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The result was speedily deleted by User:Nick under criteria A7 and G12. ( non-admin closure). " Pepper" @ 02:36, 25 December 2016 (UTC) reply

Slim Jimmy

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No citations, article written like an essay. RileyBugz Yell at me | Edits 23:46, 24 December 2016 (UTC) reply

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The result was delete. – Juliancolton |  Talk 00:28, 1 January 2017 (UTC) reply

Lil Lody

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Upon further review, the biographical information in the article is entirely uncited, all the citations are for the music. Combined with the apparent absence of notability and I think the article lacks the legs to stand on Wikipedia, so here we are. TomStar81 ( Talk) 23:44, 24 December 2016 (UTC) reply

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The result was keep. ( non-admin closure) Ya sh ! 23:42, 31 December 2016 (UTC) reply

Vector (video game)

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This article should be deleted because it is a non-notable mobile game. There are no sources currently in the article and there is very little coverage in a Google search. - KAP03 ( talk) 23:19, 24 December 2016 (UTC) reply

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The result was merge to Huawei P9. ( non-admin closure) – Davey2010 Merry Xmas / Happy New Year 18:02, 31 December 2016 (UTC) reply

Huawei P9 lite

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No references. No substantive content. Not enough information to be WP:G11, but just as useless. Robert McClenon ( talk) 23:07, 24 December 2016 (UTC) reply

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The result was redirect to Kdegames#Arcade. ( non-admin closure) Ya sh ! 22:19, 31 December 2016 (UTC) reply

Kolf (video game)

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Fails WP:NVG, as tagged since March 2009. The article was recently deprodded for having a previous prod 10 years ago. Merry Christmas and Happy New Year, GeoffreyT2000 ( talk, contribs) 22:06, 24 December 2016 (UTC) reply

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The result was merge to Dragon (Dungeons & Dragons). ( non-admin closure) – Davey2010 Merry Xmas / Happy New Year 18:03, 31 December 2016 (UTC) reply

Pseudodragon

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This fails to establish notability. TTN ( talk) 21:37, 24 December 2016 (UTC) reply

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The result was merge to List of Greyhawk characters. ( non-admin closure) – Davey2010 Merry Xmas / Happy New Year 18:04, 31 December 2016 (UTC) reply

Wind Dukes of Aaqa

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This does not establish notability. TTN ( talk) 21:36, 24 December 2016 (UTC) reply

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The result was delete. – Juliancolton |  Talk 00:29, 1 January 2017 (UTC) reply

Samantha Casey

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Casey is only noticed for being Miss Virginia USA. This in and of itself is not enough to make someone notable. The sourcing is not there to pass the general notability guidelines. I did additional sources. All the coverage I found was from publications in Virginia, and not even from the top papers in the state. a good part of it was from publications connected with the college she went to. I did find a picture of her in a bikini with a caption saying she was a contestant in the Miss USA pageant from the Orlando Sentinel, but that was not in any way substantive coverage, saying nothing about her. There is just no coverage of her beyond the Miss USA competition. John Pack Lambert ( talk) 21:21, 24 December 2016 (UTC) reply

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The result was delete. – Juliancolton |  Talk 00:30, 1 January 2017 (UTC) reply

Bongo Exclusive

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No evidence of notability. Contested PROD. Adam9007 ( talk) 20:59, 24 December 2016 (UTC) reply

I do apologize to the page creator for incorrectly stating that they removed the CSD tag. 331dot ( talk) 21:02, 24 December 2016 (UTC) reply
Well, they did, but they were before mine. Adam9007 ( talk) 21:06, 24 December 2016 (UTC) reply
(add to my comment).....on the most recent occasion today. 331dot ( talk) 21:10, 24 December 2016 (UTC) reply
I did. Still feel the same way. Please sign your posts with ~~~~ so we know you wrote them. 331dot ( talk) 22:41, 24 December 2016 (UTC) reply
It is hard for new users to successfully write an article on their very first try. Very few people are able to. If you want more time to work on it, it can be moved to Draft space or your personal Sandbox for you to work on it further and then submit it for consideration. The AFD message cannot be removed until this discussion is concluded. I would ask you if you are associated with this website in any way(do you work for them). 331dot ( talk) 23:51, 24 December 2016 (UTC) reply
I would also highly recommend that you review the notability guidelines here to understand what is considered notable for websites, as well as what reliable sources are. 331dot ( talk) 23:52, 24 December 2016 (UTC) reply
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The result was keep. After some additional sourcing, and clean up work, the valid !keep rationales indicate the article now passes our standards for notability. ( non-admin closure) Onel5969 TT me 12:35, 2 January 2017 (UTC) reply

Brandon Jenkins (singer/songwriter)

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Subject lacks significant coverage in reliable sources. Meatsgains ( talk) 20:32, 24 December 2016 (UTC) reply

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  • Keep - Added albums and sources. Not sure what you want more? [User: Sacha Kay]
You need to add WP:RS Jtbobwaysf ( talk) 05:06, 26 December 2016 (UTC) reply
Comment Sacha Kay's only edits have come as part of this topic, and they have cast five keep !votes. Four have been crossed out. KaisaL ( talk) 15:37, 28 December 2016 (UTC) reply
  • Speedy Keep - This article meets none of the requirements for speedy deletion. Needs some fleshing out, not nuking. Karunamon Talk 04:07, 25 December 2016 (UTC) reply
  • Just to be clear: external links to a "Famous Birthdays" site, and iTunes and Napster music catalogues are not reliable sources. Nothing has been added to the article that's of any use at all in meeting our minimum requirements for BLP referencing. That said, a Gnews search does indicate that there are reliable sources out there. Shawn in Montreal ( talk) 19:26, 25 December 2016 (UTC) reply
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  • Keep User has already added a !vote - Added the bandonjenkins.com website as a reference, a book (where he's describes as red dirt artist) and allmusic.com. Really. It would be nice to get some possitive feedback to tweak this page the right way. First time I had to create an entire page. Brandon Jenkins is a very well-known Texas Country / Red Dirt artist. And his Wiki-page had been taken over by a sportsman (for everywhere in the red dirt / texas country wiki pages, the Brandon Jenkins link is pointing to the sportsman, instead of the singer/songwriter). Help would be appreciated. Instead I'm now in a constant struggle against deletion. Thanks. Sacha Kay 26 December 2016 12:52
  • Delete This entry reads like a promotional blurb, and lists no sources to establish notability per our criteria of significant coverage. To be listed in Reverb Nation, Napster, All Music, i-tunes, etc. convey only existence, not significance or notability. Same thing with the subjects own website. Roughstock is an unknown source to me, but upon investigation it appears to be a site of questionable editorial oversight that solicits agencies wishing to promote their artists . (See: http://www.roughstock.com/contact-us) As for user Sacha Kay request for help, quite simply this entry needs sources that show independent, third party, objective recognition in significant number per WP:NOTABILITY guidelines . If they exist (and user Shawn in Montreal indicates that they do), please cite them, and use them (rather than promotional verbiage) to craft the content of the article. I’ll gladly change my vote with proper references and sourcing. Best wishes. ShelbyMarion ( talk) 22:42, 26 December 2016 (UTC) reply
  • I've read millions of articles on Wiki on how to create a page, including the notability page. And it's still not very clear to me. Would the book that I've found information in be notable? What else would be notable? Since here you basically say that everything I can find about Brandon Jenkins is NOT notable? Where to find notable information? Sacha Kay 12:24, 27 December 2016 (UTC) reply
  • Keep User has already added a !vote Removed all the "promotional blurb" that I found on "non-notable websites". Only left information that I found in a book, on the website of a record label and the Texas Music Chart website (wayback machine, for the chart no longer exists). Sacha Kay 14:26, 27 December 2016 (UTC) reply
  • Keep User has already added a !vote Added some more information found in The Oklahoman, No Depression (The Journal of Roots Music) and Red Dirt Nation. Sacha Kay 18:26, 27 December 2016 (UTC) reply
  • Delete Only spurious and thin references so not close to meeting the criteria. KaisaL ( talk) 22:24, 27 December 2016 (UTC) reply
  • Keep User has already added a !vote And why the heck would the references be spurious?!? It's ridiculous to insinuate that The Oklahoman, No Depression, MTV and Red Dirt Nation are unreal. Just because you don't know things, doesn't justify to call them fake. Why is everyone so opposed to get this page on a REAL and EXISTING singer-songwriter from Oklahoma and Texas validated? I can give of list of at least a 100 living person pages that aren't as referenced as this one, from people less "important" than Brandon Jenkins. I'm done with this. Really. Too bad that Wikipedia seems to have turned into this bureaucratic insanity where people who used to troll the forums now find an outlet for their frustrations. And yes. I'm sorry to sound like this (especially for the ONE person who actually did try to help me), but I'm really very disappointed. I am in no way affiliated with Brandon Jenkins, I just felt sorry for him to see that he's one of the most important singers of his genre and that the links on the Wikipedia-pages where he is mentioned are linking to some sportsman. And if this message gets me banned from editing (because I'm sure that telling the truth is somewhere in regulations too), then so be it. I'm done. [[User:Sacha_Kay|Sacha Kay] 10:01, 28 December 2016 (UTC)
  • Keep I wonder why there can be any discussion at all: an important Texan songwriter who has published several albums – so? Who would delete Guy Clark? -- Generalslocum ( talk) 11:03, 28 December 2016 (UTC) reply
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  • Keep Subject is a significant regional artist with international following, worthy of notice. Page should be candidate for Improvement not Deletion, especially since edits are not coming from subject or their promotional people. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 184.157.113.27 ( talk • contribs) 15:31, 28 December 2016 (UTC) reply
Comment This is the only edit by the above IP address. KaisaL ( talk) 15:37, 28 December 2016 (UTC) reply
  • Comment for closing admin We appear to have some cases of WP:MEAT toward the end of this AFD, old accounts coming back for the first time in a while and so on, after Sacha Kay's long comment. I believe that either canvassing or alternate accounts is the cause. Sacha Kay has also voted keep no less than five times, so I've struck out four of them. A WP:COI is highly likely. All of this should be considered as part of the close. KaisaL ( talk) 15:32, 28 December 2016 (UTC) reply
  • Keep New entry compares favorably to other existing articles in series, e.g. Stoney_LaRue. Entry is certainly more notable than the main entry for an anonymous football player. Needs improvement, but so do we all. I would note that editors' attacks on a new author smacks of Wikibullying. Reminds me why I haven't edited anything in awhile. — Preceding unsigned comment added by JC Shepard ( talk • contribs) 15:48, 28 December 2016 (UTC) reply
So you just happened to come back after 21 months to vote on an AFD by chance? The canvassing and meatpuppet usage on show actually works against establishing a consensus to keep this article, given that at one point it actually seemed relatively balanced from both sides, but now seems like not one person has suggested to keep this article for good reasons. There's a selection of poor, thin sources, and if that's all that can be found for a 20-year career then it's obvious that this musician has no notability outside of local circles. Arguments like WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS don't help, either. KaisaL ( talk) 15:54, 28 December 2016 (UTC) reply
Could you please specify which one of the sources you consider "poor and thin" @ KaisaL:? And really, just because you don't know Brandon Jenkins and you don't seem to like new editors, doesn't justify your vendetta against this article.
All of them, honestly. They're either local, blog-sized titles, or passing mentions (i.e. not substantial coverage) in other titles that still wouldn't count as reliable sources. The MTV link is the only one in a potentially reliable source, but the page is in fact an aggregation of metadata, not MTV running a feature. The biography on MTV comes from Rovi, which wouldn't confer notability. So in short, there's not one source that backs up any claim that Brandon is significant. I'll ignore the rhetoric about vendettas, given I only came back here after Sacha Kay protested on my talk page about my original comment. KaisaL ( talk) 17:11, 28 December 2016 (UTC) reply
Local (Texas, Oklahoma and Tennessee: about 30 million people living there), yes I agree. Sorry about my misinterpretation of "significance". And it's understandable that you've mistaken No Depression for a blog. It's not very known amongst people who only know highly promoted popular music. Thanks for admitting you came here on a personal vendetta after I've left you a message on your page. I appreciate that, @ KaisaL:. ( Sacha Kay ( talk) 18:13, 28 December 2016 (UTC)) reply
No_Depression_(magazine) would be considered a definitive reference on Roots music--a reliable source anyway. Then again, I've contributed to their website, and apparently user-contributed websites can't be a trusted source.( JC Shepard ( talk)
  • I would like to thank ::@ KaisaL: to let me know (me, a new editor) that it's not necessary to put "KEEP" in front of every response, I didn't know that. Thanks for striking them through and teaching me this.
  • Comment for closing admin Yes. I have put the insanity of this discussion about a legit artist on my FB page. I didn't know it was not allowed to do so. I've deleted it. I would like to point out that I do not have alternate accounts and after all this, I might just be deleting the one account that I actually do have. KaisaL seems to be on a personal vendetta of some sort. I am in no way "interested" in Brandon Jenkins. I'm just an Americana music maven (or so I've been called) who wants to see talented independant artists have their own Wikipedia page. Especially the ones who have 16 albums on their track record. Fact is, there are more people voting "KEEP" than "DELETE" and if the closing admin decides that the page should be deleted, I would like to see the motivation and reasons why this article wasn't up to regulation.
Hello, Sacha Kay , I got your messages. I am on the road working this week and don't have time to give this much thought or time. In general, though, if you can find independent, third party coverage of this subject in significant quantity it may have a hope of being saved. So far, unfortunately, what has been cited is probably not enough to qualify for an encyclopedic entry. Don't get discouraged if the article gets deleted. If the subject is indeed notable then you can spend more time finding the necessary sources that will make this page acceptable by redoing it before resubmitting. Best of luck. ShelbyMarion ( talk) 17:27, 28 December 2016 (UTC) reply
Thank you so much for your reply User:ShelbyMarion. Of course I'll get discouraged if this article gets deleted. There's a lot of information out there on his SONGS (3 million listeners to "Feet don't touch the ground" and "Finger on the trigger" on Spotify), but, as it usually goes, there's not much in the news about the writers of the songs or independant artists, for all that matters. It would be such a pity if the content on Wikipedia depends on "national third party coverage" and Brandon Jenkins is thus to be considered as non-notable and local (with 16,000 Twitter and FB followers, 16 records and almost constantly songs in the Texas music charts), only because he lives more for music than for promotion. All information in the article is verifiable by solid, established third parties (eventhough not nationally known). Isn't that the goal?( Sacha Kay ( talk) 18:13, 28 December 2016 (UTC)) reply
  • Update: Hello, I'm the editor who proposed the deletion of this article. I have edited the article and removed unreliable sources, which includes a user-generated MTV profile, and news blogs with no authority. Based on the sources listed now, this article is a borderline keep. There are coverage from the Dallas Observer, Austin Chronicle that do establish credibility towards the subject. However, I'm not sure whether it may be TOO SOON; my final decision is to keep or merge with an article pertaining to "Red Dirt Music". Scorpion293 ( talk) 22:57, 28 December 2016 (UTC) reply
I won't bang the drum too much further on this, as it's likely to be new commenters that decide the fate of this article, but the Dallas Observer, The Austin Chronicle and Lubbock Avalanche-Journal are all local or regional titles. While their reliability could be deemed more so than the average source (by virtue of having editorial oversight as newspapers), they still don't establish wider notability. This is an artist that's been around since 1994, so not only is it highly unlikely that this is a case of WP:TOOSOON, it's also very concerning that these sources are all that could be found. A musician with a 20+ year career should have more than a handful of regional newspapers to go off. Where are their Billboard album chart hits, the features in major music titles? These are the reasons that I lean toward deletion, there should be far more for a musician with this tenure of activity. KaisaL ( talk) 23:29, 28 December 2016 (UTC) reply
Thank you for what you've done to the article, User:Scorpion293 and thanks for keeping an open mind. ( Sacha Kay ( talk) 13:27, 29 December 2016 (UTC)) reply
@ KaisaL:, may I kinldy suggest deletion of all artists from 40 European countries? For those are all having a population of less than 20 million and are thus to be considered regional and local?
  • Just to satisfy User:KaisaL: I've added information from an interview by the French Association of Country Music (be aware, their website actually does look like a blog).( Sacha Kay ( talk) 13:45, 29 December 2016 (UTC)) reply
  • Keep I think that the article definitely needs help to bring it up to a better quality, but it's more to do with the fact that the article needs help vs. an issue of notability. I am going to work on the page and improve it. I wish that the approach was not quite so punitive for enthusiastic editors who need help versus what I'm seeing on this AfD. Pedagogy is the more effective method versus all of this here.... I'm not surprised, just disappointed. Another reason to not use AfD x 1 million. -- Erika aka BrillLyle ( talk) 16:26, 29 December 2016 (UTC) reply
Thanks for your input, User:BrillLyle. Nice to "hear" a kind voice. The whole creating of an article procedure made me feel like Don Quixote so far. Your message means a lot.( Sacha Kay ( talk) 16:50, 29 December 2016 (UTC)) reply
Okay I've done a significant amount of work on this article. It now has 30 citations, and quite frankly, due to the prolific nature of Jenkins' work and the heavy regional press coverage reflecting his work within the country music genre, I don't think I have really even scratched the surface on this musical artist. I would request that the tag be removed, as everything up there is good for a start article. Please advise. -- Erika aka BrillLyle ( talk) 23:56, 29 December 2016 (UTC) reply
Wow. Just wow. You've worked magic on the article! :) ( Sacha Kay ( talk) 06:34, 30 December 2016 (UTC)) reply
Thanks for your input Theroadislong. It's much appreciated. ( Sacha Kay ( talk) 21:25, 29 December 2016 (UTC)) reply
  • Keep I'm changing my delete vote from December 26th. Since then user BrillLyle has done the work necessary to cite the kinds of sources in significant numbers to create a legitimate encyclopedia entry. New editors (and editors new to WP:MUSIC) should note that the initial opposition to new articles are not to be dismissive of worthy subjects. Rather, it's to preserve the integrity of wikipedia (or what it aims to be, at least) by insisting everything adheres to our criteria for sourcing. ShelbyMarion ( talk) 14:27, 30 December 2016 (UTC) reply
Thank you, User:ShelbyMarion. I do understand the sourcing. It's just quite frustrating if people call the Dallas Observer, The Austin Chronicle, The Oklahoman and Lubbock Avalanche-Journal unreliable and unnotable sources. And even dismiss of a notable artist, only because he's not in national charts. It's really easy to just "sit here" and push the delete button, instead of trying to help create a great article about a wonderful artist. You were the exeption, you gave useful information and BrillLyle did an amazing job on re-writing the entire article and adding more information and sources. ( Sacha Kay ( talk) 14:56, 30 December 2016 (UTC)) reply
@ ShelbyMarion: Thanks. Total agreement than oftentimes it's not about notability but is more about constructing an entry that has enough content supported by good citations to be up on Wikipedia. Am hoping this AfD can be closed now. -- Erika aka BrillLyle ( talk) 19:44, 1 January 2017 (UTC) reply
@ BrillLyle: Just wondering... How will this AfD be closed? I've tried to look it up, but it says that after 7 days it will be closed, but I couldn't find "how" it will be closed. ( Sacha Kay ( talk) 20:16, 1 January 2017 (UTC)) reply
An admin will close it after weighing up the arguments using Wikipedia:Policies and guidelines it will either be keep, delete, or no consensus. Theroadislong ( talk) 20:25, 1 January 2017 (UTC) reply
  • Keep. I haven't looked back to see what earlier versions of the article looked like, but IMO it now looks pretty good. Several independent citations from newspapers etc. (including one in a book published by the University of Oklahoma Press) specifically about him, over more than a decade, make me say he passes WP:NMUSIC. (I haven't even looked at the non- WP:RS sources - never evidence of notability, but often very useful to support facts in a WP:BLP like this.) (BTW I hadn't heard of him.) Narky Blert ( talk) 20:38, 1 January 2017 (UTC) reply
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The result was no consensus. – Juliancolton |  Talk 00:32, 1 January 2017 (UTC) reply

Irene Sue Vernon

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Fails PROF (and GNG). Majority of refs on the article are primary, and the only things I can find on Google (using a variety of search terms) is variations on "said Vernon" or other one-sentence mentions. Primefac ( talk) 01:49, 9 December 2016 (UTC) reply

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I am not all that persuaded by library holdings. A book can sit on the selves for decades without being taken out. Usage would be more useful, but is not available. Xxanthippe ( talk) 00:34, 29 December 2016 (UTC). reply
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The result was delete. – Juliancolton |  Talk 00:33, 1 January 2017 (UTC) reply

The Curse and The Ugly

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Two Canadian punk rock bands from the 1970s, both lacking any strong claim to passing WP:NMUSIC and any reliable sourcing to support it — both are sourced exclusively to non-notable and unreliable fansites rather than to real media coverage, and the only actual notability claim present in either article is that The Curse were the first all-female punk band in North America if you discount the all-female punk band that came before them as "not really punk", which is absurd because anybody can claim to be the first anything if you just handwave all their predecessors away. Wikipedia is not a free publicity platform on which any band is automatically entitled to an article just because they existed, so the fact that they may have been in an under-the-radar genre that didn't garner enough media coverage does not constitute an exemption from having to source the article to media coverage — it's not our role to rectify the historical undercoverage of underground music, if we have to rely on weak sourcing to do it. If an "underappreciated" band didn't get the level of coverage in real, reliable media that NMUSIC and WP:GNG require, then they just don't get to have a Wikipedia article. It's not our job to have articles about every band that ever existed at all; it's our job to have articles about bands that are reliably sourceable as having attained notability for something. Bearcat ( talk) 18:25, 9 December 2016 (UTC) reply

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  • Comment. The book Perfect Youth: The Birth of Canadian Punk has some substantial content about The Curse [11] and about The Ugly [12]; a search for <Canadian punk "The Curse"> turns up other potential sources. On the other hand, it might be more useful for interested editors to devote some effort improving Canadian punk rock with sourced discussions. I am limited for time right now, but may have a chance to come back to this shortly.-- Arxiloxos ( talk) 03:55, 17 December 2016 (UTC) reply
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The result was no consensus.  Sandstein  21:49, 1 January 2017 (UTC) reply

Shoulda Been There, Pt. 1

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Previously deleted article nominated for speedy deletion G4. However, the new article has substantially more references than the previous incarnation so returning here for reconsideration Spinning Spark 22:28, 9 December 2016 (UTC) reply

  • Spinningspark, it's annoying how often people tag articles for G4 merely because they're about the same subject as a deleted article; thank you for bringing it here! Please see my note at closing the previous one; since it's clearly not a good article candidate, if someone wants to redirect it to the singer, I'll protect the redirect, or by now I'll protect the title itself per WP:SALT. Nyttend ( talk) 23:54, 9 December 2016 (UTC) reply
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The result was no consensus. ( No prejudice against speedy renomination per no participation herein other than from the nominator.) North America 1000 07:49, 31 December 2016 (UTC) reply

The Last Panthers (Clark album)

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Fails Wikipedia:Notability (music) I found one reference and added it, I think the reference to this album on a discography on the artists page would be sufficient. XyzSpaniel Talk Page 14:17, 9 December 2016 (UTC) reply

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The result was delete. – Juliancolton |  Talk 00:34, 1 January 2017 (UTC) reply

Thomas Abhaya

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Declined CSD. Unreferenced biography of person whose daughter's death of still the subject of an enquiry. Appears to have no separate notability. Nthep ( talk) 20:01, 24 December 2016 (UTC) reply

Sir, if it is okay, I am requesting the article stay on the site if I can find a reliable source of reference, Nthep.
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This discussion will last for a week, so you can do what you want in that time to improve the article but I really do suggest that you read the notability criteria to full understand what notable means and has already been pointed out - being the relative of someone who is notable does not make their relatives automatically notable. Nthep ( talk) 20:10, 24 December 2016 (UTC) reply

I will improve my Wiki skills. Deouble ( talk) 20:11, 24 December 2016 (UTC) reply

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The result was no consensus. Disregarding the opinion by the blocked 1Wiki8Q5G7FviTHBac3dx8HhdNYwDVstR.  Sandstein  11:34, 1 January 2017 (UTC) reply

Aiysha Saagar

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her musical career only has YouTube as references. The only other claim to notability is being ambassador for gold coast but that role has no inherent notability. LibStar ( talk) 12:05, 9 December 2016 (UTC) reply

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  • Keep A few quick google searches showed other more main stream press references to her albums and to her representing the Gold Coast, etc. The social context of a subject does not matter. There are multiple and varied secondary source references to the various subject matter of this article. The ones currently in the article are not necessarily the better references. Yes, article appears to have been written by somebody not experienced in Wikipedia, but that is not grounds for deletion. Aoziwe ( talk) 04:11, 11 December 2016 (UTC) reply
please list the actual sources you refer to. LibStar ( talk) 09:00, 11 December 2016 (UTC) reply
A very small fraction of what is available, a sample of examples. Some probably very reliable, some possibly not so reliable, and some unexpected mentions, across at least Australia, India, and the United Kingdom. All in all, multiple international secondary sources, in no particular order:
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  • Keep per all the sources above, non of which are youtube videos, clearly indicating passing WP:GNG. If India TV and the Dainik Bhaskar indicate she's a pop star, so should we. Pop stars are notable. -- Oakshade ( talk) 03:49, 22 December 2016 (UTC) reply
  • Delete as analyzing the article sources and the ones above show they are literally still only photo galleries, announcements, listings and mentions, none of that establishing actual notability in our policies, the information itself is then we bare as it could be since it's all trivial and unconvincing, none of that helps since the sourcing itself is simply so worse. Sources saying such sheer blatancy as the beautiful and hot woman" is not anywhere damningly near our notability and we would never choose that as a sole basis at all; worse if we say "but they're sources!". For God's sake, one of the sources themselves is to a dental office's URL (!!) so it's clear there's actual intentions of an article here, instead simply filling it with whatever, which is naturally only acceptable for their own website, not here. We never alone take "this or that" as "it's enough for an article" because that's not our policies. The nomination itself shows the fact she's not independently notable for anything and this is all WP:COATRACK, next is the sheer fact some of these websites we explicitly state as unacceptable in our policies, so why would we then say "But they're sources!"? If no one actually looks at these sources, they would've actually seen the damning sheerness of such blatancy as self-advertising professional photos, not actual contents. We base notability and articles by ourselves at AfD, not from what something or someone else apparently labels them, because they are not us, and we are not them. SwisterTwister talk 07:58, 22 December 2016 (UTC) reply
Cherry-picking a dental office source doesn't magically make all the other sources establishing notability disappear. -- Oakshade ( talk) 18:46, 22 December 2016 (UTC) reply
  • Keep - clearly notable due to clearly significant mentions in clearly reliable sources, clearly to be seen in this discussion already, clearly enough to base a clearly standard and clearly neutral wikipedia article by clearly competent wikipedians. User:SwisterTwister analysis is clearly cookie-cutter, clearly biased and clearly should be dismissed as such. Like, clearly! -- 1Wiki8........................... ( talk) 10:16, 22 December 2016 (UTC) reply
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  • Keep - Of the links in the article, a few of them provide proof of the subject's notability. However, of the new links added here - above - the subject is clearly a celebrity in India, although a minimal one. But is still worthy of its own article space. Scorpion293 ( talk) 20:47, 24 December 2016 (UTC) reply
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The result was delete. – Juliancolton |  Talk 00:35, 1 January 2017 (UTC) reply

Ikenna Obi

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The subject obviously fails WP:GNG. I can't find any reliable source discussing him. The article doesn't provide any tangible source either. Jamie Tubers ( talk) 09:36, 9 December 2016 (UTC) reply

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The result was delete. – Juliancolton |  Talk 00:35, 1 January 2017 (UTC) reply

Pune Plant (Tata Motors)

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Can't find much in the way of evidence this topic meets WP:GNG. Seems to receive almost no coverage in independent sources. Ajpolino ( talk) 00:53, 9 December 2016 (UTC) reply

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  • Comment Good find Oakshade! Not sure how I missed those. Per the refs Oakshade found, I think the plant likely meets GNG and I'd like to withdraw my AfD nom (though I'm not sure I can, per WP:WDAFD since someone else has supported deletion). But I think this AfD can be closed keep or withdraw. Thanks. Ajpolino ( talk) 18:06, 17 December 2016 (UTC) reply
  • Delete instead as I've been watching this and the listed links are simply company and business announcements, none of this suggests a convincing article of anything but a local plant, that's not significant enough for actual notability itself. SwisterTwister talk 00:46, 20 December 2016 (UTC) reply
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  • Delete per WP:NOPAGE and WP:NOTINHERITED. The plant itself has not received significant coverage independent of the company. The sources confirm that the plant exists, not why it is notable. In addition the sources are dealing with routine news - closure of a plant, comments by the union. None of this explains any cultural or historical significance of the plant. Also, the article itself is a bunch of WP:OR and honestly, this is eligible for a TNT. On top the that, the title isn't very precise either. -- Lemongirl942 ( talk) 04:42, 25 December 2016 (UTC) reply
  • Delete -- the article in its entirety is an unreferenced essay and is strongly promotional. This content belongs on the company's web site, not in an encyclopedia. The sources presented at this AfD are local or routine, so the notability is not there for a stand alone article to begin with. K.e.coffman ( talk) 19:15, 31 December 2016 (UTC) reply
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The result was redirect to National Highway 118 (India). By raw nosecount, delete outweighs redirect, but going with redirect as harmless, and to comply with WP:ATD. -- RoySmith (talk) 20:56, 1 January 2017 (UTC) reply

Marine Drive, Jamshedpur

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unsourced road without an indication of notability The Banner  talk 00:13, 17 December 2016 (UTC) reply

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The result was delete. – Juliancolton |  Talk 00:37, 1 January 2017 (UTC) reply

Sattva yoga

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No Sources and a long list of external links, looks like an SEO page. How did it survive this long? Jtbobwaysf ( talk) 15:03, 17 December 2016 (UTC) reply

This page also contains links that are showing up on spam reports. Wikipedia:WikiProject_Spam/LinkReports/sattvayogaacademy.com Wikipedia:WikiProject_Spam/Local/sattvayogaacademy.com Jtbobwaysf ( talk) 17:04, 26 December 2016 (UTC) reply

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The result was keep. ( non-admin closure) Ya sh ! 17:50, 31 December 2016 (UTC) reply

Jade Mills

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Listed sources still consist of nothing else but clear PR, announcements, interviews and listings, none of which establish notability and substance, even something genuine, let alone something fully acceptable; this itself was started by a vandalismfarm and my own searches find the mirrored sources, so there's no hopes of meaningful improvements here, even if someone boldly wished for them. As for the "#1" award, it seems it's a common enough occurrence that it's still too trivial and still only exists for clear PR. This itself has then not actually changed since said vandalism happened, hence not convincing either. SwisterTwister talk 17:38, 24 December 2016 (UTC) reply

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The result was speedily deleted by User:RHaworth under criterion A10. ( non-admin closure). " Pepper" @ 02:39, 25 December 2016 (UTC) reply

Doxing Techniques

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Wikipedia is not a how to guide and the article appears to be original research. reddogsix ( talk) 17:34, 24 December 2016 (UTC) reply

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The result was keep. ( non-admin closure) Ya sh ! 17:34, 31 December 2016 (UTC) reply

Cuba under Fidel Castro

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Repeats information from main Fidel Castro article without adding anything substantive. Scaleshombre ( talk) 17:32, 24 December 2016 (UTC) reply

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The result was keep. – Juliancolton |  Talk 00:42, 1 January 2017 (UTC) reply

List of The Tonight Show Starring Jimmy Fallon episodes (2017)

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This article should be deleted as it is WP:FUTURE KAP03 ( talk) 17:13, 24 December 2016 (UTC) reply

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The result was Speedy Keep as it's a White Christmas. Andrew D. ( talk) 13:29, 27 December 2016 (UTC). reply

List of time travel works of fiction

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Per Wikipedia is not a list The books mentioned in this list already have Wikipedia articles for them, so it's also redundant.Having the list in place adds no value to the articles. Therefore I move that the list (not the articles mentioned within the list) be deleted KoshVorlon 15:20, 24 December 2016 (UTC) KoshVorlon 15:20, 24 December 2016 (UTC) reply

  • Weak Keep If only this was the only list here. Actually I find this useful, as it enabled me to look up this type of fiction, and a full bibliography would not be appropriate for the main article. Can you link to the WP:NOTLIST policy please? Slatersteven ( talk) 15:28, 24 December 2016 (UTC) reply

List can be created [ [20]]. As I said, this is far too large a range of fiction to not have a list that people can go to if they want to know what is out there. Slatersteven ( talk) 16:14, 24 December 2016 (UTC) reply

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  • Sorry, why is this list not a list? It's great that everything in this list has an article on it -- that indicates that this list meets our notability guidelines for lists. I don't I think see a valid deletion rationale here. It seems to be a valid compliment to the main article and category for time travel fiction. Keep.
  • Keep Wikipedia has plenty of list articles. This one meets all the requirements for one. Nominator needs to learn the rules before wasting time with pointless nomination. Kindly withdraw your nomination so this can be closed. Dream Focus 16:50, 24 December 2016 (UTC) reply
  • Comment Dream Focus, comment on content not contributors, first of all. I've been a Wikipedian for 9 years and am well aquanited with the rules, did you not read WP:NOTDIR ? This isn't an article, it's a list pretending to be an article, it's redundant, adds no value or greater understanding to the articles linked to it, and because Wikipedia is not a directory, we have three reasons to remove this list. Kindly strike your comments. KoshVorlon 17:08, 24 December 2016 (UTC) reply
In all that time, you never saw a list article before? Use the Search button to look for "list of" and it says "Results 1 - 20 of 1,515,068". So plenty of list articles just like this one you can easily find. Everyone here disagrees with you on this issue, so kindly listen to them, and don't try this again. Dream Focus 17:52, 24 December 2016 (UTC) reply


Please keep it polite. Slatersteven ( talk) 17:55, 24 December 2016 (UTC) reply

Postdlf please comment on content , not contributor. Also please re-read my rationale, WP:NOTDIR is only ONE of Three reasons I'm proposing deletion. KoshVorlon 20:37, 24 December 2016 (UTC) reply

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The result was delete. – Juliancolton |  Talk 00:43, 1 January 2017 (UTC) reply

Yousran International

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No demonstrated notability; reference is poor; article has not progressed and is well below expected quality. — billinghurst sDrewth 13:48, 24 December 2016 (UTC) reply

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The result was Speedy deleted A7. Peridon ( talk) 20:04, 24 December 2016 (UTC) reply

Josh Levenson

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Per WP:3RR here we are author fails to properly contest the csd Necrosis Buddha 13:27, 24 December 2016 (UTC) reply

  • I do agree with you. I already said it is a speedy deletion material. New users are not always aware of the guidelines at Wikipedia, sometimes they need more than level 1 warning to know the guidelines and the consequences of breaching them. Hitro talk 13:50, 24 December 2016 (UTC) reply
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The result was redirect to Hat Films. – Juliancolton |  Talk 00:44, 1 January 2017 (UTC) reply

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No WP:NOTABLE sources whatsoever online. Therefore, it fails WP:NMUSIC, which requires: "multiple, non-trivial, published works appearing in sources that are reliable, not self-published, and are independent of the musician or ensemble itself.' Moreover, the overriding WP:GNG is failed too by the lack of sources. TheMagikCow ( talk) 13:10, 24 December 2016 (UTC) reply

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The result was speedy deleted by BD2412 as a blatant hoax. ( non-admin closure) Merry Christmas and Happy New Year, GeoffreyT2000 ( talk, contribs) 19:54, 24 December 2016 (UTC) reply

PK (2017 film)

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This article is poorly written and completely unsourced. It claims to be about a 2017 film (what?) then gives a release date of 2015. It has the same name as PK (film) but claims to be the sequel (?) although nothing can be found on google to suggest a sequel actually exists. Laurdecl talk 12:00, 24 December 2016 (UTC) reply

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The result was redirect to Greeting card#Types of greeting cards. ( non-admin closure) Ya sh ! 12:10, 31 December 2016 (UTC) reply

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Pointless page based on someone's personal view. Not encyclopaedic, and not likely to be. Emeraude ( talk) 11:52, 24 December 2016 (UTC) reply

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The result was delete. – Juliancolton |  Talk 00:45, 1 January 2017 (UTC) reply

Aparshakti Khurrana

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Disc jockey. Fails WP:BIO. Single ref. No acting experience. Nothing notable. scope_creep ( talk) 11:26, 24 December 2016 (UTC) reply

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The result was delete. Not a snowball's chance of another outcome. Not mentioned in The Yogscast. czar 18:54, 28 December 2016 (UTC) reply

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Fails WP:GNG. Topic lacks significant coverage from reliable secondary sources. Every source used on the article is either unreliable (other wikis, reddit posts) or a primary source (YouTube channel of the person who created this fictional company). The1337gamer ( talk) 09:48, 24 December 2016 (UTC) reply

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The result was delete.  Sandstein  11:32, 1 January 2017 (UTC) reply

TiDB

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I PRODed it without realisng it is a recreation of a speedied page. I am at a loss to know what to do with it but I'm pretty sure it's not notable. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง ( talk) 09:53, 1 December 2016 (UTC) reply

Thanks Kudpung! TiDB has been reported online in many Chinese online meida because it's developed by Chinese engineers. Is it okay for me to cite a Chinese website link? Or Can I use the following two links:
https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=10180503 https://www.percona.com/live/plam16/sessions/how-we-build-tidb
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Sorry I missed the earlier note. Could you please share your comments on my question below? Thanks! TiDB has been reported online in many Chinese online meida because it's developed by Chinese engineers. Is it okay for me to cite a Chinese website link? Or Can I use the following two links:
https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=10180503 https://www.percona.com/live/plam16/sessions/how-we-build-tidb

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Relisting comment: I hate to relist this a third time but it does need an assessment from uninvolved editors. Since it's been deleted and recreated [numerous times], a WP:SOFTDELETE won't cut it here. Mkdw talk 07:39, 24 December 2016 (UTC) reply
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  • Delete: Two of the references in the article pertain to NewSQL, preceding and not mentioning this particular product. The remainder are a mix of online postings and presentation materials from primary sources. None of these satisfy the requirements. (In answer to the query above, there would not be a problem with Chinese language sources, but they would need to be reliable 3rd party sources.) Clearly this is a developing product but it looks at best WP:TOOSOON to demonstrate achieved encyclopaedic notability. The product is mentioned on the NewSQL page which is sufficient (even then, preferably supported by a reliable 3rd party source). AllyD ( talk) 12:49, 24 December 2016 (UTC) reply
  • Delete: I agree with AllyD's assessment.-- greenrd ( talk) 23:29, 29 December 2016 (UTC) reply
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The result was delete. Jo-Jo Eumerus ( talk, contributions) 09:14, 1 January 2017 (UTC) reply

Diamond Fall, Funny Diet, Master of Dwarves, Rifle Range and Treasure Mines

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Inadequately sourced; not really one article but four. Admits that information on the games is lacking, which is a statement of non-notability in the article itself. Robert McClenon ( talk) 04:16, 24 December 2016 (UTC) reply

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The result was speedy delete per WP:G7. Boing! said Zebedee ( talk) 10:10, 25 December 2016 (UTC) reply

Baek Shin-ji

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Does not meet WP:ACTOR. CSD got declined, but a proper look at the series listed out show that only the first series is legit (and her role was so minor it wasn't included in the series' page). The rest are links to a 1952 Swedish film, a disambiguation page, a series that started airing in 2016 but is listed as 2019 here, a manhwa with no announced TV series and a page on Scottish nobility. Frankly it just stinks of a hoax from an overimaginative fan. SorryNotSorry ✽ ✉ 02:31, 24 December 2016 (UTC) reply

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The result was procedural close. Wrong forum; please go to WP:MFD instead. ( non-admin closure) JudgeRM (talk to me) 02:34, 24 December 2016 (UTC) reply

User talk:75.22.38.30

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Spam --Brynda1231 [ Talk Page] [ Contribs] 02:16, 24 December 2016 (UTC) reply

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The result was delete. Single-purpose accounts disregarded.  Sandstein  14:48, 2 January 2017 (UTC) reply

Lifoti

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My WP:CSD tag was reverted on the grounds that this new magazine, launched in November 2016, was produced by a notable person. As notability is not WP:NOTINHERETED, and there seems to be no evidence of secondary sources supporting notability, but much suggesting WP:PROMOTION, using links to free, self-published press release websites, it is perhaps appropriate to propose this article for wider discussion under WP:AfD than speedy deletion. Parkywiki ( talk) 02:00, 24 December 2016 (UTC) reply

Hi User talk:Jerrysoko, just wanted to briefly mention that having a book on sale on Amazon does not mean the book is worthy of its own article space. There needs to be news coverage from independent reliable sources. If you can find any please add them in the references, otherwise, this article should be deleted. - Scorpion293 | talk 04:57, 28 December 2016 (UTC) reply
  • Delete. WP:TOOSOON. Some press-releases and links to the magazine are trivial. How a listing on Amazon makes this "inherently notable" is beyond me. -- Randykitty ( talk) 16:35, 24 December 2016 (UTC) reply
  • Strong Delete - No sign of notability. Press releases are not reliable sources, neither are none of the references presented in this article. Also, this user - Jerrysoko - is potentially tied to the creator of this article and his comment should not be taken into consideration. One word: Speedy Deletion. - Scorpion293 | talk 21:10, 24 December 2016 (UTC) reply
  • Merge into KJIVA. This is certainly not notable yet. Anything salvageable can go in the article about its founder. Adam9007 ( talk) 21:19, 24 December 2016 (UTC) reply
  • Strong Keep- printed version of this magazine distributed globally check this ISBN  978-1540718716 having validate proof of selling on various shopping site & produced by a notable person so no chances of WP:AfD and i think user Scorpion293, Parkywiki are personally against this user — Jerrysoko might be hurt Rockwalla39 ( talk) 08:59, 25 December 2016 (UTC) — Rockwalla39 ( talk • contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic. reply
Comment This userpage User:Rockwalla39 is being considered for deletion for copying and pasting an admins banstars in order to deceive and disrupt AfD process. More here: /info/en/?search=Wikipedia:Miscellany_for_deletion/User:Rockwalla39 Scorpion293 ( talk) 05:37, 28 December 2016 (UTC) reply
Response That's a strong accusation, Rockwalla39 - just check my edit history and you'll see I arrived here purely because I was using WP:AWB to typo fix new articles. When I do that I check quickly to see if an article appears to have any merit - and this one does not. I have no interest whatsoever in the user you mentioned (do you?), but I am keen to avoid Wikipedia being used as a medium to promote non-notable content. It was that that reason I proposed WP:CSD, and that alone. I hadn't until today even checked the article creator's contribution history, which can oftentimes be quite telling. Merry Christmas Parkywiki ( talk) 12:42, 25 December 2016 (UTC) reply
Response Sorry for accusation — Parkywiki hope u take it lightly, thank you for your best wishes & have a happy Christmas, same apologize to Scorpion293 hope u also understood — Rockwalla39 ( talk) 16:38, 25 December 2016 (UTC) reply
No worries - thanks for that. Parkywiki ( talk) 15:29, 26 December 2016 (UTC) reply
Response User:Rockwalla39 Please don't accuse me of being against any user. What I am against is spam and articles with no reliable sources. This article has no evidence of impact in journalism or awards won, which is needed for a news publication like a magazine. The fact that the magazine was distributed does not mean anything. Where are the news articles from Forbes, XXL, MTV, Billboard, The Guardian, New York Times, or other reliable sources like books, academic journals..etc., talking about this music magazine in-depth? In my opinion, this article should potentially be 'merged with the KJIVA. Although, however, I will need to investigate that article too as I don't see any reliable independent sources. - Scorpion293 | talk 20:00, 25 December 2016 (UTC) reply
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  • Update It appears that this article, along with KJIVA, Me_n_Mah_Beat, and his apparent record label United_Naxal_Records have NO reliable independent sources at all, not one. There is nothing but "free press release" articles, iTunes & Amazon store links, and user-generated music profiles. As to how these articles got approved: I don't know. But it looks like this user has been spamming Wikipedia with hoax articles. Not one reliable source exists for this musician, and in addition, none exists with a simple Google search either. Here's an example; in this article, in the first paragraph, the following was written about the magazine: "It debuted in November 2016 with Peter Tosh on the cover..." Tosh died in 1987, so how did he make the cover? This is just one example of many that I found in articles about the subject, made to deceive editors into thinking his magazine is "notable". I think it's safe to say that this guy has duped Wikipedia editors. In my opinion, the user who created these articles, as the subject too, should be blacklisted from Wiki. I have added these articles in the "articles for deletion" section, and will continue looking for more, if any exists. - Scorpion293 | talk 23:58, 26 December 2016 (UTC) reply
Response: User:Scorpion293 this user is exploiting wikipedia policy he has added WP:AfD manually on various articles without tool & proper reason. This user don't know much more about Wikipedia:Notability_(music) page KJIVA is categories under WP:COMPOSER which is non performing personnel. secondly he is writer so don't consider it as only musician. I think this user - User:Scorpion293 is against this artist or may be his hater so he done same processes for his another pages like Murder: The Gangster Rhymes, United Naxal Records, Me n Mah Beat. This has manually remove important citation links from page and add WP:AfD over it without proper explanation. Again this user is fool in field of magazine by saying peter tosh is dead & how should he appear on cover in 2016. note for User:Scorpion293 tupac shakur died in 1996 but still he appear on various magazine covers check issue of xxl magazine 2011. Before posting to some thing be sured what you post. I think this user is spam to do WP:AfD on various articles check this user contribution & banned. so i request block this user permanently. Ligard39 ( Talk2Me| Contribs) 07:46, 27 December 2016 (UTC) reply
Comment: User:ATS Please help us with this user who is hoaxing Wikipedia. Can you identify any reliable sources? Thanks. - Scorpion293 | talk 00:40, 27 December 2016 (UTC) reply
Response:hey Coolabahapple you are putting accusation on me just because i am contributing wikipedia about KJIVA. I found this article stub thats why i am edited it because i have the knowledge of Marathi people & their culture. Another issue i have use this picture just because search KJIVA on wikicommons and i get that result. Thats no mean i have relation with any user. If i contributed wikipedia about any articles which i have knowledge and u think its relationship with me then from next time i will never contribute to wikipedia. Jerrysoko ( talk) 17:57, 27 December 2016 (UTC) reply
Hi Jerrysoko, thank you for your reassurances, i meant no offense and hope you continue to contribute. Coolabahapple ( talk) 03:07, 28 December 2016 (UTC) reply
  • Comment: Please note that Kjiva was deleted and salted after an AfD only a few months ago. I put this remark here, because the AFD for KJIVA (and several related articles]] does not seem to have been created and transcluded correctly. -- Randykitty ( talk) 18:43, 27 December 2016 (UTC) reply
  • Comment Someone created a Kjiva article before and it was deleted twice due to no reliable sources, not one. It appears that someone created it again with no sources. I think the subject should be blacklisted from Wikipedia, as someone is clearly creating an article about this subject, which clearly has no news coverage or reliable sources. Hi User:David_Eppstein, you deleted the following article Kjiva, is this the same subject? - Scorpion293 | talk 04:48, 28 December 2016 (UTC) reply
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The result was delete. North America 1000 04:16, 1 January 2017 (UTC) reply

Decomposing Pictures Cinematic Universe

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Fails WP:COMPANY; minimal coverage from secondary sources. Article created by staff member. Blackguard 01:56, 24 December 2016 (UTC) reply

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The result was keep.  Sandstein  13:26, 1 January 2017 (UTC) reply

Jon Hirschtick

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Simply nothing for actual independent notability and substance and it's enough to suggest paid advertising for this article, the company positions and achievements are not convincing as to automatically inherit him notability, the sources are not equally convincing either, thus this should not have been accepted at all. There is nothing that can suggest otherwise if we consider policies WP:SPAM and WP:NOT. SwisterTwister talk 17:30, 25 November 2016 (UTC) reply

Every single one of those sources are not inheriting automatic notability for an article from anything or anyone else, especially if they simply consist of actual interviews, company quotes, republished company or businesspeople information, or that it was by a hired freelance journalist instead of staff (this is a case specifically for Forbes, which is notorious for it); also, there's policies in place for articles such as these, WP:SPAM and WP:NOT. SwisterTwister talk 07:16, 30 November 2016 (UTC) reply
Thank you very much for this clarification, and thank you for your time! Am I right that books containing chapters about Hirschtick is a sign of his notability? For instance, in the books "Entrepreneurship: Successfully Launching New Ventures" and "The Portable MBA in Entrepreneurship Case Studies" there are chapters about him. Ilya.lichman ( talk) 05:50, 1 December 2016 (UTC) reply
Being "royalty" is by all means vague and is not an instant inheritable for notability here, especially when policy is involved. This comment above has no policy-based comment, unlike WP:NOT which is. SwisterTwister talk 04:24, 25 December 2016 (UTC) reply
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  • Comment There is an article about Hirschtick in the Wall Street Journal - In Cards or Business, Act on the Advantage. In the article Hirsctick said, how he learned about card counting while a student at MIT, and also he described the business lessons he drew from his time playing cards. May be blackjack is not serious enough topic, but it seems that an article in Wall Street Journal about Jon Hirschtick is serious enough sign of his notability. Ilya.lichman ( talk) 13:04, 9 December 2016 (UTC) reply
How is this a policy-based comment? See WP:PERX. SwisterTwister talk 04:24, 25 December 2016 (UTC) reply
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  • Keep the claim of notability is quite strong as creator of two CAD software breakthroughs, funded by the $1 million he made as part of the MIT blackjack team, all backed up by reliable and verifiable sources. Alansohn ( talk) 03:46, 25 December 2016 (UTC) reply
There's not automatic inherited notability from the fact he founded software, we could then accept any other article with the sole basis of "he founded multiple sofwares" but our policies explicit state against this, and with good meaning. Also, the fact he was funded by an MIT team is also not automatically inheriting him notability. Unlike anyone else, I would actually say we have paid advertising contributions here because of the fact of not one SPA, but two now by the fact a second user has now started, and we've established as it is this can only mean advertising-involved, certainly not "coincidentally active users with the same one article". Simply look at each source, it's about the software itself (Fortune: Funding support, WSJ: Mere mention, Forbes: By a "special contributing journalist" (which basically means he was a freelance journalist, a job that is easily bought by companies for PR). When an article then has to end with simple sourcing (see #15-28) as mentions, it shows the sheer attempts at coatracking and overbloating the article with anything to make it seem "genuinely substantial", when it's not, and policies explicitly state this. When we ignore policies against advertising, we have no hopes for an encyclopedia. SwisterTwister talk 04:24, 25 December 2016 (UTC) reply
Hirschtick didn't "inherit" anything from the software he created; he is notable because he created the software, as he is for his involvement in the MIT blackjack team. That one funded the creation of the other only adds to the claim. When we have single editors turning themselves into judge, jury and executioner, shouting and screaming increasingly bizarre and irrational conspiracy theories to claim that any and all sources are "advertising", regardless of the source, we have no hopes for an encyclopedia. Alansohn ( talk) 04:37, 25 December 2016 (UTC) reply
Dear SwisterTwister, thank you for the explanation "but two now by the fact a second user has now started, and we've established as it is this can only mean advertising-involved, certainly not "coincidentally active users with the same one article""! Now I can understand better how it looks from you point of view. I hope it will be pertinently if I try to explain. I am a programmer in CAD/CAM company, and also I am a lecturer in a university ("Introduction to CAD/CAM/CAE" for students of 5th grade). Half of a year ago I found that there are no any articles in Wikipedia about new system Onshape and about Jon Hirschtick who created Solidworks and Onshape. I was very surprised, so I decided to create both these articles. One month ago I found that the first article was created, and that it was temporary in the list of Articles for deletion. So I started creation of the second one article via Articles for creation (to avoid mistakes of beginners). It was accepted, and two hours later you put it into the list of Articles for deletion. I absolutely agree with you that my text is not perfect, that sources must be improved. And now I can see why do you think that my article looks like a spam. But on my talk page you can see that I asked the author of the Onshape article to share his expirience about all these deletion things. And it seems that only after it he decided to rewrite part of my text. I hate spam too. But I am interesed in CAD/CAM/CAE/PLM, so I am trying to improve Wikipedia in these areas. Ilya.lichman ( talk) 12:32, 29 December 2016 (UTC) reply
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The result was delete. North America 1000 04:20, 1 January 2017 (UTC) reply

Brandon Schmidt (ice hockey)

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With no references and no text (and a malformed infobox), does not establish ice hockey notability. Robert McClenon ( talk) 00:59, 24 December 2016 (UTC) reply

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The result was delete. There was a reasonable-sounding proposal to merge all of these into higher-level aggregation articles which span years, but that didn't attract any support, so going with the straight delete. -- RoySmith (talk) 14:59, 1 January 2017 (UTC) reply

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Nations at the xxx pages are usually reserved for events with multiple sports or disciplines. This one focuses on just one sport. Also quoting Peter Rehse, from another similar AFD [21], "they are all a rehash of a single source. National results for events that are borderline notable themselves. Even there there is nothing demonstrating that [the country] performed anywhere near notable." Sportsfan 1234 ( talk) 00:55, 24 December 2016 (UTC) reply

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Indeed they don't. However, every merge requires an extra amount of work. The real question is: should those articles exist? I don't see why not, given that the content is there already. GregorB ( talk) 15:56, 29 December 2016 (UTC) reply
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The result was Speedy Deleted (G12) by Boing! said Zebedee . ( non-admin closure) – Davey2010 Merry Xmas / Happy New Year 13:26, 24 December 2016 (UTC) reply

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Course notes inadvertantly put into the encyclopedia. Unlikely search topic as article title, essay or lecture notes tone would have to be completely rewritten, by which time it would be a real article with a sensible title. Wtshymanski ( talk) 02:36, 24 December 2016 (UTC) reply

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The result was speedily deleted by User:Nick under criteria A7 and G12. ( non-admin closure). " Pepper" @ 02:36, 25 December 2016 (UTC) reply

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No citations, article written like an essay. RileyBugz Yell at me | Edits 23:46, 24 December 2016 (UTC) reply

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The result was delete. – Juliancolton |  Talk 00:28, 1 January 2017 (UTC) reply

Lil Lody

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Upon further review, the biographical information in the article is entirely uncited, all the citations are for the music. Combined with the apparent absence of notability and I think the article lacks the legs to stand on Wikipedia, so here we are. TomStar81 ( Talk) 23:44, 24 December 2016 (UTC) reply

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The result was keep. ( non-admin closure) Ya sh ! 23:42, 31 December 2016 (UTC) reply

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This article should be deleted because it is a non-notable mobile game. There are no sources currently in the article and there is very little coverage in a Google search. - KAP03 ( talk) 23:19, 24 December 2016 (UTC) reply

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The result was merge to Huawei P9. ( non-admin closure) – Davey2010 Merry Xmas / Happy New Year 18:02, 31 December 2016 (UTC) reply

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No references. No substantive content. Not enough information to be WP:G11, but just as useless. Robert McClenon ( talk) 23:07, 24 December 2016 (UTC) reply

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The result was redirect to Kdegames#Arcade. ( non-admin closure) Ya sh ! 22:19, 31 December 2016 (UTC) reply

Kolf (video game)

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Fails WP:NVG, as tagged since March 2009. The article was recently deprodded for having a previous prod 10 years ago. Merry Christmas and Happy New Year, GeoffreyT2000 ( talk, contribs) 22:06, 24 December 2016 (UTC) reply

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The result was merge to Dragon (Dungeons & Dragons). ( non-admin closure) – Davey2010 Merry Xmas / Happy New Year 18:03, 31 December 2016 (UTC) reply

Pseudodragon

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This fails to establish notability. TTN ( talk) 21:37, 24 December 2016 (UTC) reply

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The result was merge to List of Greyhawk characters. ( non-admin closure) – Davey2010 Merry Xmas / Happy New Year 18:04, 31 December 2016 (UTC) reply

Wind Dukes of Aaqa

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This does not establish notability. TTN ( talk) 21:36, 24 December 2016 (UTC) reply

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The result was delete. – Juliancolton |  Talk 00:29, 1 January 2017 (UTC) reply

Samantha Casey

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Casey is only noticed for being Miss Virginia USA. This in and of itself is not enough to make someone notable. The sourcing is not there to pass the general notability guidelines. I did additional sources. All the coverage I found was from publications in Virginia, and not even from the top papers in the state. a good part of it was from publications connected with the college she went to. I did find a picture of her in a bikini with a caption saying she was a contestant in the Miss USA pageant from the Orlando Sentinel, but that was not in any way substantive coverage, saying nothing about her. There is just no coverage of her beyond the Miss USA competition. John Pack Lambert ( talk) 21:21, 24 December 2016 (UTC) reply

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The result was delete. – Juliancolton |  Talk 00:30, 1 January 2017 (UTC) reply

Bongo Exclusive

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No evidence of notability. Contested PROD. Adam9007 ( talk) 20:59, 24 December 2016 (UTC) reply

I do apologize to the page creator for incorrectly stating that they removed the CSD tag. 331dot ( talk) 21:02, 24 December 2016 (UTC) reply
Well, they did, but they were before mine. Adam9007 ( talk) 21:06, 24 December 2016 (UTC) reply
(add to my comment).....on the most recent occasion today. 331dot ( talk) 21:10, 24 December 2016 (UTC) reply
I did. Still feel the same way. Please sign your posts with ~~~~ so we know you wrote them. 331dot ( talk) 22:41, 24 December 2016 (UTC) reply
It is hard for new users to successfully write an article on their very first try. Very few people are able to. If you want more time to work on it, it can be moved to Draft space or your personal Sandbox for you to work on it further and then submit it for consideration. The AFD message cannot be removed until this discussion is concluded. I would ask you if you are associated with this website in any way(do you work for them). 331dot ( talk) 23:51, 24 December 2016 (UTC) reply
I would also highly recommend that you review the notability guidelines here to understand what is considered notable for websites, as well as what reliable sources are. 331dot ( talk) 23:52, 24 December 2016 (UTC) reply
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The result was keep. After some additional sourcing, and clean up work, the valid !keep rationales indicate the article now passes our standards for notability. ( non-admin closure) Onel5969 TT me 12:35, 2 January 2017 (UTC) reply

Brandon Jenkins (singer/songwriter)

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Subject lacks significant coverage in reliable sources. Meatsgains ( talk) 20:32, 24 December 2016 (UTC) reply

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  • Keep - Added albums and sources. Not sure what you want more? [User: Sacha Kay]
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Comment Sacha Kay's only edits have come as part of this topic, and they have cast five keep !votes. Four have been crossed out. KaisaL ( talk) 15:37, 28 December 2016 (UTC) reply
  • Speedy Keep - This article meets none of the requirements for speedy deletion. Needs some fleshing out, not nuking. Karunamon Talk 04:07, 25 December 2016 (UTC) reply
  • Just to be clear: external links to a "Famous Birthdays" site, and iTunes and Napster music catalogues are not reliable sources. Nothing has been added to the article that's of any use at all in meeting our minimum requirements for BLP referencing. That said, a Gnews search does indicate that there are reliable sources out there. Shawn in Montreal ( talk) 19:26, 25 December 2016 (UTC) reply
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  • Keep User has already added a !vote - Added the bandonjenkins.com website as a reference, a book (where he's describes as red dirt artist) and allmusic.com. Really. It would be nice to get some possitive feedback to tweak this page the right way. First time I had to create an entire page. Brandon Jenkins is a very well-known Texas Country / Red Dirt artist. And his Wiki-page had been taken over by a sportsman (for everywhere in the red dirt / texas country wiki pages, the Brandon Jenkins link is pointing to the sportsman, instead of the singer/songwriter). Help would be appreciated. Instead I'm now in a constant struggle against deletion. Thanks. Sacha Kay 26 December 2016 12:52
  • Delete This entry reads like a promotional blurb, and lists no sources to establish notability per our criteria of significant coverage. To be listed in Reverb Nation, Napster, All Music, i-tunes, etc. convey only existence, not significance or notability. Same thing with the subjects own website. Roughstock is an unknown source to me, but upon investigation it appears to be a site of questionable editorial oversight that solicits agencies wishing to promote their artists . (See: http://www.roughstock.com/contact-us) As for user Sacha Kay request for help, quite simply this entry needs sources that show independent, third party, objective recognition in significant number per WP:NOTABILITY guidelines . If they exist (and user Shawn in Montreal indicates that they do), please cite them, and use them (rather than promotional verbiage) to craft the content of the article. I’ll gladly change my vote with proper references and sourcing. Best wishes. ShelbyMarion ( talk) 22:42, 26 December 2016 (UTC) reply
  • I've read millions of articles on Wiki on how to create a page, including the notability page. And it's still not very clear to me. Would the book that I've found information in be notable? What else would be notable? Since here you basically say that everything I can find about Brandon Jenkins is NOT notable? Where to find notable information? Sacha Kay 12:24, 27 December 2016 (UTC) reply
  • Keep User has already added a !vote Removed all the "promotional blurb" that I found on "non-notable websites". Only left information that I found in a book, on the website of a record label and the Texas Music Chart website (wayback machine, for the chart no longer exists). Sacha Kay 14:26, 27 December 2016 (UTC) reply
  • Keep User has already added a !vote Added some more information found in The Oklahoman, No Depression (The Journal of Roots Music) and Red Dirt Nation. Sacha Kay 18:26, 27 December 2016 (UTC) reply
  • Delete Only spurious and thin references so not close to meeting the criteria. KaisaL ( talk) 22:24, 27 December 2016 (UTC) reply
  • Keep User has already added a !vote And why the heck would the references be spurious?!? It's ridiculous to insinuate that The Oklahoman, No Depression, MTV and Red Dirt Nation are unreal. Just because you don't know things, doesn't justify to call them fake. Why is everyone so opposed to get this page on a REAL and EXISTING singer-songwriter from Oklahoma and Texas validated? I can give of list of at least a 100 living person pages that aren't as referenced as this one, from people less "important" than Brandon Jenkins. I'm done with this. Really. Too bad that Wikipedia seems to have turned into this bureaucratic insanity where people who used to troll the forums now find an outlet for their frustrations. And yes. I'm sorry to sound like this (especially for the ONE person who actually did try to help me), but I'm really very disappointed. I am in no way affiliated with Brandon Jenkins, I just felt sorry for him to see that he's one of the most important singers of his genre and that the links on the Wikipedia-pages where he is mentioned are linking to some sportsman. And if this message gets me banned from editing (because I'm sure that telling the truth is somewhere in regulations too), then so be it. I'm done. [[User:Sacha_Kay|Sacha Kay] 10:01, 28 December 2016 (UTC)
  • Keep I wonder why there can be any discussion at all: an important Texan songwriter who has published several albums – so? Who would delete Guy Clark? -- Generalslocum ( talk) 11:03, 28 December 2016 (UTC) reply
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  • Keep Subject is a significant regional artist with international following, worthy of notice. Page should be candidate for Improvement not Deletion, especially since edits are not coming from subject or their promotional people. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 184.157.113.27 ( talk • contribs) 15:31, 28 December 2016 (UTC) reply
Comment This is the only edit by the above IP address. KaisaL ( talk) 15:37, 28 December 2016 (UTC) reply
  • Comment for closing admin We appear to have some cases of WP:MEAT toward the end of this AFD, old accounts coming back for the first time in a while and so on, after Sacha Kay's long comment. I believe that either canvassing or alternate accounts is the cause. Sacha Kay has also voted keep no less than five times, so I've struck out four of them. A WP:COI is highly likely. All of this should be considered as part of the close. KaisaL ( talk) 15:32, 28 December 2016 (UTC) reply
  • Keep New entry compares favorably to other existing articles in series, e.g. Stoney_LaRue. Entry is certainly more notable than the main entry for an anonymous football player. Needs improvement, but so do we all. I would note that editors' attacks on a new author smacks of Wikibullying. Reminds me why I haven't edited anything in awhile. — Preceding unsigned comment added by JC Shepard ( talk • contribs) 15:48, 28 December 2016 (UTC) reply
So you just happened to come back after 21 months to vote on an AFD by chance? The canvassing and meatpuppet usage on show actually works against establishing a consensus to keep this article, given that at one point it actually seemed relatively balanced from both sides, but now seems like not one person has suggested to keep this article for good reasons. There's a selection of poor, thin sources, and if that's all that can be found for a 20-year career then it's obvious that this musician has no notability outside of local circles. Arguments like WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS don't help, either. KaisaL ( talk) 15:54, 28 December 2016 (UTC) reply
Could you please specify which one of the sources you consider "poor and thin" @ KaisaL:? And really, just because you don't know Brandon Jenkins and you don't seem to like new editors, doesn't justify your vendetta against this article.
All of them, honestly. They're either local, blog-sized titles, or passing mentions (i.e. not substantial coverage) in other titles that still wouldn't count as reliable sources. The MTV link is the only one in a potentially reliable source, but the page is in fact an aggregation of metadata, not MTV running a feature. The biography on MTV comes from Rovi, which wouldn't confer notability. So in short, there's not one source that backs up any claim that Brandon is significant. I'll ignore the rhetoric about vendettas, given I only came back here after Sacha Kay protested on my talk page about my original comment. KaisaL ( talk) 17:11, 28 December 2016 (UTC) reply
Local (Texas, Oklahoma and Tennessee: about 30 million people living there), yes I agree. Sorry about my misinterpretation of "significance". And it's understandable that you've mistaken No Depression for a blog. It's not very known amongst people who only know highly promoted popular music. Thanks for admitting you came here on a personal vendetta after I've left you a message on your page. I appreciate that, @ KaisaL:. ( Sacha Kay ( talk) 18:13, 28 December 2016 (UTC)) reply
No_Depression_(magazine) would be considered a definitive reference on Roots music--a reliable source anyway. Then again, I've contributed to their website, and apparently user-contributed websites can't be a trusted source.( JC Shepard ( talk)
  • I would like to thank ::@ KaisaL: to let me know (me, a new editor) that it's not necessary to put "KEEP" in front of every response, I didn't know that. Thanks for striking them through and teaching me this.
  • Comment for closing admin Yes. I have put the insanity of this discussion about a legit artist on my FB page. I didn't know it was not allowed to do so. I've deleted it. I would like to point out that I do not have alternate accounts and after all this, I might just be deleting the one account that I actually do have. KaisaL seems to be on a personal vendetta of some sort. I am in no way "interested" in Brandon Jenkins. I'm just an Americana music maven (or so I've been called) who wants to see talented independant artists have their own Wikipedia page. Especially the ones who have 16 albums on their track record. Fact is, there are more people voting "KEEP" than "DELETE" and if the closing admin decides that the page should be deleted, I would like to see the motivation and reasons why this article wasn't up to regulation.
Hello, Sacha Kay , I got your messages. I am on the road working this week and don't have time to give this much thought or time. In general, though, if you can find independent, third party coverage of this subject in significant quantity it may have a hope of being saved. So far, unfortunately, what has been cited is probably not enough to qualify for an encyclopedic entry. Don't get discouraged if the article gets deleted. If the subject is indeed notable then you can spend more time finding the necessary sources that will make this page acceptable by redoing it before resubmitting. Best of luck. ShelbyMarion ( talk) 17:27, 28 December 2016 (UTC) reply
Thank you so much for your reply User:ShelbyMarion. Of course I'll get discouraged if this article gets deleted. There's a lot of information out there on his SONGS (3 million listeners to "Feet don't touch the ground" and "Finger on the trigger" on Spotify), but, as it usually goes, there's not much in the news about the writers of the songs or independant artists, for all that matters. It would be such a pity if the content on Wikipedia depends on "national third party coverage" and Brandon Jenkins is thus to be considered as non-notable and local (with 16,000 Twitter and FB followers, 16 records and almost constantly songs in the Texas music charts), only because he lives more for music than for promotion. All information in the article is verifiable by solid, established third parties (eventhough not nationally known). Isn't that the goal?( Sacha Kay ( talk) 18:13, 28 December 2016 (UTC)) reply
  • Update: Hello, I'm the editor who proposed the deletion of this article. I have edited the article and removed unreliable sources, which includes a user-generated MTV profile, and news blogs with no authority. Based on the sources listed now, this article is a borderline keep. There are coverage from the Dallas Observer, Austin Chronicle that do establish credibility towards the subject. However, I'm not sure whether it may be TOO SOON; my final decision is to keep or merge with an article pertaining to "Red Dirt Music". Scorpion293 ( talk) 22:57, 28 December 2016 (UTC) reply
I won't bang the drum too much further on this, as it's likely to be new commenters that decide the fate of this article, but the Dallas Observer, The Austin Chronicle and Lubbock Avalanche-Journal are all local or regional titles. While their reliability could be deemed more so than the average source (by virtue of having editorial oversight as newspapers), they still don't establish wider notability. This is an artist that's been around since 1994, so not only is it highly unlikely that this is a case of WP:TOOSOON, it's also very concerning that these sources are all that could be found. A musician with a 20+ year career should have more than a handful of regional newspapers to go off. Where are their Billboard album chart hits, the features in major music titles? These are the reasons that I lean toward deletion, there should be far more for a musician with this tenure of activity. KaisaL ( talk) 23:29, 28 December 2016 (UTC) reply
Thank you for what you've done to the article, User:Scorpion293 and thanks for keeping an open mind. ( Sacha Kay ( talk) 13:27, 29 December 2016 (UTC)) reply
@ KaisaL:, may I kinldy suggest deletion of all artists from 40 European countries? For those are all having a population of less than 20 million and are thus to be considered regional and local?
  • Just to satisfy User:KaisaL: I've added information from an interview by the French Association of Country Music (be aware, their website actually does look like a blog).( Sacha Kay ( talk) 13:45, 29 December 2016 (UTC)) reply
  • Keep I think that the article definitely needs help to bring it up to a better quality, but it's more to do with the fact that the article needs help vs. an issue of notability. I am going to work on the page and improve it. I wish that the approach was not quite so punitive for enthusiastic editors who need help versus what I'm seeing on this AfD. Pedagogy is the more effective method versus all of this here.... I'm not surprised, just disappointed. Another reason to not use AfD x 1 million. -- Erika aka BrillLyle ( talk) 16:26, 29 December 2016 (UTC) reply
Thanks for your input, User:BrillLyle. Nice to "hear" a kind voice. The whole creating of an article procedure made me feel like Don Quixote so far. Your message means a lot.( Sacha Kay ( talk) 16:50, 29 December 2016 (UTC)) reply
Okay I've done a significant amount of work on this article. It now has 30 citations, and quite frankly, due to the prolific nature of Jenkins' work and the heavy regional press coverage reflecting his work within the country music genre, I don't think I have really even scratched the surface on this musical artist. I would request that the tag be removed, as everything up there is good for a start article. Please advise. -- Erika aka BrillLyle ( talk) 23:56, 29 December 2016 (UTC) reply
Wow. Just wow. You've worked magic on the article! :) ( Sacha Kay ( talk) 06:34, 30 December 2016 (UTC)) reply
Thanks for your input Theroadislong. It's much appreciated. ( Sacha Kay ( talk) 21:25, 29 December 2016 (UTC)) reply
  • Keep I'm changing my delete vote from December 26th. Since then user BrillLyle has done the work necessary to cite the kinds of sources in significant numbers to create a legitimate encyclopedia entry. New editors (and editors new to WP:MUSIC) should note that the initial opposition to new articles are not to be dismissive of worthy subjects. Rather, it's to preserve the integrity of wikipedia (or what it aims to be, at least) by insisting everything adheres to our criteria for sourcing. ShelbyMarion ( talk) 14:27, 30 December 2016 (UTC) reply
Thank you, User:ShelbyMarion. I do understand the sourcing. It's just quite frustrating if people call the Dallas Observer, The Austin Chronicle, The Oklahoman and Lubbock Avalanche-Journal unreliable and unnotable sources. And even dismiss of a notable artist, only because he's not in national charts. It's really easy to just "sit here" and push the delete button, instead of trying to help create a great article about a wonderful artist. You were the exeption, you gave useful information and BrillLyle did an amazing job on re-writing the entire article and adding more information and sources. ( Sacha Kay ( talk) 14:56, 30 December 2016 (UTC)) reply
@ ShelbyMarion: Thanks. Total agreement than oftentimes it's not about notability but is more about constructing an entry that has enough content supported by good citations to be up on Wikipedia. Am hoping this AfD can be closed now. -- Erika aka BrillLyle ( talk) 19:44, 1 January 2017 (UTC) reply
@ BrillLyle: Just wondering... How will this AfD be closed? I've tried to look it up, but it says that after 7 days it will be closed, but I couldn't find "how" it will be closed. ( Sacha Kay ( talk) 20:16, 1 January 2017 (UTC)) reply
An admin will close it after weighing up the arguments using Wikipedia:Policies and guidelines it will either be keep, delete, or no consensus. Theroadislong ( talk) 20:25, 1 January 2017 (UTC) reply
  • Keep. I haven't looked back to see what earlier versions of the article looked like, but IMO it now looks pretty good. Several independent citations from newspapers etc. (including one in a book published by the University of Oklahoma Press) specifically about him, over more than a decade, make me say he passes WP:NMUSIC. (I haven't even looked at the non- WP:RS sources - never evidence of notability, but often very useful to support facts in a WP:BLP like this.) (BTW I hadn't heard of him.) Narky Blert ( talk) 20:38, 1 January 2017 (UTC) reply
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The result was no consensus. – Juliancolton |  Talk 00:32, 1 January 2017 (UTC) reply

Irene Sue Vernon

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Fails PROF (and GNG). Majority of refs on the article are primary, and the only things I can find on Google (using a variety of search terms) is variations on "said Vernon" or other one-sentence mentions. Primefac ( talk) 01:49, 9 December 2016 (UTC) reply

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I am not all that persuaded by library holdings. A book can sit on the selves for decades without being taken out. Usage would be more useful, but is not available. Xxanthippe ( talk) 00:34, 29 December 2016 (UTC). reply
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The result was delete. – Juliancolton |  Talk 00:33, 1 January 2017 (UTC) reply

The Curse and The Ugly

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Two Canadian punk rock bands from the 1970s, both lacking any strong claim to passing WP:NMUSIC and any reliable sourcing to support it — both are sourced exclusively to non-notable and unreliable fansites rather than to real media coverage, and the only actual notability claim present in either article is that The Curse were the first all-female punk band in North America if you discount the all-female punk band that came before them as "not really punk", which is absurd because anybody can claim to be the first anything if you just handwave all their predecessors away. Wikipedia is not a free publicity platform on which any band is automatically entitled to an article just because they existed, so the fact that they may have been in an under-the-radar genre that didn't garner enough media coverage does not constitute an exemption from having to source the article to media coverage — it's not our role to rectify the historical undercoverage of underground music, if we have to rely on weak sourcing to do it. If an "underappreciated" band didn't get the level of coverage in real, reliable media that NMUSIC and WP:GNG require, then they just don't get to have a Wikipedia article. It's not our job to have articles about every band that ever existed at all; it's our job to have articles about bands that are reliably sourceable as having attained notability for something. Bearcat ( talk) 18:25, 9 December 2016 (UTC) reply

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  • Comment. The book Perfect Youth: The Birth of Canadian Punk has some substantial content about The Curse [11] and about The Ugly [12]; a search for <Canadian punk "The Curse"> turns up other potential sources. On the other hand, it might be more useful for interested editors to devote some effort improving Canadian punk rock with sourced discussions. I am limited for time right now, but may have a chance to come back to this shortly.-- Arxiloxos ( talk) 03:55, 17 December 2016 (UTC) reply
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The result was no consensus.  Sandstein  21:49, 1 January 2017 (UTC) reply

Shoulda Been There, Pt. 1

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Previously deleted article nominated for speedy deletion G4. However, the new article has substantially more references than the previous incarnation so returning here for reconsideration Spinning Spark 22:28, 9 December 2016 (UTC) reply

  • Spinningspark, it's annoying how often people tag articles for G4 merely because they're about the same subject as a deleted article; thank you for bringing it here! Please see my note at closing the previous one; since it's clearly not a good article candidate, if someone wants to redirect it to the singer, I'll protect the redirect, or by now I'll protect the title itself per WP:SALT. Nyttend ( talk) 23:54, 9 December 2016 (UTC) reply
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The result was no consensus. ( No prejudice against speedy renomination per no participation herein other than from the nominator.) North America 1000 07:49, 31 December 2016 (UTC) reply

The Last Panthers (Clark album)

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Fails Wikipedia:Notability (music) I found one reference and added it, I think the reference to this album on a discography on the artists page would be sufficient. XyzSpaniel Talk Page 14:17, 9 December 2016 (UTC) reply

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The result was delete. – Juliancolton |  Talk 00:34, 1 January 2017 (UTC) reply

Thomas Abhaya

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Declined CSD. Unreferenced biography of person whose daughter's death of still the subject of an enquiry. Appears to have no separate notability. Nthep ( talk) 20:01, 24 December 2016 (UTC) reply

Sir, if it is okay, I am requesting the article stay on the site if I can find a reliable source of reference, Nthep.
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This discussion will last for a week, so you can do what you want in that time to improve the article but I really do suggest that you read the notability criteria to full understand what notable means and has already been pointed out - being the relative of someone who is notable does not make their relatives automatically notable. Nthep ( talk) 20:10, 24 December 2016 (UTC) reply

I will improve my Wiki skills. Deouble ( talk) 20:11, 24 December 2016 (UTC) reply

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The result was no consensus. Disregarding the opinion by the blocked 1Wiki8Q5G7FviTHBac3dx8HhdNYwDVstR.  Sandstein  11:34, 1 January 2017 (UTC) reply

Aiysha Saagar

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her musical career only has YouTube as references. The only other claim to notability is being ambassador for gold coast but that role has no inherent notability. LibStar ( talk) 12:05, 9 December 2016 (UTC) reply

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  • Keep A few quick google searches showed other more main stream press references to her albums and to her representing the Gold Coast, etc. The social context of a subject does not matter. There are multiple and varied secondary source references to the various subject matter of this article. The ones currently in the article are not necessarily the better references. Yes, article appears to have been written by somebody not experienced in Wikipedia, but that is not grounds for deletion. Aoziwe ( talk) 04:11, 11 December 2016 (UTC) reply
please list the actual sources you refer to. LibStar ( talk) 09:00, 11 December 2016 (UTC) reply
A very small fraction of what is available, a sample of examples. Some probably very reliable, some possibly not so reliable, and some unexpected mentions, across at least Australia, India, and the United Kingdom. All in all, multiple international secondary sources, in no particular order:
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  • Keep per all the sources above, non of which are youtube videos, clearly indicating passing WP:GNG. If India TV and the Dainik Bhaskar indicate she's a pop star, so should we. Pop stars are notable. -- Oakshade ( talk) 03:49, 22 December 2016 (UTC) reply
  • Delete as analyzing the article sources and the ones above show they are literally still only photo galleries, announcements, listings and mentions, none of that establishing actual notability in our policies, the information itself is then we bare as it could be since it's all trivial and unconvincing, none of that helps since the sourcing itself is simply so worse. Sources saying such sheer blatancy as the beautiful and hot woman" is not anywhere damningly near our notability and we would never choose that as a sole basis at all; worse if we say "but they're sources!". For God's sake, one of the sources themselves is to a dental office's URL (!!) so it's clear there's actual intentions of an article here, instead simply filling it with whatever, which is naturally only acceptable for their own website, not here. We never alone take "this or that" as "it's enough for an article" because that's not our policies. The nomination itself shows the fact she's not independently notable for anything and this is all WP:COATRACK, next is the sheer fact some of these websites we explicitly state as unacceptable in our policies, so why would we then say "But they're sources!"? If no one actually looks at these sources, they would've actually seen the damning sheerness of such blatancy as self-advertising professional photos, not actual contents. We base notability and articles by ourselves at AfD, not from what something or someone else apparently labels them, because they are not us, and we are not them. SwisterTwister talk 07:58, 22 December 2016 (UTC) reply
Cherry-picking a dental office source doesn't magically make all the other sources establishing notability disappear. -- Oakshade ( talk) 18:46, 22 December 2016 (UTC) reply
  • Keep - clearly notable due to clearly significant mentions in clearly reliable sources, clearly to be seen in this discussion already, clearly enough to base a clearly standard and clearly neutral wikipedia article by clearly competent wikipedians. User:SwisterTwister analysis is clearly cookie-cutter, clearly biased and clearly should be dismissed as such. Like, clearly! -- 1Wiki8........................... ( talk) 10:16, 22 December 2016 (UTC) reply
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  • Keep - Of the links in the article, a few of them provide proof of the subject's notability. However, of the new links added here - above - the subject is clearly a celebrity in India, although a minimal one. But is still worthy of its own article space. Scorpion293 ( talk) 20:47, 24 December 2016 (UTC) reply
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The result was delete. – Juliancolton |  Talk 00:35, 1 January 2017 (UTC) reply

Ikenna Obi

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The subject obviously fails WP:GNG. I can't find any reliable source discussing him. The article doesn't provide any tangible source either. Jamie Tubers ( talk) 09:36, 9 December 2016 (UTC) reply

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The result was delete. – Juliancolton |  Talk 00:35, 1 January 2017 (UTC) reply

Pune Plant (Tata Motors)

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Can't find much in the way of evidence this topic meets WP:GNG. Seems to receive almost no coverage in independent sources. Ajpolino ( talk) 00:53, 9 December 2016 (UTC) reply

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  • Comment Good find Oakshade! Not sure how I missed those. Per the refs Oakshade found, I think the plant likely meets GNG and I'd like to withdraw my AfD nom (though I'm not sure I can, per WP:WDAFD since someone else has supported deletion). But I think this AfD can be closed keep or withdraw. Thanks. Ajpolino ( talk) 18:06, 17 December 2016 (UTC) reply
  • Delete instead as I've been watching this and the listed links are simply company and business announcements, none of this suggests a convincing article of anything but a local plant, that's not significant enough for actual notability itself. SwisterTwister talk 00:46, 20 December 2016 (UTC) reply
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  • Delete per WP:NOPAGE and WP:NOTINHERITED. The plant itself has not received significant coverage independent of the company. The sources confirm that the plant exists, not why it is notable. In addition the sources are dealing with routine news - closure of a plant, comments by the union. None of this explains any cultural or historical significance of the plant. Also, the article itself is a bunch of WP:OR and honestly, this is eligible for a TNT. On top the that, the title isn't very precise either. -- Lemongirl942 ( talk) 04:42, 25 December 2016 (UTC) reply
  • Delete -- the article in its entirety is an unreferenced essay and is strongly promotional. This content belongs on the company's web site, not in an encyclopedia. The sources presented at this AfD are local or routine, so the notability is not there for a stand alone article to begin with. K.e.coffman ( talk) 19:15, 31 December 2016 (UTC) reply
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The result was redirect to National Highway 118 (India). By raw nosecount, delete outweighs redirect, but going with redirect as harmless, and to comply with WP:ATD. -- RoySmith (talk) 20:56, 1 January 2017 (UTC) reply

Marine Drive, Jamshedpur

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unsourced road without an indication of notability The Banner  talk 00:13, 17 December 2016 (UTC) reply

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The result was delete. – Juliancolton |  Talk 00:37, 1 January 2017 (UTC) reply

Sattva yoga

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No Sources and a long list of external links, looks like an SEO page. How did it survive this long? Jtbobwaysf ( talk) 15:03, 17 December 2016 (UTC) reply

This page also contains links that are showing up on spam reports. Wikipedia:WikiProject_Spam/LinkReports/sattvayogaacademy.com Wikipedia:WikiProject_Spam/Local/sattvayogaacademy.com Jtbobwaysf ( talk) 17:04, 26 December 2016 (UTC) reply

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The result was keep. ( non-admin closure) Ya sh ! 17:50, 31 December 2016 (UTC) reply

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Listed sources still consist of nothing else but clear PR, announcements, interviews and listings, none of which establish notability and substance, even something genuine, let alone something fully acceptable; this itself was started by a vandalismfarm and my own searches find the mirrored sources, so there's no hopes of meaningful improvements here, even if someone boldly wished for them. As for the "#1" award, it seems it's a common enough occurrence that it's still too trivial and still only exists for clear PR. This itself has then not actually changed since said vandalism happened, hence not convincing either. SwisterTwister talk 17:38, 24 December 2016 (UTC) reply

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The result was speedily deleted by User:RHaworth under criterion A10. ( non-admin closure). " Pepper" @ 02:39, 25 December 2016 (UTC) reply

Doxing Techniques

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Wikipedia is not a how to guide and the article appears to be original research. reddogsix ( talk) 17:34, 24 December 2016 (UTC) reply

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The result was keep. ( non-admin closure) Ya sh ! 17:34, 31 December 2016 (UTC) reply

Cuba under Fidel Castro

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Repeats information from main Fidel Castro article without adding anything substantive. Scaleshombre ( talk) 17:32, 24 December 2016 (UTC) reply

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The result was keep. – Juliancolton |  Talk 00:42, 1 January 2017 (UTC) reply

List of The Tonight Show Starring Jimmy Fallon episodes (2017)

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This article should be deleted as it is WP:FUTURE KAP03 ( talk) 17:13, 24 December 2016 (UTC) reply

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The result was Speedy Keep as it's a White Christmas. Andrew D. ( talk) 13:29, 27 December 2016 (UTC). reply

List of time travel works of fiction

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Per Wikipedia is not a list The books mentioned in this list already have Wikipedia articles for them, so it's also redundant.Having the list in place adds no value to the articles. Therefore I move that the list (not the articles mentioned within the list) be deleted KoshVorlon 15:20, 24 December 2016 (UTC) KoshVorlon 15:20, 24 December 2016 (UTC) reply

  • Weak Keep If only this was the only list here. Actually I find this useful, as it enabled me to look up this type of fiction, and a full bibliography would not be appropriate for the main article. Can you link to the WP:NOTLIST policy please? Slatersteven ( talk) 15:28, 24 December 2016 (UTC) reply

List can be created [ [20]]. As I said, this is far too large a range of fiction to not have a list that people can go to if they want to know what is out there. Slatersteven ( talk) 16:14, 24 December 2016 (UTC) reply

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  • Sorry, why is this list not a list? It's great that everything in this list has an article on it -- that indicates that this list meets our notability guidelines for lists. I don't I think see a valid deletion rationale here. It seems to be a valid compliment to the main article and category for time travel fiction. Keep.
  • Keep Wikipedia has plenty of list articles. This one meets all the requirements for one. Nominator needs to learn the rules before wasting time with pointless nomination. Kindly withdraw your nomination so this can be closed. Dream Focus 16:50, 24 December 2016 (UTC) reply
  • Comment Dream Focus, comment on content not contributors, first of all. I've been a Wikipedian for 9 years and am well aquanited with the rules, did you not read WP:NOTDIR ? This isn't an article, it's a list pretending to be an article, it's redundant, adds no value or greater understanding to the articles linked to it, and because Wikipedia is not a directory, we have three reasons to remove this list. Kindly strike your comments. KoshVorlon 17:08, 24 December 2016 (UTC) reply
In all that time, you never saw a list article before? Use the Search button to look for "list of" and it says "Results 1 - 20 of 1,515,068". So plenty of list articles just like this one you can easily find. Everyone here disagrees with you on this issue, so kindly listen to them, and don't try this again. Dream Focus 17:52, 24 December 2016 (UTC) reply


Please keep it polite. Slatersteven ( talk) 17:55, 24 December 2016 (UTC) reply

Postdlf please comment on content , not contributor. Also please re-read my rationale, WP:NOTDIR is only ONE of Three reasons I'm proposing deletion. KoshVorlon 20:37, 24 December 2016 (UTC) reply

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The result was delete. – Juliancolton |  Talk 00:43, 1 January 2017 (UTC) reply

Yousran International

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No demonstrated notability; reference is poor; article has not progressed and is well below expected quality. — billinghurst sDrewth 13:48, 24 December 2016 (UTC) reply

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The result was Speedy deleted A7. Peridon ( talk) 20:04, 24 December 2016 (UTC) reply

Josh Levenson

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Per WP:3RR here we are author fails to properly contest the csd Necrosis Buddha 13:27, 24 December 2016 (UTC) reply

  • I do agree with you. I already said it is a speedy deletion material. New users are not always aware of the guidelines at Wikipedia, sometimes they need more than level 1 warning to know the guidelines and the consequences of breaching them. Hitro talk 13:50, 24 December 2016 (UTC) reply
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The result was redirect to Hat Films. – Juliancolton |  Talk 00:44, 1 January 2017 (UTC) reply

Destination Drumpf

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No WP:NOTABLE sources whatsoever online. Therefore, it fails WP:NMUSIC, which requires: "multiple, non-trivial, published works appearing in sources that are reliable, not self-published, and are independent of the musician or ensemble itself.' Moreover, the overriding WP:GNG is failed too by the lack of sources. TheMagikCow ( talk) 13:10, 24 December 2016 (UTC) reply

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The result was speedy deleted by BD2412 as a blatant hoax. ( non-admin closure) Merry Christmas and Happy New Year, GeoffreyT2000 ( talk, contribs) 19:54, 24 December 2016 (UTC) reply

PK (2017 film)

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This article is poorly written and completely unsourced. It claims to be about a 2017 film (what?) then gives a release date of 2015. It has the same name as PK (film) but claims to be the sequel (?) although nothing can be found on google to suggest a sequel actually exists. Laurdecl talk 12:00, 24 December 2016 (UTC) reply

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The result was redirect to Greeting card#Types of greeting cards. ( non-admin closure) Ya sh ! 12:10, 31 December 2016 (UTC) reply

Naughty cards

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Pointless page based on someone's personal view. Not encyclopaedic, and not likely to be. Emeraude ( talk) 11:52, 24 December 2016 (UTC) reply

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The result was delete. – Juliancolton |  Talk 00:45, 1 January 2017 (UTC) reply

Aparshakti Khurrana

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Disc jockey. Fails WP:BIO. Single ref. No acting experience. Nothing notable. scope_creep ( talk) 11:26, 24 December 2016 (UTC) reply

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The result was delete. Not a snowball's chance of another outcome. Not mentioned in The Yogscast. czar 18:54, 28 December 2016 (UTC) reply

SipsCo.

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Fails WP:GNG. Topic lacks significant coverage from reliable secondary sources. Every source used on the article is either unreliable (other wikis, reddit posts) or a primary source (YouTube channel of the person who created this fictional company). The1337gamer ( talk) 09:48, 24 December 2016 (UTC) reply

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The result was delete.  Sandstein  11:32, 1 January 2017 (UTC) reply

TiDB

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I PRODed it without realisng it is a recreation of a speedied page. I am at a loss to know what to do with it but I'm pretty sure it's not notable. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง ( talk) 09:53, 1 December 2016 (UTC) reply

Thanks Kudpung! TiDB has been reported online in many Chinese online meida because it's developed by Chinese engineers. Is it okay for me to cite a Chinese website link? Or Can I use the following two links:
https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=10180503 https://www.percona.com/live/plam16/sessions/how-we-build-tidb
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Sorry I missed the earlier note. Could you please share your comments on my question below? Thanks! TiDB has been reported online in many Chinese online meida because it's developed by Chinese engineers. Is it okay for me to cite a Chinese website link? Or Can I use the following two links:
https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=10180503 https://www.percona.com/live/plam16/sessions/how-we-build-tidb

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  • Delete: Two of the references in the article pertain to NewSQL, preceding and not mentioning this particular product. The remainder are a mix of online postings and presentation materials from primary sources. None of these satisfy the requirements. (In answer to the query above, there would not be a problem with Chinese language sources, but they would need to be reliable 3rd party sources.) Clearly this is a developing product but it looks at best WP:TOOSOON to demonstrate achieved encyclopaedic notability. The product is mentioned on the NewSQL page which is sufficient (even then, preferably supported by a reliable 3rd party source). AllyD ( talk) 12:49, 24 December 2016 (UTC) reply
  • Delete: I agree with AllyD's assessment.-- greenrd ( talk) 23:29, 29 December 2016 (UTC) reply
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The result was delete. Jo-Jo Eumerus ( talk, contributions) 09:14, 1 January 2017 (UTC) reply

Diamond Fall, Funny Diet, Master of Dwarves, Rifle Range and Treasure Mines

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Inadequately sourced; not really one article but four. Admits that information on the games is lacking, which is a statement of non-notability in the article itself. Robert McClenon ( talk) 04:16, 24 December 2016 (UTC) reply

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The result was speedy delete per WP:G7. Boing! said Zebedee ( talk) 10:10, 25 December 2016 (UTC) reply

Baek Shin-ji

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Does not meet WP:ACTOR. CSD got declined, but a proper look at the series listed out show that only the first series is legit (and her role was so minor it wasn't included in the series' page). The rest are links to a 1952 Swedish film, a disambiguation page, a series that started airing in 2016 but is listed as 2019 here, a manhwa with no announced TV series and a page on Scottish nobility. Frankly it just stinks of a hoax from an overimaginative fan. SorryNotSorry ✽ ✉ 02:31, 24 December 2016 (UTC) reply

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The result was procedural close. Wrong forum; please go to WP:MFD instead. ( non-admin closure) JudgeRM (talk to me) 02:34, 24 December 2016 (UTC) reply

User talk:75.22.38.30

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The result was delete. Single-purpose accounts disregarded.  Sandstein  14:48, 2 January 2017 (UTC) reply

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My WP:CSD tag was reverted on the grounds that this new magazine, launched in November 2016, was produced by a notable person. As notability is not WP:NOTINHERETED, and there seems to be no evidence of secondary sources supporting notability, but much suggesting WP:PROMOTION, using links to free, self-published press release websites, it is perhaps appropriate to propose this article for wider discussion under WP:AfD than speedy deletion. Parkywiki ( talk) 02:00, 24 December 2016 (UTC) reply

Hi User talk:Jerrysoko, just wanted to briefly mention that having a book on sale on Amazon does not mean the book is worthy of its own article space. There needs to be news coverage from independent reliable sources. If you can find any please add them in the references, otherwise, this article should be deleted. - Scorpion293 | talk 04:57, 28 December 2016 (UTC) reply
  • Delete. WP:TOOSOON. Some press-releases and links to the magazine are trivial. How a listing on Amazon makes this "inherently notable" is beyond me. -- Randykitty ( talk) 16:35, 24 December 2016 (UTC) reply
  • Strong Delete - No sign of notability. Press releases are not reliable sources, neither are none of the references presented in this article. Also, this user - Jerrysoko - is potentially tied to the creator of this article and his comment should not be taken into consideration. One word: Speedy Deletion. - Scorpion293 | talk 21:10, 24 December 2016 (UTC) reply
  • Merge into KJIVA. This is certainly not notable yet. Anything salvageable can go in the article about its founder. Adam9007 ( talk) 21:19, 24 December 2016 (UTC) reply
  • Strong Keep- printed version of this magazine distributed globally check this ISBN  978-1540718716 having validate proof of selling on various shopping site & produced by a notable person so no chances of WP:AfD and i think user Scorpion293, Parkywiki are personally against this user — Jerrysoko might be hurt Rockwalla39 ( talk) 08:59, 25 December 2016 (UTC) — Rockwalla39 ( talk • contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic. reply
Comment This userpage User:Rockwalla39 is being considered for deletion for copying and pasting an admins banstars in order to deceive and disrupt AfD process. More here: /info/en/?search=Wikipedia:Miscellany_for_deletion/User:Rockwalla39 Scorpion293 ( talk) 05:37, 28 December 2016 (UTC) reply
Response That's a strong accusation, Rockwalla39 - just check my edit history and you'll see I arrived here purely because I was using WP:AWB to typo fix new articles. When I do that I check quickly to see if an article appears to have any merit - and this one does not. I have no interest whatsoever in the user you mentioned (do you?), but I am keen to avoid Wikipedia being used as a medium to promote non-notable content. It was that that reason I proposed WP:CSD, and that alone. I hadn't until today even checked the article creator's contribution history, which can oftentimes be quite telling. Merry Christmas Parkywiki ( talk) 12:42, 25 December 2016 (UTC) reply
Response Sorry for accusation — Parkywiki hope u take it lightly, thank you for your best wishes & have a happy Christmas, same apologize to Scorpion293 hope u also understood — Rockwalla39 ( talk) 16:38, 25 December 2016 (UTC) reply
No worries - thanks for that. Parkywiki ( talk) 15:29, 26 December 2016 (UTC) reply
Response User:Rockwalla39 Please don't accuse me of being against any user. What I am against is spam and articles with no reliable sources. This article has no evidence of impact in journalism or awards won, which is needed for a news publication like a magazine. The fact that the magazine was distributed does not mean anything. Where are the news articles from Forbes, XXL, MTV, Billboard, The Guardian, New York Times, or other reliable sources like books, academic journals..etc., talking about this music magazine in-depth? In my opinion, this article should potentially be 'merged with the KJIVA. Although, however, I will need to investigate that article too as I don't see any reliable independent sources. - Scorpion293 | talk 20:00, 25 December 2016 (UTC) reply
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  • Update It appears that this article, along with KJIVA, Me_n_Mah_Beat, and his apparent record label United_Naxal_Records have NO reliable independent sources at all, not one. There is nothing but "free press release" articles, iTunes & Amazon store links, and user-generated music profiles. As to how these articles got approved: I don't know. But it looks like this user has been spamming Wikipedia with hoax articles. Not one reliable source exists for this musician, and in addition, none exists with a simple Google search either. Here's an example; in this article, in the first paragraph, the following was written about the magazine: "It debuted in November 2016 with Peter Tosh on the cover..." Tosh died in 1987, so how did he make the cover? This is just one example of many that I found in articles about the subject, made to deceive editors into thinking his magazine is "notable". I think it's safe to say that this guy has duped Wikipedia editors. In my opinion, the user who created these articles, as the subject too, should be blacklisted from Wiki. I have added these articles in the "articles for deletion" section, and will continue looking for more, if any exists. - Scorpion293 | talk 23:58, 26 December 2016 (UTC) reply
Response: User:Scorpion293 this user is exploiting wikipedia policy he has added WP:AfD manually on various articles without tool & proper reason. This user don't know much more about Wikipedia:Notability_(music) page KJIVA is categories under WP:COMPOSER which is non performing personnel. secondly he is writer so don't consider it as only musician. I think this user - User:Scorpion293 is against this artist or may be his hater so he done same processes for his another pages like Murder: The Gangster Rhymes, United Naxal Records, Me n Mah Beat. This has manually remove important citation links from page and add WP:AfD over it without proper explanation. Again this user is fool in field of magazine by saying peter tosh is dead & how should he appear on cover in 2016. note for User:Scorpion293 tupac shakur died in 1996 but still he appear on various magazine covers check issue of xxl magazine 2011. Before posting to some thing be sured what you post. I think this user is spam to do WP:AfD on various articles check this user contribution & banned. so i request block this user permanently. Ligard39 ( Talk2Me| Contribs) 07:46, 27 December 2016 (UTC) reply
Comment: User:ATS Please help us with this user who is hoaxing Wikipedia. Can you identify any reliable sources? Thanks. - Scorpion293 | talk 00:40, 27 December 2016 (UTC) reply
Response:hey Coolabahapple you are putting accusation on me just because i am contributing wikipedia about KJIVA. I found this article stub thats why i am edited it because i have the knowledge of Marathi people & their culture. Another issue i have use this picture just because search KJIVA on wikicommons and i get that result. Thats no mean i have relation with any user. If i contributed wikipedia about any articles which i have knowledge and u think its relationship with me then from next time i will never contribute to wikipedia. Jerrysoko ( talk) 17:57, 27 December 2016 (UTC) reply
Hi Jerrysoko, thank you for your reassurances, i meant no offense and hope you continue to contribute. Coolabahapple ( talk) 03:07, 28 December 2016 (UTC) reply
  • Comment: Please note that Kjiva was deleted and salted after an AfD only a few months ago. I put this remark here, because the AFD for KJIVA (and several related articles]] does not seem to have been created and transcluded correctly. -- Randykitty ( talk) 18:43, 27 December 2016 (UTC) reply
  • Comment Someone created a Kjiva article before and it was deleted twice due to no reliable sources, not one. It appears that someone created it again with no sources. I think the subject should be blacklisted from Wikipedia, as someone is clearly creating an article about this subject, which clearly has no news coverage or reliable sources. Hi User:David_Eppstein, you deleted the following article Kjiva, is this the same subject? - Scorpion293 | talk 04:48, 28 December 2016 (UTC) reply
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The result was delete. North America 1000 04:16, 1 January 2017 (UTC) reply

Decomposing Pictures Cinematic Universe

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Fails WP:COMPANY; minimal coverage from secondary sources. Article created by staff member. Blackguard 01:56, 24 December 2016 (UTC) reply

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The result was keep.  Sandstein  13:26, 1 January 2017 (UTC) reply

Jon Hirschtick

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Simply nothing for actual independent notability and substance and it's enough to suggest paid advertising for this article, the company positions and achievements are not convincing as to automatically inherit him notability, the sources are not equally convincing either, thus this should not have been accepted at all. There is nothing that can suggest otherwise if we consider policies WP:SPAM and WP:NOT. SwisterTwister talk 17:30, 25 November 2016 (UTC) reply

Every single one of those sources are not inheriting automatic notability for an article from anything or anyone else, especially if they simply consist of actual interviews, company quotes, republished company or businesspeople information, or that it was by a hired freelance journalist instead of staff (this is a case specifically for Forbes, which is notorious for it); also, there's policies in place for articles such as these, WP:SPAM and WP:NOT. SwisterTwister talk 07:16, 30 November 2016 (UTC) reply
Thank you very much for this clarification, and thank you for your time! Am I right that books containing chapters about Hirschtick is a sign of his notability? For instance, in the books "Entrepreneurship: Successfully Launching New Ventures" and "The Portable MBA in Entrepreneurship Case Studies" there are chapters about him. Ilya.lichman ( talk) 05:50, 1 December 2016 (UTC) reply
Being "royalty" is by all means vague and is not an instant inheritable for notability here, especially when policy is involved. This comment above has no policy-based comment, unlike WP:NOT which is. SwisterTwister talk 04:24, 25 December 2016 (UTC) reply
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  • Comment There is an article about Hirschtick in the Wall Street Journal - In Cards or Business, Act on the Advantage. In the article Hirsctick said, how he learned about card counting while a student at MIT, and also he described the business lessons he drew from his time playing cards. May be blackjack is not serious enough topic, but it seems that an article in Wall Street Journal about Jon Hirschtick is serious enough sign of his notability. Ilya.lichman ( talk) 13:04, 9 December 2016 (UTC) reply
How is this a policy-based comment? See WP:PERX. SwisterTwister talk 04:24, 25 December 2016 (UTC) reply
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  • Keep the claim of notability is quite strong as creator of two CAD software breakthroughs, funded by the $1 million he made as part of the MIT blackjack team, all backed up by reliable and verifiable sources. Alansohn ( talk) 03:46, 25 December 2016 (UTC) reply
There's not automatic inherited notability from the fact he founded software, we could then accept any other article with the sole basis of "he founded multiple sofwares" but our policies explicit state against this, and with good meaning. Also, the fact he was funded by an MIT team is also not automatically inheriting him notability. Unlike anyone else, I would actually say we have paid advertising contributions here because of the fact of not one SPA, but two now by the fact a second user has now started, and we've established as it is this can only mean advertising-involved, certainly not "coincidentally active users with the same one article". Simply look at each source, it's about the software itself (Fortune: Funding support, WSJ: Mere mention, Forbes: By a "special contributing journalist" (which basically means he was a freelance journalist, a job that is easily bought by companies for PR). When an article then has to end with simple sourcing (see #15-28) as mentions, it shows the sheer attempts at coatracking and overbloating the article with anything to make it seem "genuinely substantial", when it's not, and policies explicitly state this. When we ignore policies against advertising, we have no hopes for an encyclopedia. SwisterTwister talk 04:24, 25 December 2016 (UTC) reply
Hirschtick didn't "inherit" anything from the software he created; he is notable because he created the software, as he is for his involvement in the MIT blackjack team. That one funded the creation of the other only adds to the claim. When we have single editors turning themselves into judge, jury and executioner, shouting and screaming increasingly bizarre and irrational conspiracy theories to claim that any and all sources are "advertising", regardless of the source, we have no hopes for an encyclopedia. Alansohn ( talk) 04:37, 25 December 2016 (UTC) reply
Dear SwisterTwister, thank you for the explanation "but two now by the fact a second user has now started, and we've established as it is this can only mean advertising-involved, certainly not "coincidentally active users with the same one article""! Now I can understand better how it looks from you point of view. I hope it will be pertinently if I try to explain. I am a programmer in CAD/CAM company, and also I am a lecturer in a university ("Introduction to CAD/CAM/CAE" for students of 5th grade). Half of a year ago I found that there are no any articles in Wikipedia about new system Onshape and about Jon Hirschtick who created Solidworks and Onshape. I was very surprised, so I decided to create both these articles. One month ago I found that the first article was created, and that it was temporary in the list of Articles for deletion. So I started creation of the second one article via Articles for creation (to avoid mistakes of beginners). It was accepted, and two hours later you put it into the list of Articles for deletion. I absolutely agree with you that my text is not perfect, that sources must be improved. And now I can see why do you think that my article looks like a spam. But on my talk page you can see that I asked the author of the Onshape article to share his expirience about all these deletion things. And it seems that only after it he decided to rewrite part of my text. I hate spam too. But I am interesed in CAD/CAM/CAE/PLM, so I am trying to improve Wikipedia in these areas. Ilya.lichman ( talk) 12:32, 29 December 2016 (UTC) reply
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The result was delete. North America 1000 04:20, 1 January 2017 (UTC) reply

Brandon Schmidt (ice hockey)

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With no references and no text (and a malformed infobox), does not establish ice hockey notability. Robert McClenon ( talk) 00:59, 24 December 2016 (UTC) reply

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The result was delete. There was a reasonable-sounding proposal to merge all of these into higher-level aggregation articles which span years, but that didn't attract any support, so going with the straight delete. -- RoySmith (talk) 14:59, 1 January 2017 (UTC) reply

Germany at the 2011 World Amateur Boxing Championships

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Nations at the xxx pages are usually reserved for events with multiple sports or disciplines. This one focuses on just one sport. Also quoting Peter Rehse, from another similar AFD [21], "they are all a rehash of a single source. National results for events that are borderline notable themselves. Even there there is nothing demonstrating that [the country] performed anywhere near notable." Sportsfan 1234 ( talk) 00:55, 24 December 2016 (UTC) reply

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Indeed they don't. However, every merge requires an extra amount of work. The real question is: should those articles exist? I don't see why not, given that the content is there already. GregorB ( talk) 15:56, 29 December 2016 (UTC) reply
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The result was Speedy Deleted (G12) by Boing! said Zebedee . ( non-admin closure) – Davey2010 Merry Xmas / Happy New Year 13:26, 24 December 2016 (UTC) reply

B038:Minor Losses in pipe flow

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Course notes inadvertantly put into the encyclopedia. Unlikely search topic as article title, essay or lecture notes tone would have to be completely rewritten, by which time it would be a real article with a sensible title. Wtshymanski ( talk) 02:36, 24 December 2016 (UTC) reply

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