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Category:Queer actresses by nationality
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Nominator's rationale: Upmerge for now. There's only one nationality in here, which isn't helpful for navigation
Mason (
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Merge per nom, plus there seems to be lots of messy/over-categorization here.
Jill Harris is in
Category:Queer actresses and also an "American queer actor" (without any trans aspect I can see). But not in this category.
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Category:Athletic Club football teams and seasons
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Nominator's rationale:delete, the category mainly consists of entries merely bearing the name Athletic Club, and for other entries it is entirely unclear why they are in this category.
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Delete per nom. –
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Category:19th-century Roman Catholic bishops in the Papal States
Category:South Bend Athletic Association football seasons
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Nominator's rationale: Only 1 page in category.
Let'srun (
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Support in principle, but notdelete. @
Let'srun for tiny categories like this that are too small at the moment, a merge target is important so that the page isn't isolated from the tree. Do you have a suggested merge?
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Delete per nom. –
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Category:Lawyers from the Colony of New South Wales
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Triple merge per Marcocapelle, and precedent discussions. The intersection between the past political status of NSW and occupation seems irrelevant to these individuals' biographies, as presumably a scientist or businesspeople goes on with the same occupation when the political status changes.
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The result of the discussion was:Rename Uncontested for two weeks, could have been speedy renamed per C2A.
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Category:Fictional characters involved in incest
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Nominator's rationale: The "involved in" is a dead giveaway that this isn't defining for a character, just an aspect of the story itself. Therefore it clearly fails
WP:NONDEF.
ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (
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Support per nom
Mason (
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Oppose "just an aspect of the story itself" Incomprehensible. The story is what tells us about the life events of a character.
Dimadick (
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Something outside of the character that happens to them is not the same thing as an intrinsic trait of the character that would be defining for them.
ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (
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Oppose per Dimadick
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Category:Finno-Ugric peoples
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The result of the discussion was:no consensus.
WP:NPASR applies.
✗plicit 00:44, 11 February 2024 (UTC)reply
Nominator's rationale: The terms Finno-Ugric and Uralic are often used interchangeably
[2] and it is often unclear whether to classify pages under 'Uralic' or 'Finno-Ugric' (
example) The subcategories of Uralic peoples should also mimic the structure of the template
Template:Finno-Ugric peoples. Compare also with
Category:Uralic languages, which is in a better shape.
Jähmefyysikko (
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Samoyedic peoples are apparently not part of Finno-Ugric peoples but part of Uralic peoples. By the way I wonder to what extent
Finno-Ugric peoples and
Uralic peoples are established terms because we do not have articles about them, they are just redirects to languages.
Marcocapelle (
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The terms are quite conventional, even though one always needs to be aware of the dangers of using such ethnically loaded concepts. Nevertheless, the notion of 'Finno-Ugric peoples' is particularly important in Russian history. Both articles used to exist
[3][4] but were made into a redirects without any discussion. I am working on the topic now, and in my sandbox you can find a
long list of references which do establish the terms. About the Samoyeds: In principle, Uralic is only synonymous with the long phrase "Finno-Ugric and Samoyedic", but in practice the mention of Samoyeds is often dropped and Uralic and Finno-Ugric are treated as synonyms. This is also supported by the fact that it does not seem possible to make linguistic distinction between things like
Proto-Finno-Ugric and
Proto-Uralic. Some further examples of usage:
Category:Finno-Ugrists is correctly categorized in
Category:Uralic languages, and all the individual articles currently in
Category:Finno-Ugric peoples should more correctly be categorized to
Category:Uralic peoples, since they all concern also the Samoyeds.
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Category:Fictional bibliophiles
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Nominator's rationale: This would appear to be your standard
WP:SUBJECTIVECAT as it is unclear what would qualify a fictional character to be a bibliophile, or what would make them defined by that trait.
ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (
ᴛ) 08:30, 16 January 2024 (UTC)reply
Delete, a rather trivial characteristic.
Marcocapelle (
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Keep, a lot of the entries seem to surpisingly fit, with
Belle (Disney character),
Twilight Sparkle and
Hermione Granger all having a strong fascination with reading that defines their characters. Presuming the category is well maintained, that seems to be more objective of a category for fictional characters.
Keep "surpisingly fit" Not that surprising, since this is an entire type of characters, and not than rare either. In Twilight Sparkle's case, she spent part of her series living in a library and was the closest thing to a
librarian which the main setting had. She did not just read books, she offered or lend books to other characters.
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Category:Fictional travelers
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✗plicit 00:43, 11 February 2024 (UTC)reply
Nominator's rationale: The vagueness of this category makes it a
WP:SUBJECTIVECAT. Being a traveler in general is not a defining aspect of a character, whereas the subcategories arguably are defining, as they depict specific types of traveler, that aren't subjective in nature. Of course, the individual articles in the category would be purged.
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Comment. I agree that it is confusing and vague, but we have the non-fictional version as well, which I think has the same problems.
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Nominator's rationale: Only the first category encompasses actual dimensional travelers. The others have members that are not necessarily defined by being a dimensional traveler, though they may have engaged in it. Therefore, the category is redundant, as well as potentially confusing due to its lack of "fictional".
ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (
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Churches in the United Kingdom by century, 7th-17th century
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Nominator's rationale: The United Kingdom didn't exist as these predate the
Acts of Union 1707. As they were separate countries, churches by century categories for each nation should be in corresponding century and country category.
Suonii180 (
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Even though
7th-century church buildings in England etc would be kept, losing the UK hierarchy before C18 would not be helpful for navigation. The C11 and C12 categories also include member pages in the Channel Islands, which would no longer be accessible by country and century if the nomination were approved. Moreover,
11th to
14th also have subcats for RC churches. –
FayenaticLondon 12:45, 16 January 2024 (UTC)reply
Keep. This means buildings now in the United Kingdom that date from those centuries. It's a fundamental misunderstanding of the categories. --
Necrothesp (
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Keep "The United Kingdom didn't exist" How the heck is that factoid relevant? This is a category for centuries-old buildings, divided by their geographic location.
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Merge per nom. That said, I also like the alternative by Aiden: rename them to "YY-century churches in Great Britain" per Aiden's suggestion.
Omnis Scientia (
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Strong Keep Nonsense proposal - no modern country except perhaps Egypt existed 2,000 years ago, yet we have dozens if not hundreds of categories for Roman/Greek/Indian buildings by modern country. If the cats said "of" rather than "in" there might be the glimmering of a case, but they don't. Or has this proposal been very badly explained? The main stated grounds make no sense at all.
Johnbod (
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U still around? I think you are one of the better editors on WP so I am surprised you are sticking it out! And I agree with you on this one.
121.98.204.148 (
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Keep and speedy close. The nom does not see the difference in "in" and "of" ("or constructed in"). 23:27, 25 January 2024 (UTC) — Preceding
unsigned comment added by
121.98.204.148 (
talk)
Keep. Believe it or not, there are 16th-century churches in the United Kingdom. Today.
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Qwerfjkltalk 21:42, 1 February 2024 (UTC)reply
Another completely unnecessary rollover by
User:Qwerfjkl! This is a clear Keep.
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@
Johnbod, This is not a clear keep, or I would have closed it as such. It may still end as keep, but it is by no means clear, which is why I relisted it.
Qwerfjkltalk 19:40, 5 February 2024 (UTC)reply
User:Qwerfjkl, it is clear there is no consensus (with keep votes the most numerous), so it defaults to keep.
Johnbod (
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@
Johnbod, "keep" is not the same as "no consensus" . I would close it as no consensus only if it was clear there was nothing left to discuss, that's the point of relisting. And these are
!votes, so I don't count them.
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Category:Hafez al-Assad
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@
Cactinites: the article has been moved three months ago without RM, so the usage of C2D as the main argument is questionable. It requires more substantive arguments.
Marcocapelle (
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Oppose. Inconsistent even within the main article. It seems that the article move was probably motivated by an interpretation of Arabic-to-English transcription rather than common English usage.
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I have submitted a technical move request to move the article back.
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This nomination is moot since the article is now back at its original title.
Marcocapelle (
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I support a procedural speedy close, per lack of rationale.
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Keep/close, Another completely unnecessary rollover by
User:Qwerfjkl!
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Category:Ukrainian territories claimed by Russia
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Nominator's rationale:WP:NONDEFINING, Russian officials have laid claim to various areas in Ukraine, with some claiming the entirety of Ukraine.
Yorkporter (
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Delete as a matter of recentism.
Marcocapelle (
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Delete, recentism indeed. Russia also claimed 'Ukrainian' territories with very different limits in the 18th century or in the early 20th century.
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Category:Swedish migration to North America
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Nominator's rationale: better fits the content, as well as sibling categories. Besides the emigrants children categories (which can be reparented), these categories are in fact not just about migration but also diaspora including subsequent generations, their culture etc.
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Nominator's rationale: This is the official name for the subdivision it belongs to, so I believe this is a more fitting name — Preceding
unsigned comment added by
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Category:Railway stations in Bath, Somerset
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Nominator's rationale: This is the official name for the subdivision, so I believe the category name for it should be reflective.
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Category:Railway stations in Bristol, Bath and South Gloucestershire
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Category:History of the United States by ethnic group
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Category:Unorganized territory of the United States
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Nominator's rationale: We seem to have a mix of biographical and non-biographical articles here, which fails
WP:COPSEP. --
woodensuperman 12:31, 1 February 2024 (UTC)reply
Support It seems to be a good idea for a subcategory, if we have more than 5 bio articles on this topic.
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Purge biographies but keep per above. HouseBlaster (
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Category:Paleoconservatism
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Nominator's rationale: We seem to have a mix of biographical and non-biographical articles here, which fails
WP:COPSEP--
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Support It seems to be a good idea for a subcategory, if we have more than 5 bio articles on this topic.
Dimadick (
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Purge biographies per
WP:OPINIONCAT for non-politicians (while politicians belong in a category by party).
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Purge biographies but keep per above. HouseBlaster (
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Category:Right-wing populism in the United States
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Nominator's rationale: We seem to have a mix of biographical and non-biographical articles here, which fails
WP:COPSEP. --
woodensuperman 12:28, 1 February 2024 (UTC)reply
Week-oppose This is a possible
pejorative term. Does any source actually call them "Right-wing populists"
Dimadick (
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If it is the case that this is perjorative, then either way the biographical articles should be purged from this non-biographical category. --
woodensuperman 13:23, 1 February 2024 (UTC)reply
Purge biographies per
WP:OPINIONCAT for non-politicians (while politicians belong in a category by party).
Marcocapelle (
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comment Right-wing populism is very different from conservatism and should never be conflated, as some of the comments above do so.
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Purge biographies per above, but keep. HouseBlaster (
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Nominator's rationale: Only one category in here, which is unhelpful for navigation. Delete instead of merge because the child category is already in the proper categories.
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Category:Lists of flower festivals
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Nominator's rationale: Upmerge for now. There's only one page in here, which isn't helpful for navigation
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Merge for now, without objection to recreate the category when some more articles are available.
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Category:Greek mythology of Illyria
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Support merge: The characters maybe in Greek mythology but Illyrian is a separate culture and civilization itself. For example, there are many deities that span multiple religions and civilizations, and it would not be objective to claim they're proprietary to just one and not another. If the two nominated Categories each had extensive entries I would have recommended keeping the two separate, since what the Ancient Greeks claimed of Illyria and what Illyrians claimed of themselves (or what modern research attributes to Illyrians) are two distinct scopes of topics.
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Delete per Marcocapelle. We're just talking about article
Illyrius here. This character is presently absent from topic articles
Illyrian religion and
Paleo-Balkan mythology, and seems to be an eponymous ancestor assumed by the Greeks and Romans for the Illyrians rather than a deity worshiped by this non-Greek people.
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Category:Films directed by Ray Smallwood
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The result of the discussion was:merge but trout nominator for emptying a category out-of-process.
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Nominator's rationale: I have doubts as to whether this is a
defining category for individuals. Additionally, when I spot-checked several of the individuals for whom this category has been applied, I didn't see anything stating that those individuals are currently sober.
DonIago (
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Delete per nom.
Mason (
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Delete I am generally in favor on categorizing people by medical conditions or personal beliefs. But not on whether they drink alcohol or smoke cigarettes. Who is going to search for that kind of information?
Dimadick (
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Delete per above. Being cured from addiction is interesting, and should be explained in article body. However, People cured from the flu or another disease or condition will not be a good basis for a category.
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Category:Copper Buddha statues
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Nominator's rationale: Upmerge for now. There's only one copper statue in here, which isn't helpful for navigaiton.
Mason (
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Merge for now, without objection to recreate the category when some more articles are available.
Marcocapelle (
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Merge I suspect that we already have more relevant articles on the topic. But the material of the statue has nothing to do with what it depicts. It seems to be a trivial intersection.
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Strongly disagree with that last bit. But copper statues tend to be regarded as bronze statues, as the
Sultanganj Buddha was for over a century, until an actual analysis was done.
Johnbod (
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Probably Merge One day we will probably follow the museums and go to
Category:Copper and copper alloy sculptures, but not yet. The
Spring Temple Buddha in China is actually copper, per the article, but is categorized as bronze. The are probably several more. So that's 2 - is that enough?
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Category:GA-Class vital articles in Biology
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Nominator's rationale: Given the target category literally begins with the title of this page, I am not seeing how this is a useful category redirect? HouseBlaster (
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Rename and purge per precedent.
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Category:Queer actresses by nationality
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Nominator's rationale: Upmerge for now. There's only one nationality in here, which isn't helpful for navigation
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Merge per nom, plus there seems to be lots of messy/over-categorization here.
Jill Harris is in
Category:Queer actresses and also an "American queer actor" (without any trans aspect I can see). But not in this category.
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Category:Athletic Club football teams and seasons
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Nominator's rationale:delete, the category mainly consists of entries merely bearing the name Athletic Club, and for other entries it is entirely unclear why they are in this category.
Marcocapelle (
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Delete per nom. –
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Category:19th-century Roman Catholic bishops in the Papal States
Category:South Bend Athletic Association football seasons
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Nominator's rationale: Only 1 page in category.
Let'srun (
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Support in principle, but notdelete. @
Let'srun for tiny categories like this that are too small at the moment, a merge target is important so that the page isn't isolated from the tree. Do you have a suggested merge?
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Delete per nom. –
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Category:Lawyers from the Colony of New South Wales
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Triple merge per Marcocapelle, and precedent discussions. The intersection between the past political status of NSW and occupation seems irrelevant to these individuals' biographies, as presumably a scientist or businesspeople goes on with the same occupation when the political status changes.
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The result of the discussion was:Rename Uncontested for two weeks, could have been speedy renamed per C2A.
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Category:Fictional characters involved in incest
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Nominator's rationale: The "involved in" is a dead giveaway that this isn't defining for a character, just an aspect of the story itself. Therefore it clearly fails
WP:NONDEF.
ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (
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Support per nom
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Oppose "just an aspect of the story itself" Incomprehensible. The story is what tells us about the life events of a character.
Dimadick (
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Something outside of the character that happens to them is not the same thing as an intrinsic trait of the character that would be defining for them.
ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (
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Oppose per Dimadick
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Category:Finno-Ugric peoples
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The result of the discussion was:no consensus.
WP:NPASR applies.
✗plicit 00:44, 11 February 2024 (UTC)reply
Nominator's rationale: The terms Finno-Ugric and Uralic are often used interchangeably
[2] and it is often unclear whether to classify pages under 'Uralic' or 'Finno-Ugric' (
example) The subcategories of Uralic peoples should also mimic the structure of the template
Template:Finno-Ugric peoples. Compare also with
Category:Uralic languages, which is in a better shape.
Jähmefyysikko (
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Samoyedic peoples are apparently not part of Finno-Ugric peoples but part of Uralic peoples. By the way I wonder to what extent
Finno-Ugric peoples and
Uralic peoples are established terms because we do not have articles about them, they are just redirects to languages.
Marcocapelle (
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The terms are quite conventional, even though one always needs to be aware of the dangers of using such ethnically loaded concepts. Nevertheless, the notion of 'Finno-Ugric peoples' is particularly important in Russian history. Both articles used to exist
[3][4] but were made into a redirects without any discussion. I am working on the topic now, and in my sandbox you can find a
long list of references which do establish the terms. About the Samoyeds: In principle, Uralic is only synonymous with the long phrase "Finno-Ugric and Samoyedic", but in practice the mention of Samoyeds is often dropped and Uralic and Finno-Ugric are treated as synonyms. This is also supported by the fact that it does not seem possible to make linguistic distinction between things like
Proto-Finno-Ugric and
Proto-Uralic. Some further examples of usage:
Category:Finno-Ugrists is correctly categorized in
Category:Uralic languages, and all the individual articles currently in
Category:Finno-Ugric peoples should more correctly be categorized to
Category:Uralic peoples, since they all concern also the Samoyeds.
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Category:Fictional bibliophiles
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Nominator's rationale: This would appear to be your standard
WP:SUBJECTIVECAT as it is unclear what would qualify a fictional character to be a bibliophile, or what would make them defined by that trait.
ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (
ᴛ) 08:30, 16 January 2024 (UTC)reply
Delete, a rather trivial characteristic.
Marcocapelle (
talk) 19:10, 16 January 2024 (UTC)reply
Keep, a lot of the entries seem to surpisingly fit, with
Belle (Disney character),
Twilight Sparkle and
Hermione Granger all having a strong fascination with reading that defines their characters. Presuming the category is well maintained, that seems to be more objective of a category for fictional characters.
Keep "surpisingly fit" Not that surprising, since this is an entire type of characters, and not than rare either. In Twilight Sparkle's case, she spent part of her series living in a library and was the closest thing to a
librarian which the main setting had. She did not just read books, she offered or lend books to other characters.
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Category:Fictional travelers
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WP:NPASR applies.
✗plicit 00:43, 11 February 2024 (UTC)reply
Nominator's rationale: The vagueness of this category makes it a
WP:SUBJECTIVECAT. Being a traveler in general is not a defining aspect of a character, whereas the subcategories arguably are defining, as they depict specific types of traveler, that aren't subjective in nature. Of course, the individual articles in the category would be purged.
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Comment. I agree that it is confusing and vague, but we have the non-fictional version as well, which I think has the same problems.
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Nominator's rationale: Only the first category encompasses actual dimensional travelers. The others have members that are not necessarily defined by being a dimensional traveler, though they may have engaged in it. Therefore, the category is redundant, as well as potentially confusing due to its lack of "fictional".
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Churches in the United Kingdom by century, 7th-17th century
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Nominator's rationale: The United Kingdom didn't exist as these predate the
Acts of Union 1707. As they were separate countries, churches by century categories for each nation should be in corresponding century and country category.
Suonii180 (
talk) 02:01, 16 January 2024 (UTC)reply
Even though
7th-century church buildings in England etc would be kept, losing the UK hierarchy before C18 would not be helpful for navigation. The C11 and C12 categories also include member pages in the Channel Islands, which would no longer be accessible by country and century if the nomination were approved. Moreover,
11th to
14th also have subcats for RC churches. –
FayenaticLondon 12:45, 16 January 2024 (UTC)reply
Keep. This means buildings now in the United Kingdom that date from those centuries. It's a fundamental misunderstanding of the categories. --
Necrothesp (
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Keep "The United Kingdom didn't exist" How the heck is that factoid relevant? This is a category for centuries-old buildings, divided by their geographic location.
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Qwerfjkltalk 20:05, 24 January 2024 (UTC)reply
Merge per nom. That said, I also like the alternative by Aiden: rename them to "YY-century churches in Great Britain" per Aiden's suggestion.
Omnis Scientia (
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Strong Keep Nonsense proposal - no modern country except perhaps Egypt existed 2,000 years ago, yet we have dozens if not hundreds of categories for Roman/Greek/Indian buildings by modern country. If the cats said "of" rather than "in" there might be the glimmering of a case, but they don't. Or has this proposal been very badly explained? The main stated grounds make no sense at all.
Johnbod (
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U still around? I think you are one of the better editors on WP so I am surprised you are sticking it out! And I agree with you on this one.
121.98.204.148 (
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Keep and speedy close. The nom does not see the difference in "in" and "of" ("or constructed in"). 23:27, 25 January 2024 (UTC) — Preceding
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121.98.204.148 (
talk)
Keep. Believe it or not, there are 16th-century churches in the United Kingdom. Today.
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Another completely unnecessary rollover by
User:Qwerfjkl! This is a clear Keep.
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@
Johnbod, This is not a clear keep, or I would have closed it as such. It may still end as keep, but it is by no means clear, which is why I relisted it.
Qwerfjkltalk 19:40, 5 February 2024 (UTC)reply
User:Qwerfjkl, it is clear there is no consensus (with keep votes the most numerous), so it defaults to keep.
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@
Johnbod, "keep" is not the same as "no consensus" . I would close it as no consensus only if it was clear there was nothing left to discuss, that's the point of relisting. And these are
!votes, so I don't count them.
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Category:Hafez al-Assad
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@
Cactinites: the article has been moved three months ago without RM, so the usage of C2D as the main argument is questionable. It requires more substantive arguments.
Marcocapelle (
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Oppose. Inconsistent even within the main article. It seems that the article move was probably motivated by an interpretation of Arabic-to-English transcription rather than common English usage.
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I have submitted a technical move request to move the article back.
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This nomination is moot since the article is now back at its original title.
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I support a procedural speedy close, per lack of rationale.
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Keep/close, Another completely unnecessary rollover by
User:Qwerfjkl!
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Category:Ukrainian territories claimed by Russia
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Nominator's rationale:WP:NONDEFINING, Russian officials have laid claim to various areas in Ukraine, with some claiming the entirety of Ukraine.
Yorkporter (
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Delete as a matter of recentism.
Marcocapelle (
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Delete, recentism indeed. Russia also claimed 'Ukrainian' territories with very different limits in the 18th century or in the early 20th century.
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Category:Swedish migration to North America
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Nominator's rationale: better fits the content, as well as sibling categories. Besides the emigrants children categories (which can be reparented), these categories are in fact not just about migration but also diaspora including subsequent generations, their culture etc.
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Nominator's rationale: This is the official name for the subdivision it belongs to, so I believe this is a more fitting name — Preceding
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Category:Railway stations in Bath, Somerset
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Nominator's rationale: This is the official name for the subdivision, so I believe the category name for it should be reflective.
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Category:Railway stations in Bristol, Bath and South Gloucestershire
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Nominator's rationale: This is the official name for the subdivision, so I believe the category name for it should be reflective.
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Category:History of the United States by ethnic group
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Category:Unorganized territory of the United States
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Nominator's rationale: We seem to have a mix of biographical and non-biographical articles here, which fails
WP:COPSEP. --
woodensuperman 12:31, 1 February 2024 (UTC)reply
Support It seems to be a good idea for a subcategory, if we have more than 5 bio articles on this topic.
Dimadick (
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Purge biographies but keep per above. HouseBlaster (
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Category:Paleoconservatism
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Nominator's rationale: We seem to have a mix of biographical and non-biographical articles here, which fails
WP:COPSEP--
woodensuperman 12:30, 1 February 2024 (UTC)reply
Support It seems to be a good idea for a subcategory, if we have more than 5 bio articles on this topic.
Dimadick (
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Purge biographies per
WP:OPINIONCAT for non-politicians (while politicians belong in a category by party).
Marcocapelle (
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Purge biographies but keep per above. HouseBlaster (
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Category:Right-wing populism in the United States
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Nominator's rationale: We seem to have a mix of biographical and non-biographical articles here, which fails
WP:COPSEP. --
woodensuperman 12:28, 1 February 2024 (UTC)reply
Week-oppose This is a possible
pejorative term. Does any source actually call them "Right-wing populists"
Dimadick (
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If it is the case that this is perjorative, then either way the biographical articles should be purged from this non-biographical category. --
woodensuperman 13:23, 1 February 2024 (UTC)reply
Purge biographies per
WP:OPINIONCAT for non-politicians (while politicians belong in a category by party).
Marcocapelle (
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comment Right-wing populism is very different from conservatism and should never be conflated, as some of the comments above do so.
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Purge biographies per above, but keep. HouseBlaster (
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Nominator's rationale: Only one category in here, which is unhelpful for navigation. Delete instead of merge because the child category is already in the proper categories.
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Category:Lists of flower festivals
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Nominator's rationale: Upmerge for now. There's only one page in here, which isn't helpful for navigation
Mason (
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Merge for now, without objection to recreate the category when some more articles are available.
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Category:Greek mythology of Illyria
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Support merge: The characters maybe in Greek mythology but Illyrian is a separate culture and civilization itself. For example, there are many deities that span multiple religions and civilizations, and it would not be objective to claim they're proprietary to just one and not another. If the two nominated Categories each had extensive entries I would have recommended keeping the two separate, since what the Ancient Greeks claimed of Illyria and what Illyrians claimed of themselves (or what modern research attributes to Illyrians) are two distinct scopes of topics.
DA1 (
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Delete per Marcocapelle. We're just talking about article
Illyrius here. This character is presently absent from topic articles
Illyrian religion and
Paleo-Balkan mythology, and seems to be an eponymous ancestor assumed by the Greeks and Romans for the Illyrians rather than a deity worshiped by this non-Greek people.
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Category:Films directed by Ray Smallwood
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The result of the discussion was:merge but trout nominator for emptying a category out-of-process.
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Nominator's rationale: I have doubts as to whether this is a
defining category for individuals. Additionally, when I spot-checked several of the individuals for whom this category has been applied, I didn't see anything stating that those individuals are currently sober.
DonIago (
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Delete per nom.
Mason (
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Delete I am generally in favor on categorizing people by medical conditions or personal beliefs. But not on whether they drink alcohol or smoke cigarettes. Who is going to search for that kind of information?
Dimadick (
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Delete per above. Being cured from addiction is interesting, and should be explained in article body. However, People cured from the flu or another disease or condition will not be a good basis for a category.
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Category:Copper Buddha statues
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Nominator's rationale: Upmerge for now. There's only one copper statue in here, which isn't helpful for navigaiton.
Mason (
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Merge for now, without objection to recreate the category when some more articles are available.
Marcocapelle (
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Merge I suspect that we already have more relevant articles on the topic. But the material of the statue has nothing to do with what it depicts. It seems to be a trivial intersection.
Dimadick (
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Strongly disagree with that last bit. But copper statues tend to be regarded as bronze statues, as the
Sultanganj Buddha was for over a century, until an actual analysis was done.
Johnbod (
talk) 17:58, 5 February 2024 (UTC)reply
Probably Merge One day we will probably follow the museums and go to
Category:Copper and copper alloy sculptures, but not yet. The
Spring Temple Buddha in China is actually copper, per the article, but is categorized as bronze. The are probably several more. So that's 2 - is that enough?
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Category:GA-Class vital articles in Biology
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Nominator's rationale: Given the target category literally begins with the title of this page, I am not seeing how this is a useful category redirect? HouseBlaster (
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Rename and purge per precedent.
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