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The result was delete. ansh 666 05:07, 3 October 2017 (UTC) reply

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WP:BLP of a filmmaker, not referenced to enough reliable source coverage about him to clear WP:GNG. Of the nine distinct sources here, two are primary sources (a YouTube video and the Amazon sales profile of his book), two (American Forests and Daily Beast) are pieces of content where he's the bylined author, one ("TheInsite.org") is an article on the website of an organization which is not a media outlet, two are Q&A interviews where he's quoted talking about himself and his own work, one is a 50-word blurb and one is a glancing namecheck of his existence in a film's cast and crew list. All of which means that none of the sources here are helping him get over GNG: some of these sources would be fine for some supplementary verification of facts after GNG had already been covered off by third-party sources, but cannot be bringers of GNG as they represent the subject talking about himself, and none of the others count for anything at all. This was also tagged for {{ notability}} from 2011 until three days ago, when that was removed by an anonymous IP -- so I also suspect, but cannot definitively prove, conflict of interest editing. Bearcat ( talk) 23:00, 25 September 2017 (UTC) reply

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• Delete being the youngest contributor to some organization is not a sign of notability, and none of his others actions amount to notability. Just being a journalists, especially at the publication he is with, is also not a sign of notability. John Pack Lambert ( talk) 16:39, 27 September 2017 (UTC) reply

• delete lacks lacks sufficient coverage in WP:RS. Does not meet WP:GNG Dlohcierekim ( talk) 02:05, 3 October 2017 (UTC) reply

• Delete per nom. -- Psiĥedelisto ( talk) 04:34, 3 October 2017 (UTC) reply

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The result was redirect to The Sisters of Mercy. czar 03:58, 3 October 2017 (UTC) reply

Wake (video album)

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This article does not meet our notability criteria for albums WP:NALBUM and is exclusively sourced to sisterswiki and thesistersofmercy.com I have not been able to find significant coverage of the recording in in independent, reliable sources. Mduvekot ( talk) 22:42, 25 September 2017 (UTC) reply

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• Redirect to The Sisters of Mercy. No significant coverage. — Za wl 10:58, 2 October 2017 (UTC) reply
• Redirect as above. Dlohcierekim ( talk) 02:09, 3 October 2017 (UTC) reply

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The result was speedily deleted under criterion G11. Seraphimblade ^{Talk to me} 02:41, 3 October 2017 (UTC) reply

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Not clear that topic meets WP:GNG. May be WP:DEL4 sourced only to works by the authors of the patent. Product clearly has Google hits from sites selling it, but I can't find substantial coverage in secondary sources. Would appreciate more eyes on this. Ajpolino ( talk) 22:37, 25 September 2017 (UTC) reply

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• Delete: source search shows no reliable coverage for verifiability or notability. Orphaned since February 2009 which is how I came across it. DrStrauss talk 10:33, 29 September 2017 (UTC) reply

• delete lacks lacks sufficient coverage in WP:RS. Does not meet WP:GNG. Sources are about the ingrediaents, not the subject itself. Dlohcierekim ( talk) 02:13, 3 October 2017 (UTC) reply

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The result was speedy delete. A7, no plausible indication of notability DGG ( talk ) 04:54, 26 September 2017 (UTC) reply

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Delete per WP:GNG and WP:BLP. Claims of significance are unsubstantiated and sources are unreliable. Comatmebro ( talk) 21:59, 25 September 2017 (UTC) reply

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• Delete - Notability claim is based mostly on IMDB, which is not a reliable source. Does not satisfy biographical notability. Robert McClenon ( talk) 03:07, 26 September 2017 (UTC) reply
• Delete does not meat notability requirements. John Pack Lambert ( talk) 03:12, 26 September 2017 (UTC) reply

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The result was speedy deleted under WP:G7. (non-admin closure) MassiveYR ♠ 21:27, 25 September 2017 (UTC) reply

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accidental creation of page Anniethiessen ( talk) 21:07, 25 September 2017 (UTC) reply

• Comment no need for a discussion - since you're the only one who has edited the article and want it deleted, I've placed a "db-author" tag on it, and an admin will delete it shortly. Mr. MacTidy ( talk) 21:13, 25 September 2017 (UTC) reply

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The result was keep. ansh 666 05:07, 3 October 2017 (UTC) reply

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Failing WP:ORG and WP:GNG Arthistorian1977 ( talk) 21:31, 25 September 2017 (UTC) reply

Keep: This is a page of an educational institution. Any educational institution is notable even if it is a single room; as it helps to increase the human knowledge. It is not the page of some supersticious temple or church. It is a newly established college in an island and also only one college in that small island. Third party source of this article is also available in the references; in the pdf of Saurashtra University affiliated college list. Thus I think this article is suitable for wikipedia.-- Soumitrahazra ( talk) 25 September 2017

Comment Absolutely not, per Wikipedia:Notability_(organizations_and_companies)#Schools, all universities, colleges and schools, including high schools, middle schools, primary (elementary) schools, and schools that only provide a support to mainstream education must satisfy either this guideline (WP:ORG) or the general notability guideline, or both. Arthistorian1977 ( talk) 22:18, 25 September 2017 (UTC) reply

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• Keep as a degree-awarding institution per longstanding precedent and consensus. -- Necrothesp ( talk) 23:21, 25 September 2017 (UTC) reply

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• Keep as this is amply enough for WP:V, which is the only relevant pillar policy here and that alone is notable. SwisterTwister talk 04:05, 26 September 2017 (UTC) reply
• Keep it was demonstrated that it exists and not a hoax, which is the only thing that matters for secondary schools degree awarding institution. -- Muhandes ( talk) 05:49, 26 September 2017 (UTC) ; edited 13:48, 2 October 2017 (UTC) reply

• Consensus states that secondary schools are not presumed to be notable simply because they exist. — Za wl 11:10, 2 October 2017 (UTC) reply

• Yup, the term "secondary schools" was inappropriate and corrected. I think the message was understood even if the wrong term was used. -- Muhandes ( talk) 13:48, 2 October 2017 (UTC) reply

• Keep The consensus is that pretty much all secondary and post-secondary educational institutions are notable. John Pack Lambert ( talk) 23:55, 27 September 2017 (UTC) reply
• KeepIs a recognised college affiliated to the Saurashtra University degree-awarding institution. Pharaoh of the Wizards ( talk) 01:25, 1 October 2017 (UTC) reply

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The result was delete. Jo-Jo Eumerus ( talk, contributions) 18:58, 2 October 2017 (UTC) reply

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1. fails WP:GNG label recently deleted NN which has been a WP:NOTINHERITED kind of justification for the N of this
2. WP:NOTPROMO per WP:BOGOF (undisclosed COI editors) Widefox; talk 09:57, 18 September 2017 (UTC) reply

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• Delete people who are one of many designers for a label are rarely notable, only the head designer/owner/founder is generally notable (if 3 people, maybe three notables), but just being "a designer" is usually not enough. Maybe if he had designed lots of named things, but we lack sourcing to show that. John Pack Lambert ( talk) 03:47, 26 September 2017 (UTC) reply
• Delete per nom fails WP:GNG. Pharaoh of the Wizards ( talk) 21:13, 1 October 2017 (UTC) reply

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The result was delete. -- RoySmith (talk) 02:55, 3 October 2017 (UTC) reply

List of screenwriting "gurus"

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PROD was removed, addressing neither of original concerns: Article appears to be purely original research. The title says gurus, which is a value judgment unsupported by references. The actual criteria for selection appears to authorship of a book about screenwriting, which makes the title disingenuous. If the author rewrites the article and provides an authoritative secondary source for the list, I will withdraw. Didn't happen. Rhadow ( talk) 19:06, 25 September 2017 (UTC) reply

• Keep, but just those who can be sourced, e.g. Syd Field ( "Screenwriting Guru Syd Field Dies at 77", Hollywood Reporter; "Syd Field, 'screenwriting guru', dies aged 77", BBC), Robert McKee ( "Screenwriting guru Robert McKee on this year's Oscar contenders", Los Angeles Times; "Robert McKee: Hollywood's screenwriting guru on Breaking Bad, Charlie Kaufman, and the 'monumental' future of storytelling", The Daily Telegraph). Turns out "screenwriting guru" is a reasonably well-known term. [1] [2] Clarityfiend ( talk) 05:59, 26 September 2017 (UTC) reply
• Comment - Fine. Notice however, how weak most of the BLPs are that make up this list. Most are tagged aready. Rhadow ( talk) 11:44, 26 September 2017 (UTC) reply
• Delete as WP:LISTCRUFT and for failing WP:LISTN. Yes, some people may have been called "gurus" in news coverage, but has this topic as a whole been a subject of WP:SIGCOV in reliable secondary sources? It does not appear to be so. Even the article notes:

• "A screenwriting "guru" is a screenwriter, screenwriting teacher or author who writes or lectures about the craft of screenwriting. The term "guru" is a contentious one, not least because the word implies that these individuals are experts in the field and have much to teach aspirant screenwriters, yet few "gurus" have themselves achieved any success in the film industry and most are not known for their own screenplays/scripts."

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• Delete - As WP:SYNTH and WP:OR. There could potentially be a "list of screenwriters" but only if it is well sourced and adds some value. _{ZXCVBNM ( TALK)} 08:12, 28 September 2017 (UTC) reply
• Delete, per WP:LISTCRUFT; no WP:RS citing and WP:OR, also applies. Kierzek ( talk) 21:00, 28 September 2017 (UTC) reply

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The result was redirect to Kansas's 4th congressional district special election, 2017. [3] ansh 666 05:09, 3 October 2017 (UTC) reply

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An article on this topic was AfD'd ( Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/James Thompson (American politician)) with a close of redirect to Kansas's 4th congressional district special election, 2017 a month ago. A new article was created for the subject a few days ago. Totally AGF, the creator did not know that the article had existed and was redirected. Now that the article is fleshed out, it's clear to me that the original redirect was the correct decision, as most of the content of the article is about the election, not the candidate. The candidate fails WP:GNG with not enough coverage about him, the person, and fails WP:NPOL as a failed political candidate for office. The first AfD's closing admin suggested a redirect but in deference to the contributors, I've chosen to open a new AfD instead. –  Muboshgu ( talk) 18:56, 25 September 2017 (UTC) reply

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• Speedy redirect no reason not to assume good faith on the article creation, but I see no reason to change the decision (no new notability data or reasoning). I was involved in the original discussion but did not take a position either way. If new information about notability of the subject has been found, that would change things.-- Paul McDonald ( talk) 20:33, 25 September 2017 (UTC) reply

The original article, which I hadn't know existed, which apparently was little more than a stub. As of a few days ago I knew very little about Thompson except for his name and his rather extraordinary and notable recent electoral race. However, I was baffled when I looked him up on Wikipedia and there were only confusing redirects. I live a very long way, a three day drive from Wichita, where he practices. So I set to creating an article, not knowing that one had previously existed. I've made 30 or more edits to the article in the last few days, putting in probably 18 hours on it. Mine has background on his family of origin, including homelessness in Oklahoma, and his secondary education. He went into the U.S. Army and became a member of the presidential honor guard which also serves at burials at Arlington National Cemetery, a noteworthy post. He used the G.I. Bill to go to Wichita State where he majored in Political Science, then went on to get a law degree at Washburn University in the state capitol in Topeka. This is highly rated law school. He got married and has a daughter around 11 years old. He has a general practice and specialized in civil rights law and handled some notable cases. I've gotten the impression he's done considerable, important, pro bono work. He was very involved in organizing the Bernie Sanders campaign in Kansas. He's never run for any office before. When the incumbent, Mike Pompeo, was nominated by Trump to head the CIA, Thompson filed to run for the seat. He had no money, connections or endorsements. However, he did have a very steep challenge. The leading candidates for the post included the former multiple term house minority leader, a Democrat who became the state treasurer and was known for turning his home city, Greensburg, into a "green" community, after a monumental tornado leveled that town. The former multiple term Sedgwick county treasurer, who won two races for the post of Kansas Treasurer, jumped into the race, as did the former nine-term Republican 4th District congressman. The Democratic nominee for the seat in 2012 was also in the race. So a complete political unknown wound up winning the nomination in the district caucus from a much loved establishment candidate with a statewide reputation. On the Republican side the two-time State Treasurer won. A libertarian candidate was also on the ballot. Although this was essentially the first test for a Trump surrogate, the national Democratic party did nothing for Thompson, with the new head of the Democratic National Committee, former Labor Secretary Tom Perez, emphatically stating he would get no help from the DNC. The national Democratic Congressional Campaign Committee also ignored him, though the party spent over $10 million a week later challenging a seat that was thought possibly winnable in Georgia. The only endorsement Thompson got was the Sanders-affiliated "Our Revolution." The DCC finally wound up getting involved doing a single robocall, the day before the election, and after the absentee ballots had already been cast, when a poll showed Thompson had risen from 30 points behind to within single digits with very little money and a novice, almost entirely volunteer campaign staff. The state party, flush with dough and having vigorously supported the establishment candidate in the caucus, and embarrassed by its adamant refusal to give him anything at all, finally came across with $3,000 a week before the election. This was expected to be a slam dunk for the Republican party, which had won the seat by an average margin of over 30% for the previous 13 years, and had been gerrymandered to be even more conservative, and had taken it from an incumbent in 1994. Trump won the district by 27 points in November, and the "D"s last won it in a high turnout presidential election year, 1992. Special elections in off-years tend to be very low turnout and strongly tend conservative. Estes had a 60% advantage in campaign contributions and SuperPAC money flooding in on top of that, where Thompson had none. Mike Pence and other national figures did robocalls for Estes and Ted Cruz came up from Texas for a fundraiser/rally. The SuperPAC TV ads were what the regional paper called "venomous," mendaciously accusing Thompson of advocating for taxpayer-funded, late term abortions, a complete fabrication. In the only debate Estes he attended, he accused Thompson of supporting Planned Parenthood, which Estes said ("fake news alert")was profiting from fetal tissue, the product of abortions, which was another complete lie. This is in a city where conservatives publicly celebrated the assassination of an abortion almost exactly eight years earlier. So Thompson, with virtually no party support and in the face of immense opposition, reduced the win margin of the Republican candidate by about 80%. I am reminded of the Samuel Johnson quote: (it)... is like a dog's walking on his hind legs. It is not done well; but you are surprised to find it done at all." Now if that isn't notable, and I have been an intense student of electoral politics for a very long time, I can't imagine what might be considered so. Thompson filed for the 2018 election for the seat. The country, I expect, will be paying attention. Activist ( talk) 22:17, 25 September 2017 (UTC) reply

Comment Wikipedia does not exist for the advancement of a political cause. The reasons given above seem to me to be supporting deletion. On "expecting" the country to pay attention, that is essentially WP:CRYSTAL (using a crystal ball to predict the future) and Wikipedia does not speculate. NOTE: The editor may be correct... but we don't generally create encyclopedia articles about something that might happen in the future. That said, I've removed my "speedy" and go with just re-direct. There is no harm that I can see in having this AFD run its course--the other option would be closing here and going to deletion review and that seems to be more of a problem and less of a solution. AFD is not infallible, and maybe consensus made a mistake last time... let's find out.-- Paul McDonald ( talk) 14:01, 26 September 2017 (UTC) reply

• Delete defeated candidates for US congress are not notable. Inordinate coverage due to this being a special election does not change that basic fact. John Pack Lambert ( talk) 03:08, 26 September 2017 (UTC) reply
• Delete Fails WP:NPOL, all coverage relates to his failed run for office. AusLondonder ( talk) 03:41, 26 September 2017 (UTC) reply
• Redirect Many of the details in the article can be incorporated into the article about the special election, and the history could be preserved if the subject wins election to a notable office. The community consensus is that candidates for elected office do not possess inherent notability even if the campaign is notable (see WP:BLP1E). -- Enos733 ( talk) 03:57, 26 September 2017 (UTC) reply
• Keep. WP:NPOL is not an absolute ban on articles about not-elected politicians. It's a guideline that advises us that candidates for office are not guaranteed to be notable, but that "such people can still be notable if they meet the primary notability criterion of 'significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subject of the article'". There is significant coverage of Thompson in reliable sources [4] [5] [6] [7] [8] [9] [10] [11], ergo he passes the WP:GNG. –  Joe ( talk) 07:58, 26 September 2017 (UTC) reply
  • Much of that is the WP:ROUTINE coverage of a candidate nominated for office in a special election. It's the reason we have NPOL. –  Muboshgu ( talk) 16:05, 26 September 2017 (UTC) reply
• Keep I became aware of what I presumed was a surprising lack of an article on this candidate because I'm a member of the Kansas project (as well as a number of other states from around the U.S.). My response to the absence was to create one, and my attention had been drawn to election itself because there were numerous issues involved that made it rapidly move rapidly from relative obscurity, to prominence on the national political radar. Mike Pence and other national Republican figures were involved in a huge late effort to retain this long heavily Republican seat, which suddenly seemed endangered, within the majority. Thompson, an obscure, grossly underfunded and negligibly-supported candidate, had rapidly and spectacularly closed on a well known opponent. Trump weighed in on it just hours after the polls closed. The process and the results were themselves quite remarkable, as I've indicated above. This election reminds one of the special Senate election held in January 2010 which produced a significant upset when Scott Brown won the Senate seat formerly held for 48 years by Ted Kennedy. A similar election in British Columbia led to the founding of the New Democrat third party. Editors might find this By-election article interesting,

A 2016 study of special elections to the United States House of Representatives found "that while candidate characteristics affect special election outcomes, presidential approval is predictive of special election outcomes as well. Furthermore, we find that the effect of presidential approval on special election outcomes has increased in magnitude from 1995 to 2014, with the 2002 midterm representing an important juncture in the nationalization of special elections."

Activist ( talk) 09:33, 26 September 2017 (UTC) reply

There is not a disagreement about what you write above, but all of this information can be contained in the article about the election itself. With limited exceptions, the community consensus is that losing candidates for federal offices are redirected into the page about the election, or to a list of candidates from a particular party (see WP:POLOUTCOMES). The exceptions usually involve internationalization of the coverage of the candidate (i.e. significant coverage in Canada about a local candidate in the US, sometimes measured in the sheer scope of contemporary coverage) (but internationlization is not always sufficient) or an evaluation that the subject would meet WP:GNG independent of the campaign (and the focus of the article would be about the subject's other activities, rather than politics). I believe this consensus appropriately protects the subjects (candidates) and this wiki project. -- Enos733 ( talk) 18:08, 26 September 2017 (UTC) reply

• Keep - Seems to have significant coverage in both national and international outlets. I just removed the NPOV statements in the article, so I see no reason to delete it, as it is well-sourced. RileyBugz ^会話 _投稿記録 21:01, 27 September 2017 (UTC) reply
• KEEP: This man will be running for office next year and is already declared and fund raising. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2605:e000:cd48:ba00:ece1:52bf:2bef:edff ( talk) 21:52, 29 September 2017
  • There is no Wikipedia policy cited in this vote so it can be disregarded. –  Muboshgu ( talk) 21:27, 29 September 2017 (UTC) reply
  • Could be (theoretically) if there is significant coverage to pass WP:GNG... but I cannot find any. Therefore, it's just a prediction and falls under WP:CRYSTAL (crystal ball of the future) and as stated above, that's not a reason to keep an article.-- Paul McDonald ( talk) 01:24, 30 September 2017 (UTC) reply
  • Being an as yet unelected candidate in a future election does not get a person a Wikipedia article in and of itself. A person has to win the election and thereby hold office, not just run, to get an article for being involved in an election in and of itself — otherwise, you have to either show that he already passed a Wikipedia inclusion criterion for some other reason independent of the candidacy, or that his candidacy garnered so much media coverage (e.g. Christine O'Donnell, whose coverage went international) that his candidacy was significantly more notable than most other candidacies. Bearcat ( talk) 17:47, 2 October 2017 (UTC) reply
• Redirect to the election article. Candidates do not get Wikipedia articles just for being candidates per se — outside of very rare special cases like the international media firestorm that ate Christine O'Donnell, a person has to win the election, not just run in it, before "was an election candidate" constitutes a valid notability claim in and of itself. But isn't referenced to anything like enough coverage about him to make his candidacy more notable than most other non-winning candidacies — it's referenced to the WP:ROUTINE type and volume of election coverage that's simply expected to always exist in any election. To make a candidate notable just for the fact of being a candidate, the candidacy coverage has to explode far outside of the norm, the way O'Donnell's did — raw tables of election results and glancing namechecks of his existence in routine coverage of the race itself, which is what nearly all of the sources here are, are not enough. Bearcat ( talk) 17:54, 2 October 2017 (UTC) reply
• redirect to relevant election article, per policy. Coverage is not significant enough and subject does not meet Wikipedia:NPOLITICIAN. Wikipedia is not a soapbox or a stump for political hopefuls to publicize their campaigns. Dlohcierekim ( talk) 02:27, 3 October 2017 (UTC) reply

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The result was delete. Malcolmxl5 ( talk) 16:23, 27 September 2017 (UTC) reply

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No indication of notability after a search for independent, reliable sources that suggests the organisation passes the relevant notability guidelines. The sourcing is also poor and without any reliable sources I struggle to see how this can be rectified. DrStrauss talk 16:36, 10 September 2017 (UTC) reply

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• Delete Has not accrued significant (third party) coverage and as such fails WP:ORGDEPTH.-- SamHolt6 ( talk) 04:37, 17 September 2017 (UTC) reply

• Delete insufficient coverage in reliable sources to build an article. Antrocent ( ♫♬) 19:18, 25 September 2017 (UTC) reply
• Delete -- No IRS records for nonprofit found. Rhadow ( talk) 21:05, 25 September 2017 (UTC) reply

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The result was delete. ansh 666 05:09, 3 October 2017 (UTC) reply

Obituary - a grave beginning

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A search for sources reveals little coverage in major media sources. Most of the coverage is on Reddit which isn't a reliable source. Furthermore the article is all plot. DrStrauss talk 16:18, 10 September 2017 (UTC) reply

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• Draftify: No sources provided, but a plausible number of Google hits, and provided that it can be improved in the draftspace. ToThAc ( talk) 00:13, 29 September 2017 (UTC) reply

Only if someone is planning to incubate it... czar 03:05, 2 October 2017 (UTC) reply

• Delete Unsourced and not likely to develop any WP:RS in the near future. Eggishorn (talk) (contrib) 21:06, 2 October 2017 (UTC) reply
• delete Lacks RS, fails GNG. No need to draftify. Dlohcierekim ( talk) 02:30, 3 October 2017 (UTC) reply

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The result was delete. Yikes, a 4-relist discussion. Anyways, no discussion of BD2412's proposal seems to be forthcoming, and consensus even before seems to be that the article should be deleted. ansh 666 20:34, 2 October 2017 (UTC) reply

Alaska Fighting Championship

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New version was deemed to different from the last AfD deleted version for A7 so that speedy was declined but the PROD with the reason - no real references, and a previous version was deleted due to notability concerns that these references do not address - could not be done either so here we are. PRehse ( talk) 12:50, 20 August 2017 (UTC) reply

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• Delete No indication of notability and no significant independent coverage. The sources are someone's blog, some fight results, and a bunch of articles saying their future events will be at the Alaska Airlines Center. In other words, nothing that shows this promotion is notable. In addition, the article is simply a list of blank fight cards for upcoming events. This promotion wasn't notable before and I don't see where that has changed. Papaursa ( talk) 02:12, 22 August 2017 (UTC) reply
• Delete Fails GNG and WP:SPIP, references fail WP:CORPDEPTH and/or WP:ORGIND. -- HighKing ⁺⁺ 15:09, 22 August 2017 (UTC) reply
• Comment everything bad Papaursa says about the article is accurate; I've removed the blank fight cards from the article. I'm unwilling to say this doesn't meet GNG, but can't find any articles that suggest it does either. Power~enwiki ( talk) 01:52, 24 August 2017 (UTC) reply
• Weak keep We encourage content building that fundamentally confuses the difference between an encyclopedia and a news site and gives undue weight to whatever low-hanging fruit Google dumps in one's lap. Resultantly, we see a pair of articles created solely to parrot a press conference, all the while ignoring the actual reliable sources out there. Such a stance has been furthered by others throughout this process. For instance, multiple reliable sources show that Sarah Johnston Lormier has been the owner or managing partner of the promotion since 2007. In this article, however, we have an infobox entry which refers to a Twitter handle sourced to a blog (and she isn't the founder, either). This AFD's nominator then proceeds to "fill in blank references" instead of bothering to scrutinize their reliability. Then I see a participant in the other AFD make a big deal out of BLP concerns because some fighters scheduled for the card were named (and predictably enough, that article was deleted anyway). Aside from the hilarity and potential irony of one of those fighters having the surname "Minus", that "problem" is downright innocuous compared to what I describe above. What a train wreck. This sort of going through the motions is precisely why I've cut way back on patrolling new pages.

A news archive search mostly of the Anchorage Daily News (search index accessible from adnsearch.com) shows that the promotion's coverage is heavy on its UFC affiliation in general, including emphasis given to the appearance of Chuck Liddell and Dana White at past events, as well as the promotion serving as a career springboard for Andy Enz, Nic Herron-Webb and Lauren Murphy (BTW, the timing of the last attempt at an AFC article coincides with a point in Enz's career ascent and associated coverage, but some of us are at a disadvantage to judge that if we can't view the content). Coverage related to the press conference states that the UFC deal figures into the decision to move to the Alaska Airlines Center. The focal point of that coverage was not that particular point or even AFC, but rather how the Sullivan Arena continues to lose business to their upstart competitor, to the extent of failing to point out that the Sullivan can be rented out as a half house, whether AFC has done so and whether therefore the move represents a step up or step down in terms of how many tickets they can sell.

Considering all that, the ADN has run a small handful of 1,500 to 2,000-word stories substantially about the promotion dating back to its first six months of existence in 2004, which combined give a halfway credible telling. Stories state that AFC has been among the Sullivan's top three tenants for most of its existence, along with the Aces and Seawolves hockey teams (the former of which also pulled out this year), that they've enjoyed attendance figures comparable to those events (with the caveat that the best-attended events were perhaps the 2006 co-promotions with concerts such as Drowning Pool and Naughty by Nature, plus the event where Liddell appeared) and that the popularity of AFC and MMA in general in Alaska has been influential enough to spur minor public outrage on occasion and to call for reinstating Alaska's defunct athletic commission. I'd suspect that coverage from other outlets does exist, even if they're hard to find. The all-inclusive search function found at Wikipedia:WikiProject Mixed martial arts/sources doesn't work as intended. Still, the "development" of the article thus far reflects the results of the same Google search I made, leaving me skeptical that any of those MMA sources were consulted. RadioKAOS / Talk to me, Billy / Transmissions 02:36, 27 August 2017 (UTC) reply

Could you post some of the articles you found? That site is a bit difficult to navigate. Mr. Magoo ( talk) 05:51, 30 August 2017 (UTC) reply

Try this and this. Contrary to what others in this discussion have attempted to claim, the non-routine hits found at those links alone plainly satisfy WP:RS and WP:V. I still don't have the time to go through everything, but what I've read appears to also satisfy WP:SIGCOV, though not to a great extent. The aforementioned sources page at WP:MMA speaks of the importance of non-MMA-specific sources so as not to create the impression of a walled garden. Unless, however, I'm supposed to believe that such a statement applies only to that page and not to this page or the article under discussion. This is a perfectly reasonable conclusion to reach after reading some of the arguments here, the latest being to categorically excuse away local media coverage as "routine", all the while continuing to demonstrate that zero effort has been made by anyone but myself to actually examine those sources. Last I checked, WP:V has nothing to do with how much low-hanging fruit a Google search returns, which appears to be the "notability standard" being applied here by everyone else. RadioKAOS / Talk to me, Billy / Transmissions 02:03, 16 September 2017 (UTC) reply

• delete I didn't find anything that shows the UFC and AFC are actually affiliated, except for both being MMA promotions. Local coverage of sporting events doesn't seem like enough to show notability and doesn't WP:GNG say there should be multiple sources and that "multiple publications by the same person or organization are considered to be a single source"? User RadioKAOS seems to say that the AFC is notable because some people have attended their events or once competed for them, but that doesn't mean the AFC is notable. Sandals1 ( talk) 13:15, 4 September 2017 (UTC) reply
• Merge and redirect to Mixed martial arts#Promotions - no evidence of sufficient standalone notability but the sparse coverage suggests it would fit right in as a sentence or two in the promotions section of the MMA article. TimTempleton ^{(talk) (cont)} 18:50, 5 September 2017 (UTC) reply

Just a comment on the merge suggestion; the target article says, there are hundreds of MMA promotions around the world. If there really are hundreds of them, and this one isn't notable, would adding it there be a case of WP:UNDUE? -- RoySmith (talk) 21:45, 5 September 2017 (UTC) reply

That's a valid concern, but I found a way to get around that with guidelines I set for another article I created - Meal kit. There are reportedly 150 meal kit companies, so the list there could likewise get unwieldy, but I put in some editing notes to ask that contributors not add any company to the list unless there is a) a Wikipedia article on that company or b) significant indepth media coverage in at least one reliable notable third party publication. Companies that already have their own articles are wiki-linked, and companies with coverage but not an article (yet) are just sourced with that coverage. This acts as a stepping stone and creates three tiers of companies, only two of which appear on the list. So correspondingly non-notable MMA organizations would not be added. Once the list gets too long, it could be spun off as a standalone list. TimTempleton ^{(talk) (cont)} 22:19, 5 September 2017 (UTC) reply

• Delete -- a directory-like entry on an entity with not indications of notability or significance. The article consists of trivia such as:

• In July it was announced via social media that the AFC had signed a deal with the University of Alaska Anchorage campus arena Alaska Airlines Center for the 2017-2018 fight season!

The merge / redirect would not be appropriate in this case, so delete. K.e.coffman ( talk) 05:28, 9 September 2017 (UTC) reply

• Keep User RadioKaos has demonstrated that the promotion is noteworthy due to the fact that it's been written about in media and that it's attendance is notable enough to put it level with other acts from different media. I don't think this warrants a deletion, if people are upset about the page, then a compromise could be to create a list of North American MMA promotions. Egaoblai ( talk) 08:16, 13 September 2017 (UTC) reply

Routine sports coverage in the local paper is insufficient to show notability. Crowd size does not prove notability, or every major college football game would have an article. No one has shown any significant coverage in any sources, much less the multiple ones required by WP:GNG. Papaursa ( talk) 15:45, 15 September 2017 (UTC) reply

• Delete as failing WP:GNG and WP:SPIP per HighKing. And, as Papaursa points out, the size of the event doesn't necessarily impact notability. Ifnord ( talk) 18:06, 15 September 2017 (UTC) reply

It's a little too blatant that just about everyone else here has come to this discussion with their mind already made up. Among the non-routine hits found in the links I provide above, there are multiple stories which refer to their attendance levels as being significant among local events in general. There is another story, by the Associated Press and not a "local yokel newspaper", which devotes several paragraphs to AFC's role in the athletic commission issue. This is coverage by reliable sources which demonstrates their impact on the real world, a place which some of you ought to try experiencing sometime. If you're expecting me to take a severely filtered view of few particular sources at face value, well, I can get that kind of POV from their websites without having to see it mindlessly repeated here. As has already been demonstrated with prior AFDs of this sort, you're expecting me to believe that if a promotion existed which consistently drew 50 people to the Muldoon Boys & Girls Club gymnasium yet were quite skilled at manipulating the media, that I'm supposed to pretend that they're "notable" if someone comes along and pulls the "right" sources out of their ass. RadioKAOS / Talk to me, Billy / Transmissions 02:29, 16 September 2017 (UTC) reply

• Delete - lack of significant coverage so fails WP:GNG. PhilKnight ( talk) 22:31, 15 September 2017 (UTC) reply
• Delete - The article has been up for about a month and the sources provided are so few. It does not look notable either since if it was, it would have more sources at least. Huitzilopochtli1990 ( talk) 22:49, 16 September 2017 (UTC) reply
• Suppose we were to break out a new article for Mixed martial arts promotions and merge it there? bd2412 T 02:51, 17 September 2017 (UTC)

• Delete - I changed my vote to delete from merge and redirect and struck my old vote. I revisited this and reviewed the coverage, and based on the limited reliable sources I found, this event does not demonstrate notability, even for inclusion on an article simply listing notable promotions. TimTempleton ^{(talk) (cont)} 19:31, 25 September 2017 (UTC) reply

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The result was no consensus. Opinions are roughly split equally between keeping and deleting. Ritchie333 ^{(talk) (cont)} 12:57, 3 October 2017 (UTC) reply

Ormideia FC

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Fails WP:NSPORT for football clubs WP:NORG. De-prodded by page creator without rationale. DrStrauss talk 13:14, 17 September 2017 (UTC) reply

• Keep - A team that has participation at 3rd and 4th level of national league system. If I have understand correctly you don't think that teams from 3rd and 4th level of national league system are notable. But why not? This is not happened for other countries? That levels are national. Xaris333 ( talk) 13:24, 17 September 2017 (UTC) reply

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• Keep It would appear that we have articles on all clubs that play in the third/fourth tiers in Cyprus. In addition, the deletion rationale is completely invalid as WP:NSPORT does not apply to football clubs (from the guideline: "It is not intended that this guideline should apply to sports clubs and teams"). Number 5 7 09:06, 18 September 2017 (UTC) reply
  • Regarding the WP:OSE comment below, it would appear that the editor is unaware that OSE is an entirely valid reason for keeping articles ("When used correctly, these comparisons are important as the encyclopedia should be consistent in the content that it provides or excludes"). But anyway, a cursory search of Greek language hits for the club's name suggests that there are plenty of sources on the club. This could probably do with a Greek speaker helping out, but I find it concerning that WP:SYSTEMATICBIAS may be in play here given how low down the ladder we allow articles on clubs in English speaking countries. Number 5 7 22:08, 18 September 2017 (UTC) reply

• @ Number 57: I've updated my nomination to correct that. DrStrauss talk 17:23, 18 September 2017 (UTC) reply

• Keep per above it plays 3rd and 4th level of national league system . Pharaoh of the Wizards ( talk) 19:36, 18 September 2017 (UTC) reply

But, to be notable, the team has to play at the highest level. Four levels down fails criteria. Ifnord ( talk) 17:44, 25 September 2017 (UTC) reply

• Delete -- for lack of reliable sources that discuss the subject directly and in detail ( WP:N). If participation in the 3rd and 4th divisions are considered to confer notability, then I this view is too permissive. In any case, the sports clubs are not covered by WP:NSPORT, so there's not guideline that specifies that 3rd and 4th-tier clubs are by default notable; they need to meet WP:GNG. The other "Keep" rationale is along the lines of WP:OSE: "It would appear that we have articles on all clubs that play in the third/fourth tiers in Cyprus".

The article contains no encyclopedically relevant prose and consists of nothing but a stats table. Wikipedia is not an indiscriminate collection of information. No sources have been presented at this AfD; an article should not be kept without sources being demonstrated. K.e.coffman ( talk) 20:44, 18 September 2017 (UTC) reply

• Keep Meets the relevant guidelines as stated above. If people believe the guidelines should be changed, they should establish consensus to change them, not arbitrarily pick off articles one by one. Smartyllama ( talk) 20:49, 19 September 2017 (UTC) reply

@ Smartyllama: Could you indicate which guidelines you have in mind? I'm asking because it was pointed out above that WP:NSPORT does not apply to football clubs. If you could clarify, that would be great. K.e.coffman ( talk) 06:48, 20 September 2017 (UTC) reply

Consensus is that clubs who have played in a national cup are notable. This doesn't necessarily grant notability to the players on these teams, but the clubs themselves are notable. Smartyllama ( talk) 12:42, 20 September 2017 (UTC) reply

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• Keep - Passes FOOTYN, has played in a national competition. Seems to generate plenty of coverage, such as this. Fenix down ( talk) 11:21, 21 September 2017 (UTC) reply
• Keep - meets football club notability requirements, having played in the national cup. Giant Snowman 20:46, 21 September 2017 (UTC) reply
• Delete - Does not meet football club notability, which requires teams to play in the national cup (or the national level of the league structure in countries where no cup exists). It is unverifiable that Ormideia FC has played in the Cypriot Cup, which is the national cup of Cyprus. Failing the sports club notability criterion, WP:GNG has to be met for it to pass notability but I'm unable to locate any significant coverage of reliable sources that are independent of the topic. — Za wl 10:32, 24 September 2017 (UTC) reply
• Delete per Zawl. Four levels down from the top league doesn't make a team notable. Ifnord ( talk) 17:43, 25 September 2017 (UTC) reply

• Delete Low level team that is not-notable. Sportsfan 1234 ( talk) 02:51, 2 October 2017 (UTC) reply
• Delete No independent evidence this team has played for a national cup and it is only a low tier team. There is evidence from sources that this team exists but nothing rises to the level notability. Fails WP:ORG and WP:N, which are the applicable guidelines. Nothing in WikiProject Football indicates notability for this team. Hence, it also fails WP:FPL. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Steve Quinn ( talk • contribs) 18:54, 2 October 2017 (UTC) reply

Also, Wikipedia is not a farm for statistics and is not a sports magazine. --- Steve Quinn ( talk) 19:13, 2 October 2017 (UTC) reply

• delete lacks RS. Fails GNG. Primary sources. fails WP:NORG. Dlohcierekim ( talk) 02:33, 3 October 2017 (UTC) reply

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The result was delete. ansh 666 05:11, 3 October 2017 (UTC) reply

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Appears non-notable, as a game and as a series. There is an interview with Nyu Media, but that is WP:PRIMARY and the other article about it is sponsored WP:PROMO content. Most sources are brief, non-significant mentions besides Hardcore Gaming 101. _{ZXCVBNM ( TALK)} 16:45, 3 September 2017 (UTC) reply

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Delete fails WP:GNG. Videogameplayer99 ( talk) 16:07, 10 September 2017 (UTC) reply

• I see this one as likely to be notable, even with only a single English work to be had on the full topic, given its age and the fact its getting a western release after nearly two decades since original release. Since we don't have an article on the original developers, we might reasonably redirect to Kamui (video game) (where it is mentioned) or the re-publishing entity's page at Nyu Media. -- Izno ( talk) 04:30, 18 September 2017 (UTC) reply
  • Based on the refs in Kamui (video game) that one doesn't seem notable either. They could potentially be combined into a Tale of Alltynex article... IF they were notable, which it doesn't seem they are. Ultimately it's probably best that both be deleted. Redirecting to Nyu Media would be a bit unnecessary, since they are merely "a" publisher of the game, not even its original publisher or developer. It seems like it would be a pointless redirect. _{ZXCVBNM ( TALK)} 05:19, 19 September 2017 (UTC) reply
    • They aren't notable with what we have in English media, is what I'm referring to. There might exist Japanese media with content, especially from the time period near the original release. -- Izno ( talk) 16:03, 20 September 2017 (UTC) reply
      • Given that it's similarly unreferenced on the Japanese wiki, I doubt it. If someone wants to do a deep dive into Japanese sources and re-create the article that is fine, but there is no evidence currently that it's notable. _{ZXCVBNM ( TALK)} 23:56, 20 September 2017 (UTC) reply

• delete No sources extant. NO RS. Fails GNG Dlohcierekim ( talk) 02:35, 3 October 2017 (UTC) reply

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The result was no consensus. defaulting to keep. Promotional concerns can be cleaned up through editing. ansh 666 20:48, 2 October 2017 (UTC) reply

Luigi Nocivelli

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I am having difficulty finding more than passing mentions online. Article is definitely promotional. Fails GNG.  —  Mr. Guye ( talk) ( contribs)  01:51, 4 September 2017 (UTC) reply

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Chevalier de la Légion d'honneur seems a reasonable indication of notability. Rathfelder ( talk) 20:35, 5 September 2017 (UTC) reply

• Chevalier de la Légion d'honneur is a low-level title, roughly equivalent to an MBE in the United Kingdom, which my father was, but it's two or three levels below anything that would grant automatic notability. 86.17.222.157 ( talk) 20:47, 7 September 2017 (UTC) reply

The Chevalier de la Légion d'honneur is an indicator of notability, however this article needs to be de- PROMOed which would reduce it to a stub. It is unclear whether WP:GNG is met here. Α Guy into Bοοks™  § ( Message) -  08:04, 10 September 2017 (UTC) reply

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The result was delete. czar 03:04, 2 October 2017 (UTC) reply

Blood (Spanish band)

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An article entirely sourced by WP:PRIMARY websites managed by the band. No particular improvements have been made and a WP:BEFORE search did not produce any significant secondary sources. TheGracefulSlick ( talk) 04:35, 10 September 2017 (UTC) reply

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• Comment: every (non-RS) article I've found on the band so far suggests that they split up in 2013, so finding recent sources online to show their notability might prove tricky. Richard3120 ( talk) 22:01, 12 September 2017 (UTC) reply

• Delete -- no indications of meeting WP:NBAND and no SIGCOV to meet GNG. K.e.coffman ( talk) 22:19, 30 September 2017 (UTC) reply
• Delete: fails WP:GNG and WP:BAND, and as they have disbanded, there's unlikely to be any coverage in the future. Richard3120 ( talk) 15:18, 1 October 2017 (UTC) reply
• Delete. Non-notable, fails WP:GNG and WP:MUSIC. Lack of significant coverage in reliable sources. — Za wl 15:59, 1 October 2017 (UTC) reply

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The result was delete. czar 03:03, 2 October 2017 (UTC) reply

Manuel Freire-Garabal y Núñez

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The whole article seems rather fishy. The "Society of the Knights of Elviña" has no google hits except for this article. The "Royal Dynastic House of Morris" in totally unknown to anyone except that it has a facebook page; it's probably some fictional country. Likewise nothing can be found at all about the "Royal Institute of Historical, Political and Art Studies Alfonso XIII" or the "Royal Institute of Fine Arts Narciso de Estenaga". The "International Journal of Doctrine and Jurisprudence" which is alleged to have published an article from this person does not seem to exist. The awards which he allegedly received seem made up (again, Knights of Elvina, "House of Morris", etc. -- MF-W 13:47, 3 September 2017 (UTC) reply

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• Comment "House of Morris" is a royal Welsh family house, not a house from a country called "Morris". Also, keep in mind that not all sources on this person will necessarily be available via the Internet, and that other sources such as printed books not available electronically may cover him. The likely existence of such sources is often considered sufficient reason to retain such articles. But I am not !voting "Keep" here, and have not reviewed the existing sources nor made any effort to find new ones myself. Just pointing out a few things. KDS4444 ^{( talk)} 23:22, 3 September 2017 (UTC) reply

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• Keep The translation into English is clumsy to say the least, but the sources are credible and do corroborate much of this. It is necessary to search on the Spanish terms given in the sources – sure, there is no trace of an "International Journal of Doctrine and Jurisprudence", but Revista Internacional de Doctrina y Jurisprudencia is real enough, as are Instituto de Estudios Historicos Politicos de Ciencias y Artes Rey Alfonso XIII, Real Instituto Narciso de Estenaga and La Sociedad de Caballeros de Elviña. (Note: I see that sources were added after this deletion discussion was opened) : Noyster (talk), 10:25, 10 September 2017 (UTC) reply
  • OK, I refuted the original argument, but let it go : Noyster (talk), 13:00, 26 September 2017 (UTC) reply

• Delete still not enough to pass the notability guidelines for academics. John Pack Lambert ( talk) 03:52, 26 September 2017 (UTC) reply
• Delete. Does not pass WP:Prof. Xxanthippe ( talk) 12:22, 26 September 2017 (UTC). reply

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The result was no consensus defaulting to keep. ansh 666 20:50, 2 October 2017 (UTC) reply

Russell Geoffrey Banks

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Non-notable actor lacking in-depth, non-trivial support. References consist primarily of single line mentions - lacks strong WP:SECONDARY support. Awards appear to be minor in nature. WP:TOOSOON applies. reddogsix ( talk) 20:59, 3 September 2017 (UTC) reply

Keep - Non-notable actor lacking in-depth, this is your opinion. If you google and see that his latest movie trailer has over 6 million views combined his rank on imdb is good his other latest film is in the cinema right now in multiple countrys. References are either whole reviews about him in movies or actual videos. Imdb is the movie data base i trust that alot more the redodgsix. If your not a horror fan fair enough but that doesnt mean your opinion is right. Just google his name and you can see he is worthy of being on here. This is a review from movie pilot one of the biggest film sites on the net.Russell Geoffrey Banks is the real star here, and his performance is one of the finest I've seen in a horror film as of late. https://moviepilot.com/p/whos-watching-oliver-horror-influences/4286920 Maybe the page might need to be altered certainly not deleted.— Preceding unsigned comment added by Chezleblanc ( talk • contribs)

Comment - You seem to be under the impression Wikipedia "notability" is related to "real-world" notability. This is not the case. The popularity of the movie trailer has no bearing on his WP:N - unfortunately notability is not inherited. The references are with very few exceptions single line mentions of him or reviews of the movies he is in. There is an issue with using IMDB, it can be added to without editorial supervision and unlike Wikipedia, is not subject to correction by the community. If one Googles the actor's name, using quotation marks to restrict the search, there are only 167 entries. Far from all are significant mentions of the search subject. The movie pilot article is a great start. If you can find more like this that would push the article to a keep. reddogsix ( talk) 23:15, 3 September 2017 (UTC) reply

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Comment - If one Googles the actor's name, using quotation marks to restrict the search, there are only 167 entries. I think your google isn't working I have just googled using quotations Russell Geoffrey Banks and I can see he is on over 100.000 sites same on Yahoo most of them are on film and horror sites.The awards if you're a horror fan they are certainly of note, for example, horror hound weekend is one of the biggest horror conventions. IMDB is the standard for the film every credit has to be approved by the film in questions production. http://www.imdb.com/name/nm3086789/. You can go on to netflix and see a list of his movies. one the links was an interview with the actor http://horrorgeeklife.com/2017/06/18/whos-watching-oliver-interview/. in the cultured vultures review they said Russell Geoffrey Banks completely transforms himself into Oliver. A lesser actor might have turned this very comic character into a caricature. Oliver’s believability hinges on Banks’ performance, and he pulls it off. https://culturedvultures.com/whos-watching-oliver-2017-review/ this was on the magazines horrorfreak news a large horror website Co-writer Russell Geoffrey Banks delivers a wonderfully awkward and pained performance as the title character — which from the get-go had me thinking that he must have studied the work of Billy Bob Thornton as Carl in the Oscar-winning wonder, Sling Blade. With a similar hunched body language and a pronounced under-bite, Banks (who from all accounts appears to be a pretty handsome guy) transforms into a character who has been thrown down at every turn of his life. And once we learn his very dark history (via some drawings he shares with his unnamed cat — I loved this scene), the sympathy for this murderous and odd character begins to seep in. Eventually, you’ll come to like Oliver a great deal. And this is a credit to Banks. Oliver’s not always in a great mood and so Banks offers up several sides to Oliver — portraying this character’s many emotions (heartbreak, frustration, confusion) and all to equally great effect. http://horrorfreaknews.com/whos-watching-oliver-2017-review you will see the same type of interviews on all the biggest horror sites from the last few months.

http://www.dreadcentral.com/reviews/227293/whos-watching-oliver-2017/

https://rue-morgue.com/movie-review-whos-watching-oliver-proves-homicidal-mamas-boys-can-still-get-to-you/

http://www.upcominghorrormovies.com/movie/whos-watching-oliver

http://bloody-disgusting.com/indie/3442296/whos-watching-oliver-trailer-goes-little-mad/

http://gingernutsofhorror.com/film-reviews/whos-watching-oliver

In films such a pernicious cam2cam ghost house you can also see he is spoken about. Obviously not to the same degree because that film he wasn't winning awards for and getting the same attention. With the commercials he has done I just put the direct link to where you can see them.

Also, i would like to point out that the actor's star meter ranking is extremely good proving that he is on 1000s of sites and he is being clicked on by fans. this is from IMDB Could someone "rig" the ratings by visiting an IMDb page repeatedly?

No. IMDb.com has more than 250 million unique monthly visitors. The STARmeterTM, MOVIEmeterTM, and COMPANYmeterTM rankings are based on a cumulative total of more than 3 billion page views per month. Furthermore, we have designed the ranking algorithm so that the actions of one user (or small group of users) have a limited impact; we monitor STARmeterTM rankings for any possible fraudulent traffic generation, and the algorithm is periodically improved to detect and neutralize any attempts to 'stuff the ballot'.

Now as I said the article may need changing but certainly doesn't warrant deleting.I would be extremely grateful if someone with better knowledge of Wikipedia than myself would make the appropriate changes thank you.

Links to to reviews that talk very highly about Russell Geoffrey Banks

http://morbidlybeautiful.com/review-whos-watching-oliver/

http://horrorgeeklife.com/2017/06/13/whos-watching-oliver-2017-review/

http://www.monkeysfightingrobots.com/review-whos-watching-oliver-would-make-norman-bates-uncomfortable/

http://horrorfreaknews.com/whos-watching-oliver-2017-review

http://www.screamhorrormag.com/whos-watching-oliver-film-review/

http://beneaththeunderground.com/film-review-whos-watching-oliver-2017/

https://www.pophorror.com/whos-watching-oliver-2017-movie-review/

http://gingernutsofhorror.com/film-reviews/whos-watching-oliver

http://bloody-disgusting.com/indie/3442296/whos-watching-oliver-trailer-goes-little-mad/

Comment - Google - Go to the last page that has entries for "Russell Geoffrey Banks", the number at the bottom it is significantly less than 100K - 100, maybe 200 hundred - I am not sure why Google shows up this way. As for the actor, granted he is getting some good press, let's see what the community says about keeping the article. BTW - See WP:IMDBREF and WP:RS/IMDB about the use of IMDB as a reference. reddogsix ( talk) 14:47, 4 September 2017 (UTC) reply

reddogsix as I can see you know a lot more about Wikipedia then myself. I would be eternally grateful if you would edit that page so it can stay on here.I am not very accomplished on here so if you could either delete the parts that should go or add the parts that should go on. even if it is a lot smaller but I do feel he is worthy of being on here. I am a horror and film fan and have been following his work for a number of years but this year I feel he deserves to be on here.Thank you I hope you will be able to help reddogsix and this is not asking to much.

• Keep as has prominent roles in notable productions so passes WP:NACTOR and the coverage shown above adds up to a pass of WP:GNG Atlantic306 ( talk) 22:48, 18 September 2017 (UTC) reply

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The result was delete. czar 03:01, 2 October 2017 (UTC) reply

Shyam Aryal

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Insufficient independent in-depth coverage in reliable sources - lack of WP:SIGCOV. Fails WP:BIO and WP:GNG. Promotional article. Previous AfD closed as "soft delete", so we need some real votes this time please! Edwardx ( talk) 21:43, 3 September 2017 (UTC) reply

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• Comment should look carefully keeping in mind the previous discussion, no international coverage, could be a delete than keep Chrisswill ( talk) 20:47, 6 September 2017 (UTC) reply

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• Delete no indications subject meets notability guidelines. John Pack Lambert ( talk) 17:42, 27 September 2017 (UTC) reply

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The result was no consensus. ansh 666 05:11, 3 October 2017 (UTC) reply

Larry Williams (basketball)

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Revisiting this since the prior AfD did not receive the proper turn-out to address the notability issue. Firstly, Williams never played a single game on a significant professional sports team; hence he fails WP:NHOOPS. On closer examination of the sources, we find they are mainly passing mentions which fall short of WP:GNG. TheGracefulSlick ( talk) 16:51, 10 September 2017 (UTC) reply

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• Delete - Per nominator since he did not play in a single professional game. Meatsgains ( talk) 17:35, 10 September 2017 (UTC) reply
• Comment - A short Google search turned up a couple articles about him that were note already on the page, a rather indepth one in the Japan Times and another on spin.ph. -- Dammit_steve ( talk) 18:11, 10 September 2017 (UTC) reply

• With the amount of commentary by Williams himself in those examples, I would almost consider them WP:PRIMARY sources. The rest of the sources in the article, as I mentioned, were in passing, not in-depth by any means. TheGracefulSlick ( talk) 18:27, 10 September 2017 (UTC) reply

• Weak keep The article is messy, but that's true of many articles on Wikipedia. I think Dammit steve's links would traditionally count for establishing notability. Williams didn't write those articles himself; journalists decided which quotations to use in the articles and decided how to construct the narratives. I wouldn't say that most streetballers are notable, but some streetball events, like the And1 tour, had a sizable fanbase. I think we at least have enough evidence that Larry Williams isn't just some random guy posting videos of himself on the internet; he had some genuine fame in the streetball world. Zagalejo ^^^ 19:45, 10 September 2017 (UTC) reply

• Delete does not meet our inclusion criteria for basketball players. John Pack Lambert ( talk) 04:10, 23 September 2017 (UTC) reply
• Strong keep- Everything I can find signifies that he is a notable streetball player and pop culture presence. He easily meets GNG. Google results list him as a streetball legend and icon. Just because he didn't play in the NBA doesn't mean he is not notable. ‡ Єl Cid of ᐺalencia ^ᐐT₳LKᐬ 17:46, 25 September 2017 (UTC) reply

To put another way, I think more people will look up Williams than would look up some member of the 1993 New York Knicks who appeared in one game off the bench. ‡ Єl Cid of ᐺalencia ^ᐐT₳LKᐬ 17:48, 25 September 2017 (UTC) reply

Actually, yes it does per WP:NHOOP...and I demonstrated why he does not "easily pass GNG". TheGracefulSlick ( talk) 17:58, 25 September 2017 (UTC) reply

As per the sports notability page "Failing to meet the criteria in this guideline means that notability will need to be established in other ways (e.g. the general notability guideline, or other, topic-specific, notability guidelines)." That is, failing to meet NHOOPS only means that it does not pass that specific measure of notability. I have found a lot of coverage of the individual and he certainly seems notable to me, and that explains my vote. ‡ Єl Cid of ᐺalencia ^ᐐT₳LKᐬ 18:52, 25 September 2017 (UTC) reply

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The result was delete. Jo-Jo Eumerus ( talk, contributions) 18:59, 2 October 2017 (UTC) reply

Jayanta Jillu

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Poet, Editor, Optometrist, Lawyer, SEO expert, Blogger and Facebook star. No references to substantial coverage in independent, reliable sources. Mduvekot ( talk) 17:54, 25 September 2017 (UTC) reply

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• Delete- no sign subject passes GNG. Vinegarymass911 ( talk) 18:42, 26 September 2017 (UTC) reply
• Delete looks like blatant self promotion created by a single purpose editor. LibStar ( talk) 13:57, 1 October 2017 (UTC) reply

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The result was delete. ansh 666 05:12, 3 October 2017 (UTC) reply

Danson foundation

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They may do good work, but there is not the type of coverage that demonstrates notability agtx 17:46, 25 September 2017 (UTC) reply

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I believe this is useful (which is why I began it) because it has considerable resources to dispense and Wiki should be a source for people to check whether to approach an organisation like this. I came across the organisation in the course of other enquiries. It is authenticated by media articles. As for whether it is "notable" - we could mark hundreds of thousands of Wiki entries for deletion is this was the only criterion! Good works are pretty notable, as far as I am concerned! So I plead its cause. Synopticus 29 september 2017

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• Delete per WP:GNG. Aside from one article about a disbursement from this charity, there is no significant coverage in independent, reliable sources. Wikipedia is not a directory of charitable organizations, legitimate or otherwise. That's what sites like Charity Navigator are for and they do it much better than we can. Eggishorn (talk) (contrib) 21:19, 2 October 2017 (UTC) reply

• delete I'm sure other stuff exists. I delete it when I can. This subject does not meet GNG, lacks RS, and Wikipedia is not a soapbox Dlohcierekim ( talk) 02:39, 3 October 2017 (UTC) reply

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Awaken online

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Declined WP:PROD. Non-notable book: no evidence of significant coverage by independent, reliable sources per WP:GNG or WP:NBOOK. The reviews added are self-published blogs. User reviews on Amazon.com are similarly user generated. While no doubt this book has received some attention from fans, it is WP:TOOSOON for inclusion in an encyclopedia. --Animalparty! ( talk) 16:28, 25 September 2017 (UTC) reply

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• Delete Self-published with no WP:RS coverage. Eggishorn (talk) (contrib) 21:08, 2 October 2017 (UTC) reply
• Delete. does not meet GNG or WP:NBOOK in that reviews are not significant enough. Search at Locusmag was unavailing. Worldcat not availing. Dlohcierekim ( talk) 02:49, 3 October 2017 (UTC) reply

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The result was keep. ansh 666 05:12, 3 October 2017 (UTC) reply

Louis Héron

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I don't think he is notable enough to grant an independant article. I found just passing references in some books, but almost no information at all. Arthistorian1977 ( talk) 15:09, 25 September 2017 (UTC) reply

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Keep but tidy up - see the French wikipedia, which has plenty of sources. These are in French. That's OK. Tony May ( talk) 17:31, 25 September 2017 (UTC) reply

• KeepWeak keep. Seems he was quite the butcher "François+Héron"+revolution&focus=searchwithinvolume&q="François+Héron". The french article is sourced. Icewhiz ( talk) 18:42, 25 September 2017 (UTC) Revised from WK to K following Smmurphy's mention of Biographie universelle entry and improvement to article. Icewhiz ( talk) 14:40, 26 September 2017 (UTC) reply
• Keep Added references. PatGallacher ( talk) 23:26, 25 September 2017 (UTC) reply
  • He was also a requested article. PatGallacher ( talk) 23:33, 25 September 2017 (UTC) reply
• Keep - entry in Biographie universelle seems to pass WP:ANYBIO, non? Smmurphy^{( Talk)} 14:35, 26 September 2017 (UTC) reply
• Keep The notability isn't clear from the article as it stands, but hopefully it will be improved. The references have now been added, which is a real bonus, although without being WP:INLINECITED and with so many, it is hard to see what information is verified and which isn't. However, its notability now seems clear, meets WP:ANYBIO and WP:GNG. Boleyn ( talk) 19:45, 26 September 2017 (UTC) reply
• Keep the numerous entries in documented material and the substantial size of the French article suggests this is notable with significant writings on the topic. Graeme Bartlett ( talk) 22:28, 27 September 2017 (UTC) reply
• Keep -- He seems to have articles in biographic dictionaries, which a normal category for being notable. The problem is that the article is still a stub. I suspect there is more in the French WP, but have not now checked. Peterkingiron ( talk) 22:00, 1 October 2017 (UTC) reply

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Airborn (band)

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Fails to meet notability criteria for bands, WP:BAND. Metal-archives and meta-temple are not reliable sources. Recordings have not charted. Mduvekot ( talk) 14:32, 25 September 2017 (UTC) reply

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• Delete. Non-notable, fails WP:GNG and WP:MUSIC. Lack of significant coverage in reliable sources. — Za wl 15:57, 1 October 2017 (UTC) reply
• Delete per nom Fails WP:NMUSIC and WP:SIGCOV. Pharaoh of the Wizards ( talk) 03:54, 2 October 2017 (UTC) reply

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The result was keep. (non-admin closure) — Insertcleverphrasehere ^{( or here)} 00:24, 26 September 2017 (UTC) reply

Kolkata Knight Riders in 2018

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• Comment @ Joaquinito01: You haven't added a rationale for deletion: could you please add one? Mr. MacTidy ( talk) 14:37, 25 September 2017 (UTC) reply

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• Comment @ Mr. MacTidy: Reverted 1 edit by Joaquinito01. Joaquinito01 ( talk) 14:40, 25 September 2017 (UTC) reply

Mr. MacTidy. This guy is a vandal. He is running around CSD tagging random new submissions as vandalism and reverting random edits and warning newbies for vandalism they didn't commit. I'm currently following him and reverting edits until someone stops by AIV and bans him (again). — InsertCleverPhraseHere ^{( or here)} 14:43, 25 September 2017 (UTC) reply

Comment: nominator has been indef'ed. -★- PlyrStar93. _{→ Message me. ←} 14:53, 25 September 2017 (UTC) reply

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The result was Speedy Delete per WP:G4 -- new version is no improvement over larger previous referenced version. — CactusWriter ^(talk) 16:06, 25 September 2017 (UTC) reply

Alrosa Villa

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Not enough in-depth coverage, outside the single incident of the shooting, and even that was about the event, not the location. Fails WP:GNG and WP:GEOFEAT. Nothing has changed since the first AfD. Onel5969 ^{TT me} 13:58, 25 September 2017 (UTC) reply

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• KEEP - in fact the shooting in itself is enough to warrant its own article, but the bands also mentioned blow this article into full-blown notability. Evangp ( talk) 14:04, 25 September 2017 (UTC) reply
• Redirect - Redirect to Dimebag Darrell#Death. -- Jax 0677 ( talk) 14:05, 25 September 2017 (UTC) reply

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The result was delete. The only two keep !voters aren't providing enough evidence that enough material was written about the topic to justify an article, or that any other notability criterium is met. Jo-Jo Eumerus ( talk, contributions) 19:02, 2 October 2017 (UTC) reply

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nothing notable about his career. No awards or charted songs for the subject to meet WP:GNG or WP:MUSICBIO — Oluwa2Chainz »» ( talk to me) 13:53, 25 September 2017 (UTC) reply

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• Delete a non-notable musician. John Pack Lambert ( talk) 02:53, 26 September 2017 (UTC) reply
• Delete. The subject fails WP:GNG and WP:MUSICBIO. He was in the news simply because his name was mentioned in a video interview conducted by Pulse Nigeria. The subject capitalized on this publicity by releasing a compilation album, which received negative reviews. As the nominator pointed out, there's nothing special about the subject's career.  Versace1608  ^{Wanna Talk?} 20:35, 26 September 2017 (UTC) reply
• Strong Delete subject does not qualify for a stand alone article on Wikipedia because he/she is non notable and woefully fails WP:GNG. I feel as though this article is written by someone quite close to the subject of our discussion. Celestina007 ( talk) 02:01, 27 September 2017 (UTC) reply
• Do Not Delete Subject does qualify for a stand alone article on wikipedia because he notable and he's not only in the news because of his name mentioned in see other places his name has been mentioned ^[1] -- UncleBre ( talk) 10:57, 28 September 2017 (UTC) reply
• Do Not Delete Yes subject was mentioned in a video interview, that does not make it his first appearance on the news. He was also in the news when he produced what turned out to be one of the biggest songs Miracleby Dice Ailes feat Lil kesh in Nigeria between November 2016 and April 2017-- Bhernyy ( talk) 11:11, 28 September 2017 (UTC) reply
• Comment I suspect sock puppetry from Bhernyy and UncleBre. Aside the identical usernames, the former has not made any edit outside the subject of this afd.— Oluwa2Chainz »» ( talk to me) 17:50, 28 September 2017 (UTC) reply
• Strong Delete This subject obviously fails WP:GNG and the way Bhernyy is excessively pushing for its retention speaks volume. On sockpuppetry, I have these 3 observations

1. The account UncleBre ( talk · contribs) was created on 26 Sept. at "9:22" UTC. Curiously, ONE MINUTE after creation, the "new editor" went directly to the subject of this AfD and edited it at "9:23" UTC.
2. After editing it, the "new editor" (who, normally should not even know what AfD is, or where there's AfD discussion) head directly to this AfD and expose himself (point 3)
3. He used the the unconventional Do Not Delete phrase same as the other sock account above. The article should be deleted and these sockpuppet reported to the appreciate avenue. – Ammarpad ( talk) 15:13, 29 September 2017 (UTC) reply

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The result was keep. Clear consensus that the list is appropriate though the content as it stands has issues for editors to resolve. postdlf ( talk) 15:07, 27 September 2017 (UTC) reply

List of American police officers killed in the line of duty

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This article does not have selection criteria. In effect, it aims to be a complete list of the tens of thousands of American police officers killed since 1776. Several problems are obvious. Such a list would be utterly useless unless there were some way of guaranteeing that it were 100% complete. Failing that, it is an indiscriminate list of some of the officers killed. Next, we have several terms wanting for definitions. We do not know what a "police officer" is (look into it, it's a far more complicated question than you might guess). We do not have a definition for "killed in the line of duty". Does suicide during duty hours count? How about off hours but acting in an official capacity? Sources are certainly a problem. The most widely used source is the "Officer Down Memorial Page" which specifically excludes/includes some odd causes. In their opinion, deaths caused by an illness which may have been exacerbated by duty may count as being killed in the line of duty (even if the connection is only assumed and the death is after retirement). Others are excluded, based on the pages opinions of what should be memorialized. (The source is, after all, a memorial site. Wikipedia is not.) Due to the lack of functional selection criteria, the list is unavoidably affected by several types of bias. Recentism is clear, as the page lists roughly 150 killings from 1776 to 2009 and roughly that many per year in 2015, while displaying a graph indicating roughly 300 killed in 1920. In addition to basically copying whatever the ODMP lists, we include any death that someone bothers to add. (Please note the talk page archive is currently messed up in some way that I cannot figure out, hiding various attempts to restructure the list in various ways: defining terms, limiting to deaths in blue-link notable events, etc.

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• Keep Incomplete lists are fine. List of numbers is a good example. The selection criteria are not vague: every law enforcement death is officially recognized as either in the line of duty or not. It's one or the other. Surmountable issues are not a valid reason for deletion. So whatever problems may exist with the sources can be fixed. If the current content is too recent, that can be fixed. If it grows too large, that can be fixed by spawning sub-lists. WP:NOTMEMORIAL says "Subjects of encyclopedia articles must satisfy Wikipedia's notability requirements." But this isn't about creating an article on every officer death. Many things in WP:NOT deal with not creating separate artices on a thing, which can be misunderstood to mean whole classes of content can't appear within an article or list. That's not what it means.

  WP:CSC in the Categories, lists, and navigation templates guidelines explains that some list member are all notable with their own article, but other lists are simply members of a group, in themselves not notable enough for a stand-alone article.

  If poorly sourced entries are being added, well, clean them up. It's not like every other list on Wikipedia doesn't suffer the same maintenance problem. That goes with the territory.

  The talk archive issue is now fixed. -- Dennis Bratland ( talk) 04:16, 18 September 2017 (UTC) reply

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List of numbers, along with hundreds of thousands of other articles, exists. It isn't perfect and should not be used as an indication of what other articles should aspire to. Instead, we should edit articles based on our policies and guidelines.

This article will always fall into one of two categories: 1) An indiscriminate selection of names from a list of tens of thousands (that's what it is now) or 2) A complete/mostly complete list of tens of thousands of names. In either case, the list will be of no encyclopedic5 value. (Limiting the list to blue-link notable individuals would answer this question, but delete 99.5%+ of the list.)

Without [[WP:CSC|selection criteria, we might just as well have a List of people from New York City that includes notable individuals and a few thousand others whose grandchild or niece added them, citing the "Linderhoff Funeral Home Memorial Page". (Limiting the list to cases where reliable sources directly state the individual was an "American police officer" and was "killed in the line of duty" would answer this, but delete 99.9% of the list.)

We do not have and cannot create unambiguous, objective selection criteria. Is a security contractor working for the U.S. in Afghanistan an "American police officer"? Does their citizenship matter? Do their job responsibilities matter? If a cop dies while driving under the influence on the way from lunch to the station, were they "killed in the line of duty"? If they commit suicide were they "killed"? Is any thing that happens during hours "in the line of duty"? Do you have sources for all of those answers or are your answers OR?

I understand the desire to memorialize and celebrate, but we simply do not have and cannot create valid selection criteria and unambiguous, objective inclusion criteria. - SummerPhD ^v2.0 12:52, 18 September 2017 (UTC) reply

Do you have a source saying an overseas security contractor is an American police officer? If you do, great. I've never seen a security contractor referred to that way. You can raise all kinds of rhetorical quibbles about whether the sky is blue, or is it really azure, or teal, but in the end, if our sources are calling it blue, then blue it is. If you want to contest an entry, then contest it. These are resolvable verifiablity issues.

Surmountable problems are irrelevant AfD. Deletion is not cleanup. -- Dennis Bratland ( talk) 15:03, 18 September 2017 (UTC) reply

The need to discuss individual cases is a sign we do not have unambiguous, objective inclusion criteria. Law enforcement in the United States applies the term to a wide variety of jobs: various Departments of Correction workers, game wardens, various revenue agents, private security guards, various public safety offices, various port authorities, various private special-purpose district agencies, etc. Saying we can simply argue each of the tens of thousands of cases out on the talk page does not mean we have a workaround for not having unambiguous, objective inclusion and selection criteria. We could have a "List of obnoxious characters in film", add whomever we want and "discuss" any we disagree about. Calling the rent-a-cop at the local mall a "police officer" is in no way equivalent to saying the sky is blue.

If we had a list for each year of 50% of the "police" (using a definition we make up) "killed on duty" (again, we'll make up the definitions), we'd have over 200 lists of several hundred names each. Please explain how any one of those lists would be more encyclopedic than a "List of randomly selected entrees at U.S. diners". I can source that 103.287 is a number. Should I add it to "List of numbers"? - SummerPhD ^v2.0 18:00, 18 September 2017 (UTC) reply

Every single list on Wikipedia has a need to discuss individual entries. The only way to decide if an entry belongs or not is to collaborate with others and find a consensus that it is well sourced and meets the list criteria. This fact doesn't in any way give us a reason to delete any list. The assertion that we "make up" a definition for police or line of duty is as facile as saying we have made up the definition of "number" or "planet". Our sources gave us those definitions. Entries are put on lists of planets or lists of numbers or a List of people killed in duels because the sources tell us the definitions of things. A sophist could question the definition of "people" and "killed" and "duel" and ultimately conclude that no term is definable and no knowledge is knowable. But we are editing an encyclopedia, not having a class discussion in Philosophy 101. If there is a minority view on the definition of "planet" or "police" or any term, WP:WEIGHT gives us Wikipedia's approach to such dissenting views.

Once again, if you want to go to the list talk page and work with other editors to reach a consensus on how we should define "American" or "police" or "line of duty", that would be a constructive part of building an encyclopedia. Improving those definitions or list criteria is a surmountable problem, not a reason to delete. But sitting here asserting these cannot be defined without having ever tried is not an argument to delete anything.

If there were a talk page discussion on these criteria, and it was unresolved, and then the all of the standard dispute resolution options had been tried, and after all that, it was impossible to achieve consensus, that might be an argument to delete the list. I would expect that enough editors could agree on criteria that this will not happen. -- Dennis Bratland ( talk) 20:45, 20 September 2017 (UTC) reply

"Every single list on Wikipedia has a need to discuss individual entries"? Where did we discuss including the tens of thousands of people we apparently could have included at List of Justices of the Supreme Court of the United States? Personally, I'm glad RBG squeaked by in the RfC on that one. Meanwhile, we have the on-going debate (perpetuated by James Buchanan's fanboys) that we should include Cuba in List of states and territories of the United States, "just because".

No, of course we don't have to discuss individual entries at every single list. With unambiguous, objective inclusion and selection criteria there is far less need for discussion. With unresolvably ambiguous includsion criteria (the game warden had a heart attack while climbing a hill...) and absolutely no selection criteria, we might just as well have "List of American police officers". After all, if we can simply break this one down (once we have even 1% of the possible entries) into shorter lists of thousands of names, we can do the same with that one. Why not? Yeah, we're supposed to have selection and inclusion criteria, but we can simply " discuss" what belongs in "List of yucky vegetables" and which people to include in "List of randomly selected people from New York City". - SummerPhD ^v2.0 23:27, 20 September 2017 (UTC) reply

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• Keep: The topic is a notable one in the U.S., and many sources should be readily available (at least within the last century). To me the reasons provided seem like reasons to refine the criteria, rather than deleting the article. The first U.S. police force was established in 1838, so it doesn't seem necessary to go all the way back to 1776. Praemonitus ( talk) 17:07, 25 September 2017 (UTC) reply

This goes back to not having a definition for "police officer". The "first United States police officer to be killed in the line of duty", says the article, was killed in 1791. The ODMP, the only source for most of the article, also disagrees, going back to 1808 and 1818 for Deputy Sheriffs, 1825 for a Watch Officer, 1833 for a guard for the Connecticut Department of Correction, etc. - SummerPhD ^v2.0 00:51, 26 September 2017 (UTC) reply

• delete per WP:NOTMEMORIAL. Ignoring the ambiguities of what an "officer" is and what "in the line of duty" means, the issue is that, as it stands, this is essentially a memorial. The overwhelming majority of these deaths are not going to pass notability of themselves, and the level of detail is minimal; the principal source is a memorial itself. As a practical matter, there are already numerous such memorial pages in WP, generally organized around individual departments; I don't see how we need to make one grand union list of them all. Mangoe ( talk) 17:52, 25 September 2017 (UTC) reply

• The point of WP:NOTMEMORIAL is that we don't keep pages that serve no purpose other than a memorial. You could delete any list of deaths citing WP:NOTMEMORIAL. Such a list might incidentally memorialize officers killed, but that is not all it does. It aggregates the information in the broadest context, showing trends over time. It serves the obvious purpose of filling in the gaps left by lists limited only to major police departments. And we only have a few of those: Honolulu, Baltimore, Philadelphia, and Los Angeles PD and sheriff. We aren't going to create a list for every single tiny department; those entries fall to the main US list. We haven't yet gotten around to making list for most of the large departments. If it is ambiguous what a "officer" is or "line of duty" is for entire US list, then how is it not equally ambiguous for List of Los Angeles Police Department officers killed in the line of duty? The overwhelming majority of these entries are also not going to pass notability themselves. As with List of British police officers killed in the line of duty. We have Category:Police officers killed in the line of duty filled with sub-categories and lists upon lists. The editors creating all of these obviously share the consensus that the terms "police officer" and "line of duty" are sufficiently unambiguous.

  It's true we have a lot of data here and it could be organized and aggregated in better ways. The sourcing can be improved. The minimal level of detail hand be improved. Surmountable problems. -- Dennis Bratland ( talk) 18:37, 25 September 2017 (UTC) reply

This article does not show "trends over time". To do that, it would need to show ALL of the deaths. It will never come anywhere near that. It is and always will be an indiscriminate list of some of the deaths. It does not "fill in gaps", it is little more than a collection of gaps with a download from the biased ODMP taped on at the end. As for the other articles, yes, there are other articles. Some of them are nearly perfect. Some should have been deleted a long time ago. Most are in the middle. If you pick one at random and assume it is a model to imitate, you will copy its faults as well as its strengths. - SummerPhD ^v2.0 19:50, 25 September 2017 (UTC) reply

"it would need to show ALL of the deaths". See WP:SURMOUNTABLE. "It will never come anywhere near that." ^{citation needed}. "Some of them are nearly perfect." Really? Which ones? Why? How about to decide which lists to imitate, we look only at WP:Featured lists? Say, List of deaths at the Berlin Wall. Isn't "at the Berlin Wall" ambiguous? Do they have to actually die at the wall? What if they are hurt at the wall and succumb later? What if they die 20 feet from the wall? What about 37 feet? So much ambiguity. We'll never agree. Günter Litfin is notable. But Roland Hoff isn't. Neither is Bernd Lünser. Hey, almost none of these people are notable. There are many lists at Wikipedia:Featured lists which don't meet the fallacious criteria invented here. Except Wikipedia editorial consensus decisions aren't influenced by cheap sophistry. We use common sense and let our sources tell us what's what.

Could I ask if the sources for Bernd Lünser are good enough? Yes. Could there be a talk page discussion to decide if Bernd should or should not be on the list? Yes. Is that a reason to delete it? No.

I suggest spending some time with the various advice pages at Wikipedia:Arguments to avoid and learning to recognize a fallacious argument. You have failed to cite a valid reason to delete this list. You have not attempted to improve the list criteria, so you have no evidence that finding consensus for better list criteria is impossible. Why don't you try and then come back after that? -- Dennis Bratland ( talk) 20:24, 25 September 2017 (UTC) reply

I stand by the quality of my sophistry. Yes, to show "trends over time" (other than imaginary trends) it would need to include every death. The current article shows a VERY clear trend: Prior to 1900, the number of officers killed is in the range of 1 every 10 years, climbing to 1 a year for most of the 20th century, with the rate beginning to skyrocket in 1995. That is a trend over time. Sure it's surmountable, by building a complete list of every "American police officer" ever "killed in the line of duty". Before pointing to another article that exists and adding more personal attacks and suggesting that I have not tried to address the indiscriminate nature of such a list, please consider NPA and the article's talk page. - SummerPhD ^v2.0 00:24, 26 September 2017 (UTC) reply

• Keep, BUT only officers with articles. This is an appropriate list, but including everyone does smack of WP:MEMORIAL, as well as WP:NOTNEWSPAPER. Clarityfiend ( talk) 22:02, 25 September 2017 (UTC) reply
• Keep per Clarityfiend. This is a notable topic, but it is best to limit the scope to only officers with articles. Lepricavark ( talk) 19:32, 26 September 2017 (UTC) reply
• Keep (but, to be clear, a Conditional Keep) - Agree with Clarityfiend that a stricter inclusion criteria is clearly needed here, given WP:NOT and the guidelines at e.g. WP:SAL. This isn't about notability, but it seems like people are conflating notability of the concept of "death of law enforcement in the line of duty" with "deaths of every police officer killed in the line of duty". I don't disagree that there's a good reason to have such a page, but it's not for Wikipedia. Keep on the condition of restricting it to notable individual examples. — Rhododendrites ^talk \\ 23:10, 26 September 2017 (UTC) reply

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The result was delete. Jo-Jo Eumerus ( talk, contributions) 19:02, 2 October 2017 (UTC) reply

Iowa State Chess Association

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This essentially unreferenced article currently has WP:BRANCH issues. Dolotta ( talk) 13:38, 25 September 2017 (UTC) reply

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• Delete. Not notable. Sophia91 ( talk) 16:03, 25 September 2017 (UTC) reply
• Redirect to United States Chess Federation. Fails WP:GNG. Per nom, I do not believe there is any need for state chess associations to have their own articles.-- Pawnkingthree ( talk) 13:52, 26 September 2017 (UTC) reply
• Delete - Fails WP:GNG. Even if it passed, we would have a notable subject with an empty article, since none of it is based on third party sources. Opposed to redirecting as the USCF article makes no mention of this, even via a list. — Rhododendrites ^talk \\ 23:03, 26 September 2017 (UTC) reply

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The result was redirect to Baillieu Library. Merge can be carried out from article history. ansh 666 05:13, 3 October 2017 (UTC) reply

Dulcie Hollyock

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Librarian who wrote pulp romance novels "by night." Library named a room after her, won a minor women writers short story prize. Other than that, modern writers take some interest as curiosity. I fail to see any notability, other than as a very minor romance novelist. ‡ Єl Cid of ᐺalencia ^ᐐT₳LKᐬ 13:20, 25 September 2017 (UTC) reply

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• delete Librarians who write pulp romance novels "by night" can certainly be notable. However, I cannot soruce this one. feel free to ping me if anyone can. E.M.Gregory ( talk) 15:20, 25 September 2017 (UTC) reply
• Merge sourced information to Baillieu Library, then Redirect. The information in the article is very interesting and would be of interest to visitors of the library (people always want to know why a room is named after someone in libraries). It's sourced and not terribly long, so let's further condense and move it there and have a redirect on Hollyock's page. Megalibrarygirl ( talk) 20:28, 25 September 2017 (UTC) reply
• Delete. if th bestthat can be said is that " information ... would be of interest to visitors of the library ", it belongs on the library web site. DGG ( talk ) 00:36, 26 September 2017 (UTC) reply
• Delete not enough to show notability. John Pack Lambert ( talk) 03:01, 26 September 2017 (UTC) reply
• Delete as per EMG DGG and JohnPL. Domdeparis ( talk) 00:43, 27 September 2017 (UTC) reply
• Delete per nom. ToThAc ( talk) 00:15, 29 September 2017 (UTC) reply
• Redirect to Baillieu Library - it's a valid search term. Everyone else, read WP:JUSTNOTNOTABLE, WP:JUSTAVOTE and WP:PERNOM please. Ritchie333 ^{(talk) (cont)} 13:59, 29 September 2017 (UTC) reply
• Merge and Redirect per Megalibrarygirl. Montanabw ^(talk) 07:24, 1 October 2017 (UTC) reply

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The result was delete. czar 04:02, 3 October 2017 (UTC) reply

Masahito Osada

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Not finding evidence of notability. Only finding one source, which is the one cited. It is not a third party source, and is from the place where he conducts. Other than that, I see a twitter page, but nothing else relevant. ‡ Єl Cid of ᐺalencia ^ᐐT₳LKᐬ 13:01, 25 September 2017 (UTC) reply

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• Delete no evidence he is notable as a conductor. John Pack Lambert ( talk) 04:00, 26 September 2017 (UTC) reply
• delete lacks RS. Fails GNG. Dlohcierekim ( talk) 02:52, 3 October 2017 (UTC) reply

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The result was delete. Jo-Jo Eumerus ( talk, contributions) 19:02, 2 October 2017 (UTC) reply

Mia Serafino

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Too soon. Notability as an actress requires two significant roles in notable productions. While her role in Crowded counts, her roles (that she is "also known for") as "Emerald City Citizen" and "Young Woman" do not. Notability under GNG requires significant coverage in independent reliable sources. Current sourcing is weak, nothing significant found. SummerPhD ^v2.0 12:48, 25 September 2017 (UTC) reply

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• Delete at present lacks multiple significant roles. John Pack Lambert ( talk) 13:43, 29 September 2017 (UTC) reply
• Delete - subject's roles to date fall short of WP:NACTOR and I'm unable to find coverage to satisfy WP:GNG.  gongshow   talk  07:50, 30 September 2017 (UTC) reply

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Exquisite Knives

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Previously soft-deleted, then recreated, so no longer eligible for PROD. Borderline significance claims, so I declined the A7 tagging but nothing I found searching the web indicates that this might really be a notable organization or company, fails WP:GNG and WP:ORG. So Why 12:46, 25 September 2017 (UTC) reply

• Delete no indication of notability per WP:CORP, and I could find no significant coverage online from WP:RS. Evidently the article creator had the same problem, as in its present state nearly all of the references are about completely unrelated knife makers or companies, but containing the words "exquisite knives". Creation was the first edit of a new account, and from the tone I'm guessing WP:COI. Mr. MacTidy ( talk) 12:53, 25 September 2017 (UTC) reply

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• Delete No indications of notability, fails GNG and WP:NCORP. -- HighKing ⁺⁺ 15:38, 2 October 2017 (UTC) reply

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The result was delete as expired WP:PROD. ansh 666 20:51, 2 October 2017 (UTC) reply

Trabant Coffee and Chai

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Short-lived former local business, no assertion of notability. Mentions in local news and blog are not significant coverage and do not differentiate this from other small businesses. Reywas92 ^Talk 08:16, 17 September 2017 (UTC) reply

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The result was delete as expired WP:PROD. ansh 666 20:52, 2 October 2017 (UTC) reply

Caffè Umbria

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Local coffee shop with a few locations, but no notability is asserted in the article or sources. A local article covering the opening is not significant coverage. Reywas92 ^Talk 07:39, 17 September 2017 (UTC) reply

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The result was delete. Rlendog ( talk) 14:39, 2 October 2017 (UTC) reply

Molly Byrne (ice hockey)

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Non-notable amateur ice hockey player who fails to meet WP:GNG. Sources in article are just stats profiles or a passing mention. I could not find any others that meet GNG doing a search. Player also subsequently fails WP:NHOCKEY. DJSasso ( talk) 12:37, 25 September 2017 (UTC) reply

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Delete - was deprodded without rationale a while back. Nom hits the nail on the head. Fails WP:GNG, WP:NCOLLATH, and WP:NHOCKEY. Onel5969 ^{TT me} 15:40, 25 September 2017 (UTC) reply

• Delete: Fails NHOCKEY and NCOLLATH, no evidence the subject meets the GNG. The article creator's seemed to have thrown up a number of these, and I'd be interested in hearing his take on what notability criteria he had in mind when doing so. Ravenswing 18:32, 25 September 2017 (UTC) reply

Comment - Hi Ravenswing - I think they put their rationale on the article's talk page. Onel5969 ^{TT me} 01:16, 26 September 2017 (UTC) reply

• Okay, fair enough. He certainly misread the criteria then in place, but that was at least an answer. Ravenswing 01:42, 26 September 2017 (UTC) reply

• Delete does not meet the notability guidelines for hockey players. John Pack Lambert ( talk) 00:02, 28 September 2017 (UTC) reply
• Delete Not enough here for NHOCKEY. Montanabw ^(talk) 06:03, 2 October 2017 (UTC) reply

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