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Find video game sources: "Cheat Code Central" – news · books · scholar · images – VGRS · WPVG Talk · LinkSearch · CrossWiki · LinkTo Some old discussions from 2009 and 2013 wondered about the reliability of Cheat Code Central. I found the talks very small and without consensus. I do not know what the site was like a few years ago, though the website looks to me as professional and well-written. Even if its enthusiasm for video games is a bit overbearing (don't we all share that enthusiasm somewhere?), I still found many of its articles as a notable secondary source for information. If you have any issues about this, it would be nice to hear. -- Kiyoshiendo ( talk) 19:31, 6 November 2015 (UTC)
Find video game sources: "GameSkinny" – news · books · scholar · images – VGRS · WPVG Talk · LinkSearch · CrossWiki · LinkTo First off, so many websites have "Game" in their name. Second, here's another website that should be looked at. Don't personally see anything that would show its reliability, especially seeing that their staff might just consist of contributors. GamerPro64 03:21, 31 October 2015 (UTC)
It seems that makes a clear no for this one. ~ Mable ( chat) 20:54, 6 November 2015 (UTC)
Find video game sources: "Anomie’s SNES Port Doc" – news · books · scholar · images – VGRS · WPVG Talk · LinkSearch · CrossWiki · LinkTo
So, the SNES article was recently tagged for having unreliable sources. The editors there were able to fix up many of them. But there are ones that point to the romhacking.net site, all of the author's to the three different sources have Anomie's name attached to them. Mostly I'm asking for the other editors, as they were somewhat scratching their heads trying to figure out if this type of source is OK.-- Sexy Kick 21:41, 19 November 2015 (UTC)
I fixed all of the other sources that had gotten tagged, or removed the content if I couldn't find a source and it wasn't really important. That left Anomie's sources. These sources have been in place for nearly a decade from what I can tell, and would really like to be able to accept them as reliable sources. I think the question goes two ways... Is romhacking.net possibly reliable? If not, is Anomie as an author reliable? (i.e. a subject matter expert?) -- ferret ( talk) 22:12, 19 November 2015 (UTC)
Game World Navigator / ru:Навигатор игрового мира (Navigator Igrovova Mira).
Finally got around to this one. While being one of the Russia's main ones, they are independent/self-published, so their PR suffers and I have trouble finding publisher-related information. They do get mentioned a lot in passing in Russian sources, like [2]. Not a whole lot in English sources. Compared to other magazines, they appear on par with also-active Igromania in their content.
The magazine is second-oldest Russian print magazine starting March 1997 and still active today with monthly releases (although there have been gaps). It appears to have a steady audience with self-reported circulation numbers peaking at 65k in 2000s and 20-30k since. It's listed on Russian VG/RS equivalent as a reliable source.
The content ( some examples) is mainly PC video game based with previews, full (2+ pages) and short (columns) reviews. Reviews are on a scale of 10.0 with breakdowns in later versions and seem to have broad score range (71 according to MC). Usually around ~200 pages, earlier ones up to 100. Earlier versions also had guides and such. Later versions also cover some indie games. They also cover hardware, industry, esports, and such. As of 2012, the magazine went from PC-only to multi-platform [3] [4].
According to the intro in their first issue, before the journal, the people behind it were doing various work in leading Russian publications, including making their own computer game catalogue [5] (I think this is the one, searching for offline "video game catalogue" is useless) for almost 10 years. So they had experience, but not a full editorial team to make a journal, which they finally managed in 1997. They also say "not for money, but because they enjoy it". They keep printing editor's column each issue. I have to say, their first issue is better than most magazines manage, although it's fairly average for existing magazines.
The magazine was founded by editor-in-chief Denis Dadydov (Денис Давыдов), who had worked on other magazines before and later moved on to Igromania, which sounds like the experience and credentials they claim. Their team does not appear to fluctuate and same people are working consistently. Current chief editor is Igor Boyko (Игорь Бойко), who was second-in-chief to Dadydov and took over. He is recently the first Russian judge to join Gamescon [6] [7], which likely speaks to his credentials. He has an interview at [8].
They are published by Navigator Publishing (Навигатор Паблишинг) [9], which is their own independent publisher. They also published 11 issues of Console (Консоль) magazine ( some examples) during 2006-2007, which was their console counter-part reaching 15k circulation [10], though it didn't take off (apparently because no one cares about consoles, even though magazine's quality was on par). It seems to follow the same layout/content as the main magazine. Apparently, they also printed some other minor now-defunct publications, but it's impossible to find.
They also have an online version at nim.ru, though mostly to mark their online presence checkbox (Boyko says print magazine is priority in his interview). I can't find any (legal) repository of magazine scans online, but I have most of the issues for reference (including Console). Some extra stuff I used for references [11] [12] [13]. — HELLKNOWZ ▎ TALK 15:18, 22 November 2015 (UTC)
Find video game sources: "App Spy (AppSpy.com)" – news · books · scholar · images – VGRS · WPVG Talk · LinkSearch · CrossWiki · LinkTo
This one was previously reviewed back in 2014, so I figured that I'd open up a new one since there was nothing 100% concrete at the last one. This review is a video, so warnings about that.
This has been used to salvage articles at AfD so that's a point in its favor. They're also listed as a critic on Metacritic and they seem to still have their reviews posted as of April 2015 (I didn't do a long search for dates), which is another point in its favor and for me personally I think that this should be enough for it to have an approved check mark next to the website. Tokyogirl79 (。◕‿◕。) 15:25, 25 November 2015 (UTC)
Find video game sources: "Android Headlines" – news · books · scholar · images – VGRS · WPVG Talk · LinkSearch · CrossWiki · LinkTo
This is another one from the same draft article, Draft:Walking_War_Robots. Now this specific source looks to be unusable since it was a sponsored review, which I take to mean that the game company paid them for the review. This page suggests that none of the reviews are usable since anyone can buy a review.
I'm just sort of running this through officially so that it can be added to the list of the "shouldn't be used" websites. I was debating whether or not to even add this, but a search for the website URL on Wikipedia shows that people have been using it as a source. I think that an official discussion would probably help guard against future attempts to add this to articles. I'm going to remove this as a source from those articles, as I don't think that a website that so prominently advertises that it'll write about you for a fee could ever be neutral. Tokyogirl79 (。◕‿◕。) 15:01, 25 November 2015 (UTC)
Find video game sources: "Android Police" – news · books · scholar · images – VGRS · WPVG Talk · LinkSearch · CrossWiki · LinkTo
Another one for the same draft article, Draft:Walking War Robots. This source is the one that I'm wondering about. Offhand this looks good. It has an editorial staff and the article was written by a staff member. I don't see anything that gives off the impression that they charge for anything, so this is likely usable. Given that there was such a dubious source added (a website that charged for reviews) I'm going to run this one through here anyway. Tokyogirl79 (。◕‿◕。) 15:11, 25 November 2015 (UTC)
Find video game sources: "Tapscape" – news · books · scholar · images – VGRS · WPVG Talk · LinkSearch · CrossWiki · LinkTo
I feel a little bad about bombarding you guys with all of this, but I do want to ensure that these are usable. This one looks OK, since they have an editorial staff, although this wasn't written by a staff member. (I tend to like using ones written by dedicated staff members/reporters since that makes it less likely that the review was something contributed by a random person and posted without any edits.)
What do you guys think? Tokyogirl79 (。◕‿◕。) 15:14, 25 November 2015 (UTC)
I Made a custom search engine to search from reliable sources, available at http://vps216546.ovh.net/rss/. Currently includes 152 sources taken from techmeme and this project's page of sources excluding the non-english ones. -- Johnny Bin ( talk) 13:00, 29 November 2015 (UTC)
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I think this site should be marked as unreliable. The authors are uncredentialed and the site has no hallmarks of credibility. czar 17:04, 1 December 2015 (UTC)
Hi guys. I have a 1up reserved for anyone who can verify a source on Sound Fantasy, upon which I'd attached {{verify}}? The source had originally been given as "Electronic Gaming Magazine" with a section called "International Outlook" but a magazine by that name doesn't seem to exist, and that's a little further away from "Electronic Gaming Monthly", so I thought it might mean "Electronic Games Magazine". Can you at least verify the name of the magazine? Does Electronic Games Magazine from November 1993 have a section called International Outlook? I find an archive here but they don't seem to have November 1993. As a super bonus 1up round, I'd love an image and page number of that, so can you tell me if it's this one? Thanks. — Smuckola (talk) 10:20, 28 November 2015 (UTC)
Find video game sources: "Gameplanet" – news · books · scholar · images – VGRS · WPVG Talk · LinkSearch · CrossWiki · LinkTo
I can't help but notice that, while its considered reliable here, there wasn't really any consensus of it being that. I can't find any discussions where it was agreed it was reliable. Might need to be re-evaluated. GamerPro64 15:27, 2 December 2015 (UTC)
Find video game sources: "MassivelyOP" – news · books · scholar · images – VGRS · WPVG Talk · LinkSearch · CrossWiki · LinkTo
I think we need to re-evaluate Massively due to its original iteration getting closed down in part to Joystiq shutting down. Never read the site before but it does appear the old guard writes for MassivelyOP now. They have an ethics statement which is nice. GamerPro64 23:11, 6 December 2015 (UTC)
Hello. Would a few kind editors please share their views at PlayStation 4 system software's talk page here? I'd be very grateful. There's been a bit of a protracted dispute ( History). Many, many thanks. :) Anna Frodesiak ( talk) 21:15, 28 December 2015 (UTC)
Anna Frodesiak ( talk) 22:04, 28 December 2015 (UTC)
Find video game sources: "OpenCritic" – news · books · scholar · images – VGRS · WPVG Talk · LinkSearch · CrossWiki · LinkTo
I'd like to request that OpenCritic be added to the list of Video Game review aggregators.
For the past several major releases, OpenCritic has been the fastest aggregator when posting reviews. They also have several publications included that both Metacritic and GameRankings do not have, such as Eurogamer, Rock Paper Shotgun, Kotaku, Totalbiscuit, AngryCentaurGaming, the Pittsburgh Post-Gazette, Game-Debate, Gadgets360, Paste Magazine, Pixel Dynamo, WCCFtech, GBAtemp, Examiner.com, and PCWorld. They will soon also be adding TechnoBuffalo, Ars Technica, the Reno Gazette-Journal, and IBTimes UK.
Unlike Metacritic and GameRankings, all of OpenCritic's standards for publication inclusion are completely transparent and visible on their FAQ.
Unlike Metacritic, OpenCritic does not have any weighting, and instead takes a straight average. You can see this calculation by clicking on the score orb on the game details page.
Also unlike Metacritic and GameRankings, OpenCritic includes publications that don't issue numeric verdicts, such as Eurogamer, and instead displays their textual verdict. Non-numeric publications are not included in the aggregate score.
Another point of contrast is that OpenCritic allows publications to submit revisions to their score or quotes at any time (for example, IGN just edited their Splatoon review). By combining both the ability to change scores and listing non-scoring reviews, publications are offered new flexibility. Some publications chose not to score DLC, while others may chose to wait until servers come up. In both cases, OpenCritic is able to list their reviews as non-scoring.
As a result of both public standards and a straight average, users do not need to extend any trust to the OpenCritic administrators, as everything can be verified using publicly available information.
Some random sources of praise in addition to the Google links above
To fully disclose, I am the CEO of OpenCritic. I also just want to say that I've never edited wikipedia before, despite being one of those guys that'll go around and read random things. I'm sorry if I've broken any protocol - I'm a bit nervous about submitting even this.
MattEnth ( talk) 07:12, 14 November 2015 (UTC)
A fair question on PresN's comment here: Do we agree that OpenCritic is a reliable source? In that they are basically that they are properly linking to external reviews, doing the proper grade assignments, and calculating the resulting score as they state they are doing with no hidden tricks, etc? I am not aware of any issues on this, they seem fully legit since they opened. I would definitely state that a minimum step is to add them to the WP:VG/S table as reliable in that fashion, if there are no objections. -- MASEM ( t) 22:33, 16 November 2015 (UTC)
Also as a separate comment since we have @MattEnth here: would you be interested in providing us with a freely-licensed screencap of your website once you go live with the new version? The example one you have for Fallout 4 works well (assuming it is representative) - the only gotcha in copyright are the FO4 images, but we can argue that at the resolution you have that at, those fall under de minimus (we're focused on your site's layout and not the screenshots from the game), and we could still have that freely licensed to include at the OpenCritic article. -- MASEM ( t) 22:37, 16 November 2015 (UTC)
Random comment I'd like to perhaps see, in the interest of brevity, that we establish a "One Aggregator Only" rule, with a hierarchy of which to use. If things continue to be positive, OpenCritic would be the primary aggregator. If it does not cover a particular game, Metacritic is next in line, and finally, if Metacritic doesn't have it either, GameRankings. I see almost as little purpose in our current listing of two aggregators as I would in three. On the flip side.... If we aren't going to say "One Aggregator Only", we might as well list all three (Again, assuming ultimately OpenCritic passes muster). Additional thought I'd like to see some sort of Aggregator template as well. Something similar to VG Release Date template, with a parameter for each system. A syntax similar to something like: |XONE|89|source|. Could a template programmatically determine which aggregator name to list by looking at a source URL? -- ferret ( talk) 15:01, 17 November 2015 (UTC)
Find video game sources: "Venturebeat" – news · books · scholar · images – VGRS · WPVG Talk · LinkSearch · CrossWiki · LinkTo
So, I was rather surprised to see that this wasn't on the list as reliable already, as I use it all the time, as do others, and it seems like a clear cut case for reliability. Wanted to document a discussion though:
If you look at http://venturebeat.com/about/ - and the pages that link to it, you'll see:
I don't see any issues so far. Thoughts? Sergecross73 msg me 19:45, 11 December 2015 (UTC)
Find video game sources: "Arcade Sushi" – news · books · scholar · images – VGRS · WPVG Talk · LinkSearch · CrossWiki · LinkTo
I noticed this currently being argued on List of commercial failures in video gaming with it being called a "worthless source". I've only recently come across this source with OpenCritic being a thing now so I think it should be evaluated on its reliability. GamerPro64 22:29, 5 October 2015 (UTC)
It seems ACE (Advanced Computer Entertainment) UK print magazine was never discussed before, so bringing it up. Published by Future plc and later EMAP. 55 issues from 197 to 1992 focusing on various PCs and related. Seems like tons of great retro stuff info. Internet Archive has scans available at [26] for reference. Issue 1 says the people behind used to make Personal Computer Games magazine [27]. It also describes in detail their review process/scoring [28]. Unless there's any reason against, I would say it's a reliable source by default. — HELLKNOWZ ▎ TALK
Find video game sources: "Droid Gamers" – news · books · scholar · images – VGRS · WPVG Talk · LinkSearch · CrossWiki · LinkTo
I'm currently cleaning a fairly promotional draft article ( Draft:Walking War Robots) and I'm going through the sources. Long story short, this looks to have been an article created by a game company since the review quotes were cherrypicked to be extremely positive and the article contained a lot of WP:GAMEGUIDE information to make the game more appealing. I do think that the game is likely notable, but it'd be helpful if I could guarantee that all of the sources were usable.
They do have an editorial staff, however this article wasn't written by a staff member. The review in the article is this one. On the minus side, a look for coverage about the site (ie, mentions of it elsewhere as a RS) doesn't bring up anything.
I think that this likely would be usable, but I wanted to verify this. Tokyogirl79 (。◕‿◕。) 14:54, 25 November 2015 (UTC)
Find video game sources: "Hardcore Gamer" – news · books · scholar · images – VGRS · WPVG Talk · LinkSearch · CrossWiki · LinkTo
While the magazine folded, Hardcore Gamer still has its website. However, it was only discussed once nine years ago with no actual consensus. While I think its reliable, we should actually make sure what it should be considered. GamerPro64 03:38, 16 December 2015 (UTC)
Find video game sources: "Tubefilter" – news · books · scholar · images – VGRS · WPVG Talk · LinkSearch · CrossWiki · LinkTo
This came up in the JonTron thread at WT:VG—I didn't see what made this site reliable or noteworthy (for notability). Here's its about page. I don't see anything about editorial control here and, aside from the founders, the writers do not have former industry or journalistic experience... czar 15:29, 12 December 2015 (UTC)
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This site is used in Break Chance Memento several times. Looks blog-like and I see no easy hallmarks of reliability. czar 20:37, 22 December 2015 (UTC)
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Just to clarify, mmogames.com is different from our approved MMO Games Magazine, right? It's not exactly clear from the About page—but I would suspect that they'd be clearer about the lineage if it existed. czar 16:40, 27 December 2015 (UTC)
So, generally random YouTubers and fansites are not considered reliable sources because content is self published and not curated. However, would an interview with a game developer published by YouTuber or fansite be considered fine to use on an article? There's a lot of interesting coverage on video game companies, industry people, and the development of older games in these sorts of interviews that you wouldn't really find on mainstream video game websites and magazines. As an example, MattChat is a YouTuber that has interviewed many industry veterans, it would be a great source of information for lots of articles but I'm not sure to what extent it would be usuable, if at all, on a Wikipedia article. I'm not sure how much bearing WP:SELFSOURCE/ WP:SELFPUB or it being considered a primary source has on this. -- The1337gamer ( talk) 23:00, 30 December 2015 (UTC)
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Seen this being used on an article or two but haven't seen any discussion about it yet. They got a staff but not sure how credible they are. GamerPro64 17:33, 1 January 2016 (UTC)
Find video game sources: "Screwattack" – news · books · scholar · images – VGRS · WPVG Talk · LinkSearch · CrossWiki · LinkTo
I think we might need to reassess Screwattack. Previously their videos were allowed to be used if they were on GameTrailers. It seems they ended their partnership two years ago. Now they're part of Fullscreen and Rooster Teeth. A lot has changed for that site. GamerPro64 23:38, 19 December 2015 (UTC)
We don't need to mark sources as situational/conditional because there could potentially be some circumstance in which an experienced journalist might write a reliable piece for an otherwise unreliable publication. In those cases, the source should be marked as unreliable because all unreliable sites carry the aforementioned caveat. Calling the site situational just makes it murky for our dealings. czar 15:45, 12 December 2015 (UTC)
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Find video game sources: "Cheat Code Central" – news · books · scholar · images – VGRS · WPVG Talk · LinkSearch · CrossWiki · LinkTo Some old discussions from 2009 and 2013 wondered about the reliability of Cheat Code Central. I found the talks very small and without consensus. I do not know what the site was like a few years ago, though the website looks to me as professional and well-written. Even if its enthusiasm for video games is a bit overbearing (don't we all share that enthusiasm somewhere?), I still found many of its articles as a notable secondary source for information. If you have any issues about this, it would be nice to hear. -- Kiyoshiendo ( talk) 19:31, 6 November 2015 (UTC)
Find video game sources: "GameSkinny" – news · books · scholar · images – VGRS · WPVG Talk · LinkSearch · CrossWiki · LinkTo First off, so many websites have "Game" in their name. Second, here's another website that should be looked at. Don't personally see anything that would show its reliability, especially seeing that their staff might just consist of contributors. GamerPro64 03:21, 31 October 2015 (UTC)
It seems that makes a clear no for this one. ~ Mable ( chat) 20:54, 6 November 2015 (UTC)
Find video game sources: "Anomie’s SNES Port Doc" – news · books · scholar · images – VGRS · WPVG Talk · LinkSearch · CrossWiki · LinkTo
So, the SNES article was recently tagged for having unreliable sources. The editors there were able to fix up many of them. But there are ones that point to the romhacking.net site, all of the author's to the three different sources have Anomie's name attached to them. Mostly I'm asking for the other editors, as they were somewhat scratching their heads trying to figure out if this type of source is OK.-- Sexy Kick 21:41, 19 November 2015 (UTC)
I fixed all of the other sources that had gotten tagged, or removed the content if I couldn't find a source and it wasn't really important. That left Anomie's sources. These sources have been in place for nearly a decade from what I can tell, and would really like to be able to accept them as reliable sources. I think the question goes two ways... Is romhacking.net possibly reliable? If not, is Anomie as an author reliable? (i.e. a subject matter expert?) -- ferret ( talk) 22:12, 19 November 2015 (UTC)
Game World Navigator / ru:Навигатор игрового мира (Navigator Igrovova Mira).
Finally got around to this one. While being one of the Russia's main ones, they are independent/self-published, so their PR suffers and I have trouble finding publisher-related information. They do get mentioned a lot in passing in Russian sources, like [2]. Not a whole lot in English sources. Compared to other magazines, they appear on par with also-active Igromania in their content.
The magazine is second-oldest Russian print magazine starting March 1997 and still active today with monthly releases (although there have been gaps). It appears to have a steady audience with self-reported circulation numbers peaking at 65k in 2000s and 20-30k since. It's listed on Russian VG/RS equivalent as a reliable source.
The content ( some examples) is mainly PC video game based with previews, full (2+ pages) and short (columns) reviews. Reviews are on a scale of 10.0 with breakdowns in later versions and seem to have broad score range (71 according to MC). Usually around ~200 pages, earlier ones up to 100. Earlier versions also had guides and such. Later versions also cover some indie games. They also cover hardware, industry, esports, and such. As of 2012, the magazine went from PC-only to multi-platform [3] [4].
According to the intro in their first issue, before the journal, the people behind it were doing various work in leading Russian publications, including making their own computer game catalogue [5] (I think this is the one, searching for offline "video game catalogue" is useless) for almost 10 years. So they had experience, but not a full editorial team to make a journal, which they finally managed in 1997. They also say "not for money, but because they enjoy it". They keep printing editor's column each issue. I have to say, their first issue is better than most magazines manage, although it's fairly average for existing magazines.
The magazine was founded by editor-in-chief Denis Dadydov (Денис Давыдов), who had worked on other magazines before and later moved on to Igromania, which sounds like the experience and credentials they claim. Their team does not appear to fluctuate and same people are working consistently. Current chief editor is Igor Boyko (Игорь Бойко), who was second-in-chief to Dadydov and took over. He is recently the first Russian judge to join Gamescon [6] [7], which likely speaks to his credentials. He has an interview at [8].
They are published by Navigator Publishing (Навигатор Паблишинг) [9], which is their own independent publisher. They also published 11 issues of Console (Консоль) magazine ( some examples) during 2006-2007, which was their console counter-part reaching 15k circulation [10], though it didn't take off (apparently because no one cares about consoles, even though magazine's quality was on par). It seems to follow the same layout/content as the main magazine. Apparently, they also printed some other minor now-defunct publications, but it's impossible to find.
They also have an online version at nim.ru, though mostly to mark their online presence checkbox (Boyko says print magazine is priority in his interview). I can't find any (legal) repository of magazine scans online, but I have most of the issues for reference (including Console). Some extra stuff I used for references [11] [12] [13]. — HELLKNOWZ ▎ TALK 15:18, 22 November 2015 (UTC)
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This one was previously reviewed back in 2014, so I figured that I'd open up a new one since there was nothing 100% concrete at the last one. This review is a video, so warnings about that.
This has been used to salvage articles at AfD so that's a point in its favor. They're also listed as a critic on Metacritic and they seem to still have their reviews posted as of April 2015 (I didn't do a long search for dates), which is another point in its favor and for me personally I think that this should be enough for it to have an approved check mark next to the website. Tokyogirl79 (。◕‿◕。) 15:25, 25 November 2015 (UTC)
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This is another one from the same draft article, Draft:Walking_War_Robots. Now this specific source looks to be unusable since it was a sponsored review, which I take to mean that the game company paid them for the review. This page suggests that none of the reviews are usable since anyone can buy a review.
I'm just sort of running this through officially so that it can be added to the list of the "shouldn't be used" websites. I was debating whether or not to even add this, but a search for the website URL on Wikipedia shows that people have been using it as a source. I think that an official discussion would probably help guard against future attempts to add this to articles. I'm going to remove this as a source from those articles, as I don't think that a website that so prominently advertises that it'll write about you for a fee could ever be neutral. Tokyogirl79 (。◕‿◕。) 15:01, 25 November 2015 (UTC)
Find video game sources: "Android Police" – news · books · scholar · images – VGRS · WPVG Talk · LinkSearch · CrossWiki · LinkTo
Another one for the same draft article, Draft:Walking War Robots. This source is the one that I'm wondering about. Offhand this looks good. It has an editorial staff and the article was written by a staff member. I don't see anything that gives off the impression that they charge for anything, so this is likely usable. Given that there was such a dubious source added (a website that charged for reviews) I'm going to run this one through here anyway. Tokyogirl79 (。◕‿◕。) 15:11, 25 November 2015 (UTC)
Find video game sources: "Tapscape" – news · books · scholar · images – VGRS · WPVG Talk · LinkSearch · CrossWiki · LinkTo
I feel a little bad about bombarding you guys with all of this, but I do want to ensure that these are usable. This one looks OK, since they have an editorial staff, although this wasn't written by a staff member. (I tend to like using ones written by dedicated staff members/reporters since that makes it less likely that the review was something contributed by a random person and posted without any edits.)
What do you guys think? Tokyogirl79 (。◕‿◕。) 15:14, 25 November 2015 (UTC)
I Made a custom search engine to search from reliable sources, available at http://vps216546.ovh.net/rss/. Currently includes 152 sources taken from techmeme and this project's page of sources excluding the non-english ones. -- Johnny Bin ( talk) 13:00, 29 November 2015 (UTC)
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I think this site should be marked as unreliable. The authors are uncredentialed and the site has no hallmarks of credibility. czar 17:04, 1 December 2015 (UTC)
Hi guys. I have a 1up reserved for anyone who can verify a source on Sound Fantasy, upon which I'd attached {{verify}}? The source had originally been given as "Electronic Gaming Magazine" with a section called "International Outlook" but a magazine by that name doesn't seem to exist, and that's a little further away from "Electronic Gaming Monthly", so I thought it might mean "Electronic Games Magazine". Can you at least verify the name of the magazine? Does Electronic Games Magazine from November 1993 have a section called International Outlook? I find an archive here but they don't seem to have November 1993. As a super bonus 1up round, I'd love an image and page number of that, so can you tell me if it's this one? Thanks. — Smuckola (talk) 10:20, 28 November 2015 (UTC)
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I can't help but notice that, while its considered reliable here, there wasn't really any consensus of it being that. I can't find any discussions where it was agreed it was reliable. Might need to be re-evaluated. GamerPro64 15:27, 2 December 2015 (UTC)
Find video game sources: "MassivelyOP" – news · books · scholar · images – VGRS · WPVG Talk · LinkSearch · CrossWiki · LinkTo
I think we need to re-evaluate Massively due to its original iteration getting closed down in part to Joystiq shutting down. Never read the site before but it does appear the old guard writes for MassivelyOP now. They have an ethics statement which is nice. GamerPro64 23:11, 6 December 2015 (UTC)
Hello. Would a few kind editors please share their views at PlayStation 4 system software's talk page here? I'd be very grateful. There's been a bit of a protracted dispute ( History). Many, many thanks. :) Anna Frodesiak ( talk) 21:15, 28 December 2015 (UTC)
Anna Frodesiak ( talk) 22:04, 28 December 2015 (UTC)
Find video game sources: "OpenCritic" – news · books · scholar · images – VGRS · WPVG Talk · LinkSearch · CrossWiki · LinkTo
I'd like to request that OpenCritic be added to the list of Video Game review aggregators.
For the past several major releases, OpenCritic has been the fastest aggregator when posting reviews. They also have several publications included that both Metacritic and GameRankings do not have, such as Eurogamer, Rock Paper Shotgun, Kotaku, Totalbiscuit, AngryCentaurGaming, the Pittsburgh Post-Gazette, Game-Debate, Gadgets360, Paste Magazine, Pixel Dynamo, WCCFtech, GBAtemp, Examiner.com, and PCWorld. They will soon also be adding TechnoBuffalo, Ars Technica, the Reno Gazette-Journal, and IBTimes UK.
Unlike Metacritic and GameRankings, all of OpenCritic's standards for publication inclusion are completely transparent and visible on their FAQ.
Unlike Metacritic, OpenCritic does not have any weighting, and instead takes a straight average. You can see this calculation by clicking on the score orb on the game details page.
Also unlike Metacritic and GameRankings, OpenCritic includes publications that don't issue numeric verdicts, such as Eurogamer, and instead displays their textual verdict. Non-numeric publications are not included in the aggregate score.
Another point of contrast is that OpenCritic allows publications to submit revisions to their score or quotes at any time (for example, IGN just edited their Splatoon review). By combining both the ability to change scores and listing non-scoring reviews, publications are offered new flexibility. Some publications chose not to score DLC, while others may chose to wait until servers come up. In both cases, OpenCritic is able to list their reviews as non-scoring.
As a result of both public standards and a straight average, users do not need to extend any trust to the OpenCritic administrators, as everything can be verified using publicly available information.
Some random sources of praise in addition to the Google links above
To fully disclose, I am the CEO of OpenCritic. I also just want to say that I've never edited wikipedia before, despite being one of those guys that'll go around and read random things. I'm sorry if I've broken any protocol - I'm a bit nervous about submitting even this.
MattEnth ( talk) 07:12, 14 November 2015 (UTC)
A fair question on PresN's comment here: Do we agree that OpenCritic is a reliable source? In that they are basically that they are properly linking to external reviews, doing the proper grade assignments, and calculating the resulting score as they state they are doing with no hidden tricks, etc? I am not aware of any issues on this, they seem fully legit since they opened. I would definitely state that a minimum step is to add them to the WP:VG/S table as reliable in that fashion, if there are no objections. -- MASEM ( t) 22:33, 16 November 2015 (UTC)
Also as a separate comment since we have @MattEnth here: would you be interested in providing us with a freely-licensed screencap of your website once you go live with the new version? The example one you have for Fallout 4 works well (assuming it is representative) - the only gotcha in copyright are the FO4 images, but we can argue that at the resolution you have that at, those fall under de minimus (we're focused on your site's layout and not the screenshots from the game), and we could still have that freely licensed to include at the OpenCritic article. -- MASEM ( t) 22:37, 16 November 2015 (UTC)
Random comment I'd like to perhaps see, in the interest of brevity, that we establish a "One Aggregator Only" rule, with a hierarchy of which to use. If things continue to be positive, OpenCritic would be the primary aggregator. If it does not cover a particular game, Metacritic is next in line, and finally, if Metacritic doesn't have it either, GameRankings. I see almost as little purpose in our current listing of two aggregators as I would in three. On the flip side.... If we aren't going to say "One Aggregator Only", we might as well list all three (Again, assuming ultimately OpenCritic passes muster). Additional thought I'd like to see some sort of Aggregator template as well. Something similar to VG Release Date template, with a parameter for each system. A syntax similar to something like: |XONE|89|source|. Could a template programmatically determine which aggregator name to list by looking at a source URL? -- ferret ( talk) 15:01, 17 November 2015 (UTC)
Find video game sources: "Venturebeat" – news · books · scholar · images – VGRS · WPVG Talk · LinkSearch · CrossWiki · LinkTo
So, I was rather surprised to see that this wasn't on the list as reliable already, as I use it all the time, as do others, and it seems like a clear cut case for reliability. Wanted to document a discussion though:
If you look at http://venturebeat.com/about/ - and the pages that link to it, you'll see:
I don't see any issues so far. Thoughts? Sergecross73 msg me 19:45, 11 December 2015 (UTC)
Find video game sources: "Arcade Sushi" – news · books · scholar · images – VGRS · WPVG Talk · LinkSearch · CrossWiki · LinkTo
I noticed this currently being argued on List of commercial failures in video gaming with it being called a "worthless source". I've only recently come across this source with OpenCritic being a thing now so I think it should be evaluated on its reliability. GamerPro64 22:29, 5 October 2015 (UTC)
It seems ACE (Advanced Computer Entertainment) UK print magazine was never discussed before, so bringing it up. Published by Future plc and later EMAP. 55 issues from 197 to 1992 focusing on various PCs and related. Seems like tons of great retro stuff info. Internet Archive has scans available at [26] for reference. Issue 1 says the people behind used to make Personal Computer Games magazine [27]. It also describes in detail their review process/scoring [28]. Unless there's any reason against, I would say it's a reliable source by default. — HELLKNOWZ ▎ TALK
Find video game sources: "Droid Gamers" – news · books · scholar · images – VGRS · WPVG Talk · LinkSearch · CrossWiki · LinkTo
I'm currently cleaning a fairly promotional draft article ( Draft:Walking War Robots) and I'm going through the sources. Long story short, this looks to have been an article created by a game company since the review quotes were cherrypicked to be extremely positive and the article contained a lot of WP:GAMEGUIDE information to make the game more appealing. I do think that the game is likely notable, but it'd be helpful if I could guarantee that all of the sources were usable.
They do have an editorial staff, however this article wasn't written by a staff member. The review in the article is this one. On the minus side, a look for coverage about the site (ie, mentions of it elsewhere as a RS) doesn't bring up anything.
I think that this likely would be usable, but I wanted to verify this. Tokyogirl79 (。◕‿◕。) 14:54, 25 November 2015 (UTC)
Find video game sources: "Hardcore Gamer" – news · books · scholar · images – VGRS · WPVG Talk · LinkSearch · CrossWiki · LinkTo
While the magazine folded, Hardcore Gamer still has its website. However, it was only discussed once nine years ago with no actual consensus. While I think its reliable, we should actually make sure what it should be considered. GamerPro64 03:38, 16 December 2015 (UTC)
Find video game sources: "Tubefilter" – news · books · scholar · images – VGRS · WPVG Talk · LinkSearch · CrossWiki · LinkTo
This came up in the JonTron thread at WT:VG—I didn't see what made this site reliable or noteworthy (for notability). Here's its about page. I don't see anything about editorial control here and, aside from the founders, the writers do not have former industry or journalistic experience... czar 15:29, 12 December 2015 (UTC)
Find video game sources: "VNs Now!" – news · books · scholar · images – VGRS · WPVG Talk · LinkSearch · CrossWiki · LinkTo
This site is used in Break Chance Memento several times. Looks blog-like and I see no easy hallmarks of reliability. czar 20:37, 22 December 2015 (UTC)
Find video game sources: "mmogames.com" – news · books · scholar · images – VGRS · WPVG Talk · LinkSearch · CrossWiki · LinkTo
Just to clarify, mmogames.com is different from our approved MMO Games Magazine, right? It's not exactly clear from the About page—but I would suspect that they'd be clearer about the lineage if it existed. czar 16:40, 27 December 2015 (UTC)
So, generally random YouTubers and fansites are not considered reliable sources because content is self published and not curated. However, would an interview with a game developer published by YouTuber or fansite be considered fine to use on an article? There's a lot of interesting coverage on video game companies, industry people, and the development of older games in these sorts of interviews that you wouldn't really find on mainstream video game websites and magazines. As an example, MattChat is a YouTuber that has interviewed many industry veterans, it would be a great source of information for lots of articles but I'm not sure to what extent it would be usuable, if at all, on a Wikipedia article. I'm not sure how much bearing WP:SELFSOURCE/ WP:SELFPUB or it being considered a primary source has on this. -- The1337gamer ( talk) 23:00, 30 December 2015 (UTC)
Find video game sources: "AusGamers" – news · books · scholar · images – VGRS · WPVG Talk · LinkSearch · CrossWiki · LinkTo
Seen this being used on an article or two but haven't seen any discussion about it yet. They got a staff but not sure how credible they are. GamerPro64 17:33, 1 January 2016 (UTC)
Find video game sources: "Screwattack" – news · books · scholar · images – VGRS · WPVG Talk · LinkSearch · CrossWiki · LinkTo
I think we might need to reassess Screwattack. Previously their videos were allowed to be used if they were on GameTrailers. It seems they ended their partnership two years ago. Now they're part of Fullscreen and Rooster Teeth. A lot has changed for that site. GamerPro64 23:38, 19 December 2015 (UTC)
We don't need to mark sources as situational/conditional because there could potentially be some circumstance in which an experienced journalist might write a reliable piece for an otherwise unreliable publication. In those cases, the source should be marked as unreliable because all unreliable sites carry the aforementioned caveat. Calling the site situational just makes it murky for our dealings. czar 15:45, 12 December 2015 (UTC)