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Jjlayton (
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22:33, 22 February 2016 (UTC)
As previous editors have noted, given their requests for deletion, this poet seems patently non-notable, and being Dundee's 'Makar' (a role which demands the title-holder send tweets) does not help signify anything on this already slender page. I have searched extensively online and there are very few articles out there to warrant inclusion on Wikipedia.reply
Keep The article needs some work but
WP:BEFORE does not appear to have been followed here. I'm surprised at the suggestion by the nominator that not much shows up on a search. Even a basic search shows a rich spread of coverage in reliable sources.
Drchriswilliams (
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22:54, 22 February 2016 (UTC)reply
Keep, per Drchriswilliams and E.M.Gregory. Article gives plenty of indications of notability. (Aside: I'm curious that a new user appears on Wikipedia and the very first thing they do is to nominate this article for deletion....) --
Deskford (
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01:14, 23 February 2016 (UTC)reply
Delete I can see from the last AfD that significant searches were made to prove notability, but as far as I see there still isn't an article / more than one article that asserts significant proof in a reliable secondary source. Fails WP:N and WP:V. Insufficient references based on reliable, third-party published sources.— Preceding
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217.34.35.146 (
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13:40, 23 February 2016 (UTC)reply
Strong Delete Given that previous edits show a variety of people raising this issue in the past and that it fails WP:N and WP:V, strong delete, let's not be hassled by the issue further as it'll clearly only be raised by other users in future.
ClaireJones19883 —Preceding
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17:59, 23 February 2016 (UTC)reply
Where is the "last AFD"? I see none on the talk page, none linked here. Who are the editors demanding deletion and where does Nom see their demands? I am completely puzzled. He is a Fellow of the Royal Society, a well-known poet,, and even a very simple news google on his name in produces prima facie support for notability, here:
[1], that same google search also showed that he has gotten a lot of attention for his storng, public support for the highly controversial politician
Jeremy Corbyn. Can it be that this AFD is a political battle
[2] being waged at AFD?
E.M.Gregory (
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20:19, 23 February 2016 (UTC)reply
Strong Keep As this is a notable poet, per the multiple mentions by E.M. Gregory and Drchriswilliams. I'm not one to throw around the idea of bad faith, however I find it interesting that a new user's first edit was to create an AfD on this article, especially given the news article listed above.
RickinBaltimore (
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20:23, 23 February 2016 (UTC)reply
Delete I’m just intrigued that Fellowship status is being used to support this entry. Many types of fellowship exist, and as such they don’t signify notability, otherwise many academics would require Wikipedia pages and this would be a cluttered place indeed. The existing stub is evidently weak and do the mentions kindly posted by the E.M.Gregory prove significant coverage, rather than mere mentions? I will investigate, but journalism supporting Jeremy Corbyn is not evidence for notability either, or every Guardian reporter would warrant a page. As the revision by ‘Randykitty’ on 2nd January proves, this article has been PRODded before, and the editor was advised to ‘take to AfD is necessary’. I think new arrivals on Wiki are encouraged to edit, so Jlayton’s nomination for deletion is only carrying on previous concerns by other users, so I wouldn’t presume bad faith. Saying someone is a ‘well known’ poet when evidence of this is up for dispute could smack of nepotism but I too want to preserve good faith as long as possible.
81.149.126.164 (
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14:54, 25 February 2016 (UTC) AdamKlayreply
Comment, editors talking about "previous afd" may be meaning
this prod, anyway Keep, subject meets
WP:ANYBIO and
WP:CREATIVE, which is now reflected in the article, thanks to
Drchriswilliams. A Gsearch brings up lots of useable references ie. he judges notable poetry prizes - "The UK's most valuable annual poetry prizes are in their 13th year and going strong." -
[3], his books appear as recommended reading for university studies, here is a gsearch page that show a number of study programs -
[4], here is another book review - "WN Herbert's informative and witty preface rightly urges readers simply to hurl themselves into the poems,.."
[5]. Could a helpful Admin please "snowy keep" this one, as this appears to be another waste of time, although article has been improved
Coolabahapple (
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15:32, 25 February 2016 (UTC)reply
Further comment (based on recent delete comments), no, the previous proder and this nom did not edit the article or discuss notability concerns on the talkpage, nor have they appeared to carry out checks according to "2.If there are verifiability, notability or other sourcing concerns, take reasonable steps to search for reliable sources. (See step D.)" - from B. Carry out these checks of
WP:BEFORE.
Coolabahapple (
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15:48, 25 February 2016 (UTC)reply
Still advising keep as above, but I have just revited this and it is worse than I had assumed. Every delete ivote is by a new, or close-to new editor, with the possible exception of
User:ClaireJones19883, who has made a small number of edits (I did not look at the edits, but her
User talk:Clairejones19883 and the article Claire Jones was trying to have accepted,
Ruth Dugdall, was in fact added to Wikipedia by a different very low-volume editor, then edited by ClaireJones.) Back to this page, it is clear that either someone is using many accounts in an attempt to delete this page, or that this poet has enemies 4 or 5 of whom have come to Wikipedia for the purpose of voting delete on this page. It is also clear that every experienced editor who has offered an opinion has opined keep this
WP:SNOWBALL.
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01:19, 29 February 2016 (UTC)reply
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delete as local politician with no notability at this point, although she is standing for a legislative seat. If she wins, article will have to be recreated.
E.M.Gregory (
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01:01, 24 February 2016 (UTC)reply
Non-winning candidates for office do not get Wikipedia articles just for being candidates — if you cannot make and
reliably source a credible claim that she was already notable enough for a Wikipedia article for something independent of her candidacy, then she does not become notable enough for a Wikipedia article until she wins the seat. But this claims nothing except candidate, and cites no sources — which means she does not get an inclusion freebie just because candidate. The article is actually missing the fact that in addition to having stood in last year's UK parliament election, she also seems to be a candidate in the forthcoming Welsh Assembly election — which means she still has a chance of getting into Wikipedia if she wins that seat, but still does not get an article just for being a candidate. Delete; no prejudice against recreation on or after May 5 if she wins.
Bearcat (
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19:04, 25 February 2016 (UTC)reply
A quick web search seems to indicate that she's not really notable, but Highbeam does have a fair few hits. I can't see much detail about her though.♦
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Hardly any presence on Oricon. Has she charted under any of her names. Otherwise she sings on a few anime songs. Not sure whether that is enough to keep her around.
AngusWOOF (
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21:53, 22 February 2016 (UTC)reply
Withdrawn by nominator She has a single solo hit that charted, but was also involved in a band/group Project R that has reached top ten. The Japanese wikipedia article for her is decently sourced, so will need someone to bring that content over.
AngusWOOF (
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15:14, 24 February 2016 (UTC)reply
"The Power of Love" (1997, among Cyber Nation Network) #94
"Love Tropicana Final" (2003, solo) #108
"Enjin First Lap" (double A-side with Engine Sentai Go-onger) (2008, Project.R(
Takayoshi Tanimoto, Sister Mayo, Kenichiro Oishi) wih Enjin Kids) #4
"Enjin Second Lap (Turbo Custom)" (2008, Project.R(Hideaki Takatori, Mayumi Gojo, Takayoshi Tanimoto, Sister Mayo, Kenichiro Oishi) with Enjin Kids) #39
"Jonetsu (We Are Bothers)" (2012, among Hero Music All Stars) #56
Between her Cyber Nation Network, solo and Project.R work there definitely seems to be an argument for notability (especially the "Enjin First Lap" single), but only really if the article has enough content to warrant it. --
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Delete Apparently it was originally listed for speedy deletion but the creator of the article asked for 30 days to make the article better. The last edit the creator made to the article was 4 days later and when the month's time was almost up he disappeared from Wikipedia completely. --
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Comment This seems to be a problem for production assistants and other crew members as well. There are plenty of shows where they have worked on but his role in particular isn't listed among the MADB. Also he is not listed in the Japanese Wikipedia anymore, unless someone got his kanji wrong.
AngusWOOF (
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20:25, 22 February 2016 (UTC)reply
Delete I had no better luck finding sources to back this up than I did when I proposed it for deletion in 2010, and no new sources have appeared here in the interim. --
joe deckertalk20:31, 22 February 2016 (UTC)reply
Delete Couldn't find anything but minor listings of these credits. I'm also curious: what has he produced to be a producer? I checked the entire list and it was mostly key animation and photography. The closest thing was the lone visual effects supervision. --
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Biased keep: I've been on Wikipedia a long time, but always steered clear of AfD. Today I decided to look into nominating
Indeterminacy in concurrent computation for deletion (the original contributor
Carl Hewitt was banned from Wikipedia for life around 2009; as a working computer scientist, I find this article too hairy to salvage, but I've decided I'm not going to pony up for the AfD process having looked at it).
When I came here I was more than mildly shocked to see Delta Waterfowl up for deletion. My wife once worked there (Manitoba) long ago (predator management phase). My impression is that within the wetland conservation community, Delta Waterfowl is far from non-notable. Think of it this way. A not-for-profit can spend its donations on self-promotion (many sources, few accomplishments) or it can go the other direction (fewer sources, more accomplishments). Are we here to punish them for spending less on their publicity engine than they otherwise might have? Disease, meet master.
Delta Waterfowl's research data, in many cases, has been the cornerstone of duck and geese understanding. Such research was the impetus for establishing a spring breeding survey. Most of the basic understanding about prairie breeding ecology and even winter ecology has been a result of Delta Waterfowl research.
...
"When you look at administrative and overhead, Delta Waterfowl is about as skinny as you'll find," says Devney.
Both of those statements accord with my personal perspective, one step removed, for what it's worth. On the flip side, the organization is extremely inbred, with membership consisting almost exclusively of duck hunters. —
MaxEnt20:54, 22 February 2016 (UTC)reply
Footnote: just for the record, the fabulous little
marbled polecat article (obscure species, referenced to the hilt) came out of my wife's relationship with a scientist who once worked there, from long ago when I encouraged her to take a stab at this new thing. He was typical of many interns who once went through that program. —
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Subject is not genuinely notable, and original page was created as a vanity page by a close colleague of the subject,
User:Aero777. The page was trimmed back to only contain information with some support in relaible sources, but this has not establisehd notability. The subject has now requested deletion through his close colleague: see the discussion at
User talk:Jonathan A Jones#G. Kogelen Govindasamy.
Jonathan A Jones (
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18:41, 22 February 2016 (UTC)reply
Just to re-affirm, Dr. Kogelen hopes that the page
G. Kogelen Govindasamy could be deleted as soon as possible, as it is causing significant misunderstanding among his colleagues. I don't believe it is necessary to discuss or contest this deletion over the course of 1 week as per the usual policy, as both main editors involved have agreed to nominate it for deletion.
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Delete When the page was first created I had tagged it for a CSD under the guises of a non-notable webpage. The claim of a high Alexa rating is dubious (see here:
[15]) as in Bangladesh alone it's not even in the top 200.
RickinBaltimore (
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21:11, 22 February 2016 (UTC)reply
Delete as advertising without any encyclopedic value, based on the website's registrant email of record and the fact that the article's patently false claims are disproven simply by clicking on the sole cited source.
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Please check the citation number 18. It is a clear proof of his critical acclaim. Don't delete this article by being paranoid. — Preceding
unsigned comment added by
Aks23121990 (
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And please check any of the many other citations than being so paranoid or judgemental. — Preceding
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Delete. I am not seeing any
significant coverage in reliable independent sources. None at all, actually, which is surprising considering the weak assertions of notability made in the lead section, barely enough to escape speedy deletion
WP:CSD#A7. ~
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I am sorry you're feeling discriminated against. I have no intention of doing so. Those other articles have significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subject (see
WP:GNG). I could not find that for Kanoah Tests. Those other products are stand-alone, not plug-ins, which may explain why they have significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent.
Walter Görlitz (
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16:57, 22 February 2016 (UTC)reply
Delete unless better sources are found and included or presented here to establish
notability clearly. At presnet the StilSoft source is the only one that looks both reliable and in-depth. The Favio Genovese source is a blog. The QuaTest. source includes the phrase "As beta testers, we are working very closely the Kanoah team." It is not independent. The G2Crowd source looks to be user-generated content and hence not reliable for Wikipedia. The QA Testing Tools source is rather brief, and seems to be based on a press release. The Advandus source includes the text "Advandus is available in an advisory capacity as an official partner of Kanoah for the success of your projects." and so is also not independent. We need
independent published
reliable sources to establish notability, with some depth of coverage.
DES(talk)02:29, 28 February 2016 (UTC)reply
Delete as per the above.
WP:USUAL applies, of course - if the system gets more notice in independent, reliable sources (as defined by our policies), then perhaps an article might work. Unfortunately, we're not there yet.
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The result was Snow keep. The topic unto itself is notable; to the extent that sources may differ on what counts as whitewashing, our article should outline the disagreement, per the
WP:BALANCE section of the NPOV policy.
Father Goose (
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21:43, 27 February 2016 (UTC)reply
What is considered whitewashing often varies by source, and therefore this article is not from a NPOV. For example, Argo is listed here, and while it is true that there was controversy over the casting, Mendez, the person Affleck portrayed, has said that he does not identify as Hispanic.
JDDJS (
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14:03, 22 February 2016 (UTC)reply
Keep since the notability of the topic is demonstrated by multiple reliable sources shown in the article. In fact, Gods of Egypt opening this weekend has been written about because of its whitewashing. In addition to the sources seen in the "References" section, there are even more listed at
Talk:List of films featuring whitewashed roles#References to use. Editor is being highly abrasive in wanting to delete any mention of this topic on Wikipedia because they have a concern about one film being listed. AfD is not cleanup. If the topic is clearly notable, and the actual content can be improved, then deletion is absolutely not warranted.
Erik (
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ping me)14:21, 22 February 2016 (UTC)reply
As TriiipleThreat articulated below, films that have been debated about back and forth have the different perspectives represented in the article. For example, Ridley Scott justifies the whitewashing of Exodus: Gods and Kings, and his statement is included with the film's entry. The same applies for various other films where such commentary exists (e.g., Hud).
Erik (
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I apologize, I thought that the Argo entry mentioned Tony Mendez's statement. I've expanded the entry to include his statement, like other entries have involved parties' statements when they are responses to the criticisms.
Erik (
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ping me)14:35, 22 February 2016 (UTC)reply
Keep: The list is well referenced and exceeds our
general notability guidelines. Our only responsibility is that the list is free of
original research and written from a
neutral point of view, which it appears to be. The example the nominator mentions is
verified by multiple citations. Although the subject in this particular example may not consider himself Hispanic, the sources clearly state that the role has been whitewashed. It might be worth noting the subject's opinion but this is an issue that can be resolved by normal editing.--
TriiipleThreat (
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14:23, 22 February 2016 (UTC)reply
Speedy Keep well referenced, clearly passes the GNG, nominator's only argument is that sources don't always agree about the definition of the term which is a terrible argument since sources disagree all the time.
Wugapodes (
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17:44, 22 February 2016 (UTC)reply
Speedy keep if reliable sources mention a role as whitewashed, we can include it, regardless of if other sources disagree (we could always mention that they disagree, if relevant.)
SatansFeminist (
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19:15, 22 February 2016 (UTC)reply
This was discussed
here, and the consensus was that
WP:BEFORE is not mandatory. It was also widely felt that
WP:BEFORE was, and is, too often used as a club to attack nominators. There were also concerns about it being filled with unhelpful and unproductive hurdles.
ReykYO!14:36, 23 February 2016 (UTC)reply
Thanks for the link! I'm fine with that consensus. I usually bring up WP:BEFORE to ask the nominator to do some brief research before nominating (for their future edits). While it may be too late at a given AfD, hopefully it has meant that the editor will review future discoveries more closely and nominate only the articles that really warrant it. Agree that it should not be a mandatory practice but rather just a best practice for long-term editors.
Erik (
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ping me)14:45, 23 February 2016 (UTC)reply
Keep per all the above. If you have an issue with one entry on the list, it's best to raise your concerns on the article's talkpage, instead of nominating the whole thing for deletion. LugnutsDick Laurent is dead07:48, 23 February 2016 (UTC)reply
I am troubled as I am at other articles I see at AFD by the lack of definition. The first sentence of the lede makes a sweeping statement. The second sentence mentions African-Americans. So is the topic American films or films? Does it include the Bollywood films that prefer Kashmiri and Indian Jewish actors because their skin is whiter than the nation as a whole? Chinese, Japanese, Turkish, Spanish, Italian and Latin American film industry preferences for whiter complexioned actors and, more dramatically, whiter complexioned actresses in countries with large ranges of skin-tone?
E.M.Gregory (
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16:43, 23 February 2016 (UTC)reply
E.M.Gregory, there used to be a sentence stating that this was common as part of the film industry in the United States. I've recalled it to life. I have not seen any coverage about Bollywood films in searching for coverage about whitewashing. That might need to be a distinct topic regarding skin tone in film, maybe the same umbrella as for advertising in general.
Erik (
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ping me)16:50, 23 February 2016 (UTC)reply
To follow up, I found
this, "In India's movie industry, the world's largest, scripts often follow a strict skin-to-character correlation, with light-skinned actresses in the major roles and dark-skinned actresses relegated to supporting characters." So there is definitely opportunity to write about this topic. However, I don't think it falls under the same umbrella as this whitewashing, which is Western-focused. It could be linked as a tangential topic in the "See also" section.
Erik (
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ping me)16:57, 23 February 2016 (UTC)reply
@
Erik: They use a different term, which I cannot recall; life would be easier if Brits Aussies, and English-speaking Indians spoke American. It is discussed, there and in several other countries. In some, including India, it also discussed in the context of those horrible, and dangerous, skin treatments young actresses put on their faces to "whiten" the skin. shudder. I do think a definition in the lede specifying that this article describes a practice in the American film industry is necessary.
E.M.Gregory (
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17:07, 23 February 2016 (UTC)reply
Comment: It seems like one of the main issues with the article is really the title - that these are alleged cases of whitewashing. How about just retitling it to something like
List of films featuring roles described as whitewashing or something like that? The list itself starts with the claim "Films in the list below have been described as whitewashed" and retitling it would reflect on this rather than making it sound like an absolute.
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This is an article about a US middle school with no clear claim of notability. Historically, (see
WP:SCHOOLOUTCOMES) these are almost always redirected to the appropriate school district article, in this case
Wyckoff School District. This action was taken boldly, but has been opposed, so it is being brought here for consensus.
Jacona (
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13:13, 22 February 2016 (UTC)reply
Merge to
Wyckoff School District. The school did win a national award, however there are 7,000 other schools in the U.S. that have won the Blue Ribbon Award for Excellence, so I am not sure if this would satisfy
WP:GNG. The only other claim of notability might be the alumni, but again notability is not inherited.
RickinBaltimore (
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14:35, 22 February 2016 (UTC)reply
Merge to
Wyckoff School District as per above - I would be bold and close as Merge myself but I know all kinds of shit will happen so figured I'd !vote instead, As noted above non-notable middle schools are merged to the school district which in this case is [Wyckoff School District]]. –
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I don't think this person meets
WP:POLITICIAN. Simply standing as a Plaid candidate is not sufficient, unless she wins the seat and gets in. Being a councillor is not especially significant as there are so many of them, and the level of news coverage is sufficient for me to think we should
err on the side of caution with this one.
Ritchie333(talk)(cont)13:02, 22 February 2016 (UTC)reply
Delete for now. We'll probably have to recreate the article in a few weeks' time, but POLITICIAN is clear that candidacy and local government do not confer notability.
Frinton100 (
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21:11, 22 February 2016 (UTC)reply
Delete. Local government does not confer an automatic
WP:NPOL pass on every local councillor who exists, being an as yet unelected candidate for higher office doesn't boost her includability at all, and the only source here is a
primary source profile on her own political party's website — and even a politician who has a clean NPOL claim still doesn't get to keep that kind of article based on that kind of sourcing. No prejudice against recreation if she wins the seat in the upcoming election, but nothing here gets her an article today.
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21:37, 22 February 2016 (UTC)reply
Delete Ran a Proquest search just to check, a couple of hundred articles about her, sehe is clearly a very competent politician, stepped down from her cabinet her job running the schools, youth services in the 3-county region (pop. ~172,000) to run. As Finton100 says, the article will very likely have to be recreated after the polls close.
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00:58, 24 February 2016 (UTC)reply
Given she's contesting prime Plaid Cymru territory, perhaps it would make more sense to draft / userfy the article, until the election's over? I recall a similar thing happening to
Mhairi Black; you could almost pinpoint the precise moment at the 2015 General Election where she went from borderline speedy to obvious
WP:POLITICIAN.
Ritchie333(talk)(cont)14:03, 24 February 2016 (UTC)reply
Yes, that's absolutely an option as well. However, I foresee the definite danger that if we do that, it will be deemed as establishing a precedent that any premature article about an as-yet-unelected candidate for office can always be kept in draftspace pending the results of the election — so then draftspace would turn into exactly the repository of campaign brochures for political candidates that we're trying to prevent mainspace from becoming. So it's worth remembering that we do also have the option of simply restoring the deleted article after election day if she wins, which runs a lot less risk of setting a dangerous precedent.
Bearcat (
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21:08, 24 February 2016 (UTC)reply
I agree with
Bearcat here. I was going to make a similar suggestion myself, but then thought of the issue of setting a precedent. I don't think we should go down this road for precisely the reasons Bearcat outlined. Far better to delete for now, and then restore if/when necessary.
Frinton100 (
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23:10, 24 February 2016 (UTC)reply
Thank you both for falling so neatly into my little trap, which I hope was not quite an abuse because it was also a sincere question. I wanted to hear you say it so that I could add it to
WP:POLOUTCOMES, which I have found to be a very useful resource.
E.M.Gregory (
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02:04, 25 February 2016 (UTC)reply
Redirect to the election article. Should she lose, this is what we'd do anyway. Should she win, undoing it will be easy. In the mean time, we avoid the potential of having a keep-as-draft precedent. Either way, her name is a good search target; there wouldn't be anything wrong with creating this title as a redirect to the election if someone hadn't yet created it already.
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Keep He was a member of the
Albania national basketball team between 2004 and 2005. I'm not an expert on the basketball notability guidelines but going on the football (soccer) notability guidelines I believe that's enough. Although the article does need some work, I think it should stay.
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Delete - subject fails
WP:GNG due to lack of significant coverage. Current coverage seems to be passing only, as it is mostly limited to local news items that recount the circumstances of his death etc. If the incident he was killed in is notable some of these details could be used to write an article on that though.
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Delete. For my part, I thoroughly searched the
Project Rastko website, including the Ćorović's History of the Serbs[17], but found nothing remotely resembling the said document. The article is completely unreferenced, and fails to even explain what the purported Proclamation was about and why it was important.
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11:36, 22 February 2016 (UTC)reply
Merge -- I have no view on whether or not this is
original research, in effect invention. The article does have a source. I do not understand Serbo-Croat, but can make out words that look like archives and Zagreb, which makes me think it is not invention. I fully agree that it does not warrant a WP article; and certainly not one with this title, but it could conveniently be quoted at length in the article for which there is a current merge request.
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fails WP:CORP. could not find any significant coverage. Nothing in gnews . I wonder if someone following me in AfDs will suddenly appear here as well.
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10:01, 22 February 2016 (UTC)reply
Delete: Highbeam searches identify unrelated "Cool Beans" ventures in various countries, but only a brief Coventry Evening Telegraph mention (2001) for this firm:
[18] – via
HighBeam(subscription required) . There is also the complication of a current Cool Beans Productions website, also based in Sheffield
[19] but started 8 years after this firm ceased and apparently unrelated. That leaves reliance on the references in the article. The best is probably the Edge magazine feature, which does not appear to be available on their website search, but overall there does not seem to be enough to sustain an article as per
WP:CORPDEPTH.
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Delete - and move the main Hornsea article in on top. I agree with the nom's argument that none of these other things are likely to be called 'Hornsea' without clarification. — Preceding
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Mild Keep: The pottery is definitely known as "Hornsea" -example
http://chinasearch.co.uk/buy/hornsea/cornrose/ - though could perhaps be done by a hatnote. The others are partial titles, but of the sort which commonly are allowed onto dab pages. Given that there are two "Hornsea Station"s, it's useful to have this dab page which distinguishes them. The wind farm ... no, can't really justify. There seems to exist a Hornsea Town FC, but the only mention in Wikipedia is its reserves team playing in
East Riding County League.
PamD09:24, 23 February 2016 (UTC)reply
Hornsea is massively collectable, in a 60s-retro-chic sort of way; everyone's parents had it. Just look on ebay. (Perhaps has to be ebay.co.uk rather than ebay.com)
PamD09:44, 23 February 2016 (UTC)reply
Keep. I'm wondering if intgr is familiar with the way dab pages are being used, as all or most items on that page could be (colloquially) called Hornsea. Besides, the dab page isn't even the primary topic. --
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06:23, 27 February 2016 (UTC)reply
Well, that's not the same. The opera house would be a clear partial match, the items on that page aren't. The railway stations are typically included on dab pages (he took the train at Hornsea), the football club as well (they played Hornsea). Leaves the pottery, which I wouldn't include, but PamD refuted that, and the wind farm, which is borderline, but given the shortness of this page, I would err towards leaving it. --
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Comment I'll confess that I didn't see the first AfD, but the reference list is thin in my opinion. It largely looks like PR filler picked up by these publications, there seems to be little of susbtance with this company.
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17:01, 22 February 2016 (UTC)reply
I'm sorry, but you still haven't come up with a reason why this should merit an entry in Wikipedia. It has no online stores, turnover is
just £5m and all the press seems to be very little more than PR fluff, as is this article. Obviously you think this startup is important, and maybe it will be. But having a good PR department is not a good reason to have an article about your company.
Shritwod (
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19:11, 23 February 2016 (UTC)reply
Withdraw - my interpretation of what is notable coverage is clearly at odds with the other editors here. I personally don't think that recycled PR guff makes a reliable news story, but I feel the weight of opinion is against me. Since I think this is likely to go "Keep" despite my arguments, I hereby withdraw the AfD.
Shritwod (
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17:00, 24 February 2016 (UTC) Actually, it turns out I am not alone so I go back to Delete.reply
I have removed bold from the word "delete" in the comment above by the nominator, because this could be misunderstood as a new !vote. The nomination itself is the !vote. North America100007:45, 25 February 2016 (UTC)reply
Delete. These are all news reports about the company. Learn what a primary source is, and try treating news reports as secondary sources in academic writing, before you vote to keep an article based on newspaper articles like these.
Nyttend (
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03:02, 25 February 2016 (UTC)reply
Press releases are labeled "press release" wherever they occur in news media. Bylined articles are written by the author indicated. Significant coverage in reliable sources independent of the subject is significant coverage in reliable sources independent of the subject.
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04:36, 26 February 2016 (UTC)reply
Keep - for same reason as I argued in the last AfD. The page lacks references but the "Further readings" and "External links" covering the subject could be worked into the article.
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Delete. I was unable to find the key ingredient for keeping an article: significant coverage in multiple independent reliable sources. Not even one source. Perhaps there are some in a foreign language? The sources given in the article are either primary sources or directory entries. ~
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Delete at best because, unless there's enough convincing to move to Super Mario Kart as mentioned above, there's nothing to suggest a solidly independently notable article.
SwisterTwistertalk05:47, 23 February 2016 (UTC)reply
Delete. She isn't notable enough to warrant a page on Wikipedia, though she's still more notable than some other VGM composers with articles here.
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Mostly a directory, this article lacks the sourcing to suggest this organization is notable, and such organizations are certainly not automatically notable.
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21:43, 15 February 2016 (UTC)reply
Keep. This is the national representative body for international students in Australia, and a major policy organisation in issues relating to higher education. This set of nominations are utterly bizarre: Drmies is running around nominating organisations with long histories and detailed book and newspaper coverage going back decades; it takes only the tiniest of knowledge of the subject to know that the collapse of this organisation's direct predecessor made very memorable national news, and in this case I found about ten major newspaper articles specifically about it in the first three pages of Google. I know he's a prominent editor, but this is the sort of set of nominations that deserves a block for disruption. (For context, this editor nominated the Monash University student union, an organisation with a UC Berkeley-like history that is ridiculously well reported on in all manner of sources, for speedy deletion, which shows the level of diligence that went on beforehand.)
The Drover's Wife (
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22:14, 15 February 2016 (UTC)reply
This editor is trying to make this personal? I see no actual arguments here for keeping it, like links to discussion of the subject in reliable sources. If the editor wishes to argue that this nomination is somehow in bad faith, and that somehow I need to be blocked for nominating this horribly poorly referenced articles that consists mostly of chatter and directory information, I'll wait for the ANI nomination.
Drmies (
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01:33, 16 February 2016 (UTC)reply
Again, you nominated one of the most historically significant and heavily written about (in books and journals, etc.) student unions in the southern hemisphere for speedy deletion, and when I approached you on your talk page responded with
this. It may well be poorly referenced, and on Wikipedia we have a specific tag for that purpose to alert other editors to the issue: people acting in genuine good faith don't usually mass nominate every article in the broad subject area for deletion without the slightest attempt at research or regard to (or even interest in) notability.
The Drover's Wife (
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02:31, 16 February 2016 (UTC)reply
Comment - You said "...organisations with long histories and detailed book and newspaper coverage going back decades; it takes only the tiniest of knowledge of the subject to know that the collapse of this organisation's direct predecessor made very memorable national news..."
This organization was formed in 2010 according to the article. That's not a long history. What happened to this organization's predecessor lends no automatic notability to the subject of this article, as
notability is not inherited. However, you apparently have found a few good references, so perhaps those could be added to the article, as it has none right now that show evidence of notability. --|Uncle Milty |
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Keep: The article certainly needs a cleanup to remove the directory aspects of the article, but as The Drover's Wife has indicated above, there are certainly sources available to confirm the entity's notability.
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Fails
WP:CREATIVE. There is a lack of significant third party coverage about this woman. She is a jewelry designer who had pieces used on TV shows. The sourcing is horrible, mostly YouTube, Facebook and Etsy. Once those are gone, there is little left. A minor piece from a local radio station is probably the closest thing to actual coverage by a reliable source. She may be notable later, but not yet. Appears to be more of a promotion than an encyclopedia article. Article was PROD'd, but the author (who has no edits anywhere else), removed the PROD without comment.
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21:36, 15 February 2016 (UTC)reply
Delete - Lack of sourcing, the best/only noteworthy hit I have found is a piece on The Examiner, but the entire website has been (dubiously, IMO) blacklisted as a source.
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Keep. Unquestionable keep, meets WP:PROF as an expert in his field on two grounds: first, on the basis of the citation record: his most cited papers have 876, 848, 413, 235, 188, 183 citations. Even in biomedicine where citation s are high, 2 papers with over 100 citations each has always been enough here to show status as an expert, and this is many times that. His expert status is also shown by being the director of a major laboratory at one of the most important medical schools in the world. citations. the article is incompetent, and was clearly written in ignorance of our practices and our standarda, but it should have been fixed, not nominated for deletion. The GNG is irrelevant if it meets WP:PROF. DGG (
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Seems to fail
WP:LISTN as the set of items "fictional universes in games" does not, as a wide topic of interest, have reliable sources. The list will never be complete (or thorough!) without inclusion of every universe; even taking into account that we should probably only include notable universes, this list is also seems to violate
WP:NOT in its trivial intersection of fictional universes in games.
Izno (
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14:34, 15 February 2016 (UTC)reply
Delete per Izno. A list article of "universes" is not needed, it works better as a category. For instance, listed here are fictional worlds like
Warcraft#Azeroth, the city
Rapture (BioShock) and campaign settings like
Hârn. A lot of these are redirects to the games they belong to, like
Dragonstar,
Shadow World and
Gensokyo. This list is near-inexhaustive; besides the fact that fictional universes like
Middle-earth and the
Star Wars universe also appear in games, we could also wonder if games like Mass Effect (supposedly in "our" Galaxy) are "fictional". I've nominated
Hero Universe for deletion as well. --
Soetermans.
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C15:05, 16 February 2016 (UTC)reply
@
Soetermans: Per
WP:NOTDUP categories and lists aren't in competition, but more importantly nobody says it has to be exhaustible or that it has to be limited to "universes". There are an awful lot of sources about game universes, game cities, game locations, etc. as a general concept such that the list subject is, in general, notable. List-level inclusion criteria can prevent it from becoming a free-for-all where people add every arbitrary level of every Mario Brothers game. There are lots of notable game worlds which are notable as a universe/location beyond the game itself. That it doesn't make sense to cover them in a stand-alone article doesn't mean they're not notable (e.g. Liberty City outside of GTA: Liberty City -- it doesn't make sense to cover them separately, but there are tons of sources about the city Liberty City as it exists in the game. It would be easy to state as a requirement that anything included in
list of fictional locations in video games must be accompanied by sources to demonstrate notability of the location. — Rhododendritestalk \\
15:22, 16 February 2016 (UTC)reply
Delete as discussed at
WT:VG. As expected, another list with a vague scope collects a ton of cruft. If we had a defined set of "fictional universes" or even "fictional locations" in video games, there wouldn't be much of an issue, but right now there are so few independently notable that the ones that are are best tracked by a category. The proposed list here would collect every location that has ever been covered by a source, even if it isn't independently notable. Soetermans's second reply above nails the scope issues. czar02:28, 21 February 2016 (UTC)reply
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A rather promotional article, not citing any sources, and not in English. The subject may be suitable for a suitable article, but this is not that article. (Note: The creator of the article removed deletion proposal (PROD), without giving any reason for doing so.) The editor who uses the pseudonym "
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Delete The article creator just copypasted the original article and then ended his Wikipedia career there. I don't think it'll be translated in years if it's kept. Then add on top of that all of the other mentioned problems. --
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In addition it seems like our Slovakian friends may have deleted their version of the Massriot article because it only appears as a red link. --
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This indeed a work in progress, albeit a very important one. A
three-day meeting, attended by what was characterized in the announcement as "a small and select group of experts" (about 40), was held last week at the Fields Institute in Toronto with the goal of making progress towards such a library.
The main question was how mathematical knowledge should be represented in such a library. The main obstacle is that there are already a number of well-tested languages that are arguably suitable for this purpose, but it is not obvious how to fit them all to a common semantic framework.
The importance of this goal, and the significant amount of effort being made towards it, should hopefully counterbalance the absence to date of a single central library. It's an extremely interesting problem, otherwise
Ingrid Daubechies (who is not herself a semantics person) would not be paying it this much attention.
Vaughan Pratt (
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20:54, 8 February 2016 (UTC)reply
Keep for now and review in a couple of months time. This could easily be very notable.
WP:RAPID If no change (significant improvement) in a couple of months then speedy delete then.
Aoziwe (
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12:00, 9 February 2016 (UTC)reply
Keeping in mainspace for a while for some development and then allowing speedy deletion without AFD-type full discussion sounds bad... Or it sounds like a good plan if you want to cause future anger, frustration, conflict, etc. :( --
doncram22:40, 15 February 2016 (UTC)reply
Okay. Still getting back used to wiki protocols after a seven year absence. My main point was that I think it should be given a second chance for a while.
Aoziwe (
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13:00, 16 February 2016 (UTC)reply
Redirect, or delete. Can redirect to a mention in another article on the general problem, probably
Digital curation. I will add mention there. In this article there is no real content, ie there is nothing to merge. The topic of digital curation, or wikipedia's article, seems largely oriented to the problem of librarians staying employed, but also allows for specialist groups of non-librarians to make material useful, which is apparently the goal for this potential project. Focus on the challenge and potential. If a paragraph or stub article is focused on the nonexistent "library" then it is like a movie that is in early development, might not happen, and is TOOSOON for a Wikipedia article. Also, Wikipedia is not a place to post announcements or to provide links to members of a committee, task forces, or club. A person's name should be included in an encyclopedia article only if they are extraordinarily involved in a way that is clearly explained, in general. --
doncram22:40, 15 February 2016 (UTC)reply
Keep I see this article as being about an important open problem at the boundary of mathematics and knowledge engineering. The problem is currently best identified under the name of its desired solution, namely a global digital mathematics library. The workshop held February 3-5 this year at the Fields Institute, now mentioned in the article, gave a good idea of how difficult it will be for stakeholders such as Wolfram Research, Maplesoft, Mathworks, etc. to agree on a common semantic framework for such a library. What justifies having a Wikipedia article about what might seem at first sight like just another digital library is the importance of having a globally accepted semantic representation language for mathematical knowledge. This makes it a bit like one of the
Clay Prize problems but with the answer being a language instead of yes or no.
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News coverage in 2011 went on for a few weeks, my Proquest news search on "David Durham" + police + Oregon turned up 25 articles, all from Oregon papers. They include reports of a false lead and the fact that they found his dog. Also articles about the wounded officer returning to duty, all from the winter/spring of 2011. There was an article on the one year anniversary of the incident.
[21] Repeated the search on google news and got a few more hits, many false, many duplicates,
[22]. also this one sorted by date
[23]. I'm just not seeing that much coverage.
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There is a false impression given that somehow there is a "generic" VSA; saying that "each VSA operates independently" is thus misleading. Much of this article is directory information, and much of the rest is some unencyclopedic talk of flags and politics. As a topic it's not notable because it's not a topic, and it (therefore) does not pass the GNG.
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Keep. Or "speedy keep". This is a serious and good article based appropriately at the common name for these. It is clear about what it is, not misleading, and it includes a list of formal VSAs that are associations of having many chapters each. It is good to have a combo article providing context, history, and reducing need for separate short articles. There do exist associations that are formally related. And if all VSAs really were completely independent (I think not true) it would be worthwhile for an article to state that, about how they differ from student associations like honor societies and Greek partying and living clubs and ethnic/racial affiliated societes that have some loose national government.
Politically it would be not smart for Wikipedia to delete this, wiping out coverage of Vietnamese students, their organizations, their struggles (see mention of controversy at Cal State Fullerton for example). This could be like wiping out coverage of black student groups and civil rights struggles. When Wikipedia has vast coverage of Greek societies. See
Category:Lists of chapters of United States student societies by college and browse up and down in category tree. The nommed article has content; compare to
List of fraternities and sororities at George Mason University which has nothing but links to national Greek societies, many being arguably frivolous relative to issues of Vietnamese-Americans. Maybe this is an East coast vs West coast thing? Huge concentration of Vietnamese and Vietnamese-Americans in Southern California. I could imagine seeing media coverage of Wikipedia blowing this, akin to how media blew up issue of American novelists not including women ones. :(. My view is practical not "P.C.". Don't blow it.
And was the article read? It is not bad. The Nom has an opinion about editing in the lede, and maybe a good one, but that is an issue for talk page not AFD. --
doncram01:36, 16 February 2016 (UTC)reply
Delete as a mixture of
WP:OR,
WP:SYNTH and
WP:NOTDIRECTORY. As the nominator correctly identifies, this article is about a group of associations rather than a single association. The sources cited do not discuss Vietnamese student associations in general, and some of them are not about Vietnamese student associations at all.
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Delete - could not find any significant coverage from third party sources to pass
WP:GNG. Also the cases mentioned do not meet threshold for general notability to be included on Wikipedia. KagunduWanna Chat?07:34, 16 February 2016 (UTC)reply
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Delete (see below): This is just an essay or personal reflection on Scientology. There are some sources, but the article is using them to build towards a synthetic point. —/
Mendaliv/2¢/Δ's/
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Frustratingly enough, because content has been merged from this article to another, the outcome may need to be merge and redirect in order to preserve attribution. I would also support removing and revdeling the content from the other article so this page can be properly deleted, which I think would have been the right outcome in the first place. —/
Mendaliv/2¢/Δ's/
11:34, 23 February 2016 (UTC)reply
Comment not sure at all that scientology and science are linked at all! This seems to be one of a whole series of articles "Scientology and ..." .
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Keep as much as it pains me to say, but a NPOV requires me to do so, even if the article itself might not present NPOV, and it does need to be de-essayed, etc. However they do quote and reference SA and SA's Michael Shermer, a well recognised skeptic, so perhaps it is NPOV after all.
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See, the problem is that if text was incorporated into another article, this AfD may have to be closed as merge in order to preserve attribution. I guess it's something for the closing admin to look at and sort out, though. —/
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declined prod. fails WP:GNG. I could not find significant coverage for this including its alternate name "Leicester Short Film Festival". there is one source which says it was the 4th biggest short film festival in the UK but that in itself does not grant inherent notability.
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00:17, 8 February 2016 (UTC)reply
Notable. The sourcing available satisfies GNG and being the fourth largest is certainly an indicator of notability. Alternatively, the page is a plausible redirect to the section of the article
Leicester where the festival is presently mentioned, and has mergeable content. Accordingly deletion would violate ATD, PRESERVE and R. As I removed the PROD, I think it would be completely improper of me not to show up here.
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Delete Article is seven years old and has not grown. I assume it happens annually, so if notable and interesting it should have a lot more by now, for example films featured by year, festival outcomes / recognitions of presented by year, etc. Merge and redirect as per James500.
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12:23, 9 February 2016 (UTC)reply
WP:IMPATIENT is one of the proverbial 'arguments to avoid'. "Delete" and "merge and redirect" are mutually exclusive outcomes because of
WP:CWW. If we merge the content to the Leicester article, we have to retain the page history in order to comply with the attribution requirements of the creative commons license that we use.
James500 (
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16:48, 9 February 2016 (UTC)reply
Merge and redirect strike my delete above. Not
WP:IMPATIENT - if it was notable then there should be plenty of new secondary references available for every year it was held (and yes a lot more content too)?
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This is a non-notable actress with no significant coverage to be found. She was only in mockbusters made by the Asylum and all sources currently listed here are sources from the Asylum website and IMDb pages.
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Comment: Well... if we can prove notability for the films and show that she played major enough roles, that would be enough to assert notability even if she was only in Asylum films. That said, sourcing Asylum articles can be difficult since they either get a ton of coverage or none. I'll see what I can find.
Tokyogirl79 (。◕‿◕。)08:54, 7 February 2016 (UTC)reply
Weak keep. Here's a rundown of the films:
Hillside Cannibals barely passes NFILM. Roby is one of the first billed on IMDb.
The Exorcism doesn't seem to pass, but she's the central actress and named in the sole review I could find.
Bram Stoker's Dracula's Curse looks like it may pass, but Roby is not one of the top billed performers.
Apocalypse doesn't seem to pass NFILM, Roby is mildly high up on the billing list. (Apocalypse article could redirect to the Asylum article, where it's mentioned.)
The 9/11 Commission Report fails NFILM and Roby's role appears to be very minor. This article was redirected to its director,
Leigh Scott.
Halloween Night barely passes NFILM and her role is fairly high on the billing.
The Hitchhiker looks like it would pass, but Roby's role is fairly low on the billing, suggesting that it is fairly minor.
Invasion of the Pod People passes and I was surprised to find a mention in an academic text. Roby's role is central here.
The basic gist here is that she's been a major star in two Asylum films, with the remaining seven roles being supporting. Of the supporting roles, five of these are either extremely minor (meaning not within the first 5-10 people billed in the film) and/or the movie does not appear to pass notability guidelines. The remaining film, Halloween Night, has her relatively high up enough on the billing to suggest that it'd likely be a role that could contribute notability and the film barely passes NFILM. If this role was the only one I'd use to establish notability this would be a delete on my end, however she's had major roles in two films that received some coverage in RS and while one of the films doesn't pass NFILM, the fact that she received coverage does count towards notability to a certain degree. This isn't a strong keep for me and I won't be particularly upset if it gets deleted. (If deleted, it should redirect to Invasion of the Pod People, which appears to be her best known role.) However there's just enough here for her to weakly pass NACTOR as it currently stands.
Tokyogirl79 (。◕‿◕。)09:59, 7 February 2016 (UTC)reply
I am sure Tokyogirl is is very familiar with the phrase. However
WP:NACTOR invites us to consider whether a subject "Has had significant roles in multiple notable films" and it seems to me that is precisely what Tokyogirl has been doing with great care. If you have an alternative careful analysis, please present it.
Thincat (
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21:26, 7 February 2016 (UTC)reply
Keep As per
WP:ARTIST notability guideline, an artist may be notable if the person has created or played a major role in co-creating a significant or well-known work or collective body of work. As documented by the current version of the article, Erica has played a major role in co-creating Celebrity Rehab with Dr. Drew, Denise Richards: It's Complicated and the thirteenth season of The Amazing Race (associate producer). Further, Erica has produced
Shipwreck Men and
Hell's Kitchen too.
[24] All of these works are creditably notable. Additionally, as per
WP:ENTERTAINER notability guideline, an artist may be notable if the person has had significant roles in multiple notable films, television shows, stage performances, or other productions. As documented by the current version of the article, Erica has played significant lead roles in Exorcism: The Possession of Gail Bowers and Invasion of the Pod People. Both these works are also notable, being featured on Wikipedia. These are person-specific notability guidelines and do not require GNG to be immediately obtained for the person to be deemed possibly notable. Erica Roby easily passes both the guidelines mentioned by me. Thanks.
Xender Lourdes (
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04:24, 15 February 2016 (UTC)reply
Delete two leading roles and a variety of bit parts really isn't a significant body of work as I understand it. This person is a minor figure.
Philafrenzy (
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18:04, 23 February 2016 (UTC)reply
Hello
Philafrenzy. You mention a significant body of work as being required for notability. But
WP:ARTIST does not mention a significant body of work for possible notability.
WP:ARTIST's exact words are, an artist may be notable if the person has created or played a major role in co-creating a significant or well-known work... That guideline seems to be referring to even one single work rather than a body of work as you are referring to. Erica has contributed two leading roles and not just a single one. Also, maybe you missed it, Erica has co-created Celebrity Rehab with Dr. Drew, Denise Richards: It's Complicated and the thirteenth season of The Amazing Race (associate producer); and has produced
Shipwreck Men and
Hell's Kitchen too. This is simply much more than the single a significant work requirement of the notability guideline. This again seems to be passing on the artist notability guideline. Am I wrong in assuming so? Do please help in clarifying.
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Was speedied and proded due to probable COI creator. In reviewing the sources and Google News, subject does not seem to pass GNG or PORNBIO. Buzzfeed and Daily Sport are not RS. The Guardian is reliable but features a primary excerpt from the subject. Which leaves only AVN and one source is not sufficient to satisfy the GNG.
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The result was delete. Blatant self promotion. Non-notable photographer who was in the news recently for telling others to commit suicide/self promoting his vehicles. No credibly noted; no independent/non-promotional sources.seicer |
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Apparent autobiographical advertisement page created and edited by subject (new user,
only contributions are creating and editing this article). Appears to not be notable; references consist mainly of being listed in several "socially influential photographers" lists, blogs and a self-published biography.
Subject of article appears to not have received significant coverage in reliable sources independent of subject; the article appears to have been created as a promotional tool by the subject. Article is supported mainly by self-published sources (not recommended per BLP guidelines).
Delete; Appears to be more self-promotional than anything else. I can't find much information about the subject aside from Facebook page, and main website, not much else.
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Delete; This article is a self-promoting advertisement. I could also write an autobiographical article about my photography and the multiple awards I've won, but it never crossed my mind because I don't have a business to promote. — Preceding
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This person has not made any notable contributions above and beyond the THOUSANDS of other photographers floating around. Please consider deleting this entry. — Preceding
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this guy is a huge chode. Delete- not a good artist and not a good person.
This is clearly a page he created for self promotion.
Delete Artist has created this page as a way to promote himself and shame others on the internet.
DELETE. Suggests suicide to all who disagree with him. Please see the following link:
http://imgur.com/x1LRoxT.
DELETE- Suggests suicide to any who disagree with him, treats others with zero respect, and created this purely for self promotion. Uses it and links it frequently on his pages, as well as using it to rub in others faces as to how "important" he is just because he has his own Wiki page. [kstpeter29]
Delete This appears to be an obvious violation of
WP:COI since the page appears to have been created by Jake Olson himself. Additionally, this does not fit the requirements established by
WP:NOTE, specifically in regards to
WP:NTEMP and
WP:SPIP.
Xe7al (
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01:12, 23 February 2016 (UTC)reply
While the author of this page could have been Jake Olson himself or someone hired to write it, it's important to point out the recent outrage wave towards Olson. Deleting this page can be an small victory fort people who are aware of Olson behavior but for potential clients and collaborators is imperative that they know the kind of person Olson is, while "contributions of the world of art" are a great PR strategy this can never hide the real human being behind his despicable attitude --
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09:36, 23 February 2016 (UTC)reply
Don't worry, whether the article is deleted or not will depend solely upon how well the article meets the requirements of Wikipedia's guidelines, especially those guidelines addressed in this discussion. --|Uncle Milty |
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Delete if we can all create pages about ourselves, i'd like one! as a budding photographer (who treats people better than this guy (i don't even know who he is, so he's clearly not as famous as he thinks)) i'd like a page about myself!! so can i create one? haha! how long before this does get decided for deletion, or not?
TQfan (
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20:43, 23 February 2016 (UTC)reply
Delete -- page driven by Facebook controversy and sole Forbes listing (which is questionable given their platforming); seems self-promotional and self-referential.
Icarus of old (
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22:49, 23 February 2016 (UTC)reply
Delete -- Forbes and Huffington Post articles cited are written by the CEO of Raynforest, a Marketing company who compensate industry "influencers" to review and promote relevant products online.
Neildorgan (
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00:39, 24 February 2016 (UTC)reply
Delete -- The article is not enlightening about the subject. The subject does not appear to be a notable person, as per the rules for
WP:Bio. As per the article history, the article was created on January 16, 2016 by
User: A Wiki Account For Me, the
User talk:A Wiki Account For Me page which begins with "Hello, Jake, please have fun editing your own insignificant Wikipedia page. We hope you feel very special by doing so.". I think it's safe to say that the creator of the page is none other than the subject of the "biography". And as we all know, it's generally frowned-upon to write one's own biography on wikipedia.
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Delete ****** or charge this person for advertising, it is 100% self promotion. I never had heard of this person until I read the rant he made about how great he is. Delete this bozo. — Preceding
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Strong keep: Discussed in numerous independent reliable sources. In addition to the Christian Post article discussing the website at length, there are several other significant mentions.
CBN broadcasted
a piece about website, and the site has gotten some significant coverage of it's Freshmen compilations, these CCM Magazine and
Wade-O Radio stories about the Freshmen 2015, for example. There also is some discussion of the site in reviews of it's King Kulture albums (see
this and
this for just two examples), and also
some discussion of the accompanying school building project in Africa that the album sales support. In addition to that coverage, the site has partnered in events with several significant organizations, including
Chris Chicago's radio show and the
GMA Dove Awards. Lastly, I found two brief mentions in book sources (
here and
here).--
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Comment Many of these Unix commands are all borderline
WP:NOTMANUAL violations. I think it would be better to transwiki them en masse to Wikibooks in one complete book, than to delete them one-by-one. This should probably be discussed at
Wikipedia:WikiProject Computing first, though. —Ruud09:31, 22 February 2016 (UTC)reply
I'm not sure what the answer is but I don't beleive that dealing with this one article at a time is the roght approach. These two templates give you an idea of the current scope of coverage of individual commands and utilities. See also
List of DOS commands. ~
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Comment I generally agree with Kvng that we should find a general solution for this kind of article. But some commands are more notable, such as those that have become associated with a wider arena, for example,
uucp lead to UUCPNET. Similarly, some not-so-obvious UNIX commands have proved useful enough that they have been imitated on many other operating systems. I think these better-known commands deserve an article.
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@
Jc3s5h: I don't think anyone would want to delete the article on UUCP for exactly the reason you give. But we wouldn't want separate entries for uucp, uux and uucico.
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Non-notable web company. Sources are a blog, a primary source interview, press releases, the company website (and even that fails to support the statement where cited). Searches found nothing better, nothing that even begins to meet
WP:CORP.
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Delete: A
WP:SPA article loaded into mainspace after being rejected 4 times at AfC. As per the advice from the AfC reviewers, "This submission's references do not adequately show the subject's notability", nor can better be located. Fails
WP:CORPDEPTH,
WP:GNG.
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Citations provided here either lack independence (www.alancross.ca/about-me/ et al.), reliability (BlogTO), or come from sources without at least regional circulation (the Toronto Star, Post City). The article on this person requires evidence of non-trivial coverage in multiple independent reliable sources with a broader readership base than city newspapers in order to be retained. Right now it doesn't have it, and my own search for such sources turned up nothing that looked like it would qualify— being a radio broadcaster and having a website are not evidence of notability (though sorry,
Bearcat). KDS4444Talk00:18, 22 February 2016 (UTC)reply
Keep: the Toronto Star typically has the highest circulation of any Canadian newspaper, so while it's got "Toronto" in the name, I believe it's a strong source. The article's current sourcing isn't great, but there are three solid articles about Cross in the Toronto Star:
here,
here, and
here. There are also articles from
the National Post, the
Financial Post, and
the Toronto Sun (the latter is admittedly a tabloid, but still offers some coverage). While some of these articles deal with the same topic (his relationship with Edge 102.1), I think there's enough varied discussion here to show
WP:BIO notability. Thanks,
/wiae/tlk01:11, 22 February 2016 (UTC)reply
Keep. A sourced article about the host of multiple nationally syndicated shows. Here's another source from the Toronto Star[25] and other sources are apparent in searches. I don't think deletion of this sort of content improves Wikipedia's encyclopedic coverage of Canadian radio. --
Arxiloxos (
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The key notability claim here isn't the fact that he's been a local radio host in regular drive time — it's the facts that (a) his longrunning radio documentary program The Ongoing History of New Music has been nationally syndicated on radio stations extending all the way across Canada, and (b) the guy's written and published several books. The only reason the sourcing is inadequate here is that the article was created in 2005, a time when our sourcing requirements were a lot looser than they are now, and just didn't get improved as quickly as our RS standards evolved — the rule really once was that no sources at all had to be cited in the article, as long as the facts were verifiable if someone went looking for verification on their own time and dime. (I agree that sounds, and was, absolutely idiotic given all we've learned since then about how determined some people are to fill Wikipedia with PR bullshit and hoaxes and attack edits — but it is the way the rules were at one time, so we have to at least try to determine if an article created that long ago is salvageable before we run it out the door for not already being fully compliant with current standards.) At any rate, he gets over 200 hits on
ProQuest, which means the sourcing does exist to get this back up to snuff. They won't all be useful or substantive sources, I admit, but even if just five or six of them are actually viable that would still be enough to satisfy GNG — and more than five or six of them will be viable, because even when I add "ongoing history of new music" to the search string to filter it further I still get 65 hits which nationalize to Ottawa and Calgary and Edmonton and Vancouver and Winnipeg and Halifax and St. John's and Victoria. Keep.
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22:33, 22 February 2016 (UTC)
As previous editors have noted, given their requests for deletion, this poet seems patently non-notable, and being Dundee's 'Makar' (a role which demands the title-holder send tweets) does not help signify anything on this already slender page. I have searched extensively online and there are very few articles out there to warrant inclusion on Wikipedia.reply
Keep The article needs some work but
WP:BEFORE does not appear to have been followed here. I'm surprised at the suggestion by the nominator that not much shows up on a search. Even a basic search shows a rich spread of coverage in reliable sources.
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22:54, 22 February 2016 (UTC)reply
Keep, per Drchriswilliams and E.M.Gregory. Article gives plenty of indications of notability. (Aside: I'm curious that a new user appears on Wikipedia and the very first thing they do is to nominate this article for deletion....) --
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01:14, 23 February 2016 (UTC)reply
Delete I can see from the last AfD that significant searches were made to prove notability, but as far as I see there still isn't an article / more than one article that asserts significant proof in a reliable secondary source. Fails WP:N and WP:V. Insufficient references based on reliable, third-party published sources.— Preceding
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217.34.35.146 (
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Strong Delete Given that previous edits show a variety of people raising this issue in the past and that it fails WP:N and WP:V, strong delete, let's not be hassled by the issue further as it'll clearly only be raised by other users in future.
ClaireJones19883 —Preceding
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Where is the "last AFD"? I see none on the talk page, none linked here. Who are the editors demanding deletion and where does Nom see their demands? I am completely puzzled. He is a Fellow of the Royal Society, a well-known poet,, and even a very simple news google on his name in produces prima facie support for notability, here:
[1], that same google search also showed that he has gotten a lot of attention for his storng, public support for the highly controversial politician
Jeremy Corbyn. Can it be that this AFD is a political battle
[2] being waged at AFD?
E.M.Gregory (
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20:19, 23 February 2016 (UTC)reply
Strong Keep As this is a notable poet, per the multiple mentions by E.M. Gregory and Drchriswilliams. I'm not one to throw around the idea of bad faith, however I find it interesting that a new user's first edit was to create an AfD on this article, especially given the news article listed above.
RickinBaltimore (
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20:23, 23 February 2016 (UTC)reply
Delete I’m just intrigued that Fellowship status is being used to support this entry. Many types of fellowship exist, and as such they don’t signify notability, otherwise many academics would require Wikipedia pages and this would be a cluttered place indeed. The existing stub is evidently weak and do the mentions kindly posted by the E.M.Gregory prove significant coverage, rather than mere mentions? I will investigate, but journalism supporting Jeremy Corbyn is not evidence for notability either, or every Guardian reporter would warrant a page. As the revision by ‘Randykitty’ on 2nd January proves, this article has been PRODded before, and the editor was advised to ‘take to AfD is necessary’. I think new arrivals on Wiki are encouraged to edit, so Jlayton’s nomination for deletion is only carrying on previous concerns by other users, so I wouldn’t presume bad faith. Saying someone is a ‘well known’ poet when evidence of this is up for dispute could smack of nepotism but I too want to preserve good faith as long as possible.
81.149.126.164 (
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14:54, 25 February 2016 (UTC) AdamKlayreply
Comment, editors talking about "previous afd" may be meaning
this prod, anyway Keep, subject meets
WP:ANYBIO and
WP:CREATIVE, which is now reflected in the article, thanks to
Drchriswilliams. A Gsearch brings up lots of useable references ie. he judges notable poetry prizes - "The UK's most valuable annual poetry prizes are in their 13th year and going strong." -
[3], his books appear as recommended reading for university studies, here is a gsearch page that show a number of study programs -
[4], here is another book review - "WN Herbert's informative and witty preface rightly urges readers simply to hurl themselves into the poems,.."
[5]. Could a helpful Admin please "snowy keep" this one, as this appears to be another waste of time, although article has been improved
Coolabahapple (
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15:32, 25 February 2016 (UTC)reply
Further comment (based on recent delete comments), no, the previous proder and this nom did not edit the article or discuss notability concerns on the talkpage, nor have they appeared to carry out checks according to "2.If there are verifiability, notability or other sourcing concerns, take reasonable steps to search for reliable sources. (See step D.)" - from B. Carry out these checks of
WP:BEFORE.
Coolabahapple (
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15:48, 25 February 2016 (UTC)reply
Still advising keep as above, but I have just revited this and it is worse than I had assumed. Every delete ivote is by a new, or close-to new editor, with the possible exception of
User:ClaireJones19883, who has made a small number of edits (I did not look at the edits, but her
User talk:Clairejones19883 and the article Claire Jones was trying to have accepted,
Ruth Dugdall, was in fact added to Wikipedia by a different very low-volume editor, then edited by ClaireJones.) Back to this page, it is clear that either someone is using many accounts in an attempt to delete this page, or that this poet has enemies 4 or 5 of whom have come to Wikipedia for the purpose of voting delete on this page. It is also clear that every experienced editor who has offered an opinion has opined keep this
WP:SNOWBALL.
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delete as local politician with no notability at this point, although she is standing for a legislative seat. If she wins, article will have to be recreated.
E.M.Gregory (
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01:01, 24 February 2016 (UTC)reply
Non-winning candidates for office do not get Wikipedia articles just for being candidates — if you cannot make and
reliably source a credible claim that she was already notable enough for a Wikipedia article for something independent of her candidacy, then she does not become notable enough for a Wikipedia article until she wins the seat. But this claims nothing except candidate, and cites no sources — which means she does not get an inclusion freebie just because candidate. The article is actually missing the fact that in addition to having stood in last year's UK parliament election, she also seems to be a candidate in the forthcoming Welsh Assembly election — which means she still has a chance of getting into Wikipedia if she wins that seat, but still does not get an article just for being a candidate. Delete; no prejudice against recreation on or after May 5 if she wins.
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19:04, 25 February 2016 (UTC)reply
A quick web search seems to indicate that she's not really notable, but Highbeam does have a fair few hits. I can't see much detail about her though.♦
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Hardly any presence on Oricon. Has she charted under any of her names. Otherwise she sings on a few anime songs. Not sure whether that is enough to keep her around.
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Withdrawn by nominator She has a single solo hit that charted, but was also involved in a band/group Project R that has reached top ten. The Japanese wikipedia article for her is decently sourced, so will need someone to bring that content over.
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15:14, 24 February 2016 (UTC)reply
"The Power of Love" (1997, among Cyber Nation Network) #94
"Love Tropicana Final" (2003, solo) #108
"Enjin First Lap" (double A-side with Engine Sentai Go-onger) (2008, Project.R(
Takayoshi Tanimoto, Sister Mayo, Kenichiro Oishi) wih Enjin Kids) #4
"Enjin Second Lap (Turbo Custom)" (2008, Project.R(Hideaki Takatori, Mayumi Gojo, Takayoshi Tanimoto, Sister Mayo, Kenichiro Oishi) with Enjin Kids) #39
"Jonetsu (We Are Bothers)" (2012, among Hero Music All Stars) #56
Between her Cyber Nation Network, solo and Project.R work there definitely seems to be an argument for notability (especially the "Enjin First Lap" single), but only really if the article has enough content to warrant it. --
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Delete Apparently it was originally listed for speedy deletion but the creator of the article asked for 30 days to make the article better. The last edit the creator made to the article was 4 days later and when the month's time was almost up he disappeared from Wikipedia completely. --
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Comment This seems to be a problem for production assistants and other crew members as well. There are plenty of shows where they have worked on but his role in particular isn't listed among the MADB. Also he is not listed in the Japanese Wikipedia anymore, unless someone got his kanji wrong.
AngusWOOF (
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Delete I had no better luck finding sources to back this up than I did when I proposed it for deletion in 2010, and no new sources have appeared here in the interim. --
joe deckertalk20:31, 22 February 2016 (UTC)reply
Delete Couldn't find anything but minor listings of these credits. I'm also curious: what has he produced to be a producer? I checked the entire list and it was mostly key animation and photography. The closest thing was the lone visual effects supervision. --
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Biased keep: I've been on Wikipedia a long time, but always steered clear of AfD. Today I decided to look into nominating
Indeterminacy in concurrent computation for deletion (the original contributor
Carl Hewitt was banned from Wikipedia for life around 2009; as a working computer scientist, I find this article too hairy to salvage, but I've decided I'm not going to pony up for the AfD process having looked at it).
When I came here I was more than mildly shocked to see Delta Waterfowl up for deletion. My wife once worked there (Manitoba) long ago (predator management phase). My impression is that within the wetland conservation community, Delta Waterfowl is far from non-notable. Think of it this way. A not-for-profit can spend its donations on self-promotion (many sources, few accomplishments) or it can go the other direction (fewer sources, more accomplishments). Are we here to punish them for spending less on their publicity engine than they otherwise might have? Disease, meet master.
Delta Waterfowl's research data, in many cases, has been the cornerstone of duck and geese understanding. Such research was the impetus for establishing a spring breeding survey. Most of the basic understanding about prairie breeding ecology and even winter ecology has been a result of Delta Waterfowl research.
...
"When you look at administrative and overhead, Delta Waterfowl is about as skinny as you'll find," says Devney.
Both of those statements accord with my personal perspective, one step removed, for what it's worth. On the flip side, the organization is extremely inbred, with membership consisting almost exclusively of duck hunters. —
MaxEnt20:54, 22 February 2016 (UTC)reply
Footnote: just for the record, the fabulous little
marbled polecat article (obscure species, referenced to the hilt) came out of my wife's relationship with a scientist who once worked there, from long ago when I encouraged her to take a stab at this new thing. He was typical of many interns who once went through that program. —
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Subject is not genuinely notable, and original page was created as a vanity page by a close colleague of the subject,
User:Aero777. The page was trimmed back to only contain information with some support in relaible sources, but this has not establisehd notability. The subject has now requested deletion through his close colleague: see the discussion at
User talk:Jonathan A Jones#G. Kogelen Govindasamy.
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18:41, 22 February 2016 (UTC)reply
Just to re-affirm, Dr. Kogelen hopes that the page
G. Kogelen Govindasamy could be deleted as soon as possible, as it is causing significant misunderstanding among his colleagues. I don't believe it is necessary to discuss or contest this deletion over the course of 1 week as per the usual policy, as both main editors involved have agreed to nominate it for deletion.
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Delete When the page was first created I had tagged it for a CSD under the guises of a non-notable webpage. The claim of a high Alexa rating is dubious (see here:
[15]) as in Bangladesh alone it's not even in the top 200.
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21:11, 22 February 2016 (UTC)reply
Delete as advertising without any encyclopedic value, based on the website's registrant email of record and the fact that the article's patently false claims are disproven simply by clicking on the sole cited source.
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Please check the citation number 18. It is a clear proof of his critical acclaim. Don't delete this article by being paranoid. — Preceding
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And please check any of the many other citations than being so paranoid or judgemental. — Preceding
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Delete. I am not seeing any
significant coverage in reliable independent sources. None at all, actually, which is surprising considering the weak assertions of notability made in the lead section, barely enough to escape speedy deletion
WP:CSD#A7. ~
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I am sorry you're feeling discriminated against. I have no intention of doing so. Those other articles have significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subject (see
WP:GNG). I could not find that for Kanoah Tests. Those other products are stand-alone, not plug-ins, which may explain why they have significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent.
Walter Görlitz (
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16:57, 22 February 2016 (UTC)reply
Delete unless better sources are found and included or presented here to establish
notability clearly. At presnet the StilSoft source is the only one that looks both reliable and in-depth. The Favio Genovese source is a blog. The QuaTest. source includes the phrase "As beta testers, we are working very closely the Kanoah team." It is not independent. The G2Crowd source looks to be user-generated content and hence not reliable for Wikipedia. The QA Testing Tools source is rather brief, and seems to be based on a press release. The Advandus source includes the text "Advandus is available in an advisory capacity as an official partner of Kanoah for the success of your projects." and so is also not independent. We need
independent published
reliable sources to establish notability, with some depth of coverage.
DES(talk)02:29, 28 February 2016 (UTC)reply
Delete as per the above.
WP:USUAL applies, of course - if the system gets more notice in independent, reliable sources (as defined by our policies), then perhaps an article might work. Unfortunately, we're not there yet.
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The result was Snow keep. The topic unto itself is notable; to the extent that sources may differ on what counts as whitewashing, our article should outline the disagreement, per the
WP:BALANCE section of the NPOV policy.
Father Goose (
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21:43, 27 February 2016 (UTC)reply
What is considered whitewashing often varies by source, and therefore this article is not from a NPOV. For example, Argo is listed here, and while it is true that there was controversy over the casting, Mendez, the person Affleck portrayed, has said that he does not identify as Hispanic.
JDDJS (
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14:03, 22 February 2016 (UTC)reply
Keep since the notability of the topic is demonstrated by multiple reliable sources shown in the article. In fact, Gods of Egypt opening this weekend has been written about because of its whitewashing. In addition to the sources seen in the "References" section, there are even more listed at
Talk:List of films featuring whitewashed roles#References to use. Editor is being highly abrasive in wanting to delete any mention of this topic on Wikipedia because they have a concern about one film being listed. AfD is not cleanup. If the topic is clearly notable, and the actual content can be improved, then deletion is absolutely not warranted.
Erik (
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As TriiipleThreat articulated below, films that have been debated about back and forth have the different perspectives represented in the article. For example, Ridley Scott justifies the whitewashing of Exodus: Gods and Kings, and his statement is included with the film's entry. The same applies for various other films where such commentary exists (e.g., Hud).
Erik (
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I apologize, I thought that the Argo entry mentioned Tony Mendez's statement. I've expanded the entry to include his statement, like other entries have involved parties' statements when they are responses to the criticisms.
Erik (
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Keep: The list is well referenced and exceeds our
general notability guidelines. Our only responsibility is that the list is free of
original research and written from a
neutral point of view, which it appears to be. The example the nominator mentions is
verified by multiple citations. Although the subject in this particular example may not consider himself Hispanic, the sources clearly state that the role has been whitewashed. It might be worth noting the subject's opinion but this is an issue that can be resolved by normal editing.--
TriiipleThreat (
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14:23, 22 February 2016 (UTC)reply
Speedy Keep well referenced, clearly passes the GNG, nominator's only argument is that sources don't always agree about the definition of the term which is a terrible argument since sources disagree all the time.
Wugapodes (
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17:44, 22 February 2016 (UTC)reply
Speedy keep if reliable sources mention a role as whitewashed, we can include it, regardless of if other sources disagree (we could always mention that they disagree, if relevant.)
SatansFeminist (
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19:15, 22 February 2016 (UTC)reply
This was discussed
here, and the consensus was that
WP:BEFORE is not mandatory. It was also widely felt that
WP:BEFORE was, and is, too often used as a club to attack nominators. There were also concerns about it being filled with unhelpful and unproductive hurdles.
ReykYO!14:36, 23 February 2016 (UTC)reply
Thanks for the link! I'm fine with that consensus. I usually bring up WP:BEFORE to ask the nominator to do some brief research before nominating (for their future edits). While it may be too late at a given AfD, hopefully it has meant that the editor will review future discoveries more closely and nominate only the articles that really warrant it. Agree that it should not be a mandatory practice but rather just a best practice for long-term editors.
Erik (
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Keep per all the above. If you have an issue with one entry on the list, it's best to raise your concerns on the article's talkpage, instead of nominating the whole thing for deletion. LugnutsDick Laurent is dead07:48, 23 February 2016 (UTC)reply
I am troubled as I am at other articles I see at AFD by the lack of definition. The first sentence of the lede makes a sweeping statement. The second sentence mentions African-Americans. So is the topic American films or films? Does it include the Bollywood films that prefer Kashmiri and Indian Jewish actors because their skin is whiter than the nation as a whole? Chinese, Japanese, Turkish, Spanish, Italian and Latin American film industry preferences for whiter complexioned actors and, more dramatically, whiter complexioned actresses in countries with large ranges of skin-tone?
E.M.Gregory (
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16:43, 23 February 2016 (UTC)reply
E.M.Gregory, there used to be a sentence stating that this was common as part of the film industry in the United States. I've recalled it to life. I have not seen any coverage about Bollywood films in searching for coverage about whitewashing. That might need to be a distinct topic regarding skin tone in film, maybe the same umbrella as for advertising in general.
Erik (
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To follow up, I found
this, "In India's movie industry, the world's largest, scripts often follow a strict skin-to-character correlation, with light-skinned actresses in the major roles and dark-skinned actresses relegated to supporting characters." So there is definitely opportunity to write about this topic. However, I don't think it falls under the same umbrella as this whitewashing, which is Western-focused. It could be linked as a tangential topic in the "See also" section.
Erik (
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@
Erik: They use a different term, which I cannot recall; life would be easier if Brits Aussies, and English-speaking Indians spoke American. It is discussed, there and in several other countries. In some, including India, it also discussed in the context of those horrible, and dangerous, skin treatments young actresses put on their faces to "whiten" the skin. shudder. I do think a definition in the lede specifying that this article describes a practice in the American film industry is necessary.
E.M.Gregory (
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17:07, 23 February 2016 (UTC)reply
Comment: It seems like one of the main issues with the article is really the title - that these are alleged cases of whitewashing. How about just retitling it to something like
List of films featuring roles described as whitewashing or something like that? The list itself starts with the claim "Films in the list below have been described as whitewashed" and retitling it would reflect on this rather than making it sound like an absolute.
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This is an article about a US middle school with no clear claim of notability. Historically, (see
WP:SCHOOLOUTCOMES) these are almost always redirected to the appropriate school district article, in this case
Wyckoff School District. This action was taken boldly, but has been opposed, so it is being brought here for consensus.
Jacona (
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13:13, 22 February 2016 (UTC)reply
Merge to
Wyckoff School District. The school did win a national award, however there are 7,000 other schools in the U.S. that have won the Blue Ribbon Award for Excellence, so I am not sure if this would satisfy
WP:GNG. The only other claim of notability might be the alumni, but again notability is not inherited.
RickinBaltimore (
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14:35, 22 February 2016 (UTC)reply
Merge to
Wyckoff School District as per above - I would be bold and close as Merge myself but I know all kinds of shit will happen so figured I'd !vote instead, As noted above non-notable middle schools are merged to the school district which in this case is [Wyckoff School District]]. –
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I don't think this person meets
WP:POLITICIAN. Simply standing as a Plaid candidate is not sufficient, unless she wins the seat and gets in. Being a councillor is not especially significant as there are so many of them, and the level of news coverage is sufficient for me to think we should
err on the side of caution with this one.
Ritchie333(talk)(cont)13:02, 22 February 2016 (UTC)reply
Delete for now. We'll probably have to recreate the article in a few weeks' time, but POLITICIAN is clear that candidacy and local government do not confer notability.
Frinton100 (
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21:11, 22 February 2016 (UTC)reply
Delete. Local government does not confer an automatic
WP:NPOL pass on every local councillor who exists, being an as yet unelected candidate for higher office doesn't boost her includability at all, and the only source here is a
primary source profile on her own political party's website — and even a politician who has a clean NPOL claim still doesn't get to keep that kind of article based on that kind of sourcing. No prejudice against recreation if she wins the seat in the upcoming election, but nothing here gets her an article today.
Bearcat (
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21:37, 22 February 2016 (UTC)reply
Delete Ran a Proquest search just to check, a couple of hundred articles about her, sehe is clearly a very competent politician, stepped down from her cabinet her job running the schools, youth services in the 3-county region (pop. ~172,000) to run. As Finton100 says, the article will very likely have to be recreated after the polls close.
E.M.Gregory (
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00:58, 24 February 2016 (UTC)reply
Given she's contesting prime Plaid Cymru territory, perhaps it would make more sense to draft / userfy the article, until the election's over? I recall a similar thing happening to
Mhairi Black; you could almost pinpoint the precise moment at the 2015 General Election where she went from borderline speedy to obvious
WP:POLITICIAN.
Ritchie333(talk)(cont)14:03, 24 February 2016 (UTC)reply
Yes, that's absolutely an option as well. However, I foresee the definite danger that if we do that, it will be deemed as establishing a precedent that any premature article about an as-yet-unelected candidate for office can always be kept in draftspace pending the results of the election — so then draftspace would turn into exactly the repository of campaign brochures for political candidates that we're trying to prevent mainspace from becoming. So it's worth remembering that we do also have the option of simply restoring the deleted article after election day if she wins, which runs a lot less risk of setting a dangerous precedent.
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I agree with
Bearcat here. I was going to make a similar suggestion myself, but then thought of the issue of setting a precedent. I don't think we should go down this road for precisely the reasons Bearcat outlined. Far better to delete for now, and then restore if/when necessary.
Frinton100 (
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23:10, 24 February 2016 (UTC)reply
Thank you both for falling so neatly into my little trap, which I hope was not quite an abuse because it was also a sincere question. I wanted to hear you say it so that I could add it to
WP:POLOUTCOMES, which I have found to be a very useful resource.
E.M.Gregory (
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02:04, 25 February 2016 (UTC)reply
Redirect to the election article. Should she lose, this is what we'd do anyway. Should she win, undoing it will be easy. In the mean time, we avoid the potential of having a keep-as-draft precedent. Either way, her name is a good search target; there wouldn't be anything wrong with creating this title as a redirect to the election if someone hadn't yet created it already.
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Keep He was a member of the
Albania national basketball team between 2004 and 2005. I'm not an expert on the basketball notability guidelines but going on the football (soccer) notability guidelines I believe that's enough. Although the article does need some work, I think it should stay.
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Delete - subject fails
WP:GNG due to lack of significant coverage. Current coverage seems to be passing only, as it is mostly limited to local news items that recount the circumstances of his death etc. If the incident he was killed in is notable some of these details could be used to write an article on that though.
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Delete. For my part, I thoroughly searched the
Project Rastko website, including the Ćorović's History of the Serbs[17], but found nothing remotely resembling the said document. The article is completely unreferenced, and fails to even explain what the purported Proclamation was about and why it was important.
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11:36, 22 February 2016 (UTC)reply
Merge -- I have no view on whether or not this is
original research, in effect invention. The article does have a source. I do not understand Serbo-Croat, but can make out words that look like archives and Zagreb, which makes me think it is not invention. I fully agree that it does not warrant a WP article; and certainly not one with this title, but it could conveniently be quoted at length in the article for which there is a current merge request.
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fails WP:CORP. could not find any significant coverage. Nothing in gnews . I wonder if someone following me in AfDs will suddenly appear here as well.
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Delete: Highbeam searches identify unrelated "Cool Beans" ventures in various countries, but only a brief Coventry Evening Telegraph mention (2001) for this firm:
[18] – via
HighBeam(subscription required) . There is also the complication of a current Cool Beans Productions website, also based in Sheffield
[19] but started 8 years after this firm ceased and apparently unrelated. That leaves reliance on the references in the article. The best is probably the Edge magazine feature, which does not appear to be available on their website search, but overall there does not seem to be enough to sustain an article as per
WP:CORPDEPTH.
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Delete - and move the main Hornsea article in on top. I agree with the nom's argument that none of these other things are likely to be called 'Hornsea' without clarification. — Preceding
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Mild Keep: The pottery is definitely known as "Hornsea" -example
http://chinasearch.co.uk/buy/hornsea/cornrose/ - though could perhaps be done by a hatnote. The others are partial titles, but of the sort which commonly are allowed onto dab pages. Given that there are two "Hornsea Station"s, it's useful to have this dab page which distinguishes them. The wind farm ... no, can't really justify. There seems to exist a Hornsea Town FC, but the only mention in Wikipedia is its reserves team playing in
East Riding County League.
PamD09:24, 23 February 2016 (UTC)reply
Hornsea is massively collectable, in a 60s-retro-chic sort of way; everyone's parents had it. Just look on ebay. (Perhaps has to be ebay.co.uk rather than ebay.com)
PamD09:44, 23 February 2016 (UTC)reply
Keep. I'm wondering if intgr is familiar with the way dab pages are being used, as all or most items on that page could be (colloquially) called Hornsea. Besides, the dab page isn't even the primary topic. --
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06:23, 27 February 2016 (UTC)reply
Well, that's not the same. The opera house would be a clear partial match, the items on that page aren't. The railway stations are typically included on dab pages (he took the train at Hornsea), the football club as well (they played Hornsea). Leaves the pottery, which I wouldn't include, but PamD refuted that, and the wind farm, which is borderline, but given the shortness of this page, I would err towards leaving it. --
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Comment I'll confess that I didn't see the first AfD, but the reference list is thin in my opinion. It largely looks like PR filler picked up by these publications, there seems to be little of susbtance with this company.
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17:01, 22 February 2016 (UTC)reply
I'm sorry, but you still haven't come up with a reason why this should merit an entry in Wikipedia. It has no online stores, turnover is
just £5m and all the press seems to be very little more than PR fluff, as is this article. Obviously you think this startup is important, and maybe it will be. But having a good PR department is not a good reason to have an article about your company.
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19:11, 23 February 2016 (UTC)reply
Withdraw - my interpretation of what is notable coverage is clearly at odds with the other editors here. I personally don't think that recycled PR guff makes a reliable news story, but I feel the weight of opinion is against me. Since I think this is likely to go "Keep" despite my arguments, I hereby withdraw the AfD.
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17:00, 24 February 2016 (UTC) Actually, it turns out I am not alone so I go back to Delete.reply
I have removed bold from the word "delete" in the comment above by the nominator, because this could be misunderstood as a new !vote. The nomination itself is the !vote. North America100007:45, 25 February 2016 (UTC)reply
Delete. These are all news reports about the company. Learn what a primary source is, and try treating news reports as secondary sources in academic writing, before you vote to keep an article based on newspaper articles like these.
Nyttend (
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03:02, 25 February 2016 (UTC)reply
Press releases are labeled "press release" wherever they occur in news media. Bylined articles are written by the author indicated. Significant coverage in reliable sources independent of the subject is significant coverage in reliable sources independent of the subject.
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04:36, 26 February 2016 (UTC)reply
Keep - for same reason as I argued in the last AfD. The page lacks references but the "Further readings" and "External links" covering the subject could be worked into the article.
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Delete. I was unable to find the key ingredient for keeping an article: significant coverage in multiple independent reliable sources. Not even one source. Perhaps there are some in a foreign language? The sources given in the article are either primary sources or directory entries. ~
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Delete at best because, unless there's enough convincing to move to Super Mario Kart as mentioned above, there's nothing to suggest a solidly independently notable article.
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Delete. She isn't notable enough to warrant a page on Wikipedia, though she's still more notable than some other VGM composers with articles here.
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Mostly a directory, this article lacks the sourcing to suggest this organization is notable, and such organizations are certainly not automatically notable.
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21:43, 15 February 2016 (UTC)reply
Keep. This is the national representative body for international students in Australia, and a major policy organisation in issues relating to higher education. This set of nominations are utterly bizarre: Drmies is running around nominating organisations with long histories and detailed book and newspaper coverage going back decades; it takes only the tiniest of knowledge of the subject to know that the collapse of this organisation's direct predecessor made very memorable national news, and in this case I found about ten major newspaper articles specifically about it in the first three pages of Google. I know he's a prominent editor, but this is the sort of set of nominations that deserves a block for disruption. (For context, this editor nominated the Monash University student union, an organisation with a UC Berkeley-like history that is ridiculously well reported on in all manner of sources, for speedy deletion, which shows the level of diligence that went on beforehand.)
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22:14, 15 February 2016 (UTC)reply
This editor is trying to make this personal? I see no actual arguments here for keeping it, like links to discussion of the subject in reliable sources. If the editor wishes to argue that this nomination is somehow in bad faith, and that somehow I need to be blocked for nominating this horribly poorly referenced articles that consists mostly of chatter and directory information, I'll wait for the ANI nomination.
Drmies (
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01:33, 16 February 2016 (UTC)reply
Again, you nominated one of the most historically significant and heavily written about (in books and journals, etc.) student unions in the southern hemisphere for speedy deletion, and when I approached you on your talk page responded with
this. It may well be poorly referenced, and on Wikipedia we have a specific tag for that purpose to alert other editors to the issue: people acting in genuine good faith don't usually mass nominate every article in the broad subject area for deletion without the slightest attempt at research or regard to (or even interest in) notability.
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02:31, 16 February 2016 (UTC)reply
Comment - You said "...organisations with long histories and detailed book and newspaper coverage going back decades; it takes only the tiniest of knowledge of the subject to know that the collapse of this organisation's direct predecessor made very memorable national news..."
This organization was formed in 2010 according to the article. That's not a long history. What happened to this organization's predecessor lends no automatic notability to the subject of this article, as
notability is not inherited. However, you apparently have found a few good references, so perhaps those could be added to the article, as it has none right now that show evidence of notability. --|Uncle Milty |
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Keep: The article certainly needs a cleanup to remove the directory aspects of the article, but as The Drover's Wife has indicated above, there are certainly sources available to confirm the entity's notability.
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Fails
WP:CREATIVE. There is a lack of significant third party coverage about this woman. She is a jewelry designer who had pieces used on TV shows. The sourcing is horrible, mostly YouTube, Facebook and Etsy. Once those are gone, there is little left. A minor piece from a local radio station is probably the closest thing to actual coverage by a reliable source. She may be notable later, but not yet. Appears to be more of a promotion than an encyclopedia article. Article was PROD'd, but the author (who has no edits anywhere else), removed the PROD without comment.
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Delete - Lack of sourcing, the best/only noteworthy hit I have found is a piece on The Examiner, but the entire website has been (dubiously, IMO) blacklisted as a source.
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Keep. Unquestionable keep, meets WP:PROF as an expert in his field on two grounds: first, on the basis of the citation record: his most cited papers have 876, 848, 413, 235, 188, 183 citations. Even in biomedicine where citation s are high, 2 papers with over 100 citations each has always been enough here to show status as an expert, and this is many times that. His expert status is also shown by being the director of a major laboratory at one of the most important medical schools in the world. citations. the article is incompetent, and was clearly written in ignorance of our practices and our standarda, but it should have been fixed, not nominated for deletion. The GNG is irrelevant if it meets WP:PROF. DGG (
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Seems to fail
WP:LISTN as the set of items "fictional universes in games" does not, as a wide topic of interest, have reliable sources. The list will never be complete (or thorough!) without inclusion of every universe; even taking into account that we should probably only include notable universes, this list is also seems to violate
WP:NOT in its trivial intersection of fictional universes in games.
Izno (
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14:34, 15 February 2016 (UTC)reply
Delete per Izno. A list article of "universes" is not needed, it works better as a category. For instance, listed here are fictional worlds like
Warcraft#Azeroth, the city
Rapture (BioShock) and campaign settings like
Hârn. A lot of these are redirects to the games they belong to, like
Dragonstar,
Shadow World and
Gensokyo. This list is near-inexhaustive; besides the fact that fictional universes like
Middle-earth and the
Star Wars universe also appear in games, we could also wonder if games like Mass Effect (supposedly in "our" Galaxy) are "fictional". I've nominated
Hero Universe for deletion as well. --
Soetermans.
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C15:05, 16 February 2016 (UTC)reply
@
Soetermans: Per
WP:NOTDUP categories and lists aren't in competition, but more importantly nobody says it has to be exhaustible or that it has to be limited to "universes". There are an awful lot of sources about game universes, game cities, game locations, etc. as a general concept such that the list subject is, in general, notable. List-level inclusion criteria can prevent it from becoming a free-for-all where people add every arbitrary level of every Mario Brothers game. There are lots of notable game worlds which are notable as a universe/location beyond the game itself. That it doesn't make sense to cover them in a stand-alone article doesn't mean they're not notable (e.g. Liberty City outside of GTA: Liberty City -- it doesn't make sense to cover them separately, but there are tons of sources about the city Liberty City as it exists in the game. It would be easy to state as a requirement that anything included in
list of fictional locations in video games must be accompanied by sources to demonstrate notability of the location. — Rhododendritestalk \\
15:22, 16 February 2016 (UTC)reply
Delete as discussed at
WT:VG. As expected, another list with a vague scope collects a ton of cruft. If we had a defined set of "fictional universes" or even "fictional locations" in video games, there wouldn't be much of an issue, but right now there are so few independently notable that the ones that are are best tracked by a category. The proposed list here would collect every location that has ever been covered by a source, even if it isn't independently notable. Soetermans's second reply above nails the scope issues. czar02:28, 21 February 2016 (UTC)reply
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A rather promotional article, not citing any sources, and not in English. The subject may be suitable for a suitable article, but this is not that article. (Note: The creator of the article removed deletion proposal (PROD), without giving any reason for doing so.) The editor who uses the pseudonym "
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Delete The article creator just copypasted the original article and then ended his Wikipedia career there. I don't think it'll be translated in years if it's kept. Then add on top of that all of the other mentioned problems. --
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In addition it seems like our Slovakian friends may have deleted their version of the Massriot article because it only appears as a red link. --
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This indeed a work in progress, albeit a very important one. A
three-day meeting, attended by what was characterized in the announcement as "a small and select group of experts" (about 40), was held last week at the Fields Institute in Toronto with the goal of making progress towards such a library.
The main question was how mathematical knowledge should be represented in such a library. The main obstacle is that there are already a number of well-tested languages that are arguably suitable for this purpose, but it is not obvious how to fit them all to a common semantic framework.
The importance of this goal, and the significant amount of effort being made towards it, should hopefully counterbalance the absence to date of a single central library. It's an extremely interesting problem, otherwise
Ingrid Daubechies (who is not herself a semantics person) would not be paying it this much attention.
Vaughan Pratt (
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20:54, 8 February 2016 (UTC)reply
Keep for now and review in a couple of months time. This could easily be very notable.
WP:RAPID If no change (significant improvement) in a couple of months then speedy delete then.
Aoziwe (
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12:00, 9 February 2016 (UTC)reply
Keeping in mainspace for a while for some development and then allowing speedy deletion without AFD-type full discussion sounds bad... Or it sounds like a good plan if you want to cause future anger, frustration, conflict, etc. :( --
doncram22:40, 15 February 2016 (UTC)reply
Okay. Still getting back used to wiki protocols after a seven year absence. My main point was that I think it should be given a second chance for a while.
Aoziwe (
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13:00, 16 February 2016 (UTC)reply
Redirect, or delete. Can redirect to a mention in another article on the general problem, probably
Digital curation. I will add mention there. In this article there is no real content, ie there is nothing to merge. The topic of digital curation, or wikipedia's article, seems largely oriented to the problem of librarians staying employed, but also allows for specialist groups of non-librarians to make material useful, which is apparently the goal for this potential project. Focus on the challenge and potential. If a paragraph or stub article is focused on the nonexistent "library" then it is like a movie that is in early development, might not happen, and is TOOSOON for a Wikipedia article. Also, Wikipedia is not a place to post announcements or to provide links to members of a committee, task forces, or club. A person's name should be included in an encyclopedia article only if they are extraordinarily involved in a way that is clearly explained, in general. --
doncram22:40, 15 February 2016 (UTC)reply
Keep I see this article as being about an important open problem at the boundary of mathematics and knowledge engineering. The problem is currently best identified under the name of its desired solution, namely a global digital mathematics library. The workshop held February 3-5 this year at the Fields Institute, now mentioned in the article, gave a good idea of how difficult it will be for stakeholders such as Wolfram Research, Maplesoft, Mathworks, etc. to agree on a common semantic framework for such a library. What justifies having a Wikipedia article about what might seem at first sight like just another digital library is the importance of having a globally accepted semantic representation language for mathematical knowledge. This makes it a bit like one of the
Clay Prize problems but with the answer being a language instead of yes or no.
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News coverage in 2011 went on for a few weeks, my Proquest news search on "David Durham" + police + Oregon turned up 25 articles, all from Oregon papers. They include reports of a false lead and the fact that they found his dog. Also articles about the wounded officer returning to duty, all from the winter/spring of 2011. There was an article on the one year anniversary of the incident.
[21] Repeated the search on google news and got a few more hits, many false, many duplicates,
[22]. also this one sorted by date
[23]. I'm just not seeing that much coverage.
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There is a false impression given that somehow there is a "generic" VSA; saying that "each VSA operates independently" is thus misleading. Much of this article is directory information, and much of the rest is some unencyclopedic talk of flags and politics. As a topic it's not notable because it's not a topic, and it (therefore) does not pass the GNG.
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Keep. Or "speedy keep". This is a serious and good article based appropriately at the common name for these. It is clear about what it is, not misleading, and it includes a list of formal VSAs that are associations of having many chapters each. It is good to have a combo article providing context, history, and reducing need for separate short articles. There do exist associations that are formally related. And if all VSAs really were completely independent (I think not true) it would be worthwhile for an article to state that, about how they differ from student associations like honor societies and Greek partying and living clubs and ethnic/racial affiliated societes that have some loose national government.
Politically it would be not smart for Wikipedia to delete this, wiping out coverage of Vietnamese students, their organizations, their struggles (see mention of controversy at Cal State Fullerton for example). This could be like wiping out coverage of black student groups and civil rights struggles. When Wikipedia has vast coverage of Greek societies. See
Category:Lists of chapters of United States student societies by college and browse up and down in category tree. The nommed article has content; compare to
List of fraternities and sororities at George Mason University which has nothing but links to national Greek societies, many being arguably frivolous relative to issues of Vietnamese-Americans. Maybe this is an East coast vs West coast thing? Huge concentration of Vietnamese and Vietnamese-Americans in Southern California. I could imagine seeing media coverage of Wikipedia blowing this, akin to how media blew up issue of American novelists not including women ones. :(. My view is practical not "P.C.". Don't blow it.
And was the article read? It is not bad. The Nom has an opinion about editing in the lede, and maybe a good one, but that is an issue for talk page not AFD. --
doncram01:36, 16 February 2016 (UTC)reply
Delete as a mixture of
WP:OR,
WP:SYNTH and
WP:NOTDIRECTORY. As the nominator correctly identifies, this article is about a group of associations rather than a single association. The sources cited do not discuss Vietnamese student associations in general, and some of them are not about Vietnamese student associations at all.
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Delete - could not find any significant coverage from third party sources to pass
WP:GNG. Also the cases mentioned do not meet threshold for general notability to be included on Wikipedia. KagunduWanna Chat?07:34, 16 February 2016 (UTC)reply
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Delete (see below): This is just an essay or personal reflection on Scientology. There are some sources, but the article is using them to build towards a synthetic point. —/
Mendaliv/2¢/Δ's/
04:01, 15 February 2016 (UTC)reply
Frustratingly enough, because content has been merged from this article to another, the outcome may need to be merge and redirect in order to preserve attribution. I would also support removing and revdeling the content from the other article so this page can be properly deleted, which I think would have been the right outcome in the first place. —/
Mendaliv/2¢/Δ's/
11:34, 23 February 2016 (UTC)reply
Comment not sure at all that scientology and science are linked at all! This seems to be one of a whole series of articles "Scientology and ..." .
Aoziwe (
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13:53, 15 February 2016 (UTC)reply
Keep as much as it pains me to say, but a NPOV requires me to do so, even if the article itself might not present NPOV, and it does need to be de-essayed, etc. However they do quote and reference SA and SA's Michael Shermer, a well recognised skeptic, so perhaps it is NPOV after all.
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See, the problem is that if text was incorporated into another article, this AfD may have to be closed as merge in order to preserve attribution. I guess it's something for the closing admin to look at and sort out, though. —/
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declined prod. fails WP:GNG. I could not find significant coverage for this including its alternate name "Leicester Short Film Festival". there is one source which says it was the 4th biggest short film festival in the UK but that in itself does not grant inherent notability.
LibStar (
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00:17, 8 February 2016 (UTC)reply
Notable. The sourcing available satisfies GNG and being the fourth largest is certainly an indicator of notability. Alternatively, the page is a plausible redirect to the section of the article
Leicester where the festival is presently mentioned, and has mergeable content. Accordingly deletion would violate ATD, PRESERVE and R. As I removed the PROD, I think it would be completely improper of me not to show up here.
James500 (
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05:01, 8 February 2016 (UTC)reply
Delete Article is seven years old and has not grown. I assume it happens annually, so if notable and interesting it should have a lot more by now, for example films featured by year, festival outcomes / recognitions of presented by year, etc. Merge and redirect as per James500.
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12:23, 9 February 2016 (UTC)reply
WP:IMPATIENT is one of the proverbial 'arguments to avoid'. "Delete" and "merge and redirect" are mutually exclusive outcomes because of
WP:CWW. If we merge the content to the Leicester article, we have to retain the page history in order to comply with the attribution requirements of the creative commons license that we use.
James500 (
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16:48, 9 February 2016 (UTC)reply
Merge and redirect strike my delete above. Not
WP:IMPATIENT - if it was notable then there should be plenty of new secondary references available for every year it was held (and yes a lot more content too)?
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This is a non-notable actress with no significant coverage to be found. She was only in mockbusters made by the Asylum and all sources currently listed here are sources from the Asylum website and IMDb pages.
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Comment: Well... if we can prove notability for the films and show that she played major enough roles, that would be enough to assert notability even if she was only in Asylum films. That said, sourcing Asylum articles can be difficult since they either get a ton of coverage or none. I'll see what I can find.
Tokyogirl79 (。◕‿◕。)08:54, 7 February 2016 (UTC)reply
Weak keep. Here's a rundown of the films:
Hillside Cannibals barely passes NFILM. Roby is one of the first billed on IMDb.
The Exorcism doesn't seem to pass, but she's the central actress and named in the sole review I could find.
Bram Stoker's Dracula's Curse looks like it may pass, but Roby is not one of the top billed performers.
Apocalypse doesn't seem to pass NFILM, Roby is mildly high up on the billing list. (Apocalypse article could redirect to the Asylum article, where it's mentioned.)
The 9/11 Commission Report fails NFILM and Roby's role appears to be very minor. This article was redirected to its director,
Leigh Scott.
Halloween Night barely passes NFILM and her role is fairly high on the billing.
The Hitchhiker looks like it would pass, but Roby's role is fairly low on the billing, suggesting that it is fairly minor.
Invasion of the Pod People passes and I was surprised to find a mention in an academic text. Roby's role is central here.
The basic gist here is that she's been a major star in two Asylum films, with the remaining seven roles being supporting. Of the supporting roles, five of these are either extremely minor (meaning not within the first 5-10 people billed in the film) and/or the movie does not appear to pass notability guidelines. The remaining film, Halloween Night, has her relatively high up enough on the billing to suggest that it'd likely be a role that could contribute notability and the film barely passes NFILM. If this role was the only one I'd use to establish notability this would be a delete on my end, however she's had major roles in two films that received some coverage in RS and while one of the films doesn't pass NFILM, the fact that she received coverage does count towards notability to a certain degree. This isn't a strong keep for me and I won't be particularly upset if it gets deleted. (If deleted, it should redirect to Invasion of the Pod People, which appears to be her best known role.) However there's just enough here for her to weakly pass NACTOR as it currently stands.
Tokyogirl79 (。◕‿◕。)09:59, 7 February 2016 (UTC)reply
I am sure Tokyogirl is is very familiar with the phrase. However
WP:NACTOR invites us to consider whether a subject "Has had significant roles in multiple notable films" and it seems to me that is precisely what Tokyogirl has been doing with great care. If you have an alternative careful analysis, please present it.
Thincat (
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21:26, 7 February 2016 (UTC)reply
Keep As per
WP:ARTIST notability guideline, an artist may be notable if the person has created or played a major role in co-creating a significant or well-known work or collective body of work. As documented by the current version of the article, Erica has played a major role in co-creating Celebrity Rehab with Dr. Drew, Denise Richards: It's Complicated and the thirteenth season of The Amazing Race (associate producer). Further, Erica has produced
Shipwreck Men and
Hell's Kitchen too.
[24] All of these works are creditably notable. Additionally, as per
WP:ENTERTAINER notability guideline, an artist may be notable if the person has had significant roles in multiple notable films, television shows, stage performances, or other productions. As documented by the current version of the article, Erica has played significant lead roles in Exorcism: The Possession of Gail Bowers and Invasion of the Pod People. Both these works are also notable, being featured on Wikipedia. These are person-specific notability guidelines and do not require GNG to be immediately obtained for the person to be deemed possibly notable. Erica Roby easily passes both the guidelines mentioned by me. Thanks.
Xender Lourdes (
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04:24, 15 February 2016 (UTC)reply
Delete two leading roles and a variety of bit parts really isn't a significant body of work as I understand it. This person is a minor figure.
Philafrenzy (
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18:04, 23 February 2016 (UTC)reply
Hello
Philafrenzy. You mention a significant body of work as being required for notability. But
WP:ARTIST does not mention a significant body of work for possible notability.
WP:ARTIST's exact words are, an artist may be notable if the person has created or played a major role in co-creating a significant or well-known work... That guideline seems to be referring to even one single work rather than a body of work as you are referring to. Erica has contributed two leading roles and not just a single one. Also, maybe you missed it, Erica has co-created Celebrity Rehab with Dr. Drew, Denise Richards: It's Complicated and the thirteenth season of The Amazing Race (associate producer); and has produced
Shipwreck Men and
Hell's Kitchen too. This is simply much more than the single a significant work requirement of the notability guideline. This again seems to be passing on the artist notability guideline. Am I wrong in assuming so? Do please help in clarifying.
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Was speedied and proded due to probable COI creator. In reviewing the sources and Google News, subject does not seem to pass GNG or PORNBIO. Buzzfeed and Daily Sport are not RS. The Guardian is reliable but features a primary excerpt from the subject. Which leaves only AVN and one source is not sufficient to satisfy the GNG.
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The result was delete. Blatant self promotion. Non-notable photographer who was in the news recently for telling others to commit suicide/self promoting his vehicles. No credibly noted; no independent/non-promotional sources.seicer |
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Apparent autobiographical advertisement page created and edited by subject (new user,
only contributions are creating and editing this article). Appears to not be notable; references consist mainly of being listed in several "socially influential photographers" lists, blogs and a self-published biography.
Subject of article appears to not have received significant coverage in reliable sources independent of subject; the article appears to have been created as a promotional tool by the subject. Article is supported mainly by self-published sources (not recommended per BLP guidelines).
Delete; Appears to be more self-promotional than anything else. I can't find much information about the subject aside from Facebook page, and main website, not much else.
Windmillxt6 (
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09:48, 22 February 2016 (UTC)reply
Delete; This article is a self-promoting advertisement. I could also write an autobiographical article about my photography and the multiple awards I've won, but it never crossed my mind because I don't have a business to promote. — Preceding
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This person has not made any notable contributions above and beyond the THOUSANDS of other photographers floating around. Please consider deleting this entry. — Preceding
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this guy is a huge chode. Delete- not a good artist and not a good person.
This is clearly a page he created for self promotion.
Delete Artist has created this page as a way to promote himself and shame others on the internet.
DELETE. Suggests suicide to all who disagree with him. Please see the following link:
http://imgur.com/x1LRoxT.
DELETE- Suggests suicide to any who disagree with him, treats others with zero respect, and created this purely for self promotion. Uses it and links it frequently on his pages, as well as using it to rub in others faces as to how "important" he is just because he has his own Wiki page. [kstpeter29]
Delete This appears to be an obvious violation of
WP:COI since the page appears to have been created by Jake Olson himself. Additionally, this does not fit the requirements established by
WP:NOTE, specifically in regards to
WP:NTEMP and
WP:SPIP.
Xe7al (
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01:12, 23 February 2016 (UTC)reply
While the author of this page could have been Jake Olson himself or someone hired to write it, it's important to point out the recent outrage wave towards Olson. Deleting this page can be an small victory fort people who are aware of Olson behavior but for potential clients and collaborators is imperative that they know the kind of person Olson is, while "contributions of the world of art" are a great PR strategy this can never hide the real human being behind his despicable attitude --
Horrasias (
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09:36, 23 February 2016 (UTC)reply
Don't worry, whether the article is deleted or not will depend solely upon how well the article meets the requirements of Wikipedia's guidelines, especially those guidelines addressed in this discussion. --|Uncle Milty |
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Delete if we can all create pages about ourselves, i'd like one! as a budding photographer (who treats people better than this guy (i don't even know who he is, so he's clearly not as famous as he thinks)) i'd like a page about myself!! so can i create one? haha! how long before this does get decided for deletion, or not?
TQfan (
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20:43, 23 February 2016 (UTC)reply
Delete -- page driven by Facebook controversy and sole Forbes listing (which is questionable given their platforming); seems self-promotional and self-referential.
Icarus of old (
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22:49, 23 February 2016 (UTC)reply
Delete -- Forbes and Huffington Post articles cited are written by the CEO of Raynforest, a Marketing company who compensate industry "influencers" to review and promote relevant products online.
Neildorgan (
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00:39, 24 February 2016 (UTC)reply
Delete -- The article is not enlightening about the subject. The subject does not appear to be a notable person, as per the rules for
WP:Bio. As per the article history, the article was created on January 16, 2016 by
User: A Wiki Account For Me, the
User talk:A Wiki Account For Me page which begins with "Hello, Jake, please have fun editing your own insignificant Wikipedia page. We hope you feel very special by doing so.". I think it's safe to say that the creator of the page is none other than the subject of the "biography". And as we all know, it's generally frowned-upon to write one's own biography on wikipedia.
MarchHare (
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04:17, 24 February 2016 (UTC)reply
Delete ****** or charge this person for advertising, it is 100% self promotion. I never had heard of this person until I read the rant he made about how great he is. Delete this bozo. — Preceding
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Strong keep: Discussed in numerous independent reliable sources. In addition to the Christian Post article discussing the website at length, there are several other significant mentions.
CBN broadcasted
a piece about website, and the site has gotten some significant coverage of it's Freshmen compilations, these CCM Magazine and
Wade-O Radio stories about the Freshmen 2015, for example. There also is some discussion of the site in reviews of it's King Kulture albums (see
this and
this for just two examples), and also
some discussion of the accompanying school building project in Africa that the album sales support. In addition to that coverage, the site has partnered in events with several significant organizations, including
Chris Chicago's radio show and the
GMA Dove Awards. Lastly, I found two brief mentions in book sources (
here and
here).--
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Comment Many of these Unix commands are all borderline
WP:NOTMANUAL violations. I think it would be better to transwiki them en masse to Wikibooks in one complete book, than to delete them one-by-one. This should probably be discussed at
Wikipedia:WikiProject Computing first, though. —Ruud09:31, 22 February 2016 (UTC)reply
I'm not sure what the answer is but I don't beleive that dealing with this one article at a time is the roght approach. These two templates give you an idea of the current scope of coverage of individual commands and utilities. See also
List of DOS commands. ~
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Comment I generally agree with Kvng that we should find a general solution for this kind of article. But some commands are more notable, such as those that have become associated with a wider arena, for example,
uucp lead to UUCPNET. Similarly, some not-so-obvious UNIX commands have proved useful enough that they have been imitated on many other operating systems. I think these better-known commands deserve an article.
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@
Jc3s5h: I don't think anyone would want to delete the article on UUCP for exactly the reason you give. But we wouldn't want separate entries for uucp, uux and uucico.
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Non-notable web company. Sources are a blog, a primary source interview, press releases, the company website (and even that fails to support the statement where cited). Searches found nothing better, nothing that even begins to meet
WP:CORP.
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Delete: A
WP:SPA article loaded into mainspace after being rejected 4 times at AfC. As per the advice from the AfC reviewers, "This submission's references do not adequately show the subject's notability", nor can better be located. Fails
WP:CORPDEPTH,
WP:GNG.
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Citations provided here either lack independence (www.alancross.ca/about-me/ et al.), reliability (BlogTO), or come from sources without at least regional circulation (the Toronto Star, Post City). The article on this person requires evidence of non-trivial coverage in multiple independent reliable sources with a broader readership base than city newspapers in order to be retained. Right now it doesn't have it, and my own search for such sources turned up nothing that looked like it would qualify— being a radio broadcaster and having a website are not evidence of notability (though sorry,
Bearcat). KDS4444Talk00:18, 22 February 2016 (UTC)reply
Keep: the Toronto Star typically has the highest circulation of any Canadian newspaper, so while it's got "Toronto" in the name, I believe it's a strong source. The article's current sourcing isn't great, but there are three solid articles about Cross in the Toronto Star:
here,
here, and
here. There are also articles from
the National Post, the
Financial Post, and
the Toronto Sun (the latter is admittedly a tabloid, but still offers some coverage). While some of these articles deal with the same topic (his relationship with Edge 102.1), I think there's enough varied discussion here to show
WP:BIO notability. Thanks,
/wiae/tlk01:11, 22 February 2016 (UTC)reply
Keep. A sourced article about the host of multiple nationally syndicated shows. Here's another source from the Toronto Star[25] and other sources are apparent in searches. I don't think deletion of this sort of content improves Wikipedia's encyclopedic coverage of Canadian radio. --
Arxiloxos (
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01:19, 22 February 2016 (UTC)reply
The key notability claim here isn't the fact that he's been a local radio host in regular drive time — it's the facts that (a) his longrunning radio documentary program The Ongoing History of New Music has been nationally syndicated on radio stations extending all the way across Canada, and (b) the guy's written and published several books. The only reason the sourcing is inadequate here is that the article was created in 2005, a time when our sourcing requirements were a lot looser than they are now, and just didn't get improved as quickly as our RS standards evolved — the rule really once was that no sources at all had to be cited in the article, as long as the facts were verifiable if someone went looking for verification on their own time and dime. (I agree that sounds, and was, absolutely idiotic given all we've learned since then about how determined some people are to fill Wikipedia with PR bullshit and hoaxes and attack edits — but it is the way the rules were at one time, so we have to at least try to determine if an article created that long ago is salvageable before we run it out the door for not already being fully compliant with current standards.) At any rate, he gets over 200 hits on
ProQuest, which means the sourcing does exist to get this back up to snuff. They won't all be useful or substantive sources, I admit, but even if just five or six of them are actually viable that would still be enough to satisfy GNG — and more than five or six of them will be viable, because even when I add "ongoing history of new music" to the search string to filter it further I still get 65 hits which nationalize to Ottawa and Calgary and Edmonton and Vancouver and Winnipeg and Halifax and St. John's and Victoria. Keep.
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