Feel free to leave a note on this page in the usual manner; I'll probably ping you back with a reply. Just to keep things tidy, I generally only keep stuff on this page if it requires further action from me or you haven't read my reply yet, so check the page history for older conversations if you need to refer back.
I created the spelling and grammar checking project at Wikipedia:Typo Team/moss. If you are responding to an edit related to special characters, language tags, or manual of style compliance, HTML cleanup or markup issues, it might have been motivated by some report generated by that project. -- Beland ( talk) 03:52, 9 July 2021 (UTC)
Hi, just wanted to let you know that I have decided not to pursue this merge. I did a lot of work to reduce keyboard layout/ keyboard technology/ computer keyboard triplication, ending with clearing out the last of these to make it a redirect. It has all been undone and I don't have the inclination to pursue it to the bitter end, I just don't care that much. I can't see why the RTM that we have discussed would have any different result. If you want to go ahead anyway, feel free. -- John Maynard Friedman ( talk) 10:56, 26 August 2021 (UTC)
In Nilpotent Lie algebra, you introduced recently the awful formula {{math|''n'' ∈ <math>\mathbb{N}</math>}}. I have changed it into <math>n\in\mathbb{N}</math>. Please, avoid mixing latex and html rendering in the same formula.
Happy new year. D.Lazard ( talk) 09:42, 31 December 2021 (UTC)
Hello! I have recently been fixing typos from moss and I see there is a list of possible chemical formulas that don't use subscripts. I was wondering a couple of things:
16/5 - H3S10
Thanks and happy typo hunting 😄 rbstrachan ( talk) 19:41, 5 August 2022 (UTC)
<sub>
tags to use the {{chem2}}
template, should element names such as In,
Fe, etc. and chemical formulas that don't contain numbers, such as
HNOand
NaClas you mentioned, also be converted?On one hand, I'm not sure that it's worth adding the bulk of a template for things that don't technically need them and which don't benefit from a visual improvement to the way they are displayed. On the other hand, it may reduce the number of false positives for projects like WP:TT/M.One of the main reasons that I can see for converting HTML tags to the
{{chem2}}
template is to make it possible to search Wikipedia for chemical formulae without having to resort to
regex.
[1] Having said that, since elements and most basic chemical formulas don't contain numbers, they don't contain <sub>
tags, so making them use the {{chem2}}
template would not do anything to make them more easily searchable.In regards to both of our questions I do vaguely remember reading somewhere that the Moss scripts ignore capitalised words, and as elements and chemical formulas (should) always start with a capital, these may not be issues in the first place. 😅😊 —
rbstrachan (
talk) 23:34, 8 August 2022 (UTC)
References
insource:/Si\<sub\>8\<\/sub\>O\<sub\>22\<\/sub\>F\<sub\>2\<\/sub\>
. When written with the {{chem2}}
template, it can be done with just Si8O22F2
— no regex, or even insource:
necessary.
Hebrew is written right to left, unlike English which is written left to right. So the character following a Hebrew letter like Aleph will appear to its left rather than to its right. This causes a problem when the Hebrew letter is intended to be part of an English text rather than a Hebrew text. You have twice ignored this fact when replacing ℵ0 with א0 at Cardinality of the continuum.
More generally, you should always look at the resulting text as it is displayed to the ordinary user and make sure that it is what you want it to be. JRSpriggs ( talk) 14:45, 31 January 2023 (UTC)
Hello Beland. Thank you for your help on the page for 744 (number). I don't know that MOS:BBB ( 1) is needed here, only a couple of "special characters" I am going to keep with {{math}} rather than LaTeX, and while a very select few phones and other displays might have trouble with it, it's really not an issue, I have a burner phone and it reads just fine (on the other hand low quality Android devices will generally not read <math> in a note, and I think it's the same for other phones with similar operating systems, for some reason. Mine does not read it, iPhones do not have an issue with this). My intention is to dichotomize the <math> to main text and {{math}} to the notes, that way there is a breathing space for readers to see another style, and connect it with a note for like-information that helps contextualize the main text. Also, for your most recent edit 2 you accidentally left a "}}" which took out part of the note into main text (around line 166 in 2 to be specific). Those subscripts that you took out that were in {{math}} tags still and blended with LaTeX, you left in when you had originally converted only the special characters, see 1. Thank you again, and happy editing! Radlrb ( talk) 17:16, 12 March 2024 (UTC)
Hi Beland. Thank you for reviewing the 600-cell article, and for your suggestion that the copious footnotes be simplified and improved, and perhaps pulled inline or moved to separate articles. The article does have a great many explanatory footnotes! I have started this topic on my talk page and replied to your critique there. See you there! Dc.samizdat ( talk) 10:26, 21 March 2024 (UTC)
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Beland ( talk) 01:27, 24 March 2024 (UTC)Rigorous diff, but nice. Joshua Jonathan - Let's talk! 18:52, 24 March 2024 (UTC)
This seems like a thing you might know about; if not, apologies, and pointers to a better place are welcome. This edit added some unicode that doesn't display properly on my (modern, up-to-date) browser. It strikes me as unlikely that that's good practice, but not so unlikely that I reverted immediately. Thoughts? -- JBL ( talk) 18:44, 27 March 2024 (UTC)
Happy First Edit Day! Hi Beland! On behalf of the Birthday Committee, I'd like to wish you a very happy anniversary of the day you made your first edit and became a Wikipedian! The Herald (Benison) ( talk) 02:47, 6 April 2024 (UTC) |
Dear Beland,
I'd like to extend a cordial invitation to you to join the Twenty Year Society, an informal group for editors who've been participating in the Wikipedia project for twenty years or more.
Best regards, The Herald (Benison) ( talk) 02:48, 6 April 2024 (UTC)
— The Herald (Benison) ( talk) 02:48, 6 April 2024 (UTC)
Edits such as special:diff/1219321937, which in part converted some explicit thin spaces in mathematical typography to ordinary spaces, are not helpful. If another editor explicitly chose a size of space to stick into a formula, you should assume they did so for an intentional reason and not automatically second-guess that decision. Often regular spaces leave formulas written using plain wikimarkup (e.g. in {{ math}} templates) looking incorrect, and explicit hair spaces or thin spaces make the formula appear more correctly. – jacobolus (t) 01:53, 17 April 2024 (UTC)
{{thinsp}}
instead of  
is not substantially beneficial. The template is not inherently more accessible, being a weird english-wikipedia-ism that someone has to go do a search to learn about instead of a common standard used across the web.Hello @ Beland,
On Air pollution in Turkey I just cut and pasted from the source. So is the source wrong or is there some special way to cut and paste I should have used? Chidgk1 ( talk) 06:41, 20 April 2024 (UTC)
Hi Beland. Thank you for your work on N-wave. Another editor, Ldm1954, has reviewed it as part of new pages patrol and left the following comment:
You are tagged as creator, although I realize it got changed. I have indicated that it needs work or more.
To reply, leave a comment here and begin it with {{Re|Ldm1954}}
. (Message delivered via the
Page Curation tool, on behalf of the reviewer.)
Feel free to leave a note on this page in the usual manner; I'll probably ping you back with a reply. Just to keep things tidy, I generally only keep stuff on this page if it requires further action from me or you haven't read my reply yet, so check the page history for older conversations if you need to refer back.
I created the spelling and grammar checking project at Wikipedia:Typo Team/moss. If you are responding to an edit related to special characters, language tags, or manual of style compliance, HTML cleanup or markup issues, it might have been motivated by some report generated by that project. -- Beland ( talk) 03:52, 9 July 2021 (UTC)
Hi, just wanted to let you know that I have decided not to pursue this merge. I did a lot of work to reduce keyboard layout/ keyboard technology/ computer keyboard triplication, ending with clearing out the last of these to make it a redirect. It has all been undone and I don't have the inclination to pursue it to the bitter end, I just don't care that much. I can't see why the RTM that we have discussed would have any different result. If you want to go ahead anyway, feel free. -- John Maynard Friedman ( talk) 10:56, 26 August 2021 (UTC)
In Nilpotent Lie algebra, you introduced recently the awful formula {{math|''n'' ∈ <math>\mathbb{N}</math>}}. I have changed it into <math>n\in\mathbb{N}</math>. Please, avoid mixing latex and html rendering in the same formula.
Happy new year. D.Lazard ( talk) 09:42, 31 December 2021 (UTC)
Hello! I have recently been fixing typos from moss and I see there is a list of possible chemical formulas that don't use subscripts. I was wondering a couple of things:
16/5 - H3S10
Thanks and happy typo hunting 😄 rbstrachan ( talk) 19:41, 5 August 2022 (UTC)
<sub>
tags to use the {{chem2}}
template, should element names such as In,
Fe, etc. and chemical formulas that don't contain numbers, such as
HNOand
NaClas you mentioned, also be converted?On one hand, I'm not sure that it's worth adding the bulk of a template for things that don't technically need them and which don't benefit from a visual improvement to the way they are displayed. On the other hand, it may reduce the number of false positives for projects like WP:TT/M.One of the main reasons that I can see for converting HTML tags to the
{{chem2}}
template is to make it possible to search Wikipedia for chemical formulae without having to resort to
regex.
[1] Having said that, since elements and most basic chemical formulas don't contain numbers, they don't contain <sub>
tags, so making them use the {{chem2}}
template would not do anything to make them more easily searchable.In regards to both of our questions I do vaguely remember reading somewhere that the Moss scripts ignore capitalised words, and as elements and chemical formulas (should) always start with a capital, these may not be issues in the first place. 😅😊 —
rbstrachan (
talk) 23:34, 8 August 2022 (UTC)
References
insource:/Si\<sub\>8\<\/sub\>O\<sub\>22\<\/sub\>F\<sub\>2\<\/sub\>
. When written with the {{chem2}}
template, it can be done with just Si8O22F2
— no regex, or even insource:
necessary.
Hebrew is written right to left, unlike English which is written left to right. So the character following a Hebrew letter like Aleph will appear to its left rather than to its right. This causes a problem when the Hebrew letter is intended to be part of an English text rather than a Hebrew text. You have twice ignored this fact when replacing ℵ0 with א0 at Cardinality of the continuum.
More generally, you should always look at the resulting text as it is displayed to the ordinary user and make sure that it is what you want it to be. JRSpriggs ( talk) 14:45, 31 January 2023 (UTC)
Hello Beland. Thank you for your help on the page for 744 (number). I don't know that MOS:BBB ( 1) is needed here, only a couple of "special characters" I am going to keep with {{math}} rather than LaTeX, and while a very select few phones and other displays might have trouble with it, it's really not an issue, I have a burner phone and it reads just fine (on the other hand low quality Android devices will generally not read <math> in a note, and I think it's the same for other phones with similar operating systems, for some reason. Mine does not read it, iPhones do not have an issue with this). My intention is to dichotomize the <math> to main text and {{math}} to the notes, that way there is a breathing space for readers to see another style, and connect it with a note for like-information that helps contextualize the main text. Also, for your most recent edit 2 you accidentally left a "}}" which took out part of the note into main text (around line 166 in 2 to be specific). Those subscripts that you took out that were in {{math}} tags still and blended with LaTeX, you left in when you had originally converted only the special characters, see 1. Thank you again, and happy editing! Radlrb ( talk) 17:16, 12 March 2024 (UTC)
Hi Beland. Thank you for reviewing the 600-cell article, and for your suggestion that the copious footnotes be simplified and improved, and perhaps pulled inline or moved to separate articles. The article does have a great many explanatory footnotes! I have started this topic on my talk page and replied to your critique there. See you there! Dc.samizdat ( talk) 10:26, 21 March 2024 (UTC)
Congratulations, and thank you for helping expand the scope of Wikipedia! We hope you will continue making quality contributions.
If you have any questions, you are welcome to ask at the help desk. Once you have made at least 10 edits and had an account for at least four days, you will have the option to create articles yourself without posting a request to Articles for creation.
If you would like to help us improve this process, please consider
.Thanks again, and happy editing!
Beland ( talk) 01:27, 24 March 2024 (UTC)Rigorous diff, but nice. Joshua Jonathan - Let's talk! 18:52, 24 March 2024 (UTC)
This seems like a thing you might know about; if not, apologies, and pointers to a better place are welcome. This edit added some unicode that doesn't display properly on my (modern, up-to-date) browser. It strikes me as unlikely that that's good practice, but not so unlikely that I reverted immediately. Thoughts? -- JBL ( talk) 18:44, 27 March 2024 (UTC)
Happy First Edit Day! Hi Beland! On behalf of the Birthday Committee, I'd like to wish you a very happy anniversary of the day you made your first edit and became a Wikipedian! The Herald (Benison) ( talk) 02:47, 6 April 2024 (UTC) |
Dear Beland,
I'd like to extend a cordial invitation to you to join the Twenty Year Society, an informal group for editors who've been participating in the Wikipedia project for twenty years or more.
Best regards, The Herald (Benison) ( talk) 02:48, 6 April 2024 (UTC)
— The Herald (Benison) ( talk) 02:48, 6 April 2024 (UTC)
Edits such as special:diff/1219321937, which in part converted some explicit thin spaces in mathematical typography to ordinary spaces, are not helpful. If another editor explicitly chose a size of space to stick into a formula, you should assume they did so for an intentional reason and not automatically second-guess that decision. Often regular spaces leave formulas written using plain wikimarkup (e.g. in {{ math}} templates) looking incorrect, and explicit hair spaces or thin spaces make the formula appear more correctly. – jacobolus (t) 01:53, 17 April 2024 (UTC)
{{thinsp}}
instead of  
is not substantially beneficial. The template is not inherently more accessible, being a weird english-wikipedia-ism that someone has to go do a search to learn about instead of a common standard used across the web.Hello @ Beland,
On Air pollution in Turkey I just cut and pasted from the source. So is the source wrong or is there some special way to cut and paste I should have used? Chidgk1 ( talk) 06:41, 20 April 2024 (UTC)
Hi Beland. Thank you for your work on N-wave. Another editor, Ldm1954, has reviewed it as part of new pages patrol and left the following comment:
You are tagged as creator, although I realize it got changed. I have indicated that it needs work or more.
To reply, leave a comment here and begin it with {{Re|Ldm1954}}
. (Message delivered via the
Page Curation tool, on behalf of the reviewer.)