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File:LaraCroftTombRaiderEvoWUnderw.jpg is used in the Tomb Raider article, but consists of a crap-load of screenshots, one from every Tomb Raider game. I'm doubtful this qualifies under fair use since it's a "gallery" of sorts.-- ZXCVBNM ( TALK) 21:31, 28 September 2009 (UTC)
I looked at this picture and I think this should be deleted. Anyone agree? GamerPro64 ( talk) 22:59, 28 September 2009 (UTC)
I'm curious, is there a guideline on use of montages such as this? Though its clear that this particular case really pushes the line too far, should two or more images be put together in one file and given one overall rationale, or should they be uploaded separately, given separate rationales and put together using the {{ Imageframe}} function in the article body (as seen here and here)? -- Sabre ( talk) 14:12, 29 September 2009 (UTC)
Kinda self explanatory, the idea is that the Pokémon franchise has such a large volume of characters that doing this will enable us to get a better idea of what may or may not work as an article, and steadily build upon each section and add those as needed for subjects without articles so that once one hits sufficient size, we can full develop a subject and give it proper treatment. I realize this won't be everyone's cup of tea, but I think it's a lot better to make this work as an organized effort.-- Kung Fu Man ( talk) 00:12, 29 September 2009 (UTC)
The peer review for List of Knight's Cross recipients of the Waffen-SS, an article within the scope of the Military history WikiProject, is now open. The Military history WikiProject is currently partnering with our project to share peer reviews, so all editors are cordially invited to participate, and any input there would be very appreciated! Thanks! Kirill [talk] [pf] 12:08, 30 September 2009 (UTC)
There is an ongoing discussion at Talk:Final Fantasy VII#File:FFVIIsephirothkillsaeris.jpg regarding the edition of an image of a scene in the story. The discussion has become quite long and it would be good if somebody experienced in these things could join the discussion. Regards. Tintor2 ( talk) 20:47, 30 September 2009 (UTC)
I purpose a merge of the WonderSwan, WonderSwan Color, and SwanCrystal articles under the name WonderSwan line in the hope of pooling together enough information on these short lived consoles to further improve the articles as a whole. An example of my proposition can be seen under My Sandbox at MystifiableUnknown(Please note that this is nothing more than a copying over from the original WonderSwan articles I have not yet been able to properly edit it).
The articles should not be merged. Each is a clearly notable system, and some found success in Japan. It may be worth creating an analogue to Game Boy line, with parent and child articles, but each system can stand alone and should be allowed room to grow. - hahnch e n 21:55, 30 September 2009 (UTC)
After doing further research on the subject I am now convinced that my proposal is unnecessary. I had thought when I posted it that there was not enough information on the three separate game systems to make three complete articles I now believe I was wrong, that there is in fact more than enough.
Is Atari video game burial something that needs to exist on its own? If the information currently present cannot be improved upon, it could probably be used to strengthen the video game crash article or the E.T. article. TTN ( talk) 21:39, 30 September 2009 (UTC)
The current GCOTW is an article about a Maxis programmer, who appears to have some notability (though no refs), but I wouldn't say he was high-importance. On the talk page, a user claimed it was a vanity page, but as I said before, he doesn't seem non-notable.-- ZXCVBNM ( TALK) 00:01, 2 October 2009 (UTC)
I have recently noticed that the Online print archive, which was designed to be a review index, is also extremely useful as a tool for finding print previews, interviews, features and the like. However, while locating and indexing reviews is difficult, doing the same for other kinds of material would be nearly impossible. Therefore, I thought I would ask if anyone was looking for Mid-Late '90s or Early '00s research material. Even though the Internet Archived pages are there for anyone to access, some of them can be tricky to maneuver; I can help with this, since I learned their workings while digging up reviews. So, if anyone is looking for such information, hit me up on my talk page and I'll see what I can do.
As a warning, though, the archives are extremely random, and some important game articles were never archived. Like I said, I'll see what I can do, but depending on the game, it might not be much. Or I might get lucky and find a treasure trove. Guess you'll just have to ask and find out. JimmyBlackwing ( talk) 09:28, 2 October 2009 (UTC)
The peer review for Pearl Corkhill, an article within the scope of the Military history WikiProject, is now open. The Military history WikiProject is currently partnering with our project to share peer reviews, so all editors are cordially invited to participate, and any input there would be very appreciated! Thanks! Kirill [talk] [pf] 02:26, 3 October 2009 (UTC)
In the article Lego Batman: The Video Game, a list of characters has been added. There have been discussions about whether or not this should be included here and here. Anybody know what to do. Well, I would have thought remove it, but I thought I should bring it up here first, Lord Spongefrog , (I am the Czar of all Russias!) 09:25, 3 October 2009 (UTC)
Hello, would like some help @ header link. It's a mid-importance article with many pages linking to it. BlazerKnight ( talk) 11:53, 3 October 2009 (UTC)
Anyone care to give your opinion here? Thanks. -- uKER ( talk) 06:04, 4 October 2009 (UTC)
The peer review for Inner German border, an article within the scope of the Military history WikiProject, is now open. The Military history WikiProject is currently partnering with our project to share peer reviews, so all editors are cordially invited to participate, and any input there would be very appreciated! Thanks! Kirill [talk] [pf] 19:27, 4 October 2009 (UTC)
This is a revival of the recently archived discussion Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Video games/Archive 73#Largest wikiproject? Where are we on moving our members list out of Category:WikiProject Video games members and into Wikipedia:WikiProject Video games/Members? - sesu PRIME 02:02, 13 September 2009 (UTC)
The membership list is intended to replace the membership category, right? So shouldn't the category be posted at WP:CfD? - sesu PRIME 18:15, 16 September 2009 (UTC)
Follow up- To the coders here, would the following code added to {{ User WPVG}} accomplish the intended effect described above?
<includeonly>{{#ifeq:{{{active|}}}|<!-- nothing -->|[[Category:WikiProject Video games members|{{PAGENAME}}]]}}</includeonly>
( Guyinblack25 talk 14:50, 6 October 2009 (UTC))
I've been trying to recruit some people to look over Star Wars: Episode I: Battle for Naboo before I submit it for FAC. Anyone want to take a stab at it? Thanks! -- Torsodog Talk 17:56, 6 October 2009 (UTC)
For the foreign language video game editors, that is. I was inspired by the presence of a "gameplay" image in an article I wrote, Pong Toss: Frat Party Games, that I think explains the article subject well and allowing me to avoid using any fair use images. For example, no one "owns" the "notes going down the board" engine, so someone could make a simple monochrome image of this engine. This way, foreign language Wikis can get an image to actually demonstrate the gameplay, and it doesn't clash with their rules on fair use images. Anyone interested in this? - The New Age Retro Hippie used Ruler! Now, he can figure out the length of things easily. 19:57, 6 October 2009 (UTC)
Looking at ZSNES, bsnes, and Snes9x, someone's placed a features section in each article, that lists mostly the same things for each emu, and most of it isn't "notable features", as is claimed. "Windowed and fullscreen display modes"? I was just going to take it out, but maybe someone who knows the standard for stuff like this better than I could give a second opinion? Audiosmurf ♪/ ♫ 07:12, 27 September 2009 (UTC)
Has anyone else seen the Military history WikiProject's online training school? Personally, I think it's awesome and think we should emulate it or something as close as possible. What do you guys think about the academy? ( Guyinblack25 talk 15:51, 6 October 2009 (UTC))
Super Smash Bros. Brawl will "Today's Featured article" on October 13th. Apparently Raul is mad at Masem or something. :-p
Anyway, some watchers to catch vandalism and the normal main page shenanigans would be helpful. ( Guyinblack25 talk 14:36, 8 October 2009 (UTC))
Some other user decided to split the content of Strider into the following articles.
I see no point for either articles. The former is just in-universe fancruft and the latter is nothing but an overview of four games that could be covered ( and were) in a single sub-section in Strider (arcade game). Jonny2x4 ( talk) 01:33, 9 October 2009 (UTC)
Hi there! Maybe you don't know what to get me for my 35th birthday, but I have an idea; how about Planescape: Torment on the main page for 12/12/09? ;) Not only would that be a nice present for me, but it is the 10th anniversary of the game's release so that should go a long way to help get it some support. I'll be trying to pay attention for when the availability opens up, if one of you doesn't beat me to it. :) BOZ ( talk) 04:08, 9 October 2009 (UTC)
I decided I ought to get further comment from the project on these. The first article hasn't improved much and has failed to show a need to be separate, and the second, while not being out for much time yet, doesn't really demonstrate any significant differences. - The New Age Retro Hippie used Ruler! Now, he can figure out the length of things easily. 20:35, 8 October 2009 (UTC)
This week's CotW is Cheating in video games. Its importance is high. Should it really be that important? GamerPro64 ( talk) 01:03, 9 October 2009 (UTC)
Let me re-phrase. Does an article about video game cheating really need to have an High-importance? To me, it doesn't seem that important to the WikiProject. GamerPro64 ( talk) 02:10, 9 October 2009 (UTC)
New Age Retro Hippie recently moved Fortress (video game) to Fortress (Square Enix) to make the first article be about a 2001 GBA game. I have three questions concerning this:
Megata Sanshiro ( talk) 09:41, 9 October 2009 (UTC)
Anyone who can help expand this, please do so. I was kind of foolish and ended up spoiling a lot of content for the game for myself, so I'm pretty much done, though I'll be playing Bioshock so I can join in with the editing. Thanks! Here are some links that may help (spoilers!): [5] [6] [7] [8] [9]- The New Age Retro Hippie used Ruler! Now, he can figure out the length of things easily. 05:30, 10 October 2009 (UTC)
I having a minor edit war against a couple of other users regarding the Super Mario Bros.. They insist on using the informal name of the " Famicom Disk System" over its official name, " Family Computer Disk System" (or just the "Disk System"), since the former is more commonly used in English writing. From my understanding, the platform's official name is always used first (i.e. Nintendo Entertainment System, PlayStation 2), followed by whatever abbreviated name they're most commonly known by (NES, PS2). Jonny2x4 ( talk) 21:49, 11 October 2009 (UTC)
Does anyone know if a source is listed on a aggregate site like Metacritic [10] makes a source reliable? « ₣M₣ » 00:17, 12 October 2009 (UTC)
I can't believe I'm typing this, but I'm having an argument with Kizor about including a picture of a female character's ass in Prince of Persia: Warrior Within. It is debates like these that make me weep for the future of this encyclopedia project. -- Jtalledo (talk) 03:05, 12 October 2009 (UTC)
I'd like to post this note to inform vgproj contributors that User:Andrevan has been on a deletion spree for the past few days. He has been prodding and nominating articles for deletion left and right. I have nothing against this administrator and nothing against deleting non-notable articles, but I do believe this rate of nominations is too rapid and not being handled with enough care. For example, less than two minutes elapsed between Andrevan's prodding of The Adventures of Fatman and Nelly Cootalot: Spoonbeaks Ahoy!, which suggests that he might not have read the second article and all its sources quite thoroughly. In addition, his nomination of Aveyond series has been met with a massive consensus of Keep votes. Furthermore, the 'previous nominations' links (on that page) lead to nominations for Amaranth Games instead of Aveyond series, which apparently goes to show that something was copy-pasted too quickly without proof-checking. Again, please understand that this is not a 'pitch and fork' comment from an anti-Wikipedian or angry person. I would just like to point out what appears to be a case of 'haste makes waste'. Thanks! Pauca sed bona ( talk) 23:30, 10 October 2009 (UTC)
I have nominated Final Fantasy VI for a featured article review here. Please join the discussion on whether this article meets featured article criteria. Articles are typically reviewed for two weeks. If substantial concerns are not addressed during the review period, the article will be moved to the Featured Article Removal Candidates list for a further period, where editors may declare "Keep" or "Remove" the article's featured status. The instructions for the review process are here. The Prince ( talk) 21:26, 12 October 2009 (UTC)
Can anyone help me hunt down the various release dates for ToeJam & Earl III: Mission to Earth? The sources I've looked at just list the NA date of Oct 2002. Judging by review dates the EU and Australia versions were released in March 2003 but none of them gives an explicit release date (someone else has added an EU release of 7 March 2003 to the article but not provided a source). I think GameSpot has all the dates (although their NA date was a day out at 23 Oct 2002 IIRC) but I can't get their site to load (I'm guessing my crappy connection), so it would nice if someone could check. bridies ( talk) 14:57, 12 October 2009 (UTC)
Got the EU release date from GameFAQS. Any idea about Australia and perhaps Japan? bridies ( talk) 13:34, 13 October 2009 (UTC)
Play Asia doesn't have it listed, so there's the posibility that it wasn't released in Japan either. AirRaidPatrol 84 ( talk) 15:06, 13 October 2009 (UTC)
Several older player's guides made by third party publications actually have reception on characters, such as Versus Books' guide for Pokemon Red/Blue/Yellow. Now while I can understand some are already taking a defensive stance hear me out: if the guide gives reception, can be proven to be third party, and can be shown to not be giving reception for all existing characters in a game (many guides in fact will not), can it be used for reception and/or augmenting existing sources used for notability?-- Kung Fu Man ( talk) 10:26, 13 October 2009 (UTC)
I have done a lot of work on Space Gun (video game) and could do with a fresh pair of eyes to do some grammar and spelling checks to hopefully increase it's quality rating. If someone has some time feel free to check it and make the relevant changes. AirRaidPatrol 84 ( talk) 08:07, 13 October 2009 (UTC)
It looks like they changed up their format, many old URLs no longer work. You might go through old articles you've used them for citations and try to hit up Wayback Machine for any you need to restore/fix.-- Kung Fu Man ( talk) 14:41, 13 October 2009 (UTC)
This isn't something like 360 doing 1080p and PS3 only 971p or something minor, but instead the omission of major features of a game. Specifically, Guitar Hero 5 had a usual release across the 360, ps3, wii and (yes still) the ps2. The features of the the 360 and PS3 versions are well documented, and the additions on the Wii side are also well described by sources. But there is no source that would even begin to be considered reliable that touches on the PS2 version and the fact it is missing much of the new features of the game (based on what I've read from user reviewers and from editors that want to include this information). Normal website reviews that have the game are using a generic, platform neutral version that doesn't touch at all on the PS2 side. Now again, if it was something like graphics quality or the like, I would dismiss it, but this is objectively clear omissions likely due to the PS2 hardware limitations, and if sources were available, I'd immediately include it. Manuals won't help as it could be argued that saying that manual for version X doesn't describe a feature in manual Y to imply that feature is not present in X is synthesis.
The only available source otherwise would be forum posts, and I'm worried about that path. Any suggestions how to go about this? -- MASEM ( t) 14:35, 14 October 2009 (UTC)
I originally removed a GameFAQs EL here because for this game it didn't seem to be a useful resource - but as Lorson pointed out, neither was the MobyGames EL, although the latter is mentioned at WP:VG/EL as possibly appropriate on a case-by-case basis.
But on at VG/EL, I also noted that GameSpot is "inappropriate" due to it's commercial nature. By extension, I assume that the GameSpot-affliated GameFAQs [13] is also inappropriate? I ask because of extensive use of the GameFAQs template by Lorson [14]. Your thoughts?
mobygames is commercial. what about all the links to the shopping sites for every game and the big advert on the right of every page? and mobygames only covers english released games when gamefaqs covers games that are only released in Japan. and gamefaqs gives game covers without two large watermarks on every single one.-- Lorson ( talk) 17:18, 15 October 2009 (UTC)
Since ELs are supposed to be kept to a minumum ( WP:EL), is it not redundant to list multiple directory sites with similar information anyway? In the case of the Alchemist article I mentioned above, both MobyGames and GameFaqs are not as comprehensive as the World of Spectrum link, for example. Marasmusine ( talk) 08:59, 16 October 2009 (UTC)
We have article on San Francisco Rush and then we have San Francisco Rush: Extreme Racing. What a mess. The one withouth subtitle seems to be the older one. I guess redirect the older to the newer or does it require an admin to merge the edit histories? -- Mika1h ( talk) 14:25, 16 October 2009 (UTC)
People are complaining on the talk page about the cover art being wrong. Can someone upload the new one? Thanks. Blake ( Talk· Edits) 13:04, 14 October 2009 (UTC)
- In cases where a game is developed in an English speaking country, the cover for that country is used. In cases where it's not, I believe the general consensus is that whichever is uploaded first is what's used unless the other is clearly better for other reasons.
← Use the US version. Consensus everywhere else that I know of has been to use the cover released in the country where it was developed; in this case, the US. Another example of a similar US/UK difference: Ratchet & Clank Future: A Crack in Time. We use the US name (which contains "Future") because it was developed in the US, and we use the US cover because (in addition to matching the article title) it was developed in the US. LittleBigPlanet uses the UK cover because it was developed in the UK. – Drilnoth ( T • C • L) 17:10, 16 October 2009 (UTC)
I have a lot of issues with the sourcing in the intro paragraph of this article. I've discussed those sources here. The main contributor then reverted my edits. I'd appreciate a second look from the people here. SharkD ( talk) 22:48, 14 October 2009 (UTC)
Okay, I don't get it. Why are video game series sometimes referred to here as "franchises"? A franchise is a business license, not the characters, locations, and gameplay elements that bring several video games together. We should at least pick one and make it consistent; I actually saw the Call of Duty series referred to as a "series franchise" on its main article. Tezkag72 ( talk) 22:52, 15 October 2009 (UTC)
Then why is Mario (series) not located at Mario (franchise). Megata Sanshiro ( talk) 07:35, 16 October 2009 (UTC)
Can someone point out a definition of "media franchise"? Other than the Wikipedia article and mirrors, I can't find one. Miremare 14:27, 17 October 2009 (UTC)
I've been having an argument with an editor about the amount of non-free images in the Donkey Kong Country 2: Diddy's Kong Quest article. Currently, he has added 10 non-free images, only 1 of which is a gameplay shot and 2 of which are cover art. Please weigh in here if you have any input. Also, the editor is insisting upon having the Japanese version's name AND katakana in the first sentence of the lead, two things that I think are completely unnecessary considering the game was developed in an English-language country. Thoughts? -- Torsodog Talk 19:33, 17 October 2009 (UTC)
I've been mulling over a push for a GT/FT on the Pokemon species articles, as 3 are GA, 1 is FA, and all but one have clear potential to get to GA, with a few hot on their heels. However, I'm not sure how to approach such an idea, since it means most likely having to get all the lists sections to GA or higher as well, which is would be 100x the workload, and would drastically increase the frailty of a GT or FT as links degrade and information pours forth.
Is there a work around anyone can think of? Right now here are the following articles we're looking at:
Yep, as you can see big workload.-- Kung Fu Man ( talk) 17:33, 16 October 2009 (UTC)
While we are here, does anybody have any suggestions for List of Pokémon (1–20) to get it to GA? Because it would have to be the "example article" to help make the others. Blake ( Talk· Edits) 02:22, 18 October 2009 (UTC)
I have Star Wars: Episode I: Battle for Naboo up for FAC, and they are requesting more review sources. Unfortunatly, since this game wasn't all that popular, good sources aren't very easy to find. I was wondering if anyone had this issue of NP though, as it contains a review of the game that I might be able to use. Anyone have it? I think it has Hey You Pikachu! on the cover. Thanks! -- Torsodog Talk 06:14, 18 October 2009 (UTC)
Looking for help on the List of video game consoles article for anyone interested. We especially need help in expanding, and cleaning. Also if anyone has time to verify some of the game consoles already on there that would definitely be helpful.
DQ PR has been ongoing for some time could use some more as I would prefer not to have to reissue the PR because of this as I need some more serious comments before bringing this to a FAC. 陣 内 Jinnai 20:53, 19 October 2009 (UTC)
Some time ago there was a discussion on Xenosaga character articles and I had made a sandbox version of a Shion Uzuki article to see if there was enough material to have a standalone article for this character. User:A Man In Black said there was not enough and I agreed, so I didn't put that version in the mainspace. However, looking at the character articles recently created by User:New Age Retro Hippie for the Final Fantasy series, it seems maybe there was enough after all. What is the consensus on recreating Shion Uzuki? Megata Sanshiro ( talk) 08:44, 17 October 2009 (UTC)
There's an ongoing discussion on the MW2 talk page page about moving the page from Modern Warfare 2 to Call of Duty: Modern Warfare 2. Existing discussion (and consensus) was to leave the name at Modern Warfare 2 (presumably as it's been called this throughout development - the Call of Duty was added to the box due to Activision concerns about brand recognition, it's not recognised by the developer in game at all) but there's been a lot of moving over the past few days. Anyway, if anyone wants to chip in, feel free. Thanks! Fin © ™ 22:09, 19 October 2009 (UTC)
Can someone explain the difference between these two categories: Category:Interactive movie video games and Category:Full motion video based games? Shouldn't they be merged?
Should there be something on the main page for this Wikiproject that the cleanup department is inactive? It makes it sound like it's still working. Abce2| This is not a test 16:01, 21 October 2009 (UTC)
If not, I don't want anyone going out of their way to help; it's only for a little comment from it I want to use as reception. - The New Age Retro Hippie used Ruler! Now, he can figure out the length of things easily. 05:09, 22 October 2009 (UTC)
I think this is just game guide content at best. Instruments are essentially items in Wii Music and nothing more. Item lists = game guide content. Thoughts? RobJ1981 ( talk) 04:10, 23 October 2009 (UTC)
I recently noticed that something's wrong with GameSpot: when clicking this link I wanted to see the credits for the game Another Mind, but instead of seeing the names of the developers I only see digits. Am I the only one seeing this, and if not is it only temporary? I often use GameSpot's tech info pages as sources in articles I work on, and I'm not really keen on changing the source of all those articles if it's just temporary. Any thoughts on the matter? The Prince ( talk) 15:59, 24 October 2009 (UTC)
I would like to point out the community here of some of the interesting photo and drawing in patents. Most patent images are public domain, see Template:PD-US-patent. I think patents here are an underused resource, now if I could only find that Soul Calibur patent again. — Dispenser 17:36, 13 October 2009 (UTC)
[15] Stiltzkin-eng ( talk) 08:12, 14 October 2009 (UTC)
Does anyone know what core games are? I've searched everywhere. Abce2| This is not a test 00:47, 21 October 2009 (UTC)
Hey folks,
Core Design was in a bit of a bad state. I've started cleaning it up, but a huge amount of work is needed: for a start, the article basically begins and ends with Tomb Raider, though Core were respected developers across the 16-bit platform years before the Playstation. And it doesn't even have that much material on Tomb Raider, despite it being the game which Eidos owes its continued existence to. Anyone who can pitch in, feel free to help. Chris Cunningham (not at work) - talk 13:55, 25 October 2009 (UTC)
Anyone interested in cleaning up Command & Conquer (video game), since it's this week's collaboration? Nothing serious; just some work to make it more respectable, orderly and guideline-following. It's in poor shape, currently, so every little bit would help. Count me in. JimmyBlackwing ( talk) 03:11, 25 October 2009 (UTC)
Hello,
Can anyone tell me where the organisation of video game console with generations comes from ? The only direct reference I've found is the following : [19]. Since no article on Wp is dedicated to the author, Michael Miller, it seems to me too sketchy to be the only ref... Zandra[ Moa ? 09:39, 25 October 2009 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 93.16.161.237 ( talk)
If someone has time, please take a look at Half-Life 2: Episode Three (video game) and see if it's worth merging into Half-Life 2: Episode Three to recreate the article. Otherwise, just redirect it again or merge it somewhere. Gary King ( talk) 20:22, 26 October 2009 (UTC)
We've got over twenty articles currently up there, all waiting for a reviewer.-- Kung Fu Man ( talk) 01:40, 25 October 2009 (UTC)
I recently had to delete a portion of sales figures from the Wolfenstein article, citing it as not a reliable source for accurate sales figures, only for it to reappear and have me remove them once more. With the popularity of this website being cited by many amateur gaming websites (and the gamers at large), I'm starting to think we should blacklist the site from being used as a source for any accurate sales figures.
To support my claim, this article at Gamasutra should help: [20]
Personally, the only sites that should be used as an accurate source is NPD, Media Create and whatever Europe uses. Am I the only one agreeing with this? TonicBH ( talk) 15:17, 27 October 2009 (UTC)
I just noticed GVnayR ( talk · contribs) tagging Street Fighter II with this category. Turns out he/she just created the category today, with the definition of "Video games that feature strong female characters that don't require male assistance to get around." I think this is category is unnecessary - is it really important to categorize games that have strong female characters? I'd like some input on this. NeoChaosX ( talk, edits) 03:29, 28 October 2009 (UTC)
A user is questioning whether IGN is reliable or merely a promotional source in nature. Anyone with a better idea of IGN's internal organization may want to comment here on WP:RS/N. -- MASEM ( t) 13:50, 28 October 2009 (UTC)
I have noticed on the articles for all three Dino Crisis games the a detailed tracklisting is given for the soundtrack CDs for each game. Is this really suitable for the articles? If the soundtrack albums have got enough notability then they could have their own articles but I don't think this kind of detail belongs on the page for the individual game. Mention of a soundtrack CD can be put into the article, perhaps under a section about Development, but only if this can be properly referenced. Currnetly there is no referencing for the CDs at all on any of the three articles. AirRaidPatrol 84 ( talk) 10:01, 29 October 2009 (UTC)
I noticed this was proposed to be merged, but didn't see a whole lot of discussion on the talk page. How about we discuss this now? Personally I don't see a huge need for a series page when he has had 2 games, and an apppearance in Brawl. Most of the series article is focused on his Brawl appearance, which is just recentism at it's finest. RobJ1981 ( talk) 11:49, 29 October 2009 (UTC)
Does anybody have access to the instruction manuals for the Amiga, Atari ST and/or Sega Master System versions of Space Gun? I would be interested to know if any of them contain plot, character, enemy or locations details that I could use to expand the article. I have used the ZX Spectrum version that is hosted online but it does not go into too much detail. AirRaidPatrol 84 ( talk) 13:49, 29 October 2009 (UTC)
Chrono Cross's 10th anniversary is coming up, and I've recently made sure the article's up to standard by trimming the plot and expanding the development section to reflect new translations. I'm in a very busy semester and don't have as much time as I'd like to babysit the TFA page and wait until the earliest request is pruned. If anyone's in the neighborhood of Wikipedia:Today's featured article/requests and sees an opening (I'll be checking as much as I can), it'd be awesome if you could post the TFA blurb I've primed at User:Zeality.
I'm expecting a huge fight. The last time I tried a decennial TFA ( Chrono Trigger, arguably a better article because more development history materials have been translated), it was bitterly opposed by other Wikipedians prejudiced against VG articles, and Raul ultimately had to move it a month forward to placate their bile. I'll probably be back here to rally some support. If it's like it was in early 2008, then they really hate video game articles over there. ZeaLitY [ DREAM - REFLECT ] 02:02, 23 October 2009 (UTC)
Okay, the TFA request is live on Wikipedia:Today's_featured_article. ZeaLitY [ DREAM - REFLECT ] 01:56, 1 November 2009 (UTC)
Mmh, not to single out this article or something but, how comes it's a GA? o_O It's really surprising. Megata Sanshiro ( talk) 18:28, 31 October 2009 (UTC)
OK, in a previous thread, I dealt with Dragon's early-80s "The Electric Eye" column, which ran in most issues from Dragon #33-63 and profiled aspects of computers including some video games. I managed to add tidbits to several VG articles (and created stubs for some of them), including early text-based games Civil War and Star Trek, Scott Adams's "Adventure" series ( Adventureland, Pirate Adventure, Strange Odyssey, and Ghost Town), as well as other early games Dungeon of Death, Android Nim, and Time Traveller. The column ended abruptly, and I found only two more reviews in the early 1980s, one of which covered Wizardry: Proving Grounds of the Mad Overlord, Akalabeth: World of Doom, and Crush, Crumble and Chomp!, and another which covered Dunzhin.
Oh, but no, I'm not hardly done yet! :) Dragon's "The Role of Computers" was the second of three computer related columns that I'm aware of, so I'm hitting that next. It started in 1986 in issue #110 and was quite a bit more in-depth than "The Electric Eye" on computer games and ran for much longer. As I had stated previously I was going to add a mention of the column to the article of every game that had been reviewed. The column ran in most issues up through 1993 in issue #196 with "The Lessers" as reviewers. The new column "Eye of the Monitor" began in the following issue; reviewer Sandy Petersen wrote the column from #197-209, and after that the column was either by "Jay & Dee", Lester Smith (once), or any or all of the trio of Ken Rolston, Paul Murphy, and David "Zeb" Cook, and ran in that schizophrenic fashion sporadically from #211-223. I'll take care of "Eye of the Monitor" if I make it through "The Role of Computers" in the first place; not sure what Dragon did after that third column went kaput, but my guess is that they realized other magazines were doing a better job handling computer games, and decided just to just stick to pen and paper.
"The Role of Computers" usually tackled more than one game per issue; since it ran for some 70-80 issues, I'd say that safely puts us into the realm of over a hundred games from 1986-1993! As I've stated earlier, I don't intend to do more than put a blurb into each article with a comment that interested parties can seek me out for more info. Hopefully there is a higher percentage here of games which already have articles, because needing to toss up a stub more than occasionally will definitely slow me down! Issue #110 starts the column off with a review of the MacIntosh version of Wizardry, which I will get to shortly! BOZ ( talk) 00:58, 7 August 2009 (UTC)
I decided to hit up the other reviews from 1986 as well, adding blurbs to Rogue (112), Wizard's Crown (114), and The Bard's Tale (116). I might do 1987 and maybe even more, tonight; we'll see. :) BOZ ( talk) 01:46, 7 August 2009 (UTC)
Issue #118 had three reviews. The first one was for OrbQuest, The Search For Seven Wards, from QWare, Inc. for the MacIntosh. I could find absolutely nothing on the internet for this, so I wonder what to do; I will not create a stub at this time since I can't find any additional info. Also reviewed in this column were Roadwar 2000 and World Builder. BOZ ( talk) 00:45, 9 August 2009 (UTC)
Got more: The Bard's Tale II (120), the first Might and Magic (122), Realms of Darkness (122, created this one), and Black Magic (124). One thing of note is that just about every "The Role of Computers" column also contains a number of one-to-two paragraph mini-reviews. I have not been touching on these because that would really slow me down, but perhaps at some point I'll go back and catalogue those as well. I'm going to start looking at #126 momentarily; it's worth noting that up through #124, the column was semi-monthly, but #126 states that the column begins going monthly (probably due to its popularity at the time). BOZ ( talk) 01:52, 9 August 2009 (UTC)
Issue #126 actually does not contain a review, although it promises an upcoming one for Phantasie III; the column is mostly devoted to talking about the state of the computer gaming industry at the time. #127 similarly contains no review, but discusses in detail the awarding of the AD&D license to Strategic Simulations, Inc.; I'll have to make sure to get back to that one before long! :) #128 features Shadowgate and a few mini-reviews. I think I'll take a break there as that concludes 1987; since 1988 apparently begins the first full year of monthly columns, that should take some work and time. :) BOZ ( talk) 02:12, 9 August 2009 (UTC)
I realized that with issue #128 they started giving the games ratings (1-5 stars), so I will be adding that as well from now on. :) I will also add this to any articles with one of those ratings tables, since that will help. Got Tower of Myraglen (129, started this one), Wizardry IV (130, preview), Phantasie III (130), Legacy of the Ancients (131), and Beyond Zork (132) tonight. More to come, sooner or later! :) BOZ ( talk) 02:49, 11 August 2009 (UTC)
First time for this, but I figured it was just a matter of time! Quarterstaff from #133 already has the review noted in article - one less for me to do. ;) Added blurbs to Dream Zone (134, started this one), Alternate Reality: The City and Alternate Reality: The Dungeon (135), Dungeon Master (136), and my personal favorite: Ultima V: Warriors of Destiny (137). Will be back before long to finish off 1988. BOZ ( talk) 22:14, 13 August 2009 (UTC)
Got Star Command (138, started this one). #139 had no column; 140 had several smaller (less than one page) reviews. You know, I have been skipping all the smaller reviews less than one page so far, so I think I'll do the same here. I'll try to come back and get all of these, depending on just how long it takes me to get through all the featured reviews. Will start 1989 before long - hopefully tonight! BOZ ( talk) 23:14, 13 August 2009 (UTC)
Issue #141-142 featured smaller reviews on a number of games; I've skipped them for now, but I'm definitely starting to feel like I'm going to have to make an effort to make a "second trip around" on this column and pick back up on stuff like that. :) #143 I've already taken care of, as part of my plan to take Pool of Radiance down the path to GA. :) When I got to #144, I realized that the smaller reviews might be getting to be a trend, so I'll try to do at least the first game reviewed: I did Arkanoid (144), Wizardry V: Heart of the Maelstrom (145), and Might and Magic II: Gates to Another World (146). Will conclude 1989 before long! BOZ ( talk) 01:42, 14 August 2009 (UTC)
Got these: J. R. R. Tolkien's War in Middle-earth (147), Hillsfar (147), Prophecy: The Fall of Trinadon (148), Curse of the Azure Bonds (149), the original Populous (150), Silpheed (151), and Dragon Wars (152). That concludes 1989, and I'll begin 1990 before long. :) Enjoying this so far at all? BOZ ( talk) 19:35, 14 August 2009 (UTC)
Got Their Finest Hour: The Battle of Britain (#153), Mines of Titan (#154), Citadel: Adventure of the Crystal Keep (#155, started this one), Champions of Krynn (#156), skipped #157 for now, and finished with Bomber (#158, started this one as well). Will get more soon, but not necessarily tonight! BOZ ( talk) 00:47, 19 August 2009 (UTC)
Got Loom (#159). BOZ ( talk) 03:16, 24 August 2009 (UTC)
Got Conquests of Camelot: The Search for the Grail (#160), DragonStrike (#161), Ultima VI: The False Prophet (#162), Secret of the Silver Blades (#163), and MegaTraveller 1: The Zhodani Conspiracy (#164, started this one). That caps off 1990; been slow going because I've been busy, but will start 1991 before long. :) BOZ ( talk) 19:13, 29 August 2009 (UTC)
Got Railroad Tycoon (#165) and Wing Commander (#166) - sad how underdeveloped the Wing Commander article is! BOZ ( talk) 12:41, 3 September 2009 (UTC)
I figured out a way to do this much faster, so I cleaned out the rest of 1991. :) I got Tunnels & Trolls (#167), Wizardry VI: Bane of the Cosmic Forge (#168), The Lord of the Rings, Vol. I (#169), King's Quest V (#170), Eye of the Beholder (#171), Darkspyre (#172, started this one), Death Knights of Krynn (#173), Quest for Glory II: Trial by Fire (#174), Castles (#175), and Heart of China (#176). I'm satisfied with that – time for a break! :) BOZ ( talk) 01:57, 4 September 2009 (UTC)
Quicker indeed - I just finished what I wanted to do from 1992 in an hour! Got Might and Magic III: Isles of Terra (#177), Gateway to the Savage Frontier (#177), Pools of Darkness (#178), Conquests of the Longbow: The Legend of Robin Hood (#179), Castles: The Northern Campaign (#180), Block Out and Ishido (#181), Buck Rogers: Matrix Cubed (#182), the masterpiece itself the original Civilization (#183), Out of This World (#184), no column for #185-186, A-Train (#187), and Aces of the Pacific (#188). Next time up, I will finish out the column with the whole of 1993! Maybe tomorrow! :) BOZ ( talk) 03:55, 5 September 2009 (UTC)
And, I finished off 1993 in less than an hour. :) Got The Dagger of Amon Ra (#189), Darklands (#190), Might and Magic IV: Clouds of Xeen (#191), King's Quest VI: Heir Today, Gone Tomorrow (#192), Amazon: Guardians of Eden (#193), Conquered Kingdoms (#194, started this one), Night Trap (#195), and Challenge of the Five Realms (#196). Well, that finishes off my first pass at the run of the column! As I mentioned earlier, I will definitely be making a second pass, and hitting all the ancillary reviews that I skipped the first time around. There are quite a few, so bear with me! :) In fact, since I have some time tonight to do it, I may very well start within the hour! BOZ ( talk) 00:07, 6 September 2009 (UTC)
Why not - having finished my first pass (getting, really, only a fraction of the reviews in this column), I might as well start off my promised second pass. :) Should begin shortly, and end... before the end of 2009 hopefully? ;) BOZ ( talk) 01:26, 6 September 2009 (UTC)
I started Dragonfire II: The Dungeonmaster's Assistant. I admit that last time I skipped it because I wasn't quite sure what to do with it. It's not a game per se, but it is a computer program to assist in the management of other games, so make of that what you will. :) BOZ ( talk) 13:05, 8 September 2009 (UTC)
No new reviews tonight, but I added a bunch of blurbs from short notices I found in the magazine. There were quite a few such notices, but I only made use of ones which included some sort of commentary (at least a phrase or a sentence) outside of just describing what is in the game. One thing I did find was a table in #126, which finally gave star-ratings to most of the games reviewed up to that point (as well as Chuck Yeager's Advanced Flight Trainer). Anyway, that was quite a bit of work for the night, so that's it for me! BOZ ( talk) 03:41, 9 September 2009 (UTC)
I was wrong about #127 above; it did have one mini-review, for Earl Weaver Baseball. #128 had mini-reviews for S.D.I., Into the Eagle's Nest, and Delta Patrol, the last two of which do not have articles at this time. I may come back later and create stubs for them, but don't feel like it at this moment. :) BOZ ( talk) 03:30, 15 September 2009 (UTC) - (Update; created Into the Eagle's Nest, and realized that Delta Patrol was just a version of Delta. BOZ ( talk) 17:30, 27 September 2009 (UTC))
Issue #129 had mini-reviews for Pinball Wizard, GBA Championship Basketball. The Ancient Art of War at Sea, California Games, and The Eternal Dagger, so I added notes for each that has an article. Starting here in 1988, we see a lot more mini-reviews. Note that each column has a bunch of notes on publisher and games, and previously I had been adding bits to articles here and there... well, I just don't have the time and energy to keep up with that. I think from here on, I'll just stick with picking up the reviews I skipped on the first pass. Sorry. :) BOZ ( talk) 04:47, 21 September 2009 (UTC)
Added notes from the mini reviews the following, to those which have articles: Sanxion (#130), Mini-Putt, Alternate Reality: The City, Empire, Scrabble, Marble Madness, Street Sports Basketball, and Harrier Combat Simulator (all #131). There are a ton of mini-reviews in #132, so I will get to them most likely another time. :) BOZ ( talk) 01:57, 23 September 2009 (UTC) - (Update; found Empire so didn't need to create that one, but I started a few other articles) BOZ ( talk) 00:43, 28 September 2009 (UTC)
Just finished #132, which had reviews for Pirates!, and yes a ton of mini-reviews: Hardball, Test Drive, Championship Baseball, On-Court Tennis, The Last Ninja, Wings of Fury, Earl Weaver Baseball (Amiga version), Skate or Die!, World Tour Golf, Winter Games, World Games, The Faery Tale Adventure, Superstar Soccer, Might and Magic (IBM version), Falcon, Soko-Ban, and Halls of Montezuma: A Battle History of the U.S. Marine Corps. BOZ ( talk) 01:12, 26 September 2009 (UTC)
Got a few more tonight: #133 - Dragon's Lair (C64 version), Skyfox II: The Cygnus Conflict, Indoor Sports, and Monte Carlo; #134 - Strike-Fleet, The Naval Task Force Simulator, and The Pawn; and #135 - Airborne Ranger, Power!, Decisive Battles of the American Civil War Volume 1: Bull Run to Chancellorsville, Tetris (IBM version), and TNK III. More later! BOZ ( talk) 04:04, 26 September 2009 (UTC)
I went back over the reviews I had skipped and started articles for anything which I couldn't find - got over a dozen new stubs created today! I'm beat. :) Notice no more redlinks above? I'm going to create them as I go (or soon after) from now on. Also handled a few more tonight: #136 - Basketball Challenge and Fantasy Zone; and #137: Oids, Out Run, Ebonstar, and The Universal Military Simulator. BOZ ( talk) 03:52, 28 September 2009 (UTC)
Finished up 1988 - making progress! Took care of the rest of the reviews from #138 - Questron II, The Bard's Tale III: Thief of Fate, Power At Sea, Shanghai, and Wooden Ships and Iron Men. #139 had no column, and I had skipped #140 entirely previously, which contained: F/A-18 Interceptor, Chuck Yeager's Advanced Flight Trainer (MacIntosh version), Global Commander, Road Runner, Might and Magic (MacIntosh version), Penguin Land, and PT-109. Articles forthcoming in the near future for those which are lacking! BOZ ( talk) 05:26, 29 September 2009 (UTC)
Started 1989 with #141: Roadwars, Rockford, AAARGH!, Dive Bomber, Epyx VCR games (Play Action VCR California Games, Play Action VCR Golf, Play Action VCR Football, Head-On Baseball, Head-On Football), Moebius: The Orb of Celestial Harmony, Alien Syndrome, Solitaire Royale, Tetris (MacIntosh version). Going to create stubs for some of those, but probably not tonight - very tired! :) BOZ ( talk) 00:54, 2 October 2009 (UTC)
Got #142 today - this was a big 'un! Well, lots of little reviews, with many of them being MS-DOS versions of arcade games or of games previously reviewed in the column: Empire (MS-DOS version), Ikari Warriors, Karnov, Contra, Rush'n Attack, Zak McKracken and the Alien Mindbenders, Battlehawks, Microsoft Flight Simulator, Version 2.0, PT-109 (MS-DOS version), Falcon (MS-DOS version), Final Assault, Star Saga One: Beyond the Boundary, Pharaoh's Revenge, Wizardry IV: The Return of Werdna, and Shufflepuck Café. BOZ ( talk) 04:05, 9 October 2009 (UTC)
Decided to get a little bit more in before retiring for the night. #143 had no additional reviews beyond the 3-page review for Pool of Radiance. #144 also had: Zany Golf, The Legend of Blacksilver, Battle Chess, Space Harrier 3-D, and Wonder Boy in Monster Land. BOZ ( talk) 04:53, 9 October 2009 (UTC)
Two more: Gold Rush! (#145) and Hostage (#146). BOZ ( talk) 13:18, 10 October 2009 (UTC)
Got several more tonight; it looks like there have been fewer reviews per column lately - which is a good thing for me and my sanity! This time around, everything had it's own article already, and some had no citations until now: Abrams Battle Tank (#147), The Magic Candle (#148), Space Quest III (#149), and the following from issue #150: Axe of Rage, Hidden Agenda, Gauntlet, Trust and Betrayal: The Legacy of Siboot, and Barbarian. More to come, but not tonight! BOZ ( talk) 03:05, 13 October 2009 (UTC)
Finishing up 1989! Got Thud Ridge and Strider from #151, and The Kristal, Indiana Jones and the Last Crusade: The Graphic Adventure, and Beyond the Black Hole from #152. Getting into the 90s, probably over the weekend? BOZ ( talk) 05:10, 15 October 2009 (UTC)
Got Sword of Aragon and Space Rogue (#153), and David Wolf: Secret Agent, M1 Tank Platoon, and Star Fleet II: Krellan Commander (#154). BOZ ( talk) 03:49, 16 October 2009 (UTC)
Got TaskMaker, the Lynx game system, Knights of Legend, and Savage from #155, and Harpoon (PC/MS-DOS version), Populous: The Promised Lands, The Computer Edition of Risk: The World Conquest Game, Tiger Road, and Manhunter 2: San Francisco from #156. BOZ ( talk) 06:24, 20 October 2009 (UTC)
Did #157, which I had totally skipped last time around: Knights of Legend (PC/MS-DOS version), A Boy and His Blob, Day of the Viper, Dr. Plummet's House of Flux, Keef the Thief, Knight Force. Also finished up #158: Breach 2, War of the Lance, Time Bandit, Fire King, and Laser Squad; this column also reviewed the MEGA Pack of 10 games by Mastertronic, which contains Rebounder, Monty on the Run, Jack the Nipper II, Bulldog, Krakout, Future Knight, Cosmic Causeway, Trailblazer, Northstar, and THING Bounces Back. Note that of those, each game was reviewed in one sentence so I will not be creating an article for those four (Rebounder, Bulldog, Northstar, and THING) which do not already have one. The second half of 1990 looks like a cakewalk compared to the first half, so I hope to finish that this weekend! BOZ ( talk) 04:29, 23 October 2009 (UTC)
Cakewalk it was - well, nearly so! Finished off the following - note that #162 had only one review and I got that one a long time ago. 159: Gunboat (PC/MS-DOS version), Iron Lord, Welltris, Nuclear War; 160: Drakkhen, Phantasy Star II; *161: Mechwarrior, Budokan; 163: Centurion: Defender of Rome, The Keys to Maramon, Dungeon Explorer, The Revenge of Shinobi; 164: MegaTraveller 1: The Zhodani Conspiracy, Flood. I'll start 1991 probably this weekend, but probably not tonight. :) BOZ ( talk) 04:10, 24 October 2009 (UTC)
Did a few more this time all from #165, maybe no more for a few days: BrainBlasters (compilation of Xevious 2 and Bombuzal), Imperium, Starflight 2: Trade Routes of the Cloud Nebula, and Ishido: The Way of Stones. BOZ ( talk) 20:33, 25 October 2009 (UTC)
And some more: Armor Alley, If It Moves, Shoot It!, King's Bounty, Tangled Tales: The Misadventures of a Wizard's Apprentice (#166); Battletech: The Crescent Hawks' Revenge, Hard Nova, and Stellar 7 (PC/MS-DOS version) (#167). BOZ ( talk) 22:05, 25 October 2009 (UTC)
I had plenty of free time, so I went berserk and finished off 1991! The following reviews are now in the can, as they say. 172: RoboSport, Warlords, Shadow Dancer, Y's Books I and II, Zombie Nation; 173: Space Quest IV, Zarlor Mercenary; 174: Cybergenic Ranger: Secret of the Seventh Planet, F29 Retaliator, Sonic the Hedgehog, Gunboat (Amiga), Harpoon (Amiga), Railroad Tycoon (MacIntosh), Wizardry: Bane of the Cosmic Forge (MacIntosh); 175: Dragon Crystal, Sherlock Holmes Consulting Detective, The Faery Tale Adventure (Sega Genesis), King's Bounty (Sega Genesis), Might and Magic (Sega Genesis); 176: J.B. Harold Murder Club, Phantasy Star III, A-10 Tank Killer (PC/MS-DOS version), Thexder (Macintosh & PC/MS-DOS versions), Space Quest III (Macintosh & PC/MS-DOS versions). BOZ ( talk) 04:38, 28 October 2009 (UTC)
I'm really on a roll! (Happy Halloween, what's left of it, by the way). I'm done with 1992, and since 1993 was brief and I'll have a bunch of time on my hands, I'm going to attempt to get through the whole thing tomorrow and finally finish this enormous leg of my project! We'll see. :) Meanwhile, tonight I got to the following... 187: BattleToads, The Four Crystals of Trazere, King's Bounty (PC/MS-DOS), Super Space Invaders ( Ultima Underworld: The Stygian Abyss was already done); 188: Darkseed, Falcon 3.0, Minotaur, Prince of Persia, and Red Baron. BOZ ( talk) 03:49, 1 November 2009 (UTC)
I made some big progress, but it turns out that I had far more ambition than free time or energy. :) On the bright side, I did get four out of the eight remaining issues done, so I should be able to finish up this second pass through "The Role of Computers" sometime within the next week! Today I got from 189: Global Conquest, Gods, Mission: Thunderbolt, Pacific Islands, Prophecy of the Shadow, Siege, Warrior of Rome II; 190: The Ancient Art of War in the Skies, Goblins, Shinobi (Sega Game Gear system), Alisia Dragoon, SpellCraft: Aspects of Valor; 191: Discovery: In the Steps of Columbus, Legend of Kyrandia, Ultima VII: The Black Gate and Forge of Virtue; 192: Battle Chess Enhanced CD ROM, Cobra Mission, Kingdoms of England II: Vikings, Fields of Conquest, Quest for Glory III: Wages of War, Shadowlands, Waxworks, and Wolfenstein 3-D. BOZ ( talk) 03:44, 2 November 2009 (UTC)
I AM FINALLY DONE with "The Role of Computers". :) Ah yes, I said it, I've been working on this SOB for three months, and a few hundred games later I'm done. Time for a long, long break, and to let this thread die and go to the archives so I can quit monopolizing all this space. ;) Tonight, I finished from 193: Castles II: Siege and Conquest, The Incredible Machine, Indiana Jones and the Fate of Atlantis, Lemmings (MacIntosh version), M4, Push-Over, Space Legions, Carriers At War, Eric the Unready, Paladin II, Task Force 1942; 194: Lure of the Temptress, Realms, Rex Nebular and the Cosmic Gender Bender, The Summoning; 195: Dungeon Master (PC/MS-DOS version), Empire Deluxe, Road Avenger, Star Control II, Who Killed Sam Rupert? ; 196: The Journeyman Project, Legends of Valour, Pax Imperia, S.C.OUT, and Spaceward Ho! v. 3.0! Eventually, some time from now, I will be hitting the last column "Eye of the Monitor", which (God help me) I don't expect to be anywhere near as time consuming as this one was. :) BOZ ( talk) 03:56, 4 November 2009 (UTC)
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File:LaraCroftTombRaiderEvoWUnderw.jpg is used in the Tomb Raider article, but consists of a crap-load of screenshots, one from every Tomb Raider game. I'm doubtful this qualifies under fair use since it's a "gallery" of sorts.-- ZXCVBNM ( TALK) 21:31, 28 September 2009 (UTC)
I looked at this picture and I think this should be deleted. Anyone agree? GamerPro64 ( talk) 22:59, 28 September 2009 (UTC)
I'm curious, is there a guideline on use of montages such as this? Though its clear that this particular case really pushes the line too far, should two or more images be put together in one file and given one overall rationale, or should they be uploaded separately, given separate rationales and put together using the {{ Imageframe}} function in the article body (as seen here and here)? -- Sabre ( talk) 14:12, 29 September 2009 (UTC)
Kinda self explanatory, the idea is that the Pokémon franchise has such a large volume of characters that doing this will enable us to get a better idea of what may or may not work as an article, and steadily build upon each section and add those as needed for subjects without articles so that once one hits sufficient size, we can full develop a subject and give it proper treatment. I realize this won't be everyone's cup of tea, but I think it's a lot better to make this work as an organized effort.-- Kung Fu Man ( talk) 00:12, 29 September 2009 (UTC)
The peer review for List of Knight's Cross recipients of the Waffen-SS, an article within the scope of the Military history WikiProject, is now open. The Military history WikiProject is currently partnering with our project to share peer reviews, so all editors are cordially invited to participate, and any input there would be very appreciated! Thanks! Kirill [talk] [pf] 12:08, 30 September 2009 (UTC)
There is an ongoing discussion at Talk:Final Fantasy VII#File:FFVIIsephirothkillsaeris.jpg regarding the edition of an image of a scene in the story. The discussion has become quite long and it would be good if somebody experienced in these things could join the discussion. Regards. Tintor2 ( talk) 20:47, 30 September 2009 (UTC)
I purpose a merge of the WonderSwan, WonderSwan Color, and SwanCrystal articles under the name WonderSwan line in the hope of pooling together enough information on these short lived consoles to further improve the articles as a whole. An example of my proposition can be seen under My Sandbox at MystifiableUnknown(Please note that this is nothing more than a copying over from the original WonderSwan articles I have not yet been able to properly edit it).
The articles should not be merged. Each is a clearly notable system, and some found success in Japan. It may be worth creating an analogue to Game Boy line, with parent and child articles, but each system can stand alone and should be allowed room to grow. - hahnch e n 21:55, 30 September 2009 (UTC)
After doing further research on the subject I am now convinced that my proposal is unnecessary. I had thought when I posted it that there was not enough information on the three separate game systems to make three complete articles I now believe I was wrong, that there is in fact more than enough.
Is Atari video game burial something that needs to exist on its own? If the information currently present cannot be improved upon, it could probably be used to strengthen the video game crash article or the E.T. article. TTN ( talk) 21:39, 30 September 2009 (UTC)
The current GCOTW is an article about a Maxis programmer, who appears to have some notability (though no refs), but I wouldn't say he was high-importance. On the talk page, a user claimed it was a vanity page, but as I said before, he doesn't seem non-notable.-- ZXCVBNM ( TALK) 00:01, 2 October 2009 (UTC)
I have recently noticed that the Online print archive, which was designed to be a review index, is also extremely useful as a tool for finding print previews, interviews, features and the like. However, while locating and indexing reviews is difficult, doing the same for other kinds of material would be nearly impossible. Therefore, I thought I would ask if anyone was looking for Mid-Late '90s or Early '00s research material. Even though the Internet Archived pages are there for anyone to access, some of them can be tricky to maneuver; I can help with this, since I learned their workings while digging up reviews. So, if anyone is looking for such information, hit me up on my talk page and I'll see what I can do.
As a warning, though, the archives are extremely random, and some important game articles were never archived. Like I said, I'll see what I can do, but depending on the game, it might not be much. Or I might get lucky and find a treasure trove. Guess you'll just have to ask and find out. JimmyBlackwing ( talk) 09:28, 2 October 2009 (UTC)
The peer review for Pearl Corkhill, an article within the scope of the Military history WikiProject, is now open. The Military history WikiProject is currently partnering with our project to share peer reviews, so all editors are cordially invited to participate, and any input there would be very appreciated! Thanks! Kirill [talk] [pf] 02:26, 3 October 2009 (UTC)
In the article Lego Batman: The Video Game, a list of characters has been added. There have been discussions about whether or not this should be included here and here. Anybody know what to do. Well, I would have thought remove it, but I thought I should bring it up here first, Lord Spongefrog , (I am the Czar of all Russias!) 09:25, 3 October 2009 (UTC)
Hello, would like some help @ header link. It's a mid-importance article with many pages linking to it. BlazerKnight ( talk) 11:53, 3 October 2009 (UTC)
Anyone care to give your opinion here? Thanks. -- uKER ( talk) 06:04, 4 October 2009 (UTC)
The peer review for Inner German border, an article within the scope of the Military history WikiProject, is now open. The Military history WikiProject is currently partnering with our project to share peer reviews, so all editors are cordially invited to participate, and any input there would be very appreciated! Thanks! Kirill [talk] [pf] 19:27, 4 October 2009 (UTC)
This is a revival of the recently archived discussion Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Video games/Archive 73#Largest wikiproject? Where are we on moving our members list out of Category:WikiProject Video games members and into Wikipedia:WikiProject Video games/Members? - sesu PRIME 02:02, 13 September 2009 (UTC)
The membership list is intended to replace the membership category, right? So shouldn't the category be posted at WP:CfD? - sesu PRIME 18:15, 16 September 2009 (UTC)
Follow up- To the coders here, would the following code added to {{ User WPVG}} accomplish the intended effect described above?
<includeonly>{{#ifeq:{{{active|}}}|<!-- nothing -->|[[Category:WikiProject Video games members|{{PAGENAME}}]]}}</includeonly>
( Guyinblack25 talk 14:50, 6 October 2009 (UTC))
I've been trying to recruit some people to look over Star Wars: Episode I: Battle for Naboo before I submit it for FAC. Anyone want to take a stab at it? Thanks! -- Torsodog Talk 17:56, 6 October 2009 (UTC)
For the foreign language video game editors, that is. I was inspired by the presence of a "gameplay" image in an article I wrote, Pong Toss: Frat Party Games, that I think explains the article subject well and allowing me to avoid using any fair use images. For example, no one "owns" the "notes going down the board" engine, so someone could make a simple monochrome image of this engine. This way, foreign language Wikis can get an image to actually demonstrate the gameplay, and it doesn't clash with their rules on fair use images. Anyone interested in this? - The New Age Retro Hippie used Ruler! Now, he can figure out the length of things easily. 19:57, 6 October 2009 (UTC)
Looking at ZSNES, bsnes, and Snes9x, someone's placed a features section in each article, that lists mostly the same things for each emu, and most of it isn't "notable features", as is claimed. "Windowed and fullscreen display modes"? I was just going to take it out, but maybe someone who knows the standard for stuff like this better than I could give a second opinion? Audiosmurf ♪/ ♫ 07:12, 27 September 2009 (UTC)
Has anyone else seen the Military history WikiProject's online training school? Personally, I think it's awesome and think we should emulate it or something as close as possible. What do you guys think about the academy? ( Guyinblack25 talk 15:51, 6 October 2009 (UTC))
Super Smash Bros. Brawl will "Today's Featured article" on October 13th. Apparently Raul is mad at Masem or something. :-p
Anyway, some watchers to catch vandalism and the normal main page shenanigans would be helpful. ( Guyinblack25 talk 14:36, 8 October 2009 (UTC))
Some other user decided to split the content of Strider into the following articles.
I see no point for either articles. The former is just in-universe fancruft and the latter is nothing but an overview of four games that could be covered ( and were) in a single sub-section in Strider (arcade game). Jonny2x4 ( talk) 01:33, 9 October 2009 (UTC)
Hi there! Maybe you don't know what to get me for my 35th birthday, but I have an idea; how about Planescape: Torment on the main page for 12/12/09? ;) Not only would that be a nice present for me, but it is the 10th anniversary of the game's release so that should go a long way to help get it some support. I'll be trying to pay attention for when the availability opens up, if one of you doesn't beat me to it. :) BOZ ( talk) 04:08, 9 October 2009 (UTC)
I decided I ought to get further comment from the project on these. The first article hasn't improved much and has failed to show a need to be separate, and the second, while not being out for much time yet, doesn't really demonstrate any significant differences. - The New Age Retro Hippie used Ruler! Now, he can figure out the length of things easily. 20:35, 8 October 2009 (UTC)
This week's CotW is Cheating in video games. Its importance is high. Should it really be that important? GamerPro64 ( talk) 01:03, 9 October 2009 (UTC)
Let me re-phrase. Does an article about video game cheating really need to have an High-importance? To me, it doesn't seem that important to the WikiProject. GamerPro64 ( talk) 02:10, 9 October 2009 (UTC)
New Age Retro Hippie recently moved Fortress (video game) to Fortress (Square Enix) to make the first article be about a 2001 GBA game. I have three questions concerning this:
Megata Sanshiro ( talk) 09:41, 9 October 2009 (UTC)
Anyone who can help expand this, please do so. I was kind of foolish and ended up spoiling a lot of content for the game for myself, so I'm pretty much done, though I'll be playing Bioshock so I can join in with the editing. Thanks! Here are some links that may help (spoilers!): [5] [6] [7] [8] [9]- The New Age Retro Hippie used Ruler! Now, he can figure out the length of things easily. 05:30, 10 October 2009 (UTC)
I having a minor edit war against a couple of other users regarding the Super Mario Bros.. They insist on using the informal name of the " Famicom Disk System" over its official name, " Family Computer Disk System" (or just the "Disk System"), since the former is more commonly used in English writing. From my understanding, the platform's official name is always used first (i.e. Nintendo Entertainment System, PlayStation 2), followed by whatever abbreviated name they're most commonly known by (NES, PS2). Jonny2x4 ( talk) 21:49, 11 October 2009 (UTC)
Does anyone know if a source is listed on a aggregate site like Metacritic [10] makes a source reliable? « ₣M₣ » 00:17, 12 October 2009 (UTC)
I can't believe I'm typing this, but I'm having an argument with Kizor about including a picture of a female character's ass in Prince of Persia: Warrior Within. It is debates like these that make me weep for the future of this encyclopedia project. -- Jtalledo (talk) 03:05, 12 October 2009 (UTC)
I'd like to post this note to inform vgproj contributors that User:Andrevan has been on a deletion spree for the past few days. He has been prodding and nominating articles for deletion left and right. I have nothing against this administrator and nothing against deleting non-notable articles, but I do believe this rate of nominations is too rapid and not being handled with enough care. For example, less than two minutes elapsed between Andrevan's prodding of The Adventures of Fatman and Nelly Cootalot: Spoonbeaks Ahoy!, which suggests that he might not have read the second article and all its sources quite thoroughly. In addition, his nomination of Aveyond series has been met with a massive consensus of Keep votes. Furthermore, the 'previous nominations' links (on that page) lead to nominations for Amaranth Games instead of Aveyond series, which apparently goes to show that something was copy-pasted too quickly without proof-checking. Again, please understand that this is not a 'pitch and fork' comment from an anti-Wikipedian or angry person. I would just like to point out what appears to be a case of 'haste makes waste'. Thanks! Pauca sed bona ( talk) 23:30, 10 October 2009 (UTC)
I have nominated Final Fantasy VI for a featured article review here. Please join the discussion on whether this article meets featured article criteria. Articles are typically reviewed for two weeks. If substantial concerns are not addressed during the review period, the article will be moved to the Featured Article Removal Candidates list for a further period, where editors may declare "Keep" or "Remove" the article's featured status. The instructions for the review process are here. The Prince ( talk) 21:26, 12 October 2009 (UTC)
Can anyone help me hunt down the various release dates for ToeJam & Earl III: Mission to Earth? The sources I've looked at just list the NA date of Oct 2002. Judging by review dates the EU and Australia versions were released in March 2003 but none of them gives an explicit release date (someone else has added an EU release of 7 March 2003 to the article but not provided a source). I think GameSpot has all the dates (although their NA date was a day out at 23 Oct 2002 IIRC) but I can't get their site to load (I'm guessing my crappy connection), so it would nice if someone could check. bridies ( talk) 14:57, 12 October 2009 (UTC)
Got the EU release date from GameFAQS. Any idea about Australia and perhaps Japan? bridies ( talk) 13:34, 13 October 2009 (UTC)
Play Asia doesn't have it listed, so there's the posibility that it wasn't released in Japan either. AirRaidPatrol 84 ( talk) 15:06, 13 October 2009 (UTC)
Several older player's guides made by third party publications actually have reception on characters, such as Versus Books' guide for Pokemon Red/Blue/Yellow. Now while I can understand some are already taking a defensive stance hear me out: if the guide gives reception, can be proven to be third party, and can be shown to not be giving reception for all existing characters in a game (many guides in fact will not), can it be used for reception and/or augmenting existing sources used for notability?-- Kung Fu Man ( talk) 10:26, 13 October 2009 (UTC)
I have done a lot of work on Space Gun (video game) and could do with a fresh pair of eyes to do some grammar and spelling checks to hopefully increase it's quality rating. If someone has some time feel free to check it and make the relevant changes. AirRaidPatrol 84 ( talk) 08:07, 13 October 2009 (UTC)
It looks like they changed up their format, many old URLs no longer work. You might go through old articles you've used them for citations and try to hit up Wayback Machine for any you need to restore/fix.-- Kung Fu Man ( talk) 14:41, 13 October 2009 (UTC)
This isn't something like 360 doing 1080p and PS3 only 971p or something minor, but instead the omission of major features of a game. Specifically, Guitar Hero 5 had a usual release across the 360, ps3, wii and (yes still) the ps2. The features of the the 360 and PS3 versions are well documented, and the additions on the Wii side are also well described by sources. But there is no source that would even begin to be considered reliable that touches on the PS2 version and the fact it is missing much of the new features of the game (based on what I've read from user reviewers and from editors that want to include this information). Normal website reviews that have the game are using a generic, platform neutral version that doesn't touch at all on the PS2 side. Now again, if it was something like graphics quality or the like, I would dismiss it, but this is objectively clear omissions likely due to the PS2 hardware limitations, and if sources were available, I'd immediately include it. Manuals won't help as it could be argued that saying that manual for version X doesn't describe a feature in manual Y to imply that feature is not present in X is synthesis.
The only available source otherwise would be forum posts, and I'm worried about that path. Any suggestions how to go about this? -- MASEM ( t) 14:35, 14 October 2009 (UTC)
I originally removed a GameFAQs EL here because for this game it didn't seem to be a useful resource - but as Lorson pointed out, neither was the MobyGames EL, although the latter is mentioned at WP:VG/EL as possibly appropriate on a case-by-case basis.
But on at VG/EL, I also noted that GameSpot is "inappropriate" due to it's commercial nature. By extension, I assume that the GameSpot-affliated GameFAQs [13] is also inappropriate? I ask because of extensive use of the GameFAQs template by Lorson [14]. Your thoughts?
mobygames is commercial. what about all the links to the shopping sites for every game and the big advert on the right of every page? and mobygames only covers english released games when gamefaqs covers games that are only released in Japan. and gamefaqs gives game covers without two large watermarks on every single one.-- Lorson ( talk) 17:18, 15 October 2009 (UTC)
Since ELs are supposed to be kept to a minumum ( WP:EL), is it not redundant to list multiple directory sites with similar information anyway? In the case of the Alchemist article I mentioned above, both MobyGames and GameFaqs are not as comprehensive as the World of Spectrum link, for example. Marasmusine ( talk) 08:59, 16 October 2009 (UTC)
We have article on San Francisco Rush and then we have San Francisco Rush: Extreme Racing. What a mess. The one withouth subtitle seems to be the older one. I guess redirect the older to the newer or does it require an admin to merge the edit histories? -- Mika1h ( talk) 14:25, 16 October 2009 (UTC)
People are complaining on the talk page about the cover art being wrong. Can someone upload the new one? Thanks. Blake ( Talk· Edits) 13:04, 14 October 2009 (UTC)
- In cases where a game is developed in an English speaking country, the cover for that country is used. In cases where it's not, I believe the general consensus is that whichever is uploaded first is what's used unless the other is clearly better for other reasons.
← Use the US version. Consensus everywhere else that I know of has been to use the cover released in the country where it was developed; in this case, the US. Another example of a similar US/UK difference: Ratchet & Clank Future: A Crack in Time. We use the US name (which contains "Future") because it was developed in the US, and we use the US cover because (in addition to matching the article title) it was developed in the US. LittleBigPlanet uses the UK cover because it was developed in the UK. – Drilnoth ( T • C • L) 17:10, 16 October 2009 (UTC)
I have a lot of issues with the sourcing in the intro paragraph of this article. I've discussed those sources here. The main contributor then reverted my edits. I'd appreciate a second look from the people here. SharkD ( talk) 22:48, 14 October 2009 (UTC)
Okay, I don't get it. Why are video game series sometimes referred to here as "franchises"? A franchise is a business license, not the characters, locations, and gameplay elements that bring several video games together. We should at least pick one and make it consistent; I actually saw the Call of Duty series referred to as a "series franchise" on its main article. Tezkag72 ( talk) 22:52, 15 October 2009 (UTC)
Then why is Mario (series) not located at Mario (franchise). Megata Sanshiro ( talk) 07:35, 16 October 2009 (UTC)
Can someone point out a definition of "media franchise"? Other than the Wikipedia article and mirrors, I can't find one. Miremare 14:27, 17 October 2009 (UTC)
I've been having an argument with an editor about the amount of non-free images in the Donkey Kong Country 2: Diddy's Kong Quest article. Currently, he has added 10 non-free images, only 1 of which is a gameplay shot and 2 of which are cover art. Please weigh in here if you have any input. Also, the editor is insisting upon having the Japanese version's name AND katakana in the first sentence of the lead, two things that I think are completely unnecessary considering the game was developed in an English-language country. Thoughts? -- Torsodog Talk 19:33, 17 October 2009 (UTC)
I've been mulling over a push for a GT/FT on the Pokemon species articles, as 3 are GA, 1 is FA, and all but one have clear potential to get to GA, with a few hot on their heels. However, I'm not sure how to approach such an idea, since it means most likely having to get all the lists sections to GA or higher as well, which is would be 100x the workload, and would drastically increase the frailty of a GT or FT as links degrade and information pours forth.
Is there a work around anyone can think of? Right now here are the following articles we're looking at:
Yep, as you can see big workload.-- Kung Fu Man ( talk) 17:33, 16 October 2009 (UTC)
While we are here, does anybody have any suggestions for List of Pokémon (1–20) to get it to GA? Because it would have to be the "example article" to help make the others. Blake ( Talk· Edits) 02:22, 18 October 2009 (UTC)
I have Star Wars: Episode I: Battle for Naboo up for FAC, and they are requesting more review sources. Unfortunatly, since this game wasn't all that popular, good sources aren't very easy to find. I was wondering if anyone had this issue of NP though, as it contains a review of the game that I might be able to use. Anyone have it? I think it has Hey You Pikachu! on the cover. Thanks! -- Torsodog Talk 06:14, 18 October 2009 (UTC)
Looking for help on the List of video game consoles article for anyone interested. We especially need help in expanding, and cleaning. Also if anyone has time to verify some of the game consoles already on there that would definitely be helpful.
DQ PR has been ongoing for some time could use some more as I would prefer not to have to reissue the PR because of this as I need some more serious comments before bringing this to a FAC. 陣 内 Jinnai 20:53, 19 October 2009 (UTC)
Some time ago there was a discussion on Xenosaga character articles and I had made a sandbox version of a Shion Uzuki article to see if there was enough material to have a standalone article for this character. User:A Man In Black said there was not enough and I agreed, so I didn't put that version in the mainspace. However, looking at the character articles recently created by User:New Age Retro Hippie for the Final Fantasy series, it seems maybe there was enough after all. What is the consensus on recreating Shion Uzuki? Megata Sanshiro ( talk) 08:44, 17 October 2009 (UTC)
There's an ongoing discussion on the MW2 talk page page about moving the page from Modern Warfare 2 to Call of Duty: Modern Warfare 2. Existing discussion (and consensus) was to leave the name at Modern Warfare 2 (presumably as it's been called this throughout development - the Call of Duty was added to the box due to Activision concerns about brand recognition, it's not recognised by the developer in game at all) but there's been a lot of moving over the past few days. Anyway, if anyone wants to chip in, feel free. Thanks! Fin © ™ 22:09, 19 October 2009 (UTC)
Can someone explain the difference between these two categories: Category:Interactive movie video games and Category:Full motion video based games? Shouldn't they be merged?
Should there be something on the main page for this Wikiproject that the cleanup department is inactive? It makes it sound like it's still working. Abce2| This is not a test 16:01, 21 October 2009 (UTC)
If not, I don't want anyone going out of their way to help; it's only for a little comment from it I want to use as reception. - The New Age Retro Hippie used Ruler! Now, he can figure out the length of things easily. 05:09, 22 October 2009 (UTC)
I think this is just game guide content at best. Instruments are essentially items in Wii Music and nothing more. Item lists = game guide content. Thoughts? RobJ1981 ( talk) 04:10, 23 October 2009 (UTC)
I recently noticed that something's wrong with GameSpot: when clicking this link I wanted to see the credits for the game Another Mind, but instead of seeing the names of the developers I only see digits. Am I the only one seeing this, and if not is it only temporary? I often use GameSpot's tech info pages as sources in articles I work on, and I'm not really keen on changing the source of all those articles if it's just temporary. Any thoughts on the matter? The Prince ( talk) 15:59, 24 October 2009 (UTC)
I would like to point out the community here of some of the interesting photo and drawing in patents. Most patent images are public domain, see Template:PD-US-patent. I think patents here are an underused resource, now if I could only find that Soul Calibur patent again. — Dispenser 17:36, 13 October 2009 (UTC)
[15] Stiltzkin-eng ( talk) 08:12, 14 October 2009 (UTC)
Does anyone know what core games are? I've searched everywhere. Abce2| This is not a test 00:47, 21 October 2009 (UTC)
Hey folks,
Core Design was in a bit of a bad state. I've started cleaning it up, but a huge amount of work is needed: for a start, the article basically begins and ends with Tomb Raider, though Core were respected developers across the 16-bit platform years before the Playstation. And it doesn't even have that much material on Tomb Raider, despite it being the game which Eidos owes its continued existence to. Anyone who can pitch in, feel free to help. Chris Cunningham (not at work) - talk 13:55, 25 October 2009 (UTC)
Anyone interested in cleaning up Command & Conquer (video game), since it's this week's collaboration? Nothing serious; just some work to make it more respectable, orderly and guideline-following. It's in poor shape, currently, so every little bit would help. Count me in. JimmyBlackwing ( talk) 03:11, 25 October 2009 (UTC)
Hello,
Can anyone tell me where the organisation of video game console with generations comes from ? The only direct reference I've found is the following : [19]. Since no article on Wp is dedicated to the author, Michael Miller, it seems to me too sketchy to be the only ref... Zandra[ Moa ? 09:39, 25 October 2009 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 93.16.161.237 ( talk)
If someone has time, please take a look at Half-Life 2: Episode Three (video game) and see if it's worth merging into Half-Life 2: Episode Three to recreate the article. Otherwise, just redirect it again or merge it somewhere. Gary King ( talk) 20:22, 26 October 2009 (UTC)
We've got over twenty articles currently up there, all waiting for a reviewer.-- Kung Fu Man ( talk) 01:40, 25 October 2009 (UTC)
I recently had to delete a portion of sales figures from the Wolfenstein article, citing it as not a reliable source for accurate sales figures, only for it to reappear and have me remove them once more. With the popularity of this website being cited by many amateur gaming websites (and the gamers at large), I'm starting to think we should blacklist the site from being used as a source for any accurate sales figures.
To support my claim, this article at Gamasutra should help: [20]
Personally, the only sites that should be used as an accurate source is NPD, Media Create and whatever Europe uses. Am I the only one agreeing with this? TonicBH ( talk) 15:17, 27 October 2009 (UTC)
I just noticed GVnayR ( talk · contribs) tagging Street Fighter II with this category. Turns out he/she just created the category today, with the definition of "Video games that feature strong female characters that don't require male assistance to get around." I think this is category is unnecessary - is it really important to categorize games that have strong female characters? I'd like some input on this. NeoChaosX ( talk, edits) 03:29, 28 October 2009 (UTC)
A user is questioning whether IGN is reliable or merely a promotional source in nature. Anyone with a better idea of IGN's internal organization may want to comment here on WP:RS/N. -- MASEM ( t) 13:50, 28 October 2009 (UTC)
I have noticed on the articles for all three Dino Crisis games the a detailed tracklisting is given for the soundtrack CDs for each game. Is this really suitable for the articles? If the soundtrack albums have got enough notability then they could have their own articles but I don't think this kind of detail belongs on the page for the individual game. Mention of a soundtrack CD can be put into the article, perhaps under a section about Development, but only if this can be properly referenced. Currnetly there is no referencing for the CDs at all on any of the three articles. AirRaidPatrol 84 ( talk) 10:01, 29 October 2009 (UTC)
I noticed this was proposed to be merged, but didn't see a whole lot of discussion on the talk page. How about we discuss this now? Personally I don't see a huge need for a series page when he has had 2 games, and an apppearance in Brawl. Most of the series article is focused on his Brawl appearance, which is just recentism at it's finest. RobJ1981 ( talk) 11:49, 29 October 2009 (UTC)
Does anybody have access to the instruction manuals for the Amiga, Atari ST and/or Sega Master System versions of Space Gun? I would be interested to know if any of them contain plot, character, enemy or locations details that I could use to expand the article. I have used the ZX Spectrum version that is hosted online but it does not go into too much detail. AirRaidPatrol 84 ( talk) 13:49, 29 October 2009 (UTC)
Chrono Cross's 10th anniversary is coming up, and I've recently made sure the article's up to standard by trimming the plot and expanding the development section to reflect new translations. I'm in a very busy semester and don't have as much time as I'd like to babysit the TFA page and wait until the earliest request is pruned. If anyone's in the neighborhood of Wikipedia:Today's featured article/requests and sees an opening (I'll be checking as much as I can), it'd be awesome if you could post the TFA blurb I've primed at User:Zeality.
I'm expecting a huge fight. The last time I tried a decennial TFA ( Chrono Trigger, arguably a better article because more development history materials have been translated), it was bitterly opposed by other Wikipedians prejudiced against VG articles, and Raul ultimately had to move it a month forward to placate their bile. I'll probably be back here to rally some support. If it's like it was in early 2008, then they really hate video game articles over there. ZeaLitY [ DREAM - REFLECT ] 02:02, 23 October 2009 (UTC)
Okay, the TFA request is live on Wikipedia:Today's_featured_article. ZeaLitY [ DREAM - REFLECT ] 01:56, 1 November 2009 (UTC)
Mmh, not to single out this article or something but, how comes it's a GA? o_O It's really surprising. Megata Sanshiro ( talk) 18:28, 31 October 2009 (UTC)
OK, in a previous thread, I dealt with Dragon's early-80s "The Electric Eye" column, which ran in most issues from Dragon #33-63 and profiled aspects of computers including some video games. I managed to add tidbits to several VG articles (and created stubs for some of them), including early text-based games Civil War and Star Trek, Scott Adams's "Adventure" series ( Adventureland, Pirate Adventure, Strange Odyssey, and Ghost Town), as well as other early games Dungeon of Death, Android Nim, and Time Traveller. The column ended abruptly, and I found only two more reviews in the early 1980s, one of which covered Wizardry: Proving Grounds of the Mad Overlord, Akalabeth: World of Doom, and Crush, Crumble and Chomp!, and another which covered Dunzhin.
Oh, but no, I'm not hardly done yet! :) Dragon's "The Role of Computers" was the second of three computer related columns that I'm aware of, so I'm hitting that next. It started in 1986 in issue #110 and was quite a bit more in-depth than "The Electric Eye" on computer games and ran for much longer. As I had stated previously I was going to add a mention of the column to the article of every game that had been reviewed. The column ran in most issues up through 1993 in issue #196 with "The Lessers" as reviewers. The new column "Eye of the Monitor" began in the following issue; reviewer Sandy Petersen wrote the column from #197-209, and after that the column was either by "Jay & Dee", Lester Smith (once), or any or all of the trio of Ken Rolston, Paul Murphy, and David "Zeb" Cook, and ran in that schizophrenic fashion sporadically from #211-223. I'll take care of "Eye of the Monitor" if I make it through "The Role of Computers" in the first place; not sure what Dragon did after that third column went kaput, but my guess is that they realized other magazines were doing a better job handling computer games, and decided just to just stick to pen and paper.
"The Role of Computers" usually tackled more than one game per issue; since it ran for some 70-80 issues, I'd say that safely puts us into the realm of over a hundred games from 1986-1993! As I've stated earlier, I don't intend to do more than put a blurb into each article with a comment that interested parties can seek me out for more info. Hopefully there is a higher percentage here of games which already have articles, because needing to toss up a stub more than occasionally will definitely slow me down! Issue #110 starts the column off with a review of the MacIntosh version of Wizardry, which I will get to shortly! BOZ ( talk) 00:58, 7 August 2009 (UTC)
I decided to hit up the other reviews from 1986 as well, adding blurbs to Rogue (112), Wizard's Crown (114), and The Bard's Tale (116). I might do 1987 and maybe even more, tonight; we'll see. :) BOZ ( talk) 01:46, 7 August 2009 (UTC)
Issue #118 had three reviews. The first one was for OrbQuest, The Search For Seven Wards, from QWare, Inc. for the MacIntosh. I could find absolutely nothing on the internet for this, so I wonder what to do; I will not create a stub at this time since I can't find any additional info. Also reviewed in this column were Roadwar 2000 and World Builder. BOZ ( talk) 00:45, 9 August 2009 (UTC)
Got more: The Bard's Tale II (120), the first Might and Magic (122), Realms of Darkness (122, created this one), and Black Magic (124). One thing of note is that just about every "The Role of Computers" column also contains a number of one-to-two paragraph mini-reviews. I have not been touching on these because that would really slow me down, but perhaps at some point I'll go back and catalogue those as well. I'm going to start looking at #126 momentarily; it's worth noting that up through #124, the column was semi-monthly, but #126 states that the column begins going monthly (probably due to its popularity at the time). BOZ ( talk) 01:52, 9 August 2009 (UTC)
Issue #126 actually does not contain a review, although it promises an upcoming one for Phantasie III; the column is mostly devoted to talking about the state of the computer gaming industry at the time. #127 similarly contains no review, but discusses in detail the awarding of the AD&D license to Strategic Simulations, Inc.; I'll have to make sure to get back to that one before long! :) #128 features Shadowgate and a few mini-reviews. I think I'll take a break there as that concludes 1987; since 1988 apparently begins the first full year of monthly columns, that should take some work and time. :) BOZ ( talk) 02:12, 9 August 2009 (UTC)
I realized that with issue #128 they started giving the games ratings (1-5 stars), so I will be adding that as well from now on. :) I will also add this to any articles with one of those ratings tables, since that will help. Got Tower of Myraglen (129, started this one), Wizardry IV (130, preview), Phantasie III (130), Legacy of the Ancients (131), and Beyond Zork (132) tonight. More to come, sooner or later! :) BOZ ( talk) 02:49, 11 August 2009 (UTC)
First time for this, but I figured it was just a matter of time! Quarterstaff from #133 already has the review noted in article - one less for me to do. ;) Added blurbs to Dream Zone (134, started this one), Alternate Reality: The City and Alternate Reality: The Dungeon (135), Dungeon Master (136), and my personal favorite: Ultima V: Warriors of Destiny (137). Will be back before long to finish off 1988. BOZ ( talk) 22:14, 13 August 2009 (UTC)
Got Star Command (138, started this one). #139 had no column; 140 had several smaller (less than one page) reviews. You know, I have been skipping all the smaller reviews less than one page so far, so I think I'll do the same here. I'll try to come back and get all of these, depending on just how long it takes me to get through all the featured reviews. Will start 1989 before long - hopefully tonight! BOZ ( talk) 23:14, 13 August 2009 (UTC)
Issue #141-142 featured smaller reviews on a number of games; I've skipped them for now, but I'm definitely starting to feel like I'm going to have to make an effort to make a "second trip around" on this column and pick back up on stuff like that. :) #143 I've already taken care of, as part of my plan to take Pool of Radiance down the path to GA. :) When I got to #144, I realized that the smaller reviews might be getting to be a trend, so I'll try to do at least the first game reviewed: I did Arkanoid (144), Wizardry V: Heart of the Maelstrom (145), and Might and Magic II: Gates to Another World (146). Will conclude 1989 before long! BOZ ( talk) 01:42, 14 August 2009 (UTC)
Got these: J. R. R. Tolkien's War in Middle-earth (147), Hillsfar (147), Prophecy: The Fall of Trinadon (148), Curse of the Azure Bonds (149), the original Populous (150), Silpheed (151), and Dragon Wars (152). That concludes 1989, and I'll begin 1990 before long. :) Enjoying this so far at all? BOZ ( talk) 19:35, 14 August 2009 (UTC)
Got Their Finest Hour: The Battle of Britain (#153), Mines of Titan (#154), Citadel: Adventure of the Crystal Keep (#155, started this one), Champions of Krynn (#156), skipped #157 for now, and finished with Bomber (#158, started this one as well). Will get more soon, but not necessarily tonight! BOZ ( talk) 00:47, 19 August 2009 (UTC)
Got Loom (#159). BOZ ( talk) 03:16, 24 August 2009 (UTC)
Got Conquests of Camelot: The Search for the Grail (#160), DragonStrike (#161), Ultima VI: The False Prophet (#162), Secret of the Silver Blades (#163), and MegaTraveller 1: The Zhodani Conspiracy (#164, started this one). That caps off 1990; been slow going because I've been busy, but will start 1991 before long. :) BOZ ( talk) 19:13, 29 August 2009 (UTC)
Got Railroad Tycoon (#165) and Wing Commander (#166) - sad how underdeveloped the Wing Commander article is! BOZ ( talk) 12:41, 3 September 2009 (UTC)
I figured out a way to do this much faster, so I cleaned out the rest of 1991. :) I got Tunnels & Trolls (#167), Wizardry VI: Bane of the Cosmic Forge (#168), The Lord of the Rings, Vol. I (#169), King's Quest V (#170), Eye of the Beholder (#171), Darkspyre (#172, started this one), Death Knights of Krynn (#173), Quest for Glory II: Trial by Fire (#174), Castles (#175), and Heart of China (#176). I'm satisfied with that – time for a break! :) BOZ ( talk) 01:57, 4 September 2009 (UTC)
Quicker indeed - I just finished what I wanted to do from 1992 in an hour! Got Might and Magic III: Isles of Terra (#177), Gateway to the Savage Frontier (#177), Pools of Darkness (#178), Conquests of the Longbow: The Legend of Robin Hood (#179), Castles: The Northern Campaign (#180), Block Out and Ishido (#181), Buck Rogers: Matrix Cubed (#182), the masterpiece itself the original Civilization (#183), Out of This World (#184), no column for #185-186, A-Train (#187), and Aces of the Pacific (#188). Next time up, I will finish out the column with the whole of 1993! Maybe tomorrow! :) BOZ ( talk) 03:55, 5 September 2009 (UTC)
And, I finished off 1993 in less than an hour. :) Got The Dagger of Amon Ra (#189), Darklands (#190), Might and Magic IV: Clouds of Xeen (#191), King's Quest VI: Heir Today, Gone Tomorrow (#192), Amazon: Guardians of Eden (#193), Conquered Kingdoms (#194, started this one), Night Trap (#195), and Challenge of the Five Realms (#196). Well, that finishes off my first pass at the run of the column! As I mentioned earlier, I will definitely be making a second pass, and hitting all the ancillary reviews that I skipped the first time around. There are quite a few, so bear with me! :) In fact, since I have some time tonight to do it, I may very well start within the hour! BOZ ( talk) 00:07, 6 September 2009 (UTC)
Why not - having finished my first pass (getting, really, only a fraction of the reviews in this column), I might as well start off my promised second pass. :) Should begin shortly, and end... before the end of 2009 hopefully? ;) BOZ ( talk) 01:26, 6 September 2009 (UTC)
I started Dragonfire II: The Dungeonmaster's Assistant. I admit that last time I skipped it because I wasn't quite sure what to do with it. It's not a game per se, but it is a computer program to assist in the management of other games, so make of that what you will. :) BOZ ( talk) 13:05, 8 September 2009 (UTC)
No new reviews tonight, but I added a bunch of blurbs from short notices I found in the magazine. There were quite a few such notices, but I only made use of ones which included some sort of commentary (at least a phrase or a sentence) outside of just describing what is in the game. One thing I did find was a table in #126, which finally gave star-ratings to most of the games reviewed up to that point (as well as Chuck Yeager's Advanced Flight Trainer). Anyway, that was quite a bit of work for the night, so that's it for me! BOZ ( talk) 03:41, 9 September 2009 (UTC)
I was wrong about #127 above; it did have one mini-review, for Earl Weaver Baseball. #128 had mini-reviews for S.D.I., Into the Eagle's Nest, and Delta Patrol, the last two of which do not have articles at this time. I may come back later and create stubs for them, but don't feel like it at this moment. :) BOZ ( talk) 03:30, 15 September 2009 (UTC) - (Update; created Into the Eagle's Nest, and realized that Delta Patrol was just a version of Delta. BOZ ( talk) 17:30, 27 September 2009 (UTC))
Issue #129 had mini-reviews for Pinball Wizard, GBA Championship Basketball. The Ancient Art of War at Sea, California Games, and The Eternal Dagger, so I added notes for each that has an article. Starting here in 1988, we see a lot more mini-reviews. Note that each column has a bunch of notes on publisher and games, and previously I had been adding bits to articles here and there... well, I just don't have the time and energy to keep up with that. I think from here on, I'll just stick with picking up the reviews I skipped on the first pass. Sorry. :) BOZ ( talk) 04:47, 21 September 2009 (UTC)
Added notes from the mini reviews the following, to those which have articles: Sanxion (#130), Mini-Putt, Alternate Reality: The City, Empire, Scrabble, Marble Madness, Street Sports Basketball, and Harrier Combat Simulator (all #131). There are a ton of mini-reviews in #132, so I will get to them most likely another time. :) BOZ ( talk) 01:57, 23 September 2009 (UTC) - (Update; found Empire so didn't need to create that one, but I started a few other articles) BOZ ( talk) 00:43, 28 September 2009 (UTC)
Just finished #132, which had reviews for Pirates!, and yes a ton of mini-reviews: Hardball, Test Drive, Championship Baseball, On-Court Tennis, The Last Ninja, Wings of Fury, Earl Weaver Baseball (Amiga version), Skate or Die!, World Tour Golf, Winter Games, World Games, The Faery Tale Adventure, Superstar Soccer, Might and Magic (IBM version), Falcon, Soko-Ban, and Halls of Montezuma: A Battle History of the U.S. Marine Corps. BOZ ( talk) 01:12, 26 September 2009 (UTC)
Got a few more tonight: #133 - Dragon's Lair (C64 version), Skyfox II: The Cygnus Conflict, Indoor Sports, and Monte Carlo; #134 - Strike-Fleet, The Naval Task Force Simulator, and The Pawn; and #135 - Airborne Ranger, Power!, Decisive Battles of the American Civil War Volume 1: Bull Run to Chancellorsville, Tetris (IBM version), and TNK III. More later! BOZ ( talk) 04:04, 26 September 2009 (UTC)
I went back over the reviews I had skipped and started articles for anything which I couldn't find - got over a dozen new stubs created today! I'm beat. :) Notice no more redlinks above? I'm going to create them as I go (or soon after) from now on. Also handled a few more tonight: #136 - Basketball Challenge and Fantasy Zone; and #137: Oids, Out Run, Ebonstar, and The Universal Military Simulator. BOZ ( talk) 03:52, 28 September 2009 (UTC)
Finished up 1988 - making progress! Took care of the rest of the reviews from #138 - Questron II, The Bard's Tale III: Thief of Fate, Power At Sea, Shanghai, and Wooden Ships and Iron Men. #139 had no column, and I had skipped #140 entirely previously, which contained: F/A-18 Interceptor, Chuck Yeager's Advanced Flight Trainer (MacIntosh version), Global Commander, Road Runner, Might and Magic (MacIntosh version), Penguin Land, and PT-109. Articles forthcoming in the near future for those which are lacking! BOZ ( talk) 05:26, 29 September 2009 (UTC)
Started 1989 with #141: Roadwars, Rockford, AAARGH!, Dive Bomber, Epyx VCR games (Play Action VCR California Games, Play Action VCR Golf, Play Action VCR Football, Head-On Baseball, Head-On Football), Moebius: The Orb of Celestial Harmony, Alien Syndrome, Solitaire Royale, Tetris (MacIntosh version). Going to create stubs for some of those, but probably not tonight - very tired! :) BOZ ( talk) 00:54, 2 October 2009 (UTC)
Got #142 today - this was a big 'un! Well, lots of little reviews, with many of them being MS-DOS versions of arcade games or of games previously reviewed in the column: Empire (MS-DOS version), Ikari Warriors, Karnov, Contra, Rush'n Attack, Zak McKracken and the Alien Mindbenders, Battlehawks, Microsoft Flight Simulator, Version 2.0, PT-109 (MS-DOS version), Falcon (MS-DOS version), Final Assault, Star Saga One: Beyond the Boundary, Pharaoh's Revenge, Wizardry IV: The Return of Werdna, and Shufflepuck Café. BOZ ( talk) 04:05, 9 October 2009 (UTC)
Decided to get a little bit more in before retiring for the night. #143 had no additional reviews beyond the 3-page review for Pool of Radiance. #144 also had: Zany Golf, The Legend of Blacksilver, Battle Chess, Space Harrier 3-D, and Wonder Boy in Monster Land. BOZ ( talk) 04:53, 9 October 2009 (UTC)
Two more: Gold Rush! (#145) and Hostage (#146). BOZ ( talk) 13:18, 10 October 2009 (UTC)
Got several more tonight; it looks like there have been fewer reviews per column lately - which is a good thing for me and my sanity! This time around, everything had it's own article already, and some had no citations until now: Abrams Battle Tank (#147), The Magic Candle (#148), Space Quest III (#149), and the following from issue #150: Axe of Rage, Hidden Agenda, Gauntlet, Trust and Betrayal: The Legacy of Siboot, and Barbarian. More to come, but not tonight! BOZ ( talk) 03:05, 13 October 2009 (UTC)
Finishing up 1989! Got Thud Ridge and Strider from #151, and The Kristal, Indiana Jones and the Last Crusade: The Graphic Adventure, and Beyond the Black Hole from #152. Getting into the 90s, probably over the weekend? BOZ ( talk) 05:10, 15 October 2009 (UTC)
Got Sword of Aragon and Space Rogue (#153), and David Wolf: Secret Agent, M1 Tank Platoon, and Star Fleet II: Krellan Commander (#154). BOZ ( talk) 03:49, 16 October 2009 (UTC)
Got TaskMaker, the Lynx game system, Knights of Legend, and Savage from #155, and Harpoon (PC/MS-DOS version), Populous: The Promised Lands, The Computer Edition of Risk: The World Conquest Game, Tiger Road, and Manhunter 2: San Francisco from #156. BOZ ( talk) 06:24, 20 October 2009 (UTC)
Did #157, which I had totally skipped last time around: Knights of Legend (PC/MS-DOS version), A Boy and His Blob, Day of the Viper, Dr. Plummet's House of Flux, Keef the Thief, Knight Force. Also finished up #158: Breach 2, War of the Lance, Time Bandit, Fire King, and Laser Squad; this column also reviewed the MEGA Pack of 10 games by Mastertronic, which contains Rebounder, Monty on the Run, Jack the Nipper II, Bulldog, Krakout, Future Knight, Cosmic Causeway, Trailblazer, Northstar, and THING Bounces Back. Note that of those, each game was reviewed in one sentence so I will not be creating an article for those four (Rebounder, Bulldog, Northstar, and THING) which do not already have one. The second half of 1990 looks like a cakewalk compared to the first half, so I hope to finish that this weekend! BOZ ( talk) 04:29, 23 October 2009 (UTC)
Cakewalk it was - well, nearly so! Finished off the following - note that #162 had only one review and I got that one a long time ago. 159: Gunboat (PC/MS-DOS version), Iron Lord, Welltris, Nuclear War; 160: Drakkhen, Phantasy Star II; *161: Mechwarrior, Budokan; 163: Centurion: Defender of Rome, The Keys to Maramon, Dungeon Explorer, The Revenge of Shinobi; 164: MegaTraveller 1: The Zhodani Conspiracy, Flood. I'll start 1991 probably this weekend, but probably not tonight. :) BOZ ( talk) 04:10, 24 October 2009 (UTC)
Did a few more this time all from #165, maybe no more for a few days: BrainBlasters (compilation of Xevious 2 and Bombuzal), Imperium, Starflight 2: Trade Routes of the Cloud Nebula, and Ishido: The Way of Stones. BOZ ( talk) 20:33, 25 October 2009 (UTC)
And some more: Armor Alley, If It Moves, Shoot It!, King's Bounty, Tangled Tales: The Misadventures of a Wizard's Apprentice (#166); Battletech: The Crescent Hawks' Revenge, Hard Nova, and Stellar 7 (PC/MS-DOS version) (#167). BOZ ( talk) 22:05, 25 October 2009 (UTC)
I had plenty of free time, so I went berserk and finished off 1991! The following reviews are now in the can, as they say. 172: RoboSport, Warlords, Shadow Dancer, Y's Books I and II, Zombie Nation; 173: Space Quest IV, Zarlor Mercenary; 174: Cybergenic Ranger: Secret of the Seventh Planet, F29 Retaliator, Sonic the Hedgehog, Gunboat (Amiga), Harpoon (Amiga), Railroad Tycoon (MacIntosh), Wizardry: Bane of the Cosmic Forge (MacIntosh); 175: Dragon Crystal, Sherlock Holmes Consulting Detective, The Faery Tale Adventure (Sega Genesis), King's Bounty (Sega Genesis), Might and Magic (Sega Genesis); 176: J.B. Harold Murder Club, Phantasy Star III, A-10 Tank Killer (PC/MS-DOS version), Thexder (Macintosh & PC/MS-DOS versions), Space Quest III (Macintosh & PC/MS-DOS versions). BOZ ( talk) 04:38, 28 October 2009 (UTC)
I'm really on a roll! (Happy Halloween, what's left of it, by the way). I'm done with 1992, and since 1993 was brief and I'll have a bunch of time on my hands, I'm going to attempt to get through the whole thing tomorrow and finally finish this enormous leg of my project! We'll see. :) Meanwhile, tonight I got to the following... 187: BattleToads, The Four Crystals of Trazere, King's Bounty (PC/MS-DOS), Super Space Invaders ( Ultima Underworld: The Stygian Abyss was already done); 188: Darkseed, Falcon 3.0, Minotaur, Prince of Persia, and Red Baron. BOZ ( talk) 03:49, 1 November 2009 (UTC)
I made some big progress, but it turns out that I had far more ambition than free time or energy. :) On the bright side, I did get four out of the eight remaining issues done, so I should be able to finish up this second pass through "The Role of Computers" sometime within the next week! Today I got from 189: Global Conquest, Gods, Mission: Thunderbolt, Pacific Islands, Prophecy of the Shadow, Siege, Warrior of Rome II; 190: The Ancient Art of War in the Skies, Goblins, Shinobi (Sega Game Gear system), Alisia Dragoon, SpellCraft: Aspects of Valor; 191: Discovery: In the Steps of Columbus, Legend of Kyrandia, Ultima VII: The Black Gate and Forge of Virtue; 192: Battle Chess Enhanced CD ROM, Cobra Mission, Kingdoms of England II: Vikings, Fields of Conquest, Quest for Glory III: Wages of War, Shadowlands, Waxworks, and Wolfenstein 3-D. BOZ ( talk) 03:44, 2 November 2009 (UTC)
I AM FINALLY DONE with "The Role of Computers". :) Ah yes, I said it, I've been working on this SOB for three months, and a few hundred games later I'm done. Time for a long, long break, and to let this thread die and go to the archives so I can quit monopolizing all this space. ;) Tonight, I finished from 193: Castles II: Siege and Conquest, The Incredible Machine, Indiana Jones and the Fate of Atlantis, Lemmings (MacIntosh version), M4, Push-Over, Space Legions, Carriers At War, Eric the Unready, Paladin II, Task Force 1942; 194: Lure of the Temptress, Realms, Rex Nebular and the Cosmic Gender Bender, The Summoning; 195: Dungeon Master (PC/MS-DOS version), Empire Deluxe, Road Avenger, Star Control II, Who Killed Sam Rupert? ; 196: The Journeyman Project, Legends of Valour, Pax Imperia, S.C.OUT, and Spaceward Ho! v. 3.0! Eventually, some time from now, I will be hitting the last column "Eye of the Monitor", which (God help me) I don't expect to be anywhere near as time consuming as this one was. :) BOZ ( talk) 03:56, 4 November 2009 (UTC)