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Is there any reason to include an access-date parameter if the only outbound link is a Gale ID generated thru Template:Gale? I'm getting the error message. My assumption is that there isn't a reason to include access-date because Gale is an archive and the content shouldn't change, but I thought I'd double check. ThadeusOfNazereth(he/him) Talk to Me! 17:14, 18 December 2022 (UTC)
I was recently made aware that |location=
and the like
do not allow any digits to prevent misuse of the parameter, such as inserting page- and chapter numbers or unnecessary postal codes. But what if the number is essential to the location, say, 10 Downing Street? ~~
lol1
VNIO (I made a mistake?
talk to me) 21:19, 17 December 2022 (UTC)
|location=London
would suffice. –
Jonesey95 (
talk) 21:40, 17 December 2022 (UTC)
|location=London
|publisher=Prime Minister's Office
.
Imzadi 1979
→ 23:20, 17 December 2022 (UTC)
When a text is published with a translation, must |trans-quote=
and similar parameters use the translation in the text, or may an editor substitute a translation that she believes to be more accurate? This question is prompted by
https://en.wikipedia.org/?title=Hillel_the_Elder&curid=313892&diff=1125022169&oldid=1124176915, which I believe to be
WP:OR. Either way, it would be helpful if the documentation of, e.g., |trans-title=
, specified whether editors must respect the translations in the text.
Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz Username:Chatul (
talk) 14:50, 2 December 2022 (UTC)
|reason=
and |post-text=
parameters, linking the template to the Talk section you just added.
Mathglot (
talk) 19:40, 22 December 2022 (UTC)
|trans-quote=
in the {{
cite book}}; I view that as close to vandalism. --
Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz Username:Chatul (
talk) 20:26, 22 December 2022 (UTC)Notes
I have come across an unusual situation where the book I want to cite has a Wikipedia article and there is an external source where the book can be viewed freely. Is there any way to link both the Wikipedia article and the external source in the citation? Obi2canibe ( talk) 22:10, 20 December 2022 (UTC)
|url=
and forgo |title-link=
.
24.103.241.218 (
talk) 22:33, 20 December 2022 (UTC)
H:CS1 currently says Do not use sub-national postal abbreviations ("DE", "Wilts", etc.), per
MOS:POSTABBR.
This does not appear to actually be consistent with MOS:POSTABBR, which provides
Postal codes and abbreviations of place names—e.g., Calif. (California), TX (Texas), Yorks. (Yorkshire)—should not be used to stand for the full names in normal text
(emphasis added). References are not normal text, and are often allowed to deviate from abbreviation-related aspects of MoS. See e.g.
MOS:&. This also does not appear to be consistent with current practice, even in FAs. I count
174 featured articles matching the regex location *= *New York( City)?(\]\])?, N\.?Y\.?
;
38 for location Boston(\]\])?, M(A|ass[^a])
;
25 for San Francisco(^\]\])?, (CA|alif[^o])
; etc. It also doesn't seem consistent with common sense: One, because we abbreviate all sorts of things in references, and it's not clear why we would suddenly break with that practice for locations, even when something like "CA" for California is probably more recognizable than "eds." And two, because we allow location strings consisting only of city name (with fairly vague guidance as to when it's acceptable), creating a paradoxical situation in which "Boston" is allowed but the less ambiguous "Boston, MA" and "Boston, Mass." are not.
If this guidance must be kept, we should at a minimum remove the reference to a part of MoS that does not apply. But I would submit we should go further and remove the line outright, for the reasons outlined above—or walk it back to something like Do not use obscure or made-up abbreviations for place names. -- Tamzin cetacean needed (she|they|xe) 07:39, 19 December 2022 (UTC)
|publisher=
, it is meaningless otherwise. There is scarce chance for ambiguity there.
172.254.255.250 (
talk) 14:41, 22 December 2022 (UTC)
|location=
is sometimes used, especially in {{
cite news}}
, as a disambiguator for same-named newspapers (
The Times for example):
{{cite news |author=EB Green |date=22 December 2022 |title=Title |newspaper=The Times |location=Chicago |page=B3}}
Location is always followed by colons and the value in |publisher=
. That is not wholly true as my example shows.confusion between the degree ... and the location, you should be responding to posters who are discussing those things.
|location=
itself is ambiguous because it may refer either to the place of publication or to the place of the publisher (as a commercial entity), which may be different. So either have |publisher-location=
and |publication-place=
, or fix |location=
to mean "publisher location" (i.e. make it a conditional parameter dependent on |publisher=
) and disambiguate newspapers in another manner, perhaps following MOS (parenthetical location after title).
65.88.88.69 (
talk) 19:54, 22 December 2022 (UTC)
{{
cite news}}
template using |location=
to disambiguate |newspaper=
can be seen at
Template:Cite news/doc § Examples so apparently that sort of use of |location=
is not new.|publication-place=
, |place=
, and |location=
function identically. The confusion arises when |publication-place=
is used with either of |location=
or |place=
which confusion I should like to see go away by making these three parameters equal aliases of one another (something that I have periodically raised on these talk pages in the past – last discussion that referred to that is at
Help talk:Citation Style 1/Archive 86 § place, when publication-place is redundant with work).Generally, move away from aliases.Right. Don't hold your breath; that cow has been out of the barn for far too long.
Indeed. But let's not add more. Perhaps it is better to think of adding CS3, built with the hopeful view that all the intractable design glitches that have nothing to do with technical issues could be swept away in a clean slate. And let the best solution win. 24.168.89.97 ( talk) 20:51, 23 December 2022 (UTC)
|location=
may mean two different things, something that should be fixed.
65.88.88.69 (
talk) 19:57, 22 December 2022 (UTC)I'm adding details to a citation, and the publisher shows
The documentation doesn't show |isbn-10=
and |isbn-13=
parameters. Which ISBN goes in the |isbn=
parameter?
Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz Username:Chatul (
talk) 16:39, 8 December 2022 (UTC)
Trying to overhaul Howard Florey and getting a warning: CS1 maint: DOI inactive as of October 2022. How do you suppress this warning? Obviously we can just drop it but I keyed it in to the university system and it came up okay, via the Wiley Online Library. Looks like a "virtual" doi. Hawkeye7 (discuss) 03:18, 26 December 2022 (UTC)
|doi-broken-date=
. The actual doi appears to be
doi:
10.1038/npg.els.0002792 not
doi:
10.1038/png.els.0002792.Category:CS1 errors: URL has about 6,500 pages even after I run my bot through them. Is there a way to generate a report with the most common errors, so we can see if we can fix them via bot? Thanks! GoingBatty ( talk) 06:08, 2 January 2023 (UTC)
|archive-url=
errors occur when |archive-url=
is a duplicate of |url=
, so that's something to look into. There's also a few
chapter-url and
contribution-url issues. Thanks!
GoingBatty (
talk) 07:07, 2 January 2023 (UTC)If a book is published on foo, reprinted on bar and scanned from the bar printing on baz, what date parameters are appropriate for citing the baz PDF of bar? Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz Username:Chatul ( talk) 15:19, 4 January 2023 (UTC)
|orig-date=
).
Umimmak (
talk) 15:30, 4 January 2023 (UTC){{cite book|year=2022|orig-year=oroginally published 2021 by Foo|title=Title|url=http://www.example.com/example.pdf|edition=reprint|publisher=Bar|via=Baz}}
|type=
here would be "pdf", but this is preformatted in the citation (the parameter |format=
would be superfluous for the same reason). Even though binding info is not included in CS1/2 metadata, you may want to include one of these parameters anyway, in case some aggregator imports the citation texts themselves, in which case the format/binding icon will not display.|orig-year=oroginally published 2021 by Foo
and |via=Baz
would be inappropriate. What inspired my question was edit
https://en.wikipedia.org/?title=Newline&curid=238775&diff=1131455576&oldid=1121592635, which includes the comment PDF date=1 August 2002in the {{ cite book}} template
Qualline, Steve (2001). Vi Improved - Vim (PDF). Sams Publishing. p. 120. ISBN 9780735710016. Archived from the original (PDF) on 8 April 2022. Retrieved 4 January 2023..
|url=
is just a convenience link for the reader. The book itself was published in 2001 as far as I can tell from WorldCat
OCLC
247896918. Kind of frustrating that this PDF seems to lack the frontmatter with the actual date and copyright information, but the comment I guess got the date from metadata and is just making a note on the off chance this PDF is not the exact same as the book.
Umimmak (
talk) 16:32, 4 January 2023 (UTC)If you want to cite the dates a podcast runs from, how do you do that? Like |date=18 December 2020 – present
? The field does not like that parameter and throws up errors. How do you do that without causing a problem?
Eievie (
talk) 01:02, 8 January 2023 (UTC)
{{cite book}}
template in the list of someone's books is common practice; why not use the associated templates for rest of a person's works as well?
Eievie (
talk) 01:11, 8 January 2023 (UTC)
|date=2020–2024
.
Izno (
talk) 01:34, 8 January 2023 (UTC)
|date=from Dec 2020
and that threw an error too :/ Is there any way to just silence the error in the template?
Eievie (
talk) 01:58, 8 January 2023 (UTC)
I know not all users have access to Wikipedia Library, but especially with its recent expansion, many previously pay-for or institution-locked journals etc. are completely accessible for users meeting requirements. Would it be possible, then, to add a parameter (or an option for the url-access parameter) that says a source is free through Wikipedia Library? Kingsif ( talk) 02:52, 9 January 2023 (UTC)
|via=
Wikipedia Library
.
172.254.255.250 (
talk) 12:58, 9 January 2023 (UTC)
|via=
to indicate that website, not the library because the library didn't republish the article.
Imzadi 1979
→ 19:07, 9 January 2023 (UTC)
|via=
, which is certainly sufficient to me. There's other discussion in the archives about the utility in general of using |via=
to indicate libraries (short answer is don't, which I think is also either directly in
WP:Citing sources or similarly discussed on its talk page) as well as a few other discussions directly pertinent mostly under "TWL" but all older than that RFC.
Izno (
talk) 19:22, 9 January 2023 (UTC)|via=
may not be proper (even though allowable), and the citation should be silent on the matter. I also agree with Izno that a specific parameter adds nothing to the citation's purpose. With well-established rationale, citations don't credit other physical or virtual libraries; I don't see why TWL should be an exception.
65.88.88.70 (
talk) 20:46, 9 January 2023 (UTC)Are there provisions in the template for referring to multiple series when a book is listed as part of more than one series? For example, Itineraria Phoenicia is the volume 127 of the Orientalia Lovaniensia analecta series and the volume 18 of the Studia Phoenicia series. But I am not sure how to add both of these to the template when using it in articles. Antiquistik ( talk) 11:12, 18 December 2022 (UTC)
The following doi lands on a Crossref disambiguation page:
doi
Is it possible to bypass it? The actual object can be directly accessed as:
www
Adding /html
at the end of |doi=
is not clever:
{{cite book|title=Expanded cinema|doi=10.1515/9780823287437/html}}
65.88.88.69 ( talk) 21:21, 12 January 2023 (UTC)
|url=https://www.degruyter.com/document/doi/10.1515/9780823287437/html |url-access=subscription
|jstor=j.ctvnwbz7q
|id=[[Doi (identifier)|doi:]][https://www.degruyter.com/document/doi/10.1515/9780823287437/html 10.1515/9780823287437]}}
:
not to have me do the research the citation writer should have done— what "research"? Both links in the crossref disambiguation page go to the same source; one's just on JSTOR and one's on DeGruyter. As David Eppstein says it's good to include both in case a reader has access to one versus the other. Umimmak ( talk) 02:49, 14 January 2023 (UTC)
Isn't the point of |doi=
to retrieve the source? unlike |title=
or |issn=
that are used to find it. If the consensus is to accept |doi=
as a (sometime) lookup parameter rather than an access/retrieval one, that should be explicitly pointed out.
69.203.140.37 (
talk) 14:02, 14 January 2023 (UTC)
Switch lookup to The ISSN Portal (or its advanced search facility [2]). Far less likely to return multiple targets compared to Worldcat. 50.75.226.250 ( talk) 23:09, 13 January 2023 (UTC)
Template Interlanguage link doesn't works in author parameter. Eurohunter ( talk) 21:27, 14 January 2023 (UTC)
This template should not be used in citation templates such as Citation Style 1 and Citation Style 2, because it includes markup that will pollute the COinS metadata they produce; see Wikipedia:COinS. |
Wikitext | {{cite book
|
---|---|
Live | Goethe [in German]. Wandrers Nachtlied. |
According to its copyright page, this book was "[p]ublished jointly by Oxford University Committee for Archaeology Institute of Archaeology, Beaumont Street, Oxford and UCLA Institute of Archaeology Los Angeles, California". In keeping therewith, it has two ISBNs ( ISBN 0-947816-19-4, 0-917956-66-4), and is part of two series (University of Oxford Committee for Archaeology, Monograph No. 19; UCLA Institute for Archaeology, Archaeological Research Tools 5). Is there a way to record all of this information in the {{ cite book}} template? -- Usernameunique ( talk) 01:27, 16 January 2023 (UTC)
On
Template:Cite book the output links to the old
ISBN (identifier) article via a redirect from a page move instead of directly to the updated article name of
ISBN. See
David_Crosby#Publications for an output example of the ISBN redirect link. Cheers! {{u|
WikiWikiWayne}} {
Talk}
10:50, 20 January 2023 (UTC)
In a cite book like
the order of presentation is a bit messed up, with the location/publisher inserted between volume and pages. Contrast with cite journal which keeps such information together
This is extremely jarring, as opposed to the more natural presentation that would keep like information together (series, volume, issues, pages, then publisher). I believe we should follow cite journal and present things in this order instead
Headbomb { t · c · p · b} 02:54, 17 January 2023 (UTC)
extremely jarring, plenty of citation styles have the volume number before the publication information, not next to the pages:
I tend to agree with Imzadi and disagree with Headbomb on book series. I would find it very jarring to have the volume within a series separated from the series title. I don't so much care whether the series+volume go before or after the publisher, but they should not be separated. — David Eppstein ( talk) 07:32, 17 January 2023 (UTC)
|title=
(journal/magazine) or |chapter=
(book). In-source locations such as page numbers, sections etc. are secondary search elements that can also be presented in short cites. When in full citations, their position could be part of the series/volume block I suppose.
184.74.237.158 (
talk) 14:47, 17 January 2023 (UTC)I would like to cite this pdf which contains material related to the history of the Drug Enforcement Administration (DEA). I initially thought it was an excerpt from a book due to the appearance and page numbers noted, however, I could not identify an author or book title. Trying to locate title page information, I found that the pdf could be accessed through this page at dea.gov which has a few other sections in pdf format, but the earliest one began with page 12. There is nothing prior to page 12 or a title page. I then found that material was hosted by the United States Department of Justice here almost 18 years ago. This material may never have truly been a book, so I am wondering which template to use to cite the material in the pdf. My initial impression was to use {{cite book}} but I don't have a book title. Thanks! - Location ( talk) 20:13, 21 January 2023 (UTC)
How do I add multiple editors to cite book? Mucube ( talk • contribs) 05:15, 23 January 2023 (UTC)
|editor1-first=
and |editor1-last=
, or 2) acceptable: |editor1=
. Increment the number as appropriate.
Izno (
talk) 05:23, 23 January 2023 (UTC)Case A:
{{cite AV media|title=Media-Title|transcript=Transcript|quote-page=Quote-location from transcript|quote=Quote.}}
Media-Title. Transcript. Quote.
Case B:
{{cite AV media|title=Media-Title|quote-page=[[Title sequence]]|quote=Quote.}}
Media-Title. Quote.
What happened here? It was working a few days ago. Please fix. 65.88.88.69 ( talk) 21:39, 25 January 2023 (UTC)
{{
cite AV media}}
:
|minutes=
or |time=
.@ Trappist the monk: ?? this needs fixing. 68.173.78.83 ( talk) 12:58, 27 January 2023 (UTC)
This may not be the proper forum for this inquiry, so I apologize in advance. I wonder if I should cite the original article in French or the translated article in English for material I read in the English version. I only read/speak English, it is the English version that I read, and this is the English version of Wikipedia. If I use the English version, do I link to the French version in {{cite journal}}? Thus far I have:
{{cite journal |last=Marchant |first=Alexandre |year=2012 |title=The French Connection: Between Myth and Reality |url=https://www.cairn-int.info/article-E_VIN_115_0089--the-french-connection-between-myths.htm |journal=Vingtième Siècle. Revue d’histoire |language=French |volume=115 |issue=3 |pages=89-102 |doi=10.3917/vin.115.0089 |access-date=January 31, 2023}}
Marchant, Alexandre (2012).
"The French Connection: Between Myth and Reality". Vingtième Siècle. Revue d’histoire (in French). 115 (3): 89–102.
doi:
10.3917/vin.115.0089. Retrieved January 31, 2023.
Thanks! - Location ( talk) 16:02, 31 January 2023 (UTC)
This
edit request to
Module:Citation/CS1 has been answered. Set the |answered= or |ans= parameter to no to reactivate your request. |
|quote-page=
in the {{
cite AV media}} templates. The parameter was withdrawn without acknowledgement in the latest module update, advertised here:
§ module suite update 14–15 January 2023. local QuotePage;
local QuotePages;
if not utilities.in_array (config.CitationClass, cfg.templates_not_using_page) then -- TODO: rewrite to emit ignored parameter error message?
Page = A'Page'];
Pages = utilities.hyphen_to_dash (A'Pages']);
At = A'At'];
QuotePage = A'QuotePage'];
QuotePages = utilities.hyphen_to_dash (A'QuotePages']);
end
templates not using pagearray in Module:Citation/CS1/Configuration line 673
local templates_not_using_page = {'audio-visual', 'episode', 'mailinglist', 'newsgroup', 'podcast', 'serial', 'sign', 'speech'}
104.247.55.106 ( talk) 15:53, 30 January 2023 (UTC)
{{
Edit protected}}
template. You know how it works around here.
Izno (
talk) 17:01, 30 January 2023 (UTC)
|quote-page=
. It should be reverted and then consensus should be established for its removal. Revert immediately, as this affects verification.|quote-page=
. A simple edit in the main module to @ Trappist the monk: please can you comment on this? — Martin ( MSGJ · talk) 13:00, 31 January 2023 (UTC)
'quote-location'
could have aliases depending on the medium quoted from: 'quote-page' (text) 'quote-time' (AV streams) 'quote-frame' (continuous visuals) 'quote-section' (static visuals, maps or text)
etc. It is up to the citation writer to make the choices so that the citation is understood and is relevant to the related wikitext.
24.103.101.218 (
talk) 15:16, 1 February 2023 (UTC)The facts are presented and one can recognize them or hold an opinion instead.No you opinion of the facts is presented, I don't think its presented very well. -- LCU ActivelyDisinterested ∆ transmissions∆ ° co-ords° 18:09, 1 February 2023 (UTC)
What is not a fact? That the removal of quote-page from the AV template was non-consensual? That quotes from the source may be given to support wikitext? That transcript parameters exist in templates for accessibility reasons and may be quoted? That quote locations are needed to find and verify the quote? That citations cite sources, and the medium/media of the source is secondary? 208.253.152.74 ( talk) 20:23, 1 February 2023 (UTC)
Administrator note While the consensus for this change may not have been initially established clearly, subsequent discussion in this thread shows that this change does have general support. To help me decide whether this change needs reverting, please can you answer the following questions as succintly as possible:
— Martin ( MSGJ · talk) 12:02, 2 February 2023 (UTC)
{{
cite av media}}
is used on
32,473 articles. Of those:
Of course none show the use of quote-page since it is ignored.pertain to Trappist's comment? He posted results of a search which identifies where the parameter is used. You either understand what those searches do and so that comment is irrelevant, or you don't understand what they do and so that comment is incorrect. Izno ( talk) 23:51, 2 February 2023 (UTC)
{{
cite AV media}}
templates in those articles have this:
{{cite AV media|ref={{harvid|J. Krishnamurti|2018a}}|last=Jiddu|first=Krishnamurti...
}
of the {{
harvid}}
template terminates the regex match before it gets to |quote-page(s)=
. Not clear to me why {{harvid}}
is needed nor why the values assigned to |first=
and |last=
appear to be swapped... Fixing that would, it seems, negate the need for {{harvid}}
. Editor
Izno's search finds seven false positives because .*
is greedy so it finds the start of a {{cite AV media}}
template and then continues to consume text until it finds \| *quote\-page
in the same template (a true match) or in some other template (false positive).{{
cite web}}
, marking the transcript citation with |type=Transcript
, and setting |ref=none
so that the short-form references link to the video citation.Not done I am satisfied that reverting this change is not necessary nor desirable, for the various reasons given — Martin ( MSGJ · talk) 20:33, 2 February 2023 (UTC)
|time=
is equivalent to the parameter |page=
. There is no parameter |quote-time=
in AV media templates as an equivalent of |quote-page=
in other media templatesAs noted at User talk:AnomieBOT/Archive 14#Unhelpful edit by AnomieBOT, sometimes substituting {{ cita web}} causes the actual cite information to be erased and an error to be put inappropriately into the wikitext. I have today encountered several cases where someone wrote "cita web" where "cite web" would have been correct. User:Anomie suggested changing the template so it does the right thing if the English "title" parameter is detected. Would that be feasible, and is there anyone who knows how to do that? -- Beland ( talk) 17:09, 1 February 2023 (UTC)
{{
cita web}}
changed from a nonsense template to a simple redirect to {{
cite web}}
with
this edit{{cita web}}
citation added to
2022 Abu Dhabi Grand Prix at
this edit; at the time, {{cita web}}
was still a simple redirect to {{cite web}}
. I wonder if Editor
Island92 copied that template from the Spanish Wikipedia article
es:Anexo:Gran Premio de Abu Dabi de 2022 and then modified it to fix the unrecognized parameter errors but did not change the template's name{{cita web}}
repointed to {{
cite web/Italian or Spanish}}
– this invokes the auto-translation supplied by
Module:CS1 translator. In this case, auto-translator cannot know which language (Italian or Spanish) it should translate because the indicators, |título=
(Spanish) or |titolo=
(Italian), have been replaced with |title=
(English) so it emits the {{cita book/news/web}} requires |título= (Spanish) or |titolo= (Italian) error message. The error message is visible to editors before substing so they have the opportunity to fix the template. This of course presumes that editors preview their work...{{cita web}}
template with
this edit{{Cita web|título=Ricciardo handed 3-place grid drop for final McLaren outing after Magnussen contact in Sao Paulo GP|url=https://www.formula1.com/en/latest/article.ricciardo-handed-3-place-grid-drop-for-final-mclaren-outing-after-magnussen.3ZOlOOLHp34z24z2oZwIi5.html|obra=[[Fórmula 1]]|editorial=Formula One World Championship Limited|fecha=13 de noviembre de 2022|fechaacceso=19 de noviembre de 2022|idioma=en}}
|expand=yes
added to get this rendering):
{{cite web/subst |access-date=19 November 2022 |date=13 November 2022 |language=en |publisher=Formula One World Championship Limited |title=Ricciardo handed 3-place grid drop for final McLaren outing after Magnussen contact in Sao Paulo GP |url=https://www.formula1.com/en/latest/article.ricciardo-handed-3-place-grid-drop-for-final-mclaren-outing-after-magnussen.3ZOlOOLHp34z24z2oZwIi5.html |work=[[Fórmula 1]]}}
{{
cita web}}
template does not have a native-language |title=
parameter. The error message is supposed to tell editors that something is wrong that needs attention. In the example case, we have an edge condition where {{
cita web}}
was placed in the article before the auto-translation and substitution was activated.Staff should be added as a generic name for https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:CS1_errors:_generic_name BhamBoi ( talk) 01:06, 3 February 2023 (UTC)
So the issue of double quote marks in fields that are automatically enclosed in double quote marks (like "title" and "quote") seems to come up periodically:
Intending to enforce MOS:DOUBLE I had been using a regex to replace lots of single quote marks with double quote marks. I didn't realize that doing this in {{ cite web}} and friends renders as double-inside-double quote marks, which I agree looks bad. I disabled that and was going to write a new regex to fix my mistakes (and I guess everyone else's) but then I had the same question as those who came before - should this instead be fixed by just making the template smarter?
If that's not in the works and it's "only" 60K instances or so, I can start slowly normalizing all instances. User:Trappist the monk mentioned this nice search, but that's not something I can use when I'm grepping surface-level wikitext in Python without Mediawiki. If anyone can produce a complete list of which templates and parameters this kind of fix should be applied to, I can put that to good use; otherwise I'll probably just start with the "title" and "quote" parameters of {{ cite web}}, {{ cite news}}, and {{ cite journal}}, and the "chapter" parameter of {{ cite book}}. -- Beland ( talk) 04:22, 3 February 2023 (UTC)
title=Song Review: "They Call Me 'Buddy' and I Like It"
? And what if an editor uses the correct syntax and writes title=Song Review: 'They Call Me "Buddy" and I Like It'
? –
Jonesey95 (
talk) 15:06, 3 February 2023 (UTC)What is template:cite thesis, if not a giant violation of Wikipedia's policy against original research? By definition a thesis is original research, as it is something submitted by a student to the head of a department at a university. Am I missing something? Are we now considering what is effectively a very large homework assignment to be on equal footing with peer-reviewed research? — Soap — 23:42, 3 February 2023 (UTC)
Dissertations – Completed dissertations or theses written as part of the requirements for a doctorate, and which are publicly available (most via interlibrary loan or from Proquest), can be used but care should be exercised, as they are often, in part, primary sources.It goes on with other details. -- LCU ActivelyDisinterested ∆ transmissions∆ ° co-ords° 00:49, 4 February 2023 (UTC)
March 29 has a cite journal ref with S2CID error. The S2CID is 256374391 and it was added by the Citation bot. The link also works correctly.
The limit needs to be increased. Ciridae ( talk) 08:02, 4 February 2023 (UTC)
The |issue=
field in {{cite magazine}} automatically adds a "no." before the issue number. Sometimes, however, there are unnumbered and named issues (like a special issue for a trade show) or issues are named things like January-March 1983. Could we add either a new field (I suggest |issue-name=
) or add a parameter akin to |no-pp=
? Thank you,
Mr.choppers |
✎ 05:10, 6 February 2023 (UTC)
|date=January–March 1983
instead of |issue=
.
GoingBatty (
talk) 14:03, 6 February 2023 (UTC)
|date=October 1883 – March 1884
.
Mr.choppers |
✎ 02:28, 8 February 2023 (UTC)PMC 9906186 throws an error. The limit should be increased to 10000000 Headbomb { t · c · p · b} 19:49, 11 February 2023 (UTC)
Could "PressReader.com - Digital Newspaper & Magazine Subscriptions" be added to the generic titles list. There are currently 409 articles with this title in the references. Thanks. Keith D ( talk) 09:58, 12 February 2023 (UTC)
I personally would prefer that the templates be redesigned so that they can support a URL and a wikilink at the same time, with the URL becoming a "read online" link (like how FRwiki has "voir en ligne" links).
Until that happens, the question is whether citations of books should have general URLs (not page number specific URLs but general URLs) as supreme over wikilinks (in the case the book has a Wikipedia article) or whether the wikilink should be supreme (with the general URL to the book being taken out of the template and/or being listed on the external links section of the book's Wikipedia article).
The reason why I prefer wikilinks is that it encourages the Wikipedians checking the sources to consider in-depth information about the book itself when evaluating claims made by the source (for example academic book reviews on a book may reveal weaknesses in the book's methodology, minor errors, etc. and such would be covered in a Wikipedia article on the book). WhisperToMe ( talk) 21:47, 24 January 2023 (UTC)
A link to the actual source is preferred to a link to a Wikipedia article about the source.Umimmak ( talk) 22:40, 24 January 2023 (UTC)
A link to the actual source is better than a link to a Wikipedia article about the source.. The current version was created at this edit 18 October 2013:
A link to the actual source is preferred to a link to a Wikipedia article about the source.
|titlelink=
was added to
Module:Citation (the now-defunct predecessor of
Module:Citation/CS1) at
this edit 7 September 2012. Before that, linking |title=
to a wikipedia article about the title could only be accomplished by wikilinking the value assigned to |title=
(|titlelink=
is not supported by {{
citation/core}}
).|url=
should take precedence over |title-link=
. The purpose of a citation is to identify for the reader where the editor found the information that is included in the en.wiki article. If you want the reader to visit the en.wiki page about the title, add a wikilink at the end of the citation: [[<en.wiki article title>|About this source]]
or some such.Do not reject reliable sources just because they are difficult or costly to access. Some reliable sources are not easily accessible.Instead, it talks about the reliability of sources. That can be verified by looking up the book, the creator and the publisher. That's why we have author-link and title-link. That's why the Wikipedia article on the book is so relevant. As it happens, the links you are describing would be of little use to me. Hawkeye7 (discuss) 04:44, 25 January 2023 (UTC)
|url=
and |title-link=
are lookup parameters, not access ones. They should help the reader to quickly find the correct source so s/he can verify the wikitext and move on.
67.243.247.14 (
talk) 15:33, 25 January 2023 (UTC)
while the talk page of an article about the book can be used to document issues concerning the book as a whole (which can then be moved to RSN).100% against this. All discussions should be at RSN, as that is the place people will be watching for such discussions. -- LCU ActivelyDisinterested ∆ transmissions∆ ° co-ords° 14:06, 29 January 2023 (UTC)
I personally would prefer that the templates be redesigned so that they can support a URL and a wikilink at the same time, with the URL becoming a "read online" link (like how FRwiki has "voir en ligne" links).While I'm not sure that the French Wikipedia model of placing links to sources right at the end of all citations (regardless of whether there is an internal link) is desirable, I think it's worth exploring how we could potentially accommodate both an internal and an external link. Do we have any ideas what this could look like? Graham ( talk) 05:13, 14 February 2023 (UTC)
Allowed Template:Cite_book keywords for Named-identifier access-indicator parameters: |bibcode-access= |doi-access= |hdl-access= |jstor-access= |ol-access= |osti-access= |s2cid-access= should include free and open
The text in {{
cite conference}} is mostly generic, and it is not clear which parameter to use for which datum, e.g., should the name of the paper be in |section=
or in |title=
. If there is a conference with published proceedings, what is an appropriate citation for a paper given at that conference, assuming that there is a URL for the paper and for the proceedings? Should there be parameters for the conference editors, or only for the authors of the cited paper?
Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz Username:Chatul (
talk) 16:02, 7 February 2023 (UTC)
{{
cite conference}}
is peculiar and should be deprecated and replaced with a new design. Don't hold your breath for that to happen; when I've said that before, the response from the community has been indifference.|book-title=
; paper title goes in |title=
. |url=
is the url of the paper; there is no url-holding parameter for |book-title=
. Free-form information about the conference can go in |conference=
(which can be supported with |conference-url=
) but why bother? we aren't citing the conference itself but rather a published paper in a proceedings. Consider using {{
cite book}}
instead.{{
cite web}}
template). If you consulted the version published by AMS, cite that source (consider a simple {{
cite book}}
template).How do you split a name in {{
cite book}} when it contains an honorific or suffix, e.g., |author=John Stuart Stutz, 3rd
?
Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz Username:Chatul (
talk) 11:31, 15 February 2023 (UTC)
|first=
, |editor-first=
, link to
WP:JR? --
Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz Username:Chatul (
talk) 16:13, 15 February 2023 (UTC)
[[WP|JR]]
) to the documentation if you think it important to do so.I don't know how to format this date range correctly. I have used an ndash and capitalised the seasons correctly, by still getting a CS1 error:
Hawkeye7 (discuss) 06:14, 16 February 2023 (UTC)
{{cite magazine |title=Fulton, Penicillin and Chance |magazine=Yale Medicine Magazine |date=Fall 1999 – Winter 2000 |url=https://medicine.yale.edu/news/yale-medicine-magazine/article/fulton-penicillin-and-chance/ |access-date=16 February 2023}}-> "Fulton, Penicillin and Chance". Yale Medicine Magazine. Fall 1999 – Winter 2000. Retrieved 16 February 2023.
Just like Category:CS1 maint: Zbl tracks temporary Zbl assignments, so should Category:CS1 maint: bibcode track temporary bibcode assignments, e.g. [3].
You can tell it's a temporary assignment when tmp
is found in positions 11-13 (or more strictly, .tmp.
in positions 10-14).
Headbomb {
t ·
c ·
p ·
b} 16:13, 18 February 2023 (UTC)
.tmp.
as a temporary assignment. Is there 'official' documentation that does?
.tmp.
in positions 10-14
{{cite book/new |title=Title |bibcode=2022NatAs.tmp..273S}}
{{
cite book}}
: CS1 maint: bibcode (
link)Template:Cite ODNB/doc says:
If date and year parameters are both set then date parameter value is displayed but year parameter value is used by templates such as {{ harvnb}}.
But setting both adds the article to Category:CS1 maint: date and year. Is this still true, or should it be replaced with a note advising avoiding setting both? ‑‑ Yodin T 02:13, 20 February 2023 (UTC)
CITEREF
disambiguation. Since the adoption of
Module:Citation/CS1 as the engine that renders cs1|2 templates, use of both |date=
and |year=
for CITEREF
disambiguation is not needed except when when the date in |date=
is written using the YYYY-MM-DD format because disambiguation is not supported in that format. When the year portion of |date=
(in any allowed format except YYYY-MM-DD) is the same as the year in |year=
(ignoring disambiguation), Module:Citation/CS1 adds the page to
Category:CS1 maint: date and year. When the year portions of |date=
and |year=
are different, Module:Citation/CS1 emits an error message and adds the page to the appropriate error category.Editor
حبيشان has tweaked function reformat_dates()
in
Module:Citation/CS1/Date validation/sandbox so that the code breaks out of the for
when the date is reformated. This seems a sensible change that should cause no problems.
— Trappist the monk ( talk) 16:08, 20 February 2023 (UTC)
I propose to update cs1|2 module suite over the weekend 14–15 January 2023. Here are the changes:
|article-number=
in journal and conference cites;
discussion|display-authors=0
/ |display-editors=0
and |others=
has a value;
discussion|quote=
;
discussionModule:Citation/CS1/Configuration
|article-number=
in journal and conference cites;|article-number=
in journal and conference cites;Module:Citation/CS1/Date validation
|date=
, |year=
, |publication-date=
;
discussion|article-number=
in journal and conference cites;Module:Citation/CS1/styles.css
— Trappist the monk ( talk) 16:48, 7 January 2023 (UTC)
{{cite web|https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=iu13xdDmBd8&feature=youtu.be = It's The End of the World as we Know it and I Feel Fine |website = [[youtube]]}}
updated emoji list- these 🐱👤🐱🚀 🐱🐉🐱💻🐱👓 🐱🏍 emoji are not included and will throw an error if used in citations:
{{
cite web}}
: zero width joiner character in |title=
at position 2 (
help)
Gonnym (
talk) 12:52, 25 January 2023 (UTC)
emoji_t{}
was derived:
emoji_t{}
emoji_t{}
{{cite book |title=🐱🚀}}
→ 🐱🚀.{{cite book |title=🐱💻}}
→ 🐱💻.emoji_t{}
emoji_t{}
emoji_t{}
emoji_t{}
{{cite book |title=🐱👤}}
→ 🐱👤. {{
cite book}}
: zero width joiner character in |title=
at position 2 (
help){{cite book |title=🐱🐉}}
→ 🐱🐉. {{
cite book}}
: zero width joiner character in |title=
at position 2 (
help){{cite book |title=🐱👓}}
→ 🐱👓. {{
cite book}}
: zero width joiner character in |title=
at position 2 (
help){{cite book |title=🐱🏍}}
→ 🐱🏍. {{
cite book}}
: zero width joiner character in |title=
at position 2 (
help)emoji_t{}
has entries for U+1F680 ROCKET (
line 970) and U+1F4BB PERSONAL COMPUTER (
line 969).userfield in the
cite tweettemplate is being checked, which is a little unexpected. This is probably more likely because of how
cite tweet(mis)uses the parameter, more than anything else.
{{
cite tweet}}
is not a cs1|2 template so this talk page is not the correct place to discuss that template's problems.{{cite tweet}}
is a wrapper template around {{
cite web}}
. |user=
is checked because {{cite tweet}}
concatenates |last=
/|first=
or |author=
with |user=
which forms a value that is assigned to the {{cite web}}
|author=
parameter. Seems to me that the |user=
value and its attendant markup don't belong in |author=
. Instead, the {{cite tweet}}
|first=
, |last=
, and |author=
, should be passed to {{cite web}}
unmolested. Those same parameters plus |author-link=
could be assembled into |author-mask=
. For example, rewriting your demonstration citation as a {{cite web}}
template:
{{cite web |first=Zach |last=Cohen |author-mask=Cohen, Zack [@ZcohenCNN] |url=https://twitter.com/ZcohenCNN/status/1625249963897679878 |date=February 13, 2023 |title=Lorem ipsum dolor sit amet. |type=Tweet |via=[[Twitter]]}}
Nearly every archive-url is from archive.org and all of these links always have the archive date built into the url. I'd imagine then it should be possible to compare the url with the entered archive-date and if they don't match, throw up either an error or maintenance flag. – Mesidast ( talk) 21:08, 20 February 2023 (UTC)
|archive-date=
does not match timestamp in Wayback Machine urls:
{{cite news/new |author=John Roach |date=July 17, 2003 |title=Baja California Rock Art Dated to 7,500 Years Ago |url=http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2003/07/0717_030717_bajarockart_2.html |work=[[National Geographic News]] |archive-url=https://web.archive.org/web/20051110174949/http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2003/07/0717_030717_bajarockart_2.html |archive-date=November 1, 2005}}
{{
cite news}}
: |archive-date=
/ |archive-url=
timestamp mismatch; November 10, 2005 suggested (
help){{cite news/new |author=John Roach |date=July 17, 2003 |title=Baja California Rock Art Dated to 7,500 Years Ago |url=http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2003/07/0717_030717_bajarockart_2.html |work=[[National Geographic News]] |archive-url=https://web.archive.org/web/20051110174949/http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2003/07/0717_030717_bajarockart_2.html |archive-date=1 November 2005}}
{{
cite news}}
: |archive-date=
/ |archive-url=
timestamp mismatch; 10 November 2005 suggested (
help){{cite news/new |author=John Roach |date=July 17, 2003 |title=Baja California Rock Art Dated to 7,500 Years Ago |url=http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2003/07/0717_030717_bajarockart_2.html |work=[[National Geographic News]] |archive-url=https://web.archive.org/web/20051110174949/http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2003/07/0717_030717_bajarockart_2.html |archive-date=2005-11-01}}
{{
cite news}}
: |archive-date=
/ |archive-url=
timestamp mismatch; 2005-11-10 suggested (
help)|archive-url=
does not have |archive-date=
but we don't emit an error message when |archive-date=
does not have |archive-url=
. Fixed that:
{{cite news/new |author=John Roach |date=July 17, 2003 |title=Baja California Rock Art Dated to 7,500 Years Ago |url=http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2003/07/0717_030717_bajarockart_2.html |work=[[National Geographic News]] |archive-date=2005-11-10}}
{{
cite news}}
: |archive-date=
requires |archive-url=
(
help)|archive-date=
should only accept single-day dates (the same restriction applies to |access-date=
) so I've fixed that:
{{cite news/new |author=John Roach |date=July 17, 2003 |title=Baja California Rock Art Dated to 7,500 Years Ago |url=http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2003/07/0717_030717_bajarockart_2.html |work=[[National Geographic News]] |archive-url=https://web.archive.org/web/20051110174949/http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2003/07/0717_030717_bajarockart_2.html |archive-date=November 10–11, 2005}}
{{
cite news}}
: Check date values in: |archive-date=
(
help)|archive-date=
with valid |archive-url=
:
{{cite news/new |author=John Roach |date=July 17, 2003 |title=Baja California Rock Art Dated to 7,500 Years Ago |url=http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2003/07/0717_030717_bajarockart_2.html |work=[[National Geographic News]] |archive-url=https://web.archive.org/web/20051110174949/http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2003/07/0717_030717_bajarockart_2.html |archive-date=November 10, 2005}}
|archive-url=
without |archive-date=
:
{{cite news/new |author=John Roach |date=July 17, 2003 |title=Baja California Rock Art Dated to 7,500 Years Ago |url=http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2003/07/0717_030717_bajarockart_2.html |work=[[National Geographic News]] |archive-url=https://web.archive.org/web/20051110174949/http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2003/07/0717_030717_bajarockart_2.html}}
{{
cite news}}
: |archive-url=
requires |archive-date=
(
help){{cite news/new|url=http://gtresearchnews.gatech.edu/newsrelease/newton.htm|title=Sir Isaac Newton's Unpublished Manuscripts Explain Connections He Made Between Alchemy and Economics|publisher=Georgia Tech Research News|date=12 September 2006|access-date=30 July 2014|archive-url=https://archive.today/20130217100410/http://gtresearchnews.gatech.edu/newsrelease/newton.htm|archive-date=1 February 2013|url-status=dead}}
{{
cite news}}
: |archive-date=
/ |archive-url=
timestamp mismatch; 17 February 2013 suggested (
help)A cited journal paper in Edward B. Foley has an identifier of SSRN 4328946, which is larger than the currently configured limit of 4300000 and leads to a bad SSRN error of Citation Style 1. Please update this limit. NmWTfs85lXusaybq ( talk) 10:36, 21 February 2023 (UTC)
I am attempting to clean up the {{ citation}} templates in talk:CDC 1604#Resources for delivery dates. I tried using {{citation | title = Fourth Quarter 1967 - First Quarter 1968 | series = COMPUTER CHARACTERISTICS QUARTERLY | volume = Volume 7 Number 4 - 8 Number 1 | issue = 1 and 2 | url = http://ed-thelen.org/comp-hist/AdamsReport1967Q4-1968Q1.pdf | publisher = Adams Associates }}
and got
Fourth Quarter 1967 - First Quarter 1968 (PDF), COMPUTER CHARACTERISTICS QUARTERLY, vol. Volume 7 Number 4 - 8 Number 1, Adams Associates
{{ citation}}
:|volume=
has extra text ( help)
The error message for volume is legitimate but the |issue=
and |number=
values seems to be ignored. How do I prevent |number=
from being ignored and how do I mark up the citation for a single document containing two issues straddling volumes?
Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz Username:Chatul (
talk) 17:21, 26 February 2023 (UTC)
{{citation |title=Fourth Quarter 1967 – First Quarter 1968: Volume 7, Number 4 – Volume 8, Number 1 |magazine=Computer Characteristics Quarterly |url=http://ed-thelen.org/comp-hist/AdamsReport1967Q4-1968Q1.pdf |publisher=Adams Associates}}
adams associates
COMPUTER CHARACTERISTICS
QUARTERLY
FOURTH QUARTER 1967 FIRST QUARTER 1968
Volume 7, Number 4 - Volume 8, Number 1
1 and 2is probably a typo. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz Username:Chatul ( talk) 00:46, 27 February 2023 (UTC)
At
Ape the second citation (Xia et al, "The genetic basis of tail-loss evolution in humans and apes") is a bioRxiv preprint that also has a DOI and S2CID. Unfortunately {{
cite bioRxiv}}
doesn't support the |doi=
and |s2cid=
parameters. Attempting to use {{
cite journal}}
results in an error since there is no journal. So it doesn't currently seem possible to cite this paper wholly within CS1 without errors (I have resorted to adding {{
doi}}
and {{
s2cid}}
on the end).
Hairy Dude (
talk) 13:20, 2 March 2023 (UTC)
{{
cite biorxiv}}
is a preprint template so it supports only a limited subset of cs1|2 parameters. The other preprint templates are {{
cite arxiv}}
, {{
cite citeseerx}}
, and {{
cite ssrn}}
.The documentation for Template:Cite web says that if nine authors are entered then eight names will show, followed by "et al." This doesn't seem to have happened here. Does anyone know why? – Arms & Hearts ( talk) 19:46, 19 February 2023 (UTC)
I have in front of me a copy of the sole (I believe) paperback edition of a book recently published by Stanford UP. On its copyright page (the verso of the title page), I read Identifiers: LCCN 2021049474 (print) | LCCN 2021049475 (ebook) | ISBN 9781503630680 (cloth) | ISBN 9781503632196 (paperback) | ISBN 9781503632202 (ebook). Such a list is pretty normal these days. I infer that the hard- and paperback books are made up of the same pages, and differ only in their binding. If I specify the paperback's ISBN, somebody with easy access to a library that lacks it but does have the hardback may not find the latter. (True, in practice, good OPACs often provide all usable ISBNs for a given edition of a book.) The "Cite book" template doesn't have the fields "isbn1", "isbn2", etc. Suggestions? (And dead-tree issues aside, I don't know anything about the/any ebook edition: may -- or should -- I ignore it?)
A quick search took me to Help talk:Citation Style 1/Perennial. At first glance, this seems to provide the answer. However, it seems to be about efforts to, for example, cite this or that set of publication details (ISBN), and page number(s), for an editor's Penguin paperback of David Copperfield (or a similarly multiply-published work), plus a greater or lesser number of the same for some library's OUP hardback of the same novel. These are two different editions, very likely to have different pagination and possibly with other differences besides. I'm instead asking about what in reality are single editions that just have a variety of packaging. -- Hoary ( talk) 08:16, 5 March 2023 (UTC)
|id=
as indicated in /Perennial to indicate any other copies you believe are desirable.
Izno (
talk) 21:08, 5 March 2023 (UTC)
Hi, was going through some stuff and noticed that (updated: was referring to the cite journal documentation, didn't specify this originally) the "subscription =" parameter and "registration =" parameters (easiest to search for if you include 10 spaces between subscription and =) are still included in the vertical list of the parameters. Were they left there by accident and should they be removed? Jasonkwe ( talk) ( contribs) 23:06, 5 March 2023 (UTC)
It's common for a single issue of a journal to have a collection of book reviews, each of them independently written. Template:Cite journal conveniently has both the fields "title" (for the title of the review) and "department" (for pointing out that it's a review, etc). But what's the best (or least bad) thing to do if the review is untitled? -- Hoary ( talk) 03:19, 6 March 2023 (UTC)
|title=Review of Euler's Gem
. Often I put together a single footnote with multiple reviews and it would look stupid for them all to have the same meaningless title, so in this case when possible I set |title=none
(this only works when there is a doi but no url) or otherwise |title=Review
. What should be avoided is something like |title=Reviews - Euler's gem, by David S. Richeson. Pp. 336. £16.95. 2008. ISBN 978 0 691 12677 7 (Princeton University Press).
which is what you often get as the official publisher metadata for the review; this one is
doi:
10.1017/S0025557200007397. It doesn't really make a difference in these conventions whether the journal lists it as a separate publication or bundles it as part of a bigger collection of reviews, because the title is made-up anyway. (And of course for reviews with real titles, different from the reviewed book title, you can just use their title.)—
David Eppstein (
talk) 07:35, 6 March 2023 (UTC)
|title=none
, I'm told {{cite journal}}: CS1 maint: untitled periodical (link) (though in other, prettier colours, and with links). Though this is because I've enabled the doodad that displays such error messages. (Sorry, I forget what this doodad/option is called. Whatever, I'm sure that the huge majority of Wikipedia users don't bother with it.) If I view the same page when not logged in, no error is apparent. ¶ If you're wondering, the particular reference I'm fiddling with now is to a review by Jean Aitchison that's currently the 17th in the article
The Cambridge Grammar of the English Language (an article that I do realize is a mess in other, more important ways). --
Hoary (
talk) 08:17, 6 March 2023 (UTC)
I've noticed a large number of citations use links to Worldcat in the URL field. These should, I believe, be subsumed under the OCLC tag, which generates the exact same link. These are deceiving to users who will expect a link to the actual book or article, rather than a listing of libraries that hold that title. I would love to see these treated as CS1 errors so we could clean these up. Thoughts? Straughn ( talk) 20:40, 6 March 2023 (UTC)
|oclc=
. I don't know how reliable my memory is nor how valid that argument is.|url=
matches |oclc=
.|url=https://www.worldcat.org/...
so dumping that many errors on the editing populous will likely result in torches and pitchforks...Using VisualEditor I added the citation at 2021 Meron crowd crush#cite ref-51 (supporting the sentence I'd added) copying the title exactly as it appears in the English source: Interim recommendations in preparatio for the Hillula in 5782; it's clear from quotes in the source's text that preparatio should be preparation. I'd like to include a visible indication that the source has a spelling error so that anyone searching for the document in a library catalogue or elsewhere will know how it may appear. Adding [n] or [sic] to preparatio results in them appearing in same mauve as the rest of the title rather than black which is what I'd like to appear.
Since the exact date isn't in the English edition but is in the Hebrew at first I added the exact date in square brackets - [22] November 2021 - but when I checked to see how the citation would look it included"{{
cite web}}
: Check date values in: |date=
(
help)" so I deleted them and currently (22 November 2021) appears following the author. Can I do anything so that ([22] November 2021) appears? Is it possible to indicate the date's source?
Mcljlm (
talk) 15:22, 7 March 2023 (UTC)
Hi everyone! Looking at the Help:CS1 errors#Most common errors shows a few categories that are quite large. Would it be reasonable to request a bot operator (not me) to write a bot that delivers user talk page messages similar to JaGa's DPL bot whenever a registered editor adds an article to one of the most common CS1 error categories? The bot could use the watchlist to see which user added which article to which category, and then add a new section detailing what the error means and how to fix it with text similar to what is posted at Help:CS1 errors. If so, we could work on fleshing out the idea (e.g. the exact categories and text for the user talk pages) before making a bot request. Or maybe someone following this page would be an interested bot op? Thanks! GoingBatty ( talk) 22:26, 2 February 2023 (UTC)
Page watchers may be interested in the above BRFA. Izno ( talk) 08:19, 10 March 2023 (UTC)
Regarding this source:
This article appears to have been printed in the Sun-Sentinel but under the title it states "By The Boston Globe". Should I ignore that or give credit to The Boston Globe? If so, where in all of the formatting do I note that? Thanks! - Location ( talk) 17:34, 7 March 2023 (UTC)
|agency=
here. That isn't all that different of an attribution in the article than another would give the AP.
Izno (
talk) 20:06, 7 March 2023 (UTC)
Is there a parameter to have the author's name in the original non-Latin script (e.g., 王可心) and then a translated version (e.g., Wang Kexin)? If not, should there be? Or should you just try to do it best you can using some other method in the Basic editor? Why? I Ask ( talk) 05:05, 8 March 2023 (UTC)
|author=
. If you would rather have a different presentation (for example, including their name in one of the CJK scripts), you can use |author-mask=
. For example: {{cite book|title=Book |first=Kexin |last=Wang |author-mask=Wang Kexin 王可心}}
: Wang Kexin 王可心. Book.
Izno (
talk) 05:46, 8 March 2023 (UTC)
{{
cite tweet}}
user name problem, you described that solution as a naive implementation( permalink). How is it that the proposed
{{cite tweet}}
use of |author-mask=
is naive but the proposed translated-author-name use of |author-mask=
is not?|author=
without the @ rather than |first=
/|last=
(and why I used the word demonstrating, which I honestly couldn't tell you if that should have a [sic] next to it). It had nothing to do with your proposed use of |author-mask=
to include the @ symbol.
Izno (
talk) 22:02, 8 March 2023 (UTC)|eudml=
I suggest adding a new parameter |eudml=
to
template:cite journal. Because eudml introduces the url to the full article, and if that url is open access it would be better to replace the parameter |url=
with that url, and then, there is no place to enter the url of eudml. --
SilverMatsu (
talk) 16:34, 29 January 2023 (UTC)
Example
{{
cite journal}}
: Unknown parameter |eudml=
ignored (
help):Please provide more info on the identifier. It seems to refer to several different things. I assume you mean
eduml
and not eudml
.
204.19.162.34 (
talk) 18:15, 29 January 2023 (UTC)
Example
{{cite journal |url=http://gdz.sub.uni-goettingen.de/dms/resolveppn/?PPN=GDZPPN002102021|title=Il n'y a pas de variété abélienne sur Z |journal=Inventiones Mathematicae |year=1985 |volume=81 |pages=515–538 |last1=Fontaine |first1=Jean-Marc |issue=3 |doi=10.1007/BF01388584 |s2cid=122218539|id={{User:Silvermatsu/Template:EuDML|143270}}}}
@ Trappist the monk: A cited journal paper in Plasmapheresis has an identifier of PMID 36905184, which excesses the currently configured limit of 36900000 and leads to a bad PMID error of Citation Style 1. Please update this limit. NmWTfs85lXusaybq ( talk) 05:50, 12 March 2023 (UTC)
According to the documentation, "limited" access means "there are other constraints (such as a cap on daily views, a restriction to certain day or night times, or providing the contents only to certain IP ranges/locales on behalf of the provider of the source) to freely access this source as a whole". The most common reason is the last mentioned ie region locking. But the pop-up message says "Free access subject to limited trial, subscription normally required". That is the wrong message; if it were indeed the case, I would not be using "limited" but "subscription". Consider changing the message to match the documentation. Hawkeye7 (discuss) 23:52, 8 March 2023 (UTC)
The most common reason is the last mentioned ie region locking.Citation needed. My experience is entirely different – I don't often encounter region blocked sites. For me, free access is most often limited to a certain number of views per time period. No doubt, others have different experiences.
That's what |url-access=limited
is for
and the inconclusive discussion in
Help talk:Citation Style 1/Archive 77#Having a special value for url-status when a page is geo-restricted? But by all means change the documentation to match the usage.
Hawkeye7
(discuss) 04:25, 14 March 2023 (UTC)Sites that are inaccessible to a substantial number of users, such as sites that work only with a specific browser or in a specific country.Hawkeye7 (discuss) 04:36, 14 March 2023 (UTC)
This is an archive of past discussions. Do not edit the contents of this page. If you wish to start a new discussion or revive an old one, please do so on the current talk page. |
Archive 80 | ← | Archive 85 | Archive 86 | Archive 87 | Archive 88 | Archive 89 | Archive 90 |
Is there any reason to include an access-date parameter if the only outbound link is a Gale ID generated thru Template:Gale? I'm getting the error message. My assumption is that there isn't a reason to include access-date because Gale is an archive and the content shouldn't change, but I thought I'd double check. ThadeusOfNazereth(he/him) Talk to Me! 17:14, 18 December 2022 (UTC)
I was recently made aware that |location=
and the like
do not allow any digits to prevent misuse of the parameter, such as inserting page- and chapter numbers or unnecessary postal codes. But what if the number is essential to the location, say, 10 Downing Street? ~~
lol1
VNIO (I made a mistake?
talk to me) 21:19, 17 December 2022 (UTC)
|location=London
would suffice. –
Jonesey95 (
talk) 21:40, 17 December 2022 (UTC)
|location=London
|publisher=Prime Minister's Office
.
Imzadi 1979
→ 23:20, 17 December 2022 (UTC)
When a text is published with a translation, must |trans-quote=
and similar parameters use the translation in the text, or may an editor substitute a translation that she believes to be more accurate? This question is prompted by
https://en.wikipedia.org/?title=Hillel_the_Elder&curid=313892&diff=1125022169&oldid=1124176915, which I believe to be
WP:OR. Either way, it would be helpful if the documentation of, e.g., |trans-title=
, specified whether editors must respect the translations in the text.
Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz Username:Chatul (
talk) 14:50, 2 December 2022 (UTC)
|reason=
and |post-text=
parameters, linking the template to the Talk section you just added.
Mathglot (
talk) 19:40, 22 December 2022 (UTC)
|trans-quote=
in the {{
cite book}}; I view that as close to vandalism. --
Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz Username:Chatul (
talk) 20:26, 22 December 2022 (UTC)Notes
I have come across an unusual situation where the book I want to cite has a Wikipedia article and there is an external source where the book can be viewed freely. Is there any way to link both the Wikipedia article and the external source in the citation? Obi2canibe ( talk) 22:10, 20 December 2022 (UTC)
|url=
and forgo |title-link=
.
24.103.241.218 (
talk) 22:33, 20 December 2022 (UTC)
H:CS1 currently says Do not use sub-national postal abbreviations ("DE", "Wilts", etc.), per
MOS:POSTABBR.
This does not appear to actually be consistent with MOS:POSTABBR, which provides
Postal codes and abbreviations of place names—e.g., Calif. (California), TX (Texas), Yorks. (Yorkshire)—should not be used to stand for the full names in normal text
(emphasis added). References are not normal text, and are often allowed to deviate from abbreviation-related aspects of MoS. See e.g.
MOS:&. This also does not appear to be consistent with current practice, even in FAs. I count
174 featured articles matching the regex location *= *New York( City)?(\]\])?, N\.?Y\.?
;
38 for location Boston(\]\])?, M(A|ass[^a])
;
25 for San Francisco(^\]\])?, (CA|alif[^o])
; etc. It also doesn't seem consistent with common sense: One, because we abbreviate all sorts of things in references, and it's not clear why we would suddenly break with that practice for locations, even when something like "CA" for California is probably more recognizable than "eds." And two, because we allow location strings consisting only of city name (with fairly vague guidance as to when it's acceptable), creating a paradoxical situation in which "Boston" is allowed but the less ambiguous "Boston, MA" and "Boston, Mass." are not.
If this guidance must be kept, we should at a minimum remove the reference to a part of MoS that does not apply. But I would submit we should go further and remove the line outright, for the reasons outlined above—or walk it back to something like Do not use obscure or made-up abbreviations for place names. -- Tamzin cetacean needed (she|they|xe) 07:39, 19 December 2022 (UTC)
|publisher=
, it is meaningless otherwise. There is scarce chance for ambiguity there.
172.254.255.250 (
talk) 14:41, 22 December 2022 (UTC)
|location=
is sometimes used, especially in {{
cite news}}
, as a disambiguator for same-named newspapers (
The Times for example):
{{cite news |author=EB Green |date=22 December 2022 |title=Title |newspaper=The Times |location=Chicago |page=B3}}
Location is always followed by colons and the value in |publisher=
. That is not wholly true as my example shows.confusion between the degree ... and the location, you should be responding to posters who are discussing those things.
|location=
itself is ambiguous because it may refer either to the place of publication or to the place of the publisher (as a commercial entity), which may be different. So either have |publisher-location=
and |publication-place=
, or fix |location=
to mean "publisher location" (i.e. make it a conditional parameter dependent on |publisher=
) and disambiguate newspapers in another manner, perhaps following MOS (parenthetical location after title).
65.88.88.69 (
talk) 19:54, 22 December 2022 (UTC)
{{
cite news}}
template using |location=
to disambiguate |newspaper=
can be seen at
Template:Cite news/doc § Examples so apparently that sort of use of |location=
is not new.|publication-place=
, |place=
, and |location=
function identically. The confusion arises when |publication-place=
is used with either of |location=
or |place=
which confusion I should like to see go away by making these three parameters equal aliases of one another (something that I have periodically raised on these talk pages in the past – last discussion that referred to that is at
Help talk:Citation Style 1/Archive 86 § place, when publication-place is redundant with work).Generally, move away from aliases.Right. Don't hold your breath; that cow has been out of the barn for far too long.
Indeed. But let's not add more. Perhaps it is better to think of adding CS3, built with the hopeful view that all the intractable design glitches that have nothing to do with technical issues could be swept away in a clean slate. And let the best solution win. 24.168.89.97 ( talk) 20:51, 23 December 2022 (UTC)
|location=
may mean two different things, something that should be fixed.
65.88.88.69 (
talk) 19:57, 22 December 2022 (UTC)I'm adding details to a citation, and the publisher shows
The documentation doesn't show |isbn-10=
and |isbn-13=
parameters. Which ISBN goes in the |isbn=
parameter?
Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz Username:Chatul (
talk) 16:39, 8 December 2022 (UTC)
Trying to overhaul Howard Florey and getting a warning: CS1 maint: DOI inactive as of October 2022. How do you suppress this warning? Obviously we can just drop it but I keyed it in to the university system and it came up okay, via the Wiley Online Library. Looks like a "virtual" doi. Hawkeye7 (discuss) 03:18, 26 December 2022 (UTC)
|doi-broken-date=
. The actual doi appears to be
doi:
10.1038/npg.els.0002792 not
doi:
10.1038/png.els.0002792.Category:CS1 errors: URL has about 6,500 pages even after I run my bot through them. Is there a way to generate a report with the most common errors, so we can see if we can fix them via bot? Thanks! GoingBatty ( talk) 06:08, 2 January 2023 (UTC)
|archive-url=
errors occur when |archive-url=
is a duplicate of |url=
, so that's something to look into. There's also a few
chapter-url and
contribution-url issues. Thanks!
GoingBatty (
talk) 07:07, 2 January 2023 (UTC)If a book is published on foo, reprinted on bar and scanned from the bar printing on baz, what date parameters are appropriate for citing the baz PDF of bar? Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz Username:Chatul ( talk) 15:19, 4 January 2023 (UTC)
|orig-date=
).
Umimmak (
talk) 15:30, 4 January 2023 (UTC){{cite book|year=2022|orig-year=oroginally published 2021 by Foo|title=Title|url=http://www.example.com/example.pdf|edition=reprint|publisher=Bar|via=Baz}}
|type=
here would be "pdf", but this is preformatted in the citation (the parameter |format=
would be superfluous for the same reason). Even though binding info is not included in CS1/2 metadata, you may want to include one of these parameters anyway, in case some aggregator imports the citation texts themselves, in which case the format/binding icon will not display.|orig-year=oroginally published 2021 by Foo
and |via=Baz
would be inappropriate. What inspired my question was edit
https://en.wikipedia.org/?title=Newline&curid=238775&diff=1131455576&oldid=1121592635, which includes the comment PDF date=1 August 2002in the {{ cite book}} template
Qualline, Steve (2001). Vi Improved - Vim (PDF). Sams Publishing. p. 120. ISBN 9780735710016. Archived from the original (PDF) on 8 April 2022. Retrieved 4 January 2023..
|url=
is just a convenience link for the reader. The book itself was published in 2001 as far as I can tell from WorldCat
OCLC
247896918. Kind of frustrating that this PDF seems to lack the frontmatter with the actual date and copyright information, but the comment I guess got the date from metadata and is just making a note on the off chance this PDF is not the exact same as the book.
Umimmak (
talk) 16:32, 4 January 2023 (UTC)If you want to cite the dates a podcast runs from, how do you do that? Like |date=18 December 2020 – present
? The field does not like that parameter and throws up errors. How do you do that without causing a problem?
Eievie (
talk) 01:02, 8 January 2023 (UTC)
{{cite book}}
template in the list of someone's books is common practice; why not use the associated templates for rest of a person's works as well?
Eievie (
talk) 01:11, 8 January 2023 (UTC)
|date=2020–2024
.
Izno (
talk) 01:34, 8 January 2023 (UTC)
|date=from Dec 2020
and that threw an error too :/ Is there any way to just silence the error in the template?
Eievie (
talk) 01:58, 8 January 2023 (UTC)
I know not all users have access to Wikipedia Library, but especially with its recent expansion, many previously pay-for or institution-locked journals etc. are completely accessible for users meeting requirements. Would it be possible, then, to add a parameter (or an option for the url-access parameter) that says a source is free through Wikipedia Library? Kingsif ( talk) 02:52, 9 January 2023 (UTC)
|via=
Wikipedia Library
.
172.254.255.250 (
talk) 12:58, 9 January 2023 (UTC)
|via=
to indicate that website, not the library because the library didn't republish the article.
Imzadi 1979
→ 19:07, 9 January 2023 (UTC)
|via=
, which is certainly sufficient to me. There's other discussion in the archives about the utility in general of using |via=
to indicate libraries (short answer is don't, which I think is also either directly in
WP:Citing sources or similarly discussed on its talk page) as well as a few other discussions directly pertinent mostly under "TWL" but all older than that RFC.
Izno (
talk) 19:22, 9 January 2023 (UTC)|via=
may not be proper (even though allowable), and the citation should be silent on the matter. I also agree with Izno that a specific parameter adds nothing to the citation's purpose. With well-established rationale, citations don't credit other physical or virtual libraries; I don't see why TWL should be an exception.
65.88.88.70 (
talk) 20:46, 9 January 2023 (UTC)Are there provisions in the template for referring to multiple series when a book is listed as part of more than one series? For example, Itineraria Phoenicia is the volume 127 of the Orientalia Lovaniensia analecta series and the volume 18 of the Studia Phoenicia series. But I am not sure how to add both of these to the template when using it in articles. Antiquistik ( talk) 11:12, 18 December 2022 (UTC)
The following doi lands on a Crossref disambiguation page:
doi
Is it possible to bypass it? The actual object can be directly accessed as:
www
Adding /html
at the end of |doi=
is not clever:
{{cite book|title=Expanded cinema|doi=10.1515/9780823287437/html}}
65.88.88.69 ( talk) 21:21, 12 January 2023 (UTC)
|url=https://www.degruyter.com/document/doi/10.1515/9780823287437/html |url-access=subscription
|jstor=j.ctvnwbz7q
|id=[[Doi (identifier)|doi:]][https://www.degruyter.com/document/doi/10.1515/9780823287437/html 10.1515/9780823287437]}}
:
not to have me do the research the citation writer should have done— what "research"? Both links in the crossref disambiguation page go to the same source; one's just on JSTOR and one's on DeGruyter. As David Eppstein says it's good to include both in case a reader has access to one versus the other. Umimmak ( talk) 02:49, 14 January 2023 (UTC)
Isn't the point of |doi=
to retrieve the source? unlike |title=
or |issn=
that are used to find it. If the consensus is to accept |doi=
as a (sometime) lookup parameter rather than an access/retrieval one, that should be explicitly pointed out.
69.203.140.37 (
talk) 14:02, 14 January 2023 (UTC)
Switch lookup to The ISSN Portal (or its advanced search facility [2]). Far less likely to return multiple targets compared to Worldcat. 50.75.226.250 ( talk) 23:09, 13 January 2023 (UTC)
Template Interlanguage link doesn't works in author parameter. Eurohunter ( talk) 21:27, 14 January 2023 (UTC)
This template should not be used in citation templates such as Citation Style 1 and Citation Style 2, because it includes markup that will pollute the COinS metadata they produce; see Wikipedia:COinS. |
Wikitext | {{cite book
|
---|---|
Live | Goethe [in German]. Wandrers Nachtlied. |
According to its copyright page, this book was "[p]ublished jointly by Oxford University Committee for Archaeology Institute of Archaeology, Beaumont Street, Oxford and UCLA Institute of Archaeology Los Angeles, California". In keeping therewith, it has two ISBNs ( ISBN 0-947816-19-4, 0-917956-66-4), and is part of two series (University of Oxford Committee for Archaeology, Monograph No. 19; UCLA Institute for Archaeology, Archaeological Research Tools 5). Is there a way to record all of this information in the {{ cite book}} template? -- Usernameunique ( talk) 01:27, 16 January 2023 (UTC)
On
Template:Cite book the output links to the old
ISBN (identifier) article via a redirect from a page move instead of directly to the updated article name of
ISBN. See
David_Crosby#Publications for an output example of the ISBN redirect link. Cheers! {{u|
WikiWikiWayne}} {
Talk}
10:50, 20 January 2023 (UTC)
In a cite book like
the order of presentation is a bit messed up, with the location/publisher inserted between volume and pages. Contrast with cite journal which keeps such information together
This is extremely jarring, as opposed to the more natural presentation that would keep like information together (series, volume, issues, pages, then publisher). I believe we should follow cite journal and present things in this order instead
Headbomb { t · c · p · b} 02:54, 17 January 2023 (UTC)
extremely jarring, plenty of citation styles have the volume number before the publication information, not next to the pages:
I tend to agree with Imzadi and disagree with Headbomb on book series. I would find it very jarring to have the volume within a series separated from the series title. I don't so much care whether the series+volume go before or after the publisher, but they should not be separated. — David Eppstein ( talk) 07:32, 17 January 2023 (UTC)
|title=
(journal/magazine) or |chapter=
(book). In-source locations such as page numbers, sections etc. are secondary search elements that can also be presented in short cites. When in full citations, their position could be part of the series/volume block I suppose.
184.74.237.158 (
talk) 14:47, 17 January 2023 (UTC)I would like to cite this pdf which contains material related to the history of the Drug Enforcement Administration (DEA). I initially thought it was an excerpt from a book due to the appearance and page numbers noted, however, I could not identify an author or book title. Trying to locate title page information, I found that the pdf could be accessed through this page at dea.gov which has a few other sections in pdf format, but the earliest one began with page 12. There is nothing prior to page 12 or a title page. I then found that material was hosted by the United States Department of Justice here almost 18 years ago. This material may never have truly been a book, so I am wondering which template to use to cite the material in the pdf. My initial impression was to use {{cite book}} but I don't have a book title. Thanks! - Location ( talk) 20:13, 21 January 2023 (UTC)
How do I add multiple editors to cite book? Mucube ( talk • contribs) 05:15, 23 January 2023 (UTC)
|editor1-first=
and |editor1-last=
, or 2) acceptable: |editor1=
. Increment the number as appropriate.
Izno (
talk) 05:23, 23 January 2023 (UTC)Case A:
{{cite AV media|title=Media-Title|transcript=Transcript|quote-page=Quote-location from transcript|quote=Quote.}}
Media-Title. Transcript. Quote.
Case B:
{{cite AV media|title=Media-Title|quote-page=[[Title sequence]]|quote=Quote.}}
Media-Title. Quote.
What happened here? It was working a few days ago. Please fix. 65.88.88.69 ( talk) 21:39, 25 January 2023 (UTC)
{{
cite AV media}}
:
|minutes=
or |time=
.@ Trappist the monk: ?? this needs fixing. 68.173.78.83 ( talk) 12:58, 27 January 2023 (UTC)
This may not be the proper forum for this inquiry, so I apologize in advance. I wonder if I should cite the original article in French or the translated article in English for material I read in the English version. I only read/speak English, it is the English version that I read, and this is the English version of Wikipedia. If I use the English version, do I link to the French version in {{cite journal}}? Thus far I have:
{{cite journal |last=Marchant |first=Alexandre |year=2012 |title=The French Connection: Between Myth and Reality |url=https://www.cairn-int.info/article-E_VIN_115_0089--the-french-connection-between-myths.htm |journal=Vingtième Siècle. Revue d’histoire |language=French |volume=115 |issue=3 |pages=89-102 |doi=10.3917/vin.115.0089 |access-date=January 31, 2023}}
Marchant, Alexandre (2012).
"The French Connection: Between Myth and Reality". Vingtième Siècle. Revue d’histoire (in French). 115 (3): 89–102.
doi:
10.3917/vin.115.0089. Retrieved January 31, 2023.
Thanks! - Location ( talk) 16:02, 31 January 2023 (UTC)
This
edit request to
Module:Citation/CS1 has been answered. Set the |answered= or |ans= parameter to no to reactivate your request. |
|quote-page=
in the {{
cite AV media}} templates. The parameter was withdrawn without acknowledgement in the latest module update, advertised here:
§ module suite update 14–15 January 2023. local QuotePage;
local QuotePages;
if not utilities.in_array (config.CitationClass, cfg.templates_not_using_page) then -- TODO: rewrite to emit ignored parameter error message?
Page = A'Page'];
Pages = utilities.hyphen_to_dash (A'Pages']);
At = A'At'];
QuotePage = A'QuotePage'];
QuotePages = utilities.hyphen_to_dash (A'QuotePages']);
end
templates not using pagearray in Module:Citation/CS1/Configuration line 673
local templates_not_using_page = {'audio-visual', 'episode', 'mailinglist', 'newsgroup', 'podcast', 'serial', 'sign', 'speech'}
104.247.55.106 ( talk) 15:53, 30 January 2023 (UTC)
{{
Edit protected}}
template. You know how it works around here.
Izno (
talk) 17:01, 30 January 2023 (UTC)
|quote-page=
. It should be reverted and then consensus should be established for its removal. Revert immediately, as this affects verification.|quote-page=
. A simple edit in the main module to @ Trappist the monk: please can you comment on this? — Martin ( MSGJ · talk) 13:00, 31 January 2023 (UTC)
'quote-location'
could have aliases depending on the medium quoted from: 'quote-page' (text) 'quote-time' (AV streams) 'quote-frame' (continuous visuals) 'quote-section' (static visuals, maps or text)
etc. It is up to the citation writer to make the choices so that the citation is understood and is relevant to the related wikitext.
24.103.101.218 (
talk) 15:16, 1 February 2023 (UTC)The facts are presented and one can recognize them or hold an opinion instead.No you opinion of the facts is presented, I don't think its presented very well. -- LCU ActivelyDisinterested ∆ transmissions∆ ° co-ords° 18:09, 1 February 2023 (UTC)
What is not a fact? That the removal of quote-page from the AV template was non-consensual? That quotes from the source may be given to support wikitext? That transcript parameters exist in templates for accessibility reasons and may be quoted? That quote locations are needed to find and verify the quote? That citations cite sources, and the medium/media of the source is secondary? 208.253.152.74 ( talk) 20:23, 1 February 2023 (UTC)
Administrator note While the consensus for this change may not have been initially established clearly, subsequent discussion in this thread shows that this change does have general support. To help me decide whether this change needs reverting, please can you answer the following questions as succintly as possible:
— Martin ( MSGJ · talk) 12:02, 2 February 2023 (UTC)
{{
cite av media}}
is used on
32,473 articles. Of those:
Of course none show the use of quote-page since it is ignored.pertain to Trappist's comment? He posted results of a search which identifies where the parameter is used. You either understand what those searches do and so that comment is irrelevant, or you don't understand what they do and so that comment is incorrect. Izno ( talk) 23:51, 2 February 2023 (UTC)
{{
cite AV media}}
templates in those articles have this:
{{cite AV media|ref={{harvid|J. Krishnamurti|2018a}}|last=Jiddu|first=Krishnamurti...
}
of the {{
harvid}}
template terminates the regex match before it gets to |quote-page(s)=
. Not clear to me why {{harvid}}
is needed nor why the values assigned to |first=
and |last=
appear to be swapped... Fixing that would, it seems, negate the need for {{harvid}}
. Editor
Izno's search finds seven false positives because .*
is greedy so it finds the start of a {{cite AV media}}
template and then continues to consume text until it finds \| *quote\-page
in the same template (a true match) or in some other template (false positive).{{
cite web}}
, marking the transcript citation with |type=Transcript
, and setting |ref=none
so that the short-form references link to the video citation.Not done I am satisfied that reverting this change is not necessary nor desirable, for the various reasons given — Martin ( MSGJ · talk) 20:33, 2 February 2023 (UTC)
|time=
is equivalent to the parameter |page=
. There is no parameter |quote-time=
in AV media templates as an equivalent of |quote-page=
in other media templatesAs noted at User talk:AnomieBOT/Archive 14#Unhelpful edit by AnomieBOT, sometimes substituting {{ cita web}} causes the actual cite information to be erased and an error to be put inappropriately into the wikitext. I have today encountered several cases where someone wrote "cita web" where "cite web" would have been correct. User:Anomie suggested changing the template so it does the right thing if the English "title" parameter is detected. Would that be feasible, and is there anyone who knows how to do that? -- Beland ( talk) 17:09, 1 February 2023 (UTC)
{{
cita web}}
changed from a nonsense template to a simple redirect to {{
cite web}}
with
this edit{{cita web}}
citation added to
2022 Abu Dhabi Grand Prix at
this edit; at the time, {{cita web}}
was still a simple redirect to {{cite web}}
. I wonder if Editor
Island92 copied that template from the Spanish Wikipedia article
es:Anexo:Gran Premio de Abu Dabi de 2022 and then modified it to fix the unrecognized parameter errors but did not change the template's name{{cita web}}
repointed to {{
cite web/Italian or Spanish}}
– this invokes the auto-translation supplied by
Module:CS1 translator. In this case, auto-translator cannot know which language (Italian or Spanish) it should translate because the indicators, |título=
(Spanish) or |titolo=
(Italian), have been replaced with |title=
(English) so it emits the {{cita book/news/web}} requires |título= (Spanish) or |titolo= (Italian) error message. The error message is visible to editors before substing so they have the opportunity to fix the template. This of course presumes that editors preview their work...{{cita web}}
template with
this edit{{Cita web|título=Ricciardo handed 3-place grid drop for final McLaren outing after Magnussen contact in Sao Paulo GP|url=https://www.formula1.com/en/latest/article.ricciardo-handed-3-place-grid-drop-for-final-mclaren-outing-after-magnussen.3ZOlOOLHp34z24z2oZwIi5.html|obra=[[Fórmula 1]]|editorial=Formula One World Championship Limited|fecha=13 de noviembre de 2022|fechaacceso=19 de noviembre de 2022|idioma=en}}
|expand=yes
added to get this rendering):
{{cite web/subst |access-date=19 November 2022 |date=13 November 2022 |language=en |publisher=Formula One World Championship Limited |title=Ricciardo handed 3-place grid drop for final McLaren outing after Magnussen contact in Sao Paulo GP |url=https://www.formula1.com/en/latest/article.ricciardo-handed-3-place-grid-drop-for-final-mclaren-outing-after-magnussen.3ZOlOOLHp34z24z2oZwIi5.html |work=[[Fórmula 1]]}}
{{
cita web}}
template does not have a native-language |title=
parameter. The error message is supposed to tell editors that something is wrong that needs attention. In the example case, we have an edge condition where {{
cita web}}
was placed in the article before the auto-translation and substitution was activated.Staff should be added as a generic name for https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:CS1_errors:_generic_name BhamBoi ( talk) 01:06, 3 February 2023 (UTC)
So the issue of double quote marks in fields that are automatically enclosed in double quote marks (like "title" and "quote") seems to come up periodically:
Intending to enforce MOS:DOUBLE I had been using a regex to replace lots of single quote marks with double quote marks. I didn't realize that doing this in {{ cite web}} and friends renders as double-inside-double quote marks, which I agree looks bad. I disabled that and was going to write a new regex to fix my mistakes (and I guess everyone else's) but then I had the same question as those who came before - should this instead be fixed by just making the template smarter?
If that's not in the works and it's "only" 60K instances or so, I can start slowly normalizing all instances. User:Trappist the monk mentioned this nice search, but that's not something I can use when I'm grepping surface-level wikitext in Python without Mediawiki. If anyone can produce a complete list of which templates and parameters this kind of fix should be applied to, I can put that to good use; otherwise I'll probably just start with the "title" and "quote" parameters of {{ cite web}}, {{ cite news}}, and {{ cite journal}}, and the "chapter" parameter of {{ cite book}}. -- Beland ( talk) 04:22, 3 February 2023 (UTC)
title=Song Review: "They Call Me 'Buddy' and I Like It"
? And what if an editor uses the correct syntax and writes title=Song Review: 'They Call Me "Buddy" and I Like It'
? –
Jonesey95 (
talk) 15:06, 3 February 2023 (UTC)What is template:cite thesis, if not a giant violation of Wikipedia's policy against original research? By definition a thesis is original research, as it is something submitted by a student to the head of a department at a university. Am I missing something? Are we now considering what is effectively a very large homework assignment to be on equal footing with peer-reviewed research? — Soap — 23:42, 3 February 2023 (UTC)
Dissertations – Completed dissertations or theses written as part of the requirements for a doctorate, and which are publicly available (most via interlibrary loan or from Proquest), can be used but care should be exercised, as they are often, in part, primary sources.It goes on with other details. -- LCU ActivelyDisinterested ∆ transmissions∆ ° co-ords° 00:49, 4 February 2023 (UTC)
March 29 has a cite journal ref with S2CID error. The S2CID is 256374391 and it was added by the Citation bot. The link also works correctly.
The limit needs to be increased. Ciridae ( talk) 08:02, 4 February 2023 (UTC)
The |issue=
field in {{cite magazine}} automatically adds a "no." before the issue number. Sometimes, however, there are unnumbered and named issues (like a special issue for a trade show) or issues are named things like January-March 1983. Could we add either a new field (I suggest |issue-name=
) or add a parameter akin to |no-pp=
? Thank you,
Mr.choppers |
✎ 05:10, 6 February 2023 (UTC)
|date=January–March 1983
instead of |issue=
.
GoingBatty (
talk) 14:03, 6 February 2023 (UTC)
|date=October 1883 – March 1884
.
Mr.choppers |
✎ 02:28, 8 February 2023 (UTC)PMC 9906186 throws an error. The limit should be increased to 10000000 Headbomb { t · c · p · b} 19:49, 11 February 2023 (UTC)
Could "PressReader.com - Digital Newspaper & Magazine Subscriptions" be added to the generic titles list. There are currently 409 articles with this title in the references. Thanks. Keith D ( talk) 09:58, 12 February 2023 (UTC)
I personally would prefer that the templates be redesigned so that they can support a URL and a wikilink at the same time, with the URL becoming a "read online" link (like how FRwiki has "voir en ligne" links).
Until that happens, the question is whether citations of books should have general URLs (not page number specific URLs but general URLs) as supreme over wikilinks (in the case the book has a Wikipedia article) or whether the wikilink should be supreme (with the general URL to the book being taken out of the template and/or being listed on the external links section of the book's Wikipedia article).
The reason why I prefer wikilinks is that it encourages the Wikipedians checking the sources to consider in-depth information about the book itself when evaluating claims made by the source (for example academic book reviews on a book may reveal weaknesses in the book's methodology, minor errors, etc. and such would be covered in a Wikipedia article on the book). WhisperToMe ( talk) 21:47, 24 January 2023 (UTC)
A link to the actual source is preferred to a link to a Wikipedia article about the source.Umimmak ( talk) 22:40, 24 January 2023 (UTC)
A link to the actual source is better than a link to a Wikipedia article about the source.. The current version was created at this edit 18 October 2013:
A link to the actual source is preferred to a link to a Wikipedia article about the source.
|titlelink=
was added to
Module:Citation (the now-defunct predecessor of
Module:Citation/CS1) at
this edit 7 September 2012. Before that, linking |title=
to a wikipedia article about the title could only be accomplished by wikilinking the value assigned to |title=
(|titlelink=
is not supported by {{
citation/core}}
).|url=
should take precedence over |title-link=
. The purpose of a citation is to identify for the reader where the editor found the information that is included in the en.wiki article. If you want the reader to visit the en.wiki page about the title, add a wikilink at the end of the citation: [[<en.wiki article title>|About this source]]
or some such.Do not reject reliable sources just because they are difficult or costly to access. Some reliable sources are not easily accessible.Instead, it talks about the reliability of sources. That can be verified by looking up the book, the creator and the publisher. That's why we have author-link and title-link. That's why the Wikipedia article on the book is so relevant. As it happens, the links you are describing would be of little use to me. Hawkeye7 (discuss) 04:44, 25 January 2023 (UTC)
|url=
and |title-link=
are lookup parameters, not access ones. They should help the reader to quickly find the correct source so s/he can verify the wikitext and move on.
67.243.247.14 (
talk) 15:33, 25 January 2023 (UTC)
while the talk page of an article about the book can be used to document issues concerning the book as a whole (which can then be moved to RSN).100% against this. All discussions should be at RSN, as that is the place people will be watching for such discussions. -- LCU ActivelyDisinterested ∆ transmissions∆ ° co-ords° 14:06, 29 January 2023 (UTC)
I personally would prefer that the templates be redesigned so that they can support a URL and a wikilink at the same time, with the URL becoming a "read online" link (like how FRwiki has "voir en ligne" links).While I'm not sure that the French Wikipedia model of placing links to sources right at the end of all citations (regardless of whether there is an internal link) is desirable, I think it's worth exploring how we could potentially accommodate both an internal and an external link. Do we have any ideas what this could look like? Graham ( talk) 05:13, 14 February 2023 (UTC)
Allowed Template:Cite_book keywords for Named-identifier access-indicator parameters: |bibcode-access= |doi-access= |hdl-access= |jstor-access= |ol-access= |osti-access= |s2cid-access= should include free and open
The text in {{
cite conference}} is mostly generic, and it is not clear which parameter to use for which datum, e.g., should the name of the paper be in |section=
or in |title=
. If there is a conference with published proceedings, what is an appropriate citation for a paper given at that conference, assuming that there is a URL for the paper and for the proceedings? Should there be parameters for the conference editors, or only for the authors of the cited paper?
Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz Username:Chatul (
talk) 16:02, 7 February 2023 (UTC)
{{
cite conference}}
is peculiar and should be deprecated and replaced with a new design. Don't hold your breath for that to happen; when I've said that before, the response from the community has been indifference.|book-title=
; paper title goes in |title=
. |url=
is the url of the paper; there is no url-holding parameter for |book-title=
. Free-form information about the conference can go in |conference=
(which can be supported with |conference-url=
) but why bother? we aren't citing the conference itself but rather a published paper in a proceedings. Consider using {{
cite book}}
instead.{{
cite web}}
template). If you consulted the version published by AMS, cite that source (consider a simple {{
cite book}}
template).How do you split a name in {{
cite book}} when it contains an honorific or suffix, e.g., |author=John Stuart Stutz, 3rd
?
Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz Username:Chatul (
talk) 11:31, 15 February 2023 (UTC)
|first=
, |editor-first=
, link to
WP:JR? --
Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz Username:Chatul (
talk) 16:13, 15 February 2023 (UTC)
[[WP|JR]]
) to the documentation if you think it important to do so.I don't know how to format this date range correctly. I have used an ndash and capitalised the seasons correctly, by still getting a CS1 error:
Hawkeye7 (discuss) 06:14, 16 February 2023 (UTC)
{{cite magazine |title=Fulton, Penicillin and Chance |magazine=Yale Medicine Magazine |date=Fall 1999 – Winter 2000 |url=https://medicine.yale.edu/news/yale-medicine-magazine/article/fulton-penicillin-and-chance/ |access-date=16 February 2023}}-> "Fulton, Penicillin and Chance". Yale Medicine Magazine. Fall 1999 – Winter 2000. Retrieved 16 February 2023.
Just like Category:CS1 maint: Zbl tracks temporary Zbl assignments, so should Category:CS1 maint: bibcode track temporary bibcode assignments, e.g. [3].
You can tell it's a temporary assignment when tmp
is found in positions 11-13 (or more strictly, .tmp.
in positions 10-14).
Headbomb {
t ·
c ·
p ·
b} 16:13, 18 February 2023 (UTC)
.tmp.
as a temporary assignment. Is there 'official' documentation that does?
.tmp.
in positions 10-14
{{cite book/new |title=Title |bibcode=2022NatAs.tmp..273S}}
{{
cite book}}
: CS1 maint: bibcode (
link)Template:Cite ODNB/doc says:
If date and year parameters are both set then date parameter value is displayed but year parameter value is used by templates such as {{ harvnb}}.
But setting both adds the article to Category:CS1 maint: date and year. Is this still true, or should it be replaced with a note advising avoiding setting both? ‑‑ Yodin T 02:13, 20 February 2023 (UTC)
CITEREF
disambiguation. Since the adoption of
Module:Citation/CS1 as the engine that renders cs1|2 templates, use of both |date=
and |year=
for CITEREF
disambiguation is not needed except when when the date in |date=
is written using the YYYY-MM-DD format because disambiguation is not supported in that format. When the year portion of |date=
(in any allowed format except YYYY-MM-DD) is the same as the year in |year=
(ignoring disambiguation), Module:Citation/CS1 adds the page to
Category:CS1 maint: date and year. When the year portions of |date=
and |year=
are different, Module:Citation/CS1 emits an error message and adds the page to the appropriate error category.Editor
حبيشان has tweaked function reformat_dates()
in
Module:Citation/CS1/Date validation/sandbox so that the code breaks out of the for
when the date is reformated. This seems a sensible change that should cause no problems.
— Trappist the monk ( talk) 16:08, 20 February 2023 (UTC)
I propose to update cs1|2 module suite over the weekend 14–15 January 2023. Here are the changes:
|article-number=
in journal and conference cites;
discussion|display-authors=0
/ |display-editors=0
and |others=
has a value;
discussion|quote=
;
discussionModule:Citation/CS1/Configuration
|article-number=
in journal and conference cites;|article-number=
in journal and conference cites;Module:Citation/CS1/Date validation
|date=
, |year=
, |publication-date=
;
discussion|article-number=
in journal and conference cites;Module:Citation/CS1/styles.css
— Trappist the monk ( talk) 16:48, 7 January 2023 (UTC)
{{cite web|https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=iu13xdDmBd8&feature=youtu.be = It's The End of the World as we Know it and I Feel Fine |website = [[youtube]]}}
updated emoji list- these 🐱👤🐱🚀 🐱🐉🐱💻🐱👓 🐱🏍 emoji are not included and will throw an error if used in citations:
{{
cite web}}
: zero width joiner character in |title=
at position 2 (
help)
Gonnym (
talk) 12:52, 25 January 2023 (UTC)
emoji_t{}
was derived:
emoji_t{}
emoji_t{}
{{cite book |title=🐱🚀}}
→ 🐱🚀.{{cite book |title=🐱💻}}
→ 🐱💻.emoji_t{}
emoji_t{}
emoji_t{}
emoji_t{}
{{cite book |title=🐱👤}}
→ 🐱👤. {{
cite book}}
: zero width joiner character in |title=
at position 2 (
help){{cite book |title=🐱🐉}}
→ 🐱🐉. {{
cite book}}
: zero width joiner character in |title=
at position 2 (
help){{cite book |title=🐱👓}}
→ 🐱👓. {{
cite book}}
: zero width joiner character in |title=
at position 2 (
help){{cite book |title=🐱🏍}}
→ 🐱🏍. {{
cite book}}
: zero width joiner character in |title=
at position 2 (
help)emoji_t{}
has entries for U+1F680 ROCKET (
line 970) and U+1F4BB PERSONAL COMPUTER (
line 969).userfield in the
cite tweettemplate is being checked, which is a little unexpected. This is probably more likely because of how
cite tweet(mis)uses the parameter, more than anything else.
{{
cite tweet}}
is not a cs1|2 template so this talk page is not the correct place to discuss that template's problems.{{cite tweet}}
is a wrapper template around {{
cite web}}
. |user=
is checked because {{cite tweet}}
concatenates |last=
/|first=
or |author=
with |user=
which forms a value that is assigned to the {{cite web}}
|author=
parameter. Seems to me that the |user=
value and its attendant markup don't belong in |author=
. Instead, the {{cite tweet}}
|first=
, |last=
, and |author=
, should be passed to {{cite web}}
unmolested. Those same parameters plus |author-link=
could be assembled into |author-mask=
. For example, rewriting your demonstration citation as a {{cite web}}
template:
{{cite web |first=Zach |last=Cohen |author-mask=Cohen, Zack [@ZcohenCNN] |url=https://twitter.com/ZcohenCNN/status/1625249963897679878 |date=February 13, 2023 |title=Lorem ipsum dolor sit amet. |type=Tweet |via=[[Twitter]]}}
Nearly every archive-url is from archive.org and all of these links always have the archive date built into the url. I'd imagine then it should be possible to compare the url with the entered archive-date and if they don't match, throw up either an error or maintenance flag. – Mesidast ( talk) 21:08, 20 February 2023 (UTC)
|archive-date=
does not match timestamp in Wayback Machine urls:
{{cite news/new |author=John Roach |date=July 17, 2003 |title=Baja California Rock Art Dated to 7,500 Years Ago |url=http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2003/07/0717_030717_bajarockart_2.html |work=[[National Geographic News]] |archive-url=https://web.archive.org/web/20051110174949/http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2003/07/0717_030717_bajarockart_2.html |archive-date=November 1, 2005}}
{{
cite news}}
: |archive-date=
/ |archive-url=
timestamp mismatch; November 10, 2005 suggested (
help){{cite news/new |author=John Roach |date=July 17, 2003 |title=Baja California Rock Art Dated to 7,500 Years Ago |url=http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2003/07/0717_030717_bajarockart_2.html |work=[[National Geographic News]] |archive-url=https://web.archive.org/web/20051110174949/http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2003/07/0717_030717_bajarockart_2.html |archive-date=1 November 2005}}
{{
cite news}}
: |archive-date=
/ |archive-url=
timestamp mismatch; 10 November 2005 suggested (
help){{cite news/new |author=John Roach |date=July 17, 2003 |title=Baja California Rock Art Dated to 7,500 Years Ago |url=http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2003/07/0717_030717_bajarockart_2.html |work=[[National Geographic News]] |archive-url=https://web.archive.org/web/20051110174949/http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2003/07/0717_030717_bajarockart_2.html |archive-date=2005-11-01}}
{{
cite news}}
: |archive-date=
/ |archive-url=
timestamp mismatch; 2005-11-10 suggested (
help)|archive-url=
does not have |archive-date=
but we don't emit an error message when |archive-date=
does not have |archive-url=
. Fixed that:
{{cite news/new |author=John Roach |date=July 17, 2003 |title=Baja California Rock Art Dated to 7,500 Years Ago |url=http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2003/07/0717_030717_bajarockart_2.html |work=[[National Geographic News]] |archive-date=2005-11-10}}
{{
cite news}}
: |archive-date=
requires |archive-url=
(
help)|archive-date=
should only accept single-day dates (the same restriction applies to |access-date=
) so I've fixed that:
{{cite news/new |author=John Roach |date=July 17, 2003 |title=Baja California Rock Art Dated to 7,500 Years Ago |url=http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2003/07/0717_030717_bajarockart_2.html |work=[[National Geographic News]] |archive-url=https://web.archive.org/web/20051110174949/http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2003/07/0717_030717_bajarockart_2.html |archive-date=November 10–11, 2005}}
{{
cite news}}
: Check date values in: |archive-date=
(
help)|archive-date=
with valid |archive-url=
:
{{cite news/new |author=John Roach |date=July 17, 2003 |title=Baja California Rock Art Dated to 7,500 Years Ago |url=http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2003/07/0717_030717_bajarockart_2.html |work=[[National Geographic News]] |archive-url=https://web.archive.org/web/20051110174949/http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2003/07/0717_030717_bajarockart_2.html |archive-date=November 10, 2005}}
|archive-url=
without |archive-date=
:
{{cite news/new |author=John Roach |date=July 17, 2003 |title=Baja California Rock Art Dated to 7,500 Years Ago |url=http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2003/07/0717_030717_bajarockart_2.html |work=[[National Geographic News]] |archive-url=https://web.archive.org/web/20051110174949/http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2003/07/0717_030717_bajarockart_2.html}}
{{
cite news}}
: |archive-url=
requires |archive-date=
(
help){{cite news/new|url=http://gtresearchnews.gatech.edu/newsrelease/newton.htm|title=Sir Isaac Newton's Unpublished Manuscripts Explain Connections He Made Between Alchemy and Economics|publisher=Georgia Tech Research News|date=12 September 2006|access-date=30 July 2014|archive-url=https://archive.today/20130217100410/http://gtresearchnews.gatech.edu/newsrelease/newton.htm|archive-date=1 February 2013|url-status=dead}}
{{
cite news}}
: |archive-date=
/ |archive-url=
timestamp mismatch; 17 February 2013 suggested (
help)A cited journal paper in Edward B. Foley has an identifier of SSRN 4328946, which is larger than the currently configured limit of 4300000 and leads to a bad SSRN error of Citation Style 1. Please update this limit. NmWTfs85lXusaybq ( talk) 10:36, 21 February 2023 (UTC)
I am attempting to clean up the {{ citation}} templates in talk:CDC 1604#Resources for delivery dates. I tried using {{citation | title = Fourth Quarter 1967 - First Quarter 1968 | series = COMPUTER CHARACTERISTICS QUARTERLY | volume = Volume 7 Number 4 - 8 Number 1 | issue = 1 and 2 | url = http://ed-thelen.org/comp-hist/AdamsReport1967Q4-1968Q1.pdf | publisher = Adams Associates }}
and got
Fourth Quarter 1967 - First Quarter 1968 (PDF), COMPUTER CHARACTERISTICS QUARTERLY, vol. Volume 7 Number 4 - 8 Number 1, Adams Associates
{{ citation}}
:|volume=
has extra text ( help)
The error message for volume is legitimate but the |issue=
and |number=
values seems to be ignored. How do I prevent |number=
from being ignored and how do I mark up the citation for a single document containing two issues straddling volumes?
Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz Username:Chatul (
talk) 17:21, 26 February 2023 (UTC)
{{citation |title=Fourth Quarter 1967 – First Quarter 1968: Volume 7, Number 4 – Volume 8, Number 1 |magazine=Computer Characteristics Quarterly |url=http://ed-thelen.org/comp-hist/AdamsReport1967Q4-1968Q1.pdf |publisher=Adams Associates}}
adams associates
COMPUTER CHARACTERISTICS
QUARTERLY
FOURTH QUARTER 1967 FIRST QUARTER 1968
Volume 7, Number 4 - Volume 8, Number 1
1 and 2is probably a typo. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz Username:Chatul ( talk) 00:46, 27 February 2023 (UTC)
At
Ape the second citation (Xia et al, "The genetic basis of tail-loss evolution in humans and apes") is a bioRxiv preprint that also has a DOI and S2CID. Unfortunately {{
cite bioRxiv}}
doesn't support the |doi=
and |s2cid=
parameters. Attempting to use {{
cite journal}}
results in an error since there is no journal. So it doesn't currently seem possible to cite this paper wholly within CS1 without errors (I have resorted to adding {{
doi}}
and {{
s2cid}}
on the end).
Hairy Dude (
talk) 13:20, 2 March 2023 (UTC)
{{
cite biorxiv}}
is a preprint template so it supports only a limited subset of cs1|2 parameters. The other preprint templates are {{
cite arxiv}}
, {{
cite citeseerx}}
, and {{
cite ssrn}}
.The documentation for Template:Cite web says that if nine authors are entered then eight names will show, followed by "et al." This doesn't seem to have happened here. Does anyone know why? – Arms & Hearts ( talk) 19:46, 19 February 2023 (UTC)
I have in front of me a copy of the sole (I believe) paperback edition of a book recently published by Stanford UP. On its copyright page (the verso of the title page), I read Identifiers: LCCN 2021049474 (print) | LCCN 2021049475 (ebook) | ISBN 9781503630680 (cloth) | ISBN 9781503632196 (paperback) | ISBN 9781503632202 (ebook). Such a list is pretty normal these days. I infer that the hard- and paperback books are made up of the same pages, and differ only in their binding. If I specify the paperback's ISBN, somebody with easy access to a library that lacks it but does have the hardback may not find the latter. (True, in practice, good OPACs often provide all usable ISBNs for a given edition of a book.) The "Cite book" template doesn't have the fields "isbn1", "isbn2", etc. Suggestions? (And dead-tree issues aside, I don't know anything about the/any ebook edition: may -- or should -- I ignore it?)
A quick search took me to Help talk:Citation Style 1/Perennial. At first glance, this seems to provide the answer. However, it seems to be about efforts to, for example, cite this or that set of publication details (ISBN), and page number(s), for an editor's Penguin paperback of David Copperfield (or a similarly multiply-published work), plus a greater or lesser number of the same for some library's OUP hardback of the same novel. These are two different editions, very likely to have different pagination and possibly with other differences besides. I'm instead asking about what in reality are single editions that just have a variety of packaging. -- Hoary ( talk) 08:16, 5 March 2023 (UTC)
|id=
as indicated in /Perennial to indicate any other copies you believe are desirable.
Izno (
talk) 21:08, 5 March 2023 (UTC)
Hi, was going through some stuff and noticed that (updated: was referring to the cite journal documentation, didn't specify this originally) the "subscription =" parameter and "registration =" parameters (easiest to search for if you include 10 spaces between subscription and =) are still included in the vertical list of the parameters. Were they left there by accident and should they be removed? Jasonkwe ( talk) ( contribs) 23:06, 5 March 2023 (UTC)
It's common for a single issue of a journal to have a collection of book reviews, each of them independently written. Template:Cite journal conveniently has both the fields "title" (for the title of the review) and "department" (for pointing out that it's a review, etc). But what's the best (or least bad) thing to do if the review is untitled? -- Hoary ( talk) 03:19, 6 March 2023 (UTC)
|title=Review of Euler's Gem
. Often I put together a single footnote with multiple reviews and it would look stupid for them all to have the same meaningless title, so in this case when possible I set |title=none
(this only works when there is a doi but no url) or otherwise |title=Review
. What should be avoided is something like |title=Reviews - Euler's gem, by David S. Richeson. Pp. 336. £16.95. 2008. ISBN 978 0 691 12677 7 (Princeton University Press).
which is what you often get as the official publisher metadata for the review; this one is
doi:
10.1017/S0025557200007397. It doesn't really make a difference in these conventions whether the journal lists it as a separate publication or bundles it as part of a bigger collection of reviews, because the title is made-up anyway. (And of course for reviews with real titles, different from the reviewed book title, you can just use their title.)—
David Eppstein (
talk) 07:35, 6 March 2023 (UTC)
|title=none
, I'm told {{cite journal}}: CS1 maint: untitled periodical (link) (though in other, prettier colours, and with links). Though this is because I've enabled the doodad that displays such error messages. (Sorry, I forget what this doodad/option is called. Whatever, I'm sure that the huge majority of Wikipedia users don't bother with it.) If I view the same page when not logged in, no error is apparent. ¶ If you're wondering, the particular reference I'm fiddling with now is to a review by Jean Aitchison that's currently the 17th in the article
The Cambridge Grammar of the English Language (an article that I do realize is a mess in other, more important ways). --
Hoary (
talk) 08:17, 6 March 2023 (UTC)
I've noticed a large number of citations use links to Worldcat in the URL field. These should, I believe, be subsumed under the OCLC tag, which generates the exact same link. These are deceiving to users who will expect a link to the actual book or article, rather than a listing of libraries that hold that title. I would love to see these treated as CS1 errors so we could clean these up. Thoughts? Straughn ( talk) 20:40, 6 March 2023 (UTC)
|oclc=
. I don't know how reliable my memory is nor how valid that argument is.|url=
matches |oclc=
.|url=https://www.worldcat.org/...
so dumping that many errors on the editing populous will likely result in torches and pitchforks...Using VisualEditor I added the citation at 2021 Meron crowd crush#cite ref-51 (supporting the sentence I'd added) copying the title exactly as it appears in the English source: Interim recommendations in preparatio for the Hillula in 5782; it's clear from quotes in the source's text that preparatio should be preparation. I'd like to include a visible indication that the source has a spelling error so that anyone searching for the document in a library catalogue or elsewhere will know how it may appear. Adding [n] or [sic] to preparatio results in them appearing in same mauve as the rest of the title rather than black which is what I'd like to appear.
Since the exact date isn't in the English edition but is in the Hebrew at first I added the exact date in square brackets - [22] November 2021 - but when I checked to see how the citation would look it included"{{
cite web}}
: Check date values in: |date=
(
help)" so I deleted them and currently (22 November 2021) appears following the author. Can I do anything so that ([22] November 2021) appears? Is it possible to indicate the date's source?
Mcljlm (
talk) 15:22, 7 March 2023 (UTC)
Hi everyone! Looking at the Help:CS1 errors#Most common errors shows a few categories that are quite large. Would it be reasonable to request a bot operator (not me) to write a bot that delivers user talk page messages similar to JaGa's DPL bot whenever a registered editor adds an article to one of the most common CS1 error categories? The bot could use the watchlist to see which user added which article to which category, and then add a new section detailing what the error means and how to fix it with text similar to what is posted at Help:CS1 errors. If so, we could work on fleshing out the idea (e.g. the exact categories and text for the user talk pages) before making a bot request. Or maybe someone following this page would be an interested bot op? Thanks! GoingBatty ( talk) 22:26, 2 February 2023 (UTC)
Page watchers may be interested in the above BRFA. Izno ( talk) 08:19, 10 March 2023 (UTC)
Regarding this source:
This article appears to have been printed in the Sun-Sentinel but under the title it states "By The Boston Globe". Should I ignore that or give credit to The Boston Globe? If so, where in all of the formatting do I note that? Thanks! - Location ( talk) 17:34, 7 March 2023 (UTC)
|agency=
here. That isn't all that different of an attribution in the article than another would give the AP.
Izno (
talk) 20:06, 7 March 2023 (UTC)
Is there a parameter to have the author's name in the original non-Latin script (e.g., 王可心) and then a translated version (e.g., Wang Kexin)? If not, should there be? Or should you just try to do it best you can using some other method in the Basic editor? Why? I Ask ( talk) 05:05, 8 March 2023 (UTC)
|author=
. If you would rather have a different presentation (for example, including their name in one of the CJK scripts), you can use |author-mask=
. For example: {{cite book|title=Book |first=Kexin |last=Wang |author-mask=Wang Kexin 王可心}}
: Wang Kexin 王可心. Book.
Izno (
talk) 05:46, 8 March 2023 (UTC)
{{
cite tweet}}
user name problem, you described that solution as a naive implementation( permalink). How is it that the proposed
{{cite tweet}}
use of |author-mask=
is naive but the proposed translated-author-name use of |author-mask=
is not?|author=
without the @ rather than |first=
/|last=
(and why I used the word demonstrating, which I honestly couldn't tell you if that should have a [sic] next to it). It had nothing to do with your proposed use of |author-mask=
to include the @ symbol.
Izno (
talk) 22:02, 8 March 2023 (UTC)|eudml=
I suggest adding a new parameter |eudml=
to
template:cite journal. Because eudml introduces the url to the full article, and if that url is open access it would be better to replace the parameter |url=
with that url, and then, there is no place to enter the url of eudml. --
SilverMatsu (
talk) 16:34, 29 January 2023 (UTC)
Example
{{
cite journal}}
: Unknown parameter |eudml=
ignored (
help):Please provide more info on the identifier. It seems to refer to several different things. I assume you mean
eduml
and not eudml
.
204.19.162.34 (
talk) 18:15, 29 January 2023 (UTC)
Example
{{cite journal |url=http://gdz.sub.uni-goettingen.de/dms/resolveppn/?PPN=GDZPPN002102021|title=Il n'y a pas de variété abélienne sur Z |journal=Inventiones Mathematicae |year=1985 |volume=81 |pages=515–538 |last1=Fontaine |first1=Jean-Marc |issue=3 |doi=10.1007/BF01388584 |s2cid=122218539|id={{User:Silvermatsu/Template:EuDML|143270}}}}
@ Trappist the monk: A cited journal paper in Plasmapheresis has an identifier of PMID 36905184, which excesses the currently configured limit of 36900000 and leads to a bad PMID error of Citation Style 1. Please update this limit. NmWTfs85lXusaybq ( talk) 05:50, 12 March 2023 (UTC)
According to the documentation, "limited" access means "there are other constraints (such as a cap on daily views, a restriction to certain day or night times, or providing the contents only to certain IP ranges/locales on behalf of the provider of the source) to freely access this source as a whole". The most common reason is the last mentioned ie region locking. But the pop-up message says "Free access subject to limited trial, subscription normally required". That is the wrong message; if it were indeed the case, I would not be using "limited" but "subscription". Consider changing the message to match the documentation. Hawkeye7 (discuss) 23:52, 8 March 2023 (UTC)
The most common reason is the last mentioned ie region locking.Citation needed. My experience is entirely different – I don't often encounter region blocked sites. For me, free access is most often limited to a certain number of views per time period. No doubt, others have different experiences.
That's what |url-access=limited
is for
and the inconclusive discussion in
Help talk:Citation Style 1/Archive 77#Having a special value for url-status when a page is geo-restricted? But by all means change the documentation to match the usage.
Hawkeye7
(discuss) 04:25, 14 March 2023 (UTC)Sites that are inaccessible to a substantial number of users, such as sites that work only with a specific browser or in a specific country.Hawkeye7 (discuss) 04:36, 14 March 2023 (UTC)