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Please don't mess up my recently archived Talk page by posting anything that fails to meet my standards, which will be explained at a later time.
Since you seem to be unwilling or unable to cease from badgering one respondent after another in your own siteban discussion (bludgeoning par excellence), I have blocked you indefinitely. Note that this is not the WP:CBAN. It needs to run for at least 3 days before it can reach a formal conclusion. El_C 03:04, 18 February 2021 (UTC)
Twassman—I was open to several possible wordings such as, Einstein was Jewish, Einstein was a nonobservant Jew, Einstein was a secular Jew—it did not matter. The only acceptable language to my fellow editors was born into a Jewish family. Bus stop ( talk) 03:21, 18 February 2021 (UTC)
Please do not contact me by email again. I have zero interest in communicating with or debating with you off-Wikipedia. Cullen328 Let's discuss it 04:54, 18 February 2021 (UTC)
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Request reason:
From a sourcing point of view there can be no doubt that Einstein was Jewish. But it was determined, based on such policies as WP:ONUS and WP:CONSENSUS, that the Albert Einstein article should not pointedly state "Einstein was Jewish". The other editors preferred the language "was born into a Jewish family". WP:ONUS tells us: "While information must be verifiable to be included in an article, not all verifiable information needs to be included in an article...consensus may determine that certain information does not improve an article, and that it should be omitted". This information was clearly verifiable but consensus determined that its inclusion would not improve the article. I WP:BLUDGEONED at /info/en/?search=Talk:Albert_Einstein/Archive_19#Einstein_and_Jewishness. I should not have argued against a longstanding WP:CONSENSUS which did not want to pointedly state that Einstein was Jewish. The other editors weighing in to that discussion disagreed with the edit I was suggesting and I should have respected their opinion when it became obvious that consensus was against me. While I cannot undo the past I can vow never to do that again. I bludgeoned (WP:BLUDGEONED) the article Talk page and I offer this sincere commitment to not be overly argumentative at article Talk pages again. I am asking that my account be un-blocked so that I may continue to constructively edit Wikipedia. This was requested at /info/en/?search=Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard/Archive330#Ban_removal_request_of_Bus_stop but my request was denied with the expectation that I wait 6 months before requesting again. Hence this appeal now. Thank you.
Decline reason:
This is a community ban and as such an unblock request will need to be discussed at AN. I will copy this unblock request to there. Black Kite (talk) 20:16, 11 September 2021 (UTC)
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What topics do you want to edit? PhilKnight ( talk) 18:31, 11 September 2021 (UTC)
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Request reason:
From a sourcing point of view there can be no doubt that Einstein was Jewish. But it was determined, based on such policies as WP:ONUS and WP:CONSENSUS, that the Albert Einstein article should not pointedly state "Einstein was Jewish". The other editors preferred the language "was born into a Jewish family". WP:ONUS tells us: "While information must be verifiable to be included in an article, not all verifiable information needs to be included in an article...consensus may determine that certain information does not improve an article, and that it should be omitted". This information was clearly verifiable but consensus determined that its inclusion would not improve the article. I WP:BLUDGEONED at: /info/en/?search=Talk:Albert_Einstein/Archive_19#Einstein_and_Jewishness I should not have argued against a longstanding WP:CONSENSUS which did not want to pointedly state that Einstein was Jewish. The other editors weighing in to that discussion disagreed with the edit I was suggesting and I should have respected their opinion when it became obvious that consensus was against me. While I cannot undo the past I can vow never to do that again. I bludgeoned (WP:BLUDGEONED) the article Talk page and I offer this sincere commitment to not be overly argumentative at article Talk pages again. I am asking that my account be un-blocked so that I may continue to constructively edit Wikipedia. It should be very obvious that some people (editors) are very sensitive about Jewishness. I understand that and appreciate the need for caution in the assertion that the subject of an article is Jewish. This subject has been discussed truly ad infinitum at this project. As a non-editor, for over a year now, I have come across numerous discussions, often heated, as to whether a subject can be identified as Jewish or not. These would include current as well as older discussions. I think my above unblock request touches on some of the factors involved in these decision-making processes. I'm not sure what more I can say. I thank the community for their consideration. User:Bus stop
Decline reason:
WP:SNOWBALL. You are free to make another request, even using the same wording if you wish (though I don't advise it); maybe another admin will view your request more favourably. But, I simply don't see a path forward here. Yamla ( talk) 15:46, 25 January 2022 (UTC)
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@ Yamla: are you aware that you are not giving any reason for your "decline"? This is an encyclopedia, and we are not required to speak in acronyms. We speak for clarity. Why are you referring to WP:SNOWBALL? Please expend the energy to express yourself in your own words with clarity. In the absence of any reason for a "decline" your reference to WP:SNOWBALL merely constitutes obfuscation. You can do better than that. Please engage in genuine dialogue. Thank you. Bus stop ( talk) 16:09, 25 January 2022 (UTC)
"I'll comment, although I'm not sure it will actually be helpful". You know that it will be unhelpful because you know it is disproportionate to what transpired. This is what transpired. Bus stop ( talk) 23:06, 30 January 2022 (UTC)
Bus stop, if you continue to discuss Einstein's Jewishness and how we should describe it in our article, I am going to remove talk page access again. When User:Bradv restored talk page access per, evidently, an email request you sent ArbCom, I cannot imagine ArbCom had in mind enabling repeated rants about how Einstein is Jewish. User:Yamla's refusal to take the earlier unban request to WP:AN was completely correct. In deference to ArbCom's decision, and against my better judgement, I'm leaving talk page access open for now, to give you one more chance to come up with a reasonable unban request that someone can put to the community at WP:AN. Necessary - but not sufficient - conditions for being considered "reasonable" include: it doesn't mention Einstein, it doesn't mention Judaism, and it shows some indication that you've read and understood WP:GAB. If, instead, we get more bludgeoning, or it does mention one of those two subjects, or if it is 100% obviously a non-starter, I will remove talk page access, to prevent further wasting of other people's time. I think you'll find if you lose access to your talk page again, you're probably not going to be able to get it back for a year or two (and possibly longer). Make it count. -- Floquenbeam ( talk) 20:36, 23 February 2022 (UTC)
My name is Laura and I work for Joanna Shields, Baroness Shields, a baron, businessperson, and former British politician. The page about her was recently tagged for COI and advert issues due to some poor edits made years ago. I posted here regarding my desire to address the substance of the tags with a re-write or heavy trims, to remove the promotional content. I was hoping you might be willing to chime in on the proposed trims and/or the suggestion for a rewrite. Let me know. Best regards.~~~~ LauTad89 ( talk) 14:49, 6 October 2023 (UTC)
This user has been
banned indefinitely from editing the English Wikipedia by the community. Administrators, please review the
banning policy before unblocking. ( block log · contributions · discussion at ANI) |
Please don't mess up my recently archived Talk page by posting anything that fails to meet my standards, which will be explained at a later time.
Since you seem to be unwilling or unable to cease from badgering one respondent after another in your own siteban discussion (bludgeoning par excellence), I have blocked you indefinitely. Note that this is not the WP:CBAN. It needs to run for at least 3 days before it can reach a formal conclusion. El_C 03:04, 18 February 2021 (UTC)
Twassman—I was open to several possible wordings such as, Einstein was Jewish, Einstein was a nonobservant Jew, Einstein was a secular Jew—it did not matter. The only acceptable language to my fellow editors was born into a Jewish family. Bus stop ( talk) 03:21, 18 February 2021 (UTC)
Please do not contact me by email again. I have zero interest in communicating with or debating with you off-Wikipedia. Cullen328 Let's discuss it 04:54, 18 February 2021 (UTC)
At WP:ANI, the community decided to make you subject to a site ban. See WP:SITEBAN. You are therefore forbidden to contribute to Wikipedia under any account or IP address. Sandstein 09:43, 19 February 2021 (UTC)
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Request reason:
From a sourcing point of view there can be no doubt that Einstein was Jewish. But it was determined, based on such policies as WP:ONUS and WP:CONSENSUS, that the Albert Einstein article should not pointedly state "Einstein was Jewish". The other editors preferred the language "was born into a Jewish family". WP:ONUS tells us: "While information must be verifiable to be included in an article, not all verifiable information needs to be included in an article...consensus may determine that certain information does not improve an article, and that it should be omitted". This information was clearly verifiable but consensus determined that its inclusion would not improve the article. I WP:BLUDGEONED at /info/en/?search=Talk:Albert_Einstein/Archive_19#Einstein_and_Jewishness. I should not have argued against a longstanding WP:CONSENSUS which did not want to pointedly state that Einstein was Jewish. The other editors weighing in to that discussion disagreed with the edit I was suggesting and I should have respected their opinion when it became obvious that consensus was against me. While I cannot undo the past I can vow never to do that again. I bludgeoned (WP:BLUDGEONED) the article Talk page and I offer this sincere commitment to not be overly argumentative at article Talk pages again. I am asking that my account be un-blocked so that I may continue to constructively edit Wikipedia. This was requested at /info/en/?search=Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard/Archive330#Ban_removal_request_of_Bus_stop but my request was denied with the expectation that I wait 6 months before requesting again. Hence this appeal now. Thank you.
Decline reason:
This is a community ban and as such an unblock request will need to be discussed at AN. I will copy this unblock request to there. Black Kite (talk) 20:16, 11 September 2021 (UTC)
If you want to make any further unblock requests, please read the guide to appealing blocks first, then use the {{ unblock}} template again. If you make too many unconvincing or disruptive unblock requests, you may be prevented from editing this page until your block has expired. Do not remove this unblock review while you are blocked.
What topics do you want to edit? PhilKnight ( talk) 18:31, 11 September 2021 (UTC)
Bus stop ( block log • active blocks • global blocks • contribs • deleted contribs • filter log • creation log • change block settings • unblock • checkuser ( log))
Request reason:
From a sourcing point of view there can be no doubt that Einstein was Jewish. But it was determined, based on such policies as WP:ONUS and WP:CONSENSUS, that the Albert Einstein article should not pointedly state "Einstein was Jewish". The other editors preferred the language "was born into a Jewish family". WP:ONUS tells us: "While information must be verifiable to be included in an article, not all verifiable information needs to be included in an article...consensus may determine that certain information does not improve an article, and that it should be omitted". This information was clearly verifiable but consensus determined that its inclusion would not improve the article. I WP:BLUDGEONED at: /info/en/?search=Talk:Albert_Einstein/Archive_19#Einstein_and_Jewishness I should not have argued against a longstanding WP:CONSENSUS which did not want to pointedly state that Einstein was Jewish. The other editors weighing in to that discussion disagreed with the edit I was suggesting and I should have respected their opinion when it became obvious that consensus was against me. While I cannot undo the past I can vow never to do that again. I bludgeoned (WP:BLUDGEONED) the article Talk page and I offer this sincere commitment to not be overly argumentative at article Talk pages again. I am asking that my account be un-blocked so that I may continue to constructively edit Wikipedia. It should be very obvious that some people (editors) are very sensitive about Jewishness. I understand that and appreciate the need for caution in the assertion that the subject of an article is Jewish. This subject has been discussed truly ad infinitum at this project. As a non-editor, for over a year now, I have come across numerous discussions, often heated, as to whether a subject can be identified as Jewish or not. These would include current as well as older discussions. I think my above unblock request touches on some of the factors involved in these decision-making processes. I'm not sure what more I can say. I thank the community for their consideration. User:Bus stop
Decline reason:
WP:SNOWBALL. You are free to make another request, even using the same wording if you wish (though I don't advise it); maybe another admin will view your request more favourably. But, I simply don't see a path forward here. Yamla ( talk) 15:46, 25 January 2022 (UTC)
If you want to make any further unblock requests, please read the guide to appealing blocks first, then use the {{ unblock}} template again. If you make too many unconvincing or disruptive unblock requests, you may be prevented from editing this page until your block has expired. Do not remove this unblock review while you are blocked.
@ Yamla: are you aware that you are not giving any reason for your "decline"? This is an encyclopedia, and we are not required to speak in acronyms. We speak for clarity. Why are you referring to WP:SNOWBALL? Please expend the energy to express yourself in your own words with clarity. In the absence of any reason for a "decline" your reference to WP:SNOWBALL merely constitutes obfuscation. You can do better than that. Please engage in genuine dialogue. Thank you. Bus stop ( talk) 16:09, 25 January 2022 (UTC)
"I'll comment, although I'm not sure it will actually be helpful". You know that it will be unhelpful because you know it is disproportionate to what transpired. This is what transpired. Bus stop ( talk) 23:06, 30 January 2022 (UTC)
Bus stop, if you continue to discuss Einstein's Jewishness and how we should describe it in our article, I am going to remove talk page access again. When User:Bradv restored talk page access per, evidently, an email request you sent ArbCom, I cannot imagine ArbCom had in mind enabling repeated rants about how Einstein is Jewish. User:Yamla's refusal to take the earlier unban request to WP:AN was completely correct. In deference to ArbCom's decision, and against my better judgement, I'm leaving talk page access open for now, to give you one more chance to come up with a reasonable unban request that someone can put to the community at WP:AN. Necessary - but not sufficient - conditions for being considered "reasonable" include: it doesn't mention Einstein, it doesn't mention Judaism, and it shows some indication that you've read and understood WP:GAB. If, instead, we get more bludgeoning, or it does mention one of those two subjects, or if it is 100% obviously a non-starter, I will remove talk page access, to prevent further wasting of other people's time. I think you'll find if you lose access to your talk page again, you're probably not going to be able to get it back for a year or two (and possibly longer). Make it count. -- Floquenbeam ( talk) 20:36, 23 February 2022 (UTC)
My name is Laura and I work for Joanna Shields, Baroness Shields, a baron, businessperson, and former British politician. The page about her was recently tagged for COI and advert issues due to some poor edits made years ago. I posted here regarding my desire to address the substance of the tags with a re-write or heavy trims, to remove the promotional content. I was hoping you might be willing to chime in on the proposed trims and/or the suggestion for a rewrite. Let me know. Best regards.~~~~ LauTad89 ( talk) 14:49, 6 October 2023 (UTC)