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Find video game sources: "GMR" – news · newspapers · books · scholar · JSTOR · free images · free news sources · TWL · NYT · WP reference · VG/RS · VG/RL · WPVG/Talk · LinkSearch · URL... LinkTo
GMR is a Ziff Davis US magazine that provided computer and console game reviews from 2003 to 2005. The magazine had an editorial board and the magazines were closely linked to online content on the 1Up Network website, a reliable source under WP:VG/S. Given the publisher, plenty of the contributors turn up in other reliable sources, such as Greg Orlando, Che Chou and Ryan Scott. The only thing that is unusual is that the magazines were sold in Electronics Boutique. But it's a Ziff Davis publication and the review scores suggest this had no more of an impact on editorial independence than compared to other magazine reviews. You can find all the issues on the Internet Archive.
Find video game sources: "Sporta Centrs" – news · newspapers · books · scholar · JSTOR · free images · free news sources · TWL · NYT · WP reference · VG/RS · VG/RL · WPVG/Talk · LinkSearch · LinkTo
SportaCentrs.com (LV Wikipedia) is a Latvian (non-English) media that publishes information about sports and also eSports.
The site was launched in 2002 and they have a professional team of journalists about sports and esports: https://parmums.sportacentrs.com/redakcija.html
Currently working on Draft:Papa Louie (game series) and found a great review by GameLuster, but didn't see this listed under any sources or in this talk archive. They seem to have a dedicated writing/senior staff where they do both reviews and game news: https://gameluster.com/
Would love to get input on this source and how reliable it may be. Squiddyonwiki ( talk) 20:31, 4 May 2024 (UTC)
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Is Beebom reliable or not? Supergrey1 ( talk) 14:22, 5 May 2024 (UTC)
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There is seemingly no prior discussion on this source. Is it reliable? —
🌙Eclipse (
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Former Waypoint/Vice Games folks (Patrick Klepek, Rob Zacny, Ricardo Contreras) started up Remap Radio about a year ago and they've started publishing reported work in recent months. Waypoint is already on our RS list. Some of their reported work includes stuff from Duncan Fyfe (known reliable reporter) and freelance work from Reid McCarter (AV Club, Bullet Points Monthly), Austin Walker (Giant Bomb), and Cameron Kunzelman (Paste, Polygon, etc.). I think this one is an easy pass. Axem Titanium ( talk) 17:53, 30 May 2024 (UTC)
Link to site [1] Masem ( t) 18:21, 30 May 2024 (UTC)
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This source seems quite reliable to me. Their reviews are proper, and look neat. JuniperChill ( talk) 20:50, 30 May 2024 (UTC)
I'm not seeing any evidence that other reliable sources are quoting them. All in all, feels like a well done but still young group blog.. So consider this a clear Unreliable for now. -- ferret ( talk) 14:16, 7 June 2024 (UTC)
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Stumbled across this cited on Desmond Miles. The site is defunct, but while the article in question was decently written ( [2]), looking at the Staff page (which was apparently under construction for awhile) and the About Us page doesn't given the highest confidence as it leaves me to worry it's more just a project between friends. Checking the EiC's background too turned up nothing I could fine other than some mentions of other writing and the usual "professional gamer" stuff.
Hoping I'm missing something here. Kung Fu Man ( talk) 14:11, 2 June 2024 (UTC)
Find video game sources: "Cult of Mac" – news · newspapers · books · scholar · JSTOR · free images · free news sources · TWL · NYT · WP reference · VG/RS · VG/RL · WPVG/Talk · LinkSearch · LinkTo
I'm currently looking for sources to verify statements in the
Geometry Dash article and came across this website. One of the editors wrote
a book that seems to have been published by a
reputable company. The other editor worked at Wired, so I really would not see why this source is unreliable at all. —
🌙Eclipse (
talk) (
contribs) 14:53, 4 June 2024 (UTC)
I've seen this source that have been used almost everywhere and it feels like we need a consensus for this if this is reliable or not. 🍕 Boneless Pizza!🍕 ( 🔔) 02:37, 12 June 2024 (UTC)
Find video game sources: "Cheat Code Central" – news · newspapers · books · scholar · JSTOR · free images · free news sources · TWL · NYT · WP reference · VG/RS · VG/RL · WPVG/Talk · LinkSearch · LinkTo I was cleaning something up and saw this cited and was about to remove the article before I recognized the author's name, Jenni Lada, on the page. She's a longtime Siliconera writer, and currently their Editor in Chief. Looking a bit deeper, I noticed the last time the site was discussed on here was 2015, and checking wayback the site at the time didn't have a staff page. Now it appears to, listing an editor with some credentials, and the website's publisher, which lists it's own staff here. There's a section at the bottom that lists the writers, and going to their individual pages they appear to have some credentials as well.
Is it worth reconsidering after all this time? Kung Fu Man ( talk) 03:52, 12 June 2024 (UTC)
EDIT: To clarify, I am suggesting more in the lines of their editorial pieces such as this, not the list barrage.-- Kung Fu Man ( talk) 04:09, 12 June 2024 (UTC)
Find video game sources: "Garaph" – news · newspapers · books · scholar · JSTOR · free images · free news sources · TWL · NYT · WP reference · VG/RS · VG/RL · WPVG/Talk · LinkSearch · LinkTo
According to the website, it lists "Japanese video game sales data" and I can't find it on Wikipedia:WikiProject Video games/Sources so I believe its reliability is to be discussed especially as it is used in the Mario Party 4 good article. DanganMachin ( talk) 12:45, 12 June 2024 (UTC)
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This is another website used in the
Mario Party 4 good article which is absent from
Wikipedia:WikiProject Video games/Sources. Articles seem to be user-generated but I am not sure.
DanganMachin (
talk) 12:51, 12 June 2024 (UTC)
Find video game sources: "Game Donga" – news · newspapers · books · scholar · JSTOR · free images · free news sources · TWL · NYT · WP reference · VG/RS · VG/RL · WPVG/Talk · LinkSearch · LinkTo
Game Donga is a video game-focused news website based in South Korea and established in 2004. It's a joint venture of Donga Dotcom and "Game Gru", the latter of which I can't find any information of. Donga Dotcom is a digital publication division of The Dong-A Ilbo, a newspaper founded in 1920 and a well known news media. However, its About Us page and nature of being a joint venture suggest The Dong-A Ilbo has little-to-none direct quality control over this website. It has been rebranded to IT Donga since 2018, but the website itself including the URL still goes by Game Donga.
About Us lists the current journalists working for this particular group, but most of their introduction reveal little about their career. The editor-in-chief, Jeong Dongbeom (정동범), has no known record before joining Game Donga. One notable journalist is Jo Hakdong (조학동), who has a LinkedIn page. He appears to be one of general managers, claims to be Virtua Fighter 3 tournament winner, and co-authored a book, Smart Phone Game Global Service Guide, published by Korea Creative Content Agency. I found the digital copy on the agency's homepage, but I can't find his name in this and therefore can't tell if he really wrote this. As far as I know, none of these personnels had any turstworthy journalism experience prior. I could't find editorial policy.
And the articles... I figured any recap would be underselling what's going on in this website, so I'm gonna translate a few:
I should mention these were written by three different authors, one of which is Jo Hakdong I mentioned earlier, who did Article 1.
My verdict on Game Donga is that it fails WP:RS to be of any use. Despite its connection with reputable Dong-A Ilbo, this was barely translated into creating useful contents and the website is run by people without credentials, a fact clearly shown in its articles, providing on flame baits rather than actual reporting. It has a habit of information laundering, like Article 4, which tries to spin a tweet by insignificant person as a general opinion even though there's no grounded proof to assume so. I suggest this website be marked unreliable. Emiya Mulzomdao ( talk) 13:48, 13 June 2024 (UTC)
It seems the media apocalypse has claimed another one. :( This was previously discussed at Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Video_games/Sources/Archive_25#Fanbyte , which leaned toward maybe reliable since it had some known names on the "About" page ( 2022 version), and Fanbyte is currently marked "other reliable". Unfortunately, lots (all?) of these names don't appear to work there anymore, including EIC Danielle Riendeau ( https://twitter.com/Danielleri says she's at GameDev, https://x.com/imranzomg?lang=en says "formerly" Fanbyte, https://x.com/hunktears says "formerly" Fanbyte). If we advance to the 2023 version, their about page is merely a redirect to their bare-bones help page about subscriptions to WOWhead and refunds and such. And after mid-2023, they took down the About page entirely. The current Fanbyte front page is just game-guidey stuff for a handful of popular games designed to match search terms ("Best Build for Lyney Main DPS", "Best Build for Arlecchino Main DPS", etc.). Anna Koselke appears to be a known name at least, but she's also churning out listicles. It unfortunately seems clear that some savage cutbacks happened, and they're just barely keeping the lights on with low-effort, low-paid stuff. I think that Fanbyte post-2023 should probably be downgraded to situational. SnowFire ( talk) 06:13, 14 June 2024 (UTC)
I was editing the Billy Mitchell article when I came across this source. I'm unsure if it's unreliable, so I'm starting a discussion here. — lunaeclipse ( talk) 00:41, 17 June 2024 (UTC)
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Find video game sources: "GMR" – news · newspapers · books · scholar · JSTOR · free images · free news sources · TWL · NYT · WP reference · VG/RS · VG/RL · WPVG/Talk · LinkSearch · URL... LinkTo
GMR is a Ziff Davis US magazine that provided computer and console game reviews from 2003 to 2005. The magazine had an editorial board and the magazines were closely linked to online content on the 1Up Network website, a reliable source under WP:VG/S. Given the publisher, plenty of the contributors turn up in other reliable sources, such as Greg Orlando, Che Chou and Ryan Scott. The only thing that is unusual is that the magazines were sold in Electronics Boutique. But it's a Ziff Davis publication and the review scores suggest this had no more of an impact on editorial independence than compared to other magazine reviews. You can find all the issues on the Internet Archive.
Find video game sources: "Sporta Centrs" – news · newspapers · books · scholar · JSTOR · free images · free news sources · TWL · NYT · WP reference · VG/RS · VG/RL · WPVG/Talk · LinkSearch · LinkTo
SportaCentrs.com (LV Wikipedia) is a Latvian (non-English) media that publishes information about sports and also eSports.
The site was launched in 2002 and they have a professional team of journalists about sports and esports: https://parmums.sportacentrs.com/redakcija.html
Currently working on Draft:Papa Louie (game series) and found a great review by GameLuster, but didn't see this listed under any sources or in this talk archive. They seem to have a dedicated writing/senior staff where they do both reviews and game news: https://gameluster.com/
Would love to get input on this source and how reliable it may be. Squiddyonwiki ( talk) 20:31, 4 May 2024 (UTC)
Find video game sources: "Beebom" – news · newspapers · books · scholar · JSTOR · free images · free news sources · TWL · NYT · WP reference · VG/RS · VG/RL · WPVG/Talk · LinkSearch · LinkTo
Is Beebom reliable or not? Supergrey1 ( talk) 14:22, 5 May 2024 (UTC)
Find video game sources:
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WP reference ·
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VG/RL ·
WPVG/Talk ·
LinkSearch ·
LinkTo
There is seemingly no prior discussion on this source. Is it reliable? —
🌙Eclipse (
talk) (
contribs) 19:37, 18 May 2024 (UTC)
Find video game sources: "Remap Radio" – news · newspapers · books · scholar · JSTOR · free images · free news sources · TWL · NYT · WP reference · VG/RS · VG/RL · WPVG/Talk · LinkSearch · LinkTo
Former Waypoint/Vice Games folks (Patrick Klepek, Rob Zacny, Ricardo Contreras) started up Remap Radio about a year ago and they've started publishing reported work in recent months. Waypoint is already on our RS list. Some of their reported work includes stuff from Duncan Fyfe (known reliable reporter) and freelance work from Reid McCarter (AV Club, Bullet Points Monthly), Austin Walker (Giant Bomb), and Cameron Kunzelman (Paste, Polygon, etc.). I think this one is an easy pass. Axem Titanium ( talk) 17:53, 30 May 2024 (UTC)
Link to site [1] Masem ( t) 18:21, 30 May 2024 (UTC)
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This source seems quite reliable to me. Their reviews are proper, and look neat. JuniperChill ( talk) 20:50, 30 May 2024 (UTC)
I'm not seeing any evidence that other reliable sources are quoting them. All in all, feels like a well done but still young group blog.. So consider this a clear Unreliable for now. -- ferret ( talk) 14:16, 7 June 2024 (UTC)
Find video game sources: "OnlySP" – news · newspapers · books · scholar · JSTOR · free images · free news sources · TWL · NYT · WP reference · VG/RS · VG/RL · WPVG/Talk · LinkSearch · LinkTo
Stumbled across this cited on Desmond Miles. The site is defunct, but while the article in question was decently written ( [2]), looking at the Staff page (which was apparently under construction for awhile) and the About Us page doesn't given the highest confidence as it leaves me to worry it's more just a project between friends. Checking the EiC's background too turned up nothing I could fine other than some mentions of other writing and the usual "professional gamer" stuff.
Hoping I'm missing something here. Kung Fu Man ( talk) 14:11, 2 June 2024 (UTC)
Find video game sources: "Cult of Mac" – news · newspapers · books · scholar · JSTOR · free images · free news sources · TWL · NYT · WP reference · VG/RS · VG/RL · WPVG/Talk · LinkSearch · LinkTo
I'm currently looking for sources to verify statements in the
Geometry Dash article and came across this website. One of the editors wrote
a book that seems to have been published by a
reputable company. The other editor worked at Wired, so I really would not see why this source is unreliable at all. —
🌙Eclipse (
talk) (
contribs) 14:53, 4 June 2024 (UTC)
I've seen this source that have been used almost everywhere and it feels like we need a consensus for this if this is reliable or not. 🍕 Boneless Pizza!🍕 ( 🔔) 02:37, 12 June 2024 (UTC)
Find video game sources: "Cheat Code Central" – news · newspapers · books · scholar · JSTOR · free images · free news sources · TWL · NYT · WP reference · VG/RS · VG/RL · WPVG/Talk · LinkSearch · LinkTo I was cleaning something up and saw this cited and was about to remove the article before I recognized the author's name, Jenni Lada, on the page. She's a longtime Siliconera writer, and currently their Editor in Chief. Looking a bit deeper, I noticed the last time the site was discussed on here was 2015, and checking wayback the site at the time didn't have a staff page. Now it appears to, listing an editor with some credentials, and the website's publisher, which lists it's own staff here. There's a section at the bottom that lists the writers, and going to their individual pages they appear to have some credentials as well.
Is it worth reconsidering after all this time? Kung Fu Man ( talk) 03:52, 12 June 2024 (UTC)
EDIT: To clarify, I am suggesting more in the lines of their editorial pieces such as this, not the list barrage.-- Kung Fu Man ( talk) 04:09, 12 June 2024 (UTC)
Find video game sources: "Garaph" – news · newspapers · books · scholar · JSTOR · free images · free news sources · TWL · NYT · WP reference · VG/RS · VG/RL · WPVG/Talk · LinkSearch · LinkTo
According to the website, it lists "Japanese video game sales data" and I can't find it on Wikipedia:WikiProject Video games/Sources so I believe its reliability is to be discussed especially as it is used in the Mario Party 4 good article. DanganMachin ( talk) 12:45, 12 June 2024 (UTC)
Find video game sources: "The Game of Nerds" – news · newspapers · books · scholar · JSTOR · free images · free news sources · TWL · NYT · WP reference · VG/RS · VG/RL · WPVG/Talk · LinkSearch · LinkTo
This is another website used in the
Mario Party 4 good article which is absent from
Wikipedia:WikiProject Video games/Sources. Articles seem to be user-generated but I am not sure.
DanganMachin (
talk) 12:51, 12 June 2024 (UTC)
Find video game sources: "Game Donga" – news · newspapers · books · scholar · JSTOR · free images · free news sources · TWL · NYT · WP reference · VG/RS · VG/RL · WPVG/Talk · LinkSearch · LinkTo
Game Donga is a video game-focused news website based in South Korea and established in 2004. It's a joint venture of Donga Dotcom and "Game Gru", the latter of which I can't find any information of. Donga Dotcom is a digital publication division of The Dong-A Ilbo, a newspaper founded in 1920 and a well known news media. However, its About Us page and nature of being a joint venture suggest The Dong-A Ilbo has little-to-none direct quality control over this website. It has been rebranded to IT Donga since 2018, but the website itself including the URL still goes by Game Donga.
About Us lists the current journalists working for this particular group, but most of their introduction reveal little about their career. The editor-in-chief, Jeong Dongbeom (정동범), has no known record before joining Game Donga. One notable journalist is Jo Hakdong (조학동), who has a LinkedIn page. He appears to be one of general managers, claims to be Virtua Fighter 3 tournament winner, and co-authored a book, Smart Phone Game Global Service Guide, published by Korea Creative Content Agency. I found the digital copy on the agency's homepage, but I can't find his name in this and therefore can't tell if he really wrote this. As far as I know, none of these personnels had any turstworthy journalism experience prior. I could't find editorial policy.
And the articles... I figured any recap would be underselling what's going on in this website, so I'm gonna translate a few:
I should mention these were written by three different authors, one of which is Jo Hakdong I mentioned earlier, who did Article 1.
My verdict on Game Donga is that it fails WP:RS to be of any use. Despite its connection with reputable Dong-A Ilbo, this was barely translated into creating useful contents and the website is run by people without credentials, a fact clearly shown in its articles, providing on flame baits rather than actual reporting. It has a habit of information laundering, like Article 4, which tries to spin a tweet by insignificant person as a general opinion even though there's no grounded proof to assume so. I suggest this website be marked unreliable. Emiya Mulzomdao ( talk) 13:48, 13 June 2024 (UTC)
It seems the media apocalypse has claimed another one. :( This was previously discussed at Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Video_games/Sources/Archive_25#Fanbyte , which leaned toward maybe reliable since it had some known names on the "About" page ( 2022 version), and Fanbyte is currently marked "other reliable". Unfortunately, lots (all?) of these names don't appear to work there anymore, including EIC Danielle Riendeau ( https://twitter.com/Danielleri says she's at GameDev, https://x.com/imranzomg?lang=en says "formerly" Fanbyte, https://x.com/hunktears says "formerly" Fanbyte). If we advance to the 2023 version, their about page is merely a redirect to their bare-bones help page about subscriptions to WOWhead and refunds and such. And after mid-2023, they took down the About page entirely. The current Fanbyte front page is just game-guidey stuff for a handful of popular games designed to match search terms ("Best Build for Lyney Main DPS", "Best Build for Arlecchino Main DPS", etc.). Anna Koselke appears to be a known name at least, but she's also churning out listicles. It unfortunately seems clear that some savage cutbacks happened, and they're just barely keeping the lights on with low-effort, low-paid stuff. I think that Fanbyte post-2023 should probably be downgraded to situational. SnowFire ( talk) 06:13, 14 June 2024 (UTC)
I was editing the Billy Mitchell article when I came across this source. I'm unsure if it's unreliable, so I'm starting a discussion here. — lunaeclipse ( talk) 00:41, 17 June 2024 (UTC)