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April 19

Category:Sikh military

Nominator's rationale: Renaming (A) may be a good idea because of parents Category:Sikh Empire and Category:Military by former country, and siblings in Category:Military by former country. However, as @ Marcocapelle pointed out at Speedy, this requires more discussion because there is lots of content in the category that pre-dates the Sikh Empire. Moreover, Dharamyudh (Sikhism) (an article I wrote some years ago) is a religious concept, and does not belong solely to the Sikh Empire as a state. Alternately, we could also decide that this is just an WP:ARBITRARYCAT that should be deleted (B). Also, I think that the two recently created children Category:Military units and formations of the Sikhs and Category:Wars involving the Sikhs may be WP:ARBITRARYCATs, which will also have to be renamed (A) or deleted (B). Category:Sikh warriors may be a valid category (if it passes WP:EGRS), but not all those within the military of the Sikh Empire were necessarily adherents of Sikhism, so unless renamed & rescoped, that subcategory should be removed from this tree. Please indicate your preference, as both seem workable solutions to the current issues. NLeeuw ( talk) 14:25, 19 April 2024 (UTC) reply
  • Oppose. This is a difficult one, because the Sikhs dominated (parts of) Punjab, but did not have a consistent political structure in that region during the two centuries that this category tree is about. They did have military though, to defend their territories. The period covers the Early Mughal–Sikh wars until the Afghan–Sikh wars and it is only during the latter wars that there was first a Sikh Confederacy and later a Sikh Empire. Deletion or purging would certainly be counter-productive because it would arbitrarily break the military history of the region. At most diffuse by different periods. An alternative in a completely different direction is renaming to Category:Sikh military (1621–1849). Marcocapelle ( talk) 15:14, 19 April 2024 (UTC) reply
    I really don't think we should be categorising military history by religious denomination. That's kinda like creating Category:Anabaptist military and then throwing Münster rebellion and Anabaptist riot in there, as if those were carried out by the Armed Forces of the same "state". They weren't.
    We could split up by state, e.g. Category:Wars involving the Sikh Confederacy and Category:Wars involving the Sikh Empire. I would definitely support that. I could add that as Option C to the nom. NLeeuw ( talk) 20:01, 19 April 2024 (UTC) reply
    • The comparison with Anabaptists is unfair because the two articles you mentioned are situated at two different places and the Anabaptists held power in only one of them. Hypothetically, if they would have maintained longer in Münster, and if there they would have been called "the Anabaptists" by historians as belligerant in wars, then by all means Category:Anabaptist military would have been a valid category. Marcocapelle ( talk) 05:17, 20 April 2024 (UTC) reply
      I think it is fair, because as you mentioned, the Sikh Empire is a different state than the Sikh Confederacy, and formations such as the Akal Sena are even older, but did not yet have their own state; they were in rebellion against the Mughal Empire. (I suppose that's what you are referring to by your suggestion to start counting form 1621?).
      At any rate, we should avoid categorising military personnel by religion per WP:EGRS. A military or armed group is either always connected to a state, or usually intends to form its own state or quasi-state, and sometimes already operates a proto-state or quasi-state (even gangs and mafia can have territories of influence where they extract 'protection money', i.e. tribute). (It is for this reason that we have maintained Military personnel of Fooland rather than Military personnel from Fooland conventions; their service to Fooland defines them, not their birth or residence in Fooland).
      The Akal Sena was such a group, whose military aspects were defined by their loyalty to Guru Hargobind, and their pursuit to establish an independent Sikh state (the First Sikh State arose in 1709). The personal religious beliefs of the individual soldiers in the Akal Sena are WP:NONDEFINING for the group as a military force in service of a guru and a proto-state in the Punjab region. NLeeuw ( talk) 10:42, 20 April 2024 (UTC) reply
      • It may have started as a rebellion, but so did the Dutch Republic which is in retrospect said to have started in the 1570s while it was only recognized by Spain in 1648. There is usually a grey area between rebellion and independence. For the Sikhs independence presumably started in 1606 with the Akal Takht and the first battle against the Mughal Empire taking place in 1621, the Battle of Rohilla. Marcocapelle ( talk) 12:13, 20 April 2024 (UTC) reply
  • See also this follow up discussion. Marcocapelle ( talk) 08:55, 20 April 2024 (UTC) reply

Category:People's peers

Nominator's rationale: The term " people's peers" is chiefly informal, while the new title is unambiguous as to its scope and resembles other similar category names, e.g. "Peers appointed by [monarch]". —  RAVENPVFF · talk · 13:49, 19 April 2024 (UTC) reply

Category:Biota of Tierra del Fuego

Nominator's rationale: Just delete for now without prejudice. It's a redundant layer and its only child is already in all the trees of this cat's parents. NLeeuw ( talk) 13:35, 19 April 2024 (UTC) reply

Category:Southern Cone countries

Nominator's rationale: WP:ARBITRARYCAT. There is no universal definition of Southern Cone; Paraguay is sometimes included, sometimes excluded, and only some Federative units of Brazil are sometimes included, sometimes excluded, but never is Brazil as a whole included. Even if we take the strict definition of just Argentina, Chile and Uruguay, that's only three countries, and this category has no other navigational value. Its parent Category:Countries in South America by region only has this child, so that was a redundant layer anyway, and should be deleted as well. NLeeuw ( talk) 13:30, 19 April 2024 (UTC) reply
  • Delete, there are only 12 countries in South America so that does not require diffusion. Marcocapelle ( talk) 15:35, 19 April 2024 (UTC) reply

Category:Southern cone music

Nominator's rationale: Main article was deleted as WP:OR: Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Southern cone music. The remainder may be upmerged to Category:Music of South America. NLeeuw ( talk) 13:21, 19 April 2024 (UTC) reply

Category:Haitian people of Mulatto descent

Nominator's rationale: rename per article Mulatto Haitians. It probably is a case of WP:C2D speedy renaming, but maybe there are objections. Marcocapelle ( talk) 07:35, 19 April 2024 (UTC) reply

Maratha Empire

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The result of the discussion was: delete. – Fayenatic London 11:54, 27 April 2024 (UTC) reply
Nominator's rationale: delete, isolated year categories. No need to merge, the articles are still in Category:1782 in India and Category:1792 in India, and already in Category:Treaties of the Maratha Empire. Marcocapelle ( talk) 07:22, 19 April 2024 (UTC) reply
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Category:Jewish history by region

Nominator's rationale: rename per actual content. Marcocapelle ( talk) 06:01, 19 April 2024 (UTC) reply

Category:20th-century Andorran people by occupation

Nominator's rationale: There's no need to have a by occupation category when there's only one occupation Mason ( talk) 00:26, 19 April 2024 (UTC) reply


April 18

Category:Chicago television shows

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The result of the discussion was: rename to Category:Original programming by local channels in Chicago. (non-admin closure) Qwerfjkl talk 12:09, 27 April 2024 (UTC) reply
Nominator's rationale: Current name is way too close to Category:Television shows set in Chicago and much too vague given its actual, very specific meaning, and needs to be changed. This suggestion is based on Category:Local television programming in the United States, and it's probably the best I can come up with, though alternate suggestions are very welcome. Similar issue exists for all of Television in Cleveland, Detroit, Minnesota, Philadelphia, St. Louis, and the San Francisco Bay Area, so this nomination could be expanded. QuietHere ( talk | contributions) 21:51, 18 April 2024 (UTC) reply
Support. I think I created this, it's hard to tell after a few name changes. The intent was to list shows made by local channels. The existing categories and subcategory support this. Fuddle ( talk) 01:36, 19 April 2024 (UTC) reply
Flip-flop: I like this idea better. It's longer, but more precise. Fuddle ( talk) 21:35, 19 April 2024 (UTC) reply
I'm not opposed to this, even if it's a bit of a mouthful. QuietHere ( talk | contributions) 23:10, 19 April 2024 (UTC) reply
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Category:Habitats Directive Species

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Category:Shabbat observant businesses

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The result of the discussion was: delete ( non-admin closure) Queen of ♡ | speak 21:26, 19 April 2024 (UTC) reply
Nominator's rationale: I think "Shabbat observant" is a compound adjective that should have a hyphen. 123.51.107.94 ( talk) 00:37, 11 April 2024 (UTC) reply

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Delete per Marco Mason ( talk) 13:41, 19 April 2024 (UTC) reply
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Category:Religious extremism

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The result of the discussion was: rename ( non-admin closure) House Blaster ( talk · he/him) 14:45, 26 April 2024 (UTC) reply
Nominator's rationale: rename per main article Religious fanaticism. This could perhaps be speedied, but let's see if there are objections after all. Marcocapelle ( talk) 18:44, 18 April 2024 (UTC) reply
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Category:Music of Extremadura

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The result of the discussion was: merge ( non-admin closure) House Blaster ( talk · he/him) 14:45, 26 April 2024 (UTC) reply
Nominator's rationale: 1 P, 0 C. Already in other parent. Upmerge for now without prejudice. NLeeuw ( talk) 16:24, 18 April 2024 (UTC) reply
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Category:Bulgarian encyclopedias

Nominator's rationale: It is not useful to lump together works from or about Bulgaria with works in the Bulgarian language that could be about different topics. Some entries might remain in the original category if they are about encyclopedias from Bulgaria. – LaundryPizza03 ( d c̄) 19:42, 1 April 2024 (UTC) reply

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  • Comment That an encyclopedia was published in Bulgaria does not mean that the topic is Bulgaria. Encyclopedias tend to cover a wide variety of topics. Dimadick ( talk) 14:20, 9 April 2024 (UTC) reply
  • In practice it is very unlikely that an encyclopedia published in Bulgaria wouldn't be Bulgarian-language encyclopedia, so they would fall in the second split target. Marcocapelle ( talk) 21:04, 9 April 2024 (UTC) reply
    That's not what Dimadick said; he pointed out that country of publication and topic do not need to match, rather than that country of publication and language do not need to match.
    Incidentally, specialised English-language encyclopedias are published all over the world all the time. Within a few seconds I just found the Encyclopedia of Coastal Science (2005), published in Dordrecht, the Netherlands. Last I checked, English still isn't the dominant native language over here, but that doesn't stop anyone from publishing encyclopaedias in English on "Dutch" soil. ;) NLeeuw ( talk) 00:09, 10 April 2024 (UTC) reply

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Category:Dutch encyclopedias

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The result of the discussion was: option 2. (non-admin closure) Qwerfjkl talk 12:12, 27 April 2024 (UTC) reply
  • Option 1
  • Option 2
  • (both options):
Nominator's rationale for Option 1: Per the actual scope of the main article, List of Dutch encyclopedias, which I have just renamed List of encyclopedias in Dutch, because the scope as indicated by the definition in the opening sentence is 'Encyclopedias in the Dutch language', and includes several encyclopedias published in Belgium rather than the Netherlands. The connected Commonscat was already named c:Category:Encyclopedias in Dutch. The interwiki to frwiki was already fr:Liste d'encyclopédies en néerlandais, a redirect to fr:Liste d'encyclopédies par langue#Néerlandais, and to nlwiki already to nl:Encyclopedie#Nederlandstalige encyclopedieën. This also means we should Purge parents Category:Encyclopedias by country and Category:European encyclopedias, because the Dutch language is not necessarily limited by geography to Europe either (e.g. there is an nl:Encyclopedie van Suriname, published in 1977 in Suriname, two years after it became indepedent). Because I recently renamed the main article myself, speedy criterion C2D does not count, but as you can see, it has always been the main article's and category's scope. NLeeuw ( talk) 12:13, 1 April 2024 (UTC) reply
Update 6 April 2024 and rationale for Option 2: Belarusian, Albanian, Bengali and Tamil language encyclopedias have been added to the nomination following their speedy renaming nomination by LaundryPizza03, and Marcocapelle's suggestion to go full, and my suggestion to centralise discussion over here. The rationale for Option 2 is that it conforms with most older naming conventions to name things Fooian-language things. By contrast, emerging new conventions (Option 1) favour Things in Fooian. We all agree the current categories should be renamed, but the question is which Option is preferable. For both options, it is proposed to Purge them out of the by country and by continent trees, because these encyclopedias are by language. NLeeuw ( talk) 16:14, 6 April 2024 (UTC) reply
  • Support, language is generally much more a defining characteristic of a book than the country where it is published. Marcocapelle ( talk) 12:36, 1 April 2024 (UTC) reply
    I agree. Country of publication could be defining, and it's okay that we've got a Category:Encyclopedias by country tree. But if we need to choose, I think language takes priority over country of publication. We could do both, but then we risk situations like Category:Latvian encyclopedias and Category:Latvian-language encyclopedias, which are technically distinct, but both contain the two same items in practice. Only for larger languages and countries like France versus the French language, it is evident to have separate category trees, especially if the latter has a subcategory like "Belgian encyclopedias in French" or something, showing that France and French don't always coincidence. NLeeuw ( talk) 12:52, 1 April 2024 (UTC) reply
    Courtesy ping @ Marcocapelle:, you might want to clarify or change your !vote based on the amended nomination and rationale. Thanks. NLeeuw ( talk) 16:16, 6 April 2024 (UTC) reply
    • I do not have a strong preference between option 1 and 2, both are an improvement versus current. Marcocapelle ( talk) 16:47, 6 April 2024 (UTC) reply

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Support option 2. Omnis Scientia ( talk) 20:03, 18 April 2024 (UTC) reply
Support option 2. Matches with Category:Mass media by language tree. QuietHere ( talk | contributions) 23:15, 19 April 2024 (UTC) reply
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Category:Estonian numismatists

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Category:18th-century American slave owners

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The result of the discussion was: delete. (non-admin closure) Qwerfjkl talk 12:25, 27 April 2024 (UTC) reply
Nominator's rationale: Do we really need to diffuse by century of ownership? I don't think that the category is helpful. I think diffusion by state would be more helpful. Mason ( talk) 03:12, 2 April 2024 (UTC) reply
  • It looks like the categories have been depopulated. Marcocapelle ( talk) 03:40, 2 April 2024 (UTC) reply
    FWIW: @ MarcocapelleWhen I nominated the categories, there were zero pages in them, just the slave-trader categories. Mason ( talk) 22:12, 2 April 2024 (UTC) reply
  • Upmerge to Category:American slave owners. Redundant layers. NLeeuw ( talk) 05:11, 2 April 2024 (UTC) reply
  • Opose Whyever delete it? It is always usefull to sort people by century, and the category American slave owners is too big, and need sub categories. Nothing prevents having both a category by state and a category by century; other categories of people do. Slaves have century categories, and nothing prevents having century categories for slave owners as well. They are always helpful when a reader need to find people by century, and do not prevent the creation of other categories, such as state categories.-- Aciram ( talk) 12:39, 2 April 2024 (UTC) reply
    As the category creator,Aciram, are you planning on populating them? Mason ( talk) 22:13, 2 April 2024 (UTC) reply
    If it's just 2 centuries, I strongly recommend against subdividing by centuries. There will be a lot of duplication without navigational advantage. Splitting by state seems doable and defining, however. NLeeuw ( talk) 20:53, 3 April 2024 (UTC) reply
    I'm adding the newly-created parent categories, that are also not populated with pages, in a moment. @ Aciram@ Marcocapelle@ Nederlandse Leeuw Mason ( talk) 19:44, 4 April 2024 (UTC) reply
    I don't think it's very helpful to start creating new empty categories with little navigational value in the middle of a CfD. That said, I'll emphasise that I favour upmerging for now without prejudice. If a newly created category can be properly filled with items and has demonstrable navigational value, there's nothing wrong with it. NLeeuw ( talk) 22:00, 4 April 2024 (UTC) reply
  • Delete as nominated. It is not helpful to sort by century.-- User:Namiba 00:27, 8 April 2024 (UTC) reply
  • Oppose Diffusion by century is always useful in large categories. Dimadick ( talk) 14:41, 9 April 2024 (UTC) reply
    Not always. For example, we very intentionally don't have activists diffused by century or athletes by sport. Dimadick, are you planning on doing the diffusion? Because right now these categories are *very empty*. Mason ( talk) 13:54, 10 April 2024 (UTC) reply

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Delete per nom. Omnis Scientia ( talk) 20:01, 18 April 2024 (UTC) reply
Delete/upmerge: Diffusing by country/state makes a lot more sense and would save from the overlap issue that NLeeuw mentioned. QuietHere ( talk | contributions) 23:19, 19 April 2024 (UTC) reply
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Category:Anti-Jewish pogroms by Muslims

Nominator's rationale: This category feels WP:COATRACKy. There is no Category:Anti-Jewish pogroms by Christians, even though those are far more prevalent. Moreover, many of the incidents here were not even defined by the participation of Muslims so inclusion into the Islam and anti-Semitism article would not always be appropriate. User:Namiba 18:04, 10 April 2024 (UTC) reply
I originally created that category, feeling that pogroms by Muslims were notable precisely because they were much less common than pogroms by (especially Russian or other Eastern European) Christians. -- GCarty ( talk) 07:26, 11 April 2024 (UTC) reply
Understandable. But the effect might be that unnecessary emphasis is placed on Muslims as perpetrators in a way that is currently not done for Christians (or others) as perpetrators. NLeeuw ( talk) 01:01, 12 April 2024 (UTC) reply
Perhaps rename to Category:Anti-Jewish pogroms in the Middle East and North Africa, or something similar? -- GCarty ( talk) 08:35, 12 April 2024 (UTC) reply
  • Meanwhile GCarty proposed another alternative which (if slightly modified) I would not oppose either. Marcocapelle ( talk) 09:05, 12 April 2024 (UTC) reply
  • Merge. If not, delete. "By Muslims" is simply unacceptable in a category name. Even when the majority of the perpetrators were Muslims, the name implies that their religion was a key factor in the process (rather than politics, economics, etc.). Usually this is either false or unknown. Would we name a cat about things done by Israel with "by Jews"? Zero talk 04:04, 13 April 2024 (UTC) reply
    As mentioned above, I now think the this category (which I created originally) should be replaced with Category:Anti-Jewish pogroms in the Middle East and/or Category:Anti-Jewish pogroms in North Africa. -- GCarty ( talk) 19:03, 15 April 2024 (UTC) reply
As the nominator, I suggest we merge with no objection to splitting off articles by continent for consistency's sake.-- User:Namiba 20:21, 15 April 2024 (UTC) reply

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Merge per nom and per discussion above. Omnis Scientia ( talk) 20:00, 18 April 2024 (UTC) reply


Category:Los Angeles Angels of Anaheim field personnel

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The result of the discussion was: merge ( non-admin closure) Qwerfjkl talk 12:32, 27 April 2024 (UTC) reply
Nominator's rationale: Merge categories per previous discussion here. Omnis Scientia ( talk) 12:43, 18 April 2024 (UTC) reply
Pinging @ Eureka Lott and @ Natg 19 from the previous discussion on the matter. Omnis Scientia ( talk) 12:46, 18 April 2024 (UTC) reply
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Category:The Book of Boba Fett episodes

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The result of the discussion was: delete ( non-admin closure) Queen of ♡ | speak 18:05, 25 April 2024 (UTC) reply
Nominator's rationale: All episodes were redirected so no content here. The child category will automatically be placed in the parent category if this is deleted. Gonnym ( talk) 12:03, 18 April 2024 (UTC) reply
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Category:Swedish emigrants to Japan

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Tourism in Brazil by city

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The result of the discussion was: merge ( non-admin closure) Queen of ♡ | speak 18:04, 25 April 2024 (UTC) reply
Nominator's rationale: These only contain subcats for tourist attractions, which are already categorised in Category:Tourist attractions in Brazil by city. – Fayenatic London 11:25, 18 April 2024 (UTC) reply
  • Merge per nom (or delete, as I am not sure if tourist attractions really belong in economy). Marcocapelle ( talk) 16:41, 18 April 2024 (UTC) reply
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History of Ipê

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The result of the discussion was: merge/delete. (non-admin closure) Queen of ♡ | speak 18:01, 25 April 2024 (UTC) reply
Nominator's rationale: Only contains 1 article on a museum. – Fayenatic London 11:18, 18 April 2024 (UTC) reply
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Talian dialect

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The result of the discussion was: merge ( non-admin closure) Queen of ♡ | speak 18:00, 25 April 2024 (UTC) reply
Nominator's rationale: These categories only contain one article, That article is about Talian dialect, which I don't think we would generally categorise as geography anyway. – Fayenatic London 10:23, 18 April 2024 (UTC) reply
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Tourism in Rio Grande do Sul

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The result of the discussion was: merge ( non-admin closure) Queen of ♡ | speak 17:58, 25 April 2024 (UTC) reply
Nominator's rationale: Merge for now, only one or two pages in these sub-categories, and mostly it's the same regional article. – Fayenatic London 09:47, 18 April 2024 (UTC) reply
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April 17

Category:Legacy of Austria-Hungary

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The result of the discussion was: merge ( non-admin closure) Queen of ♡ | speak 00:07, 25 April 2024 (UTC) reply
Nominator's rationale: I'm not sure how this category is defining. These just seem to be long-lasting historical events Mason ( talk) 19:00, 17 April 2024 (UTC) reply
Well, the average reader would associate the term "History of Austria-Hungary" with events that happened during Austria-Hungary. "Legacy of Austria-Hungary" would be things that are not just placed coterminously, but exist after it, and many of them to this day. As for being defining, they're all pretty clearly associated with Austria-Hungary in the article and in their sources, did you notice any particular ommissions to this? -- Joy ( talk) 19:10, 17 April 2024 (UTC) reply
  • Delete, it is a hogdepodge of articles that have very little in common with each other. Marcocapelle ( talk) 21:03, 17 April 2024 (UTC) reply
    @ Marcocapelle yes, the thing they have in common with each other is that they're legacy of Austria-Hungary. Similar to many other categorizations. Why do you think this could not be useful to the average English reader researching this historical topic? -- Joy ( talk) 14:31, 18 April 2024 (UTC) reply
  • Merge per nom and WP:ARBITRARYCAT. What is and is not "legacy" is often arbitrary, and claims of legacy often fall in the realm of pseudohistory. Categories are not the best place to assess the validity of those claims. The Death and funeral of Otto von Habsburg is a great example: you can always claim it is the "legacy" of something; not just Austria-Hungary, but the entire Holy Roman Empire, and by extension the Roman Empire, and by extension Ancient Greece, and so on. (Sounds very WP:ASSOCIATEDWITHy to me). Categories would be a mess if we went that way. Strictly speaking, it happened in 2011, is therefore not part the History, which ended in 1918, so it should be Purged. NLeeuw ( talk) 15:01, 19 April 2024 (UTC) reply
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Category:Arctic music

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The result of the discussion was: delete ( non-admin closure) Queen of ♡ | speak 00:07, 25 April 2024 (UTC) reply
Nominator's rationale: WP:ARBITRARYCAT. Mostly irrelevant intersection of geography and music by country/ethnicity category trees. The overwhelming majority of the population in each of these countries lives outside the Arctic (that is, below the Arctic Circle of 66° 34' N. Iceland entirely lies below the Article Circle, except for the northernmost tip of the islet of Grímsey, which due to plate tectonics will also be completely south of the Circle within a few years. All inhabitants of Iceland live below it. Classifying all Category:Icelandic music as "Arctic music", because a stonethrow of diminishing beach is above an arbitrary circle, is ridiculous. Similar arguments can be made for all the rest of this category. No musician in Toronto is thinking: 'Oh, my music is sooo Arctic!' Anyway, you get the idea. NLeeuw ( talk) 18:00, 17 April 2024 (UTC) reply
 Comment: For the last part, is it like an equivalent of the “Do you live in igloos?” question? I do know there are Arctic tribes that had their own music and the Inuit are a good example of this. SpinnerLaserzthe2nd ( talk) 18:09, 17 April 2024 (UTC) reply
Sure, but Inuit people can and do live south of the Arctic Circle as well, and that doesn't seem to affect their music in any way. People are mobile, they can live and migrate all around the world. Even within Nunavut and Greenland, where most Inuit live (see Inuit#Demographics), the majority of them live below the Arctic Circle of 66° 34' N, see List of communities in Nunavut. Last I checked, there is no Category:Temperate zone music either. That line on the map has no significance for music whatsoever. NLeeuw ( talk) 19:08, 17 April 2024 (UTC) reply
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Category:Songs from animated series

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The result of the discussion was: rename ( non-admin closure) Queen of ♡ | speak 00:06, 25 April 2024 (UTC) reply
Nominator's rationale: Per precedent at Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2024 February 1#Category:Songs from television series, rename and purge. House Blaster ( talk · he/him) 17:52, 17 April 2024 (UTC) reply
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Category:Disney animation songs

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The result of the discussion was: merge ( non-admin closure) Queen of ♡ | speak 00:06, 25 April 2024 (UTC) reply
Nominator's rationale: Only contains one redirect ( Der Fuehrer's Face (song)). Upmerge for now; unhelpful for navigation. I have purposefully left out the other two parent categories as merge targets: Der Fuehrer's Face (a cartoon that I would highly recommend you watch!) is not really a series (and thus the song does not belong in Category:Songs from animated series) and the song itself has no animation. House Blaster ( talk · he/him) 17:51, 17 April 2024 (UTC) reply
  • Merge per nom. Marcocapelle ( talk) 21:06, 17 April 2024 (UTC) reply
  • Upmerge for now without prejudice. Unhelpful at this time. Not sure it will never be helpful in the future, as the majority of Disney films are animated, and how a song is visualised may not be WP:DEFINING, but who knows. NLeeuw ( talk) 14:49, 19 April 2024 (UTC) reply
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Category:Maharajas of Punjab, India

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The result of the discussion was: rename as unopposed. (non-admin closure) Queen of ♡ | speak 00:06, 25 April 2024 (UTC) reply
Nominator's rationale: rename and remove header: anachronistic category name, since Punjab, India did not exist yet. Marcocapelle ( talk) 17:42, 17 April 2024 (UTC) reply
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Category:French people in New Caledonia

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The result of the discussion was: delete ( non-admin closure) Queen of ♡ | speak 00:05, 25 April 2024 (UTC) reply
Nominator's rationale: New Caledonia is part of France, so I'm not convinced of the usefulness of this category (which contains only two pages). It does not seem helpful to navigation and is listed as part of the French expatriates category tree which seems inaccurate. AusLondonder ( talk) 13:11, 17 April 2024 (UTC) reply
  • Delete per nom. The term "expatriate" does not apply when residing within the borders of the country of one's nationality. NLeeuw ( talk) 15:20, 17 April 2024 (UTC) reply
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Category:Inbred animals

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The result of the discussion was: soft delete. Based on minimal participation, this uncontroversial nomination is treated as an expired PROD (a.k.a. "soft deletion"). Editors can request the category's undeletion. (non-admin closure) Queen of ♡ | speak 00:05, 25 April 2024 (UTC) reply
Nominator's rationale: Description is erroneous and most dog breeds are arguably inbred, this is a very subjective/specific list that ultimately has more to do with the perception of whoever added the category. Traumnovelle ( talk) 07:19, 17 April 2024 (UTC) reply
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Category:Sydney New Year's Eve

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The result of the discussion was: delete ( non-admin closure) House Blaster ( talk · he/him) 12:05, 24 April 2024 (UTC) reply
Nominator's rationale: This category seems to be WP:NONDEFINING as it appears to just be a collection of locations in Sydney where fireworks are set off on New Year's Day. BaduFerreira ( talk) 01:56, 17 April 2024 (UTC) reply
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Category:Crackers (food)

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The result of the discussion was: keep. Noting that nomination was lukewarm at best about a rename. (non-admin closure) House Blaster ( talk · he/him) 12:02, 24 April 2024 (UTC) reply
Nominator's rationale: Should Category:Crackers (food) be disambiguated if nothing exists at Category:Crackers? Not sure, so I'm nominating this for discussion. BaduFerreira ( talk) 00:41, 17 April 2024 (UTC) reply
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Category:Democratic Labor Party (historical) members of the Parliament of Victoria

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The result of the discussion was: rename as unopposed. ( non-admin closure) Queen of ♡ | speak 00:03, 25 April 2024 (UTC) reply
Nominator's rationale: There's multiple Democratic Labor Parties that can be considered historical. Although the disambiguation-less version is available and not occupied by any other categories, it seems appropriate to still include the Australian 1955? As to differentiate it from other Democratic Labor Parties in some fashion. Utopes ( talk / cont) 00:28, 17 April 2024 (UTC) reply
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Category:Democratic Labor Party (historical) politicians

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The result of the discussion was: rename ( non-admin closure) Queen of ♡ | speak 00:02, 25 April 2024 (UTC) reply
Nominator's rationale: The associated page with this category was recently moved, as there are multiple Democratic Labor Parties that can be described as "historical". This category and associated titles should be moved to a more fitting name, but I'm not sure whether there's a more preferable / succinct way of renaming to focus on this being the Australian, 1955 Democratic Labor Party. Utopes ( talk / cont) 00:21, 17 April 2024 (UTC) reply
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April 16

Category:Christian anti-Zionism

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The result of the discussion was: delete ( non-admin closure) Qwerfjkl talk 11:25, 27 April 2024 (UTC) reply
Nominator's rationale: delete, not as a matter of principle, but there are only two articles in it, one for which anti-Zionism is a POV judgment and the other is anti- Christian Zionism which is quite something different than Jewish Zionism. E.g. Christian Zionism asserts a parallel idea that the returnees ought to be encouraged to reject Judaism and adopt Christianity as a means of fulfilling biblical prophecies. Marcocapelle ( talk) 09:41, 1 April 2024 (UTC) reply
Oppose. As long as Category:Christian Zionism exists, I don't see any reason to get rid of this category. AHI-3000 ( talk) 21:17, 3 April 2024 (UTC) reply
  • The reason for that is the existence of Christian Zionism as a separate movement with quite a different agenda than Zionism. They are not Zionists who happen to be Christians but rather adherents of Christian_Zionism. Marcocapelle ( talk) 17:31, 4 April 2024 (UTC) reply

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Support per nom. Mason ( talk) 23:16, 13 April 2024 (UTC) reply

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Category:Anti-Zionist Christians

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The result of the discussion was: delete ( non-admin closure) Qwerfjkl talk 11:25, 27 April 2024 (UTC) reply
Nominator's rationale: delete, the category contains people with widely diverging views, from antisemitism to advocy of Palestinian human rights, but generally it has very little to do with Christian theology. If applicable, articles are better off in Category:American Zionists etc. than in a specific Christian category. Marcocapelle ( talk) 09:49, 1 April 2024 (UTC) reply
Support per nom. Mason ( talk) 21:56, 1 April 2024 (UTC) reply
Oppose. As long as Category:Christian Zionists exists, I don't see any reason to get rid of this category. AHI-3000 ( talk) 21:16, 3 April 2024 (UTC) reply
  • The reason for that is the existence of Christian Zionism as a separate movement with quite a different agenda than Zionism. They are not Zionists who happen to be Christians but rather adherents of Christian_Zionism. Marcocapelle ( talk) 17:30, 4 April 2024 (UTC) reply

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Category:Anti-mainlander sentiment in Hong Kong

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The result of the discussion was: merge ( non-admin closure) Queen of ♡ | speak 00:10, 25 April 2024 (UTC) reply
Nominator's rationale: "Anti-mainlander sentiment" is not a defining characteristic of the articles that have been placed in this category, which are about subjects that may be more accurately or commonly described as reflecting a "pro-democracy", "localist", or "anti-Chinese Communist Party" sentiment. The category name is also biased in favour of a narrative promoted by the Chinese government – the Hong Kong pro-democracy movement was portrayed as "anti-mainlander" to help cement Chinese public opinion against Hong Kong democracy activists. Citobun ( talk) 23:28, 16 April 2024 (UTC) reply
  • Delete or merge to Category:Hong Kong democracy movements, the two categories seem to overlap. Marcocapelle ( talk) 21:13, 17 April 2024 (UTC) reply
  • Move the title to Category:Anti-Chinese sentiment in Hong Kong. There is a difference between the pro-democracy movement and the anti-mainlander sentiment. Among the latter, some simply antagonize the CCP, but others antagonize the mainlander's people. However, many Hong Kongers see it as better to change the title than delete it, as they distinguish their identity from the [mainland] Chinese people. ProKMT ( talk) 08:03, 18 April 2024 (UTC) reply
  • Delete the category article itself is a completely different matter. I am well aware of the oppression of CCP in Hong Kong, but at the same time, I am also aware of discrimination against the mainlander 'people'. Even before I edited it, many articles related to Hong Kong topics included Category:Anti-Chinese sentiment in Asia. ProKMT ( talk) 07:04, 19 April 2024 (UTC) reply
  • None of the articles fits well with the category title. As said, they are much more about the Hong Kong democracy movements. Marcocapelle ( talk) 05:47, 20 April 2024 (UTC) reply
  • Delete or merge per Marco. Mason ( talk) 13:44, 23 April 2024 (UTC) reply
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Category:Deaths due to hippopotamus attacks

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The result of the discussion was: delete. This is a variation of a WP:BARTENDER close: Rather than relist for further discussion on whether Menes belongs in Category:Deaths due to animal attacks or not, further discussion on this point can take place at Talk:Menes. No prejudice against nominating the sibling categories for merging/deletion. (non-admin closure) House Blaster ( talk · he/him) 02:38, 24 April 2024 (UTC) reply
Nominator's rationale: Not a defining characteristic of the sole member. * Pppery * it has begun... 20:55, 16 April 2024 (UTC) reply
Delete per nomination. QuietHere ( talk | contributions) 00:27, 17 April 2024 (UTC) reply
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Category:Orange Twin albums

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The result of the discussion was: merge ( non-admin closure) House Blaster ( talk · he/him) 02:29, 24 April 2024 (UTC) reply
Nominator's rationale: Orange Twin is a redirect to Orange Twin Records. These categories refer to the same record label. QuietHere ( talk | contributions) 20:49, 16 April 2024 (UTC) reply
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Category:Citizens of Indonesia through descent

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The result of the discussion was: purge&merge. (non-admin closure) Queen of ♡ | speak 00:11, 25 April 2024 (UTC) reply
Nominator's rationale: Per precedent at Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2024 April 8#Category:Citizens of Hungary through descent and Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2022 November 17#Category:Citizens through descent, purge and merge to Category:People with acquired Indonesian citizenship. House Blaster ( talk · he/him) 20:38, 16 April 2024 (UTC) reply
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Category:History of Austria-Hungary by topic

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The result of the discussion was: merge ( non-admin closure) House Blaster ( talk · he/him) 02:33, 24 April 2024 (UTC) reply
Nominator's rationale: merge, redundant category layer with only two subcategories. Marcocapelle ( talk) 20:35, 16 April 2024 (UTC) reply
  • Meanwhile one of the subcategories has been nominated for deletion, probably leaving even only one subcategory here. Marcocapelle ( talk) 17:41, 23 April 2024 (UTC) reply
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Category:Unrecognized tribes in the United States

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Category:Indian massacres

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Category:Intersex transgender people

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Category:Volodimerovichi family

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Infrastructure

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The result of the discussion was: no consensus. (non-admin closure) Queen of ♡ | speak 00:15, 25 April 2024 (UTC) reply
Nominator's rationale: merge, strongly overlapping scope. (Of course if there is consensus about this, then all subcategories need to be nominated as well.) Marcocapelle ( talk) 18:58, 31 March 2024 (UTC) reply
Support. I think this is a really good idea. (However, if the decision ends with Keep, think we'd need to have a really really clear definition in the category description to support maintenance. ) Mason ( talk) 19:06, 31 March 2024 (UTC) reply
For what it's worth, I think this category should remain as is. :) KīlaueaGlows ( talk) 06:57, 5 April 2024 (UTC) reply
Leaning oppose. Some of the subcategories of Category:Infrastructure would be seemingly out of place in Category:Buildings and structures. For instance Energy infrastructure‎, Category:Infrastructure of the Holocaust, Category:History of infrastructure, Category:Infrastructure investment and Category:IT infrastructure wouldn't make sense as subcategories of . Category:Buildings and structures. Pichpich ( talk) 21:27, 31 March 2024 (UTC) reply
  • Ok, then for the top category it is too early to be merged. The subcategories by date and location are set categories, and items of infrastructure are always buildings or structures, so this objection does not apply to these subcategories. Marcocapelle ( talk) 06:57, 1 April 2024 (UTC) reply
  • Oppose I've been looking at some categories about canals and they are appropriately categorized under "infrastructure" rather than "buildings and structures". I think with their addition and that of other similar categories. "structure" would become so broad (anything that is built?) as to become almost meaningless. There might be some overlap here but I think that the solution might be to change "buildings and structures" to just "buildings" and leave "infrastructure" be. Liz Read! Talk! 22:38, 5 April 2024 (UTC) reply
  • Looking at more categories, it looks like some "infrastructure" categories are placed under the parent categories of "buildings and structures" which I think is more appropriate than merging the two. Liz Read! Talk! 22:44, 5 April 2024 (UTC) reply

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Category:16th-century Roman Catholic bishops in Portuguese Macau

Nominator's rationale: sibling are all called Category:Roman Catholic bishops in Macau, even though those were also during the time of Portuguese Macau (1557–1999) . Category:19th-century Roman Catholic bishops in Macau‎ Category:20th-century Roman Catholic bishops in Macau Mason ( talk) 18:12, 31 March 2024 (UTC) reply
  • Shouldn't they all be bishops of Macau? Per List of bishops of Macau. Marcocapelle ( talk) 18:40, 31 March 2024 (UTC) reply
    Hmmmm, I've been thinking of them like a country of work category, like that's where the bishop is serving, as opposed to the dioses. If we changed it to "of" Macau, would that mean that all the bishops would also have to be in the parent category? Category:XXXX-century Roman Catholic bishops in China (or Asia)? My goal is to make all the categories consistent, and possibly avoid having a perpetual edit war over the parent country category. [1] Mason ( talk) 18:51, 31 March 2024 (UTC) reply
Just for twelve days in the 20th century? Domingos Lam served between 1988 and 2003 (i.e. across 1999) and the article already belongs to both the 20th- and 21st-century categories. His successor José Lai served between 2003 and 2016. 219.77.182.250 ( talk) 15:01, 25 April 2024 (UTC) reply
    • With all respect this isn't and shouldn't be an entirely mechanical process as you put it. You have to read and understand the subject as well. 58.152.55.172 ( talk) 08:30, 11 April 2024 (UTC) reply
  • Long story short, there were bishops appointed to dioceses elsewhere who served and were based in Macau (e.g. as administrators of the diocese, which covered an area large enough to be subdivided into hundreds of dioceses in the following centuries). These were bishops in Macau but not Bishops of Macau. 58.152.55.172 ( talk) 08:30, 11 April 2024 (UTC) reply
  • That may be the case but that does not match with the content of this category tree. Bishops in these categories were bishops of Macao. Marcocapelle ( talk) 05:17, 26 April 2024 (UTC) reply
  • Reverse rename. That was the Portuguese period, and there was a time when it was a província ultramarina. 219.77.182.250 ( talk) 13:14, 1 April 2024 (UTC) reply
    What does that even mean? Mason ( talk) 00:57, 2 April 2024 (UTC) reply
    • It is obvious that it was Portuguese, that does not have to be added to the category name per se. Marcocapelle ( talk) 04:14, 2 April 2024 (UTC) reply
      • Then name the categories accordingly. 58.152.55.172 ( talk) 09:07, 3 April 2024 (UTC) reply
        • No, I am just saying that it is not necessary. Marcocapelle ( talk) 20:16, 8 April 2024 (UTC) reply
          • Not necessary per se; but, as I read it, not something that cannot and shouldn't be done. 58.152.55.172 ( talk) 08:30, 11 April 2024 (UTC) reply
  • Keep. Rename the 17th to 20th-century categories accordingly and make them along with the 16th-century category under the tree of Category:Portuguese Macau. 58.152.55.172 ( talk) 08:55, 2 April 2024 (UTC) reply
    FYI, these are all the same IP and a well-known one at that WP:LTA/HKGW Mason ( talk) 13:54, 2 April 2024 (UTC) reply

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@ Marcocapelle, @ Smasongarrison, do you agree on the rename target Category:Roman Catholic bishops of Macau? —  Qwerfjkl talk 12:01, 27 April 2024 (UTC) reply
  • For sure, bishops are bishops of a diocese in the first place. Marcocapelle ( talk) 12:38, 27 April 2024 (UTC) reply

Recipients of the Sahitya Akademi Award

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Category:Recipients of Indian civil awards and decorations

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The result of the discussion was: no consensus. (non-admin closure) Queen of ♡ | speak 00:18, 25 April 2024 (UTC) reply
Nominator's rationale: WP:OCAWARD PepperBeast (talk) 21:03, 8 April 2024 (UTC) reply
  • Delete per nom. The above awards aren't worth an exception from WP:OCAWARD, they are not comparable to a Nobel prize. Marcocapelle ( talk) 05:39, 9 April 2024 (UTC) reply
  • Keep. We're not starting this again, are we? Most of these are clearly notable and defining. They include the Bharat Ratna, the highest civilian honour that can be awarded by India, and the Kaisar-i-Hind Medal, an extremely prestigious award given in British India. If they're not defining, then what on earth is? WP:OCAWARD certainly does not say that awards have to be comparable to a Nobel Prize; neither does it say that only international awards should be categorised, which is what such a suggestion implies. The deletion rationale is entirely spurious and ridiculously brief. -- Necrothesp ( talk) 09:51, 9 April 2024 (UTC) reply
  • Keep I find it very hard to believe that a category based on India's highest civilian honour is not appropriate as defining. If that is the argument then the entire category tree at Category:Order of the British Empire, which contains about a hundred subcategories and many thousands of articles should be added to this nomination. As should the substantial category tree at Category:Recipients of United States civil awards and decorations. By singling out one country this nomination makes no sense. AusLondonder ( talk) 15:22, 12 April 2024 (UTC) reply

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Category:Temples (LDS Church) in Latin America

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The result of the discussion was: delete. (non-admin closure) Toadette Edit! 17:38, 23 April 2024 (UTC) reply
Nominator's rationale: WP:OVERLAPCAT: all pages are already in child Category:Temples (LDS Church) in South America or its subcategories, or in sibling Category:Temples (LDS Church) in North America or its subcategories. Thus it has little navigational value and just adds category clutter to the articles. NLeeuw ( talk) 16:52, 16 April 2024 (UTC) reply
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Category:Transport and the Mercosur

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The result of the discussion was: upmerge. (non-admin closure) Toadette Edit! 17:44, 23 April 2024 (UTC) reply
Nominator's rationale: Category:Transport and the Mercosur has 1 P, 0 C. Upmerge to grandparent Category:Mercosur for now without prejudice. Dual merge won't be necessary, I put the only article ( Vehicle registration plates of the Mercosur) in sibling Category:Road transport in South America already. The upmerging will empty Category:Economy of the Mercosur, which was already a redundant layer; it should also be upmerged for now without prejudice (merging instead of deletion for logging purposes). NLeeuw ( talk) 15:25, 16 April 2024 (UTC) reply
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Category:Jewish nobility

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The result of the discussion was: delete. (non-admin closure) Toadette Edit! 17:35, 23 April 2024 (UTC) reply
Nominator's rationale: arbirtrary and irrelevant intersection by ethnicity. I found this category added to Yehudi Menuhin on my watchlist and I'm about to revert it because, while it's true that he was Jewish and that he was a Life peer, the intersection of these facts (especially the latter one) in a category seems more than a little bizarre and "non-defining", because he was by far best known as a violinist. There are probably many other examples just like this one. Graham87 ( talk) 09:39, 8 April 2024 (UTC) reply
Oppose, this is a well-populated category. AHI-3000 ( talk) 17:14, 8 April 2024 (UTC) reply

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  • Delete per nom. Graham87 has a good point that lists allow for context that categories don't. But I am not in favour of listification either, as the net here has evidently been cast far too wide. E.g. someone like James Goldsmith (picked at random) has nothing to do with "nobility". NLeeuw ( talk) 15:38, 16 April 2024 (UTC) reply
  • Delete as per nom. It is another example of a non-useful, mostly meaningless category created by intersecting two unrelated traits. We don't have categories for Christian, Muslim, or Hindu nobility and we shouldn't have one for Jewish nobility either. 220.235.78.155 ( talk) 03:30, 18 April 2024 (UTC) reply
  • Delete per nom and other users. It's a specific category that's already filled within the various subcategories for nobility per nationality. Furthermore, as mentioned above, there is no specific category for other major religions like Christians or Muslims. Clear Looking Glass ( talk) 10:08, 18 April 2024 (UTC) reply
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Category:Canadian military personnel from Kelowna

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Category:Lists of ambassadors to Northern Cyprus

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The result of the discussion was: delete. (non-admin closure) Toadette Edit! 17:32, 23 April 2024 (UTC) reply
Nominator's rationale: Category created just to hold one list. This would be fine if there were multiple lists to file here, but is not necessary for just one -- but given that Northern Cyprus is a disputed territory which is diplomatically recognized only by Turkey, it's impossible to file multiple lists here. The list is already in Category:Ambassadors of Turkey to Northern Cyprus, which is all that's needed in context -- but this category isn't necessary if it will only ever contain one list. Bearcat ( talk) 13:53, 16 April 2024 (UTC) reply
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Category:Public high schools in Chicago suburbs

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The result of the discussion was: delete. (non-admin closure) Toadette Edit! 17:29, 23 April 2024 (UTC) reply
Nominator's rationale: Recreation at a new name of a category previously deleted last year per Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2023 May 25#Category:Public high schools in suburbs of Chicago. Again, the same issue remains as last time: we categorize schools by the places that they're in, but we do not categorize schools by the places that the places they're in happen to be near. Bearcat ( talk) 13:30, 16 April 2024 (UTC) reply
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Category:LGBT-related music

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Category:Songs against capitalism

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Category:Songs against racism and xenophobia

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The result of the discussion was: rename to Category:Songs about racism and xenophobia. (non-admin closure) Toadette Edit! 17:22, 23 April 2024 (UTC) reply
Nominator's rationale: Generally our songs by topic categories are 'about' not 'against'. Ex. Category:Songs about poverty. See also Category:Songs about social issues. I suggest renaming this; the other category that may need similar treatment would be Category:Songs against capitalism (subcat to Category:Songs about consumerism, not Category:Songs against consumerism...). Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 02:25, 16 April 2024 (UTC) reply
  • Rename per nom, for consistency. Marcocapelle ( talk) 04:53, 16 April 2024 (UTC) reply
  • Support renaming. J 1982 ( talk) 10:54, 16 April 2024 (UTC) reply
  • Neutral, as as I said with the songs about/against capitalism nomination, many of these songs have lyrics which are quite clearly critical of racism and/or xenophobia. With the songs about poverty or consumerism, those songs aren’t explicitly against the subject of said topics as much but are more about the topic itself and its effects. Velociraptor888 ( talk) 23:35, 18 April 2024 (UTC) reply
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Category:Dos Santos family (Angolan business family)

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Category:.io video games

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The result of the discussion was: no consensus. (non-admin closure) House Blaster ( talk · he/him) 02:27, 24 April 2024 (UTC) reply
Nominator's rationale: Non-defining trait. This simply indicates that the game in question has it's web hostname in the .io TLD. It is akin to having a category for ".com video games", ".org video games", etc. There is no connection between these games from a developer, publisher, or otherwise manner. -- ferret ( talk) 16:08, 29 March 2024 (UTC) reply

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Category:Recipients of the Padma Shri in literature & education

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April 15

Category:Feminist historians

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Category:Trademark attorneys

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The result of the discussion was: merge all. (non-admin closure) Toadette ( Let's talk together!) 22:30, 22 April 2024 (UTC) reply
Nominator's rationale: Do we really need to make the distinction for what kind of intellectual property law they practice? (With the exception for patent attorneys). Mason ( talk) 20:47, 15 April 2024 (UTC) reply
  • Merge, the articles say they are specializing in intellectual property, broadly. Marcocapelle ( talk) 21:06, 15 April 2024 (UTC) reply
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Category:Canadian criminal lawyers

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Category:Non-binary lesbians

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Category:San Quentin State Prison inmates

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The result of the discussion was: rename to Category:Inmates of San Quentin State Prison. (non-admin closure) Toadette ( Let's talk together!) 22:35, 22 April 2024 (UTC) reply
Nominator's rationale: This is the naming convention for prison inmates. See Category:Inmates of Alcatraz Federal Penitentiary, Category:Inmates of ADX Florence, Category:Inmates of Sing Sing, Category:Inmates of the Marshalsea, Category:Inmates of Sighet prison, Category:Inmates of Pitești prison, etc. The only time the convention is "Category:X inmates" is where X is a ghetto, e.g. Category:Łódź Ghetto inmates. Dennis C. Abrams ( talk) 17:09, 15 April 2024 (UTC) reply
  • Support per nominator's rationale jengod ( talk) 23:29, 19 April 2024 (UTC) reply
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Category:Fictional characters by political orientation

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Category:Pourashavas of Bangladesh

Nominator's rationale: Redundant: "Pourashava" means municipality in Bengali. Bolideleoi ( talk) 14:27, 15 April 2024 (UTC) reply

Category:Students of Ziaur Rahman Azmi

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The result of the discussion was: merge to Category:Sunni Muslim scholars of Islam. (non-admin closure) Toadette ( Let's talk together!) 22:14, 22 April 2024 (UTC) reply
Nominator's rationale: Small category, fails WP:OCASSOC -- wooden superman 13:09, 15 April 2024 (UTC) reply
  • Merge per nom, and "students" categories are used for people who are only notable as a student. Marcocapelle ( talk) 19:35, 15 April 2024 (UTC) reply
    Support per nom and marco. Mason ( talk) 03:34, 18 April 2024 (UTC) reply
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Category:Ziaur Rahman Azmi

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The result of the discussion was: Delete Bengal editor's (duplicate) !vote has been disregarded because they are a sock. * Pppery * it has begun... 00:07, 24 April 2024 (UTC) reply
Nominator's rationale: Per WP:OCEPON: Individual works by a person should not be included in an eponymous category but should instead be in a sub-category such as Category:Novels by Agatha Christie. -- wooden superman 07:52, 15 April 2024 (UTC) reply
Disagree, there can be another category naming that such as Category:Hussain Ahmad Madani and Category:Books by Hussain Ahmad Madani. Bengali editor ( talk) 09:23, 15 April 2024 (UTC) reply
The difference there is that Category:Hussain Ahmad Madani contains other articles which aren't books, thus warranting an WP:EPONCAT, this one doesn't. -- wooden superman 09:37, 15 April 2024 (UTC) reply

References

  1. ^ https://alhidaayah.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/03/Transcript-IDTP-5.pdf
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Category:American Jewish billionaires

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The result of the discussion was: Delete * Pppery * it has begun... 00:07, 24 April 2024 (UTC) reply
Nominator's rationale: I haven't done much editing in categorization recently, so maybe the rules have changed, but this one sure reeks of a WP:OCEGRS problem to me. At the very least, there ought to be community consensus (rather than the actions of a single editor) that this intersection is sufficiently noteworthy and unbiased to merit inclusion; I do not believe it is, certainly not without context. Chubbles ( talk) 07:39, 15 April 2024 (UTC) reply
I also just created Category: American Italian billionaires, which somehow weirdly created another Category:Italian American billionaires category. One of them can be deleted. Amr ibn Kulthoumعمرو بن كلثوم ( talk) 20:05, 21 April 2024 (UTC) reply
  • Delete per WP:OCEGRS. Congrats to all the billionaires of any nationality or ethnicity on your money, please pay your tax bills in full. jengod ( talk) 21:53, 21 April 2024 (UTC) reply
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Category:Neo-Latin writers

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Category:Yemeni scientists by century

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The result of the discussion was: Merge * Pppery * it has begun... 00:07, 24 April 2024 (UTC) reply
Nominator's rationale: Upmerge for now. There is only one century in here, which is unhelpful for navigation Mason ( talk) 04:18, 15 April 2024 (UTC) reply
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Category:Politicians arrested in Yemen

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The result of the discussion was: merge to Category:Prisoners and detainees of Yemen. (non-admin closure) Toadette ( Let's talk together!) 22:22, 22 April 2024 (UTC) reply
Nominator's rationale: Non-defining intersection of occupation and location of arrest. Mason ( talk) 04:12, 15 April 2024 (UTC) reply
  • Merge, we shouldn't have "arrested" categories anyway. Marcocapelle ( talk) 05:34, 15 April 2024 (UTC) reply
  • Merge per nom and Marco. NLeeuw ( talk) 17:42, 15 April 2024 (UTC) reply
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Category:Marching

Nominator's rationale: Purge or reparent. Are pride parades part of military traditions? There's already Category:Military marching and Category:Military marches. -- MikutoH talk! 02:33, 15 April 2024 (UTC) reply

Category:Electronic rock musicians

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Category:Aphex Twin songs

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The result of the discussion was: implement NL's proposal. Namely, rename Category:Aphex Twin songs to Category:Compositions by Aphex Twin, and re-parent to Category:Compositions by composer. Then merge Category:Songs written by Aphex Twin to the newly-renamed Category:Compositions by Aphex Twin. (non-admin closure) House Blaster ( talk · he/him) 04:39, 23 April 2024 (UTC) reply
Nominator's rationale: (Or maybe "Aphex Twin compositions".) Strictly speaking, songs contain singing. Aphex Twin tracks have no singing, or no singing in the traditional sense. For example, it is not really accurate to describe Avril 14, a piano instrumental, as a "song". Popcornfud ( talk) 17:07, 22 March 2024 (UTC) reply
Lean oppose. Don't other categories have non-singing songs in them? I don't think it's helpful for navigation to make the distinction between songs that contain vocal tracks and those that do not. Mason ( talk) 20:26, 22 March 2024 (UTC) reply
Just for clarity, I'm not proposing we create separate tracks for vocal and instrumental Aphex Twin tracks, just keeping a single category and renaming it. (There are very few, if any, Aphex Twins that could really be called "songs" in my view, and I also suspect the habit of calling non-vocal tracks "songs" tends to be an Americanism, but that's probably by the by.) Popcornfud ( talk) 21:14, 22 March 2024 (UTC) reply

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& merge Category:Songs written by Aphex Twin to Category:Compositions by Aphex Twin per Starcheerspeaksnewslostwars. Category:Songs written by Aphex Twin was created 15 January 2016‎; Category:Aphex Twin songs was created 21 October 2007‎, is therefore older, and therefore should be the merge target. This seems to be a comprehensive solution to all issues observed above. NLeeuw ( talk) 14:35, 4 April 2024 (UTC) reply

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Relisting comment: Comments on NL's proposal would be very much appreciated!
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Love it! Mason ( talk) 00:17, 8 April 2024 (UTC) reply
Should I ping the other participants to ask their opinion? They might not have read this, but I don't want to unnecessarily alert people. NLeeuw ( talk) 06:39, 8 April 2024 (UTC) reply
  • This final solution is surely in line with my earlier comments. Marcocapelle ( talk) 17:13, 8 April 2024 (UTC) reply
    @ Marcocapelle Don't you mean 'certainly'? I often see you use the word 'surely' where I expect the word 'certainly'. As far as I know, in English, 'surely' is usually used in a question sentence to someone else, asking them to confirm something you would expect / like them to believe, or to say, or to do / to have done. 'Surely you locked the door, didn't you?' It's like the English equivalent of '...toch zeker wel...?' See the usage notes at https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/surely because [surely] connotes strong affirmation, it is used when the speaker or writer expects to be agreed with. Unlike sure it may be used neutrally—the reader or hearer may or may not agree, and it is often used when the writer is trying to persuade.
    • Surely you must admit that it was a good decision.
    In this case, it's like you're asking yourself whether you agree with your own earlier comments. 'Deze oplossing is toch zeker wel in lijn met mijn eerdere opmerkingen?' There is nobody who can answer that question except for you. NLeeuw ( talk) 06:33, 9 April 2024 (UTC) reply
    • Then my "surely" should be read as "certainly". Happy to improve my English vocabulary. Marcocapelle ( talk) 17:35, 9 April 2024 (UTC) reply
      You're welcome! NLeeuw ( talk) 00:26, 10 April 2024 (UTC) reply

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Relisting comment: ....and I forgot to tag Category:Songs written by Aphex Twin last week. Oops. If there are no further comments by next week, we should be all set for implementing NL's proposal. Apologies for the delay/third relisting.
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Ah no worries HouseBlaster. :) NLeeuw ( talk) 17:47, 15 April 2024 (UTC) reply
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April 14

Category:Category:Overseas Chinese Presidents

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The result of the discussion was: delete ( non-admin closure) House Blaster ( talk · he/him) 22:46, 22 April 2024 (UTC) reply
Nominator's rationale: I think this means 'Politicians of Chinese descent who became President of a country', which seems like too narrow a category. Giant Snowman 15:22, 7 April 2024 (UTC) reply
Merge this category into Category:Politicians of Chinese descent instead. AHI-3000 ( talk) 21:31, 7 April 2024 (UTC) reply

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Relisting comment: merge or delete?
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  • Rename Heads of state of Chinese descent (or Heads of state and heads of government of Chinese descent). 58.152.55.172 ( talk) 09:57, 23 April 2024 (UTC) reply

Category:12th-century French novelists

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The result of the discussion was: merge ( non-admin closure) House Blaster ( talk · he/him) 22:46, 22 April 2024 (UTC) reply
Nominator's rationale: Upmerge for now. The 12th-century novelists category is too small for diffusion by nationality (a.k.a. there's 2 people in the entire tree). Mason ( talk) 23:28, 14 April 2024 (UTC) reply
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Category:Independant Native American countries

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The result of the discussion was: delete ( non-admin closure) House Blaster ( talk · he/him) 22:45, 22 April 2024 (UTC) reply
Nominator's rationale: Or plausibly, just a rename to correct the spelling error. Redundant at best with other categories, the notion of a "country" as we understand it seems dangerously nebulous and unattested in several member articles here. Remsense 诉 22:34, 14 April 2024 (UTC) reply
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Category:Visual artists in late 20th-century Australia

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The result of the discussion was: merge both to Category:20th-century Australian artists. (non-admin closure) House Blaster ( talk · he/him) 13:22, 23 April 2024 (UTC) reply
Nominator's rationale: Can we make these categories more defining? I really don't know what to do with them. Perhaps split by art movement? Mason ( talk) 19:50, 14 April 2024 (UTC) reply
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Category:Food gods

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Category:Canadian mIlitary personnel by city

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The result of the discussion was: speedy renamed as a straightforward spelling error that didn't require debate. Bearcat ( talk) 15:49, 16 April 2024 (UTC) reply
Nominator's rationale: There is a typo in the category name, there should not be a capital I inside "military". ☆ Bri ( talk) 15:54, 14 April 2024 (UTC) reply
  • Rename per WP:C2A, this could have been listed at speedy. Marcocapelle ( talk) 18:33, 14 April 2024 (UTC) reply
  • Speedy rename per WP:C2A. NLeeuw ( talk) 04:41, 16 April 2024 (UTC) reply
  • It's not necessary to take a straightforward spelling error like this to CFD for seven full days of discussion, and this could have been handled as a speedy. Dirty deed already done, dirt cheap. Bearcat ( talk) 15:49, 16 April 2024 (UTC) reply
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Category:Film controversies in Spain

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Category:Dutch cookies

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Category:Rajputana Agency

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Category:Mohave tribe

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Category:Languages with Linglist code

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Category:Beauty goddesses

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The result of the discussion was: keep. (non-admin closure) Toadette ( Let's talk together!) 21:12, 21 April 2024 (UTC) reply
Nominator's rationale: Vague categorization based on "associated with". PepperBeast (talk) 13:58, 6 April 2024 (UTC) reply

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  • Keep Goddesses like Lakshmi are linked with Beauty.-- Redtigerxyz Talk 05:41, 14 April 2024 (UTC) reply
  • Keep This is a rare instance in which association may be WP:DEFINING, as deities are defined by what humans believe about them. As examining what or how deities really are, or if they even exist, is beyond human capacity, human beliefs about what they are, and associations about what they do, need to be central in how we categorise them, as long as associations are not WP:UNDUE. NLeeuw ( talk) 14:50, 14 April 2024 (UTC) reply
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Category:Tigers in Meitei culture

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April 13

Category:NFL marching bands

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The result of the discussion was: rename ( non-admin closure) House Blaster ( talk · he/him) 17:38, 21 April 2024 (UTC) reply
Nominator's rationale: C2C. Trivialist ( talk) 23:13, 13 April 2024 (UTC) reply
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Category:Sovietism

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The result of the discussion was: delete ( non-admin closure) House Blaster ( talk · he/him) 17:41, 21 April 2024 (UTC) reply
Nominator's rationale: As category statute itself states, "Articles relating to Sovietisms, the neologisms and cliches in the Russian language of the epoch of the Soviet Union." But this is perfectly covered by Category:Soviet phraseology, for the first. For the second, someone included into it the categories Neo-Sovietism‎ (3 C, 32 P) Stalinism‎ (16 C, 112 P)
whicxh have nothing to do with " neologisms and cliches in the Russian language". - Altenmann >talk 22:36, 13 April 2024 (UTC) reply
  • Delete per nom, or possibly convert to a soft redirect. Marcocapelle ( talk) 05:39, 14 April 2024 (UTC) reply
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Category:Intersex lesbians

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Category:Indian Paintbrush (company) films

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Category:Rocky (film series)

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The result of the discussion was: rename ( non-admin closure) House Blaster ( talk · he/him) 17:43, 21 April 2024 (UTC) reply
Nominator's rationale: C2D per Rocky (franchise). Charles Essie ( talk) 21:13, 13 April 2024 (UTC) reply
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Category:19th-century Roman Catholic church buildings in New Caledonia

Nominator's rationale: Broaden this category to include 19th-century churches of all denominations. There are only two pages in here, and 4 total in the entire Roman Catholic churches in New Caledonia Mason ( talk) 23:02, 26 March 2024 (UTC) reply
  • Both the rename and the merge proposal are keeping the content in the tree of the the dependent territory, so this is not a reason to oppose. Marcocapelle ( talk) 20:22, 27 March 2024 (UTC) reply
  • In that case either keep as it is, or, less preferably, keep a big tent category for Roman Catholic churches of all collectivités d'outre-mer along with the sole pays d'outre-mer and the collectivité sui generis. 61.244.93.97 ( talk) 09:27, 28 March 2024 (UTC) reply
  • I countered your argument in my previous reply. Then it does not make sense to repeat your "keep" without any new argument. Marcocapelle ( talk) 22:57, 28 March 2024 (UTC) reply
    FYI to the closer this IP is probably WP:LTA/HKGW Mason ( talk) 02:07, 3 April 2024 (UTC) reply

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  • Marcocapelle you didn't have a single word on the big-tent proposal on a category for all collectivités d'outre-mer, the pays d'outre-mer and the collectivité sui generis. What's your take? (...are keeping the content in the tree of the the dependent territory... And no I don't mean generally the tree under Category:Dependent territories but Category:19th-century Roman Catholic church buildings by dependent territory specifically.) 61.244.93.97 ( talk) 08:11, 7 April 2024 (UTC) reply

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@ Marcocapelle, @ Mason, any compromise here? —  Qwerfjkl talk 17:37, 22 April 2024 (UTC) reply

Category:Films set in the Rajput Empire

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The result of the discussion was: rename ( non-admin closure) House Blaster ( talk · he/him) 17:40, 21 April 2024 (UTC) reply
Nominator's rationale: rename, the category contains films set in various Rajput kingdoms, e.g. the kingdom of Mewar. Marcocapelle ( talk) 20:00, 13 April 2024 (UTC) reply
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Category:Scholars of Greek language

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Category:Arab gangs

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The result of the discussion was: rename ( non-admin closure) Qwerfjkl talk 17:39, 22 April 2024 (UTC) reply
Nominator's rationale: rename, these are Lebanese mafia gangs. Arab is inaccurate, since many Lebanese people do not identify as Arab. Marcocapelle ( talk) 10:14, 5 April 2024 (UTC) reply
Oppose, because I think this category should be kept so that Category:Arab gangs can be merged into it. AHI-3000 ( talk) 21:35, 7 April 2024 (UTC) reply
Wait, what? You want Category:Arab gangs to merged into itself? NLeeuw ( talk) 07:32, 11 April 2024 (UTC) reply

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  • support that the name is bad, but caveat: it should not only be renamed, but recategorized as well, because "Gangs" and "mafia" are different category trees. - Altenmann >talk 22:44, 13 April 2024 (UTC) reply
  • Speedy rename per WP:C2D. Main article is Lebanese mafia. NLeeuw ( talk) 19:48, 19 April 2024 (UTC) reply
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Category:Companies that operate fighter jets

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The result of the discussion was: rename to Category:Fighter aircraft operators. (non-admin closure) Qwerfjkl talk 17:41, 22 April 2024 (UTC) reply
Nominator's rationale: Not sure whether this is an appropriate category, but if so it should align with Category:Fighter aircraft. – Fayenatic London 11:25, 5 April 2024 (UTC) reply
Support I think it's okay to standardize this on "aircraft" instead of "jets". I'm unaware of any companies that currently operate fighters with propellers at a similar scale. Edward Sandstig ( talk) 12:14, 5 April 2024 (UTC) reply

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Category:Studies of right-wing politics

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Category:Paleontology portal

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The result of the discussion was: keep Category:Paleontology portal. Merge Category:Paleontology portals to Category:Biology portals and Category:History portals. (non-admin closure) Qwerfjkl talk 17:48, 22 April 2024 (UTC) reply
Nominator's rationale: These seem to effectively be a duplicate category. I'm bringing the category here in case I'm missing something obvious Mason ( talk) 01:39, 26 March 2024 (UTC) reply

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Category:Rajput era

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The result of the discussion was: delete ( non-admin closure) House Blaster ( talk · he/him) 17:45, 21 April 2024 (UTC) reply
Nominator's rationale: delete, not a defining characteristic of the articles in the category. In fact the category is quite a hodgepodge of unrelated articles. Marcocapelle ( talk) 19:13, 13 April 2024 (UTC) reply
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Category:Volvo Open Cup

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The result of the discussion was: upmerge. (non-admin closure) Qwerfjkl talk 17:49, 22 April 2024 (UTC) reply
Nominator's rationale: Unhelpful category, as it contains only one article. Bgsu98 (Talk) 18:41, 13 April 2024 (UTC) reply
Comment. It contains two pages now. If not kept, it should be merged to the relevant parent categories, rather than deleted. Mason ( talk) 21:10, 13 April 2024 (UTC) reply
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Category:Women's firsts

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The result of the discussion was: keep. If OP wishes to pursue this nomination further, they are welcome to renominate while tagging all of the categories ( User:Qwerfjkl/scripts/massCFD can help with that) and presenting a substantive reason for deletion. (non-admin closure) House Blaster ( talk · he/him) 17:47, 21 April 2024 (UTC) reply
Nominator's rationale: Created by a user who was indefinitely blocked for disruptive behavior. Векочел ( talk) 16:58, 13 April 2024 (UTC) reply
  • Procedural close. The nominator makes no valid argument for deletion. The editor in question was not evading a ban at the time their account was created; the fact that they were deemed disruptive seven months after they created the category is wholly irrelevant. ——Serial Number 54129 17:16, 13 April 2024 (UTC) reply
  • Keep/Comment. most of these nominations are not tagged. Further, I don't think this is a good reason to nominate a category. These categories seem defining to me as many first female FOO are described as such in the lead. If not kept, the categories should be merged to the relevant women/female occupation categories. Mason ( talk) 21:08, 13 April 2024 (UTC) reply
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Category:First Nations drawing artists

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Category:1950s in Ajmer

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The result of the discussion was: merge ( non-admin closure) House Blaster ( talk · he/him) 17:39, 21 April 2024 (UTC) reply
Nominator's rationale: merge, Ajmer State only existed for six years, so there is no need for diffusion by century or decade. Marcocapelle ( talk) 15:11, 13 April 2024 (UTC) reply
Support per nom. Mason ( talk) 21:10, 13 April 2024 (UTC) reply
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Category:Districts of India by name

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The result of the discussion was: rename to Category:Wikipedia categories named after districts of India and make hidden. (non-admin closure) House Blaster ( talk · he/him) 17:48, 21 April 2024 (UTC) reply
Nominator's rationale: delete, "by name" is not diffusing anything. In theory the category should be merged to Category:Districts of India but the content is already in that target's subcategories. Marcocapelle ( talk) 14:52, 13 April 2024 (UTC) reply
  • Ok, it is not clear to me what purpose this has, but let's then just apply this existing convention. Marcocapelle ( talk) 10:22, 20 April 2024 (UTC) reply
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17th and 18th century in the Mughal Empire

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Category:German pies

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The result of the discussion was: delete ( non-admin closure) House Blaster ( talk · he/him) 17:39, 21 April 2024 (UTC) reply
Nominator's rationale: There is no concept of "pie" in Germany other than as something imported from Britain or the US, compare de:Pie. Calling these particular German Kuchen "pies" is WP:SYNTH original research. See discussion at Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Germany#Zwetschgenkuchen. — Kusma ( talk) 13:24, 13 April 2024 (UTC) reply
There is a corresponding template, compare Wikipedia:Templates_for_discussion/Log/2024_April_13#Template:German_pies. — Kusma ( talk) 13:25, 13 April 2024 (UTC) reply
  • Delete, the three articles are already in Category:German cakes which is a better place for them. Marcocapelle ( talk) 13:38, 13 April 2024 (UTC) reply
  • Delete; agree with Kusma that the concept of pie (as a separate category of food from cake) seems to have no meaning in German cuisine. Valereee ( talk) 14:43, 13 April 2024 (UTC) reply
  • Delete per nom, Marco and Valereee. NLeeuw ( talk) 03:17, 14 April 2024 (UTC) reply
  • Delete. Agreed, there is no such thing as pies in German cuisine, and all three of the entries listed here are cakes, not pies. Ejgreen77 ( talk) 20:19, 14 April 2024 (UTC) reply
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Category:Battles involving the Pratihara Empire

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The result of the discussion was: dual merge to Category:Wars involving the Pratihara Empire and Category:Battles involving the Indian kingdoms. (non-admin closure) House Blaster ( talk · he/him) 23:05, 23 April 2024 (UTC) reply
Nominator's rationale: merge for now, currently just one article in the category, without objection to recreate the category when some more articles are available. Marcocapelle ( talk) 08:31, 13 April 2024 (UTC) reply
  • Dual upmerge for now without prejudice per nom. NLeeuw ( talk) 03:18, 14 April 2024 (UTC) reply
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Category:1940s jazz album stubs

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The result of the discussion was: Merge the categories but Keep the templates. * Pppery * it has begun... 00:05, 24 April 2024 (UTC) reply
Nominator's rationale: The templates, {{ 1940s-jazz-album-stub}} and {{ 2020s-jazz-album-stub}}, were created a year ago without being proposed at WP:WSS/P. With very few articles to populate the categories, I notified the creator and upmerged the templates, negating the need for these two categories. The categories were recently recreated (without any proposal) but still only contain 2 and 5 articles. The templates should either be upmerged again or outright deleted due to the low number of candidates, but there is no need yet for the categories. Starcheerspeaksnewslostwars Talk to me 07:00, 13 April 2024 (UTC) reply
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Category:Battles involving Bengal

Nominator's rationale: merge, battles are diffused by (former) countries and Bengal was not a country. Marcocapelle ( talk) 06:52, 13 April 2024 (UTC) reply
  • Ok that is a reasonable alternative, but then still the content should be added to Category:Battles involving the Indian kingdoms too. Marcocapelle ( talk) 12:29, 13 April 2024 (UTC) reply
    • @ Marcocapelle: it should only be a selective merge to that parent, because many of the articles are already in other subcats of that one, and I'm not sure whether the others belong there. I suggest you watch the category and merge any valid missing items yourself if the rename goes through. – Fayenatic London 15:15, 20 April 2024 (UTC) reply


Category:Warsaw Veterinary Institute alumni

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The result of the discussion was: delete ( non-admin closure) House Blaster ( talk · he/him) 17:39, 21 April 2024 (UTC) reply
Nominator's rationale: Upmerge for now. Do we really need such a deep category tree for a single alumnus? Neither of the institutions have wikipedia pages Don State Agrarian University, Warsaw Veterinary Institute. Mason ( talk) 04:27, 13 April 2024 (UTC) reply
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Category:United States Sports Academy

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The result of the discussion was: delete ( non-admin closure) House Blaster ( talk · he/him) 17:38, 21 April 2024 (UTC) reply
Nominator's rationale: These categories only have the eponymous article in it and the logo of the college. In theory, upmerge for now, but in reality, delete because the page is already categorized. Mason ( talk) 04:13, 13 April 2024 (UTC) reply
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15 to 21 days old

April 12

Native American artists by gender

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Category:United Center

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The result of the discussion was: delete ( non-admin closure) House Blaster ( talk · he/him) 18:41, 20 April 2024 (UTC) reply
Nominator's rationale: WP:OCEPON. Tagged by Namiba on February 4 but not listed. * Pppery * it has begun... 21:21, 12 April 2024 (UTC) reply
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Category:Serer presidents

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The result of the discussion was: merge ( non-admin closure) Qwerfjkl talk 20:46, 21 April 2024 (UTC) reply
Nominator's rationale: I don't think we should be diffusing at the intersection of ethnicity and specific political office. Also as a follow up to Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2023_November_30#Category:Serer_jurists Mason ( talk) 21:05, 12 April 2024 (UTC) reply
Oppose: Senegal has had 5 presidents since independence. 3 of those 5 were Serers as the cat clearly shows. The 4th had a Serer mother and a Serer wife. And we have not even accounted for Gambia and Mauritania where the Serer people are also found. I think this cat is pretty useful to the general reader and has great potential. There is no policy that I know of that states we can't do that. If that's the case, then there is no point in having cats for ethnicities and nationalities e.g. English actors, Scottish actors, etc.... Tamsier ( talk) 02:00, 13 April 2024 (UTC) reply
But how does it meet the criteria for defining intersection, under WP:EGRS/IThat's the policy that this category doesn't meet the keep criteria for. Your arguments don't address the lack of defining intersection. Comparing this category to English actors is not comparable. We don't have English presidents, but we do have English politicians. Mason ( talk) 21:27, 13 April 2024 (UTC) reply
  • Merge per WP:OCEGRS. Marcocapelle ( talk) 08:42, 13 April 2024 (UTC) reply
    Cat:Serer presidents is implemented in order to split cat:Serer people - which is permitted by OCEGRS. It helps us split notable Serers into their profession rather than lumping them all into the Cat:Serer people. To do that, would overload Cat:Serer people and would not help the reader at all. In fact, most notable Serers have not been added to this Cat for exactly that reason. The cat:Serer people should only contain Serer people, Saafi people, Niominka people, Serer-Laalaa, Ndut people, Palor people, etc., in the main Cat, and then sub cats for Serer people based on their profession. In my view, this would be more useful and helpful to the reader. Tamsier ( talk) 14:03, 13 April 2024 (UTC) reply
    But it isn't helping diffuse Serer people. It's a subcategory of Serer politicians. Mason ( talk) 21:22, 13 April 2024 (UTC) reply
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Category:Categories needing manual work before deletion

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The result of the discussion was: rename ( non-admin closure) Qwerfjkl talk 20:47, 21 April 2024 (UTC) reply
Nominator's rationale: not all categories here will be deleted; some are just being purged. House Blaster ( talk · he/him) 20:35, 12 April 2024 (UTC) reply
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Category:Serer cardinals

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The result of the discussion was: merge ( non-admin closure) Qwerfjkl talk 20:47, 21 April 2024 (UTC) reply
Nominator's rationale: Upmerge for now. There's only one cardinal that meets this criteria, which is unhelpful for navigation. If not merged, I think we should broaden the category to clergy or religious workers. Mason ( talk) 19:27, 12 April 2024 (UTC) reply
Oppose: In Senegal and Gambia, but especially Senegal were the Serer are the third largest ethnic group, this community constitute the majority of the Christian community. I get your argument, but I truly believe this category is extremely helpful, and would provide even greater help to the reader in the future. There are more people that could potentially be added to this cat. I therefore urge the community to give it time and keep it as is. Tamsier ( talk) 20:23, 12 April 2024 (UTC) reply
What other cardinals can be added? It's been 10 years since the category was created. I feel like that's more than enough time. And if sufficiently more people exist, those categories can be created again. Relevant: CFD that ended with deletion. Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2023 November 30#Category:Serer jurists Mason ( talk) 21:08, 12 April 2024 (UTC) reply
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Category:Egyptian Football League clubs

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The result of the discussion was: rename ( non-admin closure) House Blaster ( talk · he/him) 18:40, 20 April 2024 (UTC) reply
Nominator's rationale: To match parent article and category, Egyptian Premier League. Ben5218 ( talk) 18:25, 12 April 2024 (UTC) reply
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Category:Original programming

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The result of the discussion was: merge to Category:Television shows. (non-admin closure) House Blaster ( talk · he/him) 17:37, 21 April 2024 (UTC) reply
Nominator's rationale: Redundant category. Although we do use the "original programming" wording in for "television programs by network" categories, that's only because we want television programs to be categorized only for the service they were actually original to, and not for services that picked up rebroadcast rights -- for instance, a show that is original to NBC in the United States would be catted as NBC original programming, but would not get categorized for its rebroadcast by CTV in Canada, ITV in the UK or Seven in Australia.
But literally by definition, every television program is "original" to some television service or other -- a television program can't exist at all without being "original" to some television channel, network or streaming platform -- which just makes this functionally indistinguishable from Category:Television programming. Bearcat ( talk) 18:01, 12 April 2024 (UTC) reply
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Category:2023 farm sims

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The result of the discussion was: merge ( non-admin closure) House Blaster ( talk · he/him) 16:50, 19 April 2024 (UTC) reply
Nominator's rationale: Overcategorization by intersection of unrelated characteristics. Category:Farming video games does not have any scheme of subcategorizing its contents by individual year of release, and the Category:Video games by year tree doesn't have any established scheme of subcategorizing games for the intersection of genre with year of release either -- so this is the only category of this type that exists at all, but special treatment isn't necessary for just four games.
All four games have been left in the 2023 video games parent alongside this, so no upmerging is necessary in that direction. Bearcat ( talk) 16:36, 12 April 2024 (UTC) reply
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Category:Wikipedia community campaigns

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The result of the discussion was: rename to Category:Wikimedia community projects. (non-admin closure) House Blaster ( talk · he/him) 13:16, 23 April 2024 (UTC) reply
Nominator's rationale: I recently made this category and it does not have broad use. The better name is "Wikimedia community project" because Wikimedia community project (Q56248902) already has some use in Wikidata, and it is the same concept. Bluerasberry (talk) 13:09, 12 April 2024 (UTC) reply
@ Marcocapelle and HouseBlaster: The plural is correct and singular is an error. Yes I support. Bluerasberry (talk) 07:49, 23 April 2024 (UTC) reply
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Category:Politicians of the Second Polish Republic

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Politicians of the Korean Empire

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Category:Politicians of the Kingdom of the Two Sicilies

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The result of the discussion was: manual merge. (non-admin closure) Qwerfjkl talk 20:52, 21 April 2024 (UTC) reply
Nominator's rationale: Manual merge to parents as appropriate. E.g. although the lede for Ferdinando Petruccelli della Gattina says he was a politician, he seems rather to have been a journalist. If not merged, then rename to Category:Politicians from the Kingdom of the Two Sicilies using "from" as above. – Fayenatic London 15:26, 12 April 2024 (UTC) reply
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Category:Politicians of the Democratic Republic of Afghanistan

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Category:Hosts of the CCTV New Year's Gala

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The result of the discussion was: delete ( non-admin closure) House Blaster ( talk · he/him) 16:49, 19 April 2024 (UTC) reply
Nominator's rationale: WP:PERFCAT -- wooden superman 11:10, 12 April 2024 (UTC) reply
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Category:Sesame Street crew

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The result of the discussion was: delete ( non-admin closure) House Blaster ( talk · he/him) 16:49, 19 April 2024 (UTC) reply
Nominator's rationale: Cast and crew fail WP:PERFCAT. -- wooden superman 09:59, 12 April 2024 (UTC) reply
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Category:Muppet performers

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Category:Star Wars: Knights of the Old Republic developers

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The result of the discussion was: delete ( non-admin closure) House Blaster ( talk · he/him) 16:49, 19 April 2024 (UTC) reply
Nominator's rationale: Categorising by specific production follows the same logic as WP:PERFCAT. Category:Video game developers is sufficient. -- wooden superman 09:42, 12 April 2024 (UTC) reply
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Category:Fallout (series) developers

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The result of the discussion was: delete ( non-admin closure) House Blaster ( talk · he/him) 16:49, 19 April 2024 (UTC) reply
Nominator's rationale: Categorising by specific production follows the same logic as WP:PERFCAT. Category:Video game developers is sufficient. -- wooden superman 09:41, 12 April 2024 (UTC) reply
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Category:Children of Humayun Ahmed

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The result of the discussion was: merge ( non-admin closure) House Blaster ( talk · he/him) 16:49, 19 April 2024 (UTC) reply
Nominator's rationale: WP:NOTINHERITED. Nearly all the other entries in Category:Children by person are historical/dynastic. -- wooden superman 07:52, 12 April 2024 (UTC) reply
  • Merge, while I am not sure how WP:NOTINHERITED would apply here, it is not worth keeping this category with only two entries, this is not helpful for navigation. Marcocapelle ( talk) 16:13, 12 April 2024 (UTC) reply
    My understanding is that if notability is not inherited, then categorisation in this manner is not defining. -- wooden superman 17:09, 12 April 2024 (UTC) reply
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Lighthouses

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The result of the discussion was: Merge * Pppery * it has begun... 00:04, 24 April 2024 (UTC) reply
Nominator's rationale: merge, isolated year categories. Marcocapelle ( talk) 07:15, 12 April 2024 (UTC) reply
  • This nomination would surreptitiously empty "transport infrastructure" year categories (see Category:Transport infrastructure by year of completion). If a nomination would empty a differently-named layer, then it would be good practice to tag and list those categories. In this case, however, since Lighthouses are part of the Transport infrastructure hierarchy, merge but use "transport infrastructure" year categories as the second target in each case, rather than "infrastructure". – Fayenatic London 09:32, 13 April 2024 (UTC) reply
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Category:Mayor and cabinet executives

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The result of the discussion was: rename ( non-admin closure) House Blaster ( talk · he/him) 16:49, 19 April 2024 (UTC) reply
Nominator's rationale: rename per actual content, the category does not contain articles about mayors but instead articles about local authorities. Marcocapelle ( talk) 07:03, 12 April 2024 (UTC) reply
  • Support, the new name would certainly help reflect the existing content. -- Zanimum ( talk) 23:05, 16 April 2024 (UTC) reply
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Category:Wikipedians who reject a sexual preference label

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Category:Fraggle Rock albums

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The result of the discussion was: merge ( non-admin closure) House Blaster ( talk · he/him) 18:39, 20 April 2024 (UTC) reply
Nominator's rationale: Only contains one article, this is the only category that it makes sense to merge to. (Oinkers42) ( talk) 02:57, 12 April 2024 (UTC) reply
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Category:Children of princesses regnant

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The result of the discussion was: merge to Category:Princesses regnant. (non-admin closure) House Blaster ( talk · he/him) 18:39, 20 April 2024 (UTC) reply
Nominator's rationale: Aside from sons and daughters, I think no other subcategories are expected any time soon. That makes this a redundant layer to be dual-upmerged for now without prejudice. NLeeuw ( talk) 01:13, 12 April 2024 (UTC) reply
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Category:American politicians who are the sole member of their party in statewide office

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The result of the discussion was: delete. Before I get to the analysis of how I reached a "delete" outcome, I want to say that this is one of the nastiest discussions I have seen in a while. Comments about editors (to arbitrarily pick one example, Editors insisting that this category is completely arbitrary is eyeroll-worthy) can easily be rephrased without attacking other editors (such as The idea that this category is completely arbitrary is eyeroll-worthy; this is not to say that is a particularly strong argument, but it is certainly stronger than attacking good-faith contributors).

Numerically this is a wash, with five editors supporting deletion to three editors wishing to keep the category. While discussions on Wikipedia are not votes, the head count is not completely irrelevant either. However, as was pointed out, some very blatant canvassing has taken place ( 1, 2, 3, 4). Discarding BottleOfChocolateMilk's !vote, which was directly canvased at their talk page, we have five editors who support deletion to two editors who support keeping the category.

To overcome such numbers, the arguments in favor of keeping the category must be fairly strong. Supporters of keeping the category pointed to reliable sources which used "only statewide elected elected official of a given party" as descriptor of given politicians. People supporting deletion countered by saying they are trivial, arbitrary characteristics. Neither argument is particularly stronger than the other, so as closer it would be supervoting to close as keep in the face of more than 2:1 opposition.

As always, I welcome questions/comments/concerns about this close (or anything I have done in general!) at my talk page. (non-admin closure) House Blaster ( talk · he/him) 18:38, 20 April 2024 (UTC) reply

Nominator's rationale: Wikipedia:Overcategorization as non-defining, trivial, narrow, possibly others. This category is also temporary. If a Republican wins in Maine's 2nd congressional district this fall, then Susan Collins no longer qualifies. If Mary Peltola or Jon Tester lose reelection, they no longer qualify. Joe Manchin isn't running for reelection, so he comes out when his term expires. Also, as noted in the category, this can be incomplete or inaccurate as state supreme court justices are not always partisan, but they may be members of parties. –  Muboshgu ( talk) 00:56, 12 April 2024 (UTC) reply
  • Delete per nom. One might just as well create a Category:American politicians who like eating chips, live on the 3rd floor and are named Kyle. NLeeuw ( talk) 01:16, 12 April 2024 (UTC) reply
  • Delete per nom. Marcocapelle ( talk) 06:05, 12 April 2024 (UTC) reply
  • Keep Pretty much every complaint listed here is arbitrary, subjective and baseless. This is a key measure of partisanship and political party strength. It is relevant to understanding the electoral geography of the United States. Yes, circumstances will change with the occurrence of elections and require the page to be updated. That can be done easily and promptly. You have apparently invented your own rule requiring categories to be permanently included on pages. There are plenty of categories which require people to be "current" in holding a position. (Although your Maine example is obviously mistaken, considering the fact that the congressional district is not a statewide office, the Alaska and WV examples are true, but not a valid reason for deletion). The potato chip analogy is intellectually insulting - you are arguing that this key measure of partisanship in states is as relevant as someone's snack food preferences? With all due respect, that is ridiculous. The supreme court justice caveat is merely an acknowledgement that the affiliation of some offices cannot be reliably or consistently sourced. Warning editors against making baseless assumptions does not mean that the category is invalid. 1Matt20 (talk) 18:00, 12 April 2024 (UTC) reply
    • Just wanted to add Category:Current elections as one of many examples proving that there is no prohibition whatsoever on so-called "temporary" categories. Also, look at the tables on each of the pages included in Category:Political party strength in the United States by state. How is that strength measured? By color coding, letting the reader know when members of political parties last held statewide office or legislative control. This category isolates that information, leading the reader from a page about an individual politician to broader knowledge of ideological trends and electoral geography. 1Matt20 (talk) 18:23, 12 April 2024 (UTC) reply
      Category:Current elections is a maintenance category populated by {{ Current election}}. Category:Political party strength in the United States by state is a category of pages on political party strength, and while that strength changes, the pages in the category won't. Legit point on my error on Susan Collins. A Republican governor or senator elected in Maine would remove her from this category, though. That makes this non-defining for the politicians in the category for sure, as well as possibly other forms of overcategorization as listed on that page. So there's nothing "arbitrary, subjective, or baseless" about my nom. –  Muboshgu ( talk) 18:31, 12 April 2024 (UTC) reply
      You have restated your personal belief that having to eventually remove a page from a category makes it non-defining. You are unable to actually point me to a categorization rule which requires every category to be binding forever. Wikipedia is edited responsively to reflect current events, and I can assure you I will keep this category updated to the occurrence of elections. You are unable to respond to my rebuttal that the supreme court justice caveat merely asks editors to not make unsourced assumptions based on the party of governors who appointed justices. Finally, before I created this category, other editors had already noted the politicians included as the sole remaining officeholders of their parties (quite prominently, on the intros of bio pages). Because that will change one day, must it be considered utterly irrelevant information on Wikipedia? 1Matt20 ( talk) 18:46, 12 April 2024 (UTC) reply
      Delete per nom. I think it is an arbcat and it isn't a defining characteristic for the people in the category. This seems arbitrary. Why not two office holders? Why not zero? Mason ( talk) 21:14, 12 April 2024 (UTC) reply
      I am having a very difficult time wrapping my head around this mentality. If there is only one statewide officeholder from a political party, it is an clear sign of ideological domination and resource disparity. How on earth is that a meaningless consideration? Saying "Why not zero?" is pure sophistry. 1Matt20 ( talk) 21:19, 12 April 2024 (UTC) reply
      I'd like to delve specifically into what WP:ARBITRARYCAT uses as examples: Top 7% test scores, 100th episodes. These are indeed random markers - they don't tell you anything. If there is only one member of a political party left in statewide office, that is plainly informative about the state's partisan lean. It is notable because it is the most glaring signal possible of an officeholder's resistance to trends - they are unusually popular, their views don't reflect their party's typical base, etc. Hence why a person's status as final statewide officeholder is frequently cited in Wikipedia biographies as well as in the media. 1Matt20 ( talk) 22:23, 12 April 2024 (UTC) reply
      Do you have examples of person's status as final statewide officeholder being used as defining characteristic of the person? Because I really don't see how this is defining for the person. I think it's defining for the office or the party, but not the person. Mason ( talk) 21:21, 13 April 2024 (UTC) reply
      You are conjuring mutual exclusivity out of thin air. It is defining for the party, the office, and especially for the person - the individual whose name is actually on the ballot, whose unique public identity allows them to be the only statewide official from their party, resisting headwinds of power balance in their state.
      I could go on and on with examples: Joe Manchin criticizes his party's incumbent president at an unusual rate and openly flirted with third-party registration. Mary Peltola votes against her party 12% of the time, the fourth highest of her colleagues, compared with just 6% defection rate by the average House Democrat. Susan Collins was the only Republican senator to vote against confirming Amy Coney Barrett to the Supreme Court. Although he is a Democrat, Brian Gaines was appointed Comptroller of South Carolina by a Republican in order to move the office on from a corruption scandal. Are you noticing a pattern yet? If you're the only statewide representative of your party left, you are incentivized to be a "maverick."
      I expect you or the others on this thread to somehow contort each example into "not applying to the person." You are all making distinctions without differences, just arbitrarily splitting hairs at the cost of a category which streamlines comprehension of US political strategy and electoral geography. This perspective is baffling to me: "A holdout who defies the odds to be rewarded by the electorate for their unique image? Oh, that doesn't possibly mean anything." 1Matt20 ( talk) 00:03, 14 April 2024 (UTC) reply
  • Keep as a less temporal version of Category:American politicians who are the most recent member of their party to hold statewide office. This category is widely discussed in mainstream reliable sources (though not by this specific name), as "maverick" politicians usually have outsize impact on American politics. -- Habst ( talk) 17:06, 17 April 2024 (UTC) reply
    Alternative to deletion: split into two separate categories, Category:Sole Democrats in Republican-majority U.S. states and Category:Sole Republicans in Democratic-majority U.S. states, with further explanation in the category pages. -- Habst ( talk) 17:13, 17 April 2024 (UTC) reply
But why? BottleOfChocolateMilk ( talk) 17:16, 17 April 2024 (UTC) reply
  • Keep Editors insisting that this category is completely arbitrary is eyeroll-worthy. If someone is the one and only member of their party holding statewide office in their state, that is very plainly noteworthy. News coverage of such officeholders frequently mention their status as the only Democrat/Republican holding statewide office in their state; see news coverage of Nicole Galloway, Nikki Fried, Rob Sand, Kim Wyman, etc. BottleOfChocolateMilk ( talk) 17:16, 17 April 2024 (UTC) reply
    Trivia is not defining. To use one example, the fact that Susan Collins is temporarily the only Republican elected to a statewide office does not define her. At various times during her career in the Senate, fellow Republicans Paul LePage and Olympia Snowe were also elected to statewide office. Her temporary status as the only statewide elected Republican is non-defining.-- User:Namiba 17:37, 19 April 2024 (UTC) reply
  • Delete as arbitrary and temporary. Susan Collins is far from being the only Republican to have served in statewide office in Maine. This category is a classic example of WP:PRESENTISM.-- User:Namiba 19:00, 17 April 2024 (UTC) reply
    You are completely mistaken about what the category means. It is for politicians who are CURRENTLY the only statewide officeholder. 1Matt20 ( talk) 19:02, 17 April 2024 (UTC) reply
    Wikipedia:Don't bludgeon the process. WP:BADGERING editors doesn't enhance your cause. I believe that this category should be deleted.-- User:Namiba 19:14, 17 April 2024 (UTC) reply
    I am simply responding to you. You'd be right if the category was named "American politicians who are the only member of their party to ever serve in statewide office." That is not the name, and therefore not the meaning. You are entitled to your belief and vote, even if it is based on a misinterpretation. I am entitled to respectfully engage until the discussion is closed. 1Matt20 ( talk) 19:17, 17 April 2024 (UTC) reply
  • Comment: Canvassed by 1Matt20 at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Politics [7] and Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Biography [8] (and also User talk:Tom.Reding and User talk:BottleOfChocolateMilk) with appeal for Keep votes, some description of arguments for deletion, and The Delete voters have been largely unresponsive, and even when they do respond, have been argumentatively selective and engage in sophistry. NebY ( talk) 19:13, 17 April 2024 (UTC) reply
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Category:American Football (band)

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The result of the discussion was: withdrawn. (non-admin closure) Queen of Hearts 06:10, 12 April 2024 (UTC) reply
Nominator's rationale: User:JDBauby just added all the albums into this category and that is not helpful for navigation. This should be deleted, the albums kept in their appropriate album-related categories and band members put into Category:American Football (band) members, leaving this main category too small to exist. ― Justin (koavf)❤ T☮ C☺ M☯ 08:21, 4 April 2024 (UTC) reply
if everything was organised (albums -> discography, members -> band members, etc.), would it not be good to have a master category that held all of these subcategories? JDBauby ( talk) 08:25, 4 April 2024 (UTC) reply
  • Cleaned it up a bit. Three subcats (albums, songs, members) plus a discography page have been enough to keep such eponymous parent cats in the past. Starcheerspeaksnewslostwars Talk to me 22:38, 4 April 2024 (UTC) reply
    Withdrawn Per above: three legit categories and three legit articles in the main category is the bare minimum. ― Justin (koavf)❤ T☮ C☺ M☯ 03:03, 12 April 2024 (UTC) reply

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Category:American insect pathologists

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The result of the discussion was: triple merge to all of the targets suggested. (non-admin closure) Qwerfjkl talk 20:54, 21 April 2024 (UTC) reply
Nominator's rationale: Dual upmerge. There are only two people in this category, which isn't helpful for navigation. Especially, when these are the only two pages in the Insect pathologists tree Mason ( talk) 00:30, 4 April 2024 (UTC) reply

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
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Either of the Merge targets that Marcocapelle has proposed are fine with me Mason ( talk) 21:21, 13 April 2024 (UTC) reply
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Category:Canadian people of Arab descent

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The result of the discussion was: merge as unopposed. (non-admin closure) Queen of ♡ | speak 03:25, 19 April 2024 (UTC) reply
Nominator's rationale: merge, the content of this category is not only about ethnic Arabs but also about all sorts of other ethnic groups in the Middle East (Coptic, Assyrian etc.), to such an extent that it almost resembles the Middle East category. Marcocapelle ( talk) 21:19, 11 April 2024 (UTC) reply
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Category:Wikipedians whose articles for creation was denied

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The result of the discussion was: delete ( non-admin closure) House Blaster ( talk · he/him) 01:45, 19 April 2024 (UTC) reply
Nominator's rationale: Fails WP:USERCAT for lacking any discernible collaborative function. * Pppery * it has begun... 20:15, 11 April 2024 (UTC) reply
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Category:Wikipedians who never listen to country music

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The result of the discussion was: delete ( non-admin closure) House Blaster ( talk · he/him) 01:45, 19 April 2024 (UTC) reply
Nominator's rationale: WP:OC/U#not-based * Pppery * it has begun... 20:15, 11 April 2024 (UTC) reply
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Category:Wikipedians who have been abducted by Thebiguglyalien

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The result of the discussion was: speedy delete per WP:G7. (non-admin closure) Queen of Hearts 23:58, 11 April 2024 (UTC) reply
Nominator's rationale: WP:OC/U#jokes WP:OC/U#Personal userspace categories. I hope you enjoyed April Fools Day 2024 everyone (I didn't, because it keeps leaving messes I have to clean up), but there's no reason for this category's continued existence. * Pppery * it has begun... 19:51, 11 April 2024 (UTC) reply
  • Delete per nom, but don't take this as G7, as I created to fix a redlink. Courtesy ping: Sawyer-mcdonell, who was the first to add this to his userpage. Queen of Hearts 20:06, 11 April 2024 (UTC) reply
    fine with me ... sawyer * he/they * talk 20:08, 11 April 2024 (UTC) reply
    Tagged for G7. Queen of Hearts 22:33, 11 April 2024 (UTC) reply
  • Delete per nom. Marcocapelle ( talk) 21:21, 11 April 2024 (UTC) reply
  • comment creator of the category has G7'ed it. —usernamekiran (talk) 22:42, 11 April 2024 (UTC) reply
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Category:Wikipedians supporting social democracy

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The result of the discussion was: delete ( non-admin closure) House Blaster ( talk · he/him) 01:46, 19 April 2024 (UTC) reply
Nominator's rationale: WP:OC/U#Advocacy * Pppery * it has begun... 19:51, 11 April 2024 (UTC) reply
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Category:Wikipedians loving software updates

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The result of the discussion was: delete ( non-admin closure) House Blaster ( talk · he/him) 01:46, 19 April 2024 (UTC) reply
Nominator's rationale: WP:OC/U#Irrelevant likes * Pppery * it has begun... 19:51, 11 April 2024 (UTC) reply
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Category:Wikipedians with blue-linked categories on their user page

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The result of the discussion was: delete. From WP:USERCATNO (linked by the nom):

Categories that are jokes/nonsense
This includes any grouping of users that is patently false (e.g. Wikipedians who are zombies, Wikipedians in their 780s), nonsensical (e.g. Userpages That Are Full Of LOL), undecipherable (e.g. Wikipedians who Watch animals from their POV), or created primarily for humourous or satirical purposes (e.g. Wikipedians who are one of an infinite number of monkeys). (my emphasis). Category clearly meets this. (non-admin closure) Qwerfjkl talk 20:14, 20 April 2024 (UTC) reply

Nominator's rationale: WP:OC/U#All-inclusive WP:OC/U#jokes * Pppery * it has begun... 19:51, 11 April 2024 (UTC) reply
@ Pppery: See WP:JUSTAPOLICY. Someone who's wrong on the internet ( talk) 09:22, 18 April 2024 (UTC) reply
  • @ Someone who's wrong on the internet: you are linking to an essay and it is unclear per part of the essay how many users agree with it. Marcocapelle ( talk) 16:28, 18 April 2024 (UTC) reply
    I don't believe they were saying it is policy, nor do I think they were saying that it is something that needs to be agreed with. The essay points out a number of weak arguments that seem stronger than they actually are, or that are logical fallacies, etc. In this case, "per nom" is a very weak argument. Strong would be to retype the nom's argument exactly. Stronger still would be to restate the nom's argument in your own words. - UtherSRG (talk) 16:35, 18 April 2024 (UTC) reply
    • Copying nom's argument or restating the argument in different words does not add any new argument either, and that is what matters. The point is that nom's argument as such is strong enough to convince other editors. Marcocapelle ( talk) 18:40, 18 April 2024 (UTC) reply
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Category:Jewish communities in Palestine temporarily abandoned during the mandate period

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The result of the discussion was: delete Category:Jewish communities in Palestine temporarily abandoned during the mandate period. The other category has been split from my original closure. (non-admin closure) Qwerfjkl talk 20:18, 20 April 2024 (UTC) reply
Nominator's rationale: I don't know what to name these categories, but I think they needs more clear names. Mason ( talk) 03:23, 2 April 2024 (UTC) reply

To editor Qwerfjkl:, I request that you reopen this case. No rationale at all was provided for "Jewish villages depopulated in Mandatory Palestine", and it seems like nobody actually checked what the category represents. What this rename means is that almost all the articles in the category will have to be removed from it because these places were only abandoned for a short time before the inhabitants returned. They were not "depopulated". The category will end up with only one or two entries. Zero talk 23:12, 10 April 2024 (UTC) reply

  • @ Qwerfjkl: by all means reopen/relist the discussion. For the record, the objection only applies to the first nominated category. Marcocapelle ( talk) 16:30, 11 April 2024 (UTC) reply

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  • I notice now that I had omitted the word "temporarily" merely by accident. However if these villages were abandoned for only a short period then it is not a defining characteristic and Category:Jewish communities in Palestine temporarily abandoned during the mandate period should be deleted rather than renamed. Marcocapelle ( talk) 18:39, 11 April 2024 (UTC) reply
  • (Only referring to the first category in this comment.) My first preference is for the category to be deleted, and my second preference is for the current name (with "temporarily") to be kept. There are only a tiny number of places in the list that can reasonably be said to have been "depopulated" and some are not really "communities" (such as a cluster of houses inside a city). Zero talk 02:53, 12 April 2024 (UTC) reply
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Natural history

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The result of the discussion was: delete ( non-admin closure) Qwerfjkl talk 20:25, 20 April 2024 (UTC) reply
Nominator's rationale: delete, Natural history used to be what we call Natural sciences today, the umbrella term of biology, physics, chemistry etc. The current meaning of natural history is very fuzzy. The content of these categories largely overlaps with Category:Environment of Afghanistan, Category:Environment of Albania etc. If consensus about this is likely I will also add the other countries. Marcocapelle ( talk) 17:28, 11 April 2024 (UTC) reply
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Category:Words and phrases by language

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The result of the discussion was: no consensus. (non-admin closure) Qwerfjkl talk 20:35, 21 April 2024 (UTC) reply
Nominator's rationale: Many subcategories in it have the 'statute', like, ""This category is not for articles about concepts and things but only for articles about the words themselves. Please keep this category purged of everything that is not actually an article about a word or phrase". However I checked a couple and see that people dont care and put there items that are just about subjects that have title in foreingn language, such as e.g. Goralenvolk, Gokenin, Gradonachalnik.
  • Shall we undertake a really massive cleanup (and put these cats on watchlist to prevent from "contamination", since it will most surely happen )
  • or change the 'statutes' to reflect the status quo? I do feet that catigories, like, category:Russian terms to describe Russian culture are of value.- Altenmann >talk 19:33, 26 March 2024 (UTC) reply
  • P.S. While we are at that, it will make sense to double-check the ledes for proper "XXX is a term for YYY" vs. "XXX is YYY". For example two articles about basically same concept but in different cultures introduced dirfferently:
    • Mazhory (from majors; roughly translates as "the superior ones"[1]) is a slang term used in the Soviet Union and post-Soviet countries for children of privileged people,
  • vs:
    • Princelings (Chinese: 太子党), also translated as the Party's Crown Princes, are the descendants of prominent and influential senior communist officials in the People's Republic of China.
- Altenmann >talk 20:04, 26 March 2024 (UTC) reply
  • If we drop the requirement that the categories only contain articles about words themselves, then they just wouldn't be useful. Wikipedia is not a dictionary. A category containing every article that is a word in a specific language would be far too inclusive.  dummelaksen  ( talk • contribs) 20:02, 26 March 2024 (UTC) reply
    • I dont think WP:NOTDICTIONARY is applicable here. Besides, We have articles such as Yiddish words used in English. Shouldn't the list items with articles be in a matching category?- Altenmann >talk 20:09, 26 March 2024 (UTC) reply
      Not necessarily, I don't think so. The article you mention already fulfills that exact purpose. Essentially my point is that if we drop the requirement in question then articles would be categorised purely based on their titles and not their scope, which I think is overcategorisation. It's not a very strong example of it, so I understand your concern, but I still think it's better if these categories of words and phrases only contain articles about words and phrases.  dummelaksen  ( talk • contribs) 20:35, 28 March 2024 (UTC) reply
      ETA: I think list articles, like Yiddish words used in English, are a much better idea actually. I would be completely fine with list articles like those instead of putting non-word articles in the words categories.  dummelaksen  ( talk • contribs) 20:39, 28 March 2024 (UTC) reply
  • The instruction on these category pages isn't clear at all. We should either remove the requirement or delete the categories. Marcocapelle ( talk) 23:02, 26 March 2024 (UTC) reply
    @ Marcocapelle: out of interest, what about it do you think is unclear?  dummelaksen  ( talk • contribs) 20:27, 28 March 2024 (UTC) reply
    • Words exist for the very purpose of referring to a concept or thing. It is not very well imaginable that we have articles about words that do not also discuss the meaning of the words. Marcocapelle ( talk) 22:51, 28 March 2024 (UTC) reply
      That's fair. Almost every article should have a definition of its title but most articles are much more than just the meaning and usage of the word. In that case, the header should read "articles about the usage of the word in language" or something else to that effect.  dummelaksen  ( talk • contribs) 23:11, 28 March 2024 (UTC) reply
      • @ Dummelaksen: let me rephrase this slightly: "articles mainly about the usage of the word in language". The question is how much % of the article should be about the usage of the word in language in order to qualify for the category. Marcocapelle ( talk) 05:09, 29 March 2024 (UTC) reply
        A good article should be about one thing and one thing only, i.e. an article should be about the word itself, or not about the word itself. So ideally, 100%. In reality a lot of articles in these categories aren't written well so are about the concept, but are inappropriately written like dictionary definitions.
        I've been very conservative thus far, and only removed articles that are clearly about concepts, but many of these articles should be rewritten to avoid WP:NOTDICT and WP:REFERSTO.  dummelaksen  ( talk • contribs) 05:38, 29 March 2024 (UTC) reply

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Relisting comment: Should this category continue to exist? If so, how should it be organized? Specific proposals on the latter point would be appreciated!
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  • Basically there are only two options: do nothing or delete. In the first option we may remove the requirement but even when the requirement is kept it will be ignored so the result is the same. Marcocapelle ( talk) 20:10, 6 April 2024 (UTC) reply
    A rule (for lack of a better word) being ignored isn't reason to just give up and delete the categories though.  dummelaksen  ( talk • contribs) 16:07, 7 April 2024 (UTC) reply

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Category:Habitats Directive Species

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Category:Vaisala Prize Laureates

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The result of the discussion was: delete ( non-admin closure) Queen of ♡ | speak 19:52, 18 April 2024 (UTC) reply
Nominator's rationale: The name of the prize is Väisälä Prize with umlauts. See the official webpage: https://acadsci.fi/en/grants-and-prizes/vaisala-prize/ Jähmefyysikko ( talk) 08:36, 11 April 2024 (UTC) reply
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Category:South Dakota state representatives

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The result of the discussion was: delete ( non-admin closure) Queen of ♡ | speak 19:52, 18 April 2024 (UTC) reply
Nominator's rationale: this category is relatively small and redundant to the much larger Category:Members of the South Dakota House of Representatives.-- TommyBoy ( talk) 04:19, 11 April 2024 (UTC) reply
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Category:Czech saints

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The result of the discussion was: delete ( non-admin closure) Qwerfjkl talk 20:40, 21 April 2024 (UTC) reply
Nominator's rationale: WP:CROSSCAT. Not sure if this phenomenon has been discussed before, but I couldn't find it in the CFD archives. I'm nominating this to initiate a preliminary discussion on the wider Category:Christian saints by nationality tree, as I see several issues with the selection criteria in many parts of this tree, and this particular category exemplifies them well.
A. Objectivity and verifiability: Whoever is considered a "saint" or not is inherently subjective and WP:POV. If this is even the 'job' of Wikipedia to start with, the only way to objectively categorise saints is by the authority of a relevant religious organisation (in this case a church or denomination), which has officially canonised a person as a saint in verifiable publications ( WP:V + WP:RS). Perhaps one person is canonised by multiple organisations, and perhaps lots of individuals in a community or society unofficially believe in a person's sainthood, but we may assume that the rest of the world, by default, does not accept anyone's sainthood, especially not of anyone in a religious denomination other than their own (if any). Certain denominations such as Calvinist churches even vehemently oppose the very idea of sainthood as blasphemous, and don't recognise the saints of any other church either. It's always a saint according to church X. I think we can all agree on that.
B. Relevance of nationality: "Nationality" seems irrelevant. Generally speaking, secular authorities like states and governments are not in the business of canonising saints. It might be that the feasts of certain saints are established as public holidays (say, Saint Patrick's Day in Ireland and some other jurisdictions), and that there is some official symbolism devoted to a saint, but it's not the Republic of Ireland's business to say who is a saint and who isn't. (Proclaiming "national heroes" maybe, but that's a separate issue). Similarly, it's not the Czech Republic's business to accord sainthood to, say, Jan Hus. There seems to be no particular connection between sainthood (a religious legal status) and nationality (a secular legal status). This is why I'm leaning towards regarding the whole saints by nationality tree an inappropriate WP:CROSSCAT.
C. Original research: Finally, even if nationality somehow were an appropriate attribute of a saint, a great number of these saints lived at a time when the present-day states did not exist yet. The Czech Republic wasn't founded until 1993, the Republic of Ireland not until 1922/1937/1949 (depending on one's view), the Netherlands not until 1581/1648/1813/1815 etc., so how could there be such a thing as medieval "Czech", "Dutch", "Irish" etc. saints? This seems obvious WP:OR, driven by modern nationalism to arbitrarily claim various elements of the past for a modern political entity. The catdesc of Category:Christian saints by nationality seems to confirm this: This category is for articles about saints by the country they were from or are associated with. That's a textbook example of WP:ASSOCIATEDWITH. Given that the relevance of "nationality" is already shaky, this seems even more reason to get rid of this kind of WP:ARBITRARYCAT.
I don't rule out the possibility that this category tree may be legitimate and useful after all. But I think we should at least discuss why we should have it or not. I'm also not picking on Czech saints in particular, it's just a very good example to illustrate the issues I'm seeing across the tree. (E.g. with "French saints" I wouldn't be able to raise point C. very well, as France's statehood arguably goes much further back and could arguably capture most medieval saints.) I would love to hear your thoughts. This is a large tree, we shouldn't be making rash decisions. NLeeuw ( talk) 19:14, 3 April 2024 (UTC) reply
  • Comment Nederlandse Leeuw I don't have time for a full response now, but WP:CROSSCAT is about articles and refers to Wikipedia:Overcategorization for categories, so I suggest that arguments should be based on WP:OVERCAT, rather than WP:CROSSCAT. TSventon ( talk) 01:29, 4 April 2024 (UTC) reply
    Fair enough, but you'll notice I've invoked many more specific guidelines in my rationale: WP:POV, WP:V, WP:RS (these 3 issues can be overcome within the Category:Saints by religion tree, but not, I think, in the Category:Saints by nationality tree), relevance (I think nationality is WP:NONDEFINING for saints, because sainthood is not established through secular law, but ecclesiastical law, and denominations such as the Catholic Church and Constantinople Patriarchate operate internationally), WP:OR, WP:ASSOCIATEDWITH, and WP:ARBITRARYCAT. NLeeuw ( talk) 03:03, 4 April 2024 (UTC) reply
    Wikipedia categories exist to help readers navigate the encyclopedia and I think Category:Christian saints by nationality is justified on that basis.
    A. Objectivity and verifiability: I agree that you can argue there is a legitimate POV concern about Category:Christian saints.
    B. Relevance of nationality: Category:Christian saints is a large category, so it is useful for navigation to WP:DIFFUSE it. Nationality is an accepted basis for diffusing large categories, so I would suggest keeping national categories unless a better method can be found. Nationality is relevant as churches such as the Catholic Church and Constantinople Patriarchate are divided into national units, such as the Catholic Church in the Czech Republic and the Orthodox Church of the Czech Lands and Slovakia. It is therefore not a WP:ARBITRARYCAT. Until the French Revolution, churches and secular governments in Europe were closely integrated and monarchs had an interest in who was canonised in their realms. Sometimes a saint would be canonised after being killed on behalf of a monarch. However sainthood should be a defining characterstic members of Category:Christian saints. If this is not the case for Jan Hus, he should not be in the category.
    C. Original research: This is an issue for Category:Czech people, rather than just Category:Czech saints. I would argue that both categories are useful for navigation and that nationality is just as WP:DEFINING for saints as for other human beings. Category:Czech people by century, for example goes back to Category:9th-century people from Bohemia. If the catdesc of Category:Christian saints by nationality says This category is for articles about saints by the country they were from or are associated with. then the words "associated with" could be removed. TSventon ( talk) 15:21, 4 April 2024 (UTC) reply
    Medieval Roman Catholic dioceses in the Low Countries, Germany and France, with modern borders in red
    I agree with you that diffusing large categories is important for smooth navigation, but I agree with Marcocapelle below that Christian saints [should] only be diffused by century and no longer by nationality.
    I'm afraid the ecclesiastical organisation argument shoots itself in the foot. Church provinces coinciding with national borders is a very modern phenomenon, and not even the Catholic Church has enough adherents in every country to have a province for each of them. Take the example of the map on the right there, showing that in the Middle Ages the borders of archdioceses in the Low Countries almost completely ignored the country borders that exist today (because those country borders didn't exist at the time either).
    Evidently, Jan Hus was executed by the Catholic Church, which up until today regards him as a heretic and an enemy, whereas some but not all Orthodox and Lutheran denominations have canonised Hus as a saint. The sources provided - 64 and 65; two copies of the same 2011 interview with Christopher of Prague - state that Jan Hus has been canonised as a saint by the (Orthodox) Church of Greece, Church of Cyprus, and the Orthodox Church of the Czech Lands and Slovakia. Only the last one is relevant if we are to decide whether Hus is a "Czech" saint or not, and according to the 2021 Czech Republic census, only 0.4% of the population is a member of the Orthodox Church of the Czech Lands and Slovakia. The Czechoslovak Hussite Church bears his name and acknowledges him as their predecessor, but There is no veneration of saints as practiced in the Apostolic Churches, and they constituted only 0.2% of the Czech population in 2021. In fact, we might look at Religion in the Czech Republic as a whole and see that almost half of Czechs have no religion at all, fewer than 10% are Catholics (who officially regard Hus as a heretic), and the few who hold Hus in high regard don't even show up in the piechart. Besides, the two categories declaring Jan Hus a "Lutheran saint" are not backed up by sources at all. So, all religious denominations in Czechia today who recognise Hus as a saint combined barely represent the Czech population. Who are we Wikipedians to say that Hus is their "saint"? The Orthodox Greeks and Cypriots who nominally believe in his sainthood probably outnumber the Czechs who do. Nationality is just completely irrelevant here.
    If anything, we should have a Category:Saints in the Orthodox Church of the Czech Lands and Slovakia as a child of Category:Eastern Orthodox saints. If we can't find enough to populate that category, then maybe we should listify them and make them a separate section in the main article Orthodox Church of the Czech Lands and Slovakia or something. Or, add Jan Hus to List of Eastern Orthodox saints with a source stating in which 3 orthodox churches he is currently recognised as a saint. Whatever we do, categorising as "Czech saints" is one of the worst options we could take here. NLeeuw ( talk) 08:11, 5 April 2024 (UTC) reply
    NLeeuw I am arguing that we usually categorise people by nationality, so it helps navigation to categorise saints by nationality as well.
    Church provinces coinciding with national borders is not a modern phenomenon: the original dioceses were based on Roman dioceses. I will agree that the borders church provinces did not always and immediately change to follow state boundaries. However, as I argued earlier churches and secular governments in western Europe Europe were closely integrated, this can be seen in the History of Christianity in the Czech lands. Differing boundaries are an issue for subcategories of Category:Czech people and Category:Dutch people in general, not particularly for the saints categories.
    As to Jan Hus, the sourced text of the article should show that being a saint is a defining characteristic, which it apparently doesn't, so he could be removed from the category. Most of the contents of the Czech saints category is in Category:Czech Roman Catholic saints. Should that be nominated for deletion as well? Most of the members of that category are clearly connected to Bohemia and Moravia. TSventon ( talk) 23:21, 7 April 2024 (UTC) reply
    Czech Roman Catholic saints is more specific, because that has a denomination or religious organisation behind it. I'm still not sure about the "Czech" part, but on the whole it is indeed less problematic.
    I think you may be right that Jan Hus should be removed from all or some saints categories, especially the Lutheran ones as long as the article doesn't say anything about it.
    For nationalities categories, we've been having a lot of constructive dialogue and agreements in recent years, including Category:People from the Kingdom of Bohemia, where Hus probably belongs. NLeeuw ( talk) 06:03, 8 April 2024 (UTC) reply
  • A is not so much a problem because Christian churches have set procedures for sainthood attribution. For more clarity the category may be renamed from "saints" to "Christian saints" though. B is a problem not in itself but because of C. For that reason I would suggest Christian saints only to be diffused by century and no longer by nationality. Marcocapelle ( talk) 16:58, 4 April 2024 (UTC) reply
    I think your last suggestion is a rather useful one. (Although the earliest people later canonised as saints often have unclear lifespans; I'm thinking about Alban of Mainz, for example). Even if C weren't a problem, saints and nationality are still a contestable intersection as long as nationality is WP:NONDEFINING with regards to sainthood. The very nature of Christianity as a missionary religion with universal aspirations (that is, it seeks to convert all humanity, not just all members of the tribe / ethnicity / country / polity etc. it originated in) makes it arguably "internationalist", and nationality an irrelevant, modern invention. For navigational purposes we might have been pragmatic if "national" borders had been stable for the past 2000+ years (B), but they haven't (C), so... NLeeuw ( talk) 06:19, 8 April 2024 (UTC) reply
  • Keep. Part of Category:Christian saints by nationality, a large category tree. May not always be strictly accurate, but modern nationalities are commonly used for saints (i.e. they are especially venerated in the current countries from whose territory they originated). Categorisation of saints is clearly useful and it would not be advantageous to Wikipedia if we decided for NPOV reasons that saints weren't saints, as that is generally why they are notable. -- Necrothesp ( talk) 13:35, 9 April 2024 (UTC) reply
    • The size of a category tree is irrelevant if the tree itself is inappropriate to Wikipedia standards. It just means we need to be careful when dismantling or reorganising it.
    • As explained above, less than 1% of Czechs seems to venerate Jan Hus as a saint. (Nominally, there are probably more Greeks and Cypriots who do than Czechs). His main notability stems from the fact that the Hussite Wars are named after him (as his religious teachings ideologically influenced the conflict), not that a fringe church in the 20th or 21st century canonised him as a saint.
    • Categorisation of saints may be useful, but categorisation by what? E.g. we could categorise them by their favourite colour or their astrological sign, but those wouldn't be useful. Categories need to be WP:DEFINING.
    • As explained above, sainthood is always a POV. Some points of view are worth noting, but others are WP:UNDUE. Wikipedia is not in the business of extensively documenting the beliefs of very small religious, political or other groups with near-zero cultural impact. NLeeuw ( talk) 12:27, 11 April 2024 (UTC) reply
      PS: The last point is related to WP:COATRACK#Some Famous Dude Did It so It Must Be Good. NLeeuw ( talk) 12:30, 11 April 2024 (UTC) reply
  • Delete primordialism is not a point of view that is widely accepted in the nationality studies field. Wikipedia should certainly not take it for granted with ill advised categories that project the current state of the Czech Republic beyond the 19th century nationalist movement into the medieval past, when modern nationality just didn't exist. "Saints from Bohemia" would be OK but non-defining, for the reasons explained above. ( t · c) buidhe 01:27, 10 April 2024 (UTC) reply
  • Consistent with other "from Bohemia" categories, and also e.g. with "from Georgia (country)" categories. Marcocapelle ( talk) 18:14, 10 April 2024 (UTC) reply

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  • Comment I have taken a closer look at the interview with the archbishop of Prague about Jan Hus, and it seems that even the Orthodox Church of the Czech Lands and Slovakia has not yet canonised Jan Hus and his follower Jerome of Prague as "saints" or "martyrs". There is only lobbying going on for them to be canonised at some point in the future, which the archbishop supports. The interviewer asks: Jan Hus and Jerome of Prague died a martyr's death for Christ's truth. Their memory lives on not only in Czechia. Your Beatitude, why have they not been canonized as saints? The archbishop gives various reasons why they haven't yet been, and then gives various reasons why they should be: ...Jan Hus and Jerome of Prague, died for the undistorted faith, for the pure faith of Christ—that is, for Orthodoxy. Therefore we are completely justified in canonizing them as saints. This has already been confirmed by the Church of Cyprus and the Greek Church. Other Orthodox Churches also support us. The penultimate sentence there is ambiguous: it could be read as that the Church of Cyprus and Greek Church have already canonised Hus and Prague as saints, or it could merely be a formal expression of support for the idea to canonise them as saints. This seems to be the core of the misunderstanding that Hus and Prague are already saints in those Orthodox Churches (which until now I also thought), but the interviewer's question indicates otherwise. (Incidentally, the archbishop saying that Hus and Prague died for "Orthodoxy" is his personal interpretation; some Protestant theologians may say they died for "proto-Protestantism", see below).
Second, I did find that there is some historical evidence that the Utraquists in the 16th century believed, described and praised them as saints, but they existed when there was no Czech Republic yet, and now that there is the Utraquists no longer exist. They were also a completely different denomination that is usually considered Protestant or "Proto-Protestant". Category:Hussite martyrs is a child of Category:15th-century proto-Protestant martyrs, which I find to be quite WP:SUBJECTIVECAT as well. I think this a good demonstration of how arbitrary and messy thus sainthood stuff can get, especially when we mix it up with nationality rather than by denomination (which is already messy enough). NLeeuw ( talk) 13:17, 11 April 2024 (UTC) reply
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Category:Crafts deities

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Category:Meitei Brahmins

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The result of the discussion was: procedural keep. The nominator is welcome to start a broader discussion on the matter (and I'm happy to help with mass noms if need be). (non-admin closure) Qwerfjkl talk 20:42, 21 April 2024 (UTC) reply
Nominator's rationale: Categories are identical PepperBeast (talk) 04:11, 3 April 2024 (UTC) reply
No particular reason- it's just the one I spotted. PepperBeast (talk) 11:07, 3 April 2024 (UTC) reply
  • I'd prefer to have this discussed in broader context. Marcocapelle ( talk) 17:10, 4 April 2024 (UTC) reply

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Category:Shumang Kumhei

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The result of the discussion was: upmerge. (non-admin closure) Qwerfjkl talk 20:43, 21 April 2024 (UTC) reply
Nominator's rationale: Tiny category of just two articles (that are mutually linked). PepperBeast (talk) 04:24, 3 April 2024 (UTC) reply

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Category:Meitei script

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The result of the discussion was: purge. (non-admin closure) Queen of ♡ | speak 19:48, 18 April 2024 (UTC) reply
Nominator's rationale: Grab-bag of stuff defined by some use of a particular writing system... WP:TRIVIALCAT PepperBeast (talk) 04:30, 3 April 2024 (UTC) reply

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Category:Non-binary people by sexual orientation

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The result of the discussion was: rename. No consensus on deletion. (non-admin closure) Queen of ♡ | speak 19:48, 18 April 2024 (UTC) reply
Nominator's rationale: To be similar with Category:Non-binary lesbians and Category:Transgender bisexual people, for example, among others. -- MikutoH talk! 02:11, 3 April 2024 (UTC) reply
Support per nom. – LaundryPizza03 ( d c̄) 02:40, 3 April 2024 (UTC) reply
  • Possibly delete as a trivial intersection. Marcocapelle ( talk) 06:17, 3 April 2024 (UTC) reply
    Support rename, and neutral on delete. But if we do delete we ought to manually merge the pages to the respective parents. Mason ( talk) 13:39, 3 April 2024 (UTC) reply
  • Delete non-defining intersection. ( t · c) buidhe 01:30, 10 April 2024 (UTC) reply

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Category:Shabbat observant businesses

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April 10

Category:Religious extremism by country

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The result of the discussion was: merge ( non-admin closure) Qwerfjkl talk 15:11, 18 April 2024 (UTC) reply
Nominator's rationale: No need to have a category with a single country in it. This is unhelpful for navigation. Mason ( talk) 21:29, 10 April 2024 (UTC) reply
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Category:Religious police

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The result of the discussion was: merge ( non-admin closure) Qwerfjkl talk 15:11, 18 April 2024 (UTC) reply
Nominator's rationale: Overlapping categories Mason ( talk) 21:27, 10 April 2024 (UTC) reply
  • Merge/delete per nom, and because it is a redundant category layer with only one subcategory. The subcategory is already in the target so merge and delete have the same effect. Marcocapelle ( talk) 06:02, 11 April 2024 (UTC) reply
  • Merge and redirect for traceability, as the subcat uses the name "religious police". – Fayenatic London 10:18, 13 April 2024 (UTC) reply
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Category:Russian Military leaders of the 2022 Russo-Ukrainian War

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The result of the discussion was: delete ( non-admin closure) Queen of ♡ | speak 20:36, 17 April 2024 (UTC) reply
Nominator's rationale: Does not match the main article, Russian invasion of Ukraine and is populated solely by politicians. AusLondonder ( talk) 20:12, 10 April 2024 (UTC) reply
Shouldn't it be merged instead of deleted then? Mason ( talk) 01:43, 11 April 2024 (UTC) reply
  • Delete (or merge when there is a suitable target), these aren't military leaders. Marcocapelle ( talk) 06:05, 11 April 2024 (UTC) reply
  • Delete per WP:ARBITRARYCAT. Even if we were to rename "Military" to "political", it's arbitrarily put together. These are the presidents of the RF, DNR and LNR, but one might just as well include Lukashenka, the Ayatollah of Iran and Kim Jong-un, or all heads of all federal subjects of the Russian Federation including Kadyrov. NLeeuw ( talk) 00:55, 12 April 2024 (UTC) reply
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Category:Universities Canada

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The result of the discussion was: delete ( non-admin closure) Queen of ♡ | speak 20:36, 17 April 2024 (UTC) reply
Nominator's rationale: Overlapping with Category:Universities in Canada. User:Namiba 20:09, 10 April 2024 (UTC) reply
  • Delete per nom, and just membership of an organization is hardly ever a defining characteristic. Marcocapelle ( talk) 06:07, 11 April 2024 (UTC) reply
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Category:Military leaders of the 2022 Russo-Ukrainian War

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The result of the discussion was: delete ( non-admin closure) Queen of ♡ | speak 20:37, 17 April 2024 (UTC) reply
Nominator's rationale: This category does not match the article, namely Russian invasion of Ukraine. It is also populated solely by one political leader, not a military leader. AusLondonder ( talk) 20:09, 10 April 2024 (UTC) reply
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Category:Mashriqi Jews

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The result of the discussion was: partial merge. (non-admin closure) Qwerfjkl talk 15:12, 18 April 2024 (UTC) reply
Nominator's rationale: per Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Mashriqi Jews, the term is rarely used. Another possibility: to upmerge into Category:Mizrahi Jews pr their subcats - Category:North African Jews and Category:West Asian Jews‎. Альдий ( talk) 19:30, 10 April 2024 (UTC) reply
If not kept, I think we should merge, not delete. Mason ( talk) 21:33, 10 April 2024 (UTC) reply
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Category:Musta'arabi Jews

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The result of the discussion was: delete ( non-admin closure) Queen of ♡ | speak 20:38, 17 April 2024 (UTC) reply
Nominator's rationale: Small subcategory. Another possibility: to upmerge directly into Category:Mizrahi Jews. Альдий ( talk) 19:27, 10 April 2024 (UTC) reply
FYI: Wikipedia:Overcategorization/Small with no potential for growth is no longer a reason to delete a category. Mason ( talk) 21:34, 10 April 2024 (UTC) reply
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Category:Anti-Jewish pogroms by Muslims

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Category:18th-century American slave owners

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Category:Anti-Jewish pogroms by Muslims 1941-49

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The result of the discussion was: merge ( non-admin closure) Qwerfjkl talk 15:19, 18 April 2024 (UTC) reply
Nominator's rationale: Merge as arbcat. Why 1941 to 1949? This distinction seems arbitrary. (If not merged, it should be renamed to Anti-Jewish pogroms by Muslims in the 1940s) Mason ( talk) 03:20, 2 April 2024 (UTC) reply
  • Decades are common practice when there are multiple sibling decade categories, but that is not going to happen in this case. Marcocapelle ( talk) 05:43, 2 April 2024 (UTC) reply
    Hmmm I wouldn't be sure about that, but now that I think about it, perhaps a subdivision by century is a viable alternative? NLeeuw ( talk) 20:56, 3 April 2024 (UTC) reply

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  • Reply to User:Namiba: as Category:Anti-Jewish pogroms by Muslims exists and has not been nominated for merger, that is the right target for now. Of course you may nominate Category:Anti-Jewish pogroms by Muslims for merger as well but that would be a different sort of discussion. Marcocapelle ( talk) 17:48, 10 April 2024 (UTC) reply
    I have nominated it above.-- User:Namiba 18:42, 10 April 2024 (UTC) reply
    I think Namiba has made a good case for upmerging that category as well. Procedurally, I think it's best if we reach agreement to upmerge this one first, otherwise we'd be trying to upmerge into a category that doesn't exist anymore. NLeeuw ( talk) 18:42, 10 April 2024 (UTC) reply
  • Whatever is done, get rid of this name. "By Muslims" is simply unacceptable in a category name. Even when the majority of the perpetrators were Muslims, the name implies that their religion was a key factor in the process (rather than politics, economics, etc.). Usually this is either false or unknown. Would we name a cat about things done by Israel with "by Jews"? Zero talk 04:06, 13 April 2024 (UTC) reply
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Category:19th-century Roman Catholic church buildings in Réunion

Nominator's rationale: Upmerge for now. There's only 4 churches total in Category:Roman Catholic churches in Réunion, so diffusion by century isn't helpful for navigation Mason ( talk) 20:22, 23 March 2024 (UTC) reply
What about, say, Hawaii or Alaska? (Or Malta should integration be achieved back in the 1950s–60s?) 61.244.93.97 ( talk) 09:03, 27 March 2024 (UTC) reply
Or Kaliningrad post-1945? 61.244.93.97 ( talk) 09:59, 28 March 2024 (UTC) reply
  • Keep so that it may be grouped under an African parent category when there are also such by continent parents. 61.244.93.97 ( talk) 09:03, 27 March 2024 (UTC) reply
  • If you create it then of course it is a good merge target too. Marcocapelle ( talk) 07:03, 30 March 2024 (UTC) reply
  • Keep as stated above; or otherwise the next preferable choice would be merger with Roman catholic church buildings in all other départements et régions d'outre-mer under the same category. 61.244.93.97 ( talk) 08:00, 10 April 2024 (UTC) reply
  • Keep this category and put it under both the French and the African hierarchy. 83.229.61.201 ( talk) 15:34, 31 March 2024 (UTC) reply
  • As an IP user you can vote as many times as you want but don't expect it to be taken seriously by the closer of the discussion. Marcocapelle ( talk) 07:12, 1 April 2024 (UTC) reply

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Category:Languages used in Doordarshan

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The result of the discussion was: delete ( non-admin closure) Queen of ♡ | speak 20:40, 17 April 2024 (UTC) reply
Nominator's rationale: WP:NONDEF. PepperBeast (talk) 19:21, 2 April 2024 (UTC) reply

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  • Delete per nom. They are simply Indian languages, at most to be diffused by Indian state. Marcocapelle ( talk) 17:51, 10 April 2024 (UTC) reply
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Category:Estonian numismatists

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Category:Burial sites of the House of Yurievichi

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The result of the discussion was: merge ( non-admin closure) Queen of ♡ | speak 20:41, 17 April 2024 (UTC) reply
Nominator's rationale: 1 P, 0 C. Upmerge for now. NLeeuw ( talk) 11:34, 10 April 2024 (UTC) reply
  • Merge for now, without objection to recreate any of these categories when some more articles are available. Marcocapelle ( talk) 17:58, 10 April 2024 (UTC) reply
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Category:Uterus transplant recipients

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The result of the discussion was: merge ( non-admin closure) Queen of ♡ | speak 06:19, 17 April 2024 (UTC) reply
Nominator's rationale: small category with only one person in it, which isn't helpful for navigation Mason ( talk) 02:19, 10 April 2024 (UTC) reply
  • Merge, the article Uterus transplant discusses a number of known cases and the recipients were apparently not notable by themselves (with one exception). Marcocapelle ( talk) 03:20, 10 April 2024 (UTC) reply
  • In the future, there may be enough notable uterus transplant recipients to make it worthwhile to have a category. When that day comes, I hope someone recreates this category. But right now, with only one person in the category? Merge per nom. -sche ( talk) 02:51, 12 April 2024 (UTC) reply
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Category:Anti-feminism

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The result of the discussion was: merge as proposed, then rename to Category:Antifeminism. (non-admin closure) Queen of ♡ | speak 06:18, 17 April 2024 (UTC) reply
Nominator's rationale: Overlapping categories. (If Anti-feminism is the preferred name, then we should still merge and then rename to preserve the edit history) Mason ( talk) 02:17, 10 April 2024 (UTC) reply
Reverse merge to Category:Anti-feminism. AHI-3000 ( talk) 17:54, 11 April 2024 (UTC) reply
Given that, I think we should regard 'antifeminism' and 'opposition to feminism' as synonyms, and a subset of the broader phenomenon of 'criticism of feminism', which is currently (correctly) a parent of Category:Opposition to feminism. The default way to go would be to have Category:Antifeminism as a category per WP:C2D, and merge the other category into it. Pragmatically speaking, I agree with nom that we should preserve the edit history as much as possible, and pick the oldest category as the one to rename, and merge the younger 2 into it. Category:Opposition to feminism was created on 3 November 2019‎, and Category:Anti-feminism on 20 January 2024‎. Therefore, Category:Opposition to feminism should be the merge target.
Therefore, I suggest merging per nom, and afterways a speedy rename to Category:Antifeminism per WP:C2D. (Maybe the second step can be taken in one go during this CfM already?). NLeeuw ( talk) 12:27, 10 April 2024 (UTC) reply
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Category:Pin-up models

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The result of the discussion was: delete ( non-admin closure) Queen of ♡ | speak 06:15, 17 April 2024 (UTC) reply
Nominator's rationale: Overlapping categories by a new (to categories) user. Mason ( talk) 02:02, 10 April 2024 (UTC) reply
  • Were they really adult models? The first article I am reading, Betty Bryant, does not mention anything about it. Marcocapelle ( talk) 03:40, 10 April 2024 (UTC) reply
    Good question. Do you think that just targeted to regular models would be better? I don't think that this is really defining, as it's more of a layout/design/style rather than a type. Mason ( talk) 03:54, 10 April 2024 (UTC) reply
  • Delete, not merge, as WP:SUBJECTIVECAT. Many film stars were pinups but not adult models, e.g. Deanna Durbin for a wholesome case in point. – Fayenatic London 12:45, 13 April 2024 (UTC) reply
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Category:20th-century Australian women activists

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The result of the discussion was: merge ( non-admin closure) Queen of ♡ | speak 06:15, 17 April 2024 (UTC) reply
Nominator's rationale: Dual upmerge. Several CFDs have decided that activists are not diffused by century Mason ( talk) 01:54, 10 April 2024 (UTC) reply
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Category:20th-century Australian women tennis players

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The result of the discussion was: merge ( non-admin closure) Queen of ♡ | speak 06:15, 17 April 2024 (UTC) reply
Nominator's rationale: Dual upmerge. The norm is to not diffuse by century for specific sports. I already have a speedy rename in for the current parent category (20th-century Australian women athletes) Mason ( talk) 01:49, 10 April 2024 (UTC) reply
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April 9

Category:Works about North Asia

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The result of the discussion was: delete ( non-admin closure) Qwerfjkl talk 15:23, 18 April 2024 (UTC) reply
Nominator's rationale: This is a needless category tunnel from Category:Works about Asia > Category:Works about North Asia > Category:Films set in North Asia > that ends up just containing Category:Films set in Russia, which is already in Category:Films set in Asia by country (also already in the Category:Works about Asia tree). Let's eliminate these redundant 2 layers. For the same reason, Category:North Asia in fiction is a useless redundant layer. NLeeuw ( talk) 23:49, 9 April 2024 (UTC) reply
  • Delete per nom. There is nothing else is in North Asia beside Russia. Marcocapelle ( talk) 03:47, 10 April 2024 (UTC) reply
    • Comment historically, that is not true. If the work is about North Asia prior to the Russian conquest, or to an alternative world without Russian control, then, these would make sense. There's quite a lot of fiction about non-Russian North Asias. For instance, in The Years of Rice and Salt, Japan controls North Asia, after China cedes rights to control of it in return for assistance in war against the Caliphate. There's quote a number of Korean, Japanese, Chinese works where Russia is not in control of North Asia -- 65.92.247.66 ( talk) 05:51, 10 April 2024 (UTC) reply
      • That is a fair point. On the other hand there is Category:Works set in Siberia which supposedly covers non-Russian history as well. Marcocapelle ( talk) 06:02, 10 April 2024 (UTC) reply
        Pretty much all of the territory in Siberia was conquered by the Russian Empire before the invention of motion pictures in the 1880s. So all films produced in Siberia will have been produced in the Russian Empire, the Soviet Union, or the Russian Federation. As Marcocapelle says, if you were to have a film set in the Khanate of Sibir, that would fit in Category:Films set in Siberia, although I do think it then also needs to have Category:Films set in Asia as a parent, which it currently doesn't. Because 65.92.247.66 is right that fictional stories may not be set in Russia if part or all of Siberia is not under Russian control in these stories. NLeeuw ( talk) 09:38, 10 April 2024 (UTC) reply
    If "Category: Xyz Siberia" is the category to use, the "Category: Xyz North Asia" should exist as category redirects. However, Category:Siberia is a subcategory of Category:North Asia; likely because Beringia isn't Siberia, and fiction is set there as well. The missing equivalent category Category:Siberia in Fiction would need to be created, to go along with Category:Films set in Siberia and Category:Works set in Siberia / Category:Works about Siberia -- 65.92.247.66 ( talk) 21:44, 13 April 2024 (UTC) reply
    Delete per convo above. Mason ( talk) 23:15, 13 April 2024 (UTC) reply
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Category:21st-century Algerian men

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The result of the discussion was: delete ( non-admin closure) House Blaster ( talk · he/him) 23:36, 16 April 2024 (UTC) reply
Nominator's rationale: Unhelpful for navigation to only have one category in each of these categories. No need to merge because the lone child category in each is already properly parented. Mason ( talk) 22:45, 9 April 2024 (UTC) reply
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Category:21st-century Catalan men

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The result of the discussion was: merge ( non-admin closure) House Blaster ( talk · he/him) 23:36, 16 April 2024 (UTC) reply
Nominator's rationale: Non-defining under EGRS. Also it needs to be merged because the category creator has been treating it as a diffusing category. Mason ( talk) 22:37, 9 April 2024 (UTC) reply
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Category:Anti-Zionist Christians

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Category:Christian anti-Zionism

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Category:Inactive anime conventions

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The result of the discussion was: merge to Category:Anime and manga conventions. (non-admin closure) House Blaster ( talk · he/him) 23:36, 16 April 2024 (UTC) reply
Nominator's rationale: Non-defining. The convention isn't yet defunct. Mason ( talk) 03:02, 24 March 2024 (UTC) reply
  • Weak Keep. Having an "inactive" category puts the spotlight on conventions that have lapsed. I have seen conventions before which give no official "defunct" message. The only way of telling in these cases is through a stale website. - Knowledgekid87 ( talk) 03:41, 24 March 2024 (UTC) reply
    Sure, that's a useful piece of information, but I don't think that counts as WP:DEFINING. Mason ( talk) 14:47, 24 March 2024 (UTC) reply
    I see it as a way to make life easier for editors monitoring the convention articles. There really is no net gain by getting rid of it. - Knowledgekid87 ( talk) 15:30, 24 March 2024 (UTC) reply

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  • Merge per nom. With few exceptions, categories do not distinguish between current and former members of any given group. Dimadick ( talk) 14:18, 9 April 2024 (UTC) reply
  • Merge, there is no need for an intermediate category; just wait and then move to Category:Defunct anime conventions when that status is clear. – Fayenatic London 13:04, 15 April 2024 (UTC) reply
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Category:Dutch encyclopedias

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Category:Bulgarian encyclopedias

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Category:I Can See Your Voice Malaysia (Chinese version)

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The result of the discussion was: rename as unopposed. ( non-admin closure) Queen of ♡ | speak 23:39, 16 April 2024 (UTC) reply
Nominator's rationale: Included from the mass renamings for the I Can See Your Voice franchise, as per Talk:I Can See Your Voice (Belgian TV series) season 1#Requested move 31 March 2024 (kindly proceed to this discussion first before deliberating). Saisønisse ( talk) 07:12, 9 April 2024 (UTC) reply
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Category:Swedish politicians by ethnic or national origin

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The result of the discussion was: rename ( non-admin closure) Queen of ♡ | speak 23:40, 16 April 2024 (UTC) reply
Nominator's rationale: A. rename per usage of "descent" both in the parent and in the subcategory names. B. purge Category:Jewish Swedish politicians because the latter isn't about their ancestors but about what they are themselves (i.e. it is about ethnicity rather than about descent). Marcocapelle ( talk) 06:26, 9 April 2024 (UTC) reply
This is part of a larger stale speedy nomination in which User:1234qwer1234qwer4, User:Anomalous+0 and User:Smasongarrison participated. Marcocapelle ( talk) 06:27, 9 April 2024 (UTC) reply
Support per nom Mason ( talk) 18:31, 9 April 2024 (UTC) reply
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Category:Poets associated with Dundee

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The result of the discussion was: manual merge. (non-admin closure) Queen of ♡ | speak 23:40, 16 April 2024 (UTC) reply
Nominator's rationale: Overlapping categories Mason ( talk) 04:28, 9 April 2024 (UTC) reply
  • Manually merge, as it is not applicable to everyone. Marcocapelle ( talk) 05:24, 9 April 2024 (UTC) reply
  • Comment, as the creator I am happy to go with consensus, but thought it best to explain the background as to why there are two categories and how they are different and why a merge could be problematic. It all stems from the fact that there are two categories for people connected to to Dundee Category:People from Dundee and Category:People associated with Dundee. The former states "This category is only for people actually born in Dundee. For people who are strongly associated with the city, but not born there, see: Category:People associated with Dundee". As the poets was going to be under the former this presented a problem as some of Dundee's most noted Poets like Mary Brooksbank and William McGonagall were not originally from the city, so under the terms would not fit in the "from Dundee" model. Hence it seemed logical to create a second category that could go under Category:People associated with Dundee. I know there was discussion about merging the people from/associated with categories, but I don't think there was a consensus. If a merger is decided upon then the Poets from Category would need to have its statement changed as none of the people in the poets associated with category would currently be eligible for inclusion. There should probably also then be a decision taken about the future of Category:People from Dundee/ Category:People associated with Dundee. Dunarc ( talk) 12:48, 9 April 2024 (UTC) reply
    • Comment "People from" categories do not always cover the place of birth. We often do cover people who were long-time residents in a populated place. Dimadick ( talk) 14:23, 9 April 2024 (UTC) reply
      • Agree, the statement about birth on these category pages should be removed. Marcocapelle ( talk) 18:07, 9 April 2024 (UTC) reply
        Merge per WP:ASSOCIATEDWITH. NLeeuw ( talk) 18:52, 10 April 2024 (UTC) reply
        Happy to support consensus, but I wonder if there might be one or two whose association with Dundee is not strong enough for a "from" category and therefore should be kept out after a merger. Eg Thomas Hood spent a relatively brief, albeit important, part of his early career in Dundee. Dunarc ( talk) 22:56, 10 April 2024 (UTC) reply
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Category:Animation people

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The result of the discussion was: rename ( non-admin closure) House Blaster ( talk · he/him) 23:37, 16 April 2024 (UTC) reply
Nominator's rationale: There is a mismatch in structure between Category:People in animation by company and its direct parent Category:Animation people. I propose choosing the "People in ___" structure for all of them to match their common parent Category:People in technology, and specifying animation/anime industry to make it obviously different from Category:Animated characters, as well as matching the form of cousin Category:People in the computer industry and other parents Category:Animation industry and Category:Anime industry.

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Category:Nazis in Argentina

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The result of the discussion was: containerize. (non-admin closure) Queen of ♡ | speak 23:43, 16 April 2024 (UTC) reply
Nominator's rationale: Should be containerized like /info/en/?search=Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2024_March_27#Category:Nazis_in_the_United_States Mason ( talk) 02:41, 9 April 2024 (UTC) reply
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Category:Irish people of Antigua and Barbuda descent

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The result of the discussion was: no consensus. (non-admin closure) Queen of ♡ | speak 23:46, 16 April 2024 (UTC) reply
Nominator's rationale: WP:NARROWCAT tailor-made for one member. Categories are not "interesting fact tags". But, mentioning facts, consider also: no mention of Antigua and Barbuda in the only member article and the cited source only says: “Mam” is Canadian-Irish and his father is from the Caribbean. — Alalch E. 11:22, 1 April 2024 (UTC) reply
  • Merge, this is not helpful for navigation between articles. Marcocapelle ( talk) 11:34, 1 April 2024 (UTC) reply
  • Oppose, I generally oppose merging these, added a ref that specifically points out Antigua.-- Ortizesp ( talk) 11:55, 1 April 2024 (UTC) reply

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  • Oppose. Part of a longstanding category tree. -- Necrothesp ( talk) 13:24, 9 April 2024 (UTC) reply
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Category:Klingon-language operas

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The result of the discussion was: no consensus. (non-admin closure) Queen of ♡ | speak 23:46, 16 April 2024 (UTC) reply
Nominator's rationale: Upmerge for now without prejudice. Unlikely that this category will be filled with lots of articles any time soon, but we'll see. (Already in Category:Operas). NLeeuw ( talk) 13:08, 1 April 2024 (UTC) reply

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Category:Cheese and Pasta

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The result of the discussion was: merge to Category:Pasta dishes and eat. (non-admin closure) Queen of ♡ | speak 23:48, 16 April 2024 (UTC) reply
Nominator's rationale: Can this be renamed to "Cheese and pasta" with a lowercase "p" in the word "pasta" per naming convention policy Tinton5 ( talk) 21:59, 1 April 2024 (UTC) reply

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I vote we Eat both! :D Joke NLeeuw ( talk) 00:13, 10 April 2024 (UTC) reply
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Category:Gaza Strip during the Israel–Hamas war

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The result of the discussion was: rename to Category:Gaza Strip in the Israel–Hamas war. (non-admin closure) House Blaster ( talk · he/him) 23:38, 16 April 2024 (UTC) reply
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April 8

Category:Opposition to Ferenc Gyurcsány

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The result of the discussion was: delete. Category:Opposition to Viktor Orbán can be discussed separately, if one wishes to pursue that. (non-admin closure) House Blaster ( talk · he/him) 23:59, 15 April 2024 (UTC) reply
Nominator's rationale: Not sure why we even have this, it seems to be an extension of the POV issues plaguing Mr. Gyurcsány here and it also seems to curiously exclude Fizdez, his primary opposition. Allan Nonymous ( talk) 22:11, 8 April 2024 (UTC) reply
  • Delete, we do not have an opposition category for every separate government. Marcocapelle ( talk) 05:33, 9 April 2024 (UTC) reply
  • Delete Some of the political parties listed here have nearly 40 years of history. Some of the members were probably not even alive during Gyurcsány's term in office. Not a useful categorization for parties. Dimadick ( talk) 14:28, 9 April 2024 (UTC) reply
  • Support in principle, but... should we then also delete Category:Opposition to Viktor Orbán? Both categories were created last year and seem to serve a similar purpose. NLeeuw ( talk) 19:04, 10 April 2024 (UTC) reply
    @ Allan Nonymous what do you think as nom? You might not have seen this. There could be a reason for having both, having neither, or having one but not the other. Technically speaking, Gyurcsány has been in "opposition" to Orbán since 2010, and since 2022 the opposition leader, so if we mean formal parliamentary opposition, the scope of the Category:Opposition to Ferenc Gyurcsány should be limited to 2004 to 2009, while Category:Opposition to Viktor Orbán could be scoped to 1998-2002 and 2010-present. Then again, maybe we should call it "Opposition to the Orban Government(s)" or something instead of "to Viktor Orbán" personally. NLeeuw ( talk) 07:52, 11 April 2024 (UTC) reply
    I feel there is a case for having the Category:Opposition to Viktor Orbán without this article, given the fact that Orban has had a much bigger impact on Hungary, but more to the point, that is a WP:OTHERSTUFF argument. Allan Nonymous ( talk) 13:55, 11 April 2024 (UTC) reply
    That is a fair point I can agree with. As I said, There could be a reason for having both, having neither, or having one but not the other. I'm not saying we should treat them equally (Orban is in a much more authoritarian position than Gyurcsány ever was), but I do think we should compare the two categories, and then make a decision. NLeeuw ( talk) 20:52, 12 April 2024 (UTC) reply
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Category:Native American characters in video games

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The result of the discussion was: delete ( non-admin closure) Qwerfjkl talk 17:47, 16 April 2024 (UTC) reply
Nominator's rationale: Effectively duplicative with the older Category:Video games featuring Native American protagonists‎, and most of the entries are video games, not characters. Delete without merging down. -- ferret ( talk) 21:29, 8 April 2024 (UTC) reply
  • Delete as duplicative, as nom states. Nothing lost in deletion anyways, as there were many instances of the newer version being wrongly or poorly implemented anyways. (Many DEFINING violations.) Sergecross73 msg me 21:38, 8 April 2024 (UTC) reply
  • Keep there's a difference between these two categories. "characters in video games" are notable characters in the game while "protagonists‎" are lead characters. By comparison, there is a category called " Category:Black characters in video games" and also Category:Video games featuring black protagonists. Native American characters in video games are a lot rarer and deserve categories to help people find them, raise awareness and for research. Artanisen ( talk) 22:34, 8 April 2024 (UTC) reply
But that's just it. How often is a game's non-protagonist side character's race going to be an DEFINING trait of a game on a whole? And as ferret notes, it doesn't make sense that your category is framed as about characters but was mostly applied to video game articles, not character articles. Sergecross73 msg me 21:54, 8 April 2024 (UTC) reply
I agree that in some games the Native American character plays a (very) minor role, while in others they are an important part of the story and gaming experience. If their role is too minor then they can be removed from the category. For example in the Red Dead Redemption games and Red Dead Revolver, the Native American characters play a significant role in the storyline, but they aren't protagonists. As in defining, well the interaction between the cowboys and Native Americans is an essential part of the main story and activities. - Artanisen ( talk) 22:38, 8 April 2024 (UTC) reply
The counter-argument categories are populated with characters. This one is populated with video games, except for one (Nightwolf), who is in the duplicative category already. -- ferret ( talk) 23:01, 8 April 2024 (UTC) reply
Yeah, I put Nightwolf in "Native American characters in video games", because he's an important character in Mortal Kombat, but not a protagonist. Other characters are described in the articles of the video games. If necessary more information can be added about the characters. This game Lara Croft and the Guardian of Light, the title of the game "Guardian of Light" refers to the Mayan warrior named Totec. Totec is playable in cooperative play. So Totec is one of the most important characters in this game together with Lara Croft. In Shadow Hearts: From the New World, the protagonist is Johnny Garland, while Shania is his female counterpart. Red Dead Redemption and Red Dead Redemption 2, each have a couple of important native American characters. Without these characters the story wouldn't work. - Artanisen ( talk) 09:42, 9 April 2024 (UTC) reply
  • Delete, if it is not about a protagonist then it is nor a defining characteristic. Marcocapelle ( talk) 05:36, 9 April 2024 (UTC) reply
  • Comment - when I first read this category title, I thought it was for Native American characters who debuted in video games, not for video games with Native American characters. Maybe the category could just be redefined. (Oinkers42) ( talk) 14:44, 9 April 2024 (UTC) reply
    I agree, but I believe that the necessary reworking would pretty much lead us to the category ferret noted already exists. Sergecross73 msg me 15:18, 9 April 2024 (UTC) reply
  • Comment. Note that Category:Fictional Native American people in video games already exists for categorizing characters (not necessarily the games they are part of), although note hatnote that this category is for A) American Indians in the United States, and B) Is not for fictional characters merely "coded" with some American Indian attributes. I suspect that this category might be a better use of what the category creator intended. SnowFire ( talk) 15:57, 9 April 2024 (UTC) reply
    Yes, Category:Fictional Native American people in video games has a lot of overlap with this category. Usually the term "character" is used for video game characters instead of "Fictional people". Native American usually refers to indigenous people from the USA. It could also be used as a broader term for indigenous people from the Americas (North, Central and South America). - Artanisen ( talk) 17:54, 9 April 2024 (UTC) reply
    This shows further duplication with existing categories that can (and do) serve this purpose. -- ferret ( talk) 13:51, 11 April 2024 (UTC) reply
Merge this category into Category:Fictional Native American people in video games. AHI-3000 ( talk) 17:45, 11 April 2024 (UTC) reply
On a somewhat related subject, I think we should also discuss proposing a merger of Category:Fictional Native American women into Category:Fictional Native American people (for the same reasons that the former category Category:Fictional Jewish women was merged into Category:Fictional Jews). AHI-3000 ( talk) 17:50, 11 April 2024 (UTC) reply
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Category:Recipients of Indian civil awards and decorations

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Category:Feminist historians

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Category:Feminist philosophers

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The result of the discussion was: rename ( non-admin closure) House Blaster ( talk · he/him) 00:02, 16 April 2024 (UTC) reply
Nominator's rationale: rename to clarify that this is about feminist philosophy rather than a category of philosophers who happen to support feminism. Marcocapelle ( talk) 20:49, 8 April 2024 (UTC) reply
Support per nom. Same logic as the rename for Atheism writers to writers about atheism. Mason ( talk) 12:10, 10 April 2024 (UTC) reply
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Category:International Booker Prize winners

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The result of the discussion was: delete ( non-admin closure) House Blaster ( talk · he/him) 00:02, 16 April 2024 (UTC) reply
Nominator's rationale: WP:OCAWARD PepperBeast (talk) 20:46, 8 April 2024 (UTC) reply
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Category:Feminist theologians

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The result of the discussion was: rename ( non-admin closure) House Blaster ( talk · he/him) 20:47, 15 April 2024 (UTC) reply
Nominator's rationale: rename to clarify that this is about feminist theology rather than a category of theologians who happen to support feminism. Marcocapelle ( talk) 20:44, 8 April 2024 (UTC) reply
Support per nom. Same logic as the rename for Atheism writers to writers about atheism. Mason ( talk) 12:10, 10 April 2024 (UTC) reply
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Category:Recipients of the Sahitya Akademi Fellowship

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The result of the discussion was: delete ( non-admin closure) House Blaster ( talk · he/him) 20:47, 15 April 2024 (UTC) reply
Nominator's rationale: WP:NONDEF, WP:OCAWARD PepperBeast (talk) 20:41, 8 April 2024 (UTC) reply
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Category:People associated with identity politics

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The result of the discussion was: delete ( non-admin closure) House Blaster ( talk · he/him) 20:46, 15 April 2024 (UTC) reply
Nominator's rationale: delete, largely overlaps with the much better expanded tree of Category:Activists, which contains among others Category:Activists by ethnicity. It is also a matter of WP:OCASSOC. Marcocapelle ( talk) 20:33, 8 April 2024 (UTC) reply
  • Delete per WP:ASSOCIATEDWITH. It's also typically an accusation against an opponent, which is usually denied. Few people will proudly advocate for identity politics themselves. So per WP:SUBJECTIVECAT it should also be deleted. NLeeuw ( talk) 10:23, 11 April 2024 (UTC) reply
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Category:Odisha Sahitya Akademi

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The result of the discussion was: delete. I will manually recategorize Odisha Sahitya Akademi. (non-admin closure) House Blaster ( talk · he/him) 20:46, 15 April 2024 (UTC) reply
Nominator's rationale: Redundant category contains only one item. PepperBeast (talk) 20:31, 8 April 2024 (UTC) reply
  • Delete per nom but add the article to the parent categories manually. Marcocapelle ( talk) 05:43, 9 April 2024 (UTC) reply
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Category:Israel Prize in translation recipients

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The result of the discussion was: delete ( non-admin closure) House Blaster ( talk · he/him) 20:45, 15 April 2024 (UTC) reply
Nominator's rationale: Category contains only one article PepperBeast (talk) 20:24, 8 April 2024 (UTC) reply
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Category:Recipients of the Padma Shri in literature & education

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Recipients of the Sahitya Akademi Award

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Category:16th-century Roman Catholic church buildings in Africa

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The result of the discussion was: keep. (non-admin closure) House Blaster ( talk · he/him) 00:02, 16 April 2024 (UTC) reply
Nominator's rationale: There's not enough content to justify this level of diffusion. Please be aware that the IP making all of these requests is being extremely disruptive on CFD. And is evading their block Mason ( talk) 15:31, 31 March 2024 (UTC) reply
  • With eight and six articles respectively (and more to come) would you consider differently? 46.229.243.187 ( talk) 20:12, 3 April 2024 (UTC) reply
  • Keep. Define what's "not enough content". There are many churches in the oldest former colonies which date back to the 17th or 16th century. Meanwhile @Samasongarrison please clarify your point about IP being disruptive. 46.229.243.187 ( talk) 12:08, 2 April 2024 (UTC) reply
    To the closer, the ip is most likely: WP:LTA/HKGW Mason ( talk) 13:55, 2 April 2024 (UTC) reply
LTAHKGW? 46.229.243.187 ( talk) 20:12, 3 April 2024 (UTC) reply

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  • Considering the current content of the categories, I am withdrawing my support. Marcocapelle ( talk) 20:13, 8 April 2024 (UTC) reply
    That's fair, especially now that there's content. Mason ( talk) 12:11, 10 April 2024 (UTC) reply
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Category:16th-century Roman Catholic bishops in Portuguese Macau

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Infrastructure

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Category:French forts in the United States

Nominator's rationale: This seems anachronistic. These forts were not "in the United States" when they were built and only became so later on. User:Namiba 02:33, 22 March 2024 (UTC) reply
  • This is not only a proposed renaming but also an extension of scope; forts in New France that were not in provinces which became the United States will be covered as a result. 61.244.93.97 ( talk) 09:48, 27 March 2024 (UTC) reply
  • Which is perfectly fine. New France has never been divided in an American and a Canadian part. Marcocapelle ( talk) 07:16, 30 March 2024 (UTC) reply

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Category:Rathores

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The result of the discussion was: rename to Category:Rathore (clan). (non-admin closure) House Blaster ( talk · he/him) 18:55, 15 April 2024 (UTC) reply
Nominator's rationale: delete, Rathore is not a defining characteristic of these articles. Marcocapelle ( talk) 06:49, 21 March 2024 (UTC) reply

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  • Keep, cleanup, possibly rename. Looks defining for many pages in it. - Altenmann >talk 14:32, 29 March 2024 (UTC) reply

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Category:.io video games

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Medical schools in the Caribbean

Nominator's rationale: Merge categories with only one or two members to all parents. Rename the last WP:C2C. – Fayenatic London 08:07, 21 March 2024 (UTC) reply
@ Fayenatic london: It doesn't sound nice to lump together the BES islands with those of the CAS islands. 46.229.243.187 ( talk) 14:29, 27 March 2024 (UTC) reply
When you use terms that may not be common knowledge, please link them, e.g. BES islands and CAS islands.
Sorry if IYHO it doesn't sound nice to use Dutch Caribbean, but setting up a separate sub-hierarchy for Caribbean Netherlands would require many perpetually small categories. The best hierarchy we have is Dutch Caribbean. – Fayenatic London 17:31, 27 March 2024 (UTC) reply
  • @ Fayenatic london: IP has a point this time, Dutch Caribbean is a non-existent polity. It is merely a legacy term after the Dutch Antilles were dissolved. Marcocapelle ( talk) 20:42, 27 March 2024 (UTC) reply
    • I'm no expert on the history or current politics, I'm just looking at how our categories are structured at the moment. Would you support a split of the whole Dutch Caribbean hierarchy? If so, I suggest you make a nomination to split some representative categories at the top levels. But until that has happened, the tiny sub-topic of medical schools should follow the existing hierarchy. – Fayenatic London 21:32, 27 March 2024 (UTC) reply

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  • Well at least I still support merging, even if one of the merge targets ( Category:Medical schools in the Caribbean versus Category:Medical schools in the Dutch Caribbean) is disputable. Marcocapelle ( talk) 06:44, 30 March 2024 (UTC) reply
  • Keep Category:Medical schools in Sint Maarten and keep it under Category:Medical schools in the Caribbean and Category:Medical schools by country (along with Category:Medical schools in Curaçao and Category:Medical schools in Aruba). Group medical schools of the BES islands under Caribbean Netherlands and keep them under both Category:Medical schools in the Caribbean and Category:Medical schools in the Netherlands. 46.229.243.187 ( talk) 16:09, 31 March 2024 (UTC) reply
  • You are right about my spelling mistake and, more importantly, right about the way to solve this problem more generally. Marcocapelle ( talk) 11:19, 1 April 2024 (UTC) reply
  • Just as obiter dictum, should Category:Dutch Caribbean be kept just to hold a small number of subcategories and topics that are common to both BES and CAS (or ABC and SSS)? 46.229.243.187 ( talk) 12:02, 2 April 2024 (UTC) reply
  • It's "non-existence" yet it's a good collective term to refer to these special municipalities altogether. It's somehow like referring to an additional province although they aren't. 46.229.243.187 ( talk) 12:02, 2 April 2024 (UTC) reply

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  • A category for medical schools in the Caribbean Netherlands would be too small, as there are only 2 members in the current cats for Bonaire and Saba. If there is no consensus to merging to the intermediate level Dutch Caribbean, then revert to my original merge proposal, but omit the Netherlands category in the case of Sint Maarten. – Fayenatic London 15:04, 13 April 2024 (UTC) reply

Category:Citizens of Hungary through descent

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The result of the discussion was: manual merge. (non-admin closure) Qwerfjkl talk 17:50, 16 April 2024 (UTC) reply
Nominator's rationale: Manual purge/merge per precedent at Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2022 November 17#Category:Citizens through descent. House Blaster ( talk · he/him) 16:10, 8 April 2024 (UTC) reply
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Category:USA for Africa songs

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Category:Taxa named by Baron Cajetan von Felder

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The result of the discussion was: merge ( non-admin closure) House Blaster ( talk · he/him) 16:00, 15 April 2024 (UTC) reply
Nominator's rationale: Duplicate categories – "baron" is a mere title. Micromesistius ( talk) 11:56, 8 April 2024 (UTC) reply
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Category:Jewish nobility

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Category:Volodimerovichi family

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Category:Dos Santos family (Angolan business family)

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Category:Gender incongruence

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The result of the discussion was: disperse. (non-admin closure) Qwerfjkl talk 17:52, 16 April 2024 (UTC) reply
Nominator's rationale: Merge to Transgender and medicine. This category is a based on the ICD-11 equivalent of Gender dysphoria, and is a odd carve out of the parent category. If not merged, I think it should be renamed to Gender dysphoria because the bulk of the actual contents are about dysphoria, not incongruence. Mason ( talk) 00:15, 8 April 2024 (UTC) reply
  • Disperse, the category contains an odd mix of transgender-related and non-transgender-related articles and redirects. Marcocapelle ( talk) 05:56, 8 April 2024 (UTC) reply
  • Upmerge for now per nom. It is indeed an odd mixture. As nom says, gender incongruence is a redirect to a section in ICD-11, where it is called a synonym of gender dysphoria, but the article causes of gender incongruence claims it is the cause of gender dysphoria. At any rate, it's irregular to have a "causes of X" article if there is no main article of the same name. It also supports upmerging to a category where at least the article gender dysphoria itself can be found. NLeeuw ( talk) 06:35, 8 April 2024 (UTC) reply
  • Disperse per Marcocapelle. -sche ( talk) 02:48, 12 April 2024 (UTC) reply
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Category:People with acquired Guyanese citizenship

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The result of the discussion was: delete ( non-admin closure) Qwerfjkl talk 18:12, 15 April 2024 (UTC) reply
Nominator's rationale: I don't think any of the articles in this category actually belong here. They all appear to be birthright citizens (per Guyanese nationality law#Acquiring Guyanese nationality, having a parent with Guyanese citizenship is enough for citizenship regardless of one's place of birth). Upmerging is not needed, because they are all already in subcategories of Category:Guyanese people. House Blaster ( talk · he/him) 23:38, 7 April 2024 (UTC) reply
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Category:Political posters of Italy

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The result of the discussion was: dual merge. – Fayenatic London 12:57, 15 April 2024 (UTC) reply
Nominator's rationale: Contains only a single non-free file. – LaundryPizza03 ( d c̄) 11:57, 30 March 2024 (UTC) reply
  • Merge per nom. Marcocapelle ( talk) 13:46, 30 March 2024 (UTC) reply
  • Oppose As it is, it's a convenient way to tie it into both European posters and the politics of Italy. It's the politics of Italy that's the much stronger connection. Admittedly it's near-empty, because we generally avoid hosting media on WP, but it's also a good tie to Commons, where we have many more items. I don't see any advantage to this merge, other than a rather pointless nod to SMALLCAT. It also singles out Italy (or is the plan, as usual, to remove all countries here, one by one?) when the other countries have very few images in their similar categories. Andy Dingley ( talk) 14:51, 31 March 2024 (UTC) reply

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Dual merge. The category isn't helpful with only a page in it. Mason ( talk) 00:16, 8 April 2024 (UTC) reply
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Category:Aphex Twin songs

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Category:Non-binary lesbians

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Category:11th-century Indian medical doctors

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The result of the discussion was: merge as nominated, with the exception of merging to Category:Indian medical doctors in place of Category:Medieval Indian medical doctors. (non-admin closure) House Blaster ( talk · he/him) 16:13, 15 April 2024 (UTC) reply
Nominator's rationale: There are only a handful of Medieval medical doctors from India. I think we should upmerge for now until there's a critical mass Mason ( talk) 17:12, 17 March 2024 (UTC) reply
  • Comment: Indian in "Indian people" may or may not be associated the modern Republic of India. 185.104.63.112 ( talk) 20:55, 22 March 2024 (UTC) reply
    I don't understand that point you are trying to make. No one is saying these doctors are from the modern Republic of India. Mason ( talk) 21:01, 22 March 2024 (UTC) reply
  • Category:Indian people by century feeds ultimately to Category:Indian people and thereupon Category:India (and not any other modern-day successors). Are these physicians Indian if we are to equate India with the ROI? 185.104.63.112 ( talk) 21:28, 22 March 2024 (UTC) reply
    Ok, so I think I now understand what's happening with your dispute over Hong Kong versus China. That's not how nationality works for nesting. So there's no built-in assumption with categories that people nested in India are necessarily citizens of the modern nation of India. Mason ( talk) 21:47, 22 March 2024 (UTC) reply

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  • Renaming Indian to South Asian would require a broader discussion. The current nomination is about a much smaller issue. Marcocapelle ( talk) 21:25, 25 March 2024 (UTC) reply
  • It looks like one of the entries is about a doctor who was Bengali. 61.244.93.97 ( talk) 09:43, 28 March 2024 (UTC) reply
  • So what? All Bengali people were Indian people until 1947. It is not a mistake that Chakrapani Datta is currently in Category:11th-century Indian people. Marcocapelle ( talk) 06:03, 8 April 2024 (UTC) reply

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I'm fine with the alternative target. Mason ( talk) 21:44, 7 April 2024 (UTC) reply
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Category:Fictional characters by political orientation

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Category:Indian scientific authors

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The result of the discussion was: delete. (non-admin closure) House Blaster ( talk · he/him) 00:04, 15 April 2024 (UTC) reply
Nominator's rationale: Non-defining intersection dual upmerge; the category description is part of the job of being an academic. The description says says: "Indian scientists who contribute their scientific publications, among others in scientific journals and magazines, in biology, chemistry and physics, and so on. authors who write scientific books etc, may be categorized in the related scientific fields at Category:Indian science writers." Mason ( talk) 19:27, 7 April 2024 (UTC) reply
  • Just delete, articles are already in more specific academics categories if applicable and ought to be in Category:Indian science writers if that is applicable. If anyone wants to volunteer to check more than 400 articles manually in order to find very few articles that aren't properly categorized yet then by all means, but I don't think we should make that a requirement. Marcocapelle ( talk) 19:54, 7 April 2024 (UTC) reply
    Good point. Delete is fine with me. Mason ( talk) 00:34, 8 April 2024 (UTC) reply
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Category:Welsh bisexual people by occupation

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The result of the discussion was: merge ( non-admin closure) House Blaster ( talk · he/him) 00:03, 15 April 2024 (UTC) reply
Nominator's rationale: Upmerge for now. There's only one (underpopulated) occupation in here, which is not helpful for navigation Mason ( talk) 19:08, 7 April 2024 (UTC) reply
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Category:War criminals by nationality

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The result of the discussion was: keep. (non-admin closure) House Blaster ( talk · he/him) 01:34, 15 April 2024 (UTC) reply
Nominator's rationale: These are the same thing. Am I missing something? If I'm not, I'm happy to add the rest of the categories to the list. Mason ( talk) 18:23, 7 April 2024 (UTC) reply
Oppose. These categories are meant for war criminals who were never formally convicted of war crimes. It exists for the same reason why Category:War criminals is seperate from Category:People convicted of war crimes. AHI-3000 ( talk) 18:27, 7 April 2024 (UTC) reply
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Category:LGBT asexual people

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The result of the discussion was: delete/merge ( non-admin closure) Qwerfjkl talk 18:20, 15 April 2024 (UTC) reply
Nominator's rationale: Redundant, as all intersex people are LGBT. Editor has been warned about their alternative definition of LGBTQI+ User talk:Bohemian Baltimore#Category:Pansexual women#Aromanticism and Asexuality are the A of LGBTQIA+ and Intersex is the I and is inherently an LGBTQIA+ identity. (Also for the emtied categories, I've nominated them to make it clear that the category shouldn't be recreated Mason ( talk) 18:15, 7 April 2024 (UTC) reply
Support a merger as well. The fact these were created WITHOUT much discussion is deeply unfortunate and needs to be reversed. I would also say that the said user needs to be warned. Historyday01 ( talk) 02:58, 8 April 2024 (UTC) reply
@ Smasongarrison No, they aren't. There are plenty of asexuals who identify also as lesbian, gay, bi, or transgender. There are plenty of asexuals who identify as cis and heteroromantic / straight. Wikipedia should not erase queer asexuals. Being both queer and asexuals is a non-trivial intersection, a minority within a minority. There's a reason that terms like homoromantic and biromantic are used in the asexual community; because asexuals queers exist. Likewise, it is flat out false that all intersex people are LGBT. There are plenty of intersex people who identify as cisgender heterosexuals. Being both intersex and LGBT is likewise a meaningful and defining intersection of two oppressed identities. Bohemian Baltimore ( talk) 10:21, 10 April 2024 (UTC) reply
  • Support - As proposed (disclosure, I was the user that warned them about their misinformed interpretation of LGBTQIA+ at User talk:Bohemian Baltimore#Aromanticism and Asexuality are the A of LGBTQIA+ and Intersex is the I and is inherently an LGBTQIA+ identity and manually emptied the LGBT aromantic people category aready). Raladic ( talk) 19:00, 7 April 2024 (UTC) reply
  • Support —  OwenBlacker (he/him; Talk) 18:58, 7 April 2024 (UTC) reply
  • Support per nom, but do not merge to Category:Gay men because articles are already in the tree of Category:Gay men by nationality and/or by occupation. Marcocapelle ( talk) 20:09, 7 April 2024 (UTC) reply
    Seconding this. I've gone through and checked, and all the members of the "Asexual gay men" category are already in other branches of the "Gay men" category tree, so they only need to be merged to "Asexual men" ForsythiaJo ( talk) 20:59, 7 April 2024 (UTC) reply
    Keep asexual gay men, merge the rest, per Marco. -- MikutoH talk! 23:20, 7 April 2024 (UTC) reply
    How is "Keep asexual gay men" in line with what Marco says? A triple intersection like this is a tough sell under EGRS. Mason ( talk) 00:24, 8 April 2024 (UTC) reply
    • Keep is not in line with what I said. Marcocapelle ( talk) 06:26, 8 April 2024 (UTC) reply
      I misread and confused with another commenter in the intersex thread saying "...with exception of...". Anyways it's not a triple intersection essentially, since both identities can complement each other. -- MikutoH talk! 00:30, 9 April 2024 (UTC) reply
  • Support per nom. ForsythiaJo ( talk) 20:56, 7 April 2024 (UTC) reply
  • Support, already covered by LGBTQIA terminology and shouldn't be othered in the category trees. Suonii180 ( talk) 23:26, 7 April 2024 (UTC) reply
  • Oppose I strongly oppose the erasure of asexual and intersex people who are gay, lesbian, bisexual, or transgender and the subsequent eradication of any categories that mention LGBT intersex and asexual people. Being both LGBT and intersex or LGBT and asexual is a relevant and defining intersection of two oppressed groups, a minority within a minority. Likewise, there are many intersex people who identify as cis/hetero or straight and many asexuals who identify as cis/heteroromantic or straight. Bohemian Baltimore ( talk) 10:33, 10 April 2024 (UTC) reply
    Your error stems from the misunderstanding that is how we consider LGBT as encompassng all parts of the LGBTQIA+ umbrella per current Wikipedia consensus. It just hasn't been renamed because consensus for what to rename it to (LGBT vs LGBTQ vs LGBTQ+ and so on) has been difficult (you can find a whole lot of history of rename discussions at LGBT.
    Since Asexual, Aromantic and and Intersex are inherently part of that community umbrella, it is redundant to say that someone who is Asexual is also LGBTQIA+ with a different category, hence the categories you created misrepresent this and imply that they were not already part of the umbrella by othering them out. Raladic ( talk) 14:15, 10 April 2024 (UTC) reply
  • Support, per nom assuming the nominator meant to say "asexual" and not "intersex" (AFAICT all of the categories listed above are about "asexual", not "intersex"); in any case, I support ditching the weird "LGBT asexual" categories (either merging them per nom, or just removing them if the articles are already better categorized in other ways as Marcocapelle suggests). -sche ( talk) 02:20, 12 April 2024 (UTC) reply
  • Comment Category:LGBT aromantic people was an empty category due to be deleted on Sunday. Why did you make it part of this CFD discussion when it was already going to be deleted? Did you not see the CSD tag on the page? Liz Read! Talk! 07:16, 14 April 2024 (UTC) reply
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Category:Intersex transgender people

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Category:Wikipedians by sexuality

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The result of the discussion was: merge. There is consensus that this category should not exist, but there is no consensus on whether Category:Wikipedians who reject a sexual preference label‎ should be in the merge target ( Category:LGBT+ Wikipedians). Because that is a concern more suited to the talk page than a full-blown CfD, further discussion on the categorization of Category:Wikipedians who reject a sexual preference label‎ can take place at Category talk:Category:Wikipedians who reject a sexual preference label‎. (non-admin closure) House Blaster ( talk · he/him) 16:09, 15 April 2024 (UTC) reply
Nominator's rationale: This seems unhelpful for navigation Mason ( talk) 17:49, 7 April 2024 (UTC) reply
  • Support —  OwenBlacker (he/him; Talk) 18:58, 7 April 2024 (UTC) reply
  • Support - Raladic ( talk) 19:19, 7 April 2024 (UTC) reply
  • Support per WP:OVERLAPCAT but purge the last subcategory. Marcocapelle ( talk) 20:14, 7 April 2024 (UTC) reply
  • Oppose People who "who reject a sexual preference label" are very explicitly not defining themselves as LGBT, so that subcat doesn't belong in the LGBT category. Second, not all asexuals identify as L, G, B or T. Plenty of asexuals are cisgender and identify as straight or heteroromantic. Erasing queer asexuals is homophobic and transphobic. Being both queer and asexual is a relevant intersection. Bohemian Baltimore ( talk) 10:12, 10 April 2024 (UTC) reply
    Please see the above comment by Raladic "LGBT [i]s encompassng all parts of the LGBTQIA+ umbrella per current Wikipedia consensus." No one is erasing queer people or asexual people with these categories. As a queer person, I appreciate your concern about representation. However, I think calling the current category homophobic and transphobic is missing the point. Mason ( talk) 18:45, 10 April 2024 (UTC) reply
    @ Smasongarrison We could avoid the debate over whether all asexuals and all intersex people are LGBT by merging the LGBT asexuals and LGBT intersex people categories, but keeping the categories for people who specifically identify as gay, lesbian, bisexual, or transgender. As a non-heterosexual and non-cisgender member of the LGBTQ community, representation is indeed my concern. Thank you. Although, wouldn't people who reject a label by definition also be rejecting an LGBT label? Bohemian Baltimore ( talk) 22:07, 10 April 2024 (UTC) reply
    I don't understand what you're trying to get at with your rhetorical questions. Mason ( talk) 22:14, 10 April 2024 (UTC) reply
    @ Smasongarrison There's a single question. Why should people who reject a label be labeled as LGBT, per your baffling insistence that no label = LGBT? That doesn't add up. That doesn't make sense. Bohemian Baltimore ( talk) 22:32, 10 April 2024 (UTC) reply
  • I oppose a merger, but would be fine with simply deleting the "by sexuality" category. I can't support a merger, because the categories, as named, have different scopes, and I'm not talking about the question of whether LGBT includes B, or L, or A, or whatnot, I'm talking about the other category: heterosexuality (for example) is a sexuality, but not (in most cases) "LGBT", so "Wikipedians by sexuality"—as presently named—is scoping itself to somethng broader than "LGBT Wikipedians". However, "Heterosexual Wikipedians" has been deleted for not being related to improving articles, and "Wikipedians who reject a sexual preference label" says (for better or worse) that it's only for LGBT-aligned people, so I see that there's nothing but LGBT sexualities to go in the "by sexuality" category, making it useless/redundant to the "LGBT Wikipedians" category, so I am fine with just deleting the "by sexuality" category. -sche ( talk) 02:41, 12 April 2024 (UTC) reply
  • @ -sche: in this case, technically, a merger and a deletion is almost the same, because all subcategories except the last one are already in the target. So deletion in contrast to merge just translates as "don't put Wikipedians who reject a sexual preference label under Category:LGBT+ Wikipedians". Marcocapelle ( talk) 06:36, 12 April 2024 (UTC) reply
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Category:Transgender women by sexual orientation

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The result of the discussion was: merge as nominated (in the updated nomination). (non-admin closure) House Blaster ( talk · he/him) 23:59, 14 April 2024 (UTC) reply
Nominator's rationale: Upmerge. per /info/en/?search=Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2024_February_2#LGBT_people_by_sexual_orientation_and_nationality Mason ( talk) 17:34, 7 April 2024 (UTC) reply
I support this upmerger as proposed. It would be more useful to users this way. Historyday01 ( talk) 03:00, 8 April 2024 (UTC) reply
  • It would be more in line with recent CfD outcomes ( [1] [2] [3] [4]) to eliminate the newly created Category:Transgender people by sexual orientation rather than merging into it. It's just another unhelpful intermediate category level.-- Trystan ( talk) 17:58, 7 April 2024 (UTC) reply
    Let me add that to the nom! @ Trystan: Mason ( talk) 18:08, 7 April 2024 (UTC) reply
    Thanks. I support as revised.-- Trystan ( talk) 18:36, 7 April 2024 (UTC) reply
  • Support —  OwenBlacker (he/him; Talk) 18:58, 7 April 2024 (UTC) reply
  • Support - Raladic ( talk) 19:19, 7 April 2024 (UTC) reply
  • Merge, the first two are redundant category layer with only a few subcategories. The last is an odd mix of very unrelated subcategories. Marcocapelle ( talk) 20:18, 7 April 2024 (UTC) reply
    Merge, but also reparent subcategories in Category:Transgender people by sexual orientation (as well as transgender lesbians and transgender gay men) to Category:Transgender sexuality as well. Please tag/sort them to be grouped to gether -- MikutoH talk! 23:24, 7 April 2024 (UTC) reply
  • Oppose Being gay, lesbian, or bisexual is defining. There's no reason to erase gay/lesbian and bi people within the trans community. Being both queer (sexually) and trans is a double minority. It is relevant and defining, not a trivial intersection. Bohemian Baltimore ( talk) 10:08, 10 April 2024 (UTC) reply
    No one is erasing being both a gender and sexual minority. The merging of the category places both elements on equal footing in the main category rather than isolating each. Mason ( talk) 12:07, 10 April 2024 (UTC) reply
    Nothing is erased, people can be part of multiple, separate categories as is already the case. Raladic ( talk) 14:26, 10 April 2024 (UTC) reply
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Category:Category:Overseas Chinese Presidents

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Category:Indian massacres

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Category:Genocidal massacres

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The result of the discussion was: delete ( non-admin closure) House Blaster ( talk · he/him) 23:57, 14 April 2024 (UTC) reply
Nominator's rationale: Appears to be WP:SUBJECTIVECAT - the genocidal massacre article doesn't offer a firm number-based benchmark and it could be rightfully stated that any sizeable massacre is genocidal. As such, that categorization also opens the gates for original research. Brandmeister talk 14:00, 7 April 2024 (UTC) reply
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Sexism

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The result of the discussion was: merge ( non-admin closure) House Blaster ( talk · he/him) 16:14, 15 April 2024 (UTC) reply
Nominator's rationale: merge, redundant category layer with only one article and one subcategory each. Marcocapelle ( talk) 12:06, 7 April 2024 (UTC) reply
  • Merge per nom, WP:OVERLAPCAT. Brandmeister talk 14:02, 7 April 2024 (UTC) reply
  • Support —  OwenBlacker (he/him; Talk) 18:58, 7 April 2024 (UTC) reply
  • Upmerge for now without prejudice per nom. NLeeuw ( talk) 00:29, 10 April 2024 (UTC) reply
  • Oppose: Category:Sexism by country in general provides easy navigation for related article per country. Having one article in a cat is not a solid ground for merger or deletion especially as most of these countries in the nom has very low coverage here, which can be improved rather than erased. In general I do not think the merger will improve anything but will limit the reader access to the entries from this countries at Category:Sexism by country FuzzyMagma ( talk) 10:46, 10 April 2024 (UTC) reply
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Wollaton Wagonway

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The result of the discussion was: merge ( non-admin closure) House Blaster ( talk · he/him) 23:57, 14 April 2024 (UTC) reply
Nominator's rationale: merge, isolated year categories. Marcocapelle ( talk) 11:59, 7 April 2024 (UTC) reply
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Category:Conservative Judaism in the United Kingdom

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The result of the discussion was: rename ( non-admin closure) House Blaster ( talk · he/him) 23:57, 14 April 2024 (UTC) reply
Nominator's rationale: "Conservative" has a party-political meaning in the United Kingdom and is therefore an inappropriate description for what is known as Masorti Judaism in the UK. For instance, in the bio on Maurice Glasman, Baron Glasman, who is a prominent member of Masorti UK, he should be categorised as a British Conservative Jew, but that doesn't sit easily with him being also a prominent member of the British Labour Party. Headhitter ( talk) 09:20, 7 April 2024 (UTC) reply
  • Rename per nom. I note that main article Conservative Judaism says Conservative Judaism (known as Masorti Judaism outside North America). The UK is outside North America, so Masorti Judaism makes sense for this catname. NLeeuw ( talk) 09:48, 7 April 2024 (UTC) reply
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Category:Eastern European diaspora in the United States

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The result of the discussion was: merge ( non-admin closure) House Blaster ( talk · he/him) 23:52, 14 April 2024 (UTC) reply
Nominator's rationale: WP:OVERLAPCAT WP:ARBITRARYCAT. Home-made definition of "Eastern European", ranging from Azerbaijani to Montenegrin to Czech to Estonian; it has no siblings like Category:Western European diaspora in the United States or Category:Southern European diaspora in the United States (it seems that everything except Italy, Greece, Cyprus and Turkey is considered "Eastern European" already). NLeeuw ( talk) 09:36, 7 April 2024 (UTC) reply
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Category:Indo-Bangladesh joint production films

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The result of the discussion was: delete ( non-admin closure) House Blaster ( talk · he/him) 23:52, 14 April 2024 (UTC) reply
Nominator's rationale: Recreation at a slightly different name of a category previously deleted per Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2022 June 21#Category:American-Canadian joint production. Films that are joint productions of more than one country are certainly categorized for each relevant country on its own, but do not get special "X+Y joint production" categories -- since there are close to 200 countries in the world and all of their film industries engage in some degree of multinational coproduction with other countries' film industries, scaling this out to its logical endpoint would require the creation of between 30 to 40 thousand categories for every possible combination of two countries. And then we would have to start catting for three-country, four-country and five-country combos too, which is just an untenable nightmare. Bearcat ( talk) 04:00, 7 April 2024 (UTC) reply
  • Delete, per nom, and joint production is also a trivial characteristic of a film. Marcocapelle ( talk) 05:40, 7 April 2024 (UTC) reply
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Category:Unrecognized tribes in the United States

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Category:Griffith family

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The result of the discussion was: just deleted by User:Liz ( non-admin closure) Marcocapelle ( talk) 05:58, 7 April 2024 (UTC) reply
Nominator's rationale: This category was supposed to be deleted on March 20 and again on April 3. Something's not working. Yours6700 ( talk) 01:05, 7 April 2024 (UTC) reply
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Category:Academics of the College of the Resurrection

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The result of the discussion was: keep. (non-admin closure) House Blaster ( talk · he/him) 23:52, 14 April 2024 (UTC) reply
Nominator's rationale: To match other staff categories in Category:Bible colleges, seminaries and theological colleges in England Gaia Octavia Agrippa Talk 14:14, 22 March 2024 (UTC) reply
Comment. But the parent category is Academics by university or college in England. Staff has a *very* different meaning. From looking at the contents, these people are academics. If anything, I think that other categories should be renamed to reflect that these folks are academic staff/faculty. Mason ( talk) 20:29, 22 March 2024 (UTC) reply

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
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Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
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I update my vote to oppose. Mason ( talk) 18:37, 7 April 2024 (UTC) reply
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Category:2023 Marrakesh-Safi earthquake

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The result of the discussion was: rename to Category:2023 Al Haouz earthquake with no prejudice against speedy renomination for deletion. (non-admin closure) House Blaster ( talk · he/him) 23:51, 14 April 2024 (UTC) reply
Nominator's rationale: Per main article move. Article's name is now 2023 Al Haouz earthquake. WikiCleanerMan ( talk) 12:30, 22 March 2024 (UTC) reply
  • Delete, redundant category layer, there is nothing in the category but the main article and the above subcategory. If kept of course rename, then it is a simple matter of WP:C2D. Marcocapelle ( talk) 14:19, 22 March 2024 (UTC) reply

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Rename or delete?
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Comment If deleted, it'll leave the subcat as the only one without a main category. But I'm still for renaming. -- WikiCleanerMan ( talk) 23:58, 30 March 2024 (UTC) reply

  • The subcat still has three other parent categories. Marcocapelle ( talk) 13:42, 31 March 2024 (UTC) reply

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: More participation would be very much appreciated :) If there is no further participation by next week, I think a rename (per WP:C2D) with no prejudice against speedy renomination for deletion is the appropriate close.
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Rename. I think that there's now just enough to support a category, but I don't feel strongly. Mason ( talk) 19:10, 7 April 2024 (UTC) reply
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April 6

Category:Mohave tribe

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Category:WikiProject Film banner templates with categories disabled

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The result of the discussion was: delete. (non-admin closure) House Blaster ( talk · he/him) 04:20, 14 April 2024 (UTC) reply
Nominator's rationale: Outdated maintenance tracking category no longer populated by the template that formerly used it. Previously, {{ WikiProject Film}} had complex coding that created categories for whether each film met various individual class-rating criteria or not, and would populate this category if any or all of those were disabled -- but that's long since been deprecated and removed, so that the template no longer features any code that would add this category, and thus never files anything in it.
So it can always be recreated at a later date if it's ever needed again for some new purpose, but there's no real need for it to sit permanently empty if it isn't actually being used anymore. Bearcat ( talk) 19:55, 6 April 2024 (UTC) reply
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Category:Sogdian metalworking

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The result of the discussion was: merge to Category:Sogdian art. (non-admin closure) House Blaster ( talk · he/him) 04:19, 14 April 2024 (UTC) reply
Nominator's rationale: Dual upmerge. There's only one page in here, which isn't helpful for navigation Mason ( talk) 18:33, 6 April 2024 (UTC) reply
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Tunnels

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The result of the discussion was: merge ( non-admin closure) House Blaster ( talk · he/him) 04:16, 14 April 2024 (UTC) reply
Nominator's rationale: merge, isolated year categories. Marcocapelle ( talk) 17:44, 6 April 2024 (UTC) reply
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Category:People from the Manipur Kingdom

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The result of the discussion was: delete. I have added the article to Category:People from Manipur. (non-admin closure) House Blaster ( talk · he/him) 04:18, 14 April 2024 (UTC) reply
Nominator's rationale: delete, redundant category layer with only one subcategory and one article. Move the article to Category:People from Manipur. Marcocapelle ( talk) 16:14, 6 April 2024 (UTC) reply
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Category:21st-century Algerian inventors

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The result of the discussion was: merge ( non-admin closure) House Blaster ( talk · he/him) 04:15, 14 April 2024 (UTC) reply
Nominator's rationale: Dual upmerge for now. There's only one person in the entire Algerian inventors tree Mason ( talk) 16:07, 6 April 2024 (UTC) reply
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Category:Nobility from Manipur

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The result of the discussion was: delete ( non-admin closure) House Blaster ( talk · he/him) 04:15, 14 April 2024 (UTC) reply
Nominator's rationale: Complete overlap with Category:Meitei princesses and Category:Princesses of Manipur. PepperBeast (talk) 14:10, 6 April 2024 (UTC) reply
  • Delete per nom. No objection to recreate the category when some articles about Manipur nobles (beyond royalty) will be available. Marcocapelle ( talk) 16:20, 6 April 2024 (UTC) reply
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Category:Languages with Linglist code

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Category:Officially used writing systems of India

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The result of the discussion was: delete. Noting that the opposition was withdrawn with the edit summary On second thought, restating my earlier contribution reflecting Marcocapelle's remarks. (non-admin closure) House Blaster ( talk · he/him) 04:24, 14 April 2024 (UTC) reply
Nominator's rationale: WP:NONDEF. It's also basically nonsense. These are the writing systems used to write the schedule 8 languages of India, but they're mostly just conventional scripts, not "Official". PepperBeast (talk) 14:05, 6 April 2024 (UTC) reply
  • Keep on administrative grounds.Note for context A recent nomination of the corresponding article ended with no consensus (though the article has since been moved to a more concise title). Pertinent points appear in that discussion. Participants in this discussion ought to read through that discussion for context. In any event, the article survived and the category is no less justifiable than the article. Largoplazo ( talk) 16:04, 6 April 2024 (UTC) reply
  • Delete, not a defining characteristic. The fact that there is an article is not a relevant argument, not for every article there is also a category. Marcocapelle ( talk) 16:24, 6 April 2024 (UTC) reply
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Category:Beauty goddesses

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Category:Moirang

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The result of the discussion was: delete. Noting Category:Bishnupur district was already added to Thangjing Temple, Moirang by Pepperbeast. (non-admin closure) House Blaster ( talk · he/him) 04:14, 14 April 2024 (UTC) reply
Nominator's rationale: Tiny category containing two articles. Delete without prejudice. PepperBeast (talk) 13:55, 6 April 2024 (UTC) reply
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Category:Organisations based in Thoubal

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The result of the discussion was: delete ( non-admin closure) House Blaster ( talk · he/him) 04:12, 14 April 2024 (UTC) reply
Nominator's rationale: Category of one item. Delete without prejudice. PepperBeast (talk) 13:50, 6 April 2024 (UTC) reply
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Category:Organisations based in Jiribam

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The result of the discussion was: delete ( non-admin closure) House Blaster ( talk · he/him) 04:12, 14 April 2024 (UTC) reply
Nominator's rationale: Category of one item. Delete without prejudice. PepperBeast (talk) 13:50, 6 April 2024 (UTC) reply
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Category:9th-century bishops in the Carolingian Empire

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The result of the discussion was: merge ( non-admin closure) House Blaster ( talk · he/him) 04:16, 14 April 2024 (UTC) reply
Nominator's rationale: merge, the Carolingian Empire existed from 800 to 888 so there is no reason to diffuse it by century. Marcocapelle ( talk) 13:45, 6 April 2024 (UTC) reply
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Category:Judith of Flanders

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The result of the discussion was: delete ( non-admin closure) House Blaster ( talk · he/him) 04:12, 14 April 2024 (UTC) reply
Nominator's rationale: delete per WP:OCEPON, redundant category layer with only the main article and a subcategory. Marcocapelle ( talk) 13:40, 6 April 2024 (UTC) reply
Support per nom and as category creator. Mason ( talk) 13:48, 6 April 2024 (UTC) reply
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Category:Pages using WikiProject Fossorials with unknown parameters

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The result of the discussion was: delete. (non-admin closure) House Blaster ( talk · he/him) 04:11, 14 April 2024 (UTC) reply
Nominator's rationale: Wikipedia:WikiProject Fossorials was userfied per Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/Wikipedia:WikiProject Fossorials - this maintenance category depends on a now non-existant WikiProject Harryboyles 11:31, 6 April 2024 (UTC) reply
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Category:Former streets and street names in Los Angeles

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The result of the discussion was: delete ( non-admin closure) House Blaster ( talk · he/him) 04:16, 14 April 2024 (UTC) reply
Nominator's rationale: delete, there are only three redirects, this is not helpful for navigation between articles. Marcocapelle ( talk) 07:54, 6 April 2024 (UTC) reply
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Category:Bridges completed in 1192

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The result of the discussion was: merge ( non-admin closure) House Blaster ( talk · he/him) 04:16, 14 April 2024 (UTC) reply
Nominator's rationale: merge, isolated year categories. Marcocapelle ( talk) 06:21, 6 April 2024 (UTC) reply
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Category:Dams completed in 1600

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The result of the discussion was: merge ( non-admin closure) House Blaster ( talk · he/him) 04:16, 14 April 2024 (UTC) reply
Nominator's rationale: merge, isolated year category. Marcocapelle ( talk) 06:16, 6 April 2024 (UTC) reply
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Category:Tigers in Meitei culture

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Category:Disasters in Germany by province or territory

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The result of the discussion was: merge/delete as nominated. (non-admin closure) House Blaster ( talk · he/him) 05:32, 14 April 2024 (UTC) reply
Nominator's rationale: unnecessary category tree created by a disruptive editor Mason ( talk) 02:25, 6 April 2024 (UTC) reply
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Category:Films about fictional secret intelligence agencies

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The result of the discussion was: merge ( non-admin closure) House Blaster ( talk · he/him) 04:09, 14 April 2024 (UTC) reply
Nominator's rationale: Overlapping categories Mason ( talk) 02:23, 6 April 2024 (UTC) reply
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Category:Sahitya Akademi recognised languages

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The result of the discussion was: delete ( non-admin closure) House Blaster ( talk · he/him) 04:08, 14 April 2024 (UTC) reply
Nominator's rationale: WP:NONDEF. PepperBeast (talk) 02:09, 6 April 2024 (UTC) reply
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Free sex

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Category:Sikh military

Nominator's rationale: Renaming (A) may be a good idea because of parents Category:Sikh Empire and Category:Military by former country, and siblings in Category:Military by former country. However, as @ Marcocapelle pointed out at Speedy, this requires more discussion because there is lots of content in the category that pre-dates the Sikh Empire. Moreover, Dharamyudh (Sikhism) (an article I wrote some years ago) is a religious concept, and does not belong solely to the Sikh Empire as a state. Alternately, we could also decide that this is just an WP:ARBITRARYCAT that should be deleted (B). Also, I think that the two recently created children Category:Military units and formations of the Sikhs and Category:Wars involving the Sikhs may be WP:ARBITRARYCATs, which will also have to be renamed (A) or deleted (B). Category:Sikh warriors may be a valid category (if it passes WP:EGRS), but not all those within the military of the Sikh Empire were necessarily adherents of Sikhism, so unless renamed & rescoped, that subcategory should be removed from this tree. Please indicate your preference, as both seem workable solutions to the current issues. NLeeuw ( talk) 14:25, 19 April 2024 (UTC) reply
  • Oppose. This is a difficult one, because the Sikhs dominated (parts of) Punjab, but did not have a consistent political structure in that region during the two centuries that this category tree is about. They did have military though, to defend their territories. The period covers the Early Mughal–Sikh wars until the Afghan–Sikh wars and it is only during the latter wars that there was first a Sikh Confederacy and later a Sikh Empire. Deletion or purging would certainly be counter-productive because it would arbitrarily break the military history of the region. At most diffuse by different periods. An alternative in a completely different direction is renaming to Category:Sikh military (1621–1849). Marcocapelle ( talk) 15:14, 19 April 2024 (UTC) reply
    I really don't think we should be categorising military history by religious denomination. That's kinda like creating Category:Anabaptist military and then throwing Münster rebellion and Anabaptist riot in there, as if those were carried out by the Armed Forces of the same "state". They weren't.
    We could split up by state, e.g. Category:Wars involving the Sikh Confederacy and Category:Wars involving the Sikh Empire. I would definitely support that. I could add that as Option C to the nom. NLeeuw ( talk) 20:01, 19 April 2024 (UTC) reply
    • The comparison with Anabaptists is unfair because the two articles you mentioned are situated at two different places and the Anabaptists held power in only one of them. Hypothetically, if they would have maintained longer in Münster, and if there they would have been called "the Anabaptists" by historians as belligerant in wars, then by all means Category:Anabaptist military would have been a valid category. Marcocapelle ( talk) 05:17, 20 April 2024 (UTC) reply
      I think it is fair, because as you mentioned, the Sikh Empire is a different state than the Sikh Confederacy, and formations such as the Akal Sena are even older, but did not yet have their own state; they were in rebellion against the Mughal Empire. (I suppose that's what you are referring to by your suggestion to start counting form 1621?).
      At any rate, we should avoid categorising military personnel by religion per WP:EGRS. A military or armed group is either always connected to a state, or usually intends to form its own state or quasi-state, and sometimes already operates a proto-state or quasi-state (even gangs and mafia can have territories of influence where they extract 'protection money', i.e. tribute). (It is for this reason that we have maintained Military personnel of Fooland rather than Military personnel from Fooland conventions; their service to Fooland defines them, not their birth or residence in Fooland).
      The Akal Sena was such a group, whose military aspects were defined by their loyalty to Guru Hargobind, and their pursuit to establish an independent Sikh state (the First Sikh State arose in 1709). The personal religious beliefs of the individual soldiers in the Akal Sena are WP:NONDEFINING for the group as a military force in service of a guru and a proto-state in the Punjab region. NLeeuw ( talk) 10:42, 20 April 2024 (UTC) reply
      • It may have started as a rebellion, but so did the Dutch Republic which is in retrospect said to have started in the 1570s while it was only recognized by Spain in 1648. There is usually a grey area between rebellion and independence. For the Sikhs independence presumably started in 1606 with the Akal Takht and the first battle against the Mughal Empire taking place in 1621, the Battle of Rohilla. Marcocapelle ( talk) 12:13, 20 April 2024 (UTC) reply
  • See also this follow up discussion. Marcocapelle ( talk) 08:55, 20 April 2024 (UTC) reply

Category:People's peers

Nominator's rationale: The term " people's peers" is chiefly informal, while the new title is unambiguous as to its scope and resembles other similar category names, e.g. "Peers appointed by [monarch]". —  RAVENPVFF · talk · 13:49, 19 April 2024 (UTC) reply

Category:Biota of Tierra del Fuego

Nominator's rationale: Just delete for now without prejudice. It's a redundant layer and its only child is already in all the trees of this cat's parents. NLeeuw ( talk) 13:35, 19 April 2024 (UTC) reply

Category:Southern Cone countries

Nominator's rationale: WP:ARBITRARYCAT. There is no universal definition of Southern Cone; Paraguay is sometimes included, sometimes excluded, and only some Federative units of Brazil are sometimes included, sometimes excluded, but never is Brazil as a whole included. Even if we take the strict definition of just Argentina, Chile and Uruguay, that's only three countries, and this category has no other navigational value. Its parent Category:Countries in South America by region only has this child, so that was a redundant layer anyway, and should be deleted as well. NLeeuw ( talk) 13:30, 19 April 2024 (UTC) reply
  • Delete, there are only 12 countries in South America so that does not require diffusion. Marcocapelle ( talk) 15:35, 19 April 2024 (UTC) reply

Category:Southern cone music

Nominator's rationale: Main article was deleted as WP:OR: Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Southern cone music. The remainder may be upmerged to Category:Music of South America. NLeeuw ( talk) 13:21, 19 April 2024 (UTC) reply

Category:Haitian people of Mulatto descent

Nominator's rationale: rename per article Mulatto Haitians. It probably is a case of WP:C2D speedy renaming, but maybe there are objections. Marcocapelle ( talk) 07:35, 19 April 2024 (UTC) reply

Maratha Empire

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The result of the discussion was: delete. – Fayenatic London 11:54, 27 April 2024 (UTC) reply
Nominator's rationale: delete, isolated year categories. No need to merge, the articles are still in Category:1782 in India and Category:1792 in India, and already in Category:Treaties of the Maratha Empire. Marcocapelle ( talk) 07:22, 19 April 2024 (UTC) reply
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Category:Jewish history by region

Nominator's rationale: rename per actual content. Marcocapelle ( talk) 06:01, 19 April 2024 (UTC) reply

Category:20th-century Andorran people by occupation

Nominator's rationale: There's no need to have a by occupation category when there's only one occupation Mason ( talk) 00:26, 19 April 2024 (UTC) reply


April 18

Category:Chicago television shows

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The result of the discussion was: rename to Category:Original programming by local channels in Chicago. (non-admin closure) Qwerfjkl talk 12:09, 27 April 2024 (UTC) reply
Nominator's rationale: Current name is way too close to Category:Television shows set in Chicago and much too vague given its actual, very specific meaning, and needs to be changed. This suggestion is based on Category:Local television programming in the United States, and it's probably the best I can come up with, though alternate suggestions are very welcome. Similar issue exists for all of Television in Cleveland, Detroit, Minnesota, Philadelphia, St. Louis, and the San Francisco Bay Area, so this nomination could be expanded. QuietHere ( talk | contributions) 21:51, 18 April 2024 (UTC) reply
Support. I think I created this, it's hard to tell after a few name changes. The intent was to list shows made by local channels. The existing categories and subcategory support this. Fuddle ( talk) 01:36, 19 April 2024 (UTC) reply
Flip-flop: I like this idea better. It's longer, but more precise. Fuddle ( talk) 21:35, 19 April 2024 (UTC) reply
I'm not opposed to this, even if it's a bit of a mouthful. QuietHere ( talk | contributions) 23:10, 19 April 2024 (UTC) reply
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Category:Habitats Directive Species

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Category:Shabbat observant businesses

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The result of the discussion was: delete ( non-admin closure) Queen of ♡ | speak 21:26, 19 April 2024 (UTC) reply
Nominator's rationale: I think "Shabbat observant" is a compound adjective that should have a hyphen. 123.51.107.94 ( talk) 00:37, 11 April 2024 (UTC) reply

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Delete per Marco Mason ( talk) 13:41, 19 April 2024 (UTC) reply
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Category:Religious extremism

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The result of the discussion was: rename ( non-admin closure) House Blaster ( talk · he/him) 14:45, 26 April 2024 (UTC) reply
Nominator's rationale: rename per main article Religious fanaticism. This could perhaps be speedied, but let's see if there are objections after all. Marcocapelle ( talk) 18:44, 18 April 2024 (UTC) reply
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Category:Music of Extremadura

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The result of the discussion was: merge ( non-admin closure) House Blaster ( talk · he/him) 14:45, 26 April 2024 (UTC) reply
Nominator's rationale: 1 P, 0 C. Already in other parent. Upmerge for now without prejudice. NLeeuw ( talk) 16:24, 18 April 2024 (UTC) reply
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Category:Bulgarian encyclopedias

Nominator's rationale: It is not useful to lump together works from or about Bulgaria with works in the Bulgarian language that could be about different topics. Some entries might remain in the original category if they are about encyclopedias from Bulgaria. – LaundryPizza03 ( d c̄) 19:42, 1 April 2024 (UTC) reply

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  • Comment That an encyclopedia was published in Bulgaria does not mean that the topic is Bulgaria. Encyclopedias tend to cover a wide variety of topics. Dimadick ( talk) 14:20, 9 April 2024 (UTC) reply
  • In practice it is very unlikely that an encyclopedia published in Bulgaria wouldn't be Bulgarian-language encyclopedia, so they would fall in the second split target. Marcocapelle ( talk) 21:04, 9 April 2024 (UTC) reply
    That's not what Dimadick said; he pointed out that country of publication and topic do not need to match, rather than that country of publication and language do not need to match.
    Incidentally, specialised English-language encyclopedias are published all over the world all the time. Within a few seconds I just found the Encyclopedia of Coastal Science (2005), published in Dordrecht, the Netherlands. Last I checked, English still isn't the dominant native language over here, but that doesn't stop anyone from publishing encyclopaedias in English on "Dutch" soil. ;) NLeeuw ( talk) 00:09, 10 April 2024 (UTC) reply

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Category:Dutch encyclopedias

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The result of the discussion was: option 2. (non-admin closure) Qwerfjkl talk 12:12, 27 April 2024 (UTC) reply
  • Option 1
  • Option 2
  • (both options):
Nominator's rationale for Option 1: Per the actual scope of the main article, List of Dutch encyclopedias, which I have just renamed List of encyclopedias in Dutch, because the scope as indicated by the definition in the opening sentence is 'Encyclopedias in the Dutch language', and includes several encyclopedias published in Belgium rather than the Netherlands. The connected Commonscat was already named c:Category:Encyclopedias in Dutch. The interwiki to frwiki was already fr:Liste d'encyclopédies en néerlandais, a redirect to fr:Liste d'encyclopédies par langue#Néerlandais, and to nlwiki already to nl:Encyclopedie#Nederlandstalige encyclopedieën. This also means we should Purge parents Category:Encyclopedias by country and Category:European encyclopedias, because the Dutch language is not necessarily limited by geography to Europe either (e.g. there is an nl:Encyclopedie van Suriname, published in 1977 in Suriname, two years after it became indepedent). Because I recently renamed the main article myself, speedy criterion C2D does not count, but as you can see, it has always been the main article's and category's scope. NLeeuw ( talk) 12:13, 1 April 2024 (UTC) reply
Update 6 April 2024 and rationale for Option 2: Belarusian, Albanian, Bengali and Tamil language encyclopedias have been added to the nomination following their speedy renaming nomination by LaundryPizza03, and Marcocapelle's suggestion to go full, and my suggestion to centralise discussion over here. The rationale for Option 2 is that it conforms with most older naming conventions to name things Fooian-language things. By contrast, emerging new conventions (Option 1) favour Things in Fooian. We all agree the current categories should be renamed, but the question is which Option is preferable. For both options, it is proposed to Purge them out of the by country and by continent trees, because these encyclopedias are by language. NLeeuw ( talk) 16:14, 6 April 2024 (UTC) reply
  • Support, language is generally much more a defining characteristic of a book than the country where it is published. Marcocapelle ( talk) 12:36, 1 April 2024 (UTC) reply
    I agree. Country of publication could be defining, and it's okay that we've got a Category:Encyclopedias by country tree. But if we need to choose, I think language takes priority over country of publication. We could do both, but then we risk situations like Category:Latvian encyclopedias and Category:Latvian-language encyclopedias, which are technically distinct, but both contain the two same items in practice. Only for larger languages and countries like France versus the French language, it is evident to have separate category trees, especially if the latter has a subcategory like "Belgian encyclopedias in French" or something, showing that France and French don't always coincidence. NLeeuw ( talk) 12:52, 1 April 2024 (UTC) reply
    Courtesy ping @ Marcocapelle:, you might want to clarify or change your !vote based on the amended nomination and rationale. Thanks. NLeeuw ( talk) 16:16, 6 April 2024 (UTC) reply
    • I do not have a strong preference between option 1 and 2, both are an improvement versus current. Marcocapelle ( talk) 16:47, 6 April 2024 (UTC) reply

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Support option 2. Omnis Scientia ( talk) 20:03, 18 April 2024 (UTC) reply
Support option 2. Matches with Category:Mass media by language tree. QuietHere ( talk | contributions) 23:15, 19 April 2024 (UTC) reply
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Category:Estonian numismatists

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Category:18th-century American slave owners

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The result of the discussion was: delete. (non-admin closure) Qwerfjkl talk 12:25, 27 April 2024 (UTC) reply
Nominator's rationale: Do we really need to diffuse by century of ownership? I don't think that the category is helpful. I think diffusion by state would be more helpful. Mason ( talk) 03:12, 2 April 2024 (UTC) reply
  • It looks like the categories have been depopulated. Marcocapelle ( talk) 03:40, 2 April 2024 (UTC) reply
    FWIW: @ MarcocapelleWhen I nominated the categories, there were zero pages in them, just the slave-trader categories. Mason ( talk) 22:12, 2 April 2024 (UTC) reply
  • Upmerge to Category:American slave owners. Redundant layers. NLeeuw ( talk) 05:11, 2 April 2024 (UTC) reply
  • Opose Whyever delete it? It is always usefull to sort people by century, and the category American slave owners is too big, and need sub categories. Nothing prevents having both a category by state and a category by century; other categories of people do. Slaves have century categories, and nothing prevents having century categories for slave owners as well. They are always helpful when a reader need to find people by century, and do not prevent the creation of other categories, such as state categories.-- Aciram ( talk) 12:39, 2 April 2024 (UTC) reply
    As the category creator,Aciram, are you planning on populating them? Mason ( talk) 22:13, 2 April 2024 (UTC) reply
    If it's just 2 centuries, I strongly recommend against subdividing by centuries. There will be a lot of duplication without navigational advantage. Splitting by state seems doable and defining, however. NLeeuw ( talk) 20:53, 3 April 2024 (UTC) reply
    I'm adding the newly-created parent categories, that are also not populated with pages, in a moment. @ Aciram@ Marcocapelle@ Nederlandse Leeuw Mason ( talk) 19:44, 4 April 2024 (UTC) reply
    I don't think it's very helpful to start creating new empty categories with little navigational value in the middle of a CfD. That said, I'll emphasise that I favour upmerging for now without prejudice. If a newly created category can be properly filled with items and has demonstrable navigational value, there's nothing wrong with it. NLeeuw ( talk) 22:00, 4 April 2024 (UTC) reply
  • Delete as nominated. It is not helpful to sort by century.-- User:Namiba 00:27, 8 April 2024 (UTC) reply
  • Oppose Diffusion by century is always useful in large categories. Dimadick ( talk) 14:41, 9 April 2024 (UTC) reply
    Not always. For example, we very intentionally don't have activists diffused by century or athletes by sport. Dimadick, are you planning on doing the diffusion? Because right now these categories are *very empty*. Mason ( talk) 13:54, 10 April 2024 (UTC) reply

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Delete per nom. Omnis Scientia ( talk) 20:01, 18 April 2024 (UTC) reply
Delete/upmerge: Diffusing by country/state makes a lot more sense and would save from the overlap issue that NLeeuw mentioned. QuietHere ( talk | contributions) 23:19, 19 April 2024 (UTC) reply
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Category:Anti-Jewish pogroms by Muslims

Nominator's rationale: This category feels WP:COATRACKy. There is no Category:Anti-Jewish pogroms by Christians, even though those are far more prevalent. Moreover, many of the incidents here were not even defined by the participation of Muslims so inclusion into the Islam and anti-Semitism article would not always be appropriate. User:Namiba 18:04, 10 April 2024 (UTC) reply
I originally created that category, feeling that pogroms by Muslims were notable precisely because they were much less common than pogroms by (especially Russian or other Eastern European) Christians. -- GCarty ( talk) 07:26, 11 April 2024 (UTC) reply
Understandable. But the effect might be that unnecessary emphasis is placed on Muslims as perpetrators in a way that is currently not done for Christians (or others) as perpetrators. NLeeuw ( talk) 01:01, 12 April 2024 (UTC) reply
Perhaps rename to Category:Anti-Jewish pogroms in the Middle East and North Africa, or something similar? -- GCarty ( talk) 08:35, 12 April 2024 (UTC) reply
  • Meanwhile GCarty proposed another alternative which (if slightly modified) I would not oppose either. Marcocapelle ( talk) 09:05, 12 April 2024 (UTC) reply
  • Merge. If not, delete. "By Muslims" is simply unacceptable in a category name. Even when the majority of the perpetrators were Muslims, the name implies that their religion was a key factor in the process (rather than politics, economics, etc.). Usually this is either false or unknown. Would we name a cat about things done by Israel with "by Jews"? Zero talk 04:04, 13 April 2024 (UTC) reply
    As mentioned above, I now think the this category (which I created originally) should be replaced with Category:Anti-Jewish pogroms in the Middle East and/or Category:Anti-Jewish pogroms in North Africa. -- GCarty ( talk) 19:03, 15 April 2024 (UTC) reply
As the nominator, I suggest we merge with no objection to splitting off articles by continent for consistency's sake.-- User:Namiba 20:21, 15 April 2024 (UTC) reply

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Merge per nom and per discussion above. Omnis Scientia ( talk) 20:00, 18 April 2024 (UTC) reply


Category:Los Angeles Angels of Anaheim field personnel

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The result of the discussion was: merge ( non-admin closure) Qwerfjkl talk 12:32, 27 April 2024 (UTC) reply
Nominator's rationale: Merge categories per previous discussion here. Omnis Scientia ( talk) 12:43, 18 April 2024 (UTC) reply
Pinging @ Eureka Lott and @ Natg 19 from the previous discussion on the matter. Omnis Scientia ( talk) 12:46, 18 April 2024 (UTC) reply
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Category:The Book of Boba Fett episodes

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The result of the discussion was: delete ( non-admin closure) Queen of ♡ | speak 18:05, 25 April 2024 (UTC) reply
Nominator's rationale: All episodes were redirected so no content here. The child category will automatically be placed in the parent category if this is deleted. Gonnym ( talk) 12:03, 18 April 2024 (UTC) reply
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Category:Swedish emigrants to Japan

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Tourism in Brazil by city

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The result of the discussion was: merge ( non-admin closure) Queen of ♡ | speak 18:04, 25 April 2024 (UTC) reply
Nominator's rationale: These only contain subcats for tourist attractions, which are already categorised in Category:Tourist attractions in Brazil by city. – Fayenatic London 11:25, 18 April 2024 (UTC) reply
  • Merge per nom (or delete, as I am not sure if tourist attractions really belong in economy). Marcocapelle ( talk) 16:41, 18 April 2024 (UTC) reply
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History of Ipê

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The result of the discussion was: merge/delete. (non-admin closure) Queen of ♡ | speak 18:01, 25 April 2024 (UTC) reply
Nominator's rationale: Only contains 1 article on a museum. – Fayenatic London 11:18, 18 April 2024 (UTC) reply
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Talian dialect

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The result of the discussion was: merge ( non-admin closure) Queen of ♡ | speak 18:00, 25 April 2024 (UTC) reply
Nominator's rationale: These categories only contain one article, That article is about Talian dialect, which I don't think we would generally categorise as geography anyway. – Fayenatic London 10:23, 18 April 2024 (UTC) reply
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Tourism in Rio Grande do Sul

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The result of the discussion was: merge ( non-admin closure) Queen of ♡ | speak 17:58, 25 April 2024 (UTC) reply
Nominator's rationale: Merge for now, only one or two pages in these sub-categories, and mostly it's the same regional article. – Fayenatic London 09:47, 18 April 2024 (UTC) reply
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April 17

Category:Legacy of Austria-Hungary

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The result of the discussion was: merge ( non-admin closure) Queen of ♡ | speak 00:07, 25 April 2024 (UTC) reply
Nominator's rationale: I'm not sure how this category is defining. These just seem to be long-lasting historical events Mason ( talk) 19:00, 17 April 2024 (UTC) reply
Well, the average reader would associate the term "History of Austria-Hungary" with events that happened during Austria-Hungary. "Legacy of Austria-Hungary" would be things that are not just placed coterminously, but exist after it, and many of them to this day. As for being defining, they're all pretty clearly associated with Austria-Hungary in the article and in their sources, did you notice any particular ommissions to this? -- Joy ( talk) 19:10, 17 April 2024 (UTC) reply
  • Delete, it is a hogdepodge of articles that have very little in common with each other. Marcocapelle ( talk) 21:03, 17 April 2024 (UTC) reply
    @ Marcocapelle yes, the thing they have in common with each other is that they're legacy of Austria-Hungary. Similar to many other categorizations. Why do you think this could not be useful to the average English reader researching this historical topic? -- Joy ( talk) 14:31, 18 April 2024 (UTC) reply
  • Merge per nom and WP:ARBITRARYCAT. What is and is not "legacy" is often arbitrary, and claims of legacy often fall in the realm of pseudohistory. Categories are not the best place to assess the validity of those claims. The Death and funeral of Otto von Habsburg is a great example: you can always claim it is the "legacy" of something; not just Austria-Hungary, but the entire Holy Roman Empire, and by extension the Roman Empire, and by extension Ancient Greece, and so on. (Sounds very WP:ASSOCIATEDWITHy to me). Categories would be a mess if we went that way. Strictly speaking, it happened in 2011, is therefore not part the History, which ended in 1918, so it should be Purged. NLeeuw ( talk) 15:01, 19 April 2024 (UTC) reply
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Category:Arctic music

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The result of the discussion was: delete ( non-admin closure) Queen of ♡ | speak 00:07, 25 April 2024 (UTC) reply
Nominator's rationale: WP:ARBITRARYCAT. Mostly irrelevant intersection of geography and music by country/ethnicity category trees. The overwhelming majority of the population in each of these countries lives outside the Arctic (that is, below the Arctic Circle of 66° 34' N. Iceland entirely lies below the Article Circle, except for the northernmost tip of the islet of Grímsey, which due to plate tectonics will also be completely south of the Circle within a few years. All inhabitants of Iceland live below it. Classifying all Category:Icelandic music as "Arctic music", because a stonethrow of diminishing beach is above an arbitrary circle, is ridiculous. Similar arguments can be made for all the rest of this category. No musician in Toronto is thinking: 'Oh, my music is sooo Arctic!' Anyway, you get the idea. NLeeuw ( talk) 18:00, 17 April 2024 (UTC) reply
 Comment: For the last part, is it like an equivalent of the “Do you live in igloos?” question? I do know there are Arctic tribes that had their own music and the Inuit are a good example of this. SpinnerLaserzthe2nd ( talk) 18:09, 17 April 2024 (UTC) reply
Sure, but Inuit people can and do live south of the Arctic Circle as well, and that doesn't seem to affect their music in any way. People are mobile, they can live and migrate all around the world. Even within Nunavut and Greenland, where most Inuit live (see Inuit#Demographics), the majority of them live below the Arctic Circle of 66° 34' N, see List of communities in Nunavut. Last I checked, there is no Category:Temperate zone music either. That line on the map has no significance for music whatsoever. NLeeuw ( talk) 19:08, 17 April 2024 (UTC) reply
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Category:Songs from animated series

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The result of the discussion was: rename ( non-admin closure) Queen of ♡ | speak 00:06, 25 April 2024 (UTC) reply
Nominator's rationale: Per precedent at Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2024 February 1#Category:Songs from television series, rename and purge. House Blaster ( talk · he/him) 17:52, 17 April 2024 (UTC) reply
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Category:Disney animation songs

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The result of the discussion was: merge ( non-admin closure) Queen of ♡ | speak 00:06, 25 April 2024 (UTC) reply
Nominator's rationale: Only contains one redirect ( Der Fuehrer's Face (song)). Upmerge for now; unhelpful for navigation. I have purposefully left out the other two parent categories as merge targets: Der Fuehrer's Face (a cartoon that I would highly recommend you watch!) is not really a series (and thus the song does not belong in Category:Songs from animated series) and the song itself has no animation. House Blaster ( talk · he/him) 17:51, 17 April 2024 (UTC) reply
  • Merge per nom. Marcocapelle ( talk) 21:06, 17 April 2024 (UTC) reply
  • Upmerge for now without prejudice. Unhelpful at this time. Not sure it will never be helpful in the future, as the majority of Disney films are animated, and how a song is visualised may not be WP:DEFINING, but who knows. NLeeuw ( talk) 14:49, 19 April 2024 (UTC) reply
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Category:Maharajas of Punjab, India

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The result of the discussion was: rename as unopposed. (non-admin closure) Queen of ♡ | speak 00:06, 25 April 2024 (UTC) reply
Nominator's rationale: rename and remove header: anachronistic category name, since Punjab, India did not exist yet. Marcocapelle ( talk) 17:42, 17 April 2024 (UTC) reply
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Category:French people in New Caledonia

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The result of the discussion was: delete ( non-admin closure) Queen of ♡ | speak 00:05, 25 April 2024 (UTC) reply
Nominator's rationale: New Caledonia is part of France, so I'm not convinced of the usefulness of this category (which contains only two pages). It does not seem helpful to navigation and is listed as part of the French expatriates category tree which seems inaccurate. AusLondonder ( talk) 13:11, 17 April 2024 (UTC) reply
  • Delete per nom. The term "expatriate" does not apply when residing within the borders of the country of one's nationality. NLeeuw ( talk) 15:20, 17 April 2024 (UTC) reply
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Category:Inbred animals

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The result of the discussion was: soft delete. Based on minimal participation, this uncontroversial nomination is treated as an expired PROD (a.k.a. "soft deletion"). Editors can request the category's undeletion. (non-admin closure) Queen of ♡ | speak 00:05, 25 April 2024 (UTC) reply
Nominator's rationale: Description is erroneous and most dog breeds are arguably inbred, this is a very subjective/specific list that ultimately has more to do with the perception of whoever added the category. Traumnovelle ( talk) 07:19, 17 April 2024 (UTC) reply
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Category:Sydney New Year's Eve

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The result of the discussion was: delete ( non-admin closure) House Blaster ( talk · he/him) 12:05, 24 April 2024 (UTC) reply
Nominator's rationale: This category seems to be WP:NONDEFINING as it appears to just be a collection of locations in Sydney where fireworks are set off on New Year's Day. BaduFerreira ( talk) 01:56, 17 April 2024 (UTC) reply
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Category:Crackers (food)

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The result of the discussion was: keep. Noting that nomination was lukewarm at best about a rename. (non-admin closure) House Blaster ( talk · he/him) 12:02, 24 April 2024 (UTC) reply
Nominator's rationale: Should Category:Crackers (food) be disambiguated if nothing exists at Category:Crackers? Not sure, so I'm nominating this for discussion. BaduFerreira ( talk) 00:41, 17 April 2024 (UTC) reply
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Category:Democratic Labor Party (historical) members of the Parliament of Victoria

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The result of the discussion was: rename as unopposed. ( non-admin closure) Queen of ♡ | speak 00:03, 25 April 2024 (UTC) reply
Nominator's rationale: There's multiple Democratic Labor Parties that can be considered historical. Although the disambiguation-less version is available and not occupied by any other categories, it seems appropriate to still include the Australian 1955? As to differentiate it from other Democratic Labor Parties in some fashion. Utopes ( talk / cont) 00:28, 17 April 2024 (UTC) reply
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Category:Democratic Labor Party (historical) politicians

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The result of the discussion was: rename ( non-admin closure) Queen of ♡ | speak 00:02, 25 April 2024 (UTC) reply
Nominator's rationale: The associated page with this category was recently moved, as there are multiple Democratic Labor Parties that can be described as "historical". This category and associated titles should be moved to a more fitting name, but I'm not sure whether there's a more preferable / succinct way of renaming to focus on this being the Australian, 1955 Democratic Labor Party. Utopes ( talk / cont) 00:21, 17 April 2024 (UTC) reply
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April 16

Category:Christian anti-Zionism

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The result of the discussion was: delete ( non-admin closure) Qwerfjkl talk 11:25, 27 April 2024 (UTC) reply
Nominator's rationale: delete, not as a matter of principle, but there are only two articles in it, one for which anti-Zionism is a POV judgment and the other is anti- Christian Zionism which is quite something different than Jewish Zionism. E.g. Christian Zionism asserts a parallel idea that the returnees ought to be encouraged to reject Judaism and adopt Christianity as a means of fulfilling biblical prophecies. Marcocapelle ( talk) 09:41, 1 April 2024 (UTC) reply
Oppose. As long as Category:Christian Zionism exists, I don't see any reason to get rid of this category. AHI-3000 ( talk) 21:17, 3 April 2024 (UTC) reply
  • The reason for that is the existence of Christian Zionism as a separate movement with quite a different agenda than Zionism. They are not Zionists who happen to be Christians but rather adherents of Christian_Zionism. Marcocapelle ( talk) 17:31, 4 April 2024 (UTC) reply

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Support per nom. Mason ( talk) 23:16, 13 April 2024 (UTC) reply

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Category:Anti-Zionist Christians

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The result of the discussion was: delete ( non-admin closure) Qwerfjkl talk 11:25, 27 April 2024 (UTC) reply
Nominator's rationale: delete, the category contains people with widely diverging views, from antisemitism to advocy of Palestinian human rights, but generally it has very little to do with Christian theology. If applicable, articles are better off in Category:American Zionists etc. than in a specific Christian category. Marcocapelle ( talk) 09:49, 1 April 2024 (UTC) reply
Support per nom. Mason ( talk) 21:56, 1 April 2024 (UTC) reply
Oppose. As long as Category:Christian Zionists exists, I don't see any reason to get rid of this category. AHI-3000 ( talk) 21:16, 3 April 2024 (UTC) reply
  • The reason for that is the existence of Christian Zionism as a separate movement with quite a different agenda than Zionism. They are not Zionists who happen to be Christians but rather adherents of Christian_Zionism. Marcocapelle ( talk) 17:30, 4 April 2024 (UTC) reply

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Category:Anti-mainlander sentiment in Hong Kong

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The result of the discussion was: merge ( non-admin closure) Queen of ♡ | speak 00:10, 25 April 2024 (UTC) reply
Nominator's rationale: "Anti-mainlander sentiment" is not a defining characteristic of the articles that have been placed in this category, which are about subjects that may be more accurately or commonly described as reflecting a "pro-democracy", "localist", or "anti-Chinese Communist Party" sentiment. The category name is also biased in favour of a narrative promoted by the Chinese government – the Hong Kong pro-democracy movement was portrayed as "anti-mainlander" to help cement Chinese public opinion against Hong Kong democracy activists. Citobun ( talk) 23:28, 16 April 2024 (UTC) reply
  • Delete or merge to Category:Hong Kong democracy movements, the two categories seem to overlap. Marcocapelle ( talk) 21:13, 17 April 2024 (UTC) reply
  • Move the title to Category:Anti-Chinese sentiment in Hong Kong. There is a difference between the pro-democracy movement and the anti-mainlander sentiment. Among the latter, some simply antagonize the CCP, but others antagonize the mainlander's people. However, many Hong Kongers see it as better to change the title than delete it, as they distinguish their identity from the [mainland] Chinese people. ProKMT ( talk) 08:03, 18 April 2024 (UTC) reply
  • Delete the category article itself is a completely different matter. I am well aware of the oppression of CCP in Hong Kong, but at the same time, I am also aware of discrimination against the mainlander 'people'. Even before I edited it, many articles related to Hong Kong topics included Category:Anti-Chinese sentiment in Asia. ProKMT ( talk) 07:04, 19 April 2024 (UTC) reply
  • None of the articles fits well with the category title. As said, they are much more about the Hong Kong democracy movements. Marcocapelle ( talk) 05:47, 20 April 2024 (UTC) reply
  • Delete or merge per Marco. Mason ( talk) 13:44, 23 April 2024 (UTC) reply
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Category:Deaths due to hippopotamus attacks

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The result of the discussion was: delete. This is a variation of a WP:BARTENDER close: Rather than relist for further discussion on whether Menes belongs in Category:Deaths due to animal attacks or not, further discussion on this point can take place at Talk:Menes. No prejudice against nominating the sibling categories for merging/deletion. (non-admin closure) House Blaster ( talk · he/him) 02:38, 24 April 2024 (UTC) reply
Nominator's rationale: Not a defining characteristic of the sole member. * Pppery * it has begun... 20:55, 16 April 2024 (UTC) reply
Delete per nomination. QuietHere ( talk | contributions) 00:27, 17 April 2024 (UTC) reply
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Category:Orange Twin albums

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The result of the discussion was: merge ( non-admin closure) House Blaster ( talk · he/him) 02:29, 24 April 2024 (UTC) reply
Nominator's rationale: Orange Twin is a redirect to Orange Twin Records. These categories refer to the same record label. QuietHere ( talk | contributions) 20:49, 16 April 2024 (UTC) reply
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Category:Citizens of Indonesia through descent

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The result of the discussion was: purge&merge. (non-admin closure) Queen of ♡ | speak 00:11, 25 April 2024 (UTC) reply
Nominator's rationale: Per precedent at Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2024 April 8#Category:Citizens of Hungary through descent and Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2022 November 17#Category:Citizens through descent, purge and merge to Category:People with acquired Indonesian citizenship. House Blaster ( talk · he/him) 20:38, 16 April 2024 (UTC) reply
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Category:History of Austria-Hungary by topic

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The result of the discussion was: merge ( non-admin closure) House Blaster ( talk · he/him) 02:33, 24 April 2024 (UTC) reply
Nominator's rationale: merge, redundant category layer with only two subcategories. Marcocapelle ( talk) 20:35, 16 April 2024 (UTC) reply
  • Meanwhile one of the subcategories has been nominated for deletion, probably leaving even only one subcategory here. Marcocapelle ( talk) 17:41, 23 April 2024 (UTC) reply
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Category:Unrecognized tribes in the United States

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Category:Indian massacres

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Category:Intersex transgender people

Relisted, see Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2024 April 27#Category:Intersex transgender people

Category:Volodimerovichi family

Relisted, see Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2024 April 27#Category:Volodimerovichi family

Infrastructure

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The result of the discussion was: no consensus. (non-admin closure) Queen of ♡ | speak 00:15, 25 April 2024 (UTC) reply
Nominator's rationale: merge, strongly overlapping scope. (Of course if there is consensus about this, then all subcategories need to be nominated as well.) Marcocapelle ( talk) 18:58, 31 March 2024 (UTC) reply
Support. I think this is a really good idea. (However, if the decision ends with Keep, think we'd need to have a really really clear definition in the category description to support maintenance. ) Mason ( talk) 19:06, 31 March 2024 (UTC) reply
For what it's worth, I think this category should remain as is. :) KīlaueaGlows ( talk) 06:57, 5 April 2024 (UTC) reply
Leaning oppose. Some of the subcategories of Category:Infrastructure would be seemingly out of place in Category:Buildings and structures. For instance Energy infrastructure‎, Category:Infrastructure of the Holocaust, Category:History of infrastructure, Category:Infrastructure investment and Category:IT infrastructure wouldn't make sense as subcategories of . Category:Buildings and structures. Pichpich ( talk) 21:27, 31 March 2024 (UTC) reply
  • Ok, then for the top category it is too early to be merged. The subcategories by date and location are set categories, and items of infrastructure are always buildings or structures, so this objection does not apply to these subcategories. Marcocapelle ( talk) 06:57, 1 April 2024 (UTC) reply
  • Oppose I've been looking at some categories about canals and they are appropriately categorized under "infrastructure" rather than "buildings and structures". I think with their addition and that of other similar categories. "structure" would become so broad (anything that is built?) as to become almost meaningless. There might be some overlap here but I think that the solution might be to change "buildings and structures" to just "buildings" and leave "infrastructure" be. Liz Read! Talk! 22:38, 5 April 2024 (UTC) reply
  • Looking at more categories, it looks like some "infrastructure" categories are placed under the parent categories of "buildings and structures" which I think is more appropriate than merging the two. Liz Read! Talk! 22:44, 5 April 2024 (UTC) reply

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Category:16th-century Roman Catholic bishops in Portuguese Macau

Nominator's rationale: sibling are all called Category:Roman Catholic bishops in Macau, even though those were also during the time of Portuguese Macau (1557–1999) . Category:19th-century Roman Catholic bishops in Macau‎ Category:20th-century Roman Catholic bishops in Macau Mason ( talk) 18:12, 31 March 2024 (UTC) reply
  • Shouldn't they all be bishops of Macau? Per List of bishops of Macau. Marcocapelle ( talk) 18:40, 31 March 2024 (UTC) reply
    Hmmmm, I've been thinking of them like a country of work category, like that's where the bishop is serving, as opposed to the dioses. If we changed it to "of" Macau, would that mean that all the bishops would also have to be in the parent category? Category:XXXX-century Roman Catholic bishops in China (or Asia)? My goal is to make all the categories consistent, and possibly avoid having a perpetual edit war over the parent country category. [1] Mason ( talk) 18:51, 31 March 2024 (UTC) reply
Just for twelve days in the 20th century? Domingos Lam served between 1988 and 2003 (i.e. across 1999) and the article already belongs to both the 20th- and 21st-century categories. His successor José Lai served between 2003 and 2016. 219.77.182.250 ( talk) 15:01, 25 April 2024 (UTC) reply
    • With all respect this isn't and shouldn't be an entirely mechanical process as you put it. You have to read and understand the subject as well. 58.152.55.172 ( talk) 08:30, 11 April 2024 (UTC) reply
  • Long story short, there were bishops appointed to dioceses elsewhere who served and were based in Macau (e.g. as administrators of the diocese, which covered an area large enough to be subdivided into hundreds of dioceses in the following centuries). These were bishops in Macau but not Bishops of Macau. 58.152.55.172 ( talk) 08:30, 11 April 2024 (UTC) reply
  • That may be the case but that does not match with the content of this category tree. Bishops in these categories were bishops of Macao. Marcocapelle ( talk) 05:17, 26 April 2024 (UTC) reply
  • Reverse rename. That was the Portuguese period, and there was a time when it was a província ultramarina. 219.77.182.250 ( talk) 13:14, 1 April 2024 (UTC) reply
    What does that even mean? Mason ( talk) 00:57, 2 April 2024 (UTC) reply
    • It is obvious that it was Portuguese, that does not have to be added to the category name per se. Marcocapelle ( talk) 04:14, 2 April 2024 (UTC) reply
      • Then name the categories accordingly. 58.152.55.172 ( talk) 09:07, 3 April 2024 (UTC) reply
        • No, I am just saying that it is not necessary. Marcocapelle ( talk) 20:16, 8 April 2024 (UTC) reply
          • Not necessary per se; but, as I read it, not something that cannot and shouldn't be done. 58.152.55.172 ( talk) 08:30, 11 April 2024 (UTC) reply
  • Keep. Rename the 17th to 20th-century categories accordingly and make them along with the 16th-century category under the tree of Category:Portuguese Macau. 58.152.55.172 ( talk) 08:55, 2 April 2024 (UTC) reply
    FYI, these are all the same IP and a well-known one at that WP:LTA/HKGW Mason ( talk) 13:54, 2 April 2024 (UTC) reply

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@ Marcocapelle, @ Smasongarrison, do you agree on the rename target Category:Roman Catholic bishops of Macau? —  Qwerfjkl talk 12:01, 27 April 2024 (UTC) reply
  • For sure, bishops are bishops of a diocese in the first place. Marcocapelle ( talk) 12:38, 27 April 2024 (UTC) reply

Recipients of the Sahitya Akademi Award

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Category:Recipients of Indian civil awards and decorations

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The result of the discussion was: no consensus. (non-admin closure) Queen of ♡ | speak 00:18, 25 April 2024 (UTC) reply
Nominator's rationale: WP:OCAWARD PepperBeast (talk) 21:03, 8 April 2024 (UTC) reply
  • Delete per nom. The above awards aren't worth an exception from WP:OCAWARD, they are not comparable to a Nobel prize. Marcocapelle ( talk) 05:39, 9 April 2024 (UTC) reply
  • Keep. We're not starting this again, are we? Most of these are clearly notable and defining. They include the Bharat Ratna, the highest civilian honour that can be awarded by India, and the Kaisar-i-Hind Medal, an extremely prestigious award given in British India. If they're not defining, then what on earth is? WP:OCAWARD certainly does not say that awards have to be comparable to a Nobel Prize; neither does it say that only international awards should be categorised, which is what such a suggestion implies. The deletion rationale is entirely spurious and ridiculously brief. -- Necrothesp ( talk) 09:51, 9 April 2024 (UTC) reply
  • Keep I find it very hard to believe that a category based on India's highest civilian honour is not appropriate as defining. If that is the argument then the entire category tree at Category:Order of the British Empire, which contains about a hundred subcategories and many thousands of articles should be added to this nomination. As should the substantial category tree at Category:Recipients of United States civil awards and decorations. By singling out one country this nomination makes no sense. AusLondonder ( talk) 15:22, 12 April 2024 (UTC) reply

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Category:Temples (LDS Church) in Latin America

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The result of the discussion was: delete. (non-admin closure) Toadette Edit! 17:38, 23 April 2024 (UTC) reply
Nominator's rationale: WP:OVERLAPCAT: all pages are already in child Category:Temples (LDS Church) in South America or its subcategories, or in sibling Category:Temples (LDS Church) in North America or its subcategories. Thus it has little navigational value and just adds category clutter to the articles. NLeeuw ( talk) 16:52, 16 April 2024 (UTC) reply
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Category:Transport and the Mercosur

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The result of the discussion was: upmerge. (non-admin closure) Toadette Edit! 17:44, 23 April 2024 (UTC) reply
Nominator's rationale: Category:Transport and the Mercosur has 1 P, 0 C. Upmerge to grandparent Category:Mercosur for now without prejudice. Dual merge won't be necessary, I put the only article ( Vehicle registration plates of the Mercosur) in sibling Category:Road transport in South America already. The upmerging will empty Category:Economy of the Mercosur, which was already a redundant layer; it should also be upmerged for now without prejudice (merging instead of deletion for logging purposes). NLeeuw ( talk) 15:25, 16 April 2024 (UTC) reply
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Category:Jewish nobility

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The result of the discussion was: delete. (non-admin closure) Toadette Edit! 17:35, 23 April 2024 (UTC) reply
Nominator's rationale: arbirtrary and irrelevant intersection by ethnicity. I found this category added to Yehudi Menuhin on my watchlist and I'm about to revert it because, while it's true that he was Jewish and that he was a Life peer, the intersection of these facts (especially the latter one) in a category seems more than a little bizarre and "non-defining", because he was by far best known as a violinist. There are probably many other examples just like this one. Graham87 ( talk) 09:39, 8 April 2024 (UTC) reply
Oppose, this is a well-populated category. AHI-3000 ( talk) 17:14, 8 April 2024 (UTC) reply

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  • Delete per nom. Graham87 has a good point that lists allow for context that categories don't. But I am not in favour of listification either, as the net here has evidently been cast far too wide. E.g. someone like James Goldsmith (picked at random) has nothing to do with "nobility". NLeeuw ( talk) 15:38, 16 April 2024 (UTC) reply
  • Delete as per nom. It is another example of a non-useful, mostly meaningless category created by intersecting two unrelated traits. We don't have categories for Christian, Muslim, or Hindu nobility and we shouldn't have one for Jewish nobility either. 220.235.78.155 ( talk) 03:30, 18 April 2024 (UTC) reply
  • Delete per nom and other users. It's a specific category that's already filled within the various subcategories for nobility per nationality. Furthermore, as mentioned above, there is no specific category for other major religions like Christians or Muslims. Clear Looking Glass ( talk) 10:08, 18 April 2024 (UTC) reply
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Category:Canadian military personnel from Kelowna

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Category:Lists of ambassadors to Northern Cyprus

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The result of the discussion was: delete. (non-admin closure) Toadette Edit! 17:32, 23 April 2024 (UTC) reply
Nominator's rationale: Category created just to hold one list. This would be fine if there were multiple lists to file here, but is not necessary for just one -- but given that Northern Cyprus is a disputed territory which is diplomatically recognized only by Turkey, it's impossible to file multiple lists here. The list is already in Category:Ambassadors of Turkey to Northern Cyprus, which is all that's needed in context -- but this category isn't necessary if it will only ever contain one list. Bearcat ( talk) 13:53, 16 April 2024 (UTC) reply
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Category:Public high schools in Chicago suburbs

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The result of the discussion was: delete. (non-admin closure) Toadette Edit! 17:29, 23 April 2024 (UTC) reply
Nominator's rationale: Recreation at a new name of a category previously deleted last year per Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2023 May 25#Category:Public high schools in suburbs of Chicago. Again, the same issue remains as last time: we categorize schools by the places that they're in, but we do not categorize schools by the places that the places they're in happen to be near. Bearcat ( talk) 13:30, 16 April 2024 (UTC) reply
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Category:LGBT-related music

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Category:Songs against capitalism

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Category:Songs against racism and xenophobia

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The result of the discussion was: rename to Category:Songs about racism and xenophobia. (non-admin closure) Toadette Edit! 17:22, 23 April 2024 (UTC) reply
Nominator's rationale: Generally our songs by topic categories are 'about' not 'against'. Ex. Category:Songs about poverty. See also Category:Songs about social issues. I suggest renaming this; the other category that may need similar treatment would be Category:Songs against capitalism (subcat to Category:Songs about consumerism, not Category:Songs against consumerism...). Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 02:25, 16 April 2024 (UTC) reply
  • Rename per nom, for consistency. Marcocapelle ( talk) 04:53, 16 April 2024 (UTC) reply
  • Support renaming. J 1982 ( talk) 10:54, 16 April 2024 (UTC) reply
  • Neutral, as as I said with the songs about/against capitalism nomination, many of these songs have lyrics which are quite clearly critical of racism and/or xenophobia. With the songs about poverty or consumerism, those songs aren’t explicitly against the subject of said topics as much but are more about the topic itself and its effects. Velociraptor888 ( talk) 23:35, 18 April 2024 (UTC) reply
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Category:Dos Santos family (Angolan business family)

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Category:.io video games

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The result of the discussion was: no consensus. (non-admin closure) House Blaster ( talk · he/him) 02:27, 24 April 2024 (UTC) reply
Nominator's rationale: Non-defining trait. This simply indicates that the game in question has it's web hostname in the .io TLD. It is akin to having a category for ".com video games", ".org video games", etc. There is no connection between these games from a developer, publisher, or otherwise manner. -- ferret ( talk) 16:08, 29 March 2024 (UTC) reply

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Category:Recipients of the Padma Shri in literature & education

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April 15

Category:Feminist historians

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Category:Trademark attorneys

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The result of the discussion was: merge all. (non-admin closure) Toadette ( Let's talk together!) 22:30, 22 April 2024 (UTC) reply
Nominator's rationale: Do we really need to make the distinction for what kind of intellectual property law they practice? (With the exception for patent attorneys). Mason ( talk) 20:47, 15 April 2024 (UTC) reply
  • Merge, the articles say they are specializing in intellectual property, broadly. Marcocapelle ( talk) 21:06, 15 April 2024 (UTC) reply
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Category:Canadian criminal lawyers

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Category:Non-binary lesbians

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Category:San Quentin State Prison inmates

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The result of the discussion was: rename to Category:Inmates of San Quentin State Prison. (non-admin closure) Toadette ( Let's talk together!) 22:35, 22 April 2024 (UTC) reply
Nominator's rationale: This is the naming convention for prison inmates. See Category:Inmates of Alcatraz Federal Penitentiary, Category:Inmates of ADX Florence, Category:Inmates of Sing Sing, Category:Inmates of the Marshalsea, Category:Inmates of Sighet prison, Category:Inmates of Pitești prison, etc. The only time the convention is "Category:X inmates" is where X is a ghetto, e.g. Category:Łódź Ghetto inmates. Dennis C. Abrams ( talk) 17:09, 15 April 2024 (UTC) reply
  • Support per nominator's rationale jengod ( talk) 23:29, 19 April 2024 (UTC) reply
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Category:Fictional characters by political orientation

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Category:Pourashavas of Bangladesh

Nominator's rationale: Redundant: "Pourashava" means municipality in Bengali. Bolideleoi ( talk) 14:27, 15 April 2024 (UTC) reply

Category:Students of Ziaur Rahman Azmi

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The result of the discussion was: merge to Category:Sunni Muslim scholars of Islam. (non-admin closure) Toadette ( Let's talk together!) 22:14, 22 April 2024 (UTC) reply
Nominator's rationale: Small category, fails WP:OCASSOC -- wooden superman 13:09, 15 April 2024 (UTC) reply
  • Merge per nom, and "students" categories are used for people who are only notable as a student. Marcocapelle ( talk) 19:35, 15 April 2024 (UTC) reply
    Support per nom and marco. Mason ( talk) 03:34, 18 April 2024 (UTC) reply
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Category:Ziaur Rahman Azmi

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The result of the discussion was: Delete Bengal editor's (duplicate) !vote has been disregarded because they are a sock. * Pppery * it has begun... 00:07, 24 April 2024 (UTC) reply
Nominator's rationale: Per WP:OCEPON: Individual works by a person should not be included in an eponymous category but should instead be in a sub-category such as Category:Novels by Agatha Christie. -- wooden superman 07:52, 15 April 2024 (UTC) reply
Disagree, there can be another category naming that such as Category:Hussain Ahmad Madani and Category:Books by Hussain Ahmad Madani. Bengali editor ( talk) 09:23, 15 April 2024 (UTC) reply
The difference there is that Category:Hussain Ahmad Madani contains other articles which aren't books, thus warranting an WP:EPONCAT, this one doesn't. -- wooden superman 09:37, 15 April 2024 (UTC) reply

References

  1. ^ https://alhidaayah.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/03/Transcript-IDTP-5.pdf
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Category:American Jewish billionaires

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The result of the discussion was: Delete * Pppery * it has begun... 00:07, 24 April 2024 (UTC) reply
Nominator's rationale: I haven't done much editing in categorization recently, so maybe the rules have changed, but this one sure reeks of a WP:OCEGRS problem to me. At the very least, there ought to be community consensus (rather than the actions of a single editor) that this intersection is sufficiently noteworthy and unbiased to merit inclusion; I do not believe it is, certainly not without context. Chubbles ( talk) 07:39, 15 April 2024 (UTC) reply
I also just created Category: American Italian billionaires, which somehow weirdly created another Category:Italian American billionaires category. One of them can be deleted. Amr ibn Kulthoumعمرو بن كلثوم ( talk) 20:05, 21 April 2024 (UTC) reply
  • Delete per WP:OCEGRS. Congrats to all the billionaires of any nationality or ethnicity on your money, please pay your tax bills in full. jengod ( talk) 21:53, 21 April 2024 (UTC) reply
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Category:Neo-Latin writers

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Category:Yemeni scientists by century

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The result of the discussion was: Merge * Pppery * it has begun... 00:07, 24 April 2024 (UTC) reply
Nominator's rationale: Upmerge for now. There is only one century in here, which is unhelpful for navigation Mason ( talk) 04:18, 15 April 2024 (UTC) reply
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Category:Politicians arrested in Yemen

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The result of the discussion was: merge to Category:Prisoners and detainees of Yemen. (non-admin closure) Toadette ( Let's talk together!) 22:22, 22 April 2024 (UTC) reply
Nominator's rationale: Non-defining intersection of occupation and location of arrest. Mason ( talk) 04:12, 15 April 2024 (UTC) reply
  • Merge, we shouldn't have "arrested" categories anyway. Marcocapelle ( talk) 05:34, 15 April 2024 (UTC) reply
  • Merge per nom and Marco. NLeeuw ( talk) 17:42, 15 April 2024 (UTC) reply
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Category:Marching

Nominator's rationale: Purge or reparent. Are pride parades part of military traditions? There's already Category:Military marching and Category:Military marches. -- MikutoH talk! 02:33, 15 April 2024 (UTC) reply

Category:Electronic rock musicians

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Category:Aphex Twin songs

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The result of the discussion was: implement NL's proposal. Namely, rename Category:Aphex Twin songs to Category:Compositions by Aphex Twin, and re-parent to Category:Compositions by composer. Then merge Category:Songs written by Aphex Twin to the newly-renamed Category:Compositions by Aphex Twin. (non-admin closure) House Blaster ( talk · he/him) 04:39, 23 April 2024 (UTC) reply
Nominator's rationale: (Or maybe "Aphex Twin compositions".) Strictly speaking, songs contain singing. Aphex Twin tracks have no singing, or no singing in the traditional sense. For example, it is not really accurate to describe Avril 14, a piano instrumental, as a "song". Popcornfud ( talk) 17:07, 22 March 2024 (UTC) reply
Lean oppose. Don't other categories have non-singing songs in them? I don't think it's helpful for navigation to make the distinction between songs that contain vocal tracks and those that do not. Mason ( talk) 20:26, 22 March 2024 (UTC) reply
Just for clarity, I'm not proposing we create separate tracks for vocal and instrumental Aphex Twin tracks, just keeping a single category and renaming it. (There are very few, if any, Aphex Twins that could really be called "songs" in my view, and I also suspect the habit of calling non-vocal tracks "songs" tends to be an Americanism, but that's probably by the by.) Popcornfud ( talk) 21:14, 22 March 2024 (UTC) reply

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& merge Category:Songs written by Aphex Twin to Category:Compositions by Aphex Twin per Starcheerspeaksnewslostwars. Category:Songs written by Aphex Twin was created 15 January 2016‎; Category:Aphex Twin songs was created 21 October 2007‎, is therefore older, and therefore should be the merge target. This seems to be a comprehensive solution to all issues observed above. NLeeuw ( talk) 14:35, 4 April 2024 (UTC) reply

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Relisting comment: Comments on NL's proposal would be very much appreciated!
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Love it! Mason ( talk) 00:17, 8 April 2024 (UTC) reply
Should I ping the other participants to ask their opinion? They might not have read this, but I don't want to unnecessarily alert people. NLeeuw ( talk) 06:39, 8 April 2024 (UTC) reply
  • This final solution is surely in line with my earlier comments. Marcocapelle ( talk) 17:13, 8 April 2024 (UTC) reply
    @ Marcocapelle Don't you mean 'certainly'? I often see you use the word 'surely' where I expect the word 'certainly'. As far as I know, in English, 'surely' is usually used in a question sentence to someone else, asking them to confirm something you would expect / like them to believe, or to say, or to do / to have done. 'Surely you locked the door, didn't you?' It's like the English equivalent of '...toch zeker wel...?' See the usage notes at https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/surely because [surely] connotes strong affirmation, it is used when the speaker or writer expects to be agreed with. Unlike sure it may be used neutrally—the reader or hearer may or may not agree, and it is often used when the writer is trying to persuade.
    • Surely you must admit that it was a good decision.
    In this case, it's like you're asking yourself whether you agree with your own earlier comments. 'Deze oplossing is toch zeker wel in lijn met mijn eerdere opmerkingen?' There is nobody who can answer that question except for you. NLeeuw ( talk) 06:33, 9 April 2024 (UTC) reply
    • Then my "surely" should be read as "certainly". Happy to improve my English vocabulary. Marcocapelle ( talk) 17:35, 9 April 2024 (UTC) reply
      You're welcome! NLeeuw ( talk) 00:26, 10 April 2024 (UTC) reply

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Relisting comment: ....and I forgot to tag Category:Songs written by Aphex Twin last week. Oops. If there are no further comments by next week, we should be all set for implementing NL's proposal. Apologies for the delay/third relisting.
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Ah no worries HouseBlaster. :) NLeeuw ( talk) 17:47, 15 April 2024 (UTC) reply
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April 14

Category:Category:Overseas Chinese Presidents

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The result of the discussion was: delete ( non-admin closure) House Blaster ( talk · he/him) 22:46, 22 April 2024 (UTC) reply
Nominator's rationale: I think this means 'Politicians of Chinese descent who became President of a country', which seems like too narrow a category. Giant Snowman 15:22, 7 April 2024 (UTC) reply
Merge this category into Category:Politicians of Chinese descent instead. AHI-3000 ( talk) 21:31, 7 April 2024 (UTC) reply

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Relisting comment: merge or delete?
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  • Rename Heads of state of Chinese descent (or Heads of state and heads of government of Chinese descent). 58.152.55.172 ( talk) 09:57, 23 April 2024 (UTC) reply

Category:12th-century French novelists

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The result of the discussion was: merge ( non-admin closure) House Blaster ( talk · he/him) 22:46, 22 April 2024 (UTC) reply
Nominator's rationale: Upmerge for now. The 12th-century novelists category is too small for diffusion by nationality (a.k.a. there's 2 people in the entire tree). Mason ( talk) 23:28, 14 April 2024 (UTC) reply
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Category:Independant Native American countries

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The result of the discussion was: delete ( non-admin closure) House Blaster ( talk · he/him) 22:45, 22 April 2024 (UTC) reply
Nominator's rationale: Or plausibly, just a rename to correct the spelling error. Redundant at best with other categories, the notion of a "country" as we understand it seems dangerously nebulous and unattested in several member articles here. Remsense 诉 22:34, 14 April 2024 (UTC) reply
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Category:Visual artists in late 20th-century Australia

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The result of the discussion was: merge both to Category:20th-century Australian artists. (non-admin closure) House Blaster ( talk · he/him) 13:22, 23 April 2024 (UTC) reply
Nominator's rationale: Can we make these categories more defining? I really don't know what to do with them. Perhaps split by art movement? Mason ( talk) 19:50, 14 April 2024 (UTC) reply
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Category:Food gods

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Category:Canadian mIlitary personnel by city

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The result of the discussion was: speedy renamed as a straightforward spelling error that didn't require debate. Bearcat ( talk) 15:49, 16 April 2024 (UTC) reply
Nominator's rationale: There is a typo in the category name, there should not be a capital I inside "military". ☆ Bri ( talk) 15:54, 14 April 2024 (UTC) reply
  • Rename per WP:C2A, this could have been listed at speedy. Marcocapelle ( talk) 18:33, 14 April 2024 (UTC) reply
  • Speedy rename per WP:C2A. NLeeuw ( talk) 04:41, 16 April 2024 (UTC) reply
  • It's not necessary to take a straightforward spelling error like this to CFD for seven full days of discussion, and this could have been handled as a speedy. Dirty deed already done, dirt cheap. Bearcat ( talk) 15:49, 16 April 2024 (UTC) reply
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Category:Film controversies in Spain

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Category:Dutch cookies

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Category:Rajputana Agency

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Category:Mohave tribe

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Category:Languages with Linglist code

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Category:Beauty goddesses

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The result of the discussion was: keep. (non-admin closure) Toadette ( Let's talk together!) 21:12, 21 April 2024 (UTC) reply
Nominator's rationale: Vague categorization based on "associated with". PepperBeast (talk) 13:58, 6 April 2024 (UTC) reply

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  • Keep Goddesses like Lakshmi are linked with Beauty.-- Redtigerxyz Talk 05:41, 14 April 2024 (UTC) reply
  • Keep This is a rare instance in which association may be WP:DEFINING, as deities are defined by what humans believe about them. As examining what or how deities really are, or if they even exist, is beyond human capacity, human beliefs about what they are, and associations about what they do, need to be central in how we categorise them, as long as associations are not WP:UNDUE. NLeeuw ( talk) 14:50, 14 April 2024 (UTC) reply
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Category:Tigers in Meitei culture

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April 13

Category:NFL marching bands

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The result of the discussion was: rename ( non-admin closure) House Blaster ( talk · he/him) 17:38, 21 April 2024 (UTC) reply
Nominator's rationale: C2C. Trivialist ( talk) 23:13, 13 April 2024 (UTC) reply
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Category:Sovietism

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The result of the discussion was: delete ( non-admin closure) House Blaster ( talk · he/him) 17:41, 21 April 2024 (UTC) reply
Nominator's rationale: As category statute itself states, "Articles relating to Sovietisms, the neologisms and cliches in the Russian language of the epoch of the Soviet Union." But this is perfectly covered by Category:Soviet phraseology, for the first. For the second, someone included into it the categories Neo-Sovietism‎ (3 C, 32 P) Stalinism‎ (16 C, 112 P)
whicxh have nothing to do with " neologisms and cliches in the Russian language". - Altenmann >talk 22:36, 13 April 2024 (UTC) reply
  • Delete per nom, or possibly convert to a soft redirect. Marcocapelle ( talk) 05:39, 14 April 2024 (UTC) reply
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Category:Intersex lesbians

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Category:Indian Paintbrush (company) films

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Category:Rocky (film series)

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The result of the discussion was: rename ( non-admin closure) House Blaster ( talk · he/him) 17:43, 21 April 2024 (UTC) reply
Nominator's rationale: C2D per Rocky (franchise). Charles Essie ( talk) 21:13, 13 April 2024 (UTC) reply
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Category:19th-century Roman Catholic church buildings in New Caledonia

Nominator's rationale: Broaden this category to include 19th-century churches of all denominations. There are only two pages in here, and 4 total in the entire Roman Catholic churches in New Caledonia Mason ( talk) 23:02, 26 March 2024 (UTC) reply
  • Both the rename and the merge proposal are keeping the content in the tree of the the dependent territory, so this is not a reason to oppose. Marcocapelle ( talk) 20:22, 27 March 2024 (UTC) reply
  • In that case either keep as it is, or, less preferably, keep a big tent category for Roman Catholic churches of all collectivités d'outre-mer along with the sole pays d'outre-mer and the collectivité sui generis. 61.244.93.97 ( talk) 09:27, 28 March 2024 (UTC) reply
  • I countered your argument in my previous reply. Then it does not make sense to repeat your "keep" without any new argument. Marcocapelle ( talk) 22:57, 28 March 2024 (UTC) reply
    FYI to the closer this IP is probably WP:LTA/HKGW Mason ( talk) 02:07, 3 April 2024 (UTC) reply

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  • Marcocapelle you didn't have a single word on the big-tent proposal on a category for all collectivités d'outre-mer, the pays d'outre-mer and the collectivité sui generis. What's your take? (...are keeping the content in the tree of the the dependent territory... And no I don't mean generally the tree under Category:Dependent territories but Category:19th-century Roman Catholic church buildings by dependent territory specifically.) 61.244.93.97 ( talk) 08:11, 7 April 2024 (UTC) reply

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@ Marcocapelle, @ Mason, any compromise here? —  Qwerfjkl talk 17:37, 22 April 2024 (UTC) reply

Category:Films set in the Rajput Empire

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The result of the discussion was: rename ( non-admin closure) House Blaster ( talk · he/him) 17:40, 21 April 2024 (UTC) reply
Nominator's rationale: rename, the category contains films set in various Rajput kingdoms, e.g. the kingdom of Mewar. Marcocapelle ( talk) 20:00, 13 April 2024 (UTC) reply
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Category:Scholars of Greek language

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Category:Arab gangs

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The result of the discussion was: rename ( non-admin closure) Qwerfjkl talk 17:39, 22 April 2024 (UTC) reply
Nominator's rationale: rename, these are Lebanese mafia gangs. Arab is inaccurate, since many Lebanese people do not identify as Arab. Marcocapelle ( talk) 10:14, 5 April 2024 (UTC) reply
Oppose, because I think this category should be kept so that Category:Arab gangs can be merged into it. AHI-3000 ( talk) 21:35, 7 April 2024 (UTC) reply
Wait, what? You want Category:Arab gangs to merged into itself? NLeeuw ( talk) 07:32, 11 April 2024 (UTC) reply

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  • support that the name is bad, but caveat: it should not only be renamed, but recategorized as well, because "Gangs" and "mafia" are different category trees. - Altenmann >talk 22:44, 13 April 2024 (UTC) reply
  • Speedy rename per WP:C2D. Main article is Lebanese mafia. NLeeuw ( talk) 19:48, 19 April 2024 (UTC) reply
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Category:Companies that operate fighter jets

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The result of the discussion was: rename to Category:Fighter aircraft operators. (non-admin closure) Qwerfjkl talk 17:41, 22 April 2024 (UTC) reply
Nominator's rationale: Not sure whether this is an appropriate category, but if so it should align with Category:Fighter aircraft. – Fayenatic London 11:25, 5 April 2024 (UTC) reply
Support I think it's okay to standardize this on "aircraft" instead of "jets". I'm unaware of any companies that currently operate fighters with propellers at a similar scale. Edward Sandstig ( talk) 12:14, 5 April 2024 (UTC) reply

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Category:Studies of right-wing politics

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Category:Paleontology portal

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The result of the discussion was: keep Category:Paleontology portal. Merge Category:Paleontology portals to Category:Biology portals and Category:History portals. (non-admin closure) Qwerfjkl talk 17:48, 22 April 2024 (UTC) reply
Nominator's rationale: These seem to effectively be a duplicate category. I'm bringing the category here in case I'm missing something obvious Mason ( talk) 01:39, 26 March 2024 (UTC) reply

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Relisting comment: Merge target for the plural category?
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Category:Rajput era

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The result of the discussion was: delete ( non-admin closure) House Blaster ( talk · he/him) 17:45, 21 April 2024 (UTC) reply
Nominator's rationale: delete, not a defining characteristic of the articles in the category. In fact the category is quite a hodgepodge of unrelated articles. Marcocapelle ( talk) 19:13, 13 April 2024 (UTC) reply
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Category:Volvo Open Cup

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The result of the discussion was: upmerge. (non-admin closure) Qwerfjkl talk 17:49, 22 April 2024 (UTC) reply
Nominator's rationale: Unhelpful category, as it contains only one article. Bgsu98 (Talk) 18:41, 13 April 2024 (UTC) reply
Comment. It contains two pages now. If not kept, it should be merged to the relevant parent categories, rather than deleted. Mason ( talk) 21:10, 13 April 2024 (UTC) reply
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Category:Women's firsts

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The result of the discussion was: keep. If OP wishes to pursue this nomination further, they are welcome to renominate while tagging all of the categories ( User:Qwerfjkl/scripts/massCFD can help with that) and presenting a substantive reason for deletion. (non-admin closure) House Blaster ( talk · he/him) 17:47, 21 April 2024 (UTC) reply
Nominator's rationale: Created by a user who was indefinitely blocked for disruptive behavior. Векочел ( talk) 16:58, 13 April 2024 (UTC) reply
  • Procedural close. The nominator makes no valid argument for deletion. The editor in question was not evading a ban at the time their account was created; the fact that they were deemed disruptive seven months after they created the category is wholly irrelevant. ——Serial Number 54129 17:16, 13 April 2024 (UTC) reply
  • Keep/Comment. most of these nominations are not tagged. Further, I don't think this is a good reason to nominate a category. These categories seem defining to me as many first female FOO are described as such in the lead. If not kept, the categories should be merged to the relevant women/female occupation categories. Mason ( talk) 21:08, 13 April 2024 (UTC) reply
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Category:First Nations drawing artists

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Category:1950s in Ajmer

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The result of the discussion was: merge ( non-admin closure) House Blaster ( talk · he/him) 17:39, 21 April 2024 (UTC) reply
Nominator's rationale: merge, Ajmer State only existed for six years, so there is no need for diffusion by century or decade. Marcocapelle ( talk) 15:11, 13 April 2024 (UTC) reply
Support per nom. Mason ( talk) 21:10, 13 April 2024 (UTC) reply
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Category:Districts of India by name

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The result of the discussion was: rename to Category:Wikipedia categories named after districts of India and make hidden. (non-admin closure) House Blaster ( talk · he/him) 17:48, 21 April 2024 (UTC) reply
Nominator's rationale: delete, "by name" is not diffusing anything. In theory the category should be merged to Category:Districts of India but the content is already in that target's subcategories. Marcocapelle ( talk) 14:52, 13 April 2024 (UTC) reply
  • Ok, it is not clear to me what purpose this has, but let's then just apply this existing convention. Marcocapelle ( talk) 10:22, 20 April 2024 (UTC) reply
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17th and 18th century in the Mughal Empire

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Category:German pies

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The result of the discussion was: delete ( non-admin closure) House Blaster ( talk · he/him) 17:39, 21 April 2024 (UTC) reply
Nominator's rationale: There is no concept of "pie" in Germany other than as something imported from Britain or the US, compare de:Pie. Calling these particular German Kuchen "pies" is WP:SYNTH original research. See discussion at Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Germany#Zwetschgenkuchen. — Kusma ( talk) 13:24, 13 April 2024 (UTC) reply
There is a corresponding template, compare Wikipedia:Templates_for_discussion/Log/2024_April_13#Template:German_pies. — Kusma ( talk) 13:25, 13 April 2024 (UTC) reply
  • Delete, the three articles are already in Category:German cakes which is a better place for them. Marcocapelle ( talk) 13:38, 13 April 2024 (UTC) reply
  • Delete; agree with Kusma that the concept of pie (as a separate category of food from cake) seems to have no meaning in German cuisine. Valereee ( talk) 14:43, 13 April 2024 (UTC) reply
  • Delete per nom, Marco and Valereee. NLeeuw ( talk) 03:17, 14 April 2024 (UTC) reply
  • Delete. Agreed, there is no such thing as pies in German cuisine, and all three of the entries listed here are cakes, not pies. Ejgreen77 ( talk) 20:19, 14 April 2024 (UTC) reply
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Category:Battles involving the Pratihara Empire

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The result of the discussion was: dual merge to Category:Wars involving the Pratihara Empire and Category:Battles involving the Indian kingdoms. (non-admin closure) House Blaster ( talk · he/him) 23:05, 23 April 2024 (UTC) reply
Nominator's rationale: merge for now, currently just one article in the category, without objection to recreate the category when some more articles are available. Marcocapelle ( talk) 08:31, 13 April 2024 (UTC) reply
  • Dual upmerge for now without prejudice per nom. NLeeuw ( talk) 03:18, 14 April 2024 (UTC) reply
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Category:1940s jazz album stubs

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The result of the discussion was: Merge the categories but Keep the templates. * Pppery * it has begun... 00:05, 24 April 2024 (UTC) reply
Nominator's rationale: The templates, {{ 1940s-jazz-album-stub}} and {{ 2020s-jazz-album-stub}}, were created a year ago without being proposed at WP:WSS/P. With very few articles to populate the categories, I notified the creator and upmerged the templates, negating the need for these two categories. The categories were recently recreated (without any proposal) but still only contain 2 and 5 articles. The templates should either be upmerged again or outright deleted due to the low number of candidates, but there is no need yet for the categories. Starcheerspeaksnewslostwars Talk to me 07:00, 13 April 2024 (UTC) reply
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Category:Battles involving Bengal

Nominator's rationale: merge, battles are diffused by (former) countries and Bengal was not a country. Marcocapelle ( talk) 06:52, 13 April 2024 (UTC) reply
  • Ok that is a reasonable alternative, but then still the content should be added to Category:Battles involving the Indian kingdoms too. Marcocapelle ( talk) 12:29, 13 April 2024 (UTC) reply
    • @ Marcocapelle: it should only be a selective merge to that parent, because many of the articles are already in other subcats of that one, and I'm not sure whether the others belong there. I suggest you watch the category and merge any valid missing items yourself if the rename goes through. – Fayenatic London 15:15, 20 April 2024 (UTC) reply


Category:Warsaw Veterinary Institute alumni

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The result of the discussion was: delete ( non-admin closure) House Blaster ( talk · he/him) 17:39, 21 April 2024 (UTC) reply
Nominator's rationale: Upmerge for now. Do we really need such a deep category tree for a single alumnus? Neither of the institutions have wikipedia pages Don State Agrarian University, Warsaw Veterinary Institute. Mason ( talk) 04:27, 13 April 2024 (UTC) reply
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Category:United States Sports Academy

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The result of the discussion was: delete ( non-admin closure) House Blaster ( talk · he/him) 17:38, 21 April 2024 (UTC) reply
Nominator's rationale: These categories only have the eponymous article in it and the logo of the college. In theory, upmerge for now, but in reality, delete because the page is already categorized. Mason ( talk) 04:13, 13 April 2024 (UTC) reply
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15 to 21 days old

April 12

Native American artists by gender

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Category:United Center

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The result of the discussion was: delete ( non-admin closure) House Blaster ( talk · he/him) 18:41, 20 April 2024 (UTC) reply
Nominator's rationale: WP:OCEPON. Tagged by Namiba on February 4 but not listed. * Pppery * it has begun... 21:21, 12 April 2024 (UTC) reply
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Category:Serer presidents

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The result of the discussion was: merge ( non-admin closure) Qwerfjkl talk 20:46, 21 April 2024 (UTC) reply
Nominator's rationale: I don't think we should be diffusing at the intersection of ethnicity and specific political office. Also as a follow up to Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2023_November_30#Category:Serer_jurists Mason ( talk) 21:05, 12 April 2024 (UTC) reply
Oppose: Senegal has had 5 presidents since independence. 3 of those 5 were Serers as the cat clearly shows. The 4th had a Serer mother and a Serer wife. And we have not even accounted for Gambia and Mauritania where the Serer people are also found. I think this cat is pretty useful to the general reader and has great potential. There is no policy that I know of that states we can't do that. If that's the case, then there is no point in having cats for ethnicities and nationalities e.g. English actors, Scottish actors, etc.... Tamsier ( talk) 02:00, 13 April 2024 (UTC) reply
But how does it meet the criteria for defining intersection, under WP:EGRS/IThat's the policy that this category doesn't meet the keep criteria for. Your arguments don't address the lack of defining intersection. Comparing this category to English actors is not comparable. We don't have English presidents, but we do have English politicians. Mason ( talk) 21:27, 13 April 2024 (UTC) reply
  • Merge per WP:OCEGRS. Marcocapelle ( talk) 08:42, 13 April 2024 (UTC) reply
    Cat:Serer presidents is implemented in order to split cat:Serer people - which is permitted by OCEGRS. It helps us split notable Serers into their profession rather than lumping them all into the Cat:Serer people. To do that, would overload Cat:Serer people and would not help the reader at all. In fact, most notable Serers have not been added to this Cat for exactly that reason. The cat:Serer people should only contain Serer people, Saafi people, Niominka people, Serer-Laalaa, Ndut people, Palor people, etc., in the main Cat, and then sub cats for Serer people based on their profession. In my view, this would be more useful and helpful to the reader. Tamsier ( talk) 14:03, 13 April 2024 (UTC) reply
    But it isn't helping diffuse Serer people. It's a subcategory of Serer politicians. Mason ( talk) 21:22, 13 April 2024 (UTC) reply
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Category:Categories needing manual work before deletion

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The result of the discussion was: rename ( non-admin closure) Qwerfjkl talk 20:47, 21 April 2024 (UTC) reply
Nominator's rationale: not all categories here will be deleted; some are just being purged. House Blaster ( talk · he/him) 20:35, 12 April 2024 (UTC) reply
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Category:Serer cardinals

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The result of the discussion was: merge ( non-admin closure) Qwerfjkl talk 20:47, 21 April 2024 (UTC) reply
Nominator's rationale: Upmerge for now. There's only one cardinal that meets this criteria, which is unhelpful for navigation. If not merged, I think we should broaden the category to clergy or religious workers. Mason ( talk) 19:27, 12 April 2024 (UTC) reply
Oppose: In Senegal and Gambia, but especially Senegal were the Serer are the third largest ethnic group, this community constitute the majority of the Christian community. I get your argument, but I truly believe this category is extremely helpful, and would provide even greater help to the reader in the future. There are more people that could potentially be added to this cat. I therefore urge the community to give it time and keep it as is. Tamsier ( talk) 20:23, 12 April 2024 (UTC) reply
What other cardinals can be added? It's been 10 years since the category was created. I feel like that's more than enough time. And if sufficiently more people exist, those categories can be created again. Relevant: CFD that ended with deletion. Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2023 November 30#Category:Serer jurists Mason ( talk) 21:08, 12 April 2024 (UTC) reply
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Category:Egyptian Football League clubs

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The result of the discussion was: rename ( non-admin closure) House Blaster ( talk · he/him) 18:40, 20 April 2024 (UTC) reply
Nominator's rationale: To match parent article and category, Egyptian Premier League. Ben5218 ( talk) 18:25, 12 April 2024 (UTC) reply
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Category:Original programming

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The result of the discussion was: merge to Category:Television shows. (non-admin closure) House Blaster ( talk · he/him) 17:37, 21 April 2024 (UTC) reply
Nominator's rationale: Redundant category. Although we do use the "original programming" wording in for "television programs by network" categories, that's only because we want television programs to be categorized only for the service they were actually original to, and not for services that picked up rebroadcast rights -- for instance, a show that is original to NBC in the United States would be catted as NBC original programming, but would not get categorized for its rebroadcast by CTV in Canada, ITV in the UK or Seven in Australia.
But literally by definition, every television program is "original" to some television service or other -- a television program can't exist at all without being "original" to some television channel, network or streaming platform -- which just makes this functionally indistinguishable from Category:Television programming. Bearcat ( talk) 18:01, 12 April 2024 (UTC) reply
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Category:2023 farm sims

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The result of the discussion was: merge ( non-admin closure) House Blaster ( talk · he/him) 16:50, 19 April 2024 (UTC) reply
Nominator's rationale: Overcategorization by intersection of unrelated characteristics. Category:Farming video games does not have any scheme of subcategorizing its contents by individual year of release, and the Category:Video games by year tree doesn't have any established scheme of subcategorizing games for the intersection of genre with year of release either -- so this is the only category of this type that exists at all, but special treatment isn't necessary for just four games.
All four games have been left in the 2023 video games parent alongside this, so no upmerging is necessary in that direction. Bearcat ( talk) 16:36, 12 April 2024 (UTC) reply
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Category:Wikipedia community campaigns

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The result of the discussion was: rename to Category:Wikimedia community projects. (non-admin closure) House Blaster ( talk · he/him) 13:16, 23 April 2024 (UTC) reply
Nominator's rationale: I recently made this category and it does not have broad use. The better name is "Wikimedia community project" because Wikimedia community project (Q56248902) already has some use in Wikidata, and it is the same concept. Bluerasberry (talk) 13:09, 12 April 2024 (UTC) reply
@ Marcocapelle and HouseBlaster: The plural is correct and singular is an error. Yes I support. Bluerasberry (talk) 07:49, 23 April 2024 (UTC) reply
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Category:Politicians of the Second Polish Republic

Relisted, see Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2024 April 21#Category:Politicians of the Second Polish Republic

Politicians of the Korean Empire

Relisted, see Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2024 April 21#Politicians of the Korean Empire

Category:Politicians of the Kingdom of the Two Sicilies

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The result of the discussion was: manual merge. (non-admin closure) Qwerfjkl talk 20:52, 21 April 2024 (UTC) reply
Nominator's rationale: Manual merge to parents as appropriate. E.g. although the lede for Ferdinando Petruccelli della Gattina says he was a politician, he seems rather to have been a journalist. If not merged, then rename to Category:Politicians from the Kingdom of the Two Sicilies using "from" as above. – Fayenatic London 15:26, 12 April 2024 (UTC) reply
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Category:Politicians of the Democratic Republic of Afghanistan

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Category:Hosts of the CCTV New Year's Gala

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The result of the discussion was: delete ( non-admin closure) House Blaster ( talk · he/him) 16:49, 19 April 2024 (UTC) reply
Nominator's rationale: WP:PERFCAT -- wooden superman 11:10, 12 April 2024 (UTC) reply
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Category:Sesame Street crew

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The result of the discussion was: delete ( non-admin closure) House Blaster ( talk · he/him) 16:49, 19 April 2024 (UTC) reply
Nominator's rationale: Cast and crew fail WP:PERFCAT. -- wooden superman 09:59, 12 April 2024 (UTC) reply
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Category:Muppet performers

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Category:Star Wars: Knights of the Old Republic developers

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The result of the discussion was: delete ( non-admin closure) House Blaster ( talk · he/him) 16:49, 19 April 2024 (UTC) reply
Nominator's rationale: Categorising by specific production follows the same logic as WP:PERFCAT. Category:Video game developers is sufficient. -- wooden superman 09:42, 12 April 2024 (UTC) reply
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Category:Fallout (series) developers

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The result of the discussion was: delete ( non-admin closure) House Blaster ( talk · he/him) 16:49, 19 April 2024 (UTC) reply
Nominator's rationale: Categorising by specific production follows the same logic as WP:PERFCAT. Category:Video game developers is sufficient. -- wooden superman 09:41, 12 April 2024 (UTC) reply
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Category:Children of Humayun Ahmed

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The result of the discussion was: merge ( non-admin closure) House Blaster ( talk · he/him) 16:49, 19 April 2024 (UTC) reply
Nominator's rationale: WP:NOTINHERITED. Nearly all the other entries in Category:Children by person are historical/dynastic. -- wooden superman 07:52, 12 April 2024 (UTC) reply
  • Merge, while I am not sure how WP:NOTINHERITED would apply here, it is not worth keeping this category with only two entries, this is not helpful for navigation. Marcocapelle ( talk) 16:13, 12 April 2024 (UTC) reply
    My understanding is that if notability is not inherited, then categorisation in this manner is not defining. -- wooden superman 17:09, 12 April 2024 (UTC) reply
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Lighthouses

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The result of the discussion was: Merge * Pppery * it has begun... 00:04, 24 April 2024 (UTC) reply
Nominator's rationale: merge, isolated year categories. Marcocapelle ( talk) 07:15, 12 April 2024 (UTC) reply
  • This nomination would surreptitiously empty "transport infrastructure" year categories (see Category:Transport infrastructure by year of completion). If a nomination would empty a differently-named layer, then it would be good practice to tag and list those categories. In this case, however, since Lighthouses are part of the Transport infrastructure hierarchy, merge but use "transport infrastructure" year categories as the second target in each case, rather than "infrastructure". – Fayenatic London 09:32, 13 April 2024 (UTC) reply
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Category:Mayor and cabinet executives

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The result of the discussion was: rename ( non-admin closure) House Blaster ( talk · he/him) 16:49, 19 April 2024 (UTC) reply
Nominator's rationale: rename per actual content, the category does not contain articles about mayors but instead articles about local authorities. Marcocapelle ( talk) 07:03, 12 April 2024 (UTC) reply
  • Support, the new name would certainly help reflect the existing content. -- Zanimum ( talk) 23:05, 16 April 2024 (UTC) reply
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Category:Wikipedians who reject a sexual preference label

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Category:Fraggle Rock albums

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The result of the discussion was: merge ( non-admin closure) House Blaster ( talk · he/him) 18:39, 20 April 2024 (UTC) reply
Nominator's rationale: Only contains one article, this is the only category that it makes sense to merge to. (Oinkers42) ( talk) 02:57, 12 April 2024 (UTC) reply
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Category:Children of princesses regnant

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The result of the discussion was: merge to Category:Princesses regnant. (non-admin closure) House Blaster ( talk · he/him) 18:39, 20 April 2024 (UTC) reply
Nominator's rationale: Aside from sons and daughters, I think no other subcategories are expected any time soon. That makes this a redundant layer to be dual-upmerged for now without prejudice. NLeeuw ( talk) 01:13, 12 April 2024 (UTC) reply
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Category:American politicians who are the sole member of their party in statewide office

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The result of the discussion was: delete. Before I get to the analysis of how I reached a "delete" outcome, I want to say that this is one of the nastiest discussions I have seen in a while. Comments about editors (to arbitrarily pick one example, Editors insisting that this category is completely arbitrary is eyeroll-worthy) can easily be rephrased without attacking other editors (such as The idea that this category is completely arbitrary is eyeroll-worthy; this is not to say that is a particularly strong argument, but it is certainly stronger than attacking good-faith contributors).

Numerically this is a wash, with five editors supporting deletion to three editors wishing to keep the category. While discussions on Wikipedia are not votes, the head count is not completely irrelevant either. However, as was pointed out, some very blatant canvassing has taken place ( 1, 2, 3, 4). Discarding BottleOfChocolateMilk's !vote, which was directly canvased at their talk page, we have five editors who support deletion to two editors who support keeping the category.

To overcome such numbers, the arguments in favor of keeping the category must be fairly strong. Supporters of keeping the category pointed to reliable sources which used "only statewide elected elected official of a given party" as descriptor of given politicians. People supporting deletion countered by saying they are trivial, arbitrary characteristics. Neither argument is particularly stronger than the other, so as closer it would be supervoting to close as keep in the face of more than 2:1 opposition.

As always, I welcome questions/comments/concerns about this close (or anything I have done in general!) at my talk page. (non-admin closure) House Blaster ( talk · he/him) 18:38, 20 April 2024 (UTC) reply

Nominator's rationale: Wikipedia:Overcategorization as non-defining, trivial, narrow, possibly others. This category is also temporary. If a Republican wins in Maine's 2nd congressional district this fall, then Susan Collins no longer qualifies. If Mary Peltola or Jon Tester lose reelection, they no longer qualify. Joe Manchin isn't running for reelection, so he comes out when his term expires. Also, as noted in the category, this can be incomplete or inaccurate as state supreme court justices are not always partisan, but they may be members of parties. –  Muboshgu ( talk) 00:56, 12 April 2024 (UTC) reply
  • Delete per nom. One might just as well create a Category:American politicians who like eating chips, live on the 3rd floor and are named Kyle. NLeeuw ( talk) 01:16, 12 April 2024 (UTC) reply
  • Delete per nom. Marcocapelle ( talk) 06:05, 12 April 2024 (UTC) reply
  • Keep Pretty much every complaint listed here is arbitrary, subjective and baseless. This is a key measure of partisanship and political party strength. It is relevant to understanding the electoral geography of the United States. Yes, circumstances will change with the occurrence of elections and require the page to be updated. That can be done easily and promptly. You have apparently invented your own rule requiring categories to be permanently included on pages. There are plenty of categories which require people to be "current" in holding a position. (Although your Maine example is obviously mistaken, considering the fact that the congressional district is not a statewide office, the Alaska and WV examples are true, but not a valid reason for deletion). The potato chip analogy is intellectually insulting - you are arguing that this key measure of partisanship in states is as relevant as someone's snack food preferences? With all due respect, that is ridiculous. The supreme court justice caveat is merely an acknowledgement that the affiliation of some offices cannot be reliably or consistently sourced. Warning editors against making baseless assumptions does not mean that the category is invalid. 1Matt20 (talk) 18:00, 12 April 2024 (UTC) reply
    • Just wanted to add Category:Current elections as one of many examples proving that there is no prohibition whatsoever on so-called "temporary" categories. Also, look at the tables on each of the pages included in Category:Political party strength in the United States by state. How is that strength measured? By color coding, letting the reader know when members of political parties last held statewide office or legislative control. This category isolates that information, leading the reader from a page about an individual politician to broader knowledge of ideological trends and electoral geography. 1Matt20 (talk) 18:23, 12 April 2024 (UTC) reply
      Category:Current elections is a maintenance category populated by {{ Current election}}. Category:Political party strength in the United States by state is a category of pages on political party strength, and while that strength changes, the pages in the category won't. Legit point on my error on Susan Collins. A Republican governor or senator elected in Maine would remove her from this category, though. That makes this non-defining for the politicians in the category for sure, as well as possibly other forms of overcategorization as listed on that page. So there's nothing "arbitrary, subjective, or baseless" about my nom. –  Muboshgu ( talk) 18:31, 12 April 2024 (UTC) reply
      You have restated your personal belief that having to eventually remove a page from a category makes it non-defining. You are unable to actually point me to a categorization rule which requires every category to be binding forever. Wikipedia is edited responsively to reflect current events, and I can assure you I will keep this category updated to the occurrence of elections. You are unable to respond to my rebuttal that the supreme court justice caveat merely asks editors to not make unsourced assumptions based on the party of governors who appointed justices. Finally, before I created this category, other editors had already noted the politicians included as the sole remaining officeholders of their parties (quite prominently, on the intros of bio pages). Because that will change one day, must it be considered utterly irrelevant information on Wikipedia? 1Matt20 ( talk) 18:46, 12 April 2024 (UTC) reply
      Delete per nom. I think it is an arbcat and it isn't a defining characteristic for the people in the category. This seems arbitrary. Why not two office holders? Why not zero? Mason ( talk) 21:14, 12 April 2024 (UTC) reply
      I am having a very difficult time wrapping my head around this mentality. If there is only one statewide officeholder from a political party, it is an clear sign of ideological domination and resource disparity. How on earth is that a meaningless consideration? Saying "Why not zero?" is pure sophistry. 1Matt20 ( talk) 21:19, 12 April 2024 (UTC) reply
      I'd like to delve specifically into what WP:ARBITRARYCAT uses as examples: Top 7% test scores, 100th episodes. These are indeed random markers - they don't tell you anything. If there is only one member of a political party left in statewide office, that is plainly informative about the state's partisan lean. It is notable because it is the most glaring signal possible of an officeholder's resistance to trends - they are unusually popular, their views don't reflect their party's typical base, etc. Hence why a person's status as final statewide officeholder is frequently cited in Wikipedia biographies as well as in the media. 1Matt20 ( talk) 22:23, 12 April 2024 (UTC) reply
      Do you have examples of person's status as final statewide officeholder being used as defining characteristic of the person? Because I really don't see how this is defining for the person. I think it's defining for the office or the party, but not the person. Mason ( talk) 21:21, 13 April 2024 (UTC) reply
      You are conjuring mutual exclusivity out of thin air. It is defining for the party, the office, and especially for the person - the individual whose name is actually on the ballot, whose unique public identity allows them to be the only statewide official from their party, resisting headwinds of power balance in their state.
      I could go on and on with examples: Joe Manchin criticizes his party's incumbent president at an unusual rate and openly flirted with third-party registration. Mary Peltola votes against her party 12% of the time, the fourth highest of her colleagues, compared with just 6% defection rate by the average House Democrat. Susan Collins was the only Republican senator to vote against confirming Amy Coney Barrett to the Supreme Court. Although he is a Democrat, Brian Gaines was appointed Comptroller of South Carolina by a Republican in order to move the office on from a corruption scandal. Are you noticing a pattern yet? If you're the only statewide representative of your party left, you are incentivized to be a "maverick."
      I expect you or the others on this thread to somehow contort each example into "not applying to the person." You are all making distinctions without differences, just arbitrarily splitting hairs at the cost of a category which streamlines comprehension of US political strategy and electoral geography. This perspective is baffling to me: "A holdout who defies the odds to be rewarded by the electorate for their unique image? Oh, that doesn't possibly mean anything." 1Matt20 ( talk) 00:03, 14 April 2024 (UTC) reply
  • Keep as a less temporal version of Category:American politicians who are the most recent member of their party to hold statewide office. This category is widely discussed in mainstream reliable sources (though not by this specific name), as "maverick" politicians usually have outsize impact on American politics. -- Habst ( talk) 17:06, 17 April 2024 (UTC) reply
    Alternative to deletion: split into two separate categories, Category:Sole Democrats in Republican-majority U.S. states and Category:Sole Republicans in Democratic-majority U.S. states, with further explanation in the category pages. -- Habst ( talk) 17:13, 17 April 2024 (UTC) reply
But why? BottleOfChocolateMilk ( talk) 17:16, 17 April 2024 (UTC) reply
  • Keep Editors insisting that this category is completely arbitrary is eyeroll-worthy. If someone is the one and only member of their party holding statewide office in their state, that is very plainly noteworthy. News coverage of such officeholders frequently mention their status as the only Democrat/Republican holding statewide office in their state; see news coverage of Nicole Galloway, Nikki Fried, Rob Sand, Kim Wyman, etc. BottleOfChocolateMilk ( talk) 17:16, 17 April 2024 (UTC) reply
    Trivia is not defining. To use one example, the fact that Susan Collins is temporarily the only Republican elected to a statewide office does not define her. At various times during her career in the Senate, fellow Republicans Paul LePage and Olympia Snowe were also elected to statewide office. Her temporary status as the only statewide elected Republican is non-defining.-- User:Namiba 17:37, 19 April 2024 (UTC) reply
  • Delete as arbitrary and temporary. Susan Collins is far from being the only Republican to have served in statewide office in Maine. This category is a classic example of WP:PRESENTISM.-- User:Namiba 19:00, 17 April 2024 (UTC) reply
    You are completely mistaken about what the category means. It is for politicians who are CURRENTLY the only statewide officeholder. 1Matt20 ( talk) 19:02, 17 April 2024 (UTC) reply
    Wikipedia:Don't bludgeon the process. WP:BADGERING editors doesn't enhance your cause. I believe that this category should be deleted.-- User:Namiba 19:14, 17 April 2024 (UTC) reply
    I am simply responding to you. You'd be right if the category was named "American politicians who are the only member of their party to ever serve in statewide office." That is not the name, and therefore not the meaning. You are entitled to your belief and vote, even if it is based on a misinterpretation. I am entitled to respectfully engage until the discussion is closed. 1Matt20 ( talk) 19:17, 17 April 2024 (UTC) reply
  • Comment: Canvassed by 1Matt20 at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Politics [7] and Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Biography [8] (and also User talk:Tom.Reding and User talk:BottleOfChocolateMilk) with appeal for Keep votes, some description of arguments for deletion, and The Delete voters have been largely unresponsive, and even when they do respond, have been argumentatively selective and engage in sophistry. NebY ( talk) 19:13, 17 April 2024 (UTC) reply
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Category:American Football (band)

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The result of the discussion was: withdrawn. (non-admin closure) Queen of Hearts 06:10, 12 April 2024 (UTC) reply
Nominator's rationale: User:JDBauby just added all the albums into this category and that is not helpful for navigation. This should be deleted, the albums kept in their appropriate album-related categories and band members put into Category:American Football (band) members, leaving this main category too small to exist. ― Justin (koavf)❤ T☮ C☺ M☯ 08:21, 4 April 2024 (UTC) reply
if everything was organised (albums -> discography, members -> band members, etc.), would it not be good to have a master category that held all of these subcategories? JDBauby ( talk) 08:25, 4 April 2024 (UTC) reply
  • Cleaned it up a bit. Three subcats (albums, songs, members) plus a discography page have been enough to keep such eponymous parent cats in the past. Starcheerspeaksnewslostwars Talk to me 22:38, 4 April 2024 (UTC) reply
    Withdrawn Per above: three legit categories and three legit articles in the main category is the bare minimum. ― Justin (koavf)❤ T☮ C☺ M☯ 03:03, 12 April 2024 (UTC) reply

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Category:American insect pathologists

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The result of the discussion was: triple merge to all of the targets suggested. (non-admin closure) Qwerfjkl talk 20:54, 21 April 2024 (UTC) reply
Nominator's rationale: Dual upmerge. There are only two people in this category, which isn't helpful for navigation. Especially, when these are the only two pages in the Insect pathologists tree Mason ( talk) 00:30, 4 April 2024 (UTC) reply

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: For more opinions on where to merge.
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Either of the Merge targets that Marcocapelle has proposed are fine with me Mason ( talk) 21:21, 13 April 2024 (UTC) reply
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Category:Canadian people of Arab descent

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The result of the discussion was: merge as unopposed. (non-admin closure) Queen of ♡ | speak 03:25, 19 April 2024 (UTC) reply
Nominator's rationale: merge, the content of this category is not only about ethnic Arabs but also about all sorts of other ethnic groups in the Middle East (Coptic, Assyrian etc.), to such an extent that it almost resembles the Middle East category. Marcocapelle ( talk) 21:19, 11 April 2024 (UTC) reply
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Category:Wikipedians whose articles for creation was denied

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The result of the discussion was: delete ( non-admin closure) House Blaster ( talk · he/him) 01:45, 19 April 2024 (UTC) reply
Nominator's rationale: Fails WP:USERCAT for lacking any discernible collaborative function. * Pppery * it has begun... 20:15, 11 April 2024 (UTC) reply
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Category:Wikipedians who never listen to country music

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The result of the discussion was: delete ( non-admin closure) House Blaster ( talk · he/him) 01:45, 19 April 2024 (UTC) reply
Nominator's rationale: WP:OC/U#not-based * Pppery * it has begun... 20:15, 11 April 2024 (UTC) reply
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Category:Wikipedians who have been abducted by Thebiguglyalien

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The result of the discussion was: speedy delete per WP:G7. (non-admin closure) Queen of Hearts 23:58, 11 April 2024 (UTC) reply
Nominator's rationale: WP:OC/U#jokes WP:OC/U#Personal userspace categories. I hope you enjoyed April Fools Day 2024 everyone (I didn't, because it keeps leaving messes I have to clean up), but there's no reason for this category's continued existence. * Pppery * it has begun... 19:51, 11 April 2024 (UTC) reply
  • Delete per nom, but don't take this as G7, as I created to fix a redlink. Courtesy ping: Sawyer-mcdonell, who was the first to add this to his userpage. Queen of Hearts 20:06, 11 April 2024 (UTC) reply
    fine with me ... sawyer * he/they * talk 20:08, 11 April 2024 (UTC) reply
    Tagged for G7. Queen of Hearts 22:33, 11 April 2024 (UTC) reply
  • Delete per nom. Marcocapelle ( talk) 21:21, 11 April 2024 (UTC) reply
  • comment creator of the category has G7'ed it. —usernamekiran (talk) 22:42, 11 April 2024 (UTC) reply
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Category:Wikipedians supporting social democracy

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The result of the discussion was: delete ( non-admin closure) House Blaster ( talk · he/him) 01:46, 19 April 2024 (UTC) reply
Nominator's rationale: WP:OC/U#Advocacy * Pppery * it has begun... 19:51, 11 April 2024 (UTC) reply
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Category:Wikipedians loving software updates

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The result of the discussion was: delete ( non-admin closure) House Blaster ( talk · he/him) 01:46, 19 April 2024 (UTC) reply
Nominator's rationale: WP:OC/U#Irrelevant likes * Pppery * it has begun... 19:51, 11 April 2024 (UTC) reply
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Category:Wikipedians with blue-linked categories on their user page

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The result of the discussion was: delete. From WP:USERCATNO (linked by the nom):

Categories that are jokes/nonsense
This includes any grouping of users that is patently false (e.g. Wikipedians who are zombies, Wikipedians in their 780s), nonsensical (e.g. Userpages That Are Full Of LOL), undecipherable (e.g. Wikipedians who Watch animals from their POV), or created primarily for humourous or satirical purposes (e.g. Wikipedians who are one of an infinite number of monkeys). (my emphasis). Category clearly meets this. (non-admin closure) Qwerfjkl talk 20:14, 20 April 2024 (UTC) reply

Nominator's rationale: WP:OC/U#All-inclusive WP:OC/U#jokes * Pppery * it has begun... 19:51, 11 April 2024 (UTC) reply
@ Pppery: See WP:JUSTAPOLICY. Someone who's wrong on the internet ( talk) 09:22, 18 April 2024 (UTC) reply
  • @ Someone who's wrong on the internet: you are linking to an essay and it is unclear per part of the essay how many users agree with it. Marcocapelle ( talk) 16:28, 18 April 2024 (UTC) reply
    I don't believe they were saying it is policy, nor do I think they were saying that it is something that needs to be agreed with. The essay points out a number of weak arguments that seem stronger than they actually are, or that are logical fallacies, etc. In this case, "per nom" is a very weak argument. Strong would be to retype the nom's argument exactly. Stronger still would be to restate the nom's argument in your own words. - UtherSRG (talk) 16:35, 18 April 2024 (UTC) reply
    • Copying nom's argument or restating the argument in different words does not add any new argument either, and that is what matters. The point is that nom's argument as such is strong enough to convince other editors. Marcocapelle ( talk) 18:40, 18 April 2024 (UTC) reply
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Category:Jewish communities in Palestine temporarily abandoned during the mandate period

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The result of the discussion was: delete Category:Jewish communities in Palestine temporarily abandoned during the mandate period. The other category has been split from my original closure. (non-admin closure) Qwerfjkl talk 20:18, 20 April 2024 (UTC) reply
Nominator's rationale: I don't know what to name these categories, but I think they needs more clear names. Mason ( talk) 03:23, 2 April 2024 (UTC) reply

To editor Qwerfjkl:, I request that you reopen this case. No rationale at all was provided for "Jewish villages depopulated in Mandatory Palestine", and it seems like nobody actually checked what the category represents. What this rename means is that almost all the articles in the category will have to be removed from it because these places were only abandoned for a short time before the inhabitants returned. They were not "depopulated". The category will end up with only one or two entries. Zero talk 23:12, 10 April 2024 (UTC) reply

  • @ Qwerfjkl: by all means reopen/relist the discussion. For the record, the objection only applies to the first nominated category. Marcocapelle ( talk) 16:30, 11 April 2024 (UTC) reply

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Reopened per request.
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  • I notice now that I had omitted the word "temporarily" merely by accident. However if these villages were abandoned for only a short period then it is not a defining characteristic and Category:Jewish communities in Palestine temporarily abandoned during the mandate period should be deleted rather than renamed. Marcocapelle ( talk) 18:39, 11 April 2024 (UTC) reply
  • (Only referring to the first category in this comment.) My first preference is for the category to be deleted, and my second preference is for the current name (with "temporarily") to be kept. There are only a tiny number of places in the list that can reasonably be said to have been "depopulated" and some are not really "communities" (such as a cluster of houses inside a city). Zero talk 02:53, 12 April 2024 (UTC) reply
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Natural history

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The result of the discussion was: delete ( non-admin closure) Qwerfjkl talk 20:25, 20 April 2024 (UTC) reply
Nominator's rationale: delete, Natural history used to be what we call Natural sciences today, the umbrella term of biology, physics, chemistry etc. The current meaning of natural history is very fuzzy. The content of these categories largely overlaps with Category:Environment of Afghanistan, Category:Environment of Albania etc. If consensus about this is likely I will also add the other countries. Marcocapelle ( talk) 17:28, 11 April 2024 (UTC) reply
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Category:Words and phrases by language

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The result of the discussion was: no consensus. (non-admin closure) Qwerfjkl talk 20:35, 21 April 2024 (UTC) reply
Nominator's rationale: Many subcategories in it have the 'statute', like, ""This category is not for articles about concepts and things but only for articles about the words themselves. Please keep this category purged of everything that is not actually an article about a word or phrase". However I checked a couple and see that people dont care and put there items that are just about subjects that have title in foreingn language, such as e.g. Goralenvolk, Gokenin, Gradonachalnik.
  • Shall we undertake a really massive cleanup (and put these cats on watchlist to prevent from "contamination", since it will most surely happen )
  • or change the 'statutes' to reflect the status quo? I do feet that catigories, like, category:Russian terms to describe Russian culture are of value.- Altenmann >talk 19:33, 26 March 2024 (UTC) reply
  • P.S. While we are at that, it will make sense to double-check the ledes for proper "XXX is a term for YYY" vs. "XXX is YYY". For example two articles about basically same concept but in different cultures introduced dirfferently:
    • Mazhory (from majors; roughly translates as "the superior ones"[1]) is a slang term used in the Soviet Union and post-Soviet countries for children of privileged people,
  • vs:
    • Princelings (Chinese: 太子党), also translated as the Party's Crown Princes, are the descendants of prominent and influential senior communist officials in the People's Republic of China.
- Altenmann >talk 20:04, 26 March 2024 (UTC) reply
  • If we drop the requirement that the categories only contain articles about words themselves, then they just wouldn't be useful. Wikipedia is not a dictionary. A category containing every article that is a word in a specific language would be far too inclusive.  dummelaksen  ( talk • contribs) 20:02, 26 March 2024 (UTC) reply
    • I dont think WP:NOTDICTIONARY is applicable here. Besides, We have articles such as Yiddish words used in English. Shouldn't the list items with articles be in a matching category?- Altenmann >talk 20:09, 26 March 2024 (UTC) reply
      Not necessarily, I don't think so. The article you mention already fulfills that exact purpose. Essentially my point is that if we drop the requirement in question then articles would be categorised purely based on their titles and not their scope, which I think is overcategorisation. It's not a very strong example of it, so I understand your concern, but I still think it's better if these categories of words and phrases only contain articles about words and phrases.  dummelaksen  ( talk • contribs) 20:35, 28 March 2024 (UTC) reply
      ETA: I think list articles, like Yiddish words used in English, are a much better idea actually. I would be completely fine with list articles like those instead of putting non-word articles in the words categories.  dummelaksen  ( talk • contribs) 20:39, 28 March 2024 (UTC) reply
  • The instruction on these category pages isn't clear at all. We should either remove the requirement or delete the categories. Marcocapelle ( talk) 23:02, 26 March 2024 (UTC) reply
    @ Marcocapelle: out of interest, what about it do you think is unclear?  dummelaksen  ( talk • contribs) 20:27, 28 March 2024 (UTC) reply
    • Words exist for the very purpose of referring to a concept or thing. It is not very well imaginable that we have articles about words that do not also discuss the meaning of the words. Marcocapelle ( talk) 22:51, 28 March 2024 (UTC) reply
      That's fair. Almost every article should have a definition of its title but most articles are much more than just the meaning and usage of the word. In that case, the header should read "articles about the usage of the word in language" or something else to that effect.  dummelaksen  ( talk • contribs) 23:11, 28 March 2024 (UTC) reply
      • @ Dummelaksen: let me rephrase this slightly: "articles mainly about the usage of the word in language". The question is how much % of the article should be about the usage of the word in language in order to qualify for the category. Marcocapelle ( talk) 05:09, 29 March 2024 (UTC) reply
        A good article should be about one thing and one thing only, i.e. an article should be about the word itself, or not about the word itself. So ideally, 100%. In reality a lot of articles in these categories aren't written well so are about the concept, but are inappropriately written like dictionary definitions.
        I've been very conservative thus far, and only removed articles that are clearly about concepts, but many of these articles should be rewritten to avoid WP:NOTDICT and WP:REFERSTO.  dummelaksen  ( talk • contribs) 05:38, 29 March 2024 (UTC) reply

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Should this category continue to exist? If so, how should it be organized? Specific proposals on the latter point would be appreciated!
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, House Blaster ( talk · he/him) 14:59, 3 April 2024 (UTC) reply

  • Basically there are only two options: do nothing or delete. In the first option we may remove the requirement but even when the requirement is kept it will be ignored so the result is the same. Marcocapelle ( talk) 20:10, 6 April 2024 (UTC) reply
    A rule (for lack of a better word) being ignored isn't reason to just give up and delete the categories though.  dummelaksen  ( talk • contribs) 16:07, 7 April 2024 (UTC) reply

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
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Category:Habitats Directive Species

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Category:Vaisala Prize Laureates

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The result of the discussion was: delete ( non-admin closure) Queen of ♡ | speak 19:52, 18 April 2024 (UTC) reply
Nominator's rationale: The name of the prize is Väisälä Prize with umlauts. See the official webpage: https://acadsci.fi/en/grants-and-prizes/vaisala-prize/ Jähmefyysikko ( talk) 08:36, 11 April 2024 (UTC) reply
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Category:South Dakota state representatives

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The result of the discussion was: delete ( non-admin closure) Queen of ♡ | speak 19:52, 18 April 2024 (UTC) reply
Nominator's rationale: this category is relatively small and redundant to the much larger Category:Members of the South Dakota House of Representatives.-- TommyBoy ( talk) 04:19, 11 April 2024 (UTC) reply
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Category:Czech saints

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The result of the discussion was: delete ( non-admin closure) Qwerfjkl talk 20:40, 21 April 2024 (UTC) reply
Nominator's rationale: WP:CROSSCAT. Not sure if this phenomenon has been discussed before, but I couldn't find it in the CFD archives. I'm nominating this to initiate a preliminary discussion on the wider Category:Christian saints by nationality tree, as I see several issues with the selection criteria in many parts of this tree, and this particular category exemplifies them well.
A. Objectivity and verifiability: Whoever is considered a "saint" or not is inherently subjective and WP:POV. If this is even the 'job' of Wikipedia to start with, the only way to objectively categorise saints is by the authority of a relevant religious organisation (in this case a church or denomination), which has officially canonised a person as a saint in verifiable publications ( WP:V + WP:RS). Perhaps one person is canonised by multiple organisations, and perhaps lots of individuals in a community or society unofficially believe in a person's sainthood, but we may assume that the rest of the world, by default, does not accept anyone's sainthood, especially not of anyone in a religious denomination other than their own (if any). Certain denominations such as Calvinist churches even vehemently oppose the very idea of sainthood as blasphemous, and don't recognise the saints of any other church either. It's always a saint according to church X. I think we can all agree on that.
B. Relevance of nationality: "Nationality" seems irrelevant. Generally speaking, secular authorities like states and governments are not in the business of canonising saints. It might be that the feasts of certain saints are established as public holidays (say, Saint Patrick's Day in Ireland and some other jurisdictions), and that there is some official symbolism devoted to a saint, but it's not the Republic of Ireland's business to say who is a saint and who isn't. (Proclaiming "national heroes" maybe, but that's a separate issue). Similarly, it's not the Czech Republic's business to accord sainthood to, say, Jan Hus. There seems to be no particular connection between sainthood (a religious legal status) and nationality (a secular legal status). This is why I'm leaning towards regarding the whole saints by nationality tree an inappropriate WP:CROSSCAT.
C. Original research: Finally, even if nationality somehow were an appropriate attribute of a saint, a great number of these saints lived at a time when the present-day states did not exist yet. The Czech Republic wasn't founded until 1993, the Republic of Ireland not until 1922/1937/1949 (depending on one's view), the Netherlands not until 1581/1648/1813/1815 etc., so how could there be such a thing as medieval "Czech", "Dutch", "Irish" etc. saints? This seems obvious WP:OR, driven by modern nationalism to arbitrarily claim various elements of the past for a modern political entity. The catdesc of Category:Christian saints by nationality seems to confirm this: This category is for articles about saints by the country they were from or are associated with. That's a textbook example of WP:ASSOCIATEDWITH. Given that the relevance of "nationality" is already shaky, this seems even more reason to get rid of this kind of WP:ARBITRARYCAT.
I don't rule out the possibility that this category tree may be legitimate and useful after all. But I think we should at least discuss why we should have it or not. I'm also not picking on Czech saints in particular, it's just a very good example to illustrate the issues I'm seeing across the tree. (E.g. with "French saints" I wouldn't be able to raise point C. very well, as France's statehood arguably goes much further back and could arguably capture most medieval saints.) I would love to hear your thoughts. This is a large tree, we shouldn't be making rash decisions. NLeeuw ( talk) 19:14, 3 April 2024 (UTC) reply
  • Comment Nederlandse Leeuw I don't have time for a full response now, but WP:CROSSCAT is about articles and refers to Wikipedia:Overcategorization for categories, so I suggest that arguments should be based on WP:OVERCAT, rather than WP:CROSSCAT. TSventon ( talk) 01:29, 4 April 2024 (UTC) reply
    Fair enough, but you'll notice I've invoked many more specific guidelines in my rationale: WP:POV, WP:V, WP:RS (these 3 issues can be overcome within the Category:Saints by religion tree, but not, I think, in the Category:Saints by nationality tree), relevance (I think nationality is WP:NONDEFINING for saints, because sainthood is not established through secular law, but ecclesiastical law, and denominations such as the Catholic Church and Constantinople Patriarchate operate internationally), WP:OR, WP:ASSOCIATEDWITH, and WP:ARBITRARYCAT. NLeeuw ( talk) 03:03, 4 April 2024 (UTC) reply
    Wikipedia categories exist to help readers navigate the encyclopedia and I think Category:Christian saints by nationality is justified on that basis.
    A. Objectivity and verifiability: I agree that you can argue there is a legitimate POV concern about Category:Christian saints.
    B. Relevance of nationality: Category:Christian saints is a large category, so it is useful for navigation to WP:DIFFUSE it. Nationality is an accepted basis for diffusing large categories, so I would suggest keeping national categories unless a better method can be found. Nationality is relevant as churches such as the Catholic Church and Constantinople Patriarchate are divided into national units, such as the Catholic Church in the Czech Republic and the Orthodox Church of the Czech Lands and Slovakia. It is therefore not a WP:ARBITRARYCAT. Until the French Revolution, churches and secular governments in Europe were closely integrated and monarchs had an interest in who was canonised in their realms. Sometimes a saint would be canonised after being killed on behalf of a monarch. However sainthood should be a defining characterstic members of Category:Christian saints. If this is not the case for Jan Hus, he should not be in the category.
    C. Original research: This is an issue for Category:Czech people, rather than just Category:Czech saints. I would argue that both categories are useful for navigation and that nationality is just as WP:DEFINING for saints as for other human beings. Category:Czech people by century, for example goes back to Category:9th-century people from Bohemia. If the catdesc of Category:Christian saints by nationality says This category is for articles about saints by the country they were from or are associated with. then the words "associated with" could be removed. TSventon ( talk) 15:21, 4 April 2024 (UTC) reply
    Medieval Roman Catholic dioceses in the Low Countries, Germany and France, with modern borders in red
    I agree with you that diffusing large categories is important for smooth navigation, but I agree with Marcocapelle below that Christian saints [should] only be diffused by century and no longer by nationality.
    I'm afraid the ecclesiastical organisation argument shoots itself in the foot. Church provinces coinciding with national borders is a very modern phenomenon, and not even the Catholic Church has enough adherents in every country to have a province for each of them. Take the example of the map on the right there, showing that in the Middle Ages the borders of archdioceses in the Low Countries almost completely ignored the country borders that exist today (because those country borders didn't exist at the time either).
    Evidently, Jan Hus was executed by the Catholic Church, which up until today regards him as a heretic and an enemy, whereas some but not all Orthodox and Lutheran denominations have canonised Hus as a saint. The sources provided - 64 and 65; two copies of the same 2011 interview with Christopher of Prague - state that Jan Hus has been canonised as a saint by the (Orthodox) Church of Greece, Church of Cyprus, and the Orthodox Church of the Czech Lands and Slovakia. Only the last one is relevant if we are to decide whether Hus is a "Czech" saint or not, and according to the 2021 Czech Republic census, only 0.4% of the population is a member of the Orthodox Church of the Czech Lands and Slovakia. The Czechoslovak Hussite Church bears his name and acknowledges him as their predecessor, but There is no veneration of saints as practiced in the Apostolic Churches, and they constituted only 0.2% of the Czech population in 2021. In fact, we might look at Religion in the Czech Republic as a whole and see that almost half of Czechs have no religion at all, fewer than 10% are Catholics (who officially regard Hus as a heretic), and the few who hold Hus in high regard don't even show up in the piechart. Besides, the two categories declaring Jan Hus a "Lutheran saint" are not backed up by sources at all. So, all religious denominations in Czechia today who recognise Hus as a saint combined barely represent the Czech population. Who are we Wikipedians to say that Hus is their "saint"? The Orthodox Greeks and Cypriots who nominally believe in his sainthood probably outnumber the Czechs who do. Nationality is just completely irrelevant here.
    If anything, we should have a Category:Saints in the Orthodox Church of the Czech Lands and Slovakia as a child of Category:Eastern Orthodox saints. If we can't find enough to populate that category, then maybe we should listify them and make them a separate section in the main article Orthodox Church of the Czech Lands and Slovakia or something. Or, add Jan Hus to List of Eastern Orthodox saints with a source stating in which 3 orthodox churches he is currently recognised as a saint. Whatever we do, categorising as "Czech saints" is one of the worst options we could take here. NLeeuw ( talk) 08:11, 5 April 2024 (UTC) reply
    NLeeuw I am arguing that we usually categorise people by nationality, so it helps navigation to categorise saints by nationality as well.
    Church provinces coinciding with national borders is not a modern phenomenon: the original dioceses were based on Roman dioceses. I will agree that the borders church provinces did not always and immediately change to follow state boundaries. However, as I argued earlier churches and secular governments in western Europe Europe were closely integrated, this can be seen in the History of Christianity in the Czech lands. Differing boundaries are an issue for subcategories of Category:Czech people and Category:Dutch people in general, not particularly for the saints categories.
    As to Jan Hus, the sourced text of the article should show that being a saint is a defining characteristic, which it apparently doesn't, so he could be removed from the category. Most of the contents of the Czech saints category is in Category:Czech Roman Catholic saints. Should that be nominated for deletion as well? Most of the members of that category are clearly connected to Bohemia and Moravia. TSventon ( talk) 23:21, 7 April 2024 (UTC) reply
    Czech Roman Catholic saints is more specific, because that has a denomination or religious organisation behind it. I'm still not sure about the "Czech" part, but on the whole it is indeed less problematic.
    I think you may be right that Jan Hus should be removed from all or some saints categories, especially the Lutheran ones as long as the article doesn't say anything about it.
    For nationalities categories, we've been having a lot of constructive dialogue and agreements in recent years, including Category:People from the Kingdom of Bohemia, where Hus probably belongs. NLeeuw ( talk) 06:03, 8 April 2024 (UTC) reply
  • A is not so much a problem because Christian churches have set procedures for sainthood attribution. For more clarity the category may be renamed from "saints" to "Christian saints" though. B is a problem not in itself but because of C. For that reason I would suggest Christian saints only to be diffused by century and no longer by nationality. Marcocapelle ( talk) 16:58, 4 April 2024 (UTC) reply
    I think your last suggestion is a rather useful one. (Although the earliest people later canonised as saints often have unclear lifespans; I'm thinking about Alban of Mainz, for example). Even if C weren't a problem, saints and nationality are still a contestable intersection as long as nationality is WP:NONDEFINING with regards to sainthood. The very nature of Christianity as a missionary religion with universal aspirations (that is, it seeks to convert all humanity, not just all members of the tribe / ethnicity / country / polity etc. it originated in) makes it arguably "internationalist", and nationality an irrelevant, modern invention. For navigational purposes we might have been pragmatic if "national" borders had been stable for the past 2000+ years (B), but they haven't (C), so... NLeeuw ( talk) 06:19, 8 April 2024 (UTC) reply
  • Keep. Part of Category:Christian saints by nationality, a large category tree. May not always be strictly accurate, but modern nationalities are commonly used for saints (i.e. they are especially venerated in the current countries from whose territory they originated). Categorisation of saints is clearly useful and it would not be advantageous to Wikipedia if we decided for NPOV reasons that saints weren't saints, as that is generally why they are notable. -- Necrothesp ( talk) 13:35, 9 April 2024 (UTC) reply
    • The size of a category tree is irrelevant if the tree itself is inappropriate to Wikipedia standards. It just means we need to be careful when dismantling or reorganising it.
    • As explained above, less than 1% of Czechs seems to venerate Jan Hus as a saint. (Nominally, there are probably more Greeks and Cypriots who do than Czechs). His main notability stems from the fact that the Hussite Wars are named after him (as his religious teachings ideologically influenced the conflict), not that a fringe church in the 20th or 21st century canonised him as a saint.
    • Categorisation of saints may be useful, but categorisation by what? E.g. we could categorise them by their favourite colour or their astrological sign, but those wouldn't be useful. Categories need to be WP:DEFINING.
    • As explained above, sainthood is always a POV. Some points of view are worth noting, but others are WP:UNDUE. Wikipedia is not in the business of extensively documenting the beliefs of very small religious, political or other groups with near-zero cultural impact. NLeeuw ( talk) 12:27, 11 April 2024 (UTC) reply
      PS: The last point is related to WP:COATRACK#Some Famous Dude Did It so It Must Be Good. NLeeuw ( talk) 12:30, 11 April 2024 (UTC) reply
  • Delete primordialism is not a point of view that is widely accepted in the nationality studies field. Wikipedia should certainly not take it for granted with ill advised categories that project the current state of the Czech Republic beyond the 19th century nationalist movement into the medieval past, when modern nationality just didn't exist. "Saints from Bohemia" would be OK but non-defining, for the reasons explained above. ( t · c) buidhe 01:27, 10 April 2024 (UTC) reply
  • Consistent with other "from Bohemia" categories, and also e.g. with "from Georgia (country)" categories. Marcocapelle ( talk) 18:14, 10 April 2024 (UTC) reply

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  • Comment I have taken a closer look at the interview with the archbishop of Prague about Jan Hus, and it seems that even the Orthodox Church of the Czech Lands and Slovakia has not yet canonised Jan Hus and his follower Jerome of Prague as "saints" or "martyrs". There is only lobbying going on for them to be canonised at some point in the future, which the archbishop supports. The interviewer asks: Jan Hus and Jerome of Prague died a martyr's death for Christ's truth. Their memory lives on not only in Czechia. Your Beatitude, why have they not been canonized as saints? The archbishop gives various reasons why they haven't yet been, and then gives various reasons why they should be: ...Jan Hus and Jerome of Prague, died for the undistorted faith, for the pure faith of Christ—that is, for Orthodoxy. Therefore we are completely justified in canonizing them as saints. This has already been confirmed by the Church of Cyprus and the Greek Church. Other Orthodox Churches also support us. The penultimate sentence there is ambiguous: it could be read as that the Church of Cyprus and Greek Church have already canonised Hus and Prague as saints, or it could merely be a formal expression of support for the idea to canonise them as saints. This seems to be the core of the misunderstanding that Hus and Prague are already saints in those Orthodox Churches (which until now I also thought), but the interviewer's question indicates otherwise. (Incidentally, the archbishop saying that Hus and Prague died for "Orthodoxy" is his personal interpretation; some Protestant theologians may say they died for "proto-Protestantism", see below).
Second, I did find that there is some historical evidence that the Utraquists in the 16th century believed, described and praised them as saints, but they existed when there was no Czech Republic yet, and now that there is the Utraquists no longer exist. They were also a completely different denomination that is usually considered Protestant or "Proto-Protestant". Category:Hussite martyrs is a child of Category:15th-century proto-Protestant martyrs, which I find to be quite WP:SUBJECTIVECAT as well. I think this a good demonstration of how arbitrary and messy thus sainthood stuff can get, especially when we mix it up with nationality rather than by denomination (which is already messy enough). NLeeuw ( talk) 13:17, 11 April 2024 (UTC) reply
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Category:Crafts deities

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Category:Meitei Brahmins

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The result of the discussion was: procedural keep. The nominator is welcome to start a broader discussion on the matter (and I'm happy to help with mass noms if need be). (non-admin closure) Qwerfjkl talk 20:42, 21 April 2024 (UTC) reply
Nominator's rationale: Categories are identical PepperBeast (talk) 04:11, 3 April 2024 (UTC) reply
No particular reason- it's just the one I spotted. PepperBeast (talk) 11:07, 3 April 2024 (UTC) reply
  • I'd prefer to have this discussed in broader context. Marcocapelle ( talk) 17:10, 4 April 2024 (UTC) reply

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Category:Shumang Kumhei

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The result of the discussion was: upmerge. (non-admin closure) Qwerfjkl talk 20:43, 21 April 2024 (UTC) reply
Nominator's rationale: Tiny category of just two articles (that are mutually linked). PepperBeast (talk) 04:24, 3 April 2024 (UTC) reply

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Category:Meitei script

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The result of the discussion was: purge. (non-admin closure) Queen of ♡ | speak 19:48, 18 April 2024 (UTC) reply
Nominator's rationale: Grab-bag of stuff defined by some use of a particular writing system... WP:TRIVIALCAT PepperBeast (talk) 04:30, 3 April 2024 (UTC) reply

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Category:Non-binary people by sexual orientation

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The result of the discussion was: rename. No consensus on deletion. (non-admin closure) Queen of ♡ | speak 19:48, 18 April 2024 (UTC) reply
Nominator's rationale: To be similar with Category:Non-binary lesbians and Category:Transgender bisexual people, for example, among others. -- MikutoH talk! 02:11, 3 April 2024 (UTC) reply
Support per nom. – LaundryPizza03 ( d c̄) 02:40, 3 April 2024 (UTC) reply
  • Possibly delete as a trivial intersection. Marcocapelle ( talk) 06:17, 3 April 2024 (UTC) reply
    Support rename, and neutral on delete. But if we do delete we ought to manually merge the pages to the respective parents. Mason ( talk) 13:39, 3 April 2024 (UTC) reply
  • Delete non-defining intersection. ( t · c) buidhe 01:30, 10 April 2024 (UTC) reply

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Category:Shabbat observant businesses

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April 10

Category:Religious extremism by country

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The result of the discussion was: merge ( non-admin closure) Qwerfjkl talk 15:11, 18 April 2024 (UTC) reply
Nominator's rationale: No need to have a category with a single country in it. This is unhelpful for navigation. Mason ( talk) 21:29, 10 April 2024 (UTC) reply
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Category:Religious police

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The result of the discussion was: merge ( non-admin closure) Qwerfjkl talk 15:11, 18 April 2024 (UTC) reply
Nominator's rationale: Overlapping categories Mason ( talk) 21:27, 10 April 2024 (UTC) reply
  • Merge/delete per nom, and because it is a redundant category layer with only one subcategory. The subcategory is already in the target so merge and delete have the same effect. Marcocapelle ( talk) 06:02, 11 April 2024 (UTC) reply
  • Merge and redirect for traceability, as the subcat uses the name "religious police". – Fayenatic London 10:18, 13 April 2024 (UTC) reply
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Category:Russian Military leaders of the 2022 Russo-Ukrainian War

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The result of the discussion was: delete ( non-admin closure) Queen of ♡ | speak 20:36, 17 April 2024 (UTC) reply
Nominator's rationale: Does not match the main article, Russian invasion of Ukraine and is populated solely by politicians. AusLondonder ( talk) 20:12, 10 April 2024 (UTC) reply
Shouldn't it be merged instead of deleted then? Mason ( talk) 01:43, 11 April 2024 (UTC) reply
  • Delete (or merge when there is a suitable target), these aren't military leaders. Marcocapelle ( talk) 06:05, 11 April 2024 (UTC) reply
  • Delete per WP:ARBITRARYCAT. Even if we were to rename "Military" to "political", it's arbitrarily put together. These are the presidents of the RF, DNR and LNR, but one might just as well include Lukashenka, the Ayatollah of Iran and Kim Jong-un, or all heads of all federal subjects of the Russian Federation including Kadyrov. NLeeuw ( talk) 00:55, 12 April 2024 (UTC) reply
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Category:Universities Canada

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The result of the discussion was: delete ( non-admin closure) Queen of ♡ | speak 20:36, 17 April 2024 (UTC) reply
Nominator's rationale: Overlapping with Category:Universities in Canada. User:Namiba 20:09, 10 April 2024 (UTC) reply
  • Delete per nom, and just membership of an organization is hardly ever a defining characteristic. Marcocapelle ( talk) 06:07, 11 April 2024 (UTC) reply
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Category:Military leaders of the 2022 Russo-Ukrainian War

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The result of the discussion was: delete ( non-admin closure) Queen of ♡ | speak 20:37, 17 April 2024 (UTC) reply
Nominator's rationale: This category does not match the article, namely Russian invasion of Ukraine. It is also populated solely by one political leader, not a military leader. AusLondonder ( talk) 20:09, 10 April 2024 (UTC) reply
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Category:Mashriqi Jews

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The result of the discussion was: partial merge. (non-admin closure) Qwerfjkl talk 15:12, 18 April 2024 (UTC) reply
Nominator's rationale: per Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Mashriqi Jews, the term is rarely used. Another possibility: to upmerge into Category:Mizrahi Jews pr their subcats - Category:North African Jews and Category:West Asian Jews‎. Альдий ( talk) 19:30, 10 April 2024 (UTC) reply
If not kept, I think we should merge, not delete. Mason ( talk) 21:33, 10 April 2024 (UTC) reply
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Category:Musta'arabi Jews

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The result of the discussion was: delete ( non-admin closure) Queen of ♡ | speak 20:38, 17 April 2024 (UTC) reply
Nominator's rationale: Small subcategory. Another possibility: to upmerge directly into Category:Mizrahi Jews. Альдий ( talk) 19:27, 10 April 2024 (UTC) reply
FYI: Wikipedia:Overcategorization/Small with no potential for growth is no longer a reason to delete a category. Mason ( talk) 21:34, 10 April 2024 (UTC) reply
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Category:Anti-Jewish pogroms by Muslims

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Category:18th-century American slave owners

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Category:Anti-Jewish pogroms by Muslims 1941-49

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The result of the discussion was: merge ( non-admin closure) Qwerfjkl talk 15:19, 18 April 2024 (UTC) reply
Nominator's rationale: Merge as arbcat. Why 1941 to 1949? This distinction seems arbitrary. (If not merged, it should be renamed to Anti-Jewish pogroms by Muslims in the 1940s) Mason ( talk) 03:20, 2 April 2024 (UTC) reply
  • Decades are common practice when there are multiple sibling decade categories, but that is not going to happen in this case. Marcocapelle ( talk) 05:43, 2 April 2024 (UTC) reply
    Hmmm I wouldn't be sure about that, but now that I think about it, perhaps a subdivision by century is a viable alternative? NLeeuw ( talk) 20:56, 3 April 2024 (UTC) reply

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  • Reply to User:Namiba: as Category:Anti-Jewish pogroms by Muslims exists and has not been nominated for merger, that is the right target for now. Of course you may nominate Category:Anti-Jewish pogroms by Muslims for merger as well but that would be a different sort of discussion. Marcocapelle ( talk) 17:48, 10 April 2024 (UTC) reply
    I have nominated it above.-- User:Namiba 18:42, 10 April 2024 (UTC) reply
    I think Namiba has made a good case for upmerging that category as well. Procedurally, I think it's best if we reach agreement to upmerge this one first, otherwise we'd be trying to upmerge into a category that doesn't exist anymore. NLeeuw ( talk) 18:42, 10 April 2024 (UTC) reply
  • Whatever is done, get rid of this name. "By Muslims" is simply unacceptable in a category name. Even when the majority of the perpetrators were Muslims, the name implies that their religion was a key factor in the process (rather than politics, economics, etc.). Usually this is either false or unknown. Would we name a cat about things done by Israel with "by Jews"? Zero talk 04:06, 13 April 2024 (UTC) reply
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Category:19th-century Roman Catholic church buildings in Réunion

Nominator's rationale: Upmerge for now. There's only 4 churches total in Category:Roman Catholic churches in Réunion, so diffusion by century isn't helpful for navigation Mason ( talk) 20:22, 23 March 2024 (UTC) reply
What about, say, Hawaii or Alaska? (Or Malta should integration be achieved back in the 1950s–60s?) 61.244.93.97 ( talk) 09:03, 27 March 2024 (UTC) reply
Or Kaliningrad post-1945? 61.244.93.97 ( talk) 09:59, 28 March 2024 (UTC) reply
  • Keep so that it may be grouped under an African parent category when there are also such by continent parents. 61.244.93.97 ( talk) 09:03, 27 March 2024 (UTC) reply
  • If you create it then of course it is a good merge target too. Marcocapelle ( talk) 07:03, 30 March 2024 (UTC) reply
  • Keep as stated above; or otherwise the next preferable choice would be merger with Roman catholic church buildings in all other départements et régions d'outre-mer under the same category. 61.244.93.97 ( talk) 08:00, 10 April 2024 (UTC) reply
  • Keep this category and put it under both the French and the African hierarchy. 83.229.61.201 ( talk) 15:34, 31 March 2024 (UTC) reply
  • As an IP user you can vote as many times as you want but don't expect it to be taken seriously by the closer of the discussion. Marcocapelle ( talk) 07:12, 1 April 2024 (UTC) reply

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Category:Languages used in Doordarshan

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The result of the discussion was: delete ( non-admin closure) Queen of ♡ | speak 20:40, 17 April 2024 (UTC) reply
Nominator's rationale: WP:NONDEF. PepperBeast (talk) 19:21, 2 April 2024 (UTC) reply

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  • Delete per nom. They are simply Indian languages, at most to be diffused by Indian state. Marcocapelle ( talk) 17:51, 10 April 2024 (UTC) reply
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Category:Estonian numismatists

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Category:Burial sites of the House of Yurievichi

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The result of the discussion was: merge ( non-admin closure) Queen of ♡ | speak 20:41, 17 April 2024 (UTC) reply
Nominator's rationale: 1 P, 0 C. Upmerge for now. NLeeuw ( talk) 11:34, 10 April 2024 (UTC) reply
  • Merge for now, without objection to recreate any of these categories when some more articles are available. Marcocapelle ( talk) 17:58, 10 April 2024 (UTC) reply
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Category:Uterus transplant recipients

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The result of the discussion was: merge ( non-admin closure) Queen of ♡ | speak 06:19, 17 April 2024 (UTC) reply
Nominator's rationale: small category with only one person in it, which isn't helpful for navigation Mason ( talk) 02:19, 10 April 2024 (UTC) reply
  • Merge, the article Uterus transplant discusses a number of known cases and the recipients were apparently not notable by themselves (with one exception). Marcocapelle ( talk) 03:20, 10 April 2024 (UTC) reply
  • In the future, there may be enough notable uterus transplant recipients to make it worthwhile to have a category. When that day comes, I hope someone recreates this category. But right now, with only one person in the category? Merge per nom. -sche ( talk) 02:51, 12 April 2024 (UTC) reply
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Category:Anti-feminism

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The result of the discussion was: merge as proposed, then rename to Category:Antifeminism. (non-admin closure) Queen of ♡ | speak 06:18, 17 April 2024 (UTC) reply
Nominator's rationale: Overlapping categories. (If Anti-feminism is the preferred name, then we should still merge and then rename to preserve the edit history) Mason ( talk) 02:17, 10 April 2024 (UTC) reply
Reverse merge to Category:Anti-feminism. AHI-3000 ( talk) 17:54, 11 April 2024 (UTC) reply
Given that, I think we should regard 'antifeminism' and 'opposition to feminism' as synonyms, and a subset of the broader phenomenon of 'criticism of feminism', which is currently (correctly) a parent of Category:Opposition to feminism. The default way to go would be to have Category:Antifeminism as a category per WP:C2D, and merge the other category into it. Pragmatically speaking, I agree with nom that we should preserve the edit history as much as possible, and pick the oldest category as the one to rename, and merge the younger 2 into it. Category:Opposition to feminism was created on 3 November 2019‎, and Category:Anti-feminism on 20 January 2024‎. Therefore, Category:Opposition to feminism should be the merge target.
Therefore, I suggest merging per nom, and afterways a speedy rename to Category:Antifeminism per WP:C2D. (Maybe the second step can be taken in one go during this CfM already?). NLeeuw ( talk) 12:27, 10 April 2024 (UTC) reply
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Category:Pin-up models

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The result of the discussion was: delete ( non-admin closure) Queen of ♡ | speak 06:15, 17 April 2024 (UTC) reply
Nominator's rationale: Overlapping categories by a new (to categories) user. Mason ( talk) 02:02, 10 April 2024 (UTC) reply
  • Were they really adult models? The first article I am reading, Betty Bryant, does not mention anything about it. Marcocapelle ( talk) 03:40, 10 April 2024 (UTC) reply
    Good question. Do you think that just targeted to regular models would be better? I don't think that this is really defining, as it's more of a layout/design/style rather than a type. Mason ( talk) 03:54, 10 April 2024 (UTC) reply
  • Delete, not merge, as WP:SUBJECTIVECAT. Many film stars were pinups but not adult models, e.g. Deanna Durbin for a wholesome case in point. – Fayenatic London 12:45, 13 April 2024 (UTC) reply
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Category:20th-century Australian women activists

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The result of the discussion was: merge ( non-admin closure) Queen of ♡ | speak 06:15, 17 April 2024 (UTC) reply
Nominator's rationale: Dual upmerge. Several CFDs have decided that activists are not diffused by century Mason ( talk) 01:54, 10 April 2024 (UTC) reply
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Category:20th-century Australian women tennis players

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The result of the discussion was: merge ( non-admin closure) Queen of ♡ | speak 06:15, 17 April 2024 (UTC) reply
Nominator's rationale: Dual upmerge. The norm is to not diffuse by century for specific sports. I already have a speedy rename in for the current parent category (20th-century Australian women athletes) Mason ( talk) 01:49, 10 April 2024 (UTC) reply
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April 9

Category:Works about North Asia

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The result of the discussion was: delete ( non-admin closure) Qwerfjkl talk 15:23, 18 April 2024 (UTC) reply
Nominator's rationale: This is a needless category tunnel from Category:Works about Asia > Category:Works about North Asia > Category:Films set in North Asia > that ends up just containing Category:Films set in Russia, which is already in Category:Films set in Asia by country (also already in the Category:Works about Asia tree). Let's eliminate these redundant 2 layers. For the same reason, Category:North Asia in fiction is a useless redundant layer. NLeeuw ( talk) 23:49, 9 April 2024 (UTC) reply
  • Delete per nom. There is nothing else is in North Asia beside Russia. Marcocapelle ( talk) 03:47, 10 April 2024 (UTC) reply
    • Comment historically, that is not true. If the work is about North Asia prior to the Russian conquest, or to an alternative world without Russian control, then, these would make sense. There's quite a lot of fiction about non-Russian North Asias. For instance, in The Years of Rice and Salt, Japan controls North Asia, after China cedes rights to control of it in return for assistance in war against the Caliphate. There's quote a number of Korean, Japanese, Chinese works where Russia is not in control of North Asia -- 65.92.247.66 ( talk) 05:51, 10 April 2024 (UTC) reply
      • That is a fair point. On the other hand there is Category:Works set in Siberia which supposedly covers non-Russian history as well. Marcocapelle ( talk) 06:02, 10 April 2024 (UTC) reply
        Pretty much all of the territory in Siberia was conquered by the Russian Empire before the invention of motion pictures in the 1880s. So all films produced in Siberia will have been produced in the Russian Empire, the Soviet Union, or the Russian Federation. As Marcocapelle says, if you were to have a film set in the Khanate of Sibir, that would fit in Category:Films set in Siberia, although I do think it then also needs to have Category:Films set in Asia as a parent, which it currently doesn't. Because 65.92.247.66 is right that fictional stories may not be set in Russia if part or all of Siberia is not under Russian control in these stories. NLeeuw ( talk) 09:38, 10 April 2024 (UTC) reply
    If "Category: Xyz Siberia" is the category to use, the "Category: Xyz North Asia" should exist as category redirects. However, Category:Siberia is a subcategory of Category:North Asia; likely because Beringia isn't Siberia, and fiction is set there as well. The missing equivalent category Category:Siberia in Fiction would need to be created, to go along with Category:Films set in Siberia and Category:Works set in Siberia / Category:Works about Siberia -- 65.92.247.66 ( talk) 21:44, 13 April 2024 (UTC) reply
    Delete per convo above. Mason ( talk) 23:15, 13 April 2024 (UTC) reply
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Category:21st-century Algerian men

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The result of the discussion was: delete ( non-admin closure) House Blaster ( talk · he/him) 23:36, 16 April 2024 (UTC) reply
Nominator's rationale: Unhelpful for navigation to only have one category in each of these categories. No need to merge because the lone child category in each is already properly parented. Mason ( talk) 22:45, 9 April 2024 (UTC) reply
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Category:21st-century Catalan men

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The result of the discussion was: merge ( non-admin closure) House Blaster ( talk · he/him) 23:36, 16 April 2024 (UTC) reply
Nominator's rationale: Non-defining under EGRS. Also it needs to be merged because the category creator has been treating it as a diffusing category. Mason ( talk) 22:37, 9 April 2024 (UTC) reply
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Category:Anti-Zionist Christians

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Category:Christian anti-Zionism

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Category:Inactive anime conventions

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The result of the discussion was: merge to Category:Anime and manga conventions. (non-admin closure) House Blaster ( talk · he/him) 23:36, 16 April 2024 (UTC) reply
Nominator's rationale: Non-defining. The convention isn't yet defunct. Mason ( talk) 03:02, 24 March 2024 (UTC) reply
  • Weak Keep. Having an "inactive" category puts the spotlight on conventions that have lapsed. I have seen conventions before which give no official "defunct" message. The only way of telling in these cases is through a stale website. - Knowledgekid87 ( talk) 03:41, 24 March 2024 (UTC) reply
    Sure, that's a useful piece of information, but I don't think that counts as WP:DEFINING. Mason ( talk) 14:47, 24 March 2024 (UTC) reply
    I see it as a way to make life easier for editors monitoring the convention articles. There really is no net gain by getting rid of it. - Knowledgekid87 ( talk) 15:30, 24 March 2024 (UTC) reply

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  • Merge per nom. With few exceptions, categories do not distinguish between current and former members of any given group. Dimadick ( talk) 14:18, 9 April 2024 (UTC) reply
  • Merge, there is no need for an intermediate category; just wait and then move to Category:Defunct anime conventions when that status is clear. – Fayenatic London 13:04, 15 April 2024 (UTC) reply
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Category:Dutch encyclopedias

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Category:Bulgarian encyclopedias

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Category:I Can See Your Voice Malaysia (Chinese version)

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The result of the discussion was: rename as unopposed. ( non-admin closure) Queen of ♡ | speak 23:39, 16 April 2024 (UTC) reply
Nominator's rationale: Included from the mass renamings for the I Can See Your Voice franchise, as per Talk:I Can See Your Voice (Belgian TV series) season 1#Requested move 31 March 2024 (kindly proceed to this discussion first before deliberating). Saisønisse ( talk) 07:12, 9 April 2024 (UTC) reply
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Category:Swedish politicians by ethnic or national origin

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The result of the discussion was: rename ( non-admin closure) Queen of ♡ | speak 23:40, 16 April 2024 (UTC) reply
Nominator's rationale: A. rename per usage of "descent" both in the parent and in the subcategory names. B. purge Category:Jewish Swedish politicians because the latter isn't about their ancestors but about what they are themselves (i.e. it is about ethnicity rather than about descent). Marcocapelle ( talk) 06:26, 9 April 2024 (UTC) reply
This is part of a larger stale speedy nomination in which User:1234qwer1234qwer4, User:Anomalous+0 and User:Smasongarrison participated. Marcocapelle ( talk) 06:27, 9 April 2024 (UTC) reply
Support per nom Mason ( talk) 18:31, 9 April 2024 (UTC) reply
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Category:Poets associated with Dundee

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The result of the discussion was: manual merge. (non-admin closure) Queen of ♡ | speak 23:40, 16 April 2024 (UTC) reply
Nominator's rationale: Overlapping categories Mason ( talk) 04:28, 9 April 2024 (UTC) reply
  • Manually merge, as it is not applicable to everyone. Marcocapelle ( talk) 05:24, 9 April 2024 (UTC) reply
  • Comment, as the creator I am happy to go with consensus, but thought it best to explain the background as to why there are two categories and how they are different and why a merge could be problematic. It all stems from the fact that there are two categories for people connected to to Dundee Category:People from Dundee and Category:People associated with Dundee. The former states "This category is only for people actually born in Dundee. For people who are strongly associated with the city, but not born there, see: Category:People associated with Dundee". As the poets was going to be under the former this presented a problem as some of Dundee's most noted Poets like Mary Brooksbank and William McGonagall were not originally from the city, so under the terms would not fit in the "from Dundee" model. Hence it seemed logical to create a second category that could go under Category:People associated with Dundee. I know there was discussion about merging the people from/associated with categories, but I don't think there was a consensus. If a merger is decided upon then the Poets from Category would need to have its statement changed as none of the people in the poets associated with category would currently be eligible for inclusion. There should probably also then be a decision taken about the future of Category:People from Dundee/ Category:People associated with Dundee. Dunarc ( talk) 12:48, 9 April 2024 (UTC) reply
    • Comment "People from" categories do not always cover the place of birth. We often do cover people who were long-time residents in a populated place. Dimadick ( talk) 14:23, 9 April 2024 (UTC) reply
      • Agree, the statement about birth on these category pages should be removed. Marcocapelle ( talk) 18:07, 9 April 2024 (UTC) reply
        Merge per WP:ASSOCIATEDWITH. NLeeuw ( talk) 18:52, 10 April 2024 (UTC) reply
        Happy to support consensus, but I wonder if there might be one or two whose association with Dundee is not strong enough for a "from" category and therefore should be kept out after a merger. Eg Thomas Hood spent a relatively brief, albeit important, part of his early career in Dundee. Dunarc ( talk) 22:56, 10 April 2024 (UTC) reply
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Category:Animation people

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The result of the discussion was: rename ( non-admin closure) House Blaster ( talk · he/him) 23:37, 16 April 2024 (UTC) reply
Nominator's rationale: There is a mismatch in structure between Category:People in animation by company and its direct parent Category:Animation people. I propose choosing the "People in ___" structure for all of them to match their common parent Category:People in technology, and specifying animation/anime industry to make it obviously different from Category:Animated characters, as well as matching the form of cousin Category:People in the computer industry and other parents Category:Animation industry and Category:Anime industry.

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Category:Nazis in Argentina

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The result of the discussion was: containerize. (non-admin closure) Queen of ♡ | speak 23:43, 16 April 2024 (UTC) reply
Nominator's rationale: Should be containerized like /info/en/?search=Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2024_March_27#Category:Nazis_in_the_United_States Mason ( talk) 02:41, 9 April 2024 (UTC) reply
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Category:Irish people of Antigua and Barbuda descent

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The result of the discussion was: no consensus. (non-admin closure) Queen of ♡ | speak 23:46, 16 April 2024 (UTC) reply
Nominator's rationale: WP:NARROWCAT tailor-made for one member. Categories are not "interesting fact tags". But, mentioning facts, consider also: no mention of Antigua and Barbuda in the only member article and the cited source only says: “Mam” is Canadian-Irish and his father is from the Caribbean. — Alalch E. 11:22, 1 April 2024 (UTC) reply
  • Merge, this is not helpful for navigation between articles. Marcocapelle ( talk) 11:34, 1 April 2024 (UTC) reply
  • Oppose, I generally oppose merging these, added a ref that specifically points out Antigua.-- Ortizesp ( talk) 11:55, 1 April 2024 (UTC) reply

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  • Oppose. Part of a longstanding category tree. -- Necrothesp ( talk) 13:24, 9 April 2024 (UTC) reply
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Category:Klingon-language operas

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The result of the discussion was: no consensus. (non-admin closure) Queen of ♡ | speak 23:46, 16 April 2024 (UTC) reply
Nominator's rationale: Upmerge for now without prejudice. Unlikely that this category will be filled with lots of articles any time soon, but we'll see. (Already in Category:Operas). NLeeuw ( talk) 13:08, 1 April 2024 (UTC) reply

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Category:Cheese and Pasta

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The result of the discussion was: merge to Category:Pasta dishes and eat. (non-admin closure) Queen of ♡ | speak 23:48, 16 April 2024 (UTC) reply
Nominator's rationale: Can this be renamed to "Cheese and pasta" with a lowercase "p" in the word "pasta" per naming convention policy Tinton5 ( talk) 21:59, 1 April 2024 (UTC) reply

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I vote we Eat both! :D Joke NLeeuw ( talk) 00:13, 10 April 2024 (UTC) reply
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Category:Gaza Strip during the Israel–Hamas war

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The result of the discussion was: rename to Category:Gaza Strip in the Israel–Hamas war. (non-admin closure) House Blaster ( talk · he/him) 23:38, 16 April 2024 (UTC) reply
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April 8

Category:Opposition to Ferenc Gyurcsány

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The result of the discussion was: delete. Category:Opposition to Viktor Orbán can be discussed separately, if one wishes to pursue that. (non-admin closure) House Blaster ( talk · he/him) 23:59, 15 April 2024 (UTC) reply
Nominator's rationale: Not sure why we even have this, it seems to be an extension of the POV issues plaguing Mr. Gyurcsány here and it also seems to curiously exclude Fizdez, his primary opposition. Allan Nonymous ( talk) 22:11, 8 April 2024 (UTC) reply
  • Delete, we do not have an opposition category for every separate government. Marcocapelle ( talk) 05:33, 9 April 2024 (UTC) reply
  • Delete Some of the political parties listed here have nearly 40 years of history. Some of the members were probably not even alive during Gyurcsány's term in office. Not a useful categorization for parties. Dimadick ( talk) 14:28, 9 April 2024 (UTC) reply
  • Support in principle, but... should we then also delete Category:Opposition to Viktor Orbán? Both categories were created last year and seem to serve a similar purpose. NLeeuw ( talk) 19:04, 10 April 2024 (UTC) reply
    @ Allan Nonymous what do you think as nom? You might not have seen this. There could be a reason for having both, having neither, or having one but not the other. Technically speaking, Gyurcsány has been in "opposition" to Orbán since 2010, and since 2022 the opposition leader, so if we mean formal parliamentary opposition, the scope of the Category:Opposition to Ferenc Gyurcsány should be limited to 2004 to 2009, while Category:Opposition to Viktor Orbán could be scoped to 1998-2002 and 2010-present. Then again, maybe we should call it "Opposition to the Orban Government(s)" or something instead of "to Viktor Orbán" personally. NLeeuw ( talk) 07:52, 11 April 2024 (UTC) reply
    I feel there is a case for having the Category:Opposition to Viktor Orbán without this article, given the fact that Orban has had a much bigger impact on Hungary, but more to the point, that is a WP:OTHERSTUFF argument. Allan Nonymous ( talk) 13:55, 11 April 2024 (UTC) reply
    That is a fair point I can agree with. As I said, There could be a reason for having both, having neither, or having one but not the other. I'm not saying we should treat them equally (Orban is in a much more authoritarian position than Gyurcsány ever was), but I do think we should compare the two categories, and then make a decision. NLeeuw ( talk) 20:52, 12 April 2024 (UTC) reply
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Category:Native American characters in video games

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The result of the discussion was: delete ( non-admin closure) Qwerfjkl talk 17:47, 16 April 2024 (UTC) reply
Nominator's rationale: Effectively duplicative with the older Category:Video games featuring Native American protagonists‎, and most of the entries are video games, not characters. Delete without merging down. -- ferret ( talk) 21:29, 8 April 2024 (UTC) reply
  • Delete as duplicative, as nom states. Nothing lost in deletion anyways, as there were many instances of the newer version being wrongly or poorly implemented anyways. (Many DEFINING violations.) Sergecross73 msg me 21:38, 8 April 2024 (UTC) reply
  • Keep there's a difference between these two categories. "characters in video games" are notable characters in the game while "protagonists‎" are lead characters. By comparison, there is a category called " Category:Black characters in video games" and also Category:Video games featuring black protagonists. Native American characters in video games are a lot rarer and deserve categories to help people find them, raise awareness and for research. Artanisen ( talk) 22:34, 8 April 2024 (UTC) reply
But that's just it. How often is a game's non-protagonist side character's race going to be an DEFINING trait of a game on a whole? And as ferret notes, it doesn't make sense that your category is framed as about characters but was mostly applied to video game articles, not character articles. Sergecross73 msg me 21:54, 8 April 2024 (UTC) reply
I agree that in some games the Native American character plays a (very) minor role, while in others they are an important part of the story and gaming experience. If their role is too minor then they can be removed from the category. For example in the Red Dead Redemption games and Red Dead Revolver, the Native American characters play a significant role in the storyline, but they aren't protagonists. As in defining, well the interaction between the cowboys and Native Americans is an essential part of the main story and activities. - Artanisen ( talk) 22:38, 8 April 2024 (UTC) reply
The counter-argument categories are populated with characters. This one is populated with video games, except for one (Nightwolf), who is in the duplicative category already. -- ferret ( talk) 23:01, 8 April 2024 (UTC) reply
Yeah, I put Nightwolf in "Native American characters in video games", because he's an important character in Mortal Kombat, but not a protagonist. Other characters are described in the articles of the video games. If necessary more information can be added about the characters. This game Lara Croft and the Guardian of Light, the title of the game "Guardian of Light" refers to the Mayan warrior named Totec. Totec is playable in cooperative play. So Totec is one of the most important characters in this game together with Lara Croft. In Shadow Hearts: From the New World, the protagonist is Johnny Garland, while Shania is his female counterpart. Red Dead Redemption and Red Dead Redemption 2, each have a couple of important native American characters. Without these characters the story wouldn't work. - Artanisen ( talk) 09:42, 9 April 2024 (UTC) reply
  • Delete, if it is not about a protagonist then it is nor a defining characteristic. Marcocapelle ( talk) 05:36, 9 April 2024 (UTC) reply
  • Comment - when I first read this category title, I thought it was for Native American characters who debuted in video games, not for video games with Native American characters. Maybe the category could just be redefined. (Oinkers42) ( talk) 14:44, 9 April 2024 (UTC) reply
    I agree, but I believe that the necessary reworking would pretty much lead us to the category ferret noted already exists. Sergecross73 msg me 15:18, 9 April 2024 (UTC) reply
  • Comment. Note that Category:Fictional Native American people in video games already exists for categorizing characters (not necessarily the games they are part of), although note hatnote that this category is for A) American Indians in the United States, and B) Is not for fictional characters merely "coded" with some American Indian attributes. I suspect that this category might be a better use of what the category creator intended. SnowFire ( talk) 15:57, 9 April 2024 (UTC) reply
    Yes, Category:Fictional Native American people in video games has a lot of overlap with this category. Usually the term "character" is used for video game characters instead of "Fictional people". Native American usually refers to indigenous people from the USA. It could also be used as a broader term for indigenous people from the Americas (North, Central and South America). - Artanisen ( talk) 17:54, 9 April 2024 (UTC) reply
    This shows further duplication with existing categories that can (and do) serve this purpose. -- ferret ( talk) 13:51, 11 April 2024 (UTC) reply
Merge this category into Category:Fictional Native American people in video games. AHI-3000 ( talk) 17:45, 11 April 2024 (UTC) reply
On a somewhat related subject, I think we should also discuss proposing a merger of Category:Fictional Native American women into Category:Fictional Native American people (for the same reasons that the former category Category:Fictional Jewish women was merged into Category:Fictional Jews). AHI-3000 ( talk) 17:50, 11 April 2024 (UTC) reply
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Category:Recipients of Indian civil awards and decorations

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Category:Feminist historians

Relisted, see Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2024 April 16#Category:Feminist historians

Category:Feminist philosophers

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The result of the discussion was: rename ( non-admin closure) House Blaster ( talk · he/him) 00:02, 16 April 2024 (UTC) reply
Nominator's rationale: rename to clarify that this is about feminist philosophy rather than a category of philosophers who happen to support feminism. Marcocapelle ( talk) 20:49, 8 April 2024 (UTC) reply
Support per nom. Same logic as the rename for Atheism writers to writers about atheism. Mason ( talk) 12:10, 10 April 2024 (UTC) reply
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Category:International Booker Prize winners

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The result of the discussion was: delete ( non-admin closure) House Blaster ( talk · he/him) 00:02, 16 April 2024 (UTC) reply
Nominator's rationale: WP:OCAWARD PepperBeast (talk) 20:46, 8 April 2024 (UTC) reply
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Category:Feminist theologians

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The result of the discussion was: rename ( non-admin closure) House Blaster ( talk · he/him) 20:47, 15 April 2024 (UTC) reply
Nominator's rationale: rename to clarify that this is about feminist theology rather than a category of theologians who happen to support feminism. Marcocapelle ( talk) 20:44, 8 April 2024 (UTC) reply
Support per nom. Same logic as the rename for Atheism writers to writers about atheism. Mason ( talk) 12:10, 10 April 2024 (UTC) reply
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Category:Recipients of the Sahitya Akademi Fellowship

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The result of the discussion was: delete ( non-admin closure) House Blaster ( talk · he/him) 20:47, 15 April 2024 (UTC) reply
Nominator's rationale: WP:NONDEF, WP:OCAWARD PepperBeast (talk) 20:41, 8 April 2024 (UTC) reply
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Category:People associated with identity politics

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The result of the discussion was: delete ( non-admin closure) House Blaster ( talk · he/him) 20:46, 15 April 2024 (UTC) reply
Nominator's rationale: delete, largely overlaps with the much better expanded tree of Category:Activists, which contains among others Category:Activists by ethnicity. It is also a matter of WP:OCASSOC. Marcocapelle ( talk) 20:33, 8 April 2024 (UTC) reply
  • Delete per WP:ASSOCIATEDWITH. It's also typically an accusation against an opponent, which is usually denied. Few people will proudly advocate for identity politics themselves. So per WP:SUBJECTIVECAT it should also be deleted. NLeeuw ( talk) 10:23, 11 April 2024 (UTC) reply
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Category:Odisha Sahitya Akademi

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The result of the discussion was: delete. I will manually recategorize Odisha Sahitya Akademi. (non-admin closure) House Blaster ( talk · he/him) 20:46, 15 April 2024 (UTC) reply
Nominator's rationale: Redundant category contains only one item. PepperBeast (talk) 20:31, 8 April 2024 (UTC) reply
  • Delete per nom but add the article to the parent categories manually. Marcocapelle ( talk) 05:43, 9 April 2024 (UTC) reply
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Category:Israel Prize in translation recipients

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The result of the discussion was: delete ( non-admin closure) House Blaster ( talk · he/him) 20:45, 15 April 2024 (UTC) reply
Nominator's rationale: Category contains only one article PepperBeast (talk) 20:24, 8 April 2024 (UTC) reply
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Category:Recipients of the Padma Shri in literature & education

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Recipients of the Sahitya Akademi Award

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Category:16th-century Roman Catholic church buildings in Africa

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The result of the discussion was: keep. (non-admin closure) House Blaster ( talk · he/him) 00:02, 16 April 2024 (UTC) reply
Nominator's rationale: There's not enough content to justify this level of diffusion. Please be aware that the IP making all of these requests is being extremely disruptive on CFD. And is evading their block Mason ( talk) 15:31, 31 March 2024 (UTC) reply
  • With eight and six articles respectively (and more to come) would you consider differently? 46.229.243.187 ( talk) 20:12, 3 April 2024 (UTC) reply
  • Keep. Define what's "not enough content". There are many churches in the oldest former colonies which date back to the 17th or 16th century. Meanwhile @Samasongarrison please clarify your point about IP being disruptive. 46.229.243.187 ( talk) 12:08, 2 April 2024 (UTC) reply
    To the closer, the ip is most likely: WP:LTA/HKGW Mason ( talk) 13:55, 2 April 2024 (UTC) reply
LTAHKGW? 46.229.243.187 ( talk) 20:12, 3 April 2024 (UTC) reply

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  • Considering the current content of the categories, I am withdrawing my support. Marcocapelle ( talk) 20:13, 8 April 2024 (UTC) reply
    That's fair, especially now that there's content. Mason ( talk) 12:11, 10 April 2024 (UTC) reply
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Category:16th-century Roman Catholic bishops in Portuguese Macau

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Infrastructure

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Category:French forts in the United States

Nominator's rationale: This seems anachronistic. These forts were not "in the United States" when they were built and only became so later on. User:Namiba 02:33, 22 March 2024 (UTC) reply
  • This is not only a proposed renaming but also an extension of scope; forts in New France that were not in provinces which became the United States will be covered as a result. 61.244.93.97 ( talk) 09:48, 27 March 2024 (UTC) reply
  • Which is perfectly fine. New France has never been divided in an American and a Canadian part. Marcocapelle ( talk) 07:16, 30 March 2024 (UTC) reply

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Category:Rathores

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The result of the discussion was: rename to Category:Rathore (clan). (non-admin closure) House Blaster ( talk · he/him) 18:55, 15 April 2024 (UTC) reply
Nominator's rationale: delete, Rathore is not a defining characteristic of these articles. Marcocapelle ( talk) 06:49, 21 March 2024 (UTC) reply

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  • Keep, cleanup, possibly rename. Looks defining for many pages in it. - Altenmann >talk 14:32, 29 March 2024 (UTC) reply

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Category:.io video games

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Medical schools in the Caribbean

Nominator's rationale: Merge categories with only one or two members to all parents. Rename the last WP:C2C. – Fayenatic London 08:07, 21 March 2024 (UTC) reply
@ Fayenatic london: It doesn't sound nice to lump together the BES islands with those of the CAS islands. 46.229.243.187 ( talk) 14:29, 27 March 2024 (UTC) reply
When you use terms that may not be common knowledge, please link them, e.g. BES islands and CAS islands.
Sorry if IYHO it doesn't sound nice to use Dutch Caribbean, but setting up a separate sub-hierarchy for Caribbean Netherlands would require many perpetually small categories. The best hierarchy we have is Dutch Caribbean. – Fayenatic London 17:31, 27 March 2024 (UTC) reply
  • @ Fayenatic london: IP has a point this time, Dutch Caribbean is a non-existent polity. It is merely a legacy term after the Dutch Antilles were dissolved. Marcocapelle ( talk) 20:42, 27 March 2024 (UTC) reply
    • I'm no expert on the history or current politics, I'm just looking at how our categories are structured at the moment. Would you support a split of the whole Dutch Caribbean hierarchy? If so, I suggest you make a nomination to split some representative categories at the top levels. But until that has happened, the tiny sub-topic of medical schools should follow the existing hierarchy. – Fayenatic London 21:32, 27 March 2024 (UTC) reply

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  • Well at least I still support merging, even if one of the merge targets ( Category:Medical schools in the Caribbean versus Category:Medical schools in the Dutch Caribbean) is disputable. Marcocapelle ( talk) 06:44, 30 March 2024 (UTC) reply
  • Keep Category:Medical schools in Sint Maarten and keep it under Category:Medical schools in the Caribbean and Category:Medical schools by country (along with Category:Medical schools in Curaçao and Category:Medical schools in Aruba). Group medical schools of the BES islands under Caribbean Netherlands and keep them under both Category:Medical schools in the Caribbean and Category:Medical schools in the Netherlands. 46.229.243.187 ( talk) 16:09, 31 March 2024 (UTC) reply
  • You are right about my spelling mistake and, more importantly, right about the way to solve this problem more generally. Marcocapelle ( talk) 11:19, 1 April 2024 (UTC) reply
  • Just as obiter dictum, should Category:Dutch Caribbean be kept just to hold a small number of subcategories and topics that are common to both BES and CAS (or ABC and SSS)? 46.229.243.187 ( talk) 12:02, 2 April 2024 (UTC) reply
  • It's "non-existence" yet it's a good collective term to refer to these special municipalities altogether. It's somehow like referring to an additional province although they aren't. 46.229.243.187 ( talk) 12:02, 2 April 2024 (UTC) reply

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  • A category for medical schools in the Caribbean Netherlands would be too small, as there are only 2 members in the current cats for Bonaire and Saba. If there is no consensus to merging to the intermediate level Dutch Caribbean, then revert to my original merge proposal, but omit the Netherlands category in the case of Sint Maarten. – Fayenatic London 15:04, 13 April 2024 (UTC) reply

Category:Citizens of Hungary through descent

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The result of the discussion was: manual merge. (non-admin closure) Qwerfjkl talk 17:50, 16 April 2024 (UTC) reply
Nominator's rationale: Manual purge/merge per precedent at Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2022 November 17#Category:Citizens through descent. House Blaster ( talk · he/him) 16:10, 8 April 2024 (UTC) reply
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Category:USA for Africa songs

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Category:Taxa named by Baron Cajetan von Felder

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The result of the discussion was: merge ( non-admin closure) House Blaster ( talk · he/him) 16:00, 15 April 2024 (UTC) reply
Nominator's rationale: Duplicate categories – "baron" is a mere title. Micromesistius ( talk) 11:56, 8 April 2024 (UTC) reply
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Category:Jewish nobility

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Category:Volodimerovichi family

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Category:Dos Santos family (Angolan business family)

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Category:Gender incongruence

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The result of the discussion was: disperse. (non-admin closure) Qwerfjkl talk 17:52, 16 April 2024 (UTC) reply
Nominator's rationale: Merge to Transgender and medicine. This category is a based on the ICD-11 equivalent of Gender dysphoria, and is a odd carve out of the parent category. If not merged, I think it should be renamed to Gender dysphoria because the bulk of the actual contents are about dysphoria, not incongruence. Mason ( talk) 00:15, 8 April 2024 (UTC) reply
  • Disperse, the category contains an odd mix of transgender-related and non-transgender-related articles and redirects. Marcocapelle ( talk) 05:56, 8 April 2024 (UTC) reply
  • Upmerge for now per nom. It is indeed an odd mixture. As nom says, gender incongruence is a redirect to a section in ICD-11, where it is called a synonym of gender dysphoria, but the article causes of gender incongruence claims it is the cause of gender dysphoria. At any rate, it's irregular to have a "causes of X" article if there is no main article of the same name. It also supports upmerging to a category where at least the article gender dysphoria itself can be found. NLeeuw ( talk) 06:35, 8 April 2024 (UTC) reply
  • Disperse per Marcocapelle. -sche ( talk) 02:48, 12 April 2024 (UTC) reply
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Category:People with acquired Guyanese citizenship

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The result of the discussion was: delete ( non-admin closure) Qwerfjkl talk 18:12, 15 April 2024 (UTC) reply
Nominator's rationale: I don't think any of the articles in this category actually belong here. They all appear to be birthright citizens (per Guyanese nationality law#Acquiring Guyanese nationality, having a parent with Guyanese citizenship is enough for citizenship regardless of one's place of birth). Upmerging is not needed, because they are all already in subcategories of Category:Guyanese people. House Blaster ( talk · he/him) 23:38, 7 April 2024 (UTC) reply
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Category:Political posters of Italy

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The result of the discussion was: dual merge. – Fayenatic London 12:57, 15 April 2024 (UTC) reply
Nominator's rationale: Contains only a single non-free file. – LaundryPizza03 ( d c̄) 11:57, 30 March 2024 (UTC) reply
  • Merge per nom. Marcocapelle ( talk) 13:46, 30 March 2024 (UTC) reply
  • Oppose As it is, it's a convenient way to tie it into both European posters and the politics of Italy. It's the politics of Italy that's the much stronger connection. Admittedly it's near-empty, because we generally avoid hosting media on WP, but it's also a good tie to Commons, where we have many more items. I don't see any advantage to this merge, other than a rather pointless nod to SMALLCAT. It also singles out Italy (or is the plan, as usual, to remove all countries here, one by one?) when the other countries have very few images in their similar categories. Andy Dingley ( talk) 14:51, 31 March 2024 (UTC) reply

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Dual merge. The category isn't helpful with only a page in it. Mason ( talk) 00:16, 8 April 2024 (UTC) reply
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Category:Aphex Twin songs

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Category:Non-binary lesbians

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Category:11th-century Indian medical doctors

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The result of the discussion was: merge as nominated, with the exception of merging to Category:Indian medical doctors in place of Category:Medieval Indian medical doctors. (non-admin closure) House Blaster ( talk · he/him) 16:13, 15 April 2024 (UTC) reply
Nominator's rationale: There are only a handful of Medieval medical doctors from India. I think we should upmerge for now until there's a critical mass Mason ( talk) 17:12, 17 March 2024 (UTC) reply
  • Comment: Indian in "Indian people" may or may not be associated the modern Republic of India. 185.104.63.112 ( talk) 20:55, 22 March 2024 (UTC) reply
    I don't understand that point you are trying to make. No one is saying these doctors are from the modern Republic of India. Mason ( talk) 21:01, 22 March 2024 (UTC) reply
  • Category:Indian people by century feeds ultimately to Category:Indian people and thereupon Category:India (and not any other modern-day successors). Are these physicians Indian if we are to equate India with the ROI? 185.104.63.112 ( talk) 21:28, 22 March 2024 (UTC) reply
    Ok, so I think I now understand what's happening with your dispute over Hong Kong versus China. That's not how nationality works for nesting. So there's no built-in assumption with categories that people nested in India are necessarily citizens of the modern nation of India. Mason ( talk) 21:47, 22 March 2024 (UTC) reply

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  • Renaming Indian to South Asian would require a broader discussion. The current nomination is about a much smaller issue. Marcocapelle ( talk) 21:25, 25 March 2024 (UTC) reply
  • It looks like one of the entries is about a doctor who was Bengali. 61.244.93.97 ( talk) 09:43, 28 March 2024 (UTC) reply
  • So what? All Bengali people were Indian people until 1947. It is not a mistake that Chakrapani Datta is currently in Category:11th-century Indian people. Marcocapelle ( talk) 06:03, 8 April 2024 (UTC) reply

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I'm fine with the alternative target. Mason ( talk) 21:44, 7 April 2024 (UTC) reply
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Category:Fictional characters by political orientation

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Category:Indian scientific authors

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The result of the discussion was: delete. (non-admin closure) House Blaster ( talk · he/him) 00:04, 15 April 2024 (UTC) reply
Nominator's rationale: Non-defining intersection dual upmerge; the category description is part of the job of being an academic. The description says says: "Indian scientists who contribute their scientific publications, among others in scientific journals and magazines, in biology, chemistry and physics, and so on. authors who write scientific books etc, may be categorized in the related scientific fields at Category:Indian science writers." Mason ( talk) 19:27, 7 April 2024 (UTC) reply
  • Just delete, articles are already in more specific academics categories if applicable and ought to be in Category:Indian science writers if that is applicable. If anyone wants to volunteer to check more than 400 articles manually in order to find very few articles that aren't properly categorized yet then by all means, but I don't think we should make that a requirement. Marcocapelle ( talk) 19:54, 7 April 2024 (UTC) reply
    Good point. Delete is fine with me. Mason ( talk) 00:34, 8 April 2024 (UTC) reply
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Category:Welsh bisexual people by occupation

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The result of the discussion was: merge ( non-admin closure) House Blaster ( talk · he/him) 00:03, 15 April 2024 (UTC) reply
Nominator's rationale: Upmerge for now. There's only one (underpopulated) occupation in here, which is not helpful for navigation Mason ( talk) 19:08, 7 April 2024 (UTC) reply
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Category:War criminals by nationality

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The result of the discussion was: keep. (non-admin closure) House Blaster ( talk · he/him) 01:34, 15 April 2024 (UTC) reply
Nominator's rationale: These are the same thing. Am I missing something? If I'm not, I'm happy to add the rest of the categories to the list. Mason ( talk) 18:23, 7 April 2024 (UTC) reply
Oppose. These categories are meant for war criminals who were never formally convicted of war crimes. It exists for the same reason why Category:War criminals is seperate from Category:People convicted of war crimes. AHI-3000 ( talk) 18:27, 7 April 2024 (UTC) reply
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Category:LGBT asexual people

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The result of the discussion was: delete/merge ( non-admin closure) Qwerfjkl talk 18:20, 15 April 2024 (UTC) reply
Nominator's rationale: Redundant, as all intersex people are LGBT. Editor has been warned about their alternative definition of LGBTQI+ User talk:Bohemian Baltimore#Category:Pansexual women#Aromanticism and Asexuality are the A of LGBTQIA+ and Intersex is the I and is inherently an LGBTQIA+ identity. (Also for the emtied categories, I've nominated them to make it clear that the category shouldn't be recreated Mason ( talk) 18:15, 7 April 2024 (UTC) reply
Support a merger as well. The fact these were created WITHOUT much discussion is deeply unfortunate and needs to be reversed. I would also say that the said user needs to be warned. Historyday01 ( talk) 02:58, 8 April 2024 (UTC) reply
@ Smasongarrison No, they aren't. There are plenty of asexuals who identify also as lesbian, gay, bi, or transgender. There are plenty of asexuals who identify as cis and heteroromantic / straight. Wikipedia should not erase queer asexuals. Being both queer and asexuals is a non-trivial intersection, a minority within a minority. There's a reason that terms like homoromantic and biromantic are used in the asexual community; because asexuals queers exist. Likewise, it is flat out false that all intersex people are LGBT. There are plenty of intersex people who identify as cisgender heterosexuals. Being both intersex and LGBT is likewise a meaningful and defining intersection of two oppressed identities. Bohemian Baltimore ( talk) 10:21, 10 April 2024 (UTC) reply
  • Support - As proposed (disclosure, I was the user that warned them about their misinformed interpretation of LGBTQIA+ at User talk:Bohemian Baltimore#Aromanticism and Asexuality are the A of LGBTQIA+ and Intersex is the I and is inherently an LGBTQIA+ identity and manually emptied the LGBT aromantic people category aready). Raladic ( talk) 19:00, 7 April 2024 (UTC) reply
  • Support —  OwenBlacker (he/him; Talk) 18:58, 7 April 2024 (UTC) reply
  • Support per nom, but do not merge to Category:Gay men because articles are already in the tree of Category:Gay men by nationality and/or by occupation. Marcocapelle ( talk) 20:09, 7 April 2024 (UTC) reply
    Seconding this. I've gone through and checked, and all the members of the "Asexual gay men" category are already in other branches of the "Gay men" category tree, so they only need to be merged to "Asexual men" ForsythiaJo ( talk) 20:59, 7 April 2024 (UTC) reply
    Keep asexual gay men, merge the rest, per Marco. -- MikutoH talk! 23:20, 7 April 2024 (UTC) reply
    How is "Keep asexual gay men" in line with what Marco says? A triple intersection like this is a tough sell under EGRS. Mason ( talk) 00:24, 8 April 2024 (UTC) reply
    • Keep is not in line with what I said. Marcocapelle ( talk) 06:26, 8 April 2024 (UTC) reply
      I misread and confused with another commenter in the intersex thread saying "...with exception of...". Anyways it's not a triple intersection essentially, since both identities can complement each other. -- MikutoH talk! 00:30, 9 April 2024 (UTC) reply
  • Support per nom. ForsythiaJo ( talk) 20:56, 7 April 2024 (UTC) reply
  • Support, already covered by LGBTQIA terminology and shouldn't be othered in the category trees. Suonii180 ( talk) 23:26, 7 April 2024 (UTC) reply
  • Oppose I strongly oppose the erasure of asexual and intersex people who are gay, lesbian, bisexual, or transgender and the subsequent eradication of any categories that mention LGBT intersex and asexual people. Being both LGBT and intersex or LGBT and asexual is a relevant and defining intersection of two oppressed groups, a minority within a minority. Likewise, there are many intersex people who identify as cis/hetero or straight and many asexuals who identify as cis/heteroromantic or straight. Bohemian Baltimore ( talk) 10:33, 10 April 2024 (UTC) reply
    Your error stems from the misunderstanding that is how we consider LGBT as encompassng all parts of the LGBTQIA+ umbrella per current Wikipedia consensus. It just hasn't been renamed because consensus for what to rename it to (LGBT vs LGBTQ vs LGBTQ+ and so on) has been difficult (you can find a whole lot of history of rename discussions at LGBT.
    Since Asexual, Aromantic and and Intersex are inherently part of that community umbrella, it is redundant to say that someone who is Asexual is also LGBTQIA+ with a different category, hence the categories you created misrepresent this and imply that they were not already part of the umbrella by othering them out. Raladic ( talk) 14:15, 10 April 2024 (UTC) reply
  • Support, per nom assuming the nominator meant to say "asexual" and not "intersex" (AFAICT all of the categories listed above are about "asexual", not "intersex"); in any case, I support ditching the weird "LGBT asexual" categories (either merging them per nom, or just removing them if the articles are already better categorized in other ways as Marcocapelle suggests). -sche ( talk) 02:20, 12 April 2024 (UTC) reply
  • Comment Category:LGBT aromantic people was an empty category due to be deleted on Sunday. Why did you make it part of this CFD discussion when it was already going to be deleted? Did you not see the CSD tag on the page? Liz Read! Talk! 07:16, 14 April 2024 (UTC) reply
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Category:Intersex transgender people

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Category:Wikipedians by sexuality

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The result of the discussion was: merge. There is consensus that this category should not exist, but there is no consensus on whether Category:Wikipedians who reject a sexual preference label‎ should be in the merge target ( Category:LGBT+ Wikipedians). Because that is a concern more suited to the talk page than a full-blown CfD, further discussion on the categorization of Category:Wikipedians who reject a sexual preference label‎ can take place at Category talk:Category:Wikipedians who reject a sexual preference label‎. (non-admin closure) House Blaster ( talk · he/him) 16:09, 15 April 2024 (UTC) reply
Nominator's rationale: This seems unhelpful for navigation Mason ( talk) 17:49, 7 April 2024 (UTC) reply
  • Support —  OwenBlacker (he/him; Talk) 18:58, 7 April 2024 (UTC) reply
  • Support - Raladic ( talk) 19:19, 7 April 2024 (UTC) reply
  • Support per WP:OVERLAPCAT but purge the last subcategory. Marcocapelle ( talk) 20:14, 7 April 2024 (UTC) reply
  • Oppose People who "who reject a sexual preference label" are very explicitly not defining themselves as LGBT, so that subcat doesn't belong in the LGBT category. Second, not all asexuals identify as L, G, B or T. Plenty of asexuals are cisgender and identify as straight or heteroromantic. Erasing queer asexuals is homophobic and transphobic. Being both queer and asexual is a relevant intersection. Bohemian Baltimore ( talk) 10:12, 10 April 2024 (UTC) reply
    Please see the above comment by Raladic "LGBT [i]s encompassng all parts of the LGBTQIA+ umbrella per current Wikipedia consensus." No one is erasing queer people or asexual people with these categories. As a queer person, I appreciate your concern about representation. However, I think calling the current category homophobic and transphobic is missing the point. Mason ( talk) 18:45, 10 April 2024 (UTC) reply
    @ Smasongarrison We could avoid the debate over whether all asexuals and all intersex people are LGBT by merging the LGBT asexuals and LGBT intersex people categories, but keeping the categories for people who specifically identify as gay, lesbian, bisexual, or transgender. As a non-heterosexual and non-cisgender member of the LGBTQ community, representation is indeed my concern. Thank you. Although, wouldn't people who reject a label by definition also be rejecting an LGBT label? Bohemian Baltimore ( talk) 22:07, 10 April 2024 (UTC) reply
    I don't understand what you're trying to get at with your rhetorical questions. Mason ( talk) 22:14, 10 April 2024 (UTC) reply
    @ Smasongarrison There's a single question. Why should people who reject a label be labeled as LGBT, per your baffling insistence that no label = LGBT? That doesn't add up. That doesn't make sense. Bohemian Baltimore ( talk) 22:32, 10 April 2024 (UTC) reply
  • I oppose a merger, but would be fine with simply deleting the "by sexuality" category. I can't support a merger, because the categories, as named, have different scopes, and I'm not talking about the question of whether LGBT includes B, or L, or A, or whatnot, I'm talking about the other category: heterosexuality (for example) is a sexuality, but not (in most cases) "LGBT", so "Wikipedians by sexuality"—as presently named—is scoping itself to somethng broader than "LGBT Wikipedians". However, "Heterosexual Wikipedians" has been deleted for not being related to improving articles, and "Wikipedians who reject a sexual preference label" says (for better or worse) that it's only for LGBT-aligned people, so I see that there's nothing but LGBT sexualities to go in the "by sexuality" category, making it useless/redundant to the "LGBT Wikipedians" category, so I am fine with just deleting the "by sexuality" category. -sche ( talk) 02:41, 12 April 2024 (UTC) reply
  • @ -sche: in this case, technically, a merger and a deletion is almost the same, because all subcategories except the last one are already in the target. So deletion in contrast to merge just translates as "don't put Wikipedians who reject a sexual preference label under Category:LGBT+ Wikipedians". Marcocapelle ( talk) 06:36, 12 April 2024 (UTC) reply
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Category:Transgender women by sexual orientation

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The result of the discussion was: merge as nominated (in the updated nomination). (non-admin closure) House Blaster ( talk · he/him) 23:59, 14 April 2024 (UTC) reply
Nominator's rationale: Upmerge. per /info/en/?search=Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2024_February_2#LGBT_people_by_sexual_orientation_and_nationality Mason ( talk) 17:34, 7 April 2024 (UTC) reply
I support this upmerger as proposed. It would be more useful to users this way. Historyday01 ( talk) 03:00, 8 April 2024 (UTC) reply
  • It would be more in line with recent CfD outcomes ( [1] [2] [3] [4]) to eliminate the newly created Category:Transgender people by sexual orientation rather than merging into it. It's just another unhelpful intermediate category level.-- Trystan ( talk) 17:58, 7 April 2024 (UTC) reply
    Let me add that to the nom! @ Trystan: Mason ( talk) 18:08, 7 April 2024 (UTC) reply
    Thanks. I support as revised.-- Trystan ( talk) 18:36, 7 April 2024 (UTC) reply
  • Support —  OwenBlacker (he/him; Talk) 18:58, 7 April 2024 (UTC) reply
  • Support - Raladic ( talk) 19:19, 7 April 2024 (UTC) reply
  • Merge, the first two are redundant category layer with only a few subcategories. The last is an odd mix of very unrelated subcategories. Marcocapelle ( talk) 20:18, 7 April 2024 (UTC) reply
    Merge, but also reparent subcategories in Category:Transgender people by sexual orientation (as well as transgender lesbians and transgender gay men) to Category:Transgender sexuality as well. Please tag/sort them to be grouped to gether -- MikutoH talk! 23:24, 7 April 2024 (UTC) reply
  • Oppose Being gay, lesbian, or bisexual is defining. There's no reason to erase gay/lesbian and bi people within the trans community. Being both queer (sexually) and trans is a double minority. It is relevant and defining, not a trivial intersection. Bohemian Baltimore ( talk) 10:08, 10 April 2024 (UTC) reply
    No one is erasing being both a gender and sexual minority. The merging of the category places both elements on equal footing in the main category rather than isolating each. Mason ( talk) 12:07, 10 April 2024 (UTC) reply
    Nothing is erased, people can be part of multiple, separate categories as is already the case. Raladic ( talk) 14:26, 10 April 2024 (UTC) reply
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Category:Category:Overseas Chinese Presidents

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Category:Indian massacres

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Category:Genocidal massacres

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The result of the discussion was: delete ( non-admin closure) House Blaster ( talk · he/him) 23:57, 14 April 2024 (UTC) reply
Nominator's rationale: Appears to be WP:SUBJECTIVECAT - the genocidal massacre article doesn't offer a firm number-based benchmark and it could be rightfully stated that any sizeable massacre is genocidal. As such, that categorization also opens the gates for original research. Brandmeister talk 14:00, 7 April 2024 (UTC) reply
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Sexism

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The result of the discussion was: merge ( non-admin closure) House Blaster ( talk · he/him) 16:14, 15 April 2024 (UTC) reply
Nominator's rationale: merge, redundant category layer with only one article and one subcategory each. Marcocapelle ( talk) 12:06, 7 April 2024 (UTC) reply
  • Merge per nom, WP:OVERLAPCAT. Brandmeister talk 14:02, 7 April 2024 (UTC) reply
  • Support —  OwenBlacker (he/him; Talk) 18:58, 7 April 2024 (UTC) reply
  • Upmerge for now without prejudice per nom. NLeeuw ( talk) 00:29, 10 April 2024 (UTC) reply
  • Oppose: Category:Sexism by country in general provides easy navigation for related article per country. Having one article in a cat is not a solid ground for merger or deletion especially as most of these countries in the nom has very low coverage here, which can be improved rather than erased. In general I do not think the merger will improve anything but will limit the reader access to the entries from this countries at Category:Sexism by country FuzzyMagma ( talk) 10:46, 10 April 2024 (UTC) reply
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Wollaton Wagonway

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The result of the discussion was: merge ( non-admin closure) House Blaster ( talk · he/him) 23:57, 14 April 2024 (UTC) reply
Nominator's rationale: merge, isolated year categories. Marcocapelle ( talk) 11:59, 7 April 2024 (UTC) reply
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Category:Conservative Judaism in the United Kingdom

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The result of the discussion was: rename ( non-admin closure) House Blaster ( talk · he/him) 23:57, 14 April 2024 (UTC) reply
Nominator's rationale: "Conservative" has a party-political meaning in the United Kingdom and is therefore an inappropriate description for what is known as Masorti Judaism in the UK. For instance, in the bio on Maurice Glasman, Baron Glasman, who is a prominent member of Masorti UK, he should be categorised as a British Conservative Jew, but that doesn't sit easily with him being also a prominent member of the British Labour Party. Headhitter ( talk) 09:20, 7 April 2024 (UTC) reply
  • Rename per nom. I note that main article Conservative Judaism says Conservative Judaism (known as Masorti Judaism outside North America). The UK is outside North America, so Masorti Judaism makes sense for this catname. NLeeuw ( talk) 09:48, 7 April 2024 (UTC) reply
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Category:Eastern European diaspora in the United States

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The result of the discussion was: merge ( non-admin closure) House Blaster ( talk · he/him) 23:52, 14 April 2024 (UTC) reply
Nominator's rationale: WP:OVERLAPCAT WP:ARBITRARYCAT. Home-made definition of "Eastern European", ranging from Azerbaijani to Montenegrin to Czech to Estonian; it has no siblings like Category:Western European diaspora in the United States or Category:Southern European diaspora in the United States (it seems that everything except Italy, Greece, Cyprus and Turkey is considered "Eastern European" already). NLeeuw ( talk) 09:36, 7 April 2024 (UTC) reply
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Category:Indo-Bangladesh joint production films

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The result of the discussion was: delete ( non-admin closure) House Blaster ( talk · he/him) 23:52, 14 April 2024 (UTC) reply
Nominator's rationale: Recreation at a slightly different name of a category previously deleted per Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2022 June 21#Category:American-Canadian joint production. Films that are joint productions of more than one country are certainly categorized for each relevant country on its own, but do not get special "X+Y joint production" categories -- since there are close to 200 countries in the world and all of their film industries engage in some degree of multinational coproduction with other countries' film industries, scaling this out to its logical endpoint would require the creation of between 30 to 40 thousand categories for every possible combination of two countries. And then we would have to start catting for three-country, four-country and five-country combos too, which is just an untenable nightmare. Bearcat ( talk) 04:00, 7 April 2024 (UTC) reply
  • Delete, per nom, and joint production is also a trivial characteristic of a film. Marcocapelle ( talk) 05:40, 7 April 2024 (UTC) reply
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Category:Unrecognized tribes in the United States

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Category:Griffith family

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The result of the discussion was: just deleted by User:Liz ( non-admin closure) Marcocapelle ( talk) 05:58, 7 April 2024 (UTC) reply
Nominator's rationale: This category was supposed to be deleted on March 20 and again on April 3. Something's not working. Yours6700 ( talk) 01:05, 7 April 2024 (UTC) reply
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Category:Academics of the College of the Resurrection

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The result of the discussion was: keep. (non-admin closure) House Blaster ( talk · he/him) 23:52, 14 April 2024 (UTC) reply
Nominator's rationale: To match other staff categories in Category:Bible colleges, seminaries and theological colleges in England Gaia Octavia Agrippa Talk 14:14, 22 March 2024 (UTC) reply
Comment. But the parent category is Academics by university or college in England. Staff has a *very* different meaning. From looking at the contents, these people are academics. If anything, I think that other categories should be renamed to reflect that these folks are academic staff/faculty. Mason ( talk) 20:29, 22 March 2024 (UTC) reply

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Qwerfjkl talk 12:33, 30 March 2024 (UTC) reply

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
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I update my vote to oppose. Mason ( talk) 18:37, 7 April 2024 (UTC) reply
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Category:2023 Marrakesh-Safi earthquake

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The result of the discussion was: rename to Category:2023 Al Haouz earthquake with no prejudice against speedy renomination for deletion. (non-admin closure) House Blaster ( talk · he/him) 23:51, 14 April 2024 (UTC) reply
Nominator's rationale: Per main article move. Article's name is now 2023 Al Haouz earthquake. WikiCleanerMan ( talk) 12:30, 22 March 2024 (UTC) reply
  • Delete, redundant category layer, there is nothing in the category but the main article and the above subcategory. If kept of course rename, then it is a simple matter of WP:C2D. Marcocapelle ( talk) 14:19, 22 March 2024 (UTC) reply

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Rename or delete?
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Comment If deleted, it'll leave the subcat as the only one without a main category. But I'm still for renaming. -- WikiCleanerMan ( talk) 23:58, 30 March 2024 (UTC) reply

  • The subcat still has three other parent categories. Marcocapelle ( talk) 13:42, 31 March 2024 (UTC) reply

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: More participation would be very much appreciated :) If there is no further participation by next week, I think a rename (per WP:C2D) with no prejudice against speedy renomination for deletion is the appropriate close.
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Rename. I think that there's now just enough to support a category, but I don't feel strongly. Mason ( talk) 19:10, 7 April 2024 (UTC) reply
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April 6

Category:Mohave tribe

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Category:WikiProject Film banner templates with categories disabled

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The result of the discussion was: delete. (non-admin closure) House Blaster ( talk · he/him) 04:20, 14 April 2024 (UTC) reply
Nominator's rationale: Outdated maintenance tracking category no longer populated by the template that formerly used it. Previously, {{ WikiProject Film}} had complex coding that created categories for whether each film met various individual class-rating criteria or not, and would populate this category if any or all of those were disabled -- but that's long since been deprecated and removed, so that the template no longer features any code that would add this category, and thus never files anything in it.
So it can always be recreated at a later date if it's ever needed again for some new purpose, but there's no real need for it to sit permanently empty if it isn't actually being used anymore. Bearcat ( talk) 19:55, 6 April 2024 (UTC) reply
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Category:Sogdian metalworking

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The result of the discussion was: merge to Category:Sogdian art. (non-admin closure) House Blaster ( talk · he/him) 04:19, 14 April 2024 (UTC) reply
Nominator's rationale: Dual upmerge. There's only one page in here, which isn't helpful for navigation Mason ( talk) 18:33, 6 April 2024 (UTC) reply
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Tunnels

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The result of the discussion was: merge ( non-admin closure) House Blaster ( talk · he/him) 04:16, 14 April 2024 (UTC) reply
Nominator's rationale: merge, isolated year categories. Marcocapelle ( talk) 17:44, 6 April 2024 (UTC) reply
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Category:People from the Manipur Kingdom

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The result of the discussion was: delete. I have added the article to Category:People from Manipur. (non-admin closure) House Blaster ( talk · he/him) 04:18, 14 April 2024 (UTC) reply
Nominator's rationale: delete, redundant category layer with only one subcategory and one article. Move the article to Category:People from Manipur. Marcocapelle ( talk) 16:14, 6 April 2024 (UTC) reply
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Category:21st-century Algerian inventors

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The result of the discussion was: merge ( non-admin closure) House Blaster ( talk · he/him) 04:15, 14 April 2024 (UTC) reply
Nominator's rationale: Dual upmerge for now. There's only one person in the entire Algerian inventors tree Mason ( talk) 16:07, 6 April 2024 (UTC) reply
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Category:Nobility from Manipur

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The result of the discussion was: delete ( non-admin closure) House Blaster ( talk · he/him) 04:15, 14 April 2024 (UTC) reply
Nominator's rationale: Complete overlap with Category:Meitei princesses and Category:Princesses of Manipur. PepperBeast (talk) 14:10, 6 April 2024 (UTC) reply
  • Delete per nom. No objection to recreate the category when some articles about Manipur nobles (beyond royalty) will be available. Marcocapelle ( talk) 16:20, 6 April 2024 (UTC) reply
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Category:Languages with Linglist code

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Category:Officially used writing systems of India

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The result of the discussion was: delete. Noting that the opposition was withdrawn with the edit summary On second thought, restating my earlier contribution reflecting Marcocapelle's remarks. (non-admin closure) House Blaster ( talk · he/him) 04:24, 14 April 2024 (UTC) reply
Nominator's rationale: WP:NONDEF. It's also basically nonsense. These are the writing systems used to write the schedule 8 languages of India, but they're mostly just conventional scripts, not "Official". PepperBeast (talk) 14:05, 6 April 2024 (UTC) reply
  • Keep on administrative grounds.Note for context A recent nomination of the corresponding article ended with no consensus (though the article has since been moved to a more concise title). Pertinent points appear in that discussion. Participants in this discussion ought to read through that discussion for context. In any event, the article survived and the category is no less justifiable than the article. Largoplazo ( talk) 16:04, 6 April 2024 (UTC) reply
  • Delete, not a defining characteristic. The fact that there is an article is not a relevant argument, not for every article there is also a category. Marcocapelle ( talk) 16:24, 6 April 2024 (UTC) reply
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Category:Beauty goddesses

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Category:Moirang

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The result of the discussion was: delete. Noting Category:Bishnupur district was already added to Thangjing Temple, Moirang by Pepperbeast. (non-admin closure) House Blaster ( talk · he/him) 04:14, 14 April 2024 (UTC) reply
Nominator's rationale: Tiny category containing two articles. Delete without prejudice. PepperBeast (talk) 13:55, 6 April 2024 (UTC) reply
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Category:Organisations based in Thoubal

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The result of the discussion was: delete ( non-admin closure) House Blaster ( talk · he/him) 04:12, 14 April 2024 (UTC) reply
Nominator's rationale: Category of one item. Delete without prejudice. PepperBeast (talk) 13:50, 6 April 2024 (UTC) reply
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Category:Organisations based in Jiribam

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The result of the discussion was: delete ( non-admin closure) House Blaster ( talk · he/him) 04:12, 14 April 2024 (UTC) reply
Nominator's rationale: Category of one item. Delete without prejudice. PepperBeast (talk) 13:50, 6 April 2024 (UTC) reply
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Category:9th-century bishops in the Carolingian Empire

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The result of the discussion was: merge ( non-admin closure) House Blaster ( talk · he/him) 04:16, 14 April 2024 (UTC) reply
Nominator's rationale: merge, the Carolingian Empire existed from 800 to 888 so there is no reason to diffuse it by century. Marcocapelle ( talk) 13:45, 6 April 2024 (UTC) reply
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Category:Judith of Flanders

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The result of the discussion was: delete ( non-admin closure) House Blaster ( talk · he/him) 04:12, 14 April 2024 (UTC) reply
Nominator's rationale: delete per WP:OCEPON, redundant category layer with only the main article and a subcategory. Marcocapelle ( talk) 13:40, 6 April 2024 (UTC) reply
Support per nom and as category creator. Mason ( talk) 13:48, 6 April 2024 (UTC) reply
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Category:Pages using WikiProject Fossorials with unknown parameters

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The result of the discussion was: delete. (non-admin closure) House Blaster ( talk · he/him) 04:11, 14 April 2024 (UTC) reply
Nominator's rationale: Wikipedia:WikiProject Fossorials was userfied per Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/Wikipedia:WikiProject Fossorials - this maintenance category depends on a now non-existant WikiProject Harryboyles 11:31, 6 April 2024 (UTC) reply
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Category:Former streets and street names in Los Angeles

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The result of the discussion was: delete ( non-admin closure) House Blaster ( talk · he/him) 04:16, 14 April 2024 (UTC) reply
Nominator's rationale: delete, there are only three redirects, this is not helpful for navigation between articles. Marcocapelle ( talk) 07:54, 6 April 2024 (UTC) reply
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Category:Bridges completed in 1192

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The result of the discussion was: merge ( non-admin closure) House Blaster ( talk · he/him) 04:16, 14 April 2024 (UTC) reply
Nominator's rationale: merge, isolated year categories. Marcocapelle ( talk) 06:21, 6 April 2024 (UTC) reply
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Category:Dams completed in 1600

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The result of the discussion was: merge ( non-admin closure) House Blaster ( talk · he/him) 04:16, 14 April 2024 (UTC) reply
Nominator's rationale: merge, isolated year category. Marcocapelle ( talk) 06:16, 6 April 2024 (UTC) reply
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Category:Tigers in Meitei culture

Relisted, see Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2024 April 14#Category:Tigers in Meitei culture

Category:Disasters in Germany by province or territory

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The result of the discussion was: merge/delete as nominated. (non-admin closure) House Blaster ( talk · he/him) 05:32, 14 April 2024 (UTC) reply
Nominator's rationale: unnecessary category tree created by a disruptive editor Mason ( talk) 02:25, 6 April 2024 (UTC) reply
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Category:Films about fictional secret intelligence agencies

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The result of the discussion was: merge ( non-admin closure) House Blaster ( talk · he/him) 04:09, 14 April 2024 (UTC) reply
Nominator's rationale: Overlapping categories Mason ( talk) 02:23, 6 April 2024 (UTC) reply
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Category:Sahitya Akademi recognised languages

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The result of the discussion was: delete ( non-admin closure) House Blaster ( talk · he/him) 04:08, 14 April 2024 (UTC) reply
Nominator's rationale: WP:NONDEF. PepperBeast (talk) 02:09, 6 April 2024 (UTC) reply
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Free sex

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The result of the discussion was: delete. (non-admin closure) House Blaster ( talk · he/him) 04:08, 14 April 2024 (UTC) reply
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