I have no strong opinions either way. The one time I saw that "secured site" message was from my office PC (gasp!) which suggests there might be something different going on with it which only my office PC's version of IE detected. If I were forced to cast a vote, I would probably vote Yes, just on the principle that the one guy who's so adamant against it also promotes his own pet spam site about Black Sox baseball cards. Baseball Bugs 08:47, June 7, 2007 (UTC)
I now see that User talk:Tecmobowl has decided to stop editing for awhile, facing at least two 3RR threats, probably over this same issue. I'll take a further look at Fangraph when I get the chance. Baseball Bugs 09:02, June 7, 2007 (UTC)
You're right. It's ironic he was taken down over an argument over a minor leaguer. And the "speculation" complaint was a mis-read. The article didn't say such-and-such was going to happen, it said so-and-so announced it was going to happen, which is factual (if somewhat trivial). I can only assume the user was going through some of what I was going through about a month ago when I came close to throwing in the towel. I came back with a somewhat better attitude. One key is not to be watching too many pages, as it can drive you crazy. I was watching over 2,000. Now I'm watching a hundred or so. I hadn't expected to run into trouble so quickly, but after too many arguments with that guy I mostly backed off and let the others do battle with him, figuring he would eventually go over the line and pay for it. Baseball Bugs 09:36, June 7, 2007 (UTC)
Yes. Consecutive rather than concurrent terms. I posted an article [1] on User talk:Tecmobowl that someone had posted on my old page User talk:Wahkeenah when I said "I quit" in exasperation in mid-May. It's a bit painful to read, but it's worthwhile. Too many pages watched... getting too close to it... losing self-control... and especially the part about the middle of the night (and probably the wrong end of it, i.e. not waking early like I did today, but being up too late). Baseball Bugs 10:02, June 7, 2007 (UTC)
If you would like to discuss the merits of FG for inclussion, please do so here. // Tecmobowl 16:56, June 10, 2007 (UTC)
Hi. It seems that you and Tecmobowl are currently engaged in a dispute. I am sure that you want to resolve this amicably, so can I please suggest that you review Wikipedia:Resolving disputes and have a go at following the process described. Leave me a note if I can be of further assistance, but hopefully you can sort it out yourselves. I have left exactly the same note for Tecmobowl. Cheers TigerShark 17:34, June 10, 2007 (UTC)
I hope to avoid having to come to your talk page any more but this is just wearing on me. If you want to continue this discussion, I will watch this page and we can do so. However, I am very hesitant to communicate with you beyond this because of recent activities.
First, you might want to spend some time at WP:TPG. It will give you a great deal of information on how to handle long discussions, when to break up comments and when not to, and how to handle your own talk page.
Second, the existing conversations regarding the varioius EL sites are there and available to anyone who wants to read them. This discussion is an attempt to remove all of the fluff and personal attacks and bad blood floating around the other discussion. Furthermore, the other discussion is exteremly difficult to follow for several reasons. Per TPG, please leave it alone.
Third, as an extension of the fangraphs/url inclusion argument, there are a number of things that have been "left" out of the conversation. Because it has been so hard to get peoples opinion on the content relevant to wiki guidelines, I have been unable to see a useful discussion. I believe that I mispoke when i said "There is a consensus on ...". I was speaking specifically to the group of people engaged in the discussion and NOT toward the concept as described at WP:CON. Please spend some time reviewing WP:CON. It will be very helpful.
Lastly, there are a number of things that will have to be considered regarding all the sites being discussed. In fact, a number of the 'questions' that must be answered are simple Yes/No questions. They include, but are not limited to: a) Does said site include any unique information? b) If there is any unique information, is it significant enough to necessitate its' inclusion in the EL section? c) Would said site's unique information be useful to the laymen? d) If the purposed site also contains a significant amount of information already contained in a site that is already accepted, should the new site simply replace the old site? Again, there are a number of other questions to be asked, but that should give you an idea. All of this is geared toward figuring out whether or not a site meets the criteria laid out in WP:EL.
Let's just keep the discussions focused on the topics at hand.// Tecmobowl 10:07, June 15, 2007 (UTC)
That's all there is to it. You and the other editors that have a problem with me (and you know who i'm talking about) – absolutely refuse to focus on the content of the discussion in a simple and focused matter. FG is fine for referencing, but it is not going in the EL section when B-R, ESPN, MLB, & The BaseballCube all do a better job of adhering to the EL standards. You can stop warning me. // Tecmobowl 17:45, June 27, 2007 (UTC)
I have to say that I am not inclined to agree with you that any consensus was reached on those discussions. That really was not a well conducted conversation and most of the people involved acted very poorly and as others pointed out, the straw poll was faulty. I do not agree that a consensus was reached, nor do I think those discussions should supersede WP:EL if they do not address the circumstances. I am also not sure why you simply reverted the entire edit as the two biography sites can, and should be, used as references. I think you are very close to this topic and it might be best if you took some time off and let others get involved. I think it reflects poorly on you when you continually harp on someone that is not here anymore and you should leave their name out of the edit summaries. People will be more inclined to engage you if you keep to the content being discussed. Long Levi 00:33, July 12, 2007 (UTC)
It seems you are upset, but please don't undo perfectly good edits. You tagged two Negro League teams for CSD and restored an older version of the Sockalexis article which was obviously weaker than the newer version. 75.203.180.191 08:28, July 19, 2007 (UTC)
Because the previous version of the article was more complete and informative. It was only whacked when some other user decided to make separate articles for Merkle and for the play. Since that decision was reversed, it seemed best to restore what he knocked out – especially, since as I said, the older version is more informatie and more complete. So that is why.
Not anything I'd care to battle over, though, so if you really like the other version better, then very well. I put it back. Mwelch 04:23, July 23, 2007 (UTC)
It looks like fansites aren't specifically mentioned at WP:EL anymore, but I really don't see how they are more than just specialized personal web pages. Farm Aid is already linked to from his page, and people can find their link from there. If it has to be there, I'd prefer to use the link as a reference about his being a director and remove it from the external links. The file sharing site...I guess that one's fine since they are one of the few bands that don't mind people recording at their shows. I suppose I don't have a problem with the tabs or almanac links either. -- Onorem♠ Dil 21:11, July 25, 2007 (UTC)
Was reading up on an old post of yours here. [4] Could you tell me the original account of Tecmobowl? He's still at it. Durova Charge! 15:14, September 8, 2007 (UTC)
The Chipper Jones article received heavy editing today by new/unregistered users, which I noticed at WikiRage.com. The article may benefit from a good review. According to Wikipedia Page History Statistics, you are one of the top contributors to that page. If you have the time, would you please read over the article and make any necessary changes. Thanks. – Jreferee ( Talk) 08:13, September 16, 2007 (UTC)
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Thank you for your contributions to Manzanar, which is now an FA. I know we had our differences on the terminology thing, but we were able to reach a compromise that, while not ideal from my point of view, works. Nice work! FYI: if you're not familiar with the half barnstar, check out WP:BS for the explanation. – Gmatsuda 22:27, September 17, 2007 (UTC) |
Congratulations on the Good Article status! I noticed you adding the article at WikiProject Wisconsin. I'm glad to see that one of my images is attached to a Good Article! Keep up the great work! Royalbroil 13:34, December 25, 2007 (UTC)
Can you please check this page, the number of World Titles he won was changed last year and the references seem to dispute how many, as you're the person who created the page I assume you're the best person to ask. -- Jpeeling ( talk) 09:32, April 7, 2008 (UTC)
Hi. Thanks. There seem to be divergent references. I've not time at the moment to determine which seems the soundest. If I get a chance ...(or feel free to yourself). Tx.-- Epeefleche ( talk) 03:44, June 16, 2008 (UTC)
Please note that to create talk archives, you should use a forward slash "/", so as to create a subpage. I've fixed this with your user talk archive (hope you don't mind): recently a lot of these pages have been deleted. Regards, -- RFBailey ( talk) 22:54, May 3, 2008 (UTC)
Any chance you could do the same for the other medalists? I tried to add a section on 2008, but they need to have their sections updated with 04 stuff as well if you can (or indeed expand the article in other directions). SirFozzie ( talk) 01:42, August 10, 2008 (UTC)
Stop reverting my edits on Ryan Braun. Most of those awards in his infobox are not notable, a nickname goes after the birthdate, his bbcube page, which doesn't even link to the correct Ryan Braun, is http://www.thebaseballcube.com/players/B/Ryan-Braun-1.shtml his name is capitalized. He doesn't steal a lot of bases or score any more runs than average, and his infobox should be like every other MLB player's the stats are updated through the 2008 season not Oct. 1 and it should have his birthplace in it. If you revert them again I am reporting you. Jackal4 ( talk) 20:20, November 17, 2008 (UTC)
I disagree with you as to notability, and agree with the others – including those who gave this an A rating when it had those attributes. If you like, leave it as it has been and demonstrate support for your position, or bring in others to arbitrate this. Stop reverting us. Your views are your personal subjective views, and not in accord with the rest of us.-- Epeefleche ( talk) 20:24, November 17, 2008 (UTC)
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I see you've posted this at WP:ANI, which is a good course of action. However, please refrain from the accusations of vandalism, because good-faith edits are not considered vandalism no matter how much you disagree with it. Continuing to do so is uncivil and bordering on a personal attack. Jauerback dude?/ dude. 14:54, January 23, 2009 (UTC)
-- Epeefleche ( talk) 23:19, January 23, 2009 (UTC)
When I indicated that Jackal4 had used profanity, and deleted others' communications on others' talk pages, Jackal4 deleted my comment, falsely writing in his edit summary "(removed false accusations)." See. [10] In fact, as detailed above, the accusations were correct.
I responded by asking "... how can you delete my comment that you used profanity on the basis that it is a false accusation? What you deleted details its veracity."
Jackal4 engaged in further duplicitiousness when he, in further discussion of this issue, wrote "(cur) (prev) 22:38, January 23, 2009 Jackal4 (Talk | contribs) (11,197 bytes) (Undid revision 266041160 by Epeefleche (talk) I didn't say what you said that was false)"
But in fact, Jackal4 clearly did just that. His edit summary, which you inserted to explain his deletion of my true statements, says precisely that. He was untruthful, again, which is against Wiki rules. See [WP:HONESTY]. -- Epeefleche ( talk) 05:18, January 24, 2009 (UTC)
Hello, I just wanted to introduce myself and let you know I am glad to be reviewing the article
Ian Kinsler you nominated for
GA-status according to the
criteria.
This process may take up to 10 days. Feel free to contact me with any questions or comments you might have during this period.
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Phils) 22:09, May 28, 2009 (UTC)
Tx!--
Epeefleche (
talk) 09:09, May 29, 2009 (UTC)
Hello, just wanted to notify you that I've started listing items for review and improvement at the Ian Kinsler GA review page. Thanks. KV5 ( Talk • Phils) 11:56, June 2, 2009 (UTC)
Hi Epeefleche. I just want to let you know some of the protocol surrounding WP:FAC. When you want to nominate an article, don't forget to transclude the nomination at WP:FAC so that reviewers will be able to find it. Please note that the rules as stated on the FAC page currently permit only one article nomination per nominator; this is to ensure that a) the nominator has time to resolve any issues that may come up, and b) reviewers aren't overloaded with articles by the same person, which may contain similar issues. I've removed the FAC for Ryan Braun, as another one had already been entered at the FAC nomination page. Welcome to FAC, and if you have questions, feel free to ask on my talk page or at the FAC talk page. Karanacs ( talk) 15:52, May 29, 2009 (UTC)
Thanks for the info. I did not know about this. -- Kbob ( talk) 01:17, June 4, 2009 (UTC)
I haven't had a chance to get on Wiki the last week or two, so I just got your message... I checked the nominations page but it looks as if the discussion has passed. I was just wondering how it went, sorry I couldn't give my two cents. At the very least his article is very close to being FA-worthy. Miles Blues ( talk · contribs) 07:54, June 8, 2009 (UTC)
Hi there. I'm an admin who monitors Categories for discussion. I'm Jewish, and I have frequently sparred with Otto, whom I often find abrasive. I'm going to say this so that it is crystal clear: stop suggesting Otto is an anti-Semite. Instead of swaying people on the merit of your argument, you're ginning up people against Otto's nominations based on spurious and ugly intimations that he dislikes Jews. This is a group discussion, not a flame war. He has every right to attempt to get you banned, and I will support him if this continues. Am I clear?-- Mike Selinker ( talk) 15:18, June 16, 2009 (UTC)
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I have added my input at the Italian-american poly deletion over there. Thanks for the warning. Wm.C ( talk) 03:04, July 10, 2009 (UTC)
Hey. The Good article nom on him is now on hold – I'll give you a week to fix all the issues, hopefully that'll be taken care of. Wizardman 01:40, July 27, 2009 (UTC)
I have declined your block request at WP:AIV for 98.15.150.182 ( talk · contribs). If you wish to continue the discussion, please use my talk page. Thanks, — Kralizec! ( talk) 23:00, July 30, 2009 (UTC)
Hi, Epeefleche.
I missed all the fun, huh? Oh well.
I perused the discussion, because this issue of supposed overcatting/multiple intersections is an important one. Judging by that discussion and its outcome, there seems to be no consensus on the matter. I'm a bit confused. SamEV ( talk) 01:36, August 7, 2009 (UTC)
On the surface, the article looks fine. If I can find time I'll give the full GA review. Wizardman 16:05, August 24, 2009 (UTC)
I've now passed the article, great work.-- Giants27 ( c| s) 19:36, September 7, 2009 (UTC)
I deleted them because some of them were out of date, but if you want to update them for next week you can go ahead add them back. I like your suggestion for "ranking as of..." although maybe we could wait until the new rankings are out next Monday, since they will be the rankings the players will have when the ties are played? Morhange ( talk) 20:29, September 8, 2009 (UTC)
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Talk) 15:25, September 20, 2009 (UTC)Epeefleche ( block log • active blocks • global blocks • contribs • deleted contribs • filter log • creation log • change block settings • unblock • checkuser ( log))
Request reason:
I am falsely accused of sockpuppetry, because a user named “Holtzman” voted on an AFD that I voted on. “Holtzman” is not me. This was apparently confirmed by the checkuser, which indicated we were not related. I do not know them, and have not had contact with them. Indeed, their name and use suggests a clumsy user, commenting on an article (Scott Holtzman) by the same name as the name they chose as a username (which by itself should independently raise possible COI issues), who for all I know ended up at my page because – as pointed out – they previously edited a page I edited. They would not be the first editor to follow me, and edit what I edit – in fact two users in the instant AFD debate have done precisely the same thing. Even their edits did not add to to the discussion; if this were a vote that would be one thing, but we all know that an AFD is not a vote, but based on thinking advanced, and that user advanced no new thinking. I in contrast have never been blocked for disruptive editing (until this), am a constructive user with years and over 20,000 constructive edits under my belt, a few barnstars, and a few GAs. While I have at times used alternative accounts so that I could have watchlists specific to certain areas (for example, one on “dates” to make date revisions, one on the “VMAs” for music related edits, etc. – sort of a file system for type of edit), and while my computer has been shared with roommates, and at times I have edited from their log-in (my sister EthelH up till a number of weeks ago when she left for Iraq; replaced by my new roomate Applegigs – but neither of them used the name Holtzman), I have not used any alternative account for fraudulent, disruptive, or otherwise deceptive purposes that violate or circumvent the enforcement of Wikipedia policies. Indeed, I’ve also taken care not to comment on any votes involving either roomate. None of my accounts other than VMAsNYC commented on the AFD at issue. The only indicated party that did do so is Holtzman, and he/she is not connected to me. I believe a look at my record will show me to have been a constructive editor without any blocks for disruption, and further that it will demonstrate that I am not related to the Holtzman editor other than through the fact that we have a revised page in common and votes on an AFD in common. I worked on the Scott Holtzman article because I read his book, which was a bestseller (so presumably I’m not the only one), and thought it great. Just as with others of the thousands of articles I’ve edited, it is not because I am Holtzman (as your checkuser will show), or the band, or the baseball player, or the politician, or the tennis player, or the criminal … I’ve just had reason to read about them, and have interest in them. Thank you for your time.
Decline reason:
Perhaps you missed the bit where the checkuser confirmed you were operating nine other accounts that weren't initially brought up at the SPI. Would you care to comment on those, since those are the accounts that led to your block? Hersfold ( t/ a/ c) 03:25, September 22, 2009 (UTC)
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Only one account that I am connected to in any way (in the sense of emanating from my computer) weighed in on that AfD – Applegigs. I understand that it would have been incorrect for me to weigh in on the AfD with more than one account, and for that reason and to avoid any question I did not then in addition weigh in from any of my accounts. Had I realized that someone would think that edits to the article would be the same as weighing in on an AfD I would not have done that either. (I would note that a number of editors, including ones seeking its deletion, made edits to that article along the way, so I'm not sure that edits by themselves neccessarily are tantamount to a vote against an AfD). I would be happy to just edit out of my main account from now on if that is suggested, to avoid any confusion. As I said, I believe I have a stainless track record, and I'm happy to proceed as told.-- Epeefleche ( talk) 04:12, September 22, 2009 (UTC)
As to The Shells, I simply started thinking about the VMAs/trios/the Shells while under my main user name, and then subsequently when I realized that it would likely spawn an independent music watchlist that I would want to segregate in its own right I created a VMAs name for the bulk of those edits (much as I had a 10isfan name for a tennis-specific list, another name relating to numbers for when I wanted to bring edits into conformity w/the wiki guidance on dates, etc.). I didn't try to hide anything – just the opposite; I went directly to the same editor (Mazca) under my new music-specific name when I had issues re starting the article, having contacted him just days before under my main name re the same article. My focus on Holtzman and the AfD are because those were the touchstones given in the block decision, which I was directed to read and respond to. And yes, I thought that (and perhaps this used to be the case) that was fine, as long as I was not involved in double voting, etc., and I was very careful never to do that. As pointed out by the checkuser, many of my accounts had no crossover whatsover. They were just my file system, spawning issue-specific watchlists. I see now (is this new? I don't recall reading it, but my reading was some time ago) that where that is the only reason, I should declare the other accounts. I didn't recall that, wasn't on top of that, and didn't do it. Am happy to now. I didn't in any way mean to influence any vote or consensus by edits of different accounts, or in any other way use multiple accounts "for fraudulent, disruptive, or otherwise deceptive purposes that violate or circumvent the enforcement of Wikipedia policies", and I'm happy to make sure that doesn't happen again by either (whichever is preferred) never using additional accounts for such purposes, or only using them for such purposes if I make mention on my home page (which I only now see is preferred). As I said, I have over 20,000 constructive edits and some GAs and barnstars without a block for disruptive editing, and I have no interest in flouting the rules of the very encylopedia I worked so hard to improve.-- Epeefleche ( talk) 04:39, September 22, 2009 (UTC)
No SmackBot is not converting any dates to pseudo-ISO. Although I agree with their limited use on the "accessed" field – partly since it is meta-data that should maybe be hidden altogether. Now you say there is consensus to convert pseudo-ISO into full dates, can you point me to the discussion? I saw a sniff of it over at Mosnom and might tie it into the unlinking of pseudo-ISO dates I've been doing. Rich Farmbrough, 11:19, September 27, 2009 (UTC).
Following up on your side comment at Rich Farmbrough's talk page, I think a date format like 9/28/09 is a really poor choice for baseball, since it's records go back so far. Perhaps the decision was made by some of those Überfans who recognizes the name of every single player who could possibly be worthy of mention, and so could disambiguate the date based on who is being written about. -- Jc3s5h ( talk) 18:15, September 28, 2009 (UTC)
Hey! I'll just cut straight to it, block quotes are discouraged in this instance, it makes things trivial. The way it should be done is publishing their opinion in our words, backed up by an in-line quote – so we can maintain prose. Take this recent simple section for example. It's by no means perfect, but it gets the point across, provides quotes with citations and is written coherently. The problem with the review in question is that it is very brief, it barely provides an opinion, so you're going to have to suckle something out of it. Just give it a go, more info the better, I've watched the page so I can come around and help out later on. Cheers. k.i.a.c ( talktome – contribs) 10:07, September 30, 2009 (UTC)
I think your argument gives undue weight to very recent events, and in any case, the doo wop band is indisputably notable, whereas the new band's notability continues to be questioned by other editors. The only real question I'd have here is whether The Shells should be its own disambig page or just head back to Shell; on that issue, either is fine with me. Chubbles ( talk) 19:34, October 2, 2009 (UTC)
Category:The Shells albums, which you created, has been nominated for deletion, merging, or renaming. If you would like to participate in the discussion, you are invited to add your comments at the category's entry on the Categories for discussion page. Thank you. rʨanaɢ talk/ contribs 14:48, October 3, 2009 (UTC)
How do you do that script assisted date thingy? – Peregrine Fisher ( talk) ( contribs) 15:11, October 10, 2009 (UTC)
Could you explain why you changed all of the dates on Chase Utley? The article used a consistent format and there was no reason that I can see to alter the format. KV5 ( Talk • Phils) 16:24, October 11, 2009 (UTC)
The edits to the Daniel Glass edits were mostly to remove POV and essentially useless information (such as Glass' family winning a NN "family of the year" award) that was added to the article by multiple users with the same name as (and thus probable ties to) Glass' record label. Doc Strange Mailbox Logbook 05:25, October 13, 2009 (UTC)
Because the album release has passed and there has been no further significant coverage, I have re-nominated the article for deletion: Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/The Shells (folk band) (2nd nomination). rʨanaɢ talk/ contribs 17:12, October 13, 2009 (UTC)
It's not stated explicitly that it shouldn't be in there, but I think it's generally accepted that it's not because it isn't mentioned in the guideline. All Hallow's ( talk) 01:07, October 16, 2009 (UTC)
Answering Rjanag's question at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/The Shells (folk band) (2nd nomination), but moving it here to give that page a rest (since Rjanag apparently does not agree with my suggestion that we focus on WP:BAND and WP:DELETE issues at the Afd), Rjanag twice protested the close of the first AfD to the closing admin (without success) as follows:
First: On September 28, 2009, at 00:21 (UTC) Rjanag wrote to the closing admin: "I'm a little surprised at your closing this as keep, since almost all the keep votes (when you discount the one made by a blocked sockpuppeteer) were, as far as a remember, a recourse to a non-notable award they were nominated for and didn't win (and the article on that award has since been blanked and redirected), and did not get featured on television or anywhere on the MTV video music awards website...."
The admin responded: "I didn't see either argument on either side come up on top as I stated in the AFD closure (hence the "no consensus" close). I did read through it, and I don't think it would have made much a difference with the sock !vote in there or not, as the registered users on the "keep" side made their point clear."
Second: On September 28, 2009 at 00:25 (UTC) Rjanag wrote: "... not meaning to criticize your judgment or anything, I just don't agree in this case."
The admin responded: "No problem. We saw two different things." [15] -- Epeefleche ( talk) 08:57, October 16, 2009 (UTC)
It appears to me that the fix was in and you can cry “foul” now. One first stop would be to check the rules of AfDs. I’m rather skeptical that it is standard practice for AfDs to run for only one week. On RfCs (Request for Comments), two weeks is normally the standard. So to cut off voting and declare an outcome on a vote while it is still active smacks of calling the game early because one side has a two-vote advantage and the fix is in. Moreover, on Wikipedia, a 13/11 split would never be considered to be a consensus to do something. It’s also important to note that a “consensus” on Wikipedia is as much the weight and logic of the arguments as it is simple vote counts. Any rational reading of the arguments would not lead a rational person to conclude that the ‘delete’ proponents “discredited” the arguments of the other side. That is just so much garbage. Any band that had been mentioned in Seventeen magazine and had been a top-three finalist in an MTV contest is clearly notable.
So… What happened? You did, after all, go up against an admin and these people are quite socially active. This isn’t at all unusual. You might consider going to Wikipedia:Bureaucrats' noticeboard if this injustice bothers you. I’m sure they will direct you to go to a more appropriate venue to “formally” do something, but I’d start there given how flagrant this appears to me. I personally think it might be time to de-Sysop some admins here. Greg L ( talk) 16:22, October 20, 2009 (UTC)
Hi Epeefleche. I wondered if I could ask you a favour. I've been doing some work with Relendog on the " Mr. Tambourine Man" article, which is also currently undergoing GA review. I didn't have as much to do with the actual prose as I did on the Sweetheart of the Rodeo article but I wondered if you wouldn't mind having a look at it and working your copyediting magic on this article as well? No worries if you don't want to though. -- Kohoutek1138 ( talk) 15:41, October 28, 2009 (UTC)
Yeah, that's also fine. It doesn't matter too much to me how it's said as long as it's a) factually accurate and b) meets copyediting requirements. -- Kohoutek1138 ( talk) 12:38, October 31, 2009 (UTC)
I noticed on wp:cfd that you created a category with "Palestine" in it. Please notice that there is no country called Palestine and the closest thing we use on Wikipedia, if you absolutely have to, is "Palestinian territories". Debresser ( talk) 21:31, November 3, 2009 (UTC)
I see Dabomb put you onto a script which converts to dmy or mdy. Does it work well? From what I see, it converts only those which are parameters within citation templates. Is that the case? Ohconfucius ¡digame! 18:14, November 6, 2009 (UTC)
importScript('User:Lightmouse/monobook.js/script.js');
Hi, concerning baseball notability, is there something I'm missing? WP:WPBB/N seems pretty clear in allowing MiLB players (to a reasonable extent) but Muboshgu says there is a "consensus" among WP:BASEBALL about MiLB players saying they're not notable unless they're prospects. I haven't gotten a reply after a request for some conversations between members, or something in writing confirming the consensus. I wanted to ask you (because you seem knowledgeable) if you knew of anything. Thanks. -- Brian Halvorsen ( talk) 03:34, November 9, 2009 (UTC)
Well really, according to WP:ATH all minor league baseballers are notable (due to their professional nature), but WP:WPBB/N provides a better guideline to what articles should be created as the minor league system is so large if all player articles were created, many would be of a trivial nature. The user Muboshgu is incorrect, not all, but many minor league players are notable. I hope this helps. JRA_ Westy Qld2 Talk 08:08, November 9, 2009 (UTC)
I apologize if my comment seems antagonistic, that wasn't my intention. I was just trying to clean up and didn't realize your plans to begin pages for those redlinks. Supertouch ( talk) 17:44, November 15, 2009 (UTC)
Good work, thanks! – Gabi S. ( talk) 14:55, November 19, 2009 (UTC)
I found this link to a religious, " Salafi" response to Awlaqi: The Salafee response to Anwar Al-Awlakee. While personally, it does not seem to be the best reference for Wikipedia, and may enter into a discussion of POV -it may actually improve the page to have "Islamic" commentary in light of the POV discussion – I thought the first page was interesting in in tying him to the Muslim Brotherhood, controversial, at best, Islamic organization. The rest of the article – I skimmed it very quickly, seems to an Islamic refutation of suicide bombings and not particularly relevant to the Awlaqi page. Since you seem to be "running" things at that page (most edits) I thought I would put the ball in your court. Supertouch ( talk) 11:56, November 21, 2009 (UTC)
Sure, it'll change your life. It's easy to turn on and use. Click on "My preferences" at the top of your page, then the Gadgets tab at right. You'll see the box for Hotcat about halfway down. Check if off – and anything you might want to try, like Twinkle – and then hit the save button and bottom to record these changes. Shawn in Montreal ( talk) 03:34, November 24, 2009 (UTC)
Thanks for the message the other day regarding this page. The article looks great now, and I would vote keep, but seeing as the discussion is closed as keep, I guess it doesn't matter. Good work! PDCook ( talk) 19:56, November 30, 2009 (UTC)
It only hurts when I laugh. <br. /> --NBahn ( talk) 02:55, December 3, 2009 (UTC)
You have no right to remove my comments, and if you do it again I will be going to ANI. When you do not know what you are doing stop doing it. nableezy – 02:59, December 4, 2009 (UTC)
"AfD discussions about IP-related articles quite clearly falls under "participating in any community discussion substantially concerned with such articles". There is no grey area. An AfD is about as perfect of an example as you get for a "community discussion substantially concerned with such articles". Even less broadly worded topic bans are treated in a broad fashion. If ArbCom or the community says that an editor is prohibited from editing or discussing certain articles or topics, that editors should not edit or discuss those topics. Shifting discussion over to user talk pages or other venues is at bare minimum a gross violation of the spirit of a topic ban. I, individually, consider shifting discussion to another venue as an unwelcome attempt to skirt the edges or jump through loopholes of the sanction. As far as I'm concerned, the confusion here is only arising from splitting hairs and trying to look for grey areas where they do not exist. The topic bans are perfectly clear and AfD is unquestionably included even in a strict reading of the sanction language."
-- Epeefleche ( talk) 04:21, December 4, 2009 (UTC)
I'm terribly sorry about that; I obviously wasn't paying enough attention!
--NBahn (
talk) 02:31, November 28, 2009 (UTC)
Just a general thanks, you've edited about 30 of my articles in the past few days, doing general tidy-up and such; thought it deserved some recognition. Thanks! Sherurcij ( speaker for the dead) 09:56, December 2, 2009 (UTC)
Hi Epee, thanks for the comment. I kind of enjoyed that you kept arguing against the sources even after you voted keep; it's nice to see principle in action. I had recently linked Jonathan Cook in a discussion, and I think that is part of what pushed BrewCrewer to nominate it for deletion, so I guess I felt a little obligated to go look up some sources. Didn't really know how it was going to go at first, but now if we run across any more of his pieces, we can say we knew him when... I've worked on a few of these types of bios actually, one was Rashid Khalidi, who suddenly exploded into the papers in the last U.S. presidential election, which was interesting for me as someone who'd gone around before that searching all of the sources that discussed him. It definitely made me wonder, also, what if I had never cleaned up that bio before it happened? A butterfly flaps its wings and maybe Sarah Palin would be the most powerful person in the world. I'll try to clean up the bio a little more, although in truth I don't have so much of a problem with the sources in how they're used. If those are his sources, why not include them? If the material itself is too fluffy then perhaps it can be mellowed out. I tend to be on the "spin things positively" side of bios, though, so it's possible our sense of improvements might differ. See you around, Mackan79 ( talk) 08:57, December 5, 2009 (UTC)
I was wondering why you did this, citing MOSNUM. Wikipedia:MOSNUM#Numbers_as_figures_or_words in fact states: "As a general rule, in the body of an article, single-digit whole numbers from zero to nine are spelled out in words; numbers greater than nine are commonly rendered in numerals" (my emphasis). Ohconfucius ¡digame! 09:35, December 8, 2009 (UTC)
While the name Mahdi Bray does ring a bell I am not that familiar with him in particular. Seeing that the website in question is either his entirely or run by his followers, it would seem that the term Imam is used to extoll him and evaluate his position within the Muslim community. It would seem, per Wikipedia standards, that if a person is going to be lauded as an imam there should be reference to support this. If you look at some of the Islamic pages, for example Mujaddid, Shafi'i, Salafi..., these become mere fan club lists for people to list their favorite religious figures—same problem different manifestation. Supertouch ( talk) 12:49, December 12, 2009 (UTC)
Hi, Epeefleche, thanks for the comment. I suppose you see this as the natural course of things, to ask for a clarification and then ask for enforcement based on the clarification. I usually see it differently, that if the matter is clear enough to warrant enforcement then it shouldn't have needed to get clarification. It all depends, but generally Wikipedians ask, why do I need to punish this person right now? Unless there's a direct purpose, then it generally isn't done. Following this clarification, I think that attempting to add a punishment here isn't necessary. You may think that there need to be punishments so that people will continue to take sanctions seriously, but I think that's an overly simplistic (and as you can see from their responses, a bit insulting) way to deal with these editors at this point. There have actually been several requests for enforcement on this case; I think so far all of them have resulted only in warnings. I've complained that people seem to have had quite different impressions of what the topic ban meant, and have suggested that the remedy needed to be clarified. Nickh and Nishidani are certainly not wikilawyers, as they could easily point out that they did not vote, sought to limit the scope of their comments, and that the article was not directly in the area of conflict. They readily acknowledge that under their understanding of the topic ban, they should probably avoid the AfD. But of course under their understanding there are incidents where editors on the other side should have been sanctioned as well, and yet haven't been. My point, in sum, is that there have been significant problems with the enforcement of these sanctions, including the involvement of socks, which I'd hoped may be resolved following this clarification. No problem about the sock, as I assumed you had missed it. Regards, Mackan79 ( talk) 00:00, December 16, 2009 (UTC)
I tell you, given the popularity of this site and the fact it gets hammered so badly by genuine idiots, it isn't always possible to maintain decorum. If someone starts out as a vandal,odds are good he/she will remain one. I've seen precious few reformed vandals in my time here. -- PMDrive1061 ( talk) 02:27, December 16, 2009 (UTC)
There are people who think a bot welcome is rude. I would agree it's not ideal. In a recent discussion we (I ?) did talk about using a bot to create a list for the Welcoming Committee. Not sure exactly how that would work. Rich Farmbrough, 02:46, December 16, 2009 (UTC).
An editor has nominated one or more articles which you have created or worked on, for deletion. The nominated article is Punchball. Please note: This is an automatic notification by a bot. I have nothing to do with this article or the deletion nomination, and can't do anything about it. -- Erwin85Bot ( talk) 01:13, December 17, 2009 (UTC)
My compliments for your work on the Abdullah el-Faisal article, it really grew up into a nice article. I almost made some edits to the three indented quotes per MOS:QUOTE but held off as it seemed they were almost in mini-list format at that point in the article. Is there an exception to that guideline? Supertouch ( talk) 23:53, January 10, 2010 (UTC)
Hi Epeefleche! Not sure if you'll remember me but you did some good copyediting work for me on Sweetheart of the Rodeo and " Mr. Tambourine Man" when both articles were undergoing WP:GA review. I'm thinking of nominating The Notorious Byrd Brothers for GA review as well and would be grateful if you could perhaps cast your copyediting eye over it? No major rush though – just whenever you've got the time. It still needs a little work – pictures, audio files etc, etc but it's not too far off I don't think. Of course, if you have any suggestions about how I could improve the article, please feel free to tell me.
I also have a copyediting question for you. In the first sentence of the Sweetheart of the Rodeo article there's the phrase – (see 1968 in music). The italicizing of the word "see" was done by you and I've followed suit whenever I've added a similar phrase to an article. But recently, another user has questioned this use of italics and I have to be honest and say that I don't know why it's necessary to italicize the word "see". Could you please explain to me why it should be formatted like this? Many thanks. -- Kohoutek1138 ( talk) 22:14, January 20, 2010 (UTC)
Thanks for letting me know about your inclusion of posts from my talk page in your complaint against the other user. Very courteous of you. Breein1007 ( talk) 05:12, December 18, 2009 (UTC)
I would say that his page should be consistent with others like it – I really can't remember right now if most Muslim Convert pages have the names translated – I think it might be half and half. His name would be written: طالب إسلام – Ṭạlib Islām. Have you seen a page for the five kids from Virginia who went off to Pakistan? Supertouch ( talk) 14:19, December 18, 2009 (UTC)
Thanks, I read the explanation and it can be argued that Frankfurt can be included in the "from" categories. She's been there only since 2007, that's why I was wary. Btw no need to explain in detail on my talk page, because my crappy old 'puter almost freezes when I open multiple windows, which I do when the message of new talk page notes appears. And thanks for being so complimentary on the little work, but the only skill was knowing the language. So you speak some German? You shouldn't bother with the German Wiki, they bite, don't get to the point, like to argue – oh, and they hate the EN-Wiki citation standard, which means I had to remove a lot of references for an article to be considered for DYK there. Weird, or not? Regards Hekerui ( talk) 19:30, December 17, 2009 (UTC)
Thanks for your work on this, Epeefleche. With luck, if it gets kept, we can keep it from being a maintenance nightmare. Maybe a couple of our German-speaking friends can keep it watchlisted for a while. -- Spike Wilbury ( talk) 22:39, December 17, 2009 (UTC)
I think that is only a point of view and not a guideline or a policy, I have done it to reflect that this orgaisation as yet does not have an article , perhaps because it is not notable and also I have done it to encourage someone whilst the article is in high profile to write an article about this org...if it is notable that is. Off2riorob ( talk) 21:45, December 17, 2009 (UTC)
If you want to make an accusation like that you better back it up. I first edited that page months ago and it has remained in my watchlist. Whereas I could actually make a case that you followed me here and here. Dont make stupid accusations. nableezy – 23:43, December 18, 2009 (UTC)
I just stumbled upon Cordoba Academy and noticed that most if not all was simply cut and pasted from the Academy website. I learned to look for this sort of thing in the paste with promotional style/POV type issues. This would seem to me to be a Copyright violation, what do you think? Supertouch ( talk) 06:27, December 23, 2009 (UTC)
OK. I just assumed that because it had been removed separately earlier without complaint that it would be fine, but I see what you mean. fetch comms ☛ 03:57, December 27, 2009 (UTC)
Because of your many edits to the Northwest Airlines Flight 253 article, consider helping out on a related new article, NCTb. Suomi Finland 2009 ( talk) 18:18, December 27, 2009 (UTC)
Please remove this personal attack. Not only are your accusations false, but they have no bearing on the discussion there. Grsz 11 19:23, January 5, 2010 (UTC)
Hey, I had a bit of a dispute with that IP user last night. He seems to be atleast a little more accepting of a version I attempted last night, that I don't feel differs much from yours. I've most recently only incorporated it (partly) in the first paragraph of the section. If you have further issues, why not mention on the talk page and the three of us can hash them out, rather than just reverting? Thanks, Grsz 11 04:51, January 10, 2010 (UTC)
I closed the discussion since the move I think you wanted was not nominated. You wanted the article Council on American Islamic Relations moved, if I followed the discussion. You nominated CAIR to be moved. Feel free to make another nomination if my analysis is correct. Note that would be a multipart nomination since both Council on American Islamic Relations and CAIR would need to be moved. Vegaswikian ( talk) 21:49, December 9, 2009 (UTC)
You appear to be simply adding worthless content for the sake of it, the article is starting to appear a bit excessive, perhaps it is your favorite subject but your excessive additions are imo beginning to make the article unreadable, rambling and like some kind of attack page, there is no need to insert every little detail as the major points get simply swamped. Off2riorob ( talk) 22:49, January 13, 2010 (UTC)
Please do not remove my template again, if you do I will report you. Off2riorob ( talk) 00:05, January 14, 2010 (UTC)
"We already went round and round about this, and what you changed was what we had agreed to – The mosque itself and other RSs refer to it as being in Falls Church. I think the language we had is best.-"
WhisperToMe ( talk) 22:16, January 19, 2010 (UTC)
WhisperToMe ( talk) 22:43, January 19, 2010 (UTC)
1. I understand that you say you believe you know why the mosque says it is in Falls Church. That may be the case, but still they're word is of weight I believe. 2. The Washington Times, while I view it generally as an RS and some others do not, is not as reliable as The Washington Post – which generally says the mosque is in Falls Church. [17] 3. I was thinking more along the lines of a noticeboard that would address the issue of the vast, vast majority of RSs calling it a Falls Church mosque, but you feeling they are wrong for the indicated reasons. Maybe a geography or lead noticeboard.-- Epeefleche ( talk) 01:50, January 20, 2010 (UTC)
Welcome to Wikipedia, and thank you for your contributions. One of the core policies of Wikipedia is that articles should always be written from a
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talk) 02:03, February 3, 2010 (UTC)
Hi, I want to make clear that I know your edit was good faith. Malik Shabbazz removed it and another user restored it and I removed it again. First – and parenthetically – you should know I do not fully agree with the wording. But second, and far more important, the reason Malik removed it and I removed it a second time is that there had been so much conflict on the page that it was protected, and when it was unprotected it was because we all agreed to reach consensus on the talk page before making substantive changes. So, if other editors express support for your addition, on the talk page, we can put it back in.
I explained my removal here [18] and this is where I hope discussion of your proposal will occur. I hope you have time to read my comment and see why I disagree with the wording. It could just be that you and I disagree. Or is it possible that we could play with the wording so that you and I equally like it? Jayjg raised a question about sources, but otherwise seems not to object to what you wrote. I think it would be a good idea if a couple of other longstanding contributors to the page chimed in. But the key thing is just for there to be some discussion first. It is quite possible that people will agree to put what you wrote back in.
I see you recently made an edit further up ... given how many arguments have been raging on the talk page, I wonder if many people missed your edit. I could be wrong but I hope creating a whole section dedicated to discussion of your ocntribution will encourage more people to chime in. Slrubenstein | Talk 16:27, November 24, 2009 (UTC)
Essentially, there are guidelines for see also sections. See WP:ALSO. Regards, wjemather bigissue 22:36, January 31, 2010 (UTC)
You could move Ahmed Mansour to Ahmed Mansour (journalist) and then redirect "Ahmed Mansour" to Ahmed Subhy Mansour and leave a hatnote
{{for|the Al-Jazeera journalist|Ahmed Mansour (journalist)}
{{for|the Al-Jazeera journalist|Ahmed Mansour (journalist)}
At the top of the "Ahmed Subhy Mansour" article.
70.29.210.242 ( talk) 06:33, February 6, 2010 (UTC)
Two articles that you have recently created appear to have concerns regarding copyright/plagiarism, as well as some inappropriately sourced/cited information. I have identified my specific concerns on the talkpages of the articles concerned, here [19] and here. [20] These issues of "copying" of material have been identified in the very recent past to you by another administrator as problematic [21] It is very important to take these various issues of policy seriously, as I have mentioned before. [22]-- Slp1 ( talk) 23:34, March 12, 2010 (UTC)
An article that you have been involved in editing, Americans for Peace and Tolerance, has been listed for deletion. If you are interested in the deletion discussion, please participate by adding your comments at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Americans for Peace and Tolerance. Thank you.
Please contact me if you're unsure why you received this message. wjemather bigissue 21:37, February 3, 2010 (UTC)
the necessary evidence, and I will gladly withdraw the nomination. Regards, 22:34, February 3, 2010 (UTC)
Why don't you both relax. As an independent observer, I see one person AfD'ing another's brand new article simply because he does not like supposed POV edits of the other. On the other hand, the apparent victim here is pushing too hard in the opposite direction since the AfD will work its magic and the article will stay or go accordingly. And so far it looks like it's going to stay. So how about you guys just get along now and improve the article together. I'll tell you one thing, I sure would not appreciate someone following me around deciding my edits were POV and seeking the removal of my work. Too bad there's not a barnstar for putting up with that kind of behavior. I do that and everyone does that in clear cases of vandalism, but not POV. That would be POV in and of itself. -- LegitimateAndEvenCompelling ( talk) 06:41, February 4, 2010 (UTC)
Please can we keep discussions to the subject in question without throwing around random accusations. They do nothing to aid in reaching a consensus and I am beginning to feel like you are just baiting me. wjemather bigissue 20:45, February 6, 2010 (UTC)
I suggested you both stop in the above section and it appears you did. Now I see Wjemather has just continued his behavior in a new section.
I love this: "I left it alone rather than tagging it. Later that day, I returned to it to find that it had not substantially changed. I then did some research before properly nominating it for deletion...," Wow! "Later that day"! Big of him to allow a new article a few hours to grow!
I am so sorry Wjemather continues to hound you. Actually, I am afraid he's going to start hounding me now just for pointing out how he hounds you. I don't edit much at the moment so maybe I'm safe, for now. -- LegitimateAndEvenCompelling ( talk) 02:51, February 7, 2010 (UTC)
I find this troubling: Bachcell ( talk) 05:48, February 7, 2010 (UTC)
How about you keep discussion to the subject instead of continuing to throw around baseless accusations. Given your past history, if you genuinely believed that I was acting inappropriately, then I am quite sure you would have taken it to another forum by now. Instead, by questioning my actions and/or intentions in order to discredit my opinion, you are acting in an uncivil manner which borders on violation of WP:NPA. Please consider this a final warning.
As far as the Islamic Association of Long Island article goes, I was requested to comment by another editor due to your offhand and excessively defensive dismissal of their concerns. I reiterate what I said there, the article as it stands is a coatrack and does not establish the notability of the subject. "oldest mosque in the area" is the only indicator but it is very vague – what is the area? a street, neighborhood, hamlet, town/city, county, etc. Please try to address these concerns. If nothing can be done, then I or someone else will list it at AfD. wjemather bigissue 10:35, February 28, 2010 (UTC)
A cup of tea. Have a pleasant day.-- Epeefleche ( talk) 16:18, February 28, 2010 (UTC)
I have nominated Lloyd R. Woodson, an article that you created, for deletion. I do not think that this article satisfies Wikipedia's criteria for inclusion, and have explained why at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Lloyd R. Woodson. Kevin Rutherford ( talk) 03:03, January 27, 2010 (UTC)
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Hi there. Just a quick note: Great job editing the article. It now looks complete. Thanks! Tuscumbia ( talk) 14:10, 24 February 2010 (UTC)
No problem. — Malik Shabazz Talk/ Stalk 19:38, March 13, 2010 (UTC)
There was the total minimizing and ‘moving swiftly on by’ Lloyd R. Woodson who was arrested in New Jersey Jan. 25th. No one mentioned with this administration anything at all to do with Islamic terrorism, yet that is exactly what he was obviously setting up, an Islamic terror attack. Let us review a few ‘non Islamic terrorism facts.’ Woodson had a modified to fire .50-caliber weapon designed to fire from beneath his jacket. He was wearing military-style fatigues and a bulletproof vest and had tons of weapons and ammunition in his hotel room. There was Islamic Jihad material found in his room. Gee…….moving right along. What slaughter was barely avoided this time?
The last article is an RS speculation that it might have been ... a terrorist related attack. I think most of the votes on the delete were posted before there was anything in the article, any new votes to delete if it were to be put back up would look truly ridiculous. Bachcell ( talk) 00:05, March 9, 2010 (UTC)
Thanks for helping out. Other than correcting the spelling, can we thank Wjemather for doing anything else positive?? Bachcell ( talk) 16:25, March 19, 2010 (UTC)
An editor has nominated one or more articles which you have created or worked on, for deletion. The nominated article is Lloyd R. Woodson. Your opinions on whether the article meets inclusion criteria and what should be done with the article are welcome; please participate in the discussion(s) by adding your comments to Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Lloyd R. Woodson (2nd nomination).-- Erwin85Bot ( talk) 01:07, March 21, 2010 (UTC)
I have again revered a number of your contributions. Please bear in mind Wikipedia policies and guidelines, which I know you are aware of, before adding information regarding people and events to other articles. The addition of mostly unrelated material in order to overstate the importance of certain events or individuals does not benefit the encyclopaedia. In short, just because something has been mentioned in the press does not in itself make it worthy of inclusion in every single vaguely related article on Wikipedia. Verifiability in itself is not a criterion for inclusion. Regards. wjemather bigissue 02:27, March 20, 2010 (UTC)
A cup of tea. Have a pleasant day.-- Epeefleche ( talk) 03:55, March 22, 2010 (UTC)
Taking your advice, I've rolled back my own edit. That aside, please respond to me instead of blanking this message. I have been civil with you, why can't you return the favor and discuss this with me?— Dæ dαlus Contribs 05:54, 19 March 2010 (UTC)
I should have checked the history of this page, and for failing to do so, and assuming bad faith, I apologize. It is fine if you remove this message of course, now that I know. Again, I am sorry. I hope you can forgive me. I understand the need to not have clutter, I just wish that I was so insistent upon it that I could manage to clean my room. I'm actually considering a wikibreak because-(this will continue in email, if you don't mind). I'm experiencing too much stress. I'm even considering changing my 'oppose' to a 'support' regarding the interaction ban with Mb. I don't want there to be an indef ban, but considering things, and .. other things, I may just resolve to, instead of reverting their edits, responding to them, instead, I will simply report the edits to the admin who placed the original 24 hour ban, and let them decide for themselves. If this user continues to personally attack others, then they will get sanctioned.— Dæ dαlus Contribs 06:13, 19 March 2010 (UTC)
I am not sure whether being an offensive or defensive rebound champion is a big deal. Look at Evan Turner and tell me if it looks out of place in the championships section. Also, is it important enough to create a championship section for DeShawn Sims or should I leave it in the honors section?-- TonyTheTiger ( T/ C/ BIO/ WP:CHICAGO/ WP:FOUR) 22:32, March 30, 2010 (UTC)
Wikipedia:MOS#Images: Avoid sandwiching text between two images that face each other. This also applies to right/left floating templates/tables. – Sameboat – 同舟 ( talk) 04:13, March 31, 2010 (UTC)
Please see the relevant section of the Wikipedia:Biographies of living persons policy:
In order to ensure that information about living people is always policy-compliant (written neutrally to a high standard, and based on good quality reliable sources) the burden of proof is on those who wish to retain, restore, or undelete the disputed material. Editors adding, restoring, or undeleting material about living persons that was deleted on good faith BLP objections must ensure it meets all Wikipedia's content policies and guidelines. If material that was previously removed or deleted is to be restored without significant change, consensus must be obtained first, and wherever possible disputed deletions should be discussed first with the administrator who deleted the article. Material that has been repaired to address concerns should be judged on a case-by-case basis.
If you'd like to discuss the content edits I'm making, I'd be happy to go over them with you one at a time. In the mean time, the content should stay out until we can reach a compromise version. Thanks. causa sui ( talk) 21:45, April 8, 2010 (UTC)
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unblock|This is a bit odd. I've never been blocked for "editing abuse" or vandalism. In nearly 40,000 edits. I've no idea why I was blocked. Nor has Causa provided any detail that might give us a clue. Causa is a sysop about whose editing I've raised questions at a page he and I have both edited heavily; that of
Anwar al-Awlaki. My most recent edits included questioning why he, without seeking consensus, deleted the text in the article mentioning that AA was noted for actively working to kill Americans. As Causa used the unhelpful edit summary of "trim". Is this a response for that? We can't tell. Is this the use by a sysop of his sysop powers with regard to a matter in which he is heavily involved? That would appear to be the case. This is a baseless block, that on top of it involves an abuse of sysop powers by a sysop who is in the middle of an editing dispute. Where the sysop himself was making controversial questionable edits without using the talk page, as I used the talk page to discuss that very same edit.}}
See this diff for Causa's deletion of the reference to AA being noted for actively working to kill Americans, coupled with his unhelpful edits summary of "trim".-- Epeefleche ( talk) 17:12, April 16, 2010 (UTC)
I think the cognitive dissonance Causa sui might be experiencing here is a perceived conflict between Wikipedia:Administrators#Exceptional_circumstances, (which allows that material deleted because it contravenes BLP may be re-deleted if it continues to be non-BLP-compliant) and WP:INVOLVED, (which holds that In general, editors should not act as administrators in cases in which they have been involved.) The former prescribes what administrators can do. That latter prescribes that Cuasa sui can’t be the administrator performing such actions. Short of a true emergency (Epeefleche re-inserting someone’s Social Security number in the article) Causa sui can hold his wild horses and should have no problems convincing an uninvolved admin to step in if he has a meritorious (read: genuine) concern.
His blocking rationale (I am not interested in discussing this matter with you (or anyone else) on this page anymore) is a showcase example for why WP:INVOLVED exists in the first place: getting wrapped up in an edit war until one looses objectivity and is highly biased (and confrontational). Moreover, his declaration of I am declaring him topic banned from this article for two weeks shows that Causa sui is exhibiting a profound lack of appreciation that he is now just a regular editor over there. And finally, his declaration that he’s not interested in “discussing this matter with” “anyone else” shows that he fancies himself as having some sort of carte blanch entitlement to edit as he pleases and block those who oppose him. Such a statement is also an excellent showcase for how the community should exercise greater care when granting Sysop powers to Admins.
My personal contribution to this particular article has been minimal at best; my involvement has largely been to weigh in on the talk page, offer my 2¢, and challenge some of Causa sui’s reasoning. His statement that he thinks he no longer needs to discuss anything with anyone strongly indicates that if anyone should step back from the article for two weeks, it is Causa sui.
I encourage Epeefleche to not be intimidated by such an unwarranted and provocative action, to edit as he normally would with an eye for encyclopedic prose that is germane, topical, and authoritatively cited, and I encourage both editors (yes Causa sui, you are just a regular editor on this article) to explain the basis for your edits so your reasoning can be sanitized by sunshine of scrutiny by the rest of the Wikipedian community. Greg L ( talk) 21:39, April 16, 2010 (UTC)
@Causa – Apologies for not having been sufficiently clear in my above questions. What other wp names have you edited under? And during what periods did you use each of those names? And have you ever been censured (under any name), and if so what were the details? Thanks.-- Epeefleche ( talk) 08:18, April 18, 2010 (UTC)
Hi all. I appreciate you all weighing in on my controversial decision to block this user. Before we start a witch hunt, I'd like a chance to throw in my $0.02. My understanding of the Wikipedia:Biographies of living persons policy is that users who repeatedly re-introduce contentious and poorly sourced material into biographies of living persons are to be blocked.
Administrators who suspect malicious or biased editing, or believe that non-compliant material may be added or restored, may protect or semi-protect pages in accordance with theprotection policy. Editors who repeatedly add or restore contentious material about living persons that is unsourced or poorly sourced may be blocked for disruption; see the blocking policy.
Further, the burden of proof is on those restoring the content to win consensus that it does not contravene the BLP policy:
In order to ensure that information about living people is always policy-compliant (written neutrally to a high standard, and based on good quality reliable sources) the burden of proof is on those who wish to retain, restore, or undelete the disputed material. Editors adding, restoring, or undeleting material about living persons must ensure it meets all Wikipedia's content policies and guidelines. If material that was previously removed or deleted is to be restored without significant change, consensus must be obtained first, and wherever possible disputed deletions should be discussed first with the administrator who deleted the article. Material that has been repaired to address concerns should be judged on a case-by-case basis.
Most importantly, administrators may enforce the provisions of the BLP policy by any means necessary, even if they are involved in editing the article:
Remove immediately any contentious material about a living persons that is unsourced or poorly sourced; that is a conjectural interpretation of a source (see No original research); that relies on self-published sources, unless written by the subject of the BLP (see below); or that relies on sources that fail in some other way to comply with Verifiability. The three-revert rule does not apply to such removals. Editors who find themselves in edit wars over potentially defamatory material about living persons should bring the matter to the BLP noticeboard. Administrators may enforce the removal of such material with page protection and blocks, even if they have been editing the article themselves. Editors who re-insert the material may be warned and blocked.
Now, we can have an honest debate about whether the policy should be this way. But in point of fact, it is this way. We usually do expect administrators who are involved in content disputes not to use their admin powers to advance their own positions in the disputes, but both the blocking policy and the BLP policy unambiguously state that this expectation does not apply when the content dispute is about potentially libelous or defamatory information about a living person. That was the case here, and it's still the case: the article is still riddled with poorly sourced information that the user in question seems determined to restore without discussion no matter how many times we take it out. The relevant policies are again unambiguous about what should be done here: the content should be removed and the user should be blocked immediately. If this is a test case that shows the BLP page is in error, then we should amend the policy. I may well have been wrong to block him, and I'm open to having my mind changed on the best way to deal with editors who persistently restore BLP-problematic content: but I cannot understand the point of view of people who think I acted abusively. According to the letter and spirit of the BLP policy, what I did was absolutely right, and I would do it again in similar circumstances. -- causa sui ( talk) 06:09, April 17, 2010 (UTC)
That the policy on biographies of living people, and this Committee's ruling in the Badlydrawnjeff case, call for the removal of poorly sourced and controversial content, and places the burden of demonstrating compliance on those who wish to see the content included...That Wikipedia, through the founding principle of "Ignore All Rules", has traditionally given administrators wide discretion to enforce policies and principles using their own best judgment...That administrators have been instructed to aggressively enforce the policy on biographies of living people.
The user was then commended for cutting through the red tape (and even objections of other editors) to get BLP-noncompliant content out of the project:
The administrators who interfered with these actions are reminded that the enforcement of the policy on biographies of living people takes precedence over mere procedural concerns.
Much more extreme than anything I'm accused of here; this was a case of not only blocks following edit warring over BLP-related issues, but actual wheel warring. It seems quite clear that we are to handle BLP problems with urgency and not wait for discussion or procedures before getting dubious content out, and arbcom has ruled that use of sysop tools to interfere with BLP cleanup is the incorrect behavior. It seems that my mistake was that I did not, and have not, acted fast enough. -- causa sui ( talk) 19:43, April 17, 2010 (UTC)
(*sound of sipping coffee*) Wow. (*sound of sipping coffee*) I’m recognizing a pattern with you Causa sui. It appears that once you get a mindset, you pretty much can’t see past it. You seem to exhibit a profound inability—or refusal—to understand and address what others trying to tell you. Above, you persist at quoting from BLP, which is intended to ensure “sensitive” treatment to living individuals and preserve their “privacy” rights. BLP underwent an expansion after Wikipedia briefly read that Senator Byrd had died. Now… to the actual circumstances in your case:
You provide politically correct oratory such as “we can have an honest debate” but flout rules left and right. The only way to keep you from wriggling off the hook is to laboriously and meticulously examine the facts bit by bit to get at the true facts here. Such treatments tend to be lengthy, but I’m up to it. Now…
You gave your lip service to WP:INVOLVED by saying this expectation [that involved admins go get another admin] does not apply when the content dispute is about potentially libelous or defamatory information about a living person. Hmmm… Also, while blocking Epeefleche, you flouted Wikipedia:Blocking#Notifying the blocked user, which requires that Administrators must supply a clear and specific block reason which indicates why a user was blocked. All you did was include a link in your block tag that linked to Wikipedia:Vandalism. Vandalism?!? Your omission (read: failure to do what is required of you) now presents a bit of a hurdle for us because no one can prove why you blocked. We can nevertheless, turn our Common-senseo-O-meters on ‘HIGH’ and use WP:COMMONSENSE. So let’s attempt to sanitize this stinker with the sunshine of some facts:
Epeefleche wrote that you deleted the text in the article mentioning that AA was noted for actively working to kill Americans. His last significant edit was to restore text you deleted (your ∆ here) and his reversion made a paragraph read as follows:
“ | According unnamed U.S. officials, "Christmas-Day" bomber Umar Farouk Abdulmutallab implicated al-Awlaki in some elements of planning or preparing for his failed attack. [24] According to an unnamed U.S. official al-Awlaki is "working actively to kill Americans", and President Obama has authorized his targeted killing. [25] [26] [27] | ” |
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Washington Post citation. Why, right there in the Washington Post it says precisely that: "He's recently become an operational figure for al-Qaeda in the Arabian Peninsula," said a second U.S. official. "He's working actively to kill Americans, so it's both lawful and sensible to try to stop him." Accordingly, "working actively to kill Americans" is factual, germane, notable, and properly cited. It clearly is not vandalism by any stretch of the imagination.
You wrote, above that We usually do expect administrators who are involved in content disputes not to use their admin powers to advance their own positions in the disputes, but both the blocking policy and the BLP policy unambiguously state that this expectation does not apply when the content dispute is about potentially libelous or defamatory information about a living person. To that, I respond that there was clearly nothing libelous or defamatory Epeefleche quoted from the Washington Post. It was factual and, again, properly cited.
BLP at Remove unsourced or poorly sourced contentious material states that Editors who find themselves in edit wars over potentially defamatory material about living persons should bring the matter to the BLP noticeboard. Administrators may enforce the removal of such material
Also, Wikipedia:Administrators#Uninvolved admins states that In cases which are straightforward, (e.g. blatant vandalism), the community has historically endorsed the obvious action of any administrator – even if involved – on the basis that any reasonable administrator would have probably come to the same conclusion.
Clearly what Epeefleche wrote can not be considered blatant vandalism, which is an exception in WP:INVOLVED. Clearly, it was germane, topical, factual, and authoritatively cited to multiple sources. Just as clearly, you were not, as BLP provides an exemption for, involved in an edit war over potentially defamatory that was poorly sourced. In fact, you were simply involved in an edit war with an editor who was doing a proper job here and defied you (a version of WP:IDON'TLIKEIT that is applicable to some admins) several times in a row.
I’ll repeat the part you need to understand or there is going to be consequences for you.
I think the cognitive dissonance you are experiencing here is a perceived conflict between Wikipedia:Administrators#Exceptional_circumstances, (which allows that material deleted because it contravenes BLP may be re-deleted if it continues to be non-BLP-compliant); and WP:INVOLVED, (which holds that In general, editors should not act as administrators in cases in which they have been involved.) The former prescribes what administrators can do. That latter prescribes that you can’t be the administrator performing such actions. The BLP exceptions you cite as backing your actions are colossally inapplicable here and I find your assertions to be a metric ton of weapons-grade bullonium. Short of a true emergency (Epeefleche re-inserting someone’s Social Security number in the article), or real vandalism (not the case here), you can hold your wild horses and should have no problems convincing an uninvolved admin to step in if he has a meritorious (read: genuine) concern.
You clearly didn’t have a meritorious reason with this last block (where Epeefleche quoted information cited to the Washington Post and two other sources). This is why you will behave like any other editor over there—you have zero admin powers in this situation because you are clearly biased beyond all reason and your “issues” with Epeefleche run deep. You wrote Now, we can have an honest debate… which suggests again that you aren’t listening and think posturing oratory will save your skin here. There is no more debate; wake up and smell the coffee or we’ll just have to take it to the next level to reign you in. Greg L ( talk) 20:36, April 17, 2010 (UTC)
Hello. I made a post over at Talk:Anwar al-Awlaki asking if the involved parties (that's you!) would be willing to submit to mediation. Will you please reply? Thanks, -- causa sui ( talk) 19:18, April 18, 2010 (UTC)
With Causa sui, we are seeing an admin who is flouting the most basic expectations of admins, such as explaining the basis for a block. He, of course, couldn’t because Epeefleche had simply restored highly germane and well-cited text in defiance of Causa sui’s wishes, who had earlier removed the text with an edit summary of (trim). Then, when Causa sui pronounced his block to Epeefleche, he said he wasn’t interested in discussing the article’ contents with Epeefleche nor anyone else. Then, after other admins are rapping their knuckles on Causa sui’s noggin saying “Earth calling Causa sui,” he responds with “What I did was absolutely right, and I would do it again in similar circumstances.”
Causa sui was vetted back when our process for granting sysop privileges and powers were less selective than today. This isn’t about the content of the Anwar al-Awlaki article and whether mediation is indicated for settling upon it. I could care less about that. It’s time to figure out now what we are going to do with Causa sui to best serve the interests of the Wikipedian community. Greg L ( talk) 16:17, April 19, 2010 (UTC)
Hi, I appreciate the legitimacy of your bringing up my previous usernames to illustrate the point you are making. However, the reason for the most recent rename was to deal with a harassing situation a year or so back where aspects of my Wiki-life and my personal life were being improperly mixed. I requested that rename so that my real name would no longer be associated with my Wikipedia account, and accordingly, I would appreciate it if we could avoid actually naming names unless absolutely necessary. Thanks. -- causa sui ( talk) 20:54, April 22, 2010 (UTC)
(undent)No, I don't want him to discover that I am now editing Wikipedia under another name. This is all moot anyway, since xeno ( talk · contribs) noticed what I'd forgotten, which is that I did not delete my old talk pages: either I or the bureaucrat doing the rename (I don't remember which) moved them, so my entire talk page history is preserved on my current talk page in plain view. Have at it. -- causa sui ( talk) 23:23, April 22, 2010 (UTC)
Some users are sensitive about admins supporting each other in cases of abuse. I noticed these general complaints against admins here. [1] Do these look like an isolated incidents? Stephen B Streater ( talk) 22:43, April 22, 2010 (UTC)
Before your comment above gets misinterpreted, kindly clarify you did not imply or mean to imply Epeefleche has been acting disruptively vis à vis your interaction... Ohconfucius ¡digame! 01:35, April 23, 2010 (UTC)
Epeefleche, please see User_talk:Greg_L#BLP. Greg L ( talk) 19:48, April 15, 2010 (UTC)
An article that you have been involved in editing, George Michael (professor), has been listed for deletion. If you are interested in the deletion discussion, please participate by adding your comments at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/George Michael (professor). Thank you. — David Eppstein ( talk) 20:19, April 18, 2010 (UTC)
I asked for opinion/clarification from User:DGG on his talk page. He's apparently quite knowledgeable about the policy. Feel free to contact him (or others) as well. Justin W Smith talk/ stalk 06:40, April 24, 2010 (UTC)
See our debate on their talk page. Also see my pending proposal. Do you have any advice for me regarding User talk:TonyTheTiger/sandbox/Hockey mafia issue.-- TonyTheTiger ( T/ C/ BIO/ WP:CHICAGO/ WP:FOUR) 06:40, April 20, 2010 (UTC)
Thanks for the message. To start with, I don't think FAIR and Sugg should be mixed together. Sugg's words are his opinion, not necesarily FAIR's. Also, the way the article is currently written is loaded with well poisoning, in addition to really poor sourcing.
Claims that "Emerson said X" should be properly referenced to reliable sources, if possible, and especially if those statements are contentious or BLP violations. Things that other people said about Emerson should be cited to those people.
Sugg isn't a 1-article author just because he only has one article in FAIR. He described himself as "a print journalist for thirty-eight years, [who] held senior editing and writing positions at The Miami Herald, Palm Beach Post, Atlanta Constitution, American Lawyer, Tampa Tribune, and the Creative Loafing alternative group." [2] He's left-wing for sure, but that, by itself, doesn't make him non-notable or non-reliable.
I've been hacking at these paragraphs, trying to separate out the things that can be attributed to Sugg, and the things that should be cited to the original source, while cleaning up some of the language in general. Please have a look. ← George talk 22:01, April 30, 2010 (UTC)
Hi CAV. Thanks for the note. I saw your revert on the Will article, and appreciate your dropping by here as well. I'm thinking of leaving a post on the RS/N page to clarify things, as there seems to be some confusion that I might be able to address. But let me try the short version out on you here, to see if it makes sense to you. 1) FAIR is not an RS for facts. 2) FAIR is also not an appropriate high-level source (as required) for contentious BLP entries. 3) FAIR is fine to use (generally; Jimbo thinks not in the Emerson article) for its opinion. 4) Sometimes a statement has both opinion and either a contentious statement of a BLP, or a statement as to fact. If they can't be teased out, and especially if it is a public person (where mainstream sources should have picked up any notable fact), then it can't be used.
I have a raft of policies that support the policy side of this. Your comment about the lack of citations and question as to whether it is really notable enough bring to mind, for example, WP:BLP; Public Figures which says: "In the case of public figures, there will be a multitude of reliable published sources, and BLPs should simply document what these sources say. If an allegation or incident is notable, relevant, and well-documented, it belongs in the article.... If it is not documented by reliable third-party sources, leave it out."
As to Annoy—I'm sorry that others have to deal with what I have been dealing with for much longer. It's really somewhat amazing. I wonder if he is just knowingly filibustering, trying to drive people like you away? I'm sure, btw, that your continued involvement can only help matters. Would be interested in your thoughts on the above.-- Epeefleche ( talk) 07:36, May 3, 2010 (UTC)
A tag has been placed on Steven R. David requesting that it be speedily deleted from Wikipedia. This has been done because the article, which appears to be about a real person, individual animal(s), an organization (band, club, company, etc.), or web content, does not indicate how or why the subject is notable: that is, why an article about that subject should be included in an encyclopedia. Anowlin ( talk) 19:37, 21 May 2010 (UTC)
I am unable to remove the blank line without screwing up the first bulletpoint. You may want to talk with those who code the template. If it is changed let me know because I am the main editor on at least a half dozen college basketball player pages.
What about the unsightly blank space to the right of the new rookie box -- can that be addressed?
Also, can the needless extra blank line above "Note" within that box be deleted? Tx.-- Epeefleche ( talk) 23:48, 15 March 2010 (UTC)
I've left out a number of Scheyer awards (e.g., less notable papers) and records ... without checking, I think on the records front limiting to top-10 for example for ACC/Duke. And I haven't listed every single tournament he has been in, as that strikes me as not sufficiently notable, even though the infobox calls for it. With Duke as the winningest team ever, I think that's ok. I don't interpret record as meaning he has to be number one, but rather as top-10. One general comment I see from time to time is "hey, person x is more important, and doesn't have an article, or as long an article, or we don't reflect his records or awards." The answer I generally come to, is let's improve that person's article. College basketball player articles I've seen are generally in suprisingly poor shape, especially given the number of views they get. Of course, if it is true cruft, like the infobox saying "Scheyer led the team for 2009-10 in the following eight categories, and here are his numbers", then I would agree it is proper to scale back the infobox. But, as I said, I will take a look and give a think, with your helpful comments in mind. Best.-- Epeefleche ( talk) 03:36, 22 March 2010 (UTC)
P.S. you should also note, that you can request image consent from photographers on www.flickr.com and get this guy a decent image. Look at the images of all the guys that I do. I hound the flickr guys to re-license their images. About half of non-AP and non-school newspaper photographers will consent. Even about 20% of school newpaper photogs will consent. If you want, I can give you a copy of my consent requests.-- TonyTheTiger ( T/ C/ BIO/ WP:CHICAGO/ WP:FOUR) 14:19, 25 March 2010 (UTC) Sure -- that would be great. Tx.-- Epeefleche ( talk) 06:35, 28 March 2010 (UTC)
I saw at some point during the game that Scheyer is 22/24 in Free throws during the tournament. It seems that he may take over the Duke all time NCAA tournament free throw percentage lead (min 35 att). Do you know how he is doing on the Duke (and possibly ACC) NCAA tournament lists?-- TonyTheTiger ( T/ C/ BIO/ WP:CHICAGO/ WP:FOUR) 17:20, 4 April 2010 (UTC)
Hey there. Looking at this case it appeared that some people affiliated with Mohammed Daniel's were commenting on the deletion review, rather than it all being one person. The chances are that the check came back as likely because Mohammed Daniels knows all these people, so they were all in the same area, or editing form the same company IP, however, they would not appear to be sock puppets. This conclusion is largely based upon this edit:
1. There would also not appear to be any violation of
meat puppetry, as Daniels does not appear to have asked these users to support him, and whether or not their has been any correspondence between them is undefined.
Please let me know if you have any further questions.
Regards,
Spitfire
Tally-ho!
01:22, 28 March 2010 (UTC)
I apologize again for what I said and how I said it. I was rushed, and in my mind I melded the two ANI threads together so did not see the need to notify you. Before you replied I noted that Annoynmous, I and other editors had committed the same or worse error in saving the offending statement in the article itself. I noted that it does appear that you did accidentally make the same error in the later post to RSN I pointed out at ANI, though; just pointing this out in the spirit of misery loving company. Regards, John Z ( talk) 04:30, 4 May 2010 (UTC)
Please retract this gratuitous personal attack: [4] -- ChrisO ( talk) 01:24, 28 May 2010 (UTC)
Hey Epeefleche, I trust that you noticed the wording of the final sentence of the ARBPIA template, and are well aware of the status of certain people in terms of being desysoped. Cheers :) Breein1007 ( talk) 14:38, 28 May 2010 (UTC)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Jihobbyist Now nominated for deletion by a familiar user Bachcell ( talk) 17:23, 27 May 2010 (UTC)
Abdul Rahman wasn't a terrorist, therefore I'm surprised you're interested, and any POV you claim I have is bullshit. Grsz 11 02:57, 31 May 2010 (UTC)
I'm curious why you would take a perfectly valid deletion argument (which others have pointed out) and turn it into another claim of POV? What POV? Like I've stated above, I've favored deletions for guilty people, innocent people, with no particular side favored, Yet the best you can come up with is to argue that my comments are invalid because you think I am biased? Grsz 11 00:05, 2 June 2010 (UTC)
I've raised a concern about the hook at Template talk:Did you know. -- Metropolitan90 (talk) 16:49, 4 June 2010 (UTC)
Interested to know the reasons for replacing 'Passengers' with 'Activists' on the Gaza flotilla raid. [16]. The change does not seem very Wikipedia:Neutral point of view. Firefishy ( talk) 23:27, 1 June 2010 (UTC)
Please do not edit closed threads or unclose them after they have been processed by administrators. Their content remains viewable even in archived form. Sandstein 06:00, 16 June 2010 (UTC)
I wonder if opening an RfCs on the AE process would be helpful...or if it would be summarily ignored and closed. -- nsaum75 ¡שיחת! 18:09, 16 June 2010 (UTC)
Congratulations on the GA. Here are my suggestions for conversion in June:-- TonyTheTiger ( T/ C/ BIO/ WP:CHICAGO/ WP:FOUR) 15:50, 27 April 2010 (UTC)
Jon Scheyer | |
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College | Duke |
Conference | ACC |
Sport | Basketball |
Position | Guard |
Jersey # | 30 |
Class | Senior |
Major | History |
Nickname | The "Jewish Jordan" [5] [6] |
Career | 2006–10 |
Height | 6 ft 5 in (1.96 m) |
Weight | 190 lb (86 kg) |
Nationality |
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Born | Northbrook, Illinois | August 24, 1987
High school |
Glenbrook North High School, Northbrook, Illinois |
Career highlights | |
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Jonathan James "Jon" Scheyer (born August 24, 1987, in Northbrook, Illinois) is an All-American 6' 5" guard, who was selected by the XXX with the Xth overall selection in the 2010 NBA Draft. He led his high school team to an Illinois state basketball championship and the 2009–10 Duke Blue Devils to the 2010 NCAA Basketball Championship. He was a prolific high school scorer who earned numerous individual statistical championships in Atlantic Coast Conference (ACC) play, ranging from free throw percentage and three point shots/game to assists/ turnover ratio.
A high school All-American, he once scored 21 points in a game's final 75 seconds of play in an attempt to spark a comeback. The 4th-leading scorer in Illinois high school history, he led his team to a state championship in 2005 and was named Illinois Mr. Basketball in 2006. He chose Duke, for whom he moved over from shooting guard to point guard towards the end of the 2008–09 season, and was the Most Valuable Player (MVP) of the 2009 ACC Men's Basketball Tournament. [8]
In his senior year in 2009–10 as Duke's captain, he led the team to ACC regular season and Tournament championships and to the NCAA National Championship. He led the championship team in points per game, assists, free throw percentage, and steals per game. [9] Scheyer was a 2010 consensus All-American (Second Team), a unanimous 2009–10 All-ACC First Team selection, and was named to the 2010 ACC All-Tournament First Team. [10] [11] [12] [13] He played the most consecutive games in Duke history (144), and holds the ACC single-season record for minutes (1,470 in 2009–10) and the Duke freshman free throw record (115), shares the Duke record for points off the bench in a game (27). [14]
Scheyer was drafted by the XXX with the Xth pick of the X round (Xth overall, if 2nd round) of the 2010 NBA Draft. If there was a trade to get the pick to select him mention it here. (He is represented by XXX if he has a famous agent like Rob Pelinka or something).
![]() | This user helped promote Jon Scheyer to good article status. |
Okay, now your making me mad, if you have an issue with me, then directly tell me (which you are doing on mecos talk page), dont just go around talking about me, i may be sixteen but what the hell does that matter?, im in collage already, so stating my age as a negative is just plain idiotic. ALSO, are you seriously implying that lil and are are the same account? check are history, we dont edit the same articles, the only thing regarding edits that we do similar is with both write GA's and actively edit music articles. And do you honestly think i would talk to myself on my talkpage and his daily? Im not claiming ownership of the article im clearly stating the facts that its not relevant. Now im not someone who normally assumes bad faith, but honestly, please grow up. (CK)Lakeshade✽ talk2me 07:51, 19 July 2010 (UTC)
The infobox does allow for up to six statistics, but those should be used in only the instances of players with records of some sort. This was discussed.-- Muboshgu ( talk) 03:50, 24 July 2010 (UTC)
I noted that we seems to do a bit edit warring at Talk:Zab Judah about archiving. The reason is that the talk page is listed on the IndexerBot log file as non-working. As I open the page I see that also MiszaBot is both not working and configurations aren't good. Also WP:TPG thresholds for arcihving aren't met. So, the result is that I remove the configs to save bot resources. I see, it is better to remove the non-working configs for now and insert working configs when WP:TPG thresholds are met. -- Kslotte ( talk) 12:54, 29 August 2010 (UTC)
Hello. This message is being sent to inform you that there currently is a discussion at Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents regarding an issue with which you may have been involved. Thank you. -- Kslotte ( talk) 21:17, 19 September 2010 (UTC)
Third opinion: Well first, I can tell you that this discussion has been going on for quite some time in various forms. The question essentially is whether or not to archive if the talk page doesn't meet the size requirements. My personal opinion is that archiving old conversations is preferable, in that it stops people from responding to really old conversations. On Talk:David Newhan#Comments, for example, Epeefleeche responded to a comment left by someone 14 months prior. The first person is long gone, probably, but the old thread is still there. If the recent editor feels that strongly about their question, then can start a new thread; it's pretty trivial.
And it's not like archiving is that big a deal anyway. We have all sorts of templates that you can put on the page to make accessing the archives easier, including {{ Search archives}}, which gives you a textbox where you can put in a search term. There's a category of these templates, too, so you can pick the one that works best.
Personally I see no problem with removing old cruft from a talk page. We don't keep other dead things (templates, headers, etc) around. But then the question becomes, do you remove it and just let the status quo exist, or do you get rid of the old nonworking stuff and replace it with stuff that does? I think the latter is better, to be honest, though I don't see that happening here.
Maybe I'm misunderstanding; aside from not meeting size requirements, is there any reason not to archive? — HelloAnnyong (say whaaat?!) 16:22, 21 September 2010 (UTC)
I find it facinating that Nableezy, just coming off his lengthy topic ban, makes this [17] very provocative and contentious edit without so much as uttering a word on the discussion page. Technically, he didn't violate the letter of the law but he certainly violated its spirit. Your thoughts please.-- Jiujitsuguy ( talk) 20:50, 16 June 2010 (UTC)
It's no problem. I'm an article writer myself, and I can certainly understand the frustration if one spends hours upon hours on a single article, only to see someone come along and destroy most of it effortlessly. The trimmed article got rid of exactly how much I thought should've gone away: 10%. Spasm was deleting content because of a petty grudge, which is unfair to the subjects of these articles. I have tried to use the GA-Class article Billy Pierce as a model to expand baseball player articles on Wikipedia, and he brought it up out of nowhere threatening to hack that down to start class as well, just because Pierce was "less important" than Mickey Mantle and Hank Aaron and therefore has too big of a file size. He failed to mention that those extra KB in the Pierce article was attributed to 100+ reference citations. He seems to leave out a lot of facts whenever arguing his side of thing. Oh well. Two months+ from now I'm not going to put up with his crap if he does it again. Vodello ( talk) 19:47, 25 July 2010 (UTC)
In my opinion there is no consensus shown for a separate page for the term targeted killing. If you want to create a new page then first lets hold an RFC on talk:assassination and see if there is a consensus for such a page, because at the moment it is not at all clear that there is. The reason for this is that it can be argued that it is an euphemism for assassination. If the consensus is that it is then creating a separate page is a POV fork. -- PBS ( talk) 02:11, 30 September 2010 (UTC)
In reverting my edits to targeted killing you have used the phrase "Reverted 1 edit by Philip Baird Shearer identified as unconstructive to last revision by Epeefleche." The link under unconstructive is to Wikipedia:Vandalism. I refer you to the section in How not to respond to vandalism and the bullet point: "Avoid the word "vandal". In particular, this word should not be used to refer to any contributor in good standing, or to any edits that might have been made in good faith. This is because if the edits were made in good faith, they are not vandalism. Instead of calling the person who made the edits a "vandal", discuss your concerns with them. Comment on the content and substance of the edits, instead of making personal comments." If I were not a party to this dispute with you, and another editor bought such behaviour to my attention after a warning if you persisted I would block your account until you agreed not to accuse another editor of vandalism, when such edits are made in good faith. I suggest that in future that if you are in a content dispute with a fellow editor that you think very carefully before you accuse another editor of vandalism. -- PBS ( talk) 03:53, 30 September 2010 (UTC)
User:Wuhwuzdat has made a very WP:Pointy deletion nomination of List of management consulting firms after two of his wholesale deletions of article content were reverted and explained here. Since you participated in the 1st AfD, I am notifying you of the 2nd AfD in the event you wish to participate. -- Mike Cline ( talk) 18:56, 27 November 2010 (UTC)
If you are going to continue to edit here, you need to both understand the letter and spirit of the biographies of living people policy and accept it. If you continue to disrupt article talk pages arguing the consensus can override BLP, I will open a user conduct RfC on your behavior. Yworo ( talk) 18:51, 29 November 2010 (UTC)
Since you have refused to engage me in discussion on your talk page and deleted the discussion I attempted to have with you, I have started an ANI thread about your recent canvassing actions. You may want to read and respond at WP:ANI#Canvassing by User:Epeefleche. SnottyWong chatter 00:20, 2 December 2010 (UTC)
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On behalf of Epeefleche, I point out that blocks are not to be used punitatively only preventatively, and no one has made any allegation that Epeefleche was likely in the immediate future to cause any damage or disruption to the project. "Teaching someone a lesson" is not an appropriate reason to block. See WP:BLOCK. I note also that this block was made in knowledge of, and contrary to the consensus of, an ongoing AN:I debate ( link). – DustFormsWords ( talk) 05:59, 2 December 2010 (UTC)
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Procedural decline. Epeefleche has a working keyboard, presumably, so he can file his own unblock request when he is ready. Interested community members who wish to request consensus to unblock him can do so at WP:ANI where there is a vigorous discussion on this issue. Please comment at ANI if you wish to see him unblocked. Jayron 32 06:03, 2 December 2010 (UTC)
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Epeefleche ( block log • active blocks • global blocks • contribs • deleted contribs • filter log • creation log • change block settings • unblock • checkuser ( log))
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With all due respect, I think this was a decidedly inappropriate block. I'm certain the blocker acted in complete good faith (I can't recall our prior interactions, and therefore have no reason to think otherwise). But I'm puzzled. An AN/I on the same issue had just been opened. This also had the unintended effect of depriving me of the ability to correct mis-statements at the AN/I. Which appear to have misled some editors.
As requested, below is my understanding of the policy and its latest interpretive guidance. Which indicates that in a strikingly parallel situation, a notice to 50 editors was appropriate.
The blocker is correct in implying that a necessary factor, for a posting to be considered "excessive" under the guidance, is a lack of discrimination. But he appears to not perhaps have been aware that the notified editors were in fact picked with discrimination.
This was certainly not a "clear canvassing violation" (the rationale for the block).
I apologize if I in any way created even an appearance of impropriety. That was not my intention. My postings were an effort to do precisely the opposite (to dispel even the faintest suspicion that some—but not all—editors had been contacted). I read wp:canvass and its related talk page guidance carefully before proceeding. I acted strictly in accord with my understanding of them. I am committed to following the guidance, in whatever form it may be written now or in the future.
I respectfully request an unblock, with an edit summary reflecting that it was not appropriate.
Background
1. Concurrent AfDs are discussing deleting 6 lists of Jews. The discussions include related issues. (rules for deleting lists of religions, ethnicities, and nations; whether Jews fall into all 3 categories; the effect of that w/regard to deletions of Jewish lists; who is a Jew; impact of a Jew saying he did not want to be noted for being a Jew; etc.). I !voted keep at all 6 related AfDs. Bulldog, Snotty, and Yworo !voted delete at all 6.
2. Bull asserted at a number of the AfDs–incorrectly–that I had canvassed. His "evidence" was an on-wiki note to DGG, in which I mentioned all 6 AfDs. And the fact that I had mentioned to DustFormsWords off-wiki that he had commented on 1 of 2 co-extensive concurrent AfDs (entertainers and actors). DGG had not !voted. Dust had !voted, split keep and delete, at some AfDs.
3. The editor-response to the Bull accusation was largely negative. See the AfDs.
4. I responded to the Bull accusation. Pointing out I had not canvassed. That his accusations violated wp:agf & wp:civil. And that the only editors other than me to have commented at all 6 AfDs were him, Snotty, and Jayjg—with 17 delete !votes and 1 keep !vote among them.
5. Bull's complaint, if true, would have raised the possibility that keep !voters had been made aware of the related AfDs. But that delete !voters had not. So I also noted that I would
"be happy to leave all editors editing/who edited related AfDs a note about related on-going AfDs".
Nobody objected. I then proceeded as I had suggested.
6. I used a neutral notice.
7. I was discriminating in whom I contacted. Contacting only editors who had commented at 1 of the related AfDs (but fewer than all). I did not contact editors who had commented at the DGG string (inasmuch as there, all AfDs had been mentioned).
8. Noteworthy: Contrary to what an editor intent on "getting out" the keep !vote would do, I did not also (or instead) contact editors who had participated at the prior AfDs of the lists–which had resulted in !keeps. (Unless they participated in this week's AfDs). Despite the fact that it would have been a totally acceptable alternative (or addition) under wp:canvass. And would have resulted in contacting a more keep-heavy group.
9. The editors contacted were not keep-heavy. If anything, the opposite. Nor did the notices result in keep-heavy !votes. Just the opposite.
My understanding of wp:canvass (emphases added)
1. Purpose. wp:canvass is meant to protect against: "canvassing ... with the intention of influencing the outcome of a discussion in a particular way". This clearly was not such a case.
2. Acceptable notices. Per wp:canvass: "In general, it is perfectly acceptable to notify other editors of ongoing discussions, provided that it is done with the intent to improve the quality of the discussion by broadening participation to more fully achieve consensus." That was my intent.
3. Note at AfD regarding notifications. As wp:canvass suggests is good practice, I "left a note at the discussion itself about notifications which have been made". Actually, I did better than that. I left the note before making the notifications.
4. Neutral wording of notice. The notice, as suggested by wp:canvass, was neutrally worded and brief. It did not even say "You are invited to join the discussion at ...", as the guidance's template does. Instead, it was far more neutral. Saying only:
"Hi. As you just participated in discussions on a closely related topic (also a current AfD re a Jewish list), which may raise some of the same issues, I'm simply mentioning that the following are currently ongoing: AfDs re lists of Jewish Nobel laureates, entertainers, inventors, actors, cartoonists, and heavy metal musicians."
5. Selection of those notified—known opinions. As suggested by wp:canvass,
"The audience [was] not ... selected on the basis of their opinions – for example, if notices are sent to editors who previously supported deleting an article, then similar notices should be sent to those who supported keeping it."
I did not leave messages for users selected on the basis of their opinions. Precisely the opposite.
6. Selection of those notified—connection to topic of discussion. As suggested by wp:canvass, there was no posting of "messages to users ... with no particular connection with the topic of discussion." To the contrary, all users were ones who had edited this week at one or more of the related AfDs. As suggested, the notices were "On the talk pages of individual users ... who have participated in previous discussions on ... closely related topics".
7. What "excessive cross-posting" means under the guidance: Indiscriminate Notification, and Uninvolved Editors. wp:canvass provides that one should not send notices to an "excessively large number" of individual users. Wp:canvass then clarifies what that means, stating the elements that constitute prohibited excessive cross-posting:
Excessive cross-posting
Important discussions sometimes happen at disparate locations in Wikipedia, so editors might be tempted to publicize this discussion by mass-posting to other Wikipedians' talk pages.... indiscriminately sending announcements to uninvolved editors is considered "talk-page spamming" (or e-mail spamming) and therefore disruptive.
There was nothing indiscriminate about the posting here. Those posted to were a highly select group. Specifically, those editors who had posted at one of the related AfDs this week. Nor were they "uninvolved editors". Precisely what the guideline indicates is meant by "excessive" cross-posting–the 2 necessary elements of indiscriminate notification, and uninvolved editors–was not the case here. Rather, the polar opposite was the case.
8. Guidance terminology vs. common parlance. I understand terms can have different meanings in common parlance, from how a guidance instructs us to understand them. "Excessive" is such a term. Had the guidance (and its interpretations) not described its meaning, my initial instinct (without any objective foundation) might well have been that "65" would be "excessive" (in normal parlance). I took care before acting, however, to check what "excessive" means under the precise guidance language. It is indeed a wiki-specific interpretation of the phrase, as reflected above.
9. Footnote. A footnote says "The Arbitration Committee has ruled that "[t]he occasional light use of cross-posting to talk pages is part of Wikipedia's common practice. However, excessive cross-posting goes against current Wikipedia community norms. In a broader context, it is unwiki." See Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/IZAK#Principles." To understand what "excessive cross-posting" means, see the above para. Not the case here.
Furthermore, the footnoted case is plainly distinguishable.
The editor there violated the principle of "Aggressive use of Wikipedia forums to mobilize support for point of view". He sent notices that were "calls to action". The opposite was true here. This was a neutral message. Sent to all editors, without regard to their view, who had edited at the related AfDs this week.
In addition, in the footnoted case there was no rationale for why those particular editors were contacted. That distinguishes it. And as the guidance indicates, indiscriminate posting is a core element of "excessive cross-posting".
It is noteworthy that the editor in that case was not even, btw, sanctioned for canvassing. He was only sanctioned for personal attacks.
10. Guidance on wp:canvass talkpage, in parallel matter: 50 notices is in accord with the guideline. In July of this year, a starkly parallel matter arose at the wp:canvass talkpage. An editor complained when editor Collect contacted 50 editors on their talkpages as to an AfD. Collect had used a neutral notice. He sent it "to everyone practicable" who had participated a prior AfD. Collect felt, the same as I did here, that it "avoided any possible cavil that people were "selected" for the message". He relied on the same guideline language discussed above. The feedback on the guidance talkpage by Kotniski (with which nobody disagreed) was that since Collect sent the message to people on both sides of the debate equally, nobody should have any objection. Kotniski added:
If people have contributed to a discussion, they have a right to know if the same issue is being raised again (essentially, if they are not told, then they are being disenfranchised, by having their previously expressed views ignored). If you're going to inform some, you have to inform all, so if it turns out to be a few dozen (quite a large number), that's just slightly unfortunate. The disruption (if any) comes from the people who continually re-raise the same issue when the previous result went against them.
11. Additional guidance on wp:canvass talkpage. The notion that multiple postings (to all RfA !voters) are not excessive if they: a) are not solicitations to !vote; and b) are made to editors who had previously participated in a related discussion, was discussed at the guideline talkpage here.
12. Common sense. Common sense, which accords with the stated purpose of the guidance, suggests that one should not send notices to so many users as to lead to a disruptive influx of opinion. There was no disruption here.
13. Following the guidance. I'm keenly interested in adhering to the strictures of the guidance, now and in the future. Were the guidance changed to say, instead: "Editors should not contact more than X other editors per any AfD, and more than XY editors per a related group of Y AfDs ... even if the notices are even-handed, and made to parties who have been involved in related discussions", I would be happy to follow that new rule. Or any other new guidance.
Thank you for the opportunity to express my thoughts.--Epeefleche (talk) 10:54, 2 December 2010 (UTC)
Decline reason:
This block is being very actively discussed at WP:ANI ( permalink) and there is, at the very least, no consensus to overturn it. Instead, even after you have posted your overly long unblock request, most editors (including those who I have no reason to assume are or were involved in any dispute with you) agree that both your canvassing and your above attempt to justify it are inappropriate. Under these circumstances, an unblock is not currently indicated. I recommend that you wait until the ANI discussion concludes and then make another unblock request which takes into consideration the outcome of the discussion, and especially the opinions expressed by uninvolved users. Sandstein 20:02, 2 December 2010 (UTC)
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Epeefleche, you need to address the email issue. You also base your lengthy disquisition supporting your position on the view that editors participating in one AFD were "involved" in closely related AFDs they hadn't participated in, which is extremely shaky. I can see why you might think that, but perhaps you can also see that policy should not be interpreted that way. Rd232 talk 20:32, 2 December 2010 (UTC)
Holy smokes! You are all walking right into this one. I see that you too, Wjemather, have your e-mail services activated. So the above questions apply to you. Do you exchange e-mails with other wikipedians and not reveal the content of those e-mails on your talk page? Have you ever strategized with any of your wikipedian friends or requested their assistance with an on-Wiki matter? If you have done so, couldn’t that be seen as a violation of rules? Since you have your e-mail feature activated, and we are discussing another editor’s use of that feature (and you are criticizing that conduct), this seems a probative and fair question under the circumstances. Greg L ( talk) 21:15, 2 December 2010 (UTC)
let us sumSo what's really going on here. A good content editor with no block record at all is blocked for alleged canvasing. Let assume that canvassing really happened. Why the editor is blocked indefinitely? Was wikipedia threatened by their actions so much that an urgent block during AN/I discussion was warranted? What this block is going to prevent? This block is wrong, it is punitive. It created unnecessary drama. A blocking admin misused his administrative tools. I simply cannot believe that almost 24 hours later the editor is still blocked. The editor was blocked with no consensus by a single cowboy's administrative action. Surely they could be unblocked with no consensus either, and besides what Sandstein has missed in the unblock request is that the editor did apologize. To keep the editor blocked after an apology is not warranted at all. -- Mbz1 ( talk) 22:08, 2 December 2010 (UTC)
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I apologize for not having left comment at the AN/I (the basis for my block). My block prevented me from addressing mis-statements there. To clarify certain matters:
1. On-wiki note. I appreciate blocking sysop Kww having left the following note, after my unblock request:
"I could be persuaded to listen to a defense that claimed that while the original e-mail contacts where wholly inexcusable, the follow-up of 65 postings was an effort to repair the damage. Claiming that both actions were acceptable is a non-starter, though.—Kww"
Yes, my 65 postings were an effort to repair the damage raised by the cloud of suspicion created by Bull's complaint. Had his complaint been true, it would have meant that Keep !voters had been made aware of the related AfDs. But that Delete !voters had not. By contacting all AfD participants, I was eliminating that possibility.
While that addresses the 65 postings, one remaining issue troubles the blocking admin. That issue, which he indicates is the wholly inexcusable clear violation that is the remaining basis for my indef block, is my email contacts.
2. 2 Emails—recipients. The emails, discussed here and at the AN/I, consist of 2 identical emails. They were to DustFormsWords and to Dougweller.
Though I was a straight-Keep !voter at the related AfDs, Dust and Dougweller held views contrary to mine. Dust had !voted both Keep and Delete. Dougweller had only !voted Delete.
The editors were ones who I recognized as thoughtful editors. My purpose in contacting them was—as they had commented at the entertainer AfD, but not the co-extensive actor AfD—to let them know of the existence of the co-extensive AfD. (The emails did not mention the other 4 Jewish list AfDs).
3. 2 Emails—contents. The emails were completely neutral. They said:
Hi. I saw that you commented on a similar AfD, so in the event that it interest you I'm letting you know of the existence of this AfD: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/List_of_Jewish_actors
4. Possible third email. I believe I may have sent the same email to a third editor, but can't recall for sure if that was the case, or who it may have been. Having sent the 2 (or 3) emails through the wiki email feature, where the default is to not retain the email, I have no outbox record to check. -- Epeefleche ( talk) 19:48, 3 December 2010 (UTC)
You probably want to monitor WP:ANI#Epeefleche is at least talking, where I have solicited input as to whether you have met the unblock criterion. I don't believe you have, but I'm willing to listen to counterarguments.— Kww( talk) 21:27, 3 December 2010 (UTC)
Hi Epeefleche. Do you remember what was in the email you sent DGG; and was DGG !voting keep or delete in other AFD's? Anthony ( talk) 22:10, 3 December 2010 (UTC)
I'll unblock you on a simpler condition: state that you recognize that contacting other editors via e-mail about AFDs is always inappropriate, based on the "stealth canvassing" language at WP:CANVASS#Inappropriate notification, and you won't do so again.— Kww( talk) 22:32, 3 December 2010 (UTC)
You are unblocked. I'll assume good faith that your carefully and completely language won't be stretched to find specific reasons not to use talk pages. It's a vanishingly rare situation that there is a reason to discuss an AFD at any location besides the AFD itself.— Kww( talk) 23:24, 3 December 2010 (UTC)
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Spread the goodness of falafel by adding {{ subst:Falafel}} to someone's Talk page with a friendly message! Give a falafel sandwich to someone you've had disagreements with in the past, or to a good friend.
It has been suggested that consensus is impossible to find when there are too many participants in a discussion. This is not the case at AFD though as this has a simple binary proposition: to delete or not to delete. Examples of such discussions which had 100+ contributors but which still delivered a result include:
Colonel Warden ( talk) 09:43, 4 December 2010 (UTC)
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Thanks for your efforts to motivate participation in our discussions. These can become stale and unproductive if we just hear from the usual suspects and so it is good to encourage others to speak up too. Colonel Warden ( talk) 09:43, 4 December 2010 (UTC) |
Some accusers asserted untruths, on the basis of which they urged sanctions. Misleading some editors; impacting some initial conclusions. Build a house on sand ... When the blocking admin reviewed my response as to the 65 notices, and presumably the guideline language and the interpretation clarifying that leaving 50 neutral notes comported with the guideline, he sagely dropped his determination that that was canvassing. When the eminently neutral emails sent to 2 editors with contrary views were discussed, it became clear that accusers had spread untruths about them, and that they also did not reflect canvassing.
Any editors inclined to continue the spreading of mis-statements, or creation of misunderstandings, are invited to edit pages other than this one.-- Epeefleche ( talk) 07:57, 5 December 2010 (UTC)
Hi. Since you seem to be the main editor of List of Jews in sports, I wondered if you'd ever considered creating an article on the topic of Jewish sportspeople? Wikipedia:Categorization/Ethnicity, gender, religion and sexuality states that:
Dedicated group-subject subcategories, such as Category:LGBT writers or Category:African American musicians, should be created only where that combination is itself recognized as a distinct and unique cultural topic in its own right. If a substantial and encyclopedic head article (not just a list) cannot be written for such a category, then the category should not be created. Please note that this does not mean that the head article must already exist before a category can be created, but that it must be at least possible to create one.
Given the existence of the list and of Category:Jewish sportspeople, such an article should be possible (and indeed the introduction to the list hints at some reasons for notbility). Would this be something that you might be interested in working on? Cordless Larry ( talk) 16:29, 4 January 2011 (UTC)
You have added a link to this list to lots of articles. The issue I have is that you have piped the link as "List of select foo-ers". What is select about them other than having an article and being identified as Jewish? The inclusion criteria for the list seems to be subjective since it is not specifically defined for each sport. I would certainly say that most of the golfers listed would not meet them, with David Merkow and Rob Oppenheim in particular having done nothing to warrant inclusion by even the loosest possible interpretation of the criteria.
As such, I think these criteria need revisiting. In the meantime, I have removed the word "select" from the golfer bios, and would suggest that you may wish to revisit and do the same for all the others. wjemather bigissue 10:53, 17 January 2011 (UTC)
To wjemather: I think your wikihounding of Epeefleche got out of hand quite some time ago. I suggest you just take him off your watch list, or stop looking at his contributions history, or whatever it is you are doing that enables you to so frequently parachute in on his work with comments about how you are displeased with his activities and how Wikipedia’s criteria need revisiting so Epeefleche’s work can better conform to your desires. Contributors are supposed to be able to make their contributions to the project without having their own, private Pit Bull nipping at their heels at every turn. Has it ever occurred to you that you might just (breathlessly) watch what he does and let some other editor raise an issue first, and then you can jump in to second the motion? It’s high time for you back off. You are clearly using Wikipedia as a tool to use in a personal vendetta. With 6,854,325 articles on Wikipedia, you could find a thousand constructive things to do. Instead you obsess over Epeefleche’s work on Jewish lists as if you fancy yourself as the one and only being on this pale blue dot willing to rescue earth from these lists. I suggest you accept the simple fact that if these Jewish lists are something the project doesn’t really need, the community is perfectly capable of dealing with the lists in its own good time. If you don’t wake up and smell the coffee on this free advise and keep at it, I expect that formal remedies will soon arise to separate you two; you may not like the remedy. Greg L ( talk) 19:57, 17 January 2011 (UTC)
I've added links for 4-5 people ... Not everything must be removed. Gradually, all will be. Not all at once. I've been working on an article a few months. We must respect the work of others. I understand the rules, but in other statya ethnic lists, too, there are red links. Талех ( talk) 15:19, 15 February 2011 (UTC)
Re your message: You would think it would be possible since there used to be a bot that watched the date pages and kept it clean of redlinks (I don't mean that bot-like editor =)). I think the biggest problem would be identifying all of the various list pages that would need to be monitoring, but I imagine that would be surmountable. I don't program bots, but perhaps one of the bot programmers would be interested in making something. Mufka recently asked Pseudomonas if PseudoBot could be resurrected. I would think that the code from PseudoBot could be adapted to look at other pages, but again, I don't program bots, so I have no real idea of the work involved. -- Gogo Dodo ( talk) 19:08, 23 February 2011 (UTC)
Please see the discussion I have started here. Cordless Larry ( talk) 04:16, 26 February 2011 (UTC)
Hi again. You reverted my removal of the infobox image from White American, citing consensus at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Ethnic groups. The discussion there is about the general principle of using such images. My concerns with the image in this particular article are spelled out on its talk page. I didn't remove it for the reasons discussed on the WikiProject but because of concerns about the specific image. Cordless Larry ( talk) 04:25, 26 February 2011 (UTC)
Hi. To try to resolve the "is it an official term" dispute, I've started an RfC for White American. Hopefully we can get some outside input. Please let me know if you think my summary isn't neutral (I tried to keep it short and hopefully people can read our discussion and make their own minds up). Cordless Larry ( talk) 14:52, 1 March 2011 (UTC)
Is it legitimate to say that "White American" is an official term used by the US government? RSs such as the The Washington Post report that the census is a survey of Americans, and that it reports inter alia on "the typical White American household". [19], and RSs such as The New York Times report that the census reports, inter alia, on "white Americans", [20] and the St. Petersburg Times reports that the Census Bureau studied "White American households". [21] The term used in the census, the primary source, is "White". Some editors believe that in context that means White American, as is supported by the aforementioned RSs. Others disagree. See discussion above for more details and arguments on either side.
-- Epeefleche ( talk) 15:35, 1 March 2011 (UTC)
" WP:PRIMARY says, in pertinent part, "Any interpretation of primary source material requires a reliable secondary source for that interpretation.... Do not make analytic, synthetic, interpretive, or evaluative claims about material found in a primary source."
-- Epeefleche ( talk) 16:07, 1 March 2011 (UTC)
Well, we've not exactly been inundated, have we? Not a single comment! It's a shame that while the deletion debate generated so much heat, people don't seem interested in improving the article. Cordless Larry ( talk) 02:02, 7 March 2011 (UTC)
What do you make of edits like this? That, and comments like this to an admin suggest to me that he simply enjoys attacking others and has no desire to conform to conduct expected. What do you think? Greg L ( talk) 22:53, 6 March 2011 (UTC)
Is there a reason you reordered the list of alumni on Long Beach High School (New York)? It was intentionally sorted by graduation year. You appear to have rearranged it to be alphabetical, but your comment is only "ce" (which I take to mean "copyedit"). In the meantime, I'm going to revert it. — Gordon P. Hemsley→ ✉ 00:46, 26 March 2011 (UTC)
How, exactly, does a multi-millionaire web mogul and talking head count as a mere "blogger"? The edit is inaccurate and obfuscating. You might as well call him a homeowner for all the helpfulness of that description. Or is this a POV thing? μηδείς ( talk) 18:20, 9 June 2011 (UTC)
Nine reverts in one day? See here: [22] μηδείς ( talk) 22:03, 9 June 2011 (UTC)
I generally keep my wits by posting my own thoughts and responding to other users cogently in one place rather than litter each smaller segment throughout. And as this isn't a mere vote count, I do think responding to one another is a valuable element that can help move a discussion beyond "A or B" or neither and to a different place between or beyond. I also seek to present a considered and contextual observation so there is less likelihood that someone will retort I haven't considered this aspect or nobody pointed out the fallacy of an earlier comment. I respect your work, but you listed a lot of scandals unrelated to each other or this; had you not, I'd not have spent several sentences refuting you! ;) Wit is fun to display but editorial consensus is better founded on wisdom, HOs notwithstanding, and I trust that any responsible editor interested in the debate will read every lucid argument presented. Conversely, the person who refuses to or gives the impression others needn't read a lengthy post with several valid points does not seem to be a responsible editor interested in the debate.
To that point, that page isn't the place to comment or respond to a comment on post length. I respectfully request that you self-revert your comment there as it is unhelpful to the discussion process and the development of a consensus. (If 22 fairly on-point sentences of mine were too much, three more by you to tell me so is not only off-point, but part of the problem, not part of the solution.) When someone who is or hopes to be viewed as a responsible editor (you) indulges in that sort of a comment, it has the dismissive effect of suggesting that not only was there nothing relevant or valid to respond to for you, but you'll point out to me and everybody there that you're not responding to it, and establish not responding to it, and so perhaps not even reading it in the first place, as a responsible editor's way to treat my post. It's very disrespectful to me, but more importantly to that thread, it's disrespectful to my points and to the discussion in general. To the pretense of constructive criticism in your comment, I take your point and I actually spend more time simply editing for concision than I do writing the thing, and more time than anybody would spend reading it. If someone doesn't have the time, let them skim or skip as they so choose, don't direct traffic around me.
I can be ignored for lengthiness all by myself, thank you!
I'll watch this page—and that one—for your response. Abrazame ( talk) 07:43, 15 June 2011 (UTC)
Truly, if you want to revert every single edit I make because I am the one who makes it, feel free. But simply accusing me of edit warring with every edit I make seems like a personal vendetta. I will report your next reversion as edit warring, so be warned. μηδείς ( talk) 05:21, 16 June 2011 (UTC)
Hi Epe, I like the edit you made diff - as you said, start there and see how it goes. Regards. Off2riorob ( talk) 00:23, 17 June 2011 (UTC)
First of all, don't use the word "warning". Have a little sense of perspective (and I shouldn't have to tell you that). Second, we've talked about this. The article should state Seidman's (and anyone else's) full background, not what someone calls him in a long list of Jewish football players without full explication of his background. I'm sure we can find thousands of sources that say James Earl Jones is African-American, but that doesn't mean his full background (Irish, Native, African) shouldn't be reported if available (it is). All Hallow's Wraith ( talk) 23:34, 20 June 2011 (UTC)
Hi, I just wanted to draw your attention to WP:CRIME, as I reverted the part of a recent addition you made [23] regarding an alleged crime. ConcernedVancouverite ( talk) 03:33, 22 June 2011 (UTC)
I have to say, I am very disappointed in your replacing that content to a BLP without any discussion. I was actually disappointed in you creating it with those opinionated sources and additions. Off2riorob ( talk) 23:50, 2 July 2011 (UTC)
Hi, I don't think Vassilis Tsitsanis is a copyvio. The text seems to have organically grown in Wikipedia during the years. Most likely the other site is copying us. Fut.Perf. ☼ 18:02, 8 July 2011 (UTC)
I see nothing in WP:DAB or WP:MOSDAB that allows for middle names, especially when the guy in question goes by "Bob". I'm not sure where your comment is pointing me to; it doesn't work for me/Firefox. Clarityfiend ( talk) 05:11, 12 July 2011 (UTC)
I am not a graduate of Brigham Young University. You assume too much. My page merely says that I attend or attened there. Beyond that your accusations are false. Deleting a category does not remove mention to something, because the thing is mentioned in the article. John Pack Lambert ( talk) 05:16, 15 August 2011 (UTC)
I have opened an administrator's noticeboard discussion about your uncalled for attempts to use the place where I recieved me education as a grounds for attack in AfD discussions. Your personnal attacks on me are both uncalled for and out of line with policy. John Pack Lambert ( talk) 06:05, 15 August 2011 (UTC)
You're being talked about in reference to apparent bias against (or for?) Bigamy Young University. ← Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 06:10, 15 August 2011 (UTC)
Go to dispute resolution right now if you wish to continue this. I will be reverting on this ad infinitum. You know it's false as well as I do. Assuming good faith no longer applies here. All Hallow's Wraith ( talk) 23:38, 24 August 2011 (UTC)
Please persevere through all the drama surrounding The Shells article and Rjanag. I believe such drama drives many good editors away, and I don't want it to happen to you. You do good work and I appreciate it. - Draeco ( talk) 00:29, 20 October 2009 (UTC)
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For your your valiant efforts to defend The Shells (folk band) article with your reasoned arguments and perseverance, and for taking conflicts in your stride and continuing undeterred with your good work as a Wikipedia editor. Illegitimi non carborundum. Contains Mild Peril ( talk) 01:44, 22 October 2009 (UTC) |
With heavy heart, I have reported Rjanag at the ANI here based on what I believe was grossly uncivil behavior during the Shells affair. It is neither a personal attack against him nor a favor to you, but his behavior compelled me to act. As an involved party I think you should know. - Draeco ( talk) 06:19, 22 October 2009 (UTC)
This may be too little too late, but I have left you a message with my apologies at Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case#Statement by Rjanag. Thank you, rʨanaɢ talk/ contribs 18:13, 24 October 2009 (UTC)
I participated in the first Shells AfD in question. AfD is a frequent stomping ground of mine, and I find it extremely common to see articles like The Shells to be put up for AfD, and just as common to see them deleted as a result of them not satisfying the basic notability and sourcing requirements of WP. Sometimes creators/editors who fail to accept that. There is occasionally dogged opposition to a deletion, which you demonstrated to see the article wasn't deleted, leading to bitter fights which may get personal. The Shells AfD was certainly one of those. I believe the tone set by Rjanag in the AfD was not appropriate, effectively winding up people who would have supported the deletion on the merits of the case alone that prevailed eventually. While I applaud you for your tenacious fight to keep the article, I believe that the lesson to be learned would be to strive for improved sourcing and better writing of an article to avoid the common pitfalls which lead to deletion. I have been upset when articles I have contributed significantly were put to AfD, because it's a natural tendency to want to look after one's baby. I know the above from Rjanag is not the unreserved apology you feel you deserve. But hard as it may be, I hope you will not take the deletion too personally. Perhaps one day, The Shells will be a notable band... I hope you will stay around for when that happens. Ohconfucius ¡digame! 04:05, 5 November 2009 (UTC)
Some terrific work there on Aafia Siddiqui Bachcell ( talk) 19:21, 15 February 2010 (UTC)
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Thank you for your Wikignome-like edits. What do you think, substantively? Bearian ( talk) 21:46, 10 April 2010 (UTC)
You've been doing incredible work on this article and I wanted to make it clear how much I appreciate your work on it. You've been prolific in editing the article, and adding in relevant information, and while I've followed this story myself, in all of your edits I've not disagreed with you once (maybe I missed something... or maybe I thought the police commissioner should be facing the other direction....). Thank you, and please keep up the good work. I'll try to help as much as I can. Shadowjams ( talk) 10:01, 5 May 2010 (UTC)
I've never given out a barnstar. But I imagine Jimbo deserves one for this. [26] [27] [28]
Can anyone suggest which template I might consider using? Thanks.-- Epeefleche ( talk) 05:34, 2 May 2010 (UTC)
Hi, I noticed your contributions and thought you might be interested in joining WikiProject Lacrosse. If you are interested in contributing more to Lacrosse related articles you may want to join WikiProject Lacrosse (signup here). -- Yarnalgo talk to me 17:46, 5 June 2010 (UTC)
Just indeffed Tom for disruptive editing per your report. Thanks, FASTILY (TALK) 01:22, 18 June 2010 (UTC)
Hi. I noticed that you just answered a concern for a user over on the wikiquette alert page. Could I impose on you to take a look at my entry and advise accordingly? Thanks. -- PMDrive1061 ( talk) 05:32, 21 June 2010 (UTC)
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Consider adding Sam Stoller to the list. He was an NCAA sprint champion and a remarkable man. Cbl62 ( talk) 23:15, 7 July 2010 (UTC)
It is a small world. Your DYK link for Cordoba House led me to the December, 2009, Times article--your source for the phrase, "its location was a selling point for the Muslims who bought the land." Although I don't recognize the building at all from the pictures, I shopped there when it was being operated by Sy Syms. I still have a couple of his coat hangers from that single trip in the early 1980s.
Curiously, Syms died last year, just about the time that Abdul Rauf was announcing his plans for Cordoba House--I don't think that was the cause.-- Komowkwa ( talk) 02:50, 5 August 2010 (UTC)
Thanks for your work on Blake J. Robbins v. Lower Merion School District. Blue Rasberry 04:58, 12 August 2010 (UTC)
nice work Decora ( talk) 17:54, 13 October 2010 (UTC)
...with the sourcing of Targeted killing as per that conversation at WP:RS/N, let me know. Bigger digger ( talk) 02:51, 20 October 2010 (UTC)
Hi -- I have noticed your comments about this editor in a few places, including Scottmac's talk page. You might have noticed mine as well: [29], on the Ed Miliband talk page, the Geim page, and [30] here. RFC/U requires that two editors have raised concerns with the user directly, on his talk page. I have already done that (the first link above, which he simply deleted). Nomoskedasticity ( talk) 08:05, 26 October 2010 (UTC)
Thanks for your work on this article! It's developed a lot since I created it a couple of days ago. There's an extra layer of depth now that I wasn't able to provide with just the BBC articles I was using. – Novem Lingvae ( talk) 06:40, 1 November 2010 (UTC)
Yay!!! – Novem Lingvae ( talk) 21:05, 2 November 2010 (UTC)
Hi,
I posted a proposal for a cleaner version of the bio. I'm not sure if you check the talk page (plus it was moved up by a few anon. comments) so I though I'd notify you here. Basically, it compresses redundant info. and puts sources in refs. Like, instead of saying something like "The Forward and RussianInfoCentre and Physics World reported that..." it would say ""Several sources (link to footnotes) reported that..." That way it just seems a lot more professional, and the flow improves significantly.
Please check it out, and make any suggestions if you want. Regards, -- Therexbanner ( talk) 17:32, 2 November 2010 (UTC)
Why don't you gey over yourself and leave living subjects alone, three Christian Grandparents makes him a whole lot not jewish, all the world can see he is a single quarter jew, the size of which is a minor genetic issue. Also if you are unable to discuss like adult and insst on adding silly templates to my talkpage then stay off my talkpage. Off2riorob ( talk) 14:36, 16 November 2010 (UTC)
Thanks for the heads up, I don't think they will succeed but it's good to know they're planning it. Did you let Jayjg know as well? Stuart.Jamieson ( talk) 08:23, 16 November 2010 (UTC)
I watch all the current Mets players and I must say that the Ike Davis article is the best of the lot, by far. Have you considered taking it perhaps to GA?-- brew crewer (yada, yada) 03:26, 15 December 2010 (UTC)
If you would like a copy of this article put in your userspace so you can include details within 75th Infantry Division (United States) or anywhere else, please do say so, and I'll do it. Regards Buckshot06 (talk) 21:15, 12 January 2011 (UTC)
I saw the quality of your contributions at DYK and clicked on over to your user page and was pretty impressed. Would you be interested in helping with the WP:Online_Ambassadors program? It's really a great opportunity to help university students become Wikipedia contributers. I hope you apply to become an ambassador, Sadads ( talk) 00:23, 22 January 2011 (UTC)
Hi Epeefleche, thanks for watching this article! Cheers. Farhikht ( talk) 12:57, 6 February 2011 (UTC)
Sandy Cohen (ice hockey)? Cheers.-- Mbz1 ( talk) 02:35, 15 February 2011 (UTC)
Are you sure that Rockefeller recruited Berg for the OSS? None of the references you cited there say that. Our Moe Berg article says "To do his part for the war effort, Berg accepted a position with Nelson Rockefeller's Office of Inter-American Affairs on January 5, 1942." Beyond My Ken ( talk) 02:23, 16 February 2011 (UTC)
Hello! I notice you've made a series of edits removing redlinks from this page. Do you mind if I revert your edits, temporarily leaving the unreferences redlinks you've removed, in order to work to provide references for those that I can? Many have entries in a single source, Killam & Rowe's Companion to African Literatures. Best, Dsp13 ( talk) 02:42, 17 February 2011 (UTC)
Sometimes it is hard to see the wood for the trees. Having now seen Fæ's perspective on that conversation... I can't do anything but see it in a new light. I think I do now see where you are coming from, while there was no intention to push anyone away I basically ended up going into a rant about WP:V :S And I finally see what you mean about removing others work; and while that specific example was unintentional (and probably a reasonable removal) I did just offhanded it as "not part of this discussion" :S Damn. I appreciate you getting me to finally consider this appropriately. (More delicately; I don't want this to come off as a way to appease you, reading Fæ's words has made it click and I will reflect on this.. "enthusiasm"). As I mentioned elsewhere in the RFA my other most active online forum is a community where we spar over ideas/thoughts/proposals and I suppose vestiges of that still exists, even if I miss them. Will work on this. -- Errant ( chat!) 11:21, 17 February 2011 (UTC)
I appreciate your additions to Orio Palmer. Cullen328 ( talk) 14:54, 19 February 2011 (UTC)
Heya Epeefleche,
I saw you modified some dates over on the List of home run records. I could care less, but I wanted to make sure I wasn't doing anything bad. I thought that styling a date as (example) 27 May was equally acceptable as styling it May 27. Have I been wrong in this assumption?
There should be more editors with your kind of good nature. You help make WP a better place to volunteer. Happy editing! Chris the speller ( talk) 20:59, 22 February 2011 (UTC)
I use wikEd on the Firefox browser. Firefox underlines misspellings in red, and wikEd allows the use of JavaScript regular expression syntax to find and correct errors. I have some examples on my /regular subpage. I have many more regular expression scripts, in case you were looking for something special; just ask. Happy editing! Chris the speller ( talk) 15:34, 23 February 2011 (UTC)
right church, wrong pew - I love that; well said.
" Is this the right room for an argument?" hehe.
Gods, I really do hate RfA, sometimes. Always, actually. Chzz ► 17:22, 24 February 2011 (UTC)
Hi Epeefleche, Just wondering – if you've any spare time – if you'd have a look at Ntrepid to see whether anything can be added etc. I'd like to take it to DYK but it's a bit on the short side; there's not much info on this shadowy organisation. Thanks, Ericoides ( talk) 07:50, 25 March 2011 (UTC)
Just an FYI, posted a GA review. Staxringold talk contribs 22:38, 27 March 2011 (UTC)
Hi. Please don't make random formatting changes to the date articles as you have done here. The date articles conform to a template and the formatting shouldn't be changed without discussion to consensus at WT:DAYS. Thanks. – Mufka (u) (t) (c) 23:26, 1 September 2011 (UTC)
Year articles ( 1795, 1955, 2007) should not be linked unless they contain information that is germane and topical to the subject matter—that is, the events in the year article should share an important connection other than merely that they occurred in the same year. For instance, Timeline of World War II (1942) may be linked to from another article about WWII, and so too may 1787 in science when writing about a particular development on the metric system in that year. However, the years of birth and death of architect Philip C. Johnson should not be linked, because little, if any, of the contents of 1906 and 2005 are germane to either Johnson or to architecture. [emphasis added]
Hello. You recently gave me a warning for unreferenced content in the biography of a living person. I can certainly understand your likely thought process in doing so, but I feel inclined to defend my reputation. When I read the warning, I was particularly confused because I never remembered reading, or editing, the article in question: Ryan Braun. Upon inspection, it was labeled as an edit performed with Huggle; however, I have no memory of reverting the deletion of information regarding Braun's sexuality. More interestingly, the automatically created edit summary says that I reverted four consecutive edits in one click. This last bit of information shows that something strange was happening. I believe I figured out what.
After looking through the recent edits to that page, I noticed one which I have a memory of seeing and reverting on Huggle. I made the controversial revert while scrolling back a bit to older edits made a few minutes before. The aforementioned edit, it seems, was vandalism built on vandalism; when I saw it, I clicked "revert". However, in the three minutes that had elapsed since 24.36.38.61's edit at 1:39, other edits had been made, including good-faith ones. Huggle, thus, reverted all edits made at and after 1:39, while I did not know that such edits had been made. In the past, I had seen Huggle stopping me from accidently editing pages that had been already reverted between the time I was seeing them and the time they were loaded onto Huggle, so I assumed that this would always be the case. Apparently it wasn't.
I apologize for any misunderstanding, and hope that I have explained adequately how my controversial revert was, due to partially human and partially computer error, reverting the wrong things. Thank you for reading. Marechal Ney ( talk) 03:15, 15 October 2011 (UTC)
Hi Epeefleche,
Please if I can ask you for help regarding the issue of one particular edition, reflected on my talk-page. In my edition on the subject of J Street I was accused by user Malik Shabazz for Copyright violation As you are highly respected expert in this field I would like you to ask for your opinion regarding this issue. I am sure that my edition (which was removed by user Malik Shabazz do not constitute Copyright violation).
Here is my article that was written at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/J_Street#Funding and later removed by Malik
According to the The Washington Times, J street has been co-funded by directors of organizations such as the Arab American Institute and the National Iranian American Council. Also, J Street funds have been raised from a lawyer who represented the embassy of Saudi Arabia in Washington, and from Ray Close, a former foreign agent for Saudi Arabia, who was also a CIA station chief in Saudi Arabia, and have allegedly worked for the former head of Saudi intelligence service. The Washington Times reported that J Street had been paying Ben-Or Consulting, a company which is partially owned by Ben Ami, tens of thousands of dollars. This findings, presented by The Washington Times, are showing that Ben-Or Consulting , the Tel Aviv-based company partially owned by Ben-Ami, charged J Street at least 56,000 dollars in consultation fees, prompting charity experts to raise ethical issues regarding Ben Ami's conflict of interest and self- dealinghttp://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2010/dec/30/jewish-group-pays-pr-firm-co-owned-by-president/?page=1
Objections stated by Malik Shabazz are looking non sense for me, and are written on my talk-page- Please can you give me your opinion on this issue? -- Tritomex ( talk) 02:14, 16 November 2011 (UTC)
Hi Epeefleche - I've reverted your ndash changes as they didn't seem to make any sense. Some were changing the content of bot-generated text in citations, one was incorrectly changing hyphens to ndashes in a numeric date. Colonies Chris ( talk) 14:19, 10 January 2013 (UTC)
What does "snow" mean? In an AfD comment, you said "Keep. Perhaps even a snow, given the consensus above." [32] Pro crast in a tor ( talk) 00:00, 7 February 2013 (UTC)
What is going on with him? I see you've run into him at your Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Lockleys North Primary School, and you may have noticed he brought your schools AfDs up in Dream Focus' ANI recently. The guy seems perfectly willing to ignore the consensus from the zillions of previous school AfDs. Not only that, he accuses me of WP:IDIDNTHEARTHAT and WP:COMPETENCE because I reaffirm that consensus; at the same time offering a frankly ridiculous argument that age is a determinant. He also left a TLDR diatribe on my talk page that was essentially a borderline personal attack. Frankly, he's turning into Dream Focus Jr. Would you do me a favor and tell him to tone it down? Purpleback pack 89≈≈≈≈ 00:26, 25 January 2012 (UTC)
You had said if Danjel keeps it up I should report him to ANI. He continues to lambaste my rationale for deletion, even when it isn't relevant. But most disturbing, he called Fmph a troll, for no other reason than disagreeing with him. I told him to stop that on his page; he rolled back my comment. I think the only way to get him to stop is to get admin action against him; but if I start an ANI thread; he'll BOOMERANG with accusations against us. Should I take him to ANI anyway? Purpleback pack 89≈≈≈≈ 20:54, 9 February 2012 (UTC)
Hello. This message is being sent to inform you that there is currently a discussion at Wikipedia:Dispute resolution noticeboard regarding an issue with which you may have been involved. The thread is " User:Danjel and school AfDs". Thank you. -- Purpleback pack 89≈≈≈≈ 00:30, 10 February 2012 (UTC)
Hello. There is currently a discussion at Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents regarding an issue with which you may have been involved. Thank you.
It's Danjel again. He keeps bringing up those schools you nominated for deletion or merger p b p 01:18, 6 December 2012 (UTC)
Please do not remove content or templates from pages on Wikipedia, as you did to
Anglican Church Grammar School, without giving a valid reason for the removal in the
edit summary. Your content removal does not appear constructive and has been
reverted. Please make use of the
sandbox if you'd like to experiment with test edits. Thank you. Despite your edit summary, you clumsily also removed content that was properly referenced. You also failed to account for
WP:PRESERVE by seeking to find an appropriate source, which
turned up as the top result in a google search. This is now the second time this has been raised with you, the first being
Talk:All_Hallows'_School#Removal_of_House_System_section. ˜
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Hello. There is currently a discussion at Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents regarding I feel that this is the only way to get you to look for sources, rather than just delete tagged content, per WP:PRESERVE. The thread is Disruptive deletion of content. Thank you.— Preceding unsigned comment added by Danjel ( talk • contribs) date
Please stop your
disruptive editing. If you continue to blank out or remove portions of page content, templates or other materials from Wikipedia, you may be
blocked from editing. Thank you. This has been previously raised with you
here,
here and at ANI
here (where one of the outcomes was "Google takes all but a few seconds and is worth the effort", as it did in this case). ˜
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Hello, Epeefleche. Please be aware that a user conduct request for comment has been filed concerning your conduct on Wikipedia. The RFC entry is located at Wikipedia:Requests for comment/Epeefleche, where you may want to participate. ˜ danjel [ talk | contribs ] 05:37, 15 January 2013 (UTC)
I have mentioned you at AN/I with regards to a request to block User:Danjel. ClaudeReigns ( talk) 20:16, 27 January 2013 (UTC)
Did you see that? It appears that, after the RfC/U on you wasn't going his way, Danjel is attempting to discredit the people who disagree with him. He's basically mentioned every single participant in the RfC/U except TParis and me. Dude needs to drop the stick and back away, and we need to get that interaction ban in place ASAP. Also, he probably should have notified you that your name was mentioned in an SPI p b p 17:36, 31 January 2013 (UTC)
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Wow, your talk page is almost as busy as mine! Anyway, I've passed Fuld. Nice work. :) HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 15:50, 10 March 2011 (UTC)
Hi there. You recently uploaded a number of images with claims of fair use. In case you were not aware, a rationale of "for use in the infobox" is not sufficient. You must provide a detailed and valid reason for including the image in the article (the purpose) to explain why it meets our non-free content criteria policy. For the images you have uploaded I would say they are "the primary means of visual identification of the subject or topic". Please also see our non-free use rationale guideline for further guidance. Regards, wjemather bigissue 10:20, 19 March 2011 (UTC)
Despite Greg reaffirming that you must provide proper rationale for these images and giving further guidance, and having had plenty of time, you have still not done so. In my view is is unwise for an editor with an open CCI case to demonstrate further total disregard for copyright issues. This is the final warning you will receive in this regard. Please do as requested and rectify this as soon as possible. wjemather bigissue 08:25, 20 March 2011 (UTC)
First of all, the truly fundamental issue is being discussed at AN/I here. The issue being, given the history of hounding and warnings described there, and the most current events in the wake of the recent 2-day block of WJE for same, how we should address matters.
Second, as to the substantive "image rationale" question you pose, the simple answer is that WJE failed to supply any diffs. But I would guess he is referring to my add of an image and rationale for a book cover (no images of people) of a book on philanthropy. And my similar adds of 5 covers/logos of local US Jewish newspapers (again, no images of people; let me know if you need those diffs as well).
He attacked my "use in infobox" rationale for the images. However, that is the accepted rationale for many thousands of such images.
Furthermore, I added those images and rationales only after receiving precise, detailed advice from senior editor Beyond My Ken (who focuses on images), which I followed.
See BMK advice, and BMK's comments on the substance of WJE's assertions here ("technically correct, but in my opinion is being overly pedantic. ... As far as I am aware, most people understand that "for use in the infobox" means "to visually identify the subject of the article" or whatever wordage the editor used. Per WP:BURO I don't think it's absolutely necessary to change what you did (on my advice)").
Inasmuch as WJE has been requested to stop posting on my tp, and I would hope he will comply with my request at this point so as to not violate wp:harass, I imagine if he wishes to communicate with you on this issue he will do so on your tp or in some other manner.-- Epeefleche ( talk) 03:11, 21 March 2011 (UTC)
Hi, I know you help clear out unreferenced redlinks in lists of people - I have a question about the guidelines there on which I'd be interested to hear your view. Dsp13 ( talk) 21:34, 25 March 2011 (UTC)
Hello again Epeefleche,
so I agree with you that a wikipage or a reference should be present for each player in the list. For this reason I'm beginning to create missing wikipages. Therefor I gently ask you to not remove random players from the list since the list is curretly acting as my reference point. If you would like to helo you could create missing players wikipages. Cialo ( talk) 14:07, 26 March 2011 (UTC)
Thank you for your work with dab... I have created the table tennis players paged and linked ;) -- Cialo ( talk) 13:05, 6 May 2011 (UTC)
I appreciate your taking the time to select some images for List of sports-related people from Mississippi ( diff). Given the number of available choices, I like the selections that you made. — CobraWiki ( jabber | stuff ) 17:21, 1 April 2011 (UTC)
Started the review! Staxringold talk
Can you slow down with the prods of Polish musical groups and bands? Just looking quickly at the large number you recently prodded I can tell that you're tagging a lot of groups which are very clearly notable (anyone even vaguely familiar with Polish rock music would have heard of them - which is also evidence by the interiwiki links in some of them). But at the rate you're going it might be difficult to keep up with you. Volunteer Marek ( talk) 05:48, 22 May 2011 (UTC)
I've restored both of these articles per a request at WP:REFUND. However, I'm curious as to why you used a CSD rationale as your PROD reason. If you think these 2 articles should be speedy deleted then why not just use {{db-band}}? -- Ron Ritzman ( talk) 00:05, 24 May 2011 (UTC)
Hello Epeefleche. I am just letting you know that I declined the speedy deletion of H'Sao, a page you tagged for speedy deletion, because of the following concern: Probably sufficient info to avoid Speedy. maybe PROD or AfD would be a better choice. Thank you. Alexf (talk) 18:41, 1 June 2011 (UTC)
Just a simple thanks for your hard work! Regards, Tinton5 ( talk) 19:27, 22 June 2011 (UTC)
Just wanted you to know that I struck my delete vote at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Shaarei Tefillah based upon your improvements to the article. Good job. Cheers. Griswaldo ( talk) 13:10, 28 June 2011 (UTC)
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Hello, I notice that you recently created a new page, Earl Williams (basketbal coachl). First, thank you for your contribution; Wikipedia relies solely on the efforts of volunteers such as you. Unfortunately, the page you created covers a topic on which we already have a page - this was a tyop. Because of the duplication, your article has been tagged for speedy deletion. Please note that this is not a comment on you personally and we hope you will continue helping to improve Wikipedia. If the topic of the article you created is one that interests you, then perhaps you would like to help out at this was a tyop - you might like to discuss new information at the article's talk page.
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I saw your addition of Dan Grunfeld as a notable to the article for Franklin Lakes, New Jersey. No source was included to support his residence there. I know that his father Ernie Grunfeld lived there during Dan's early childhood to teens, as is stated and sourced in Ernie's article, but I can't find any reliable and verifiable source to support that Dan lived there. The same issue applies to his inclusion on the New Jersey notables article. I have very strong reasons to believe he did live in Franklin Lakes, but without a source there's an issue. What source were you relying on? Alansohn ( talk) 20:52, 29 July 2011 (UTC)
Cheers for writing the article Hanna Zemer. Please try to use the template {{ WikiProject Israel}} and not WP Israel (for compatibility reasons). — Ynhockey ( Talk) 09:53, 9 August 2011 (UTC)
Great work expanding the Jack Mealey page. Alex ( talk) 02:15, 5 August 2011 (UTC)
could you stop to continue to cancel part of the article? "There must be an article on the subject, or a ref--or the entry is to be deleted" is it a rule of wikipedia? if it creates proplems to you, begin to write an article about the subjects! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 62.10.250.134 ( talk) 17:49, 10 August 2011 (UTC)
There is currently a dispute resolution open for a page I've been trying (unsuccessfully) to resolve, Heroes in Hell. The dispute page is located here and the relevant dialogue related to this dispute is on the talk page of the article. It would be helpful to get another opinion in here from someone uninvolved with the dispute. I must warn you though, you might want to get comfy before you start going through this material-- there's a lot to read. I, Jethrobot drop me a line (note: not a bot!) 04:55, 17 August 2011 (UTC)
In the article Strange Son, the citation is the one that appears next. I'm not sure how it isn't clear that the citation with the sentence, "Nigel Cole (A Lot Like Love; Calendar Girls) has signed on to helm Strange Son for Revolution Studios, Variety has revealed." doesn't make it clear what is the correct citation for the sentence. Joe Chill ( talk) 19:34, 22 August 2011 (UTC)
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Thanks for your great work on Hebrew authors! Ijon ( talk) 21:06, 29 August 2011 (UTC) |
Hello!
Just wanted to say thanks for your kind words :) Actually, it was you who "forced" me to make the related article a bit better, as following you created the talk page it appeared in my watchlist and when checked the page I was so terrible upset to see in what condition the article is. (Duh, I hate to see one line stubs. Why did I not expand it earlier...)
On the other hand, as I saw, you edited a lot of Jewish related articles so I guess you have the knowledge and sources. Márton has a younger brother, János Vas, who has to be a Jew as well. Maybe is there a reference that supports it? It could be a good addition to the article. -- Thehoboclown ( talk) 13:44, 15 October 2011 (UTC)
My reliable source on Mike Morse (Baseball) being engaged is I know the woman he is engaged to. It's not published in an article, but I do know for a fact that they are engaged. Please put that back up on Wikipedia.
Thank You — Preceding unsigned comment added by 216.116.187.166 ( talk) 00:42, 19 October 2011 (UTC)
I agree with deletion of swimmers with no articles or RS supporting them. I've expanded the intro to better specify inclusion criteria, and added a source for one of the redlinks.
Per WP:BURDEN we should do a cursory search on the web/news/books for RS before deleting the rest of the redlinks. Since WP:N doesn't apply to list contents, but WP:V does, how about using large athlete statistics websites as sufficient RS for inclusion or a news article? Stats sites have been used as RS in vast swaths of sports articles, so how about this one? Of course, wherever multiple RS are found, the athlete's article should just be stubbed and sourced. -- Lexein ( talk) 13:24, 2 November 2011 (UTC)
That whole sentence-in-each-article has to be revisited. It's the strangest thing I have ever come across Wikipedia. Templating dozens of articles with some new-fangled verbiage with RS's not on the direct subject? It violates all kinds of wiki-policies, let alone that no other encyclpedia has anything similar. Then editors are blocked if they don't follow the guideline? It's really wacko. Where is this discussion anyway? I found this discussion about proposal to add the word "settlement" into the first sentence of dozens of article and that failed as "no consensus." How and where did this happen? -- brew crewer (yada, yada) 03:54, 18 November 2011 (UTC)
I thought I should let you know I have honest concerns about Mkativerata’s conduct and honestly and frankly expressed them on his talk page ( ∆ edit, here). Greg L ( talk) 01:50, 23 November 2011 (UTC)
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04:28, 23 November 2011 (UTC)Epeefleche ( block log • active blocks • global blocks • contribs • deleted contribs • filter log • creation log • change block settings • unblock • checkuser ( log))
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I certainly didn't intend to disrupt the CCI, and don't intend to in the future.
Just the opposite. I had already firmly committed to assisting the CCI. [33] [34] And I've already started to help out at the CCI policy page. [35] [36]
I (mistakenly) honestly thought Mkat (M) was an involved editor in the I-P area. Because that is what his user page says. I also honestly was concerned that his blankings of bios of Olympic athletes were retribution, as I recalled reviewers leaving 1-line stubs instead. I now understand from M that he is not in fact an involved editor, and from Moon that blanking is the norm. I apologize to M for my mistakes, and hope he can understand how I made them honestly.
Further details, below.
1. Voluntary Clean-up. I acknowledged my mistakes. And I volunteered to help clean up my inadvertent copyvios, as I mentioned at ANI. In whatever way others considered most helpful. See my conversations with Elen, Moon, and M, in which the details of my assistance—including how I can delete violations I discover, flag checked text for the benefit of reviewers (without making any determinations myself), and timing—are discussed. [37] [38] [39]
A significant number of commenting editors ( Wizardman, Hut, etc) [40] seem to have missed this completely. Their comments indicate they thought the opposite was the case.
BTW—I appreciate that M himself indicated that my more recent edits, over the past year, did not contain copyvios ("Fact: Everything I've seen Epeefleche create since the CCI started is copyvio-free."). I take my commitment here seriously, and I appreciate the gravity of copyright issues.
2. Support CCI. I'm fully supportive of the CCI moving forward. And have been fully supportive of all copyvios being deleted (if not fixed.) I've said this at ANI as well. The pace of remediation will accelerate with my assistance. [41] [42] [43]
I'm also happy to volunteer to assist with an additional CCI, of Moon or Mkat's choosing, given the backlog they mention. I've devoted much of my time over the years to helping improve the Project in various areas, and I'm happy to do it here.
3. Voluntary CCI Policy Copyediting. As a first step in assisting pro-actively in CCI clean-up, I undertook to and already began to copy-edit our CCI policy. [44] [45] For clarity. To be transparent and collaborative, I also opened up discussion at our CCI policy talkpage, explaining my effort. [46] Moon responded positively there.
4. CCI Article Edits. As to assertions of "CCI disruption"—my editing of CCI articles reflects that the opposite is the case. I've made only 3 article edits, ever, following deletions of text in CCI article clean-up efforts. [47] [48] [49] Each edit was an effort to respond to M's concerns. My last edit did just that, it would appear. I never made any edits at all that interfered with CCI cleanup; just the opposite.
5. Mkat and I generally agree. Interestingly, M and I may well agree on 99% of his deletions. In all of the sentences he (and others) deleted at the CCI, to this point we've only disagreed with regard to 2 sentences. In each instance, I was able to address his concern.
6. Efforts at talkpage discussion. After revising the 2 sentences mentioned above, to allay M's concerns, I did seek (without success) to engage M in talkpage discussion. [50] To better understand his reasoning. And better communicate my views. My effort was not intended to be disruptive; just the opposite.
Similarly, I (and other editors) [51] [52] [53] asked M this week, re 2 articles that he had blanked, which sentences concerned him. [54] [55] I asked so I could address his concerns, if possible. I said that at the time. In the one article mentioned above in which we had worked together, he had done exactly that. I thought it a normal request. I didn't ask him about the deleted sentences at the TK article, because I knew which they were (and had not contested his deletion). I also inquired as to whether we have a review process if editors have different views (because we do have a review process for articles deleted at AFD, but I couldn't find one here.)
7. ANI. I opened the ANI because: a) M said a "close paraphrase" existed where I did not believe that was the case (I'm not alone in this view); b) he was not communicating with me at the talkpage; and c) I felt that in the absence of communication from him it would be helpful to have more eyes on our interactions. [56] A number who spoke to these issues at ANI raised the same points. [57] [58] [59] [60] [61] [62] [63] [64] [65] Notably, that was all I requested. I didn't ask for any sanctions, as a disruptive battleground editor might. I asked for only one thing—simply more eyes on future interactions. [66]
8. "Involved Editor" discussion. My understanding that M was an involved editor in the ARBPIA area was based entirely on M's own statement, on his userpage. [67] [68] If what he meant in that self-identification is not what I naturally understood it to be—which seems to be what he has said most recently—then I withdraw my comment, and apologize for any confusion. I wasn't making a personal assessment. I simply accepted at face value his own statement. I stated this at the ANI. I had no way of knowing that M's self-identification as an editor involved in the I-P conflict didn't mean what it said on its face. But again—while some editors (Prioryman, etc.) think I made a personal assessment of M in this regard, or even expressed a view as to his leanings, I did nothing of the sort (it may be that I've been confused with others). Given my mistake here, I'll avoid any future criticisms of M, for any reason (including those relating to wp:admin).
9. No canvassing. There was clearly not any " canvassing". I left a neutral note. At the talkpages of 3 editors. Editors who had divergent views. And who were involved in the CCI discussion to which the ANI related, and which M had referred to.
10. Others. As to the editor M says was "attacked", by me saying that the editor was hounding me? That editor was in fact found to be hounding me. And was interaction banned. While the CCI is appropriate, the editor was indeed banned. As to Spl—I don't recall that as having being part of this CCI, though we did have a strong difference of view on a substantive copyright matter.
12. Retribution and article blanking—withdrawn. I had the honest impression—based on my prior CCI experience of articles being stubbed to one sentence—that M was acting in retribution by not leaving such a 1-sentence stub. [69] I now accept what Moon has helpfully explained. Based on that, my initial impression was mistaken.
13. Close Paraphrase. There seems to be a wide divide between M and Hobit [70] [71] [72] [73]/Geo Swan [74] [75]/Stuart Jamieson [76] (for example), as to what constitutes a "close paraphrase". [77] That's the only substantive difference that M and I have had since the CCI was launched, as far as I can recall. I share the view expressed by Hobit et al. Perhaps someone can suggest a way to determine which view is correct—perhaps even (recognizing that they are busy at the moment) seeking input from one of the foundation lawyers.
As I mentioned to M and Moon a couple of days ago, I have limited access to computers until a week from now, and cannot add diffs from this computer at the moment, so please understand if you only hear from me intermittently (that's also the reason for the delay in this response). Also, if you could copy/paste this into the ANI, that would be appreciated Epeefleche ( talk) 03:19, 24 November 2011 (UTC)
Decline reason:
Clearing the unblock requests, declining at this time but encourage user to continue discussion about possible agreement to unblock and resubmit when an accord has been reached. WGFinley ( talk) 22:57, 6 December 2011 (UTC)
If you want to make any further unblock requests, please read the guide to appealing blocks first, then use the {{ unblock}} template again. If you make too many unconvincing or disruptive unblock requests, you may be prevented from editing this page until your block has expired. Do not remove this unblock review while you are blocked.
The common sense thing to do here (and while I do think there's a good number of copyvios that Eppefleche was - probably out of ignorance - responsible for, see Targeted killing, I also think the indef block was excessive and unjustified) is to unblock him but request that he first participate fully and in good faith in the clean up, before he resumes normal editing. So...
That way it's a win-win. The copyvios get cleaned up faster and Epee gets to go back to normal editing. While copyvio is a very serious concern, 1) it's actually a Wikipedia wide problem and who knows how many people do it, a random selection of articles suggests that it's pretty common - and this is because we NEVER educate editors as to how not to commit copyvios (hell, "NO COPYVIOs" isn't even one of the main pillars!), and 2) these seem to have been made in good faith. I think at some point Eppefleche got a little defensive and rather than helping to resolve his old mistakes made things worse by his comments and posts - but still, I don't see how keeping the indef block in place would benefit either him/her or the project.
Volunteer Marek
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Posting on behalf of Epeefleche, with permission; copied from his email to me.
@Close Para issue, etc. Mkat (himself) wrote: "Fact: everything I've seen Epeefleche create since the CCI started is copyvio-free." [78]
I've been asked to share my understanding as to what constitutes a "close paraphrase" (CP). A CP is a copyviolation. One must, as described below, limit similarity in creative linguistic characteristics and structure to the point that they are non-substantial. [79] [80] [81]
US caselaw suggests that there is not a copyviolation unless the copying is "substantial" both in quantity and in quality. Courts consider additional factors that include: a) the size of the entire work vs the copied text, b) the level of creativity in the copied text, c) the uniqueness and intricacy of the copied text, and d) how "central" the copied text is. [82] [83]
When CP has been asserted, I've sought to address concerns via good faith remediation. As Unscintillating indicates, I did this in the Berman article. [84] [85] I've also tried to engage the asserter in discussion on the article talkpage, if remediation did not satisfy him. As suggested by our rules on CP. See the Berman talkpage.
As Moon said, " Sometimes there are good faith disagreements as to what constitutes a close paraphrase. It happens". As Hobit, Jamieson, and Geo's extensive comments at ANI indicate, this was the case with Berman edit # 3. They all thought that the text deleted in that edit was not a CP. Feist and its progeny are relevant US caselaw. [86] [87]
5 But the key take-away is that even in that instance, I sought to remediate and address any felt concerns.
In the future, where a CP violation would otherwise exist, I'll apply more often Mkat's suggestion that "in-text attribution is a way around the problem". Excision is another solution. Another remedy is the use in accordance with our non-free content policy of a short quotation. Use—if available—of public domain or compatibly licensed sources avoids the issue, as does permission of the copyright holder. It can also be helpful to use multiple refs. [88] [89] [90]
To avoid causing confusion, I'm not responding to any of his words in this edit, but just sharing them. :) -- Moonriddengirl (talk) 23:56, 26 November 2011 (UTC)
Epeefleche, who should be back at a computer with web access soon, sends the following:
Passed along verbatim at his request. -- Moonriddengirl (talk) 00:30, 28 November 2011 (UTC)
The problem here has not been in your clean up work; the problem has been in your insinuative and aggressive stance towards Mkativerata and some of the others who have addressed copyright issues with you. I don't remember ever having any particular problems with you myself, but I've been shocked by the way you have pursued the recent work on your CCI and am actually impressed that Mkativerata is persisting in the face of it. I have seen CCI cleaners run off of CCIs before by aggressive CCI subjects; it's a major source of disruption in that thankless and understaffed field. You certainly would be welcome (by me, anyway) to rewrite problematic content from scratch. But you have to stay out of the way of people evaluating it and not follow along repeatedly asking "What's wrong with this article?" And you certainly can't personalize it in the way that you have. There are literally thousands of articles to be evaluated; nobody will ever be able to finish if you do that. And there is a growing body of evidence that there are problems in many articles.
CCI will undoubtedly cost some content that is not a copyright problem. That's unfortunate. One of the main purposes of CCI is to try to avoid this, by giving each article evaluation, but it is not completely avoidable since we cannot access all of your sources and we are not able to presume that any of the content you wrote in this period is free of problems. There will very likely be points in the CCI when somebody will blank an article you wrote because it looks like it might have been copied and the sources can't be checked. In the ordinary course of "copyright problem" board work, we don't delete content because it looks like it might have been copied. In a CCI, we sometimes must. CCI remains preferable to the alternative, which is the presumptive deletion of everything per Wikipedia:Copyright violations.
The most constructive way you can contribute is not to say "Prove this one is a problem" but to simply replace challenged text with new, rewritten from scratch. It may not be fun, especially if you think that the original text was fine, but it is the most expeditious way to get through the tedious work of evaluating each of these articles and replacing any confirmed or likely problems. Nobody wants to have to do this, but unfortunately your work in this period has required it. While it may not be a copyright standard you would adopt for Wikipedia, it is the one the community has embraced. Given your skills, I'm pretty sure you could be a force for good in this if you would just put your focus to the cleanup instead of challenging the need for it. :) Barring that, I think your only other option would be to just stay out of the way and do your work elsewhere.
To that end, I have a proposal. I'm not going to unblock you myself, but will reproduce this next paragraph at ANI for community input. It's possible that my proposal will be shot down. :)
I would support your unblock if you would pledge to stop slowing progress (1) by challenging (openly or by insinuation) the existence of the problem and/or (2) by casting aspersions on the competence or motivations of the people doing the work and would instead agree to focus (if you work on the CCI at all) on rewriting content from scratch. Alternatively, I would support your unblock if you were topic banned from the CCI - which would mean staying away from any article tagged as a problem until after it has been resolved and from the people who tag them in any venue. Because I'm never comfortable with silencing people, I would be okay in that case with your having one acceptable person to whom you can email, agreed upon by the community at ANI. This will avoid you becoming a target of an actual vendetta if somebody should choose to take advantage of your vulnerable position. Email to one neutral, designated person rather than on-Wiki communication would eliminate any unintended disruption, as public aspersions on a CCI volunteer in any venue may have a "chilling" effect especially if others are influenced by your accusations. If the person chosen for you to contact agrees there is an issue, he or she may raise it in an appropriate venue.
Apologies for the length. -- Moonriddengirl (talk) 12:53, 24 November 2011 (UTC)
Just for context here, the scenario you describe certainly can happen, but this is not always what we are seeing with Epeefleche. Since I can't reproduce the whole thing here per our policies, this was the first paragraph in the source used for the article Benny Bass (now rev deleted):
Regarding Benny Bass, Jack Dempsey was quoted as saying: "He is the greatest fighter of his weight and inches I have ever set my eyes upon." At a diminutive 5' 2", Benny possessed a bull neck and extraordinary musculature around his shoulders & biceps. He was a powerful force & rarely fought at over 130 pounds. Bass was one of the hardest punchers ever in the featherweight & jr. lightweight divisions. Contemporary Ring Magazine writer, Francis Albertani, described Benny as "A deadly puncher, cool as the proverbial pebble under fire & a masterful boxer."
This was the first paragraph Epeefleche placed in the article. For clarity, I'm bolding precise duplication.
Regarding Benny Bass, Jack Dempsey was quoted as saying: "He is the greatest fighter of his weight and inches I have ever set my eyes upon."[citation omitted] At a diminutive 5' 2", Benny possessed a bull neck and extraordinary musculature around his shoulders & biceps. He was a powerful force & rarely fought at over 130 pounds. Bass was one of the hardest punchers ever in the featherweight and junior lightweight divisions. Contemporary Ring Magazine writer, Francis Albertani, described Benny as "A deadly puncher, cool as the proverbial pebble under fire and a masterful boxer."
The third to the last paragraph in the source says:
Benny was no dummy, however, and even though he lacked much formal scholastic training he had a sharp mind, as evinced by his fluency in five languages. Applying himself with the same resolve he had displayed in the ring, Benny passed a Civil Service exam and worked a desk job for the Philadelphia traffic courts for many years.
This the last paragraph Epeefleche placed in that section:
Benny was no dummy, however, and even though he lacked much formal scholastic training he had a sharp mind, as evinced by his fluency in five languages. Applying himself with the same resolve he had displayed in the ring, Benny passed a Civil Service exam and worked a desk job for the Philadelphia traffic courts for many years.
Some of the content between was original, I believe most of it was not. This remained in publication for years before it was detected, I'm afraid.
While this is among the more extreme set of examples, it is not alone. Epeefleche may have improved his practices in recent years (I'm told he has and don't doubt it), but his violations of copyright policy in articles like these are pretty blatant. -- Moonriddengirl (talk) 12:01, 7 December 2011 (UTC)
The opinion, deciding a case brought by two human rights groups, the Public Committee Against Torture in Israel and the Palestinian Society for the Protection of Human Rights and the Environment, set forth [note: preceeding is not even mentioned in Haaretz, and thus is more of a problem with WP:V what is allowed and what is prohibited, and the directives it gave assured future judicial oversight of all cases in which a targeted killing exceeds the limits of these rules. If it should turn out that a targeted killing was illegal, it might lead to a trial and the paying of compensation to the innocent civilians who were hurt by it. Under the ruling, those involved in causing terror are civilians who have lost the protection granted to civilians "for the period of time during which they take direct part in hostile acts." The question of whether they continue to constitute a threat must be scrutinized carefully before a targeted-killing order is issued. Such an order must not be issued as an act of revenge, punishment, or deterrence, but only in prevention. The information that a civilian became a participant in hostile acts must be sufficiently well-founded. The threat must be "strong and persuasive", and the person must be party to "ongoing action that does not limit itself to concrete sporadic or one-time action." Also, targeted killing must not be engaged in when an arrest may be made without real danger to the lives of soldiers; and targeted killing should be avoided if it will lead to disproportionate collateral harm to innocent civilians.
Bus stop the problem is this Epeefleche wrote "I don't see the copyvio that is claimed as warranted deletion of this article" (and much else like that). If (s)he were not obfuscating, and publicly recognising that (s)he was still breaking copyright policy as late as September last year, (s)he would not have put the word "claimed" in there, because if one accepts the evidence then the sentence would read "I don't see the copyvio(s) [in the article] as warranting deletion of this all of the article".
Even in his/her latest posting in this thread, while there is an acknowledgement of "some of my earliest entries ... [mumble 4.5 years ago] ... were not appropriate", there is still equivocation (as it may be that some edits last month were still "not appropriate"). Epeefleche has yet to answer the simple questions:
We know that as recently as 30 September 2010 (s)he when (s)he created the article targeted killing (s)he was was still breaking Wikipedia copyright policy in articles on this site, and before we can go forward, we need to know when it stopped. (S)he is not helping other editors or herself/himself by fudging an answer to these questions. If Epeefleche has had an epiphany, then (s)he should be willing to stop fudging and give clear precise answers. -- PBS ( talk) 08:50, 9 December 2011 (UTC)
I’ve carefully reviewed this thread and ancillary issues pertaining to it. I have come to the following conclusions.
Epeefleche’s old copyviolations should be and are in fact being deleted. He apologized for his lapses. He reiterated that he does not intend to be disruptive. The community should give him the benefit of the doubt and Assume Good Faith. AGF is not merely an empty slogan and it should be applied here where the user has expressed genuine contrition for his actions.
Others on this thread have correctly pointed out that his recent text entries do not have those problems.
He has been blocked for over two weeks now and under the totality of circumstances an unblock now seems to be the appropriate way to conclude this matter. I am certain that the events that gave rise to this unfortunate affair will not be repeated.-- Jiujitsuguy ( talk) 17:58, 9 December 2011 (UTC)
I have been involved in contentious discussions where Epeefleche has impressed me with the cogency of his discourse. I am also often impressed with his industrious efforts as an editor. I find an indefinite block to be somewhat excessive and feel that in all probability the editor and wikipedia would be better served with a finite block and a limited range block. There are certainly areas that the editor could continue to be productive in without getting into the same area where he has gotten in to the trouble at issue here.-- TonyTheTiger ( T/ C/ BIO/ WP:CHICAGO/ WP:FOUR) 01:22, 11 December 2011 (UTC)
After reviewing the discussion, it appears that the obvious violations were in old articles, not new ones, and that Epeefleche has pledged not to disrupt CCI again. Based on this statement, unless something new comes to light in the next couple of hours, I plan to unblock. Jayjg (talk) 19:42, 12 December 2011 (UTC)
O.K., I will unblock Epeefleche based on the statements above. Epeefleche, as a condition of unblocking, please stay away from WP:CCI, and please do not complain about or hinder the efforts of editors who are attempting to ameliorate any perceived copyvio issues with articles you have created or material you have added. Jayjg (talk) 23:17, 12 December 2011 (UTC)
Thanks from me and the wiki Victuallers ( talk) 08:04, 23 November 2011 (UTC)
Just some friendly advice, but I think its pointless arguing with Kiftaan about Sunni percentages. This guy insists there are only two sects in a homogeneous islam, despite articles such as Islamic sects proving him wrong. I've tried, but debating him is circular. You just end up repeeating the same thing over and over but it does not enter his brain. Pass a Method talk 18:47, 16 December 2011 (UTC)
OffToRioRob a.k.a. YouReallyCan left a late-hit snide remark on my talk page after he and another editor tag-teamed at Demi Moore. This, after one snide, childish remark after another. Ah, well — at some point Wikipedia will mature and we'll have to have credentials and our real names to edit here, and things will be better. With regards, Tenebrae ( talk) 06:06, 18 December 2011 (UTC)
I asked for temporary semi-protection of that vandal's target page, and they've granted it. ← Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 21:29, 20 December 2011 (UTC)
Yes you're right about it. I too wondered if there might not be another page, but I had to leave the computer before I could follow it up. Article deleted. fwiw, the deWP page is probably a copyvio also. Does your unified password work there? I cant recover the password I used for it. DGG ( talk ) 02:08, 21 December 2011 (UTC)
Dear esteemed Epeefleche,
I humbly seek clarification concerning the email I received from MediaWiki Mail on Thu, Dec 22, 2011 at 1:48 PM, entitled "Wikipedia page User talk:Bluesguy62 has been created by Epeefleche." The email informed me that "The Wikipedia page "User talk:Bluesguy62" has been created on 22 December 2011 by Epeefleche, with the edit summary: Notification: speedy deletion nomination of Sekolah Kebangsaan Bukit Sekilau. ( TW)"
Further details concerning the issue are as follows: 20:23, 22 December 2011 Fastily (talk | contribs) deleted "Sekolah Kebangsaan Bukit Sekilau" (G12: Unambiguous copyright infringement of )
At this juncture, allow me to clarify that the official website of the school at < http://skbs.freehostia.com/> was deleted by Freehostia in May 2010 after two successive successful hacking attempts; because (according to Freehostia) the website posed a security risk to other users of their free webhosting service.
Next, with regard to the deleted article and website, allow me to confirm that I, Abdul Aziz Sanford (bluesguy62@gmail.com) am the webmaster and sole copyright owner of all materials contained within; as well as a teacher at the school since 2004. All the text is my own composition, and all images were either scanned by me from old photographs/documents or captured by the school's photographers or yours truly.
I may be contacted by email <bluesguy62@gmail.com>, my cellphone 012-9855262 or the following mailing address: Abdul Aziz Sanford, Sekolah Kebangsaan Bukit Sekilau, 25200 Kuantan, Pahang, Malaysia.
Kindly also allow me to share the fact that my exact text has been reproduced without my permission on websites such as: (1) < http://www.thefullwiki.org/Sekolah_Kebangsaan_Bukit_Sekilau>, (2) < http://www.facebook.com/pages/Sekolah-Kebangsaan-Bukit-Sekilau-Kuantan/327828849169?sk=info>, (3) < http://www.facebook.com/pages/Sekolah-Kebangsaan-Bukit-Sekilau/139262229434679> and (4) < http://wn.com/Sekolah_Kebangsaan_Bukit_Sekilau>.
Last but not least, I do declare that the sole intention of creating the Wikipedia page in question was to share information about the school with the world, and nothing else. It took me one year to gather the needed materials. I thank you for reading this humble submission. God bless and take care.
Yours humbly, Abdul Aziz Sanford @ bluesguy62 Bluesguy62 ( talk) 21:46, 22 December 2011 (UTC)
Dear Epeefleche: Thank you for the advice. It is much appreciated. bluesguy62 Bluesguy62 ( talk) 16:02, 14 April 2012 (UTC)
At the last AFD I proposed that article issues could be addressed procatively, but did not do it myself at that time. I am so glad that being an asmin allowed me the ability to look at the copyvio-deleted versions so I could better understand how it could be best addressed... a total rewrite based upon the one remaining sentence. And in the year since the last AFD, just enough new sources were available (un-found by the nominator) to allow a better article. And too, I disagree with the nominator's insinuation that the notable BAFTA Scotland is both non-notable and somehow not a part of BAFTA... making that organization's recognizing and encouraging New Talent as dismissable. The mop is a handy thing to have. :) Schmidt, MICHAEL Q. 21:29, 25 December 2011 (UTC)
Rather than take so many primary/elementary schools to AfD, under the principles of WP:BRD it would be much better if you dealt with them directly i.e. delete the content and merge/redirect to the appropriate school district or community. If anyone objects to a particular article being dealt with in this way then revert it (assuming they didn't) and take it to AfD instead. If you do redirect then remember to leave {{ Redirect from school}} on the page. -- Bob Re-born ( talk) 09:04, 25 December 2011 (UTC)
I was wondering if you were intending to nominate the other schools in Category:Primary schools in Surrey in addition to the 2 you've already done? Fmph ( talk) 21:22, 29 December 2011 (UTC)
If I may make a suggestion: why not simply blank and redirect obviously non notable primary schools as most editors and admins (who are aware of the precedent) do anyway according to the rationale I keep putting on all the 100s of sudden AfDs that are turning up this week? It's an uncontroversial operation and a totally accepted procedure even if it's not written in policy. If the creator complains, it can easily be reverted and then sent to AfD. Boldly redirecting would save all the unnecessary bureaucracy, and me and other editors the time having to paste 'Redirect' votes, and another admins having to close all the AfDs - we have huge backlogs of far more complex AfD to cope with that sometimes take an hour or more to resolve.. -- Kudpung กุดผึ้ง ( talk) 11:45, 30 December 2011 (UTC)
Must you really drill me multiple AFD warnings? Kindly give me the links to the AFD pages afterwards. Thankyou.♦ Dr. Blofeld 19:17, 31 December 2011 (UTC)
Remove the speedy tag of Absheron Hotel please, pretty sure its a notable skyscraper in Baku.♦ Dr. Blofeld 19:25, 31 December 2011 (UTC)
Keep is for the article as it is merged into one about the company. I would withdraw the nomination if I was you, the article on the company won't be deleted.♦ Dr. Blofeld 12:09, 1 January 2012 (UTC)
One of the fundamental flaws in the management of Wikipedia is the very mantra that it's 'the encyclopedia anyone can edit'. Personally, I think that is a wonderful founding philosophy and it's what has made it the world's largest online knowledge base. However, it needs controls, so unfortunately it has policies and guidelines, and admins to enforce or implement them. Hence the next flaw is that anyone can vote in sensitive areas such as AfD or RfA. This occasionally results in the paradox that you have illustrated: The majority vote by tally is achieved by the people who turn up to vote, and that the apparent consensus, due to their ignorance of existing policies, guidelines, or precedent, or due to not wanting to recognise those rules, guidelines, or precedents, is in conflict with an existing policy or precedent.To quote TerriersFan:
Firstly, it is predicated on a misapprehension; no-one claims that high schools are 'inherently notable' just that they should be kept on pragmatic grounds, as are designated settlements, fauna and flora, named bridges, numbered highways, airports, super-regional malls, railway stations, high court judges, peers of the realm, religious saints etc. When there is so much work to do on Wikipedia the thought of fighting 50,000 high school articles only to prove that most of them are notable makes me shiver! We have had several attempted standards on schools (and if we are to try again why not include all schools?) and they have all failed in the face of the determined opposition of a minority of editors. What we have is a pragmatic position (redirect most elementary schools (except those clearly notable) and keep high schools (except those that can't be verified)) which allows us to move on to more urgent stuff.
So what is a closing admin to do? -- Kudpung กุดผึ้ง ( talk) 00:37, 2 January 2012 (UTC)
Your recent posting on my talk page seems uncivil, appearing contrary to WP:HARASS and WP:DTTR. For example, advising me about creation of my first article is redundant and demonstrates that you are not reading what is posted in your name. CSD A7 has a very low threshhold and that topic passed it easily in my opinion. For more details, please see this survey which advises that "As a general rule of thumb, if there are references, then the article probably is not deletable via A7.". So it proved in that case, but I expanded the article to make sure. This was personally inconvenient and that's the trouble with speedy deletion - it does not provide any time for a response and so is discourteous. Please see WP:WIHSD for more advice, if you are new to this activity. Warden ( talk) 14:09, 6 January 2012 (UTC)
Well, since an editor has voted "keep", I guess SNOW is out. What I've decided to do is AfD the larger articles; and just BOLD merge/redirect the stubs, as no consensus is needed for a merger and there's already a consensus for those type of edits Purpleback pack 89≈≈≈≈ 21:51, 6 January 2012 (UTC)
For shits and giggles, see the latest contribution. Drmies ( talk) 17:52, 10 January 2012 (UTC)
( talk page stalker) :) Kudpung กุดผึ้ง ( talk) 18:11, 10 January 2012 (UTC)
Would you like an ANI about your i insidious suggestions - and a few other things to boot? Kudpung กุดผึ้ง ( talk) 08:55, 11 January 2012 (UTC)
Did you really think that that was anything other than a joke? If so, how is that possible?
First of all -- what could the COI possibly be? Oh was seeking deletion of a school that had the name Confucius in it. People with real COI seek to create non-notable articles about themselves or something they are connected to. Not delete them. That's pretty obvious, no?
Plus, As you can tell from the top of this page, Oh has corresponded with me for years.
Plus, and most importantly -- in case anyone somehow didn't get it, there was a smiley face at the end of the joke. That means, in common parlance, the same as "jk, jk, jk", and "LOL", and "the aforesaid is a joke". I'm completely thunderstruck, Kud. -- Epeefleche ( talk) 09:04, 11 January 2012 (UTC)
Logical conclusion I'm afraid - everyone here knows I live practically just round the corner from KK uni (I also used to teach there). Perhaps you should make it clear whom you are addressing, and for safety's sake keep the chat off serious discussions ;) Kudpung กุดผึ้ง ( talk) 11:19, 11 January 2012 (UTC)
I don't understand how WP:Music has any say on a reality tv show. WP:Music should stick to music. Kingjeff ( talk) 04:33, 14 January 2012 (UTC)
What was the point of this edit [100]? The Cite News template enters the access date in the d Month year format. Even though I grew up with Month day, year, I don't see any good reason to take the time to hand enter the dates.-- Hjal ( talk) 06:27, 17 January 2012 (UTC)
Another IP address originating from Italy has again removed the same well-sourced material from the Michael Henrich. Either Henrich himself is editing his article (as it's hockey season and he plays in Italy) to omit any published material that cites his lack of ability to make an NHL team, or someone who follows him around Italy is doing it. I suspect it's actually him, as all the IP addresses used since User:Casaroo was blocked originate from Ontario where he lives (the same material was removed from an IP in Toronto, Ontario and from a public library in Tiverton, Ontario in July - assuming home and while on vacation - which if that is the case is a bit disturbing IMHO). I requested that the page be semi-protected previously and was turned down - would you think that a new request is necessary? Clearly warnings do nothing to deter this user, and blocking IPs isn't helping. Semi-protection for a few months would solve the vandalism that is persistent on the article. Thoughts? -- Yankees76 Talk 23:31, 17 January 2012 (UTC)
That article didn't see it coming. A move in 2005 then blam! Put'er down! I'm going through a backlog, would it be cool if I ask your opinion if some seem deletable? - Roy Boy 02:39, 18 January 2012 (UTC)
I've taken out about half of Paradise Park, Cornwall, a page you tagged as a copyright violation. I think that the remaining stuff, while similar to what is on their website, passes on the safe side of WP:Close paraphrasing, so I removed the G12 rather than deleting. However, if you have time, it would be great if you could take another look at it and see if maybe I'm just missing more copyvios. Qwyrxian ( talk) 02:41, 18 January 2012 (UTC)
Would you mind clarifying your stance on the copyvio to the other editor in yes/no since the current list does not mirror the format of the original (actually it is pretty ugly here) and I've been reverted on re-adding - also see my edit summary. [101]. Thanks. -- lTopGunl ( talk) 01:55, 20 January 2012 (UTC)
Thanks, just started adding refs. I will try to add more refs from now on. -- B for Bandetta ( talk) 01:47, 25 January 2012 (UTC)
If you go to any outback Australian town, you'll notice that there are a couple of permanent structures which form the centre of the town: a school, a pub, a war memorial and one and/or another of a railway station, police station or another pub. Take, for example, Junee, population ~3000, Maps which was practically built around Junee Public School. It's likely the same all over the planet, not just Junee.
These schools are the centres of their communities. Through their existence they have significant impact on the local history (and also, by definition, education) per WP:ORGIN. Now, for some schools its going to be hard to have anything but a stub verifying the existence of the school. In those cases it's better for the content to be merged into the locality (where, who knows, it may be able to incubate). But for schools where a bit more can be, or has been written, then that article deserves a little bit more consideration. Agree?
Junnee Public School, by the way, was founded in 1880 and is therefore one of the oldest schools in Australia. A number of its buildings are heritage listed. *shrug* ˜ danjel [ talk | contribs ] 05:03, 25 January 2012 (UTC)
You seem intent on putting words in my mouth. Where you see precedent, I see a one-off not-particularly-notable unusual occurrence. And we shouldn't need 'expert' or local knowledge to know if a subject is notable. The sources should tell us. Sorry, but you haven't convinced me of anything yet. 12:16, 25 January 2012 (UTC)
My view is I'm happy to go with whatever the consensus view is. One problem with this of course is that different editors describe the consensus view differently. But there seems to be a general consensus on most articles. A notability guideline on schools would clarify the matter further, and streamline discussion.
I hear your view, and if there were consensus support for it, I would actively support application of it. I don't see that support. If you can create it, I will support you, but until then I think it may not be in the best interest of all to apply a notability approach at AfDs themselves that is contrary to the notability approach we've seen garner consensus support at those AfDs that we both have been at. Better to seek to garner that support on talkpages, I think. IMHO, of course.
As to tone -- as I said, I think that conversation has become polarized, but there is no need for it. I don't think that personally directed remarks do much to win third parties over. Just the opposite. I would suggest that all tone down the snarkiness, to raise the intellectual level of the discourse. That's not giving in. That's just effective wiki discussion, IMHO.
Best.-- Epeefleche ( talk) 08:46, 28 January 2012 (UTC)
I have started this, will give it more attention this evening.-- Mike - Μολὼν λαβέ 22:08, 25 January 2012 (UTC)
Hi Epeefleche. Was reviewing CSD and came upon Walter Bosshard. The article is certainly deletable as the text stands now, but there is a detailed article on the German Wikipedia about him. I will try to expand with my limited German and help from brother Google. -- Samir 22:48, 27 January 2012 (UTC)
just a heads up on the article that just closed as delete at AfD. Don't know how you came across it but there were a ton of redirects. Just a heads up in case his article pops up again. StarM 23:47, 29 January 2012 (UTC)
While I understood and accepted yor concern, the way you expressed it makes me wondering whether you spend too much time in wikipedia or simply disrespect the colleagues who are not well versed in policies, guidelines, traditions and other wikilore and wikilaw. Lom Konkreta ( talk) 02:09, 31 January 2012 (UTC)
I am questioning your decision to eliminate numerous GAA pages. Yes, these competitions are amateur, but if you use that rationale you should eliminate all GAA pages since the organization is an amateur body. You could use the same rationale to eliminate many rugby pages, but I do not see you doing this. Yes, some pages by some users are badly written, and contain elements of bias, but these articles contain important GAA info. If you understood the nature of the sport, you would see that the small parish club playing in its own local competition is as important as Kerry playing in Croke Park. I have tried to clean up some articles, but it takes time to get to to the hundreds of different ones that have been set up. Good manners are rather uncommon nowadays, but please try to provide some common courtesy. Pmunited ( talk) 17:08, 3 February 2012 (UTC)
When I first started with Wikipedia, there were extensive articles on these types of competitions in several different counties. I began to add the few I was most familiar with - Cork, Waterford, Clare. I would argue that to a GAA fan, these are important, as any club will on its own website will list not just their senior success, but also their minor, under-21 etc. I feel that Wikipedia should have this information. I have generally refrained from adding articles on "B" competitions, unless I have complete data. I am in the process of adding the sources that I have for many of the competitions that you have challenged. If I do not have sources at hand, I will notify you and understand if you proceed as indicated. One possible problem I do see is with the Waterford competitions. I began those, but several others have added lots of data since on teams, scores, etc. I am not sure if I have sources available. Pmunited ( talk) 20:49, 5 February 2012 (UTC)
Greetings Epeefleche and Pmunited - I'm not unfortunately au fait with a lot of the language used around deletion policies and notability on Wikipedia. Just to suppport Pmunited's broad stance on the issue at hand. Some of the articles proposed for speedy deletion were created by me. I will do my best to supply sources and references. Best wishes. Heshs Umpire ( talk) 13:31, 6 February 2012 (UTC)
Epeefleche, I still disagree with you concerning the notability of these GAA articles. I believe that you cannot get a full understanding of GAA from only the senior competitions. The whole ethos of the GAA is the local club. All competitions are amateur. The other grades are very important - indeed most clubs do not play at senior level. I will continue to add sources for as many articles as possible this week. I do think you are taking an over aggressive position in many places, where you have deleted large amounts of information. Pmunited ( talk) 16:54, 6 February 2012 (UTC)
I would add my support to the two other contributors, we are only doing our best to help build a record of such competitions for people to be able to access, admittedly in certain cases references are difficult to find, if they exist in published form at all, but in spite of this are quite accurate records of the competitions in question. And yet that work is been disregarded by someone who doesn't understand where we come from on this subject, hiding behind this 'notability' nonsense. Not the first time this has happened on wikipedia, makes you wonder why bother with it at all. BlackWhite77 ( talk) 02:09, 18 February 2012 (UTC)
Folks, Further to what Epeefleche says if you believe these articles are notable in the sense that the subjects are well known within the GAA world; but that they are not notable in the Wikipedia sense of being noted in Neutral, Independent, Reliable sources with enough detail that we can write an article - Then why not consider moving them to writing them on our sister site Wikia? Wikia doesn't have any notability requirements and will happily take your articles within a specific sub wiki all about GAA. Stuart.Jamieson ( talk) 09:10, 18 February 2012 (UTC)
thanks for the message, let me know if there is a 2nd AFD nomination, also it happend during the Afd disscution of Arsames (band), where the writter of article is the promotor of the band! and I think the article is not proper for wikipedia. plz take a look. Spada II ♪♫ ( talk) 07:55, 4 February 2012 (UTC)
Sorry, but your nomination of User:PJKs shirt/Southmoor Primary School is a disgrace. Please respect someone userspace and the drafts in it. Night of the Big Wind talk 11:50, 9 February 2012 (UTC)
I hereby complain about your serial nominating. I have only picked out a few to check, and in all cases I could easily find reliable sources. Could you please lower your nomination pace and do a genuine effort to find sources for articles you nominate? I would hate to bring this to Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard, but you are seriously disrupting Wikipedia with your actions. Night of the Big Wind talk 14:48, 9 February 2012 (UTC)
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For not losing your cool in a situation where others might and calmly pointing to policy, it's my very good honor to award you The Civility Barnstar. Achowat ( talk) 21:04, 10 February 2012 (UTC) |
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Hi E. I saw your post on the TV project notice board about KBCH-TV. I thought that I would let you know that the number of editors that respond there has dwindled over the years. In case you don't get a quick response you may want to also post your question at the Wikipedia talk:Notability or even Wikipedia talk:Notability (organizations and companies). I can't guarantee that they will be any better but I jsut wanted to give you some options. For what its worth I don't think it meets wikiP's requirements. Cheers and enjoy your weekend. MarnetteD | Talk 23:30, 10 February 2012 (UTC)
I am somewhat concerned about your recent edits. You seem to be very actively tagging articles for lack of references and nominating articles for deletion. I have not investigated all the articles that you've tagged and nominated but I have been involved in some of the school article that you've nominated for deletion or tagged. I've noticed that you often seem to inappropriately add ref improve tags to articles that already have references. Many of your school AfDs have been flawed. You seem to be under the misconception that all primary schools are non-notable which is not the case. School articles have to comply with WP:N. While perhaps the majority of primary schools will not merit an article in their own right, many do. Some notable historic schools have been caught up in this AfD campaign of yours while regular editors have been busy and not able to help improve and source the articles. Work now has to be done to get these articles restored. Your edit history suggests that you only spend a few minutes looking at each article before tagging it or nominating it. Could I suggest that you devote less time to tagging and deleting and more time to constructive editing by adding useful content and sources. If you are going to tag articles or nominate them for deletion you should spend more time reading the article, checking that references exist and checking to see what sources are available. Dahliarose ( talk) 14:13, 11 February 2012 (UTC)
Hello, I noticed you were interested in that article, so I invite you to please let me know what you think about the following discussion: [108]. Thanks! -- B for Bandetta ( talk) 01:09, 16 February 2012 (UTC)
Of your last 25 Primary-school AfD nominations, two of the 25 resulted in the use of admin deletion tools. These 25 ran from Knoxfield Primary School through Finchale Primary School. The two exceptions are:
FYI, Unscintillating ( talk) 01:50, 20 February 2012 (UTC)
Thank you for the kind words, and help, at the Sleepy Hollow AFD. I appreciate it. Sergecross73 msg me 03:41, 20 February 2012 (UTC)
Epeefleche you need to take the advice of others and back of. You are both as bad as each other and no good will come to either of you by continuing it you both have history. Im saying the same to night. This has dragged on and its clear now neither you are totally in the right.
Also I'm going to point out to you that me and night very rarely get along but in this case he had a point which I'm not saying you didn't but this only came to something when several people had the same issue as night did as i said at before if i had come across this i would of checked your recent prods as I'm sure you would mine to make sure they aren't all the same. Thats where this should of ended before you both felt you were hounding each other. Edinburgh Wanderer 21:02, 20 February 2012 (UTC)
Thanks for your training exercises and kind words at my RfA, which was successful and nearly unanimous. Be among the first to see my L-plate! – Fayenatic L (talk) 14:10, 21 February 2012 (UTC)
You participated in the discussion at Wikipedia:Templates for discussion/Log/2012 January 24#Template:New York cities and mayors of 100.2C000 population. Be advised that I have opened Wikipedia:Deletion review/Log/2012 February 27#User:TonyTheTiger/New York cities and mayors of 100,000 population.-- TonyTheTiger ( T/ C/ BIO/ WP:CHICAGO/ WP:FOUR) 05:21, 27 February 2012 (UTC)
Hi Epeefleche. Despite your hyperactivity, I think this is the first time I've had the pleasure to get in touch with you. I was just a little surprised at your rapid edit of the few red linked additions I made to the France section of the List of female architects yesterday on the basis of coverage on the French Wikipedia. I had taken the same approach with Germany a couple of weeks ago and found it very useful, not just for helping to get the job done (with the assistance of other editors too) but for allowing users in general to look at the articles in other languages. As you will see, all the German red links have now been covered by articles. I hope the same will also be true of the French within a couple of days. In any case, I'm really surprised that a bot added citation tags here rather than to dozens of other red links in similar lists such as List of Swiss architects where there are none at all! In any case, I was not too clear about what you wanted to suggest in your editing comment: was it no red links without non Wikipedia references or was it that you wanted the links to be directed at the corresponding French articles, e.g. fr:Manuelle Gautrand or Manuelle Gautrand (see French Wikipedia article)? Personally, it seemed to me more honest to be specific about the fact that all the red links were related to articles in the FR WP. Anyway, the important thing is to continue proper article coverage and that's what I've been trying to do for the past two or three weeks, already adding over 30 new articles so as to eliminate red links from the list. But thanks once again for your interest and encouragement. - Ipigott ( talk) 14:05, 2 March 2012 (UTC)
On behalf of WP:CHICAGO, I would like to thank you for your contributions to Robert Dover (equestrian), which has fairly recently achieved WP:GA status.
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-- TonyTheTiger ( T/ C/ BIO/ WP:CHICAGO/ WP:FOUR) 20:00, 18 March 2012 (UTC)
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A discussion is taking place as to whether the article Roshonara Choudhry is suitable for inclusion in Wikipedia according to Wikipedia's policies and guidelines or whether it should be deleted.
The article will be discussed at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Roshonara Choudhry until a consensus is reached, and anyone is welcome to contribute to the discussion. The nomination will explain the policies and guidelines which are of concern. The discussion focuses on high-quality evidence and our policies and guidelines.
Users may edit the article during the discussion, including to improve the article to address concerns raised in the discussion. However, do not remove the article-for-deletion template from the top of the article. Delicious carbuncle ( talk) 02:23, 6 April 2012 (UTC)
Failing to achieve consensus, he 'sneaked back' and removed terrorist term.
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Looking at the edit history of List of gymnasts and the talk you appear to be interested in the topic. I hope you see the small changes I have made as positive. To me the FIG record link feels important on the simple basis that it is the official record of the gymnast's competitions (unless, of course, you know different). After head scratching and a failed experiment with footnoting, the table layout, painful as it is to create, looks to me as if it will provide the best result.
I've also removed the exclusion of non listed disciplines, something that struck me as odd.
I'm by no means a follower of gymnastics. I arrived in this area by happenstance, like so much of WIkipedia. Fiddle Faddle ( talk) 11:23, 6 October 2012 (UTC)
I just noticed you started editing again! It's good to see you back. :) I, Jethrobot drop me a line (note: not a bot!) 20:03, 6 October 2012 (UTC)
Greetings, Epeefleche. For the last couple of months, I've been working on standardizing and expanding the biography articles for U.S. Olympic swimmers. As part of my efforts, I've been cleaning up the redirects from past article renamings, and replacing redirect links with direct links to current article names. During this process, I stumbled across List of swimmers, and to be blunt, the reason for the article's existence as a stand-alone list in its present format escapes me. We already have lists of Olympic medalists, FINA world championship medalists, Pan Am Games medalists, Pan Pacific Games medalists, Commonwealth Games medalists, plus navbox footers for the champions each event of those games, plus categories for medalists and participants in the Olympics and other major regional games. There are also category break-outs by nationality, and by stroke and gender.
This list seems to have no particular purpose, no criteria for inclusion beyond being a notable swimmer, and is certainly no even close to being comprehensive in coverage. In short, this list seems to be completely redundant to better other better developed swimmer lists with better, more specifically defined criteria for inclusion. I have read your talk page comments to User:Lexein, and would ask you to share your thoughts as to what should be done with this unwieldy beast. IMHO, the present list has multiple notability and basic WP list criteria problems. Dirtlawyer1 ( talk) 20:40, 23 October 2012 (UTC)
I think you are commenting outside your domain of expertise. You had struck recipients of the Knight's Cross, who as holders aof the highest military award, are noteable. That is why I rewoked your change. If you had removed lesser "aces" I would not have opposed your change. MisterBee1966 ( talk) 08:34, 14 November 2012 (UTC)
What I dislike here is this destructive attitude you are showing. Your behavior reminds me a bit of The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy. You demolish the article and later claim that I could have known better if I only I would have read "the rules". "Legally" you may be right but morally you are wrong! By your token of argumentation you could castrate half the articles on Wikipedia. Keep it up and you will make many friends here, you already made one. You don't have to bother and respond. Enjoy MisterBee1966 ( talk) 22:56, 14 November 2012 (UTC)
"A person may be included in a list of people if all the following requirements are met:
- ... If a person in a list does not have an article in Wikipedia about them, a citation (or link to another article) must be provided to establish their membership in the list's group and to establish their notability...
- The person's membership in the list's group is established by reliable sources."
I was wondering if you might, since you are interested in this article, help me with some legwork? The table format seems to be much better than a pure list, and it gives us FIG references, so I was wondering if you would consider having a go occasionally at a few tables there. I have a strong suspicion that those with no FIG references are unlikely to be notable at all, though the FIG listing is no guarantee of notability ether. It is, however a reference that a person of this name is a gymnast, so is an indicator of at least potential notability. Fiddle Faddle ( talk) 08:01, 15 November 2012 (UTC)
Have I satisfied your reference and notability concerns? ClaudeReigns ( talk) 20:14, 12 December 2012 (UTC)
Ep - Welcome back, long time no see. I've tweaked a couple of your edits today and wanted to make you aware of a couple of formatting decisions made at WP:NBA that you may not have been aware of. First, the format for the college years shown in parentheses after a player's school is (XXXX-XXXX) (but with an endash), as opposed to (XXXX-XX). This is to mirror the format used in the club history section. The other relatively recent consensus was not to Wikilink countries in the "nationality" field. It's considered over linking now. Keep up the good work and good to see you again. Rikster2 ( talk) 23:07, 13 December 2012 (UTC)
I see you started the long-needed cleanup of these pages; almost all of them are to some extent copyvio. I've been deleting the ones that are entirely copyvio in an obvious way, but in most cases it's a complicated mix of copyvio & paraphrase from various sources. In such cases, the simplest think to do is to look for a noncopyvio version earlier in the history to revert to--usually there's a clear point at which large amounts of content start being added. Normally I just revert, but if it's particularly bad I delete the later versions--If you want to do it, the simplest way might be to just ask me, since I am unfortunately familiar with this sort of article Otherwise, the officially recommended way to delete copyvio versions or to handle more complicated situations is to list them at copyright problems, but that process is so backlogged that if I can deal with a quick rewrite, sometimes I try to do that immediately--but nobody has to, and if you are feeling too frustrated by this awful mess that has accumulated, just list them. Either I or someone else will get there. DGG ( talk ) 00:38, 31 December 2012 (UTC)
Here is the last revision of the Corruption Perceptions Index chart before it was blanked. This chart was started in 2006.
I noticed your informed opinions at the talk page for Wikipedia:Copyright in lists. This essay should not be used to delete charts from Wikipedia. It is an essay, and not a guideline.
For more info see: Template talk:Corruption Perceptions/Corruption perceptions index#Data and copyright and the following talk sections. Your opinion there and/or at Wikipedia talk:Copyright in lists#This is an essay, not a guideline would be appreciated. -- Timeshifter ( talk) 06:26, 2 January 2013 (UTC)
Hi, I've put the text back , with a few sources that I've found after a quick search. (I have to get to bed early tonight). The rules, including WP:V, are not a suicide pact, and there is no deadline. Graham 87 14:45, 3 January 2013 (UTC)
I saw where you posted, like you wanted. I went with my gut. It's difficult when there are a limited number of criticisms from a wide array of sources, so I went with something general and darn the weasel. It may not be to your liking; that's just how I read the article. Drop by and comment if you have the time. Wikilove, ClaudeReigns ( talk) 12:39, 14 January 2013 (UTC)
Hi Epeefleche! Thanks for the reminder. I will try to give editors more time. Way2veers ( talk) 19:35, 9 February 2013 (UTC)
Epeefleche, thank you for your support during my recent RfA. If I can be of assistance to you in the future, as an editor with a legal background or otherwise, please let me know. Regards, Dirtlawyer1 ( talk) 11:13, 13 February 2013 (UTC)
Hi there. Please consider not PRODing or not AfDing non notable primary (elementary) and middle schools. Instead, in order to save time and user resources, please consider redirecting them yourself according to the long standing precedent documented at WP:SCHOOLOUTCOMES. To do this, please ensure that the school is at least listed on the target page which should generally be the article about the school district (in the USA) or the article about the school's location. Please remember to include the {{ R from school}} on the redirect page as it automatically populates an important category, and if you need any help, don't hesitate to ask me on my talk page. -- Kudpung กุดผึ้ง ( talk) 23:42, 14 February 2013 (UTC)
Your recent editing history at New York Hippodrome shows that you are currently engaged in an edit war. Being involved in an edit war can result in you being blocked from editing—especially if you violate the three-revert rule, which states that an editor must not perform more than three reverts on a single page within a 24-hour period. Undoing another editor's work—whether in whole or in part, whether involving the same or different material each time—counts as a revert. Also keep in mind that while violating the three-revert rule often leads to a block, you can still be blocked for edit warring—even if you don't violate the three-revert rule—should your behavior indicate that you intend to continue reverting repeatedly.
To avoid being blocked, instead of reverting please consider using the article's talk page to work toward making a version that represents consensus among editors. See BRD for how this is done. You can post a request for help at a relevant noticeboard or seek dispute resolution. In some cases, you may wish to request temporary page protection. I hate to use templates in this situation, but the two of you need to cut it out ASAP. I suggest you both walk away from the article for a couple of days ( ✉→ BWilkins ←✎) 10:28, 22 February 2013 (UTC)
Hi Epeefleche! Just dropping you a note to let you know that {{ wikify}} has been deprecated in favor of more specific templates, such as {{ underlinked}}. Since the release version of AWB is still automatically adding {{ wikify}}, I suggest you install the latest SVN snapshot instead, which has a lot of fixes in it. Thanks, and happy editing! GoingBatty ( talk) 02:51, 26 February 2013 (UTC)
I'm not sure how to use wiki and hopefully i'm not causing any problems by sending you a message. I saw you added a lot of information to the Assyrian people page and was wondering if you could add my father to the list. His name is Edison David http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edison_David and he already has a Wiki page I asked someone else to build. If you can do this and need any info or pics from me let me know, I am willing to help how ever possible.
Thomas
I responded to your comment at Wikipedia:Featured article candidates/Juwan Howard/archive5.-- TonyTheTiger ( T/ C/ BIO/ WP:CHICAGO/ WP:FOUR) 04:18, 3 March 2013 (UTC)
I redirected his article to the TV show article because it's clear he's not notable as an MMA fighter. He has none of the 3 top tier fights required to meet WP:NMMA. I thought redirecting the article was better than having it deleted, but I can put it up for AfD, if you prefer. I would prefer that you remove your reversion, but that is your decision. Papaursa ( talk) 02:18, 18 March 2013 (UTC)
My recommendation would be to take the discussion to either the basketball/NBA talk page or an MOS talk page (if one exists) with a note inviting basketball editors to join. As I pointed out, the format isn't just basketball, it's used in association football as well (another sport whose seasons span 2 calendar years). I honestly don't care about format, I care about consistency. The proposal would be received best if you volunteered to be part of the solution should the format be changed - in other words be willing to go through and change some of the literally thousands of articles this would impact. Rikster2 ( talk) 11:31, 21 March 2013 (UTC)
One failing I see in the conversation is the unusual degree of subjective "ILIKEIT" reasoning. Sometimes it is admitted to. Sometimes it appears to be just below the surface. Sometimes it is masked by assertions (voiced as FACTS) that lack diffs to reflect whether the assertions are valid. Many times those are accompanied by some claim of expertise (e.g., "I edit many articles", "I edit many basketball articles", "I know what readers find normal-looking"). While at times it is difficult to find support for statements, those such as "adding extra digits that impart zero information makes it more readable" is both counter-intuitive and at odds with style books such as that of Strunk and White, which say precisely the opposite. Similarly, its quite evident if one checks actual usage that the MOS-compliant format is the leading one as reflected: a) in ghits generally, b) in basketball (on both sides of the pond) and hockey and American football official league websites, c) in wikipedia generally, and d) in wikipedia basketball articles generally. This has been overwhelmingly reflected with diffs. Bald, un-supported, and possibly baseless assertions as to "present majority practice" are rather unconvincing, and appear to be "reaching" when there is such diff evidence to the contrary. And are of lesser moment in any event -- as I said, if all tiddlywinks articles were ALL CAPS .... that would not be a deciding factor (I would hope), when weighed against everything else.
And yes -- this issue goes beyond sports articles. Think, for example, companies that have fiscal years that do not start on January 1. It is a project-wide issue.
Perhaps most dumbfounding to me is that editors are suggesting: a) that infoboxes should have 8 digits, but that b) text should have 6 digits. Not only is that remarkably at odds with a core aspect of MOS -- consistency within articles. I can't imagine the rationale that would drive one to say in this case that what is preferable in the text, is not preferable in the infobox. Especially when it is shorter, and the infobox emphasizes brevity.
As to linking the years ... I don't care overly at this point. But I see little value. For the same reason I see little value to link to "New York City." I'm guessing that those links don't get clicked that much. And if we have a sea of blue with overlinking in conflict with wp:overlink, we detract from the effectiveness of linking in the first place.-- Epeefleche ( talk) 22:16, 21 March 2013 (UTC)
Thanks for letting me know about User:OGBranniff. Quale ( talk) 00:19, 30 March 2013 (UTC)
Epeefleche
analog pussy was always under the ownership and management of jiga & myself, - jinno.
a few months ago, after major personal & professional disputes, - jiga has "kidnapped" all the main websites of analog pussy, - which we were both managing & operating together, - including analog-pussy.com / analog pussy on youtube, facebook, myspace, etc. - and even analog pussy on cdbaby, where we were selling analog pussy music together. - she simply changed the pass words of all those pages, - which we were sharing in the past.
since then - we are both running two separate entities - which are both called - "analog pussy".
jiga has added her girlfriend eva - to her version of "analog pussy", - and is releasing past recordings which were produced mainly by me & which i claim to be my property. - jiga has also produced a new video clip to an old analog pussy track, - which is extremely provocative & against the original spirit of analog pussy.
i am taking legal steps against jiga's use of the name "analog pussy" & against selling the recording which are my property.
at present i am using www.analog-pussy.org - as my platform for analog pussy.
amongst others jiga is publishing in different places - that she is the "official" analog pussy, as well as that her releases are the "official" ones, - implying as if i am the "fakes" analog pussy or something like that. - (including on the wikipedia page, - she is the one who is responsible of updating the addition of eva, which is far from being entirely clear or true, - as well as specifying - that analog pussy.com - is the "official " analog pussy site).
the whole resent actions of jiga, - claiming ownership of analog pussy, - the addition of eva to analog pussy, - the misuse & abuse of the name - etc. etc.- are all without my consent - and the whole thing is currently under a legal dispute.
my question to you is -how to reflect the whole development & issue on the wikipedia page?
jinno
The rollback happened because most of your edits were unnecessary. Replacing the picture of the dog with an infobox was unhelpful. For some odd reason you prefer the number "1" over the word "one", and likewise "6" over "six", where that is generally frowned upon for writing small numbers. Some of your edits were good (uncapitalizing the word "Owner", changing "enacting" to "enactment", etc.), but I thought it easier to blanket undo them and then fix them individually, which I hadn't finished. - Kai445 ( talk) 02:58, 15 April 2013 (UTC)
Here they are: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Chechen_people
Also note how you won't find Khattab there (he was an Arab of part Ciracassian descent). But that's eve besides the point. -- 94.246.154.130 ( talk) 11:01, 20 April 2013 (UTC)
Standard? Really? OK, I randomly checked Americans. No listing of "notable Americans". How about Russians, then? NO. But maybe at least Poles (I'm one)? NO, SO STOP LYING. -- 94.246.154.130 ( talk) 11:12, 20 April 2013 (UTC)
And yet this is not List of Chechen people. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard/Incidents#Chechen_people -- Niemti ( talk) 11:26, 20 April 2013 (UTC)
You deleted the Making payment section from Etiquette in Japan as being tagged. The section is not tagged. I believe a cite can be found in Asian Business Customs & Manners. I will add a cite tomorrow, as my local library is closed and I am not about to break into a library just for a content dispute.-- Auric talk 01:32, 30 April 2013 (UTC)
I noticed you made this edit [110] citing the info was not in the references. If you look at the map at National Post [111] (the first ref) the three locations are clearly marked as is the shopping center. I don't think we are restricted to info in sources contained in paragraphs. BTW,I appreciate your level headed comments in the face of some really strange stuff on the talk page. Cheers Legacypac ( talk) 04:15, 10 May 2013 (UTC)
I figured out why the sources are saying both 1 block and 5 blocks based on the exact same data. Look closely at the linked map. It all depends on what that "fuzzy" distance of a block means. All 3 disappeared along Lorain from 105th Street to 110th Street. That looks like "5 blocks" on paper BUT in this area there is just 106th street going north between 105th and 110th on the North side (due to mall being there) and only Joan Ave which is an east-west (not north-south like the numbered streets) and meets very close to 110 & Lorain, on the south side. So if we are standing on Lorain at the mall we could logically conclude that from 105 to 110 is just one block, or maybe a touch more. Everyone would agree that generally one block is the distance between intersections. What do you think? Legacypac ( talk) 06:40, 11 May 2013 (UTC)
Regarding the thread you started at Conti's talk page, he has started a discussion on the article's talk page and graciously agreed to the content being restored pending a final outcome. I did the revert. -- 76.189.109.155 ( talk) 15:37, 15 May 2013 (UTC)
Hi Epeefleche, noticed you deleted the long-standing Bill Callaway entry on the 'List of Landscape Architects', North America, 20th Cent. Just yesterday we cleaned up a page designed to be the landing-page for that link since it's been pointing for months or years to a different Callaway, a voice actor. Here's the updated entry for Callaway architect: /info/en/?search=Wikipedia_talk:Articles_for_creation/William_B._Callaway,_FASLA ....are you an editor who can review it for approval? 1rheckmann ( talk) 20:29, 1 June 2013 (UTC)1rheckmann
It seems completely inappropriate to take an article that asserts its own significance or importance (albeit unsourced), remove all the material that does so, and then nominate the article for speedy A7 on grounds of not having any assertion of significance or importance. Especially when it was trivial to find a source for the information. Please look for sources instead of blanking content, especially when the content isn't at all controversial. Dricherby ( talk) 08:12, 6 June 2013 (UTC)
Please stop your disruptive editing. It took me less than half a minute in each case to find multiple reliable sources for the material you removed as unsourced. If you can't be bothered to search for citations, mark the text as unreferenced, and let others do the productive work. Thank you. Owen× ☎ 02:16, 8 June 2013 (UTC)
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Say, take a look at Case law. Two factors apply in Robbins. 1. The cases settled so no precedent decisions were issued by the court. 2. While the judges made certain decisions while the cases were active, they were not published as Case_citation#United_States. See also Non-publication of legal opinions in the United States and Law reports. No lawyer can stand up in court and say "in the case of Robbins v. Lower Merion School District....." The judge would not be happy. Thus these categorizations as "case law" are not appropriate. Thanks. – S. Rich ( talk) 18:54, 22 August 2013 (UTC)
respectful consideration. Yellow Book of NY L.P. v. Dimilia, 188 Misc.2d 489, 729 N.Y.S.2d 286 (2001), and in Tennessee State courts such writing would be deemed persuasive authority unless designated “Not for Citation”.-- Epeefleche ( talk) 20:22, 22 August 2013 (UTC)
For your thoughtful comments. Edison ( talk) 02:15, 23 August 2013 (UTC)
I agree edit warring over the column setting of {{ reflist}} would be incredibly stupid. But I do feel its better to set the width of the column rather than force columns, because people use different sized monitors. It looked bad in two columns on the monitor I was viewing it on. – Muboshgu ( talk) 17:28, 3 September 2013 (UTC)
Wives Belmoktar should not have names for easier verifiability? (and a reference was dead.) João bonomo ( talk) 17:43, 4 October 2013 (UTC)
@ Epeefleche Why did you revert my post on Laois Junior Hurling Championship ? ShamDela ( talk) 09:32, 21 October 2013 (UTC)
Dear Sir Im the writer of kulna sawa biography and member of this band. Every information I write in this page I discover the next day that you are erasing it, would you please clarify, any positive contribution would be appreciated. Best regards Briantucker71 ( talk) 06:32, 5 November 2013 (UTC)
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Dear Epeefleche Im not familiar with wikipedia, the content of the page Kulna sawa is not complete I need your help to add the below data and revise it and cited, When talking about the history of this band Im one of the most reliable reference. Because Im writing the biography of this band and I can provide proofs for all listed information by photos and videos and sometimes by articles if available, I have all movies and documentaries ever produced about this band, and Im also member of this band, this page is talking about me, and Wikipedia is refusing my statement and the information Im telling about my self which are 100% true. And published before. I will list below the full text about Kulna sawa , please help me to cite and to submit this data so any one interested about our history can find in wikipedia what he is searching about. And also I have some materials, audio videos and picture to incorporate.
Here below the full text feel free to revise it because english is my third language. Best regards. Briantucker71 ( talk) 20:28, 5 November 2013 (UTC)
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A discussion is taking place as to whether the article Geoff Abrams is suitable for inclusion in Wikipedia according to Wikipedia's policies and guidelines or whether it should be deleted.
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Epeefleche, thanks for the copyedits on the prep sets for DYK that I put together; I'm still fairly new to building those, so if I screwed up anything else, just let me know. One question is the degree to which we promoters are allowed to make minor copyedits to the hooks, as you did; I don't want to exceed the scope of the reviewer, though I did sneak in a comma to one... any guidelines on that? And my "help" question is if you could kindly promote an article I nominated that has been passed, (I think nominated on Nov2 or 3) at T:TDYK, Beholder (horse). Been trying to get someone over there to give it the final nod and get it in the queue. Thanks Montanabw (talk) 03:41, 14 November 2013 (UTC)
Thank you for the update; can you help me in editing my article? I thought it was par to the style needed...
Thanks — Preceding unsigned comment added by Colombus1492 ( talk • contribs) 22:58, 17 November 2013 (UTC)
A discussion is taking place as to whether the article Caravaggio (restaurant) is suitable for inclusion in Wikipedia according to Wikipedia's policies and guidelines or whether it should be deleted.
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I'm really pissed off at you for moving the article about Canadian journalist and broadcaster Nathan Cohen. It was the first article about any Nathan Cohen, and now you moved it, retitled and caused redirects. I expect you will fix this. Also, you did not discuss this renaming with the main editors of the article before you moved it, as I certainly wasn't informed of it. For someone who is supposed to be a good Wikipedian, you violated several conventions with this move.-- Abebenjoe ( talk) 17:57, 2 March 2014 (UTC)
DavidLeib's edits are not legitimate. Please see Talk:Indiggo#Problems_with_sources. 63.247.160.139 ( talk) 23:49, 3 March 2014 (UTC)
(To clarify: I was trying to revert DavidLeib's edits, not yours.) 63.247.160.139 ( talk) 23:53, 3 March 2014 (UTC)
Hi, Epeefleche. Please note that the link you added as a ref leads to a 404 notification. Secondly, the issue of Cammalleri's self-identification has already been discussed in depth on the corresponding talk page and assuming Jewish self-identification is inappropriate for a BLP. Naturally, I shouldn't need to point this out to you as it was your interpretation and addition to the content at the epicentre of the discussion in the first instance. Cheers! -- Iryna Harpy ( talk) 00:06, 9 March 2014 (UTC)
Unfortunately there is nothing more we can do than revert, warn, and report to AIV. I'll monitor and block if appropriate. Regards, Giant Snowman 15:22, 9 March 2014 (UTC)
No offence to Epeefleche but we don't have a "good, ongoing working relationship" - we get on, yes, as I do with most editors, but our interactions are minimal. Giant Snowman 12:54, 11 March 2014 (UTC)
As per WP:FOOTY we tend not use nationality in the lead if it is dual, or if he plays for a country outside his birth, it stops edit wars, as sometimes happens. You are correct that German-Iranian is well and accurately sourced, but it is not the norm. Thanks. Murry1975 ( talk) 20:48, 15 March 2014 (UTC)
You seem to have an agenda with the Dejagah issue that you keep bringing up. His intro shouldn't have the negative aspects of his career, only the positives. Please refrain from enforcing your ideologies onto his encyclopedia page. Yes, the Iranian regime is corrupt and oppressive, we get it; it's been noted in the 'International career - Germany' section. Also, your writing seems off, with choppy sentences and some grammatical errors here & there. On another note, thanks for clarifying his international section, as well as adding other sections.-- RidiQLus ( talk) 18:35, 16 March 2014 (UTC)
Btw, good job on finding the chart source on that. I've made it a point to comment on the new AfD to reflect it, too. By the way, for what it's worth, I didn't supervote; it truly was simply a close close (ermm... close that was close :P), hinging on literally what you just added (due to GNG-only arguments basically cancelling each other out). Obviously you're free to think that I'm just some jerk that's hell-bent on destroying your article (again, to be honest, I couldn't care less), but please bear this in mind next time you run across someone else making a decision you don't agree with: maybe—just maybe—they're not actually expressing bias. :P Whatever; dunno why... just thought you should know. -- slakr\ talk / 07:15, 26 March 2014 (UTC)
DJ Jurgen was credited as an artist in the Alice DeeJay song Better Off Alone, on which he was credited as "DJ Jurgen Presents Alice Deejay". When I have time, I will expand the article myself.-- Laun chba ller 08:20, 26 March 2014 (UTC)
Hello. I don't know if you've seen Nate Bloom's syndicated column from June 2010, in which he says the Jewish Journal piece was mistaken in identifying Spector as Jewish, which apparently they did "based simply on the fact that Jonathan's paternal grandfather, Art Spector, an original member of the Boston Celtics basketball team, was identified as Jewish in some sources". The column claims that Spector's other grandparents were not Jewish, even if Art Spector might have been, and Spector himself certainly attended a Catholic high school. cheers, Struway2 ( talk) 17:53, 26 March 2014 (UTC)
hiya, is imbd http://www.imdb.com/name/nm3337437/ a verified location for a birthday? If new people are going to return to the in out content fights as previous, would it be possible to ask if the article can be kept with locking or editor restrictions? Mosfetfaser ( talk) 19:18, 26 March 2014 (UTC)
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Hi -- I saw that you were one of the delete !voters on a soccer player, for failing among other things to have played in an appropriate professional league. I was looking at an article on him here, and it appears that he now at least has done so (e.g., the Israeli Premier League, which is on this list). But before I start the article, I thought I would check with you to see if you agree. Tx.-- Epeefleche ( talk) 06:41, 27 March 2014 (UTC)
Yep, playing a match in the Israeli Premier League would be enough to satisfy WP:NFOOTBALL and meet minimum notability requirements. Giant Snowman 12:00, 27 March 2014 (UTC)
Hi Epeefleche. Regarding this: If you see a comment of mine such as the one at Talk:Chessie (band), even if it's very old, I'd be happier if you came by my talk page to ask me about it rather than putting a deletion tag on such an article. Thanks, Paul Erik (talk) (contribs) 23:41, 28 March 2014 (UTC)
Hello Epeefleche, and thanks for patrolling new pages! I am just letting you know that I declined the speedy deletion of Fawad Khan (actor), a page you tagged for speedy deletion, because of the following concern: My feeling is that the article and reference constitute a claim of significance enough to escape A7. You may wish to review the Criteria for Speedy Deletion before tagging further pages. Thank you. Olaf Davis ( talk) 00:24, 29 March 2014 (UTC)
Hi there. I see you've added Zachary Wohlman back to the Northridge, Reseda and Woodland Hills articles. I also went looking for a source, and found the same one you listed. For obvious reasons, WP:USCITIES suggests adding notable individuals "that were born, or lived for a significant amount of time, in the city". The source you cited doesn't state that though. Thanks. Magnolia677 ( talk) 18:32, 31 March 2014 (UTC)
Dear Epeefleche, please take your content disputes concerning the BLP of Cammalleri to Talk:Michael Cammalleri and not cluttering my talk page, as we have no extra-content issues to discuss. I'm done with your rants and conspiracy theories.-- Львівське ( говорити) 06:30, 1 April 2014 (UTC)
But I don't see any reference by me to a conspiracy.-- Epeefleche ( talk) 06:46, 1 April 2014 (UTC)
Thank you Epeefleche, I am new to editing Wikipedia; is my cite fixed on SSWSC? I didn't see that info was removed as per your message, so I just added a cite. Thank you for your help. Sswsc ( talk) 23:38, 1 April 2014 (UTC) SSWSC
Thanks for this Victuallers ( talk) 16:02, 6 April 2014 (UTC)
Please put the discography back on the Gilles Vigneault page. You should be aware that when someone is notable, they are often notable for a body of work. This body of work should be included on their page, in the correct section. For musicians, Discography. For actors and directors, Filmography, and for authors, Bibliography. These sections should not be optional, and cites are not required, as the works themselves are by the artist. I'm sure you'll agree that showing a musicians body of work is necessary for an article on a musician. I will leave the format of the Discography up to you, since you seem to have some sort of problem with it. The Steve 04:07, 19 April 2014 (UTC)
You were right, thanks for making me a better editor. I was going to correct the criticism section but it had some issues and it was easier to delete it. I rewrote what was there and have added a new part to address the updated method.
I was going to start one, but then I vaguely thought there was one already, so I thought I'd just wait.— alf laylah wa laylah ( talk) 06:14, 29 April 2014 (UTC)
I declined the speedy deletion of Liam Kelly (musician) as the subject made a claim of significance backed by a reliable source. I also removed the maintenance tags as I felt they no longer applied.
Please note that pages are only eligible for speedy deletion if all of its revisions are also eligible. I see you are tagging lots of articles, many of which have been around for years. If you feel they meet deletion criteria, consider sending them to AfD rather than nominating for speedy deletion. I also might have to agree with other users that you may be a little hasty with deleting content. I'm a stickler for verifiability myself, but unless it's likely to be challenged I generally tag it for needing a source. This allows other editors time to address the concern, which is partially why the templates are dated.
Example... an article I've recently been working on had serious verifiability issues. However, the prose was superb, and when I went to do research, all the claims checked out. I added sources where needed and hopefully the article will soon be heading to WP:GAN. My point is if content is removed altogether it might be forgotten, and it may take longer to be rewritten than it would to have been kept, tagged, and later sourced. All of this is of course my opinion. I just thought I'd share it with you. Cheers — MusikAnimal talk 03:49, 5 May 2014 (UTC)
Hi Epeefleche - since you've recently added a whole bunch of new articles, I've listed them here. It would be really great if you could list them yourself, though, since it takes a while for them to show up on the radar. -- Sreifa ( talk) 06:32, 3 August 2011 (UTC)
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A tag has been placed on Athlon Sports Communications requesting that it be speedily deleted from Wikipedia. This has been done under section A7 of the criteria for speedy deletion, because the article appears to be about an organization or company, but it does not indicate how or why the subject is important or significant: that is, why an article about that subject should be included in an encyclopedia. Under the criteria for speedy deletion, such articles may be deleted at any time. Please read more about what is generally accepted as notable.
If you think this page should not be deleted for this reason, you may contest the nomination by visiting the page and clicking the button labelled "Click here to contest this speedy deletion". This will give you the opportunity to explain why you believe the page should not be deleted. However, be aware that once a page is tagged for speedy deletion, it may be removed without delay. Please do not remove the speedy deletion tag from the page yourself, but do not hesitate to add information in line with Wikipedia's policies and guidelines. If the page is deleted, and you wish to retrieve the deleted material for future reference or improvement, you can place a request here. Uncletomwood ( talk) 09:41, 8 April 2013 (UTC)
Do not remove unsourced material from an article and then tag it as an A7. Speedy deletions do not depend on sourcing, and the method you occasionally use is manipulative of the process.-- Bbb23 ( talk) 16:43, 26 May 2014 (UTC)
I am curious why Magic Circle Festival wasn't important enough to keep while /info/en/?search=Wacken_Open_Air, /info/en/?search=Hellfest_(American_music_festival), /info/en/?search=Hellfest_(French_music_festival) To name a few metal festivals all have their own pages. Thank you. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Will Decay ( talk • contribs) 14:27, 11 June 2014 (UTC)
( stalking) I don't wish to wade in to an argument, particularly as I've just given my 2c at WT:CSD, but rather than arguing the case over what's "significant" or "notable", a far better thing to do is to dig out sources that cover the festival, and cite them, so the notability becomes unquestionable. The Daily Telegraph is particularly good at doing coverage. Ritchie333 (talk) (cont) 11:41, 13 June 2014 (UTC)
Are you really that determined to get every single shopping centre article in Wikipedia deleted from the site (even the ones with reference sources, which you claim to be "unreliable" but are, in fact, not)? This is looking very reminiscent of your previous AfD deletion nomination sprees which ended up drawing heavy criticism against you from other posters and admins here.
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help page).I have no strong opinions either way. The one time I saw that "secured site" message was from my office PC (gasp!) which suggests there might be something different going on with it which only my office PC's version of IE detected. If I were forced to cast a vote, I would probably vote Yes, just on the principle that the one guy who's so adamant against it also promotes his own pet spam site about Black Sox baseball cards. Baseball Bugs 08:47, June 7, 2007 (UTC)
I now see that User talk:Tecmobowl has decided to stop editing for awhile, facing at least two 3RR threats, probably over this same issue. I'll take a further look at Fangraph when I get the chance. Baseball Bugs 09:02, June 7, 2007 (UTC)
You're right. It's ironic he was taken down over an argument over a minor leaguer. And the "speculation" complaint was a mis-read. The article didn't say such-and-such was going to happen, it said so-and-so announced it was going to happen, which is factual (if somewhat trivial). I can only assume the user was going through some of what I was going through about a month ago when I came close to throwing in the towel. I came back with a somewhat better attitude. One key is not to be watching too many pages, as it can drive you crazy. I was watching over 2,000. Now I'm watching a hundred or so. I hadn't expected to run into trouble so quickly, but after too many arguments with that guy I mostly backed off and let the others do battle with him, figuring he would eventually go over the line and pay for it. Baseball Bugs 09:36, June 7, 2007 (UTC)
Yes. Consecutive rather than concurrent terms. I posted an article [1] on User talk:Tecmobowl that someone had posted on my old page User talk:Wahkeenah when I said "I quit" in exasperation in mid-May. It's a bit painful to read, but it's worthwhile. Too many pages watched... getting too close to it... losing self-control... and especially the part about the middle of the night (and probably the wrong end of it, i.e. not waking early like I did today, but being up too late). Baseball Bugs 10:02, June 7, 2007 (UTC)
If you would like to discuss the merits of FG for inclussion, please do so here. // Tecmobowl 16:56, June 10, 2007 (UTC)
Hi. It seems that you and Tecmobowl are currently engaged in a dispute. I am sure that you want to resolve this amicably, so can I please suggest that you review Wikipedia:Resolving disputes and have a go at following the process described. Leave me a note if I can be of further assistance, but hopefully you can sort it out yourselves. I have left exactly the same note for Tecmobowl. Cheers TigerShark 17:34, June 10, 2007 (UTC)
I hope to avoid having to come to your talk page any more but this is just wearing on me. If you want to continue this discussion, I will watch this page and we can do so. However, I am very hesitant to communicate with you beyond this because of recent activities.
First, you might want to spend some time at WP:TPG. It will give you a great deal of information on how to handle long discussions, when to break up comments and when not to, and how to handle your own talk page.
Second, the existing conversations regarding the varioius EL sites are there and available to anyone who wants to read them. This discussion is an attempt to remove all of the fluff and personal attacks and bad blood floating around the other discussion. Furthermore, the other discussion is exteremly difficult to follow for several reasons. Per TPG, please leave it alone.
Third, as an extension of the fangraphs/url inclusion argument, there are a number of things that have been "left" out of the conversation. Because it has been so hard to get peoples opinion on the content relevant to wiki guidelines, I have been unable to see a useful discussion. I believe that I mispoke when i said "There is a consensus on ...". I was speaking specifically to the group of people engaged in the discussion and NOT toward the concept as described at WP:CON. Please spend some time reviewing WP:CON. It will be very helpful.
Lastly, there are a number of things that will have to be considered regarding all the sites being discussed. In fact, a number of the 'questions' that must be answered are simple Yes/No questions. They include, but are not limited to: a) Does said site include any unique information? b) If there is any unique information, is it significant enough to necessitate its' inclusion in the EL section? c) Would said site's unique information be useful to the laymen? d) If the purposed site also contains a significant amount of information already contained in a site that is already accepted, should the new site simply replace the old site? Again, there are a number of other questions to be asked, but that should give you an idea. All of this is geared toward figuring out whether or not a site meets the criteria laid out in WP:EL.
Let's just keep the discussions focused on the topics at hand.// Tecmobowl 10:07, June 15, 2007 (UTC)
That's all there is to it. You and the other editors that have a problem with me (and you know who i'm talking about) – absolutely refuse to focus on the content of the discussion in a simple and focused matter. FG is fine for referencing, but it is not going in the EL section when B-R, ESPN, MLB, & The BaseballCube all do a better job of adhering to the EL standards. You can stop warning me. // Tecmobowl 17:45, June 27, 2007 (UTC)
I have to say that I am not inclined to agree with you that any consensus was reached on those discussions. That really was not a well conducted conversation and most of the people involved acted very poorly and as others pointed out, the straw poll was faulty. I do not agree that a consensus was reached, nor do I think those discussions should supersede WP:EL if they do not address the circumstances. I am also not sure why you simply reverted the entire edit as the two biography sites can, and should be, used as references. I think you are very close to this topic and it might be best if you took some time off and let others get involved. I think it reflects poorly on you when you continually harp on someone that is not here anymore and you should leave their name out of the edit summaries. People will be more inclined to engage you if you keep to the content being discussed. Long Levi 00:33, July 12, 2007 (UTC)
It seems you are upset, but please don't undo perfectly good edits. You tagged two Negro League teams for CSD and restored an older version of the Sockalexis article which was obviously weaker than the newer version. 75.203.180.191 08:28, July 19, 2007 (UTC)
Because the previous version of the article was more complete and informative. It was only whacked when some other user decided to make separate articles for Merkle and for the play. Since that decision was reversed, it seemed best to restore what he knocked out – especially, since as I said, the older version is more informatie and more complete. So that is why.
Not anything I'd care to battle over, though, so if you really like the other version better, then very well. I put it back. Mwelch 04:23, July 23, 2007 (UTC)
It looks like fansites aren't specifically mentioned at WP:EL anymore, but I really don't see how they are more than just specialized personal web pages. Farm Aid is already linked to from his page, and people can find their link from there. If it has to be there, I'd prefer to use the link as a reference about his being a director and remove it from the external links. The file sharing site...I guess that one's fine since they are one of the few bands that don't mind people recording at their shows. I suppose I don't have a problem with the tabs or almanac links either. -- Onorem♠ Dil 21:11, July 25, 2007 (UTC)
Was reading up on an old post of yours here. [4] Could you tell me the original account of Tecmobowl? He's still at it. Durova Charge! 15:14, September 8, 2007 (UTC)
The Chipper Jones article received heavy editing today by new/unregistered users, which I noticed at WikiRage.com. The article may benefit from a good review. According to Wikipedia Page History Statistics, you are one of the top contributors to that page. If you have the time, would you please read over the article and make any necessary changes. Thanks. – Jreferee ( Talk) 08:13, September 16, 2007 (UTC)
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Thank you for your contributions to Manzanar, which is now an FA. I know we had our differences on the terminology thing, but we were able to reach a compromise that, while not ideal from my point of view, works. Nice work! FYI: if you're not familiar with the half barnstar, check out WP:BS for the explanation. – Gmatsuda 22:27, September 17, 2007 (UTC) |
Congratulations on the Good Article status! I noticed you adding the article at WikiProject Wisconsin. I'm glad to see that one of my images is attached to a Good Article! Keep up the great work! Royalbroil 13:34, December 25, 2007 (UTC)
Can you please check this page, the number of World Titles he won was changed last year and the references seem to dispute how many, as you're the person who created the page I assume you're the best person to ask. -- Jpeeling ( talk) 09:32, April 7, 2008 (UTC)
Hi. Thanks. There seem to be divergent references. I've not time at the moment to determine which seems the soundest. If I get a chance ...(or feel free to yourself). Tx.-- Epeefleche ( talk) 03:44, June 16, 2008 (UTC)
Please note that to create talk archives, you should use a forward slash "/", so as to create a subpage. I've fixed this with your user talk archive (hope you don't mind): recently a lot of these pages have been deleted. Regards, -- RFBailey ( talk) 22:54, May 3, 2008 (UTC)
Any chance you could do the same for the other medalists? I tried to add a section on 2008, but they need to have their sections updated with 04 stuff as well if you can (or indeed expand the article in other directions). SirFozzie ( talk) 01:42, August 10, 2008 (UTC)
Stop reverting my edits on Ryan Braun. Most of those awards in his infobox are not notable, a nickname goes after the birthdate, his bbcube page, which doesn't even link to the correct Ryan Braun, is http://www.thebaseballcube.com/players/B/Ryan-Braun-1.shtml his name is capitalized. He doesn't steal a lot of bases or score any more runs than average, and his infobox should be like every other MLB player's the stats are updated through the 2008 season not Oct. 1 and it should have his birthplace in it. If you revert them again I am reporting you. Jackal4 ( talk) 20:20, November 17, 2008 (UTC)
I disagree with you as to notability, and agree with the others – including those who gave this an A rating when it had those attributes. If you like, leave it as it has been and demonstrate support for your position, or bring in others to arbitrate this. Stop reverting us. Your views are your personal subjective views, and not in accord with the rest of us.-- Epeefleche ( talk) 20:24, November 17, 2008 (UTC)
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I see you've posted this at WP:ANI, which is a good course of action. However, please refrain from the accusations of vandalism, because good-faith edits are not considered vandalism no matter how much you disagree with it. Continuing to do so is uncivil and bordering on a personal attack. Jauerback dude?/ dude. 14:54, January 23, 2009 (UTC)
-- Epeefleche ( talk) 23:19, January 23, 2009 (UTC)
When I indicated that Jackal4 had used profanity, and deleted others' communications on others' talk pages, Jackal4 deleted my comment, falsely writing in his edit summary "(removed false accusations)." See. [10] In fact, as detailed above, the accusations were correct.
I responded by asking "... how can you delete my comment that you used profanity on the basis that it is a false accusation? What you deleted details its veracity."
Jackal4 engaged in further duplicitiousness when he, in further discussion of this issue, wrote "(cur) (prev) 22:38, January 23, 2009 Jackal4 (Talk | contribs) (11,197 bytes) (Undid revision 266041160 by Epeefleche (talk) I didn't say what you said that was false)"
But in fact, Jackal4 clearly did just that. His edit summary, which you inserted to explain his deletion of my true statements, says precisely that. He was untruthful, again, which is against Wiki rules. See [WP:HONESTY]. -- Epeefleche ( talk) 05:18, January 24, 2009 (UTC)
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Hello, just wanted to notify you that I've started listing items for review and improvement at the Ian Kinsler GA review page. Thanks. KV5 ( Talk • Phils) 11:56, June 2, 2009 (UTC)
Hi Epeefleche. I just want to let you know some of the protocol surrounding WP:FAC. When you want to nominate an article, don't forget to transclude the nomination at WP:FAC so that reviewers will be able to find it. Please note that the rules as stated on the FAC page currently permit only one article nomination per nominator; this is to ensure that a) the nominator has time to resolve any issues that may come up, and b) reviewers aren't overloaded with articles by the same person, which may contain similar issues. I've removed the FAC for Ryan Braun, as another one had already been entered at the FAC nomination page. Welcome to FAC, and if you have questions, feel free to ask on my talk page or at the FAC talk page. Karanacs ( talk) 15:52, May 29, 2009 (UTC)
Thanks for the info. I did not know about this. -- Kbob ( talk) 01:17, June 4, 2009 (UTC)
I haven't had a chance to get on Wiki the last week or two, so I just got your message... I checked the nominations page but it looks as if the discussion has passed. I was just wondering how it went, sorry I couldn't give my two cents. At the very least his article is very close to being FA-worthy. Miles Blues ( talk · contribs) 07:54, June 8, 2009 (UTC)
Hi there. I'm an admin who monitors Categories for discussion. I'm Jewish, and I have frequently sparred with Otto, whom I often find abrasive. I'm going to say this so that it is crystal clear: stop suggesting Otto is an anti-Semite. Instead of swaying people on the merit of your argument, you're ginning up people against Otto's nominations based on spurious and ugly intimations that he dislikes Jews. This is a group discussion, not a flame war. He has every right to attempt to get you banned, and I will support him if this continues. Am I clear?-- Mike Selinker ( talk) 15:18, June 16, 2009 (UTC)
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I have added my input at the Italian-american poly deletion over there. Thanks for the warning. Wm.C ( talk) 03:04, July 10, 2009 (UTC)
Hey. The Good article nom on him is now on hold – I'll give you a week to fix all the issues, hopefully that'll be taken care of. Wizardman 01:40, July 27, 2009 (UTC)
I have declined your block request at WP:AIV for 98.15.150.182 ( talk · contribs). If you wish to continue the discussion, please use my talk page. Thanks, — Kralizec! ( talk) 23:00, July 30, 2009 (UTC)
Hi, Epeefleche.
I missed all the fun, huh? Oh well.
I perused the discussion, because this issue of supposed overcatting/multiple intersections is an important one. Judging by that discussion and its outcome, there seems to be no consensus on the matter. I'm a bit confused. SamEV ( talk) 01:36, August 7, 2009 (UTC)
On the surface, the article looks fine. If I can find time I'll give the full GA review. Wizardman 16:05, August 24, 2009 (UTC)
I've now passed the article, great work.-- Giants27 ( c| s) 19:36, September 7, 2009 (UTC)
I deleted them because some of them were out of date, but if you want to update them for next week you can go ahead add them back. I like your suggestion for "ranking as of..." although maybe we could wait until the new rankings are out next Monday, since they will be the rankings the players will have when the ties are played? Morhange ( talk) 20:29, September 8, 2009 (UTC)
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Talk) 15:25, September 20, 2009 (UTC)Epeefleche ( block log • active blocks • global blocks • contribs • deleted contribs • filter log • creation log • change block settings • unblock • checkuser ( log))
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I am falsely accused of sockpuppetry, because a user named “Holtzman” voted on an AFD that I voted on. “Holtzman” is not me. This was apparently confirmed by the checkuser, which indicated we were not related. I do not know them, and have not had contact with them. Indeed, their name and use suggests a clumsy user, commenting on an article (Scott Holtzman) by the same name as the name they chose as a username (which by itself should independently raise possible COI issues), who for all I know ended up at my page because – as pointed out – they previously edited a page I edited. They would not be the first editor to follow me, and edit what I edit – in fact two users in the instant AFD debate have done precisely the same thing. Even their edits did not add to to the discussion; if this were a vote that would be one thing, but we all know that an AFD is not a vote, but based on thinking advanced, and that user advanced no new thinking. I in contrast have never been blocked for disruptive editing (until this), am a constructive user with years and over 20,000 constructive edits under my belt, a few barnstars, and a few GAs. While I have at times used alternative accounts so that I could have watchlists specific to certain areas (for example, one on “dates” to make date revisions, one on the “VMAs” for music related edits, etc. – sort of a file system for type of edit), and while my computer has been shared with roommates, and at times I have edited from their log-in (my sister EthelH up till a number of weeks ago when she left for Iraq; replaced by my new roomate Applegigs – but neither of them used the name Holtzman), I have not used any alternative account for fraudulent, disruptive, or otherwise deceptive purposes that violate or circumvent the enforcement of Wikipedia policies. Indeed, I’ve also taken care not to comment on any votes involving either roomate. None of my accounts other than VMAsNYC commented on the AFD at issue. The only indicated party that did do so is Holtzman, and he/she is not connected to me. I believe a look at my record will show me to have been a constructive editor without any blocks for disruption, and further that it will demonstrate that I am not related to the Holtzman editor other than through the fact that we have a revised page in common and votes on an AFD in common. I worked on the Scott Holtzman article because I read his book, which was a bestseller (so presumably I’m not the only one), and thought it great. Just as with others of the thousands of articles I’ve edited, it is not because I am Holtzman (as your checkuser will show), or the band, or the baseball player, or the politician, or the tennis player, or the criminal … I’ve just had reason to read about them, and have interest in them. Thank you for your time.
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Perhaps you missed the bit where the checkuser confirmed you were operating nine other accounts that weren't initially brought up at the SPI. Would you care to comment on those, since those are the accounts that led to your block? Hersfold ( t/ a/ c) 03:25, September 22, 2009 (UTC)
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Only one account that I am connected to in any way (in the sense of emanating from my computer) weighed in on that AfD – Applegigs. I understand that it would have been incorrect for me to weigh in on the AfD with more than one account, and for that reason and to avoid any question I did not then in addition weigh in from any of my accounts. Had I realized that someone would think that edits to the article would be the same as weighing in on an AfD I would not have done that either. (I would note that a number of editors, including ones seeking its deletion, made edits to that article along the way, so I'm not sure that edits by themselves neccessarily are tantamount to a vote against an AfD). I would be happy to just edit out of my main account from now on if that is suggested, to avoid any confusion. As I said, I believe I have a stainless track record, and I'm happy to proceed as told.-- Epeefleche ( talk) 04:12, September 22, 2009 (UTC)
As to The Shells, I simply started thinking about the VMAs/trios/the Shells while under my main user name, and then subsequently when I realized that it would likely spawn an independent music watchlist that I would want to segregate in its own right I created a VMAs name for the bulk of those edits (much as I had a 10isfan name for a tennis-specific list, another name relating to numbers for when I wanted to bring edits into conformity w/the wiki guidance on dates, etc.). I didn't try to hide anything – just the opposite; I went directly to the same editor (Mazca) under my new music-specific name when I had issues re starting the article, having contacted him just days before under my main name re the same article. My focus on Holtzman and the AfD are because those were the touchstones given in the block decision, which I was directed to read and respond to. And yes, I thought that (and perhaps this used to be the case) that was fine, as long as I was not involved in double voting, etc., and I was very careful never to do that. As pointed out by the checkuser, many of my accounts had no crossover whatsover. They were just my file system, spawning issue-specific watchlists. I see now (is this new? I don't recall reading it, but my reading was some time ago) that where that is the only reason, I should declare the other accounts. I didn't recall that, wasn't on top of that, and didn't do it. Am happy to now. I didn't in any way mean to influence any vote or consensus by edits of different accounts, or in any other way use multiple accounts "for fraudulent, disruptive, or otherwise deceptive purposes that violate or circumvent the enforcement of Wikipedia policies", and I'm happy to make sure that doesn't happen again by either (whichever is preferred) never using additional accounts for such purposes, or only using them for such purposes if I make mention on my home page (which I only now see is preferred). As I said, I have over 20,000 constructive edits and some GAs and barnstars without a block for disruptive editing, and I have no interest in flouting the rules of the very encylopedia I worked so hard to improve.-- Epeefleche ( talk) 04:39, September 22, 2009 (UTC)
No SmackBot is not converting any dates to pseudo-ISO. Although I agree with their limited use on the "accessed" field – partly since it is meta-data that should maybe be hidden altogether. Now you say there is consensus to convert pseudo-ISO into full dates, can you point me to the discussion? I saw a sniff of it over at Mosnom and might tie it into the unlinking of pseudo-ISO dates I've been doing. Rich Farmbrough, 11:19, September 27, 2009 (UTC).
Following up on your side comment at Rich Farmbrough's talk page, I think a date format like 9/28/09 is a really poor choice for baseball, since it's records go back so far. Perhaps the decision was made by some of those Überfans who recognizes the name of every single player who could possibly be worthy of mention, and so could disambiguate the date based on who is being written about. -- Jc3s5h ( talk) 18:15, September 28, 2009 (UTC)
Hey! I'll just cut straight to it, block quotes are discouraged in this instance, it makes things trivial. The way it should be done is publishing their opinion in our words, backed up by an in-line quote – so we can maintain prose. Take this recent simple section for example. It's by no means perfect, but it gets the point across, provides quotes with citations and is written coherently. The problem with the review in question is that it is very brief, it barely provides an opinion, so you're going to have to suckle something out of it. Just give it a go, more info the better, I've watched the page so I can come around and help out later on. Cheers. k.i.a.c ( talktome – contribs) 10:07, September 30, 2009 (UTC)
I think your argument gives undue weight to very recent events, and in any case, the doo wop band is indisputably notable, whereas the new band's notability continues to be questioned by other editors. The only real question I'd have here is whether The Shells should be its own disambig page or just head back to Shell; on that issue, either is fine with me. Chubbles ( talk) 19:34, October 2, 2009 (UTC)
Category:The Shells albums, which you created, has been nominated for deletion, merging, or renaming. If you would like to participate in the discussion, you are invited to add your comments at the category's entry on the Categories for discussion page. Thank you. rʨanaɢ talk/ contribs 14:48, October 3, 2009 (UTC)
How do you do that script assisted date thingy? – Peregrine Fisher ( talk) ( contribs) 15:11, October 10, 2009 (UTC)
Could you explain why you changed all of the dates on Chase Utley? The article used a consistent format and there was no reason that I can see to alter the format. KV5 ( Talk • Phils) 16:24, October 11, 2009 (UTC)
The edits to the Daniel Glass edits were mostly to remove POV and essentially useless information (such as Glass' family winning a NN "family of the year" award) that was added to the article by multiple users with the same name as (and thus probable ties to) Glass' record label. Doc Strange Mailbox Logbook 05:25, October 13, 2009 (UTC)
Because the album release has passed and there has been no further significant coverage, I have re-nominated the article for deletion: Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/The Shells (folk band) (2nd nomination). rʨanaɢ talk/ contribs 17:12, October 13, 2009 (UTC)
It's not stated explicitly that it shouldn't be in there, but I think it's generally accepted that it's not because it isn't mentioned in the guideline. All Hallow's ( talk) 01:07, October 16, 2009 (UTC)
Answering Rjanag's question at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/The Shells (folk band) (2nd nomination), but moving it here to give that page a rest (since Rjanag apparently does not agree with my suggestion that we focus on WP:BAND and WP:DELETE issues at the Afd), Rjanag twice protested the close of the first AfD to the closing admin (without success) as follows:
First: On September 28, 2009, at 00:21 (UTC) Rjanag wrote to the closing admin: "I'm a little surprised at your closing this as keep, since almost all the keep votes (when you discount the one made by a blocked sockpuppeteer) were, as far as a remember, a recourse to a non-notable award they were nominated for and didn't win (and the article on that award has since been blanked and redirected), and did not get featured on television or anywhere on the MTV video music awards website...."
The admin responded: "I didn't see either argument on either side come up on top as I stated in the AFD closure (hence the "no consensus" close). I did read through it, and I don't think it would have made much a difference with the sock !vote in there or not, as the registered users on the "keep" side made their point clear."
Second: On September 28, 2009 at 00:25 (UTC) Rjanag wrote: "... not meaning to criticize your judgment or anything, I just don't agree in this case."
The admin responded: "No problem. We saw two different things." [15] -- Epeefleche ( talk) 08:57, October 16, 2009 (UTC)
It appears to me that the fix was in and you can cry “foul” now. One first stop would be to check the rules of AfDs. I’m rather skeptical that it is standard practice for AfDs to run for only one week. On RfCs (Request for Comments), two weeks is normally the standard. So to cut off voting and declare an outcome on a vote while it is still active smacks of calling the game early because one side has a two-vote advantage and the fix is in. Moreover, on Wikipedia, a 13/11 split would never be considered to be a consensus to do something. It’s also important to note that a “consensus” on Wikipedia is as much the weight and logic of the arguments as it is simple vote counts. Any rational reading of the arguments would not lead a rational person to conclude that the ‘delete’ proponents “discredited” the arguments of the other side. That is just so much garbage. Any band that had been mentioned in Seventeen magazine and had been a top-three finalist in an MTV contest is clearly notable.
So… What happened? You did, after all, go up against an admin and these people are quite socially active. This isn’t at all unusual. You might consider going to Wikipedia:Bureaucrats' noticeboard if this injustice bothers you. I’m sure they will direct you to go to a more appropriate venue to “formally” do something, but I’d start there given how flagrant this appears to me. I personally think it might be time to de-Sysop some admins here. Greg L ( talk) 16:22, October 20, 2009 (UTC)
Hi Epeefleche. I wondered if I could ask you a favour. I've been doing some work with Relendog on the " Mr. Tambourine Man" article, which is also currently undergoing GA review. I didn't have as much to do with the actual prose as I did on the Sweetheart of the Rodeo article but I wondered if you wouldn't mind having a look at it and working your copyediting magic on this article as well? No worries if you don't want to though. -- Kohoutek1138 ( talk) 15:41, October 28, 2009 (UTC)
Yeah, that's also fine. It doesn't matter too much to me how it's said as long as it's a) factually accurate and b) meets copyediting requirements. -- Kohoutek1138 ( talk) 12:38, October 31, 2009 (UTC)
I noticed on wp:cfd that you created a category with "Palestine" in it. Please notice that there is no country called Palestine and the closest thing we use on Wikipedia, if you absolutely have to, is "Palestinian territories". Debresser ( talk) 21:31, November 3, 2009 (UTC)
I see Dabomb put you onto a script which converts to dmy or mdy. Does it work well? From what I see, it converts only those which are parameters within citation templates. Is that the case? Ohconfucius ¡digame! 18:14, November 6, 2009 (UTC)
importScript('User:Lightmouse/monobook.js/script.js');
Hi, concerning baseball notability, is there something I'm missing? WP:WPBB/N seems pretty clear in allowing MiLB players (to a reasonable extent) but Muboshgu says there is a "consensus" among WP:BASEBALL about MiLB players saying they're not notable unless they're prospects. I haven't gotten a reply after a request for some conversations between members, or something in writing confirming the consensus. I wanted to ask you (because you seem knowledgeable) if you knew of anything. Thanks. -- Brian Halvorsen ( talk) 03:34, November 9, 2009 (UTC)
Well really, according to WP:ATH all minor league baseballers are notable (due to their professional nature), but WP:WPBB/N provides a better guideline to what articles should be created as the minor league system is so large if all player articles were created, many would be of a trivial nature. The user Muboshgu is incorrect, not all, but many minor league players are notable. I hope this helps. JRA_ Westy Qld2 Talk 08:08, November 9, 2009 (UTC)
I apologize if my comment seems antagonistic, that wasn't my intention. I was just trying to clean up and didn't realize your plans to begin pages for those redlinks. Supertouch ( talk) 17:44, November 15, 2009 (UTC)
Good work, thanks! – Gabi S. ( talk) 14:55, November 19, 2009 (UTC)
I found this link to a religious, " Salafi" response to Awlaqi: The Salafee response to Anwar Al-Awlakee. While personally, it does not seem to be the best reference for Wikipedia, and may enter into a discussion of POV -it may actually improve the page to have "Islamic" commentary in light of the POV discussion – I thought the first page was interesting in in tying him to the Muslim Brotherhood, controversial, at best, Islamic organization. The rest of the article – I skimmed it very quickly, seems to an Islamic refutation of suicide bombings and not particularly relevant to the Awlaqi page. Since you seem to be "running" things at that page (most edits) I thought I would put the ball in your court. Supertouch ( talk) 11:56, November 21, 2009 (UTC)
Sure, it'll change your life. It's easy to turn on and use. Click on "My preferences" at the top of your page, then the Gadgets tab at right. You'll see the box for Hotcat about halfway down. Check if off – and anything you might want to try, like Twinkle – and then hit the save button and bottom to record these changes. Shawn in Montreal ( talk) 03:34, November 24, 2009 (UTC)
Thanks for the message the other day regarding this page. The article looks great now, and I would vote keep, but seeing as the discussion is closed as keep, I guess it doesn't matter. Good work! PDCook ( talk) 19:56, November 30, 2009 (UTC)
It only hurts when I laugh. <br. /> --NBahn ( talk) 02:55, December 3, 2009 (UTC)
You have no right to remove my comments, and if you do it again I will be going to ANI. When you do not know what you are doing stop doing it. nableezy – 02:59, December 4, 2009 (UTC)
"AfD discussions about IP-related articles quite clearly falls under "participating in any community discussion substantially concerned with such articles". There is no grey area. An AfD is about as perfect of an example as you get for a "community discussion substantially concerned with such articles". Even less broadly worded topic bans are treated in a broad fashion. If ArbCom or the community says that an editor is prohibited from editing or discussing certain articles or topics, that editors should not edit or discuss those topics. Shifting discussion over to user talk pages or other venues is at bare minimum a gross violation of the spirit of a topic ban. I, individually, consider shifting discussion to another venue as an unwelcome attempt to skirt the edges or jump through loopholes of the sanction. As far as I'm concerned, the confusion here is only arising from splitting hairs and trying to look for grey areas where they do not exist. The topic bans are perfectly clear and AfD is unquestionably included even in a strict reading of the sanction language."
-- Epeefleche ( talk) 04:21, December 4, 2009 (UTC)
I'm terribly sorry about that; I obviously wasn't paying enough attention!
--NBahn (
talk) 02:31, November 28, 2009 (UTC)
Just a general thanks, you've edited about 30 of my articles in the past few days, doing general tidy-up and such; thought it deserved some recognition. Thanks! Sherurcij ( speaker for the dead) 09:56, December 2, 2009 (UTC)
Hi Epee, thanks for the comment. I kind of enjoyed that you kept arguing against the sources even after you voted keep; it's nice to see principle in action. I had recently linked Jonathan Cook in a discussion, and I think that is part of what pushed BrewCrewer to nominate it for deletion, so I guess I felt a little obligated to go look up some sources. Didn't really know how it was going to go at first, but now if we run across any more of his pieces, we can say we knew him when... I've worked on a few of these types of bios actually, one was Rashid Khalidi, who suddenly exploded into the papers in the last U.S. presidential election, which was interesting for me as someone who'd gone around before that searching all of the sources that discussed him. It definitely made me wonder, also, what if I had never cleaned up that bio before it happened? A butterfly flaps its wings and maybe Sarah Palin would be the most powerful person in the world. I'll try to clean up the bio a little more, although in truth I don't have so much of a problem with the sources in how they're used. If those are his sources, why not include them? If the material itself is too fluffy then perhaps it can be mellowed out. I tend to be on the "spin things positively" side of bios, though, so it's possible our sense of improvements might differ. See you around, Mackan79 ( talk) 08:57, December 5, 2009 (UTC)
I was wondering why you did this, citing MOSNUM. Wikipedia:MOSNUM#Numbers_as_figures_or_words in fact states: "As a general rule, in the body of an article, single-digit whole numbers from zero to nine are spelled out in words; numbers greater than nine are commonly rendered in numerals" (my emphasis). Ohconfucius ¡digame! 09:35, December 8, 2009 (UTC)
While the name Mahdi Bray does ring a bell I am not that familiar with him in particular. Seeing that the website in question is either his entirely or run by his followers, it would seem that the term Imam is used to extoll him and evaluate his position within the Muslim community. It would seem, per Wikipedia standards, that if a person is going to be lauded as an imam there should be reference to support this. If you look at some of the Islamic pages, for example Mujaddid, Shafi'i, Salafi..., these become mere fan club lists for people to list their favorite religious figures—same problem different manifestation. Supertouch ( talk) 12:49, December 12, 2009 (UTC)
Hi, Epeefleche, thanks for the comment. I suppose you see this as the natural course of things, to ask for a clarification and then ask for enforcement based on the clarification. I usually see it differently, that if the matter is clear enough to warrant enforcement then it shouldn't have needed to get clarification. It all depends, but generally Wikipedians ask, why do I need to punish this person right now? Unless there's a direct purpose, then it generally isn't done. Following this clarification, I think that attempting to add a punishment here isn't necessary. You may think that there need to be punishments so that people will continue to take sanctions seriously, but I think that's an overly simplistic (and as you can see from their responses, a bit insulting) way to deal with these editors at this point. There have actually been several requests for enforcement on this case; I think so far all of them have resulted only in warnings. I've complained that people seem to have had quite different impressions of what the topic ban meant, and have suggested that the remedy needed to be clarified. Nickh and Nishidani are certainly not wikilawyers, as they could easily point out that they did not vote, sought to limit the scope of their comments, and that the article was not directly in the area of conflict. They readily acknowledge that under their understanding of the topic ban, they should probably avoid the AfD. But of course under their understanding there are incidents where editors on the other side should have been sanctioned as well, and yet haven't been. My point, in sum, is that there have been significant problems with the enforcement of these sanctions, including the involvement of socks, which I'd hoped may be resolved following this clarification. No problem about the sock, as I assumed you had missed it. Regards, Mackan79 ( talk) 00:00, December 16, 2009 (UTC)
I tell you, given the popularity of this site and the fact it gets hammered so badly by genuine idiots, it isn't always possible to maintain decorum. If someone starts out as a vandal,odds are good he/she will remain one. I've seen precious few reformed vandals in my time here. -- PMDrive1061 ( talk) 02:27, December 16, 2009 (UTC)
There are people who think a bot welcome is rude. I would agree it's not ideal. In a recent discussion we (I ?) did talk about using a bot to create a list for the Welcoming Committee. Not sure exactly how that would work. Rich Farmbrough, 02:46, December 16, 2009 (UTC).
An editor has nominated one or more articles which you have created or worked on, for deletion. The nominated article is Punchball. Please note: This is an automatic notification by a bot. I have nothing to do with this article or the deletion nomination, and can't do anything about it. -- Erwin85Bot ( talk) 01:13, December 17, 2009 (UTC)
My compliments for your work on the Abdullah el-Faisal article, it really grew up into a nice article. I almost made some edits to the three indented quotes per MOS:QUOTE but held off as it seemed they were almost in mini-list format at that point in the article. Is there an exception to that guideline? Supertouch ( talk) 23:53, January 10, 2010 (UTC)
Hi Epeefleche! Not sure if you'll remember me but you did some good copyediting work for me on Sweetheart of the Rodeo and " Mr. Tambourine Man" when both articles were undergoing WP:GA review. I'm thinking of nominating The Notorious Byrd Brothers for GA review as well and would be grateful if you could perhaps cast your copyediting eye over it? No major rush though – just whenever you've got the time. It still needs a little work – pictures, audio files etc, etc but it's not too far off I don't think. Of course, if you have any suggestions about how I could improve the article, please feel free to tell me.
I also have a copyediting question for you. In the first sentence of the Sweetheart of the Rodeo article there's the phrase – (see 1968 in music). The italicizing of the word "see" was done by you and I've followed suit whenever I've added a similar phrase to an article. But recently, another user has questioned this use of italics and I have to be honest and say that I don't know why it's necessary to italicize the word "see". Could you please explain to me why it should be formatted like this? Many thanks. -- Kohoutek1138 ( talk) 22:14, January 20, 2010 (UTC)
Thanks for letting me know about your inclusion of posts from my talk page in your complaint against the other user. Very courteous of you. Breein1007 ( talk) 05:12, December 18, 2009 (UTC)
I would say that his page should be consistent with others like it – I really can't remember right now if most Muslim Convert pages have the names translated – I think it might be half and half. His name would be written: طالب إسلام – Ṭạlib Islām. Have you seen a page for the five kids from Virginia who went off to Pakistan? Supertouch ( talk) 14:19, December 18, 2009 (UTC)
Thanks, I read the explanation and it can be argued that Frankfurt can be included in the "from" categories. She's been there only since 2007, that's why I was wary. Btw no need to explain in detail on my talk page, because my crappy old 'puter almost freezes when I open multiple windows, which I do when the message of new talk page notes appears. And thanks for being so complimentary on the little work, but the only skill was knowing the language. So you speak some German? You shouldn't bother with the German Wiki, they bite, don't get to the point, like to argue – oh, and they hate the EN-Wiki citation standard, which means I had to remove a lot of references for an article to be considered for DYK there. Weird, or not? Regards Hekerui ( talk) 19:30, December 17, 2009 (UTC)
Thanks for your work on this, Epeefleche. With luck, if it gets kept, we can keep it from being a maintenance nightmare. Maybe a couple of our German-speaking friends can keep it watchlisted for a while. -- Spike Wilbury ( talk) 22:39, December 17, 2009 (UTC)
I think that is only a point of view and not a guideline or a policy, I have done it to reflect that this orgaisation as yet does not have an article , perhaps because it is not notable and also I have done it to encourage someone whilst the article is in high profile to write an article about this org...if it is notable that is. Off2riorob ( talk) 21:45, December 17, 2009 (UTC)
If you want to make an accusation like that you better back it up. I first edited that page months ago and it has remained in my watchlist. Whereas I could actually make a case that you followed me here and here. Dont make stupid accusations. nableezy – 23:43, December 18, 2009 (UTC)
I just stumbled upon Cordoba Academy and noticed that most if not all was simply cut and pasted from the Academy website. I learned to look for this sort of thing in the paste with promotional style/POV type issues. This would seem to me to be a Copyright violation, what do you think? Supertouch ( talk) 06:27, December 23, 2009 (UTC)
OK. I just assumed that because it had been removed separately earlier without complaint that it would be fine, but I see what you mean. fetch comms ☛ 03:57, December 27, 2009 (UTC)
Because of your many edits to the Northwest Airlines Flight 253 article, consider helping out on a related new article, NCTb. Suomi Finland 2009 ( talk) 18:18, December 27, 2009 (UTC)
Please remove this personal attack. Not only are your accusations false, but they have no bearing on the discussion there. Grsz 11 19:23, January 5, 2010 (UTC)
Hey, I had a bit of a dispute with that IP user last night. He seems to be atleast a little more accepting of a version I attempted last night, that I don't feel differs much from yours. I've most recently only incorporated it (partly) in the first paragraph of the section. If you have further issues, why not mention on the talk page and the three of us can hash them out, rather than just reverting? Thanks, Grsz 11 04:51, January 10, 2010 (UTC)
I closed the discussion since the move I think you wanted was not nominated. You wanted the article Council on American Islamic Relations moved, if I followed the discussion. You nominated CAIR to be moved. Feel free to make another nomination if my analysis is correct. Note that would be a multipart nomination since both Council on American Islamic Relations and CAIR would need to be moved. Vegaswikian ( talk) 21:49, December 9, 2009 (UTC)
You appear to be simply adding worthless content for the sake of it, the article is starting to appear a bit excessive, perhaps it is your favorite subject but your excessive additions are imo beginning to make the article unreadable, rambling and like some kind of attack page, there is no need to insert every little detail as the major points get simply swamped. Off2riorob ( talk) 22:49, January 13, 2010 (UTC)
Please do not remove my template again, if you do I will report you. Off2riorob ( talk) 00:05, January 14, 2010 (UTC)
"We already went round and round about this, and what you changed was what we had agreed to – The mosque itself and other RSs refer to it as being in Falls Church. I think the language we had is best.-"
WhisperToMe ( talk) 22:16, January 19, 2010 (UTC)
WhisperToMe ( talk) 22:43, January 19, 2010 (UTC)
1. I understand that you say you believe you know why the mosque says it is in Falls Church. That may be the case, but still they're word is of weight I believe. 2. The Washington Times, while I view it generally as an RS and some others do not, is not as reliable as The Washington Post – which generally says the mosque is in Falls Church. [17] 3. I was thinking more along the lines of a noticeboard that would address the issue of the vast, vast majority of RSs calling it a Falls Church mosque, but you feeling they are wrong for the indicated reasons. Maybe a geography or lead noticeboard.-- Epeefleche ( talk) 01:50, January 20, 2010 (UTC)
Welcome to Wikipedia, and thank you for your contributions. One of the core policies of Wikipedia is that articles should always be written from a
neutral point of view. A contribution you made to
Lloyd R. Woodson appears to carry a non-neutral point of view, and your edit may have been changed or reverted to correct the problem. Please remember to observe this important
core policy. Thank you.
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talk) 02:03, February 3, 2010 (UTC)
Hi, I want to make clear that I know your edit was good faith. Malik Shabbazz removed it and another user restored it and I removed it again. First – and parenthetically – you should know I do not fully agree with the wording. But second, and far more important, the reason Malik removed it and I removed it a second time is that there had been so much conflict on the page that it was protected, and when it was unprotected it was because we all agreed to reach consensus on the talk page before making substantive changes. So, if other editors express support for your addition, on the talk page, we can put it back in.
I explained my removal here [18] and this is where I hope discussion of your proposal will occur. I hope you have time to read my comment and see why I disagree with the wording. It could just be that you and I disagree. Or is it possible that we could play with the wording so that you and I equally like it? Jayjg raised a question about sources, but otherwise seems not to object to what you wrote. I think it would be a good idea if a couple of other longstanding contributors to the page chimed in. But the key thing is just for there to be some discussion first. It is quite possible that people will agree to put what you wrote back in.
I see you recently made an edit further up ... given how many arguments have been raging on the talk page, I wonder if many people missed your edit. I could be wrong but I hope creating a whole section dedicated to discussion of your ocntribution will encourage more people to chime in. Slrubenstein | Talk 16:27, November 24, 2009 (UTC)
Essentially, there are guidelines for see also sections. See WP:ALSO. Regards, wjemather bigissue 22:36, January 31, 2010 (UTC)
You could move Ahmed Mansour to Ahmed Mansour (journalist) and then redirect "Ahmed Mansour" to Ahmed Subhy Mansour and leave a hatnote
{{for|the Al-Jazeera journalist|Ahmed Mansour (journalist)}
{{for|the Al-Jazeera journalist|Ahmed Mansour (journalist)}
At the top of the "Ahmed Subhy Mansour" article.
70.29.210.242 ( talk) 06:33, February 6, 2010 (UTC)
Two articles that you have recently created appear to have concerns regarding copyright/plagiarism, as well as some inappropriately sourced/cited information. I have identified my specific concerns on the talkpages of the articles concerned, here [19] and here. [20] These issues of "copying" of material have been identified in the very recent past to you by another administrator as problematic [21] It is very important to take these various issues of policy seriously, as I have mentioned before. [22]-- Slp1 ( talk) 23:34, March 12, 2010 (UTC)
An article that you have been involved in editing, Americans for Peace and Tolerance, has been listed for deletion. If you are interested in the deletion discussion, please participate by adding your comments at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Americans for Peace and Tolerance. Thank you.
Please contact me if you're unsure why you received this message. wjemather bigissue 21:37, February 3, 2010 (UTC)
the necessary evidence, and I will gladly withdraw the nomination. Regards, 22:34, February 3, 2010 (UTC)
Why don't you both relax. As an independent observer, I see one person AfD'ing another's brand new article simply because he does not like supposed POV edits of the other. On the other hand, the apparent victim here is pushing too hard in the opposite direction since the AfD will work its magic and the article will stay or go accordingly. And so far it looks like it's going to stay. So how about you guys just get along now and improve the article together. I'll tell you one thing, I sure would not appreciate someone following me around deciding my edits were POV and seeking the removal of my work. Too bad there's not a barnstar for putting up with that kind of behavior. I do that and everyone does that in clear cases of vandalism, but not POV. That would be POV in and of itself. -- LegitimateAndEvenCompelling ( talk) 06:41, February 4, 2010 (UTC)
Please can we keep discussions to the subject in question without throwing around random accusations. They do nothing to aid in reaching a consensus and I am beginning to feel like you are just baiting me. wjemather bigissue 20:45, February 6, 2010 (UTC)
I suggested you both stop in the above section and it appears you did. Now I see Wjemather has just continued his behavior in a new section.
I love this: "I left it alone rather than tagging it. Later that day, I returned to it to find that it had not substantially changed. I then did some research before properly nominating it for deletion...," Wow! "Later that day"! Big of him to allow a new article a few hours to grow!
I am so sorry Wjemather continues to hound you. Actually, I am afraid he's going to start hounding me now just for pointing out how he hounds you. I don't edit much at the moment so maybe I'm safe, for now. -- LegitimateAndEvenCompelling ( talk) 02:51, February 7, 2010 (UTC)
I find this troubling: Bachcell ( talk) 05:48, February 7, 2010 (UTC)
How about you keep discussion to the subject instead of continuing to throw around baseless accusations. Given your past history, if you genuinely believed that I was acting inappropriately, then I am quite sure you would have taken it to another forum by now. Instead, by questioning my actions and/or intentions in order to discredit my opinion, you are acting in an uncivil manner which borders on violation of WP:NPA. Please consider this a final warning.
As far as the Islamic Association of Long Island article goes, I was requested to comment by another editor due to your offhand and excessively defensive dismissal of their concerns. I reiterate what I said there, the article as it stands is a coatrack and does not establish the notability of the subject. "oldest mosque in the area" is the only indicator but it is very vague – what is the area? a street, neighborhood, hamlet, town/city, county, etc. Please try to address these concerns. If nothing can be done, then I or someone else will list it at AfD. wjemather bigissue 10:35, February 28, 2010 (UTC)
A cup of tea. Have a pleasant day.-- Epeefleche ( talk) 16:18, February 28, 2010 (UTC)
I have nominated Lloyd R. Woodson, an article that you created, for deletion. I do not think that this article satisfies Wikipedia's criteria for inclusion, and have explained why at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Lloyd R. Woodson. Kevin Rutherford ( talk) 03:03, January 27, 2010 (UTC)
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Hi there. Just a quick note: Great job editing the article. It now looks complete. Thanks! Tuscumbia ( talk) 14:10, 24 February 2010 (UTC)
No problem. — Malik Shabazz Talk/ Stalk 19:38, March 13, 2010 (UTC)
There was the total minimizing and ‘moving swiftly on by’ Lloyd R. Woodson who was arrested in New Jersey Jan. 25th. No one mentioned with this administration anything at all to do with Islamic terrorism, yet that is exactly what he was obviously setting up, an Islamic terror attack. Let us review a few ‘non Islamic terrorism facts.’ Woodson had a modified to fire .50-caliber weapon designed to fire from beneath his jacket. He was wearing military-style fatigues and a bulletproof vest and had tons of weapons and ammunition in his hotel room. There was Islamic Jihad material found in his room. Gee…….moving right along. What slaughter was barely avoided this time?
The last article is an RS speculation that it might have been ... a terrorist related attack. I think most of the votes on the delete were posted before there was anything in the article, any new votes to delete if it were to be put back up would look truly ridiculous. Bachcell ( talk) 00:05, March 9, 2010 (UTC)
Thanks for helping out. Other than correcting the spelling, can we thank Wjemather for doing anything else positive?? Bachcell ( talk) 16:25, March 19, 2010 (UTC)
An editor has nominated one or more articles which you have created or worked on, for deletion. The nominated article is Lloyd R. Woodson. Your opinions on whether the article meets inclusion criteria and what should be done with the article are welcome; please participate in the discussion(s) by adding your comments to Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Lloyd R. Woodson (2nd nomination).-- Erwin85Bot ( talk) 01:07, March 21, 2010 (UTC)
I have again revered a number of your contributions. Please bear in mind Wikipedia policies and guidelines, which I know you are aware of, before adding information regarding people and events to other articles. The addition of mostly unrelated material in order to overstate the importance of certain events or individuals does not benefit the encyclopaedia. In short, just because something has been mentioned in the press does not in itself make it worthy of inclusion in every single vaguely related article on Wikipedia. Verifiability in itself is not a criterion for inclusion. Regards. wjemather bigissue 02:27, March 20, 2010 (UTC)
A cup of tea. Have a pleasant day.-- Epeefleche ( talk) 03:55, March 22, 2010 (UTC)
Taking your advice, I've rolled back my own edit. That aside, please respond to me instead of blanking this message. I have been civil with you, why can't you return the favor and discuss this with me?— Dæ dαlus Contribs 05:54, 19 March 2010 (UTC)
I should have checked the history of this page, and for failing to do so, and assuming bad faith, I apologize. It is fine if you remove this message of course, now that I know. Again, I am sorry. I hope you can forgive me. I understand the need to not have clutter, I just wish that I was so insistent upon it that I could manage to clean my room. I'm actually considering a wikibreak because-(this will continue in email, if you don't mind). I'm experiencing too much stress. I'm even considering changing my 'oppose' to a 'support' regarding the interaction ban with Mb. I don't want there to be an indef ban, but considering things, and .. other things, I may just resolve to, instead of reverting their edits, responding to them, instead, I will simply report the edits to the admin who placed the original 24 hour ban, and let them decide for themselves. If this user continues to personally attack others, then they will get sanctioned.— Dæ dαlus Contribs 06:13, 19 March 2010 (UTC)
I am not sure whether being an offensive or defensive rebound champion is a big deal. Look at Evan Turner and tell me if it looks out of place in the championships section. Also, is it important enough to create a championship section for DeShawn Sims or should I leave it in the honors section?-- TonyTheTiger ( T/ C/ BIO/ WP:CHICAGO/ WP:FOUR) 22:32, March 30, 2010 (UTC)
Wikipedia:MOS#Images: Avoid sandwiching text between two images that face each other. This also applies to right/left floating templates/tables. – Sameboat – 同舟 ( talk) 04:13, March 31, 2010 (UTC)
Please see the relevant section of the Wikipedia:Biographies of living persons policy:
In order to ensure that information about living people is always policy-compliant (written neutrally to a high standard, and based on good quality reliable sources) the burden of proof is on those who wish to retain, restore, or undelete the disputed material. Editors adding, restoring, or undeleting material about living persons that was deleted on good faith BLP objections must ensure it meets all Wikipedia's content policies and guidelines. If material that was previously removed or deleted is to be restored without significant change, consensus must be obtained first, and wherever possible disputed deletions should be discussed first with the administrator who deleted the article. Material that has been repaired to address concerns should be judged on a case-by-case basis.
If you'd like to discuss the content edits I'm making, I'd be happy to go over them with you one at a time. In the mean time, the content should stay out until we can reach a compromise version. Thanks. causa sui ( talk) 21:45, April 8, 2010 (UTC)
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unblock|This is a bit odd. I've never been blocked for "editing abuse" or vandalism. In nearly 40,000 edits. I've no idea why I was blocked. Nor has Causa provided any detail that might give us a clue. Causa is a sysop about whose editing I've raised questions at a page he and I have both edited heavily; that of
Anwar al-Awlaki. My most recent edits included questioning why he, without seeking consensus, deleted the text in the article mentioning that AA was noted for actively working to kill Americans. As Causa used the unhelpful edit summary of "trim". Is this a response for that? We can't tell. Is this the use by a sysop of his sysop powers with regard to a matter in which he is heavily involved? That would appear to be the case. This is a baseless block, that on top of it involves an abuse of sysop powers by a sysop who is in the middle of an editing dispute. Where the sysop himself was making controversial questionable edits without using the talk page, as I used the talk page to discuss that very same edit.}}
See this diff for Causa's deletion of the reference to AA being noted for actively working to kill Americans, coupled with his unhelpful edits summary of "trim".-- Epeefleche ( talk) 17:12, April 16, 2010 (UTC)
I think the cognitive dissonance Causa sui might be experiencing here is a perceived conflict between Wikipedia:Administrators#Exceptional_circumstances, (which allows that material deleted because it contravenes BLP may be re-deleted if it continues to be non-BLP-compliant) and WP:INVOLVED, (which holds that In general, editors should not act as administrators in cases in which they have been involved.) The former prescribes what administrators can do. That latter prescribes that Cuasa sui can’t be the administrator performing such actions. Short of a true emergency (Epeefleche re-inserting someone’s Social Security number in the article) Causa sui can hold his wild horses and should have no problems convincing an uninvolved admin to step in if he has a meritorious (read: genuine) concern.
His blocking rationale (I am not interested in discussing this matter with you (or anyone else) on this page anymore) is a showcase example for why WP:INVOLVED exists in the first place: getting wrapped up in an edit war until one looses objectivity and is highly biased (and confrontational). Moreover, his declaration of I am declaring him topic banned from this article for two weeks shows that Causa sui is exhibiting a profound lack of appreciation that he is now just a regular editor over there. And finally, his declaration that he’s not interested in “discussing this matter with” “anyone else” shows that he fancies himself as having some sort of carte blanch entitlement to edit as he pleases and block those who oppose him. Such a statement is also an excellent showcase for how the community should exercise greater care when granting Sysop powers to Admins.
My personal contribution to this particular article has been minimal at best; my involvement has largely been to weigh in on the talk page, offer my 2¢, and challenge some of Causa sui’s reasoning. His statement that he thinks he no longer needs to discuss anything with anyone strongly indicates that if anyone should step back from the article for two weeks, it is Causa sui.
I encourage Epeefleche to not be intimidated by such an unwarranted and provocative action, to edit as he normally would with an eye for encyclopedic prose that is germane, topical, and authoritatively cited, and I encourage both editors (yes Causa sui, you are just a regular editor on this article) to explain the basis for your edits so your reasoning can be sanitized by sunshine of scrutiny by the rest of the Wikipedian community. Greg L ( talk) 21:39, April 16, 2010 (UTC)
@Causa – Apologies for not having been sufficiently clear in my above questions. What other wp names have you edited under? And during what periods did you use each of those names? And have you ever been censured (under any name), and if so what were the details? Thanks.-- Epeefleche ( talk) 08:18, April 18, 2010 (UTC)
Hi all. I appreciate you all weighing in on my controversial decision to block this user. Before we start a witch hunt, I'd like a chance to throw in my $0.02. My understanding of the Wikipedia:Biographies of living persons policy is that users who repeatedly re-introduce contentious and poorly sourced material into biographies of living persons are to be blocked.
Administrators who suspect malicious or biased editing, or believe that non-compliant material may be added or restored, may protect or semi-protect pages in accordance with theprotection policy. Editors who repeatedly add or restore contentious material about living persons that is unsourced or poorly sourced may be blocked for disruption; see the blocking policy.
Further, the burden of proof is on those restoring the content to win consensus that it does not contravene the BLP policy:
In order to ensure that information about living people is always policy-compliant (written neutrally to a high standard, and based on good quality reliable sources) the burden of proof is on those who wish to retain, restore, or undelete the disputed material. Editors adding, restoring, or undeleting material about living persons must ensure it meets all Wikipedia's content policies and guidelines. If material that was previously removed or deleted is to be restored without significant change, consensus must be obtained first, and wherever possible disputed deletions should be discussed first with the administrator who deleted the article. Material that has been repaired to address concerns should be judged on a case-by-case basis.
Most importantly, administrators may enforce the provisions of the BLP policy by any means necessary, even if they are involved in editing the article:
Remove immediately any contentious material about a living persons that is unsourced or poorly sourced; that is a conjectural interpretation of a source (see No original research); that relies on self-published sources, unless written by the subject of the BLP (see below); or that relies on sources that fail in some other way to comply with Verifiability. The three-revert rule does not apply to such removals. Editors who find themselves in edit wars over potentially defamatory material about living persons should bring the matter to the BLP noticeboard. Administrators may enforce the removal of such material with page protection and blocks, even if they have been editing the article themselves. Editors who re-insert the material may be warned and blocked.
Now, we can have an honest debate about whether the policy should be this way. But in point of fact, it is this way. We usually do expect administrators who are involved in content disputes not to use their admin powers to advance their own positions in the disputes, but both the blocking policy and the BLP policy unambiguously state that this expectation does not apply when the content dispute is about potentially libelous or defamatory information about a living person. That was the case here, and it's still the case: the article is still riddled with poorly sourced information that the user in question seems determined to restore without discussion no matter how many times we take it out. The relevant policies are again unambiguous about what should be done here: the content should be removed and the user should be blocked immediately. If this is a test case that shows the BLP page is in error, then we should amend the policy. I may well have been wrong to block him, and I'm open to having my mind changed on the best way to deal with editors who persistently restore BLP-problematic content: but I cannot understand the point of view of people who think I acted abusively. According to the letter and spirit of the BLP policy, what I did was absolutely right, and I would do it again in similar circumstances. -- causa sui ( talk) 06:09, April 17, 2010 (UTC)
That the policy on biographies of living people, and this Committee's ruling in the Badlydrawnjeff case, call for the removal of poorly sourced and controversial content, and places the burden of demonstrating compliance on those who wish to see the content included...That Wikipedia, through the founding principle of "Ignore All Rules", has traditionally given administrators wide discretion to enforce policies and principles using their own best judgment...That administrators have been instructed to aggressively enforce the policy on biographies of living people.
The user was then commended for cutting through the red tape (and even objections of other editors) to get BLP-noncompliant content out of the project:
The administrators who interfered with these actions are reminded that the enforcement of the policy on biographies of living people takes precedence over mere procedural concerns.
Much more extreme than anything I'm accused of here; this was a case of not only blocks following edit warring over BLP-related issues, but actual wheel warring. It seems quite clear that we are to handle BLP problems with urgency and not wait for discussion or procedures before getting dubious content out, and arbcom has ruled that use of sysop tools to interfere with BLP cleanup is the incorrect behavior. It seems that my mistake was that I did not, and have not, acted fast enough. -- causa sui ( talk) 19:43, April 17, 2010 (UTC)
(*sound of sipping coffee*) Wow. (*sound of sipping coffee*) I’m recognizing a pattern with you Causa sui. It appears that once you get a mindset, you pretty much can’t see past it. You seem to exhibit a profound inability—or refusal—to understand and address what others trying to tell you. Above, you persist at quoting from BLP, which is intended to ensure “sensitive” treatment to living individuals and preserve their “privacy” rights. BLP underwent an expansion after Wikipedia briefly read that Senator Byrd had died. Now… to the actual circumstances in your case:
You provide politically correct oratory such as “we can have an honest debate” but flout rules left and right. The only way to keep you from wriggling off the hook is to laboriously and meticulously examine the facts bit by bit to get at the true facts here. Such treatments tend to be lengthy, but I’m up to it. Now…
You gave your lip service to WP:INVOLVED by saying this expectation [that involved admins go get another admin] does not apply when the content dispute is about potentially libelous or defamatory information about a living person. Hmmm… Also, while blocking Epeefleche, you flouted Wikipedia:Blocking#Notifying the blocked user, which requires that Administrators must supply a clear and specific block reason which indicates why a user was blocked. All you did was include a link in your block tag that linked to Wikipedia:Vandalism. Vandalism?!? Your omission (read: failure to do what is required of you) now presents a bit of a hurdle for us because no one can prove why you blocked. We can nevertheless, turn our Common-senseo-O-meters on ‘HIGH’ and use WP:COMMONSENSE. So let’s attempt to sanitize this stinker with the sunshine of some facts:
Epeefleche wrote that you deleted the text in the article mentioning that AA was noted for actively working to kill Americans. His last significant edit was to restore text you deleted (your ∆ here) and his reversion made a paragraph read as follows:
“ | According unnamed U.S. officials, "Christmas-Day" bomber Umar Farouk Abdulmutallab implicated al-Awlaki in some elements of planning or preparing for his failed attack. [24] According to an unnamed U.S. official al-Awlaki is "working actively to kill Americans", and President Obama has authorized his targeted killing. [25] [26] [27] | ” |
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Washington Post citation. Why, right there in the Washington Post it says precisely that: "He's recently become an operational figure for al-Qaeda in the Arabian Peninsula," said a second U.S. official. "He's working actively to kill Americans, so it's both lawful and sensible to try to stop him." Accordingly, "working actively to kill Americans" is factual, germane, notable, and properly cited. It clearly is not vandalism by any stretch of the imagination.
You wrote, above that We usually do expect administrators who are involved in content disputes not to use their admin powers to advance their own positions in the disputes, but both the blocking policy and the BLP policy unambiguously state that this expectation does not apply when the content dispute is about potentially libelous or defamatory information about a living person. To that, I respond that there was clearly nothing libelous or defamatory Epeefleche quoted from the Washington Post. It was factual and, again, properly cited.
BLP at Remove unsourced or poorly sourced contentious material states that Editors who find themselves in edit wars over potentially defamatory material about living persons should bring the matter to the BLP noticeboard. Administrators may enforce the removal of such material
Also, Wikipedia:Administrators#Uninvolved admins states that In cases which are straightforward, (e.g. blatant vandalism), the community has historically endorsed the obvious action of any administrator – even if involved – on the basis that any reasonable administrator would have probably come to the same conclusion.
Clearly what Epeefleche wrote can not be considered blatant vandalism, which is an exception in WP:INVOLVED. Clearly, it was germane, topical, factual, and authoritatively cited to multiple sources. Just as clearly, you were not, as BLP provides an exemption for, involved in an edit war over potentially defamatory that was poorly sourced. In fact, you were simply involved in an edit war with an editor who was doing a proper job here and defied you (a version of WP:IDON'TLIKEIT that is applicable to some admins) several times in a row.
I’ll repeat the part you need to understand or there is going to be consequences for you.
I think the cognitive dissonance you are experiencing here is a perceived conflict between Wikipedia:Administrators#Exceptional_circumstances, (which allows that material deleted because it contravenes BLP may be re-deleted if it continues to be non-BLP-compliant); and WP:INVOLVED, (which holds that In general, editors should not act as administrators in cases in which they have been involved.) The former prescribes what administrators can do. That latter prescribes that you can’t be the administrator performing such actions. The BLP exceptions you cite as backing your actions are colossally inapplicable here and I find your assertions to be a metric ton of weapons-grade bullonium. Short of a true emergency (Epeefleche re-inserting someone’s Social Security number in the article), or real vandalism (not the case here), you can hold your wild horses and should have no problems convincing an uninvolved admin to step in if he has a meritorious (read: genuine) concern.
You clearly didn’t have a meritorious reason with this last block (where Epeefleche quoted information cited to the Washington Post and two other sources). This is why you will behave like any other editor over there—you have zero admin powers in this situation because you are clearly biased beyond all reason and your “issues” with Epeefleche run deep. You wrote Now, we can have an honest debate… which suggests again that you aren’t listening and think posturing oratory will save your skin here. There is no more debate; wake up and smell the coffee or we’ll just have to take it to the next level to reign you in. Greg L ( talk) 20:36, April 17, 2010 (UTC)
Hello. I made a post over at Talk:Anwar al-Awlaki asking if the involved parties (that's you!) would be willing to submit to mediation. Will you please reply? Thanks, -- causa sui ( talk) 19:18, April 18, 2010 (UTC)
With Causa sui, we are seeing an admin who is flouting the most basic expectations of admins, such as explaining the basis for a block. He, of course, couldn’t because Epeefleche had simply restored highly germane and well-cited text in defiance of Causa sui’s wishes, who had earlier removed the text with an edit summary of (trim). Then, when Causa sui pronounced his block to Epeefleche, he said he wasn’t interested in discussing the article’ contents with Epeefleche nor anyone else. Then, after other admins are rapping their knuckles on Causa sui’s noggin saying “Earth calling Causa sui,” he responds with “What I did was absolutely right, and I would do it again in similar circumstances.”
Causa sui was vetted back when our process for granting sysop privileges and powers were less selective than today. This isn’t about the content of the Anwar al-Awlaki article and whether mediation is indicated for settling upon it. I could care less about that. It’s time to figure out now what we are going to do with Causa sui to best serve the interests of the Wikipedian community. Greg L ( talk) 16:17, April 19, 2010 (UTC)
Hi, I appreciate the legitimacy of your bringing up my previous usernames to illustrate the point you are making. However, the reason for the most recent rename was to deal with a harassing situation a year or so back where aspects of my Wiki-life and my personal life were being improperly mixed. I requested that rename so that my real name would no longer be associated with my Wikipedia account, and accordingly, I would appreciate it if we could avoid actually naming names unless absolutely necessary. Thanks. -- causa sui ( talk) 20:54, April 22, 2010 (UTC)
(undent)No, I don't want him to discover that I am now editing Wikipedia under another name. This is all moot anyway, since xeno ( talk · contribs) noticed what I'd forgotten, which is that I did not delete my old talk pages: either I or the bureaucrat doing the rename (I don't remember which) moved them, so my entire talk page history is preserved on my current talk page in plain view. Have at it. -- causa sui ( talk) 23:23, April 22, 2010 (UTC)
Some users are sensitive about admins supporting each other in cases of abuse. I noticed these general complaints against admins here. [1] Do these look like an isolated incidents? Stephen B Streater ( talk) 22:43, April 22, 2010 (UTC)
Before your comment above gets misinterpreted, kindly clarify you did not imply or mean to imply Epeefleche has been acting disruptively vis à vis your interaction... Ohconfucius ¡digame! 01:35, April 23, 2010 (UTC)
Epeefleche, please see User_talk:Greg_L#BLP. Greg L ( talk) 19:48, April 15, 2010 (UTC)
An article that you have been involved in editing, George Michael (professor), has been listed for deletion. If you are interested in the deletion discussion, please participate by adding your comments at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/George Michael (professor). Thank you. — David Eppstein ( talk) 20:19, April 18, 2010 (UTC)
I asked for opinion/clarification from User:DGG on his talk page. He's apparently quite knowledgeable about the policy. Feel free to contact him (or others) as well. Justin W Smith talk/ stalk 06:40, April 24, 2010 (UTC)
See our debate on their talk page. Also see my pending proposal. Do you have any advice for me regarding User talk:TonyTheTiger/sandbox/Hockey mafia issue.-- TonyTheTiger ( T/ C/ BIO/ WP:CHICAGO/ WP:FOUR) 06:40, April 20, 2010 (UTC)
Thanks for the message. To start with, I don't think FAIR and Sugg should be mixed together. Sugg's words are his opinion, not necesarily FAIR's. Also, the way the article is currently written is loaded with well poisoning, in addition to really poor sourcing.
Claims that "Emerson said X" should be properly referenced to reliable sources, if possible, and especially if those statements are contentious or BLP violations. Things that other people said about Emerson should be cited to those people.
Sugg isn't a 1-article author just because he only has one article in FAIR. He described himself as "a print journalist for thirty-eight years, [who] held senior editing and writing positions at The Miami Herald, Palm Beach Post, Atlanta Constitution, American Lawyer, Tampa Tribune, and the Creative Loafing alternative group." [2] He's left-wing for sure, but that, by itself, doesn't make him non-notable or non-reliable.
I've been hacking at these paragraphs, trying to separate out the things that can be attributed to Sugg, and the things that should be cited to the original source, while cleaning up some of the language in general. Please have a look. ← George talk 22:01, April 30, 2010 (UTC)
Hi CAV. Thanks for the note. I saw your revert on the Will article, and appreciate your dropping by here as well. I'm thinking of leaving a post on the RS/N page to clarify things, as there seems to be some confusion that I might be able to address. But let me try the short version out on you here, to see if it makes sense to you. 1) FAIR is not an RS for facts. 2) FAIR is also not an appropriate high-level source (as required) for contentious BLP entries. 3) FAIR is fine to use (generally; Jimbo thinks not in the Emerson article) for its opinion. 4) Sometimes a statement has both opinion and either a contentious statement of a BLP, or a statement as to fact. If they can't be teased out, and especially if it is a public person (where mainstream sources should have picked up any notable fact), then it can't be used.
I have a raft of policies that support the policy side of this. Your comment about the lack of citations and question as to whether it is really notable enough bring to mind, for example, WP:BLP; Public Figures which says: "In the case of public figures, there will be a multitude of reliable published sources, and BLPs should simply document what these sources say. If an allegation or incident is notable, relevant, and well-documented, it belongs in the article.... If it is not documented by reliable third-party sources, leave it out."
As to Annoy—I'm sorry that others have to deal with what I have been dealing with for much longer. It's really somewhat amazing. I wonder if he is just knowingly filibustering, trying to drive people like you away? I'm sure, btw, that your continued involvement can only help matters. Would be interested in your thoughts on the above.-- Epeefleche ( talk) 07:36, May 3, 2010 (UTC)
A tag has been placed on Steven R. David requesting that it be speedily deleted from Wikipedia. This has been done because the article, which appears to be about a real person, individual animal(s), an organization (band, club, company, etc.), or web content, does not indicate how or why the subject is notable: that is, why an article about that subject should be included in an encyclopedia. Anowlin ( talk) 19:37, 21 May 2010 (UTC)
I am unable to remove the blank line without screwing up the first bulletpoint. You may want to talk with those who code the template. If it is changed let me know because I am the main editor on at least a half dozen college basketball player pages.
What about the unsightly blank space to the right of the new rookie box -- can that be addressed?
Also, can the needless extra blank line above "Note" within that box be deleted? Tx.-- Epeefleche ( talk) 23:48, 15 March 2010 (UTC)
I've left out a number of Scheyer awards (e.g., less notable papers) and records ... without checking, I think on the records front limiting to top-10 for example for ACC/Duke. And I haven't listed every single tournament he has been in, as that strikes me as not sufficiently notable, even though the infobox calls for it. With Duke as the winningest team ever, I think that's ok. I don't interpret record as meaning he has to be number one, but rather as top-10. One general comment I see from time to time is "hey, person x is more important, and doesn't have an article, or as long an article, or we don't reflect his records or awards." The answer I generally come to, is let's improve that person's article. College basketball player articles I've seen are generally in suprisingly poor shape, especially given the number of views they get. Of course, if it is true cruft, like the infobox saying "Scheyer led the team for 2009-10 in the following eight categories, and here are his numbers", then I would agree it is proper to scale back the infobox. But, as I said, I will take a look and give a think, with your helpful comments in mind. Best.-- Epeefleche ( talk) 03:36, 22 March 2010 (UTC)
P.S. you should also note, that you can request image consent from photographers on www.flickr.com and get this guy a decent image. Look at the images of all the guys that I do. I hound the flickr guys to re-license their images. About half of non-AP and non-school newspaper photographers will consent. Even about 20% of school newpaper photogs will consent. If you want, I can give you a copy of my consent requests.-- TonyTheTiger ( T/ C/ BIO/ WP:CHICAGO/ WP:FOUR) 14:19, 25 March 2010 (UTC) Sure -- that would be great. Tx.-- Epeefleche ( talk) 06:35, 28 March 2010 (UTC)
I saw at some point during the game that Scheyer is 22/24 in Free throws during the tournament. It seems that he may take over the Duke all time NCAA tournament free throw percentage lead (min 35 att). Do you know how he is doing on the Duke (and possibly ACC) NCAA tournament lists?-- TonyTheTiger ( T/ C/ BIO/ WP:CHICAGO/ WP:FOUR) 17:20, 4 April 2010 (UTC)
Hey there. Looking at this case it appeared that some people affiliated with Mohammed Daniel's were commenting on the deletion review, rather than it all being one person. The chances are that the check came back as likely because Mohammed Daniels knows all these people, so they were all in the same area, or editing form the same company IP, however, they would not appear to be sock puppets. This conclusion is largely based upon this edit:
1. There would also not appear to be any violation of
meat puppetry, as Daniels does not appear to have asked these users to support him, and whether or not their has been any correspondence between them is undefined.
Please let me know if you have any further questions.
Regards,
Spitfire
Tally-ho!
01:22, 28 March 2010 (UTC)
I apologize again for what I said and how I said it. I was rushed, and in my mind I melded the two ANI threads together so did not see the need to notify you. Before you replied I noted that Annoynmous, I and other editors had committed the same or worse error in saving the offending statement in the article itself. I noted that it does appear that you did accidentally make the same error in the later post to RSN I pointed out at ANI, though; just pointing this out in the spirit of misery loving company. Regards, John Z ( talk) 04:30, 4 May 2010 (UTC)
Please retract this gratuitous personal attack: [4] -- ChrisO ( talk) 01:24, 28 May 2010 (UTC)
Hey Epeefleche, I trust that you noticed the wording of the final sentence of the ARBPIA template, and are well aware of the status of certain people in terms of being desysoped. Cheers :) Breein1007 ( talk) 14:38, 28 May 2010 (UTC)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Jihobbyist Now nominated for deletion by a familiar user Bachcell ( talk) 17:23, 27 May 2010 (UTC)
Abdul Rahman wasn't a terrorist, therefore I'm surprised you're interested, and any POV you claim I have is bullshit. Grsz 11 02:57, 31 May 2010 (UTC)
I'm curious why you would take a perfectly valid deletion argument (which others have pointed out) and turn it into another claim of POV? What POV? Like I've stated above, I've favored deletions for guilty people, innocent people, with no particular side favored, Yet the best you can come up with is to argue that my comments are invalid because you think I am biased? Grsz 11 00:05, 2 June 2010 (UTC)
I've raised a concern about the hook at Template talk:Did you know. -- Metropolitan90 (talk) 16:49, 4 June 2010 (UTC)
Interested to know the reasons for replacing 'Passengers' with 'Activists' on the Gaza flotilla raid. [16]. The change does not seem very Wikipedia:Neutral point of view. Firefishy ( talk) 23:27, 1 June 2010 (UTC)
Please do not edit closed threads or unclose them after they have been processed by administrators. Their content remains viewable even in archived form. Sandstein 06:00, 16 June 2010 (UTC)
I wonder if opening an RfCs on the AE process would be helpful...or if it would be summarily ignored and closed. -- nsaum75 ¡שיחת! 18:09, 16 June 2010 (UTC)
Congratulations on the GA. Here are my suggestions for conversion in June:-- TonyTheTiger ( T/ C/ BIO/ WP:CHICAGO/ WP:FOUR) 15:50, 27 April 2010 (UTC)
Jon Scheyer | |
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College | Duke |
Conference | ACC |
Sport | Basketball |
Position | Guard |
Jersey # | 30 |
Class | Senior |
Major | History |
Nickname | The "Jewish Jordan" [5] [6] |
Career | 2006–10 |
Height | 6 ft 5 in (1.96 m) |
Weight | 190 lb (86 kg) |
Nationality |
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Born | Northbrook, Illinois | August 24, 1987
High school |
Glenbrook North High School, Northbrook, Illinois |
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Jonathan James "Jon" Scheyer (born August 24, 1987, in Northbrook, Illinois) is an All-American 6' 5" guard, who was selected by the XXX with the Xth overall selection in the 2010 NBA Draft. He led his high school team to an Illinois state basketball championship and the 2009–10 Duke Blue Devils to the 2010 NCAA Basketball Championship. He was a prolific high school scorer who earned numerous individual statistical championships in Atlantic Coast Conference (ACC) play, ranging from free throw percentage and three point shots/game to assists/ turnover ratio.
A high school All-American, he once scored 21 points in a game's final 75 seconds of play in an attempt to spark a comeback. The 4th-leading scorer in Illinois high school history, he led his team to a state championship in 2005 and was named Illinois Mr. Basketball in 2006. He chose Duke, for whom he moved over from shooting guard to point guard towards the end of the 2008–09 season, and was the Most Valuable Player (MVP) of the 2009 ACC Men's Basketball Tournament. [8]
In his senior year in 2009–10 as Duke's captain, he led the team to ACC regular season and Tournament championships and to the NCAA National Championship. He led the championship team in points per game, assists, free throw percentage, and steals per game. [9] Scheyer was a 2010 consensus All-American (Second Team), a unanimous 2009–10 All-ACC First Team selection, and was named to the 2010 ACC All-Tournament First Team. [10] [11] [12] [13] He played the most consecutive games in Duke history (144), and holds the ACC single-season record for minutes (1,470 in 2009–10) and the Duke freshman free throw record (115), shares the Duke record for points off the bench in a game (27). [14]
Scheyer was drafted by the XXX with the Xth pick of the X round (Xth overall, if 2nd round) of the 2010 NBA Draft. If there was a trade to get the pick to select him mention it here. (He is represented by XXX if he has a famous agent like Rob Pelinka or something).
![]() | This user helped promote Jon Scheyer to good article status. |
Okay, now your making me mad, if you have an issue with me, then directly tell me (which you are doing on mecos talk page), dont just go around talking about me, i may be sixteen but what the hell does that matter?, im in collage already, so stating my age as a negative is just plain idiotic. ALSO, are you seriously implying that lil and are are the same account? check are history, we dont edit the same articles, the only thing regarding edits that we do similar is with both write GA's and actively edit music articles. And do you honestly think i would talk to myself on my talkpage and his daily? Im not claiming ownership of the article im clearly stating the facts that its not relevant. Now im not someone who normally assumes bad faith, but honestly, please grow up. (CK)Lakeshade✽ talk2me 07:51, 19 July 2010 (UTC)
The infobox does allow for up to six statistics, but those should be used in only the instances of players with records of some sort. This was discussed.-- Muboshgu ( talk) 03:50, 24 July 2010 (UTC)
I noted that we seems to do a bit edit warring at Talk:Zab Judah about archiving. The reason is that the talk page is listed on the IndexerBot log file as non-working. As I open the page I see that also MiszaBot is both not working and configurations aren't good. Also WP:TPG thresholds for arcihving aren't met. So, the result is that I remove the configs to save bot resources. I see, it is better to remove the non-working configs for now and insert working configs when WP:TPG thresholds are met. -- Kslotte ( talk) 12:54, 29 August 2010 (UTC)
Hello. This message is being sent to inform you that there currently is a discussion at Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents regarding an issue with which you may have been involved. Thank you. -- Kslotte ( talk) 21:17, 19 September 2010 (UTC)
Third opinion: Well first, I can tell you that this discussion has been going on for quite some time in various forms. The question essentially is whether or not to archive if the talk page doesn't meet the size requirements. My personal opinion is that archiving old conversations is preferable, in that it stops people from responding to really old conversations. On Talk:David Newhan#Comments, for example, Epeefleeche responded to a comment left by someone 14 months prior. The first person is long gone, probably, but the old thread is still there. If the recent editor feels that strongly about their question, then can start a new thread; it's pretty trivial.
And it's not like archiving is that big a deal anyway. We have all sorts of templates that you can put on the page to make accessing the archives easier, including {{ Search archives}}, which gives you a textbox where you can put in a search term. There's a category of these templates, too, so you can pick the one that works best.
Personally I see no problem with removing old cruft from a talk page. We don't keep other dead things (templates, headers, etc) around. But then the question becomes, do you remove it and just let the status quo exist, or do you get rid of the old nonworking stuff and replace it with stuff that does? I think the latter is better, to be honest, though I don't see that happening here.
Maybe I'm misunderstanding; aside from not meeting size requirements, is there any reason not to archive? — HelloAnnyong (say whaaat?!) 16:22, 21 September 2010 (UTC)
I find it facinating that Nableezy, just coming off his lengthy topic ban, makes this [17] very provocative and contentious edit without so much as uttering a word on the discussion page. Technically, he didn't violate the letter of the law but he certainly violated its spirit. Your thoughts please.-- Jiujitsuguy ( talk) 20:50, 16 June 2010 (UTC)
It's no problem. I'm an article writer myself, and I can certainly understand the frustration if one spends hours upon hours on a single article, only to see someone come along and destroy most of it effortlessly. The trimmed article got rid of exactly how much I thought should've gone away: 10%. Spasm was deleting content because of a petty grudge, which is unfair to the subjects of these articles. I have tried to use the GA-Class article Billy Pierce as a model to expand baseball player articles on Wikipedia, and he brought it up out of nowhere threatening to hack that down to start class as well, just because Pierce was "less important" than Mickey Mantle and Hank Aaron and therefore has too big of a file size. He failed to mention that those extra KB in the Pierce article was attributed to 100+ reference citations. He seems to leave out a lot of facts whenever arguing his side of thing. Oh well. Two months+ from now I'm not going to put up with his crap if he does it again. Vodello ( talk) 19:47, 25 July 2010 (UTC)
In my opinion there is no consensus shown for a separate page for the term targeted killing. If you want to create a new page then first lets hold an RFC on talk:assassination and see if there is a consensus for such a page, because at the moment it is not at all clear that there is. The reason for this is that it can be argued that it is an euphemism for assassination. If the consensus is that it is then creating a separate page is a POV fork. -- PBS ( talk) 02:11, 30 September 2010 (UTC)
In reverting my edits to targeted killing you have used the phrase "Reverted 1 edit by Philip Baird Shearer identified as unconstructive to last revision by Epeefleche." The link under unconstructive is to Wikipedia:Vandalism. I refer you to the section in How not to respond to vandalism and the bullet point: "Avoid the word "vandal". In particular, this word should not be used to refer to any contributor in good standing, or to any edits that might have been made in good faith. This is because if the edits were made in good faith, they are not vandalism. Instead of calling the person who made the edits a "vandal", discuss your concerns with them. Comment on the content and substance of the edits, instead of making personal comments." If I were not a party to this dispute with you, and another editor bought such behaviour to my attention after a warning if you persisted I would block your account until you agreed not to accuse another editor of vandalism, when such edits are made in good faith. I suggest that in future that if you are in a content dispute with a fellow editor that you think very carefully before you accuse another editor of vandalism. -- PBS ( talk) 03:53, 30 September 2010 (UTC)
User:Wuhwuzdat has made a very WP:Pointy deletion nomination of List of management consulting firms after two of his wholesale deletions of article content were reverted and explained here. Since you participated in the 1st AfD, I am notifying you of the 2nd AfD in the event you wish to participate. -- Mike Cline ( talk) 18:56, 27 November 2010 (UTC)
If you are going to continue to edit here, you need to both understand the letter and spirit of the biographies of living people policy and accept it. If you continue to disrupt article talk pages arguing the consensus can override BLP, I will open a user conduct RfC on your behavior. Yworo ( talk) 18:51, 29 November 2010 (UTC)
Since you have refused to engage me in discussion on your talk page and deleted the discussion I attempted to have with you, I have started an ANI thread about your recent canvassing actions. You may want to read and respond at WP:ANI#Canvassing by User:Epeefleche. SnottyWong chatter 00:20, 2 December 2010 (UTC)
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Epeefleche ( block log • active blocks • global blocks • contribs • deleted contribs • filter log • creation log • change block settings • unblock • checkuser ( log))
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On behalf of Epeefleche, I point out that blocks are not to be used punitatively only preventatively, and no one has made any allegation that Epeefleche was likely in the immediate future to cause any damage or disruption to the project. "Teaching someone a lesson" is not an appropriate reason to block. See WP:BLOCK. I note also that this block was made in knowledge of, and contrary to the consensus of, an ongoing AN:I debate ( link). – DustFormsWords ( talk) 05:59, 2 December 2010 (UTC)
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Procedural decline. Epeefleche has a working keyboard, presumably, so he can file his own unblock request when he is ready. Interested community members who wish to request consensus to unblock him can do so at WP:ANI where there is a vigorous discussion on this issue. Please comment at ANI if you wish to see him unblocked. Jayron 32 06:03, 2 December 2010 (UTC)
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Epeefleche ( block log • active blocks • global blocks • contribs • deleted contribs • filter log • creation log • change block settings • unblock • checkuser ( log))
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With all due respect, I think this was a decidedly inappropriate block. I'm certain the blocker acted in complete good faith (I can't recall our prior interactions, and therefore have no reason to think otherwise). But I'm puzzled. An AN/I on the same issue had just been opened. This also had the unintended effect of depriving me of the ability to correct mis-statements at the AN/I. Which appear to have misled some editors.
As requested, below is my understanding of the policy and its latest interpretive guidance. Which indicates that in a strikingly parallel situation, a notice to 50 editors was appropriate.
The blocker is correct in implying that a necessary factor, for a posting to be considered "excessive" under the guidance, is a lack of discrimination. But he appears to not perhaps have been aware that the notified editors were in fact picked with discrimination.
This was certainly not a "clear canvassing violation" (the rationale for the block).
I apologize if I in any way created even an appearance of impropriety. That was not my intention. My postings were an effort to do precisely the opposite (to dispel even the faintest suspicion that some—but not all—editors had been contacted). I read wp:canvass and its related talk page guidance carefully before proceeding. I acted strictly in accord with my understanding of them. I am committed to following the guidance, in whatever form it may be written now or in the future.
I respectfully request an unblock, with an edit summary reflecting that it was not appropriate.
Background
1. Concurrent AfDs are discussing deleting 6 lists of Jews. The discussions include related issues. (rules for deleting lists of religions, ethnicities, and nations; whether Jews fall into all 3 categories; the effect of that w/regard to deletions of Jewish lists; who is a Jew; impact of a Jew saying he did not want to be noted for being a Jew; etc.). I !voted keep at all 6 related AfDs. Bulldog, Snotty, and Yworo !voted delete at all 6.
2. Bull asserted at a number of the AfDs–incorrectly–that I had canvassed. His "evidence" was an on-wiki note to DGG, in which I mentioned all 6 AfDs. And the fact that I had mentioned to DustFormsWords off-wiki that he had commented on 1 of 2 co-extensive concurrent AfDs (entertainers and actors). DGG had not !voted. Dust had !voted, split keep and delete, at some AfDs.
3. The editor-response to the Bull accusation was largely negative. See the AfDs.
4. I responded to the Bull accusation. Pointing out I had not canvassed. That his accusations violated wp:agf & wp:civil. And that the only editors other than me to have commented at all 6 AfDs were him, Snotty, and Jayjg—with 17 delete !votes and 1 keep !vote among them.
5. Bull's complaint, if true, would have raised the possibility that keep !voters had been made aware of the related AfDs. But that delete !voters had not. So I also noted that I would
"be happy to leave all editors editing/who edited related AfDs a note about related on-going AfDs".
Nobody objected. I then proceeded as I had suggested.
6. I used a neutral notice.
7. I was discriminating in whom I contacted. Contacting only editors who had commented at 1 of the related AfDs (but fewer than all). I did not contact editors who had commented at the DGG string (inasmuch as there, all AfDs had been mentioned).
8. Noteworthy: Contrary to what an editor intent on "getting out" the keep !vote would do, I did not also (or instead) contact editors who had participated at the prior AfDs of the lists–which had resulted in !keeps. (Unless they participated in this week's AfDs). Despite the fact that it would have been a totally acceptable alternative (or addition) under wp:canvass. And would have resulted in contacting a more keep-heavy group.
9. The editors contacted were not keep-heavy. If anything, the opposite. Nor did the notices result in keep-heavy !votes. Just the opposite.
My understanding of wp:canvass (emphases added)
1. Purpose. wp:canvass is meant to protect against: "canvassing ... with the intention of influencing the outcome of a discussion in a particular way". This clearly was not such a case.
2. Acceptable notices. Per wp:canvass: "In general, it is perfectly acceptable to notify other editors of ongoing discussions, provided that it is done with the intent to improve the quality of the discussion by broadening participation to more fully achieve consensus." That was my intent.
3. Note at AfD regarding notifications. As wp:canvass suggests is good practice, I "left a note at the discussion itself about notifications which have been made". Actually, I did better than that. I left the note before making the notifications.
4. Neutral wording of notice. The notice, as suggested by wp:canvass, was neutrally worded and brief. It did not even say "You are invited to join the discussion at ...", as the guidance's template does. Instead, it was far more neutral. Saying only:
"Hi. As you just participated in discussions on a closely related topic (also a current AfD re a Jewish list), which may raise some of the same issues, I'm simply mentioning that the following are currently ongoing: AfDs re lists of Jewish Nobel laureates, entertainers, inventors, actors, cartoonists, and heavy metal musicians."
5. Selection of those notified—known opinions. As suggested by wp:canvass,
"The audience [was] not ... selected on the basis of their opinions – for example, if notices are sent to editors who previously supported deleting an article, then similar notices should be sent to those who supported keeping it."
I did not leave messages for users selected on the basis of their opinions. Precisely the opposite.
6. Selection of those notified—connection to topic of discussion. As suggested by wp:canvass, there was no posting of "messages to users ... with no particular connection with the topic of discussion." To the contrary, all users were ones who had edited this week at one or more of the related AfDs. As suggested, the notices were "On the talk pages of individual users ... who have participated in previous discussions on ... closely related topics".
7. What "excessive cross-posting" means under the guidance: Indiscriminate Notification, and Uninvolved Editors. wp:canvass provides that one should not send notices to an "excessively large number" of individual users. Wp:canvass then clarifies what that means, stating the elements that constitute prohibited excessive cross-posting:
Excessive cross-posting
Important discussions sometimes happen at disparate locations in Wikipedia, so editors might be tempted to publicize this discussion by mass-posting to other Wikipedians' talk pages.... indiscriminately sending announcements to uninvolved editors is considered "talk-page spamming" (or e-mail spamming) and therefore disruptive.
There was nothing indiscriminate about the posting here. Those posted to were a highly select group. Specifically, those editors who had posted at one of the related AfDs this week. Nor were they "uninvolved editors". Precisely what the guideline indicates is meant by "excessive" cross-posting–the 2 necessary elements of indiscriminate notification, and uninvolved editors–was not the case here. Rather, the polar opposite was the case.
8. Guidance terminology vs. common parlance. I understand terms can have different meanings in common parlance, from how a guidance instructs us to understand them. "Excessive" is such a term. Had the guidance (and its interpretations) not described its meaning, my initial instinct (without any objective foundation) might well have been that "65" would be "excessive" (in normal parlance). I took care before acting, however, to check what "excessive" means under the precise guidance language. It is indeed a wiki-specific interpretation of the phrase, as reflected above.
9. Footnote. A footnote says "The Arbitration Committee has ruled that "[t]he occasional light use of cross-posting to talk pages is part of Wikipedia's common practice. However, excessive cross-posting goes against current Wikipedia community norms. In a broader context, it is unwiki." See Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/IZAK#Principles." To understand what "excessive cross-posting" means, see the above para. Not the case here.
Furthermore, the footnoted case is plainly distinguishable.
The editor there violated the principle of "Aggressive use of Wikipedia forums to mobilize support for point of view". He sent notices that were "calls to action". The opposite was true here. This was a neutral message. Sent to all editors, without regard to their view, who had edited at the related AfDs this week.
In addition, in the footnoted case there was no rationale for why those particular editors were contacted. That distinguishes it. And as the guidance indicates, indiscriminate posting is a core element of "excessive cross-posting".
It is noteworthy that the editor in that case was not even, btw, sanctioned for canvassing. He was only sanctioned for personal attacks.
10. Guidance on wp:canvass talkpage, in parallel matter: 50 notices is in accord with the guideline. In July of this year, a starkly parallel matter arose at the wp:canvass talkpage. An editor complained when editor Collect contacted 50 editors on their talkpages as to an AfD. Collect had used a neutral notice. He sent it "to everyone practicable" who had participated a prior AfD. Collect felt, the same as I did here, that it "avoided any possible cavil that people were "selected" for the message". He relied on the same guideline language discussed above. The feedback on the guidance talkpage by Kotniski (with which nobody disagreed) was that since Collect sent the message to people on both sides of the debate equally, nobody should have any objection. Kotniski added:
If people have contributed to a discussion, they have a right to know if the same issue is being raised again (essentially, if they are not told, then they are being disenfranchised, by having their previously expressed views ignored). If you're going to inform some, you have to inform all, so if it turns out to be a few dozen (quite a large number), that's just slightly unfortunate. The disruption (if any) comes from the people who continually re-raise the same issue when the previous result went against them.
11. Additional guidance on wp:canvass talkpage. The notion that multiple postings (to all RfA !voters) are not excessive if they: a) are not solicitations to !vote; and b) are made to editors who had previously participated in a related discussion, was discussed at the guideline talkpage here.
12. Common sense. Common sense, which accords with the stated purpose of the guidance, suggests that one should not send notices to so many users as to lead to a disruptive influx of opinion. There was no disruption here.
13. Following the guidance. I'm keenly interested in adhering to the strictures of the guidance, now and in the future. Were the guidance changed to say, instead: "Editors should not contact more than X other editors per any AfD, and more than XY editors per a related group of Y AfDs ... even if the notices are even-handed, and made to parties who have been involved in related discussions", I would be happy to follow that new rule. Or any other new guidance.
Thank you for the opportunity to express my thoughts.--Epeefleche (talk) 10:54, 2 December 2010 (UTC)
Decline reason:
This block is being very actively discussed at WP:ANI ( permalink) and there is, at the very least, no consensus to overturn it. Instead, even after you have posted your overly long unblock request, most editors (including those who I have no reason to assume are or were involved in any dispute with you) agree that both your canvassing and your above attempt to justify it are inappropriate. Under these circumstances, an unblock is not currently indicated. I recommend that you wait until the ANI discussion concludes and then make another unblock request which takes into consideration the outcome of the discussion, and especially the opinions expressed by uninvolved users. Sandstein 20:02, 2 December 2010 (UTC)
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Epeefleche, you need to address the email issue. You also base your lengthy disquisition supporting your position on the view that editors participating in one AFD were "involved" in closely related AFDs they hadn't participated in, which is extremely shaky. I can see why you might think that, but perhaps you can also see that policy should not be interpreted that way. Rd232 talk 20:32, 2 December 2010 (UTC)
Holy smokes! You are all walking right into this one. I see that you too, Wjemather, have your e-mail services activated. So the above questions apply to you. Do you exchange e-mails with other wikipedians and not reveal the content of those e-mails on your talk page? Have you ever strategized with any of your wikipedian friends or requested their assistance with an on-Wiki matter? If you have done so, couldn’t that be seen as a violation of rules? Since you have your e-mail feature activated, and we are discussing another editor’s use of that feature (and you are criticizing that conduct), this seems a probative and fair question under the circumstances. Greg L ( talk) 21:15, 2 December 2010 (UTC)
let us sumSo what's really going on here. A good content editor with no block record at all is blocked for alleged canvasing. Let assume that canvassing really happened. Why the editor is blocked indefinitely? Was wikipedia threatened by their actions so much that an urgent block during AN/I discussion was warranted? What this block is going to prevent? This block is wrong, it is punitive. It created unnecessary drama. A blocking admin misused his administrative tools. I simply cannot believe that almost 24 hours later the editor is still blocked. The editor was blocked with no consensus by a single cowboy's administrative action. Surely they could be unblocked with no consensus either, and besides what Sandstein has missed in the unblock request is that the editor did apologize. To keep the editor blocked after an apology is not warranted at all. -- Mbz1 ( talk) 22:08, 2 December 2010 (UTC)
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I apologize for not having left comment at the AN/I (the basis for my block). My block prevented me from addressing mis-statements there. To clarify certain matters:
1. On-wiki note. I appreciate blocking sysop Kww having left the following note, after my unblock request:
"I could be persuaded to listen to a defense that claimed that while the original e-mail contacts where wholly inexcusable, the follow-up of 65 postings was an effort to repair the damage. Claiming that both actions were acceptable is a non-starter, though.—Kww"
Yes, my 65 postings were an effort to repair the damage raised by the cloud of suspicion created by Bull's complaint. Had his complaint been true, it would have meant that Keep !voters had been made aware of the related AfDs. But that Delete !voters had not. By contacting all AfD participants, I was eliminating that possibility.
While that addresses the 65 postings, one remaining issue troubles the blocking admin. That issue, which he indicates is the wholly inexcusable clear violation that is the remaining basis for my indef block, is my email contacts.
2. 2 Emails—recipients. The emails, discussed here and at the AN/I, consist of 2 identical emails. They were to DustFormsWords and to Dougweller.
Though I was a straight-Keep !voter at the related AfDs, Dust and Dougweller held views contrary to mine. Dust had !voted both Keep and Delete. Dougweller had only !voted Delete.
The editors were ones who I recognized as thoughtful editors. My purpose in contacting them was—as they had commented at the entertainer AfD, but not the co-extensive actor AfD—to let them know of the existence of the co-extensive AfD. (The emails did not mention the other 4 Jewish list AfDs).
3. 2 Emails—contents. The emails were completely neutral. They said:
Hi. I saw that you commented on a similar AfD, so in the event that it interest you I'm letting you know of the existence of this AfD: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/List_of_Jewish_actors
4. Possible third email. I believe I may have sent the same email to a third editor, but can't recall for sure if that was the case, or who it may have been. Having sent the 2 (or 3) emails through the wiki email feature, where the default is to not retain the email, I have no outbox record to check. -- Epeefleche ( talk) 19:48, 3 December 2010 (UTC)
You probably want to monitor WP:ANI#Epeefleche is at least talking, where I have solicited input as to whether you have met the unblock criterion. I don't believe you have, but I'm willing to listen to counterarguments.— Kww( talk) 21:27, 3 December 2010 (UTC)
Hi Epeefleche. Do you remember what was in the email you sent DGG; and was DGG !voting keep or delete in other AFD's? Anthony ( talk) 22:10, 3 December 2010 (UTC)
I'll unblock you on a simpler condition: state that you recognize that contacting other editors via e-mail about AFDs is always inappropriate, based on the "stealth canvassing" language at WP:CANVASS#Inappropriate notification, and you won't do so again.— Kww( talk) 22:32, 3 December 2010 (UTC)
You are unblocked. I'll assume good faith that your carefully and completely language won't be stretched to find specific reasons not to use talk pages. It's a vanishingly rare situation that there is a reason to discuss an AFD at any location besides the AFD itself.— Kww( talk) 23:24, 3 December 2010 (UTC)
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Spread the goodness of falafel by adding {{ subst:Falafel}} to someone's Talk page with a friendly message! Give a falafel sandwich to someone you've had disagreements with in the past, or to a good friend.
It has been suggested that consensus is impossible to find when there are too many participants in a discussion. This is not the case at AFD though as this has a simple binary proposition: to delete or not to delete. Examples of such discussions which had 100+ contributors but which still delivered a result include:
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Thanks for your efforts to motivate participation in our discussions. These can become stale and unproductive if we just hear from the usual suspects and so it is good to encourage others to speak up too. Colonel Warden ( talk) 09:43, 4 December 2010 (UTC) |
Some accusers asserted untruths, on the basis of which they urged sanctions. Misleading some editors; impacting some initial conclusions. Build a house on sand ... When the blocking admin reviewed my response as to the 65 notices, and presumably the guideline language and the interpretation clarifying that leaving 50 neutral notes comported with the guideline, he sagely dropped his determination that that was canvassing. When the eminently neutral emails sent to 2 editors with contrary views were discussed, it became clear that accusers had spread untruths about them, and that they also did not reflect canvassing.
Any editors inclined to continue the spreading of mis-statements, or creation of misunderstandings, are invited to edit pages other than this one.-- Epeefleche ( talk) 07:57, 5 December 2010 (UTC)
Hi. Since you seem to be the main editor of List of Jews in sports, I wondered if you'd ever considered creating an article on the topic of Jewish sportspeople? Wikipedia:Categorization/Ethnicity, gender, religion and sexuality states that:
Dedicated group-subject subcategories, such as Category:LGBT writers or Category:African American musicians, should be created only where that combination is itself recognized as a distinct and unique cultural topic in its own right. If a substantial and encyclopedic head article (not just a list) cannot be written for such a category, then the category should not be created. Please note that this does not mean that the head article must already exist before a category can be created, but that it must be at least possible to create one.
Given the existence of the list and of Category:Jewish sportspeople, such an article should be possible (and indeed the introduction to the list hints at some reasons for notbility). Would this be something that you might be interested in working on? Cordless Larry ( talk) 16:29, 4 January 2011 (UTC)
You have added a link to this list to lots of articles. The issue I have is that you have piped the link as "List of select foo-ers". What is select about them other than having an article and being identified as Jewish? The inclusion criteria for the list seems to be subjective since it is not specifically defined for each sport. I would certainly say that most of the golfers listed would not meet them, with David Merkow and Rob Oppenheim in particular having done nothing to warrant inclusion by even the loosest possible interpretation of the criteria.
As such, I think these criteria need revisiting. In the meantime, I have removed the word "select" from the golfer bios, and would suggest that you may wish to revisit and do the same for all the others. wjemather bigissue 10:53, 17 January 2011 (UTC)
To wjemather: I think your wikihounding of Epeefleche got out of hand quite some time ago. I suggest you just take him off your watch list, or stop looking at his contributions history, or whatever it is you are doing that enables you to so frequently parachute in on his work with comments about how you are displeased with his activities and how Wikipedia’s criteria need revisiting so Epeefleche’s work can better conform to your desires. Contributors are supposed to be able to make their contributions to the project without having their own, private Pit Bull nipping at their heels at every turn. Has it ever occurred to you that you might just (breathlessly) watch what he does and let some other editor raise an issue first, and then you can jump in to second the motion? It’s high time for you back off. You are clearly using Wikipedia as a tool to use in a personal vendetta. With 6,854,325 articles on Wikipedia, you could find a thousand constructive things to do. Instead you obsess over Epeefleche’s work on Jewish lists as if you fancy yourself as the one and only being on this pale blue dot willing to rescue earth from these lists. I suggest you accept the simple fact that if these Jewish lists are something the project doesn’t really need, the community is perfectly capable of dealing with the lists in its own good time. If you don’t wake up and smell the coffee on this free advise and keep at it, I expect that formal remedies will soon arise to separate you two; you may not like the remedy. Greg L ( talk) 19:57, 17 January 2011 (UTC)
I've added links for 4-5 people ... Not everything must be removed. Gradually, all will be. Not all at once. I've been working on an article a few months. We must respect the work of others. I understand the rules, but in other statya ethnic lists, too, there are red links. Талех ( talk) 15:19, 15 February 2011 (UTC)
Re your message: You would think it would be possible since there used to be a bot that watched the date pages and kept it clean of redlinks (I don't mean that bot-like editor =)). I think the biggest problem would be identifying all of the various list pages that would need to be monitoring, but I imagine that would be surmountable. I don't program bots, but perhaps one of the bot programmers would be interested in making something. Mufka recently asked Pseudomonas if PseudoBot could be resurrected. I would think that the code from PseudoBot could be adapted to look at other pages, but again, I don't program bots, so I have no real idea of the work involved. -- Gogo Dodo ( talk) 19:08, 23 February 2011 (UTC)
Please see the discussion I have started here. Cordless Larry ( talk) 04:16, 26 February 2011 (UTC)
Hi again. You reverted my removal of the infobox image from White American, citing consensus at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Ethnic groups. The discussion there is about the general principle of using such images. My concerns with the image in this particular article are spelled out on its talk page. I didn't remove it for the reasons discussed on the WikiProject but because of concerns about the specific image. Cordless Larry ( talk) 04:25, 26 February 2011 (UTC)
Hi. To try to resolve the "is it an official term" dispute, I've started an RfC for White American. Hopefully we can get some outside input. Please let me know if you think my summary isn't neutral (I tried to keep it short and hopefully people can read our discussion and make their own minds up). Cordless Larry ( talk) 14:52, 1 March 2011 (UTC)
Is it legitimate to say that "White American" is an official term used by the US government? RSs such as the The Washington Post report that the census is a survey of Americans, and that it reports inter alia on "the typical White American household". [19], and RSs such as The New York Times report that the census reports, inter alia, on "white Americans", [20] and the St. Petersburg Times reports that the Census Bureau studied "White American households". [21] The term used in the census, the primary source, is "White". Some editors believe that in context that means White American, as is supported by the aforementioned RSs. Others disagree. See discussion above for more details and arguments on either side.
-- Epeefleche ( talk) 15:35, 1 March 2011 (UTC)
" WP:PRIMARY says, in pertinent part, "Any interpretation of primary source material requires a reliable secondary source for that interpretation.... Do not make analytic, synthetic, interpretive, or evaluative claims about material found in a primary source."
-- Epeefleche ( talk) 16:07, 1 March 2011 (UTC)
Well, we've not exactly been inundated, have we? Not a single comment! It's a shame that while the deletion debate generated so much heat, people don't seem interested in improving the article. Cordless Larry ( talk) 02:02, 7 March 2011 (UTC)
What do you make of edits like this? That, and comments like this to an admin suggest to me that he simply enjoys attacking others and has no desire to conform to conduct expected. What do you think? Greg L ( talk) 22:53, 6 March 2011 (UTC)
Is there a reason you reordered the list of alumni on Long Beach High School (New York)? It was intentionally sorted by graduation year. You appear to have rearranged it to be alphabetical, but your comment is only "ce" (which I take to mean "copyedit"). In the meantime, I'm going to revert it. — Gordon P. Hemsley→ ✉ 00:46, 26 March 2011 (UTC)
How, exactly, does a multi-millionaire web mogul and talking head count as a mere "blogger"? The edit is inaccurate and obfuscating. You might as well call him a homeowner for all the helpfulness of that description. Or is this a POV thing? μηδείς ( talk) 18:20, 9 June 2011 (UTC)
Nine reverts in one day? See here: [22] μηδείς ( talk) 22:03, 9 June 2011 (UTC)
I generally keep my wits by posting my own thoughts and responding to other users cogently in one place rather than litter each smaller segment throughout. And as this isn't a mere vote count, I do think responding to one another is a valuable element that can help move a discussion beyond "A or B" or neither and to a different place between or beyond. I also seek to present a considered and contextual observation so there is less likelihood that someone will retort I haven't considered this aspect or nobody pointed out the fallacy of an earlier comment. I respect your work, but you listed a lot of scandals unrelated to each other or this; had you not, I'd not have spent several sentences refuting you! ;) Wit is fun to display but editorial consensus is better founded on wisdom, HOs notwithstanding, and I trust that any responsible editor interested in the debate will read every lucid argument presented. Conversely, the person who refuses to or gives the impression others needn't read a lengthy post with several valid points does not seem to be a responsible editor interested in the debate.
To that point, that page isn't the place to comment or respond to a comment on post length. I respectfully request that you self-revert your comment there as it is unhelpful to the discussion process and the development of a consensus. (If 22 fairly on-point sentences of mine were too much, three more by you to tell me so is not only off-point, but part of the problem, not part of the solution.) When someone who is or hopes to be viewed as a responsible editor (you) indulges in that sort of a comment, it has the dismissive effect of suggesting that not only was there nothing relevant or valid to respond to for you, but you'll point out to me and everybody there that you're not responding to it, and establish not responding to it, and so perhaps not even reading it in the first place, as a responsible editor's way to treat my post. It's very disrespectful to me, but more importantly to that thread, it's disrespectful to my points and to the discussion in general. To the pretense of constructive criticism in your comment, I take your point and I actually spend more time simply editing for concision than I do writing the thing, and more time than anybody would spend reading it. If someone doesn't have the time, let them skim or skip as they so choose, don't direct traffic around me.
I can be ignored for lengthiness all by myself, thank you!
I'll watch this page—and that one—for your response. Abrazame ( talk) 07:43, 15 June 2011 (UTC)
Truly, if you want to revert every single edit I make because I am the one who makes it, feel free. But simply accusing me of edit warring with every edit I make seems like a personal vendetta. I will report your next reversion as edit warring, so be warned. μηδείς ( talk) 05:21, 16 June 2011 (UTC)
Hi Epe, I like the edit you made diff - as you said, start there and see how it goes. Regards. Off2riorob ( talk) 00:23, 17 June 2011 (UTC)
First of all, don't use the word "warning". Have a little sense of perspective (and I shouldn't have to tell you that). Second, we've talked about this. The article should state Seidman's (and anyone else's) full background, not what someone calls him in a long list of Jewish football players without full explication of his background. I'm sure we can find thousands of sources that say James Earl Jones is African-American, but that doesn't mean his full background (Irish, Native, African) shouldn't be reported if available (it is). All Hallow's Wraith ( talk) 23:34, 20 June 2011 (UTC)
Hi, I just wanted to draw your attention to WP:CRIME, as I reverted the part of a recent addition you made [23] regarding an alleged crime. ConcernedVancouverite ( talk) 03:33, 22 June 2011 (UTC)
I have to say, I am very disappointed in your replacing that content to a BLP without any discussion. I was actually disappointed in you creating it with those opinionated sources and additions. Off2riorob ( talk) 23:50, 2 July 2011 (UTC)
Hi, I don't think Vassilis Tsitsanis is a copyvio. The text seems to have organically grown in Wikipedia during the years. Most likely the other site is copying us. Fut.Perf. ☼ 18:02, 8 July 2011 (UTC)
I see nothing in WP:DAB or WP:MOSDAB that allows for middle names, especially when the guy in question goes by "Bob". I'm not sure where your comment is pointing me to; it doesn't work for me/Firefox. Clarityfiend ( talk) 05:11, 12 July 2011 (UTC)
I am not a graduate of Brigham Young University. You assume too much. My page merely says that I attend or attened there. Beyond that your accusations are false. Deleting a category does not remove mention to something, because the thing is mentioned in the article. John Pack Lambert ( talk) 05:16, 15 August 2011 (UTC)
I have opened an administrator's noticeboard discussion about your uncalled for attempts to use the place where I recieved me education as a grounds for attack in AfD discussions. Your personnal attacks on me are both uncalled for and out of line with policy. John Pack Lambert ( talk) 06:05, 15 August 2011 (UTC)
You're being talked about in reference to apparent bias against (or for?) Bigamy Young University. ← Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 06:10, 15 August 2011 (UTC)
Go to dispute resolution right now if you wish to continue this. I will be reverting on this ad infinitum. You know it's false as well as I do. Assuming good faith no longer applies here. All Hallow's Wraith ( talk) 23:38, 24 August 2011 (UTC)
Please persevere through all the drama surrounding The Shells article and Rjanag. I believe such drama drives many good editors away, and I don't want it to happen to you. You do good work and I appreciate it. - Draeco ( talk) 00:29, 20 October 2009 (UTC)
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For your your valiant efforts to defend The Shells (folk band) article with your reasoned arguments and perseverance, and for taking conflicts in your stride and continuing undeterred with your good work as a Wikipedia editor. Illegitimi non carborundum. Contains Mild Peril ( talk) 01:44, 22 October 2009 (UTC) |
With heavy heart, I have reported Rjanag at the ANI here based on what I believe was grossly uncivil behavior during the Shells affair. It is neither a personal attack against him nor a favor to you, but his behavior compelled me to act. As an involved party I think you should know. - Draeco ( talk) 06:19, 22 October 2009 (UTC)
This may be too little too late, but I have left you a message with my apologies at Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case#Statement by Rjanag. Thank you, rʨanaɢ talk/ contribs 18:13, 24 October 2009 (UTC)
I participated in the first Shells AfD in question. AfD is a frequent stomping ground of mine, and I find it extremely common to see articles like The Shells to be put up for AfD, and just as common to see them deleted as a result of them not satisfying the basic notability and sourcing requirements of WP. Sometimes creators/editors who fail to accept that. There is occasionally dogged opposition to a deletion, which you demonstrated to see the article wasn't deleted, leading to bitter fights which may get personal. The Shells AfD was certainly one of those. I believe the tone set by Rjanag in the AfD was not appropriate, effectively winding up people who would have supported the deletion on the merits of the case alone that prevailed eventually. While I applaud you for your tenacious fight to keep the article, I believe that the lesson to be learned would be to strive for improved sourcing and better writing of an article to avoid the common pitfalls which lead to deletion. I have been upset when articles I have contributed significantly were put to AfD, because it's a natural tendency to want to look after one's baby. I know the above from Rjanag is not the unreserved apology you feel you deserve. But hard as it may be, I hope you will not take the deletion too personally. Perhaps one day, The Shells will be a notable band... I hope you will stay around for when that happens. Ohconfucius ¡digame! 04:05, 5 November 2009 (UTC)
Some terrific work there on Aafia Siddiqui Bachcell ( talk) 19:21, 15 February 2010 (UTC)
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Thank you for your Wikignome-like edits. What do you think, substantively? Bearian ( talk) 21:46, 10 April 2010 (UTC)
You've been doing incredible work on this article and I wanted to make it clear how much I appreciate your work on it. You've been prolific in editing the article, and adding in relevant information, and while I've followed this story myself, in all of your edits I've not disagreed with you once (maybe I missed something... or maybe I thought the police commissioner should be facing the other direction....). Thank you, and please keep up the good work. I'll try to help as much as I can. Shadowjams ( talk) 10:01, 5 May 2010 (UTC)
I've never given out a barnstar. But I imagine Jimbo deserves one for this. [26] [27] [28]
Can anyone suggest which template I might consider using? Thanks.-- Epeefleche ( talk) 05:34, 2 May 2010 (UTC)
Hi, I noticed your contributions and thought you might be interested in joining WikiProject Lacrosse. If you are interested in contributing more to Lacrosse related articles you may want to join WikiProject Lacrosse (signup here). -- Yarnalgo talk to me 17:46, 5 June 2010 (UTC)
Just indeffed Tom for disruptive editing per your report. Thanks, FASTILY (TALK) 01:22, 18 June 2010 (UTC)
Hi. I noticed that you just answered a concern for a user over on the wikiquette alert page. Could I impose on you to take a look at my entry and advise accordingly? Thanks. -- PMDrive1061 ( talk) 05:32, 21 June 2010 (UTC)
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Consider adding Sam Stoller to the list. He was an NCAA sprint champion and a remarkable man. Cbl62 ( talk) 23:15, 7 July 2010 (UTC)
It is a small world. Your DYK link for Cordoba House led me to the December, 2009, Times article--your source for the phrase, "its location was a selling point for the Muslims who bought the land." Although I don't recognize the building at all from the pictures, I shopped there when it was being operated by Sy Syms. I still have a couple of his coat hangers from that single trip in the early 1980s.
Curiously, Syms died last year, just about the time that Abdul Rauf was announcing his plans for Cordoba House--I don't think that was the cause.-- Komowkwa ( talk) 02:50, 5 August 2010 (UTC)
Thanks for your work on Blake J. Robbins v. Lower Merion School District. Blue Rasberry 04:58, 12 August 2010 (UTC)
nice work Decora ( talk) 17:54, 13 October 2010 (UTC)
...with the sourcing of Targeted killing as per that conversation at WP:RS/N, let me know. Bigger digger ( talk) 02:51, 20 October 2010 (UTC)
Hi -- I have noticed your comments about this editor in a few places, including Scottmac's talk page. You might have noticed mine as well: [29], on the Ed Miliband talk page, the Geim page, and [30] here. RFC/U requires that two editors have raised concerns with the user directly, on his talk page. I have already done that (the first link above, which he simply deleted). Nomoskedasticity ( talk) 08:05, 26 October 2010 (UTC)
Thanks for your work on this article! It's developed a lot since I created it a couple of days ago. There's an extra layer of depth now that I wasn't able to provide with just the BBC articles I was using. – Novem Lingvae ( talk) 06:40, 1 November 2010 (UTC)
Yay!!! – Novem Lingvae ( talk) 21:05, 2 November 2010 (UTC)
Hi,
I posted a proposal for a cleaner version of the bio. I'm not sure if you check the talk page (plus it was moved up by a few anon. comments) so I though I'd notify you here. Basically, it compresses redundant info. and puts sources in refs. Like, instead of saying something like "The Forward and RussianInfoCentre and Physics World reported that..." it would say ""Several sources (link to footnotes) reported that..." That way it just seems a lot more professional, and the flow improves significantly.
Please check it out, and make any suggestions if you want. Regards, -- Therexbanner ( talk) 17:32, 2 November 2010 (UTC)
Why don't you gey over yourself and leave living subjects alone, three Christian Grandparents makes him a whole lot not jewish, all the world can see he is a single quarter jew, the size of which is a minor genetic issue. Also if you are unable to discuss like adult and insst on adding silly templates to my talkpage then stay off my talkpage. Off2riorob ( talk) 14:36, 16 November 2010 (UTC)
Thanks for the heads up, I don't think they will succeed but it's good to know they're planning it. Did you let Jayjg know as well? Stuart.Jamieson ( talk) 08:23, 16 November 2010 (UTC)
I watch all the current Mets players and I must say that the Ike Davis article is the best of the lot, by far. Have you considered taking it perhaps to GA?-- brew crewer (yada, yada) 03:26, 15 December 2010 (UTC)
If you would like a copy of this article put in your userspace so you can include details within 75th Infantry Division (United States) or anywhere else, please do say so, and I'll do it. Regards Buckshot06 (talk) 21:15, 12 January 2011 (UTC)
I saw the quality of your contributions at DYK and clicked on over to your user page and was pretty impressed. Would you be interested in helping with the WP:Online_Ambassadors program? It's really a great opportunity to help university students become Wikipedia contributers. I hope you apply to become an ambassador, Sadads ( talk) 00:23, 22 January 2011 (UTC)
Hi Epeefleche, thanks for watching this article! Cheers. Farhikht ( talk) 12:57, 6 February 2011 (UTC)
Sandy Cohen (ice hockey)? Cheers.-- Mbz1 ( talk) 02:35, 15 February 2011 (UTC)
Are you sure that Rockefeller recruited Berg for the OSS? None of the references you cited there say that. Our Moe Berg article says "To do his part for the war effort, Berg accepted a position with Nelson Rockefeller's Office of Inter-American Affairs on January 5, 1942." Beyond My Ken ( talk) 02:23, 16 February 2011 (UTC)
Hello! I notice you've made a series of edits removing redlinks from this page. Do you mind if I revert your edits, temporarily leaving the unreferences redlinks you've removed, in order to work to provide references for those that I can? Many have entries in a single source, Killam & Rowe's Companion to African Literatures. Best, Dsp13 ( talk) 02:42, 17 February 2011 (UTC)
Sometimes it is hard to see the wood for the trees. Having now seen Fæ's perspective on that conversation... I can't do anything but see it in a new light. I think I do now see where you are coming from, while there was no intention to push anyone away I basically ended up going into a rant about WP:V :S And I finally see what you mean about removing others work; and while that specific example was unintentional (and probably a reasonable removal) I did just offhanded it as "not part of this discussion" :S Damn. I appreciate you getting me to finally consider this appropriately. (More delicately; I don't want this to come off as a way to appease you, reading Fæ's words has made it click and I will reflect on this.. "enthusiasm"). As I mentioned elsewhere in the RFA my other most active online forum is a community where we spar over ideas/thoughts/proposals and I suppose vestiges of that still exists, even if I miss them. Will work on this. -- Errant ( chat!) 11:21, 17 February 2011 (UTC)
I appreciate your additions to Orio Palmer. Cullen328 ( talk) 14:54, 19 February 2011 (UTC)
Heya Epeefleche,
I saw you modified some dates over on the List of home run records. I could care less, but I wanted to make sure I wasn't doing anything bad. I thought that styling a date as (example) 27 May was equally acceptable as styling it May 27. Have I been wrong in this assumption?
There should be more editors with your kind of good nature. You help make WP a better place to volunteer. Happy editing! Chris the speller ( talk) 20:59, 22 February 2011 (UTC)
I use wikEd on the Firefox browser. Firefox underlines misspellings in red, and wikEd allows the use of JavaScript regular expression syntax to find and correct errors. I have some examples on my /regular subpage. I have many more regular expression scripts, in case you were looking for something special; just ask. Happy editing! Chris the speller ( talk) 15:34, 23 February 2011 (UTC)
right church, wrong pew - I love that; well said.
" Is this the right room for an argument?" hehe.
Gods, I really do hate RfA, sometimes. Always, actually. Chzz ► 17:22, 24 February 2011 (UTC)
Hi Epeefleche, Just wondering – if you've any spare time – if you'd have a look at Ntrepid to see whether anything can be added etc. I'd like to take it to DYK but it's a bit on the short side; there's not much info on this shadowy organisation. Thanks, Ericoides ( talk) 07:50, 25 March 2011 (UTC)
Just an FYI, posted a GA review. Staxringold talk contribs 22:38, 27 March 2011 (UTC)
Hi. Please don't make random formatting changes to the date articles as you have done here. The date articles conform to a template and the formatting shouldn't be changed without discussion to consensus at WT:DAYS. Thanks. – Mufka (u) (t) (c) 23:26, 1 September 2011 (UTC)
Year articles ( 1795, 1955, 2007) should not be linked unless they contain information that is germane and topical to the subject matter—that is, the events in the year article should share an important connection other than merely that they occurred in the same year. For instance, Timeline of World War II (1942) may be linked to from another article about WWII, and so too may 1787 in science when writing about a particular development on the metric system in that year. However, the years of birth and death of architect Philip C. Johnson should not be linked, because little, if any, of the contents of 1906 and 2005 are germane to either Johnson or to architecture. [emphasis added]
Hello. You recently gave me a warning for unreferenced content in the biography of a living person. I can certainly understand your likely thought process in doing so, but I feel inclined to defend my reputation. When I read the warning, I was particularly confused because I never remembered reading, or editing, the article in question: Ryan Braun. Upon inspection, it was labeled as an edit performed with Huggle; however, I have no memory of reverting the deletion of information regarding Braun's sexuality. More interestingly, the automatically created edit summary says that I reverted four consecutive edits in one click. This last bit of information shows that something strange was happening. I believe I figured out what.
After looking through the recent edits to that page, I noticed one which I have a memory of seeing and reverting on Huggle. I made the controversial revert while scrolling back a bit to older edits made a few minutes before. The aforementioned edit, it seems, was vandalism built on vandalism; when I saw it, I clicked "revert". However, in the three minutes that had elapsed since 24.36.38.61's edit at 1:39, other edits had been made, including good-faith ones. Huggle, thus, reverted all edits made at and after 1:39, while I did not know that such edits had been made. In the past, I had seen Huggle stopping me from accidently editing pages that had been already reverted between the time I was seeing them and the time they were loaded onto Huggle, so I assumed that this would always be the case. Apparently it wasn't.
I apologize for any misunderstanding, and hope that I have explained adequately how my controversial revert was, due to partially human and partially computer error, reverting the wrong things. Thank you for reading. Marechal Ney ( talk) 03:15, 15 October 2011 (UTC)
Hi Epeefleche,
Please if I can ask you for help regarding the issue of one particular edition, reflected on my talk-page. In my edition on the subject of J Street I was accused by user Malik Shabazz for Copyright violation As you are highly respected expert in this field I would like you to ask for your opinion regarding this issue. I am sure that my edition (which was removed by user Malik Shabazz do not constitute Copyright violation).
Here is my article that was written at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/J_Street#Funding and later removed by Malik
According to the The Washington Times, J street has been co-funded by directors of organizations such as the Arab American Institute and the National Iranian American Council. Also, J Street funds have been raised from a lawyer who represented the embassy of Saudi Arabia in Washington, and from Ray Close, a former foreign agent for Saudi Arabia, who was also a CIA station chief in Saudi Arabia, and have allegedly worked for the former head of Saudi intelligence service. The Washington Times reported that J Street had been paying Ben-Or Consulting, a company which is partially owned by Ben Ami, tens of thousands of dollars. This findings, presented by The Washington Times, are showing that Ben-Or Consulting , the Tel Aviv-based company partially owned by Ben-Ami, charged J Street at least 56,000 dollars in consultation fees, prompting charity experts to raise ethical issues regarding Ben Ami's conflict of interest and self- dealinghttp://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2010/dec/30/jewish-group-pays-pr-firm-co-owned-by-president/?page=1
Objections stated by Malik Shabazz are looking non sense for me, and are written on my talk-page- Please can you give me your opinion on this issue? -- Tritomex ( talk) 02:14, 16 November 2011 (UTC)
Hi Epeefleche - I've reverted your ndash changes as they didn't seem to make any sense. Some were changing the content of bot-generated text in citations, one was incorrectly changing hyphens to ndashes in a numeric date. Colonies Chris ( talk) 14:19, 10 January 2013 (UTC)
What does "snow" mean? In an AfD comment, you said "Keep. Perhaps even a snow, given the consensus above." [32] Pro crast in a tor ( talk) 00:00, 7 February 2013 (UTC)
What is going on with him? I see you've run into him at your Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Lockleys North Primary School, and you may have noticed he brought your schools AfDs up in Dream Focus' ANI recently. The guy seems perfectly willing to ignore the consensus from the zillions of previous school AfDs. Not only that, he accuses me of WP:IDIDNTHEARTHAT and WP:COMPETENCE because I reaffirm that consensus; at the same time offering a frankly ridiculous argument that age is a determinant. He also left a TLDR diatribe on my talk page that was essentially a borderline personal attack. Frankly, he's turning into Dream Focus Jr. Would you do me a favor and tell him to tone it down? Purpleback pack 89≈≈≈≈ 00:26, 25 January 2012 (UTC)
You had said if Danjel keeps it up I should report him to ANI. He continues to lambaste my rationale for deletion, even when it isn't relevant. But most disturbing, he called Fmph a troll, for no other reason than disagreeing with him. I told him to stop that on his page; he rolled back my comment. I think the only way to get him to stop is to get admin action against him; but if I start an ANI thread; he'll BOOMERANG with accusations against us. Should I take him to ANI anyway? Purpleback pack 89≈≈≈≈ 20:54, 9 February 2012 (UTC)
Hello. This message is being sent to inform you that there is currently a discussion at Wikipedia:Dispute resolution noticeboard regarding an issue with which you may have been involved. The thread is " User:Danjel and school AfDs". Thank you. -- Purpleback pack 89≈≈≈≈ 00:30, 10 February 2012 (UTC)
Hello. There is currently a discussion at Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents regarding an issue with which you may have been involved. Thank you.
It's Danjel again. He keeps bringing up those schools you nominated for deletion or merger p b p 01:18, 6 December 2012 (UTC)
Please do not remove content or templates from pages on Wikipedia, as you did to
Anglican Church Grammar School, without giving a valid reason for the removal in the
edit summary. Your content removal does not appear constructive and has been
reverted. Please make use of the
sandbox if you'd like to experiment with test edits. Thank you. Despite your edit summary, you clumsily also removed content that was properly referenced. You also failed to account for
WP:PRESERVE by seeking to find an appropriate source, which
turned up as the top result in a google search. This is now the second time this has been raised with you, the first being
Talk:All_Hallows'_School#Removal_of_House_System_section. ˜
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Hello. There is currently a discussion at Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents regarding I feel that this is the only way to get you to look for sources, rather than just delete tagged content, per WP:PRESERVE. The thread is Disruptive deletion of content. Thank you.— Preceding unsigned comment added by Danjel ( talk • contribs) date
Please stop your
disruptive editing. If you continue to blank out or remove portions of page content, templates or other materials from Wikipedia, you may be
blocked from editing. Thank you. This has been previously raised with you
here,
here and at ANI
here (where one of the outcomes was "Google takes all but a few seconds and is worth the effort", as it did in this case). ˜
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Hello, Epeefleche. Please be aware that a user conduct request for comment has been filed concerning your conduct on Wikipedia. The RFC entry is located at Wikipedia:Requests for comment/Epeefleche, where you may want to participate. ˜ danjel [ talk | contribs ] 05:37, 15 January 2013 (UTC)
I have mentioned you at AN/I with regards to a request to block User:Danjel. ClaudeReigns ( talk) 20:16, 27 January 2013 (UTC)
Did you see that? It appears that, after the RfC/U on you wasn't going his way, Danjel is attempting to discredit the people who disagree with him. He's basically mentioned every single participant in the RfC/U except TParis and me. Dude needs to drop the stick and back away, and we need to get that interaction ban in place ASAP. Also, he probably should have notified you that your name was mentioned in an SPI p b p 17:36, 31 January 2013 (UTC)
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Wow, your talk page is almost as busy as mine! Anyway, I've passed Fuld. Nice work. :) HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 15:50, 10 March 2011 (UTC)
Hi there. You recently uploaded a number of images with claims of fair use. In case you were not aware, a rationale of "for use in the infobox" is not sufficient. You must provide a detailed and valid reason for including the image in the article (the purpose) to explain why it meets our non-free content criteria policy. For the images you have uploaded I would say they are "the primary means of visual identification of the subject or topic". Please also see our non-free use rationale guideline for further guidance. Regards, wjemather bigissue 10:20, 19 March 2011 (UTC)
Despite Greg reaffirming that you must provide proper rationale for these images and giving further guidance, and having had plenty of time, you have still not done so. In my view is is unwise for an editor with an open CCI case to demonstrate further total disregard for copyright issues. This is the final warning you will receive in this regard. Please do as requested and rectify this as soon as possible. wjemather bigissue 08:25, 20 March 2011 (UTC)
First of all, the truly fundamental issue is being discussed at AN/I here. The issue being, given the history of hounding and warnings described there, and the most current events in the wake of the recent 2-day block of WJE for same, how we should address matters.
Second, as to the substantive "image rationale" question you pose, the simple answer is that WJE failed to supply any diffs. But I would guess he is referring to my add of an image and rationale for a book cover (no images of people) of a book on philanthropy. And my similar adds of 5 covers/logos of local US Jewish newspapers (again, no images of people; let me know if you need those diffs as well).
He attacked my "use in infobox" rationale for the images. However, that is the accepted rationale for many thousands of such images.
Furthermore, I added those images and rationales only after receiving precise, detailed advice from senior editor Beyond My Ken (who focuses on images), which I followed.
See BMK advice, and BMK's comments on the substance of WJE's assertions here ("technically correct, but in my opinion is being overly pedantic. ... As far as I am aware, most people understand that "for use in the infobox" means "to visually identify the subject of the article" or whatever wordage the editor used. Per WP:BURO I don't think it's absolutely necessary to change what you did (on my advice)").
Inasmuch as WJE has been requested to stop posting on my tp, and I would hope he will comply with my request at this point so as to not violate wp:harass, I imagine if he wishes to communicate with you on this issue he will do so on your tp or in some other manner.-- Epeefleche ( talk) 03:11, 21 March 2011 (UTC)
Hi, I know you help clear out unreferenced redlinks in lists of people - I have a question about the guidelines there on which I'd be interested to hear your view. Dsp13 ( talk) 21:34, 25 March 2011 (UTC)
Hello again Epeefleche,
so I agree with you that a wikipage or a reference should be present for each player in the list. For this reason I'm beginning to create missing wikipages. Therefor I gently ask you to not remove random players from the list since the list is curretly acting as my reference point. If you would like to helo you could create missing players wikipages. Cialo ( talk) 14:07, 26 March 2011 (UTC)
Thank you for your work with dab... I have created the table tennis players paged and linked ;) -- Cialo ( talk) 13:05, 6 May 2011 (UTC)
I appreciate your taking the time to select some images for List of sports-related people from Mississippi ( diff). Given the number of available choices, I like the selections that you made. — CobraWiki ( jabber | stuff ) 17:21, 1 April 2011 (UTC)
Started the review! Staxringold talk
Can you slow down with the prods of Polish musical groups and bands? Just looking quickly at the large number you recently prodded I can tell that you're tagging a lot of groups which are very clearly notable (anyone even vaguely familiar with Polish rock music would have heard of them - which is also evidence by the interiwiki links in some of them). But at the rate you're going it might be difficult to keep up with you. Volunteer Marek ( talk) 05:48, 22 May 2011 (UTC)
I've restored both of these articles per a request at WP:REFUND. However, I'm curious as to why you used a CSD rationale as your PROD reason. If you think these 2 articles should be speedy deleted then why not just use {{db-band}}? -- Ron Ritzman ( talk) 00:05, 24 May 2011 (UTC)
Hello Epeefleche. I am just letting you know that I declined the speedy deletion of H'Sao, a page you tagged for speedy deletion, because of the following concern: Probably sufficient info to avoid Speedy. maybe PROD or AfD would be a better choice. Thank you. Alexf (talk) 18:41, 1 June 2011 (UTC)
Just a simple thanks for your hard work! Regards, Tinton5 ( talk) 19:27, 22 June 2011 (UTC)
Just wanted you to know that I struck my delete vote at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Shaarei Tefillah based upon your improvements to the article. Good job. Cheers. Griswaldo ( talk) 13:10, 28 June 2011 (UTC)
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I saw your addition of Dan Grunfeld as a notable to the article for Franklin Lakes, New Jersey. No source was included to support his residence there. I know that his father Ernie Grunfeld lived there during Dan's early childhood to teens, as is stated and sourced in Ernie's article, but I can't find any reliable and verifiable source to support that Dan lived there. The same issue applies to his inclusion on the New Jersey notables article. I have very strong reasons to believe he did live in Franklin Lakes, but without a source there's an issue. What source were you relying on? Alansohn ( talk) 20:52, 29 July 2011 (UTC)
Cheers for writing the article Hanna Zemer. Please try to use the template {{ WikiProject Israel}} and not WP Israel (for compatibility reasons). — Ynhockey ( Talk) 09:53, 9 August 2011 (UTC)
Great work expanding the Jack Mealey page. Alex ( talk) 02:15, 5 August 2011 (UTC)
could you stop to continue to cancel part of the article? "There must be an article on the subject, or a ref--or the entry is to be deleted" is it a rule of wikipedia? if it creates proplems to you, begin to write an article about the subjects! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 62.10.250.134 ( talk) 17:49, 10 August 2011 (UTC)
There is currently a dispute resolution open for a page I've been trying (unsuccessfully) to resolve, Heroes in Hell. The dispute page is located here and the relevant dialogue related to this dispute is on the talk page of the article. It would be helpful to get another opinion in here from someone uninvolved with the dispute. I must warn you though, you might want to get comfy before you start going through this material-- there's a lot to read. I, Jethrobot drop me a line (note: not a bot!) 04:55, 17 August 2011 (UTC)
In the article Strange Son, the citation is the one that appears next. I'm not sure how it isn't clear that the citation with the sentence, "Nigel Cole (A Lot Like Love; Calendar Girls) has signed on to helm Strange Son for Revolution Studios, Variety has revealed." doesn't make it clear what is the correct citation for the sentence. Joe Chill ( talk) 19:34, 22 August 2011 (UTC)
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Thanks for your great work on Hebrew authors! Ijon ( talk) 21:06, 29 August 2011 (UTC) |
Hello!
Just wanted to say thanks for your kind words :) Actually, it was you who "forced" me to make the related article a bit better, as following you created the talk page it appeared in my watchlist and when checked the page I was so terrible upset to see in what condition the article is. (Duh, I hate to see one line stubs. Why did I not expand it earlier...)
On the other hand, as I saw, you edited a lot of Jewish related articles so I guess you have the knowledge and sources. Márton has a younger brother, János Vas, who has to be a Jew as well. Maybe is there a reference that supports it? It could be a good addition to the article. -- Thehoboclown ( talk) 13:44, 15 October 2011 (UTC)
My reliable source on Mike Morse (Baseball) being engaged is I know the woman he is engaged to. It's not published in an article, but I do know for a fact that they are engaged. Please put that back up on Wikipedia.
Thank You — Preceding unsigned comment added by 216.116.187.166 ( talk) 00:42, 19 October 2011 (UTC)
I agree with deletion of swimmers with no articles or RS supporting them. I've expanded the intro to better specify inclusion criteria, and added a source for one of the redlinks.
Per WP:BURDEN we should do a cursory search on the web/news/books for RS before deleting the rest of the redlinks. Since WP:N doesn't apply to list contents, but WP:V does, how about using large athlete statistics websites as sufficient RS for inclusion or a news article? Stats sites have been used as RS in vast swaths of sports articles, so how about this one? Of course, wherever multiple RS are found, the athlete's article should just be stubbed and sourced. -- Lexein ( talk) 13:24, 2 November 2011 (UTC)
That whole sentence-in-each-article has to be revisited. It's the strangest thing I have ever come across Wikipedia. Templating dozens of articles with some new-fangled verbiage with RS's not on the direct subject? It violates all kinds of wiki-policies, let alone that no other encyclpedia has anything similar. Then editors are blocked if they don't follow the guideline? It's really wacko. Where is this discussion anyway? I found this discussion about proposal to add the word "settlement" into the first sentence of dozens of article and that failed as "no consensus." How and where did this happen? -- brew crewer (yada, yada) 03:54, 18 November 2011 (UTC)
I thought I should let you know I have honest concerns about Mkativerata’s conduct and honestly and frankly expressed them on his talk page ( ∆ edit, here). Greg L ( talk) 01:50, 23 November 2011 (UTC)
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04:28, 23 November 2011 (UTC)Epeefleche ( block log • active blocks • global blocks • contribs • deleted contribs • filter log • creation log • change block settings • unblock • checkuser ( log))
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I certainly didn't intend to disrupt the CCI, and don't intend to in the future.
Just the opposite. I had already firmly committed to assisting the CCI. [33] [34] And I've already started to help out at the CCI policy page. [35] [36]
I (mistakenly) honestly thought Mkat (M) was an involved editor in the I-P area. Because that is what his user page says. I also honestly was concerned that his blankings of bios of Olympic athletes were retribution, as I recalled reviewers leaving 1-line stubs instead. I now understand from M that he is not in fact an involved editor, and from Moon that blanking is the norm. I apologize to M for my mistakes, and hope he can understand how I made them honestly.
Further details, below.
1. Voluntary Clean-up. I acknowledged my mistakes. And I volunteered to help clean up my inadvertent copyvios, as I mentioned at ANI. In whatever way others considered most helpful. See my conversations with Elen, Moon, and M, in which the details of my assistance—including how I can delete violations I discover, flag checked text for the benefit of reviewers (without making any determinations myself), and timing—are discussed. [37] [38] [39]
A significant number of commenting editors ( Wizardman, Hut, etc) [40] seem to have missed this completely. Their comments indicate they thought the opposite was the case.
BTW—I appreciate that M himself indicated that my more recent edits, over the past year, did not contain copyvios ("Fact: Everything I've seen Epeefleche create since the CCI started is copyvio-free."). I take my commitment here seriously, and I appreciate the gravity of copyright issues.
2. Support CCI. I'm fully supportive of the CCI moving forward. And have been fully supportive of all copyvios being deleted (if not fixed.) I've said this at ANI as well. The pace of remediation will accelerate with my assistance. [41] [42] [43]
I'm also happy to volunteer to assist with an additional CCI, of Moon or Mkat's choosing, given the backlog they mention. I've devoted much of my time over the years to helping improve the Project in various areas, and I'm happy to do it here.
3. Voluntary CCI Policy Copyediting. As a first step in assisting pro-actively in CCI clean-up, I undertook to and already began to copy-edit our CCI policy. [44] [45] For clarity. To be transparent and collaborative, I also opened up discussion at our CCI policy talkpage, explaining my effort. [46] Moon responded positively there.
4. CCI Article Edits. As to assertions of "CCI disruption"—my editing of CCI articles reflects that the opposite is the case. I've made only 3 article edits, ever, following deletions of text in CCI article clean-up efforts. [47] [48] [49] Each edit was an effort to respond to M's concerns. My last edit did just that, it would appear. I never made any edits at all that interfered with CCI cleanup; just the opposite.
5. Mkat and I generally agree. Interestingly, M and I may well agree on 99% of his deletions. In all of the sentences he (and others) deleted at the CCI, to this point we've only disagreed with regard to 2 sentences. In each instance, I was able to address his concern.
6. Efforts at talkpage discussion. After revising the 2 sentences mentioned above, to allay M's concerns, I did seek (without success) to engage M in talkpage discussion. [50] To better understand his reasoning. And better communicate my views. My effort was not intended to be disruptive; just the opposite.
Similarly, I (and other editors) [51] [52] [53] asked M this week, re 2 articles that he had blanked, which sentences concerned him. [54] [55] I asked so I could address his concerns, if possible. I said that at the time. In the one article mentioned above in which we had worked together, he had done exactly that. I thought it a normal request. I didn't ask him about the deleted sentences at the TK article, because I knew which they were (and had not contested his deletion). I also inquired as to whether we have a review process if editors have different views (because we do have a review process for articles deleted at AFD, but I couldn't find one here.)
7. ANI. I opened the ANI because: a) M said a "close paraphrase" existed where I did not believe that was the case (I'm not alone in this view); b) he was not communicating with me at the talkpage; and c) I felt that in the absence of communication from him it would be helpful to have more eyes on our interactions. [56] A number who spoke to these issues at ANI raised the same points. [57] [58] [59] [60] [61] [62] [63] [64] [65] Notably, that was all I requested. I didn't ask for any sanctions, as a disruptive battleground editor might. I asked for only one thing—simply more eyes on future interactions. [66]
8. "Involved Editor" discussion. My understanding that M was an involved editor in the ARBPIA area was based entirely on M's own statement, on his userpage. [67] [68] If what he meant in that self-identification is not what I naturally understood it to be—which seems to be what he has said most recently—then I withdraw my comment, and apologize for any confusion. I wasn't making a personal assessment. I simply accepted at face value his own statement. I stated this at the ANI. I had no way of knowing that M's self-identification as an editor involved in the I-P conflict didn't mean what it said on its face. But again—while some editors (Prioryman, etc.) think I made a personal assessment of M in this regard, or even expressed a view as to his leanings, I did nothing of the sort (it may be that I've been confused with others). Given my mistake here, I'll avoid any future criticisms of M, for any reason (including those relating to wp:admin).
9. No canvassing. There was clearly not any " canvassing". I left a neutral note. At the talkpages of 3 editors. Editors who had divergent views. And who were involved in the CCI discussion to which the ANI related, and which M had referred to.
10. Others. As to the editor M says was "attacked", by me saying that the editor was hounding me? That editor was in fact found to be hounding me. And was interaction banned. While the CCI is appropriate, the editor was indeed banned. As to Spl—I don't recall that as having being part of this CCI, though we did have a strong difference of view on a substantive copyright matter.
12. Retribution and article blanking—withdrawn. I had the honest impression—based on my prior CCI experience of articles being stubbed to one sentence—that M was acting in retribution by not leaving such a 1-sentence stub. [69] I now accept what Moon has helpfully explained. Based on that, my initial impression was mistaken.
13. Close Paraphrase. There seems to be a wide divide between M and Hobit [70] [71] [72] [73]/Geo Swan [74] [75]/Stuart Jamieson [76] (for example), as to what constitutes a "close paraphrase". [77] That's the only substantive difference that M and I have had since the CCI was launched, as far as I can recall. I share the view expressed by Hobit et al. Perhaps someone can suggest a way to determine which view is correct—perhaps even (recognizing that they are busy at the moment) seeking input from one of the foundation lawyers.
As I mentioned to M and Moon a couple of days ago, I have limited access to computers until a week from now, and cannot add diffs from this computer at the moment, so please understand if you only hear from me intermittently (that's also the reason for the delay in this response). Also, if you could copy/paste this into the ANI, that would be appreciated Epeefleche ( talk) 03:19, 24 November 2011 (UTC)
Decline reason:
Clearing the unblock requests, declining at this time but encourage user to continue discussion about possible agreement to unblock and resubmit when an accord has been reached. WGFinley ( talk) 22:57, 6 December 2011 (UTC)
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The common sense thing to do here (and while I do think there's a good number of copyvios that Eppefleche was - probably out of ignorance - responsible for, see Targeted killing, I also think the indef block was excessive and unjustified) is to unblock him but request that he first participate fully and in good faith in the clean up, before he resumes normal editing. So...
That way it's a win-win. The copyvios get cleaned up faster and Epee gets to go back to normal editing. While copyvio is a very serious concern, 1) it's actually a Wikipedia wide problem and who knows how many people do it, a random selection of articles suggests that it's pretty common - and this is because we NEVER educate editors as to how not to commit copyvios (hell, "NO COPYVIOs" isn't even one of the main pillars!), and 2) these seem to have been made in good faith. I think at some point Eppefleche got a little defensive and rather than helping to resolve his old mistakes made things worse by his comments and posts - but still, I don't see how keeping the indef block in place would benefit either him/her or the project.
Volunteer Marek
04:33, 24 November 2011 (UTC)
Posting on behalf of Epeefleche, with permission; copied from his email to me.
@Close Para issue, etc. Mkat (himself) wrote: "Fact: everything I've seen Epeefleche create since the CCI started is copyvio-free." [78]
I've been asked to share my understanding as to what constitutes a "close paraphrase" (CP). A CP is a copyviolation. One must, as described below, limit similarity in creative linguistic characteristics and structure to the point that they are non-substantial. [79] [80] [81]
US caselaw suggests that there is not a copyviolation unless the copying is "substantial" both in quantity and in quality. Courts consider additional factors that include: a) the size of the entire work vs the copied text, b) the level of creativity in the copied text, c) the uniqueness and intricacy of the copied text, and d) how "central" the copied text is. [82] [83]
When CP has been asserted, I've sought to address concerns via good faith remediation. As Unscintillating indicates, I did this in the Berman article. [84] [85] I've also tried to engage the asserter in discussion on the article talkpage, if remediation did not satisfy him. As suggested by our rules on CP. See the Berman talkpage.
As Moon said, " Sometimes there are good faith disagreements as to what constitutes a close paraphrase. It happens". As Hobit, Jamieson, and Geo's extensive comments at ANI indicate, this was the case with Berman edit # 3. They all thought that the text deleted in that edit was not a CP. Feist and its progeny are relevant US caselaw. [86] [87]
5 But the key take-away is that even in that instance, I sought to remediate and address any felt concerns.
In the future, where a CP violation would otherwise exist, I'll apply more often Mkat's suggestion that "in-text attribution is a way around the problem". Excision is another solution. Another remedy is the use in accordance with our non-free content policy of a short quotation. Use—if available—of public domain or compatibly licensed sources avoids the issue, as does permission of the copyright holder. It can also be helpful to use multiple refs. [88] [89] [90]
To avoid causing confusion, I'm not responding to any of his words in this edit, but just sharing them. :) -- Moonriddengirl (talk) 23:56, 26 November 2011 (UTC)
Epeefleche, who should be back at a computer with web access soon, sends the following:
Passed along verbatim at his request. -- Moonriddengirl (talk) 00:30, 28 November 2011 (UTC)
The problem here has not been in your clean up work; the problem has been in your insinuative and aggressive stance towards Mkativerata and some of the others who have addressed copyright issues with you. I don't remember ever having any particular problems with you myself, but I've been shocked by the way you have pursued the recent work on your CCI and am actually impressed that Mkativerata is persisting in the face of it. I have seen CCI cleaners run off of CCIs before by aggressive CCI subjects; it's a major source of disruption in that thankless and understaffed field. You certainly would be welcome (by me, anyway) to rewrite problematic content from scratch. But you have to stay out of the way of people evaluating it and not follow along repeatedly asking "What's wrong with this article?" And you certainly can't personalize it in the way that you have. There are literally thousands of articles to be evaluated; nobody will ever be able to finish if you do that. And there is a growing body of evidence that there are problems in many articles.
CCI will undoubtedly cost some content that is not a copyright problem. That's unfortunate. One of the main purposes of CCI is to try to avoid this, by giving each article evaluation, but it is not completely avoidable since we cannot access all of your sources and we are not able to presume that any of the content you wrote in this period is free of problems. There will very likely be points in the CCI when somebody will blank an article you wrote because it looks like it might have been copied and the sources can't be checked. In the ordinary course of "copyright problem" board work, we don't delete content because it looks like it might have been copied. In a CCI, we sometimes must. CCI remains preferable to the alternative, which is the presumptive deletion of everything per Wikipedia:Copyright violations.
The most constructive way you can contribute is not to say "Prove this one is a problem" but to simply replace challenged text with new, rewritten from scratch. It may not be fun, especially if you think that the original text was fine, but it is the most expeditious way to get through the tedious work of evaluating each of these articles and replacing any confirmed or likely problems. Nobody wants to have to do this, but unfortunately your work in this period has required it. While it may not be a copyright standard you would adopt for Wikipedia, it is the one the community has embraced. Given your skills, I'm pretty sure you could be a force for good in this if you would just put your focus to the cleanup instead of challenging the need for it. :) Barring that, I think your only other option would be to just stay out of the way and do your work elsewhere.
To that end, I have a proposal. I'm not going to unblock you myself, but will reproduce this next paragraph at ANI for community input. It's possible that my proposal will be shot down. :)
I would support your unblock if you would pledge to stop slowing progress (1) by challenging (openly or by insinuation) the existence of the problem and/or (2) by casting aspersions on the competence or motivations of the people doing the work and would instead agree to focus (if you work on the CCI at all) on rewriting content from scratch. Alternatively, I would support your unblock if you were topic banned from the CCI - which would mean staying away from any article tagged as a problem until after it has been resolved and from the people who tag them in any venue. Because I'm never comfortable with silencing people, I would be okay in that case with your having one acceptable person to whom you can email, agreed upon by the community at ANI. This will avoid you becoming a target of an actual vendetta if somebody should choose to take advantage of your vulnerable position. Email to one neutral, designated person rather than on-Wiki communication would eliminate any unintended disruption, as public aspersions on a CCI volunteer in any venue may have a "chilling" effect especially if others are influenced by your accusations. If the person chosen for you to contact agrees there is an issue, he or she may raise it in an appropriate venue.
Apologies for the length. -- Moonriddengirl (talk) 12:53, 24 November 2011 (UTC)
Just for context here, the scenario you describe certainly can happen, but this is not always what we are seeing with Epeefleche. Since I can't reproduce the whole thing here per our policies, this was the first paragraph in the source used for the article Benny Bass (now rev deleted):
Regarding Benny Bass, Jack Dempsey was quoted as saying: "He is the greatest fighter of his weight and inches I have ever set my eyes upon." At a diminutive 5' 2", Benny possessed a bull neck and extraordinary musculature around his shoulders & biceps. He was a powerful force & rarely fought at over 130 pounds. Bass was one of the hardest punchers ever in the featherweight & jr. lightweight divisions. Contemporary Ring Magazine writer, Francis Albertani, described Benny as "A deadly puncher, cool as the proverbial pebble under fire & a masterful boxer."
This was the first paragraph Epeefleche placed in the article. For clarity, I'm bolding precise duplication.
Regarding Benny Bass, Jack Dempsey was quoted as saying: "He is the greatest fighter of his weight and inches I have ever set my eyes upon."[citation omitted] At a diminutive 5' 2", Benny possessed a bull neck and extraordinary musculature around his shoulders & biceps. He was a powerful force & rarely fought at over 130 pounds. Bass was one of the hardest punchers ever in the featherweight and junior lightweight divisions. Contemporary Ring Magazine writer, Francis Albertani, described Benny as "A deadly puncher, cool as the proverbial pebble under fire and a masterful boxer."
The third to the last paragraph in the source says:
Benny was no dummy, however, and even though he lacked much formal scholastic training he had a sharp mind, as evinced by his fluency in five languages. Applying himself with the same resolve he had displayed in the ring, Benny passed a Civil Service exam and worked a desk job for the Philadelphia traffic courts for many years.
This the last paragraph Epeefleche placed in that section:
Benny was no dummy, however, and even though he lacked much formal scholastic training he had a sharp mind, as evinced by his fluency in five languages. Applying himself with the same resolve he had displayed in the ring, Benny passed a Civil Service exam and worked a desk job for the Philadelphia traffic courts for many years.
Some of the content between was original, I believe most of it was not. This remained in publication for years before it was detected, I'm afraid.
While this is among the more extreme set of examples, it is not alone. Epeefleche may have improved his practices in recent years (I'm told he has and don't doubt it), but his violations of copyright policy in articles like these are pretty blatant. -- Moonriddengirl (talk) 12:01, 7 December 2011 (UTC)
The opinion, deciding a case brought by two human rights groups, the Public Committee Against Torture in Israel and the Palestinian Society for the Protection of Human Rights and the Environment, set forth [note: preceeding is not even mentioned in Haaretz, and thus is more of a problem with WP:V what is allowed and what is prohibited, and the directives it gave assured future judicial oversight of all cases in which a targeted killing exceeds the limits of these rules. If it should turn out that a targeted killing was illegal, it might lead to a trial and the paying of compensation to the innocent civilians who were hurt by it. Under the ruling, those involved in causing terror are civilians who have lost the protection granted to civilians "for the period of time during which they take direct part in hostile acts." The question of whether they continue to constitute a threat must be scrutinized carefully before a targeted-killing order is issued. Such an order must not be issued as an act of revenge, punishment, or deterrence, but only in prevention. The information that a civilian became a participant in hostile acts must be sufficiently well-founded. The threat must be "strong and persuasive", and the person must be party to "ongoing action that does not limit itself to concrete sporadic or one-time action." Also, targeted killing must not be engaged in when an arrest may be made without real danger to the lives of soldiers; and targeted killing should be avoided if it will lead to disproportionate collateral harm to innocent civilians.
Bus stop the problem is this Epeefleche wrote "I don't see the copyvio that is claimed as warranted deletion of this article" (and much else like that). If (s)he were not obfuscating, and publicly recognising that (s)he was still breaking copyright policy as late as September last year, (s)he would not have put the word "claimed" in there, because if one accepts the evidence then the sentence would read "I don't see the copyvio(s) [in the article] as warranting deletion of this all of the article".
Even in his/her latest posting in this thread, while there is an acknowledgement of "some of my earliest entries ... [mumble 4.5 years ago] ... were not appropriate", there is still equivocation (as it may be that some edits last month were still "not appropriate"). Epeefleche has yet to answer the simple questions:
We know that as recently as 30 September 2010 (s)he when (s)he created the article targeted killing (s)he was was still breaking Wikipedia copyright policy in articles on this site, and before we can go forward, we need to know when it stopped. (S)he is not helping other editors or herself/himself by fudging an answer to these questions. If Epeefleche has had an epiphany, then (s)he should be willing to stop fudging and give clear precise answers. -- PBS ( talk) 08:50, 9 December 2011 (UTC)
I’ve carefully reviewed this thread and ancillary issues pertaining to it. I have come to the following conclusions.
Epeefleche’s old copyviolations should be and are in fact being deleted. He apologized for his lapses. He reiterated that he does not intend to be disruptive. The community should give him the benefit of the doubt and Assume Good Faith. AGF is not merely an empty slogan and it should be applied here where the user has expressed genuine contrition for his actions.
Others on this thread have correctly pointed out that his recent text entries do not have those problems.
He has been blocked for over two weeks now and under the totality of circumstances an unblock now seems to be the appropriate way to conclude this matter. I am certain that the events that gave rise to this unfortunate affair will not be repeated.-- Jiujitsuguy ( talk) 17:58, 9 December 2011 (UTC)
I have been involved in contentious discussions where Epeefleche has impressed me with the cogency of his discourse. I am also often impressed with his industrious efforts as an editor. I find an indefinite block to be somewhat excessive and feel that in all probability the editor and wikipedia would be better served with a finite block and a limited range block. There are certainly areas that the editor could continue to be productive in without getting into the same area where he has gotten in to the trouble at issue here.-- TonyTheTiger ( T/ C/ BIO/ WP:CHICAGO/ WP:FOUR) 01:22, 11 December 2011 (UTC)
After reviewing the discussion, it appears that the obvious violations were in old articles, not new ones, and that Epeefleche has pledged not to disrupt CCI again. Based on this statement, unless something new comes to light in the next couple of hours, I plan to unblock. Jayjg (talk) 19:42, 12 December 2011 (UTC)
O.K., I will unblock Epeefleche based on the statements above. Epeefleche, as a condition of unblocking, please stay away from WP:CCI, and please do not complain about or hinder the efforts of editors who are attempting to ameliorate any perceived copyvio issues with articles you have created or material you have added. Jayjg (talk) 23:17, 12 December 2011 (UTC)
Thanks from me and the wiki Victuallers ( talk) 08:04, 23 November 2011 (UTC)
Just some friendly advice, but I think its pointless arguing with Kiftaan about Sunni percentages. This guy insists there are only two sects in a homogeneous islam, despite articles such as Islamic sects proving him wrong. I've tried, but debating him is circular. You just end up repeeating the same thing over and over but it does not enter his brain. Pass a Method talk 18:47, 16 December 2011 (UTC)
OffToRioRob a.k.a. YouReallyCan left a late-hit snide remark on my talk page after he and another editor tag-teamed at Demi Moore. This, after one snide, childish remark after another. Ah, well — at some point Wikipedia will mature and we'll have to have credentials and our real names to edit here, and things will be better. With regards, Tenebrae ( talk) 06:06, 18 December 2011 (UTC)
I asked for temporary semi-protection of that vandal's target page, and they've granted it. ← Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 21:29, 20 December 2011 (UTC)
Yes you're right about it. I too wondered if there might not be another page, but I had to leave the computer before I could follow it up. Article deleted. fwiw, the deWP page is probably a copyvio also. Does your unified password work there? I cant recover the password I used for it. DGG ( talk ) 02:08, 21 December 2011 (UTC)
Dear esteemed Epeefleche,
I humbly seek clarification concerning the email I received from MediaWiki Mail on Thu, Dec 22, 2011 at 1:48 PM, entitled "Wikipedia page User talk:Bluesguy62 has been created by Epeefleche." The email informed me that "The Wikipedia page "User talk:Bluesguy62" has been created on 22 December 2011 by Epeefleche, with the edit summary: Notification: speedy deletion nomination of Sekolah Kebangsaan Bukit Sekilau. ( TW)"
Further details concerning the issue are as follows: 20:23, 22 December 2011 Fastily (talk | contribs) deleted "Sekolah Kebangsaan Bukit Sekilau" (G12: Unambiguous copyright infringement of )
At this juncture, allow me to clarify that the official website of the school at < http://skbs.freehostia.com/> was deleted by Freehostia in May 2010 after two successive successful hacking attempts; because (according to Freehostia) the website posed a security risk to other users of their free webhosting service.
Next, with regard to the deleted article and website, allow me to confirm that I, Abdul Aziz Sanford (bluesguy62@gmail.com) am the webmaster and sole copyright owner of all materials contained within; as well as a teacher at the school since 2004. All the text is my own composition, and all images were either scanned by me from old photographs/documents or captured by the school's photographers or yours truly.
I may be contacted by email <bluesguy62@gmail.com>, my cellphone 012-9855262 or the following mailing address: Abdul Aziz Sanford, Sekolah Kebangsaan Bukit Sekilau, 25200 Kuantan, Pahang, Malaysia.
Kindly also allow me to share the fact that my exact text has been reproduced without my permission on websites such as: (1) < http://www.thefullwiki.org/Sekolah_Kebangsaan_Bukit_Sekilau>, (2) < http://www.facebook.com/pages/Sekolah-Kebangsaan-Bukit-Sekilau-Kuantan/327828849169?sk=info>, (3) < http://www.facebook.com/pages/Sekolah-Kebangsaan-Bukit-Sekilau/139262229434679> and (4) < http://wn.com/Sekolah_Kebangsaan_Bukit_Sekilau>.
Last but not least, I do declare that the sole intention of creating the Wikipedia page in question was to share information about the school with the world, and nothing else. It took me one year to gather the needed materials. I thank you for reading this humble submission. God bless and take care.
Yours humbly, Abdul Aziz Sanford @ bluesguy62 Bluesguy62 ( talk) 21:46, 22 December 2011 (UTC)
Dear Epeefleche: Thank you for the advice. It is much appreciated. bluesguy62 Bluesguy62 ( talk) 16:02, 14 April 2012 (UTC)
At the last AFD I proposed that article issues could be addressed procatively, but did not do it myself at that time. I am so glad that being an asmin allowed me the ability to look at the copyvio-deleted versions so I could better understand how it could be best addressed... a total rewrite based upon the one remaining sentence. And in the year since the last AFD, just enough new sources were available (un-found by the nominator) to allow a better article. And too, I disagree with the nominator's insinuation that the notable BAFTA Scotland is both non-notable and somehow not a part of BAFTA... making that organization's recognizing and encouraging New Talent as dismissable. The mop is a handy thing to have. :) Schmidt, MICHAEL Q. 21:29, 25 December 2011 (UTC)
Rather than take so many primary/elementary schools to AfD, under the principles of WP:BRD it would be much better if you dealt with them directly i.e. delete the content and merge/redirect to the appropriate school district or community. If anyone objects to a particular article being dealt with in this way then revert it (assuming they didn't) and take it to AfD instead. If you do redirect then remember to leave {{ Redirect from school}} on the page. -- Bob Re-born ( talk) 09:04, 25 December 2011 (UTC)
I was wondering if you were intending to nominate the other schools in Category:Primary schools in Surrey in addition to the 2 you've already done? Fmph ( talk) 21:22, 29 December 2011 (UTC)
If I may make a suggestion: why not simply blank and redirect obviously non notable primary schools as most editors and admins (who are aware of the precedent) do anyway according to the rationale I keep putting on all the 100s of sudden AfDs that are turning up this week? It's an uncontroversial operation and a totally accepted procedure even if it's not written in policy. If the creator complains, it can easily be reverted and then sent to AfD. Boldly redirecting would save all the unnecessary bureaucracy, and me and other editors the time having to paste 'Redirect' votes, and another admins having to close all the AfDs - we have huge backlogs of far more complex AfD to cope with that sometimes take an hour or more to resolve.. -- Kudpung กุดผึ้ง ( talk) 11:45, 30 December 2011 (UTC)
Must you really drill me multiple AFD warnings? Kindly give me the links to the AFD pages afterwards. Thankyou.♦ Dr. Blofeld 19:17, 31 December 2011 (UTC)
Remove the speedy tag of Absheron Hotel please, pretty sure its a notable skyscraper in Baku.♦ Dr. Blofeld 19:25, 31 December 2011 (UTC)
Keep is for the article as it is merged into one about the company. I would withdraw the nomination if I was you, the article on the company won't be deleted.♦ Dr. Blofeld 12:09, 1 January 2012 (UTC)
One of the fundamental flaws in the management of Wikipedia is the very mantra that it's 'the encyclopedia anyone can edit'. Personally, I think that is a wonderful founding philosophy and it's what has made it the world's largest online knowledge base. However, it needs controls, so unfortunately it has policies and guidelines, and admins to enforce or implement them. Hence the next flaw is that anyone can vote in sensitive areas such as AfD or RfA. This occasionally results in the paradox that you have illustrated: The majority vote by tally is achieved by the people who turn up to vote, and that the apparent consensus, due to their ignorance of existing policies, guidelines, or precedent, or due to not wanting to recognise those rules, guidelines, or precedents, is in conflict with an existing policy or precedent.To quote TerriersFan:
Firstly, it is predicated on a misapprehension; no-one claims that high schools are 'inherently notable' just that they should be kept on pragmatic grounds, as are designated settlements, fauna and flora, named bridges, numbered highways, airports, super-regional malls, railway stations, high court judges, peers of the realm, religious saints etc. When there is so much work to do on Wikipedia the thought of fighting 50,000 high school articles only to prove that most of them are notable makes me shiver! We have had several attempted standards on schools (and if we are to try again why not include all schools?) and they have all failed in the face of the determined opposition of a minority of editors. What we have is a pragmatic position (redirect most elementary schools (except those clearly notable) and keep high schools (except those that can't be verified)) which allows us to move on to more urgent stuff.
So what is a closing admin to do? -- Kudpung กุดผึ้ง ( talk) 00:37, 2 January 2012 (UTC)
Your recent posting on my talk page seems uncivil, appearing contrary to WP:HARASS and WP:DTTR. For example, advising me about creation of my first article is redundant and demonstrates that you are not reading what is posted in your name. CSD A7 has a very low threshhold and that topic passed it easily in my opinion. For more details, please see this survey which advises that "As a general rule of thumb, if there are references, then the article probably is not deletable via A7.". So it proved in that case, but I expanded the article to make sure. This was personally inconvenient and that's the trouble with speedy deletion - it does not provide any time for a response and so is discourteous. Please see WP:WIHSD for more advice, if you are new to this activity. Warden ( talk) 14:09, 6 January 2012 (UTC)
Well, since an editor has voted "keep", I guess SNOW is out. What I've decided to do is AfD the larger articles; and just BOLD merge/redirect the stubs, as no consensus is needed for a merger and there's already a consensus for those type of edits Purpleback pack 89≈≈≈≈ 21:51, 6 January 2012 (UTC)
For shits and giggles, see the latest contribution. Drmies ( talk) 17:52, 10 January 2012 (UTC)
( talk page stalker) :) Kudpung กุดผึ้ง ( talk) 18:11, 10 January 2012 (UTC)
Would you like an ANI about your i insidious suggestions - and a few other things to boot? Kudpung กุดผึ้ง ( talk) 08:55, 11 January 2012 (UTC)
Did you really think that that was anything other than a joke? If so, how is that possible?
First of all -- what could the COI possibly be? Oh was seeking deletion of a school that had the name Confucius in it. People with real COI seek to create non-notable articles about themselves or something they are connected to. Not delete them. That's pretty obvious, no?
Plus, As you can tell from the top of this page, Oh has corresponded with me for years.
Plus, and most importantly -- in case anyone somehow didn't get it, there was a smiley face at the end of the joke. That means, in common parlance, the same as "jk, jk, jk", and "LOL", and "the aforesaid is a joke". I'm completely thunderstruck, Kud. -- Epeefleche ( talk) 09:04, 11 January 2012 (UTC)
Logical conclusion I'm afraid - everyone here knows I live practically just round the corner from KK uni (I also used to teach there). Perhaps you should make it clear whom you are addressing, and for safety's sake keep the chat off serious discussions ;) Kudpung กุดผึ้ง ( talk) 11:19, 11 January 2012 (UTC)
I don't understand how WP:Music has any say on a reality tv show. WP:Music should stick to music. Kingjeff ( talk) 04:33, 14 January 2012 (UTC)
What was the point of this edit [100]? The Cite News template enters the access date in the d Month year format. Even though I grew up with Month day, year, I don't see any good reason to take the time to hand enter the dates.-- Hjal ( talk) 06:27, 17 January 2012 (UTC)
Another IP address originating from Italy has again removed the same well-sourced material from the Michael Henrich. Either Henrich himself is editing his article (as it's hockey season and he plays in Italy) to omit any published material that cites his lack of ability to make an NHL team, or someone who follows him around Italy is doing it. I suspect it's actually him, as all the IP addresses used since User:Casaroo was blocked originate from Ontario where he lives (the same material was removed from an IP in Toronto, Ontario and from a public library in Tiverton, Ontario in July - assuming home and while on vacation - which if that is the case is a bit disturbing IMHO). I requested that the page be semi-protected previously and was turned down - would you think that a new request is necessary? Clearly warnings do nothing to deter this user, and blocking IPs isn't helping. Semi-protection for a few months would solve the vandalism that is persistent on the article. Thoughts? -- Yankees76 Talk 23:31, 17 January 2012 (UTC)
That article didn't see it coming. A move in 2005 then blam! Put'er down! I'm going through a backlog, would it be cool if I ask your opinion if some seem deletable? - Roy Boy 02:39, 18 January 2012 (UTC)
I've taken out about half of Paradise Park, Cornwall, a page you tagged as a copyright violation. I think that the remaining stuff, while similar to what is on their website, passes on the safe side of WP:Close paraphrasing, so I removed the G12 rather than deleting. However, if you have time, it would be great if you could take another look at it and see if maybe I'm just missing more copyvios. Qwyrxian ( talk) 02:41, 18 January 2012 (UTC)
Would you mind clarifying your stance on the copyvio to the other editor in yes/no since the current list does not mirror the format of the original (actually it is pretty ugly here) and I've been reverted on re-adding - also see my edit summary. [101]. Thanks. -- lTopGunl ( talk) 01:55, 20 January 2012 (UTC)
Thanks, just started adding refs. I will try to add more refs from now on. -- B for Bandetta ( talk) 01:47, 25 January 2012 (UTC)
If you go to any outback Australian town, you'll notice that there are a couple of permanent structures which form the centre of the town: a school, a pub, a war memorial and one and/or another of a railway station, police station or another pub. Take, for example, Junee, population ~3000, Maps which was practically built around Junee Public School. It's likely the same all over the planet, not just Junee.
These schools are the centres of their communities. Through their existence they have significant impact on the local history (and also, by definition, education) per WP:ORGIN. Now, for some schools its going to be hard to have anything but a stub verifying the existence of the school. In those cases it's better for the content to be merged into the locality (where, who knows, it may be able to incubate). But for schools where a bit more can be, or has been written, then that article deserves a little bit more consideration. Agree?
Junnee Public School, by the way, was founded in 1880 and is therefore one of the oldest schools in Australia. A number of its buildings are heritage listed. *shrug* ˜ danjel [ talk | contribs ] 05:03, 25 January 2012 (UTC)
You seem intent on putting words in my mouth. Where you see precedent, I see a one-off not-particularly-notable unusual occurrence. And we shouldn't need 'expert' or local knowledge to know if a subject is notable. The sources should tell us. Sorry, but you haven't convinced me of anything yet. 12:16, 25 January 2012 (UTC)
My view is I'm happy to go with whatever the consensus view is. One problem with this of course is that different editors describe the consensus view differently. But there seems to be a general consensus on most articles. A notability guideline on schools would clarify the matter further, and streamline discussion.
I hear your view, and if there were consensus support for it, I would actively support application of it. I don't see that support. If you can create it, I will support you, but until then I think it may not be in the best interest of all to apply a notability approach at AfDs themselves that is contrary to the notability approach we've seen garner consensus support at those AfDs that we both have been at. Better to seek to garner that support on talkpages, I think. IMHO, of course.
As to tone -- as I said, I think that conversation has become polarized, but there is no need for it. I don't think that personally directed remarks do much to win third parties over. Just the opposite. I would suggest that all tone down the snarkiness, to raise the intellectual level of the discourse. That's not giving in. That's just effective wiki discussion, IMHO.
Best.-- Epeefleche ( talk) 08:46, 28 January 2012 (UTC)
I have started this, will give it more attention this evening.-- Mike - Μολὼν λαβέ 22:08, 25 January 2012 (UTC)
Hi Epeefleche. Was reviewing CSD and came upon Walter Bosshard. The article is certainly deletable as the text stands now, but there is a detailed article on the German Wikipedia about him. I will try to expand with my limited German and help from brother Google. -- Samir 22:48, 27 January 2012 (UTC)
just a heads up on the article that just closed as delete at AfD. Don't know how you came across it but there were a ton of redirects. Just a heads up in case his article pops up again. StarM 23:47, 29 January 2012 (UTC)
While I understood and accepted yor concern, the way you expressed it makes me wondering whether you spend too much time in wikipedia or simply disrespect the colleagues who are not well versed in policies, guidelines, traditions and other wikilore and wikilaw. Lom Konkreta ( talk) 02:09, 31 January 2012 (UTC)
I am questioning your decision to eliminate numerous GAA pages. Yes, these competitions are amateur, but if you use that rationale you should eliminate all GAA pages since the organization is an amateur body. You could use the same rationale to eliminate many rugby pages, but I do not see you doing this. Yes, some pages by some users are badly written, and contain elements of bias, but these articles contain important GAA info. If you understood the nature of the sport, you would see that the small parish club playing in its own local competition is as important as Kerry playing in Croke Park. I have tried to clean up some articles, but it takes time to get to to the hundreds of different ones that have been set up. Good manners are rather uncommon nowadays, but please try to provide some common courtesy. Pmunited ( talk) 17:08, 3 February 2012 (UTC)
When I first started with Wikipedia, there were extensive articles on these types of competitions in several different counties. I began to add the few I was most familiar with - Cork, Waterford, Clare. I would argue that to a GAA fan, these are important, as any club will on its own website will list not just their senior success, but also their minor, under-21 etc. I feel that Wikipedia should have this information. I have generally refrained from adding articles on "B" competitions, unless I have complete data. I am in the process of adding the sources that I have for many of the competitions that you have challenged. If I do not have sources at hand, I will notify you and understand if you proceed as indicated. One possible problem I do see is with the Waterford competitions. I began those, but several others have added lots of data since on teams, scores, etc. I am not sure if I have sources available. Pmunited ( talk) 20:49, 5 February 2012 (UTC)
Greetings Epeefleche and Pmunited - I'm not unfortunately au fait with a lot of the language used around deletion policies and notability on Wikipedia. Just to suppport Pmunited's broad stance on the issue at hand. Some of the articles proposed for speedy deletion were created by me. I will do my best to supply sources and references. Best wishes. Heshs Umpire ( talk) 13:31, 6 February 2012 (UTC)
Epeefleche, I still disagree with you concerning the notability of these GAA articles. I believe that you cannot get a full understanding of GAA from only the senior competitions. The whole ethos of the GAA is the local club. All competitions are amateur. The other grades are very important - indeed most clubs do not play at senior level. I will continue to add sources for as many articles as possible this week. I do think you are taking an over aggressive position in many places, where you have deleted large amounts of information. Pmunited ( talk) 16:54, 6 February 2012 (UTC)
I would add my support to the two other contributors, we are only doing our best to help build a record of such competitions for people to be able to access, admittedly in certain cases references are difficult to find, if they exist in published form at all, but in spite of this are quite accurate records of the competitions in question. And yet that work is been disregarded by someone who doesn't understand where we come from on this subject, hiding behind this 'notability' nonsense. Not the first time this has happened on wikipedia, makes you wonder why bother with it at all. BlackWhite77 ( talk) 02:09, 18 February 2012 (UTC)
Folks, Further to what Epeefleche says if you believe these articles are notable in the sense that the subjects are well known within the GAA world; but that they are not notable in the Wikipedia sense of being noted in Neutral, Independent, Reliable sources with enough detail that we can write an article - Then why not consider moving them to writing them on our sister site Wikia? Wikia doesn't have any notability requirements and will happily take your articles within a specific sub wiki all about GAA. Stuart.Jamieson ( talk) 09:10, 18 February 2012 (UTC)
thanks for the message, let me know if there is a 2nd AFD nomination, also it happend during the Afd disscution of Arsames (band), where the writter of article is the promotor of the band! and I think the article is not proper for wikipedia. plz take a look. Spada II ♪♫ ( talk) 07:55, 4 February 2012 (UTC)
Sorry, but your nomination of User:PJKs shirt/Southmoor Primary School is a disgrace. Please respect someone userspace and the drafts in it. Night of the Big Wind talk 11:50, 9 February 2012 (UTC)
I hereby complain about your serial nominating. I have only picked out a few to check, and in all cases I could easily find reliable sources. Could you please lower your nomination pace and do a genuine effort to find sources for articles you nominate? I would hate to bring this to Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard, but you are seriously disrupting Wikipedia with your actions. Night of the Big Wind talk 14:48, 9 February 2012 (UTC)
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For not losing your cool in a situation where others might and calmly pointing to policy, it's my very good honor to award you The Civility Barnstar. Achowat ( talk) 21:04, 10 February 2012 (UTC) |
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a new message at Achowat's talk page.
Hi E. I saw your post on the TV project notice board about KBCH-TV. I thought that I would let you know that the number of editors that respond there has dwindled over the years. In case you don't get a quick response you may want to also post your question at the Wikipedia talk:Notability or even Wikipedia talk:Notability (organizations and companies). I can't guarantee that they will be any better but I jsut wanted to give you some options. For what its worth I don't think it meets wikiP's requirements. Cheers and enjoy your weekend. MarnetteD | Talk 23:30, 10 February 2012 (UTC)
I am somewhat concerned about your recent edits. You seem to be very actively tagging articles for lack of references and nominating articles for deletion. I have not investigated all the articles that you've tagged and nominated but I have been involved in some of the school article that you've nominated for deletion or tagged. I've noticed that you often seem to inappropriately add ref improve tags to articles that already have references. Many of your school AfDs have been flawed. You seem to be under the misconception that all primary schools are non-notable which is not the case. School articles have to comply with WP:N. While perhaps the majority of primary schools will not merit an article in their own right, many do. Some notable historic schools have been caught up in this AfD campaign of yours while regular editors have been busy and not able to help improve and source the articles. Work now has to be done to get these articles restored. Your edit history suggests that you only spend a few minutes looking at each article before tagging it or nominating it. Could I suggest that you devote less time to tagging and deleting and more time to constructive editing by adding useful content and sources. If you are going to tag articles or nominate them for deletion you should spend more time reading the article, checking that references exist and checking to see what sources are available. Dahliarose ( talk) 14:13, 11 February 2012 (UTC)
Hello, I noticed you were interested in that article, so I invite you to please let me know what you think about the following discussion: [108]. Thanks! -- B for Bandetta ( talk) 01:09, 16 February 2012 (UTC)
Of your last 25 Primary-school AfD nominations, two of the 25 resulted in the use of admin deletion tools. These 25 ran from Knoxfield Primary School through Finchale Primary School. The two exceptions are:
FYI, Unscintillating ( talk) 01:50, 20 February 2012 (UTC)
Thank you for the kind words, and help, at the Sleepy Hollow AFD. I appreciate it. Sergecross73 msg me 03:41, 20 February 2012 (UTC)
Epeefleche you need to take the advice of others and back of. You are both as bad as each other and no good will come to either of you by continuing it you both have history. Im saying the same to night. This has dragged on and its clear now neither you are totally in the right.
Also I'm going to point out to you that me and night very rarely get along but in this case he had a point which I'm not saying you didn't but this only came to something when several people had the same issue as night did as i said at before if i had come across this i would of checked your recent prods as I'm sure you would mine to make sure they aren't all the same. Thats where this should of ended before you both felt you were hounding each other. Edinburgh Wanderer 21:02, 20 February 2012 (UTC)
Thanks for your training exercises and kind words at my RfA, which was successful and nearly unanimous. Be among the first to see my L-plate! – Fayenatic L (talk) 14:10, 21 February 2012 (UTC)
You participated in the discussion at Wikipedia:Templates for discussion/Log/2012 January 24#Template:New York cities and mayors of 100.2C000 population. Be advised that I have opened Wikipedia:Deletion review/Log/2012 February 27#User:TonyTheTiger/New York cities and mayors of 100,000 population.-- TonyTheTiger ( T/ C/ BIO/ WP:CHICAGO/ WP:FOUR) 05:21, 27 February 2012 (UTC)
Hi Epeefleche. Despite your hyperactivity, I think this is the first time I've had the pleasure to get in touch with you. I was just a little surprised at your rapid edit of the few red linked additions I made to the France section of the List of female architects yesterday on the basis of coverage on the French Wikipedia. I had taken the same approach with Germany a couple of weeks ago and found it very useful, not just for helping to get the job done (with the assistance of other editors too) but for allowing users in general to look at the articles in other languages. As you will see, all the German red links have now been covered by articles. I hope the same will also be true of the French within a couple of days. In any case, I'm really surprised that a bot added citation tags here rather than to dozens of other red links in similar lists such as List of Swiss architects where there are none at all! In any case, I was not too clear about what you wanted to suggest in your editing comment: was it no red links without non Wikipedia references or was it that you wanted the links to be directed at the corresponding French articles, e.g. fr:Manuelle Gautrand or Manuelle Gautrand (see French Wikipedia article)? Personally, it seemed to me more honest to be specific about the fact that all the red links were related to articles in the FR WP. Anyway, the important thing is to continue proper article coverage and that's what I've been trying to do for the past two or three weeks, already adding over 30 new articles so as to eliminate red links from the list. But thanks once again for your interest and encouragement. - Ipigott ( talk) 14:05, 2 March 2012 (UTC)
On behalf of WP:CHICAGO, I would like to thank you for your contributions to Robert Dover (equestrian), which has fairly recently achieved WP:GA status.
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-- TonyTheTiger ( T/ C/ BIO/ WP:CHICAGO/ WP:FOUR) 20:00, 18 March 2012 (UTC)
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A discussion is taking place as to whether the article Roshonara Choudhry is suitable for inclusion in Wikipedia according to Wikipedia's policies and guidelines or whether it should be deleted.
The article will be discussed at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Roshonara Choudhry until a consensus is reached, and anyone is welcome to contribute to the discussion. The nomination will explain the policies and guidelines which are of concern. The discussion focuses on high-quality evidence and our policies and guidelines.
Users may edit the article during the discussion, including to improve the article to address concerns raised in the discussion. However, do not remove the article-for-deletion template from the top of the article. Delicious carbuncle ( talk) 02:23, 6 April 2012 (UTC)
Failing to achieve consensus, he 'sneaked back' and removed terrorist term.
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Looking at the edit history of List of gymnasts and the talk you appear to be interested in the topic. I hope you see the small changes I have made as positive. To me the FIG record link feels important on the simple basis that it is the official record of the gymnast's competitions (unless, of course, you know different). After head scratching and a failed experiment with footnoting, the table layout, painful as it is to create, looks to me as if it will provide the best result.
I've also removed the exclusion of non listed disciplines, something that struck me as odd.
I'm by no means a follower of gymnastics. I arrived in this area by happenstance, like so much of WIkipedia. Fiddle Faddle ( talk) 11:23, 6 October 2012 (UTC)
I just noticed you started editing again! It's good to see you back. :) I, Jethrobot drop me a line (note: not a bot!) 20:03, 6 October 2012 (UTC)
Greetings, Epeefleche. For the last couple of months, I've been working on standardizing and expanding the biography articles for U.S. Olympic swimmers. As part of my efforts, I've been cleaning up the redirects from past article renamings, and replacing redirect links with direct links to current article names. During this process, I stumbled across List of swimmers, and to be blunt, the reason for the article's existence as a stand-alone list in its present format escapes me. We already have lists of Olympic medalists, FINA world championship medalists, Pan Am Games medalists, Pan Pacific Games medalists, Commonwealth Games medalists, plus navbox footers for the champions each event of those games, plus categories for medalists and participants in the Olympics and other major regional games. There are also category break-outs by nationality, and by stroke and gender.
This list seems to have no particular purpose, no criteria for inclusion beyond being a notable swimmer, and is certainly no even close to being comprehensive in coverage. In short, this list seems to be completely redundant to better other better developed swimmer lists with better, more specifically defined criteria for inclusion. I have read your talk page comments to User:Lexein, and would ask you to share your thoughts as to what should be done with this unwieldy beast. IMHO, the present list has multiple notability and basic WP list criteria problems. Dirtlawyer1 ( talk) 20:40, 23 October 2012 (UTC)
I think you are commenting outside your domain of expertise. You had struck recipients of the Knight's Cross, who as holders aof the highest military award, are noteable. That is why I rewoked your change. If you had removed lesser "aces" I would not have opposed your change. MisterBee1966 ( talk) 08:34, 14 November 2012 (UTC)
What I dislike here is this destructive attitude you are showing. Your behavior reminds me a bit of The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy. You demolish the article and later claim that I could have known better if I only I would have read "the rules". "Legally" you may be right but morally you are wrong! By your token of argumentation you could castrate half the articles on Wikipedia. Keep it up and you will make many friends here, you already made one. You don't have to bother and respond. Enjoy MisterBee1966 ( talk) 22:56, 14 November 2012 (UTC)
"A person may be included in a list of people if all the following requirements are met:
- ... If a person in a list does not have an article in Wikipedia about them, a citation (or link to another article) must be provided to establish their membership in the list's group and to establish their notability...
- The person's membership in the list's group is established by reliable sources."
I was wondering if you might, since you are interested in this article, help me with some legwork? The table format seems to be much better than a pure list, and it gives us FIG references, so I was wondering if you would consider having a go occasionally at a few tables there. I have a strong suspicion that those with no FIG references are unlikely to be notable at all, though the FIG listing is no guarantee of notability ether. It is, however a reference that a person of this name is a gymnast, so is an indicator of at least potential notability. Fiddle Faddle ( talk) 08:01, 15 November 2012 (UTC)
Have I satisfied your reference and notability concerns? ClaudeReigns ( talk) 20:14, 12 December 2012 (UTC)
Ep - Welcome back, long time no see. I've tweaked a couple of your edits today and wanted to make you aware of a couple of formatting decisions made at WP:NBA that you may not have been aware of. First, the format for the college years shown in parentheses after a player's school is (XXXX-XXXX) (but with an endash), as opposed to (XXXX-XX). This is to mirror the format used in the club history section. The other relatively recent consensus was not to Wikilink countries in the "nationality" field. It's considered over linking now. Keep up the good work and good to see you again. Rikster2 ( talk) 23:07, 13 December 2012 (UTC)
I see you started the long-needed cleanup of these pages; almost all of them are to some extent copyvio. I've been deleting the ones that are entirely copyvio in an obvious way, but in most cases it's a complicated mix of copyvio & paraphrase from various sources. In such cases, the simplest think to do is to look for a noncopyvio version earlier in the history to revert to--usually there's a clear point at which large amounts of content start being added. Normally I just revert, but if it's particularly bad I delete the later versions--If you want to do it, the simplest way might be to just ask me, since I am unfortunately familiar with this sort of article Otherwise, the officially recommended way to delete copyvio versions or to handle more complicated situations is to list them at copyright problems, but that process is so backlogged that if I can deal with a quick rewrite, sometimes I try to do that immediately--but nobody has to, and if you are feeling too frustrated by this awful mess that has accumulated, just list them. Either I or someone else will get there. DGG ( talk ) 00:38, 31 December 2012 (UTC)
Here is the last revision of the Corruption Perceptions Index chart before it was blanked. This chart was started in 2006.
I noticed your informed opinions at the talk page for Wikipedia:Copyright in lists. This essay should not be used to delete charts from Wikipedia. It is an essay, and not a guideline.
For more info see: Template talk:Corruption Perceptions/Corruption perceptions index#Data and copyright and the following talk sections. Your opinion there and/or at Wikipedia talk:Copyright in lists#This is an essay, not a guideline would be appreciated. -- Timeshifter ( talk) 06:26, 2 January 2013 (UTC)
Hi, I've put the text back , with a few sources that I've found after a quick search. (I have to get to bed early tonight). The rules, including WP:V, are not a suicide pact, and there is no deadline. Graham 87 14:45, 3 January 2013 (UTC)
I saw where you posted, like you wanted. I went with my gut. It's difficult when there are a limited number of criticisms from a wide array of sources, so I went with something general and darn the weasel. It may not be to your liking; that's just how I read the article. Drop by and comment if you have the time. Wikilove, ClaudeReigns ( talk) 12:39, 14 January 2013 (UTC)
Hi Epeefleche! Thanks for the reminder. I will try to give editors more time. Way2veers ( talk) 19:35, 9 February 2013 (UTC)
Epeefleche, thank you for your support during my recent RfA. If I can be of assistance to you in the future, as an editor with a legal background or otherwise, please let me know. Regards, Dirtlawyer1 ( talk) 11:13, 13 February 2013 (UTC)
Hi there. Please consider not PRODing or not AfDing non notable primary (elementary) and middle schools. Instead, in order to save time and user resources, please consider redirecting them yourself according to the long standing precedent documented at WP:SCHOOLOUTCOMES. To do this, please ensure that the school is at least listed on the target page which should generally be the article about the school district (in the USA) or the article about the school's location. Please remember to include the {{ R from school}} on the redirect page as it automatically populates an important category, and if you need any help, don't hesitate to ask me on my talk page. -- Kudpung กุดผึ้ง ( talk) 23:42, 14 February 2013 (UTC)
Your recent editing history at New York Hippodrome shows that you are currently engaged in an edit war. Being involved in an edit war can result in you being blocked from editing—especially if you violate the three-revert rule, which states that an editor must not perform more than three reverts on a single page within a 24-hour period. Undoing another editor's work—whether in whole or in part, whether involving the same or different material each time—counts as a revert. Also keep in mind that while violating the three-revert rule often leads to a block, you can still be blocked for edit warring—even if you don't violate the three-revert rule—should your behavior indicate that you intend to continue reverting repeatedly.
To avoid being blocked, instead of reverting please consider using the article's talk page to work toward making a version that represents consensus among editors. See BRD for how this is done. You can post a request for help at a relevant noticeboard or seek dispute resolution. In some cases, you may wish to request temporary page protection. I hate to use templates in this situation, but the two of you need to cut it out ASAP. I suggest you both walk away from the article for a couple of days ( ✉→ BWilkins ←✎) 10:28, 22 February 2013 (UTC)
Hi Epeefleche! Just dropping you a note to let you know that {{ wikify}} has been deprecated in favor of more specific templates, such as {{ underlinked}}. Since the release version of AWB is still automatically adding {{ wikify}}, I suggest you install the latest SVN snapshot instead, which has a lot of fixes in it. Thanks, and happy editing! GoingBatty ( talk) 02:51, 26 February 2013 (UTC)
I'm not sure how to use wiki and hopefully i'm not causing any problems by sending you a message. I saw you added a lot of information to the Assyrian people page and was wondering if you could add my father to the list. His name is Edison David http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edison_David and he already has a Wiki page I asked someone else to build. If you can do this and need any info or pics from me let me know, I am willing to help how ever possible.
Thomas
I responded to your comment at Wikipedia:Featured article candidates/Juwan Howard/archive5.-- TonyTheTiger ( T/ C/ BIO/ WP:CHICAGO/ WP:FOUR) 04:18, 3 March 2013 (UTC)
I redirected his article to the TV show article because it's clear he's not notable as an MMA fighter. He has none of the 3 top tier fights required to meet WP:NMMA. I thought redirecting the article was better than having it deleted, but I can put it up for AfD, if you prefer. I would prefer that you remove your reversion, but that is your decision. Papaursa ( talk) 02:18, 18 March 2013 (UTC)
My recommendation would be to take the discussion to either the basketball/NBA talk page or an MOS talk page (if one exists) with a note inviting basketball editors to join. As I pointed out, the format isn't just basketball, it's used in association football as well (another sport whose seasons span 2 calendar years). I honestly don't care about format, I care about consistency. The proposal would be received best if you volunteered to be part of the solution should the format be changed - in other words be willing to go through and change some of the literally thousands of articles this would impact. Rikster2 ( talk) 11:31, 21 March 2013 (UTC)
One failing I see in the conversation is the unusual degree of subjective "ILIKEIT" reasoning. Sometimes it is admitted to. Sometimes it appears to be just below the surface. Sometimes it is masked by assertions (voiced as FACTS) that lack diffs to reflect whether the assertions are valid. Many times those are accompanied by some claim of expertise (e.g., "I edit many articles", "I edit many basketball articles", "I know what readers find normal-looking"). While at times it is difficult to find support for statements, those such as "adding extra digits that impart zero information makes it more readable" is both counter-intuitive and at odds with style books such as that of Strunk and White, which say precisely the opposite. Similarly, its quite evident if one checks actual usage that the MOS-compliant format is the leading one as reflected: a) in ghits generally, b) in basketball (on both sides of the pond) and hockey and American football official league websites, c) in wikipedia generally, and d) in wikipedia basketball articles generally. This has been overwhelmingly reflected with diffs. Bald, un-supported, and possibly baseless assertions as to "present majority practice" are rather unconvincing, and appear to be "reaching" when there is such diff evidence to the contrary. And are of lesser moment in any event -- as I said, if all tiddlywinks articles were ALL CAPS .... that would not be a deciding factor (I would hope), when weighed against everything else.
And yes -- this issue goes beyond sports articles. Think, for example, companies that have fiscal years that do not start on January 1. It is a project-wide issue.
Perhaps most dumbfounding to me is that editors are suggesting: a) that infoboxes should have 8 digits, but that b) text should have 6 digits. Not only is that remarkably at odds with a core aspect of MOS -- consistency within articles. I can't imagine the rationale that would drive one to say in this case that what is preferable in the text, is not preferable in the infobox. Especially when it is shorter, and the infobox emphasizes brevity.
As to linking the years ... I don't care overly at this point. But I see little value. For the same reason I see little value to link to "New York City." I'm guessing that those links don't get clicked that much. And if we have a sea of blue with overlinking in conflict with wp:overlink, we detract from the effectiveness of linking in the first place.-- Epeefleche ( talk) 22:16, 21 March 2013 (UTC)
Thanks for letting me know about User:OGBranniff. Quale ( talk) 00:19, 30 March 2013 (UTC)
Epeefleche
analog pussy was always under the ownership and management of jiga & myself, - jinno.
a few months ago, after major personal & professional disputes, - jiga has "kidnapped" all the main websites of analog pussy, - which we were both managing & operating together, - including analog-pussy.com / analog pussy on youtube, facebook, myspace, etc. - and even analog pussy on cdbaby, where we were selling analog pussy music together. - she simply changed the pass words of all those pages, - which we were sharing in the past.
since then - we are both running two separate entities - which are both called - "analog pussy".
jiga has added her girlfriend eva - to her version of "analog pussy", - and is releasing past recordings which were produced mainly by me & which i claim to be my property. - jiga has also produced a new video clip to an old analog pussy track, - which is extremely provocative & against the original spirit of analog pussy.
i am taking legal steps against jiga's use of the name "analog pussy" & against selling the recording which are my property.
at present i am using www.analog-pussy.org - as my platform for analog pussy.
amongst others jiga is publishing in different places - that she is the "official" analog pussy, as well as that her releases are the "official" ones, - implying as if i am the "fakes" analog pussy or something like that. - (including on the wikipedia page, - she is the one who is responsible of updating the addition of eva, which is far from being entirely clear or true, - as well as specifying - that analog pussy.com - is the "official " analog pussy site).
the whole resent actions of jiga, - claiming ownership of analog pussy, - the addition of eva to analog pussy, - the misuse & abuse of the name - etc. etc.- are all without my consent - and the whole thing is currently under a legal dispute.
my question to you is -how to reflect the whole development & issue on the wikipedia page?
jinno
The rollback happened because most of your edits were unnecessary. Replacing the picture of the dog with an infobox was unhelpful. For some odd reason you prefer the number "1" over the word "one", and likewise "6" over "six", where that is generally frowned upon for writing small numbers. Some of your edits were good (uncapitalizing the word "Owner", changing "enacting" to "enactment", etc.), but I thought it easier to blanket undo them and then fix them individually, which I hadn't finished. - Kai445 ( talk) 02:58, 15 April 2013 (UTC)
Here they are: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Chechen_people
Also note how you won't find Khattab there (he was an Arab of part Ciracassian descent). But that's eve besides the point. -- 94.246.154.130 ( talk) 11:01, 20 April 2013 (UTC)
Standard? Really? OK, I randomly checked Americans. No listing of "notable Americans". How about Russians, then? NO. But maybe at least Poles (I'm one)? NO, SO STOP LYING. -- 94.246.154.130 ( talk) 11:12, 20 April 2013 (UTC)
And yet this is not List of Chechen people. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard/Incidents#Chechen_people -- Niemti ( talk) 11:26, 20 April 2013 (UTC)
You deleted the Making payment section from Etiquette in Japan as being tagged. The section is not tagged. I believe a cite can be found in Asian Business Customs & Manners. I will add a cite tomorrow, as my local library is closed and I am not about to break into a library just for a content dispute.-- Auric talk 01:32, 30 April 2013 (UTC)
I noticed you made this edit [110] citing the info was not in the references. If you look at the map at National Post [111] (the first ref) the three locations are clearly marked as is the shopping center. I don't think we are restricted to info in sources contained in paragraphs. BTW,I appreciate your level headed comments in the face of some really strange stuff on the talk page. Cheers Legacypac ( talk) 04:15, 10 May 2013 (UTC)
I figured out why the sources are saying both 1 block and 5 blocks based on the exact same data. Look closely at the linked map. It all depends on what that "fuzzy" distance of a block means. All 3 disappeared along Lorain from 105th Street to 110th Street. That looks like "5 blocks" on paper BUT in this area there is just 106th street going north between 105th and 110th on the North side (due to mall being there) and only Joan Ave which is an east-west (not north-south like the numbered streets) and meets very close to 110 & Lorain, on the south side. So if we are standing on Lorain at the mall we could logically conclude that from 105 to 110 is just one block, or maybe a touch more. Everyone would agree that generally one block is the distance between intersections. What do you think? Legacypac ( talk) 06:40, 11 May 2013 (UTC)
Regarding the thread you started at Conti's talk page, he has started a discussion on the article's talk page and graciously agreed to the content being restored pending a final outcome. I did the revert. -- 76.189.109.155 ( talk) 15:37, 15 May 2013 (UTC)
Hi Epeefleche, noticed you deleted the long-standing Bill Callaway entry on the 'List of Landscape Architects', North America, 20th Cent. Just yesterday we cleaned up a page designed to be the landing-page for that link since it's been pointing for months or years to a different Callaway, a voice actor. Here's the updated entry for Callaway architect: /info/en/?search=Wikipedia_talk:Articles_for_creation/William_B._Callaway,_FASLA ....are you an editor who can review it for approval? 1rheckmann ( talk) 20:29, 1 June 2013 (UTC)1rheckmann
It seems completely inappropriate to take an article that asserts its own significance or importance (albeit unsourced), remove all the material that does so, and then nominate the article for speedy A7 on grounds of not having any assertion of significance or importance. Especially when it was trivial to find a source for the information. Please look for sources instead of blanking content, especially when the content isn't at all controversial. Dricherby ( talk) 08:12, 6 June 2013 (UTC)
Please stop your disruptive editing. It took me less than half a minute in each case to find multiple reliable sources for the material you removed as unsourced. If you can't be bothered to search for citations, mark the text as unreferenced, and let others do the productive work. Thank you. Owen× ☎ 02:16, 8 June 2013 (UTC)
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Say, take a look at Case law. Two factors apply in Robbins. 1. The cases settled so no precedent decisions were issued by the court. 2. While the judges made certain decisions while the cases were active, they were not published as Case_citation#United_States. See also Non-publication of legal opinions in the United States and Law reports. No lawyer can stand up in court and say "in the case of Robbins v. Lower Merion School District....." The judge would not be happy. Thus these categorizations as "case law" are not appropriate. Thanks. – S. Rich ( talk) 18:54, 22 August 2013 (UTC)
respectful consideration. Yellow Book of NY L.P. v. Dimilia, 188 Misc.2d 489, 729 N.Y.S.2d 286 (2001), and in Tennessee State courts such writing would be deemed persuasive authority unless designated “Not for Citation”.-- Epeefleche ( talk) 20:22, 22 August 2013 (UTC)
For your thoughtful comments. Edison ( talk) 02:15, 23 August 2013 (UTC)
I agree edit warring over the column setting of {{ reflist}} would be incredibly stupid. But I do feel its better to set the width of the column rather than force columns, because people use different sized monitors. It looked bad in two columns on the monitor I was viewing it on. – Muboshgu ( talk) 17:28, 3 September 2013 (UTC)
Wives Belmoktar should not have names for easier verifiability? (and a reference was dead.) João bonomo ( talk) 17:43, 4 October 2013 (UTC)
@ Epeefleche Why did you revert my post on Laois Junior Hurling Championship ? ShamDela ( talk) 09:32, 21 October 2013 (UTC)
Dear Sir Im the writer of kulna sawa biography and member of this band. Every information I write in this page I discover the next day that you are erasing it, would you please clarify, any positive contribution would be appreciated. Best regards Briantucker71 ( talk) 06:32, 5 November 2013 (UTC)
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Dear Epeefleche Im not familiar with wikipedia, the content of the page Kulna sawa is not complete I need your help to add the below data and revise it and cited, When talking about the history of this band Im one of the most reliable reference. Because Im writing the biography of this band and I can provide proofs for all listed information by photos and videos and sometimes by articles if available, I have all movies and documentaries ever produced about this band, and Im also member of this band, this page is talking about me, and Wikipedia is refusing my statement and the information Im telling about my self which are 100% true. And published before. I will list below the full text about Kulna sawa , please help me to cite and to submit this data so any one interested about our history can find in wikipedia what he is searching about. And also I have some materials, audio videos and picture to incorporate.
Here below the full text feel free to revise it because english is my third language. Best regards. Briantucker71 ( talk) 20:28, 5 November 2013 (UTC)
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Epeefleche, thanks for the copyedits on the prep sets for DYK that I put together; I'm still fairly new to building those, so if I screwed up anything else, just let me know. One question is the degree to which we promoters are allowed to make minor copyedits to the hooks, as you did; I don't want to exceed the scope of the reviewer, though I did sneak in a comma to one... any guidelines on that? And my "help" question is if you could kindly promote an article I nominated that has been passed, (I think nominated on Nov2 or 3) at T:TDYK, Beholder (horse). Been trying to get someone over there to give it the final nod and get it in the queue. Thanks Montanabw (talk) 03:41, 14 November 2013 (UTC)
Thank you for the update; can you help me in editing my article? I thought it was par to the style needed...
Thanks — Preceding unsigned comment added by Colombus1492 ( talk • contribs) 22:58, 17 November 2013 (UTC)
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I'm really pissed off at you for moving the article about Canadian journalist and broadcaster Nathan Cohen. It was the first article about any Nathan Cohen, and now you moved it, retitled and caused redirects. I expect you will fix this. Also, you did not discuss this renaming with the main editors of the article before you moved it, as I certainly wasn't informed of it. For someone who is supposed to be a good Wikipedian, you violated several conventions with this move.-- Abebenjoe ( talk) 17:57, 2 March 2014 (UTC)
DavidLeib's edits are not legitimate. Please see Talk:Indiggo#Problems_with_sources. 63.247.160.139 ( talk) 23:49, 3 March 2014 (UTC)
(To clarify: I was trying to revert DavidLeib's edits, not yours.) 63.247.160.139 ( talk) 23:53, 3 March 2014 (UTC)
Hi, Epeefleche. Please note that the link you added as a ref leads to a 404 notification. Secondly, the issue of Cammalleri's self-identification has already been discussed in depth on the corresponding talk page and assuming Jewish self-identification is inappropriate for a BLP. Naturally, I shouldn't need to point this out to you as it was your interpretation and addition to the content at the epicentre of the discussion in the first instance. Cheers! -- Iryna Harpy ( talk) 00:06, 9 March 2014 (UTC)
Unfortunately there is nothing more we can do than revert, warn, and report to AIV. I'll monitor and block if appropriate. Regards, Giant Snowman 15:22, 9 March 2014 (UTC)
No offence to Epeefleche but we don't have a "good, ongoing working relationship" - we get on, yes, as I do with most editors, but our interactions are minimal. Giant Snowman 12:54, 11 March 2014 (UTC)
As per WP:FOOTY we tend not use nationality in the lead if it is dual, or if he plays for a country outside his birth, it stops edit wars, as sometimes happens. You are correct that German-Iranian is well and accurately sourced, but it is not the norm. Thanks. Murry1975 ( talk) 20:48, 15 March 2014 (UTC)
You seem to have an agenda with the Dejagah issue that you keep bringing up. His intro shouldn't have the negative aspects of his career, only the positives. Please refrain from enforcing your ideologies onto his encyclopedia page. Yes, the Iranian regime is corrupt and oppressive, we get it; it's been noted in the 'International career - Germany' section. Also, your writing seems off, with choppy sentences and some grammatical errors here & there. On another note, thanks for clarifying his international section, as well as adding other sections.-- RidiQLus ( talk) 18:35, 16 March 2014 (UTC)
Btw, good job on finding the chart source on that. I've made it a point to comment on the new AfD to reflect it, too. By the way, for what it's worth, I didn't supervote; it truly was simply a close close (ermm... close that was close :P), hinging on literally what you just added (due to GNG-only arguments basically cancelling each other out). Obviously you're free to think that I'm just some jerk that's hell-bent on destroying your article (again, to be honest, I couldn't care less), but please bear this in mind next time you run across someone else making a decision you don't agree with: maybe—just maybe—they're not actually expressing bias. :P Whatever; dunno why... just thought you should know. -- slakr\ talk / 07:15, 26 March 2014 (UTC)
DJ Jurgen was credited as an artist in the Alice DeeJay song Better Off Alone, on which he was credited as "DJ Jurgen Presents Alice Deejay". When I have time, I will expand the article myself.-- Laun chba ller 08:20, 26 March 2014 (UTC)
Hello. I don't know if you've seen Nate Bloom's syndicated column from June 2010, in which he says the Jewish Journal piece was mistaken in identifying Spector as Jewish, which apparently they did "based simply on the fact that Jonathan's paternal grandfather, Art Spector, an original member of the Boston Celtics basketball team, was identified as Jewish in some sources". The column claims that Spector's other grandparents were not Jewish, even if Art Spector might have been, and Spector himself certainly attended a Catholic high school. cheers, Struway2 ( talk) 17:53, 26 March 2014 (UTC)
hiya, is imbd http://www.imdb.com/name/nm3337437/ a verified location for a birthday? If new people are going to return to the in out content fights as previous, would it be possible to ask if the article can be kept with locking or editor restrictions? Mosfetfaser ( talk) 19:18, 26 March 2014 (UTC)
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Hi -- I saw that you were one of the delete !voters on a soccer player, for failing among other things to have played in an appropriate professional league. I was looking at an article on him here, and it appears that he now at least has done so (e.g., the Israeli Premier League, which is on this list). But before I start the article, I thought I would check with you to see if you agree. Tx.-- Epeefleche ( talk) 06:41, 27 March 2014 (UTC)
Yep, playing a match in the Israeli Premier League would be enough to satisfy WP:NFOOTBALL and meet minimum notability requirements. Giant Snowman 12:00, 27 March 2014 (UTC)
Hi Epeefleche. Regarding this: If you see a comment of mine such as the one at Talk:Chessie (band), even if it's very old, I'd be happier if you came by my talk page to ask me about it rather than putting a deletion tag on such an article. Thanks, Paul Erik (talk) (contribs) 23:41, 28 March 2014 (UTC)
Hello Epeefleche, and thanks for patrolling new pages! I am just letting you know that I declined the speedy deletion of Fawad Khan (actor), a page you tagged for speedy deletion, because of the following concern: My feeling is that the article and reference constitute a claim of significance enough to escape A7. You may wish to review the Criteria for Speedy Deletion before tagging further pages. Thank you. Olaf Davis ( talk) 00:24, 29 March 2014 (UTC)
Hi there. I see you've added Zachary Wohlman back to the Northridge, Reseda and Woodland Hills articles. I also went looking for a source, and found the same one you listed. For obvious reasons, WP:USCITIES suggests adding notable individuals "that were born, or lived for a significant amount of time, in the city". The source you cited doesn't state that though. Thanks. Magnolia677 ( talk) 18:32, 31 March 2014 (UTC)
Dear Epeefleche, please take your content disputes concerning the BLP of Cammalleri to Talk:Michael Cammalleri and not cluttering my talk page, as we have no extra-content issues to discuss. I'm done with your rants and conspiracy theories.-- Львівське ( говорити) 06:30, 1 April 2014 (UTC)
But I don't see any reference by me to a conspiracy.-- Epeefleche ( talk) 06:46, 1 April 2014 (UTC)
Thank you Epeefleche, I am new to editing Wikipedia; is my cite fixed on SSWSC? I didn't see that info was removed as per your message, so I just added a cite. Thank you for your help. Sswsc ( talk) 23:38, 1 April 2014 (UTC) SSWSC
Thanks for this Victuallers ( talk) 16:02, 6 April 2014 (UTC)
Please put the discography back on the Gilles Vigneault page. You should be aware that when someone is notable, they are often notable for a body of work. This body of work should be included on their page, in the correct section. For musicians, Discography. For actors and directors, Filmography, and for authors, Bibliography. These sections should not be optional, and cites are not required, as the works themselves are by the artist. I'm sure you'll agree that showing a musicians body of work is necessary for an article on a musician. I will leave the format of the Discography up to you, since you seem to have some sort of problem with it. The Steve 04:07, 19 April 2014 (UTC)
You were right, thanks for making me a better editor. I was going to correct the criticism section but it had some issues and it was easier to delete it. I rewrote what was there and have added a new part to address the updated method.
I was going to start one, but then I vaguely thought there was one already, so I thought I'd just wait.— alf laylah wa laylah ( talk) 06:14, 29 April 2014 (UTC)
I declined the speedy deletion of Liam Kelly (musician) as the subject made a claim of significance backed by a reliable source. I also removed the maintenance tags as I felt they no longer applied.
Please note that pages are only eligible for speedy deletion if all of its revisions are also eligible. I see you are tagging lots of articles, many of which have been around for years. If you feel they meet deletion criteria, consider sending them to AfD rather than nominating for speedy deletion. I also might have to agree with other users that you may be a little hasty with deleting content. I'm a stickler for verifiability myself, but unless it's likely to be challenged I generally tag it for needing a source. This allows other editors time to address the concern, which is partially why the templates are dated.
Example... an article I've recently been working on had serious verifiability issues. However, the prose was superb, and when I went to do research, all the claims checked out. I added sources where needed and hopefully the article will soon be heading to WP:GAN. My point is if content is removed altogether it might be forgotten, and it may take longer to be rewritten than it would to have been kept, tagged, and later sourced. All of this is of course my opinion. I just thought I'd share it with you. Cheers — MusikAnimal talk 03:49, 5 May 2014 (UTC)
Hi Epeefleche - since you've recently added a whole bunch of new articles, I've listed them here. It would be really great if you could list them yourself, though, since it takes a while for them to show up on the radar. -- Sreifa ( talk) 06:32, 3 August 2011 (UTC)
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A tag has been placed on Athlon Sports Communications requesting that it be speedily deleted from Wikipedia. This has been done under section A7 of the criteria for speedy deletion, because the article appears to be about an organization or company, but it does not indicate how or why the subject is important or significant: that is, why an article about that subject should be included in an encyclopedia. Under the criteria for speedy deletion, such articles may be deleted at any time. Please read more about what is generally accepted as notable.
If you think this page should not be deleted for this reason, you may contest the nomination by visiting the page and clicking the button labelled "Click here to contest this speedy deletion". This will give you the opportunity to explain why you believe the page should not be deleted. However, be aware that once a page is tagged for speedy deletion, it may be removed without delay. Please do not remove the speedy deletion tag from the page yourself, but do not hesitate to add information in line with Wikipedia's policies and guidelines. If the page is deleted, and you wish to retrieve the deleted material for future reference or improvement, you can place a request here. Uncletomwood ( talk) 09:41, 8 April 2013 (UTC)
Do not remove unsourced material from an article and then tag it as an A7. Speedy deletions do not depend on sourcing, and the method you occasionally use is manipulative of the process.-- Bbb23 ( talk) 16:43, 26 May 2014 (UTC)
I am curious why Magic Circle Festival wasn't important enough to keep while /info/en/?search=Wacken_Open_Air, /info/en/?search=Hellfest_(American_music_festival), /info/en/?search=Hellfest_(French_music_festival) To name a few metal festivals all have their own pages. Thank you. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Will Decay ( talk • contribs) 14:27, 11 June 2014 (UTC)
( stalking) I don't wish to wade in to an argument, particularly as I've just given my 2c at WT:CSD, but rather than arguing the case over what's "significant" or "notable", a far better thing to do is to dig out sources that cover the festival, and cite them, so the notability becomes unquestionable. The Daily Telegraph is particularly good at doing coverage. Ritchie333 (talk) (cont) 11:41, 13 June 2014 (UTC)
Are you really that determined to get every single shopping centre article in Wikipedia deleted from the site (even the ones with reference sources, which you claim to be "unreliable" but are, in fact, not)? This is looking very reminiscent of your previous AfD deletion nomination sprees which ended up drawing heavy criticism against you from other posters and admins here.
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"Primary" is not, and should not be, a bit of jargon used by Wikipedians to mean "bad" or "unreliable" or "unusable". While some primary sources are not fully independent, they can be authoritative, high-quality, accurate, fact-checked, expert-approved, subject to editorial control and published by a reputable publisher. Primary sources can be reliable, and they can be used. Sometimes, a primary source is even the best possible source, such as when you are supporting a direct quotation. In such cases, the original document is the best source because the original document will be free of any errors or misquotations introduced by subsequent sources.
Material based on primary sources can be valuable and appropriate additions to articles.
An article about a business: The organization's own website is an acceptable (although possibly incomplete) primary source for information about what the company says about itself and for most basic facts about its history, products, employees, finances, and facilities.
Reliable sources must be able to be verified. This does not mean that any particular person at any given moment must be capable of verifying them.
- Verifiable sources may have time restrictions (only accessible between 10am and 4pm in a particular time zone).
- Verifiable sources may have location restrictions (only available at one archive, museum, repository, or only available within a certain country or geographical area).
- Verifiable sources may have cost restrictions (the purchase of a book, journal article, magazine, newspaper, or the Interlibrary Loans or Document Delivery costs associated with them, access to a museum costs, costs of entry to paid archival services).
- Verifiable sources may have technical or personal restrictions (written in languages other than English, on websites that require a certain software, available on a type of media that requires the reader to have a certain type of technological appliance to access it)
The costs or difficulties of verifying a source do not impact its reliability, as long as it can be verified by someone in a reasonable time frame.
Where a source is difficult to verify, or in a language other than English, many editors appreciate the courtesy of supplying the relevant paragraph and ensuring it can be read by English language readers. When sources of equal quality are available, the ease of access may be preferred. But if sources of higher quality are difficult to verify, that difficulty alone is not a reason to disregard such sources or replace them with lower-quality ones.
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