The Boss (Metal Gear)
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The current sources at reception were just listicles and rankings. I tried to find any sources about this character per WP:BEFORE, but I cannot find any sigcov. Relying mostly with this single journal here [1] wouldn't help notability. Greenish Pickle! ( 🔔) 22:39, 12 April 2024 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Fictional elements and Video games. Greenish Pickle! ( 🔔) 22:39, 12 April 2024 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the Science fiction and fantasy. 🥒 Greenish Pickle!🥒 ( 🔔) 23:53, 18 April 2024 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Liz Read! Talk! 22:47, 19 April 2024 (UTC)- Merge per Conyo. This article isn't meeting notability as of right now. Has one ever considered Magneton? Pokelego999 ( talk) 01:07, 24 April 2024 (UTC)
Merge to Characters of the Metal Gear series#Introduced in Metal Gear Solid 3: Snake Eater as an WP:ATD.I found a GameRant article [2] but not sure if this would really count. I'm also not sure if GameRant is reliable or not. Conyo14 ( talk) 03:12, 20 April 2024 (UTC)- It is situational as a source, but Valnet sources does not help notability according to WP:VG/RS. 🥒 Greenish Pickle!🥒 ( 🔔) 03:15, 20 April 2024 (UTC)
- Merge per WP:ATD. There is some sourcing but it's questionable whether it reaches WP:SIGCOV. This can be covered at the main game article. Shooterwalker ( talk) 01:37, 24 April 2024 (UTC)
- Keep.
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[7] She has also been discussed with sigcov in these lists:
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[11] I have not looked into any book or scholar sources yet, nor have I checked Japanese sources. -
Cukie Gherkin (
talk) 01:08, 25 April 2024 (UTC)
- Personally, I think the Kotaku and IGN looks good, thou other sources doesn't really help GNG, but can also he used to improve the article further. So, I feel like the article is barely notable for now but is still in weak state. 🥒
Greenish Pickle!🥒 (
🔔) 01:15, 25 April 2024 (UTC)
- After checking further, I felt like I'm satisfied a bit with the sources that were brought here now. But, I'll let afd stay here let others state their opinions here. 🥒 Greenish Pickle!🥒 ( 🔔) 01:16, 25 April 2024 (UTC)
- Personally, I think the Kotaku and IGN looks good, thou other sources doesn't really help GNG, but can also he used to improve the article further. So, I feel like the article is barely notable for now but is still in weak state. 🥒
Greenish Pickle!🥒 (
🔔) 01:15, 25 April 2024 (UTC)
- Keep I've decided to create a source analysis of Cukie's sources, and it has changed my !vote:
Source analysis by
Conyo14
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Not that it matters to affecting your !vote, the Game Developer blog is one that was chosen as a featured blog by GD editorial staff, and the author is a published SME in gaming. As far as The Mary Sue goes, it is listed as a reliable source on WP:RSP. I also do not believe that the use of WP:ROUTINE is appropriate; none of the citations I listed are news sources, all of these sources were posted years after release, written (presumably) because the author wanted to write about it. The Destructoid source, for example, is written as part of a series of significant parts of video games for their staff, with the author saying things like "Shooting The Boss, while over in a blink of an eye, really is a pretty innovative and surprisingly memorable moment. While it could have easily been incorporated into the always impressive cutscenes, making one, small creative decision to have the player perform this final killing shot makes the scene infinitely more powerful" as well as discuss the relationship between the player, Snake, and The Boss, their musing over whether the player is required to kill her or just let her die, and speculation on what Kojima was intending to depict by making the player execute her. I would strongly dispute the notion that ROUTINE applies in any capacity here. WP:SUMMARY also applies to an extent, but not to the entirety. The source is being utilized not for the description of the plot of The Boss, but for the author's feelings on her and her death. - Cukie Gherkin ( talk) 07:14, 25 April 2024 (UTC)
- Could you provide the thread for The Mary Sue?
Conyo14 (
talk) 17:48, 25 April 2024 (UTC)
- The discussions should be linked on the perennial sources page in The Mary Sue's entry - Cukie Gherkin ( talk) 19:40, 25 April 2024 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Any thoughts on the keep !votes?
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Toadette Edit! 05:19, 27 April 2024 (UTC)- Keep per sources listed above by Cukie Gherkin. X ( talk) 05:14, 28 April 2024 (UTC)
The Boss (Metal Gear)
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The current sources at reception were just listicles and rankings. I tried to find any sources about this character per WP:BEFORE, but I cannot find any sigcov. Relying mostly with this single journal here [1] wouldn't help notability. Greenish Pickle! ( 🔔) 22:39, 12 April 2024 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Fictional elements and Video games. Greenish Pickle! ( 🔔) 22:39, 12 April 2024 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the Science fiction and fantasy. 🥒 Greenish Pickle!🥒 ( 🔔) 23:53, 18 April 2024 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Liz Read! Talk! 22:47, 19 April 2024 (UTC)- Merge per Conyo. This article isn't meeting notability as of right now. Has one ever considered Magneton? Pokelego999 ( talk) 01:07, 24 April 2024 (UTC)
Merge to Characters of the Metal Gear series#Introduced in Metal Gear Solid 3: Snake Eater as an WP:ATD.I found a GameRant article [2] but not sure if this would really count. I'm also not sure if GameRant is reliable or not. Conyo14 ( talk) 03:12, 20 April 2024 (UTC)- It is situational as a source, but Valnet sources does not help notability according to WP:VG/RS. 🥒 Greenish Pickle!🥒 ( 🔔) 03:15, 20 April 2024 (UTC)
- Merge per WP:ATD. There is some sourcing but it's questionable whether it reaches WP:SIGCOV. This can be covered at the main game article. Shooterwalker ( talk) 01:37, 24 April 2024 (UTC)
- Keep.
[3]
[4]
[5]
[6]
[7] She has also been discussed with sigcov in these lists:
[8]
[9]
[10]
[11] I have not looked into any book or scholar sources yet, nor have I checked Japanese sources. -
Cukie Gherkin (
talk) 01:08, 25 April 2024 (UTC)
- Personally, I think the Kotaku and IGN looks good, thou other sources doesn't really help GNG, but can also he used to improve the article further. So, I feel like the article is barely notable for now but is still in weak state. 🥒
Greenish Pickle!🥒 (
🔔) 01:15, 25 April 2024 (UTC)
- After checking further, I felt like I'm satisfied a bit with the sources that were brought here now. But, I'll let afd stay here let others state their opinions here. 🥒 Greenish Pickle!🥒 ( 🔔) 01:16, 25 April 2024 (UTC)
- Personally, I think the Kotaku and IGN looks good, thou other sources doesn't really help GNG, but can also he used to improve the article further. So, I feel like the article is barely notable for now but is still in weak state. 🥒
Greenish Pickle!🥒 (
🔔) 01:15, 25 April 2024 (UTC)
- Keep I've decided to create a source analysis of Cukie's sources, and it has changed my !vote:
Source analysis by
Conyo14
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Not that it matters to affecting your !vote, the Game Developer blog is one that was chosen as a featured blog by GD editorial staff, and the author is a published SME in gaming. As far as The Mary Sue goes, it is listed as a reliable source on WP:RSP. I also do not believe that the use of WP:ROUTINE is appropriate; none of the citations I listed are news sources, all of these sources were posted years after release, written (presumably) because the author wanted to write about it. The Destructoid source, for example, is written as part of a series of significant parts of video games for their staff, with the author saying things like "Shooting The Boss, while over in a blink of an eye, really is a pretty innovative and surprisingly memorable moment. While it could have easily been incorporated into the always impressive cutscenes, making one, small creative decision to have the player perform this final killing shot makes the scene infinitely more powerful" as well as discuss the relationship between the player, Snake, and The Boss, their musing over whether the player is required to kill her or just let her die, and speculation on what Kojima was intending to depict by making the player execute her. I would strongly dispute the notion that ROUTINE applies in any capacity here. WP:SUMMARY also applies to an extent, but not to the entirety. The source is being utilized not for the description of the plot of The Boss, but for the author's feelings on her and her death. - Cukie Gherkin ( talk) 07:14, 25 April 2024 (UTC)
- Could you provide the thread for The Mary Sue?
Conyo14 (
talk) 17:48, 25 April 2024 (UTC)
- The discussions should be linked on the perennial sources page in The Mary Sue's entry - Cukie Gherkin ( talk) 19:40, 25 April 2024 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Any thoughts on the keep !votes?
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Toadette Edit! 05:19, 27 April 2024 (UTC)- Keep per sources listed above by Cukie Gherkin. X ( talk) 05:14, 28 April 2024 (UTC)