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The result was delete. ✗ plicit 00:01, 9 January 2022 (UTC) reply

James Ogoo

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I don't believe this player meets GNG or NFOOTY. Although his article reports international caps for Gambia, backed up by a BBC interview with him^[1], there's no record of him ever playing internationally. Indeed, he claims to have played for his country against Liberia in 2000 but the countries did not meet in that year^[2]. This leads me to believe he either lied to the interviewer about his international career, or he represented his country only in non-official games.

As he never played professionally and has received little coverage outside a one-time interview, I don't think he's notable. MarchOfTheGreyhounds ( talk) 22:23, 1 January 2022 (UTC) reply

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Comment - Nothing found in National Football Teams Spiderone^{(Talk to Spider)} 08:49, 2 January 2022 (UTC) reply
Delete - does not appear to be a Gambia international (see this) and has no significant coverage, so fails GNG and NFOOTBALL. Giant Snowman 22:09, 2 January 2022 (UTC) reply
Delete: While no NFT hits could have stemmed from a misspelling of the name, the club where he would have played during his alleged international stint, is found here - and it did not have any international player in any team before Patrece Liburd. Geschichte ( talk) 18:27, 3 January 2022 (UTC) reply

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The result was delete. ✗ plicit 00:03, 9 January 2022 (UTC) reply

Robert Model

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This businessman doen't appear to pass WP:ANYBIO, with neither his business activities nor his family connections sufficient claims of notability. The closest thing to significant coverage I could find is this short article about his wedding, but it reads like routine coverage of a high society wedding and provides very little information on the subject himself. Lennart97 ( talk) 19:28, 1 January 2022 (UTC) reply

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Comment because of his business positions he can be notable but I can't find any SIGCOV in RS. Also his last name (Model), is the reason of not finding any SIGCOV. If others find significant coverage, my idea is Keep, otherwise Delete. Brayan ocaner ( talk) 22:16, 1 January 2022 (UTC) reply
Delete. I don't think any of his business positions make him particularly notable. I'm also struggling to find much significant coverage of his business achievements. However, I did find a bit more info on him, which may help others in making a decision.^[1]^[2]^[3] The CBS article could go some way to providing notability, but for me it's not quite enough. MarchOfTheGreyhounds ( talk) 11:47, 3 January 2022 (UTC) reply

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Thank you for locating these sources. I agree with your assessment that they don't quite constitute significant coverage but they're definitely useful. Lennart97 ( talk) 12:24, 3 January 2022 (UTC) reply

Delete Google books and newspapers.com didn't return any hits. Surely a significant past figure, should have something in these sources. MartinWilder ( talk) 03:19, 4 January 2022 (UTC) reply

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The result was delete. ♠ PMC♠ (talk) 07:51, 8 January 2022 (UTC) reply

Nate James (fighter)

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Fails WP:GNG as his main coverage is through routine sporting report. James is in his 40s, has not fought in 7 years. Very unlikely to meet GNG in the future. WP:CRYSTALBALL ♡RAFAEL♡^(
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Delete per nom. Can't find any significant coverage and we're unlikely to see any in the near future. MarchOfTheGreyhounds ( talk) 11:52, 3 January 2022 (UTC) reply
Delete Lacks the significant independent coverage to meet WP:GNG. I'm not sure he even meets WP:NMMA since Strikeforce Challengers was a offshoot TV promotion for "young and upcoming" fighters. Papaursa ( talk) 20:53, 5 January 2022 (UTC) reply

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The result was delete. ♠ PMC♠ (talk) 07:52, 8 January 2022 (UTC) reply

Grace Barraza-Vega

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The sources do no show that this artists meets our notability criteria

issuu.com Issuu is a publishing platform, this magazine, Lanetaneta looks self-published, but it's hard to tell because there is no colophon or information about its editor or even an ISSN.
www.mysoutex.com is about one of her students, not her.
prayersfromla.org does not mention Barraza-Vega
www.mysanantonio.com has single sentence about her which is partly a quote: 'The border and Latino culture play a prominent role in "New Arte Nuevo," notably in works such "El Vato Louie" by Corpus Christi artist Grace Barraza-Vega, who calls her paintings "records of my life," adding, "I am a product of Mestizo culture." '
www.youtube.com is a self-published video of her MFA exhibition
chimmayaart.com lists her under Exhibiting Artists, but has nothing about her
patch.com is an announcement, that lists her under Participating Artists
prayersfromla.org is a catalogue of a project that Barraza-Vega helped organize, not independent coverage.
feliciamontes.wordpress.com is a blog
amigos805.com mentioned as "The exhibition features artists ..., Grace Barraza-Vega, ..."
www.alborde.com is a press release
kspacecontemporary.org is a dead link
expressionsgraphics.wordpress.com is a blog post about a juried art show where Barraza-Vega had an entry.

In summary, there is no significant coverage of the subject in independent, reliable sources and none of the subject-specific notability criteria for artists are met. Vexations ( talk) 18:36, 1 January 2022 (UTC) reply

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Delete - another artist article by a student editor that does not meet our notability criteria per WP:GNG nor WP:ARTIST. I guess the way these Wiki-Edu projects work is that the students can bypass AfC, and are instructed to move the articles directly to article space and bypass the review process? It's a mystery to me.... Netherzone ( talk) 19:28, 1 January 2022 (UTC) reply
Perhaps LiAnna (Wiki Ed) can clarify this? As a reviewer for NPP, I'm often left with no one to talk to. By the time the article reaches mainspace and gets reviewed, the students have usually already left. Editor retention is zero. NPP has a sizeable backlog. We're approaching 10,000 articles, and it can take months before an article is reviewed. That causes a complete breakdown in communication. I have never heard back from an instructor, so I don't know if they're even aware of what gets deleted and why. The students are often required to do a peer review, but those seem to be done without any idea of what we require. Vexations ( talk) 20:13, 1 January 2022 (UTC) reply
We used to send students through AfC but the backlog there was so large that articles didn't get looked at until after the end of the term, and you're right many students stop responding at that point. We at Wiki Education try to look at the new articles to ensure they meet notability; I did personally glance at this one but I didn't dig deeper into the particular sources, just noted there seemed to be many of them so assumed it passed notability. Feel free to move it to draft space. We've already noted to discuss notability with this professor before they teach with Wikipedia again. -- LiAnna (Wiki Ed) ( talk) 18:56, 3 January 2022 (UTC) reply
Delete - per the exhaustive research of the nominator. Another example of student work that (as noted) gets finished by the end of the semester and then left to the over-burdened review system to clean-up. What is the job description of (Wiki Ed) anyway? WomenArtistUpdates ( talk) 20:18, 2 January 2022 (UTC) reply
Delete The article clearly does not meet notability guidelines. I have to admit I think it would be a much better process to limit these students to working on existing articles that need expansion and editing then to send them to create new articles. I also think we should definitely go back to having these articles go through the actual AfC process. I also think we should require all articles to go through the AfC process. Yes it is long, but it is better than what we sometimes get in the current system, which is undersourced articles on non-notable people and even on rare occasions outright hoaxes lasting for over a decade. John Pack Lambert ( talk) 13:32, 4 January 2022 (UTC) reply
Delete, with regrets. I was hoping someone would turn something else up during this AfD, but it doesn't look like anyone has or will. Sad to see yet another student article from this class go, but the sourcing doesn't hold up and the subject doesn't appear to pass notability guidelines. -- asilvering ( talk) 16:19, 6 January 2022 (UTC) reply
Delete fails WP:GNG -- Devokewater ^(talk) 21:25, 7 January 2022 (UTC) reply

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The result was delete. ♠ PMC♠ (talk) 07:52, 8 January 2022 (UTC) reply

List of maiden voyages

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What is the point of this article? every craft has a maiden voyage so it will just end up a list of all known ships and planes. Murgatroyd49 ( talk) 15:10, 29 December 2021 (UTC) reply

Keep. I think pointing out notable maiden voyages, especially notable losses on the maiden voyage of a vessel, is valuable. Maybe the name should be changed? -- Nomentz ( talk) 16:03, 29 December 2021 (UTC) reply

(For easier reference, here's the old deletion discussion.)-- Nomentz ( talk) 16:09, 29 December 2021 (UTC) reply

Delete It is moribund to the point that no one has been bothered to add the most famous maiden voyage loss of all. There is already a category for such articles. Murgatroyd49 ( talk) 16:18, 29 December 2021 (UTC) reply

Which voyage would that be? And why didn't you add it if it's missing? But a parallel category seems superfluous; so are you suggesting to replace appearance in the list by adding to the category? -- Nomentz ( talk) 16:28, 29 December 2021 (UTC) reply

Yes, that is a humongous, gargantuan oversight. Clarityfiend ( talk) 12:04, 2 January 2022 (UTC) reply

Delete Every ship has a maiden voyage Lyndaship ( talk) 13:42, 30 December 2021 (UTC) reply

Delete per nom and WP:INDISCRIMINATE. The topic is so broad that a reasonably complete list will be neither manageable, readable nor useful. Such a list would only be manageable if it's split it up into numerous different lists by subcategory (e.g. 18th century schooners, Royal Navy destroyers, rigid airships, jet airliners, etc.) Carguychris ( talk) 13:57, 30 December 2021 (UTC) reply
Delete - this seems to be duplicating {{ Maiden voyage sinkings}}. Mjroots ( talk) 17:28, 1 January 2022 (UTC) reply
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Comment: Was there a previous AfD for this? This is at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of maiden voyages (2nd nomination) but I cannot find Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of maiden voyages. Does it exist? snood 1205 02:23, 2 January 2022 (UTC) (Answer was linked above, comment struck snood 1205 03:53, 2 January 2022 (UTC)) reply

Delete - maybe have a separate page for "Notable Maiden Voyages" such as the Titanic which sunk. I agree partially with User:Nomentz and User:Mjroots PatrickChiao ( talk) 02:32, 2 January 2022 (UTC) reply

Delete as per nomination. While the ships listed are notable, creating a list of maiden voyages is superfluous. TH1980 ( talk) 02:41, 2 January 2022 (UTC) reply
Delete - As mentioned, all ships have a maiden voyage. May be replace with a new page about "Ships lost during maiden voyage" or "Notable maiden voyages"(which would probably be an interesting page) Deathlibrarian ( talk) 02:55, 4 January 2022 (UTC) reply
Delete. This isn't a list of maiden voyages. It's a list of ships and the year they first went to sea. Ajf773 ( talk) 01:26, 7 January 2022 (UTC) reply
Delete per nomination. — Joeyconnick ( talk) 20:23, 7 January 2022 (UTC) reply
Delete per nom -- Devokewater ^(talk) 21:23, 7 January 2022 (UTC) reply

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The result was keep. Asides my !vote to delete, The consensus from the participants is clearly to keep the article, since all !votes weren’t necessarily to keep the article, the nominator cannot unilaterally close this as a speedy keep. They have withdrawn this nomination thus I am moving to close this. (non-admin closure) Celestina007 ( talk) 23:54, 4 January 2022 (UTC) reply

Caryma Sa'd

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The subject of this article is a Canadian lawyer who, in addition to doing what lawyers do and receiving mention in the press as a result, is also a comic artist. I don't think that suffices to be a notable lawyer. Looking at Category:21st-century_Canadian_lawyers she seems a bit out of place. I'm also not so sure that she meets the threshold of notability per WP:NARTIST. She "published cartoons", according to the article, but "published" here seems to mean self-published on Twitter. What's the consensus here: Is the coverage sufficient to meet the WP:GNG? Vexations ( talk) 17:34, 1 January 2022 (UTC) reply

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Keep Hi, (I created the article). As you might expect, I think we should keep this article. I submitted it through the AfC process @ User:ThadeusOfNazereth was the reviewer and they approved it. More importantly, she meets the general notability criteria on the basis of articles written about her in the Toronto Star, the CBC, and Canada's National Observer. And just in simple real life, she is notable, she's in the news all the time for documenting the lock down protests. I find the line "in addition to doing what lawyers do and receiving mention in the press as a result" strange, because yes lawyers are likely to get in the press for lawyering just like footballers got in the news for kicking a ball and Madonna got in the news for singing, that doesn't discount the coverage in any way with regards to the notability requirements. CT55555 ( talk) 20:04, 1 January 2022 (UTC) reply
Weird as it may seem, we don't really pay attention to real life, only to what independent, reliable (secondary) sources say. As for the CBC, she does get a mention like "The clip was captured by Toronto lawyer Caryma Sa'd, who has become a mainstay at such protests this summer, documenting them and sharing them online" in [1], but that's not really significant coverage. As far as I can tell, the only articles that are actually about her are [2], [3] and perhaps [4], although that's mopre about the case of Michael Storms. If the consensus is that that is sufficient to establish notability, I'll gladly accept that. Vexations ( talk) 21:43, 1 January 2022 (UTC) reply

Comment — @ Vexations I found it amusing that WP:SIGCOV is also noted as to why the subject is not suited for mainspace just yet, as I used a similar argument when I opened an AFD on one of the article created by this editor, One of the most imperative arguments made by the article creator is that the article in question was approved at AFC, my thinking is the AFC perm has a rather low threshold for issuance, thus editors who aren’t well grounded in policy on notability get this pseudo perm and since they aren’t well grounded in notability criteria areas they tend to accept non notable articles. Celestina007 ( talk) 00:59, 2 January 2022 (UTC) reply
The purpose of AfC is to identify which submissions will be deleted and which won't. Articles that will probably survive a listing at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion should be accepted. I think what we have here is the result of blindly applying a "rule" that reflects praxis. Collectively, we have found that most notable subjects have at least two newspaper articles about them. That then became a test; if there are two newspaper articles, we presume that the subject is notable. That's backwards, and a little too easy for my taste. There is only one group of lawyers that has consistently been found notable; members of the supreme court. This is a young lawyer without a brief career who has received coverage in local newspapers. Do we want to apply the rule that "two is a pass" or do we want to think a bit more carefully about what that means. Vexations ( talk) 12:19, 2 January 2022 (UTC) reply

A small, but important detail: in response to the comment that she's only in local newspapers, that's incorrect. Despite the name, Toronto Star is not a local newspaper, it's Canada's #2 newspaper by circulation I also would challenge that Canada's National Observer is local, likewise the CBC and CTV - most of the sources are national. CT55555 ( talk) 21:21, 2 January 2022 (UTC) reply

The Toronto Star is a local newspaper wen it reports on local issues. They have special sections for regional news. The CBC reports local news at https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/toronto CTV, and https://toronto.ctvnews.ca/ is regional news. Vexations ( talk) 22:44, 2 January 2022 (UTC) reply

There are two major national newspapers in Canada, National Post and The Globe and Mail Vexations ( talk) 22:48, 2 January 2022 (UTC) reply

Delete — WP:SIGCOV is not met. Celestina007 ( talk) 00:59, 2 January 2022 (UTC) reply
Celestina007 The clear consensus is that Sa'd is notable. I'd speedily close as a Keep by withdrawal, but can't do that id there is no unanimity. Can you agree to a close as keep? There is a WP:SNOW chance this gets deleted. Thanks, Vexations ( talk) 23:34, 4 January 2022 (UTC) reply

@ Vexations, Alright mate, If I’m interpreting this correctly you want me to close this as a keep and give a well thought detailed rationale for doing so? Alright consider it done. Celestina007 ( talk) 23:46, 4 January 2022 (UTC) reply

Keep The Carruthers and Leck sources both provide significant coverage of this person. Pam D 08:26, 2 January 2022 (UTC) reply
Keep, well sourced. Randy Kryn ( talk) 15:05, 2 January 2022 (UTC) reply
Comment since I was the AfC reviewer, I'll refrain from voting, but the sources that were instrumental in my acceptance were Leck, Gibson, and Jerome, with the other sources further supplementing that Sa'd had notability and (in my eyes) making up for the weaker coverage in Gibson and Jerome compared to Leck. Looking at the article as it is now, I would add Dimatteo and possibly Miller/ Gamage as good sources. In my eyes, she meets WP:GNG. ThadeusOfNazereth^{Talk to Me!} 15:52, 3 January 2022 (UTC) reply
I don't think you should refrain from !voting and the acceptance at AfC appears to have been done in accordance with policy and established consensus. I'd like to hear why (for example) Miller's article in BLogTO is a "good source" though. It's mostly quotes of paraphrasing of what Sa'd said. (I count six instances of "she said"). Vexations ( talk) 17:13, 3 January 2022 (UTC) reply
Keep, meets WP:GNG. MartinWilder ( talk) 03:20, 4 January 2022 (UTC) reply

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The result was keep and rename. A couple of options below were thrown about, but nothing concrete reached. I will leave to normal editorial processes to execute said move (either via being bold and just doing it, or a requested move) once a target is pinpointed. Daniel ( talk) 13:16, 9 January 2022 (UTC) reply

2350 BC Middle East Anomaly

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The source is published by British Archaeological Reports [5] which should mean its reputable, but as it is a collection of papers from the Second Society for Interdisciplinary Studies Cambridge Conference, and SIS is a Velikovskian group [6] I'm pretty dubious. I don't see the term used in mainstream publications or at least when it is with a reference to the SIS report, and I'm not convinced it's used in mainstream academia. For instance, Third Millennium BC Climate Change and Old World Collapse doesn't seem to mention it. Doug Weller talk 16:59, 1 January 2022 (UTC) reply

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Redirect to Umm al Binni lake. From what I can gather (although not exactly an in-depth look) this is one hypothesis about the origin of this structure, but not the most likely one. So worth mention but not a standalone article. After recent edits the target article now seems to do a good job of laying out the discourse. -- Elmidae ( talk · contribs) 17:50, 1 January 2022 (UTC) reply

The below comments make a good case that this should not be a simple redirect. I like Paul H.'s approach of refocusing the article on the parent topic (as it were). -- Elmidae ( talk · contribs) 23:08, 1 January 2022 (UTC) reply

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~~Comment~~. ~~Delete~~. In my opinion, the evidence is mixed. I do not see the failure to include it in the 1994 volume cited above as suspicious as it appears to be an idea which has emerged since then. The 1998 volume and its lead editor, Peiser, are fringe, see [7]. However, the author of the 1998 article, Courty, does not seem fringe. His name gets 49 hits in the 1994 volume. I do not think that the idea is fringe, although it appears to have received some fringe support. A source which supports a climate anomaly at 2350 BC but not specifically Middle East, which is an RS so far as I can judge, is Why we shouldn’t ignore the mid-24th century BC when discussing the 2200-2000 BC climate anomaly. However, a single source is not sufficient for notability, so I would not at present oppose deletion. Further evidence may well emerge to justify an article with a title such as Mid-24th century BCE climate anomaly.

The redirect to Umm al Binni lake is not helpful to readers. It now mentions 2350 but just cites the 1998 article and a google search, neither of which are reliable sources. The mention of the lake is in any case just a peripheral speculation about a possible site which for some reason seems to be wrongly regarded by some editors as the main topic of the article. Dudley Miles ( talk) 18:16, 1 January 2022 (UTC) reply

Redirect/merge to Umm al Binni lake. Johnbod ( talk) 19:13, 1 January 2022 (UTC) reply

Why? The best source I can find on the anomaly at [8] does not mention Umm al Binni lake and is mainly on Irish tree rings. Dudley Miles ( talk) 19:32, 1 January 2022 (UTC) reply

why also? None of the sources that I consulted mention Umm al Binni lake. Paul H. ( talk) 20:01, 1 January 2022 (UTC) reply

Rename - Revise. ~~Delete~~. This article conflates two different hypothesis. The first hypothesis is about a climate anomaly about 4,200 BP (2,200 BC). This hypothesis is discussed by several peer-reviewed publications (papers and at least one book chapter). The second and final hypothesis is that this climate anomaly was caused by an extrerrestrial impact. The second hypothesis involves Dr. Marie-Agnes Courty arguing that a dust layer accumulated across the Middle East “...after а disruption of sшfaсе soils, possibly caused by а shock wave well-documented in archaeological sites...” There are published papers and book chapters about this hypothesis by Dr. Marie-Agnes Courty and proponents of coherent catastrophism, e.g. W. Bruce Masse, Mike Baillie and others. I suggest that the article and possibly title be revised to focus on the climate anomaly with only a brief mention of the impact hypothesis as only one of various hypotheses proposed to explain the climate anomaly without giving it undue weight.

The references that I found for both are:

1. References for the 4,200 BP / 4.2 ka Climate Anomaly / 4.2 ka Megadrought

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Baillie, M. and McAneney, J., 2015. Why we should not ignore the mid-24th century bc when discussing the 2200–2000 BC climate anomaly. 2200 BC—Ein Klimasturz als Ursache für den Zerfall der Alten Welt? 2200 BC—A Climatic Breakdown as a Cause for the Collapse of the Old World, pp.23-26.

Carolin, S.A., Walker, R.T., Day, C.C., Ersek, V., Sloan, R.A., Dee, M.W., Talebian, M. and Henderson, G.M., 2019. Precise timing of abrupt increase in dust activity in the Middle East coincident with 4.2 ka social change. Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences, 116(1), pp.67-72.

Cookson, E., Hill, D.J. and Lawrence, D., 2019. Impacts of long term climate change during the collapse of the Akkadian Empire. Journal of Archaeological Science, 106, pp.1-9.

Weiss, H., 2016. Global megadrought, societal collapse and resilience at 4.2–3.9 ka BP across the Mediterranean and west Asia. PAGES, 24(2), pp.62-63.

Weiss, H., 2017. 4.2 ka BP Megadrought and the Akkadian Collapse. Megadrought and collapse: From early agriculture to Angkor, pp.93-160.

2. References discussing extrerrestrial impact hypothesis

Baillie, M.G.L., 2007a. The case for significant numbers of extraterrestrial impacts through the late Holocene. Journal of Quaternary Science: Published for the Quaternary Research Association, 22(2), pp.101-109.

Baillie, M.G.L., 2007b. Tree-rings indicate global environmental downturns that could have been caused by comet debris. In Comet/asteroid impacts and human society (pp. 105-122). Springer, Berlin, Heidelberg.

Courty, M.-A., 1997. Causes And Effects Of The 2350 BC Middle East Anomaly Evidenced By Micro-debris Fallout, Surface Combustion And Soil Explosion Presented at the SIS Conference: Natural Catastrophes during Bronze Age Civilisations (11th-13th July 1997) (abstract)

Courty, M.-A., 1998a. Causes and effects of the 2350 BC Middle East anomaly evidenced by micro-debris fallout, surface combustion and soil explosion. Natural Catastrophes During Bronze Age Civilisations: Archaeological, Geological, Astronomical and Cultural Perspectives. British Archaeological Reports-S728, Archaeopress, Oxford. (not accessed, likely a mangled citation for Courty 1998b, below)

Courty M.-A. 1998b. The soil record of an exceptional event at 4000 BP in the Middle East. In: Peiser BJ, Palmer T, Bailey ME (eds) Natural catastrophes during Bronze Age civilizations: archaeological, geological, astronomical, and cultural perspectives. BAR International Series 728, Archaeopress, Ox- ford, pp 93–108

Courty M.-A. 2001. Evidence at Tell Brak for the Late EDIII/Early Akkadian Air Blast Event (4 kyr BP). In: Oates D, Oates J, McDonald H (eds) Excavations at Tell Brak. Vol. 2: Nagar in the third millennium BC. McDonald Institute for Archaeology/British School of Archaeology in Iraq, London, pp 367–372.

Courty, M.-A., Crisci, A., Fedoroff, M., Grice, K., Greenwood, P., Mermoux, M., Smith, D. and Thiemens, M., 2008. Regional manifestation of the widespread disruption of soil-landscapes by the 4 kyr BP impact-linked dust event using pedo-sedimentary micro-fabrics. In New trends in soil micromorphology (pp. 211-236). Springer, Berlin, Heidelberg.

Masse, W.B., 2007. The archaeology and anthropology of Quaternary period cosmic impact. In Comet/asteroid impacts and human society (pp. 25-70). Springer, Berlin, Heidelberg.

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Dossier météorites > Sur les traces d'un impact d'astéroïde il y a 4000 ans > Un astéroïde a-t’il percuté La Terre à l'époque des pyramides ? Paul H. ( talk) 19:57, 1 January 2022 (UTC) reply

Comment. We have an article about the 4.2-kiloyear event which is well covered in numerous sources. The 2350 BC Middle East Anomaly explicitly refers to a different (putative) event. – Austronesier ( talk) 21:14, 1 January 2022 (UTC) reply

I agree. Only Courty (1997) calls it the "2350 BC Middle East Anomaly". In Courty (1998b) and thereafter, she moved the "2350 BC Middle East Anomaly" event to 4000 BP. Baillie and McAneney (2015) designates their event as the "2200–2000 BC climate anomaly", which groups both events together as one. Finally, Carolin et al. (2091), above, gives the duration of the 4.2 ka event being from 4.26 ka to 3.97 ka, which also means that there is only one instead of two events. Given whether calibrated versus uncalibrated radiocarbon dates are being used and the magnitude of the sigma on them, a difference of 200 years might very well be meaningless. But her event is a regional "airblast." Paul H. ( talk) 22:07, 1 January 2022 (UTC) reply

Baillie and McAneney do not group the two events as one. They mention the 2200-2000 BC event and then say "However, it might be unwise to ignore the precisely dated, abrupt environmental downturn that occurs some 150 years earlier." They are using dendro dating, which does not have the same problems as radiocarbon. Dudley Miles ( talk) 22:24, 1 January 2022 (UTC) reply

Week keep (and rename). User:Dudley Miles has made a good point that the hypothesis about this climate anomaly is not solely linked to Umm-al-Binni-related musings. But I also agree that if only based on the paper by Baille & McAneney (which is about a "growth downturn" observed in Irish and English oak tree rings "spanning 2354 BC to 2345 BC with hints of inundation", paired with wildly literalist speculations, check out e.g. the Annals of the Four Masters stuff on p. 837 of their paper), this is probably not enough for establishing independent notability. – Austronesier ( talk) 21:38, 1 January 2022 (UTC) reply
Delete The sourcing is almost entirely based on conference abstracts, which do not substantiate notability. It's not clear what the supposed renamed article would be titled or about. We already have an article on the 4.2-kiloyear event regardless. Hemiauchenia ( talk) 23:07, 1 January 2022 (UTC) reply

I agree with you and Austronesier. I am changing my vote to "delete" as it based on Courty's publications with not enough published detailed analysis and research in addition to Courty's than her to establishing independent notability. Paul H. ( talk) 01:20, 2 January 2022 (UTC) reply

Week keep (and rename) Per Dudley Miles' arguments. There seem to be several sources about a climate anomaly in this era, but they do not limit it to the Middle East. If kept, the article would need a change in scope. Dimadick ( talk) 11:55, 2 January 2022 (UTC) reply
Keep but rename -- We have clear evidence of a catastrophic event, published in a reliable source. Archaeopress is a reputable archaeological publisher and would not publish unsubstantiated material. There is clearly a dispute as to the interpretation of the event, whether it was volcanic or an air blast, but that is a matter of legitimate academic debate. We have an article on a 4.2 kiloyear event, but that is explicitly 200 years earlier. The first source places this at about 4000 years BP (=2350/2300 BC). This coincides with an event detected dendrochonology (which is fully precise); Baillie is an expert in this field. I would suggest as a name 2350 BC climatic event or 4.0 kiloyear climatic event. I prefer the former. Peterkingiron ( talk) 16:01, 2 January 2022 (UTC) reply
Agree with keep and rename per the deep dive of sources by multiple users above. Caleb Stanford ( talk) 01:55, 8 January 2022 (UTC) reply
Question @ Dudley Miles, Dimadick, Peterkingiron, Caleb Stanford, and Austronesier: do any of you have sources that will give us a title complying with WP:COMMONNAME? Because Google Scholar doesn't seem to back any of the suggested names. Doug Weller talk 13:28, 8 January 2022 (UTC) reply

Having supported delete I am moving towards keep but rename in the light of the discussion. Courty does seem RS and there is also the source I cited above, Baillie and McAneney, Why we shouldn’t ignore the mid-24th century BC when discussing the 2200-2000 BC climate anomaly. This is mentioned in a review article at [9], p. 182, which only mentions 2350 in passing but treats it as a fact. As Doug points out, there does not seem to be a name which complies with commonname. I like my suggestion of Mid-24th century BCE climate anomaly as clear for readers, unlike the vague and obscure 4.2-kiloyear event, but other editors may of course have better suggestions. Dudley Miles ( talk) 14:28, 8 January 2022 (UTC) reply

I agree with Dudley Miles - I also having supported delete, I am move "...towards keep but rename in the light of the discussion." Paul H. ( talk) 20:04, 8 January 2022 (UTC) reply

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The result was delete. ♠ PMC♠ (talk) 08:07, 8 January 2022 (UTC) reply

Emma Liljegren

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Badly sourced biography on someone who possibly fails WP:GNG and does not seem to have any other claim to notability. Google News has nothing. ProQuest has nothing. A Swedish newspaper search yielded a few hits but none of them are relevant to football and most seem to be wedding announcements, childbirth announcements and other routine local paper coverage which doesn't establish encyclopaedic notability (also no indication that they are referring to the footballer of this name). A Swedish source search using DDG was also unsuccessful. I did find one news article about her but the coverage is minimal and not enough to justify an article. Spiderone^{(Talk to Spider)} 16:51, 1 January 2022 (UTC) reply

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Delete - fails GNG and NFOOTBALL. Giant Snowman 17:22, 1 January 2022 (UTC) reply
Delete: I could not find any WP:SIGCOV to indicate the subject should have a standalone article. GauchoDude ( talk) 13:56, 7 January 2022 (UTC) reply

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The result was delete. ♠ PMC♠ (talk) 08:07, 8 January 2022 (UTC) reply

Helene Nordin

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Badly sourced biography. The footballer of this name doesn't seem to pass WP:GNG or any other appropriate guideline. Google News only seems to have coverage relating to the politician of the same name. Likewise when searching in the Swedish newspaper database and DDG. The two references in the article are passing mentions and do nothing to justify an article on Nordin. Spiderone^{(Talk to Spider)} 16:17, 1 January 2022 (UTC) reply

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Delete - fails GNG and NFOOTBALL. Giant Snowman 17:21, 1 January 2022 (UTC) reply
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The result was no consensus. I don't think we are going to achieve a clearer consensus given this has had three relists. The general feeling is that the article should be kept and no view to the contrary has been expressed besides through the nomination itself. (non-admin closure) Bungle ^{(
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Waves (festival)

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An article about a student event, referenced only to brief event announcement coverage (and with further such available, such as this promotionally-worded notice (2019). Despite the claims in the article text, such as that it "gained popularity far and wide due to the euphoria and ecstasy it creates", searches are not finding the evidence of notability needed to sustain an article here. I considered redirecting this to the article about the parent institution, where it is mentioned at Birla_Institute_of_Technology_and_Science,_Pilani_–_Goa_Campus#Student_life but a redirect without discussion seems inappropriate as this article was originally accepted at AfC, so I am instead bringing it here. AllyD ( talk) 22:01, 9 December 2021 (UTC) reply

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Keep. Needs lots of cleanup and better sources to be added, but I think there's something salvageable here. Although it's a student event, it seems to have a lot of coverage in the local area. Googling for "Waves Festival Goa" comes up with some promising results, although some may be promotional.^[1] ^[2] ^[3] ^[4] JonnyDKeen ( talk) 21:03, 11 December 2021 (UTC) reply

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Keep. This needs more sources, but it clearly seems to be a major event that would normally qualify for a wiki page, and has been running for years. Deathlibrarian ( talk) 07:32, 12 December 2021 (UTC) reply

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Comment (as nominator): The articles in the References box above are examples of what I meant by "brief event announcement coverage": similarly-worded PR pieces about the festival. Clearly this annual event has existed for a number of years, but can anyone identify a level of substantial consideration about the event which would justify a distinct article? If not, isn't a redirect to the brief coverage at Birla_Institute_of_Technology_and_Science,_Pilani_–_Goa_Campus#Student_life an appropriate outcome? AllyD ( talk) 12:21, 6 January 2022 (UTC) reply

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The result was delete. ✗ plicit 00:05, 9 January 2022 (UTC) reply

Emmanuel Paga

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Soccerway has 14 youth games for Paga and GSA has 4 games but only 52 minutes in a WP:NOTFPL league, therefore, Paga fails WP:NFOOTBALL. All of the cited sources are either stats pages, articles from clubs that he played for or trivial transfer rumours, no significant coverage. Google News has nothing more than a couple of small transfer announcements and DDG only yields Modern Ghana, which is basically a slight rewording of one of the other transfer announcements found through Google News. Paga does not currently pass WP:GNG, in my view. Spiderone^{(Talk to Spider)} 16:00, 1 January 2022 (UTC) reply

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Delete - fails GNG and NFOOTBALL. Giant Snowman 17:21, 1 January 2022 (UTC) reply
Redirect or merge to Vision F.C.. Excellent work going the extra mile to identify and read sources, Spiderone. Unfortunately, it is a common practice by users to just see a bunch of citations or results on a Google search and assume the topic is notable only based on that. 👨x🐱 ( Nina CortexxCoco Bandicoot) 21:44, 1 January 2022 (UTC) reply

Thank you! Since he was also on the books of San Antonio FC and International Allies F.C., it may not be appropriate to redirect to Vision over those two. Secondly, I'm not sure how Paga would be incorporated at the destination article. With such minor coverage, I'm not sure that he even warrants a mention at Vision F.C.. Spiderone^{(Talk to Spider)} 21:55, 1 January 2022 (UTC) reply

Delete – as per nom. Additionally, Paga is no longer at Vision FC, so there would be no reason to redirect there. Keskkonnakaitse ( talk) 23:13, 2 January 2022 (UTC) reply

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The result was delete. ♠ PMC♠ (talk) 08:07, 8 January 2022 (UTC) reply

Jonathan Browne (racing driver)

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WP:BLP of a racing driver who has only competed in very minor series and seems to be notable only for one event (winning the Formula Ford Festival). Most coverage is WP:ROUTINE, with this Autosport article and this Formula Scout article coming the closest to providing significant coverage that I can find in a WP:BEFORE search. Two of the Formula Scout articles cited in the article do focus on the subject (" FF1600 star Jonathan Browne to race in Indy Pro 2000 with Turn 3" and " FFord Festival winner Jonathan Browne to join GB3 with Hillspeed"), but both are just fairly routine announcements which both relate back heavily to said FF Festival win. What sourcing there is on this driver would probably be far better used creating articles about the events they have competed in rather than in creating a WP:BLP. HumanBodyPiloter5 ( talk) 15:03, 1 January 2022 (UTC) reply

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Delete – No clear claim to significance and does not meet GNG. Coverage is primarily focussed on events which as the nominator notes should be what our articles are on, rather than on the drivers with fleeting and insignificant notability. 5225_C ( talk • contributions) 15:07, 1 January 2022 (UTC) reply
Delete per nom and 5225C. No evidence of notability that I could find in my own searches. A7V2 ( talk) 08:43, 5 January 2022 (UTC) reply
Delete The subject doesn't appears to be notable as per gng. Timetraveller80 ( talk) 11:58, 6 January 2022 (UTC) reply

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The result was delete. ♠ PMC♠ (talk) 08:07, 8 January 2022 (UTC) reply

Lucy Azeez

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BLP of a PR professional, sourced to PR. Mccapra ( talk) 13:21, 1 January 2022 (UTC) reply

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Delete - press releases are not reliable sources for establishing notability. I can find no coverage about this person that would substantiate having an article. -- Whpq ( talk) 13:30, 1 January 2022 (UTC) reply
Keep - She has different spellings, Lucy Aziz is also her spelling. I found her, she is leading business leader in OPPO GCC. In the Muslim middle eastern atmosphere where women are not as such in leading position Lucy Aziz or Lucy Azeez is one of the leading businesswomen. The sources from various news sites like Lofficielarabia, Laylina News, Middle East Info, Gulf Business mentioned her andher performance. Penandpencil2021 ( talk) 16:00, 1 January 2022 (UTC) reply

Which of these you you believe are reliable sources? Mccapra ( talk) 20:16, 1 January 2022 (UTC) reply

According to the article she is not a “leading business leader”, she’s a head of PR. Mccapra ( talk) 20:18, 1 January 2022 (UTC) reply

Delete her coverages are not in reliable independent sources, no evidence of notability. Brayan ocaner ( talk) 21:43, 1 January 2022 (UTC) reply
Delete not notable, PR as per nom. Best Alexandermcnabb ( talk) 08:36, 4 January 2022 (UTC) reply
Delete No reliable sources are present, lacks notability as per the nom. Timetraveller80 ( talk) 12:00, 6 January 2022 (UTC) reply

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The result was Delete. G11'd shortly after nomination. (non-admin closure) jp× g 12:37, 1 January 2022 (UTC) reply

Sth Nahiyan

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Some guy's resume. All of the citations are to his own website and there are no search results even resembling reliable sources. I don't think being an entrepreneur, full-stack developer, pianist and singer makes you notable (or else I'd be a BLP subject). jp× g 12:10, 1 January 2022 (UTC) reply

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The result was delete. ♠ PMC♠ (talk) 08:08, 8 January 2022 (UTC) reply

Nokturn Technology Company Limited

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This article is very badly written. Of the four references, not a single one mentions the company's name, or is in any way related to it. It claims to have one hundred users. Wow! I do not find anything from a WP:BEFORE search. Since it has an infobox and references, I expect that a speedy nomination would be contested. jp× g 11:49, 1 January 2022 (UTC) reply

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The article appears to have been blanked by its creator, whose WP user name is the same as someone identifying on LinkedIn as the company's chief technology officer. This may be merely a misguided attempt to write a WP article about a subject too close to home. If you're the creator of this article and have had second thoughts about it, you don't need to blank it; you can also request its speedy deletion by adding the template {{Db-G7}} as the only person who's made significant input. This doesn't preclude the creation of another article when better sources are available; it is likely to be WP:TOOSOON. Alternatively, since there was no prod, and no conflict, this could be soft-deleted. Elemimele ( talk) 13:23, 1 January 2022 (UTC) reply
Delete: Fails most (if not all) of WP:NBUSINESS, and the infobox and references fail WP:CORPDEPTH. The references that were included before failed establishing notability entirely. To be honest, I think CSD A7 could've applied here anyway, since the infobox doesn't indicate importance in any plausible way (5 employees, 2 years old?) WhoAteMyButter ( 📨_talk│ 📝^contribs) 06:31, 2 January 2022 (UTC) reply
Delete fails WP:CORP. Devokewater ^(talk) 17:15, 3 January 2022 (UTC) reply
Delete: No references. Multi7001 ( talk) 00:45, 4 January 2022 (UTC) reply

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The result was no consensus. No prejudice against speedy renomination. (non-admin closure) Extraordinary Writ ( talk) 21:08, 8 January 2022 (UTC) reply

Kamnaa (TV series)

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Fails a 'before' test. I dream of horses (Contribs) (Talk) 07:36, 18 December 2021 (UTC) reply

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Keep - needs improvement as an article, but valid topic for a stub, meets NTV as nationally broadcast TV series. matt91486 ( talk) 08:09, 28 December 2021 (UTC) reply

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The result was no consensus of the weaker variety. A move should be considered per Chess' comments. Daniel ( talk) 13:18, 9 January 2022 (UTC) reply

Chutzpa Productions

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This was a 2015 keep, however I think it's time to look at this in light of current notability standards. This was not discussed at the time, but is an interview/review. I looked through those on their press site as suggested, and they're interviews mostly with Hecht, so not independent. This may be the exception, but I'm not sure it's a reliable source. I also explored creating an article on Hecht as suggested at the AfD, but I don't think there's the sourcing there either. Thoughts? (Will ping contributors to the AfD in a comment) Star Mississippi 16:38, 16 December 2021 (UTC) reply

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Courtesy @ Shawn à Montréal, DGG, Laval, Jayron32, Alansohn, Qwyrxian, and Astronaut: as referenced in or contributed to Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Chutzpa Productions. Omitting nom who is since sock blocked. Star Mississippi 16:41, 16 December 2021 (UTC) reply
Delete. I'm turning up basically bubkis in a google search. Maybe a small handful of their productions would marginally pass WP:GNG, and also possibly the founder of the company, but per WP:NOTINHERITED, the company would need to stand on its own, and other than it's own website and social media accounts, there's little out there except for the name attached to its productions. -- Jayron[[User talk:Jayron32|<b style="color:#0
Weak keep. Maybe moving the information to the founder might help. There's always a choice between the person and the company when they are this closely inter-related, as is often the case in the arts. DGG ( talk ) 08:26, 17 December 2021 (UTC) reply
Keep. Conclusion last time was to move to the principal. Don't know why community time is wasted on this again. If one wants to contribute, the path is clear. Meets WP:GNG at the very least. gidonb ( talk) 17:40, 18 December 2021 (UTC) reply
Nom comment because I was unable to find evidence that he meets notability guidelines either, which is why we're here. Also, a lot changes in six years criteria wise. Would be helpful if folks can identify sourcing on which an article could be made. Star Mississippi 17:53, 18 December 2021 (UTC) reply

Sources were included in the last discussion. Now again. It's the article space work that doesn't get done. gidonb ( talk) 03:29, 20 December 2021 (UTC) reply

Delete based on my searching, zero significant coverage in independent-reliable sources. Brayan ocaner ( talk) 22:55, 18 December 2021 (UTC) reply
Delete The article is unreferenced, notability is not evident, and the references I see above are not particularly impressive. - GizzyCatBella 🍁 09:06, 26 December 2021 (UTC) reply
Strong Keep - I didn't spend more than maybe 10 minutes looking for sources and came up with the following:

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Tehran Times - “Forgotten on Sinjar” centers on the overlooked and almost forgotten genocide of the Yazidi people. It sheds light on a remarkable story of Christians, Muslims and Jews, who came together to save women and children that the world had forgotten.
Izzy Stream Israel TV
Times Will Tell (a podcast by Times of Israel)
Times of Israel article
Critics At Large - following is a quote by Hecht in a review authored by Shlomo Schwartzberg, a film critic and teacher at Ryerson University, Toronto: “Festivals are the lifeline of an independent filmmaker or for that matter any filmmaker, Jewish or not. Hot Docs is the biggest one. Being in a festival like Hot Docs gets your film noticed. After having two films in it for two years in a row, I can tell you that this alone gives you credibility in the very secluded and often snobbish documentary community. I'm not part of the clique, I do my own thing, and Hot Docs has been amazing in giving me a forum to showcase my work. Indeed it has, as one will discover after some deeper research into his work and the films he has produced. WP:Notability can certainly be elusive in situations like this one. Perhaps my experiences as an NPP reviewer/trainer, and retired TV producer helped guide my search for sources and more information. Based on what I've gleaned, Chutzpa Productions is notable, as is Igal Hecht. If an editor has the time to do the research, the article could be expanded to include a section about Hecht, or perhaps a stand alone BLP is an option worth considering. As a sidebar - I wanted to share this little tidbit about notability as it has proven quite useful in some of my training exercises for the NPP school. Atsme 💬 📧 02:23, 19 December 2021 (UTC) reply
- and slightly too to @ Gidonb as it's similar. So many interviews with Hecht. Do they really establish creative notability? It doesn't seem clear whether they work in a way they don't for the company since he's not independent of it. Star Mississippi 14:25, 20 December 2021 (UTC) reply
Thank you for your diligence and for asking questions. I have no doubt that the sources in my list establish notability - see WP:NRV. The few sources I found (in 10 minutes or less & there are more) are indeed "independent of the subject" and are not produced by Chutzpuh or Hecht or affiliated in some way (advertising, press releases, autobiographies, subject's website, etc.). If you get a chance, please read User talk:Atsme#Notability as there are many parallels relative to notability in general.

Keep. I agree with the reasons given by User:Atsme directly above. Knox490 ( talk) 03:28, 2 January 2022 (UTC) reply

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Relisting comment: It appears the owner of the company is more notable than his actual production company. The only source that convinces me this could have an ounce of GNG is this Times of Israel article. Do we have anymore of this? Even in Hebrew? Relisting because I am not convinced at this point and I don't think other reviewers will be, either, that this subject merits inclusion.
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Keep The fact that this has already been through AFD, and Atsme has provided a bunch of References above, in addition to what's already on the page, its a keep for me. Meets WP:GNG Deathlibrarian ( talk) 01:48, 27 December 2021 (UTC) reply
I've seen you across many AFDs, and totally respect your searching, but can you clarify how these sources are independent of Hecht/his company when they're primarily interviews? As far as I've always heard, those don't help with GNG. Star Mississippi 14:40, 27 December 2021 (UTC) reply

hi Star they are interviews with him, and they discuss him - if someone/some company is the featured focus of an article, than that is legitimate RS.I wouldn't think that's the same as churnalism, which is basically republishing a press release form the company. As far as I understood, if someone is the feature of an article, then it counts, as longs as its not a replication of a press release? Happy to be corrected of course! Deathlibrarian ( talk) 11:50, 28 December 2021 (UTC) reply

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Move to Igal Hecht. While the sources Atsme have provided demonstrate notability, the notable entity isn't this production company, but the filmmaker himself. It would seem like Hecht is effectively synonymous with this company to the point that a find+replace of "Chutzpah Productions" with "Igal Hecht" in addition to a move would result in no practical difference to the article itself. On a more pragmatic basis the article would no longer have to be considered under WP:NORG in that case. Chess ( talk) (please use {{ reply to|Chess}} on reply) 19:40, 1 January 2022 (UTC) reply

I found more sources: Toronto.com, Video Librarian (review), Minding The Campus and I have no objection to a MOVE. I also mentioned it in my iVote so either way works. Atsme 💬 📧 05:08, 2 January 2022 (UTC) reply

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List of Bilibili original programming

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Non-notable video hosting site. All references are WP:PRIMARY Whiteguru ( talk) 21:52, 24 December 2021 (UTC) reply

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Comment - The site is quite notable in China. I think it wouldn't be very hard to include some reliable refs from Baidu. Sun8908 _Talk 12:21, 25 December 2021 (UTC) reply
Comment - Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of Douyin original programming is an bundled AfD for two potentially related articles. Singularity42 ( talk) 14:04, 25 December 2021 (UTC) reply
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Merge to Bilibili, while this can be a notable list, it is short enough it can be placed in the main article without much issue. When they make enough series, recreation can be reconsidered via WP:SIZESPLIT. Jumpytoo Talk 21:02, 27 December 2021 (UTC) reply

Keep Changing vote to keep as article was expanded after my initial vote, and the planned further expansion by Canadianerk would make the merger WP:UNDUE and WP:TOOLONG. Jumpytoo Talk 04:52, 7 January 2022 (UTC) reply

Merge Too many primary sources. Sachin.cba ( talk) 07:27, 28 December 2021 (UTC) reply

Keep per the significant coverage in multiple independent reliable sources.
The subject passes Wikipedia:Notability#Stand-alone lists, which says, "One accepted reason why a list topic is considered notable is if it has been discussed as a group or set by independent reliable sources, per the above guidelines; notable list topics are appropriate for a stand-alone list." I will show below that "Bilibili original programming" has been treated as "a group or set by independent reliable sources".

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1. 李禾子 (2020-11-28). "花大钱搞自制内容，B站怎么想的？" [Spending a large amount of money to product original content, what is Bilibili thinking] (in Chinese). Sina Corporation. Archived from the original on 2021-12-31. Retrieved 2021-12-31.
2. 初霁 (2020-10-13). "自制内容收视率高 B站就"破圈"成功了？" [Original content has high ratings. Bilibili successfully "broke the circle"?]. BT财经 (in Chinese). Archived from the original on 2021-12-31. Retrieved 2021-12-31 – via Sina Corporation.
Merge to Bilibili
I am worried that a merge to Bilibili would be either undue weight or would result in the loss of some of the content.
General notability guideline
There is sufficient coverage in reliable sources to allow the subject to pass Wikipedia:Notability#General notability guideline, which requires "significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subject".
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Keep/Draftify Article needs significant cleanup, expansion and additional sources, Bilibili is China-only, and all sources are currently primary. These are obstacles the article has to overcome, that much I agree with the nominator. But, the premise of the AfD is not satisfactory to me. If Bilibili is not a notable video service in any form, Bilibili should be the target? That's a whole can of worms, which is why I'd like to focus on the state of the article. Just how new the article is, is a problem. It was nominated for AfD barely a day after creation - and even if other editors came across, a lack on interest in this subject area and scarcity of English-language sources are barriers to improvement. So, I'd say that a more suitable solution is tagging the article for primary sources/other issues, to flag it to others, but given it's entirely primary at the moment it's understandable if that's not acceptable. That's why I think the best solution would be myself and hopefully others - stepping in and to help improve this article. If participants believe it must be removed from mainspace immediately, moving it to draftspace or userspace is a solution that would work. I've gathered at least 5 reliable (at least as far as I can tell) secondary sources after just a quick search, and believe I can both expand the article, and replace at least some of the existing sources. This source in particular indicates that they have far more original series than the article currently lists, for example. However, given the numbers listed there alone, I also think it's likely that article expansion - if I plan and implement it properly - would substantially increase the size of the article, which could hurt the case to merge (given it's a list, WP:SIZESPLIT is limited at best for this discussion anyway, but I figured I'd address this.) I'll get started on implementing some changes shortly - reducing primary sources below like, 50%, much less 10-20% will be difficult, but I'll focus on expansion first, then replacing- input, thoughts and help expanding the article is welcome! Canadianerk ( talk) 23:35, 3 January 2022 (UTC) reply
Keep per WP:HEY, WP:SIZESPLIT. Since the AfD started, this list has been quite significantly expanded, so much so that a merge would make the Bilibili page far WP:TOOLONG. Cunard above has also shown that there appears to be coverage of these series as a group in Chinese, thus also meeting WP:NLIST. While this uses primary sources too much, this is a problem that can be fixed by cleanup, which deletion is not. Link20XX ( talk) 05:46, 7 January 2022 (UTC) reply

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The result was soft delete. Based on minimal participation, this uncontroversial nomination is treated as an expired PROD (a.k.a. "soft deletion"). Editors can request the article's undeletion. ✗ plicit 11:29, 8 January 2022 (UTC) reply

Lathan Toland

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The subject of this article fails WP:NACTOR and WP:BIO, and I failed to find any coverage about them on Google. Additionally, the subject of this article has requested deletion of the article ( WP:BLPREQUESTDELETE) in the IRC Help channel. Java Hurricane 08:17, 1 January 2022 (UTC) reply

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The result was delete. ♠ PMC♠ (talk) 07:11, 8 January 2022 (UTC) reply

Levente Révész

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WP:BLP of a young racing driver who has only participated in very minor series and seems to at most be notable only for one event (signing to race in FREC). A WP:BEFORE search returns some WP:ROUTINE coverage of race results, but very little signficant coverage from independent sources. Probably a case of WP:TOOSOON. HumanBodyPiloter5 ( talk) 06:05, 1 January 2022 (UTC) reply

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Delete – per nominator's rationale, fits into the category of young drivers given an article without doing anything to garner the attention needed. 5225_C ( talk • contributions) 11:01, 1 January 2022 (UTC) reply
Delete Not sure I understand the nominator's part where WP:ONEEVENT is mentioned for "signing to race in FREC", because that event doesn't even grant him notability (and FRECA isn't the tournament that falls under the criteria 1 of WP:NMOTORSPORT). To no surprise, there's no significant coverage of Levente in secondary sources, and thus fails WP:GNG. Jovanmilic97 ( talk) 10:53, 2 January 2022 (UTC) reply
Delete - Per nom. I was unable to find any independent significant coverage. A7V2 ( talk) 08:47, 5 January 2022 (UTC) reply

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The result was delete. ✗ plicit 11:30, 8 January 2022 (UTC) reply

Sherman Pendergarst

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Fails WP:MMABIO notability critera, he does not have 3 fights in a top tier promotion, his highest ranking by Fight Matrix was #72 in the world. WP:GNG is also failed, majority of his coverage is through routine sporting report. ♡RAFAEL♡^(
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Delete Doesn't meet any MMA notability criteria and lacks the significant coverage needed to pass WP:GNG. With 11 victories is 30 matches, I have to wonder how he was ever ranked as high as he was. Papaursa ( talk) 20:51, 5 January 2022 (UTC) reply
Delete Fails NMMA and GNG. Cassiopeia talk 08:08, 8 January 2022 (UTC) reply

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The result was merge to It's Such a Beautiful Day (film). ✗ plicit 00:09, 9 January 2022 (UTC) reply

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Everything Will Be OK

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this is the first part of It's Such a Beautiful Day (film) and everything said here can be merged into it HadesTTW (he/him • talk) 03:48, 1 January 2022 (UTC) reply

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Merge to It's Such a Beautiful Day (film) Per the nom. Pahiy ( talk) 15:45, 1 January 2022 (UTC) reply

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The result was keep. (non-admin closure) Extraordinary Writ ( talk) 07:20, 8 January 2022 (UTC) reply

Trotters, North Dakota

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The old church here is hugely photogenic and is endlessly photographed, in no small part because it stands alone by the side of the road, a short distance from an abandoned gas station which appears to have opened in the mid 1980s, replacing a pair of buildings on the opposite side of the road. Sources imply those buildings included a store at some point, but this is another place where there's no sign anyone actually lived here. Mangoe ( talk) 03:25, 1 January 2022 (UTC) reply

Keep Trotters and its last (and for a while only) resident, Leonard Hall, got quite a bit of newspaper coverage in the late 20th century, much as Monowi, Nebraska does today. There's this Associated Press article from 1981, this article from 1987 in the Bismarck Tribune, this article six years later in the same newspaper, and this article from when the post office closed in 1995. All four articles are fairly substantial, and when put together amount to significant coverage. TheCatalyst31 ^{Reaction•
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The coverage is interesting, though I don't know that I'd call it extensive, as it is more or less the same story repeated at intervals, with some variation due to the passage of time. But more importantly, it's about the post office and the postmaster, and there's precious little about any town except for the assumption that there was one, and some passing mention of the church. It tends to ratify my analysis that the only thing ever here was the store/PO and the church, and that there was never any encompassing settlement. I think the notability claim is a stretch at best, but if it survives, it wouldn't be an article about a town. Mangoe ( talk) 04:19, 5 January 2022 (UTC) reply

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Keep - might not be a "legally recognized populated place", but meets GNG with sources provided above. Spicy ( talk) 05:20, 1 January 2022 (UTC) reply
Keep - The article has sources-Thank You- RFD ( talk) 16:20, 1 January 2022 (UTC) reply
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Keep per above. Doremo ( talk) 04:34, 5 January 2022 (UTC) reply
Keep Unincorporated communities are considered notable. Seacactus 13 ( talk) 05:41, 7 January 2022 (UTC) reply

That is not how discussions have gone of late, and in any case, the bigger issue here is that the evidence is that this was not a "community". It was a post office operating out of a store. We have routinely deleted these. Mangoe ( talk) 03:25, 8 January 2022 (UTC) reply

"of Trotters, N. D., being old respected settlers of this community" (The Wahpeton Times, May 28, 1916); "Two inland communities, Golva and Trotters" (The Bismarck Tribune, May 4, 1950); "ranch in the Trotters community" (The Bismarck Tribune, May 6, 1952); "John A. Gorrell of the Trotters community" (The Bismarck Tribune, Apr. 27, 1961); "ranch in the Trotters community" (The Bismarck Tribune, Apr. 28, 1961); "settled in the Trotters community" (The Bismarck Tribune, Apr. 2, 1981); "in the Trotters community" (The Bismarck Tribune, Jun. 11, 2006) Doremo ( talk) 04:05, 8 January 2022 (UTC) reply

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The result was delete. ✗ plicit 04:28, 8 January 2022 (UTC) reply

List of unreleased role-playing video games

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No per-game sources (the last used citation was taken in 2008) with a large amount of WP:GAMECRUFT. ~ Dissident93 ^(
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Delete Confusing title. It made me believe that the list was about video games in development, but it really just refers to vaporware or cancelled games. There does not seem to be a need for this list as there is no clear difference between a game in development hell and one that was soft cancelled._{ZXCVBNM (
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Agreed, if the article is kept (it probably shouldn't be) it needs to be renamed and given inclusion criteria or something. It's a mess as is. Sergecross73 msg me 02:55, 1 January 2022 (UTC) reply

Delete. The list is a mix of cancelled, "unknown", and TBD games. It's not useful. Neo-corelight ( Talk) 00:50, 2 January 2022 (UTC) reply
Comment Doesn't seem a good way to group them. Category:Cancelled video games shows a massive number of articles exist for canceled games, divided based on what they were going to be released on. Role playing game is not really defined too well, since most games have you play as a character with a history and whatnot. Dream Focus 02:06, 3 January 2022 (UTC) reply
Delete - Unclear what the subject or scope of this article is supposed to be. HumanBodyPiloter5 ( talk) 05:38, 4 January 2022 (UTC) reply
Delete — They should be moved to the list of canned titles for their respective platforms instead of this... Roberth Martinez ( talk) 20:58, 7 January 2022 (UTC) reply

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The result was delete. ✗ plicit 04:29, 8 January 2022 (UTC) reply

Letha Weapons

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Fails the GNG. All the refs are trivial coverage or name drops along with other porn stars with hugely augmented busts. Wouldn't have even passed the later versions of PORNBIO. GoldenAgeFan1 ( talk) 00:21, 1 January 2022 (UTC) reply

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Delete as per nomination. TH1980 ( talk) 03:16, 2 January 2022 (UTC) reply
Delete nom couldn’t have put it better. “Huge fake boobs” is not a sufficient rationale on its own to keep. Dronebogus ( talk) 15:14, 2 January 2022 (UTC) reply
Delete we lack enough coverage in the article or elsewhere to justify having an article. John Pack Lambert ( talk) 14:35, 3 January 2022 (UTC) reply

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The result was delete. ✗ plicit 04:33, 7 January 2022 (UTC) reply

Evdile Koçer

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There is not enough independent and reliable sources to prove its notability. If we take a look at the sources in the Kurdish Wikipedia article, this one is mostly an interview (non-independent), here is a poem of him, and this one is completely an interview. The only source in the English article is this, and it mentions about his visit to a foundation, which doesn't provide us any notable information to add to the article. Nanahuatl ( talk) 23:05, 17 December 2021 (UTC) reply

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Relisting comment: Previously nominated via WP:PROD, ineligible for soft deletion.
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Delete, per nom, for failing WP:ANYBIO. For writers, it is not about what they write but what others write about them. This subject does not cross the bar. Ifnord ( talk) 00:09, 1 January 2022 (UTC) reply
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Comment, have left a message at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Kurdistan letting the wikiproject know about this afd. Coolabahapple ( talk) 16:13, 1 January 2022 (UTC) reply
DeleteI have seen the message at the Wikiproject Kurdistan. I have also googled the subject and not much came up except for Twitter, YouTube, Instagram and Facebook. As to me a Wikipedia article shouldn't be a social media profile. In the current state, delete. Paradise Chronicle ( talk) 20:00, 1 January 2022 (UTC) reply

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The result was delete. ✗ plicit 04:30, 8 January 2022 (UTC) reply

Sayyid Ahmed Amiruddin

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Filled with primary sources and dubious claims, this BLP appears heavily edited by either COI or the subject. I invoke WP:TNT, not notability, as basis for deletion. Ifnord ( talk) 00:03, 1 January 2022 (UTC) reply

Delete Questionable notability, a lot of content here, like about the criminal allegations, is far from neutral and some of it, such as the material on the British royal family, has nothing to do with him. And he is called "Lord Sayyid"? It's amazing it's been on Wikipedia for 14 years without being challenged in an AFD. Too bad it was de-PROD'd 12 years ago. Liz ^{Read!
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Comment this is the first AfD of 2022 for me. I think I need to go and lie down. Wow! Mccapra ( talk) 00:39, 1 January 2022 (UTC) reply
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Delete per WP:TNT just blatant POV. Xxanthippe ( talk) 02:10, 1 January 2022 (UTC). reply
Delete. The sources are not convincing for a pass of WP:GNG. Even the best of them (#1, the Star detox story) only mentions him in passing. And in any case WP:TNT and WP:PERP also apply. How has such a bad article survived for so long? — David Eppstein ( talk) 01:50, 1 January 2022 (UTC) reply
Delete I think TNT would be quite suitable, since the COI issue is long stale by now, so it doesn't help to have it in the history. There is a risk that some well meaning individual might restore a lot of the stuff on the page currently, if it's left in the history, which would be an issue. Mako001 (C) (T) _{^{(The Alternate Mako)}} 07:19, 1 January 2022 (UTC) reply
Delete Blatantly promotional with no real significance shown. Tame ( talk) 08:44, 1 January 2022 (UTC) reply
Delete per WP:TNT. Pharaoh of the Wizards ( talk) 05:20, 4 January 2022 (UTC) reply

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