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{{cite book|
and accompanying numberingI need several sub title parameters for {{cite book|
because the template as it now exists is difficult to work with.
For example, if I'm citing the Corpus of Hieroglyphic Luwian Inscriptions:
Despite the recommendations I have received during my previous requests here, this is not working for me. I am having trouble adding proper titles in the template for several publications whose titles and sub-titles are similarly extensive.
Along with this, there also needs to be accompanying series numeration, volume numeration, and parts numeration.
{{cite encyclopedia|
I would also need {{cite encyclopedia|
to also have a numbering or part accompanying the titles.
For example, the entry for Que in the Reallexikon der Assyriologie und Vorderasiatischen Archäologie has a part A written by J.D. Hawkins and a part B written by D. Syrmington.
And several more sources I cite have similar entries divided into several parts, which are either labelled with a letter of the alphabet or a number.
I need a parameter to add this numeration.
|trans-series
I also need a translation option for series names in languages other than English.
Additionally, which citation template should I use when citing a dictionary?
For example, if I am citing the eDiAna Dictionary, which has sections for various languages and entries that are divided into several parts written by multiple authors, which citation template should I use? Antiquistik ( talk) 15:37, 16 June 2024 (UTC)
{{cite book |chapter=<Foobar> |title=Corpus of Hieroglyphic Luwian Inscriptions – Volume 1: Inscriptions of the Iron Age |series=Series in Indo-European Language and Culture |volume=<xxx> |page=<yyy> }}
will give "<Foobar>". Corpus of Hieroglyphic Luwian Inscriptions – Volume 1: Inscriptions of the Iron Age. Series in Indo-European Language and Culture. Vol. <xxx>. p. <yyy>.|trans-series=
would be helpful; I come up against this periodically, and it feels weird to cram the translation into the same parameter after splitting it out for the previous two.As to the |subtitle=
idea, I do low-key agree that adding one could be helpful, but not for reasons of unwieldiness (any solution where the source is "Chapter" in Title: Named Volume, Part something is going to be unwieldy).My experience has been that I'll sometimes want to use |title-link=
for a source we have an article about, but multiple named volumes comprise the title, so I end up with Science and Civilization in China: vol. 4 Physics and Physical Technology, part 1: Physics, with the entire title linking the article
Science and Civilization in China.The other use case I would have for |subtitle=
is for links to old books on Internet Archive or HathiTrust (or, decreasingly commonly, Project Gutenberg), where the title is something fashionably lengthy for the turn of the twentieth century like Travels and researches in Chaldæa and Susiana; with an account of excavations at Warka, the Erech of Nimrod, and Shúsh, Shushan the Palace of Esther, in 1849–52 or Bismya; or The lost city of Adab : a story of adventure, of exploration, and of excavation among the ruins of the oldest of the buried cities of Babylonia, and the whole dang thing gets bluelinked across three lines by the |url=
parameter, because there's no way to cordon off the main part of the title for linking or put an external link inside the |title=
parameter, and any other parameter I try to kludge the subtitle into doesn't concatenate next to the title but instead is separated by other information.Anyway I don't really see a pressing need for this, but it would be nice for those sorts of situations.
Folly Mox (
talk)
17:23, 16 June 2024 (UTC)Looks like PMIDs started ticking over 38900000 in the past couple of days. An article referencing 38900028 showed up in the tracking category and it is valid. Masterzora ( talk) 03:59, 23 June 2024 (UTC)
"The Antisemitism Policy Trust" causes a generic name error ( here). I marked it accept-this-as-written. Was that correct? I can't find any other author on the report. What is causing it to be flagged? AlmostReadytoFly ( talk) 14:56, 26 June 2024 (UTC)
|author=
includes the word policy. I would have written that template this way:
{{cite web |title= Conspiracy Theories: A Guide for Members of Parliament and Candidates |website=The Antisemitism Policy Trust |url= https://antisemitism.org.uk/wp-content/uploads/2024/05/Conspiracy-Theory-Guide.pdf |access-date= 11 June 2024}}
An increasing number of websites, particularly in the news and information space, require you to disable your adblocker to access their content. While this is not quite the same as a paywall or registration requirement, it is still an annoyance. I therefore propose that the "Subscription or registration required" parameter at Template:Cite web should have a variable added to indicate that the website requires adblock disabling for access. BD2412 T 18:02, 26 June 2024 (UTC)
|foo-access=
parameter|foo-access=
parameter, e.g., |url-access=limited-noadblocker
|foo-access=
parameter take a list of two subparameters|url-access= subscription
to any source, meaning that we have tens of thousands or hundreds of thousands of citations to subscription-only sources with no red padlock icons.
Folly Mox (
talk)
11:25, 27 June 2024 (UTC)
|url-access=ads
?
Folly Mox (
talk)
17:49, 27 June 2024 (UTC)
(subscription or advertising required)
I can't access the URL https://tvlistings.zap2it.com/overview.html?programSeriesId=SH01739244&aid=gapzap and marked it as dead, however another editor can apparently access it. Is there some kind of parameter that should be used here to note this? I was looking at {{ Cite web}} but didn't find one. Gonnym ( talk) 11:29, 27 June 2024 (UTC)
Any CS1 citation templates ends with "." However, this does not happen if a) |quote=
is used and its value does not end with "."; and b) no other parameter injects content into the rendered citation after the quotation content. Example:
{{cite book |editor1-last=Jenny |editor1-first=M. |editor2-last=Sidwell |editor2-first=P. |chapter=Reconstructing Austroasiatic prehistory |date=2015 |title=Handbook of the Austroasiatic Languages |location=Leiden |publisher=Brill |page=1 |quote=Sagart (2011) and Bellwood (2013) favour the middle Yangzi |ref=none}}
renders as:
Sagart (2011) and Bellwood (2013) favour the middle Yangzi
— SMcCandlish ☏ ¢ 😼 10:45, 28 June 2024 (UTC)
!.
, ?.
, etc. This functionality was established long before we had |postscript=none
.Reconstructing Austroasiatic prehistoryat doi: 10.1163/9789004283572, nor any chapter by that name across Brill. (Also I guess add a four dots sentence-terminal ellipsis to the quote as a workaround?) Folly Mox ( talk) 14:34, 30 June 2024 (UTC)
cs1|2 is somewhat schizophrenic when validating |year=
. If I write:
{{cite book |title=Title |year=August 2023}}
→ Title. August 2023.no error even though 'August 2023' is not a 'year'. But, if I write:
{{cite book |title=Title |year=August 2023 |date=August 2023}}
→ Title. August 2023. {{
cite book}}
: Check date values in: |year=
(
help)CS1 maint: date and year (
link)there is an error message because 'August 2023' is not a 'year'.
I propose to add a maintenance category to identify cs1|2 templates that have |year=
where the assigned value is not YYY
, YYYY
, their circa forms, year-only ranges, and with or without CITEREF
disambiguators. To make cs1|2 consistent in how it validates |year=
I propose that we define |year=
so that it may only hold one of the year formats named above. To accomplish that, we need to know where noncompliant |year=
year parameters exist so that they may be repaired before a fix is made in
Module:Citation/CS1/Date validation. The category is necessary because there are a so many non-cs1|2 templates that use |year=
that Cirrus searching is woefully inadequate.
Yea or nay?
—
Trappist the monk (
talk)
15:53, 29 June 2024 (UTC) 13:24, 30 June 2024 (UTC) (modified)
|year=2020–2022
, be treated? --
Michael Bednarek (
talk)
01:03, 30 June 2024 (UTC)
|date=2020–2022
. Clearly there will be whining about this so I have modified the proposed definition of |year=
.|date=
and |year=
explained at
Help talk:Citation Style 1/Archive 31#Preference between year or date parameter in Cite Journal. Two editors mention using |year=
to discourage future editors/bots from changing "YYYY" to something like "January YYYY" arbitrarily.
Rjjiii (
talk)
07:27, 30 June 2024 (UTC)|year=
parameters become errors categorized in the already existing
Category:CS1 errors: dates.{{cite book/new |title=Title |year=900}}
|year=900
(ok):
|year=c. 900
(ok):
|year=c. 900a
(ok):
|year=1900
(ok):
|year=900–1000
(ok):
|year=1951–52
(ok):
|year=August 1900
(not ok because month is not a year):
|year=Winter 1951–52
(not ok because season is not a year)::
|year=April–May 1900
(not ok because month range is not a year):
{{cite book/new |title=Title |year={{circa}} 900}}
{{
cite book}}
: Check date values in: |year=
(
help)CS1 maint: year (
link)"Volume values that are wholly digits, wholly uppercase Roman numerals, or fewer than five characters will appear in bold." Why is bold text used in these cases? - BobKilcoyne ( talk) 05:47, 30 June 2024 (UTC)
Why has this template recently changed from correctly citing references from the Clyde Ships website, such as https://www.clydeships.co.uk/view.php?ref=10727 and is now translating them to show them as Google, such as https://www.google.com.hk/?ref=10727&gws_rd=ssl ? Johnragla ( talk) 20:16, 30 June 2024 (UTC)
The cite magazine template should support the |agency parameter - for example this article
https://www.golfdigest.com/story/golf-hope-ap should be cited as
"Vegas Hangs On". Golf Digest. January 23, 2011. {{
cite magazine}}
: Unknown parameter |agency=
ignored (
help) - but that throws an error. Some magazines do use news agencies so this should be a supported parameter.
Tewapack (
talk)
19:39, 2 July 2024 (UTC)
{{cite news |url= https://www.golfdigest.com/story/golf-hope-ap |title= Vegas Hangs On |work= Golf Digest | date= January 23, 2011 |agency= Associated Press}}
Folly Mox (
talk)
16:13, 13 July 2024 (UTC)Maybe I'm bad at reading comprehension, but I couldn't find how to add a new supported language code on the page Template:Citation Style documentation/language/doc. Can anyone help please? Amir E. Aharoni ( talk) 12:14, 3 July 2024 (UTC)
mw.language.fetchLanguageNames(lang, 'all')
. To be displayed at
Template:Citation Style documentation/language/doc MediaWiki must have support for the language name/tag.Hi, @ Trappist the monk, it's me again, from Help talk:Citation Style 1/Archive 93#Limits. As I could see today by chance, my suggestion was excepted, and tabular data is a part of the code now, isn't it? IKhitron ( talk) 23:45, 3 July 2024 (UTC)
I tried to use {{ ill}} inside a {{ cite journal}}, like this:
* {{cite journal |author={{ill|Reinhold Merkelbach|de|Reinhold Merkelbach}} |title=Zwei neue orphisch-dionysische Totenpässe |lang=de |journal=Zeitschrift für Papyrologie und Epigraphik |number=76 |year=1989 |pages=15–16 |url=https://www.jstor.org/stable/20187001}}
But that currently renders without any wikilink, like this:
{{
cite journal}}
: Check |author=
value (
help)CS1 maint: multiple names: authors list (
link) CS1 maint: numeric names: authors list (
link)Is this bad interaction fixable by someone who knows about templates? -- Quuxplusone ( talk) 14:46, 6 July 2024 (UTC)
|author-link=:de:Reinhold Merkelbach
, which has the desired effect.
Folly Mox (
talk)
14:49, 6 July 2024 (UTC){{
ill}}
produces this:
[[Reinhold Merkelbach]]<span class="noprint" style="font-size:85%; font-style: normal; "> [[[:de:Reinhold Merkelbach|de]]]</span>
|author=
wants to see only a single name (which may be wikilinked) but it certainly does not want to see the styling that {{ill}}
adds.|author=[[:de:Reinhold Merkelbach|Reinhold Merkelbach]]
author-link
or otherwise) is right out. I'll leave it as-is for now, but I hope this can be fixed someday. (For example, by finding whatever innards of the author
field currently "want[] to see only a single name (which may be wikilinked)" and whitelisting {{
ill}} as a valid possibility there, too.) --
Quuxplusone (
talk)
17:39, 6 July 2024 (UTC)
{{cite journal |author=[[:de:Reinhold Merkelbach|Reinhold Merkelbach]] |title=Zwei neue orphisch-dionysische Totenpässe |lang=de |journal=Zeitschrift für Papyrologie und Epigraphik |number=76 |year=1989 |pages=15–16 |url=https://www.jstor.org/stable/20187001}}
[[:xx:Name]]
, will AFAIK forever prevent those links to be automatically converted to a local link if an article for that author gets written here. I wonder if this could be improved if the templates added a tracking category in those cases (in article space only) so that
User:Cewbot's
task #1, run by
User:Kanashimi, has a way of locating this usage. --
Michael Bednarek (
talk)
00:54, 7 July 2024 (UTC)
{{cite journal/new |author=[[:de:Reinhold Merkelbach|Reinhold Merkelbach]] |title=Zwei neue orphisch-dionysische Totenpässe |lang=de |journal=Zeitschrift für Papyrologie und Epigraphik |number=76 |year=1989 |pages=15–16 |url=https://www.jstor.org/stable/20187001}}
{{cite journal/new |author=Reinhold Merkelbach |author-link=:d:Q972677 |title=Zwei neue orphisch-dionysische Totenpässe |lang=de |journal=Zeitschrift für Papyrologie und Epigraphik |number=76 |year=1989 |pages=15–16 |url=https://www.jstor.org/stable/20187001}}
"cs1|2 annotates interwiki-linked author names so that readers can see that the interwiki-linked author name is at a non-English Wikipedia" — Oh, that's awesome! I recommend tweaking the formatting just a little bit, so that instead of displaying as " Reinhold Merkelbach [in German]" it would display as " Reinhold Merkelbach [ de]". (That's trivial, and would also address Michael Bednarek's defect report.) And then perhaps instead of making the user have to know to type [[:de:Thing|Thing]], permit them to type {{ill|Thing|de|Thing}}. That would have the effect of accomplishing what I'm looking for, as a very small modification of what you've already implemented. -- Quuxplusone ( talk) 17:41, 7 July 2024 (UTC)
Keep? Discard?+1 for 'keep'. -- Michael Bednarek ( talk) 03:00, 14 July 2024 (UTC)
I have to think that, for metadata purposes, it would be much cleaner to do this:
{{cite journal |last=Merkelbach |first=Reinhold |author-link=de:Reinhold Merkelbach |title=Zwei neue orphisch-dionysische Totenpässe |lang=de |journal=Zeitschrift für Papyrologie und Epigraphik |number=76 |date=1989 |pages=15–16 |url= https://www.jstor.org/stable/20187001}}
But for some reason this is mis-rendered, presumably due to some questionably desirable pre-filtering of the value of |author-link=
:
{{
cite journal}}
: Check |author-link=
value (
help)This:
{{cite journal |last=Merkelbach |first=Reinhold |author-mask=[[de:Reinhold Merkelbach|Merkelbach, Reinhold]] |title=Zwei neue orphisch-dionysische Totenpässe |lang=de |journal=Zeitschrift für Papyrologie und Epigraphik |number=76 |date=1989 |pages=15–16 |url= https://www.jstor.org/stable/20187001}}
also fails:
{{
cite journal}}
: Check |author-mask=
value (
help)Ideally, I would think |author-link=
would be the way to do this, and that it would detect the canonical other-project prefixes (mostly language codes), and do {{
ILL}}
-style stuff. Even if that's too much work, then just not barfing on a xx:
language-code prefix would be good, even if does no extra things borrowed from {{ILL}}
and just builds the link the way doing a bare [[de:Reinhold Merkelbach|Merkelbach, Reinhold]]
works outside the template:
Merkelbach, Reinhold. —
SMcCandlish
☏
¢ 😼
11:21, 14 July 2024 (UTC)
[[de:Reinhold Merkelbach|Merkelbach, Reinhold]]
→
Merkelbach, Reinhold|author=
parameter or uses the |author-link=
parameter; contributor, editor, etc links similarly suppressed.In a conversation at
Template talk:Internet Archive#Registration required parameter it was pointed out that {{
Cite book}} does not produce an external link indicator for a title URL if |url-access=
is specified:
What's the rationale? -- Michael Bednarek ( talk) 14:26, 7 July 2024 (UTC)
https://example.com/document.pdf A PDF Document
→
A PDF DocumentSmith, Adam (July 7, 2024).
Title (Speech). Event. Location. {{
cite speech}}
: Unknown parameter |transcript-url=
ignored (
help)
Amayorov (
talk)
17:59, 7 July 2024 (UTC)
|transcript=
and |transcript-url=
were not supported by {{
cite speech}}
in its wikitext (old) form so they are not supported in its current
Module:Citation/CS1 form:Wikitext | {{cite speech
|
---|---|
Old | Smith, Adam (July 7, 2024). Title (Speech). Event. Location. https://www.example.com. |
Live | Smith, Adam (July 7, 2024).
Title (Speech). Event. Location. {{
cite speech}} : Unknown parameter |transcript-url= ignored (
help); Unknown parameter |transcript= ignored (
help)
|
|transcript=Transcript Title
to your example so that |transcript-url=
would have something to link if it did work.|transcript=
parameters are supported by {{
cite av media}}
and {{
cite episode}}
.|transcripturl=
has been withdrawn globally. Nearly a year later, that table will be emptied at the next module suite update when support for |authors=
is withdrawn.The redirect Wikipedia:Lua cites has been listed at redirects for discussion to determine whether its use and function meets the redirect guidelines. Readers of this page are welcome to comment on this redirect at Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 July 8 § Wikipedia:Lua cites until a consensus is reached. Nickps ( talk) 13:48, 8 July 2024 (UTC)
Module:Citation has been nominated for deletion. You are invited to comment on the discussion at the entry on the Templates for discussion page. Nickps ( talk) 16:01, 8 July 2024 (UTC)
"Newsroom" (or "newsroom", "News-room", "news-room", "News Room", "News room", "news room"). I've encounted this in |last=
at least twice in the last month or so. Might need to flag "News" by itself, too, though I guess it's conceivable for someone to be named something like "Janet News". I know for a fact that Room is an extant surname. —
SMcCandlish
☏
¢ 😼
11:01, 14 July 2024 (UTC)
|last=
and was a bit surprised it's not considered a generic name. An insource:
search yielded around 1000 hits, including maybe 30% false positives because I didn't want to pound the servers with a regex to escape the =
. A quick scroll through the first 500 results showed a single valid usage as a surname, at
Ziphosuchia, with the balance of true positives consisting of publishing companies misparsed by Citoid and pals.
Folly Mox (
talk)
11:24, 14 July 2024 (UTC)
Company
or company
as whole values. If someone cares to check the results of
this search if may be possible to loosen the restriction so that the test finds names that include Company
or company
. Corporate authors are allowed so I don't think that we can error when a name simply includes Company
or company
.|last=Company
, without involving substring matching.
Folly Mox (
talk)
21:40, 14 July 2024 (UTC)|lastn=
or |authorn=
parameters with values that begin News
or news
. When I ran that search, I found: Newsby, Newsinger, Newsom, Newsome, Newstead, Newsum among the first 20 results; some of them multiple times. So our generic name search is limited to finding only News
or news
as whole values to avoid false positives.Newsroom
and newsroom
seems worthwhile; the others, not.Cite paper redirects to Cite journal. What should be done when the paper in question is a white paper published by a manufacturer, but not part of a journal, and not one of a clear series? It's more of a technical backgrounder on their significant invention. Andy Dingley ( talk) 13:50, 14 July 2024 (UTC)
|series=
. If this is about
Paxman Hi-Dyne engines, I'd probably go with {{
Cite web}}, since the reproduction of the original via Richard Carr's Paxman History Pages is a human conversion to HTML and the original source
is not what was consulted.
Folly Mox (
talk)
14:39, 14 July 2024 (UTC)
|type=White paper
?
Remsense
诉
15:42, 14 July 2024 (UTC)but if it's online and you don't need specific page numbersDo you mean to suggest that
{{
cite web}}
does not support the pagination parameters? If you do then you are mistook:
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{{cite book|
and accompanying numberingI need several sub title parameters for {{cite book|
because the template as it now exists is difficult to work with.
For example, if I'm citing the Corpus of Hieroglyphic Luwian Inscriptions:
Despite the recommendations I have received during my previous requests here, this is not working for me. I am having trouble adding proper titles in the template for several publications whose titles and sub-titles are similarly extensive.
Along with this, there also needs to be accompanying series numeration, volume numeration, and parts numeration.
{{cite encyclopedia|
I would also need {{cite encyclopedia|
to also have a numbering or part accompanying the titles.
For example, the entry for Que in the Reallexikon der Assyriologie und Vorderasiatischen Archäologie has a part A written by J.D. Hawkins and a part B written by D. Syrmington.
And several more sources I cite have similar entries divided into several parts, which are either labelled with a letter of the alphabet or a number.
I need a parameter to add this numeration.
|trans-series
I also need a translation option for series names in languages other than English.
Additionally, which citation template should I use when citing a dictionary?
For example, if I am citing the eDiAna Dictionary, which has sections for various languages and entries that are divided into several parts written by multiple authors, which citation template should I use? Antiquistik ( talk) 15:37, 16 June 2024 (UTC)
{{cite book |chapter=<Foobar> |title=Corpus of Hieroglyphic Luwian Inscriptions – Volume 1: Inscriptions of the Iron Age |series=Series in Indo-European Language and Culture |volume=<xxx> |page=<yyy> }}
will give "<Foobar>". Corpus of Hieroglyphic Luwian Inscriptions – Volume 1: Inscriptions of the Iron Age. Series in Indo-European Language and Culture. Vol. <xxx>. p. <yyy>.|trans-series=
would be helpful; I come up against this periodically, and it feels weird to cram the translation into the same parameter after splitting it out for the previous two.As to the |subtitle=
idea, I do low-key agree that adding one could be helpful, but not for reasons of unwieldiness (any solution where the source is "Chapter" in Title: Named Volume, Part something is going to be unwieldy).My experience has been that I'll sometimes want to use |title-link=
for a source we have an article about, but multiple named volumes comprise the title, so I end up with Science and Civilization in China: vol. 4 Physics and Physical Technology, part 1: Physics, with the entire title linking the article
Science and Civilization in China.The other use case I would have for |subtitle=
is for links to old books on Internet Archive or HathiTrust (or, decreasingly commonly, Project Gutenberg), where the title is something fashionably lengthy for the turn of the twentieth century like Travels and researches in Chaldæa and Susiana; with an account of excavations at Warka, the Erech of Nimrod, and Shúsh, Shushan the Palace of Esther, in 1849–52 or Bismya; or The lost city of Adab : a story of adventure, of exploration, and of excavation among the ruins of the oldest of the buried cities of Babylonia, and the whole dang thing gets bluelinked across three lines by the |url=
parameter, because there's no way to cordon off the main part of the title for linking or put an external link inside the |title=
parameter, and any other parameter I try to kludge the subtitle into doesn't concatenate next to the title but instead is separated by other information.Anyway I don't really see a pressing need for this, but it would be nice for those sorts of situations.
Folly Mox (
talk)
17:23, 16 June 2024 (UTC)Looks like PMIDs started ticking over 38900000 in the past couple of days. An article referencing 38900028 showed up in the tracking category and it is valid. Masterzora ( talk) 03:59, 23 June 2024 (UTC)
"The Antisemitism Policy Trust" causes a generic name error ( here). I marked it accept-this-as-written. Was that correct? I can't find any other author on the report. What is causing it to be flagged? AlmostReadytoFly ( talk) 14:56, 26 June 2024 (UTC)
|author=
includes the word policy. I would have written that template this way:
{{cite web |title= Conspiracy Theories: A Guide for Members of Parliament and Candidates |website=The Antisemitism Policy Trust |url= https://antisemitism.org.uk/wp-content/uploads/2024/05/Conspiracy-Theory-Guide.pdf |access-date= 11 June 2024}}
An increasing number of websites, particularly in the news and information space, require you to disable your adblocker to access their content. While this is not quite the same as a paywall or registration requirement, it is still an annoyance. I therefore propose that the "Subscription or registration required" parameter at Template:Cite web should have a variable added to indicate that the website requires adblock disabling for access. BD2412 T 18:02, 26 June 2024 (UTC)
|foo-access=
parameter|foo-access=
parameter, e.g., |url-access=limited-noadblocker
|foo-access=
parameter take a list of two subparameters|url-access= subscription
to any source, meaning that we have tens of thousands or hundreds of thousands of citations to subscription-only sources with no red padlock icons.
Folly Mox (
talk)
11:25, 27 June 2024 (UTC)
|url-access=ads
?
Folly Mox (
talk)
17:49, 27 June 2024 (UTC)
(subscription or advertising required)
I can't access the URL https://tvlistings.zap2it.com/overview.html?programSeriesId=SH01739244&aid=gapzap and marked it as dead, however another editor can apparently access it. Is there some kind of parameter that should be used here to note this? I was looking at {{ Cite web}} but didn't find one. Gonnym ( talk) 11:29, 27 June 2024 (UTC)
Any CS1 citation templates ends with "." However, this does not happen if a) |quote=
is used and its value does not end with "."; and b) no other parameter injects content into the rendered citation after the quotation content. Example:
{{cite book |editor1-last=Jenny |editor1-first=M. |editor2-last=Sidwell |editor2-first=P. |chapter=Reconstructing Austroasiatic prehistory |date=2015 |title=Handbook of the Austroasiatic Languages |location=Leiden |publisher=Brill |page=1 |quote=Sagart (2011) and Bellwood (2013) favour the middle Yangzi |ref=none}}
renders as:
Sagart (2011) and Bellwood (2013) favour the middle Yangzi
— SMcCandlish ☏ ¢ 😼 10:45, 28 June 2024 (UTC)
!.
, ?.
, etc. This functionality was established long before we had |postscript=none
.Reconstructing Austroasiatic prehistoryat doi: 10.1163/9789004283572, nor any chapter by that name across Brill. (Also I guess add a four dots sentence-terminal ellipsis to the quote as a workaround?) Folly Mox ( talk) 14:34, 30 June 2024 (UTC)
cs1|2 is somewhat schizophrenic when validating |year=
. If I write:
{{cite book |title=Title |year=August 2023}}
→ Title. August 2023.no error even though 'August 2023' is not a 'year'. But, if I write:
{{cite book |title=Title |year=August 2023 |date=August 2023}}
→ Title. August 2023. {{
cite book}}
: Check date values in: |year=
(
help)CS1 maint: date and year (
link)there is an error message because 'August 2023' is not a 'year'.
I propose to add a maintenance category to identify cs1|2 templates that have |year=
where the assigned value is not YYY
, YYYY
, their circa forms, year-only ranges, and with or without CITEREF
disambiguators. To make cs1|2 consistent in how it validates |year=
I propose that we define |year=
so that it may only hold one of the year formats named above. To accomplish that, we need to know where noncompliant |year=
year parameters exist so that they may be repaired before a fix is made in
Module:Citation/CS1/Date validation. The category is necessary because there are a so many non-cs1|2 templates that use |year=
that Cirrus searching is woefully inadequate.
Yea or nay?
—
Trappist the monk (
talk)
15:53, 29 June 2024 (UTC) 13:24, 30 June 2024 (UTC) (modified)
|year=2020–2022
, be treated? --
Michael Bednarek (
talk)
01:03, 30 June 2024 (UTC)
|date=2020–2022
. Clearly there will be whining about this so I have modified the proposed definition of |year=
.|date=
and |year=
explained at
Help talk:Citation Style 1/Archive 31#Preference between year or date parameter in Cite Journal. Two editors mention using |year=
to discourage future editors/bots from changing "YYYY" to something like "January YYYY" arbitrarily.
Rjjiii (
talk)
07:27, 30 June 2024 (UTC)|year=
parameters become errors categorized in the already existing
Category:CS1 errors: dates.{{cite book/new |title=Title |year=900}}
|year=900
(ok):
|year=c. 900
(ok):
|year=c. 900a
(ok):
|year=1900
(ok):
|year=900–1000
(ok):
|year=1951–52
(ok):
|year=August 1900
(not ok because month is not a year):
|year=Winter 1951–52
(not ok because season is not a year)::
|year=April–May 1900
(not ok because month range is not a year):
{{cite book/new |title=Title |year={{circa}} 900}}
{{
cite book}}
: Check date values in: |year=
(
help)CS1 maint: year (
link)"Volume values that are wholly digits, wholly uppercase Roman numerals, or fewer than five characters will appear in bold." Why is bold text used in these cases? - BobKilcoyne ( talk) 05:47, 30 June 2024 (UTC)
Why has this template recently changed from correctly citing references from the Clyde Ships website, such as https://www.clydeships.co.uk/view.php?ref=10727 and is now translating them to show them as Google, such as https://www.google.com.hk/?ref=10727&gws_rd=ssl ? Johnragla ( talk) 20:16, 30 June 2024 (UTC)
The cite magazine template should support the |agency parameter - for example this article
https://www.golfdigest.com/story/golf-hope-ap should be cited as
"Vegas Hangs On". Golf Digest. January 23, 2011. {{
cite magazine}}
: Unknown parameter |agency=
ignored (
help) - but that throws an error. Some magazines do use news agencies so this should be a supported parameter.
Tewapack (
talk)
19:39, 2 July 2024 (UTC)
{{cite news |url= https://www.golfdigest.com/story/golf-hope-ap |title= Vegas Hangs On |work= Golf Digest | date= January 23, 2011 |agency= Associated Press}}
Folly Mox (
talk)
16:13, 13 July 2024 (UTC)Maybe I'm bad at reading comprehension, but I couldn't find how to add a new supported language code on the page Template:Citation Style documentation/language/doc. Can anyone help please? Amir E. Aharoni ( talk) 12:14, 3 July 2024 (UTC)
mw.language.fetchLanguageNames(lang, 'all')
. To be displayed at
Template:Citation Style documentation/language/doc MediaWiki must have support for the language name/tag.Hi, @ Trappist the monk, it's me again, from Help talk:Citation Style 1/Archive 93#Limits. As I could see today by chance, my suggestion was excepted, and tabular data is a part of the code now, isn't it? IKhitron ( talk) 23:45, 3 July 2024 (UTC)
I tried to use {{ ill}} inside a {{ cite journal}}, like this:
* {{cite journal |author={{ill|Reinhold Merkelbach|de|Reinhold Merkelbach}} |title=Zwei neue orphisch-dionysische Totenpässe |lang=de |journal=Zeitschrift für Papyrologie und Epigraphik |number=76 |year=1989 |pages=15–16 |url=https://www.jstor.org/stable/20187001}}
But that currently renders without any wikilink, like this:
{{
cite journal}}
: Check |author=
value (
help)CS1 maint: multiple names: authors list (
link) CS1 maint: numeric names: authors list (
link)Is this bad interaction fixable by someone who knows about templates? -- Quuxplusone ( talk) 14:46, 6 July 2024 (UTC)
|author-link=:de:Reinhold Merkelbach
, which has the desired effect.
Folly Mox (
talk)
14:49, 6 July 2024 (UTC){{
ill}}
produces this:
[[Reinhold Merkelbach]]<span class="noprint" style="font-size:85%; font-style: normal; "> [[[:de:Reinhold Merkelbach|de]]]</span>
|author=
wants to see only a single name (which may be wikilinked) but it certainly does not want to see the styling that {{ill}}
adds.|author=[[:de:Reinhold Merkelbach|Reinhold Merkelbach]]
author-link
or otherwise) is right out. I'll leave it as-is for now, but I hope this can be fixed someday. (For example, by finding whatever innards of the author
field currently "want[] to see only a single name (which may be wikilinked)" and whitelisting {{
ill}} as a valid possibility there, too.) --
Quuxplusone (
talk)
17:39, 6 July 2024 (UTC)
{{cite journal |author=[[:de:Reinhold Merkelbach|Reinhold Merkelbach]] |title=Zwei neue orphisch-dionysische Totenpässe |lang=de |journal=Zeitschrift für Papyrologie und Epigraphik |number=76 |year=1989 |pages=15–16 |url=https://www.jstor.org/stable/20187001}}
[[:xx:Name]]
, will AFAIK forever prevent those links to be automatically converted to a local link if an article for that author gets written here. I wonder if this could be improved if the templates added a tracking category in those cases (in article space only) so that
User:Cewbot's
task #1, run by
User:Kanashimi, has a way of locating this usage. --
Michael Bednarek (
talk)
00:54, 7 July 2024 (UTC)
{{cite journal/new |author=[[:de:Reinhold Merkelbach|Reinhold Merkelbach]] |title=Zwei neue orphisch-dionysische Totenpässe |lang=de |journal=Zeitschrift für Papyrologie und Epigraphik |number=76 |year=1989 |pages=15–16 |url=https://www.jstor.org/stable/20187001}}
{{cite journal/new |author=Reinhold Merkelbach |author-link=:d:Q972677 |title=Zwei neue orphisch-dionysische Totenpässe |lang=de |journal=Zeitschrift für Papyrologie und Epigraphik |number=76 |year=1989 |pages=15–16 |url=https://www.jstor.org/stable/20187001}}
"cs1|2 annotates interwiki-linked author names so that readers can see that the interwiki-linked author name is at a non-English Wikipedia" — Oh, that's awesome! I recommend tweaking the formatting just a little bit, so that instead of displaying as " Reinhold Merkelbach [in German]" it would display as " Reinhold Merkelbach [ de]". (That's trivial, and would also address Michael Bednarek's defect report.) And then perhaps instead of making the user have to know to type [[:de:Thing|Thing]], permit them to type {{ill|Thing|de|Thing}}. That would have the effect of accomplishing what I'm looking for, as a very small modification of what you've already implemented. -- Quuxplusone ( talk) 17:41, 7 July 2024 (UTC)
Keep? Discard?+1 for 'keep'. -- Michael Bednarek ( talk) 03:00, 14 July 2024 (UTC)
I have to think that, for metadata purposes, it would be much cleaner to do this:
{{cite journal |last=Merkelbach |first=Reinhold |author-link=de:Reinhold Merkelbach |title=Zwei neue orphisch-dionysische Totenpässe |lang=de |journal=Zeitschrift für Papyrologie und Epigraphik |number=76 |date=1989 |pages=15–16 |url= https://www.jstor.org/stable/20187001}}
But for some reason this is mis-rendered, presumably due to some questionably desirable pre-filtering of the value of |author-link=
:
{{
cite journal}}
: Check |author-link=
value (
help)This:
{{cite journal |last=Merkelbach |first=Reinhold |author-mask=[[de:Reinhold Merkelbach|Merkelbach, Reinhold]] |title=Zwei neue orphisch-dionysische Totenpässe |lang=de |journal=Zeitschrift für Papyrologie und Epigraphik |number=76 |date=1989 |pages=15–16 |url= https://www.jstor.org/stable/20187001}}
also fails:
{{
cite journal}}
: Check |author-mask=
value (
help)Ideally, I would think |author-link=
would be the way to do this, and that it would detect the canonical other-project prefixes (mostly language codes), and do {{
ILL}}
-style stuff. Even if that's too much work, then just not barfing on a xx:
language-code prefix would be good, even if does no extra things borrowed from {{ILL}}
and just builds the link the way doing a bare [[de:Reinhold Merkelbach|Merkelbach, Reinhold]]
works outside the template:
Merkelbach, Reinhold. —
SMcCandlish
☏
¢ 😼
11:21, 14 July 2024 (UTC)
[[de:Reinhold Merkelbach|Merkelbach, Reinhold]]
→
Merkelbach, Reinhold|author=
parameter or uses the |author-link=
parameter; contributor, editor, etc links similarly suppressed.In a conversation at
Template talk:Internet Archive#Registration required parameter it was pointed out that {{
Cite book}} does not produce an external link indicator for a title URL if |url-access=
is specified:
What's the rationale? -- Michael Bednarek ( talk) 14:26, 7 July 2024 (UTC)
https://example.com/document.pdf A PDF Document
→
A PDF DocumentSmith, Adam (July 7, 2024).
Title (Speech). Event. Location. {{
cite speech}}
: Unknown parameter |transcript-url=
ignored (
help)
Amayorov (
talk)
17:59, 7 July 2024 (UTC)
|transcript=
and |transcript-url=
were not supported by {{
cite speech}}
in its wikitext (old) form so they are not supported in its current
Module:Citation/CS1 form:Wikitext | {{cite speech
|
---|---|
Old | Smith, Adam (July 7, 2024). Title (Speech). Event. Location. https://www.example.com. |
Live | Smith, Adam (July 7, 2024).
Title (Speech). Event. Location. {{
cite speech}} : Unknown parameter |transcript-url= ignored (
help); Unknown parameter |transcript= ignored (
help)
|
|transcript=Transcript Title
to your example so that |transcript-url=
would have something to link if it did work.|transcript=
parameters are supported by {{
cite av media}}
and {{
cite episode}}
.|transcripturl=
has been withdrawn globally. Nearly a year later, that table will be emptied at the next module suite update when support for |authors=
is withdrawn.The redirect Wikipedia:Lua cites has been listed at redirects for discussion to determine whether its use and function meets the redirect guidelines. Readers of this page are welcome to comment on this redirect at Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 July 8 § Wikipedia:Lua cites until a consensus is reached. Nickps ( talk) 13:48, 8 July 2024 (UTC)
Module:Citation has been nominated for deletion. You are invited to comment on the discussion at the entry on the Templates for discussion page. Nickps ( talk) 16:01, 8 July 2024 (UTC)
"Newsroom" (or "newsroom", "News-room", "news-room", "News Room", "News room", "news room"). I've encounted this in |last=
at least twice in the last month or so. Might need to flag "News" by itself, too, though I guess it's conceivable for someone to be named something like "Janet News". I know for a fact that Room is an extant surname. —
SMcCandlish
☏
¢ 😼
11:01, 14 July 2024 (UTC)
|last=
and was a bit surprised it's not considered a generic name. An insource:
search yielded around 1000 hits, including maybe 30% false positives because I didn't want to pound the servers with a regex to escape the =
. A quick scroll through the first 500 results showed a single valid usage as a surname, at
Ziphosuchia, with the balance of true positives consisting of publishing companies misparsed by Citoid and pals.
Folly Mox (
talk)
11:24, 14 July 2024 (UTC)
Company
or company
as whole values. If someone cares to check the results of
this search if may be possible to loosen the restriction so that the test finds names that include Company
or company
. Corporate authors are allowed so I don't think that we can error when a name simply includes Company
or company
.|last=Company
, without involving substring matching.
Folly Mox (
talk)
21:40, 14 July 2024 (UTC)|lastn=
or |authorn=
parameters with values that begin News
or news
. When I ran that search, I found: Newsby, Newsinger, Newsom, Newsome, Newstead, Newsum among the first 20 results; some of them multiple times. So our generic name search is limited to finding only News
or news
as whole values to avoid false positives.Newsroom
and newsroom
seems worthwhile; the others, not.Cite paper redirects to Cite journal. What should be done when the paper in question is a white paper published by a manufacturer, but not part of a journal, and not one of a clear series? It's more of a technical backgrounder on their significant invention. Andy Dingley ( talk) 13:50, 14 July 2024 (UTC)
|series=
. If this is about
Paxman Hi-Dyne engines, I'd probably go with {{
Cite web}}, since the reproduction of the original via Richard Carr's Paxman History Pages is a human conversion to HTML and the original source
is not what was consulted.
Folly Mox (
talk)
14:39, 14 July 2024 (UTC)
|type=White paper
?
Remsense
诉
15:42, 14 July 2024 (UTC)but if it's online and you don't need specific page numbersDo you mean to suggest that
{{
cite web}}
does not support the pagination parameters? If you do then you are mistook: