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Oppose, how is this "non-defining"? You didn't even bother giving a proper argument or reasoning for why you think it is.
AHI-3000 (
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Support Per nom. Whether a species is endangered would be defining... for the species. It wouldn't carry over to the character. (Also, it opens a can of worms of conflating fictional species that RESEMBLE real-life endangered species with actually being part of a fictional endangered species).
ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (
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Support per nom
Mason (
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At least remove the subcategories. In fiction, pandas and tigers aren't necessarily endangered species.
Marcocapelle (
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Delete - I fail to see the encyclopedic value of organizing the numerous characters in fiction as to whether their (often also fictional) species is endangered or not.
VegaDark (
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Oppose No rationale given, other than a subjective opinion.
Dimadick (
talk) 06:22, 31 December 2023 (UTC)reply
That's not a good reason for opposing, especially since several comments expanded upon the issue before you posted.
Mason (
talk) 01:01, 8 January 2024 (UTC)reply
The OP didn't give a good reason for deleting either.
AHI-3000 (
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Delete In the case of DC Comics, there are several notable members of the
Martian species, such as the
Martian Manhunter. They don't share much in common with the
Kryptonians, apart from being a humanoid species with superhuman ablities. –
LaundryPizza03 (
dc̄) 23:32, 31 December 2023 (UTC)reply
Delete A fair number of these appear to be the last of their species as a backstory. Backstories of characters prior to their appearance in the main story line doesn't usually seem defining. -
RevelationDirect (
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How is that necessarily "non-defining"? For example,
Superman being one of the last remaining
Kryptonians is certainly a very important and noteworthy trait for him.
AHI-3000 (
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Superman being one of the last remaining members of his species is also a defining character trait for him.
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Delete as non-defining and per Zxcvbnm. HouseBlaster (
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Nominator's rationale:Merge and redirect, deleting parents that will become empty. This hierarchy is
WP:SHAREDNAME, a subset of Sri Lanka's history covering
British Ceylon 1815–1948 and the independent
Dominion of Ceylon 1948–1972. When the categories were created, they were required by the chronology templates, but now those templates will resolve redirects at such category names. –
FayenaticLondon 10:29, 30 December 2023 (UTC)reply
Semi-oppose and propose a different fix. This category tree is a complete mess. I'm semi-opposing this proposal because it isn't completely fixing the issue. There are a few distinct entities here. Instead of placing stuff in a "x in Ceylon" and "x in Sri Lanka" categories, they should be in more precise and correct categories. So anything that belongs to
British Ceylon or
Dominion of Ceylon should be in those categories. Notice that in
Category:British Ceylon, there is not even one correct "yyyy in British Ceylon" category. (feel free to fix my indent level).
Gonnym (
talk) 08:56, 3 January 2024 (UTC)reply
@
Gonnym: please explain why you think it would be better to use longer category names. IMHO it would be unnecessarily specific to use "YYYY in British Ceylon" or "YYYY in the Dominion of Ceylon" – those terms are needed on the articles
British Ceylon and
Dominion of Ceylon to disambiguate those two periods, but I do not see a need for the chronology categories to match the full regime name. The chronology categories capture stuff that happened in one entity, namely the island – in this case matching the territory of a current country – with continuity irrespective of historical regime changes. The only border change was the British subjugation of Kandy, and it would be unnecessarily detailed to reflect that in category names (unlike e.g.
Category:Years in British Malaya which had a more complex history). –
FayenaticLondon 11:26, 6 January 2024 (UTC)reply
Well it depends on how you view things. I think the category should be YYYY in country and not YYYY in island, as that is basically how we do it for most categories. The only times I've seen where we do it like you proposed is when the places have a similar names and then we oddly think it's ok to do that. I don't.
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Support per nom. Sri Lanka is the name of the island as well, so this solution works. –
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Support This is more standard to use the current country name overall and prior names for the specific period where readers are more likely to find the articles they're looking for. I take Gonnym's point that this tree needs work beyond this nomination though. -
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Nominator's rationale: Possibly move to
Category:Persecution of Christian converts in Iran. As far as I'm aware, all those who have been persecuted and included in this category are Christian converts from Muslim families. The proposed category change would probably better reflect their situation IMO.
GnocchiFan (
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Oppose, first of all there is no rationale for deletion, only for renaming. But nowhere else a distinction is being made for converts, there is no
Category:Persecution of Christian converts, so I am not convinced we should make that distinction in Iran. Note that potentially the category may also include persecution of members of the Assyrian Church in Iran who weren't converts.
Marcocapelle (
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Apologies if I put this in the wrong place; this was only for renaming instead of deletion. But I take on board what you say about the Assyrian Church in Iran, although as far as I can tell there is nobody in the category from that denomination (unless I have missed something).
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Oppose. There's no need to narrow the scope of the category and per Marco, no one else makes the distinction for the other categories
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X in fiction XI
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The result of the discussion was:rename all. No prejudice against a future nomination for merging.
(non-admin closure)Qwerfjkltalk 17:50, 15 January 2024 (UTC)reply
Nominator's rationale: Conversion from X in fiction to Fiction about X, as this must be a
defining trait. The Indian diaspora one is a category that needs to be checked that all of the works directly included are actually about Indian diaspora; I recently purged many subcategories that were about works by Indian or Indian-diaspora authors. The subcategories of
Category:Paranormal romance are in response to a comment at
Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2023_December_18#X_in_fiction_II, and have additionally been corrected for proper use of the
en dash. –
LaundryPizza03 (
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Support first one, however I am leaning towards merging the rest into
Category:Paranormal romance as they do not have parent articles that merit such specificity. They would likely fall under
WP:NARROWCAT.
ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (
ᴛ) 17:01, 22 December 2023 (UTC)reply
Insofar kept, suppport rename. I am neutral about the alt merge.
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Support The naming makes it clearer that this has to be defining trait, which is the intent of categories. Not opposed to a potential merge for some of these but that can be better handled in a follow up nom. -
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Category:20th-century executions of Vietnamese people
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Nominator's rationale: No need to diffuse by century. There are only 4 in this category, and 33 in the parent category
Mason (
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Meanwhile there are 18, so size isn't really an issue.
Marcocapelle (
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The total size is what I'm discussing, not the number in just the child category. I don't think there's a need to diffuse by century when there are so few in total.
Mason (
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Fair enough, I will not oppose.
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Category:Films where the director died during filming
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The result of the discussion was:delete. No consensus on whether the categories should be listified; I have listed the category members on
the talk page for anyone who would like to make a list.
(non-admin closure)Qwerfjkltalk 17:41, 15 January 2024 (UTC)reply
Tht is an interesting list but it is very broad? Could we have a more limited one?
Britfilm (
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Is there a more concise way to do it? I think it is interesting categorisation and would be useful.
Britfilm (
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"Is there a more concise way to do it?" Concise way to do what? It may be interesting, but that doesn't mean the category is defining.
Mason (
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It could be too trivial for a list too.
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Listify, seems to be notable per articles in the google search results about films that lost its director.
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Delete Clearly trivial as a category. I'm not convince a list could pass
WP:NLIST so I don't want to make that a condition of this nomination, but no objection if someone wants to try that independently of CFD. -
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The result of the discussion was:merge/delete as nominated. HouseBlaster (
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Nominator's rationale: All nominated categories for merging have just one article. Upmerge the categories and delete some redundant layers that will be empty post-merge. –
Aidan721 (
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Oppose Not all cathedrals are Roman Catholic. Merging will break the navigation purpose of these schemes.
Your opposition makes no sense. I'm merging Roman Catholic cathedrals to Cathedrals AND Roman Catholic churches. In no way did I imply that all Cathedrals are Roman Catholic because obviously they are not. –
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Support per nom. And I agree that the opposition doesn't make sense as the only cathedrals being nominated are ROMAN CATHOLIC.
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Category:Rebellious princes
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Nominator's rationale: I'm not really sure what to do with this category. The category is described as "These princes started a rebellion during the reign of a relative in order to seize the throne for themselves. They should be distinguished from rival princes who waged a war of succession when the ruler had recently died (or was otherwise incapacitated such as being deposed, imprisoned, expelled, fallen seriously ill etc.) and no other ruler had consolidated their reign yet. See also Category:Heirs apparent who never acceded and Category:Usurpers." However this seems hard to define. If it is keep, it should be renamed to "Rebel princes" as otherwise it sounds like a personality trait rather than someone who was a rebel (modeled off of
Category:Rebel slavesMason (
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Rename per nom. I do not think that the category should be deleted or merged, the characteristic is defining enough.
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Nominator's rationale: The vast majority of the categories in here are nationality and continent based. I'm struggling to see how most of these are "culture"
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Category:Novels about Japanese prostitution
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Nominator's rationale: Dual upmerge. There's only one book in here, which is unhelpful for navigation
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Category:Incorrectly assessed comics articles
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Nominator's rationale: Seems to have been removed from the code as it does not appear in
Template:WikiProject Comics. Category removed in
this edit. Sending it here instead of speedy just to make sure there isn't any other use for this.
Gonnym (
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Comment pinging
User:MSGJ, who made the edits in question. Just in case there's something we're missing. - jc37 05:20, 10 January 2024 (UTC)reply
Yes the checklists were removed per
consensus, so this looks in order — Martin (
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Category:Terms in science and technology
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Support Appears to be
WP:NARROWCAT and should probably be members of two categories, science and technology terminology, if necessary.
ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (
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Support per nom.
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Category:Dance in film
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Oppose, this is a topic category, the target is a set category.
Marcocapelle (
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Rename To
Category:Films about dance.
Dance in film and
Dance film both exist. An example of a film that is about dance but not a dance film could be a film about dancers' lives that never actually shows the dances in a major way.
ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (
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Oppose, a film may have a significant dance as one element without being a dance film nor a film about dance.An example would be the zombie dance in
Michael Jackson's Thriller (music video) --
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Support rename per @
Zxcvbnm and keep per others
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Comment. I think that the change would be helpful based on the categories in there. However, this nomination as written is not helpful, nor is the linked discussion closed yet.
Mason (
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Rename per actual content, all subcategories are about spies for the Soviet Union.
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Category:Philately of the Czech republic
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Nominator's rationale: Upmerge as the only page in here isn't really about the history of stamps. Also if kept, it needs to be renamed to Philately of the Czech Republic
Mason (
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Just delete, the article does not belong in the target either.
Marcocapelle (
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Keep: and populate because there another 158 countries in
Category:Philately by country where this sub-category resides and most have several entries. Why throw away just one?
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The article should be purged leaving the category empty unless there are articles that can be added immediately.
Marcocapelle (
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Ok, then I will strike my vote.
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Oppose - Philately in British Palestine is a notable topic on its own right with three articles. If anything it is continued via
Category:Philately of Israel. Nothing to do with the much later Palestinian Authority or State of Palestine created in 1990s and 2010s accordingly.
Category:Philately of Palestine is rather a vague category list, not a category standalone and I'm not sure whether it is useful at all grouping rather unrelated British Palestine and Palestinian Authority.
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Merge for Now per
WP:MFN. No conceptual objection to this category but there is not enough current content to warrant a subcategory and the parent category isn't so large these would be hard to find. If more content appears, by all means reacreate. -
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I don't know if that's a safe assumption given that the category create likes to remove people from the modern nation categories.
Mason (
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Ok that should be sorted out manually then. By the way, I am neutral about the merge as such.
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Support Unbindling some of these will better aid navigation. -
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Nominator's rationale: Same issue with "People from Midtown Manhattan"; these aren't neighborhoods but a collection of neighborhoods within a city. The people in this category area either in the subcategories (which are in
Category:People from Los Angeles by district or neighborhood or are in
Category:People from Los Angeles by occupation. I've removed several articles because they were either not from this region or there was no verification of them having lived there.
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@
Marcocapelle, for a consensus, do you agree with nomination? And just to add, I checked and the Actors from San Fernando Valley are also in appropriate subcats so I've changed that to "delete" as well.
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Category:Sexuality in the Nordic countries
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19th-century Saudi Arabian people
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The result of the discussion was:rename to Category:19th-century FOO from Ottoman Arabia (with redirects).
(non-admin closure)HouseBlaster (
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Nominator's rationale:Rename and redirect as anachronistic. The suggested target names follow the article
Ottoman Arabia. The current names could all be redirected to aid navigation from C20 categories. –
FayenaticLondon 15:54, 7 January 2024 (UTC)reply
Support in principle, these are anachronistic categories. But I agree with Mason on the usage of "from".
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Saudi Arabia before 1925
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Support, solves two problems in one go, anachronism (Saudi Arabia did not exist yet) and poorly populated year categories.
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Category:Prussian people by occupation and century
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Nominator's rationale: Upmerge for now. There's only one category in here, which is unhelpful for navigation
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Category:Expatriates from Newfoundland Colony in the United States
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Category:French expatriates in pre-Confederation Canada
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Nominator's rationale: Upmerge for now. There's only one person in here, which is unhelpful for navigation. The missionary is already in a more specific category
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Category:21st-century monks by nationality
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Nominator's rationale: Upmerge for now. There's only one category in here, which is unhelpful for navigation
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Category:Highland Views Athletic Club football seasons
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Merge per Marco. –
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Category:Christians of the Children's Crusade
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Nominator's rationale: Two issues with this category: 1°) none of the real or fictional events described as
Children's Crusade ever reached Muslim lands, so Christians is self-implied and 2°) the lone article currently in the category,
Philip II of France, is only remotely related to such events, which are not mentioned on that article at all.
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Category:Sexuality in early Germanic culture
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Nominator's rationale: Only one article,
Nīþ, which is not even really about sexuality. It is about social stigma associated with, by order of importance as developed in the article: crime, witchcraft, disability and "effeminacy".
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Support per nom
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The result of the discussion was:triple merge as nominated with no prejudice against recreation if the category can be appropriately populated.
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Category:Pocasset, Massachusetts
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Oppose, how is this "non-defining"? You didn't even bother giving a proper argument or reasoning for why you think it is.
AHI-3000 (
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Support Per nom. Whether a species is endangered would be defining... for the species. It wouldn't carry over to the character. (Also, it opens a can of worms of conflating fictional species that RESEMBLE real-life endangered species with actually being part of a fictional endangered species).
ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (
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Support per nom
Mason (
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At least remove the subcategories. In fiction, pandas and tigers aren't necessarily endangered species.
Marcocapelle (
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Delete - I fail to see the encyclopedic value of organizing the numerous characters in fiction as to whether their (often also fictional) species is endangered or not.
VegaDark (
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Oppose No rationale given, other than a subjective opinion.
Dimadick (
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That's not a good reason for opposing, especially since several comments expanded upon the issue before you posted.
Mason (
talk) 01:01, 8 January 2024 (UTC)reply
The OP didn't give a good reason for deleting either.
AHI-3000 (
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Delete In the case of DC Comics, there are several notable members of the
Martian species, such as the
Martian Manhunter. They don't share much in common with the
Kryptonians, apart from being a humanoid species with superhuman ablities. –
LaundryPizza03 (
dc̄) 23:32, 31 December 2023 (UTC)reply
Delete A fair number of these appear to be the last of their species as a backstory. Backstories of characters prior to their appearance in the main story line doesn't usually seem defining. -
RevelationDirect (
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How is that necessarily "non-defining"? For example,
Superman being one of the last remaining
Kryptonians is certainly a very important and noteworthy trait for him.
AHI-3000 (
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Superman being one of the last remaining members of his species is also a defining character trait for him.
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Delete as non-defining and per Zxcvbnm. HouseBlaster (
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Nominator's rationale:Merge and redirect, deleting parents that will become empty. This hierarchy is
WP:SHAREDNAME, a subset of Sri Lanka's history covering
British Ceylon 1815–1948 and the independent
Dominion of Ceylon 1948–1972. When the categories were created, they were required by the chronology templates, but now those templates will resolve redirects at such category names. –
FayenaticLondon 10:29, 30 December 2023 (UTC)reply
Semi-oppose and propose a different fix. This category tree is a complete mess. I'm semi-opposing this proposal because it isn't completely fixing the issue. There are a few distinct entities here. Instead of placing stuff in a "x in Ceylon" and "x in Sri Lanka" categories, they should be in more precise and correct categories. So anything that belongs to
British Ceylon or
Dominion of Ceylon should be in those categories. Notice that in
Category:British Ceylon, there is not even one correct "yyyy in British Ceylon" category. (feel free to fix my indent level).
Gonnym (
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@
Gonnym: please explain why you think it would be better to use longer category names. IMHO it would be unnecessarily specific to use "YYYY in British Ceylon" or "YYYY in the Dominion of Ceylon" – those terms are needed on the articles
British Ceylon and
Dominion of Ceylon to disambiguate those two periods, but I do not see a need for the chronology categories to match the full regime name. The chronology categories capture stuff that happened in one entity, namely the island – in this case matching the territory of a current country – with continuity irrespective of historical regime changes. The only border change was the British subjugation of Kandy, and it would be unnecessarily detailed to reflect that in category names (unlike e.g.
Category:Years in British Malaya which had a more complex history). –
FayenaticLondon 11:26, 6 January 2024 (UTC)reply
Well it depends on how you view things. I think the category should be YYYY in country and not YYYY in island, as that is basically how we do it for most categories. The only times I've seen where we do it like you proposed is when the places have a similar names and then we oddly think it's ok to do that. I don't.
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Qwerfjkltalk 20:36, 7 January 2024 (UTC)reply
Support per nom. Sri Lanka is the name of the island as well, so this solution works. –
Aidan721 (
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Support This is more standard to use the current country name overall and prior names for the specific period where readers are more likely to find the articles they're looking for. I take Gonnym's point that this tree needs work beyond this nomination though. -
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Nominator's rationale: Possibly move to
Category:Persecution of Christian converts in Iran. As far as I'm aware, all those who have been persecuted and included in this category are Christian converts from Muslim families. The proposed category change would probably better reflect their situation IMO.
GnocchiFan (
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Oppose, first of all there is no rationale for deletion, only for renaming. But nowhere else a distinction is being made for converts, there is no
Category:Persecution of Christian converts, so I am not convinced we should make that distinction in Iran. Note that potentially the category may also include persecution of members of the Assyrian Church in Iran who weren't converts.
Marcocapelle (
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Apologies if I put this in the wrong place; this was only for renaming instead of deletion. But I take on board what you say about the Assyrian Church in Iran, although as far as I can tell there is nobody in the category from that denomination (unless I have missed something).
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Oppose. There's no need to narrow the scope of the category and per Marco, no one else makes the distinction for the other categories
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X in fiction XI
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The result of the discussion was:rename all. No prejudice against a future nomination for merging.
(non-admin closure)Qwerfjkltalk 17:50, 15 January 2024 (UTC)reply
Nominator's rationale: Conversion from X in fiction to Fiction about X, as this must be a
defining trait. The Indian diaspora one is a category that needs to be checked that all of the works directly included are actually about Indian diaspora; I recently purged many subcategories that were about works by Indian or Indian-diaspora authors. The subcategories of
Category:Paranormal romance are in response to a comment at
Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2023_December_18#X_in_fiction_II, and have additionally been corrected for proper use of the
en dash. –
LaundryPizza03 (
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Support first one, however I am leaning towards merging the rest into
Category:Paranormal romance as they do not have parent articles that merit such specificity. They would likely fall under
WP:NARROWCAT.
ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (
ᴛ) 17:01, 22 December 2023 (UTC)reply
Insofar kept, suppport rename. I am neutral about the alt merge.
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Support The naming makes it clearer that this has to be defining trait, which is the intent of categories. Not opposed to a potential merge for some of these but that can be better handled in a follow up nom. -
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Category:20th-century executions of Vietnamese people
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Nominator's rationale: No need to diffuse by century. There are only 4 in this category, and 33 in the parent category
Mason (
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Meanwhile there are 18, so size isn't really an issue.
Marcocapelle (
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The total size is what I'm discussing, not the number in just the child category. I don't think there's a need to diffuse by century when there are so few in total.
Mason (
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Fair enough, I will not oppose.
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Category:Films where the director died during filming
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The result of the discussion was:delete. No consensus on whether the categories should be listified; I have listed the category members on
the talk page for anyone who would like to make a list.
(non-admin closure)Qwerfjkltalk 17:41, 15 January 2024 (UTC)reply
Tht is an interesting list but it is very broad? Could we have a more limited one?
Britfilm (
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Is there a more concise way to do it? I think it is interesting categorisation and would be useful.
Britfilm (
talk) 15:37, 22 December 2023 (UTC)reply
"Is there a more concise way to do it?" Concise way to do what? It may be interesting, but that doesn't mean the category is defining.
Mason (
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It could be too trivial for a list too.
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Listify, seems to be notable per articles in the google search results about films that lost its director.
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Delete Clearly trivial as a category. I'm not convince a list could pass
WP:NLIST so I don't want to make that a condition of this nomination, but no objection if someone wants to try that independently of CFD. -
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The result of the discussion was:merge/delete as nominated. HouseBlaster (
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Nominator's rationale: All nominated categories for merging have just one article. Upmerge the categories and delete some redundant layers that will be empty post-merge. –
Aidan721 (
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Oppose Not all cathedrals are Roman Catholic. Merging will break the navigation purpose of these schemes.
Your opposition makes no sense. I'm merging Roman Catholic cathedrals to Cathedrals AND Roman Catholic churches. In no way did I imply that all Cathedrals are Roman Catholic because obviously they are not. –
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Support per nom. And I agree that the opposition doesn't make sense as the only cathedrals being nominated are ROMAN CATHOLIC.
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Category:Rebellious princes
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Nominator's rationale: I'm not really sure what to do with this category. The category is described as "These princes started a rebellion during the reign of a relative in order to seize the throne for themselves. They should be distinguished from rival princes who waged a war of succession when the ruler had recently died (or was otherwise incapacitated such as being deposed, imprisoned, expelled, fallen seriously ill etc.) and no other ruler had consolidated their reign yet. See also Category:Heirs apparent who never acceded and Category:Usurpers." However this seems hard to define. If it is keep, it should be renamed to "Rebel princes" as otherwise it sounds like a personality trait rather than someone who was a rebel (modeled off of
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Rename per nom. I do not think that the category should be deleted or merged, the characteristic is defining enough.
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Nominator's rationale: The vast majority of the categories in here are nationality and continent based. I'm struggling to see how most of these are "culture"
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Category:Novels about Japanese prostitution
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Nominator's rationale: Dual upmerge. There's only one book in here, which is unhelpful for navigation
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Category:Incorrectly assessed comics articles
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Nominator's rationale: Seems to have been removed from the code as it does not appear in
Template:WikiProject Comics. Category removed in
this edit. Sending it here instead of speedy just to make sure there isn't any other use for this.
Gonnym (
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Comment pinging
User:MSGJ, who made the edits in question. Just in case there's something we're missing. - jc37 05:20, 10 January 2024 (UTC)reply
Yes the checklists were removed per
consensus, so this looks in order — Martin (
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Category:Terms in science and technology
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Support Appears to be
WP:NARROWCAT and should probably be members of two categories, science and technology terminology, if necessary.
ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (
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Support per nom.
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Category:Dance in film
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Oppose, this is a topic category, the target is a set category.
Marcocapelle (
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Rename To
Category:Films about dance.
Dance in film and
Dance film both exist. An example of a film that is about dance but not a dance film could be a film about dancers' lives that never actually shows the dances in a major way.
ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (
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Oppose, a film may have a significant dance as one element without being a dance film nor a film about dance.An example would be the zombie dance in
Michael Jackson's Thriller (music video) --
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Support rename per @
Zxcvbnm and keep per others
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Category:Criminal law video games
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Category:Soviet spies by nationality
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Comment. I think that the change would be helpful based on the categories in there. However, this nomination as written is not helpful, nor is the linked discussion closed yet.
Mason (
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Rename per actual content, all subcategories are about spies for the Soviet Union.
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Category:Wrongful convictions in fiction
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Category:Philately of the Czech republic
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Nominator's rationale: Upmerge as the only page in here isn't really about the history of stamps. Also if kept, it needs to be renamed to Philately of the Czech Republic
Mason (
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Just delete, the article does not belong in the target either.
Marcocapelle (
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Keep: and populate because there another 158 countries in
Category:Philately by country where this sub-category resides and most have several entries. Why throw away just one?
ww2censor (
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The article should be purged leaving the category empty unless there are articles that can be added immediately.
Marcocapelle (
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Ok, then I will strike my vote.
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Category:Philately of Mandatory Palestine
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Oppose - Philately in British Palestine is a notable topic on its own right with three articles. If anything it is continued via
Category:Philately of Israel. Nothing to do with the much later Palestinian Authority or State of Palestine created in 1990s and 2010s accordingly.
Category:Philately of Palestine is rather a vague category list, not a category standalone and I'm not sure whether it is useful at all grouping rather unrelated British Palestine and Palestinian Authority.
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Merge for Now per
WP:MFN. No conceptual objection to this category but there is not enough current content to warrant a subcategory and the parent category isn't so large these would be hard to find. If more content appears, by all means reacreate. -
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Category:Engineers from the Colony of New South Wales
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I don't know if that's a safe assumption given that the category create likes to remove people from the modern nation categories.
Mason (
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Ok that should be sorted out manually then. By the way, I am neutral about the merge as such.
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Support Unbindling some of these will better aid navigation. -
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Category:People from Los Angeles
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Nominator's rationale: Same issue with "People from Midtown Manhattan"; these aren't neighborhoods but a collection of neighborhoods within a city. The people in this category area either in the subcategories (which are in
Category:People from Los Angeles by district or neighborhood or are in
Category:People from Los Angeles by occupation. I've removed several articles because they were either not from this region or there was no verification of them having lived there.
Omnis Scientia (
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@
Marcocapelle, for a consensus, do you agree with nomination? And just to add, I checked and the Actors from San Fernando Valley are also in appropriate subcats so I've changed that to "delete" as well.
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Category:Sexuality in the Nordic countries
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19th-century Saudi Arabian people
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The result of the discussion was:rename to Category:19th-century FOO from Ottoman Arabia (with redirects).
(non-admin closure)HouseBlaster (
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Nominator's rationale:Rename and redirect as anachronistic. The suggested target names follow the article
Ottoman Arabia. The current names could all be redirected to aid navigation from C20 categories. –
FayenaticLondon 15:54, 7 January 2024 (UTC)reply
Support in principle, these are anachronistic categories. But I agree with Mason on the usage of "from".
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Saudi Arabia before 1925
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Support, solves two problems in one go, anachronism (Saudi Arabia did not exist yet) and poorly populated year categories.
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Category:Prussian people by occupation and century
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Nominator's rationale: Upmerge for now. There's only one category in here, which is unhelpful for navigation
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Category:Expatriates from Newfoundland Colony in the United States
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Category:French expatriates in pre-Confederation Canada
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Nominator's rationale: Upmerge for now. There's only one person in here, which is unhelpful for navigation. The missionary is already in a more specific category
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Category:21st-century monks by nationality
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Nominator's rationale: Upmerge for now. There's only one category in here, which is unhelpful for navigation
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Category:Highland Views Athletic Club football seasons
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Merge per Marco. –
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Category:Christians of the Children's Crusade
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Nominator's rationale: Two issues with this category: 1°) none of the real or fictional events described as
Children's Crusade ever reached Muslim lands, so Christians is self-implied and 2°) the lone article currently in the category,
Philip II of France, is only remotely related to such events, which are not mentioned on that article at all.
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Category:Sexuality in early Germanic culture
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Nominator's rationale: Only one article,
Nīþ, which is not even really about sexuality. It is about social stigma associated with, by order of importance as developed in the article: crime, witchcraft, disability and "effeminacy".
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Support per nom
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