Comment: @
Piotrus:, are you asserting that what the article purports to be full chapters in two different game programming books doesn't amount to SIGCOV? I don't have access to or know these sources, so maybe you know something not obvious from the description here. ~
A412talk! 08:07, 3 April 2024 (UTC)reply
@
A412 I did not realize the second one is a book (dead link, all refs are malformatted and don't suggest they are books). The third one does link to a book page but I could not verify the contents (it is just publisher page). I also remain unconvinced that coverage in how-to/textbooks is sufficient to prove something is notable, unless those books are widely used. There is a lot of low quality spammy how-to/textbooks in the computer sciences field, particularly now in the AI days (although those works are likely old enough to at least not be AI creations). Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus|
reply here 22:50, 3 April 2024 (UTC)reply
Keep: "Game Programming with Python, Lua, and Ruby" does indeed have a chapter on it, although I can't access the full text, unsure about the other one. There seems to be some decent sources in Google Books and some in Scholar. StreetcarEnjoyer(talk) 18:11, 3 April 2024 (UTC)reply
Alright, Amazon lists pub as Course Technology PTR, a subsiduary of
Cengage Group. Course Technology PTR has Premier Press
as an imprint. While I'm fairly confident who the publisher is, I can't say whether or not there's editorial control. @
Piotrus I suspect you have an unrelated Premier Press website there, by the looks of it they're not in educational publishing. ~
A412talk! 02:17, 4 April 2024 (UTC)reply
Just a comment: List of games built with ClanLib:
https://web.archive.org/web/20060626025824/http://www.clanlib.org/games.html - all of them seems to be hobby projects or even learning projects. I doubt that any of that on it's own would have Wikipedia article. Quickly looking at the list I do not see anything commercial or noteworthy.
Pbm (
talk) 08:44, 5 April 2024 (UTC)reply
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Shadow311 (
talk) 15:08, 24 April 2024 (UTC)reply
Yeah I would personally delete it. Looking for useful game engines and this page wasted my time.
24.113.50.192 (
talk) 09:30, 25 April 2024 (UTC)reply
WP:NOTUSEFUL. The article "wasting your time" is irrelevant to the deletion discussion. What matters is if the books that discuss the subject are independent and contain
WP:SIGCOV. Industrial Insect(talk) 18:33, 25 April 2024 (UTC)reply
Comment: Just some thoughts. I remember ClanLib. Back in the day, it was a 'big thing' for GNU/Linux users. At the time,
Pingus was one of
its showcase projects. Eventually, late 2007, Pingus
switched to SDL. But early on, both gained popularity as
SEUL(-supported) projects. Pingus still has
its website there, and starting 19 July 2003 ClanLib was
hosted there. I agree that ClanLib is not - or, no longer - notable enough to have its own article on Wikipedia, but perhaps it could get a single sentence at
Video games and Linux § 1998–2002. Then the ClanLib article could redirect there. --
62.166.252.25 (
talk) 17:46, 27 April 2024 (UTC)reply
Comment: @
Piotrus:, are you asserting that what the article purports to be full chapters in two different game programming books doesn't amount to SIGCOV? I don't have access to or know these sources, so maybe you know something not obvious from the description here. ~
A412talk! 08:07, 3 April 2024 (UTC)reply
@
A412 I did not realize the second one is a book (dead link, all refs are malformatted and don't suggest they are books). The third one does link to a book page but I could not verify the contents (it is just publisher page). I also remain unconvinced that coverage in how-to/textbooks is sufficient to prove something is notable, unless those books are widely used. There is a lot of low quality spammy how-to/textbooks in the computer sciences field, particularly now in the AI days (although those works are likely old enough to at least not be AI creations). Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus|
reply here 22:50, 3 April 2024 (UTC)reply
Keep: "Game Programming with Python, Lua, and Ruby" does indeed have a chapter on it, although I can't access the full text, unsure about the other one. There seems to be some decent sources in Google Books and some in Scholar. StreetcarEnjoyer(talk) 18:11, 3 April 2024 (UTC)reply
Alright, Amazon lists pub as Course Technology PTR, a subsiduary of
Cengage Group. Course Technology PTR has Premier Press
as an imprint. While I'm fairly confident who the publisher is, I can't say whether or not there's editorial control. @
Piotrus I suspect you have an unrelated Premier Press website there, by the looks of it they're not in educational publishing. ~
A412talk! 02:17, 4 April 2024 (UTC)reply
Just a comment: List of games built with ClanLib:
https://web.archive.org/web/20060626025824/http://www.clanlib.org/games.html - all of them seems to be hobby projects or even learning projects. I doubt that any of that on it's own would have Wikipedia article. Quickly looking at the list I do not see anything commercial or noteworthy.
Pbm (
talk) 08:44, 5 April 2024 (UTC)reply
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus. Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, LizRead!Talk! 04:46, 10 April 2024 (UTC)reply
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus. Relisting comment: More participation needed. Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks,
Shadow311 (
talk) 14:09, 17 April 2024 (UTC)reply
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus. Relisting comment: Final relist. Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks,
Shadow311 (
talk) 15:08, 24 April 2024 (UTC)reply
Yeah I would personally delete it. Looking for useful game engines and this page wasted my time.
24.113.50.192 (
talk) 09:30, 25 April 2024 (UTC)reply
WP:NOTUSEFUL. The article "wasting your time" is irrelevant to the deletion discussion. What matters is if the books that discuss the subject are independent and contain
WP:SIGCOV. Industrial Insect(talk) 18:33, 25 April 2024 (UTC)reply
Comment: Just some thoughts. I remember ClanLib. Back in the day, it was a 'big thing' for GNU/Linux users. At the time,
Pingus was one of
its showcase projects. Eventually, late 2007, Pingus
switched to SDL. But early on, both gained popularity as
SEUL(-supported) projects. Pingus still has
its website there, and starting 19 July 2003 ClanLib was
hosted there. I agree that ClanLib is not - or, no longer - notable enough to have its own article on Wikipedia, but perhaps it could get a single sentence at
Video games and Linux § 1998–2002. Then the ClanLib article could redirect there. --
62.166.252.25 (
talk) 17:46, 27 April 2024 (UTC)reply