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Request concerning Monshuai
Discussion concerning MonshuaiStatement by MonshuaiI must cover the allegations against me even whilst I am limited in what I am allowed to say. Future Perfect at Sunrise states that I support the claim that the Bulgars are Iranian (Aryan) and not Turkic. This is patently false! As I stated before, years ago I believed that all theories about the Bulgars' ancestry be included in the respective article, as there did not seem to be absolute consensus amongst academics regarding their origins. I was also under the impression that Dr. Peter Dobrev's (of the Bulgarian Academy of Sciences) Iranian-Bulgar theory was properly referenced and peer reviewed. However after studying the issue I came to the conclusion that his theory was not supported by a majority of the academic community and therefore most of the evidence pointed to the (Hunno-Bulgar) Turkic theory being correct. In other words, through intense research and education I came to view the Iranian hypothesis that I previously supported as being what Wikipedians refer to as a fringe theory. Therefore I stopped supporting its inclusion and all my edits hence forth were in favour of the Hunno-Bulgar Turkic theory. I have also read about the theory proposed by Dr. Shin Yong-Ha that the Bulgars originally stem from the Korean Peninsula as the Bu-Yeo culture that then migrated to the region presently known as Greater Mongolia. It seems Dr. Shin's premise directly ties to the primary theories about the Bulgars' Altaic (Turkic) origins. In other words, there is growing evidence that the Bulgars stem from central regions of north-eastern Asia. In light of this I was the one that made the edit that the Bulgars are associated with the Turkic Huns and that they originate in the steppes of Mongolia. Further still, I added another constructive edit (removed consequently by another editor) that according to academics the Bulgars were comprised of loosely confederated steppe peoples of various backgrounds. Thus I have shown that with hard work and in-depth research of numerous reliable sources I can not only admit my past errors of supporting a fringe theory of Dr. Peter Dobrev, but more importantly fix those errors! From the start I have stated that all modern nations are composites of multiple ancestral groups, and thus I have always been opposed to the racial purity theories propagated by many other editors. As an example of this, please look into my more recent edits about Bulgarians being an amalgamation of different ethnic groups. I have used the following sources to show this:
Now before I continue, my understanding is that Sandstein has told me that in this arbitration case I cannot make direct name references to the edits made by other involved editors on pages where there was a relevant conflict. Thus I am not going to state their names or give links to their respective edits. Continuing on, I tried to reason with the editor who tried to racially profile the First Bulgarian Empire by trying to explain to him that the state was multi-cultural and multi-ethnic. I told him it was inappropriate to do what he was doing. I showed this editor the sources (a few of which are provided above) and I stated in the talk page that "the role of the Bulgars was to incorporate various ethnic groups into their empire. These were the Slav and local Byzantine populations. Since you (the editor) insist that ethnicities be mentioned, then the relevant roles and amalgamation of the various ethnic groups in the formation of the state also must be mentioned." Indeed, this was disregarded by the editor and he continued to push the racial purity perspective. I then researched 20 sources and made them available to everyone. I included page numbers so that the referenced information could be easily found by interested parties. In doing so I tried to explain that it is disingenuous to racially profile a country as "pure" and that indeed there is a difference between Bulgars and Bulgarians. As I stated in the talk page, "the Bulgars were an ancient group, while the Bulgarians are a modern ethnicity that is a composite of several ethnic groups." Please ask yourselves whose comments are divisive, mine or that of the other editor(s). Thus I repeat, I am using credible academic sources to show the contributions of multiple groups to the formation of a modern state. That is the opposite of what I am being accused of here. In addition, I am being lambasted for edits that I have made in the past, while my recent patience and use of sources in the talk pages is being avoided in the discussion herein. It is true that years ago I made questionable edits and even got involved in a revert war for which I was blocked for 24 hours (the only block I have received in 3.5 years of contributing in Wikipedia). I learned not to get involved in revert wars and therefore began using talk pages to present sources and intellectually debate various issues. A few months ago I was involved in another long talk page discussion. However after reading the sources provided by one of the editors who was countering my arguments, I realized that his premise was backed by better evidence than the one I had presented. Thus I thanked this editor for his impartiality in analyzing the said source and I left the discussion and article never to go back to it again. In summary, I have evolved as an editor, who both respects and presents credible sources and always uses talk pages. Unfortunately, the credible sources that I presented recently were disregarded by other involved editors (including my accuser) who made false statements about me not providing page numbers, the inadmissibility of tertiary sources like Britannica, etc... There is much more that I want to discuss, however the ground rules laid by Sandstein do not allow me to compose a more detailed defence. I must also say that while I respect Sandstein for originally telling my accuser that I must be given a chance to speak in WP:ANI, I disagree with him for stopping that discussion soon after it began. My hands are tied there and also partially tied here. Despite his opinion on this matter and communicated intention of wanting to rule against me very soon, I believe he is a good administrator and I ask him to look at everything I have recently said and done (both in the WP:ANI discussion and in talk pages) to note that unlike some of the other editors involved in the recent conflicts I do not get involved in revert wars, I respect and propagate the multi-cultural heritage of all modern states, I use reliable sources to back my arguments and I maintain a polite tone as I never use foul language. Thank you for your time.-- Monshuai ( talk) 12:48, 18 February 2010 (UTC)
Comments by others about the request concerning Monshuai
Comment by SandsteinA few ground rules, please. This is arbitration enforcement. The purpose of this board is to help a single administrator decide whether they should take enforcement action as requested. Community consensus for or against sanctions is neither required nor sought. There is no voting. Each contributing editor should limit themselves to a single statement in a separate section, as here. That statement should address no other question than whether or not the requested enforcement is warranted. Please do not discuss any other issues, such as the content issues underlying this request, or the conduct of users other than Monshuai (but you may make a separate request regarding them if warranted). There should be no threaded discussion. Disruptive conduct on this board is likely to result in rapid sanctions. Thank you. Sandstein 23:56, 16 February 2010 (UTC)
Comment by Fut.Perf.As I said on the ANI thread, I support this request for sanctions. Monshuai is the paradigm case of a tendentious editor; all his edits are designed to push some national agenda of his, often agendas connected to fringe claims (such as the Aryan/non-Turkic background of the ancient Bulgars, or promotion of continuity between ancient Thracians and modern Bulgarians). This has gone on for too long, and has led to disruption on too many articles. Fut.Perf. ☼ 06:56, 17 February 2010 (UTC) Comment by SulmuesStrongly Oppose: As I understand it, Arbitration Enforcement enforces a closed Arbitration Committee ruling. There was no ruling at the ANI, therefore, this is the wrong place to enforce a ruling that does not exist yet. In addition, the ruling (had it existed) should not be based on voting but on strength of arguments presented. Furthermore, Monshuai is being accused of not abiding by ARBMAC rules while defending himself in the ANI thread. I really don't find any grounds why he should not defend himself and why he should not have the right to do so in the ANI. Furthermore he fully respected the rules while he defended himself. For the rest, I have already stated my strong support for Monshuai as an excellent contributor in Wikipedia, an honest intellectual that challenges the status quo with arguments that undermine weak conclusions of which Wikipedia is plenty, and also a person that is much more polite that many users who were involved at the ANI. We need more contributors like Monshuai, not less. You can also see my many long comments in the ANI for what I think about this case and its members. In addition, I request that the additional comment on the voter's nationalities at the ANI as told by Athenean above (and as soon as that is done, also this sentence of mine) be striken out of the record, because they are irrelevant, in addition to being incorrect (e.g. preslav is not Bulgarian). Last but not least: Voting was 6-2 at the ANI, (not 10-2 like Athenean is claiming) and two of the "supports" were indeed "weak supports", whereas one "oppose" (mine) was "strong oppose". Kind regards to all! sulmues talk --Sulmues 14:29, 17 February 2010 (UTC) Comment by uninvolved editor LoosmarkIn my opinion the indefinite ban proposed by Sandstein bellow is too harsh. If there is really a need for sanctions then a milder one should be applied giving the editor a chance to reform and edit in accordance with wikipedia guidelines. Dr. Loosmark 23:23, 17 February 2010 (UTC) Result concerning Monshuai
I have conducted a somewhat limited review (given time constraints) of the very large amount of evidence submitted at [7]. In my opinion, the request has merit. There is extensive evidence of longtime and persistent editing in violation of WP:NPOV, with a view to glorifying Bulgarian ancient history, alleged racial heritage, accomplishments, etc; combined with aggressive WP:BATTLEGROUND-type conduct towards others in that topic area, notably much of this after the WP:ARBMAC warning. This is prototypical nationalist POV-pushing, which Wikipedia is not for ( WP:ARBMAC#Purpose of Wikipedia). In my opinion, an indefinite ban from the topic of Bulgaria (broadly construed, including Bulgarians, Bulgarian ancient history, ancient peoples on modern-day Bulgarian territory etc.) is required to stop this. Unless other uninvolved admins disagree, I intend to impose such a ban in about a day under the authority of WP:ARBMAC#Discretionary sanctions. Sandstein 22:41, 17 February 2010 (UTC)
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Request concerning Tothwolf
Discussion concerning TothwolfStatement by TothwolfRelated discussion -- Tothwolf ( talk) 01:26, 18 February 2010 (UTC) Comments by others about the request concerning Tothwolf
you should visit the diff in question that tothwolf has linked [ [10]] which links to [ [11]]. tothwolf has been specifically restricted by arbcom to not make allegations against other editors. the diff that tothwolf has restored states "(the case against) yourself, Miami33139 and JBsupreme due to your wikihounding, harassment, collusion, and gaming of the system." claims that me, jbsupreme, and miami33139 are harassing, wikihounding, colluding, or gaming are in violations of http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case/Tothwolf#Allegations_against_other_editors . tothwolf is not allowed to accuse or make allegations of wikihounding or harassing against anyone, let alone the people who filed evidence against him in his arbcom case. tothwolf is gaming the system to use his talk page as a soapbox to link to a diff which rehashes allegations that have been rejected by arbcom. this is a violation of his restrictions. no allegations. no casting aspersions. the violation is obvious. he cannot link to diffs that accuse specific editors of harassment and hounding and he cannot place the link on the top of his talk page. this is a violation of his restriction Theserialcomma ( talk) 03:10, 18 February 2010 (UTC)
Comment by A Stop at WilloughbyThe comment to which Theserialcomma is referring (the one including the diff at issue) is timestamped January 5, 2010. The Tothwolf case was closed on January 25, 2010. I cannot see how his comment violated a remedy that had barely been drafted at the time. It seems that Theserialcomma is filing this AE request on the grounds that Tothwolf reverted this edit, in which Theserialcomma modified a comment Tothwolf made on his talk page, alleging a personal attack. First of all, it is hard to see how a mere inclusion of a diff can be construed as a personal attack. Secondly, it is concerning that Theserialcomma performed this edit out of the blue in what certainly seems like an attempt to bait Tothwolf into violating his restriction. He should knock it off, and this request should be closed with no action taken.
Result concerning Tothwolf
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1st revert, 2nd revert, 3rd revert 3 violations of 1RR.
Supre Deliciousness has made 3 reverts on one day, in direct violation of his 1RR restriction. I ask you to please take action, this time to block him indefinitely, since he has been violating his ban so many times.
Statement by Supreme DeliciousnessThose three edits I made were also at talkpages, not articles, and what I did was to strike out the comments from a sock puppet, there was no content changes. -- Supreme Deliciousness ( talk) 15:45, 20 February 2010 (UTC) Discussion concerning Supreme DeliciousnessComment by Fut.Perf.Those three reverts listed above are three reverts on three different pages. According to Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case/Asmahan, he is restricted to 1rv per week per page. This doesn't seem to be technically a violation of the ruling, and the reverts themselves don't look intrinsically disruptive to me. Fut.Perf. ☼ 15:12, 20 February 2010 (UTC) Result concerning Supreme DeliciousnessNot actionable. I agree with Future Perfect at Sunrise above. Since the reverts concern three different pages, the remedy is not violated. Nefer Tweety, please stop making non-actionable requests, or you may be banned from using this board. Sandstein 16:08, 20 February 2010 (UTC) |
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Request concerning Brews ohare
Discussion concerning Brews OhareStatement by Brews OhareThis is another ridiculous action brought against me for no reason. Both evidential diffs are from Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Edit warring, not on any physics-related page, and neither are about physics. In particular:
Unfortunately, Headbomb has no concept of what is inimical to WP, and simply likes to make trouble. Actions should not be brought where no disturbance or harm to WP is involved. Headbomb should have his head handed to him for making trouble over nothing again and again. The comments made by me are general comments intended to put oil on troubled water, and are in no way physics based, or related in any way to my sanctions. Brews ohare ( talk) 06:53, 22 February 2010 (UTC) Comments by others about the request concerning Brews Ohare
Result concerning Brews Ohare
Blocked for a week. The request has merit. The edits were made to Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Edit warring, which violates Brews Ohare's indefinite ban from editing Wikipedia and Wikipedia talk namespaces, as imposed as a discretionary sanction by Tznkai at Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case/Speed of light#Log of blocks, bans, and restrictions. The article at issue is Infraparticle, which is physics-related. With respect to that article, in the cited diffs, Brews Ohare says:
This violates his arbitral topic ban "from all physics-related discussions, broadly construed", as well as the even clearer ban from "disputes stemming from physics-related content" as per Tznkai's restriction. To determine the appropriate sanction, Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case/Speed of light#Enforcement by block advises that "Should any user subject to a topic ban in this case violate that restriction, or any user subject to discretionary sanctions in this case violate a restriction imposed by an uninvolved administrator, that user may be briefly blocked, up to a week in the event of repeated violations. After 3 blocks, the maximum block shall increase to one year." This being Brews Ohare's third AE block, it is set at one week's duration. Sandstein 07:22, 22 February 2010 (UTC) |
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Request concerning David Tombe
Discussion concerning David TombeStatement by David TombeComments by others about the request concerning David TombeComment by Hell in a BucketBlocking David for the truth doesn't make it less true. Comment by Michael C PriceI'm struggling to see the the violation by David here. His restriction requires him to be warned first, and he wasn't. His topic ban relates to physics, and in the 3 diffs provided he is commenting on the justice or otherwise of blocks, bans and behaviour. -- Michael C. Price talk 04:56, 22 February 2010 (UTC) Comment by LikeboxThis enforcement action is not timed properly--- the accusations are over taking sides in another dispute, and the enforcement request seems on its face to be an abuse of the Wikipedia enforcement mechanisms in order to settle private scores. Likebox ( talk) 14:10, 22 February 2010 (UTC) Comment by SandsteinI agree with Michael C. Price. Sandstein 07:09, 22 February 2010 (UTC) Result concerning David Tombe
Closed as not actionable per the above. Sandstein 19:15, 22 February 2010 (UTC) |
Arab Cowboy ( talk · contribs · block log) blocked for 72 hours |
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Request concerning Arab Cowboy
He was banned from all articles and their associated talk pages within the scope of the Asmahan case for abuse of alternative accounts: [22] "If you violate this ban through either your main account or through sockpuppets, you will be blocked." Omar Sharif is a part of the scope of the case as can be seen in its history and also has been mentioned in the arbitration case: [23] [24] [25] Omar Sharif discussion continued from its talkpage to the BLP noticeboard, so that would be an associated page. AC made several posts there in the Omar Sharif discussion: [26] [27] [28]
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Discussion concerning Arab CowboyStatement by Arab CowboyComments by others about the request concerning Arab CowboyResult concerning Arab Cowboy
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Soledad22 ( talk · contribs) indefinitely blocked, and NickCT ( talk · contribs) notified of the WP:ARBPIA editing restrictions |
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Request concerning NickCT and Soledad22
Reverting against multiple editors since February 13 at Muhammad al-Durrah incident ( | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views), always careful to fall short of 3RR
This is a request for a topic ban of NickCT and Soledad22 from Muhammad al-Durrah incident, or a revert restriction.
Muhammad al-Durrah incident was promoted to featured article status on January 25. On February 11, User:Huldra complained about its promotion on Wikipedia Review. On February 13, two sporadically used accounts arrived at the article, NickCT and Soledad22, who have very few edits between them; NickCT has made just 170 edits to articles in nearly three years, and Soledad22 217 edits to articles in two years. A checkuser revealed no technical connection between them; see Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/NickCT/Archive. Between February 13 and today, the two accounts have jointly reverted 22 times against multiple editors, removing material from the lead, adding POV tags, fact tags, and dubious tags, and reordering sections. The issues they have raised are being discussed on talk, but the reverting continues anyway, and now the article has been protected on their version by Malik Shabbaz, who is involved in the talk-page discussion, with three tags in the last paragraph of the lead, something no recently promoted FA should have. See here. Given the proximity of the two accounts' arrival to the off-wiki comments, it seems likely that the disruption will continue regardless of any particular content issue. SlimVirgin TALK contribs 18:58, 26 February 2010 (UTC)
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Wow Slim. Really disturbing. First you claim I'm a sock puppet, now this? This is obviously a bad faith allegation made by an editor who is trying to WP:OWN an article, and is upset by other editors questioning potential POV statements. Apparently, instead of debating and seeking consensus (as the Al-Durrah talk page will show I have done), Slim prefers to mire people who disagree with her in this kind of frivilous arbitration. This is clearly bad faith, and it's the second time Slim has attempted this kind of shinanigans. I think Slim was prompted to do this now as I was demonstrating a lack of consensus for her wording? NickCT ( talk) 19:32, 26 February 2010 (UTC)
I sincerely apologize to SlimVirgin for protecting The Wrong Version, but somebody had to stop the edit-warring. For what it's worth, I agree that Featured Articles shouldn't have tags. — Malik Shabazz Talk/ Stalk 19:35, 26 February 2010 (UTC)
That's false. SlimV reverted the reorder of the Al-Durrahs above the 2 journalists without discussion, basically out of spite and WP:OWN. Removal of the unencyclopedic sentence of the child to "stone throwers" and beach attendance is minor. The Blood Libel link has not been edit warred by me, but by others, I have participated on the Discussion page where others agree the link is POV. Soledad22 ( talk) 20:39, 27 February 2010 (UTC)
When there is a dispute over content, there are a number of choices available to editors. One is to remove the content in question to the talk page until consensus regarding its inclusion or phrasing can be achieved. The other is to tag the content in question until a resolution can be found. NickCT and Soledad tried to remove, and then tag the content in question. While it is true that between them they made as many as 20 reverts, it is also true that SlimVirgin alone made as many as 12 reverts. I can understand SlimVirgin's frustration at being challenged over the content of an article she worked hard to bring up to FA status. That does not however excuse her meeting edit-warring with edit-warring or making bad faith assumption about editors who disagree with her (alleging socking, off-wiki conspiracies, or inability to transcend POV [33] [34], [35]). The article would not have had to be protected with the tags in place if the offending content was simply removed to talk when it was clear that multiple editors found it problematic. Tiamut talk 20:03, 26 February 2010 (UTC)
Soledad22 is definitely a cause of concern. The user expresses strong POV in his/her edits and removes appropriate information from the articles [36]; [37]; [38] (In the last diff I absolutely agree with the removing information, but the edit summary is way too strong IMO). This edit [39] shows strong Anti-Jewish tendency of the user style. I would also like to repeat what SlimVirgin said : " 214 edits to articles in two years, among them British National Party; The Jew of Malta; Template:Neo-fascism; [40] Ashkenazi intelligence; removed that "international Jewry" were scapegoats on Adolf Hitler; [41] attempted to downplay the proportion of Polish Jews killed at The Holocaust; [42] added something about anti-Christian bigotry among Jews at The Merchant of Venice (2004 film), [43] (and that's just a selection), and who then arrives here objecting to the mention of blood libel in the lead, and adding for good measure that there are too many photographs of Israelis and Jews in the article." IMO Soledad22 should be topic banned on all articles about Jews and Israelis because of a very high and bad-tasted anti_Jewish sentiments in it edits including, but not limited on the articles concerning the victims of the Holocaust and terrorists.-- Mbz1 ( talk) 23:31, 26 February 2010 (UTC)
I don't know NickCT but I remember noticing Soledad22 in April of 2009 when he got into a minor spat with someone (not me) on the Federal Reserve Board article which I've edited a lot and which is on my watchlist. At the time I took a look at the user's contributions and was bothered enough by their nature to remember the name, though since the user was relatively inactive I didn't do anything and let it go. So to add to MBz1's concerns please also consider these diffs - there's definitely an agenda here, and it's not a pretty one. Note that some of them are merely indicative of the kind of POV that this person is pushing, while others (some, admittedly, old) show blatant violations of Wikipedia rules and guideline: History of the Jews of Argentina - making sure to blame the victim Anti-intellectualism - the faith must not be smeared Template:Neo-fascism - see above "Third Position" - (code word for neo-fascism more or less) minor, but telling Henry Orenstein - minor, perhaps, but telling self explanatory, sourced material removed Jack Kerouac - removing sourced info and the first edit ever [44] Franz Boas -defending Kevin MacDonald before defending Kevin MacDonald was cool (among some people) There's some others too that I'm not going to include. And like some other commentators above I'm also suspicious of the fact that a user with only 265 edits is so adept at "hugging the fence" with respect to 3RR. radek ( talk) 23:05, 26 February 2010 (UTC)
Those are personal attacks as those edits were good edits and they helped Wikipedia articles. Is there a rule here that says Palestinian or Zionist editors must spread their edits around, because many do not and that is troubling as well? What matters is contributing to making Wikipedia an honest and good source of information. Personally, looking at SlimVirgin's edit history, I find MUCH that is troubling and suspicious for being POV and WP:OWN. Soledad22 ( talk) 20:02, 27 February 2010 (UTC)
As a disclaimer, I haven't been paying nearly as much attention to the Mohammad al-Durrah article itself as of late, and I haven't done any research into the edit patterns of these two editors. I've only been (lightly) involved in the talk page discussions, so my comments come from that perspective. In NickCT's defense, I think he has tried to engage in discussion on the article's talk page. He hasn't always been successful, and sometimes comes off as an editor trying to push a particular view, but I do think he at least attempted some form of dispute resolution or consensus building. His multi-tagging of the article's lead is inappropriate, but it might be possible to resolve such behavior with discussion and explanation. Perhaps mentorship would be an option? (Though mentorship could be handed down in addition to a topic ban on the article, rather than in place of one.) Soledad22 is another matter. He seems to be far more interested in edit warring and POV pushing than discussion, consensus, or following Wikipedia policies. The edit pattern other editors described above is disturbing, and I'd agree with those who suggested a wider topic ban to restrict Soledad22 from editing any articles on Jewish-related issues. ← George talk 00:27, 27 February 2010 (UTC) There are 3 edits in question: 1) Blood libel link (many others concur), 2) placing the subject article's persons (father & son) ahead of the journalists who covered the article (reverted w/o discussion) by SlimV, and 3) removal of one MINOR non-encyclopedic sentence that smears the child (sneaky guilt-by-association) to stone throwers. That's it. The descriptions here are very troubling, making things out to more than they are. Aren't personal attacks a violation on Wikipedia? Soledad22 ( talk) 20:23, 27 February 2010 (UTC)
I've not been following the article much lately either, but Soledad22's behaviour was so clearly out of line that I notified him of the I-P article probation four days ago [45]. It's worth noting that he continued to edit war following the notification. I agree with George that the evidence posted above of an anti-Semitic POV-pushing agenda is worrying; he should be subjected to a wide topic ban on all Jewish-related articles. -- ChrisO ( talk) 00:41, 27 February 2010 (UTC)
Equating "quoting Golda Meir" to Soledad's rancid bigotry says much more about NickCT's agenda than MBz1's. I welcome readers to look at the diff NickCT provided of my talk-page edit, and compare it to his characterization, and then ask why he's trying to throw mud on unrelated editors to distract from his own actions. THF ( talk) 00:04, 27 February 2010 (UTC) I endorse George's proposal to topic-ban Soledad22. THF ( talk) 11:59, 27 February 2010 (UTC) Rancid...that is a personal attack. I consider your comment rancid and toxic to collaboration. Stick to the 3 edits at hand, not making snarky comments. Thanks. Soledad22 ( talk) 20:26, 27 February 2010 (UTC)
I was a reviewer during the long and rigorous FAC process this article recently underwent. I was impressed by Slim Virgin's high level of skill in balancing the article's angle, in a field that can be politically/culturally sensitive. The article is a valuable example of how diverse sources can be synthesised in a NPOV way. I believe SV conducted her role as nominator with cooperation, responsiveness to criticism, politeness, and attention to fine detail. I was pleased to endorse the nomination: it is a good read, so to speak, and represents among the best of our work (as required of FACs). It is very disappointing to review the behaviour of the editors who are the subject of this complaint. I believe action to prevent further damage to the project is called for. Tony (talk) 12:30, 27 February 2010 (UTC)
1) Removal of an inappropriate POV link to Blood Libel which many others have agreed is good editing, 2) listing the subject article persons (the father and son, the Al-Durrahs) above the two "journalists", and 3) removal of a trivial connection of the child to "stone throwers", IMPROVES the article and these are basically minor edits in nature. SlimVirgin has very serious problems with WP:OWN and has disrupted others. I will discuss the edits to the article, not personal attacks. These 3 edits are the issue at hand. Thanks! Soledad22 ( talk) 19:57, 27 February 2010 (UTC) @radek Making an edit against misplaced child sacrifice in a religious ritual in an article about a CROSSFIRE-shooting incident IN A HOT BATTLEZONE, where no Arab has even accused Israelis or Jews of blood libel, is a very legit edit! So are the other two very minor edits of mine on this page, and all my other edits are legit as well. Your smear attempts are mendacious and it's meant to distract people from these 3 subject edits where there are others who agree with me. I've never had any problems with others on Wikipedia until this particular article, so this is more "telling" about you, SlimVirgin and some of the other very peculiar editors here than me. I've been researching your edit history, and SlimVirgin's too, and it seems that plenty and plenty of controversy follows. That is very "telling" to me. Soledad22 ( talk) 04:38, 28 February 2010 (UTC)
While most of us agree that all editors should edit aggressively, Featured Articles are generally expected to be stable. Editors should be encouraged to discuss major changes, discuss especially alterations to sensitive material and respect the hard work the FA contributors have done in bringing an article to featured level. Whenever someone protects (or unprotects) a page and they have even the slightest history of contributions to said page, they may risk the chance of losing their bit.-- MONGO 02:43, 28 February 2010 (UTC)
Looking at the evidence as presented, an early block or edit restriction on Soledad22 would seem to me to be a pretty urgent requirement here. That user is undoubtedly shedding more heat than light on an area which I think we all agree really does not need that. Guy ( Help!) 12:56, 28 February 2010 (UTC) Result
Continuing problemsHi Phil, just letting you know that the problems with NickCT's reverting continue, though on the talk page, not the article itself. I struck through Soledad's comment on the al-Durrah RfC after he was blocked: just the one RfC comment, not any of his others. Nick has reverted Also noting here that two more Soledad socks have been blocked. RHusaini ( talk · contribs) turned up at Muhammad al-Durrah incident, and User:DraftCB ( talk · contribs) at Death of Jeremiah Duggan, another article I've edited a lot. SlimVirgin TALK contribs 22:13, 3 March 2010 (UTC) Discussion
SV, I dont think the original strike outs are justified. WP:BAN calls for removing comments made in defiance of a ban, not all edits made prior to a ban. nableezy - 19:13, 3 March 2010 (UTC)
Mbz - With respect, I think "stink with antisemitism, the Holocaust denial and vandalism" is slightly POV (note: we discussed some of Soledad's comments in this respect). As I'd mentioned to you, some of Sole's post certainly seemed a little dubious, but his banning was shinanigans and motivated by SlimV's desire to WP:OWN Al-Durrah. As to your "interested to see here" - Not sure what the point is here. If you're suggesting I'm doing something innappropriate, please state what it is, then point to policy. Anyway, I don't think this is an appropriate forum, for continued discussion. I invite you to follow up on my talk page. Best NickCT ( talk) 20:01, 3 March 2010 (UTC)
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Dear Wikipedia editors, This is a formal request to have my personal information removed from your website. The information posted by user 'Jtir', is an infringement of my privacy rights. The user who posted them did so without my authority. I have persistently asked him to remove this information without any success or comment from him/her. I am having problems relating to the posting of my private, personal information.
Please attend to this matter at your earliest possible convenience, so that I can refrain from taking further action. Regards, Gerry McLoughlin Naples Florida
P.S. My Naples based information and name are posted 3/4 of the way down the page link below. His Username: Jtir The page in question: http://www.globalwarmingart.com/wiki/Wikipedia:Talk:Cellulosic_ethanol\ —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.5.2.232 ( talk • contribs)
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Request concerning Abd
Discussion concerning AbdStatement by AbdIn lieu of presenting extensive evidence, I'll point to this statement by JzG, cited above by SamJohnston: It's not clear this even would be a dispute without Abd's involvement. We have one WP:SPA making blatantly promotional COI edits, and one user making comments about it. We have a way of handling that... This is an opinion supporting my position that I'm an "originating party" within the apparent intention of the sanction. I was an involved editor with TurnKey Linux and began simply by making a few edits that reverted apparent aggressive edits by User:SamJohnston, and I did this to encourage discussion instead of revert warring, which was SamJohnston's approach. I warned LirazSiri about his mistakes, and he seems to have stopped. If not, he can be and should be blocked. Warnings from sympathetic editors are much more effective than tirades and cries of "spam" and "vandalism" and threats to AfD an editor's favorite topic if the editor doesn't "chill" with regard to a different article. The whole TurnKey Linux affair was an example of successful intervention by me in a dispute, however, resulting in the cessation of disruption and eventually a return of a sufficiently notable article to mainspace, confirmed unanimously at DRV (and, what is possibly relevant, undoing what JzG had done, though certainly the approved article was better than what JzG deleted). As to the second part of the JzG statement, the "one user" did not merely make "comments about it." That user threatened the COI/SPA off-wiki with retaliatory AfD on a different article, then, when asked to chill, himself, proceeded to retaliate on-wiki, with massive disruption, seeking every possible issue to raise, all at once. Some of the issue have a legitimate basis, others don't. But the intention has become clear: "Don't mess with me!" I will be requesting clarification from ArbComm over the application of my sanction to this. However, had I waited for approval from ArbComm (I considered requesting it -- ArbComm removed the mentorship provision, which would have allowed much more rapid approval), my expectation was that serious damage would be done, difficult to remediate. This is not a content issue, it is a behavioral issue. The content issues can be and will be resolved normally, if the behavioral issues are addressed. -- Abd ( talk) 18:13, 27 February 2010 (UTC)
@JzG: how about a 'back off" to Abd? As invited, Sandstein enjoined me from further comment on this case, and I acknowledged and accepted that. Now, how about a 'back off' to JzG, who is not exactly disinterested here? While Sandstein remains free to act further as chosen, the injunction should satisfy any concern about further possible disruption from me on this, and I've requested clarification on the sanction, supported by Sandstein, so that this won't happen again. Let's get back to the project here. That was my point in the first place. @Sandstein: As stated, I don't agree with your interpretation, which is why I filed an RfAr/Clarification, to encourage ArbComm to make it very clear. I will say that if the sanction is interpreted by ArbComm as it is being claimed it should be, I expect to respect it, as I attempted to respect the sanction already, but also to retire as an editor, and move all of my work off-wiki, where I cannot be interdicted, and where I will not be tempted to intervene if I see someone kicking someone who is down, which is not a "dispute," it's abuse, and abuse harms the project, and I'd stop the kicking, which has very little to do with the dispute behind it. The only loss for me will be some wikignoming, article work. The process work will not only not suffer, it will probably become more effective. However, my understanding of process is such that I'm obligated to accept your interpretation, and, as promised, I will respect it pending clarification by ArbComm. -- Abd ( talk) 06:05, 1 March 2010 (UTC) @EdJohnston: Thanks. Unfortunately, I don't "accept the verdict here," this isn't a court and it only decides ad-hoc implementation, subject to review by ArbComm if needed, and I don't see sufficient comment (showing understanding of the issues or even otherwise) for me to consider the interpretation permanently authoritative. What I've done is to agree to respect the ban interpretation as proposed (and then enforced) by Sandstein, even though this creates certain problems, pending clarification by ArbComm. I will interpret the ban quite strictly, unless permitted otherwise by Sandstein. Note, however, what it seems that this interpretation would allow me to do: If I have a problem with the behavior of an editor, and I warn that editor, and the editor blows it off, and I believe that the editor's actions are damaging the project, this is a dispute between me and that editor, and I'd be allowed to take that through DR or a noticeboard. I'd be an "originating party." Correct? I do not suggest debating this here, it should be moot for enforcement because of my agreement, and because this is the question that I hope ArbComm will be resolving. -- Abd ( talk) 06:44, 1 March 2010 (UTC)
Request close of this enforcement request. While it's open, it will continue to collect coats. The underlying issue is the topic of an RfAr/Clarification, the alleged violation here has been addressed and cannot recur (without me being immediately blocked, I can't exactly fly under the radar), I'm under a voluntarily accepted restriction that exceeds the ArbComm restriction, pending, there is an immediate means of further clarification if necessary (consulting with Sandstein), Sandstein has determined no (further) action at this time, and [81] is irrelevant to this request. -- Abd ( talk) 20:06, 1 March 2010 (UTC) Comments by others about the request concerning Abd
My heart sinks when I see Abd weighing in to a dispute on behalf of someone who is being "oppressed" for abusing Wikipedia for their own ends (as with Pcarbonn, Jed Rothwell of LENR-CANR.org and so on). I have a nasty suspicion that Abd is mainly interested in this because I was involved in the original deletion and/or deletion review of LirazSiri's article at TurnKey Linux ( | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views). It is unambiguously the case that LirazSiri ( talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log) is a single-purpose account whose purpose is, and always has been, the promotion of TurnKey Linux, a minor Linux project of which he is co-founder. The most recent set of abuses includes adding TurnKey into the high level {{ Cloud computing}} template: [82]. I noted in a comment that I am professionally involved in cloud computing, and Abd turned this round to assert that I have a potential COI. WTF? That is so wide of the mark it would be funny if it weren't for the fact that past experience indicates it will be tenaciously asserted until Abd is forcibly removed from this dispute. He asserts that he did not seek permission to violate his probation by becoming involved in the dispute because "the welfare of the project required immediate action" - to stop someone pushing back against a spammer promoting his own commercial interests. Riiiiight. He also describes another editor's actions as extortion. This is a criminal offence. Abd also uses misdirection, for example noting that I was admonished in a case not to use my administrative tools in a dispute where I am involved - I'd be really interested to see diffs showing abuse of tools here, that would be fascinating - while simultaneously, and as noted at the later Abd/WMC case, ignoring the instructions he was given in the same case. Abd is, to put it bluntly, a monumental time sink in every single dispute in which he's involved, as originator or not. Guy ( Help!) 18:02, 27 February 2010 (UTC)
This does indeed go back a way, as I thought it did. [83]; [84] Abd sets the scene for an exposition of "what Wikipedia did to you that was wrong" (which was: deleting an article on his company that he created and then immediately moved back to mainspace when it was userfied). [85] Abd recruits LirazSiri as a partisan to his dispute with me. You can see most of this from the history of user talk:LirazSiri and Special:Whatlinkshere/TurnKey Linux. This is not a new example of Abd escalating a dispute, it's an old example of Abd pursuing a crusade based on an action by someone he doesn't like. Whether that makes it more or less actionable is hard to say, really. Separately, I have requested a topic ban for LirazSiri - after an explicit warning nearly a year ago he is still making promotional edits and feigning innocent surprise when told that this is a problem. I think the community can probably handle that. Guy ( Help!) 09:37, 28 February 2010 (UTC) Re the comment that a request to Abd to back off won't do any good: yes, it will, if it's decided it's appropriate: see here [86] (involved) ☺ Coppertwig ( talk) 15:14, 28 February 2010 (UTC)
Result concerning Abd
After an initial review, the case appears to have merit. Unfortunately, the submitter has presented too many diffs as evidence, most of which do not appear to be violations of the cited remedy. (It is only these that are of interest here.) But at least this and subsequent edits to WP:ANI by Abd seem to violate his restriction from "discussing any dispute in which he is not an originating party." This is because the ANI request was framed by SamJohnston as a dispute between him and LirazSiri, and did not mention Abd. Although Abd appears to have been involved in the dispute, he was therefore not an originating party in the sense of the remedy, and, not being named in the ANI request against LirazSiri, had no legitimate need to reply to it. In view of this, I am of a mind to block Abd in enforcement of the remedy, but before doing so invite the comment of fellow admins as to whether or not they agree with this assessment. Sandstein 18:13, 27 February 2010 (UTC)
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Request concerning Interfase
Discussion concerning InterfaseStatement by InterfaseOn Kochari I reverted edits which I identifited as a vandalism. They removed interwikis to azwiki's article which also talks about Kochari dance. I returned them. -- Interfase ( talk) 11:00, 28 February 2010 (UTC)
Comments by others about the request concerning InterfaseLooking at the history of the article, I see that it is just about the removal of interwikis. Interfase adds Azeri and other interwikis to the article, which is quite in line with the rules, and other users keep on removing it. In particular, Hayk ( talk · contribs) made as many rvs as Interfase, but he is not mentioned in this report. I don't really understand why those interwikis should be removed, and why the person who inserts them is being reported, even if he does nothing wrong by adding them, while those who remove it are clearly wrong, and they are the ones who should be reported. Grand master 06:31, 1 March 2010 (UTC) I am wondering why is it that any new account which is suspicious from one side is directly blocked while nothing is done when the exact same thing is done from the other side? Also, Grandmaster has some explaining to do because some of the reports he files are reverts back to content that was reached by a consensus; basically the consensus version that he himself also supported. Here for instance. Reverting under the cover of reverting sockpuppetry is not a valid justification for reverting a wording agreed by all sides. - Fedayee ( talk) 04:09, 2 March 2010 (UTC)
Result concerning Interfase
I've placed Interfase under supervision for 3 months, which restricts him to 1RR/week. PhilKnight ( talk) 10:21, 1 March 2010 (UTC) |
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Request concerning Tothwolf
Explanation: In Tothwolf's arbcom case, 3 main editors (JBsupreme, Miami33139, Theserialcomma) filed evidence of tothwolf's long term uncivil behavior and paranoid/unsubstantiated allegations. as a result, the arbcom case closed with the result of tothwolf being admonished and restricted from making any future uncivil comments against us or any other editors - or he shall be blocked. tothwolf's behavior has remained unchanged. the diff posted shows he is still engaging in uncivil accusations against the same users from whom he's restricted. diff 2: [ [102]] Don't email me, don't contact me, don't bloody show up in IRC channels where you know I visit and brag "I'm gonna get Tothwolf banned!" Explanation: i've never contacted him off-wiki (and he's contacted me twice - i forwarded each to Arbcom's mailing list), nor have i been on irc with him (ridiculous). per tothwolf's restrictions, he is not to make unsubstantiated allegations without evidence. he just left a message on my talk page - against my requests for him to stay away - claiming i've 'emailed, contacted' and 'showed up on IRC' channels. he's paranoid, delusional, and arbcom has restricted him from making these uncivil allegations. he needs to be stopped.
Tothwolf has been gaming the system since his arbcom restrictions, testing the waters to see how uncivil he can be without repercussions. i hope that an uninvolved admin will scrutinize his restrictions and his behavior and come to the conclusion that the sanctions that resulted from this 2 month arbcom case are worth enforcing.
Discussion concerning TothwolfStatement by TothwolfSigh. Why am I not surprised Theserialcomma? How many times do you have to be told by myself and others (including multiple administrators) to leave me alone? I'm quite tired of you misquoting me and editing my words to suit your personal "desires" as you did above, and as you did repeatedly during the ArbCom case [103] (my responses to which were unfortunately moved to the talk page [104] by MBisanz [105] which appears to have led to those misquotes/false statements flying under the radar during the ArbCom case). While I did not mention you by name in my comments, Theserialcomma, I certainly did link to diffs to back up what I said (otherwise you would simply run to an admin, AN/I, or AE here and link to [106] as you've done before). Theserialcomma, you also made some very misleading statements above... JBsupreme presented no evidence in the ArbCom case [107] and both you and Miami33139 didn't want any part of the ArbCom case when it was still in the RFAR stage as "Hounding of Tothwolf". [108] [109] To summarise part of this [110] AN/I discussion: "Unfortunately, due to the case name, the material I presented was apparently thrown out and ignored by the person who wrote the draft decision. The original RFAR working name was "Hounding of Tothwolf" [111] but Manning Bartlett attempted to go with a more neutral name of "Tothwolf" [112] when he moved it from the RFAR stage to an open case. The case name discussion from Manning Bartlett's talk page can be found here." Theserialcomma, the personal attacks you continue to throw around while continuing to make statements such as "he's paranoid, delusional", etc. need to stop right now. This already came up in the last AN/I discussion here where I replied [113] to your last attacks: "You also need to stop referring to me as "paranoid", "delusional", "deviant", etc. That is a personal attack. You began attacking me with such statements after Miami33139 began making them. It's also quite obvious that you are not even medically qualified to make such claims; one of the very first things you are taught is: Don't diagnose unless you have a treatment plan." Theserialcomma: I'm tired of your on-wiki and off-wiki attacks. This has been going on for nearly a year [114] [115] ( full discussion) [116] ( full report) ( contribs) and clearly you simply being told to leave me alone (repeatedly, by multiple administrators and other editors, no less) isn't going to be effective. I've now emailed ArbCom, and while they obviously can't really stop your off-wiki actions, perhaps this time your on-wiki behaviours will finally be addressed. You've done this sort of thing to many other editors in the past, eventually leading to some of them finally blowing up at your harassment or baiting and getting blocked, or in the case of most, simply leaving Wikipedia. You apparently seem to enjoy being disruptive and causing strife for others and to be quite honest I'm not sure why someone didn't catch on to you much, much earlier. Wikipedia is not a game where you "win!" when you attempt to get someone "indef'd". [117] Theserialcomma: Let me be quite blunt with you, continuing to try to get me "banned from Wikipedia" isn't going to stop me from calling you out on your disruptive behaviours and harassment of other editors. -- Tothwolf ( talk) 21:40, 1 March 2010 (UTC) Comments by others about the request concerning TothwolfResult concerning Tothwolf
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Request concerning Gilabrand
She was topic banned from "Israeli-Palestinian conflict for the duration of three months. (For the avoidance of doubts, this includes all pages or discussions related to the topic, broadly construed." The comment she made here is clearly a discussion comment related to the Israeli-Palestinian conflict, broadly construed. In the article she had also added stuff related to the Palestinian-Israel conflict so its a part of it: [122]
It can also be argued that her edits to the Israeli art student scam AFD contravene the topic ban. Particularly considering that the reason Gilabrand got topic banned in the first place was spamming I-P related hate material into that very article.
Block or ban.
Discussion concerning GilabrandStatement by GilabrandComments by others about the request concerning GilabrandPalestine is not mentioned once on the article in question. The only argument that could be made is that similar editors are involved. The only thing left to say is: BOOOOOOO Cptnono ( talk) 10:45, 7 March 2010 (UTC)
(outdent) Gilabrand was topic-banned from I-P articles for the edits she made to Israeli art student scam. Participating in the AfD discussion for that article is clearly a violation of her topic ban. Insisting, as she did, that this article has nothing to do with the Israeli-Palestinian conflict (except in the mind of the person who created it), when she has made edits like this to the article, is not only an assumption of bad faith, but is richly ironic. How she or anyone can argue that her edits to the AfD fall outside the scope of her topic ban is bewildering, to say the least. Tiamut talk 12:45, 7 March 2010 (UTC)
Off-shoot possible breach?
Statement by Mbz1
I suggest:
Statement by FactsonthegroundAside from the link Supremedelicious provided, Gilabrand also discussed a controversial I-P article ( Sheikh Jarrah) on Nsaum's talk page: [127]. She also never responded to the original ANI about posting hate material into Israeli art student scam, which suggests she doesn't accept that she did anything wrong. Factsontheground ( talk) 12:59, 7 March 2010 (UTC)
Statement by Nsaum75Since an "incident" on my talk page is mentioned above, I feel the need to comment: This whole situation appears to be turning into some sort of witch hunt, with several users trying to find an angle that will "stick" in order to "punish" an editor they may have an issue with. Remember: "anything can be 'revealed' if you go over it enough with a fine-tooth-comb." -- nsaum75 ¡שיחת! 15:51, 8 March 2010 (UTC) Result concerning Gilabrand
In the cited edit ( [128]), Gilabrand stated in the edit summary "this article has nothing to do with the Israeli-Palestinian conflict (except in the mind of the person who created it)". For the sake of argument I am ignoring the inappropriate deletion of Factsontheground's comment and taking this as if she had replied to his comment with what she said in the edit summary. With that we have this exchange:
Gilabrand here clearly mentioned the Israeli-Palestinian conflict solely for the purpose of defending herself against Factsontheground's implied allegation that she violated the topic ban. If Factsontheground had not accused her of a violation, she would likely not have mentioned the conflict. This is not meant to say that Factsontheground did anything wrong. I think it is not in the best interest of Wikipedia to say that this violates the topic ban. It is clearly necessary for the accused to mention the topic in order to mount a defense against an alleged topic ban violation. The argument presented by Supreme Deliciousness appears to be that that necessary mention in itself constitutes discussion of the topic, which itself is a violation of the topic ban. Enforcement in this case would effectively deny an editor accused of violating a topic ban the ability to defend themselves against the accusation. I do not believe that is the intention of the discretionary sanction as specified by Arbcom. Making a reasonable statement rebutting an accusation does not fall under "repeatedly or seriously fails to adhere to the purpose of Wikipedia, any expected standards of behavior, or any normal editorial process." Also, Gilabrand would have to mention the topic on this page in order to make a statement, thus violating the topic ban. Therefore, I recommend against a block/ban. Evil saltine ( talk) 12:39, 7 March 2010 (UTC)
Without commenting on the merits of the original complaint, I have now blocked Gilabrand for this edit, which was brought up today in an ANI thread and clearly constitutes a breach of the ban. Fut.Perf. ☼ 16:19, 8 March 2010 (UTC)
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Please note that Scientology in Germany ( | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views), an article for which I have been the main contributor, is currently classified as a Good Article.
For reference, Wispanow has made similar and equally far-fetched accusations of anti-German racism in other contexts:
Note: This thread has been moved here from ANI. -- JN 466 19:21, 8 March 2010 (UTC)
Read the accusations and preparing an answer. Wispanow ( talk) 00:16, 10 March 2010 (UTC)
I am sorry but i have a lot of work to do this week. Any detailed answer takes probably until sunday.
In the meantime these statements:
1. Stating reality in an appropriate manner is the main thing ANY encyclopedia and the discussion about it is for. Leaves to prove what is reality and appropriate.
2. I propose to close this case, because this is not the optimum place to discuss if the article represents reality or a wrong or even racist viewpoint. And the adequacy depends on that, probably insulting a whole nation with over 80 million people.
3. Although it is clear that it offends especially Jayen466, it is not my intention and i have not done it, excluding my call to topic ban Jayen466 and stating reasons. Although this may be unpleasant to discuss for Jayen466, please recognize that it is even more unpleasant and insulting for me being wrongly accused. But it is necessary in such a procedure, as it was before for Jayen466 of being accused for providing a biased viewpoint of Scientology.
4. I am quite sure that the discussion will soon come to results and to my attempt to ban Jayen466 from Scientology topics (probably only with relation to Germany) as it was done before.
5. If i am wrong in main parts, i promise to leave any Scientology related topic. And apologize, begging for forgiveness.
In the meantime i am sorry for any use of upsetting but appropriate words.
Until now i haven't time to write a detailed answer, but can quickly state some facts.
I accuse mainly time.com and partly bbc.co.uk (and others) for stating an unbalanced, wrong and/or even racist viewpoint of Germany and german people. Therefore it will not help adding additional sources just mentioning the same viewpoint, but check if its real or wrong or racist.
In case of human rights, this means mainly court judgments or VERY difficult to achieve balanced view of actions happened.
Listed sources are insufficient; search for more.
the term "racial discrimination" shall mean any distinction, exclusion, restriction or preference based on race, colour, descent, or national or ethnic origin which has the purpose or effect of nullifying or impairing the recognition, enjoyment or exercise, on an equal footing, of human rights and fundamental freedoms in the political, economic, social, cultural or any other field of public life. [1]
Leaves to define discrimination:
...any distinction, exclusion, restriction or preference based on race, color, descent, or national or ethnic origin which has the purpose or effect of nullifying or impairing the recognition, enjoyment or exercise, on an equal footing, of human rights and fundamental freedoms in the political, economic, social, cultural or any other field of public life.(Part 1 of Article 1 of the U.N. International Convention on the Elimination of All Forms of Racial Discrimination) [4]
I prefer to add two more points:
To be proven.
If you need more to close this case without punishment or topic ban, i hope i can deliver sunday. Wispanow ( talk) 14:56, 11 March 2010 (UTC)
Thank you very much for your comments. Due to lack of time today i prepare an quick answer tomorrow. More details Sunday. Please notice that it takes a lot of effort and time because i clearly stated that MAIN PARTS of the article are inappropriate, unbalanced, biased or wrong. It is time enough to discuss, if you want to make it here, and the article is editprotected.
Wispanow (
talk) 15:47, 12 March 2010 (UTC)
Strong and unbalanced accusations of Jayen466: Please wait for a detailed answer until sunday. In the meantime:
I accused Jayen466 first writing a biased, unbalanced viewpoint which can be seen as containing a racist view. Thats what i am accused here. And i claimed a topic-ban for Jayen466 first. If i am topic-banned, he increases his chances not to be topic-banned. Please consider therefore that Jayen466 may be biased in this case!
Details, more facts and why it is appropriate sunday. In the meantime consider his accusations as unbalanced. Wispanow ( talk) 17:21, 12 March 2010 (UTC)
This is hard to measure. Hot button words such as "racist" and "cult" are seldom appropriate and require careful contextualization in the few instances where no calmer substitute is available. Winspanow needs a caution in that regard. Regarding the rest, it would be useful if someone with good familiarity in the subject weighed in because what Winspanow appears to be asserting is that the article violates WP:UNDUE. In the context of WP:UNDUE it can be appropriate to remove reliably sourced information so that one section or topic or POV does not unduly dominate an article. I don't know this subject well enough to determine whether the undue weight clause properly applies. Would be more inclined to read Jayen466's report at face value if it had also disclosed that the Scientology decision passed a finding of fact that he had been "edit-warring apparently to advance an agenda", and had page banned Jayen466 from the biography of a prominent critic of new religious movements: see Wikipedia:ARBSCI#Jayen466, Wikipedia:ARBSCI#Jayen466_topic-banned_from_Rick_Ross_articles. Subsequently Jayen466 has contributed quality content on related material, so possibly his response is a fair one. Yet Wispanow has edited Wikipedia since 2007 without any blocks at all except for the brief recent one which was overturned procedurally. Is this primarily a content dispute? Could a content RfC or mediation be tried before invoking discretionary sanctions? Durova 412 22:37, 8 March 2010 (UTC)
Could you please format this request in the standard format ({{ Sanction enforcement request}})? Sandstein 19:38, 8 March 2010 (UTC)
I'll know where to go next time. ;) Here is another Wispanow edit from earlier on.
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Request concerning Monshuai
Discussion concerning MonshuaiStatement by MonshuaiI must cover the allegations against me even whilst I am limited in what I am allowed to say. Future Perfect at Sunrise states that I support the claim that the Bulgars are Iranian (Aryan) and not Turkic. This is patently false! As I stated before, years ago I believed that all theories about the Bulgars' ancestry be included in the respective article, as there did not seem to be absolute consensus amongst academics regarding their origins. I was also under the impression that Dr. Peter Dobrev's (of the Bulgarian Academy of Sciences) Iranian-Bulgar theory was properly referenced and peer reviewed. However after studying the issue I came to the conclusion that his theory was not supported by a majority of the academic community and therefore most of the evidence pointed to the (Hunno-Bulgar) Turkic theory being correct. In other words, through intense research and education I came to view the Iranian hypothesis that I previously supported as being what Wikipedians refer to as a fringe theory. Therefore I stopped supporting its inclusion and all my edits hence forth were in favour of the Hunno-Bulgar Turkic theory. I have also read about the theory proposed by Dr. Shin Yong-Ha that the Bulgars originally stem from the Korean Peninsula as the Bu-Yeo culture that then migrated to the region presently known as Greater Mongolia. It seems Dr. Shin's premise directly ties to the primary theories about the Bulgars' Altaic (Turkic) origins. In other words, there is growing evidence that the Bulgars stem from central regions of north-eastern Asia. In light of this I was the one that made the edit that the Bulgars are associated with the Turkic Huns and that they originate in the steppes of Mongolia. Further still, I added another constructive edit (removed consequently by another editor) that according to academics the Bulgars were comprised of loosely confederated steppe peoples of various backgrounds. Thus I have shown that with hard work and in-depth research of numerous reliable sources I can not only admit my past errors of supporting a fringe theory of Dr. Peter Dobrev, but more importantly fix those errors! From the start I have stated that all modern nations are composites of multiple ancestral groups, and thus I have always been opposed to the racial purity theories propagated by many other editors. As an example of this, please look into my more recent edits about Bulgarians being an amalgamation of different ethnic groups. I have used the following sources to show this:
Now before I continue, my understanding is that Sandstein has told me that in this arbitration case I cannot make direct name references to the edits made by other involved editors on pages where there was a relevant conflict. Thus I am not going to state their names or give links to their respective edits. Continuing on, I tried to reason with the editor who tried to racially profile the First Bulgarian Empire by trying to explain to him that the state was multi-cultural and multi-ethnic. I told him it was inappropriate to do what he was doing. I showed this editor the sources (a few of which are provided above) and I stated in the talk page that "the role of the Bulgars was to incorporate various ethnic groups into their empire. These were the Slav and local Byzantine populations. Since you (the editor) insist that ethnicities be mentioned, then the relevant roles and amalgamation of the various ethnic groups in the formation of the state also must be mentioned." Indeed, this was disregarded by the editor and he continued to push the racial purity perspective. I then researched 20 sources and made them available to everyone. I included page numbers so that the referenced information could be easily found by interested parties. In doing so I tried to explain that it is disingenuous to racially profile a country as "pure" and that indeed there is a difference between Bulgars and Bulgarians. As I stated in the talk page, "the Bulgars were an ancient group, while the Bulgarians are a modern ethnicity that is a composite of several ethnic groups." Please ask yourselves whose comments are divisive, mine or that of the other editor(s). Thus I repeat, I am using credible academic sources to show the contributions of multiple groups to the formation of a modern state. That is the opposite of what I am being accused of here. In addition, I am being lambasted for edits that I have made in the past, while my recent patience and use of sources in the talk pages is being avoided in the discussion herein. It is true that years ago I made questionable edits and even got involved in a revert war for which I was blocked for 24 hours (the only block I have received in 3.5 years of contributing in Wikipedia). I learned not to get involved in revert wars and therefore began using talk pages to present sources and intellectually debate various issues. A few months ago I was involved in another long talk page discussion. However after reading the sources provided by one of the editors who was countering my arguments, I realized that his premise was backed by better evidence than the one I had presented. Thus I thanked this editor for his impartiality in analyzing the said source and I left the discussion and article never to go back to it again. In summary, I have evolved as an editor, who both respects and presents credible sources and always uses talk pages. Unfortunately, the credible sources that I presented recently were disregarded by other involved editors (including my accuser) who made false statements about me not providing page numbers, the inadmissibility of tertiary sources like Britannica, etc... There is much more that I want to discuss, however the ground rules laid by Sandstein do not allow me to compose a more detailed defence. I must also say that while I respect Sandstein for originally telling my accuser that I must be given a chance to speak in WP:ANI, I disagree with him for stopping that discussion soon after it began. My hands are tied there and also partially tied here. Despite his opinion on this matter and communicated intention of wanting to rule against me very soon, I believe he is a good administrator and I ask him to look at everything I have recently said and done (both in the WP:ANI discussion and in talk pages) to note that unlike some of the other editors involved in the recent conflicts I do not get involved in revert wars, I respect and propagate the multi-cultural heritage of all modern states, I use reliable sources to back my arguments and I maintain a polite tone as I never use foul language. Thank you for your time.-- Monshuai ( talk) 12:48, 18 February 2010 (UTC)
Comments by others about the request concerning Monshuai
Comment by SandsteinA few ground rules, please. This is arbitration enforcement. The purpose of this board is to help a single administrator decide whether they should take enforcement action as requested. Community consensus for or against sanctions is neither required nor sought. There is no voting. Each contributing editor should limit themselves to a single statement in a separate section, as here. That statement should address no other question than whether or not the requested enforcement is warranted. Please do not discuss any other issues, such as the content issues underlying this request, or the conduct of users other than Monshuai (but you may make a separate request regarding them if warranted). There should be no threaded discussion. Disruptive conduct on this board is likely to result in rapid sanctions. Thank you. Sandstein 23:56, 16 February 2010 (UTC)
Comment by Fut.Perf.As I said on the ANI thread, I support this request for sanctions. Monshuai is the paradigm case of a tendentious editor; all his edits are designed to push some national agenda of his, often agendas connected to fringe claims (such as the Aryan/non-Turkic background of the ancient Bulgars, or promotion of continuity between ancient Thracians and modern Bulgarians). This has gone on for too long, and has led to disruption on too many articles. Fut.Perf. ☼ 06:56, 17 February 2010 (UTC) Comment by SulmuesStrongly Oppose: As I understand it, Arbitration Enforcement enforces a closed Arbitration Committee ruling. There was no ruling at the ANI, therefore, this is the wrong place to enforce a ruling that does not exist yet. In addition, the ruling (had it existed) should not be based on voting but on strength of arguments presented. Furthermore, Monshuai is being accused of not abiding by ARBMAC rules while defending himself in the ANI thread. I really don't find any grounds why he should not defend himself and why he should not have the right to do so in the ANI. Furthermore he fully respected the rules while he defended himself. For the rest, I have already stated my strong support for Monshuai as an excellent contributor in Wikipedia, an honest intellectual that challenges the status quo with arguments that undermine weak conclusions of which Wikipedia is plenty, and also a person that is much more polite that many users who were involved at the ANI. We need more contributors like Monshuai, not less. You can also see my many long comments in the ANI for what I think about this case and its members. In addition, I request that the additional comment on the voter's nationalities at the ANI as told by Athenean above (and as soon as that is done, also this sentence of mine) be striken out of the record, because they are irrelevant, in addition to being incorrect (e.g. preslav is not Bulgarian). Last but not least: Voting was 6-2 at the ANI, (not 10-2 like Athenean is claiming) and two of the "supports" were indeed "weak supports", whereas one "oppose" (mine) was "strong oppose". Kind regards to all! sulmues talk --Sulmues 14:29, 17 February 2010 (UTC) Comment by uninvolved editor LoosmarkIn my opinion the indefinite ban proposed by Sandstein bellow is too harsh. If there is really a need for sanctions then a milder one should be applied giving the editor a chance to reform and edit in accordance with wikipedia guidelines. Dr. Loosmark 23:23, 17 February 2010 (UTC) Result concerning Monshuai
I have conducted a somewhat limited review (given time constraints) of the very large amount of evidence submitted at [7]. In my opinion, the request has merit. There is extensive evidence of longtime and persistent editing in violation of WP:NPOV, with a view to glorifying Bulgarian ancient history, alleged racial heritage, accomplishments, etc; combined with aggressive WP:BATTLEGROUND-type conduct towards others in that topic area, notably much of this after the WP:ARBMAC warning. This is prototypical nationalist POV-pushing, which Wikipedia is not for ( WP:ARBMAC#Purpose of Wikipedia). In my opinion, an indefinite ban from the topic of Bulgaria (broadly construed, including Bulgarians, Bulgarian ancient history, ancient peoples on modern-day Bulgarian territory etc.) is required to stop this. Unless other uninvolved admins disagree, I intend to impose such a ban in about a day under the authority of WP:ARBMAC#Discretionary sanctions. Sandstein 22:41, 17 February 2010 (UTC)
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Request concerning Tothwolf
Discussion concerning TothwolfStatement by TothwolfRelated discussion -- Tothwolf ( talk) 01:26, 18 February 2010 (UTC) Comments by others about the request concerning Tothwolf
you should visit the diff in question that tothwolf has linked [ [10]] which links to [ [11]]. tothwolf has been specifically restricted by arbcom to not make allegations against other editors. the diff that tothwolf has restored states "(the case against) yourself, Miami33139 and JBsupreme due to your wikihounding, harassment, collusion, and gaming of the system." claims that me, jbsupreme, and miami33139 are harassing, wikihounding, colluding, or gaming are in violations of http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case/Tothwolf#Allegations_against_other_editors . tothwolf is not allowed to accuse or make allegations of wikihounding or harassing against anyone, let alone the people who filed evidence against him in his arbcom case. tothwolf is gaming the system to use his talk page as a soapbox to link to a diff which rehashes allegations that have been rejected by arbcom. this is a violation of his restrictions. no allegations. no casting aspersions. the violation is obvious. he cannot link to diffs that accuse specific editors of harassment and hounding and he cannot place the link on the top of his talk page. this is a violation of his restriction Theserialcomma ( talk) 03:10, 18 February 2010 (UTC)
Comment by A Stop at WilloughbyThe comment to which Theserialcomma is referring (the one including the diff at issue) is timestamped January 5, 2010. The Tothwolf case was closed on January 25, 2010. I cannot see how his comment violated a remedy that had barely been drafted at the time. It seems that Theserialcomma is filing this AE request on the grounds that Tothwolf reverted this edit, in which Theserialcomma modified a comment Tothwolf made on his talk page, alleging a personal attack. First of all, it is hard to see how a mere inclusion of a diff can be construed as a personal attack. Secondly, it is concerning that Theserialcomma performed this edit out of the blue in what certainly seems like an attempt to bait Tothwolf into violating his restriction. He should knock it off, and this request should be closed with no action taken.
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1st revert, 2nd revert, 3rd revert 3 violations of 1RR.
Supre Deliciousness has made 3 reverts on one day, in direct violation of his 1RR restriction. I ask you to please take action, this time to block him indefinitely, since he has been violating his ban so many times.
Statement by Supreme DeliciousnessThose three edits I made were also at talkpages, not articles, and what I did was to strike out the comments from a sock puppet, there was no content changes. -- Supreme Deliciousness ( talk) 15:45, 20 February 2010 (UTC) Discussion concerning Supreme DeliciousnessComment by Fut.Perf.Those three reverts listed above are three reverts on three different pages. According to Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case/Asmahan, he is restricted to 1rv per week per page. This doesn't seem to be technically a violation of the ruling, and the reverts themselves don't look intrinsically disruptive to me. Fut.Perf. ☼ 15:12, 20 February 2010 (UTC) Result concerning Supreme DeliciousnessNot actionable. I agree with Future Perfect at Sunrise above. Since the reverts concern three different pages, the remedy is not violated. Nefer Tweety, please stop making non-actionable requests, or you may be banned from using this board. Sandstein 16:08, 20 February 2010 (UTC) |
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Request concerning Brews ohare
Discussion concerning Brews OhareStatement by Brews OhareThis is another ridiculous action brought against me for no reason. Both evidential diffs are from Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Edit warring, not on any physics-related page, and neither are about physics. In particular:
Unfortunately, Headbomb has no concept of what is inimical to WP, and simply likes to make trouble. Actions should not be brought where no disturbance or harm to WP is involved. Headbomb should have his head handed to him for making trouble over nothing again and again. The comments made by me are general comments intended to put oil on troubled water, and are in no way physics based, or related in any way to my sanctions. Brews ohare ( talk) 06:53, 22 February 2010 (UTC) Comments by others about the request concerning Brews Ohare
Result concerning Brews Ohare
Blocked for a week. The request has merit. The edits were made to Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Edit warring, which violates Brews Ohare's indefinite ban from editing Wikipedia and Wikipedia talk namespaces, as imposed as a discretionary sanction by Tznkai at Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case/Speed of light#Log of blocks, bans, and restrictions. The article at issue is Infraparticle, which is physics-related. With respect to that article, in the cited diffs, Brews Ohare says:
This violates his arbitral topic ban "from all physics-related discussions, broadly construed", as well as the even clearer ban from "disputes stemming from physics-related content" as per Tznkai's restriction. To determine the appropriate sanction, Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case/Speed of light#Enforcement by block advises that "Should any user subject to a topic ban in this case violate that restriction, or any user subject to discretionary sanctions in this case violate a restriction imposed by an uninvolved administrator, that user may be briefly blocked, up to a week in the event of repeated violations. After 3 blocks, the maximum block shall increase to one year." This being Brews Ohare's third AE block, it is set at one week's duration. Sandstein 07:22, 22 February 2010 (UTC) |
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Request concerning David Tombe
Discussion concerning David TombeStatement by David TombeComments by others about the request concerning David TombeComment by Hell in a BucketBlocking David for the truth doesn't make it less true. Comment by Michael C PriceI'm struggling to see the the violation by David here. His restriction requires him to be warned first, and he wasn't. His topic ban relates to physics, and in the 3 diffs provided he is commenting on the justice or otherwise of blocks, bans and behaviour. -- Michael C. Price talk 04:56, 22 February 2010 (UTC) Comment by LikeboxThis enforcement action is not timed properly--- the accusations are over taking sides in another dispute, and the enforcement request seems on its face to be an abuse of the Wikipedia enforcement mechanisms in order to settle private scores. Likebox ( talk) 14:10, 22 February 2010 (UTC) Comment by SandsteinI agree with Michael C. Price. Sandstein 07:09, 22 February 2010 (UTC) Result concerning David Tombe
Closed as not actionable per the above. Sandstein 19:15, 22 February 2010 (UTC) |
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Request concerning Arab Cowboy
He was banned from all articles and their associated talk pages within the scope of the Asmahan case for abuse of alternative accounts: [22] "If you violate this ban through either your main account or through sockpuppets, you will be blocked." Omar Sharif is a part of the scope of the case as can be seen in its history and also has been mentioned in the arbitration case: [23] [24] [25] Omar Sharif discussion continued from its talkpage to the BLP noticeboard, so that would be an associated page. AC made several posts there in the Omar Sharif discussion: [26] [27] [28]
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Soledad22 ( talk · contribs) indefinitely blocked, and NickCT ( talk · contribs) notified of the WP:ARBPIA editing restrictions |
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Request concerning NickCT and Soledad22
Reverting against multiple editors since February 13 at Muhammad al-Durrah incident ( | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views), always careful to fall short of 3RR
This is a request for a topic ban of NickCT and Soledad22 from Muhammad al-Durrah incident, or a revert restriction.
Muhammad al-Durrah incident was promoted to featured article status on January 25. On February 11, User:Huldra complained about its promotion on Wikipedia Review. On February 13, two sporadically used accounts arrived at the article, NickCT and Soledad22, who have very few edits between them; NickCT has made just 170 edits to articles in nearly three years, and Soledad22 217 edits to articles in two years. A checkuser revealed no technical connection between them; see Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/NickCT/Archive. Between February 13 and today, the two accounts have jointly reverted 22 times against multiple editors, removing material from the lead, adding POV tags, fact tags, and dubious tags, and reordering sections. The issues they have raised are being discussed on talk, but the reverting continues anyway, and now the article has been protected on their version by Malik Shabbaz, who is involved in the talk-page discussion, with three tags in the last paragraph of the lead, something no recently promoted FA should have. See here. Given the proximity of the two accounts' arrival to the off-wiki comments, it seems likely that the disruption will continue regardless of any particular content issue. SlimVirgin TALK contribs 18:58, 26 February 2010 (UTC)
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Wow Slim. Really disturbing. First you claim I'm a sock puppet, now this? This is obviously a bad faith allegation made by an editor who is trying to WP:OWN an article, and is upset by other editors questioning potential POV statements. Apparently, instead of debating and seeking consensus (as the Al-Durrah talk page will show I have done), Slim prefers to mire people who disagree with her in this kind of frivilous arbitration. This is clearly bad faith, and it's the second time Slim has attempted this kind of shinanigans. I think Slim was prompted to do this now as I was demonstrating a lack of consensus for her wording? NickCT ( talk) 19:32, 26 February 2010 (UTC)
I sincerely apologize to SlimVirgin for protecting The Wrong Version, but somebody had to stop the edit-warring. For what it's worth, I agree that Featured Articles shouldn't have tags. — Malik Shabazz Talk/ Stalk 19:35, 26 February 2010 (UTC)
That's false. SlimV reverted the reorder of the Al-Durrahs above the 2 journalists without discussion, basically out of spite and WP:OWN. Removal of the unencyclopedic sentence of the child to "stone throwers" and beach attendance is minor. The Blood Libel link has not been edit warred by me, but by others, I have participated on the Discussion page where others agree the link is POV. Soledad22 ( talk) 20:39, 27 February 2010 (UTC)
When there is a dispute over content, there are a number of choices available to editors. One is to remove the content in question to the talk page until consensus regarding its inclusion or phrasing can be achieved. The other is to tag the content in question until a resolution can be found. NickCT and Soledad tried to remove, and then tag the content in question. While it is true that between them they made as many as 20 reverts, it is also true that SlimVirgin alone made as many as 12 reverts. I can understand SlimVirgin's frustration at being challenged over the content of an article she worked hard to bring up to FA status. That does not however excuse her meeting edit-warring with edit-warring or making bad faith assumption about editors who disagree with her (alleging socking, off-wiki conspiracies, or inability to transcend POV [33] [34], [35]). The article would not have had to be protected with the tags in place if the offending content was simply removed to talk when it was clear that multiple editors found it problematic. Tiamut talk 20:03, 26 February 2010 (UTC)
Soledad22 is definitely a cause of concern. The user expresses strong POV in his/her edits and removes appropriate information from the articles [36]; [37]; [38] (In the last diff I absolutely agree with the removing information, but the edit summary is way too strong IMO). This edit [39] shows strong Anti-Jewish tendency of the user style. I would also like to repeat what SlimVirgin said : " 214 edits to articles in two years, among them British National Party; The Jew of Malta; Template:Neo-fascism; [40] Ashkenazi intelligence; removed that "international Jewry" were scapegoats on Adolf Hitler; [41] attempted to downplay the proportion of Polish Jews killed at The Holocaust; [42] added something about anti-Christian bigotry among Jews at The Merchant of Venice (2004 film), [43] (and that's just a selection), and who then arrives here objecting to the mention of blood libel in the lead, and adding for good measure that there are too many photographs of Israelis and Jews in the article." IMO Soledad22 should be topic banned on all articles about Jews and Israelis because of a very high and bad-tasted anti_Jewish sentiments in it edits including, but not limited on the articles concerning the victims of the Holocaust and terrorists.-- Mbz1 ( talk) 23:31, 26 February 2010 (UTC)
I don't know NickCT but I remember noticing Soledad22 in April of 2009 when he got into a minor spat with someone (not me) on the Federal Reserve Board article which I've edited a lot and which is on my watchlist. At the time I took a look at the user's contributions and was bothered enough by their nature to remember the name, though since the user was relatively inactive I didn't do anything and let it go. So to add to MBz1's concerns please also consider these diffs - there's definitely an agenda here, and it's not a pretty one. Note that some of them are merely indicative of the kind of POV that this person is pushing, while others (some, admittedly, old) show blatant violations of Wikipedia rules and guideline: History of the Jews of Argentina - making sure to blame the victim Anti-intellectualism - the faith must not be smeared Template:Neo-fascism - see above "Third Position" - (code word for neo-fascism more or less) minor, but telling Henry Orenstein - minor, perhaps, but telling self explanatory, sourced material removed Jack Kerouac - removing sourced info and the first edit ever [44] Franz Boas -defending Kevin MacDonald before defending Kevin MacDonald was cool (among some people) There's some others too that I'm not going to include. And like some other commentators above I'm also suspicious of the fact that a user with only 265 edits is so adept at "hugging the fence" with respect to 3RR. radek ( talk) 23:05, 26 February 2010 (UTC)
Those are personal attacks as those edits were good edits and they helped Wikipedia articles. Is there a rule here that says Palestinian or Zionist editors must spread their edits around, because many do not and that is troubling as well? What matters is contributing to making Wikipedia an honest and good source of information. Personally, looking at SlimVirgin's edit history, I find MUCH that is troubling and suspicious for being POV and WP:OWN. Soledad22 ( talk) 20:02, 27 February 2010 (UTC)
As a disclaimer, I haven't been paying nearly as much attention to the Mohammad al-Durrah article itself as of late, and I haven't done any research into the edit patterns of these two editors. I've only been (lightly) involved in the talk page discussions, so my comments come from that perspective. In NickCT's defense, I think he has tried to engage in discussion on the article's talk page. He hasn't always been successful, and sometimes comes off as an editor trying to push a particular view, but I do think he at least attempted some form of dispute resolution or consensus building. His multi-tagging of the article's lead is inappropriate, but it might be possible to resolve such behavior with discussion and explanation. Perhaps mentorship would be an option? (Though mentorship could be handed down in addition to a topic ban on the article, rather than in place of one.) Soledad22 is another matter. He seems to be far more interested in edit warring and POV pushing than discussion, consensus, or following Wikipedia policies. The edit pattern other editors described above is disturbing, and I'd agree with those who suggested a wider topic ban to restrict Soledad22 from editing any articles on Jewish-related issues. ← George talk 00:27, 27 February 2010 (UTC) There are 3 edits in question: 1) Blood libel link (many others concur), 2) placing the subject article's persons (father & son) ahead of the journalists who covered the article (reverted w/o discussion) by SlimV, and 3) removal of one MINOR non-encyclopedic sentence that smears the child (sneaky guilt-by-association) to stone throwers. That's it. The descriptions here are very troubling, making things out to more than they are. Aren't personal attacks a violation on Wikipedia? Soledad22 ( talk) 20:23, 27 February 2010 (UTC)
I've not been following the article much lately either, but Soledad22's behaviour was so clearly out of line that I notified him of the I-P article probation four days ago [45]. It's worth noting that he continued to edit war following the notification. I agree with George that the evidence posted above of an anti-Semitic POV-pushing agenda is worrying; he should be subjected to a wide topic ban on all Jewish-related articles. -- ChrisO ( talk) 00:41, 27 February 2010 (UTC)
Equating "quoting Golda Meir" to Soledad's rancid bigotry says much more about NickCT's agenda than MBz1's. I welcome readers to look at the diff NickCT provided of my talk-page edit, and compare it to his characterization, and then ask why he's trying to throw mud on unrelated editors to distract from his own actions. THF ( talk) 00:04, 27 February 2010 (UTC) I endorse George's proposal to topic-ban Soledad22. THF ( talk) 11:59, 27 February 2010 (UTC) Rancid...that is a personal attack. I consider your comment rancid and toxic to collaboration. Stick to the 3 edits at hand, not making snarky comments. Thanks. Soledad22 ( talk) 20:26, 27 February 2010 (UTC)
I was a reviewer during the long and rigorous FAC process this article recently underwent. I was impressed by Slim Virgin's high level of skill in balancing the article's angle, in a field that can be politically/culturally sensitive. The article is a valuable example of how diverse sources can be synthesised in a NPOV way. I believe SV conducted her role as nominator with cooperation, responsiveness to criticism, politeness, and attention to fine detail. I was pleased to endorse the nomination: it is a good read, so to speak, and represents among the best of our work (as required of FACs). It is very disappointing to review the behaviour of the editors who are the subject of this complaint. I believe action to prevent further damage to the project is called for. Tony (talk) 12:30, 27 February 2010 (UTC)
1) Removal of an inappropriate POV link to Blood Libel which many others have agreed is good editing, 2) listing the subject article persons (the father and son, the Al-Durrahs) above the two "journalists", and 3) removal of a trivial connection of the child to "stone throwers", IMPROVES the article and these are basically minor edits in nature. SlimVirgin has very serious problems with WP:OWN and has disrupted others. I will discuss the edits to the article, not personal attacks. These 3 edits are the issue at hand. Thanks! Soledad22 ( talk) 19:57, 27 February 2010 (UTC) @radek Making an edit against misplaced child sacrifice in a religious ritual in an article about a CROSSFIRE-shooting incident IN A HOT BATTLEZONE, where no Arab has even accused Israelis or Jews of blood libel, is a very legit edit! So are the other two very minor edits of mine on this page, and all my other edits are legit as well. Your smear attempts are mendacious and it's meant to distract people from these 3 subject edits where there are others who agree with me. I've never had any problems with others on Wikipedia until this particular article, so this is more "telling" about you, SlimVirgin and some of the other very peculiar editors here than me. I've been researching your edit history, and SlimVirgin's too, and it seems that plenty and plenty of controversy follows. That is very "telling" to me. Soledad22 ( talk) 04:38, 28 February 2010 (UTC)
While most of us agree that all editors should edit aggressively, Featured Articles are generally expected to be stable. Editors should be encouraged to discuss major changes, discuss especially alterations to sensitive material and respect the hard work the FA contributors have done in bringing an article to featured level. Whenever someone protects (or unprotects) a page and they have even the slightest history of contributions to said page, they may risk the chance of losing their bit.-- MONGO 02:43, 28 February 2010 (UTC)
Looking at the evidence as presented, an early block or edit restriction on Soledad22 would seem to me to be a pretty urgent requirement here. That user is undoubtedly shedding more heat than light on an area which I think we all agree really does not need that. Guy ( Help!) 12:56, 28 February 2010 (UTC) Result
Continuing problemsHi Phil, just letting you know that the problems with NickCT's reverting continue, though on the talk page, not the article itself. I struck through Soledad's comment on the al-Durrah RfC after he was blocked: just the one RfC comment, not any of his others. Nick has reverted Also noting here that two more Soledad socks have been blocked. RHusaini ( talk · contribs) turned up at Muhammad al-Durrah incident, and User:DraftCB ( talk · contribs) at Death of Jeremiah Duggan, another article I've edited a lot. SlimVirgin TALK contribs 22:13, 3 March 2010 (UTC) Discussion
SV, I dont think the original strike outs are justified. WP:BAN calls for removing comments made in defiance of a ban, not all edits made prior to a ban. nableezy - 19:13, 3 March 2010 (UTC)
Mbz - With respect, I think "stink with antisemitism, the Holocaust denial and vandalism" is slightly POV (note: we discussed some of Soledad's comments in this respect). As I'd mentioned to you, some of Sole's post certainly seemed a little dubious, but his banning was shinanigans and motivated by SlimV's desire to WP:OWN Al-Durrah. As to your "interested to see here" - Not sure what the point is here. If you're suggesting I'm doing something innappropriate, please state what it is, then point to policy. Anyway, I don't think this is an appropriate forum, for continued discussion. I invite you to follow up on my talk page. Best NickCT ( talk) 20:01, 3 March 2010 (UTC)
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Dear Wikipedia editors, This is a formal request to have my personal information removed from your website. The information posted by user 'Jtir', is an infringement of my privacy rights. The user who posted them did so without my authority. I have persistently asked him to remove this information without any success or comment from him/her. I am having problems relating to the posting of my private, personal information.
Please attend to this matter at your earliest possible convenience, so that I can refrain from taking further action. Regards, Gerry McLoughlin Naples Florida
P.S. My Naples based information and name are posted 3/4 of the way down the page link below. His Username: Jtir The page in question: http://www.globalwarmingart.com/wiki/Wikipedia:Talk:Cellulosic_ethanol\ —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.5.2.232 ( talk • contribs)
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Request concerning Abd
Discussion concerning AbdStatement by AbdIn lieu of presenting extensive evidence, I'll point to this statement by JzG, cited above by SamJohnston: It's not clear this even would be a dispute without Abd's involvement. We have one WP:SPA making blatantly promotional COI edits, and one user making comments about it. We have a way of handling that... This is an opinion supporting my position that I'm an "originating party" within the apparent intention of the sanction. I was an involved editor with TurnKey Linux and began simply by making a few edits that reverted apparent aggressive edits by User:SamJohnston, and I did this to encourage discussion instead of revert warring, which was SamJohnston's approach. I warned LirazSiri about his mistakes, and he seems to have stopped. If not, he can be and should be blocked. Warnings from sympathetic editors are much more effective than tirades and cries of "spam" and "vandalism" and threats to AfD an editor's favorite topic if the editor doesn't "chill" with regard to a different article. The whole TurnKey Linux affair was an example of successful intervention by me in a dispute, however, resulting in the cessation of disruption and eventually a return of a sufficiently notable article to mainspace, confirmed unanimously at DRV (and, what is possibly relevant, undoing what JzG had done, though certainly the approved article was better than what JzG deleted). As to the second part of the JzG statement, the "one user" did not merely make "comments about it." That user threatened the COI/SPA off-wiki with retaliatory AfD on a different article, then, when asked to chill, himself, proceeded to retaliate on-wiki, with massive disruption, seeking every possible issue to raise, all at once. Some of the issue have a legitimate basis, others don't. But the intention has become clear: "Don't mess with me!" I will be requesting clarification from ArbComm over the application of my sanction to this. However, had I waited for approval from ArbComm (I considered requesting it -- ArbComm removed the mentorship provision, which would have allowed much more rapid approval), my expectation was that serious damage would be done, difficult to remediate. This is not a content issue, it is a behavioral issue. The content issues can be and will be resolved normally, if the behavioral issues are addressed. -- Abd ( talk) 18:13, 27 February 2010 (UTC)
@JzG: how about a 'back off" to Abd? As invited, Sandstein enjoined me from further comment on this case, and I acknowledged and accepted that. Now, how about a 'back off' to JzG, who is not exactly disinterested here? While Sandstein remains free to act further as chosen, the injunction should satisfy any concern about further possible disruption from me on this, and I've requested clarification on the sanction, supported by Sandstein, so that this won't happen again. Let's get back to the project here. That was my point in the first place. @Sandstein: As stated, I don't agree with your interpretation, which is why I filed an RfAr/Clarification, to encourage ArbComm to make it very clear. I will say that if the sanction is interpreted by ArbComm as it is being claimed it should be, I expect to respect it, as I attempted to respect the sanction already, but also to retire as an editor, and move all of my work off-wiki, where I cannot be interdicted, and where I will not be tempted to intervene if I see someone kicking someone who is down, which is not a "dispute," it's abuse, and abuse harms the project, and I'd stop the kicking, which has very little to do with the dispute behind it. The only loss for me will be some wikignoming, article work. The process work will not only not suffer, it will probably become more effective. However, my understanding of process is such that I'm obligated to accept your interpretation, and, as promised, I will respect it pending clarification by ArbComm. -- Abd ( talk) 06:05, 1 March 2010 (UTC) @EdJohnston: Thanks. Unfortunately, I don't "accept the verdict here," this isn't a court and it only decides ad-hoc implementation, subject to review by ArbComm if needed, and I don't see sufficient comment (showing understanding of the issues or even otherwise) for me to consider the interpretation permanently authoritative. What I've done is to agree to respect the ban interpretation as proposed (and then enforced) by Sandstein, even though this creates certain problems, pending clarification by ArbComm. I will interpret the ban quite strictly, unless permitted otherwise by Sandstein. Note, however, what it seems that this interpretation would allow me to do: If I have a problem with the behavior of an editor, and I warn that editor, and the editor blows it off, and I believe that the editor's actions are damaging the project, this is a dispute between me and that editor, and I'd be allowed to take that through DR or a noticeboard. I'd be an "originating party." Correct? I do not suggest debating this here, it should be moot for enforcement because of my agreement, and because this is the question that I hope ArbComm will be resolving. -- Abd ( talk) 06:44, 1 March 2010 (UTC)
Request close of this enforcement request. While it's open, it will continue to collect coats. The underlying issue is the topic of an RfAr/Clarification, the alleged violation here has been addressed and cannot recur (without me being immediately blocked, I can't exactly fly under the radar), I'm under a voluntarily accepted restriction that exceeds the ArbComm restriction, pending, there is an immediate means of further clarification if necessary (consulting with Sandstein), Sandstein has determined no (further) action at this time, and [81] is irrelevant to this request. -- Abd ( talk) 20:06, 1 March 2010 (UTC) Comments by others about the request concerning Abd
My heart sinks when I see Abd weighing in to a dispute on behalf of someone who is being "oppressed" for abusing Wikipedia for their own ends (as with Pcarbonn, Jed Rothwell of LENR-CANR.org and so on). I have a nasty suspicion that Abd is mainly interested in this because I was involved in the original deletion and/or deletion review of LirazSiri's article at TurnKey Linux ( | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views). It is unambiguously the case that LirazSiri ( talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log) is a single-purpose account whose purpose is, and always has been, the promotion of TurnKey Linux, a minor Linux project of which he is co-founder. The most recent set of abuses includes adding TurnKey into the high level {{ Cloud computing}} template: [82]. I noted in a comment that I am professionally involved in cloud computing, and Abd turned this round to assert that I have a potential COI. WTF? That is so wide of the mark it would be funny if it weren't for the fact that past experience indicates it will be tenaciously asserted until Abd is forcibly removed from this dispute. He asserts that he did not seek permission to violate his probation by becoming involved in the dispute because "the welfare of the project required immediate action" - to stop someone pushing back against a spammer promoting his own commercial interests. Riiiiight. He also describes another editor's actions as extortion. This is a criminal offence. Abd also uses misdirection, for example noting that I was admonished in a case not to use my administrative tools in a dispute where I am involved - I'd be really interested to see diffs showing abuse of tools here, that would be fascinating - while simultaneously, and as noted at the later Abd/WMC case, ignoring the instructions he was given in the same case. Abd is, to put it bluntly, a monumental time sink in every single dispute in which he's involved, as originator or not. Guy ( Help!) 18:02, 27 February 2010 (UTC)
This does indeed go back a way, as I thought it did. [83]; [84] Abd sets the scene for an exposition of "what Wikipedia did to you that was wrong" (which was: deleting an article on his company that he created and then immediately moved back to mainspace when it was userfied). [85] Abd recruits LirazSiri as a partisan to his dispute with me. You can see most of this from the history of user talk:LirazSiri and Special:Whatlinkshere/TurnKey Linux. This is not a new example of Abd escalating a dispute, it's an old example of Abd pursuing a crusade based on an action by someone he doesn't like. Whether that makes it more or less actionable is hard to say, really. Separately, I have requested a topic ban for LirazSiri - after an explicit warning nearly a year ago he is still making promotional edits and feigning innocent surprise when told that this is a problem. I think the community can probably handle that. Guy ( Help!) 09:37, 28 February 2010 (UTC) Re the comment that a request to Abd to back off won't do any good: yes, it will, if it's decided it's appropriate: see here [86] (involved) ☺ Coppertwig ( talk) 15:14, 28 February 2010 (UTC)
Result concerning Abd
After an initial review, the case appears to have merit. Unfortunately, the submitter has presented too many diffs as evidence, most of which do not appear to be violations of the cited remedy. (It is only these that are of interest here.) But at least this and subsequent edits to WP:ANI by Abd seem to violate his restriction from "discussing any dispute in which he is not an originating party." This is because the ANI request was framed by SamJohnston as a dispute between him and LirazSiri, and did not mention Abd. Although Abd appears to have been involved in the dispute, he was therefore not an originating party in the sense of the remedy, and, not being named in the ANI request against LirazSiri, had no legitimate need to reply to it. In view of this, I am of a mind to block Abd in enforcement of the remedy, but before doing so invite the comment of fellow admins as to whether or not they agree with this assessment. Sandstein 18:13, 27 February 2010 (UTC)
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Interfase ( talk · contribs) placed under supervision for 3 months. |
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Request concerning Interfase
Discussion concerning InterfaseStatement by InterfaseOn Kochari I reverted edits which I identifited as a vandalism. They removed interwikis to azwiki's article which also talks about Kochari dance. I returned them. -- Interfase ( talk) 11:00, 28 February 2010 (UTC)
Comments by others about the request concerning InterfaseLooking at the history of the article, I see that it is just about the removal of interwikis. Interfase adds Azeri and other interwikis to the article, which is quite in line with the rules, and other users keep on removing it. In particular, Hayk ( talk · contribs) made as many rvs as Interfase, but he is not mentioned in this report. I don't really understand why those interwikis should be removed, and why the person who inserts them is being reported, even if he does nothing wrong by adding them, while those who remove it are clearly wrong, and they are the ones who should be reported. Grand master 06:31, 1 March 2010 (UTC) I am wondering why is it that any new account which is suspicious from one side is directly blocked while nothing is done when the exact same thing is done from the other side? Also, Grandmaster has some explaining to do because some of the reports he files are reverts back to content that was reached by a consensus; basically the consensus version that he himself also supported. Here for instance. Reverting under the cover of reverting sockpuppetry is not a valid justification for reverting a wording agreed by all sides. - Fedayee ( talk) 04:09, 2 March 2010 (UTC)
Result concerning Interfase
I've placed Interfase under supervision for 3 months, which restricts him to 1RR/week. PhilKnight ( talk) 10:21, 1 March 2010 (UTC) |
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Request concerning Tothwolf
Explanation: In Tothwolf's arbcom case, 3 main editors (JBsupreme, Miami33139, Theserialcomma) filed evidence of tothwolf's long term uncivil behavior and paranoid/unsubstantiated allegations. as a result, the arbcom case closed with the result of tothwolf being admonished and restricted from making any future uncivil comments against us or any other editors - or he shall be blocked. tothwolf's behavior has remained unchanged. the diff posted shows he is still engaging in uncivil accusations against the same users from whom he's restricted. diff 2: [ [102]] Don't email me, don't contact me, don't bloody show up in IRC channels where you know I visit and brag "I'm gonna get Tothwolf banned!" Explanation: i've never contacted him off-wiki (and he's contacted me twice - i forwarded each to Arbcom's mailing list), nor have i been on irc with him (ridiculous). per tothwolf's restrictions, he is not to make unsubstantiated allegations without evidence. he just left a message on my talk page - against my requests for him to stay away - claiming i've 'emailed, contacted' and 'showed up on IRC' channels. he's paranoid, delusional, and arbcom has restricted him from making these uncivil allegations. he needs to be stopped.
Tothwolf has been gaming the system since his arbcom restrictions, testing the waters to see how uncivil he can be without repercussions. i hope that an uninvolved admin will scrutinize his restrictions and his behavior and come to the conclusion that the sanctions that resulted from this 2 month arbcom case are worth enforcing.
Discussion concerning TothwolfStatement by TothwolfSigh. Why am I not surprised Theserialcomma? How many times do you have to be told by myself and others (including multiple administrators) to leave me alone? I'm quite tired of you misquoting me and editing my words to suit your personal "desires" as you did above, and as you did repeatedly during the ArbCom case [103] (my responses to which were unfortunately moved to the talk page [104] by MBisanz [105] which appears to have led to those misquotes/false statements flying under the radar during the ArbCom case). While I did not mention you by name in my comments, Theserialcomma, I certainly did link to diffs to back up what I said (otherwise you would simply run to an admin, AN/I, or AE here and link to [106] as you've done before). Theserialcomma, you also made some very misleading statements above... JBsupreme presented no evidence in the ArbCom case [107] and both you and Miami33139 didn't want any part of the ArbCom case when it was still in the RFAR stage as "Hounding of Tothwolf". [108] [109] To summarise part of this [110] AN/I discussion: "Unfortunately, due to the case name, the material I presented was apparently thrown out and ignored by the person who wrote the draft decision. The original RFAR working name was "Hounding of Tothwolf" [111] but Manning Bartlett attempted to go with a more neutral name of "Tothwolf" [112] when he moved it from the RFAR stage to an open case. The case name discussion from Manning Bartlett's talk page can be found here." Theserialcomma, the personal attacks you continue to throw around while continuing to make statements such as "he's paranoid, delusional", etc. need to stop right now. This already came up in the last AN/I discussion here where I replied [113] to your last attacks: "You also need to stop referring to me as "paranoid", "delusional", "deviant", etc. That is a personal attack. You began attacking me with such statements after Miami33139 began making them. It's also quite obvious that you are not even medically qualified to make such claims; one of the very first things you are taught is: Don't diagnose unless you have a treatment plan." Theserialcomma: I'm tired of your on-wiki and off-wiki attacks. This has been going on for nearly a year [114] [115] ( full discussion) [116] ( full report) ( contribs) and clearly you simply being told to leave me alone (repeatedly, by multiple administrators and other editors, no less) isn't going to be effective. I've now emailed ArbCom, and while they obviously can't really stop your off-wiki actions, perhaps this time your on-wiki behaviours will finally be addressed. You've done this sort of thing to many other editors in the past, eventually leading to some of them finally blowing up at your harassment or baiting and getting blocked, or in the case of most, simply leaving Wikipedia. You apparently seem to enjoy being disruptive and causing strife for others and to be quite honest I'm not sure why someone didn't catch on to you much, much earlier. Wikipedia is not a game where you "win!" when you attempt to get someone "indef'd". [117] Theserialcomma: Let me be quite blunt with you, continuing to try to get me "banned from Wikipedia" isn't going to stop me from calling you out on your disruptive behaviours and harassment of other editors. -- Tothwolf ( talk) 21:40, 1 March 2010 (UTC) Comments by others about the request concerning TothwolfResult concerning Tothwolf
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Request concerning Gilabrand
She was topic banned from "Israeli-Palestinian conflict for the duration of three months. (For the avoidance of doubts, this includes all pages or discussions related to the topic, broadly construed." The comment she made here is clearly a discussion comment related to the Israeli-Palestinian conflict, broadly construed. In the article she had also added stuff related to the Palestinian-Israel conflict so its a part of it: [122]
It can also be argued that her edits to the Israeli art student scam AFD contravene the topic ban. Particularly considering that the reason Gilabrand got topic banned in the first place was spamming I-P related hate material into that very article.
Block or ban.
Discussion concerning GilabrandStatement by GilabrandComments by others about the request concerning GilabrandPalestine is not mentioned once on the article in question. The only argument that could be made is that similar editors are involved. The only thing left to say is: BOOOOOOO Cptnono ( talk) 10:45, 7 March 2010 (UTC)
(outdent) Gilabrand was topic-banned from I-P articles for the edits she made to Israeli art student scam. Participating in the AfD discussion for that article is clearly a violation of her topic ban. Insisting, as she did, that this article has nothing to do with the Israeli-Palestinian conflict (except in the mind of the person who created it), when she has made edits like this to the article, is not only an assumption of bad faith, but is richly ironic. How she or anyone can argue that her edits to the AfD fall outside the scope of her topic ban is bewildering, to say the least. Tiamut talk 12:45, 7 March 2010 (UTC)
Off-shoot possible breach?
Statement by Mbz1
I suggest:
Statement by FactsonthegroundAside from the link Supremedelicious provided, Gilabrand also discussed a controversial I-P article ( Sheikh Jarrah) on Nsaum's talk page: [127]. She also never responded to the original ANI about posting hate material into Israeli art student scam, which suggests she doesn't accept that she did anything wrong. Factsontheground ( talk) 12:59, 7 March 2010 (UTC)
Statement by Nsaum75Since an "incident" on my talk page is mentioned above, I feel the need to comment: This whole situation appears to be turning into some sort of witch hunt, with several users trying to find an angle that will "stick" in order to "punish" an editor they may have an issue with. Remember: "anything can be 'revealed' if you go over it enough with a fine-tooth-comb." -- nsaum75 ¡שיחת! 15:51, 8 March 2010 (UTC) Result concerning Gilabrand
In the cited edit ( [128]), Gilabrand stated in the edit summary "this article has nothing to do with the Israeli-Palestinian conflict (except in the mind of the person who created it)". For the sake of argument I am ignoring the inappropriate deletion of Factsontheground's comment and taking this as if she had replied to his comment with what she said in the edit summary. With that we have this exchange:
Gilabrand here clearly mentioned the Israeli-Palestinian conflict solely for the purpose of defending herself against Factsontheground's implied allegation that she violated the topic ban. If Factsontheground had not accused her of a violation, she would likely not have mentioned the conflict. This is not meant to say that Factsontheground did anything wrong. I think it is not in the best interest of Wikipedia to say that this violates the topic ban. It is clearly necessary for the accused to mention the topic in order to mount a defense against an alleged topic ban violation. The argument presented by Supreme Deliciousness appears to be that that necessary mention in itself constitutes discussion of the topic, which itself is a violation of the topic ban. Enforcement in this case would effectively deny an editor accused of violating a topic ban the ability to defend themselves against the accusation. I do not believe that is the intention of the discretionary sanction as specified by Arbcom. Making a reasonable statement rebutting an accusation does not fall under "repeatedly or seriously fails to adhere to the purpose of Wikipedia, any expected standards of behavior, or any normal editorial process." Also, Gilabrand would have to mention the topic on this page in order to make a statement, thus violating the topic ban. Therefore, I recommend against a block/ban. Evil saltine ( talk) 12:39, 7 March 2010 (UTC)
Without commenting on the merits of the original complaint, I have now blocked Gilabrand for this edit, which was brought up today in an ANI thread and clearly constitutes a breach of the ban. Fut.Perf. ☼ 16:19, 8 March 2010 (UTC)
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Please note that Scientology in Germany ( | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views), an article for which I have been the main contributor, is currently classified as a Good Article.
For reference, Wispanow has made similar and equally far-fetched accusations of anti-German racism in other contexts:
Note: This thread has been moved here from ANI. -- JN 466 19:21, 8 March 2010 (UTC)
Read the accusations and preparing an answer. Wispanow ( talk) 00:16, 10 March 2010 (UTC)
I am sorry but i have a lot of work to do this week. Any detailed answer takes probably until sunday.
In the meantime these statements:
1. Stating reality in an appropriate manner is the main thing ANY encyclopedia and the discussion about it is for. Leaves to prove what is reality and appropriate.
2. I propose to close this case, because this is not the optimum place to discuss if the article represents reality or a wrong or even racist viewpoint. And the adequacy depends on that, probably insulting a whole nation with over 80 million people.
3. Although it is clear that it offends especially Jayen466, it is not my intention and i have not done it, excluding my call to topic ban Jayen466 and stating reasons. Although this may be unpleasant to discuss for Jayen466, please recognize that it is even more unpleasant and insulting for me being wrongly accused. But it is necessary in such a procedure, as it was before for Jayen466 of being accused for providing a biased viewpoint of Scientology.
4. I am quite sure that the discussion will soon come to results and to my attempt to ban Jayen466 from Scientology topics (probably only with relation to Germany) as it was done before.
5. If i am wrong in main parts, i promise to leave any Scientology related topic. And apologize, begging for forgiveness.
In the meantime i am sorry for any use of upsetting but appropriate words.
Until now i haven't time to write a detailed answer, but can quickly state some facts.
I accuse mainly time.com and partly bbc.co.uk (and others) for stating an unbalanced, wrong and/or even racist viewpoint of Germany and german people. Therefore it will not help adding additional sources just mentioning the same viewpoint, but check if its real or wrong or racist.
In case of human rights, this means mainly court judgments or VERY difficult to achieve balanced view of actions happened.
Listed sources are insufficient; search for more.
the term "racial discrimination" shall mean any distinction, exclusion, restriction or preference based on race, colour, descent, or national or ethnic origin which has the purpose or effect of nullifying or impairing the recognition, enjoyment or exercise, on an equal footing, of human rights and fundamental freedoms in the political, economic, social, cultural or any other field of public life. [1]
Leaves to define discrimination:
...any distinction, exclusion, restriction or preference based on race, color, descent, or national or ethnic origin which has the purpose or effect of nullifying or impairing the recognition, enjoyment or exercise, on an equal footing, of human rights and fundamental freedoms in the political, economic, social, cultural or any other field of public life.(Part 1 of Article 1 of the U.N. International Convention on the Elimination of All Forms of Racial Discrimination) [4]
I prefer to add two more points:
To be proven.
If you need more to close this case without punishment or topic ban, i hope i can deliver sunday. Wispanow ( talk) 14:56, 11 March 2010 (UTC)
Thank you very much for your comments. Due to lack of time today i prepare an quick answer tomorrow. More details Sunday. Please notice that it takes a lot of effort and time because i clearly stated that MAIN PARTS of the article are inappropriate, unbalanced, biased or wrong. It is time enough to discuss, if you want to make it here, and the article is editprotected.
Wispanow (
talk) 15:47, 12 March 2010 (UTC)
Strong and unbalanced accusations of Jayen466: Please wait for a detailed answer until sunday. In the meantime:
I accused Jayen466 first writing a biased, unbalanced viewpoint which can be seen as containing a racist view. Thats what i am accused here. And i claimed a topic-ban for Jayen466 first. If i am topic-banned, he increases his chances not to be topic-banned. Please consider therefore that Jayen466 may be biased in this case!
Details, more facts and why it is appropriate sunday. In the meantime consider his accusations as unbalanced. Wispanow ( talk) 17:21, 12 March 2010 (UTC)
This is hard to measure. Hot button words such as "racist" and "cult" are seldom appropriate and require careful contextualization in the few instances where no calmer substitute is available. Winspanow needs a caution in that regard. Regarding the rest, it would be useful if someone with good familiarity in the subject weighed in because what Winspanow appears to be asserting is that the article violates WP:UNDUE. In the context of WP:UNDUE it can be appropriate to remove reliably sourced information so that one section or topic or POV does not unduly dominate an article. I don't know this subject well enough to determine whether the undue weight clause properly applies. Would be more inclined to read Jayen466's report at face value if it had also disclosed that the Scientology decision passed a finding of fact that he had been "edit-warring apparently to advance an agenda", and had page banned Jayen466 from the biography of a prominent critic of new religious movements: see Wikipedia:ARBSCI#Jayen466, Wikipedia:ARBSCI#Jayen466_topic-banned_from_Rick_Ross_articles. Subsequently Jayen466 has contributed quality content on related material, so possibly his response is a fair one. Yet Wispanow has edited Wikipedia since 2007 without any blocks at all except for the brief recent one which was overturned procedurally. Is this primarily a content dispute? Could a content RfC or mediation be tried before invoking discretionary sanctions? Durova 412 22:37, 8 March 2010 (UTC)
Could you please format this request in the standard format ({{ Sanction enforcement request}})? Sandstein 19:38, 8 March 2010 (UTC)
I'll know where to go next time. ;) Here is another Wispanow edit from earlier on.