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@ Indrian and PresN: Please do whatever shredding and the like you need to, I've been trying to parse from multiple duplicated unsourced content to get to this one (And still have more duplicated content to worry about elsewhere). You two seem to have the better handle on the early year/1st gen stuff, and the goal here on this article is to touch enough about it and direct readers to summary style articles for the specifics on each gen (or for the Early History). -- Masem ( t) 17:47, 5 August 2020 (UTC)
A few sales figures of the table which documents the sales of some first-generation consoles seem a bit strange to me. According to its article, the Odyssey sold at 350,000 times or more depending on the source, not 100,000. The Home Pong number (150,000) seem to refer only to the number of manufactured consoles of the first model (see "Pong#Home version"), not to the sales of the whole series (there were 21 models in the Home Pong series according to the Russian-language Wikipedia article, 8 of them marketed by Atari and 13 by Sears). The only source I found for the sales of the Home Pong series I found was this: https://www.oldest.org/entertainment/video-game-consoles/. I don't know if it's reliable, it states that it sold 35 million units (35,000 million is obviously a typo). That sounds like a lot, but since there were so many models and Pong was such a famous game, it may be possible.-- Maxeto0910 ( talk) 07:02, 10 August 2020 (UTC)
101 million units for the Odyssey is obviously either a typo or an awkward error. Even if the site means the sales of the whole Odyssey series, 101 million units can't be real.
I recommend to note in the first-generation table and in the "console sales" section that the Home Pong and Coleco Telstar sales only refer to the first model of their series each.-- Maxeto0910 ( talk) 15:45, 10 August 2020 (UTC)
When the Xbox Series X and the PlayStation 5 potentially come out this holiday season 2020 will they be the 9th generation possibly Jared L 9999 ( talk) 16:28, 16 August 2020 (UTC)
If Virtual Boy belongs in this article, how come the Oculus Quest/ Oculus Quest 2 don't get put in the article? -- ProfessionalCost ( talk) 03:23, 12 November 2020 (UTC)
Please see WT:VG#The dreaded 9th Gen discussion... to discuss if we should consider going forward with calling out the 9th generation of video game consoles. -- Masem ( t) 01:00, 13 November 2020 (UTC)
Wikipedia itself has been noted for creating its own version of console generation definitions that differ from other academic sources, which has been adopted by other sources but without having any true rationale behind it.
Whose definition is adopted? Wikipedia's or the academic sources? I'll assume it's Wikipedia's but I need clarity.
Enjoyer of World(
bother me...) 04:56, 1 December 2020 (UTC)
You just have to check the sales table in the article to be aware of all the inconsistencies. Wii U and 3DS were consoles of the 8th generation. Switch replaced both of them, and so, it became the first console of the 9th generation of game consoles. It is right now competing with PS5 and Series S/X, and it will continue for many years. Nintendo Switch was launched 5 years after the 8th generation started, and PS5 and Series X, 8 years after that. As you say in the article, 5 years is the standard period of time between generations.
On the other hand, sales figures haven't been updated.
Persisting on this basic mistake since it was decided that Switch was a 8th generation console, will eventually make harder to do all the changes that are required in order to have a proper article about History of video game consoles — Preceding unsigned comment added by Alcabcucu ( talk • contribs)
History of computer games redirects to History of video games, which covers these PC games in the "Second wave of home computers" section. History of computer game platforms is a red-link. The NEC PC98 and NEC PC88 are basically game consoles. Same with the MSX, Commodore 64, ZX Spectrum, Amiga, etc. Lots of major games on these consoles like Metal Gear, Vampire Killer, Snatcher, the Taito games like Chack'n Pop, lots of weird RPGs, visual novels, and strategy games (and hentai games) on these platforms. Not to mention the Codemasters games, Argonaut Software, Rareware, and the rich British gaming industry from the 80s and early 90s. So maybe this history should talk about PC game platforms a bit. Or we should make a parallel article for that. Andre 🚐 00:06, 2 September 2022 (UTC)
Who has come up with these generations? What determines when a new generation starts? — Kri ( talk) 23:36, 28 February 2023 (UTC)
The topics seem to almost completely overlap, if not completely. Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 06:53, 29 November 2023 (UTC)
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Text and/or other creative content from this version of History of video game consoles was copied or moved into Home video game console generations with this edit on 25 January 2021. The former page's history now serves to provide attribution for that content in the latter page, and it must not be deleted as long as the latter page exists. |
@ Indrian and PresN: Please do whatever shredding and the like you need to, I've been trying to parse from multiple duplicated unsourced content to get to this one (And still have more duplicated content to worry about elsewhere). You two seem to have the better handle on the early year/1st gen stuff, and the goal here on this article is to touch enough about it and direct readers to summary style articles for the specifics on each gen (or for the Early History). -- Masem ( t) 17:47, 5 August 2020 (UTC)
A few sales figures of the table which documents the sales of some first-generation consoles seem a bit strange to me. According to its article, the Odyssey sold at 350,000 times or more depending on the source, not 100,000. The Home Pong number (150,000) seem to refer only to the number of manufactured consoles of the first model (see "Pong#Home version"), not to the sales of the whole series (there were 21 models in the Home Pong series according to the Russian-language Wikipedia article, 8 of them marketed by Atari and 13 by Sears). The only source I found for the sales of the Home Pong series I found was this: https://www.oldest.org/entertainment/video-game-consoles/. I don't know if it's reliable, it states that it sold 35 million units (35,000 million is obviously a typo). That sounds like a lot, but since there were so many models and Pong was such a famous game, it may be possible.-- Maxeto0910 ( talk) 07:02, 10 August 2020 (UTC)
101 million units for the Odyssey is obviously either a typo or an awkward error. Even if the site means the sales of the whole Odyssey series, 101 million units can't be real.
I recommend to note in the first-generation table and in the "console sales" section that the Home Pong and Coleco Telstar sales only refer to the first model of their series each.-- Maxeto0910 ( talk) 15:45, 10 August 2020 (UTC)
When the Xbox Series X and the PlayStation 5 potentially come out this holiday season 2020 will they be the 9th generation possibly Jared L 9999 ( talk) 16:28, 16 August 2020 (UTC)
If Virtual Boy belongs in this article, how come the Oculus Quest/ Oculus Quest 2 don't get put in the article? -- ProfessionalCost ( talk) 03:23, 12 November 2020 (UTC)
Please see WT:VG#The dreaded 9th Gen discussion... to discuss if we should consider going forward with calling out the 9th generation of video game consoles. -- Masem ( t) 01:00, 13 November 2020 (UTC)
Wikipedia itself has been noted for creating its own version of console generation definitions that differ from other academic sources, which has been adopted by other sources but without having any true rationale behind it.
Whose definition is adopted? Wikipedia's or the academic sources? I'll assume it's Wikipedia's but I need clarity.
Enjoyer of World(
bother me...) 04:56, 1 December 2020 (UTC)
You just have to check the sales table in the article to be aware of all the inconsistencies. Wii U and 3DS were consoles of the 8th generation. Switch replaced both of them, and so, it became the first console of the 9th generation of game consoles. It is right now competing with PS5 and Series S/X, and it will continue for many years. Nintendo Switch was launched 5 years after the 8th generation started, and PS5 and Series X, 8 years after that. As you say in the article, 5 years is the standard period of time between generations.
On the other hand, sales figures haven't been updated.
Persisting on this basic mistake since it was decided that Switch was a 8th generation console, will eventually make harder to do all the changes that are required in order to have a proper article about History of video game consoles — Preceding unsigned comment added by Alcabcucu ( talk • contribs)
History of computer games redirects to History of video games, which covers these PC games in the "Second wave of home computers" section. History of computer game platforms is a red-link. The NEC PC98 and NEC PC88 are basically game consoles. Same with the MSX, Commodore 64, ZX Spectrum, Amiga, etc. Lots of major games on these consoles like Metal Gear, Vampire Killer, Snatcher, the Taito games like Chack'n Pop, lots of weird RPGs, visual novels, and strategy games (and hentai games) on these platforms. Not to mention the Codemasters games, Argonaut Software, Rareware, and the rich British gaming industry from the 80s and early 90s. So maybe this history should talk about PC game platforms a bit. Or we should make a parallel article for that. Andre 🚐 00:06, 2 September 2022 (UTC)
Who has come up with these generations? What determines when a new generation starts? — Kri ( talk) 23:36, 28 February 2023 (UTC)
The topics seem to almost completely overlap, if not completely. Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 06:53, 29 November 2023 (UTC)