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Wikipedia:WikiProject Mortal Kombat is one very good example. It's very inactive, and should just be merged into this project. Wikipedia:WikiProject Video games/Tycoon games, is this a taskforce currently, or just an inactive project? The page name is similar to the other taskforces, but it's still listed as project. Is there a taskforce box made for this yet? I looked on the project page (taskforce page, or whatever), and didn't see anything. Also: Wikipedia:WikiProject The Legend of Zelda series seems to be inactive or dead as well, with only a few posts in the recent months. I would imagine there is more inactive projects that should be merged and/or redirected to this one. If enough interest is around: change relevant projects into taskforces when needed. While we are doing this, taskforces should be checked to see if they are active as well. I suppose it's possible, activity could pick up in them sometime, but it doesn't seem likely. Broad scope projects usually die down and just sit inactive for long periods of time. This isn't a space issue, it's just a matter of some project cleanup. Thoughts? RobJ1981 23:23, 29 October 2007 (UTC)
I feel like I'm treading through unsteady water. I just failed Silent Hill 4 and think that Silent Hill 2 needs to go through GAR. Meanwhile, Flash Focus is stewing around becauase I can't find any dev information. In order to be "broad in its coverage," ( 3a) a develompent section is ncessary, right? Can someone start picking through WP:VG/GA and delist or submit to WP:GAR the ones that do not have dev sections? From first sight, it looks like most of the Fire Emblem articles do not pass this... hbdragon88 23:39, 29 October 2007 (UTC)
Information on development and copies sold can be difficult to come by. I'd argue that a development section would be necessary in order for an article to hit FA status, but not necessarily for GA status. GA just means the article is in good shape, but FAs are those articles we want to promote for all the world to see. In that case, I'd expect there to be a lot of information about the subject, which means that it needs to meet a higher notability bar than lower-status articles. Same with sales and critical-reception information - those items are important in a Featured Article. — KieferSkunk ( talk) — 00:25, 30 October 2007 (UTC)
Well, the reviewer for Big Rigs noted that 3a "needs improvement" because I couldn't answer why Stellar Stone decided to make such a poor game. Since then, and since nobody objected when I stated that one of the reasons Super Princess Peach was not GA-worthy during its GAR (one person even agreed), I've been under the impression that no development section != GA quality.
Ashnard was in strong disagreement when I failed Marth (Fire Emblem), but this precedent seems more firmly established, with Princess Peach, Aeris, and that Sepy guy from FFVII all demoted. Black Marsh, a fictional element in a game, was too demoted due to a lack of real-world information. hbdragon88 01:37, 30 October 2007 (UTC)
Ashnard, The statment about Fire Embelm wasnot intended to be an exhuastive list of GAs without development sections; I was just saying, if the CVG's guidelines say it so, then we should make sure all WP:VG/GA follow the same pattern. It just seems very unprofessional to have two sets of standards. It seems that it is split on whether they ought to be absolutley required or not. hbdragon88 21:48, 31 October 2007 (UTC)
The article is up for FA here, and so far so good but I need some fresh, good editing eyes to help copyedit the text as per suggested by the most recent comment. Thanks. -- MASEM 23:44, 29 October 2007 (UTC)
Hi. there is a game I used to play in school about 15 years ago and I cant remember the name of it. It had graphics, but you had to type in commands (get the book, move left, etc.). All I remember from it is that it began in a jail cell and you had to break out of it. The cell had a bed, a shelf with books, and a window that you escaped out of. There was also a gulch at one point where you had to run to jump over. Does anyone remember this game? Thanks! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 151.203.245.146 ( talk) 03:31, 30 October 2007 (UTC)
Pardon me if the question's been asked before, but I've noticed that none of the first person shooter articles around have actual comprehensive detail of the maps in that game – often it's just a short summary of the most popular maps, if any at all.
I then proceeded to try and create List of Battlefield 2 maps, only to discover it had been deleted almost a year ago.
Is there a reason for this?
Thanks. Aitsukai 13:49, 30 October 2007 (UTC)
A few people say a list of playable characters should be on the article, and others say it shouldn't. See that talk page for the discussion. RobJ1981 15:59, 31 October 2007 (UTC)
MOHA is being reviewed for GA. I thought it was good enough for nomination and nominated it ages ago. It has just been reviewed and there is info at the talk page. I addressed all the minor stuff, but I'm not really dedicated enough to fix the other stuff. The article needs some people to address the GA issues. Good luck! -- Simpsons fan 66 04:07, 1 November 2007 (UTC)
I wanted to give the heads up, as the AFD result is merge. The debate closed a few weeks ago. The talk page has activity, but I'm not so sure how much merging (if any) has happened. The note on the top says the list can be re-nominated if the merger isn't done promptly. RobJ1981 13:37, 1 November 2007 (UTC)
How about a Weekly Collaboration on a single video game article? Would help make select articles better faster. I would select the more prominent and important/influencing games such as the GTA series or Halo, etc. -- Cra sh U nderride 17:44, 1 November 2007 (UTC)
GCOTW died out, eventually. One of the reasons for that, I guess (not know) is that many of the editors at WP:VG are primarily interested in one topic within video gaming, and not just any random article. User:Krator ( t c) 19:40, 1 November 2007 (UTC)
I said before that I typically only edited in my sphere of influence; that's still true to an extent, but I've been randomizing my articles more (I've nver played Frogger: Helmet Chaso, Flash Focus, or Blender Bros. before, for instance, and Project Titan was also somewhat random). However, I still wouldn't join GCOTW. Part of why I like it is because of its randomness. hbdragon88 01:54, 2 November 2007 (UTC)
There's two ways we can approach GCOTW:
The first option gives more routes for inclusion by any interested VG editor but feels just a bit like a large scale peer review, but I think that's how you keep such interest alive. Maybe the second type is a different group collaboration and not so much on a weekly scale but on a month so that we don't let key VG articles linger without improvements. -- MASEM 05:04, 2 November 2007 (UTC)
Just chipping in to say that I'll help out when it's up and running again. I'd like Masem's option A, with an option B every once in a while as a change of scenery. - X201 12:54, 2 November 2007 (UTC)
I think Maesem's idea is really nice. Peer review seems kind of dead, too; Alessa Gillespie went up for VG Review on 3 August, failed GA on 26 August...and finally got its first comment on 4 October. Two months is a lot of wikitime. Maybe GCOTW is something we need (stares at the stagnant Flash Focus). hbdragon88 18:48, 3 November 2007 (UTC)
Given that people seem to be keen on my ideas, let me expand more.
Again, we're not stopping anyone inspired to go off and edit these themselves, but we want to make all of the VG articles top notch quality and work with those knowledgeable on the specific game or game aspect to make these high quality articles. We also want to make this more than just a glorified peer review - if one finds bad grammar, they shouldn't just mention it but go in and fix it, for example. Also, I recommend that unless we know we can establish notability we should "Characters in" or other such articles about specific game universes unless there is really strong just-cause. -- MASEM 05:24, 4 November 2007 (UTC)
OK, don't keelhaul me here, but can I ask if the current system for logging deletions is actually worth it? The list never represents the real volume of VG related deletions, and I don't add them myself since it seems like such a faff on.
Would it actually harm the project if we just had an area to throw internal links to VG related AFDs/Prods/CFDs etc and removed them once they were done? That'd mean moving away from cataloging but towards actually letting project members know, at a glance, what's going on.
As with the GCOTW discussion above, the project's strength (to me) and priorities lie with our own individual tastes in games but with a common interest in discussing problems as they arise and dealing with things as they pop up. Being able to let other project members know where the deletion discussions are without jumping through hoops seems like a win-win. Someone another 23:24, 1 November 2007 (UTC)
FYI: Article has been nommed for deletion here: Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Tonka Rescue Patrol#Tonka Rescue Patrol if anyone's keen on establishing notability. -- Rodhullandemu ( talk - contribs) 00:57, 2 November 2007 (UTC)
There is some unnessacary harsh attitude going on there about adding the category "Nintendo DS games". I've created a topic on the talk page to discuss, but I would really apprecitate a third party or two to help sort out this matter. If you want to know what's been happening, check the history of the article, the discussion has been going on there between two editors (which was really not the place for it). I appreciate any and all help. Zemalia 15:45, 2 November 2007 (UTC)
I came across Category:Genre hybrid games the other day, and I was wondering if it's too broad of a category? Many RPGs are action and RPG, Mario sports games blend sports and action, Super Paper Mario has RPG and platform aspects and so on. RobJ1981 23:42, 3 November 2007 (UTC)
I've probably helped quite a few people but also frustrated quite a few people with my attitude, and for that I am sorry. I hope that you all continue editing Wikipedia and enjoy doing so, and keep up the good work. - A Link to the Past (talk) 05:01, 4 November 2007 (UTC)
I previewed Ratchet & Clank: Up Your Arsenal and made a few edits. I would like if another member or two also previewed the article to make sure all is in order there. Aquzenn 01:53, 5 November 2007 (UTC)
Here's yet another article hanging on the edge because of wikilawyering. I'm sure most of you know that the Pokemon are currently being merged to lists (though the process is sort of dead for some reason). Bulbasaur is being held up due to essentially one user refusing to accept that the article is not up to standards. It fails WP:FICT, and it's only assertion of popularity is shared by eleven other Pokemon, so there isn't even a possibility for improvement. There are currently some sources that pretend to assert notability, but they fall quite short. Anyways, we just need a quick number consensus, so if a few people could comment here, that would be appreciated. TTN 20:35, 5 November 2007 (UTC)
{{ Scores VG}} – old discussion
I've archived the old discussion, as it was mostly hammering out the template particulars, but I'd like to restart the discussion on this template in general. Pagra shtak 15:54, 6 November 2007 (UTC)
Addition: Outside of testing this template in one or two articles, please do not use this in the article namespace until we have reached a decision on its use or finalized the template. Pagra shtak 17:50, 6 November 2007 (UTC)
Augh, please be to not. There's no reason to put a bunch of arbitrary numbers in a big ugly table. We can summarize the reviews in prose in the article body itself quite effectively. - A Man In Bl♟ck ( conspire | past ops) 17:43, 6 November 2007 (UTC)
The colors need to be toned down. We should have a one-color maximum, not counting shades of grey. Personally, I prefer all grey. Pagra shtak 19:35, 6 November 2007 (UTC)
User:Thumperward/infobox CVG – old discussion
I'm restarting the discussion on changes to {{ Infobox CVG}}. The old discussion ended with the feeling that the infobox code could be updated, but only for technical matters. Tomwhite56 raised concerns about the width of the template. Please copy over any relevant comments or examples if needed. Pagra shtak 17:47, 6 November 2007 (UTC)
Are we all agreed about adopting the new code? If so change the code, keep the present colours/layout and we can argue about them separately. - X201 09:22, 8 November 2007 (UTC)
I was looking over the film infobox and would like to propose some minor changes to some wording and a new column. I personally dislike the way that the current way of simply using singular style on wording on developer, publisher and particularly designer, as there can and in many cases often is more than one. However, there seems to be some opposition to simply sticking (s) on the end. So, I'd propose changing the wording to "developed by", "published by" and "designed by", thereby happily accomodating both singular and plural forms without implying either only one or many. In addition, I'd also like to see a music composition column, as music is becoming increasingly important to the games and the career progression of the composers. A sandbox of the changes is here, but I'll warn you now that my ability to edit these things isn't brilliant and so the music column may not be properly implemented, so can someone who knows what they are doing look at it.
The article Fiolina Germi has been nominated for deletion ( here) on grounds of non-notability, but looking at the article, it seems to be one of many, many such articles on characters from this series. Here's the relevant template:
I can't bring myself to look at every one of these, but having viewed a selection, I'd be surprised if any of them meet notability requirements. There seems little point just nominating (or indeed deleting) one of them and leaving the rest, so what's to be done? Someone on the AfD discussion suggests withdrawing and taking it to the King of Fighters talk page, but unless a merge is what's intended (and would that solve anything?) there seems little point. A massive all-encompasing AfD perhaps, though those don't tend to go down too well... Any ideas? Miremare 19:27, 6 November 2007 (UTC)
We shouldn't give undue consideration to the fact that some of these are GA's - remember that there were Pokemon FA's that no longer exist because they didn't meet notability requirements. Angel (The King of Fighters) and May Lee (The King of Fighters) may be GA's but still aren't sourced well enough prove notability. Miremare 15:21, 9 November 2007 (UTC)
Just so anyone who may be interested is made aware, I have just tagged a myriad of Xenosaga articles for WP:OR WP:SYNTH and various WP:MOS issues such as in-universe writing and gameguide style.-- Oni Ookami Alfador Talk| @ 00:36, 7 November 2007 (UTC)
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I recently put StarCraft: Brood War through assessment just to see what needs doing in order to get it to good article status. However, one issue put forward by the assessor is cutting back the plot details some more. I'd like someone - preferably without substantive experience of StarCraft and thereby unbiased - to go through the plot section of StarCraft: Brood War#Plot and try to get each episode section down to a couple of sentences in a similar style to StarCraft#Plot. Another editor and I cut the plot back somewhat substantively before putting the article into assessment and although I know it can be cut down further still to meet requirements, I can't see what to cut down. -- Sabre 15:33, 8 November 2007 (UTC)
There definitely are plenty of character articles that do not need to exist (see the above King of Fighters section for just one example). Is anyone here interested in creating a sub-page or something here, so we can list something like Category:Nintendo characters, and go through it to see which characters need articles? Or we can try some other method if someone can think of one. I just don't want to have to come here every single time I run into a consensus wikilawyer. TTN 17:38, 8 November 2007 (UTC)
Just to clarify, TTN, you're suggesting a page where people may nominate a list or category of articles, which can then be reviewed by other editors to judge whether each should remain on WP or not? If so, I agree it could be a useful pre-AfD process, especually for large numbers of related articles - however we don't need to restrict it to characters; there are other categories, like Category:Video game weapons, that would benefit equally well, and even individual articles could be submitted as an easy way of judging consensus without the bother of going down the "official" route unecessarily. Miremare 19:31, 8 November 2007 (UTC)
You'd have my support for a "gamecruft cleanup squad" task force. User:Krator ( t c) 21:39, 8 November 2007 (UTC)
I would argue that such a task force also look at other fictional aspects of VGs besides characters, setting being the next obvious one, but I'm sure there's others. Characters are easiest since merging can be done easily, but I think a general look at any article that goes into details beyond the video game needs to be examined along the same lines. -- MASEM 01:57, 9 November 2007 (UTC)
I started a test page in my sandbox of what a department/task force page could be like. I'll be making some tweaks here and there to get the point across better. I based it on the Video game assessment department. Right now it's barebones, so feedback would be appreciated. Once it looks close enough, we can create the actual page and edit it there. ( Guyinblack25 talk 16:35, 9 November 2007 (UTC))
A point about characters: Why is (to take the above example) a character like Arbiter (Halo) notable? It's a character in a massive series, but there are no independent sources cited other than reviews of the game, which don't provide significant coverage of the character itself. We don't decide what characters are notable on the basis of what games they've been in, and "this is a notable character so there must be sources" is a fallacy - the sources come first and provide the notability, not the other way around. As the article stands, it fails WP:N / WP:FICT. Miremare 17:23, 9 November 2007 (UTC)
The term "real world notability" is thrown around too often, yet nobody seems to agree on what satisfies this. The process of which fictional characters are deemed notable is so random and opinionated it makes me sick. I don't think any culling of articles should be done until we are very clear on what satisfies criteria. What kind sources are we wanting here? I want specific examples.-- SeizureDog 02:13, 10 November 2007 (UTC)
The page has been started at Wikipedia:WikiProject Video games/Cleanup and I've left some comments on the talk page to try and get things started. ( Guyinblack25 talk 20:28, 12 November 2007 (UTC))
(outdent) Most AfDs are unilateral, but the fact is I'm talking to two people who edit the article in question (who can hardly be expected to be entirely impartial on the matter) - I might be a bit defensive myself if the notability of one of "my" articles were questioned (though I'd like to think I wouldn't, as I'm quite keen on the whole notability thing). The fact that Cortana survived was due, judging by the AfD, to a combination of weak arguments by "the prosecution" and apparent vote-counting by the closing admin (who didn't even comment on any of the arguments when closing) - there is no way the article should have survived in the state it was in at that time and this is the point I was originally making. If that article, with those sources, had been about a character in a less popular game, you can bet your mortgage it wouldn't exist right now, but it's from Halo, so obviously it's notable right? Don't get me wrong, Cortana now is well sourced, but this only highlights the inadequacies of Arbiter (Halo)'s sourcing, I mean, just compare the two reference sections. Realistically, if Arbiter were to be AfD'd, there's not a snowball's chance it would snowball, though you seem (just to prove my point) to be implying that it should, because it's Halo and therefore automatically notable. If you can improve the article, that's great, but everything has to prove notability with significant independent coverage whether it's from Halo or Game X, and Arbiter doesn't do that right now. You could write an article about any old game character by citing a bunch of reviews that mention him/her, but game reviews rarely prove notability for anything other than the game itself. Regarding xbox.com and Bungie, they were both (at the time) owned by Microsoft - a massive part of whose console strategy, incidentally, depends on the success of the Halo series. It may be reliable but is certainly not independent, and there's a clear conflict of interest. Miremare 21:27, 13 November 2007 (UTC)
Should we change {{ General VG character}} and the character subboxes to mirror the changes made to Infobox CVG? JACO PLANE • 2007-11-9 15:31
Template:RuneScape Wikia Link is up for deletion, it's used solely in the RuneScape article. Note that Maple Story is using strategy wiki links in the same way - in the article body. I'm no expert on category/template issues so could some project members who are take a look and provide some guidance? TY. Someone another 19:34, 9 November 2007 (UTC)
When is it too much, that it falls under game guide content? Mushroom (Mario) is a big example of excessive detail. The item is indeed important, but I don't see why each and every mushroom should have a section. From the max mushroom item on the page: It is very rare and very expensive, but it is useful for some of the battles, particularly the final battle. Information like that, leans towards game guide in my view. However most of these item articles probably could be deleted because they are game guide content mainly. Category:Video game items and Category:Video game items seem to have many articles that are just being cluttered. RobJ1981 18:49, 12 November 2007 (UTC)
We at gameXplore.com test and analyze video games and have done so since 2003. We write objectively about the contents of the games, and take in-game screenshots from the games that represent the games as they are. We have also published the book series The Book of Games Volume 1 We are the only company in the world that does not write subjective reviews of the games, but deal with the media in a factual way.
Wikipedia has lots of good information on video games, but very often few or no images available to illustrate what the games look like. We would like to offer Wikipedia a module that can be placed into the games posted on wiki that shows 3-5 screenshots from the game.
As for copyright, the images we provide are either taken by ourselves or on the odd occasion redistributed from the press resources available from the publisher of the respective game. This should comply with the copyright rules you have. We would like to watermark the images provided with a wiki logo and our own logo in a discreet place if this is ok with Wikipedia rules.
What’s in it for us? We would like to be accredited the contribution either by being allowed to place a watermark on the images or by getting a "contributed by gameXplore" text near the images. We are also open for alternative suggestions.
We provide images from the following platforms: PC, PS2, PS3, PSP, Xbox 360, Nintendo Wii and Nintendo DS.
I don't know how the wiki community feels about commercial business companies contributing? Any thoughts around this? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Bendik Stang ( talk • contribs) 20:13, 13 November 2007 (UTC)
Thanks Hahnchen. The Module I was talking about was a loose term. Before I suggested any module, I wanted to get some input on what people thought. We can basically deliver a stream of XML to Wiki (The XML in this case would be a reference to one or more images, but could also be cover art and publishing data). We have a php api, that will enable someone at Wiki to implement this on the server. This would then enalbe fully automatic implementation of VG screenshots on Wiki. It would require some programming from the Wiki staff, and a little on our part, but it should be an easy job. Exactly how it should work is open for discussion. We could try to do a match on all the games based on the game title and if a match was found on wiki, we would show images. Alternatively, it could be some synax interface like the various boxes on the wiki pages. There must be someone here that knows more about how this should be implemented. As for watermarks I was thinking that the images should be watermarked with Wiki and our company logo. No watermark on the thumb nail but only on the large image. If this is problematic, then does anyone have a suggestion on how to credit our company for the job? We are talking about 1000+ images taken manually in game, so I think it would be fair to get some form of credit.comment added by Bendik Stang ( talk • contribs) 20:13, 13 November 2007 (UTC)
Thanks for the replies. I have tried to get in contact with the developers, but have not found any way to do so. Thought I'd start here and see if those of you who contribute to video games liked the idea. After all, if you don't like the idea, it is no point contacting the developers. I really think Wiki would benefit from this. (Nevermind the watermarks, it is obviously not acceptable.) It would be a lot easier to get screenshots into the articles this way. It also requires special equipment to take screenshots from the Xbox360,PS2,PS3 and NDS so it is not just sometihing anyone can do. The alternatives is to aqquire images from the publishers and they are a lot more partial than we :). Bendik Stang 21:28, 13 November 2007 (UTC) When doing our job on a game we could reserve e.g. 3 or 5 images for Wiki. This would be the donation from our part. If we cannot make some automatic process to place the images on Wiki, it would be a lot of work to manually upload the images to wiki as well, and that extra job would mean that we would not have time to do this. I think that would be a shame. I shall ask around on MediaZilla, thanks Pagrashtak. Bendik Stang 21:41, 13 November 2007 (UTC)
Do you have any legal references to the statement Melodia? Having worked with this for almost 5 years, I find this a bit hard to believe. If I go into Disneyland and take a picture, that picture belongs to me - eventhough all the objects in the picture is owned and copyrighted Disney. I would have to see a ruling in a US court on this before I would believe it. If there has been no court case on this matter, then it is an open question that no one holds the answer to. Over to the practices in the media and game industry. According to Electronic Arts and Sony Interactive, to mention the two that pops in to mind first, the screenshots available for the press may be used for any articles about the respective games. They may not be used to sell other products. An other aspect of this is that there are normally two types of images availabe from games. The first is the press release screenshots that by all definitions are copyright the publisher, but allowed useage as mentioned above. The second is the screenshots taken by press. E.G. GameSpot, where they would all argue that they own the copyright. To ensure this they watermark the images. Try finding images from gamespot, gamespy, ign, etc without watermarks. Since watermarking is such a big no-no on wiki, and the press release images are often hyped images made to sell the games, the only images left to use on Wiki would be images taken by non-professionals. Non-professionals does not have access to Debug equipment from Sony, Microsoft or Nintendo and so they can't take the screenshots in good quality. ...What I really don't understand is that when all other media, magazines, newspapers, gamesites and portals, use in-game screenshots frequently to illustrate editorial text on games why on earth does the Wiki community follow policies that disallow the use of the very same type of images? This surely is going agains Wiki Policy rule number one - and without any reason I can see. Please enlighten me. Bendik Stang 10:58, 14 November 2007 (UTC)
I think we are saying the same thing Anomie. However I wasn't expecting a legal discussion when proposing to donate work to wiki. What is the current consensus on screenshots used in a wiki article about a game? Is it ok or not? Also, I get the feeling that people here are sceptical or negative to my proposal. If people on the Video Games Wiki Project does not like or want the help offered I see no point in continuing this discussion. If on the other hand people think it would be helpful, then please help me find a way to do this, not reasons not to do it. In short: We do a lot of work testing video games and can with a little extra effort supply screenshots to wiki. That's it. How it is done I personally don't care, but the time consuming process of manually inserting the images requires more time than we can afford to donate. Bendik Stang 13:24, 14 November 2007 (UTC)
Should they be in both the games category, and the other category? Example: many games in Category:GameCube-only games don't have the GameCube games category in their article. I remember a previous discussion about this determined that games should be in both. I've been adding the category to some articles, however a user reverted many of my changes months ago: [ [2]], scroll down a bit to August to see his mass category removal. I didn't even notice this, until I checked the history of an article today, and noticed he did quite a lot. I don't see any new consensus on this issue here, so should I keep re-adding the category? If that's indeed the case, I would like some help (as it seems like there is a lot to do, besides just the GameCube games). In my view, a game exclusive to a console should be listed for both categories: the console and the console-only category. RobJ1981 07:58, 14 November 2007 (UTC)
There is already a bot taking care of this, but it obviously hasn't done a sweep for a while. I'll get on to it. Thanks for bringing it up. Miremare 19:07, 14 November 2007 (UTC)
I would like to request some assistence in critiquing the The Elder Scrolls IV: Oblivion article in the article's talk page. SharkD 10:14, 14 November 2007 (UTC)
Should this be sent to AFD? There is already a D & D list sorted by platform. I don't see how settings are that notable (as this is the only game list I see sorted this way). It appears to be list/fancruft to me. Thoughts? RobJ1981 14:16, 15 November 2007 (UTC)
Valid list, IMHO. User:Krator ( t c) 15:25, 15 November 2007 (UTC)
Done. New name: List of Dungeons & Dragons video games, based on List of Dungeons & Dragons computer and video games by platform. I've boldly redirected that and List of Dungeons & Dragons computer and video games by setting to it. There are a few holes, as I've gone by what info was available in the existing articles, so if anyone can fill in the holes that'd be great. Miremare 20:25, 15 November 2007 (UTC) Also there is some overlapping between the "Gold Box" and "Silver Box" series (apparently based on the appearance of the game boxes and/or game engine) and series based on the actual contents of the games. The older article wasn't very consistent about this, so that's something to be fixed. Miremare 20:30, 15 November 2007 (UTC)
I just wanted to point you guys here. We have something of a disagreement on the appearance of the article. I and another user think it looks fine, but a user has raised the issue that it looks too much like a game guide. J-ſtan Talk Contribs 15:52, 15 November 2007 (UTC)
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I've been trying to explain to people why a page on Ike from Fire Emblem shouldn't be created. The rationale people seem to be creating is for the sake of practicality/convenience as they feel that there should be a page since information on Ike is on two separate lists: List of characters in Fire Emblem: Path of Radiance and List of characters in Fire Emblem: Radiant Dawn. I've criticised their reasoning as illegitimate since they are paying no attention to WP:N. The main pusher, User: Wikada, is getting emotional and throwing around various accusations. I'd just like it if anybody would provide an extra opinion since this user doesn't seem to pay attention to what I'm saying. Thanks. Ashnard Talk Contribs 16:02, 15 November 2007 (UTC)
I have taken to using eStarland to establish the worth of certain games in the secondary market. For an example of my use, see Bust a Groove. My rationale for using the site is that they have consistant prices for used games (which is a major problem when trying to use sites like eBay as a guide) and that their prices are quite conservative. I know of no better alternative to cite game worth, but I figured I ought to ask the project before using this system too heavily. Of course, this wouldn't need to be used on very many articles, just those in which the value of the game has either stayed the same or risen above its original MSRP. So, is it acceptable?-- SeizureDog 16:17, 15 November 2007 (UTC)
This article is currently at GAR ( WP:GAR#Call of Duty 2) - the main reason was a lack of broad coverage. I was wondering if anyone could take a quick look see and give some suggestions. Cheers, Dihydrogen Monoxide 04:08, 16 November 2007 (UTC)
How useful are these series articles (such as Halo series, Total War series, Half-Life series) in practice? Is it a good idea to have one if the series is deemed notable enough with sufficient real-world impact, reception, etc on the series? (as Halo series tries to do). I'm mainly thinking in terms of the StarCraft series here, whether I may be able to move the mess that is StarCraft universe to StarCraft series and rehaul it to something akin to Halo series when I'm done with my current SC commitments. I was simply going to put StarCraft universe up for AfD once I'd made its content completely redundant through my redos of other articles until I noticed the improved styling used in Halo series.
Consider this a move for creating a debate on the point, I'd like some discussion on the pros and cons of such series articles. -- Sabre 11:35, 16 November 2007 (UTC)
I think it really depends whether a game series is large enough to warrant a comprehensive article about it, the best example of this point being the Mario series (which has countless games). If it has only two or three games then it seems a little unnecessary unless it branches into other aspects such as film, comic/manga and television and anime ect. .:Alex:. 20:08, 17 November 2007 (UTC)
I'd highly recommend not using the word "universe" as that generally implies you're going to be talking about the in-universe elements; "franchise" is probably a better word as it suggests cross-medium marketing and real-world sales. -- MASEM 20:33, 17 November 2007 (UTC)
Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/GDI technology of Command & Conquer has been relisted. If you participated in any of the below, you might want to give it a look.
I've had this happen twice to three articles I've edited this year, where people want to rush in and state what overall ranking a very recent game has gotten at game rankings or metacritic. (Today's notable example being Super Mario Galaxy). I completely understand that after an infinite amount of time, the ranking of a game at either site is a completely unbiased, factual statement of how good the game was received, and so I don't argue these shouldn't be used. However, when a game has just come out and currently those sites may have a smaller number of reviews than normal for a similar game, it seems too much jumping the gun to state its ranking at GR/MC. Extreme example would be a game that has one absolutely perfect review but that's it at either site, placing it as #1, but ends up getting 5/10's from all other sources.
My feeling is that one either waits about 2 weeks from release (barring any wide time frame between NA and PAL releases - if the PAL version is significantly late, then one only needs to wait on the US side updating when the PAL reviews are out, but if the PAL version is out within a week or two, wait for PAL reviews to accumulate as well) or until the game receives a comparable number of reviews for other games on the same system. So for Galaxy, Wii games at GR get around 50 reviews, Galaxy has 30 presently - by these guidelines, including the ranking of the game is premature. -- MASEM 13:57, 17 November 2007 (UTC)
Including GR and MC rankings should not be done, because video game ratings given in reviews are not measured according to relative standards, but absolute standards. Though this follows from common sense, it can be illustrated by looking at the rating of 10/10. A perfect game will have that rating, not the best game. Use notable awards instead if you must - they compare different games. User:Krator ( t c) 16:25, 17 November 2007 (UTC)
I believe this category is becoming much too stuffed. It's basically impossible to find what you desire in here. I propose a system (not unlike that for the game covers) of subcategories, once for each system. A few have already been created after all. N. Harmonik ( talk) 21:24, 17 November 2007 (UTC)
Well, I've been trying to locate some out of universe information for the characters and have come up empty. I think all the pages under Category:Xenosaga characters, e.g. KOS-MOS, should be merged into their appropriate lists. I would definately need some help though, since I've never merged anything before. Can someone please help or supply an opinion? Zemalia ( talk) 06:49, 18 November 2007 (UTC)
Basically, I'm thinking about attempting a Featured with this, but the article's going nowhere unless this information can be found. Does anybody know of any sources detailing some development info? Thanks. Ashnard Talk Contribs 18:53, 18 November 2007 (UTC)
Turd the Borg is adding excessive, and often unneeded cleanup tags to several VG featured articles. I've reverted a few and left him a note that it isn't helpful. He also seems to be removing content when editors revert his tags. Some other admins might want to keep an eye on this. Here's an example of an article he overloaded with cleanup and fact tags. Pagra shtak 23:31, 18 November 2007 (UTC)
He definitely needs to be kept an eye on. I've reverted a few of his edits, but he's redirected Dirge of Cerberus Lost Episode: Final Fantasy_VII and Last Order: Final Fantasy VII with seemingly no discussion. - hahnch e n 18:46, 19 November 2007 (UTC)
I am new to this project, and I see that you have no COTW [I may be wrong]. Why not start a COTW? Lex94 Talk Contributions Guest Book 19:05, 19 November 2007 (UTC)
The regular editors insist on having a "newest releases" section. It's both clutter and turning the article into a news release. I've reverted it off, but they claim the consensus is there (which they've used as an excuse in the past). This is simply a matter of the regulars claiming ownership in my view. What does everyone else think? RobJ1981 ( talk) 19:24, 19 November 2007 (UTC)
For example Wikipedia:WikiProject Video games/ ( Game name here )
It sounds reasonable to me what do you think?
Make a concensus.
-- Storkian aka iSoroush Talk 21:53, 19 November 2007 (UTC)
No. User:Krator ( t c) 22:10, 19 November 2007 (UTC)
I was looking through the articles in this category, and it seems to me that many of these articles are really only Start-class. Perhaps we should reassess a lot of these. JACO PLANE • 2007-11-20 17:42
Xbox Live Arcade games are spread out on several articles, and one list would probably be the best route to go. See Xbox Live Arcade#Xbox Live Arcade games for the Xbox 360, List of Xbox Live Arcade games by date and Upcoming games for Xbox Live Arcade for the mess. The Virtual Console (another gaming download service) has one list for it's games per region. I don't know a lot about Xbox Live Arcade, but if the games are for all regions then one list is all that is needed. If not, various region lists (similar to how Virtual Console lists are setup) should be the way to go. RobJ1981 ( talk) 07:19, 21 November 2007 (UTC)
Has anyone noticed Category:Warhammer 40,000? It's filled with many articles (and subcategories) that need to be deleted or merged. For some reason, many of the articles have an unneccesary dab suffix, like Weapons and equipment of the Tau Empire (Warhammer 40,000). (As opposed to what other Weapons and equipment of the Tau Empire?) I'll help tackle it after the Warcraft deletions start dying down, but if someone wants to start in on PROD/AFD now, feel free. Please note that some articles (like the W&E of Tau up there) have had PRODs removed already. Pagra shtak 17:02, 21 November 2007 (UTC)
Please just do some WP:BOLD merges before going for AFD. User:Krator ( t c) 19:14, 21 November 2007 (UTC)
Warhammer 40K is primarily a tabletop gaming thing with only a few related video games, so I've left a note about this at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Board and table games#Warhammer articles. Miremare 19:45, 21 November 2007 (UTC)
These are largely outside the scope of WP:VG, it's going to be hard to source things in that space unless you have copies of White Dwarf (magazine) or similar resources. The way we're applying WP:FICT is pretty inconsistent, we're deleting a lot of in-universe information, and yet Characters in Castlevania: Sorrow series is on FAC, and Characters of Final Fantasy VIII is a featured article. - hahnch e n 23:05, 21 November 2007 (UTC)
The 40k Wikiproject has already been discussing this, and we currently have some sections discussing this, and a sub page to deal with transwiking. As most of the content is outside of WikiProject Video games, and to keep the discussion centralized, I'd ask that it be discussed on the above linked pages. This will also make sure that those most interested in the material are aware of what's being decided. Thanks. -- Falcorian (talk) 16:33, 24 November 2007 (UTC)
When does it leans towards game guide content (and/or listcruft, clutter)? Here's a recent example: Resident Evil: The Umbrella Chronicles#Gameplay. I'm sure there is more though. In general, shouldn't listing levels just be avoided? RobJ1981 ( talk) 20:52, 21 November 2007 (UTC)
A documentary about how the video game industry came to be. Could be used as an additional source for multiple articles. Tv-schedules « ₣ullMetal ₣alcon » 01:52, 22 November 2007 (UTC)
Can you help me tell if Crysis 2 violates policy. I don't really see how it violates CRYSTAL or NOTABILITY. Thanks! Marlith T/ C 06:23, 22 November 2007 (UTC)
There is no deadline. According to the deletion rationale there was a single source, not quite sure what a chatlog is but it sounds like it could be a message board post or something equally unreliable as a source. Notability is something that new articles should aim to pass from the get-go, rather than something to trip them up after contributors have spent time and energy. WP is a tertiary source and without reliable secondary sources there is no article. Someone another ( talk) 12:03, 22 November 2007 (UTC)
Hi, I have put up a request to rename Category:Descent: FreeSpace to Category:FreeSpace series for the reasons listed at the Categories for discussion page here. However it seems none of the admin or frequent traffic there are interested in this request, so I am putting a heads up over here since the main VG page has only a section dealing with deletion requests. Jappalang ( talk) 01:46, 23 November 2007 (UTC)
If you take a look in this category, you will see yet another host of stubby in-universe articles. We should look at this one too. Someone nominated ten of them for deletion, and that's a good start, but there is still a lot to do. Judgesurreal777 ( talk) 02:20, 23 November 2007 (UTC)
I'm an avid game player. I play Star Wars Galaxies and Second Life. I nominate those two for a side project that I can start on. The Second Life article is extremly slanted in its opinion and Star Wars Galaxies and be expanded. CrazySain ( talk) 02:23, 23 November 2007 (UTC)
I'm encountering some odd opposition on this FAC. I would appreciate any commentary or criticism regarding certain novel presumptions regarding "FA notability"; scope of topic and substance of topic have no bearing on the FA-ability, so long as reliable sources covering the subject in all its major details are there, correct? I am, as ever, confused: individuals demanding something beyond the possible on the basis of personal laws instead of policy always frustrate me. Please, any commentary would be welcome. Geuiwogbil ( Talk) 16:29, 23 November 2007 (UTC)
Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of minor characters in Xenosaga is good for a laugh. I'd wager this happened because it didn't get added to WP:VG/D until five days were already almost up. I really think we need a video game only category for AfDs - considering the sheer number of them, the fact that they get spread around the "media and music", "games or sports", "science and technology", and "fiction and the arts" categories doesn't make things easy, and they only get added to the WP:CVG deletion section when someone notices them, or if the nom does it themselves. Miremare 16:47, 23 November 2007 (UTC)
An editor has called to question the use of Joystiq on the Frank West (Dead Rising) page. This source has been used on featured articles as has similar "blogs" such as Kotaku. Could I please get some assistance with explaining to him how Joystiq and such are considered experts in the field of gaming and that they do have editorial processes and aren't simple blogs such as a blogspot or livejournal? Thanks. I'm getting too hot to deal with this.... Kyaa the Catlord ( talk) 23:50, 23 November 2007 (UTC)
Halo 3 is up for FAC again, seeing as no meaningful comments came up last time... show up! David Fuchs ( talk) 00:40, 24 November 2007 (UTC)
I've been running into some editors replacing {{ VG Navigation groups}} with {{ Navbox}}. Is there a reason we aren't using Navbox to begin with? They seem practically the same, except for VG Navigation groups isn't as wide, doesn't have the "hide" ability, the "vde" displays on the right (and too low), and perhaps a few syntax particulars. Am I missing something important here? Pagra shtak 17:19, 24 November 2007 (UTC)
I'm currently trying to add sources to Super Smash Bros Melee. There's a claim that Roy and Marth were supposed to be exclusive to Japan, but gained popularity during localisation so were included in the Western version. Could someone read this [3] and [4] to see if it's true. I've tried translating it by Google, but I can't seem to decipher the poor translation. Thanks. Ashnard Talk Contribs 19:57, 24 November 2007 (UTC)
キャラクターは任天堂だけのものじゃないし、海外では発売されていないタイトルだし。
だけれど、登場を強く望むファンのためにムリをしました。
#ムリをするにはインテリジェントシステムズ他、多方面のご協力が必要だったわけですが・・・
海外版では外す覚悟でマルスを作っていたのですが、キャラを立てた結果、海外のかたにも絶賛され、結果日本と全く同じ仕様で搭載されています。
(ゆえにマルスは日本語のままです)
Adverts for video games often limit their use of actual in-game footage, and it seems that Wikipedia articles do this as well. See Wikipedia:Featured article candidates/Characters in Castlevania: Sorrow series and Wikipedia:Featured article candidates/Characters of Kingdom Hearts. Using promotional art exclusively makes articles misleading and advert-like. Unlike comics or film characters, video game characters often differ markedly from their promotional artwork, and we should not shrink from depicting this.-- Nydas (Talk) 09:53, 26 November 2007 (UTC)
A few times I've tried to remove some unhelpful categories from character pages, but I always end up reverted by fans or anons. For example, Wario is currently in the following categories:
Just because a character has appeared in a golfing video game doesn't mean he's a fictional golfer. Bagger Vance of The Legend of Bagger Vance is a fictional golfer, as is the title character of Happy Gilmore—these characters are defined by golfing. Wario is not. Does everyone agree that these categories are not helpful and should be removed from Wario and related characters? Pagra shtak 19:45, 26 November 2007 (UTC)
Shouldn't {{ Future video game}} be redirected to {{ Future game}}? Also, for a game just released like Mario & Sonic at the Olympic Games, should the template use the "type" parameter since it is not yet released on the DS? Maybe there should be an explanation on that... « ₣ullMetal ₣alcon » 03:34, 27 November 2007 (UTC)
This article has been labeled as a stub and I would like it to be re-evaluated because it has been expanded since it was given the stub label. I would appreciate any improvements that you make to it. Thank you. Jecowa ( talk) 00:53, 28 November 2007 (UTC)
I'm in discussion with the guy who added the details regarding the recently released trailer for Deus Ex 3. I don't consider the information encyclopedic, but the author of the section disagrees (See the discussion here). Thoughts? Una Laguna Talk 22:15, 28 November 2007 (UTC)
Recently, there's been a trend towards removing or drastically cutting down on the usage of images in articles on characters. While the issue is currently video game characters, it could imply that most other fair use images could possibly be on the chopping block as well, such as screenshots and the like. I've opened a discussion about this at Wikipedia_talk:Non-free content#Character images and lists. This has fairly important repercussions; if the recent trend is affirmed, then many of the images in current character articles need to be deleted. SnowFire ( talk) 19:25, 29 November 2007 (UTC)
After doing a little research: I found out that Go! Go! Minon and Mr. D Goes to Town are the same game. Which game title should it be under? Go Go is the original name for the Japan release, while Mr. D is for the North America release (which hasn't been released yet). RobJ1981 ( talk) 23:39, 29 November 2007 (UTC)
Theres currently an edit war on Fox McCloud, people are redirecting/merging it and reverting it back and fourth to the point where it's full-protected (Ends 01:11 December 7, 2007). The discussion is on Talk:List of characters in the Star Fox series, so I was hoping you guys would help them come to a consensus. Dengarde ► Complaints 01:20, 30 November 2007 (UTC)
Does anyone like sonic? Evadog ( talk) 20:34, 26 April 2008 (UTC)Evadog
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Wikipedia:WikiProject Mortal Kombat is one very good example. It's very inactive, and should just be merged into this project. Wikipedia:WikiProject Video games/Tycoon games, is this a taskforce currently, or just an inactive project? The page name is similar to the other taskforces, but it's still listed as project. Is there a taskforce box made for this yet? I looked on the project page (taskforce page, or whatever), and didn't see anything. Also: Wikipedia:WikiProject The Legend of Zelda series seems to be inactive or dead as well, with only a few posts in the recent months. I would imagine there is more inactive projects that should be merged and/or redirected to this one. If enough interest is around: change relevant projects into taskforces when needed. While we are doing this, taskforces should be checked to see if they are active as well. I suppose it's possible, activity could pick up in them sometime, but it doesn't seem likely. Broad scope projects usually die down and just sit inactive for long periods of time. This isn't a space issue, it's just a matter of some project cleanup. Thoughts? RobJ1981 23:23, 29 October 2007 (UTC)
I feel like I'm treading through unsteady water. I just failed Silent Hill 4 and think that Silent Hill 2 needs to go through GAR. Meanwhile, Flash Focus is stewing around becauase I can't find any dev information. In order to be "broad in its coverage," ( 3a) a develompent section is ncessary, right? Can someone start picking through WP:VG/GA and delist or submit to WP:GAR the ones that do not have dev sections? From first sight, it looks like most of the Fire Emblem articles do not pass this... hbdragon88 23:39, 29 October 2007 (UTC)
Information on development and copies sold can be difficult to come by. I'd argue that a development section would be necessary in order for an article to hit FA status, but not necessarily for GA status. GA just means the article is in good shape, but FAs are those articles we want to promote for all the world to see. In that case, I'd expect there to be a lot of information about the subject, which means that it needs to meet a higher notability bar than lower-status articles. Same with sales and critical-reception information - those items are important in a Featured Article. — KieferSkunk ( talk) — 00:25, 30 October 2007 (UTC)
Well, the reviewer for Big Rigs noted that 3a "needs improvement" because I couldn't answer why Stellar Stone decided to make such a poor game. Since then, and since nobody objected when I stated that one of the reasons Super Princess Peach was not GA-worthy during its GAR (one person even agreed), I've been under the impression that no development section != GA quality.
Ashnard was in strong disagreement when I failed Marth (Fire Emblem), but this precedent seems more firmly established, with Princess Peach, Aeris, and that Sepy guy from FFVII all demoted. Black Marsh, a fictional element in a game, was too demoted due to a lack of real-world information. hbdragon88 01:37, 30 October 2007 (UTC)
Ashnard, The statment about Fire Embelm wasnot intended to be an exhuastive list of GAs without development sections; I was just saying, if the CVG's guidelines say it so, then we should make sure all WP:VG/GA follow the same pattern. It just seems very unprofessional to have two sets of standards. It seems that it is split on whether they ought to be absolutley required or not. hbdragon88 21:48, 31 October 2007 (UTC)
The article is up for FA here, and so far so good but I need some fresh, good editing eyes to help copyedit the text as per suggested by the most recent comment. Thanks. -- MASEM 23:44, 29 October 2007 (UTC)
Hi. there is a game I used to play in school about 15 years ago and I cant remember the name of it. It had graphics, but you had to type in commands (get the book, move left, etc.). All I remember from it is that it began in a jail cell and you had to break out of it. The cell had a bed, a shelf with books, and a window that you escaped out of. There was also a gulch at one point where you had to run to jump over. Does anyone remember this game? Thanks! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 151.203.245.146 ( talk) 03:31, 30 October 2007 (UTC)
Pardon me if the question's been asked before, but I've noticed that none of the first person shooter articles around have actual comprehensive detail of the maps in that game – often it's just a short summary of the most popular maps, if any at all.
I then proceeded to try and create List of Battlefield 2 maps, only to discover it had been deleted almost a year ago.
Is there a reason for this?
Thanks. Aitsukai 13:49, 30 October 2007 (UTC)
A few people say a list of playable characters should be on the article, and others say it shouldn't. See that talk page for the discussion. RobJ1981 15:59, 31 October 2007 (UTC)
MOHA is being reviewed for GA. I thought it was good enough for nomination and nominated it ages ago. It has just been reviewed and there is info at the talk page. I addressed all the minor stuff, but I'm not really dedicated enough to fix the other stuff. The article needs some people to address the GA issues. Good luck! -- Simpsons fan 66 04:07, 1 November 2007 (UTC)
I wanted to give the heads up, as the AFD result is merge. The debate closed a few weeks ago. The talk page has activity, but I'm not so sure how much merging (if any) has happened. The note on the top says the list can be re-nominated if the merger isn't done promptly. RobJ1981 13:37, 1 November 2007 (UTC)
How about a Weekly Collaboration on a single video game article? Would help make select articles better faster. I would select the more prominent and important/influencing games such as the GTA series or Halo, etc. -- Cra sh U nderride 17:44, 1 November 2007 (UTC)
GCOTW died out, eventually. One of the reasons for that, I guess (not know) is that many of the editors at WP:VG are primarily interested in one topic within video gaming, and not just any random article. User:Krator ( t c) 19:40, 1 November 2007 (UTC)
I said before that I typically only edited in my sphere of influence; that's still true to an extent, but I've been randomizing my articles more (I've nver played Frogger: Helmet Chaso, Flash Focus, or Blender Bros. before, for instance, and Project Titan was also somewhat random). However, I still wouldn't join GCOTW. Part of why I like it is because of its randomness. hbdragon88 01:54, 2 November 2007 (UTC)
There's two ways we can approach GCOTW:
The first option gives more routes for inclusion by any interested VG editor but feels just a bit like a large scale peer review, but I think that's how you keep such interest alive. Maybe the second type is a different group collaboration and not so much on a weekly scale but on a month so that we don't let key VG articles linger without improvements. -- MASEM 05:04, 2 November 2007 (UTC)
Just chipping in to say that I'll help out when it's up and running again. I'd like Masem's option A, with an option B every once in a while as a change of scenery. - X201 12:54, 2 November 2007 (UTC)
I think Maesem's idea is really nice. Peer review seems kind of dead, too; Alessa Gillespie went up for VG Review on 3 August, failed GA on 26 August...and finally got its first comment on 4 October. Two months is a lot of wikitime. Maybe GCOTW is something we need (stares at the stagnant Flash Focus). hbdragon88 18:48, 3 November 2007 (UTC)
Given that people seem to be keen on my ideas, let me expand more.
Again, we're not stopping anyone inspired to go off and edit these themselves, but we want to make all of the VG articles top notch quality and work with those knowledgeable on the specific game or game aspect to make these high quality articles. We also want to make this more than just a glorified peer review - if one finds bad grammar, they shouldn't just mention it but go in and fix it, for example. Also, I recommend that unless we know we can establish notability we should "Characters in" or other such articles about specific game universes unless there is really strong just-cause. -- MASEM 05:24, 4 November 2007 (UTC)
OK, don't keelhaul me here, but can I ask if the current system for logging deletions is actually worth it? The list never represents the real volume of VG related deletions, and I don't add them myself since it seems like such a faff on.
Would it actually harm the project if we just had an area to throw internal links to VG related AFDs/Prods/CFDs etc and removed them once they were done? That'd mean moving away from cataloging but towards actually letting project members know, at a glance, what's going on.
As with the GCOTW discussion above, the project's strength (to me) and priorities lie with our own individual tastes in games but with a common interest in discussing problems as they arise and dealing with things as they pop up. Being able to let other project members know where the deletion discussions are without jumping through hoops seems like a win-win. Someone another 23:24, 1 November 2007 (UTC)
FYI: Article has been nommed for deletion here: Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Tonka Rescue Patrol#Tonka Rescue Patrol if anyone's keen on establishing notability. -- Rodhullandemu ( talk - contribs) 00:57, 2 November 2007 (UTC)
There is some unnessacary harsh attitude going on there about adding the category "Nintendo DS games". I've created a topic on the talk page to discuss, but I would really apprecitate a third party or two to help sort out this matter. If you want to know what's been happening, check the history of the article, the discussion has been going on there between two editors (which was really not the place for it). I appreciate any and all help. Zemalia 15:45, 2 November 2007 (UTC)
I came across Category:Genre hybrid games the other day, and I was wondering if it's too broad of a category? Many RPGs are action and RPG, Mario sports games blend sports and action, Super Paper Mario has RPG and platform aspects and so on. RobJ1981 23:42, 3 November 2007 (UTC)
I've probably helped quite a few people but also frustrated quite a few people with my attitude, and for that I am sorry. I hope that you all continue editing Wikipedia and enjoy doing so, and keep up the good work. - A Link to the Past (talk) 05:01, 4 November 2007 (UTC)
I previewed Ratchet & Clank: Up Your Arsenal and made a few edits. I would like if another member or two also previewed the article to make sure all is in order there. Aquzenn 01:53, 5 November 2007 (UTC)
Here's yet another article hanging on the edge because of wikilawyering. I'm sure most of you know that the Pokemon are currently being merged to lists (though the process is sort of dead for some reason). Bulbasaur is being held up due to essentially one user refusing to accept that the article is not up to standards. It fails WP:FICT, and it's only assertion of popularity is shared by eleven other Pokemon, so there isn't even a possibility for improvement. There are currently some sources that pretend to assert notability, but they fall quite short. Anyways, we just need a quick number consensus, so if a few people could comment here, that would be appreciated. TTN 20:35, 5 November 2007 (UTC)
{{ Scores VG}} – old discussion
I've archived the old discussion, as it was mostly hammering out the template particulars, but I'd like to restart the discussion on this template in general. Pagra shtak 15:54, 6 November 2007 (UTC)
Addition: Outside of testing this template in one or two articles, please do not use this in the article namespace until we have reached a decision on its use or finalized the template. Pagra shtak 17:50, 6 November 2007 (UTC)
Augh, please be to not. There's no reason to put a bunch of arbitrary numbers in a big ugly table. We can summarize the reviews in prose in the article body itself quite effectively. - A Man In Bl♟ck ( conspire | past ops) 17:43, 6 November 2007 (UTC)
The colors need to be toned down. We should have a one-color maximum, not counting shades of grey. Personally, I prefer all grey. Pagra shtak 19:35, 6 November 2007 (UTC)
User:Thumperward/infobox CVG – old discussion
I'm restarting the discussion on changes to {{ Infobox CVG}}. The old discussion ended with the feeling that the infobox code could be updated, but only for technical matters. Tomwhite56 raised concerns about the width of the template. Please copy over any relevant comments or examples if needed. Pagra shtak 17:47, 6 November 2007 (UTC)
Are we all agreed about adopting the new code? If so change the code, keep the present colours/layout and we can argue about them separately. - X201 09:22, 8 November 2007 (UTC)
I was looking over the film infobox and would like to propose some minor changes to some wording and a new column. I personally dislike the way that the current way of simply using singular style on wording on developer, publisher and particularly designer, as there can and in many cases often is more than one. However, there seems to be some opposition to simply sticking (s) on the end. So, I'd propose changing the wording to "developed by", "published by" and "designed by", thereby happily accomodating both singular and plural forms without implying either only one or many. In addition, I'd also like to see a music composition column, as music is becoming increasingly important to the games and the career progression of the composers. A sandbox of the changes is here, but I'll warn you now that my ability to edit these things isn't brilliant and so the music column may not be properly implemented, so can someone who knows what they are doing look at it.
The article Fiolina Germi has been nominated for deletion ( here) on grounds of non-notability, but looking at the article, it seems to be one of many, many such articles on characters from this series. Here's the relevant template:
I can't bring myself to look at every one of these, but having viewed a selection, I'd be surprised if any of them meet notability requirements. There seems little point just nominating (or indeed deleting) one of them and leaving the rest, so what's to be done? Someone on the AfD discussion suggests withdrawing and taking it to the King of Fighters talk page, but unless a merge is what's intended (and would that solve anything?) there seems little point. A massive all-encompasing AfD perhaps, though those don't tend to go down too well... Any ideas? Miremare 19:27, 6 November 2007 (UTC)
We shouldn't give undue consideration to the fact that some of these are GA's - remember that there were Pokemon FA's that no longer exist because they didn't meet notability requirements. Angel (The King of Fighters) and May Lee (The King of Fighters) may be GA's but still aren't sourced well enough prove notability. Miremare 15:21, 9 November 2007 (UTC)
Just so anyone who may be interested is made aware, I have just tagged a myriad of Xenosaga articles for WP:OR WP:SYNTH and various WP:MOS issues such as in-universe writing and gameguide style.-- Oni Ookami Alfador Talk| @ 00:36, 7 November 2007 (UTC)
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I recently put StarCraft: Brood War through assessment just to see what needs doing in order to get it to good article status. However, one issue put forward by the assessor is cutting back the plot details some more. I'd like someone - preferably without substantive experience of StarCraft and thereby unbiased - to go through the plot section of StarCraft: Brood War#Plot and try to get each episode section down to a couple of sentences in a similar style to StarCraft#Plot. Another editor and I cut the plot back somewhat substantively before putting the article into assessment and although I know it can be cut down further still to meet requirements, I can't see what to cut down. -- Sabre 15:33, 8 November 2007 (UTC)
There definitely are plenty of character articles that do not need to exist (see the above King of Fighters section for just one example). Is anyone here interested in creating a sub-page or something here, so we can list something like Category:Nintendo characters, and go through it to see which characters need articles? Or we can try some other method if someone can think of one. I just don't want to have to come here every single time I run into a consensus wikilawyer. TTN 17:38, 8 November 2007 (UTC)
Just to clarify, TTN, you're suggesting a page where people may nominate a list or category of articles, which can then be reviewed by other editors to judge whether each should remain on WP or not? If so, I agree it could be a useful pre-AfD process, especually for large numbers of related articles - however we don't need to restrict it to characters; there are other categories, like Category:Video game weapons, that would benefit equally well, and even individual articles could be submitted as an easy way of judging consensus without the bother of going down the "official" route unecessarily. Miremare 19:31, 8 November 2007 (UTC)
You'd have my support for a "gamecruft cleanup squad" task force. User:Krator ( t c) 21:39, 8 November 2007 (UTC)
I would argue that such a task force also look at other fictional aspects of VGs besides characters, setting being the next obvious one, but I'm sure there's others. Characters are easiest since merging can be done easily, but I think a general look at any article that goes into details beyond the video game needs to be examined along the same lines. -- MASEM 01:57, 9 November 2007 (UTC)
I started a test page in my sandbox of what a department/task force page could be like. I'll be making some tweaks here and there to get the point across better. I based it on the Video game assessment department. Right now it's barebones, so feedback would be appreciated. Once it looks close enough, we can create the actual page and edit it there. ( Guyinblack25 talk 16:35, 9 November 2007 (UTC))
A point about characters: Why is (to take the above example) a character like Arbiter (Halo) notable? It's a character in a massive series, but there are no independent sources cited other than reviews of the game, which don't provide significant coverage of the character itself. We don't decide what characters are notable on the basis of what games they've been in, and "this is a notable character so there must be sources" is a fallacy - the sources come first and provide the notability, not the other way around. As the article stands, it fails WP:N / WP:FICT. Miremare 17:23, 9 November 2007 (UTC)
The term "real world notability" is thrown around too often, yet nobody seems to agree on what satisfies this. The process of which fictional characters are deemed notable is so random and opinionated it makes me sick. I don't think any culling of articles should be done until we are very clear on what satisfies criteria. What kind sources are we wanting here? I want specific examples.-- SeizureDog 02:13, 10 November 2007 (UTC)
The page has been started at Wikipedia:WikiProject Video games/Cleanup and I've left some comments on the talk page to try and get things started. ( Guyinblack25 talk 20:28, 12 November 2007 (UTC))
(outdent) Most AfDs are unilateral, but the fact is I'm talking to two people who edit the article in question (who can hardly be expected to be entirely impartial on the matter) - I might be a bit defensive myself if the notability of one of "my" articles were questioned (though I'd like to think I wouldn't, as I'm quite keen on the whole notability thing). The fact that Cortana survived was due, judging by the AfD, to a combination of weak arguments by "the prosecution" and apparent vote-counting by the closing admin (who didn't even comment on any of the arguments when closing) - there is no way the article should have survived in the state it was in at that time and this is the point I was originally making. If that article, with those sources, had been about a character in a less popular game, you can bet your mortgage it wouldn't exist right now, but it's from Halo, so obviously it's notable right? Don't get me wrong, Cortana now is well sourced, but this only highlights the inadequacies of Arbiter (Halo)'s sourcing, I mean, just compare the two reference sections. Realistically, if Arbiter were to be AfD'd, there's not a snowball's chance it would snowball, though you seem (just to prove my point) to be implying that it should, because it's Halo and therefore automatically notable. If you can improve the article, that's great, but everything has to prove notability with significant independent coverage whether it's from Halo or Game X, and Arbiter doesn't do that right now. You could write an article about any old game character by citing a bunch of reviews that mention him/her, but game reviews rarely prove notability for anything other than the game itself. Regarding xbox.com and Bungie, they were both (at the time) owned by Microsoft - a massive part of whose console strategy, incidentally, depends on the success of the Halo series. It may be reliable but is certainly not independent, and there's a clear conflict of interest. Miremare 21:27, 13 November 2007 (UTC)
Should we change {{ General VG character}} and the character subboxes to mirror the changes made to Infobox CVG? JACO PLANE • 2007-11-9 15:31
Template:RuneScape Wikia Link is up for deletion, it's used solely in the RuneScape article. Note that Maple Story is using strategy wiki links in the same way - in the article body. I'm no expert on category/template issues so could some project members who are take a look and provide some guidance? TY. Someone another 19:34, 9 November 2007 (UTC)
When is it too much, that it falls under game guide content? Mushroom (Mario) is a big example of excessive detail. The item is indeed important, but I don't see why each and every mushroom should have a section. From the max mushroom item on the page: It is very rare and very expensive, but it is useful for some of the battles, particularly the final battle. Information like that, leans towards game guide in my view. However most of these item articles probably could be deleted because they are game guide content mainly. Category:Video game items and Category:Video game items seem to have many articles that are just being cluttered. RobJ1981 18:49, 12 November 2007 (UTC)
We at gameXplore.com test and analyze video games and have done so since 2003. We write objectively about the contents of the games, and take in-game screenshots from the games that represent the games as they are. We have also published the book series The Book of Games Volume 1 We are the only company in the world that does not write subjective reviews of the games, but deal with the media in a factual way.
Wikipedia has lots of good information on video games, but very often few or no images available to illustrate what the games look like. We would like to offer Wikipedia a module that can be placed into the games posted on wiki that shows 3-5 screenshots from the game.
As for copyright, the images we provide are either taken by ourselves or on the odd occasion redistributed from the press resources available from the publisher of the respective game. This should comply with the copyright rules you have. We would like to watermark the images provided with a wiki logo and our own logo in a discreet place if this is ok with Wikipedia rules.
What’s in it for us? We would like to be accredited the contribution either by being allowed to place a watermark on the images or by getting a "contributed by gameXplore" text near the images. We are also open for alternative suggestions.
We provide images from the following platforms: PC, PS2, PS3, PSP, Xbox 360, Nintendo Wii and Nintendo DS.
I don't know how the wiki community feels about commercial business companies contributing? Any thoughts around this? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Bendik Stang ( talk • contribs) 20:13, 13 November 2007 (UTC)
Thanks Hahnchen. The Module I was talking about was a loose term. Before I suggested any module, I wanted to get some input on what people thought. We can basically deliver a stream of XML to Wiki (The XML in this case would be a reference to one or more images, but could also be cover art and publishing data). We have a php api, that will enable someone at Wiki to implement this on the server. This would then enalbe fully automatic implementation of VG screenshots on Wiki. It would require some programming from the Wiki staff, and a little on our part, but it should be an easy job. Exactly how it should work is open for discussion. We could try to do a match on all the games based on the game title and if a match was found on wiki, we would show images. Alternatively, it could be some synax interface like the various boxes on the wiki pages. There must be someone here that knows more about how this should be implemented. As for watermarks I was thinking that the images should be watermarked with Wiki and our company logo. No watermark on the thumb nail but only on the large image. If this is problematic, then does anyone have a suggestion on how to credit our company for the job? We are talking about 1000+ images taken manually in game, so I think it would be fair to get some form of credit.comment added by Bendik Stang ( talk • contribs) 20:13, 13 November 2007 (UTC)
Thanks for the replies. I have tried to get in contact with the developers, but have not found any way to do so. Thought I'd start here and see if those of you who contribute to video games liked the idea. After all, if you don't like the idea, it is no point contacting the developers. I really think Wiki would benefit from this. (Nevermind the watermarks, it is obviously not acceptable.) It would be a lot easier to get screenshots into the articles this way. It also requires special equipment to take screenshots from the Xbox360,PS2,PS3 and NDS so it is not just sometihing anyone can do. The alternatives is to aqquire images from the publishers and they are a lot more partial than we :). Bendik Stang 21:28, 13 November 2007 (UTC) When doing our job on a game we could reserve e.g. 3 or 5 images for Wiki. This would be the donation from our part. If we cannot make some automatic process to place the images on Wiki, it would be a lot of work to manually upload the images to wiki as well, and that extra job would mean that we would not have time to do this. I think that would be a shame. I shall ask around on MediaZilla, thanks Pagrashtak. Bendik Stang 21:41, 13 November 2007 (UTC)
Do you have any legal references to the statement Melodia? Having worked with this for almost 5 years, I find this a bit hard to believe. If I go into Disneyland and take a picture, that picture belongs to me - eventhough all the objects in the picture is owned and copyrighted Disney. I would have to see a ruling in a US court on this before I would believe it. If there has been no court case on this matter, then it is an open question that no one holds the answer to. Over to the practices in the media and game industry. According to Electronic Arts and Sony Interactive, to mention the two that pops in to mind first, the screenshots available for the press may be used for any articles about the respective games. They may not be used to sell other products. An other aspect of this is that there are normally two types of images availabe from games. The first is the press release screenshots that by all definitions are copyright the publisher, but allowed useage as mentioned above. The second is the screenshots taken by press. E.G. GameSpot, where they would all argue that they own the copyright. To ensure this they watermark the images. Try finding images from gamespot, gamespy, ign, etc without watermarks. Since watermarking is such a big no-no on wiki, and the press release images are often hyped images made to sell the games, the only images left to use on Wiki would be images taken by non-professionals. Non-professionals does not have access to Debug equipment from Sony, Microsoft or Nintendo and so they can't take the screenshots in good quality. ...What I really don't understand is that when all other media, magazines, newspapers, gamesites and portals, use in-game screenshots frequently to illustrate editorial text on games why on earth does the Wiki community follow policies that disallow the use of the very same type of images? This surely is going agains Wiki Policy rule number one - and without any reason I can see. Please enlighten me. Bendik Stang 10:58, 14 November 2007 (UTC)
I think we are saying the same thing Anomie. However I wasn't expecting a legal discussion when proposing to donate work to wiki. What is the current consensus on screenshots used in a wiki article about a game? Is it ok or not? Also, I get the feeling that people here are sceptical or negative to my proposal. If people on the Video Games Wiki Project does not like or want the help offered I see no point in continuing this discussion. If on the other hand people think it would be helpful, then please help me find a way to do this, not reasons not to do it. In short: We do a lot of work testing video games and can with a little extra effort supply screenshots to wiki. That's it. How it is done I personally don't care, but the time consuming process of manually inserting the images requires more time than we can afford to donate. Bendik Stang 13:24, 14 November 2007 (UTC)
Should they be in both the games category, and the other category? Example: many games in Category:GameCube-only games don't have the GameCube games category in their article. I remember a previous discussion about this determined that games should be in both. I've been adding the category to some articles, however a user reverted many of my changes months ago: [ [2]], scroll down a bit to August to see his mass category removal. I didn't even notice this, until I checked the history of an article today, and noticed he did quite a lot. I don't see any new consensus on this issue here, so should I keep re-adding the category? If that's indeed the case, I would like some help (as it seems like there is a lot to do, besides just the GameCube games). In my view, a game exclusive to a console should be listed for both categories: the console and the console-only category. RobJ1981 07:58, 14 November 2007 (UTC)
There is already a bot taking care of this, but it obviously hasn't done a sweep for a while. I'll get on to it. Thanks for bringing it up. Miremare 19:07, 14 November 2007 (UTC)
I would like to request some assistence in critiquing the The Elder Scrolls IV: Oblivion article in the article's talk page. SharkD 10:14, 14 November 2007 (UTC)
Should this be sent to AFD? There is already a D & D list sorted by platform. I don't see how settings are that notable (as this is the only game list I see sorted this way). It appears to be list/fancruft to me. Thoughts? RobJ1981 14:16, 15 November 2007 (UTC)
Valid list, IMHO. User:Krator ( t c) 15:25, 15 November 2007 (UTC)
Done. New name: List of Dungeons & Dragons video games, based on List of Dungeons & Dragons computer and video games by platform. I've boldly redirected that and List of Dungeons & Dragons computer and video games by setting to it. There are a few holes, as I've gone by what info was available in the existing articles, so if anyone can fill in the holes that'd be great. Miremare 20:25, 15 November 2007 (UTC) Also there is some overlapping between the "Gold Box" and "Silver Box" series (apparently based on the appearance of the game boxes and/or game engine) and series based on the actual contents of the games. The older article wasn't very consistent about this, so that's something to be fixed. Miremare 20:30, 15 November 2007 (UTC)
I just wanted to point you guys here. We have something of a disagreement on the appearance of the article. I and another user think it looks fine, but a user has raised the issue that it looks too much like a game guide. J-ſtan Talk Contribs 15:52, 15 November 2007 (UTC)
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I've been trying to explain to people why a page on Ike from Fire Emblem shouldn't be created. The rationale people seem to be creating is for the sake of practicality/convenience as they feel that there should be a page since information on Ike is on two separate lists: List of characters in Fire Emblem: Path of Radiance and List of characters in Fire Emblem: Radiant Dawn. I've criticised their reasoning as illegitimate since they are paying no attention to WP:N. The main pusher, User: Wikada, is getting emotional and throwing around various accusations. I'd just like it if anybody would provide an extra opinion since this user doesn't seem to pay attention to what I'm saying. Thanks. Ashnard Talk Contribs 16:02, 15 November 2007 (UTC)
I have taken to using eStarland to establish the worth of certain games in the secondary market. For an example of my use, see Bust a Groove. My rationale for using the site is that they have consistant prices for used games (which is a major problem when trying to use sites like eBay as a guide) and that their prices are quite conservative. I know of no better alternative to cite game worth, but I figured I ought to ask the project before using this system too heavily. Of course, this wouldn't need to be used on very many articles, just those in which the value of the game has either stayed the same or risen above its original MSRP. So, is it acceptable?-- SeizureDog 16:17, 15 November 2007 (UTC)
This article is currently at GAR ( WP:GAR#Call of Duty 2) - the main reason was a lack of broad coverage. I was wondering if anyone could take a quick look see and give some suggestions. Cheers, Dihydrogen Monoxide 04:08, 16 November 2007 (UTC)
How useful are these series articles (such as Halo series, Total War series, Half-Life series) in practice? Is it a good idea to have one if the series is deemed notable enough with sufficient real-world impact, reception, etc on the series? (as Halo series tries to do). I'm mainly thinking in terms of the StarCraft series here, whether I may be able to move the mess that is StarCraft universe to StarCraft series and rehaul it to something akin to Halo series when I'm done with my current SC commitments. I was simply going to put StarCraft universe up for AfD once I'd made its content completely redundant through my redos of other articles until I noticed the improved styling used in Halo series.
Consider this a move for creating a debate on the point, I'd like some discussion on the pros and cons of such series articles. -- Sabre 11:35, 16 November 2007 (UTC)
I think it really depends whether a game series is large enough to warrant a comprehensive article about it, the best example of this point being the Mario series (which has countless games). If it has only two or three games then it seems a little unnecessary unless it branches into other aspects such as film, comic/manga and television and anime ect. .:Alex:. 20:08, 17 November 2007 (UTC)
I'd highly recommend not using the word "universe" as that generally implies you're going to be talking about the in-universe elements; "franchise" is probably a better word as it suggests cross-medium marketing and real-world sales. -- MASEM 20:33, 17 November 2007 (UTC)
Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/GDI technology of Command & Conquer has been relisted. If you participated in any of the below, you might want to give it a look.
I've had this happen twice to three articles I've edited this year, where people want to rush in and state what overall ranking a very recent game has gotten at game rankings or metacritic. (Today's notable example being Super Mario Galaxy). I completely understand that after an infinite amount of time, the ranking of a game at either site is a completely unbiased, factual statement of how good the game was received, and so I don't argue these shouldn't be used. However, when a game has just come out and currently those sites may have a smaller number of reviews than normal for a similar game, it seems too much jumping the gun to state its ranking at GR/MC. Extreme example would be a game that has one absolutely perfect review but that's it at either site, placing it as #1, but ends up getting 5/10's from all other sources.
My feeling is that one either waits about 2 weeks from release (barring any wide time frame between NA and PAL releases - if the PAL version is significantly late, then one only needs to wait on the US side updating when the PAL reviews are out, but if the PAL version is out within a week or two, wait for PAL reviews to accumulate as well) or until the game receives a comparable number of reviews for other games on the same system. So for Galaxy, Wii games at GR get around 50 reviews, Galaxy has 30 presently - by these guidelines, including the ranking of the game is premature. -- MASEM 13:57, 17 November 2007 (UTC)
Including GR and MC rankings should not be done, because video game ratings given in reviews are not measured according to relative standards, but absolute standards. Though this follows from common sense, it can be illustrated by looking at the rating of 10/10. A perfect game will have that rating, not the best game. Use notable awards instead if you must - they compare different games. User:Krator ( t c) 16:25, 17 November 2007 (UTC)
I believe this category is becoming much too stuffed. It's basically impossible to find what you desire in here. I propose a system (not unlike that for the game covers) of subcategories, once for each system. A few have already been created after all. N. Harmonik ( talk) 21:24, 17 November 2007 (UTC)
Well, I've been trying to locate some out of universe information for the characters and have come up empty. I think all the pages under Category:Xenosaga characters, e.g. KOS-MOS, should be merged into their appropriate lists. I would definately need some help though, since I've never merged anything before. Can someone please help or supply an opinion? Zemalia ( talk) 06:49, 18 November 2007 (UTC)
Basically, I'm thinking about attempting a Featured with this, but the article's going nowhere unless this information can be found. Does anybody know of any sources detailing some development info? Thanks. Ashnard Talk Contribs 18:53, 18 November 2007 (UTC)
Turd the Borg is adding excessive, and often unneeded cleanup tags to several VG featured articles. I've reverted a few and left him a note that it isn't helpful. He also seems to be removing content when editors revert his tags. Some other admins might want to keep an eye on this. Here's an example of an article he overloaded with cleanup and fact tags. Pagra shtak 23:31, 18 November 2007 (UTC)
He definitely needs to be kept an eye on. I've reverted a few of his edits, but he's redirected Dirge of Cerberus Lost Episode: Final Fantasy_VII and Last Order: Final Fantasy VII with seemingly no discussion. - hahnch e n 18:46, 19 November 2007 (UTC)
I am new to this project, and I see that you have no COTW [I may be wrong]. Why not start a COTW? Lex94 Talk Contributions Guest Book 19:05, 19 November 2007 (UTC)
The regular editors insist on having a "newest releases" section. It's both clutter and turning the article into a news release. I've reverted it off, but they claim the consensus is there (which they've used as an excuse in the past). This is simply a matter of the regulars claiming ownership in my view. What does everyone else think? RobJ1981 ( talk) 19:24, 19 November 2007 (UTC)
For example Wikipedia:WikiProject Video games/ ( Game name here )
It sounds reasonable to me what do you think?
Make a concensus.
-- Storkian aka iSoroush Talk 21:53, 19 November 2007 (UTC)
No. User:Krator ( t c) 22:10, 19 November 2007 (UTC)
I was looking through the articles in this category, and it seems to me that many of these articles are really only Start-class. Perhaps we should reassess a lot of these. JACO PLANE • 2007-11-20 17:42
Xbox Live Arcade games are spread out on several articles, and one list would probably be the best route to go. See Xbox Live Arcade#Xbox Live Arcade games for the Xbox 360, List of Xbox Live Arcade games by date and Upcoming games for Xbox Live Arcade for the mess. The Virtual Console (another gaming download service) has one list for it's games per region. I don't know a lot about Xbox Live Arcade, but if the games are for all regions then one list is all that is needed. If not, various region lists (similar to how Virtual Console lists are setup) should be the way to go. RobJ1981 ( talk) 07:19, 21 November 2007 (UTC)
Has anyone noticed Category:Warhammer 40,000? It's filled with many articles (and subcategories) that need to be deleted or merged. For some reason, many of the articles have an unneccesary dab suffix, like Weapons and equipment of the Tau Empire (Warhammer 40,000). (As opposed to what other Weapons and equipment of the Tau Empire?) I'll help tackle it after the Warcraft deletions start dying down, but if someone wants to start in on PROD/AFD now, feel free. Please note that some articles (like the W&E of Tau up there) have had PRODs removed already. Pagra shtak 17:02, 21 November 2007 (UTC)
Please just do some WP:BOLD merges before going for AFD. User:Krator ( t c) 19:14, 21 November 2007 (UTC)
Warhammer 40K is primarily a tabletop gaming thing with only a few related video games, so I've left a note about this at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Board and table games#Warhammer articles. Miremare 19:45, 21 November 2007 (UTC)
These are largely outside the scope of WP:VG, it's going to be hard to source things in that space unless you have copies of White Dwarf (magazine) or similar resources. The way we're applying WP:FICT is pretty inconsistent, we're deleting a lot of in-universe information, and yet Characters in Castlevania: Sorrow series is on FAC, and Characters of Final Fantasy VIII is a featured article. - hahnch e n 23:05, 21 November 2007 (UTC)
The 40k Wikiproject has already been discussing this, and we currently have some sections discussing this, and a sub page to deal with transwiking. As most of the content is outside of WikiProject Video games, and to keep the discussion centralized, I'd ask that it be discussed on the above linked pages. This will also make sure that those most interested in the material are aware of what's being decided. Thanks. -- Falcorian (talk) 16:33, 24 November 2007 (UTC)
When does it leans towards game guide content (and/or listcruft, clutter)? Here's a recent example: Resident Evil: The Umbrella Chronicles#Gameplay. I'm sure there is more though. In general, shouldn't listing levels just be avoided? RobJ1981 ( talk) 20:52, 21 November 2007 (UTC)
A documentary about how the video game industry came to be. Could be used as an additional source for multiple articles. Tv-schedules « ₣ullMetal ₣alcon » 01:52, 22 November 2007 (UTC)
Can you help me tell if Crysis 2 violates policy. I don't really see how it violates CRYSTAL or NOTABILITY. Thanks! Marlith T/ C 06:23, 22 November 2007 (UTC)
There is no deadline. According to the deletion rationale there was a single source, not quite sure what a chatlog is but it sounds like it could be a message board post or something equally unreliable as a source. Notability is something that new articles should aim to pass from the get-go, rather than something to trip them up after contributors have spent time and energy. WP is a tertiary source and without reliable secondary sources there is no article. Someone another ( talk) 12:03, 22 November 2007 (UTC)
Hi, I have put up a request to rename Category:Descent: FreeSpace to Category:FreeSpace series for the reasons listed at the Categories for discussion page here. However it seems none of the admin or frequent traffic there are interested in this request, so I am putting a heads up over here since the main VG page has only a section dealing with deletion requests. Jappalang ( talk) 01:46, 23 November 2007 (UTC)
If you take a look in this category, you will see yet another host of stubby in-universe articles. We should look at this one too. Someone nominated ten of them for deletion, and that's a good start, but there is still a lot to do. Judgesurreal777 ( talk) 02:20, 23 November 2007 (UTC)
I'm an avid game player. I play Star Wars Galaxies and Second Life. I nominate those two for a side project that I can start on. The Second Life article is extremly slanted in its opinion and Star Wars Galaxies and be expanded. CrazySain ( talk) 02:23, 23 November 2007 (UTC)
I'm encountering some odd opposition on this FAC. I would appreciate any commentary or criticism regarding certain novel presumptions regarding "FA notability"; scope of topic and substance of topic have no bearing on the FA-ability, so long as reliable sources covering the subject in all its major details are there, correct? I am, as ever, confused: individuals demanding something beyond the possible on the basis of personal laws instead of policy always frustrate me. Please, any commentary would be welcome. Geuiwogbil ( Talk) 16:29, 23 November 2007 (UTC)
Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of minor characters in Xenosaga is good for a laugh. I'd wager this happened because it didn't get added to WP:VG/D until five days were already almost up. I really think we need a video game only category for AfDs - considering the sheer number of them, the fact that they get spread around the "media and music", "games or sports", "science and technology", and "fiction and the arts" categories doesn't make things easy, and they only get added to the WP:CVG deletion section when someone notices them, or if the nom does it themselves. Miremare 16:47, 23 November 2007 (UTC)
An editor has called to question the use of Joystiq on the Frank West (Dead Rising) page. This source has been used on featured articles as has similar "blogs" such as Kotaku. Could I please get some assistance with explaining to him how Joystiq and such are considered experts in the field of gaming and that they do have editorial processes and aren't simple blogs such as a blogspot or livejournal? Thanks. I'm getting too hot to deal with this.... Kyaa the Catlord ( talk) 23:50, 23 November 2007 (UTC)
Halo 3 is up for FAC again, seeing as no meaningful comments came up last time... show up! David Fuchs ( talk) 00:40, 24 November 2007 (UTC)
I've been running into some editors replacing {{ VG Navigation groups}} with {{ Navbox}}. Is there a reason we aren't using Navbox to begin with? They seem practically the same, except for VG Navigation groups isn't as wide, doesn't have the "hide" ability, the "vde" displays on the right (and too low), and perhaps a few syntax particulars. Am I missing something important here? Pagra shtak 17:19, 24 November 2007 (UTC)
I'm currently trying to add sources to Super Smash Bros Melee. There's a claim that Roy and Marth were supposed to be exclusive to Japan, but gained popularity during localisation so were included in the Western version. Could someone read this [3] and [4] to see if it's true. I've tried translating it by Google, but I can't seem to decipher the poor translation. Thanks. Ashnard Talk Contribs 19:57, 24 November 2007 (UTC)
キャラクターは任天堂だけのものじゃないし、海外では発売されていないタイトルだし。
だけれど、登場を強く望むファンのためにムリをしました。
#ムリをするにはインテリジェントシステムズ他、多方面のご協力が必要だったわけですが・・・
海外版では外す覚悟でマルスを作っていたのですが、キャラを立てた結果、海外のかたにも絶賛され、結果日本と全く同じ仕様で搭載されています。
(ゆえにマルスは日本語のままです)
Adverts for video games often limit their use of actual in-game footage, and it seems that Wikipedia articles do this as well. See Wikipedia:Featured article candidates/Characters in Castlevania: Sorrow series and Wikipedia:Featured article candidates/Characters of Kingdom Hearts. Using promotional art exclusively makes articles misleading and advert-like. Unlike comics or film characters, video game characters often differ markedly from their promotional artwork, and we should not shrink from depicting this.-- Nydas (Talk) 09:53, 26 November 2007 (UTC)
A few times I've tried to remove some unhelpful categories from character pages, but I always end up reverted by fans or anons. For example, Wario is currently in the following categories:
Just because a character has appeared in a golfing video game doesn't mean he's a fictional golfer. Bagger Vance of The Legend of Bagger Vance is a fictional golfer, as is the title character of Happy Gilmore—these characters are defined by golfing. Wario is not. Does everyone agree that these categories are not helpful and should be removed from Wario and related characters? Pagra shtak 19:45, 26 November 2007 (UTC)
Shouldn't {{ Future video game}} be redirected to {{ Future game}}? Also, for a game just released like Mario & Sonic at the Olympic Games, should the template use the "type" parameter since it is not yet released on the DS? Maybe there should be an explanation on that... « ₣ullMetal ₣alcon » 03:34, 27 November 2007 (UTC)
This article has been labeled as a stub and I would like it to be re-evaluated because it has been expanded since it was given the stub label. I would appreciate any improvements that you make to it. Thank you. Jecowa ( talk) 00:53, 28 November 2007 (UTC)
I'm in discussion with the guy who added the details regarding the recently released trailer for Deus Ex 3. I don't consider the information encyclopedic, but the author of the section disagrees (See the discussion here). Thoughts? Una Laguna Talk 22:15, 28 November 2007 (UTC)
Recently, there's been a trend towards removing or drastically cutting down on the usage of images in articles on characters. While the issue is currently video game characters, it could imply that most other fair use images could possibly be on the chopping block as well, such as screenshots and the like. I've opened a discussion about this at Wikipedia_talk:Non-free content#Character images and lists. This has fairly important repercussions; if the recent trend is affirmed, then many of the images in current character articles need to be deleted. SnowFire ( talk) 19:25, 29 November 2007 (UTC)
After doing a little research: I found out that Go! Go! Minon and Mr. D Goes to Town are the same game. Which game title should it be under? Go Go is the original name for the Japan release, while Mr. D is for the North America release (which hasn't been released yet). RobJ1981 ( talk) 23:39, 29 November 2007 (UTC)
Theres currently an edit war on Fox McCloud, people are redirecting/merging it and reverting it back and fourth to the point where it's full-protected (Ends 01:11 December 7, 2007). The discussion is on Talk:List of characters in the Star Fox series, so I was hoping you guys would help them come to a consensus. Dengarde ► Complaints 01:20, 30 November 2007 (UTC)
Does anyone like sonic? Evadog ( talk) 20:34, 26 April 2008 (UTC)Evadog