Dacy69 ( talk · contribs) has a long history of blocks for edit warring and is back at it after being absent for three months. The first thing he did after coming back was a mass removal of the WPNK tag, with the following edit summary "there is no such thing as Artsakh except armenian name of Azerbaijani region. It is clear attempt to legitimaze illegal entity" This was very disruptive and uncalled for. Not to mention Armenia being in lowercase. VartanM ( talk) 19:51, 31 December 2007 (UTC) reply
I think we can conclude with this thread, a continuation of which seems to be taking place below. El_C 23:26, 1 January 2008 (UTC) reply
Reverting my edit on the talk page calling it "vandalism" [2]? I am not sure if this is civil, when I clearly provided a rationale for the removal of the tag [3]. This project Wikipedia:WikiProject Karabakh is clearly a divisive nationalist WP:POV push by a group of contributors. The icon map used for this project is a pure provocative fabrication, as Nagorno-Karabakh never had such borders neither as administrative division within Soviet Azerbaijan nor as unrecognized military establishment of Armenia. But what's most disturbing is that some members of this project are trying to rid Wikipedia of any historical reference to word Azerbaijan or Azeri, examples [4], [5]. Thanks. Atabek ( talk) 13:12, 31 December 2007 (UTC) reply
Come on, guys, please! This isn't helping anyone. Step back a bit before you all get yourselves banned at Armenia-Azerbaijan 3. Deciding to promote Wikiproject:Karabakh at this point in time is a seriously bad idea. Can't you see how much Armenian and Azeri users are trying admins' patience here with the eternal edit-warring over Nagorno-Karabakh? How about a moratorium on NK articles for at least a month. Surely there's plenty to work on elsewhere. Remember, Wikipedia is not a battleground. -- Folantin ( talk) 18:22, 31 December 2007 (UTC) reply
Removing the project tag because you don't like it, is called vandalism. Happy New Year to all. VartanM ( talk) 19:32, 31 December 2007 (UTC) reply
Happy New Year everybody. Let's just try and make 2008 calmer in this neck of the woods if we can. -- Folantin ( talk) 20:43, 31 December 2007 (UTC) reply
I agree with Folantin, and have killed the WikiProject for a month. Everyone, please take a break - or at least fight elsewhere. Happy New Year to everyone. Cheers, Moreschi If you've written a quality article... 21:55, 31 December 2007 (UTC) reply
Indeed, Nagorno-Karabakh topic is quite disturbing and annoying already as an article to further make a project out of it. Happy New Year and all the best to all! Atabek ( talk) 10:43, 1 January 2008 (UTC) reply
Andranikpasha, please, refer to WP:SOAP regarding "its exists!". It's not disturbing to me as a subject, what's disturbing is that Nagorno-Karabakh article and any subject mentioning it is a subject of edit wars since the start of Wikipedia. So creation of POV project under this name will not serve well to Wikipedia. Atabek ( talk) 14:10, 1 January 2008 (UTC) reply
I don't think User:Pocopocopocopoco is quite listening to what some administrators commented on above. He again reinserted the Karabakh Wikiproject tag back into the talk page [6]. Thanks. Atabek ( talk) 21:38, 1 January 2008 (UTC) reply
I am respectfully asking for enforcement under
Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/COFS, specifically
Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/COFS/Proposed decision#Article probation.
Anyeverybody (
talk ·
contribs ·
deleted contribs ·
logs ·
filter log ·
block user ·
block log) (AKA
Anynobody (
talk ·
contribs ·
deleted contribs ·
logs ·
filter log ·
block user ·
block log) or AN) is violating the intent of the
DRV on
Barbara Schwarz (
|
talk |
history |
protect |
delete |
links |
watch |
logs |
views) (a Scientology-related article) by creating
WP:POVFORKs of deleted materials. He added a long bit to
Neutral reportage,
here, giving clear undue weight to Schwarz. He did the same at
Freedom of Information Act (United States),
here, in which he put her on a par with
J. Edgar Hoover and
Ronald Reagan. He apparently recreated the deleted article as a disamb page which was then undone and the page protected. He is engaging in
WP:BLP-violating discussion of her mental state on a user talk page (
User talk:Tilman#Barbara Schwarz and Scientology).
I am well familiar with AN's tenacity when he takes an interest in a subject as I was once the object of his attention and it took an arb ruling to get him to back off (
Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/COFS/Proposed decision#Anynobody prohibited from harassing Justanother). I am respectfully requesting that an administrator please inform AN is no uncertain terms to back off on Schwarz. It is of note that the DRV page itself was blanked. AN should stop with the undue attention to Schwarz. This project has made its decision as regards her and he must abide by it and not try to find ways around it. As far as his POV forks, I have fixed most of the one at
Neutral reportage as that one was a no-brainer but I would appreciate if an uninvolved party would take care of the undue weight at
Freedom of Information Act (United States). Thank you and Happy New Year. --
JustaHulk (
talk) 15:16, 31 December 2007 (UTC)
reply
elsewhere. Thatcher 04:21, 1 January 2008 (UTC) reply
Additional response Upon further developments, Anyeverybody is banned from making any Barbara Schwarz-related edits in any article for 30 days.
http://en.wikipedia.org/?title=User_talk:Anyeverybody&oldid=179970442]
Thatcher 02:05, 2 January 2008 (UTC)
reply
Violation of Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/MONGO#Links to ED by bypassing the spam blacklist using I'm Feeling Lucky. Keeps trolling for a link addition. Will ( talk) 00:40, 3 January 2008 (UTC) reply
Totally support this block, we don't need this bunk. I've noted it on the arb case block list too. — Rlevse • Talk • 22:07, 4 January 2008 (UTC) reply
Can somebody please have a good look at Ireland101 ( talk · contribs) and Tsourkpk ( talk · contribs) and apply Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/Macedonia#Discretionary sanctions as seen fit? These guys have been fighting a bit too much for my taste recently. I'd do something myself, but I'm probably a bit too non-uninvolved by the Arbcom's current standards. Fut.Perf. ☼ 09:36, 31 December 2007 (UTC) reply
I've put Ireland101 on revert parole and logged it, holding off for now on other actions (which I believe are needed). Kékrōps ( talk · contribs) is also coming up reverting in quite a few of those page histories listed above. Thoughts? Moreschi If you've written a quality article... 17:11, 31 December 2007 (UTC) reply
Andranikpasha warned to avoid future violations of revert parole. White Cat is admonished for stirring the pot and trying to cause more flame-warring. Moreschi If you've written a quality article... 14:58, 5 January 2008 (UTC) reply
"a radical turkish site on Armenian "allegations" is not acceptible. see the admin comments." That is in violation of the revert parole. Also the edit summary is inadequate as the removed site is a US Department of Defense funded non-profit organization. -- Cat chi? 15:36, 4 January 2008 (UTC)
White Cat has a history of trying to add entirely inappropriate sources to that ASALA page. Nobody has edited it since December 30, so his latest complaint seems like stirring. He seems to have a bee in his bonnet about the Armenians so I'd favour a restriction on his editing on this topic area. -- Folantin ( talk) 16:11, 4 January 2008 (UTC) reply
Andranikpasha's not getting blocked today, you can't apply revert parole retrospectively. Moreschi If you've written a quality article... 17:11, 4 January 2008 (UTC) reply
This is issue is being properly handled over at ANI. [26]. VartanM ( talk) 06:27, 5 January 2008 (UTC) reply
Grandmaster, do you think the "Strong technical correlation between the Andranikpasha ID on many wikis and 217.118.95.* (or 217.118.95.0/24)" means "history of disruptive activity of Andranikpasha across various Wikimedia projects, including vandalism in English wiki"? One more pseudo-propagand and falsification of the text? Andranikpasha ( talk) 14:14, 5 January 2008 (UTC) reply
I'm sorry I missed this thread before it closed, (I would have welcomed a nudge to come participate) but I and other CUs have been investigating this for some time. Let me reiterate, there is a strong technical correlation between Andranikpasha and the IP range 217.118.95.* (or 217.118.95.0/24) on this wiki and on many many (I ran checks on a LOT of wikis as part of this investigation using my shiny new Steward buttons) other wikis. On many other wikis the sole contributions made by users and IPs in this range (that is, by this user, see "strong technical correlation") are to attack other users (a persistent pattern is after an admin takes action on one wiki regarding this user, this user attacks or vandalises that admin's pages on many other wikis) or to disruptively interfere in the smooth functioning of the wiki. While en:wp does not and should not take what other wikis decide to do as the sole guide to what to do, it would not be prudent to completely disregard this user's history and behaviour patterns elsewhere. I would suggest the reason this user has been relatively well behaved here is because this user is being closely watched. Several other wikis have banned this user, or blocked the IP range. My conclusion is that this user is a persistent and disruptive vandal and trouble maker and I recommend at the very least that a very close watch be kept in accordance with the parole. Myself I would have just blocked the user completely here and been done with it. I welcome any questions or concerns. ++ Lar: t/ c 15:50, 5 January 2008 (UTC) reply
If Andranikpasha was indeed banned from other language Wiki’s, he was then punished for what he did. According to which policies is it acceptable to watch over his other contributions in other Wikis to punish him here?
If indeed using evidences from other Wikipedi’s are valid, then in this case there are evidences of members canvassing to have Andranikpasha banned from English Wikipedia. Grandmaster's first post on meta was on 09:16, 21 December 2007 [30], only few hours after Jayvdb made his checkuser request on Andranikpasha [31]. With his limited knowledge of Russian, (he doesn’t even claims to know it in his userpage), Jayvdb managed to make such a history of Andranikpasha's contribution on Russian Wikipedia. It would have taken some basic mastering of the Russian language to know according to the contributions and have verification on that Ashot account. We know very well that on English Wikipedia Andranikpasha was first banned because of Grandmaster's attempt to have him banned; we also know that Grandmaster who masters Russian is also a regular contributor on Russian Wikipedia. I don’t think there is any coincidence or it is too much far fetched to say that Jayvdb proxies for Grandmaster by posting those evidences gathered by Grandmaster to request a checkuser. What use these really have if not to bring it over to English Wikipedia to further discredit Andranikpasha?
Jayvdb has a long history of coming to Grandmaster’s defense in an interval of few minutes, like here where he voted 14 minutes after Grandmaster [32] supporting his position and even claiming fringe opinion about a subject he didn’t seem to know anything about. Here we can check the history of Shushi Pogrom and see Jayvdb's persistent one sided interventions. Or Paytakaran where he introduced Grandmaster change by merging both versions etc. Apparently he now wants to become a clerk, I believe he should be restricted to enforce any policies concerning this case as a party to this case.
Those harassments have to suffice, Grandmaster was able to have Andranikpasha restricted, more than this would obviously be a bad faithed attempt to have him silenced. It is nothing more than a double standard, WhiteCat's actions on Commons are claimed to be irrelevant here, so lets be consistent and judge Andranikpasha according to his contributions here. Administrators canvassing and talking behind our backs has TO STOP!!! VartanM ( talk) 20:00, 5 January 2008 (UTC) reply
VartanM, I was not involved in the prior ban of Andranikpasha in any way; I didnt know of it until it was done. The vandalism here that I refer to here on enwiki is [43] [44] (Ashot) [45] [46] [47]. If you could translate those, there may be clues that help us with this inquiry.
Grandmaster's action on meta is definitely not a coincidence. I notified Grandmaster that the meta CU was underway once I had compiled enough evidence for me to feel comfortable that it warranted further inspection. Why are you surprised that I should notify Grandmaster, and he would register on meta as a result? Why is it of any consequence that Grandmaster found the Russian Andranikpasha user page instead of me finding it on on the first page of results for a simple search of Andranikpasha site:wikipedia.org. The crux of this investigation is that we have a very strong correlation between the Russian Andranikpasha, the IP range, and the English Andranikpasha, and the IP range has been attacking French admin Sand as recently as November 24, 2007. "DOWN WITH ADMIN SAND!" Note the French contributions by this IP range revolve around asserting that the name "Shushi" should be used [48] [49] [50]. This correlates closely with Andranikpasha's attempt to use Shushi as opposed to the name Shusha on the English article for the exact same topic Shusha pogrom (1920). I rejected this much like the French did in a similar NPOV discussion that determined that the Azeri "Şuşa" was preferrable.( fr:Wikipédia:Liste des articles non neutres/Massacres de Shushi) The diff you provide above shows my frustration with Andranikpasha's insistence that his approach at transliteration was correct, despite nobody else agreeing with him then or since. To construe this to mean that I was siding with Grandmaster is both misrepresenting what happened, and part of a disturbing pattern of Armenians calling for my head on a platter any time that I make a decision that they are not happy with. I renamed the article, after being involved in discussing the matter for an inordinate amount of time, with nobody agreeing with Andranikpasha that the prior name was correct.
These attacks are a serious matter, crossing many sub-domains, and my meta CU request was raised to shed light on the ongoing pattern so that admins on all wikis can put a stop to it continuing. VartanM, if the attacks that are raised in this CU are by the same Andranikpasha, his improved behaviour here on enWP can be attributed to your mentoring; please dont spoil that by shooting the messenger instead of heeding the message. Urge Andranikpasha to answer honestly and be part of the solution whichever way he responds. If he acknowledges that he was involved in these attacks, I would welcome you resuming your mentorship of the user, perhaps with another uninvolved admin keeping an eye on things. John Vandenberg ( talk) 07:46, 7 January 2008 (UTC) reply
User:Andranikpasha was placed on a supervision parole under Armenia-Azerbaijan 2 Arbcom [66]. He has also been warned just 4 days ago about another violation of his parole [67]. Today he reverted an edit by administrator at Thomas de Waal article, leaving no comment on the talk page again:
Clearly a revert of material, affirmed by a comment "critics readded which was deleted previously without any consensus" and without a comment at Talk:Thomas de Waal. Thanks. Atabek ( talk) 09:09, 9 January 2008 (UTC) reply
The situation is analogous to the one I presented a few weeks ago; only the user in question that needs our attention has changed. The user in question is Matthead ( talk · contribs · deleted contribs · nuke contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log) and he is a highly uncivil editor active in discussions related to various Eastern European topics, an area which has been subject to a series of recent ArbCom rulings noting the tendency for discussions and articles involving those subjects to deteriorate into wiki-battles, and the resulting need for civility enforcement. To be more specific: in the Piotrus case (closed on 19 August 2007), editors were reminded of the need to edit courteously and cooperatively in the future under the treat of further sanctions. In Digwuren's case (closed on 21 October 2007), several editors were banned, and the rest were warned not to use Wikipedia as the battleground and placed under general restriction ("should the editor make any edits which are judged by an administrator to be uncivil, personal attacks, or assumptions of bad faith, he may be blocked for the duration specified in the enforcement ruling below").
I believe that Matthead has constantly - for well over a year - crossed boundaries we expect our editors to keep. Below I will present a sample of his uncivil and disruptive edits that occurred since the last ArbCom ruling (Digwuren's case); please note that just a week ago User:Jossi, witnessing disruptive behavior of Matthead on this very forum, told him that " In looking at your edit history, I would argue that you need to be placed under the same restrictions specified at Wikipedia:Requests_for_arbitration/Digwuren#General_restriction" (technical note: there is even a dedicated template for this, see {{ Digwuren enforcement}}). It appears that this warning has had little effect on Matthead, just a few hours ago he has attacked me on my user page, with the obvious intent of trying to minimize my contributions, offend me and chase me away from this project: [68] (for some reason, he is evidently unhappy with me creating content - some of which was DYKed - related to Duchies of Silesia; his recent comments suggest I am a 'disruptive Polish nationalist' who should feel sorry for writing articles: [69], [70]). In either case, those edits of his represents only a tip of an iceberg; he has been uncivil and disruptive for a long time, and I believe that such behavior should not be permitted - especially since Digwuren's ArbCom made it clear it is not welcomed, and Matthead has been warned about it.
--
Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus|
talk 14:25, 3 January 2008 (UTC)
reply
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Metgethen_massacre
As one neutral editor remarked: [74] I understand German very well and I can say: the websources that are there do not even mention this event - only the events at Nemmersdorf. And very telling: the website that does not work mentions "Junge Freiheit" (a extreme rightwing/nationalist German weekly) and when I google the names of the people there I come to Nazi pages, revisionist pages that dare to list this "event" alongside Auschwitz and Dresden Matthead's responce was [75] Either User:Noclador does not understand German very well, or he is a liar, or both, as evident from above statement(..)In addition, User:Noclador attacks the Junge Freiheit as "a extreme rightwing/nationalist German weekly". This a newspaper was and is attacked by leftists as it exposes their shenanigans, yet defended by "the German Constitutional Court ruled in favour of the paper which can not be called right-wing-extremist". Frankly, noclador should be banned from English Wikipedia for spreading such lies
Such remarks seem incivil and provocative in my opinion
under the title "JEWISH RACE WAR CLAIMED 20 MILLION GERMAN LIVES" (sorry for bringing this rather ugly example).
In a discussion about medieval scholar other users received following remark: [77]I love those Polonophil & Germanophobe guys that brought us the Polish Corridor, one or two World wars, Odra-Nysa line, and Wikipedia naming conventions
I believe current actions of Matthead to be incivil and not productive, also his usage of sources and terminology is a matter of concern as they seem to be unreliable or coming from sources that aren't of best scholary nature. Some warning to stop such remarks and engage in friendly dialog with other users would be a good start, as well as better look at sources used.-- Molobo ( talk) 15:35, 3 January 2008 (UTC) reply
Giovanni33 was placed on revert parole (once per week, per article) here for a year, as was I. On the Jung Chang article he reverted 08:33, 31 December 2007 after a break of 1 week and 10 minutes (the previous revert was made 08:23, 24 December 2007. Such a tiny time difference indicates he is gaming the system. Furthermore I think reverting during the holiday season on Christmas and New Year's Eve is an example of him trying to get a revert advantage by hoping a user such as myself would be too busy to notice what he was doing. If he was acting in good-faith I believe he would have waited until after New Year's and made sure everyone was around - he didn't even leave a message on the talk page asking if people were there or not.
As can be seen on the talk page Giovanni33 frequently reverts, does the minimum to ensure he doesn't get banned by leaving a comment "explaining" his revert and then disappears for a week before he starts this again - his lack of discussion of the matters prior to reversion can be seen by his recent edit history.
He is disrupting the article by refusing to co-operate with other users. He continues to push his POV, despite the urges of myself and User:Fullstop for him to self-revert and gain consensus for his desired changes first. I gave him more than 24 hours to at least respond to our comments before reporting him here, but he has made no response. John Smith's ( talk) 14:28, 1 January 2008 (UTC) reply
Both warned. — Rlevse • Talk • 02:01, 8 January 2008 (UTC) reply
I have reviewed the situation and determined that Termer is incorrect in posting the message below opposing Thatcher's issuance of formal notices. Thatcher is an uninvolved administrator as he has only taken part in Eastern European topics for the purposes of Arbitration Enforcement. His issuing of these notices is therefore valid and all users who were issued a notice are therefore bound by it, despite the below note from Termer. I have determined that Termer's assumption of bad faith on Thatcher's part with regards for this matter and the disruptive behavior that resulted constituted a violation of the general restriction and warranted a 24 hour block. See here for full rationale. Thank you. Ioeth ( talk contribs friendly) 16:39, 8 January 2008 (UTC) reply
the related decision in the arbitration case Wikipedia:Requests_for_arbitration/Digwuren#General_restriction
Gatoclass justifies his opinions under an "Eastern European topic" with an ethnic epithet [78] The way I see the statment is spelled out by a third party ThuranX comment addressed to Gatoclass: your comments, as linked from that AN/I, are defintiely bigoted assumptions that those who opposed your edits all lump into some vague anti-you category of eastern europeans. You're making an ad hominem attack on all those opposing you, suggesting that all they are interested in is emotional outbursts, not rational thought, based on your presumptions about their origins.. Further on, instead of withdrawing the ethnic epithet, Gatoclass doesn't agree with calling the ethnic epithets "bigoted statements" according to ThuranX and has started harassing me who has agreed with ThuranX comment and ThuranX [79] with "Breach of WP:CIV"
I believe Gatoclass actions are in conflict with the decision of the arbitration case. Thanks!-- Termer ( talk) 06:16, 6 January 2008 (UTC) reply
PS. since Gatoclass should be well aware of the General restriction by now, I don't mind starting all over and I'd suggest, once again. Gatoclass please consider withdrawing the argument based on the 'presumptions about the other editors origins' so that the matter could be put behind us. There is no need to apologize to me personally since I can't be offended with such general remarks unlike many other editors have claimed they have and have asked for an apology from you, something you're are aware of. Thanks!-- Termer ( talk) 22:04, 7 January 2008 (UTC) reply
Response Section blanked to start over. Let's be very clear; this page is to request enforcement of Arbitration remedies, not to make rulings on article content. The ruling in this case says that editors of Eastern European topics who "make any edits which are judged by an administrator to be uncivil, personal attacks, or assumptions of bad faith...may be blocked for the duration specified in the enforcement ruling below." The ruling may be enforced only after the editor has been notified of the restriction. If you believe an editor has made personal attacks, failed to assume good faith, or been uncivil, please add some diffs here as examples, and admins will either warn the editor (if he has not already been warned), or block, or do nothing, depending on the evidence. No one will rule on the content of the article. Please use the dispute resolution process including RFC, third opinion, and mediation. If you believe that the dispute resolution process has already been tried and failed, you need to go back to Arbcom and ask for a review of the case to consider additional editing restrictions. Only the ruling against incivility, bad faith and personal attacks in enforceable. Thatcher 20:21, 7 January 2008 (UTC) reply
I've been uninvolved in this whole thing. What appears to be the root cause of this was after Gatoclass' AfD nomination was unanimously defeated, he assumed bad faith and justified his stance with an ethnic epithet here [80] and went on attack by tag warring, and lashing out at Termer when uninvolved third party ThuranX said of Gatoclass' uncivil behaviour: your comments, as linked from that AN/I, are defintiely bigoted assumptions that those who opposed your edits all lump into some vague anti-you category of eastern europeans. You're making an ad hominem attack on all those opposing you, suggesting that all they are interested in is emotional outbursts, not rational thought, based on your presumptions about their origins.. All that is being asked here is that Gatorclass be noticed in on the Digwuren general restriction. How hard is that? Martintg ( talk) 20:46, 7 January 2008 (UTC) reply
Thatcher I'm sorry but I'm not getting it why do you keep ignoring the diff [81] by Gatoclass that has been also listed in Martintg's posting. The only reason the third opinion by ThuranX is there, is to express my own understanding how exactly Gatoclass has been 'uncivil, used personal attacks, or assumptions of bad faith . Thanks!-- Termer ( talk) 21:16, 7 January 2008 (UTC) reply
Did I get it right Thatcher? in case I'd use one remark against about 12 of my opponents in a content dispute, lets say hypothetically: "you're all wrong because I think you might come from Africa" and would never admit there is anything wrong with it. It could be considered that it might be just a slip of the tongue and therefore it would be OK? In any case more diffs would be required to make sure what exactly was I talking about, hypothetically in this case?-- Termer ( talk) 01:56, 8 January 2008 (UTC) reply
I have been considerably upset by the personal attacks and harassment I have been subjected to now for days on end, largely because of dissenting views I expressed at Holodomor denial, culminating in the frivolous report against me here. In that regard, I prepared a case against my opponents - whom I believe that unlike me are clearly in breach of the Digwuren general restriction - which was also intended to serve as my defence against these charges. I posted that here last night but User:Thatcher removed it on the basis that it was too long and asked me to shorten it.
Having had some time to reflect, I feel obliged to make one final offer of reconciliation before pursuing this matter any further.
For my part, I concede that perhaps I behaved a little dickishly on my first arrival at the page. I was angered by the tag-team removal of the disputed tag I placed on the page and by the brush-off and bad faith assumptions I was subjected to on the talk page, and I think I overreacted, first by repeatedly restoring the tag, then by dragging the page to AFD, and finally by bringing the matter of tag removal before AN/I. It was only after I got almost no response to the tag removal complaint at AN/I, that I had cause to examine my prior assumption about the essential inviolability of a disputed tag placed by a user in good standing, and to reflect that my attitude to tag removal was a tad unrealistic and that therefore I may have overreacted. I maintain however, that there is no excuse for the avalanche of bad faith assumptions and at times quite hurtful personal attacks that were directed at me for taking the position I did.
If the other users involved in this dispute - primarily User:Turgidson, PetersV, User:ThuranX and User:Termer will now agree to withdraw this frivolous charge against me here, to withdraw their offensive remarks that I am "racist" and "bigoted" and to commit not to repeat them in future, and above all, to drop this relentless pursuit for an "apology" based on a bad faith assumption about the meaning of a single comment I made, then I in turn will agree to pursue this matter no further. Regards, Gatoclass ( talk) 06:03, 8 January 2008 (UTC) reply
RE: Thatcher "you're a bigot"? Please point out exactly where have I said things like "you're a bigot". I have never said anything like this! just that perhaps there is a difference saying "you're a racist" and agreeing with someone else's posting that a "racist statement" has been used?-- Termer ( talk) 06:33, 8 January 2008 (UTC) reply
Thatcher got it! the point you're making is that I should just stay cool and keep smiling to your interpretations of this case? I guess I do feel lucky since in case PetersV is getting notified for asking too many times for an apology for the ethnic epithet, it feels like I should have been straight out banned for agreeing with a senior editor who called it "bigoted statement". Since you do have history with me and PetersV and with EE topics in general [91], I don't think I can accept your opinions here as an "uninvolved administrator". And therefore I'm going to dismiss your notices, also the one given to User:Gatoclass and the ones given here before, since its not coming from an uninvolved administrator who has not been involved with the "EE" controversies before. Thanks! -- Termer ( talk) 08:12, 8 January 2008 (UTC) reply
TDC (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · block user · block log) is subject to an editing restriction for one year. He is prohibited from editing any page related in any way to the Winter Soldier Investigation, broadly interpreted. Should he do so, he may be blocked for the duration specified in the enforcement ruling below. [93]
At 15:44, 7 January 2008, TDC began editing Talk:Phoenix Program [94] an article related to the Winter Soldier Investigation. [95]. — Viriditas | Talk 00:29, 8 January 2008 (UTC) reply
Asgardian ( talk · contribs) - Made 2 reverts in less than a week [96], [97], (with the original edit that was a revert of over a weeks time [98]). This is violation of the user restriction agreement RfA:Asgardian-Tenebrae. This may or may not be a moot point as the use is currently blocked due to the agreement for similar edits on another page. - 66.109.248.114 ( talk) 05:05, 9 January 2008 (UTC). reply
There is an IP sock and an named sock, see Wikipedia:Requests_for_checkuser/Case/Asgardian, IP is blocked 3 weeks, named sock indef and Asgardian 1 week. I've this on this arb page. — Rlevse • Talk • 02:56, 11 January 2008 (UTC) reply
User:Pocopocopocopoco is mass reverting and reinserting the closed Wikiproject
[99] Karabakh tag, without leaving any comment
[100],
[101],
[102],
[103],
[104],
[105],
[106],
[107],
[108],
[109],
[110],
[111],
[112],
[113],
[114],
[115],
[116]. That's 17 reverts or (re)insertions within 30 minutes.
Atabek (
talk) 22:12, 1 January 2008 (UTC)
reply
The contributor is already involved in edit wars in several articles on the topic of Armenia-Azerbaijan. The relevant ArbCom stated a remedy on applicability to all disruptive editors, under which User:Aynabend and User:Andranikpasha have already been placed under parole for disruptive editing. That's why I reported the mass reverting to WP:AE as it deals specifically with Armenia-Azerbaijan related articles. Thanks. Atabek ( talk) 22:45, 1 January 2008 (UTC) reply
Bah. I've rolled back all his edits, which made no sense as that WikiProject isn't going to be allowed to exist for at least another month. Thinking about other stuff as well, maybe. Moreschi If you've written a quality article... 22:50, 1 January 2008 (UTC) reply
Hi, I want to state that I wasn't aware of any of this drama when I reverted back in the wikiproject template to the articles and I apologize if it's caused grief to anyone. The reason for the revert was summarized in the edit summary of my first revert. [117] I felt (and still feel) that adding this wikiproject would facilitate greater collaboration and participation to the articles and hence facilitate the improvement of the articles and the project. One of the areas that I edit are unrecognized countries and hence I joined this wikiproject and I find it useful to collaborate with other editors interested in Nagorno-Karabakh. I am neither a participant in WikiProject Armenia or WikiProject Azeri (although they are probably both interesting topics). My understanding is that Atabek's (and other peoples) concerns are with the image in the template. Could we lift the moratorium on this project if we change the template to a neutral template? Please see the template in Wikipedia:WikiProject_Abkhazia. Pocopocopocopoco ( talk) 04:53, 2 January 2008 (UTC) reply
The concern is that this is an ethnic POV project about a region which has diverse ethnic and historical identity. Nagorno-Karabakh is a conflict between Azeris and Armenians, between Azerbaijan and Armenia, not between Azeris and some non-existent ethnic group Karabakhis. History of Karabakh does not exist outside and independent of Azeri or Armenian domain. Atabek ( talk) 08:39, 2 January 2008 (UTC) reply
As I see it, the issue of Nagorno-Karabakh is the source of almost all the conflict between Armenian and Azeri editors. This conflict has reached fever pitch over the past few weeks, as anybody can tell from looking at this very Arbitration Enforcement page. We should be looking to cool things down not inflame them. Promoting Project:Karabakh right now is definitely not going to help matters. The only reason we have projects in the first place is to help build Wikipedia. They are not there to demonstrate editors' allegiance to a particular stance, although inevitably this is a big temptation with "national" projects. Nobody needs a project to edit a topic area anyway and people have worked on NK articles long before the existence of Project:Karabakh, which was virtually dormant until a couple of days ago. As I've said, we should be looking to turn the heat down on the current Armenia-Azerbaijan dispute on Wikipedia, otherwise I can see another ArbCom coming round the corner - and that will benefit nobody. -- Folantin ( talk) 09:33, 2 January 2008 (UTC) reply
Let's start with this: none of you should want to go down the route of Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/Armenia-Azerbaijan 3. The arbitrators will lose their patience and ban the lot of you, which would be sad, really. The conflicts over Nagorno-Karabakh have got to stop, or at the least slow down, because I know this could so easily be the blue touchpaper that gets everyone kicked out. Trust me: I spend a lot of time hanging around ArbCom-related stuff and know quite well the limits of the arbitrator's patience.
Another point is this: nobody needs a WikiProject to edit, and if it's collaboration needed or some such concept, use the talk page or existing projects - Wikipedia:WikiProject Armenia or WP:AZERI. Don't use this ghastly creation that's only going to aggravate one side of the conflict, is only ever going to push a POV, and as Vartan's "Maybe then you'll come to terms that Nagorno-Karabakh Republic exists" gives away, is only ever going to a statement of intent along the lines of "We believe in the NKR. Amen.".
That's pointless. It's got nothing to do with the encyclopaedia. You don't need to this WikiProject to do this. At the moment, both sides here are potentially staring at the abyss over the edge of the proverbial cliff edge - I urge you all to step back before you pull each other over. ArbCom is the whirlpool waiting at the bottom. Moreschi If you've written a quality article... 19:16, 2 January 2008 (UTC) reply
If I AGF, I'd say that you don't get it. NKR has a government, has schools, has libraries, has many other municipal infrastructures, has elections, has TV stations, newspapers etc., where, oh god where do those go? Project about Armenia?, project about Azerbaijan? Of course not. The Turkish republic of Northern Cyprus has its category, and has its flag on it, has all those emblems and logos which doesn't seem to bother the Greeks. And unlike what you claim, NK is not de-jure part of Azerbaijan, it is only officially part of Azerbaijan, NK used the Soviet law (legal) to separate itself, and declared its independence according to the law at about the same time as Azerbaijan. NK has a legal ground as a republic to exist, it is just that since Azerbaijan has oil, that NK is not recognized.
Are you telling me that you are willing to work for example in an article about the Armenian schools in NK? Armenian libraries, Armenian presidents in NK, ministers in NK etc.? Where have you ever contributed in those articles? You're making this as if you are prevented to contribute as if anything has ever prevented you to contribute before.
And we all know what happened when the Azerbaijan category was incorporated, users started removing Armenia and replace it with Caucasian Albania, removing Armenian and replacing it with Caucasian Albanians, adding Azerbaijani terms, for historic places, which were never called that way. By having one Wiki project about NK and replacing both Armenia and Azerbaijan is the only reasonable thing to do, all the other disputed territories have them, why shouldn't NK have one? VartanM ( talk) 19:47, 3 January 2008 (UTC) reply
Your assumption is original research, Artsakh declared independence before the Red Army invaded it, de jure is a legal concept, legally NK was never part of Azerbaijan, Nariman Narimanov who was the head the Soviet Azerbaijan threatened the Soviet Union to block its oil if NK was incorporated into Armenia. Since then, oil was an issue which passed before any laws (they already declared independence then), it is your original research to assume that oil which runs the politics on the region is not a factor. The Soviet Union does not exist anymore, and NK has used legal means to declare its independence. And the New England Center for International Law and Policy is not an obscure law school, the research here clearly say that NK has used legal means to declare its independence according to the Soviet Law, if we are not going to respect Soviet Law, then the pre-Soviet NK also declared its independence.
NK is only officially part of Azerbaijan, not De Jure, according to law NK should be independent, Azerbaijan is aware of this, thats why they boycotted every conflict resolution where NK is represented, because NK unlike Armenia has bases to apply to Hague according to the specific article on territorial claims which requires the two party to be present, Armenia is not considered to be a party according to Hague article on disputed territories while NK is. Various other articles also claim that the legal process was followed under which NK declared independence, like this. [ Here from a history course, it doesn't even say de facto or officially.
For decades NK has used legal Soviet means to gain independence from Azerbaijan, which were almost always granted and then reversed because Soviet Azerbaijan used its oil resources to threaten and have what it wanted even if the requests were made according to law. If Azerbaijan didn't have oil, NK would have never been granted to it in the first place. CIA declassified files show that US government underground is very well aware that NK has for centuries been semi-autonomous under the rule of Armenian princes and was as an Armenia's cultural and religious center [123], [124]. Even during the Soviet era, the CIA recognized the legitimacy of NK requests when it was again brought to the table (in 1978): the inhabitants of another turbulent area in the Caucasus, the Nagorno-Karabakh Autonomous Oblast, are able to make a better argument that their oblast should be transferred from one republic to another. The Karabakh Oblast is part of Azerbaydzhan, yet over 80 percent of its population is Armenian and it lies close to the border of the Armenian Republic. In 1975, according to the Azerbaydzhan Republic newspaper, virtually the entire leadership of the Karabakh Oblast was ousted for supporting a movement to detach the oblast from Azerbaydzhan and join it to Armenia. [125]
Given that Artsakh has a history of over 2 thousand years, which had kingdoms, principalities etc., and which is now currently an unrecognized republic, which has a VERY OLD history OLDER than Azerbaijan, it is legitimate to have such a wikiproject. It is not part of Azerbaijani history, nor the article is about Azerbaijan, and it's not part of current Armenia and not its Wikiproject, you can do this as the way you want, but it is obvious that a wikiproject of this entity should exist. As for your request to assume good faith, I wasn't specifically refering to you, but the general thrend to turn Armenian churchs as Albanian, the Armenian scholars as Albanians, the Armenian population as Albanian, Armenian princes as Albanian, Armenian principalities as Albanian and to make matter worst dump them as part of Azerbaijani history. The only legitimate move would be that Artsakh has its category with its own separate wikiproject. VartanM ( talk) 01:24, 4 January 2008 (UTC) reply
Excuse me for interference but I am not sure why every WP:AE is being turned into WP:SOAP forum. VartanM, Andranikpasha and Pocopocopocopoco, would you mind to check WP:Kosovo, before commenting further on whether Wikipedia:WikiProject Karabakh, with map that was never NK as its symbol, is appropriate? And by the way, based on this example, may I ask administrators to have Wikipedia:WikiProject Karabakh forward to WP:AZERI instead of Wikiproject Armenia. Thanks. Atabek ( talk) 01:49, 9 January 2008 (UTC) reply
Sure, I don't mind having WikiProject Karabakh being forwarded to WP:AZERI, in which I am already participant. I doubt any other WP:AZERI participant would mind either. Atabek ( talk) 23:34, 10 January 2008 (UTC) reply
The Arbitration Committee has placed this article on probation. Editors making disruptive edits may be banned by an administrator from this and related articles, or other reasonably related pages.
The article is about a conservative Internet forum. User:Eschoir is a former member of that forum who was permanently banned in 1998 for creating nearly 100 sockpuppet accounts for purposes of disruption. Despite the obvious WP:COI issue, there was AGF with User:Fred Bauder (as evidenced on Eschoir's Talk page). Since that time, Eschoir was effectively left to edit the article by himself and he gradually brought it more and more out of compliance with WP:NPOV.
At one point, he added an edit containing the word "penis" describing an alleged event involving two real people: Kristinn Taylor, a prominent participant at Free Republic, and another participant using the alias "Dr. Raoul." Since the article isn't about a topic dealing with sexuality or medicine, this immediately attracted my attention regarding a possible BLP violation. (Since then, Eschoir has admitted that the alleged event never occurred.)
I placed a final warning for vandalism on Eschoir's Talk page and started actively editing the article to bring it into NPOV compliance, and ever since that moment, he has been making false WP:SOCK accusations, and occupied territory that's best described as a continuous violation of WP:NPOV, WP:TE, WP:DE, WP:AGF and WP:DBAD. This is a perfect example of why COI editors need to be watched closely. Please take the necessary action. 68.31.123.238 ( talk) 19:27, 8 January 2008 (UTC) reply
See you there in about 24-48 hours. 68.31.123.238 ( talk) 02:16, 9 January 2008 (UTC) reply
Closing. — Rlevse • Talk • 03:13, 11 January 2008 (UTC) reply
Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/COFS
Since I don't want it to appear as though I've been seeking this editor out, I just want to get it noted that I'm not. Bearing in mind that the committee ruled that this editor and myself should limit our interactions, he has begun editing pages I have been active on and posting on my talk page, I'll include these in roughly chronological order;
I don't mind dealing with this person, however I'm concerned that it could be interpreted that I'm flouting the ruling. Moreover since it was found that I had harassed him without actually seeking him out, I don't want that to happen again. Anynobody 01:20, 10 January 2008 (UTC) reply
I appreciate your apology, but it's not that you're making me uncomfortable so much as this is exactly the way we came to the previous disagreement. You may or may not remember that I was editing Barbara Schwarz when BabyDweezil asked for your assistance. From there my attempt at coming to a mutual understanding with you over a minor issue as well as concerns you expressed about my understanding of guidelines was rebuffed. So another user, also experiencing difficulty with you, and I attempted to seek dispute resolution, long story made short it ended with you saying I was harassing you in the Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/COFS case.
Here we are disagreeing again, if it continues we'll have to seek WP:DR again as well. We're essentially going down the same road, and you're driving. (That's all I want to make sure is noted to address any concerns of harassment on my part.) Anynobody 21:25, 10 January 2008 (UTC) reply
Closing, see note at top. — Rlevse • Talk • 03:19, 11 January 2008 (UTC) reply
Are you saying that I'm supposed to request/suggest a remedy, which I didn't, or that the arbcom case's remedy is vague? Anynobody 04:10, 11 January 2008 (UTC) reply
Thank you for responding Thatcher, the discussion has touched on my main concern, but I'll clarify it a bit more. In discussing the unequal nature of the ruling, Justanother says :*Well, the whole reason for the unequal treatment in the arb is that I was deemed the "victim" (or perhaps "harassee" is a better term). The first discussion of any type of harassment was allegations of "pestering" Justanother, despite him being unable to identify when I had actually done any pestering: Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/COFS/Workshop#Mutual pestering ban between Anynobody and Justanother. Not long afterward it turned into this: Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/COFS/Proposed decision#Harassment of User:Justanother by User:Anynobody. I honestly can't think of any harassment I've done, so I asked what the harassing behavior was: Wikipedia talk:Requests for arbitration/COFS/Proposed decision#Harassment ? the response I got was a bit difficult to believe. I was never able to get a clear understanding of what I had done, and they didn't say why they found I had harassed him: as you might have noticed in the earlier link (this one's included just for convenience in case it wasn't seen).
I'm not presenting any assumptions about Justanother, however since
and
I just want to get it on record that as before contact was initiated by him, so at least it could be questioned why one would go back for "more punishment" should the subject come up again. Anynobody 02:01, 12 January 2008 (UTC) reply
Right, I did indeed read your post, and I guess it's difficult reconciling that with what actually happened. You'll find that any time I held you up to community scrutiny it was done citing a concern for a policy/guideline and was much less, shall we say "public" than how you held me or others up to the same scrutiny (These are all threads started by you on WP:ANI, minus templates like {{ userlinks}} etc.):
You held Smee up to way more scrutiny than I ever did you. Here's a quick sample to refresh your memory:
There were actually others too:
When/where did I alone ever hold you up to the kind of community scrutiny that matches the level of what you were doing at the same time to several editors (including me) on WP:ANI? I'd really like to know and these links should help, Special:Contributions/Anynobody and Special:Contributions/Anyeverybody Anynobody 05:55, 13 January 2008 (UTC) reply
Seriously, you did this crap in the arb also and you were cautioned there. One thing I have noticed about you, AN, is that you refuse to "get it" and you will prove that you refuse to "get it" every chance you get. -- JustaHulk ( talk) 06:21, 13 January 2008 (UTC) reply
Could you please provide a diff from the arbcom where I pulled "this crap" and was told why what I did was like/unlike this? (Seriously, I'm not holding a grudge I just can't remember doing anything like what I've identified as harassment. Would you please just show where/when I did the same thing?) Anynobody 06:49, 13 January 2008 (UTC) reply
Anynobody is violating the "no harassment ruling" right here, right now. See above. I was trying in good faith to explain to him the difference between acceptable behavior and prohibited behavior as he continually says that he doesn't know what he is supposed to do under the arb ruling and he grossly breaks it right here. Please someone help him! -- JustaHulk ( talk) 06:25, 13 January 2008 (UTC) reply
FYI, this is exactly the sort of thing that will get you blocked if the remedies regarding your behavior toward Justanother pass. -- jpgordon ∇∆∇∆ 15:04, 3 September 2007 (UTC)
Well, the remedies did pass and AN's egregious violation above calls for their application. I, for one, am kinda out of WP:AGF as regards this cat. The above was the last straw for me. -- JustaHulk ( talk) 15:04, 13 January 2008 (UTC) replyUnbefuckinglievable. "I'm just using [Justanother] as an example." Again and again and again: Justanother the eternal example. Jpgordon, the proposed harassment remedy and its enforcement by blocks are clearly going to pass. May we have a temporary harassment injunction right now to cover the time up to when they formally pass? Bishonen | talk 20:02, 3 September 2007 (UTC).
Here's an example of how Anynobody masterfully uses the trolling tactics of pestering and misuse of process to create disruption. Its the same "I am not complaining about you, just using you as an example" ploy that Bishonen found "unbefuckinglievable". Anynobody had no issues with me until I came to the defense of Justanother. (Since Bishonen is away, I feel obligated, and Anynobody's timing in filing this complaint is not lost on me.) The COFS dispute has lingered for a very long time. I think it's time for strict enforcement of the remedies against Anynobody. Jehochman Talk 18:47, 13 January 2008 (UTC) reply
Comments on the article's talk page by this party involved in the dispute contain several uncivil remarks that could be considered inflammatory to the situation and would contravene Principles 1 (Editorial Process) and 3 (Assume Good Faith) and would go against Remedy No. 3 - Disruptive Editing (which extends to any related article or page).
http://en.wikipedia.org/?title=Talk%3AJohn_Buscema&diff=183100476&oldid=183004684
Some of the offending passages, all referring to the other party of the ArbCom ruling :
'As for the version of the article to which Skyelarke links, it is a hagiographic, fan-magazine travesty...'
'...purposefully misleading statements, however, I believe need to be addressed in forceful terms....'
"A lie can travel halfway 'round the world before the truth gets out the front door."
'One can't let the goaders get your goat.'
-- 70.48.122.29 ( talk) 11:07, 9 January 2008 (UTC) reply
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Requests_for_arbitration/John_Buscema
CC of posting placed at [[[User_talk:Rlevse]]
Additional note here: I find it troubling that the accusation against me was made by an anonymous IP that seems to be a sock-puppet of User:Skyelarke, as evidenced by this sequence: [133], [134] -- Tenebrae ( talk) 15:30, 12 January 2008 (UTC) reply
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Requests_for_arbitration/John_Buscema
Comments on the article's talk page by this party involved in the dispute contain several uncivil assumption of bad faith remarks that could be considered inflammatory to the situation and would contravene Principles 1 (Editorial Process) and 3 (Assume Good Faith) and would go against Remedy No. 3 - Disruptive Editing (which extends to any related article or page).
http://en.wikipedia.org/?title=Talk%3AJohn_Buscema&diff=183857439&oldid=183854034
The offending remark, all referring to the other party of the ArbCom ruling :
' ... I made corrections to such things as an unfounded claim you attributed to that book. '
'Please, I ask you again, as I have numerous times: Do not say things you know are untrue. It's neither reasonable nor fair to make another editor frequently have to point out untruths.'
-- Skyelarke ( talk) 22:03, 12 January 2008 (UTC) reply
Unfortunately the corrections that I'm suggesting are basic and necessary and, I thought, uncontentious - I don't enjoy making these enforcement notices - but am doing them diligently early on so as to ensure a future civil discussion atmosphere - If you feel that I've been disruptive, you're welcome to report it, no hard feelings - if it improves the level of civility on the page, then all the better.
-- Skyelarke ( talk) 23:16, 12 January 2008 (UTC) reply
Cool, but at this point I just feel that if Tenebrae, yourself, or anyone has the concerns about my conduct that both of you are expressing, it's probably better to just go with the ArbCom remedy process and make an enforcement notice - that way objective proof is provided and a qualified administrator will look into it and it will get properly handled and documented. A friendly suggestion - look, I'm even smiling :)
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Response Skyelark and Tenebrae, the Wikipedia editing process is very simple. If you can not resolve a dispute by amicable discussion, you involved additional outside editors. In this case, for example, that may mean asking someone neutral at Wikiproject:Comics to get a copy of the same book and double-check your interpretations. If you can not learn to resolve your disputes amicably and through discussion and consensus, the ban on editing the article will be extended. Thatcher 12:24, 13 January 2008 (UTC) reply
User:ScienceApologist appears to have violated WP:CANVASS by leaving non-neutral notices on user talk pages, a Wikiproject page and a noticeboard, as well as violating his ArbCom editing restrictions by making uncivil comments and assumptions of bad faith.
"Neutrally worded notifications sent to a small number of editors are considered "friendly notices" if they are intended to improve rather than to influence a discussion " "Always keep the message neutral"
The non-neutral and bad faith statements made by ScienceApologist:
ScienceApologist also posted a bad-faith, uncivil personal comment on another editor's talk page, saying "I'm sorry that you are ignorant of physics and haven't been able to understand the sources I cited." [139].
ScienceApologist has also assumed bad faith and made uncivil accusations in edit summaries,
Also, opinions are welcome on ScienceApologist's use of WP:SPADE regarding the contents of an article: [142].
Dreadstar † 23:56, 9 January 2008 (UTC) reply
I don't see how stating that someone is "ignorant of physics" is a personal attack. Most of my family members and friends would agree that they can be fairly characterized as such. This looks like yet another "let's poke SA with a stick and see if we can get him to blow up" thread. Raymond Arritt ( talk) 01:14, 10 January 2008 (UTC) reply
All--This is an arb enforcement page, not a debate page. — Rlevse • Talk • 02:02, 10 January 2008 (UTC) reply
Considering that ScienceApologist's last block came as the result of calling other editors POV pushers, regardless of how astute that observation may really have been, he's toeing the line in a few of the diffs Dreadstar provided. However, many of those diffs aren't particularly relevant to his ArbCom restrictions in the first place. I don't see anything wrong with the WP:SPADE edit. And while calling someone "ignorant of physics" might be worded a little sharply (even though the person in question may very well be ignorant of physics), I don't see how we can simply assume it was done out of bad faith. And as far as WP:CANVASS goes, it's merely a behavioral guideline. Correct me if I missed something, but it was four edits, and you could've just left him a note on his talk page about it. I don't see any blatant attacks on other editors, so I see no clear and pressing need for arbitration enforcement. ScienceApologist should be more careful about calling out others for POV pushing, given the way civility guidelines are enforced, but a block would be overkill. -- RG 2 11:37, 10 January 2008 (UTC) reply
There doesn't seem to be much consensus that he did to a degree that anything other than has been said is necessary, reviewing the comments of 4 different admins above. There's nothing left to do here, case is closed. FeloniousMonk ( talk) 06:10, 13 January 2008 (UTC) reply
This relates again to the COFS arb. I am sorry to have multiple issues going here but I need some help with Olberon ( talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log). I made a much-needed edit to the WP:EL at Scientology ( | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views). On 9 Jan, I announced my intention to make these edits on the talk page [144] and received only a little discussion but agreement that some work was needed on the links. Two days later, on 11 Jan, I made the edit [145]. The edit stood and for the next two days a number of regular editors had a bit of discussion on the talk page about one link or another but no major objections to what I had did. Now comes Olberon and edit-wars with me over the inclusion. He has gone 2RR and I went 1RR so now my edit stands undone. I will not go 2RR on a page under article probation so I am at a disadvantage. Will someone please ask Olberon to self-revert and warn him about edit-warring under article probation. He ignored my warning. Thanks. -- JustaHulk ( talk) 16:02, 13 January 2008 (UTC) reply
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Dacy69 ( talk · contribs) has a long history of blocks for edit warring and is back at it after being absent for three months. The first thing he did after coming back was a mass removal of the WPNK tag, with the following edit summary "there is no such thing as Artsakh except armenian name of Azerbaijani region. It is clear attempt to legitimaze illegal entity" This was very disruptive and uncalled for. Not to mention Armenia being in lowercase. VartanM ( talk) 19:51, 31 December 2007 (UTC) reply
I think we can conclude with this thread, a continuation of which seems to be taking place below. El_C 23:26, 1 January 2008 (UTC) reply
Reverting my edit on the talk page calling it "vandalism" [2]? I am not sure if this is civil, when I clearly provided a rationale for the removal of the tag [3]. This project Wikipedia:WikiProject Karabakh is clearly a divisive nationalist WP:POV push by a group of contributors. The icon map used for this project is a pure provocative fabrication, as Nagorno-Karabakh never had such borders neither as administrative division within Soviet Azerbaijan nor as unrecognized military establishment of Armenia. But what's most disturbing is that some members of this project are trying to rid Wikipedia of any historical reference to word Azerbaijan or Azeri, examples [4], [5]. Thanks. Atabek ( talk) 13:12, 31 December 2007 (UTC) reply
Come on, guys, please! This isn't helping anyone. Step back a bit before you all get yourselves banned at Armenia-Azerbaijan 3. Deciding to promote Wikiproject:Karabakh at this point in time is a seriously bad idea. Can't you see how much Armenian and Azeri users are trying admins' patience here with the eternal edit-warring over Nagorno-Karabakh? How about a moratorium on NK articles for at least a month. Surely there's plenty to work on elsewhere. Remember, Wikipedia is not a battleground. -- Folantin ( talk) 18:22, 31 December 2007 (UTC) reply
Removing the project tag because you don't like it, is called vandalism. Happy New Year to all. VartanM ( talk) 19:32, 31 December 2007 (UTC) reply
Happy New Year everybody. Let's just try and make 2008 calmer in this neck of the woods if we can. -- Folantin ( talk) 20:43, 31 December 2007 (UTC) reply
I agree with Folantin, and have killed the WikiProject for a month. Everyone, please take a break - or at least fight elsewhere. Happy New Year to everyone. Cheers, Moreschi If you've written a quality article... 21:55, 31 December 2007 (UTC) reply
Indeed, Nagorno-Karabakh topic is quite disturbing and annoying already as an article to further make a project out of it. Happy New Year and all the best to all! Atabek ( talk) 10:43, 1 January 2008 (UTC) reply
Andranikpasha, please, refer to WP:SOAP regarding "its exists!". It's not disturbing to me as a subject, what's disturbing is that Nagorno-Karabakh article and any subject mentioning it is a subject of edit wars since the start of Wikipedia. So creation of POV project under this name will not serve well to Wikipedia. Atabek ( talk) 14:10, 1 January 2008 (UTC) reply
I don't think User:Pocopocopocopoco is quite listening to what some administrators commented on above. He again reinserted the Karabakh Wikiproject tag back into the talk page [6]. Thanks. Atabek ( talk) 21:38, 1 January 2008 (UTC) reply
I am respectfully asking for enforcement under
Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/COFS, specifically
Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/COFS/Proposed decision#Article probation.
Anyeverybody (
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Anynobody (
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block log) or AN) is violating the intent of the
DRV on
Barbara Schwarz (
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WP:POVFORKs of deleted materials. He added a long bit to
Neutral reportage,
here, giving clear undue weight to Schwarz. He did the same at
Freedom of Information Act (United States),
here, in which he put her on a par with
J. Edgar Hoover and
Ronald Reagan. He apparently recreated the deleted article as a disamb page which was then undone and the page protected. He is engaging in
WP:BLP-violating discussion of her mental state on a user talk page (
User talk:Tilman#Barbara Schwarz and Scientology).
I am well familiar with AN's tenacity when he takes an interest in a subject as I was once the object of his attention and it took an arb ruling to get him to back off (
Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/COFS/Proposed decision#Anynobody prohibited from harassing Justanother). I am respectfully requesting that an administrator please inform AN is no uncertain terms to back off on Schwarz. It is of note that the DRV page itself was blanked. AN should stop with the undue attention to Schwarz. This project has made its decision as regards her and he must abide by it and not try to find ways around it. As far as his POV forks, I have fixed most of the one at
Neutral reportage as that one was a no-brainer but I would appreciate if an uninvolved party would take care of the undue weight at
Freedom of Information Act (United States). Thank you and Happy New Year. --
JustaHulk (
talk) 15:16, 31 December 2007 (UTC)
reply
elsewhere. Thatcher 04:21, 1 January 2008 (UTC) reply
Additional response Upon further developments, Anyeverybody is banned from making any Barbara Schwarz-related edits in any article for 30 days.
http://en.wikipedia.org/?title=User_talk:Anyeverybody&oldid=179970442]
Thatcher 02:05, 2 January 2008 (UTC)
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Violation of Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/MONGO#Links to ED by bypassing the spam blacklist using I'm Feeling Lucky. Keeps trolling for a link addition. Will ( talk) 00:40, 3 January 2008 (UTC) reply
Totally support this block, we don't need this bunk. I've noted it on the arb case block list too. — Rlevse • Talk • 22:07, 4 January 2008 (UTC) reply
Can somebody please have a good look at Ireland101 ( talk · contribs) and Tsourkpk ( talk · contribs) and apply Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/Macedonia#Discretionary sanctions as seen fit? These guys have been fighting a bit too much for my taste recently. I'd do something myself, but I'm probably a bit too non-uninvolved by the Arbcom's current standards. Fut.Perf. ☼ 09:36, 31 December 2007 (UTC) reply
I've put Ireland101 on revert parole and logged it, holding off for now on other actions (which I believe are needed). Kékrōps ( talk · contribs) is also coming up reverting in quite a few of those page histories listed above. Thoughts? Moreschi If you've written a quality article... 17:11, 31 December 2007 (UTC) reply
Andranikpasha warned to avoid future violations of revert parole. White Cat is admonished for stirring the pot and trying to cause more flame-warring. Moreschi If you've written a quality article... 14:58, 5 January 2008 (UTC) reply
"a radical turkish site on Armenian "allegations" is not acceptible. see the admin comments." That is in violation of the revert parole. Also the edit summary is inadequate as the removed site is a US Department of Defense funded non-profit organization. -- Cat chi? 15:36, 4 January 2008 (UTC)
White Cat has a history of trying to add entirely inappropriate sources to that ASALA page. Nobody has edited it since December 30, so his latest complaint seems like stirring. He seems to have a bee in his bonnet about the Armenians so I'd favour a restriction on his editing on this topic area. -- Folantin ( talk) 16:11, 4 January 2008 (UTC) reply
Andranikpasha's not getting blocked today, you can't apply revert parole retrospectively. Moreschi If you've written a quality article... 17:11, 4 January 2008 (UTC) reply
This is issue is being properly handled over at ANI. [26]. VartanM ( talk) 06:27, 5 January 2008 (UTC) reply
Grandmaster, do you think the "Strong technical correlation between the Andranikpasha ID on many wikis and 217.118.95.* (or 217.118.95.0/24)" means "history of disruptive activity of Andranikpasha across various Wikimedia projects, including vandalism in English wiki"? One more pseudo-propagand and falsification of the text? Andranikpasha ( talk) 14:14, 5 January 2008 (UTC) reply
I'm sorry I missed this thread before it closed, (I would have welcomed a nudge to come participate) but I and other CUs have been investigating this for some time. Let me reiterate, there is a strong technical correlation between Andranikpasha and the IP range 217.118.95.* (or 217.118.95.0/24) on this wiki and on many many (I ran checks on a LOT of wikis as part of this investigation using my shiny new Steward buttons) other wikis. On many other wikis the sole contributions made by users and IPs in this range (that is, by this user, see "strong technical correlation") are to attack other users (a persistent pattern is after an admin takes action on one wiki regarding this user, this user attacks or vandalises that admin's pages on many other wikis) or to disruptively interfere in the smooth functioning of the wiki. While en:wp does not and should not take what other wikis decide to do as the sole guide to what to do, it would not be prudent to completely disregard this user's history and behaviour patterns elsewhere. I would suggest the reason this user has been relatively well behaved here is because this user is being closely watched. Several other wikis have banned this user, or blocked the IP range. My conclusion is that this user is a persistent and disruptive vandal and trouble maker and I recommend at the very least that a very close watch be kept in accordance with the parole. Myself I would have just blocked the user completely here and been done with it. I welcome any questions or concerns. ++ Lar: t/ c 15:50, 5 January 2008 (UTC) reply
If Andranikpasha was indeed banned from other language Wiki’s, he was then punished for what he did. According to which policies is it acceptable to watch over his other contributions in other Wikis to punish him here?
If indeed using evidences from other Wikipedi’s are valid, then in this case there are evidences of members canvassing to have Andranikpasha banned from English Wikipedia. Grandmaster's first post on meta was on 09:16, 21 December 2007 [30], only few hours after Jayvdb made his checkuser request on Andranikpasha [31]. With his limited knowledge of Russian, (he doesn’t even claims to know it in his userpage), Jayvdb managed to make such a history of Andranikpasha's contribution on Russian Wikipedia. It would have taken some basic mastering of the Russian language to know according to the contributions and have verification on that Ashot account. We know very well that on English Wikipedia Andranikpasha was first banned because of Grandmaster's attempt to have him banned; we also know that Grandmaster who masters Russian is also a regular contributor on Russian Wikipedia. I don’t think there is any coincidence or it is too much far fetched to say that Jayvdb proxies for Grandmaster by posting those evidences gathered by Grandmaster to request a checkuser. What use these really have if not to bring it over to English Wikipedia to further discredit Andranikpasha?
Jayvdb has a long history of coming to Grandmaster’s defense in an interval of few minutes, like here where he voted 14 minutes after Grandmaster [32] supporting his position and even claiming fringe opinion about a subject he didn’t seem to know anything about. Here we can check the history of Shushi Pogrom and see Jayvdb's persistent one sided interventions. Or Paytakaran where he introduced Grandmaster change by merging both versions etc. Apparently he now wants to become a clerk, I believe he should be restricted to enforce any policies concerning this case as a party to this case.
Those harassments have to suffice, Grandmaster was able to have Andranikpasha restricted, more than this would obviously be a bad faithed attempt to have him silenced. It is nothing more than a double standard, WhiteCat's actions on Commons are claimed to be irrelevant here, so lets be consistent and judge Andranikpasha according to his contributions here. Administrators canvassing and talking behind our backs has TO STOP!!! VartanM ( talk) 20:00, 5 January 2008 (UTC) reply
VartanM, I was not involved in the prior ban of Andranikpasha in any way; I didnt know of it until it was done. The vandalism here that I refer to here on enwiki is [43] [44] (Ashot) [45] [46] [47]. If you could translate those, there may be clues that help us with this inquiry.
Grandmaster's action on meta is definitely not a coincidence. I notified Grandmaster that the meta CU was underway once I had compiled enough evidence for me to feel comfortable that it warranted further inspection. Why are you surprised that I should notify Grandmaster, and he would register on meta as a result? Why is it of any consequence that Grandmaster found the Russian Andranikpasha user page instead of me finding it on on the first page of results for a simple search of Andranikpasha site:wikipedia.org. The crux of this investigation is that we have a very strong correlation between the Russian Andranikpasha, the IP range, and the English Andranikpasha, and the IP range has been attacking French admin Sand as recently as November 24, 2007. "DOWN WITH ADMIN SAND!" Note the French contributions by this IP range revolve around asserting that the name "Shushi" should be used [48] [49] [50]. This correlates closely with Andranikpasha's attempt to use Shushi as opposed to the name Shusha on the English article for the exact same topic Shusha pogrom (1920). I rejected this much like the French did in a similar NPOV discussion that determined that the Azeri "Şuşa" was preferrable.( fr:Wikipédia:Liste des articles non neutres/Massacres de Shushi) The diff you provide above shows my frustration with Andranikpasha's insistence that his approach at transliteration was correct, despite nobody else agreeing with him then or since. To construe this to mean that I was siding with Grandmaster is both misrepresenting what happened, and part of a disturbing pattern of Armenians calling for my head on a platter any time that I make a decision that they are not happy with. I renamed the article, after being involved in discussing the matter for an inordinate amount of time, with nobody agreeing with Andranikpasha that the prior name was correct.
These attacks are a serious matter, crossing many sub-domains, and my meta CU request was raised to shed light on the ongoing pattern so that admins on all wikis can put a stop to it continuing. VartanM, if the attacks that are raised in this CU are by the same Andranikpasha, his improved behaviour here on enWP can be attributed to your mentoring; please dont spoil that by shooting the messenger instead of heeding the message. Urge Andranikpasha to answer honestly and be part of the solution whichever way he responds. If he acknowledges that he was involved in these attacks, I would welcome you resuming your mentorship of the user, perhaps with another uninvolved admin keeping an eye on things. John Vandenberg ( talk) 07:46, 7 January 2008 (UTC) reply
User:Andranikpasha was placed on a supervision parole under Armenia-Azerbaijan 2 Arbcom [66]. He has also been warned just 4 days ago about another violation of his parole [67]. Today he reverted an edit by administrator at Thomas de Waal article, leaving no comment on the talk page again:
Clearly a revert of material, affirmed by a comment "critics readded which was deleted previously without any consensus" and without a comment at Talk:Thomas de Waal. Thanks. Atabek ( talk) 09:09, 9 January 2008 (UTC) reply
The situation is analogous to the one I presented a few weeks ago; only the user in question that needs our attention has changed. The user in question is Matthead ( talk · contribs · deleted contribs · nuke contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log) and he is a highly uncivil editor active in discussions related to various Eastern European topics, an area which has been subject to a series of recent ArbCom rulings noting the tendency for discussions and articles involving those subjects to deteriorate into wiki-battles, and the resulting need for civility enforcement. To be more specific: in the Piotrus case (closed on 19 August 2007), editors were reminded of the need to edit courteously and cooperatively in the future under the treat of further sanctions. In Digwuren's case (closed on 21 October 2007), several editors were banned, and the rest were warned not to use Wikipedia as the battleground and placed under general restriction ("should the editor make any edits which are judged by an administrator to be uncivil, personal attacks, or assumptions of bad faith, he may be blocked for the duration specified in the enforcement ruling below").
I believe that Matthead has constantly - for well over a year - crossed boundaries we expect our editors to keep. Below I will present a sample of his uncivil and disruptive edits that occurred since the last ArbCom ruling (Digwuren's case); please note that just a week ago User:Jossi, witnessing disruptive behavior of Matthead on this very forum, told him that " In looking at your edit history, I would argue that you need to be placed under the same restrictions specified at Wikipedia:Requests_for_arbitration/Digwuren#General_restriction" (technical note: there is even a dedicated template for this, see {{ Digwuren enforcement}}). It appears that this warning has had little effect on Matthead, just a few hours ago he has attacked me on my user page, with the obvious intent of trying to minimize my contributions, offend me and chase me away from this project: [68] (for some reason, he is evidently unhappy with me creating content - some of which was DYKed - related to Duchies of Silesia; his recent comments suggest I am a 'disruptive Polish nationalist' who should feel sorry for writing articles: [69], [70]). In either case, those edits of his represents only a tip of an iceberg; he has been uncivil and disruptive for a long time, and I believe that such behavior should not be permitted - especially since Digwuren's ArbCom made it clear it is not welcomed, and Matthead has been warned about it.
--
Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus|
talk 14:25, 3 January 2008 (UTC)
reply
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Metgethen_massacre
As one neutral editor remarked: [74] I understand German very well and I can say: the websources that are there do not even mention this event - only the events at Nemmersdorf. And very telling: the website that does not work mentions "Junge Freiheit" (a extreme rightwing/nationalist German weekly) and when I google the names of the people there I come to Nazi pages, revisionist pages that dare to list this "event" alongside Auschwitz and Dresden Matthead's responce was [75] Either User:Noclador does not understand German very well, or he is a liar, or both, as evident from above statement(..)In addition, User:Noclador attacks the Junge Freiheit as "a extreme rightwing/nationalist German weekly". This a newspaper was and is attacked by leftists as it exposes their shenanigans, yet defended by "the German Constitutional Court ruled in favour of the paper which can not be called right-wing-extremist". Frankly, noclador should be banned from English Wikipedia for spreading such lies
Such remarks seem incivil and provocative in my opinion
under the title "JEWISH RACE WAR CLAIMED 20 MILLION GERMAN LIVES" (sorry for bringing this rather ugly example).
In a discussion about medieval scholar other users received following remark: [77]I love those Polonophil & Germanophobe guys that brought us the Polish Corridor, one or two World wars, Odra-Nysa line, and Wikipedia naming conventions
I believe current actions of Matthead to be incivil and not productive, also his usage of sources and terminology is a matter of concern as they seem to be unreliable or coming from sources that aren't of best scholary nature. Some warning to stop such remarks and engage in friendly dialog with other users would be a good start, as well as better look at sources used.-- Molobo ( talk) 15:35, 3 January 2008 (UTC) reply
Giovanni33 was placed on revert parole (once per week, per article) here for a year, as was I. On the Jung Chang article he reverted 08:33, 31 December 2007 after a break of 1 week and 10 minutes (the previous revert was made 08:23, 24 December 2007. Such a tiny time difference indicates he is gaming the system. Furthermore I think reverting during the holiday season on Christmas and New Year's Eve is an example of him trying to get a revert advantage by hoping a user such as myself would be too busy to notice what he was doing. If he was acting in good-faith I believe he would have waited until after New Year's and made sure everyone was around - he didn't even leave a message on the talk page asking if people were there or not.
As can be seen on the talk page Giovanni33 frequently reverts, does the minimum to ensure he doesn't get banned by leaving a comment "explaining" his revert and then disappears for a week before he starts this again - his lack of discussion of the matters prior to reversion can be seen by his recent edit history.
He is disrupting the article by refusing to co-operate with other users. He continues to push his POV, despite the urges of myself and User:Fullstop for him to self-revert and gain consensus for his desired changes first. I gave him more than 24 hours to at least respond to our comments before reporting him here, but he has made no response. John Smith's ( talk) 14:28, 1 January 2008 (UTC) reply
Both warned. — Rlevse • Talk • 02:01, 8 January 2008 (UTC) reply
I have reviewed the situation and determined that Termer is incorrect in posting the message below opposing Thatcher's issuance of formal notices. Thatcher is an uninvolved administrator as he has only taken part in Eastern European topics for the purposes of Arbitration Enforcement. His issuing of these notices is therefore valid and all users who were issued a notice are therefore bound by it, despite the below note from Termer. I have determined that Termer's assumption of bad faith on Thatcher's part with regards for this matter and the disruptive behavior that resulted constituted a violation of the general restriction and warranted a 24 hour block. See here for full rationale. Thank you. Ioeth ( talk contribs friendly) 16:39, 8 January 2008 (UTC) reply
the related decision in the arbitration case Wikipedia:Requests_for_arbitration/Digwuren#General_restriction
Gatoclass justifies his opinions under an "Eastern European topic" with an ethnic epithet [78] The way I see the statment is spelled out by a third party ThuranX comment addressed to Gatoclass: your comments, as linked from that AN/I, are defintiely bigoted assumptions that those who opposed your edits all lump into some vague anti-you category of eastern europeans. You're making an ad hominem attack on all those opposing you, suggesting that all they are interested in is emotional outbursts, not rational thought, based on your presumptions about their origins.. Further on, instead of withdrawing the ethnic epithet, Gatoclass doesn't agree with calling the ethnic epithets "bigoted statements" according to ThuranX and has started harassing me who has agreed with ThuranX comment and ThuranX [79] with "Breach of WP:CIV"
I believe Gatoclass actions are in conflict with the decision of the arbitration case. Thanks!-- Termer ( talk) 06:16, 6 January 2008 (UTC) reply
PS. since Gatoclass should be well aware of the General restriction by now, I don't mind starting all over and I'd suggest, once again. Gatoclass please consider withdrawing the argument based on the 'presumptions about the other editors origins' so that the matter could be put behind us. There is no need to apologize to me personally since I can't be offended with such general remarks unlike many other editors have claimed they have and have asked for an apology from you, something you're are aware of. Thanks!-- Termer ( talk) 22:04, 7 January 2008 (UTC) reply
Response Section blanked to start over. Let's be very clear; this page is to request enforcement of Arbitration remedies, not to make rulings on article content. The ruling in this case says that editors of Eastern European topics who "make any edits which are judged by an administrator to be uncivil, personal attacks, or assumptions of bad faith...may be blocked for the duration specified in the enforcement ruling below." The ruling may be enforced only after the editor has been notified of the restriction. If you believe an editor has made personal attacks, failed to assume good faith, or been uncivil, please add some diffs here as examples, and admins will either warn the editor (if he has not already been warned), or block, or do nothing, depending on the evidence. No one will rule on the content of the article. Please use the dispute resolution process including RFC, third opinion, and mediation. If you believe that the dispute resolution process has already been tried and failed, you need to go back to Arbcom and ask for a review of the case to consider additional editing restrictions. Only the ruling against incivility, bad faith and personal attacks in enforceable. Thatcher 20:21, 7 January 2008 (UTC) reply
I've been uninvolved in this whole thing. What appears to be the root cause of this was after Gatoclass' AfD nomination was unanimously defeated, he assumed bad faith and justified his stance with an ethnic epithet here [80] and went on attack by tag warring, and lashing out at Termer when uninvolved third party ThuranX said of Gatoclass' uncivil behaviour: your comments, as linked from that AN/I, are defintiely bigoted assumptions that those who opposed your edits all lump into some vague anti-you category of eastern europeans. You're making an ad hominem attack on all those opposing you, suggesting that all they are interested in is emotional outbursts, not rational thought, based on your presumptions about their origins.. All that is being asked here is that Gatorclass be noticed in on the Digwuren general restriction. How hard is that? Martintg ( talk) 20:46, 7 January 2008 (UTC) reply
Thatcher I'm sorry but I'm not getting it why do you keep ignoring the diff [81] by Gatoclass that has been also listed in Martintg's posting. The only reason the third opinion by ThuranX is there, is to express my own understanding how exactly Gatoclass has been 'uncivil, used personal attacks, or assumptions of bad faith . Thanks!-- Termer ( talk) 21:16, 7 January 2008 (UTC) reply
Did I get it right Thatcher? in case I'd use one remark against about 12 of my opponents in a content dispute, lets say hypothetically: "you're all wrong because I think you might come from Africa" and would never admit there is anything wrong with it. It could be considered that it might be just a slip of the tongue and therefore it would be OK? In any case more diffs would be required to make sure what exactly was I talking about, hypothetically in this case?-- Termer ( talk) 01:56, 8 January 2008 (UTC) reply
I have been considerably upset by the personal attacks and harassment I have been subjected to now for days on end, largely because of dissenting views I expressed at Holodomor denial, culminating in the frivolous report against me here. In that regard, I prepared a case against my opponents - whom I believe that unlike me are clearly in breach of the Digwuren general restriction - which was also intended to serve as my defence against these charges. I posted that here last night but User:Thatcher removed it on the basis that it was too long and asked me to shorten it.
Having had some time to reflect, I feel obliged to make one final offer of reconciliation before pursuing this matter any further.
For my part, I concede that perhaps I behaved a little dickishly on my first arrival at the page. I was angered by the tag-team removal of the disputed tag I placed on the page and by the brush-off and bad faith assumptions I was subjected to on the talk page, and I think I overreacted, first by repeatedly restoring the tag, then by dragging the page to AFD, and finally by bringing the matter of tag removal before AN/I. It was only after I got almost no response to the tag removal complaint at AN/I, that I had cause to examine my prior assumption about the essential inviolability of a disputed tag placed by a user in good standing, and to reflect that my attitude to tag removal was a tad unrealistic and that therefore I may have overreacted. I maintain however, that there is no excuse for the avalanche of bad faith assumptions and at times quite hurtful personal attacks that were directed at me for taking the position I did.
If the other users involved in this dispute - primarily User:Turgidson, PetersV, User:ThuranX and User:Termer will now agree to withdraw this frivolous charge against me here, to withdraw their offensive remarks that I am "racist" and "bigoted" and to commit not to repeat them in future, and above all, to drop this relentless pursuit for an "apology" based on a bad faith assumption about the meaning of a single comment I made, then I in turn will agree to pursue this matter no further. Regards, Gatoclass ( talk) 06:03, 8 January 2008 (UTC) reply
RE: Thatcher "you're a bigot"? Please point out exactly where have I said things like "you're a bigot". I have never said anything like this! just that perhaps there is a difference saying "you're a racist" and agreeing with someone else's posting that a "racist statement" has been used?-- Termer ( talk) 06:33, 8 January 2008 (UTC) reply
Thatcher got it! the point you're making is that I should just stay cool and keep smiling to your interpretations of this case? I guess I do feel lucky since in case PetersV is getting notified for asking too many times for an apology for the ethnic epithet, it feels like I should have been straight out banned for agreeing with a senior editor who called it "bigoted statement". Since you do have history with me and PetersV and with EE topics in general [91], I don't think I can accept your opinions here as an "uninvolved administrator". And therefore I'm going to dismiss your notices, also the one given to User:Gatoclass and the ones given here before, since its not coming from an uninvolved administrator who has not been involved with the "EE" controversies before. Thanks! -- Termer ( talk) 08:12, 8 January 2008 (UTC) reply
TDC (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · block user · block log) is subject to an editing restriction for one year. He is prohibited from editing any page related in any way to the Winter Soldier Investigation, broadly interpreted. Should he do so, he may be blocked for the duration specified in the enforcement ruling below. [93]
At 15:44, 7 January 2008, TDC began editing Talk:Phoenix Program [94] an article related to the Winter Soldier Investigation. [95]. — Viriditas | Talk 00:29, 8 January 2008 (UTC) reply
Asgardian ( talk · contribs) - Made 2 reverts in less than a week [96], [97], (with the original edit that was a revert of over a weeks time [98]). This is violation of the user restriction agreement RfA:Asgardian-Tenebrae. This may or may not be a moot point as the use is currently blocked due to the agreement for similar edits on another page. - 66.109.248.114 ( talk) 05:05, 9 January 2008 (UTC). reply
There is an IP sock and an named sock, see Wikipedia:Requests_for_checkuser/Case/Asgardian, IP is blocked 3 weeks, named sock indef and Asgardian 1 week. I've this on this arb page. — Rlevse • Talk • 02:56, 11 January 2008 (UTC) reply
User:Pocopocopocopoco is mass reverting and reinserting the closed Wikiproject
[99] Karabakh tag, without leaving any comment
[100],
[101],
[102],
[103],
[104],
[105],
[106],
[107],
[108],
[109],
[110],
[111],
[112],
[113],
[114],
[115],
[116]. That's 17 reverts or (re)insertions within 30 minutes.
Atabek (
talk) 22:12, 1 January 2008 (UTC)
reply
The contributor is already involved in edit wars in several articles on the topic of Armenia-Azerbaijan. The relevant ArbCom stated a remedy on applicability to all disruptive editors, under which User:Aynabend and User:Andranikpasha have already been placed under parole for disruptive editing. That's why I reported the mass reverting to WP:AE as it deals specifically with Armenia-Azerbaijan related articles. Thanks. Atabek ( talk) 22:45, 1 January 2008 (UTC) reply
Bah. I've rolled back all his edits, which made no sense as that WikiProject isn't going to be allowed to exist for at least another month. Thinking about other stuff as well, maybe. Moreschi If you've written a quality article... 22:50, 1 January 2008 (UTC) reply
Hi, I want to state that I wasn't aware of any of this drama when I reverted back in the wikiproject template to the articles and I apologize if it's caused grief to anyone. The reason for the revert was summarized in the edit summary of my first revert. [117] I felt (and still feel) that adding this wikiproject would facilitate greater collaboration and participation to the articles and hence facilitate the improvement of the articles and the project. One of the areas that I edit are unrecognized countries and hence I joined this wikiproject and I find it useful to collaborate with other editors interested in Nagorno-Karabakh. I am neither a participant in WikiProject Armenia or WikiProject Azeri (although they are probably both interesting topics). My understanding is that Atabek's (and other peoples) concerns are with the image in the template. Could we lift the moratorium on this project if we change the template to a neutral template? Please see the template in Wikipedia:WikiProject_Abkhazia. Pocopocopocopoco ( talk) 04:53, 2 January 2008 (UTC) reply
The concern is that this is an ethnic POV project about a region which has diverse ethnic and historical identity. Nagorno-Karabakh is a conflict between Azeris and Armenians, between Azerbaijan and Armenia, not between Azeris and some non-existent ethnic group Karabakhis. History of Karabakh does not exist outside and independent of Azeri or Armenian domain. Atabek ( talk) 08:39, 2 January 2008 (UTC) reply
As I see it, the issue of Nagorno-Karabakh is the source of almost all the conflict between Armenian and Azeri editors. This conflict has reached fever pitch over the past few weeks, as anybody can tell from looking at this very Arbitration Enforcement page. We should be looking to cool things down not inflame them. Promoting Project:Karabakh right now is definitely not going to help matters. The only reason we have projects in the first place is to help build Wikipedia. They are not there to demonstrate editors' allegiance to a particular stance, although inevitably this is a big temptation with "national" projects. Nobody needs a project to edit a topic area anyway and people have worked on NK articles long before the existence of Project:Karabakh, which was virtually dormant until a couple of days ago. As I've said, we should be looking to turn the heat down on the current Armenia-Azerbaijan dispute on Wikipedia, otherwise I can see another ArbCom coming round the corner - and that will benefit nobody. -- Folantin ( talk) 09:33, 2 January 2008 (UTC) reply
Let's start with this: none of you should want to go down the route of Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/Armenia-Azerbaijan 3. The arbitrators will lose their patience and ban the lot of you, which would be sad, really. The conflicts over Nagorno-Karabakh have got to stop, or at the least slow down, because I know this could so easily be the blue touchpaper that gets everyone kicked out. Trust me: I spend a lot of time hanging around ArbCom-related stuff and know quite well the limits of the arbitrator's patience.
Another point is this: nobody needs a WikiProject to edit, and if it's collaboration needed or some such concept, use the talk page or existing projects - Wikipedia:WikiProject Armenia or WP:AZERI. Don't use this ghastly creation that's only going to aggravate one side of the conflict, is only ever going to push a POV, and as Vartan's "Maybe then you'll come to terms that Nagorno-Karabakh Republic exists" gives away, is only ever going to a statement of intent along the lines of "We believe in the NKR. Amen.".
That's pointless. It's got nothing to do with the encyclopaedia. You don't need to this WikiProject to do this. At the moment, both sides here are potentially staring at the abyss over the edge of the proverbial cliff edge - I urge you all to step back before you pull each other over. ArbCom is the whirlpool waiting at the bottom. Moreschi If you've written a quality article... 19:16, 2 January 2008 (UTC) reply
If I AGF, I'd say that you don't get it. NKR has a government, has schools, has libraries, has many other municipal infrastructures, has elections, has TV stations, newspapers etc., where, oh god where do those go? Project about Armenia?, project about Azerbaijan? Of course not. The Turkish republic of Northern Cyprus has its category, and has its flag on it, has all those emblems and logos which doesn't seem to bother the Greeks. And unlike what you claim, NK is not de-jure part of Azerbaijan, it is only officially part of Azerbaijan, NK used the Soviet law (legal) to separate itself, and declared its independence according to the law at about the same time as Azerbaijan. NK has a legal ground as a republic to exist, it is just that since Azerbaijan has oil, that NK is not recognized.
Are you telling me that you are willing to work for example in an article about the Armenian schools in NK? Armenian libraries, Armenian presidents in NK, ministers in NK etc.? Where have you ever contributed in those articles? You're making this as if you are prevented to contribute as if anything has ever prevented you to contribute before.
And we all know what happened when the Azerbaijan category was incorporated, users started removing Armenia and replace it with Caucasian Albania, removing Armenian and replacing it with Caucasian Albanians, adding Azerbaijani terms, for historic places, which were never called that way. By having one Wiki project about NK and replacing both Armenia and Azerbaijan is the only reasonable thing to do, all the other disputed territories have them, why shouldn't NK have one? VartanM ( talk) 19:47, 3 January 2008 (UTC) reply
Your assumption is original research, Artsakh declared independence before the Red Army invaded it, de jure is a legal concept, legally NK was never part of Azerbaijan, Nariman Narimanov who was the head the Soviet Azerbaijan threatened the Soviet Union to block its oil if NK was incorporated into Armenia. Since then, oil was an issue which passed before any laws (they already declared independence then), it is your original research to assume that oil which runs the politics on the region is not a factor. The Soviet Union does not exist anymore, and NK has used legal means to declare its independence. And the New England Center for International Law and Policy is not an obscure law school, the research here clearly say that NK has used legal means to declare its independence according to the Soviet Law, if we are not going to respect Soviet Law, then the pre-Soviet NK also declared its independence.
NK is only officially part of Azerbaijan, not De Jure, according to law NK should be independent, Azerbaijan is aware of this, thats why they boycotted every conflict resolution where NK is represented, because NK unlike Armenia has bases to apply to Hague according to the specific article on territorial claims which requires the two party to be present, Armenia is not considered to be a party according to Hague article on disputed territories while NK is. Various other articles also claim that the legal process was followed under which NK declared independence, like this. [ Here from a history course, it doesn't even say de facto or officially.
For decades NK has used legal Soviet means to gain independence from Azerbaijan, which were almost always granted and then reversed because Soviet Azerbaijan used its oil resources to threaten and have what it wanted even if the requests were made according to law. If Azerbaijan didn't have oil, NK would have never been granted to it in the first place. CIA declassified files show that US government underground is very well aware that NK has for centuries been semi-autonomous under the rule of Armenian princes and was as an Armenia's cultural and religious center [123], [124]. Even during the Soviet era, the CIA recognized the legitimacy of NK requests when it was again brought to the table (in 1978): the inhabitants of another turbulent area in the Caucasus, the Nagorno-Karabakh Autonomous Oblast, are able to make a better argument that their oblast should be transferred from one republic to another. The Karabakh Oblast is part of Azerbaydzhan, yet over 80 percent of its population is Armenian and it lies close to the border of the Armenian Republic. In 1975, according to the Azerbaydzhan Republic newspaper, virtually the entire leadership of the Karabakh Oblast was ousted for supporting a movement to detach the oblast from Azerbaydzhan and join it to Armenia. [125]
Given that Artsakh has a history of over 2 thousand years, which had kingdoms, principalities etc., and which is now currently an unrecognized republic, which has a VERY OLD history OLDER than Azerbaijan, it is legitimate to have such a wikiproject. It is not part of Azerbaijani history, nor the article is about Azerbaijan, and it's not part of current Armenia and not its Wikiproject, you can do this as the way you want, but it is obvious that a wikiproject of this entity should exist. As for your request to assume good faith, I wasn't specifically refering to you, but the general thrend to turn Armenian churchs as Albanian, the Armenian scholars as Albanians, the Armenian population as Albanian, Armenian princes as Albanian, Armenian principalities as Albanian and to make matter worst dump them as part of Azerbaijani history. The only legitimate move would be that Artsakh has its category with its own separate wikiproject. VartanM ( talk) 01:24, 4 January 2008 (UTC) reply
Excuse me for interference but I am not sure why every WP:AE is being turned into WP:SOAP forum. VartanM, Andranikpasha and Pocopocopocopoco, would you mind to check WP:Kosovo, before commenting further on whether Wikipedia:WikiProject Karabakh, with map that was never NK as its symbol, is appropriate? And by the way, based on this example, may I ask administrators to have Wikipedia:WikiProject Karabakh forward to WP:AZERI instead of Wikiproject Armenia. Thanks. Atabek ( talk) 01:49, 9 January 2008 (UTC) reply
Sure, I don't mind having WikiProject Karabakh being forwarded to WP:AZERI, in which I am already participant. I doubt any other WP:AZERI participant would mind either. Atabek ( talk) 23:34, 10 January 2008 (UTC) reply
The Arbitration Committee has placed this article on probation. Editors making disruptive edits may be banned by an administrator from this and related articles, or other reasonably related pages.
The article is about a conservative Internet forum. User:Eschoir is a former member of that forum who was permanently banned in 1998 for creating nearly 100 sockpuppet accounts for purposes of disruption. Despite the obvious WP:COI issue, there was AGF with User:Fred Bauder (as evidenced on Eschoir's Talk page). Since that time, Eschoir was effectively left to edit the article by himself and he gradually brought it more and more out of compliance with WP:NPOV.
At one point, he added an edit containing the word "penis" describing an alleged event involving two real people: Kristinn Taylor, a prominent participant at Free Republic, and another participant using the alias "Dr. Raoul." Since the article isn't about a topic dealing with sexuality or medicine, this immediately attracted my attention regarding a possible BLP violation. (Since then, Eschoir has admitted that the alleged event never occurred.)
I placed a final warning for vandalism on Eschoir's Talk page and started actively editing the article to bring it into NPOV compliance, and ever since that moment, he has been making false WP:SOCK accusations, and occupied territory that's best described as a continuous violation of WP:NPOV, WP:TE, WP:DE, WP:AGF and WP:DBAD. This is a perfect example of why COI editors need to be watched closely. Please take the necessary action. 68.31.123.238 ( talk) 19:27, 8 January 2008 (UTC) reply
See you there in about 24-48 hours. 68.31.123.238 ( talk) 02:16, 9 January 2008 (UTC) reply
Closing. — Rlevse • Talk • 03:13, 11 January 2008 (UTC) reply
Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/COFS
Since I don't want it to appear as though I've been seeking this editor out, I just want to get it noted that I'm not. Bearing in mind that the committee ruled that this editor and myself should limit our interactions, he has begun editing pages I have been active on and posting on my talk page, I'll include these in roughly chronological order;
I don't mind dealing with this person, however I'm concerned that it could be interpreted that I'm flouting the ruling. Moreover since it was found that I had harassed him without actually seeking him out, I don't want that to happen again. Anynobody 01:20, 10 January 2008 (UTC) reply
I appreciate your apology, but it's not that you're making me uncomfortable so much as this is exactly the way we came to the previous disagreement. You may or may not remember that I was editing Barbara Schwarz when BabyDweezil asked for your assistance. From there my attempt at coming to a mutual understanding with you over a minor issue as well as concerns you expressed about my understanding of guidelines was rebuffed. So another user, also experiencing difficulty with you, and I attempted to seek dispute resolution, long story made short it ended with you saying I was harassing you in the Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/COFS case.
Here we are disagreeing again, if it continues we'll have to seek WP:DR again as well. We're essentially going down the same road, and you're driving. (That's all I want to make sure is noted to address any concerns of harassment on my part.) Anynobody 21:25, 10 January 2008 (UTC) reply
Closing, see note at top. — Rlevse • Talk • 03:19, 11 January 2008 (UTC) reply
Are you saying that I'm supposed to request/suggest a remedy, which I didn't, or that the arbcom case's remedy is vague? Anynobody 04:10, 11 January 2008 (UTC) reply
Thank you for responding Thatcher, the discussion has touched on my main concern, but I'll clarify it a bit more. In discussing the unequal nature of the ruling, Justanother says :*Well, the whole reason for the unequal treatment in the arb is that I was deemed the "victim" (or perhaps "harassee" is a better term). The first discussion of any type of harassment was allegations of "pestering" Justanother, despite him being unable to identify when I had actually done any pestering: Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/COFS/Workshop#Mutual pestering ban between Anynobody and Justanother. Not long afterward it turned into this: Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/COFS/Proposed decision#Harassment of User:Justanother by User:Anynobody. I honestly can't think of any harassment I've done, so I asked what the harassing behavior was: Wikipedia talk:Requests for arbitration/COFS/Proposed decision#Harassment ? the response I got was a bit difficult to believe. I was never able to get a clear understanding of what I had done, and they didn't say why they found I had harassed him: as you might have noticed in the earlier link (this one's included just for convenience in case it wasn't seen).
I'm not presenting any assumptions about Justanother, however since
and
I just want to get it on record that as before contact was initiated by him, so at least it could be questioned why one would go back for "more punishment" should the subject come up again. Anynobody 02:01, 12 January 2008 (UTC) reply
Right, I did indeed read your post, and I guess it's difficult reconciling that with what actually happened. You'll find that any time I held you up to community scrutiny it was done citing a concern for a policy/guideline and was much less, shall we say "public" than how you held me or others up to the same scrutiny (These are all threads started by you on WP:ANI, minus templates like {{ userlinks}} etc.):
You held Smee up to way more scrutiny than I ever did you. Here's a quick sample to refresh your memory:
There were actually others too:
When/where did I alone ever hold you up to the kind of community scrutiny that matches the level of what you were doing at the same time to several editors (including me) on WP:ANI? I'd really like to know and these links should help, Special:Contributions/Anynobody and Special:Contributions/Anyeverybody Anynobody 05:55, 13 January 2008 (UTC) reply
Seriously, you did this crap in the arb also and you were cautioned there. One thing I have noticed about you, AN, is that you refuse to "get it" and you will prove that you refuse to "get it" every chance you get. -- JustaHulk ( talk) 06:21, 13 January 2008 (UTC) reply
Could you please provide a diff from the arbcom where I pulled "this crap" and was told why what I did was like/unlike this? (Seriously, I'm not holding a grudge I just can't remember doing anything like what I've identified as harassment. Would you please just show where/when I did the same thing?) Anynobody 06:49, 13 January 2008 (UTC) reply
Anynobody is violating the "no harassment ruling" right here, right now. See above. I was trying in good faith to explain to him the difference between acceptable behavior and prohibited behavior as he continually says that he doesn't know what he is supposed to do under the arb ruling and he grossly breaks it right here. Please someone help him! -- JustaHulk ( talk) 06:25, 13 January 2008 (UTC) reply
FYI, this is exactly the sort of thing that will get you blocked if the remedies regarding your behavior toward Justanother pass. -- jpgordon ∇∆∇∆ 15:04, 3 September 2007 (UTC)
Well, the remedies did pass and AN's egregious violation above calls for their application. I, for one, am kinda out of WP:AGF as regards this cat. The above was the last straw for me. -- JustaHulk ( talk) 15:04, 13 January 2008 (UTC) replyUnbefuckinglievable. "I'm just using [Justanother] as an example." Again and again and again: Justanother the eternal example. Jpgordon, the proposed harassment remedy and its enforcement by blocks are clearly going to pass. May we have a temporary harassment injunction right now to cover the time up to when they formally pass? Bishonen | talk 20:02, 3 September 2007 (UTC).
Here's an example of how Anynobody masterfully uses the trolling tactics of pestering and misuse of process to create disruption. Its the same "I am not complaining about you, just using you as an example" ploy that Bishonen found "unbefuckinglievable". Anynobody had no issues with me until I came to the defense of Justanother. (Since Bishonen is away, I feel obligated, and Anynobody's timing in filing this complaint is not lost on me.) The COFS dispute has lingered for a very long time. I think it's time for strict enforcement of the remedies against Anynobody. Jehochman Talk 18:47, 13 January 2008 (UTC) reply
Comments on the article's talk page by this party involved in the dispute contain several uncivil remarks that could be considered inflammatory to the situation and would contravene Principles 1 (Editorial Process) and 3 (Assume Good Faith) and would go against Remedy No. 3 - Disruptive Editing (which extends to any related article or page).
http://en.wikipedia.org/?title=Talk%3AJohn_Buscema&diff=183100476&oldid=183004684
Some of the offending passages, all referring to the other party of the ArbCom ruling :
'As for the version of the article to which Skyelarke links, it is a hagiographic, fan-magazine travesty...'
'...purposefully misleading statements, however, I believe need to be addressed in forceful terms....'
"A lie can travel halfway 'round the world before the truth gets out the front door."
'One can't let the goaders get your goat.'
-- 70.48.122.29 ( talk) 11:07, 9 January 2008 (UTC) reply
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Requests_for_arbitration/John_Buscema
CC of posting placed at [[[User_talk:Rlevse]]
Additional note here: I find it troubling that the accusation against me was made by an anonymous IP that seems to be a sock-puppet of User:Skyelarke, as evidenced by this sequence: [133], [134] -- Tenebrae ( talk) 15:30, 12 January 2008 (UTC) reply
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Requests_for_arbitration/John_Buscema
Comments on the article's talk page by this party involved in the dispute contain several uncivil assumption of bad faith remarks that could be considered inflammatory to the situation and would contravene Principles 1 (Editorial Process) and 3 (Assume Good Faith) and would go against Remedy No. 3 - Disruptive Editing (which extends to any related article or page).
http://en.wikipedia.org/?title=Talk%3AJohn_Buscema&diff=183857439&oldid=183854034
The offending remark, all referring to the other party of the ArbCom ruling :
' ... I made corrections to such things as an unfounded claim you attributed to that book. '
'Please, I ask you again, as I have numerous times: Do not say things you know are untrue. It's neither reasonable nor fair to make another editor frequently have to point out untruths.'
-- Skyelarke ( talk) 22:03, 12 January 2008 (UTC) reply
Unfortunately the corrections that I'm suggesting are basic and necessary and, I thought, uncontentious - I don't enjoy making these enforcement notices - but am doing them diligently early on so as to ensure a future civil discussion atmosphere - If you feel that I've been disruptive, you're welcome to report it, no hard feelings - if it improves the level of civility on the page, then all the better.
-- Skyelarke ( talk) 23:16, 12 January 2008 (UTC) reply
Cool, but at this point I just feel that if Tenebrae, yourself, or anyone has the concerns about my conduct that both of you are expressing, it's probably better to just go with the ArbCom remedy process and make an enforcement notice - that way objective proof is provided and a qualified administrator will look into it and it will get properly handled and documented. A friendly suggestion - look, I'm even smiling :)
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Skyelarke (
talk) 04:29, 13 January 2008 (UTC)
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Response Skyelark and Tenebrae, the Wikipedia editing process is very simple. If you can not resolve a dispute by amicable discussion, you involved additional outside editors. In this case, for example, that may mean asking someone neutral at Wikiproject:Comics to get a copy of the same book and double-check your interpretations. If you can not learn to resolve your disputes amicably and through discussion and consensus, the ban on editing the article will be extended. Thatcher 12:24, 13 January 2008 (UTC) reply
User:ScienceApologist appears to have violated WP:CANVASS by leaving non-neutral notices on user talk pages, a Wikiproject page and a noticeboard, as well as violating his ArbCom editing restrictions by making uncivil comments and assumptions of bad faith.
"Neutrally worded notifications sent to a small number of editors are considered "friendly notices" if they are intended to improve rather than to influence a discussion " "Always keep the message neutral"
The non-neutral and bad faith statements made by ScienceApologist:
ScienceApologist also posted a bad-faith, uncivil personal comment on another editor's talk page, saying "I'm sorry that you are ignorant of physics and haven't been able to understand the sources I cited." [139].
ScienceApologist has also assumed bad faith and made uncivil accusations in edit summaries,
Also, opinions are welcome on ScienceApologist's use of WP:SPADE regarding the contents of an article: [142].
Dreadstar † 23:56, 9 January 2008 (UTC) reply
I don't see how stating that someone is "ignorant of physics" is a personal attack. Most of my family members and friends would agree that they can be fairly characterized as such. This looks like yet another "let's poke SA with a stick and see if we can get him to blow up" thread. Raymond Arritt ( talk) 01:14, 10 January 2008 (UTC) reply
All--This is an arb enforcement page, not a debate page. — Rlevse • Talk • 02:02, 10 January 2008 (UTC) reply
Considering that ScienceApologist's last block came as the result of calling other editors POV pushers, regardless of how astute that observation may really have been, he's toeing the line in a few of the diffs Dreadstar provided. However, many of those diffs aren't particularly relevant to his ArbCom restrictions in the first place. I don't see anything wrong with the WP:SPADE edit. And while calling someone "ignorant of physics" might be worded a little sharply (even though the person in question may very well be ignorant of physics), I don't see how we can simply assume it was done out of bad faith. And as far as WP:CANVASS goes, it's merely a behavioral guideline. Correct me if I missed something, but it was four edits, and you could've just left him a note on his talk page about it. I don't see any blatant attacks on other editors, so I see no clear and pressing need for arbitration enforcement. ScienceApologist should be more careful about calling out others for POV pushing, given the way civility guidelines are enforced, but a block would be overkill. -- RG 2 11:37, 10 January 2008 (UTC) reply
There doesn't seem to be much consensus that he did to a degree that anything other than has been said is necessary, reviewing the comments of 4 different admins above. There's nothing left to do here, case is closed. FeloniousMonk ( talk) 06:10, 13 January 2008 (UTC) reply
This relates again to the COFS arb. I am sorry to have multiple issues going here but I need some help with Olberon ( talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log). I made a much-needed edit to the WP:EL at Scientology ( | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views). On 9 Jan, I announced my intention to make these edits on the talk page [144] and received only a little discussion but agreement that some work was needed on the links. Two days later, on 11 Jan, I made the edit [145]. The edit stood and for the next two days a number of regular editors had a bit of discussion on the talk page about one link or another but no major objections to what I had did. Now comes Olberon and edit-wars with me over the inclusion. He has gone 2RR and I went 1RR so now my edit stands undone. I will not go 2RR on a page under article probation so I am at a disadvantage. Will someone please ask Olberon to self-revert and warn him about edit-warring under article probation. He ignored my warning. Thanks. -- JustaHulk ( talk) 16:02, 13 January 2008 (UTC) reply