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Wouldn't be necessary to leave the Wii version cover art in The Legend of Zelda: Twilight Princess, or we just go for the GameCube one Talonmalon333 recently uploaded? -- HOUNDER4 ( TALK) ( CHANGES) 22:26, 8 March 2012 (UTC)
User:Ryulong has been adding more wp:game guide content to List of Persona 4 characters although it was previously discussed at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Video games/Archive 91#Persona 4's arcana that such information was not significant for the characters. Despite already reverting his edit, Ryulong once again reverted my edit and keeps adding such information. I want to avoid edit warring, but it has still happened in the past with the same user. Regards. Tintor2 ( talk) 22:48, 11 March 2012 (UTC)
Hey everybody,
I dropped by to ask for some advice. I feel that the article New Game Plus (and its content of course) should be 'new game plus' and not 'New Game Plus' and proposed a move. Wikipedians Masem and Axem Titanium (I'm sure you know them) say I'm wrong here, so if you would please join our discussion, we might come to some consensus. Please see Talk: New Game Plus#Request move. Thanks. --Soetermans. T / C 16:04, 12 March 2012 (UTC)
Hey everyone. Over at Mass Effect 3 there is a rather lively discussion going on about the use of meteoritic user reviews. It (seems) to boil down to experienced editors saying they are not RSs as they are self published, and SPAs saying they should be included. (I am simplifying some, but please take a look, I think I am being fair). We could use a few more eyes there. Thanks everyone. Dbrodbeck ( talk) 13:22, 13 March 2012 (UTC)
Thanks everyone! Dbrodbeck ( talk)
Is Game Nostalgia considere a reliable source? -- Khanassassin ☪ 15:45, 7 March 2012 (UTC)
Thanks. If you would check, you will note that GN states as much sources as much as possible. See the recently added info on Revolution Software [2] — Preceding unsigned comment added by Gamnos ( talk • contribs) 16:47, 7 March 2012 (UTC) Added: and if there are no sources, the info is checked by the designers (emails available), and they aren't unhappy with it, see recently the bio of Steve Ince, mentioned at his Facebook page [3]. If GN should improve something in this respect, just drop a line.
I understand what you mean, but "the other stuff probably isn't" is a bit of guessing. As said, often facts are being checked by the original designers (by email), and so the features, or parts of the facts about games, bio's, credits etc. include - besides sources - direct info from the persons involved. It would be a bit strange to include their emails on the site. But as said, I understand what you mean, and it is OK with me (and others). — Preceding unsigned comment added by Gamnos ( talk • contribs) 21:46, 7 March 2012 (UTC)
I recently added this screenshot. It has been nominated for deletion because it is suggested that it doesn't provide contextual significance. I wrote a caption that includes the locomotive which is mentioned in the article. Shouldn't the article have a screenshot and isn't it appropriate? - Shiftchange ( talk) 13:56, 13 March 2012 (UTC)
On March 14th, Ultima Underworld: The Stygian Abyss will be on Today's Featured Article. GamerPro64 20:32, 13 March 2012 (UTC)
An anon has been creating Hal Emmerich, Liquid Snake and Meryl Silverburgh but the first two articles are basically empty while the third is completely unsourced. Despite reintegration to the characters list by another user and me, the anon keeps adding them insisting others to add the content to the articles. Regards. Tintor2 ( talk) 17:25, 28 February 2012 (UTC)
Read what I just wrote at Talk:List of Tekken characters. 2 more cents:
And that's all folks. Now, start being contructive, by contributing to the articles instead of being needlessly obstructive (literally). -- 194.145.185.229 ( talk) 13:46, 29 February 2012 (UTC)
Also as of the claim of "the fact that the talk page discussion started just after the empty articles were created" - see: Talk:List of characters in the Metal Gear series#Is it possible to separate Sniper Wolf?. But yeah, there was no discussion. Because no one answered my very clear and polite questions. SIX MONTHS AGO. So, who was "discussing", and who was "not discussing", again? I'll tell you: it was me who who was discussing (and not only in this section, I then posted 2 more additional sections in this talk page, there were also 0 answers, until yesterday). The problem: I was the only one disscussing. And now that's really all about it. -- 194.145.185.229 ( talk) 13:59, 29 February 2012 (UTC)
That definition is the core of WP:N. - what definition?? And please give me the link to policy/guides to back this weird claim: "Also, we generally don't use simply inclusion in lists like "top 10 couples"" - this is just shocking for me, I always thought it's the most important thing (and I think Kung Fu Man at Talk:Lili (Tekken) also demanded just that)! I don't even know what to say, I'm quite speechless now. -- 194.145.185.229 ( talk) 14:41, 29 February 2012 (UTC)
Oh yes, he did! I cleaned up the reception a lot...some of it was from unreliable sources, but even then most was basically saying the same thing over and over again. Still, with that said there's at least a small start here...but you direly need character reception to show notability. Hasn't she appeared on any "top ten" lists at all on reliable sites?--Kung Fu Man (talk) 15:46, 9 October 2011 (UTC) - funny, huh? -- 194.145.185.229 ( talk) 14:43, 29 February 2012 (UTC)
What "other sources"? And where does it say that "just the lists" are NOT "significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subject"? You claim that multiple lists (and that's hardly definitive list of reception, just the stuff that I came by accidentally, over the course of few last months) is not enough - and how do you back it up? And anyway why won't YOU make it any better, didn't you see the "expand section" tag that I posted? Do you believe I should do eveything myself, start with a complete article (than why Wikipedia has even all these templates for the stub articles?), only for you to mercifully allow me to (re)create an article according to your own subjective understanding of what allegedly is and what is not enough of a "significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subject", all while calling the media outlets to be "fan sites and such", among other elitist and dismissive approach towards me and my work, selectively singling out all the restored articles for reverts before anyone (and that's including both me and you) had even a chance to improve them? Please cease your obstructive activity at once. -- 194.145.185.229 ( talk) 17:09, 6 March 2012 (UTC)
I think what we need to do is establish what exactly meets character notability once and for all, because across the board we have many articles that are either propped up on gameplay critique, or not enough actual statements from third-party sources to support them, and then from there take it by a case-by-case basis. The Ficitonal Character project exists in part for this, but it's been...quite dead lately. But with as many articles as we have, having some groundwork before a cleaver starts tearing through things would help.-- Kung Fu Man ( talk) 20:53, 29 February 2012 (UTC)
Video game characters already have the most draconic notability restrictions in the whole Wikipedia!!
Just look around at most comic book characters - they have no reception sections at all. For example, I just randomly clicked on the first character on the list of X-Men in their navbox, Angel - and here you go. Followed by Anole (allegedly, a "good article"!), Ariel, Armor, Aurora (and so on, that was just the letter A for the X-Men characters). Whatever "sourced impact in the real world" are they having? And only one of them has even any resemblance of "reception" section - the one that is a "good article" (it's "reception and sexuality", for being, gasp, gay or something), and it's citing mostly, or even exclusively... the primary sources (comics themselves).
And that's normal elsewhere, only the video game community is ever obsessed to restrict themselves more and more, which excuse me but it is just pretty crazy.
Why won't you wait for everyone on Wikipedia to catch up with us here, before setting even strictier standards for ourselves, again? Most video game characters have been purged about 4 years ago (which had upset me at a time, but it was a good thing for developing the unprecented level of quality as we're having now). Then I think some anime characters were also merged, but not on this scale (for example: I've seen several dozen of character articles from some super-obscure anime that were created in 2006 and never, ever, updated since then, they're all tagged with "unsourced" and "notability" tags for years, and that's it). But that's all.
The comic characters were never purged (as I just demonstrated to you: all reccurring characters have their pages, not even these really famous). Just the category "Marvel Comics superheroes" has 1,013 articles in the main category, "Category:DC Comics superheroes" has 782 in the main category, and so on. In total, that's thousands of comic book character articles only counting the superheroes and supervillains ("Category:DC Comics supervillains": 718, and so on). There's of course also a plenty of non-supers. And look at their "good articles" that are often worse than our regular articles.
But that's comics, so what about the novel books? I checked "Category:Characters in American novels of the 20th century" (very specific one), and I clicked on the very first one, and so there is David "Noodles" Aaronson - zero sources, but of course. The next ones in the row being: Genco Abbandando (1 source), Achren (0 sources), Kay Adams-Corleone (1 unreliable source, the IMDb), Nick Adams (1 source), Alain Johns (1 source, primary), Achilles Alexandrakis (0 sources), and so on - all having oh so-excellently proven "sourced impact in the real world", right? Are they having "*strong* reception and development sections as their basis"? No, of course not (and not even "weak reception and development sections as their basis"): most of literature character articles (also thousands of them) are actually worse even than the comic characters, because are not even citing the primary sources. Most often they're not citing anything at all. And nobody even tags them for unreferenced, or notability, or as stubs or anything else - that's just their de-facto standards, that will continue.
And that's like that for all/most of the other fiction.
Except of video games, where, once again, there are standards. And these standards are already set extremely high. And so there are only less than 400 video game characters, in total, including villains, including everything, in the most popular entertainment of today (much more than the comics, rivaling the film industry, but of course you know it). But, for you even that is still too many? What you want to achieve - to make it just (say) the 40 very top video game characters with "sourced impact in the real world", as compared to all the 4,000 or so comic book supers and 40,000 (any number) non-video game characters, elsewhere? Why? You think that would be an improvement, somehow? Such a very selective approach to anything will not make Wikipedia any better. And no, it's not any "other stuff exists". It's "we're already way ahead of the de-facto Wikipedia standards, and that's for a long time, right now, and for an indefinite future too". That's the reality. And as such you should be very proud of yourselves, instead of this samokritika session going on for not being udarnik enough (speaking in communist terms). Now come on and congratule each other, and chill down a bit.
And now that you've seen other character articles, go and check out just almost any existing video game character of Wikipedia - and even my stubs that you redirected (without a consensus, because I for one disagree, and without an objectively good reason), but that were already better sourced than most fictional character articles around, and with better proven notability than the vast majority of them - even being just still quick stubs. You will see that my vastly incomplete (note all the expand, update and refmore tags that I've posted there) Meryl's article is already much better than, I estimate, at least 95% of all fictional character articles on Wikipedia! And that's including video game characters, because these are so few in number.
So, unless all the rest of Wikipedia gets even remotely close to our current stanards (and they are far to even the video game Wikia standards), we should not estabilish the ones for video games only. I don't say to lose our existing current standards, that I adhere to and promote all the time, I just say to uphold them. And by this I mean to rid of the still long-standing crap articles (objectively - no reception whatsoever, you know) such as Edward Carnby, Augustus Sinclair and John MacTavish (and yes I did talk about them to both Kung Fu Man and Tintor2, but they just flatly refused to touch them because they got tired of merging stuff - and thta's some serious double standards, for me and everyone else, even if my work is so much better - and I just bring them once again), which might be actually okay according to normal Wikipedia standards (heck, they would be even actually well above most of non-videogame character articles), but NOT according to our standards, among the gamers. Once again, these standards are already set very, very high, and I hope you got it now.
And about these exclusive standards we have, as I understand them, in a sensible way - my understanding, and my work here, is just merging the crap stuff like Isaac Clarke (really, if I didn't insist, this article would be still online - and its author even kept reverting my repeated attempts to improve this article!), but re-creating the long-due articles on actually notable characters, such as, to name just a few, Pac-Man (character), Dogmeat, Dark Queen (Battletoads) and Avatar (Ultima) (a creature, a dog, a chick, and a dude) - and somehow no one has ever complained about it before. But that's because there was nothing to complain and you're trying to create some artifictial "problems", and not only for me but for all of us. We are the Wikipedia's vanguard! But no one's following, so stop.
And so now revert your obstructive work on the MGS 'and Tekken characters (the latest ones, such as Julia Chang, because the previous Tekken splits such as Anna Williams (Tekken) have been left alone - I see you guys suddenly obssessing over all my work everywhere, but selectively just the most recent, because it was all good for looong time before you suddenly woke up and dogpiled me for some reason), assume good faith, and start the constructive edits on them.
If you want to answer me about it, or make a comment, first read what I wrote once again. -- 194.145.185.229 ( talk) 17:16, 6 March 2012 (UTC)
I told you twice to not bring "other stuff exists", and yet you did it also twice. How many times should I repeat: video game characters standards are now EXCULUSIVELY extremely strict already, for years. There are less than 400 video game characters right now, and for you this is too many. But, at the same time, there are more than 1,400 DC Comics superheroes and supervillains alone. For many years. And there are no guarantees it won't remain this way for many years to come, or forever. And you're NOT doing anything about it. Once again: what good it will be to have just, say, 40 game characters and 40 THOUSAND non-game characters? Why won't you wait until the rest of Wikipedia caches up with our standards BEFORE estabilishing the new standards as the vanguard of Wikipedia?
I also told you: I didn't plan to make featured or even good articles there. Over 99% of the stuff in Wikipedia is neither. And people everywhere are NOT usually shooting down the stubs on sight. Only here. -- 194.145.185.229 ( talk) 12:29, 7 March 2012 (UTC)
I'm trying to promote the ideas in the WP:SNOWFLAKE essay at AfDs and policy pages. In this context it basically says "keep the character as an stub if someone cared to write about it, merge to a list article if all references are primary"; the specific criterion to make the test is commentary from professional critics. This is basically consistent with the opinion of the named editors in this thread, that articles like those would be better moved to Wikia; but I'd love to hear what the IP editor thinks of this outcome and the guideline. Diego ( talk) 16:47, 7 March 2012 (UTC)
I'm just going to chime in and even if this point has been made, I'll be making it again: it's not a matter of Draconian restrictions, it's a matter of editors who care more about these elements of their articles' quality. Video game characters receive more scrutiny than most other mediums' characters, which means that we are going to have to be a lot stricter. Be proud that you are in a project that cares~! - New Age Retro Hippie (talk) (contributions) 05:46, 9 March 2012 (UTC)
I told to read what I wrote repeatedly until you understand. It's all addressed there. For example:
NO, this what I actually wrote:
So, read it again, until you'll understand what I wrote, and only then start commenting. -- 194.145.185.229 ( talk) 17:49, 13 March 2012 (UTC)
Oh and as for:
Go and demand to all the stubs eveywhere be disallowed (instead of actually ancouraged), seuceed in this, then come back. -- 194.145.185.229 ( talk) 17:54, 13 March 2012 (UTC)
I've nominated Armaroli Sim Racing World Cup for deletion. You are more than welcome to contribute to the deletion discussion. Readro ( talk) 16:53, 15 March 2012 (UTC)
Is there currently an issue with GameRankings' site? Whenever I try to check game's score like this one, I just have "The Ranking" and below several advertisings. The reviews are available though by going to the reviews part. Regards. Tintor2 ( talk) 01:32, 16 March 2012 (UTC)
In case this isn't already cited in the appropriate places: http://arxiv.org/pdf/1203.1895v1.pdf has some new complexity theoretic results for a number of classic games including Super Mario Bros, Pokemon, and Legend of Zelda. Many are NP-complete and some are PSPACE-complete. 67.117.144.57 ( talk) 11:03, 16 March 2012 (UTC)
Can anyone who knows Japanese (or knows the CERO icons) tell me what this icon means? I believe it is the "no rating" icon, but I'd like to make sure. :) Salvidrim! 13:59, 16 March 2012 (UTC)
In an article for Rocky for PS2 I mentioned that the Angry Video Game Nerd mentioned several of the glitches on his show but my information was taken down saying that the Wikipedia Video Games Project doesn't allow AVGN information and that it was considered spam.
It that accurate or was that person a troll? Because I don't see why you wouldn't deny any videogame information especially if it's true. I mean I know AVGN is crude but I did not mention any vulgarity of any kind. Dartpaw86 ( talk) 23:30, 16 March 2012 (UTC)Dartpaw86
??? I did not give any information that he stated on his show. All I said was that it was featured on his show, which it was. How is that not a reliable fact? Dartpaw86 ( talk) 00:55, 17 March 2012 (UTC)Dartpaw86
I just checked that link and AVGN isn't listed in unreliable sources. Someone should fix that? Dartpaw86 ( talk) 01:16, 17 March 2012 (UTC)Dartpaw86
Never mind, he was listed in "Other" which I missed. Dartpaw86 ( talk) 01:17, 17 March 2012 (UTC)Dartpaw86
I'd like a review done, please! I believe it is not a stub anymore and should at least be a starter-class article. Thanks! -- J (t) 01:52, 20 March 2012 (UTC)
Hi. I have been working on Revolution Software-related articles (currently, the first three [Broken Sword]]s are GAs), and I've recently nominated Lure of the Temptress for GA. Could someone please review it? All the Best, Khanassassin ☪ 08:44, 20 March 2012 (UTC)
Anyone guys, sources for River Raid ? I'm looking for release date verification and some review. Thanks in advance, Sir Lothar ( talk) 19:26, 20 March 2012 (UTC)
See: Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Deletion_sorting#Proposed_split:_Video_games_from_Games. Short version: No objections to tracking VG deletions separately from non-VG game deletions, since the VG stuff has swamped the games deletion sorting and the VG project has its own project-internal deletion sorting page. Proposed moving that page to an official delsort page. — SMcCandlish Talk⇒〈°⌊°〉 Contribs. 01:01, 18 February 2012 (UTC)
I'm trying to nab the review score for Soft & Cuddly from the Spanish magazine MicroHobby here, except when I zoom in I can't even make out the words under the scores. I'd need to translate them anyway. I assume that the right-hand score is the overall mark, but don't want put that in the article without knowing for sure. Can anyone help? Someone another 19:35, 21 March 2012 (UTC)
Hello everyone! I'm from China, and I want to write a massively multiplayer online music video game article, but I don't know how to write the article like this genre. So is here some example article (Like FA, GA or B-class article) I can follow? If not, can you tell me what I should write into the passage? Thank you!-- 铁铁的火大了 ( talk) 11:57, 17 March 2012 (UTC)
I wanted to get some thoughts on two things
Thanks to all in advance. Redredryder ( talk) 03:17, 20 March 2012 (UTC)
I am planning on eventually taking Portal 2 to FAC, though I'm waiting for its promised patch/map editor to be released as this is anticipated to be the last major update to the article.
That said, the P2 article is LONG, at nearly 250 refs and probably tickling the 100k of non-markup text size issue. We've already shuffled off the major character sections and the music to separate articles, but now the question of moving anything else out from this is there. I know that there is one case of a development section being separated (for Elder Scrolls IV) has been done, but I don't think that works well here.
Instead, and the opinion I seek here, is that I'm thinking of creating some article, name not yet known, to cover the ancillary market aspects of Portal 2, and in this case, Portal as well. That would pull in, as currently listed, the ARGs, "The Final Hours of P2", the Lab Rat comic, and then probably some other things such as the Mari0 game, some of the notable Portal mods, some of the highly-received Portal films, and others. Because this goes beyond just officially licensed media, it's not just a "franchise" here. I'm struggling with some name of the article ("Media of the Portal series"?) and if this is a reasonable way to trim down the game article without harming its comprehension. -- MASEM ( t) 17:09, 21 March 2012 (UTC)
MegaTraveller 1: The Zhodani Conspiracy was recently expanded to include a number of references to various print publications. These publications range in length from two pages (game reviews) to over a hundred pages (game user manual). Citations were split between a "Notes" and a "References" section because in-line citations frequently referenced different pages from the same publication. However, a discussion subsequently took place on the Talk suggesting instead that I "should make one ref use a {cite} template and simply use it in-line wherever you're sourcing from it, instead of unassigned references and a slew of "notes."
Using the suggested {cite} template method certainly would condense the citation section considerably. But if all citations referencing the same publication were condensed using the {cite} template into a single reference, information about which page(s) is being referenced in a specific citation would be lost. That strikes me as being contrary to Wikipedia general citation policy. Wikipedia:Citing_sources#Journal_articles states:
Citations for journal articles typically include the name of the author(s), the year and sometimes month of publication, the title of the article (within quotation marks), the name of the journal (in italics), the volume number, issue number and page number....Inline citations usually also include specific page numbers, as described above for books.
I also came across this on Template:Rp: "Featured Article and sometimes even Good Article review generally insist upon specific facts being cited with specific page numbers."
Moreover, it seems to me that it enhances WP:V when specific facts are directly associated with the specific page numbers on which those facts may be verified.
So my question is this: Should Wikipedia's general guideline that 'specific facts be cited with specific page numbers' be strictly adhered to when citing brief video game reviews from print publications, or are VG articles a situation when the exception to the rule is preferable to strict adherence to the general rule ( WP:IAR)?
Again, there's more background discussion which led up to my question on this Talk page. -- Mike Agricola ( talk) 21:24, 23 March 2012 (UTC)
I am having problem at Wikipedia:Featured list candidates/List of The Simpsons video games/archive1 why the list needs to be improved and to have the list in chronological order like the other video game FLs. Can someone help explain how that's standard for VG video game lists? GamerPro64 02:07, 24 March 2012 (UTC)
There's a disagreement at Talk:All your base are belong to us#More accurate English translation about the need to list a sample of sentences from the video game cutscenes. There are three possibilities being suggested:
The existence and contents of the table have been debated several times through the years at the talk page. Please join in to help achieve a strong consensus. Diego ( talk) 11:32, 25 March 2012 (UTC)
While i was browsing through the Monster Hunter related articles i have not found a lit that provides a short (a paragraph long ) description of the monster its colors and any subspecies it might have. I mean monsters are vital to the franchise so i thought there would have been a page for something like that-- Deviljho12 ( talk) 16:24, 26 March 2012 (UTC)
Currently we have only one article on the classic game/series Cannon Fodder. It's a series article but is heavily biased towards the first game. I want to give the first game its own article and was wondering where to put the content I'm writing. Start a new article (titled what?) or rewrite and split of the current article? The current one is at Cannon Fodder (video game), though bizarrely Cannon Fodder just redirects there (it was moved recently, perhaps because of Cannon fodder i.e. the military term). I'd probably be inclined to replace the redirect with new content on the first game and move the current article to "Cannon Fodder series". Any ideas? bridies ( talk) 18:29, 26 March 2012 (UTC)
It now seems to be tacit consensus that compilations, collections and HD remakes need to be able to support themselves regarding article content i.e. just existing as a compilation or a HD version on its own is not enough notability. I came across this article this morning ( Capcom Digital Collection) and felt that it needed nominating for deletion, as it falls into the criteria mentioned above. I was looking through WP:VG/GL in order to point to the appropriate guideline in the Prod notice, only to find we don't have an explicit guideline. We have a Remakes section but that doesn't really cover compilations. Does anyone have any objections to the addition of compilations to that section/text? Opinions? - X201 ( talk) 08:14, 28 March 2012 (UTC)
Sorry for not being around to chip-in, but you've got to the point of my post, which was basically "at what point does a compilation title reach the point where it should have it own article" and what should be done with articles that don't reach that threshold. I think we need something added to the guidelines (perhaps with examples) so that there is a consensus for people to point to. The number of compilation/remake articles arriving at AFD is increasing and it would be helpful to be able to point to a consensus guideline so that an article could be measured against it. - X201 ( talk) 12:34, 29 March 2012 (UTC)
I'm currently trying to take Cave Story through GA and hopefully FA. I know that it was originally released as freeware. Does this mean that screenshots of the freeware PC version are considered free (or CC/GPL-compatible)? Also, does anyone know what exact license the original game was released under? I've only been able to find it listed as "freeware" and that's it. Thanks, Axem Titanium ( talk) 18:48, 29 March 2012 (UTC)
Hey all, my article at FAC, Bastion, is nearing the bottom of the list with only two supports- if anyone could come by and review the article so that it doesn't get archived for lack of response, I'd be much obliged. ( nomination) I'd be remiss, though, if I didn't mention that Axem Titanium's Capcom Five is second from the bottom at FAC with three supports, and though it's had some activity today it could really use some reviews as well. ( nomination) -- Pres N 00:25, 20 March 2012 (UTC)
Is it essential to replace a screenshot for Metroid Prime Hunters? I assume that a current screenshot has graphical detail that does not represent to those from the final version, especially with Spire's cannon. Hounder4 ( Talk) 16:51, 28 March 2012 (UTC)
Hey folks, I don't normally worry about templates but I could really use one for lists within Category:Video games by theme like List of dragon video games and List of horror video games (didn't even know that existed, it's currently not linked by anything). I'm not sure what parameters should be in it but I was thinking one for lists about a certain type of character (vampire games, dragon games etc) and then.. the rest. Any ideas/help with this please? Someone another 23:50, 31 March 2012 (UTC)
Hi,
Relatively new Wikipedian here. I am a very big enthusiast of games made by Bethesda and I noticed that the task force on The Elder Scrolls is currently marked as inactive. Could I offer to create a new task force dedicated to Bethesda games and merge TES task force into it? I'm looking for a place to start, and I thought this would sound promising.
Please reply back with any thoughts on this, and if it gets the 'Ok' to go ahead then I will start the necessary pages.
Makhram"The Maniac" talk 23:22, 3 April 2012 (UTC)
GameSpot just put out a great article on game patents. Find it here. This is especially nice because patent images are in public domain! The games covered in this article are:
If anyone has been working/taking care of these articles, this is an easy, valuable addition. Axem Titanium ( talk) 01:36, 4 April 2012 (UTC)
Cheers to the first ever video game engine GA: Virtual Theatre :) -- Khanassassin ☪ 12:22, 4 April 2012 (UTC)
Seeking more opinions on Talk:Star Wars: The Old Republic#Edit request on 4 April 2012. A representative of the site wikiswtor.com is seeking guidance on how ELNO has been applied towards the exclusion of wikiswtor.com but continued inclusion of Wikia's SWTOR project. While I believe the SWTOR project on Wikia would probably survive, I'm not particularily vested in it. Seeking some more input beyond myself, SudoGhost, and KingDMS, as we seem to just be rehashing our positions at this point. -- ferret ( talk) 18:25, 5 April 2012 (UTC)
Awhile ago I seem to remember Muzemike suggesting we should re-assess our stubs in case some have since been improved. At the time I didn't think it was an issue and said as much, but there seem to be several stub or start class articles which need re-assessing. Would it be possible to set up some kind of list where we can go through them? In particular, now that one of the project's stated goals is to get 10% of article to C-class or higher, we're going to have problems with the number being diluted if we don't keep up with articles that have been improved. Sorry Muzemike :( Is there any interest in this, or is it possible at all? Someone another 18:26, 5 April 2012 (UTC)
I think I have mentioned this quite some time ago, as there are quite a few stubs that are likely no longer stubs and Start-Class articles that probably should be stubs. I fully support such a drive to make sure the correct articles are properly tagged as stubs so that we have a more accurate portrayal of the amount of stubs in the project. Another thing we could also be reassessing at the same time is stub categories. I have noticed that a few stub categories are underpopulated and may either 1) need to be populated, 2) upmerged, or 3) deleted. They shouldn't be so large that they are virtually unmanageable to work on, and they shouldn't be so small that they are virtually irrelevant. -- MuZemike 20:17, 6 April 2012 (UTC)
The 1st Quarter WP:VG newsletter is about as ready as it is to be released, though it is running late as it is. We do not currently have a Featured Editor or any significant announcements or discussion over the past quarter that I have observed. Does anyone have anything to add in before I put it in the actual newsletter and send it out with my bot? -- MuZemike 20:11, 6 April 2012 (UTC)
Letting everyone know that Turok: Dinosaur Hunter will be on Today's Featured Article on April 13th. Also, Friday the 13th is tomorrow! GamerPro64 15:22, 12 April 2012 (UTC)
This one is simple. I have noticed that several of the sources designated on the checklist as RS, Situational, or Non-RS have actually never been discussed in the normal discussion pages (WT:VG, WT:VG/S or WT:RS/N, etc.) Since the checklist is supposed to present consensus-based designations and since there's also been no objection to the un-discussed sources, I am assuming that most of them probably have been discussed and that the designations are accurate. So I propose that we discuss any objections to the current designation all at once in a single thread I started here. If there are no objections to the current designations (which have been in place for many months or years in many cases), then I think we can apply WP:SILENCE and assume that their designations should remain unchanged. Thanks in advance for considering the sources listed in the thread. - Thibbs ( talk) 02:21, 14 April 2012 (UTC)
I have become involved in a rather awkward and uncomfortable discussion on a forum with someone over whether or not HAL Laboratory should be viewed as a first party company or a second party company. I cited IGN - [5] and he has cited the HAL Laboratory article. To clarify, the article originally read second party, but was changed for unknown reasons to first party; I have recently changed it back to second party, with the IGN source. He may or may not be participating in this discussion, and if he does, will likely argue that my edits were in bad faith and/or vandalism. So if anyone could provide their input on the matter, that would be great. - New Age Retro Hippie (talk) (contributions) 03:54, 16 April 2012 (UTC)
Several IPs 98.164.126.212 and 98.164.116.249 has removed "survival horror" from the article on Resident Evil: Revelations, claiming that the game is a "third person shooter" only since it is " now much more focused on action and shooting", making the two genres " cancel each other out". Like most games of the series, it is still a survival horror game even if it has a focus on "action and shooting". I really don't want to edit war here. Hounder4 ( Talk) 19:22, 16 April 2012 (UTC)
They cancel each other out according to who? And if that was the case then the Anon. should have removed both since that's what 'cancelling each other out' actually means, not keeping one and removing the other. There are several sources stating that this particular game harks back to the original REs, more so than 4 and 5, so picking on this particular example is an odd thing to do anyway. If they don't explain themselves then there's no case to answer. Someone another 15:24, 17 April 2012 (UTC)
I'm wondering if someone could provide another set of eyes at Talk:PlaneShift (video game)#Primary sources and scope of article. Am I out of line here? I'm worried that a relatively obscure game/article will slip under the radar, and I'd like some input, either for or against my comments. Wyatt Riot ( talk) 05:29, 18 April 2012 (UTC)
I've recently been trying to go through the Checklist at WP:VG/S to concretely nail down WP:VG's stance on the usability of the listed sources in order to enhance clarity. In some cases I've found as many as 12 prior discussions on a source and still there has been no official determination as to its reliability. I'm currently presenting cases for the 9 most frequently-discussed of the no-consensus sources from the first third of the checklist (alphabetically covering sources A-G) at WP:VG/S. I've also presented the case for another source that has never been discussed just to bring the total to a round 10.
Considering how many discussions have occurred over some of these sources in the past it's time a solid determination was finally made. Please weigh in here even if it's just to make a simple up-or-down vote. Thanks for your help. - Thibbs ( talk) 05:59, 22 March 2012 (UTC)
Finished. I've now linked up all 1000+ sources listed in the WP:VG/S Checklist and I've added an additional 11 sources to be discussed (alphabetically covering O-Z). These 28 (total) sources represent the most commonly discussed of the non-consensus sources, and so presumably they are the most commonly used and/or disputed sources that still have not been given WP:VG's official stamp of approval or rejection. For obvious reasons, these are the most important items to deal with on the checklist.
We've now had 6 people responding to 1 or more of these presentations, with some of you having responded to as many as 9 of the discussions. Thanks to all of you who have helped out so far! And again I urge those of you who have not yet participated to weigh in. My efforts in this exercise have been to present what I understand to be the existing state of consensus regarding the sources based on past discussions (some as old as 2007). So even if someone has no opinions to share regarding the reliability based on the evidence, please at least review my conclusion regarding prior or emergent consensus as this will legitimize my determination. I have done my level best to plumb the discussion archives to uncover all commentary on each source and I'm very open to different interpretations of the prior consensus so please don't be shy. Rather than waiting to express your view on these commonly-discussed sources as an involved editor during a heated content dispute, I'd request that everyone participate in the discussion now as a rational and uninvolved editor. By my last count there are 648 editors watching this page. My minimal goal is to have at least 1% of the page watchers respond to my call, so I need at least 1 more person to take the plunge. If I can't reach this goal, I'll cry. :) - Thibbs ( talk) 16:34, 3 April 2012 (UTC)
Could I get some feedback on Talk:Piplup, Prinplup, and Empoleon? The article has only a few good sources, and even those do not address the topic well enough for notability. I would just merge it, but I think the article creator might protest without me showing a consensus. Blake ( Talk· Edits) 14:34, 20 April 2012 (UTC)
Hey VG members. There's a discussion at the Civilization V talk page here asking whether a list or table of the playable civilizations should be included in the article (essentially, whether such a list is gamecruft. Would any of you like to give your opinion? Thanks, Ed [talk] [majestic titan] 11:29, 7 March 2012 (UTC)
I first commented on that discussion in November 2010! Who re-animated the corpse? - X201 ( talk) 11:35, 7 March 2012 (UTC)
Civilization | Civilization | Civilization II | Civilization III | Civilization IV | Civilization Revolution | Civilization V |
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Americans | Yes | Yes | Yes | Yes | Yes | Yes |
Aztecs | Yes | Yes | Yes | Yes | Yes | Yes |
Babylonians | Yes | Yes | No | Yes | No | Yes |
The discussion involves several articles( Civilization II, Civilization III, Civilization III: Play the World, Civilization III: Conquests, Civilization IV, Civilization IV: Warlords, Civilization IV: Beyond the Sword, Civilization IV: Colonization, Civilization Revolution, Civilization V, and Civilization V: Gods & Kings). It's not so much who re-animated the corpse as it's been ongoing for well over a year now. It's looking very unlikely that a consensus is going to be reached on Talk:Civilization V#Removal of tables of Civilizations. With a new expansion announced it has the potential to get out of hand again (edit warring) so some more outside opinions would be appreciated in hopes of finally stopping the debate. I'm going to add a VG Discussion link to that talk page redirecting here as well (also, hope you don't mind me editing the topic name of this to make the link a bit more specific than "question"). Flygongengar ( talk) 22:53, 7 March 2012 (UTC)
Like in Mario Kart, this kind of table belongs in the general article: Civilization (series), which compares the different Civ games in one table. As for the individual articles of Civ, Civ II, Civ III, etc. -- they do not need their own tables displaying the Civs and their attributes. KyuuA4 ( Talk:キュウ) 21:16, 8 March 2012 (UTC)
Consider Megaman games, such as Mega Man X (video game) and Mega_Man_2. None of the Mega Man games have tables for the Robot Masters and the weapons Megaman acquires from them. Based on this pattern, Civ games should not have a table dedicated towards Civs and their attributes. KyuuA4 ( Talk:キュウ) 23:14, 7 March 2012 (UTC)
I may be wrong here, but wouldn't leaving a table with just the civilizations fall under WP:PLOTSUM and wouldn't have to be cited? Ed [talk] [majestic titan] 23:12, 9 March 2012 (UTC)
In order for the (Civ, Civ II, Civ III, and so on) articles to move forward. This situation must be resolved. To parallel with other games, like Mario Kart, Megaman, Mario games, their main articles like Civilization (series) do have a table summarizing inclusion or exclusion of playable characters and civs. Those tables function as summaries. That is fine. However, the individual articles (Mario Kart, Megaman, Mario games) do not have lists and tables for playable characters which includes other attributes such as abilities, skills, and other special attributes. Therefore, for the Civ games, the individual tables must not be included in Civ, Civ II, Civ III, and so on, per WP:GAMEGUIDE. It is time to follow the examples of other games in order to press forward with the Civilization articles. Otherwise, this argument will come up again. KyuuA4 ( Talk:キュウ) 00:55, 12 March 2012 (UTC)
I'm just going to comment that your argument is completely flawed. It is completely irrelevant if Mario Kart, Megaman, Mario games have or don't have tables in their individual articles. One can counter this by pointing to a ton of videogame articles that do contain lists or tables on their individual pages such as articles in the MvC series, the Tekken series, the Street Fighter series, Total War series (look at Total War: Shogun 2, I see a list of the 9 factions with descriptions of how they differ--is this more "acceptable" because it's in list and not table form?), blah, blah, blah WP:OTHERSTUFF. Even your examples are weak; there's no list of Robot Masters because playable characters could be argued to have more notability than non playable ones, the Mario games rarely feature different playable characters outside of aesthetic difference. I have no problem with wanting to settle the current debate and requesting a vote but please when doing so, put forward an actual argument and not, but this other page doesn't have it, especially when it's not universal across all gaming articles. Flygongengar ( talk) 23:40, 12 March 2012 (UTC)
Table or not, all of the civilizations need to be included in each article. Ed [talk] [majestic titan] 06:51, 13 March 2012 (UTC)
It doesn't matter what is or isn't in other articles. As they stand the list of Civs in the Civilisation articles goes against the WP:NOTGUIDE policy. I repeat policy. So unless there is some exceptional reason why the policy should be ignored and WP:IAR implemented, they have to go. None of the arguments for inclusion have compelled me to back their cause. And as it stands, there is no notability in the list of Civs, its just a list of playable characters and their in-game abilities. - X201 ( talk) 11:30, 13 March 2012 (UTC)
I think this discussion needs winding up. - X201 ( talk) 11:31, 8 April 2012 (UTC)
A user moved SimCity (2013 video game) to SimCity (2013 computer game) over the weekend with the edit summary "See WP:NAME", I moved it back stating our consensus that article should not use "computer game" as a disambiguation term ( WP:NCVG - "In addition never use "(computer game)" or "(computer gaming)" for any disambig even if the article is exclusively about a PC-related topic.") and left a note on the user's talk page explaining why. The user has moved it back, again with the edit summary "See WP:NAME", no response to my entry on their talk page. Can someone else please chip in before this turns into a move war. - X201 ( talk) 08:04, 16 April 2012 (UTC)
Simcity often later releases games for other media devices after development of the original product. Perhaps we shall someday see SimCity (2014 Xbox game), SimCity (2096 Neural network game), etc. For now, this page is not a disambig page, and its only a computer game, so I'm not quite sure what a "disambig" page has to do with anything. JamaUtil ( talk) 15:25, 16 April 2012 (UTC)
The article has now been moved to SimCity (2013 PC game). As you all know WP:VG only disambiguates by platform if its a platform specific remake. This new move is now starting to look like a deliberate attempt to flout guidelines and Wikilawyer the article to any disambiguation other than (video game) which the user seems to have a problem with. What would be the best plan of action to resolve this? A requested move debate, or just try and get it cleared up in the current RFD? either way I think we need admins involved. Thanks in advance for any advice. - X201 ( talk) 08:02, 18 April 2012 (UTC)
Just for archive purposes - The article was moved back to SimCity (2013 video game). It has 11 (eleven) different redirects, plus a new one that appeared shortly after the RFD close and move. We can keep the historic ones (SimCity5 etc), I've fixed some of the unhelpful ones and will RFD them. - X201 ( talk) 08:57, 25 April 2012 (UTC)
Baldur's Gate: Enhanced Edition uses "@TrentOster Twitter" extensively as a source, but we have no links to verify this, and I'm sure his Twitter page is changing constantly. Is there a way to fix this? 129.33.19.254 ( talk) 22:25, 24 April 2012 (UTC)
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can be used to link individual tweets once you know its id.
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♠talk 09:17, 25 April 2012 (UTC)I want to move the Talk page archives for Console role-playing game and Computer role-playing game (now archived at Talk:Role-playing video game) to Talk:History of Eastern role-playing video games and Talk:History of Western role-playing video games, respectively. However, this is a complicated task. In particular, I am confused as to what happened during these edits by User:JohnnyMrNinja: [6], [7]. It seems some discussion topics were removed, and others added. Where did the old stuff go to, and where did the new stuff come from? Also, could someone assist me and walk me through the moves? SharkD Talk 00:46, 27 April 2012 (UTC)
I've created your new archives with the threads that originally belonged to Console role-playing game and Computer role-playing game. -- ferret ( talk) 01:31, 27 April 2012 (UTC)
There are disputes regarding on God of War (series) and God of War: Chains of Olympus between User:JDC808 and User:Bluerim (JDC's comments are in the talk pages of GOW series and Chains of Olympus).
A year ago, JDC808 and Thebladesofchaos developed a "solution" for the lead section in GOW articles by "[keeping] the text in the correct tense, with information staying either in or out of universe in the correct places and avoided numerical repetition". JDC felt that the lead section that was expanded is "too excessive" and should leave it like that. Does the format JDC808 and Thebladesofchaos settled out looked okay or does it fail to comply to WP:VG/MOS? It looks like to me that the lead section on every GOW article is too short and/or may not adequately summarise its contents. Hounder4 ( Talk) 07:09, 27 April 2012 (UTC)
I have started a discussion at Talk:List of Xbox 360 games#Separating of the list, regarding the length of this page. It is exceptionally long, which increases loading times when just trying to edit the page. The amount of code can sometimes cause the page to freeze for awhile as well. I have not gotten any feedback, and would like some so please come to the talk page. BIGNOLE (Contact me) 00:32, 30 April 2012 (UTC)
I noticed a minor little edit war going on over at Mass Effect 3 as to whether or not to include Metacritic user scores within the article. What exactly is the VG Project's stance on citing user scores? I couldn't find any mention of it within the guidelines. DrNegative ( talk) 19:31, 28 April 2012 (UTC)
There have been edits by anons and User:Niemti to add an 8 kylobite character table with no sources to Tekken. Finding it as Undue weight and fancruft, I removed the list but Niemti reverted my edits stating the table was necessary with no discussions made before adding such a table. Regards. Tintor2 ( talk) 21:32, 30 April 2012 (UTC)
IP 98.164.116.249 expresses concerns that the Resident Evil series "began as a survival horror series, but it's now [...] a shooter series with a horror atmosphere." I know that survival horror and action (which basically a shooter) are not incompatible with each other, but if anyone has any suggestions on IP's comment, respond to Talk:Resident Evil: Revelations#Not a survival horror. Hounder4 ( Talk) 18:33, 2 May 2012 (UTC)
I'm not sure if this discussion is relevant to this WikiProject or not. There have been a large number of D&D video games, but I hesitate to immediately list it under WP:VG's delsort page. Axem Titanium ( talk) 18:08, 3 May 2012 (UTC)
Some articles on old Data East games like Bad Dudes mention that G-Mode currently has the rights to some of Data East's back catalog. Most of them link to a website, Data East games that is currently domain parked. I am not certain if this means that G-Mode no longer has rights to the games, but it definitely means that all external links to the site should be deleted and references should be tagged with the Dead link template. Previously versions of the site are unavailable from the Internet Archive as robots.txt prevented the site from being crawled. ---- Jtalledo (talk) 14:28, 6 May 2012 (UTC)
I have a question regarding what I assume would be covered by a video game specific notability guideline. A game from the early late 80s/early 90s has been noted as the inspiration for a game that is receiving significant cover but finding significant coverage of the game itself is difficult. Other guidelines like WP:AUTHOR and WP:PROF make exception for things like this but as there's no video game guideline, one does not exist. Is the game notable? I asked without noting the specific case to get a general idea of what this project has determined or if there's a precedent rather than solve a specific case. OlYeller21 Talktome 18:54, 6 May 2012 (UTC)
Looks like Masem slipped Raul an extra $20 as Limbo (video game) is prepared to be on Today's Featured Article on the 10th. GamerPro64 22:52, 8 May 2012 (UTC)
To those parties interested, this request has been sitting there for awhile. Commons:Commons:Deletion requests/File:Fzero-nopatterns.svg. « ₣M₣ » 04:19, 9 May 2012 (UTC)
Okay, the previous discussion seems to have gotten archived. Despite the last post being a declaration that "[the tables] do not have consensus support", the truth of the matter is closer to there being no consensus either way with almost an even split on both sides of the argument. Of the people that officially voted there were 3 deletes and 2 keeps. In terms of the members who actively participated in the discussion there appears to be 5 in favor of deleting the tables (KyuuA4, X201, Sergecross73, Masem, Salvidrim), 4 in favor of keeping the tables in at least some form (Flygongengar, Ed, Azolo, Kanjo Kotr) and ButOnMethItls who simply reminded everyone that the decision to keep or delete the tables is based on community consensus. (I grouped the names based on the arguments presented in the discussion, if you feel I misrepresented your opinion please say so here). The discussion has been going on for 2 months on the Project Video Game page.
The original discussion on the Civ V talk page has been ongoing since November 26, 2010 (so around one a half years). No real vote was ever done on the original page, however reading over the discussion the following people seemed to either oppose or support (at least in some form) the tables--and not double-counting people such as KyuuA4, X201, Masen, Ed, and Flygongengar who also participated on the project page--4 additional people expressed views completely against the tables (Oosh, Fin, DP76764, UncannyGarlic), 5-7 expressed views in favor of the tables in some form (Lowellian, TheFreeloader, The Dark Peria, Jenova20, Bloodycelt and 193.221.39.5 & 67.208.188.68 if we choose to count anons), and 2-3 took a relatively neutral stance (Walen, Muskeato & 69.3.100.169). Again, I grouped the names based on the arguments presented in the discussion, if you feel I misrepresented your opinion please say so here. Also, If I missed anyone, please speak up.
So after 18 months of debate the community seems split with 9 completely in favor of removing the tables, 9 (11 if we count anons) in favor of keeping the tables in some form, and 3 (4 if anons) remaining neutral. As one can see the debate has been ongoing for a significant amount of time and the community consensus is pretty even on both sides of the argument (and was also pretty evenly matched when looking at the individual discussions as opposed to an overview).
Because of this--and because the previous discussion reached such a point that it was archived--I'm convinced that it is unlikely that future discussion will reach a consensus either. The question is what to do now. Wikipedia:Consensus#No consensus holds that "in deletion discussions, no consensus normally results in the article, image, or other content being kept" which would mean keeping the current status quo of the pages and thus keeping the tables. I'm going to give this 2-3 weeks, but unless the debate seriously kicks up again with new blood allowing a consensus either way to be reached, I'm going to remove the "copy to gaming wiki" tag on all the tables at that time. Flygongengar ( talk) 23:36, 10 May 2012 (UTC)
Just a note to inform people here that I've split Psygnosis back out from SCE Studio Liverpool. -- Trevj ( talk) 15:30, 11 May 2012 (UTC)
-- Trevj ( talk) 23:52, 11 May 2012 (UTC)
I've added the discussion to the RFC list for Companies and Media. - X201 ( talk) 14:35, 14 May 2012 (UTC)
I'd just like to bring attention to the above two pages. They've been created in the past couple of weeks. I suspect them to be unattributed copy-and-paste of some Wikia articles or another. Seeing as they're mostly plot, they should probably be merged or be cleaned up (brought into line with WP:VG/GL). Anyone want to poke them? -- Izno ( talk) 02:50, 14 May 2012 (UTC)
I would like this article to be upgraded to at least Start in the portal. It has an infobox, a logo and a lot of information about the game. Could someone please review it? Shaun9876 ( talk) 18:35, 14 May 2012 (UTC)
Thanks Shaun9876 ( talk) 19:37, 14 May 2012 (UTC)
I've started a discussion about updating/changing/clarifying the Cast List part of the Inappropriate Content section of the Article Guidelines.
The discussion is here -
X201 (
talk) 10:09, 19 May 2012 (UTC)
Hi, I've recently posted a question at WikiProject Pokemon but I haven't received any feedback. If anyone here is familiar with the Pokemon series and might be able to shed a little light on the issue I've identified, please comment here. Thanks in advance. - Thibbs ( talk) 20:10, 21 May 2012 (UTC)
The VGratings template is up for deletion. See - Wikipedia:Templates_for_discussion#May_23 apparently similar ones for film and TV have been deleted and the video game one is next in the firing line. Don't know what the rational for deletion of the others was. - X201 ( talk) 12:30, 23 May 2012 (UTC)
Additional: In 2009 WP:FILM moved to excluded ratings from their infobox for reasons such as systemic bias etc. Rather than have indiscriminate listing of ratings, they now focus on ratings in prose if they have been controversial or note worthy. So despite my inital shock, I agree with that idea, it would mean deleting the ratings field on the infobox, making the infobox shorter :) and push towards prose for exceptional ratings. - X201 ( talk) 12:37, 23 May 2012 (UTC)
Hi there! I'm looking up information for 3D Tetris, a game for the Virtual Boy that received relatively little attention. I found one review in the LA Times through ProQuest, as well as reviews on various fan site of questionable notability. I'm looking for a wider variety of sources, though. Does anyone know where I can find reliable databases of old video game magazines, reviews, and the like? Perhaps there is a research database to that effect. Or where I might find information about them in reliable sources? Some textbooks do mention the Virtual Boy, although I'm not finding a lot on this game in particular. 3D Tetris is not impossible to find - the Virtual Boy was a relatively important console and wasn't released all that long ago. Thanks in advance for your help. CaseyPenk ( talk) 09:00, 24 May 2012 (UTC)
I've just had another thought. I think there is a (very) brief mention of Tetris 3D in this month's GamesTM, in the Retro collector section, if someone could have a look for CaseyPenk. Would do it myself, but haven't got access to my copy at the moment. - X201 ( talk) 11:30, 24 May 2012 (UTC)
Okay, so images are one of the few areas on Wikipedia I'm not that knowledgeable about, (which I'm fine with, it typically doesn't interest me) but I'm tired with arguing with the user there, so I figured I'd bring it up here.
So the issue is the main infobox picture at Sonic 4. A month or so ago, User:Zagurzem kept on switching in a logo that was merely the "Sonic the Hedgehog" in text, which I felt was a bad choice, considering the image prior to it already contained the same logo, but also contained an image of Sonic as well. There was no reason to "downgrade" to a picture that captured less of what the game was about. He eventually stopped this, but a week ago, another user added a different, second image to the infobox, and now Zagurzem is proposing using all three images. (See here for what it looks like as of writing this.)
Again, I'm not real familiar with image policy, but I know it's a "keep it to a minimum" type things, which makes me think that three in the infobox alone is excessive. When I try to remove them, he always answers with things like "No, please, give it a shot" or "I think you'll see it my way eventually" rather than giving a real rationale or quoting policy or anything. So I was looking for input/help. Thoughts? Sergecross73 msg me 18:14, 24 May 2012 (UTC)
Really? Text best illustrates a platformer video game like this? *Sigh* this is why I stay away from image stuff in general I guess...
Sergecross73
msg me 01:53, 25 May 2012 (UTC)
Sergecross, I am so sorry about all of this. After reading your long message to me, I now understand my mistakes.
We should just use the logo that was used in the first place in order to not cause any more trouble. I see that there was some controversy regarding the non-free usage of the images that I wanted to use. Before I uploaded the images, I read the policy and thought I was in the clear, but I guess I wasn't. Am I going to go to jail or something???
I meant well when I was editing the Sonic pages. I just wanted information that was accurate because I have been a fan of Sonic since I was seven. I am not the most experienced person with Wikipedia, but I am learning more thanks to you guys helping me.
I will continue editing Wikipedia, but I will most likely refrain from uploading images from now on.
I hope you guys understand. User:Zagurzem —Preceding undated comment added 12:55, 25 May 2012 (UTC).
On the other hand, Sergecross' idea to "post the newest logo, and caption it with "Promotional art for Sonic 4: Episode II" is a pretty good idea as well. That way, it is kept up to date with the latest installment. And if/when an Episode III comes out, we can replace it with that logo. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Zagurzem ( talk • contribs) 13:35, 25 May 2012 (UTC)
Hi everyone! As I was reading the Sony article I came across some patterns that I found very troubling - first, a lack of objective information and historical context; second, an overwhelmingly negative and critical approach found in most sections. I started a discussion located at Talk:Sony#POV problems. Whether you share my concerns or see the issue differently, please provide your input and chip in with some constructive edits to the main article. I appreciate any help. Thank you. CaseyPenk ( talk) 16:58, 25 May 2012 (UTC)
This page List of video game remakes is completely wrong. And is similar at the categorie:vidéo game remakes where there is, the same, a lot of games who aren't remake but simply " Porting" or re edition. LatinoSeuropa ( talk) 19:17, 26 May 2012 (UTC)
A user has moved the article about the original Xbox console, from Xbox to Xbox (console). It seems their intention was to create an Xbox brand article similar to PlayStation, but what they've actually put up is a stub article with no references and a graphic from Commons where they claim to be the copyright owner of the Xbox logo (Rumours and logo I have now removed). The Xbox needs a "brand" article, but this one isn't it.
Trying to decide on best plan of action, prod/delete and then move the original back, or Requested move of brand article to Xbox (brand) and (console) to Xbox. Opinions? - X201 ( talk) 15:08, 27 May 2012 (UTC)
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Wouldn't be necessary to leave the Wii version cover art in The Legend of Zelda: Twilight Princess, or we just go for the GameCube one Talonmalon333 recently uploaded? -- HOUNDER4 ( TALK) ( CHANGES) 22:26, 8 March 2012 (UTC)
User:Ryulong has been adding more wp:game guide content to List of Persona 4 characters although it was previously discussed at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Video games/Archive 91#Persona 4's arcana that such information was not significant for the characters. Despite already reverting his edit, Ryulong once again reverted my edit and keeps adding such information. I want to avoid edit warring, but it has still happened in the past with the same user. Regards. Tintor2 ( talk) 22:48, 11 March 2012 (UTC)
Hey everybody,
I dropped by to ask for some advice. I feel that the article New Game Plus (and its content of course) should be 'new game plus' and not 'New Game Plus' and proposed a move. Wikipedians Masem and Axem Titanium (I'm sure you know them) say I'm wrong here, so if you would please join our discussion, we might come to some consensus. Please see Talk: New Game Plus#Request move. Thanks. --Soetermans. T / C 16:04, 12 March 2012 (UTC)
Hey everyone. Over at Mass Effect 3 there is a rather lively discussion going on about the use of meteoritic user reviews. It (seems) to boil down to experienced editors saying they are not RSs as they are self published, and SPAs saying they should be included. (I am simplifying some, but please take a look, I think I am being fair). We could use a few more eyes there. Thanks everyone. Dbrodbeck ( talk) 13:22, 13 March 2012 (UTC)
Thanks everyone! Dbrodbeck ( talk)
Is Game Nostalgia considere a reliable source? -- Khanassassin ☪ 15:45, 7 March 2012 (UTC)
Thanks. If you would check, you will note that GN states as much sources as much as possible. See the recently added info on Revolution Software [2] — Preceding unsigned comment added by Gamnos ( talk • contribs) 16:47, 7 March 2012 (UTC) Added: and if there are no sources, the info is checked by the designers (emails available), and they aren't unhappy with it, see recently the bio of Steve Ince, mentioned at his Facebook page [3]. If GN should improve something in this respect, just drop a line.
I understand what you mean, but "the other stuff probably isn't" is a bit of guessing. As said, often facts are being checked by the original designers (by email), and so the features, or parts of the facts about games, bio's, credits etc. include - besides sources - direct info from the persons involved. It would be a bit strange to include their emails on the site. But as said, I understand what you mean, and it is OK with me (and others). — Preceding unsigned comment added by Gamnos ( talk • contribs) 21:46, 7 March 2012 (UTC)
I recently added this screenshot. It has been nominated for deletion because it is suggested that it doesn't provide contextual significance. I wrote a caption that includes the locomotive which is mentioned in the article. Shouldn't the article have a screenshot and isn't it appropriate? - Shiftchange ( talk) 13:56, 13 March 2012 (UTC)
On March 14th, Ultima Underworld: The Stygian Abyss will be on Today's Featured Article. GamerPro64 20:32, 13 March 2012 (UTC)
An anon has been creating Hal Emmerich, Liquid Snake and Meryl Silverburgh but the first two articles are basically empty while the third is completely unsourced. Despite reintegration to the characters list by another user and me, the anon keeps adding them insisting others to add the content to the articles. Regards. Tintor2 ( talk) 17:25, 28 February 2012 (UTC)
Read what I just wrote at Talk:List of Tekken characters. 2 more cents:
And that's all folks. Now, start being contructive, by contributing to the articles instead of being needlessly obstructive (literally). -- 194.145.185.229 ( talk) 13:46, 29 February 2012 (UTC)
Also as of the claim of "the fact that the talk page discussion started just after the empty articles were created" - see: Talk:List of characters in the Metal Gear series#Is it possible to separate Sniper Wolf?. But yeah, there was no discussion. Because no one answered my very clear and polite questions. SIX MONTHS AGO. So, who was "discussing", and who was "not discussing", again? I'll tell you: it was me who who was discussing (and not only in this section, I then posted 2 more additional sections in this talk page, there were also 0 answers, until yesterday). The problem: I was the only one disscussing. And now that's really all about it. -- 194.145.185.229 ( talk) 13:59, 29 February 2012 (UTC)
That definition is the core of WP:N. - what definition?? And please give me the link to policy/guides to back this weird claim: "Also, we generally don't use simply inclusion in lists like "top 10 couples"" - this is just shocking for me, I always thought it's the most important thing (and I think Kung Fu Man at Talk:Lili (Tekken) also demanded just that)! I don't even know what to say, I'm quite speechless now. -- 194.145.185.229 ( talk) 14:41, 29 February 2012 (UTC)
Oh yes, he did! I cleaned up the reception a lot...some of it was from unreliable sources, but even then most was basically saying the same thing over and over again. Still, with that said there's at least a small start here...but you direly need character reception to show notability. Hasn't she appeared on any "top ten" lists at all on reliable sites?--Kung Fu Man (talk) 15:46, 9 October 2011 (UTC) - funny, huh? -- 194.145.185.229 ( talk) 14:43, 29 February 2012 (UTC)
What "other sources"? And where does it say that "just the lists" are NOT "significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subject"? You claim that multiple lists (and that's hardly definitive list of reception, just the stuff that I came by accidentally, over the course of few last months) is not enough - and how do you back it up? And anyway why won't YOU make it any better, didn't you see the "expand section" tag that I posted? Do you believe I should do eveything myself, start with a complete article (than why Wikipedia has even all these templates for the stub articles?), only for you to mercifully allow me to (re)create an article according to your own subjective understanding of what allegedly is and what is not enough of a "significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subject", all while calling the media outlets to be "fan sites and such", among other elitist and dismissive approach towards me and my work, selectively singling out all the restored articles for reverts before anyone (and that's including both me and you) had even a chance to improve them? Please cease your obstructive activity at once. -- 194.145.185.229 ( talk) 17:09, 6 March 2012 (UTC)
I think what we need to do is establish what exactly meets character notability once and for all, because across the board we have many articles that are either propped up on gameplay critique, or not enough actual statements from third-party sources to support them, and then from there take it by a case-by-case basis. The Ficitonal Character project exists in part for this, but it's been...quite dead lately. But with as many articles as we have, having some groundwork before a cleaver starts tearing through things would help.-- Kung Fu Man ( talk) 20:53, 29 February 2012 (UTC)
Video game characters already have the most draconic notability restrictions in the whole Wikipedia!!
Just look around at most comic book characters - they have no reception sections at all. For example, I just randomly clicked on the first character on the list of X-Men in their navbox, Angel - and here you go. Followed by Anole (allegedly, a "good article"!), Ariel, Armor, Aurora (and so on, that was just the letter A for the X-Men characters). Whatever "sourced impact in the real world" are they having? And only one of them has even any resemblance of "reception" section - the one that is a "good article" (it's "reception and sexuality", for being, gasp, gay or something), and it's citing mostly, or even exclusively... the primary sources (comics themselves).
And that's normal elsewhere, only the video game community is ever obsessed to restrict themselves more and more, which excuse me but it is just pretty crazy.
Why won't you wait for everyone on Wikipedia to catch up with us here, before setting even strictier standards for ourselves, again? Most video game characters have been purged about 4 years ago (which had upset me at a time, but it was a good thing for developing the unprecented level of quality as we're having now). Then I think some anime characters were also merged, but not on this scale (for example: I've seen several dozen of character articles from some super-obscure anime that were created in 2006 and never, ever, updated since then, they're all tagged with "unsourced" and "notability" tags for years, and that's it). But that's all.
The comic characters were never purged (as I just demonstrated to you: all reccurring characters have their pages, not even these really famous). Just the category "Marvel Comics superheroes" has 1,013 articles in the main category, "Category:DC Comics superheroes" has 782 in the main category, and so on. In total, that's thousands of comic book character articles only counting the superheroes and supervillains ("Category:DC Comics supervillains": 718, and so on). There's of course also a plenty of non-supers. And look at their "good articles" that are often worse than our regular articles.
But that's comics, so what about the novel books? I checked "Category:Characters in American novels of the 20th century" (very specific one), and I clicked on the very first one, and so there is David "Noodles" Aaronson - zero sources, but of course. The next ones in the row being: Genco Abbandando (1 source), Achren (0 sources), Kay Adams-Corleone (1 unreliable source, the IMDb), Nick Adams (1 source), Alain Johns (1 source, primary), Achilles Alexandrakis (0 sources), and so on - all having oh so-excellently proven "sourced impact in the real world", right? Are they having "*strong* reception and development sections as their basis"? No, of course not (and not even "weak reception and development sections as their basis"): most of literature character articles (also thousands of them) are actually worse even than the comic characters, because are not even citing the primary sources. Most often they're not citing anything at all. And nobody even tags them for unreferenced, or notability, or as stubs or anything else - that's just their de-facto standards, that will continue.
And that's like that for all/most of the other fiction.
Except of video games, where, once again, there are standards. And these standards are already set extremely high. And so there are only less than 400 video game characters, in total, including villains, including everything, in the most popular entertainment of today (much more than the comics, rivaling the film industry, but of course you know it). But, for you even that is still too many? What you want to achieve - to make it just (say) the 40 very top video game characters with "sourced impact in the real world", as compared to all the 4,000 or so comic book supers and 40,000 (any number) non-video game characters, elsewhere? Why? You think that would be an improvement, somehow? Such a very selective approach to anything will not make Wikipedia any better. And no, it's not any "other stuff exists". It's "we're already way ahead of the de-facto Wikipedia standards, and that's for a long time, right now, and for an indefinite future too". That's the reality. And as such you should be very proud of yourselves, instead of this samokritika session going on for not being udarnik enough (speaking in communist terms). Now come on and congratule each other, and chill down a bit.
And now that you've seen other character articles, go and check out just almost any existing video game character of Wikipedia - and even my stubs that you redirected (without a consensus, because I for one disagree, and without an objectively good reason), but that were already better sourced than most fictional character articles around, and with better proven notability than the vast majority of them - even being just still quick stubs. You will see that my vastly incomplete (note all the expand, update and refmore tags that I've posted there) Meryl's article is already much better than, I estimate, at least 95% of all fictional character articles on Wikipedia! And that's including video game characters, because these are so few in number.
So, unless all the rest of Wikipedia gets even remotely close to our current stanards (and they are far to even the video game Wikia standards), we should not estabilish the ones for video games only. I don't say to lose our existing current standards, that I adhere to and promote all the time, I just say to uphold them. And by this I mean to rid of the still long-standing crap articles (objectively - no reception whatsoever, you know) such as Edward Carnby, Augustus Sinclair and John MacTavish (and yes I did talk about them to both Kung Fu Man and Tintor2, but they just flatly refused to touch them because they got tired of merging stuff - and thta's some serious double standards, for me and everyone else, even if my work is so much better - and I just bring them once again), which might be actually okay according to normal Wikipedia standards (heck, they would be even actually well above most of non-videogame character articles), but NOT according to our standards, among the gamers. Once again, these standards are already set very, very high, and I hope you got it now.
And about these exclusive standards we have, as I understand them, in a sensible way - my understanding, and my work here, is just merging the crap stuff like Isaac Clarke (really, if I didn't insist, this article would be still online - and its author even kept reverting my repeated attempts to improve this article!), but re-creating the long-due articles on actually notable characters, such as, to name just a few, Pac-Man (character), Dogmeat, Dark Queen (Battletoads) and Avatar (Ultima) (a creature, a dog, a chick, and a dude) - and somehow no one has ever complained about it before. But that's because there was nothing to complain and you're trying to create some artifictial "problems", and not only for me but for all of us. We are the Wikipedia's vanguard! But no one's following, so stop.
And so now revert your obstructive work on the MGS 'and Tekken characters (the latest ones, such as Julia Chang, because the previous Tekken splits such as Anna Williams (Tekken) have been left alone - I see you guys suddenly obssessing over all my work everywhere, but selectively just the most recent, because it was all good for looong time before you suddenly woke up and dogpiled me for some reason), assume good faith, and start the constructive edits on them.
If you want to answer me about it, or make a comment, first read what I wrote once again. -- 194.145.185.229 ( talk) 17:16, 6 March 2012 (UTC)
I told you twice to not bring "other stuff exists", and yet you did it also twice. How many times should I repeat: video game characters standards are now EXCULUSIVELY extremely strict already, for years. There are less than 400 video game characters right now, and for you this is too many. But, at the same time, there are more than 1,400 DC Comics superheroes and supervillains alone. For many years. And there are no guarantees it won't remain this way for many years to come, or forever. And you're NOT doing anything about it. Once again: what good it will be to have just, say, 40 game characters and 40 THOUSAND non-game characters? Why won't you wait until the rest of Wikipedia caches up with our standards BEFORE estabilishing the new standards as the vanguard of Wikipedia?
I also told you: I didn't plan to make featured or even good articles there. Over 99% of the stuff in Wikipedia is neither. And people everywhere are NOT usually shooting down the stubs on sight. Only here. -- 194.145.185.229 ( talk) 12:29, 7 March 2012 (UTC)
I'm trying to promote the ideas in the WP:SNOWFLAKE essay at AfDs and policy pages. In this context it basically says "keep the character as an stub if someone cared to write about it, merge to a list article if all references are primary"; the specific criterion to make the test is commentary from professional critics. This is basically consistent with the opinion of the named editors in this thread, that articles like those would be better moved to Wikia; but I'd love to hear what the IP editor thinks of this outcome and the guideline. Diego ( talk) 16:47, 7 March 2012 (UTC)
I'm just going to chime in and even if this point has been made, I'll be making it again: it's not a matter of Draconian restrictions, it's a matter of editors who care more about these elements of their articles' quality. Video game characters receive more scrutiny than most other mediums' characters, which means that we are going to have to be a lot stricter. Be proud that you are in a project that cares~! - New Age Retro Hippie (talk) (contributions) 05:46, 9 March 2012 (UTC)
I told to read what I wrote repeatedly until you understand. It's all addressed there. For example:
NO, this what I actually wrote:
So, read it again, until you'll understand what I wrote, and only then start commenting. -- 194.145.185.229 ( talk) 17:49, 13 March 2012 (UTC)
Oh and as for:
Go and demand to all the stubs eveywhere be disallowed (instead of actually ancouraged), seuceed in this, then come back. -- 194.145.185.229 ( talk) 17:54, 13 March 2012 (UTC)
I've nominated Armaroli Sim Racing World Cup for deletion. You are more than welcome to contribute to the deletion discussion. Readro ( talk) 16:53, 15 March 2012 (UTC)
Is there currently an issue with GameRankings' site? Whenever I try to check game's score like this one, I just have "The Ranking" and below several advertisings. The reviews are available though by going to the reviews part. Regards. Tintor2 ( talk) 01:32, 16 March 2012 (UTC)
In case this isn't already cited in the appropriate places: http://arxiv.org/pdf/1203.1895v1.pdf has some new complexity theoretic results for a number of classic games including Super Mario Bros, Pokemon, and Legend of Zelda. Many are NP-complete and some are PSPACE-complete. 67.117.144.57 ( talk) 11:03, 16 March 2012 (UTC)
Can anyone who knows Japanese (or knows the CERO icons) tell me what this icon means? I believe it is the "no rating" icon, but I'd like to make sure. :) Salvidrim! 13:59, 16 March 2012 (UTC)
In an article for Rocky for PS2 I mentioned that the Angry Video Game Nerd mentioned several of the glitches on his show but my information was taken down saying that the Wikipedia Video Games Project doesn't allow AVGN information and that it was considered spam.
It that accurate or was that person a troll? Because I don't see why you wouldn't deny any videogame information especially if it's true. I mean I know AVGN is crude but I did not mention any vulgarity of any kind. Dartpaw86 ( talk) 23:30, 16 March 2012 (UTC)Dartpaw86
??? I did not give any information that he stated on his show. All I said was that it was featured on his show, which it was. How is that not a reliable fact? Dartpaw86 ( talk) 00:55, 17 March 2012 (UTC)Dartpaw86
I just checked that link and AVGN isn't listed in unreliable sources. Someone should fix that? Dartpaw86 ( talk) 01:16, 17 March 2012 (UTC)Dartpaw86
Never mind, he was listed in "Other" which I missed. Dartpaw86 ( talk) 01:17, 17 March 2012 (UTC)Dartpaw86
I'd like a review done, please! I believe it is not a stub anymore and should at least be a starter-class article. Thanks! -- J (t) 01:52, 20 March 2012 (UTC)
Hi. I have been working on Revolution Software-related articles (currently, the first three [Broken Sword]]s are GAs), and I've recently nominated Lure of the Temptress for GA. Could someone please review it? All the Best, Khanassassin ☪ 08:44, 20 March 2012 (UTC)
Anyone guys, sources for River Raid ? I'm looking for release date verification and some review. Thanks in advance, Sir Lothar ( talk) 19:26, 20 March 2012 (UTC)
See: Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Deletion_sorting#Proposed_split:_Video_games_from_Games. Short version: No objections to tracking VG deletions separately from non-VG game deletions, since the VG stuff has swamped the games deletion sorting and the VG project has its own project-internal deletion sorting page. Proposed moving that page to an official delsort page. — SMcCandlish Talk⇒〈°⌊°〉 Contribs. 01:01, 18 February 2012 (UTC)
I'm trying to nab the review score for Soft & Cuddly from the Spanish magazine MicroHobby here, except when I zoom in I can't even make out the words under the scores. I'd need to translate them anyway. I assume that the right-hand score is the overall mark, but don't want put that in the article without knowing for sure. Can anyone help? Someone another 19:35, 21 March 2012 (UTC)
Hello everyone! I'm from China, and I want to write a massively multiplayer online music video game article, but I don't know how to write the article like this genre. So is here some example article (Like FA, GA or B-class article) I can follow? If not, can you tell me what I should write into the passage? Thank you!-- 铁铁的火大了 ( talk) 11:57, 17 March 2012 (UTC)
I wanted to get some thoughts on two things
Thanks to all in advance. Redredryder ( talk) 03:17, 20 March 2012 (UTC)
I am planning on eventually taking Portal 2 to FAC, though I'm waiting for its promised patch/map editor to be released as this is anticipated to be the last major update to the article.
That said, the P2 article is LONG, at nearly 250 refs and probably tickling the 100k of non-markup text size issue. We've already shuffled off the major character sections and the music to separate articles, but now the question of moving anything else out from this is there. I know that there is one case of a development section being separated (for Elder Scrolls IV) has been done, but I don't think that works well here.
Instead, and the opinion I seek here, is that I'm thinking of creating some article, name not yet known, to cover the ancillary market aspects of Portal 2, and in this case, Portal as well. That would pull in, as currently listed, the ARGs, "The Final Hours of P2", the Lab Rat comic, and then probably some other things such as the Mari0 game, some of the notable Portal mods, some of the highly-received Portal films, and others. Because this goes beyond just officially licensed media, it's not just a "franchise" here. I'm struggling with some name of the article ("Media of the Portal series"?) and if this is a reasonable way to trim down the game article without harming its comprehension. -- MASEM ( t) 17:09, 21 March 2012 (UTC)
MegaTraveller 1: The Zhodani Conspiracy was recently expanded to include a number of references to various print publications. These publications range in length from two pages (game reviews) to over a hundred pages (game user manual). Citations were split between a "Notes" and a "References" section because in-line citations frequently referenced different pages from the same publication. However, a discussion subsequently took place on the Talk suggesting instead that I "should make one ref use a {cite} template and simply use it in-line wherever you're sourcing from it, instead of unassigned references and a slew of "notes."
Using the suggested {cite} template method certainly would condense the citation section considerably. But if all citations referencing the same publication were condensed using the {cite} template into a single reference, information about which page(s) is being referenced in a specific citation would be lost. That strikes me as being contrary to Wikipedia general citation policy. Wikipedia:Citing_sources#Journal_articles states:
Citations for journal articles typically include the name of the author(s), the year and sometimes month of publication, the title of the article (within quotation marks), the name of the journal (in italics), the volume number, issue number and page number....Inline citations usually also include specific page numbers, as described above for books.
I also came across this on Template:Rp: "Featured Article and sometimes even Good Article review generally insist upon specific facts being cited with specific page numbers."
Moreover, it seems to me that it enhances WP:V when specific facts are directly associated with the specific page numbers on which those facts may be verified.
So my question is this: Should Wikipedia's general guideline that 'specific facts be cited with specific page numbers' be strictly adhered to when citing brief video game reviews from print publications, or are VG articles a situation when the exception to the rule is preferable to strict adherence to the general rule ( WP:IAR)?
Again, there's more background discussion which led up to my question on this Talk page. -- Mike Agricola ( talk) 21:24, 23 March 2012 (UTC)
I am having problem at Wikipedia:Featured list candidates/List of The Simpsons video games/archive1 why the list needs to be improved and to have the list in chronological order like the other video game FLs. Can someone help explain how that's standard for VG video game lists? GamerPro64 02:07, 24 March 2012 (UTC)
There's a disagreement at Talk:All your base are belong to us#More accurate English translation about the need to list a sample of sentences from the video game cutscenes. There are three possibilities being suggested:
The existence and contents of the table have been debated several times through the years at the talk page. Please join in to help achieve a strong consensus. Diego ( talk) 11:32, 25 March 2012 (UTC)
While i was browsing through the Monster Hunter related articles i have not found a lit that provides a short (a paragraph long ) description of the monster its colors and any subspecies it might have. I mean monsters are vital to the franchise so i thought there would have been a page for something like that-- Deviljho12 ( talk) 16:24, 26 March 2012 (UTC)
Currently we have only one article on the classic game/series Cannon Fodder. It's a series article but is heavily biased towards the first game. I want to give the first game its own article and was wondering where to put the content I'm writing. Start a new article (titled what?) or rewrite and split of the current article? The current one is at Cannon Fodder (video game), though bizarrely Cannon Fodder just redirects there (it was moved recently, perhaps because of Cannon fodder i.e. the military term). I'd probably be inclined to replace the redirect with new content on the first game and move the current article to "Cannon Fodder series". Any ideas? bridies ( talk) 18:29, 26 March 2012 (UTC)
It now seems to be tacit consensus that compilations, collections and HD remakes need to be able to support themselves regarding article content i.e. just existing as a compilation or a HD version on its own is not enough notability. I came across this article this morning ( Capcom Digital Collection) and felt that it needed nominating for deletion, as it falls into the criteria mentioned above. I was looking through WP:VG/GL in order to point to the appropriate guideline in the Prod notice, only to find we don't have an explicit guideline. We have a Remakes section but that doesn't really cover compilations. Does anyone have any objections to the addition of compilations to that section/text? Opinions? - X201 ( talk) 08:14, 28 March 2012 (UTC)
Sorry for not being around to chip-in, but you've got to the point of my post, which was basically "at what point does a compilation title reach the point where it should have it own article" and what should be done with articles that don't reach that threshold. I think we need something added to the guidelines (perhaps with examples) so that there is a consensus for people to point to. The number of compilation/remake articles arriving at AFD is increasing and it would be helpful to be able to point to a consensus guideline so that an article could be measured against it. - X201 ( talk) 12:34, 29 March 2012 (UTC)
I'm currently trying to take Cave Story through GA and hopefully FA. I know that it was originally released as freeware. Does this mean that screenshots of the freeware PC version are considered free (or CC/GPL-compatible)? Also, does anyone know what exact license the original game was released under? I've only been able to find it listed as "freeware" and that's it. Thanks, Axem Titanium ( talk) 18:48, 29 March 2012 (UTC)
Hey all, my article at FAC, Bastion, is nearing the bottom of the list with only two supports- if anyone could come by and review the article so that it doesn't get archived for lack of response, I'd be much obliged. ( nomination) I'd be remiss, though, if I didn't mention that Axem Titanium's Capcom Five is second from the bottom at FAC with three supports, and though it's had some activity today it could really use some reviews as well. ( nomination) -- Pres N 00:25, 20 March 2012 (UTC)
Is it essential to replace a screenshot for Metroid Prime Hunters? I assume that a current screenshot has graphical detail that does not represent to those from the final version, especially with Spire's cannon. Hounder4 ( Talk) 16:51, 28 March 2012 (UTC)
Hey folks, I don't normally worry about templates but I could really use one for lists within Category:Video games by theme like List of dragon video games and List of horror video games (didn't even know that existed, it's currently not linked by anything). I'm not sure what parameters should be in it but I was thinking one for lists about a certain type of character (vampire games, dragon games etc) and then.. the rest. Any ideas/help with this please? Someone another 23:50, 31 March 2012 (UTC)
Hi,
Relatively new Wikipedian here. I am a very big enthusiast of games made by Bethesda and I noticed that the task force on The Elder Scrolls is currently marked as inactive. Could I offer to create a new task force dedicated to Bethesda games and merge TES task force into it? I'm looking for a place to start, and I thought this would sound promising.
Please reply back with any thoughts on this, and if it gets the 'Ok' to go ahead then I will start the necessary pages.
Makhram"The Maniac" talk 23:22, 3 April 2012 (UTC)
GameSpot just put out a great article on game patents. Find it here. This is especially nice because patent images are in public domain! The games covered in this article are:
If anyone has been working/taking care of these articles, this is an easy, valuable addition. Axem Titanium ( talk) 01:36, 4 April 2012 (UTC)
Cheers to the first ever video game engine GA: Virtual Theatre :) -- Khanassassin ☪ 12:22, 4 April 2012 (UTC)
Seeking more opinions on Talk:Star Wars: The Old Republic#Edit request on 4 April 2012. A representative of the site wikiswtor.com is seeking guidance on how ELNO has been applied towards the exclusion of wikiswtor.com but continued inclusion of Wikia's SWTOR project. While I believe the SWTOR project on Wikia would probably survive, I'm not particularily vested in it. Seeking some more input beyond myself, SudoGhost, and KingDMS, as we seem to just be rehashing our positions at this point. -- ferret ( talk) 18:25, 5 April 2012 (UTC)
Awhile ago I seem to remember Muzemike suggesting we should re-assess our stubs in case some have since been improved. At the time I didn't think it was an issue and said as much, but there seem to be several stub or start class articles which need re-assessing. Would it be possible to set up some kind of list where we can go through them? In particular, now that one of the project's stated goals is to get 10% of article to C-class or higher, we're going to have problems with the number being diluted if we don't keep up with articles that have been improved. Sorry Muzemike :( Is there any interest in this, or is it possible at all? Someone another 18:26, 5 April 2012 (UTC)
I think I have mentioned this quite some time ago, as there are quite a few stubs that are likely no longer stubs and Start-Class articles that probably should be stubs. I fully support such a drive to make sure the correct articles are properly tagged as stubs so that we have a more accurate portrayal of the amount of stubs in the project. Another thing we could also be reassessing at the same time is stub categories. I have noticed that a few stub categories are underpopulated and may either 1) need to be populated, 2) upmerged, or 3) deleted. They shouldn't be so large that they are virtually unmanageable to work on, and they shouldn't be so small that they are virtually irrelevant. -- MuZemike 20:17, 6 April 2012 (UTC)
The 1st Quarter WP:VG newsletter is about as ready as it is to be released, though it is running late as it is. We do not currently have a Featured Editor or any significant announcements or discussion over the past quarter that I have observed. Does anyone have anything to add in before I put it in the actual newsletter and send it out with my bot? -- MuZemike 20:11, 6 April 2012 (UTC)
Letting everyone know that Turok: Dinosaur Hunter will be on Today's Featured Article on April 13th. Also, Friday the 13th is tomorrow! GamerPro64 15:22, 12 April 2012 (UTC)
This one is simple. I have noticed that several of the sources designated on the checklist as RS, Situational, or Non-RS have actually never been discussed in the normal discussion pages (WT:VG, WT:VG/S or WT:RS/N, etc.) Since the checklist is supposed to present consensus-based designations and since there's also been no objection to the un-discussed sources, I am assuming that most of them probably have been discussed and that the designations are accurate. So I propose that we discuss any objections to the current designation all at once in a single thread I started here. If there are no objections to the current designations (which have been in place for many months or years in many cases), then I think we can apply WP:SILENCE and assume that their designations should remain unchanged. Thanks in advance for considering the sources listed in the thread. - Thibbs ( talk) 02:21, 14 April 2012 (UTC)
I have become involved in a rather awkward and uncomfortable discussion on a forum with someone over whether or not HAL Laboratory should be viewed as a first party company or a second party company. I cited IGN - [5] and he has cited the HAL Laboratory article. To clarify, the article originally read second party, but was changed for unknown reasons to first party; I have recently changed it back to second party, with the IGN source. He may or may not be participating in this discussion, and if he does, will likely argue that my edits were in bad faith and/or vandalism. So if anyone could provide their input on the matter, that would be great. - New Age Retro Hippie (talk) (contributions) 03:54, 16 April 2012 (UTC)
Several IPs 98.164.126.212 and 98.164.116.249 has removed "survival horror" from the article on Resident Evil: Revelations, claiming that the game is a "third person shooter" only since it is " now much more focused on action and shooting", making the two genres " cancel each other out". Like most games of the series, it is still a survival horror game even if it has a focus on "action and shooting". I really don't want to edit war here. Hounder4 ( Talk) 19:22, 16 April 2012 (UTC)
They cancel each other out according to who? And if that was the case then the Anon. should have removed both since that's what 'cancelling each other out' actually means, not keeping one and removing the other. There are several sources stating that this particular game harks back to the original REs, more so than 4 and 5, so picking on this particular example is an odd thing to do anyway. If they don't explain themselves then there's no case to answer. Someone another 15:24, 17 April 2012 (UTC)
I'm wondering if someone could provide another set of eyes at Talk:PlaneShift (video game)#Primary sources and scope of article. Am I out of line here? I'm worried that a relatively obscure game/article will slip under the radar, and I'd like some input, either for or against my comments. Wyatt Riot ( talk) 05:29, 18 April 2012 (UTC)
I've recently been trying to go through the Checklist at WP:VG/S to concretely nail down WP:VG's stance on the usability of the listed sources in order to enhance clarity. In some cases I've found as many as 12 prior discussions on a source and still there has been no official determination as to its reliability. I'm currently presenting cases for the 9 most frequently-discussed of the no-consensus sources from the first third of the checklist (alphabetically covering sources A-G) at WP:VG/S. I've also presented the case for another source that has never been discussed just to bring the total to a round 10.
Considering how many discussions have occurred over some of these sources in the past it's time a solid determination was finally made. Please weigh in here even if it's just to make a simple up-or-down vote. Thanks for your help. - Thibbs ( talk) 05:59, 22 March 2012 (UTC)
Finished. I've now linked up all 1000+ sources listed in the WP:VG/S Checklist and I've added an additional 11 sources to be discussed (alphabetically covering O-Z). These 28 (total) sources represent the most commonly discussed of the non-consensus sources, and so presumably they are the most commonly used and/or disputed sources that still have not been given WP:VG's official stamp of approval or rejection. For obvious reasons, these are the most important items to deal with on the checklist.
We've now had 6 people responding to 1 or more of these presentations, with some of you having responded to as many as 9 of the discussions. Thanks to all of you who have helped out so far! And again I urge those of you who have not yet participated to weigh in. My efforts in this exercise have been to present what I understand to be the existing state of consensus regarding the sources based on past discussions (some as old as 2007). So even if someone has no opinions to share regarding the reliability based on the evidence, please at least review my conclusion regarding prior or emergent consensus as this will legitimize my determination. I have done my level best to plumb the discussion archives to uncover all commentary on each source and I'm very open to different interpretations of the prior consensus so please don't be shy. Rather than waiting to express your view on these commonly-discussed sources as an involved editor during a heated content dispute, I'd request that everyone participate in the discussion now as a rational and uninvolved editor. By my last count there are 648 editors watching this page. My minimal goal is to have at least 1% of the page watchers respond to my call, so I need at least 1 more person to take the plunge. If I can't reach this goal, I'll cry. :) - Thibbs ( talk) 16:34, 3 April 2012 (UTC)
Could I get some feedback on Talk:Piplup, Prinplup, and Empoleon? The article has only a few good sources, and even those do not address the topic well enough for notability. I would just merge it, but I think the article creator might protest without me showing a consensus. Blake ( Talk· Edits) 14:34, 20 April 2012 (UTC)
Hey VG members. There's a discussion at the Civilization V talk page here asking whether a list or table of the playable civilizations should be included in the article (essentially, whether such a list is gamecruft. Would any of you like to give your opinion? Thanks, Ed [talk] [majestic titan] 11:29, 7 March 2012 (UTC)
I first commented on that discussion in November 2010! Who re-animated the corpse? - X201 ( talk) 11:35, 7 March 2012 (UTC)
Civilization | Civilization | Civilization II | Civilization III | Civilization IV | Civilization Revolution | Civilization V |
---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
Americans | Yes | Yes | Yes | Yes | Yes | Yes |
Aztecs | Yes | Yes | Yes | Yes | Yes | Yes |
Babylonians | Yes | Yes | No | Yes | No | Yes |
The discussion involves several articles( Civilization II, Civilization III, Civilization III: Play the World, Civilization III: Conquests, Civilization IV, Civilization IV: Warlords, Civilization IV: Beyond the Sword, Civilization IV: Colonization, Civilization Revolution, Civilization V, and Civilization V: Gods & Kings). It's not so much who re-animated the corpse as it's been ongoing for well over a year now. It's looking very unlikely that a consensus is going to be reached on Talk:Civilization V#Removal of tables of Civilizations. With a new expansion announced it has the potential to get out of hand again (edit warring) so some more outside opinions would be appreciated in hopes of finally stopping the debate. I'm going to add a VG Discussion link to that talk page redirecting here as well (also, hope you don't mind me editing the topic name of this to make the link a bit more specific than "question"). Flygongengar ( talk) 22:53, 7 March 2012 (UTC)
Like in Mario Kart, this kind of table belongs in the general article: Civilization (series), which compares the different Civ games in one table. As for the individual articles of Civ, Civ II, Civ III, etc. -- they do not need their own tables displaying the Civs and their attributes. KyuuA4 ( Talk:キュウ) 21:16, 8 March 2012 (UTC)
Consider Megaman games, such as Mega Man X (video game) and Mega_Man_2. None of the Mega Man games have tables for the Robot Masters and the weapons Megaman acquires from them. Based on this pattern, Civ games should not have a table dedicated towards Civs and their attributes. KyuuA4 ( Talk:キュウ) 23:14, 7 March 2012 (UTC)
I may be wrong here, but wouldn't leaving a table with just the civilizations fall under WP:PLOTSUM and wouldn't have to be cited? Ed [talk] [majestic titan] 23:12, 9 March 2012 (UTC)
In order for the (Civ, Civ II, Civ III, and so on) articles to move forward. This situation must be resolved. To parallel with other games, like Mario Kart, Megaman, Mario games, their main articles like Civilization (series) do have a table summarizing inclusion or exclusion of playable characters and civs. Those tables function as summaries. That is fine. However, the individual articles (Mario Kart, Megaman, Mario games) do not have lists and tables for playable characters which includes other attributes such as abilities, skills, and other special attributes. Therefore, for the Civ games, the individual tables must not be included in Civ, Civ II, Civ III, and so on, per WP:GAMEGUIDE. It is time to follow the examples of other games in order to press forward with the Civilization articles. Otherwise, this argument will come up again. KyuuA4 ( Talk:キュウ) 00:55, 12 March 2012 (UTC)
I'm just going to comment that your argument is completely flawed. It is completely irrelevant if Mario Kart, Megaman, Mario games have or don't have tables in their individual articles. One can counter this by pointing to a ton of videogame articles that do contain lists or tables on their individual pages such as articles in the MvC series, the Tekken series, the Street Fighter series, Total War series (look at Total War: Shogun 2, I see a list of the 9 factions with descriptions of how they differ--is this more "acceptable" because it's in list and not table form?), blah, blah, blah WP:OTHERSTUFF. Even your examples are weak; there's no list of Robot Masters because playable characters could be argued to have more notability than non playable ones, the Mario games rarely feature different playable characters outside of aesthetic difference. I have no problem with wanting to settle the current debate and requesting a vote but please when doing so, put forward an actual argument and not, but this other page doesn't have it, especially when it's not universal across all gaming articles. Flygongengar ( talk) 23:40, 12 March 2012 (UTC)
Table or not, all of the civilizations need to be included in each article. Ed [talk] [majestic titan] 06:51, 13 March 2012 (UTC)
It doesn't matter what is or isn't in other articles. As they stand the list of Civs in the Civilisation articles goes against the WP:NOTGUIDE policy. I repeat policy. So unless there is some exceptional reason why the policy should be ignored and WP:IAR implemented, they have to go. None of the arguments for inclusion have compelled me to back their cause. And as it stands, there is no notability in the list of Civs, its just a list of playable characters and their in-game abilities. - X201 ( talk) 11:30, 13 March 2012 (UTC)
I think this discussion needs winding up. - X201 ( talk) 11:31, 8 April 2012 (UTC)
A user moved SimCity (2013 video game) to SimCity (2013 computer game) over the weekend with the edit summary "See WP:NAME", I moved it back stating our consensus that article should not use "computer game" as a disambiguation term ( WP:NCVG - "In addition never use "(computer game)" or "(computer gaming)" for any disambig even if the article is exclusively about a PC-related topic.") and left a note on the user's talk page explaining why. The user has moved it back, again with the edit summary "See WP:NAME", no response to my entry on their talk page. Can someone else please chip in before this turns into a move war. - X201 ( talk) 08:04, 16 April 2012 (UTC)
Simcity often later releases games for other media devices after development of the original product. Perhaps we shall someday see SimCity (2014 Xbox game), SimCity (2096 Neural network game), etc. For now, this page is not a disambig page, and its only a computer game, so I'm not quite sure what a "disambig" page has to do with anything. JamaUtil ( talk) 15:25, 16 April 2012 (UTC)
The article has now been moved to SimCity (2013 PC game). As you all know WP:VG only disambiguates by platform if its a platform specific remake. This new move is now starting to look like a deliberate attempt to flout guidelines and Wikilawyer the article to any disambiguation other than (video game) which the user seems to have a problem with. What would be the best plan of action to resolve this? A requested move debate, or just try and get it cleared up in the current RFD? either way I think we need admins involved. Thanks in advance for any advice. - X201 ( talk) 08:02, 18 April 2012 (UTC)
Just for archive purposes - The article was moved back to SimCity (2013 video game). It has 11 (eleven) different redirects, plus a new one that appeared shortly after the RFD close and move. We can keep the historic ones (SimCity5 etc), I've fixed some of the unhelpful ones and will RFD them. - X201 ( talk) 08:57, 25 April 2012 (UTC)
Baldur's Gate: Enhanced Edition uses "@TrentOster Twitter" extensively as a source, but we have no links to verify this, and I'm sure his Twitter page is changing constantly. Is there a way to fix this? 129.33.19.254 ( talk) 22:25, 24 April 2012 (UTC)
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♠talk 09:17, 25 April 2012 (UTC)I want to move the Talk page archives for Console role-playing game and Computer role-playing game (now archived at Talk:Role-playing video game) to Talk:History of Eastern role-playing video games and Talk:History of Western role-playing video games, respectively. However, this is a complicated task. In particular, I am confused as to what happened during these edits by User:JohnnyMrNinja: [6], [7]. It seems some discussion topics were removed, and others added. Where did the old stuff go to, and where did the new stuff come from? Also, could someone assist me and walk me through the moves? SharkD Talk 00:46, 27 April 2012 (UTC)
I've created your new archives with the threads that originally belonged to Console role-playing game and Computer role-playing game. -- ferret ( talk) 01:31, 27 April 2012 (UTC)
There are disputes regarding on God of War (series) and God of War: Chains of Olympus between User:JDC808 and User:Bluerim (JDC's comments are in the talk pages of GOW series and Chains of Olympus).
A year ago, JDC808 and Thebladesofchaos developed a "solution" for the lead section in GOW articles by "[keeping] the text in the correct tense, with information staying either in or out of universe in the correct places and avoided numerical repetition". JDC felt that the lead section that was expanded is "too excessive" and should leave it like that. Does the format JDC808 and Thebladesofchaos settled out looked okay or does it fail to comply to WP:VG/MOS? It looks like to me that the lead section on every GOW article is too short and/or may not adequately summarise its contents. Hounder4 ( Talk) 07:09, 27 April 2012 (UTC)
I have started a discussion at Talk:List of Xbox 360 games#Separating of the list, regarding the length of this page. It is exceptionally long, which increases loading times when just trying to edit the page. The amount of code can sometimes cause the page to freeze for awhile as well. I have not gotten any feedback, and would like some so please come to the talk page. BIGNOLE (Contact me) 00:32, 30 April 2012 (UTC)
I noticed a minor little edit war going on over at Mass Effect 3 as to whether or not to include Metacritic user scores within the article. What exactly is the VG Project's stance on citing user scores? I couldn't find any mention of it within the guidelines. DrNegative ( talk) 19:31, 28 April 2012 (UTC)
There have been edits by anons and User:Niemti to add an 8 kylobite character table with no sources to Tekken. Finding it as Undue weight and fancruft, I removed the list but Niemti reverted my edits stating the table was necessary with no discussions made before adding such a table. Regards. Tintor2 ( talk) 21:32, 30 April 2012 (UTC)
IP 98.164.116.249 expresses concerns that the Resident Evil series "began as a survival horror series, but it's now [...] a shooter series with a horror atmosphere." I know that survival horror and action (which basically a shooter) are not incompatible with each other, but if anyone has any suggestions on IP's comment, respond to Talk:Resident Evil: Revelations#Not a survival horror. Hounder4 ( Talk) 18:33, 2 May 2012 (UTC)
I'm not sure if this discussion is relevant to this WikiProject or not. There have been a large number of D&D video games, but I hesitate to immediately list it under WP:VG's delsort page. Axem Titanium ( talk) 18:08, 3 May 2012 (UTC)
Some articles on old Data East games like Bad Dudes mention that G-Mode currently has the rights to some of Data East's back catalog. Most of them link to a website, Data East games that is currently domain parked. I am not certain if this means that G-Mode no longer has rights to the games, but it definitely means that all external links to the site should be deleted and references should be tagged with the Dead link template. Previously versions of the site are unavailable from the Internet Archive as robots.txt prevented the site from being crawled. ---- Jtalledo (talk) 14:28, 6 May 2012 (UTC)
I have a question regarding what I assume would be covered by a video game specific notability guideline. A game from the early late 80s/early 90s has been noted as the inspiration for a game that is receiving significant cover but finding significant coverage of the game itself is difficult. Other guidelines like WP:AUTHOR and WP:PROF make exception for things like this but as there's no video game guideline, one does not exist. Is the game notable? I asked without noting the specific case to get a general idea of what this project has determined or if there's a precedent rather than solve a specific case. OlYeller21 Talktome 18:54, 6 May 2012 (UTC)
Looks like Masem slipped Raul an extra $20 as Limbo (video game) is prepared to be on Today's Featured Article on the 10th. GamerPro64 22:52, 8 May 2012 (UTC)
To those parties interested, this request has been sitting there for awhile. Commons:Commons:Deletion requests/File:Fzero-nopatterns.svg. « ₣M₣ » 04:19, 9 May 2012 (UTC)
Okay, the previous discussion seems to have gotten archived. Despite the last post being a declaration that "[the tables] do not have consensus support", the truth of the matter is closer to there being no consensus either way with almost an even split on both sides of the argument. Of the people that officially voted there were 3 deletes and 2 keeps. In terms of the members who actively participated in the discussion there appears to be 5 in favor of deleting the tables (KyuuA4, X201, Sergecross73, Masem, Salvidrim), 4 in favor of keeping the tables in at least some form (Flygongengar, Ed, Azolo, Kanjo Kotr) and ButOnMethItls who simply reminded everyone that the decision to keep or delete the tables is based on community consensus. (I grouped the names based on the arguments presented in the discussion, if you feel I misrepresented your opinion please say so here). The discussion has been going on for 2 months on the Project Video Game page.
The original discussion on the Civ V talk page has been ongoing since November 26, 2010 (so around one a half years). No real vote was ever done on the original page, however reading over the discussion the following people seemed to either oppose or support (at least in some form) the tables--and not double-counting people such as KyuuA4, X201, Masen, Ed, and Flygongengar who also participated on the project page--4 additional people expressed views completely against the tables (Oosh, Fin, DP76764, UncannyGarlic), 5-7 expressed views in favor of the tables in some form (Lowellian, TheFreeloader, The Dark Peria, Jenova20, Bloodycelt and 193.221.39.5 & 67.208.188.68 if we choose to count anons), and 2-3 took a relatively neutral stance (Walen, Muskeato & 69.3.100.169). Again, I grouped the names based on the arguments presented in the discussion, if you feel I misrepresented your opinion please say so here. Also, If I missed anyone, please speak up.
So after 18 months of debate the community seems split with 9 completely in favor of removing the tables, 9 (11 if we count anons) in favor of keeping the tables in some form, and 3 (4 if anons) remaining neutral. As one can see the debate has been ongoing for a significant amount of time and the community consensus is pretty even on both sides of the argument (and was also pretty evenly matched when looking at the individual discussions as opposed to an overview).
Because of this--and because the previous discussion reached such a point that it was archived--I'm convinced that it is unlikely that future discussion will reach a consensus either. The question is what to do now. Wikipedia:Consensus#No consensus holds that "in deletion discussions, no consensus normally results in the article, image, or other content being kept" which would mean keeping the current status quo of the pages and thus keeping the tables. I'm going to give this 2-3 weeks, but unless the debate seriously kicks up again with new blood allowing a consensus either way to be reached, I'm going to remove the "copy to gaming wiki" tag on all the tables at that time. Flygongengar ( talk) 23:36, 10 May 2012 (UTC)
Just a note to inform people here that I've split Psygnosis back out from SCE Studio Liverpool. -- Trevj ( talk) 15:30, 11 May 2012 (UTC)
-- Trevj ( talk) 23:52, 11 May 2012 (UTC)
I've added the discussion to the RFC list for Companies and Media. - X201 ( talk) 14:35, 14 May 2012 (UTC)
I'd just like to bring attention to the above two pages. They've been created in the past couple of weeks. I suspect them to be unattributed copy-and-paste of some Wikia articles or another. Seeing as they're mostly plot, they should probably be merged or be cleaned up (brought into line with WP:VG/GL). Anyone want to poke them? -- Izno ( talk) 02:50, 14 May 2012 (UTC)
I would like this article to be upgraded to at least Start in the portal. It has an infobox, a logo and a lot of information about the game. Could someone please review it? Shaun9876 ( talk) 18:35, 14 May 2012 (UTC)
Thanks Shaun9876 ( talk) 19:37, 14 May 2012 (UTC)
I've started a discussion about updating/changing/clarifying the Cast List part of the Inappropriate Content section of the Article Guidelines.
The discussion is here -
X201 (
talk) 10:09, 19 May 2012 (UTC)
Hi, I've recently posted a question at WikiProject Pokemon but I haven't received any feedback. If anyone here is familiar with the Pokemon series and might be able to shed a little light on the issue I've identified, please comment here. Thanks in advance. - Thibbs ( talk) 20:10, 21 May 2012 (UTC)
The VGratings template is up for deletion. See - Wikipedia:Templates_for_discussion#May_23 apparently similar ones for film and TV have been deleted and the video game one is next in the firing line. Don't know what the rational for deletion of the others was. - X201 ( talk) 12:30, 23 May 2012 (UTC)
Additional: In 2009 WP:FILM moved to excluded ratings from their infobox for reasons such as systemic bias etc. Rather than have indiscriminate listing of ratings, they now focus on ratings in prose if they have been controversial or note worthy. So despite my inital shock, I agree with that idea, it would mean deleting the ratings field on the infobox, making the infobox shorter :) and push towards prose for exceptional ratings. - X201 ( talk) 12:37, 23 May 2012 (UTC)
Hi there! I'm looking up information for 3D Tetris, a game for the Virtual Boy that received relatively little attention. I found one review in the LA Times through ProQuest, as well as reviews on various fan site of questionable notability. I'm looking for a wider variety of sources, though. Does anyone know where I can find reliable databases of old video game magazines, reviews, and the like? Perhaps there is a research database to that effect. Or where I might find information about them in reliable sources? Some textbooks do mention the Virtual Boy, although I'm not finding a lot on this game in particular. 3D Tetris is not impossible to find - the Virtual Boy was a relatively important console and wasn't released all that long ago. Thanks in advance for your help. CaseyPenk ( talk) 09:00, 24 May 2012 (UTC)
I've just had another thought. I think there is a (very) brief mention of Tetris 3D in this month's GamesTM, in the Retro collector section, if someone could have a look for CaseyPenk. Would do it myself, but haven't got access to my copy at the moment. - X201 ( talk) 11:30, 24 May 2012 (UTC)
Okay, so images are one of the few areas on Wikipedia I'm not that knowledgeable about, (which I'm fine with, it typically doesn't interest me) but I'm tired with arguing with the user there, so I figured I'd bring it up here.
So the issue is the main infobox picture at Sonic 4. A month or so ago, User:Zagurzem kept on switching in a logo that was merely the "Sonic the Hedgehog" in text, which I felt was a bad choice, considering the image prior to it already contained the same logo, but also contained an image of Sonic as well. There was no reason to "downgrade" to a picture that captured less of what the game was about. He eventually stopped this, but a week ago, another user added a different, second image to the infobox, and now Zagurzem is proposing using all three images. (See here for what it looks like as of writing this.)
Again, I'm not real familiar with image policy, but I know it's a "keep it to a minimum" type things, which makes me think that three in the infobox alone is excessive. When I try to remove them, he always answers with things like "No, please, give it a shot" or "I think you'll see it my way eventually" rather than giving a real rationale or quoting policy or anything. So I was looking for input/help. Thoughts? Sergecross73 msg me 18:14, 24 May 2012 (UTC)
Really? Text best illustrates a platformer video game like this? *Sigh* this is why I stay away from image stuff in general I guess...
Sergecross73
msg me 01:53, 25 May 2012 (UTC)
Sergecross, I am so sorry about all of this. After reading your long message to me, I now understand my mistakes.
We should just use the logo that was used in the first place in order to not cause any more trouble. I see that there was some controversy regarding the non-free usage of the images that I wanted to use. Before I uploaded the images, I read the policy and thought I was in the clear, but I guess I wasn't. Am I going to go to jail or something???
I meant well when I was editing the Sonic pages. I just wanted information that was accurate because I have been a fan of Sonic since I was seven. I am not the most experienced person with Wikipedia, but I am learning more thanks to you guys helping me.
I will continue editing Wikipedia, but I will most likely refrain from uploading images from now on.
I hope you guys understand. User:Zagurzem —Preceding undated comment added 12:55, 25 May 2012 (UTC).
On the other hand, Sergecross' idea to "post the newest logo, and caption it with "Promotional art for Sonic 4: Episode II" is a pretty good idea as well. That way, it is kept up to date with the latest installment. And if/when an Episode III comes out, we can replace it with that logo. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Zagurzem ( talk • contribs) 13:35, 25 May 2012 (UTC)
Hi everyone! As I was reading the Sony article I came across some patterns that I found very troubling - first, a lack of objective information and historical context; second, an overwhelmingly negative and critical approach found in most sections. I started a discussion located at Talk:Sony#POV problems. Whether you share my concerns or see the issue differently, please provide your input and chip in with some constructive edits to the main article. I appreciate any help. Thank you. CaseyPenk ( talk) 16:58, 25 May 2012 (UTC)
This page List of video game remakes is completely wrong. And is similar at the categorie:vidéo game remakes where there is, the same, a lot of games who aren't remake but simply " Porting" or re edition. LatinoSeuropa ( talk) 19:17, 26 May 2012 (UTC)
A user has moved the article about the original Xbox console, from Xbox to Xbox (console). It seems their intention was to create an Xbox brand article similar to PlayStation, but what they've actually put up is a stub article with no references and a graphic from Commons where they claim to be the copyright owner of the Xbox logo (Rumours and logo I have now removed). The Xbox needs a "brand" article, but this one isn't it.
Trying to decide on best plan of action, prod/delete and then move the original back, or Requested move of brand article to Xbox (brand) and (console) to Xbox. Opinions? - X201 ( talk) 15:08, 27 May 2012 (UTC)