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The subscription=yes was deprecated this year. Maybe it's only me, but I don't get how the five (?) new …-access=… parameters are supposed to work. The general situation is a site using JavaScript to detect an AdBlock and not working at all, if JavaScript is disabled. What is this, …-access=limited or …-access=subscription?
Sometimes I'm too lazy to disallow JS, and get either the complete page with some anti-AdBlock-Ad, a part of the page, or nothing. If I only wanted to verify a reference a part can be already good enough, but maybe a critical BLP detail is not covered in the visible part. In that case I added subscription=yes and ignored the issue (if possible per
BLP policy, no wild and wonderful statements.)
Today I tested article-url-access=limited,
epic
fail, I got confusing error messages about a chapter-url-access=…, and I have no clue what this is:
It is certainly not mentioned on
Help:Citation Style 1, it is not explained on
Template:Cite web/doc, and the cross-namespace redirection of
Template talk:Cite web to
Help talk:Citation Style 1 used to be a speedy deletion reason about 12 years ago. @
Trappist the monk: please help.
–
84.46.53.102 (
talk) 03:42, 23 June 2019 (UTC)
If the restriction applies to an identifier, these parameters should be omitted.Since the docs say
citations within a given article should follow a consistent style, it looks like the access icons need to be suppressed throughout the article. Hawkeye7 (discuss) 05:41, 23 June 2019 (UTC)
epic fail. I do see that this edit caused an error message.
|article-url-access=
is an alias of |chapter-url-access=
in the same way that |article-url=
is an alias of |chapter-url=
. That error message occurs because there is no |article-url=
in the citation template, which, in any case, is not supported by {{
cite web}}
.{{cite web/new|url=https://www.smdailyjournal.com/opinion/columnists/young-influencers/article_f5ab5274-b886-11e8-91c4-7375caf77776.html|title=Young influencers|first=Brooke|last=Hanshaw|date=September 15, 2018|website=SMDailyJournal.com|article-url-access=limited}}
{{
cite web}}
: |article-url-access=
requires |article-url=
(
help)Here's my problem:
{{cite journal |last=Lytton |first=Henry D. |title=Bombing Policy in the Rome and Pre-Normandy Invasion Aerial Campaigns of World War II: Bridge-Bombing Strategy Vindicated - and Railyard-Bombing Strategy Invalidated |journal=Military Affairs |url=https://search.proquest.com/docview/1296644342 |url-access=subscription |issn=0026-3931 |volume=47 |issue=2 |pp=53–60 |date=1 April 1983 |via=[[ProQuest]]}}
{{
ProQuest}}
in its present form doesn't bring anything to the table. It might if it were rewritten to take advantage of features available in {{
Catalog lookup link}}
– notably |url-accessn=
. But, with only one identifier, not needed here.As a follow up on Help talk:Citation Style 1/Archive 36#Zbl error checking and Help talk:Citation Style 1/Archive 39#8 digit ZBL, the Zbl error checking should allow for all numeric (8 digit specifically) possibilities, as Zbl can have temporary assignments, such as Zbl 07013361 and Zbl 06949999 found in Vladimir Mazya, or Zbl 06684722 found in Lou van den Dries.
Those could be put in a Category:CS1 maintenance: Temporary Zbl or similar. Headbomb { t · c · p · b} 17:51, 24 June 2019 (UTC)
|zbl=Zbl 1260.11001
. When found, the prefix is stripped and the article added to an undefined category. Because undefined, if ever a zbl had the prefix we would have gotten a glaring red script error. That we haven't (or that no one has complained), perhaps this check is unnecessary. For the moment the check remains in place:
{{cite journal/new |title=Title |journal=Journal |zbl=Zbl 1260.11001}}
{{
cite journal}}
: Check |zbl=
value (
help){{cite journal/new |title=Title |journal=Journal |zbl=1260.11001}}
{{cite journal/new |title=Title |journal=Journal |zbl=06066616}}
{{
cite journal}}
: CS1 maint: Zbl (
link){{cite journal/new |title=Title |journal=Journal |zbl=6066616}}
{{
cite journal}}
: Check |zbl=
value (
help){{cite journal/new |title=Title |journal=Journal |zbl=Zbl 1260.11001}}
... I don't like that. The error should be pointed out. This isn't like in the case of the
PMCID where the 'pmc' is actually part of the identifier.
Headbomb {
t ·
c ·
p ·
b} 15:46, 25 June 2019 (UTC)
Template:Cs1 function has been nominated for deletion. You are invited to comment on the discussion at the template's entry on the Templates for discussion page. – Finnusertop ( talk ⋅ contribs) 19:08, 25 June 2019 (UTC)
For stylistic reasons, the title in
{{
citation}}
: CS1 maint: unflagged free DOI (
link)needs suppressing. However, when you set |title=none
, you get
{{
citation}}
: |url=
missing title (
help)CS1 maint: unflagged free DOI (
link) CS1 maint: untitled periodical (
link)I believe in this case, we should have something like
or even something like
or
instead. Headbomb { t · c · p · b} 22:52, 6 June 2019 (UTC)
{{citation |last=Bach |first=Eric |pages=145–146 |journal=Discrete Dynamics in Nature and Society |volume=6 |issue=2 |year=2001 |doi=10.1155/S1026022601000152 |doi-access=free |title=none}}
{{
citation}}
: CS1 maint: untitled periodical (
link)<ref>...</ref>
tag.https://
links above cause my current-version Chrome browser complain about security certificate mismatch. The link at the doi-linked publisher's page is an http://...
url.{{
cite journal}}
: |url=
missing title (
help)CS1 maint: untitled periodical (
link)Now that a bot is changing field names, a concerning issue arises if "website=" can take no wiki-markup. "Website=" automatically italicizes anything in the field. Yet many things, like the names of TV networks (ABC, CNN) and non-periodical sites like Rotten Tomatoes and AllMusic, are not italicized, and having them appear non-italicized in text and italicized in References is inconsistent and contrary to most standard footnoting style. I would note the MOS indicates that non-periodical websites are not italicized and that only this template forces that. What can we do to address this? -- Tenebrae ( talk) 21:00, 27 June 2019 (UTC)
The bot is doing the right thing. When I cite something I read on https://www.nbc.com, I am not citing the network because the network is on television. I am citing the website which is a periodical and just so happens to share a name with the network. The publisher is " NBCUniversal". The "website=" is the proper parameter to use in this example. If you believe "website=" should not be italicized, let's have that discussion. Or advocate for another parameter for non-periodical websites (but I don't see why they should be treated differently. They are a body of work and should be italicized). Misusing "publisher=" is not a solution no matter how long that has been the status quo. Rotten Tomatoes is published by Fandango. AllMusic is published by RhythmOne. --- Coffeeand crumbs 04:24, 28 June 2019 (UTC)
I don't know how to do this myself, but would Wikipedia and/or fellow Wikipedians please consider how to add both "Introduction" and "Introduction-first"/"Introduction-last" to the book citation template? Ditto for Prologue, Foreword, Epilogue, Afterword? I ask because often one or more experts will kindly not edit a famous book but will add expert commentary before and/or after a book's text. Thank you Aboudaqn ( talk) 18:28, 29 June 2019 (UTC)
{{
cite book}}
supports |contribution=
and |contributor=
(and firt/last variants):
{{cite book}}
(or book cites using {{
citation}}
).|chapter=
or |contribution=
.Way back at this discussion →
Help talk:Citation Style 1/Archive 4#Looking for trans title for {{cite encyclopedia}}, I wrote code in
Module:Citation/CS1 that remaps the various |title=
, |article=
(or alias), and |encyclopedia=
parameters of {{
cite encyclopedia}}
and {{
citation}}
templates according to whichever combination of parameters is present. One of those remappings is |encyclopedia=
to |title=
when |title=
and |article=
are both missing / empty. What that does is this:
{{cite encyclopedia |encyclopedia=Encyclopedia}}
→ Encyclopedia. {{
cite encyclopedia}}
: Missing or empty |title=
(
help){{citation |encyclopedia=Encyclopedia}}
→ Encyclopedia {{
citation}}
: Missing or empty |title=
(
help)I don't know what I was thinking. cs1|2 citations require titles.
Internally, Module:Citation/CS1 copies the value assigned to |encyclopedia=
into a meta-parameter Periodical
. When there is no |title=
and no |article=
, then the module copies the content of Periodical
to the title meta-parameter Title
and resets Periodical
to an empty string. This satisfies the requirement for a cs1|2 title. But should it?
I discovered this because I've been working on cleaning up various cs1 wrapper templates that link to wikisource ({{
cite EB1911}}
, {{
cite Catholic Encyclopedia}}
, etc). Those templates force a title when |wstitle=
and |title=
are missing or empty:
<sup>[[Wikisource:1911 Encyclopædia Britannica|<span style="color:red">article name needed</span>]]</sup>
Beyond the fact that there is no title, the problem with this way of dealing with the missing title is that the label portion of that wikilink, the part that goes into the citation's metadata, has html markup which it should not. So, I have tweaked the module to be more like other templates where |title=
is missing or empty:
Wikitext | {{cite encyclopedia
|
---|---|
Live | Encyclopedia. {{
cite encyclopedia}} : Missing or empty |title= (
help)
|
Sandbox | Encyclopedia. {{
cite encyclopedia}} : Missing or empty |title= (
help)
|
Wikitext | {{cite encyclopedia
|
---|---|
Live | "Article". Encyclopedia. |
Sandbox | "Article". Encyclopedia. |
Wikitext | {{cite encyclopedia
|
---|---|
Live | "Article". Title. |
Sandbox | "Article". Title. |
Wikitext | {{citation
|
---|---|
Live | Encyclopedia {{
citation}} : Missing or empty |title= (
help)
|
Sandbox | Encyclopedia {{
citation}} : Missing or empty |title= (
help)
|
Wikitext | {{citation
|
---|---|
Live | "Article", Encyclopedia |
Sandbox | "Article", Encyclopedia |
— Trappist the monk ( talk) 15:41, 28 June 2019 (UTC)
|title=
as an alias of the "work" (the book). It would make more sense to introduce (in both {{cite book}} and {{cite encyclopedia}}) a parameter |book=
and to alias it with |title=
rather than increasing the confusion. Edited collections are also books, in print or otherwise.
98.0.246.242 (
talk) 01:55, 29 June 2019 (UTC)
{{
cite encyclopedia}}
citation template is missing an article title whether that be |title=
or any of the |article=
aliases. Restructuring the existing template suite to be more semantically correct may be something that we want to do but that is a topic for another time and place.{{
cite encyclopedia}}
: Missing or empty |title=
(
help)
{{
harvc}}
){{cite encyclopedia/new |editor1-last=Dear |editor1-first=I. C. B.|editor2-last=Foot |editor2-first=M. R. D. |title=The Oxford Companion to World War II |year=1995 |publisher=Oxford University Press |isbn=0-19-866225-4}}
{{
cite encyclopedia}}
is mostly the same as {{
cite book}}
in both its rendering and its metadata.|title=
an alias for "work" (|encyclopedia=
) in {{cite encyclopedia}} now?
65.88.88.75 (
talk) 15:22, 29 June 2019 (UTC)
{{
cite encyclopedia}}
, it is different. In the
discussion I mentioned, I discuss how
Module:Citation/CS1 remaps the various parameters. When |title=
is empty or omitted, |encyclopedia=
is promoted to |title=
so that the citation's metadata will have that meaningful information (&rft.btitle=
). Given |title=
alone, nothing promotes and we have good metadata. |encyclopedia=
is not an alias of |title=
nor is |title=
an alias of |article=
though in both cases the former can be promoted to the latter under appropriate conditions.Hello, I have located around 200 |author=
fields that contain a date of some form prefixed by "Published". Would be good if someone could move the date detail to the |date=
field, assuming the field is blank, formatting it appropriately. If the |date=
matches the date in the |author=
field then ignore it. In either case just blank the |author=
field. Hopefully that should just leave a few cases to handle manually where the date from the |author=
field does not match the |date=
field.
Keith D (
talk) 19:59, 29 June 2019 (UTC)
The cite journal template needs to be updated. I couldn't find which particular page codes for the bibcode= parameter in cite journal, so sorry if this is the wrong talk page. See my fix of the direct bibcode template for what needs doing. For example,
The fix will affect a huge amount of pages. Double-check and triple-check before hitting "Publish changes"...! Boud ( talk) 01:55, 30 June 2019 (UTC)
Please update the URL for bibcode=..., for example bibcode=1974AJ.....79..819H form http://adsabs.harvard.edu/abs/1974AJ.....79..819H to https://ui.adsabs.harvard.edu/abs/1974AJ.....79..819H . ADS Classic is now deprecated. It will be completely retired in October 2019. Read here: https://adsabs.github.io/blog/transition-reminder https://adsabs.github.io/blog/ave-atque-vale — Preceding unsigned comment added by Infin2694529 ( talk • contribs) 19:30, 25 June 2019 (UTC)
For example, no author name ends with a ,
or ;
or :
. We could have a check for
|lastn=
/|firstn=
/|authorn=
/|collaboration=
to make sure they don't end with such a comma, colon, or semi-colon, giving things like
{{
cite journal}}
: CS1 maint: extra punctuation (
link)Likewise for a slew of parameters, which are basically every parameter except
|url=
|article-url=
|chapter-url=
|contribution-url=
|arxiv=
) which have their own, more-stringent, checks.I also propose they are initially made as maintenance categories so they don't get thrown as big red errors to readers while kinks get worked out, and (possibly) corner cases identified.
The only parameters I see this as potentially problematic is |chapter=
/|title=
/|quote=
(for technical documentation, like |title=Reasons not to use & over &
).
Headbomb { t · c · p · b} 21:19, 25 June 2019 (UTC)
|chapter=Chapter 1:
really should be |chapter=Chapter 1: Introduction
. Or |title=A History of the World:
is really |title=A History of the World: the Last Five Years
. The seemingly extraneous terminal character is actually a signal, or at least a clue, that something else is missing. Looking at this a minor cleanup of extraneous characters removes those clues. If they were to be the basis of a maintenance category there should be an instruction to first check the source to if the chapter/title/whatever needs to be completed. ♦
J. Johnson (JJ) (
talk) 19:52, 27 June 2019 (UTC)
|chapter=Chapter 1
is still correct and better |chapter=Chapter 1:
, likewise for |title=A History of the World
. But that's the sort of thing we'd find out through maintenance categories. This is also why |chapter=
/|title=
are also a bit different from |pages=
, where a |pages=32:
is clearly an error.
Headbomb {
t ·
c ·
p ·
b} 20:04, 27 June 2019 (UTC)|title=
The First Three Minutes
rather than |title=The First Three Minutes: A Modern View of the Origin of the Universe
. Either way, the maintenance category would be appropriate.
Headbomb {
t ·
c ·
p ·
b} 00:49, 28 June 2019 (UTC){{cite book/new |title=Title:}}
→ Title:.{{cite book/new |title=Title |url=//example.com;}}
→
Title. {{
cite book}}
: Check |url=
value (
help){{cite book/new |title=Title |agency=Agency,}}
→ Title. {{
cite book}}
: Unknown parameter |agency=
ignored (
help)CS1 maint: extra punctuation (
link){{cite book/new |title=Title |quote=quote,}}
→ Title. quote,
{{cite book/new |title=Title |postscript=;}}
→ Title; 'BookTitle', 'Chapter', 'ScriptChapter', 'ScriptTitle', 'Title', 'TransChapter', 'Transcript', 'TransMap', 'TransTitle',
'PostScript', 'Quote',
'ArchiveURL', 'ChapterURL', 'ConferenceURL', 'LayURL', 'MapURL', 'TranscriptURL', 'URL'
[,;:]
then it adds the article to
Category:CS1 maint: extra punctuation.|delimiter=
or |seperator=
or something that should be added to the excepted parameters?
Headbomb {
t ·
c ·
p ·
b} 17:44, 29 June 2019 (UTC)
|author-name-separator=
, |author-separator=
, |editor-name-separator=
, |editor-separator=
, |name-separator=
, and |separator=
. Those all went away when we adopted |mode=
.Also, I think it's worth thinking about expanding the set to other characters e.g., , ; : & ( ^ [ <
... They don't all have to be done right away, but it's something to think about. It would be good to know what the explicit list of parameters that would have this check so we can see if there are corner cases (e.g. final - in author is an issue, but a final - in |pages=
might not be (e.g. |pages=33-
), or have a customized list of checks, e.g. pseudocode
finalcheck , = allowed {quote, url} . = disallowed {last, editor-last, year, date, volume, issue, pages, page, at, ...} & = disallowed {all} ; = allowed {chapter, title, quote, ...} $ = allowed {chapter, title, quote, ...}
Headbomb { t · c · p · b} 17:59, 29 June 2019 (UTC)
Commonly found trailing garbage in URLs includes:
-- Green C 23:56, 28 June 2019 (UTC)
@ Headbomb: right, sometimes wrong:
How often it is not-wrong for comparison is the question. Which is worse tracking or not. -- Green C 05:11, 30 June 2019 (UTC)
A book that appeared with the author given on the title page as "A Virginian", but you know his real name, how is this best handled? I wish there were a "pseudonym" field.
Please don't get off on how we know the real name. That's a different topic.
This was posted unsuccessfully at Teahouse. Thanks for any help. deisenbe ( talk) 01:42, 5 July 2019 (UTC)
If a work is attributed to an invented or descriptive name, and the author’s real name is not known, pseud. (roman, in brackets) may follow the name, especially if it might not be immediately clear to readers that the name is false (as in the first two examples below). (An initial The or A may be omitted. In a text citation, or in a shortened form in a note, pseud. is usually omitted.),
A widely used pseudonym is generally treated as if it were the author’s real name.,
The real name, if of interest to readers, may follow the pseudonym in brackets.,
If the author’s real name is better known than the pseudonym, the real name should be used.Umimmak ( talk) 04:31, 5 July 2019 (UTC)
When issue=10,000
is used in {{
cite news}} (e.g. to cite a daily newspaper), the number is displayed as 10, 000 (with a space), which goes against
MOS:DIGITS. If issue=10000
is used, template shows 10000 (without a comma), which is also against the Manual of Style. issue=1,000
produces the same result, but at least it can be avoided, as 1000 is accepted by the MOS: Numbers with exactly four digits left of the decimal point may optionally be grouped (either 1,250 or 1250), provided that this is consistent within each article.
SLBedit (
talk) 01:15, 14 July 2019 (UTC)
Some books are differentiated from each other by volumes and parts. For example:
How would I cite the last two? If I use the "issue" parameter in 'cite book' template it doesn't show:
-- Brianann MacAmhlaidh ( talk) 22:50, 3 July 2019 (UTC)
{{
cite book}}
uses doesn't support part. The metadata standard doesn't support issue or number for books either which is why {{cite book}}
doesn't support those parameters. One way to accomplish what you want is this:
{{cite book |last=Smith |title=History of Apples |year=1901 |volume=2 |at=pt. 1}}
|at=pt. 1 pp. 75–83
|mode=cs1
, as in
|volume=
and |issue=
, but this work-around ends up producing the right results.
Umimmak (
talk)
{{
citation}}
documentation:
{{
cite book}}
does not support |issue=
so book citations rendered with {{citation}}
should do the same. The journal-style volume and issue format rendered by your example looks like a journal cite without an article title – a style that is allowed in journal citations where |title=none
. As you can see, your example mimics that style but produces invalid metadata were it used to create journal citations without article title.{{
cite book}}
: Unknown parameter |editors=
ignored (|editor=
suggested) (
help){{
cite book}}
, even in olden days, bolded |volume=
:Wikitext | {{cite book
|
---|---|
Live | Sunada, T. (2013). "Generalities on Graphs". Topological Crystallography. Surveys and Tutorials in the Applied Mathematical Sciences. Vol. 6. Tokyo: Springer. pp. 21–35.
doi:
10.1007/978-4-431-54177-6_3.
ISBN
978-4-431-54177-6. {{
cite book}} : Unknown parameter |editors= ignored (|editor= suggested) (
help)
|
Sandbox | Sunada, T. (2013). "Generalities on Graphs". Topological Crystallography. Surveys and Tutorials in the Applied Mathematical Sciences. Vol. 6. Tokyo: Springer. pp. 21–35.
doi:
10.1007/978-4-431-54177-6_3.
ISBN
978-4-431-54177-6. {{
cite book}} : Unknown parameter |editors= ignored (|editor= suggested) (
help)
|
A related issue is that a book may have multiple volumes for its particular title, and also have a different numbering as a volume within a book series. What I've usually resorted to in such cases is to put, e.g. "Vol. I" into the title parameter, and use the volume parameter for the book series volume number. — David Eppstein ( talk) 19:01, 4 July 2019 (UTC)
As I noted earlier in this discussion, {{
citation}}
is broken. I've tweaked the sandbox to fix that:
book and encyclopedia cites do not show issue:
{{citation/new|mode=cs1 |last=Smith |title=History of Apples |year=1902 |volume=2 |issue=2}}
→ Smith (1902). History of Apples. Vol. 2.{{citation/new|mode=cs1 |last=Smith |title=History of Apples |encyclopedia=Encyclopedia |year=1902 |volume=2 |issue=2}}
→ Smith (1902). "History of Apples". Encyclopedia. Vol. 2.periodical cites (|journal=
, |magazine=
, |news=
) show issue:
{{citation/new|mode=cs1 |last=Smith |title=History of Apples |journal=Journal |year=1902 |volume=2 |issue=2}}
→ Smith (1902). "History of Apples". Journal. 2 (2).{{citation/new|mode=cs1 |last=Smith |title=History of Apples |magazine=Magazine |year=1902 |volume=2 |issue=2}}
→ Smith (1902). "History of Apples". Magazine. Vol. 2, no. 2.{{citation/new|mode=cs1 |last=Smith |title=History of Apples |newspaper=Newspaper |year=1902 |volume=2 |issue=2}}
→ Smith (1902). "History of Apples". Newspaper. Vol. 2, no. 2.web cites (|website=
) show neither volume nor issue:
{{citation/new|mode=cs1 |last=Smith |title=History of Apples |website=Website |year=1902 |volume=2 |issue=2}}
→ Smith (1902). "History of Apples". Website. {{
citation}}
: Missing or empty |url=
(
help)|script-<periodical>=
except |script-website=
show both volume and issue:
{{citation/new|mode=cs1 |last=Smith |title=History of Apples |script-journal=ar:Script-Journal |year=1902 |volume=2 |issue=2}}
→ Smith (1902). "History of Apples". Script-Journal. Vol. 2.with |script-website=
shows neither volume nor issue:
{{citation/new|mode=cs1 |last=Smith |title=History of Apples |script-website=ar:Script-Website |year=1902 |volume=2 |issue=2}}
→ Smith (1902). "History of Apples". Script-Website. {{
citation}}
: Missing or empty |url=
(
help)cs1 templates to show that I haven't broken anything:
{{cite encyclopedia/new |last=Smith |title=History of Apples |encyclopedia=Encyclopedia |year=1902 |volume=2 |issue=2}}
→ Smith (1902). "History of Apples". Encyclopedia. Vol. 2.{{cite news/new |last=Smith |title=History of Apples |newspaper=Newspaper |year=1902 |volume=2 |issue=2}}
→ Smith (1902). "History of Apples". Newspaper. Vol. 2, no. 2.{{cite web/new |last=Smith |title=History of Apples |website=Website |year=1902 |volume=2 |issue=2}}
→ Smith (1902). "History of Apples". Website. {{
cite web}}
: Missing or empty |url=
(
help)with |script-<periodical>=
:
{{cite journal/new |last=Smith |title=History of Apples |script-journal=ar:Script-Journal |year=1902 |volume=2 |issue=2}}
→ Smith (1902). "History of Apples". Script-Journal. 2 (2).{{cite web/new |last=Smith |title=History of Apples |script-website=ar:Script-Website |year=1902 |volume=2 |issue=2}}
→ Smith (1902). "History of Apples". Script-Website. {{
cite web}}
: Missing or empty |url=
(
help)While making these fixes, I also noticed that {{citation|website=...}}
without |url=
does not show the missing url error message. Fixed that:
Wikitext | {{citation
|
---|---|
Live | "Title", Website {{
citation}} : Missing or empty |url= (
help)
|
Sandbox | "Title", Website {{
citation}} : Missing or empty |url= (
help)
|
— Trappist the monk ( talk) 16:44, 5 July 2019 (UTC)
I've never liked the way "volume" appears for books. The template uses the form appropriate for journals. Would it be possible for it to render as "Vol. XXX" like suggested above? Hawkeye7 (discuss) 01:36, 15 July 2019 (UTC)
archive-date
automaticallyWhen adding an
archive link, the archive-date
has to be entered manually, even if the archive-url
already contains it:
https://web.archive.org/web/20020120142510/http://example.com/
Many other archives besides Wayback include the date (also the source URL) in the snapshot URL as well.
Couldn't this be automated? That would be more convenient, and less error-prone. Toxide ( talk) 10:57, 17 July 2019 (UTC)
{{
webarchive}}
and the cs1|2 modules might share some bit of code that would extract an archive date from |archive-url=
– {{webarchive}}
already does this. I have not determined whether or not that functionality is easily shared without substantial changes to either or both of cs1|2 and {{webarchive}}
.|archive-date=
should go away entirely but that would mean that anything put in |archive-url=
must have an encoded archive date. At present, there is no requirement that |archive-url=
hold a url of an archival service (though best-practices would suggest that non-archival-service urls are suspect).|archive-date=
with the 14-digit timestamp, if it exists, and generate a red tracking message about a mismatch. {{
webarchive}}
already does this and CS1|2 might also. My bot WaybackMedic is able to fix these, and on occasion runs through the {{webarchive}}
tracking category to clear it. --
Green
C 15:19, 17 July 2019 (UTC)1. Has anyone considered adding author affiliation as a feature of cite journal? For example in Ottoman_constitution_of_1876#Further_reading I wanted to state the university affiliation of a journal article author, but that would mean putting parentheses in the author field. Is there a way for the template to display affiliation in this way without having parentheses in the author field?
2. I haven't used citation templates to cite works where a book contains multiple essays written by different people, as you have the author of the essay itself and then the editors of the book in question. Is this functionality there in the template? If not, would it be OK to add it?
Thanks, WhisperToMe ( talk) 21:32, 17 July 2019 (UTC)
|author=Korkut, Huseyin ([[Kırklareli University]])
{{
cite journal}}
will require |journal=
|editorN-first=
and |editorN-first=
can support different numbers of N to allow multiple editors. I also don't see the reason to include an ISBN-10 when you have access to an ISBN-13. Just cite the ISBN-13.
Umimmak (
talk) 23:51, 17 July 2019 (UTC)
John Doe, director of the Institute of Dust Bunny Studies, stated that....34
Another thing I'd like to explore: Is there a function where a URL can be given for a particular page in a book and that makes the page number clickable? The reason why I want this is that I want the title of the book to serve as a Wikipedia link to an article about the book itself (I often intentionally write Wikipedia articles about books used as sources so readers can learn about the background of the book), while the page number would be the place where one can click for the source content. WhisperToMe ( talk) 11:37, 18 July 2019 (UTC)
{{cite book |author=Author |chapter=Chapter Title |editor=Editor |title=Book Title |page=[//example.com 25]}}
This bug has been in the code since we added support for the access icons. Surprising that it's not been noticed until now. Fixed in the sandbox:
Wikitext | {{cite book
|
---|---|
Live |
"Chapter". Title. {{
cite book}} : Invalid |chapter-url-access=Subscription (
help)
|
Sandbox |
"Chapter". Title. {{
cite book}} : Invalid |chapter-url-access=Subscription (
help)
|
— Trappist the monk ( talk) 22:28, 17 July 2019 (UTC)
Why is the option doi-access=subscription not allowed when in fact most DOI lead to journal websites that require subscription or access via university libraries? -- bender235 ( talk) 15:38, 15 July 2019 (UTC)
|doi=
as an example) |doi-access=free
should be used. For |url=
, the norm is that the linked source is usually free-to-read. When that isn't the case, that is when |url-access=subscription
, |url-access=registration
, or |url-access=limited
should be used.|doi=subscription
but it isn't showing the red lock. How come?'|doi|jstor=registration
should be added for content that requires registration only. Without this clarification, readers are not offered an existing path to non-paid verification.
65.88.88.91 (
talk) 18:24, 15 July 2019 (UTC)
|<identifier>-access=free
.|url=
and I cannot remember anybody complaining about it. The same array of options (with allowances for the access norm) should be extended to all content identifiers. The specific case has the potential to make verifiability easier/more accessible. I would think this would make it a no-brainer.
65.88.88.91 (
talk) 20:39, 15 July 2019 (UTC)I read above that:
{{
cite journal}}
will require |journal=
Are we sure about this? There are thousands of journals which use DataCite DOIs, but the funny thing (as someone highlighted to me at some recent conferences) is that the DataCite schema doesn't have a field for the journal name. This might be dismissed as irrelevant but is a sign of what is considered important. Nemo 13:27, 19 July 2019 (UTC)
|journal=
when using {{
cite journal}}
– that is, after all, the purpose of the template.{{
cite data}}
){{
cite paper}}
and {{
cite document}}
transclusions. From that small sample, it seems to me that most could be (should be) rewritten to use a more appropriate template; obvious choices for the citations that I inspected were: {{
cite arxiv}}
, {{
cite book}}
, {{
cite citeseerx}}
, {{
cite conference}}
, {{
cite journal}}
, {{
cite thesis}}
, {{
cite web}}
. Template redirects do not act any differently from the template that they alias; editors should not expect different action simply because of a redirect's name. Perhaps this exercise will show that we need separate {{cite paper}}
and {{cite document}}
templates.|journal=
mandatory? —
David Eppstein (
talk) 22:08, 19 July 2019 (UTC){{
cite journal}}
is a periodical template – always has been. Individual papers and documents are not periodicals. We already have some templates that are suitable for citing preprints of individual papers so it isn't much of a stretch to imagine that we should also have templates specifically for citing individual papers and documents – the {{cite paper}}
redirect might be usurped for that purpose and the {{cite document}}
redirect pointed at {{cite paper}}
instead of {{cite journal}}
.suspect that requiring to provide a journal name is not the easiest or most efficient way toensure that journal cites name the journal. State the better method; don't just leave us hanging ...
|journal=
mandatory. Likely first as a maintenance category to see how bad things are have a preliminary round of cleanup through citation bot and the like.
Headbomb {
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{{
cite journal}}
because there likely to be sources that can use {{cite journal}}
that lived and died before persistent identifiers were invented. Nor do I think that a persistent-identifier-requirement is a solution to your research data concern.{{
cite paper}}
template to replace the redirect to {{cite journal}}
would handle individually published papers that do not belong to some kind of "journal". This template can use but must not require persistent identifiers, does not allow
|journal=
or aliases, gets the metadata right. {{cite paper}}
should require |publisher=
because
WP:V. These same might apply to a {{
cite data}}
template were we to decide that citing research data is something that cs1|2 should support.3000 pages makes it very hard to check what's backlogged vs what's newly broken. Breaking down by months would make it easier to manage. Headbomb { t · c · p · b} 07:19, 20 July 2019 (UTC)
|doi-broken=
{{cite journal/new |title=Title |journal=Journal |doi=10.1212/something |doi-broken=January 2019}}
Harking back to this discussion, I found this:
{{Cite journal|last=Balding|first=Christopher|last2=Clarke|first2=Donald|date=17 April 2019|title=WHO OWNS HUAWEI?|url=https://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=3372669|journal=SSRN|volume=|page=4|pages=15|via=SSRN}}
{{
cite journal}}
: More than one of |pages=
and |page=
specified (
help)and that lead me to create {{
cite ssrn/new}}
to become {{
cite ssrn}}
after the next module update:
{{cite ssrn/new |last=Balding |first=Christopher |last2=Clarke |first2=Donald |date=17 April 2019 |title=Who Owns Huawei? |ssrn=3372669 |page=4}}
Like {{
cite arxiv}}
, {{
cite bioRxiv}}
, and {{
cite citeseerx}}
, this template accepts only a limited subset of the cs1|2 parameters.
Keep? Discard?
Needs documentation which I leave to someone else.
I will note that {{
cite citeseerx}}
still needs documentation ...
— Trappist the monk ( talk) 23:56, 18 July 2019 (UTC)
{{cite preprint|mode=arxiv}}
or something. But that might be more complex than individual templates.
Headbomb {
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b} 00:57, 19 July 2019 (UTC)
rft.jtitle
). That suggests that only one of |arxiv=
(or |eprint=
), |biorxiv=
, |citeseerx=
, or |ssrn=
would be allowed in any one instance of {{
cite preprint}}
. That means that the preprint parameters would all be pseudo-aliases of each other for the purpose of duplication detection (and error messaging) but as individual parameters for the purpose of rendering the proper link.I just ran across this:
{{Cite arXiv|url=https://papers.nips.cc/paper/5346-sequence-to-sequence-learning-with-neural-networks.pdf|title=Sequence to sequence learning with neural networks|last=Sutskever|first=I.|last2=Vinyals|first2=O.|date=2014|website=|publisher=NIPS'2014|access-date=|last3=Le|first3=Q. V.|eprint=1409.3215|class=cs.CL}}
{{
cite arXiv}}
: Cite has empty unknown parameters: |access-date=
and |website=
(
help); Unknown parameter |publisher=
ignored (
help)This template makes me wonder if supporting |url=
in {{
cite arxiv}}
and the other preprint templates is the correct thing. For this particular example, I would say no. In this case, the paper was presented at the Twenty-eighth Conference on Neural Information Processing Systems (
NIPS 2014 video of the talk linked from
the conference schedule). So, this template is one that is better rewritten to use {{
cite conference}}
(which I will do).
Is there any reason that the identifier-based preprint templates need |url=
?
— Trappist the monk ( talk) 14:25, 21 July 2019 (UTC)
As it is, the cite book template puts the surname before the first name (e.g. "Smith, John"). I'd like someone to add a option that will force the template to order it first then last (ie "John Smith"). The only way to do this currently is to use the author= parameter, but then this causes problems with the ref= parameter and other things. Could somebody do this for me? Something like a parameter first-last-name=true. Kurzon ( talk) 17:37, 15 June 2019 (UTC)
|af=
parameter, as I proposed it in 2018.
Headbomb {
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|author=
.
Kurzon (
talk) 11:54, 18 June 2019 (UTC)
{{
cs1-name-format|Vancouver}}
or similar, and not have to micromanage and review every citation after bots, tools, and editors get involved.
Headbomb {
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p ·
b} 16:28, 19 June 2019 (UTC)
|surname=
, which is a synonym for |last=
. As long as we invert "last" name everything works out. If we don't invert (perhaps for co-authors), well, that would be ambiguous. The problem with using |author=
or |coauthor=
for this is we have no indication of which order the names are in. ♦
J. Johnson (JJ) (
talk) 23:10, 18 June 2019 (UTC)Da; there is no need for any kind of inversion. [That came in with my edit, but it's not my comment. ♦
J. Johnson (JJ) (
talk) 20:31, 19 June 2019 (UTC)]
Ideally, at least for lists of citations in alphabetical order, a person from a culture where the given name is written first in running text would be "Washington, George" while a person from a culture where the surname is written first in written first would be "Mao Zedong". To achieve this ideal, it would be necessary to individually mark each name to show which convention applies, or at least, mark those that don't follow the default for an English-language publication, "Washington, George". Jc3s5h ( talk) 17:38, 19 June 2019 (UTC)
I read the rules and Wikipedia does not have a fixed citation style. The citation templates are optional, not mandatory. I could ignore them to do what I want. Kurzon ( talk) 07:49, 20 June 2019 (UTC)
|author=
instead off |last=
/|first=
.
Headbomb {
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b} 15:26, 20 June 2019 (UTC)|authors=
instead of first/last is deprecable. Yes, the documentation suggests using it, but that was never vetted, and one of these days (soon?) ought to be re-visited.small variation" we ought not to accommodate. I don't believe that is common practice here, and in bibliographies "last, first" is practically required. ♦ J. Johnson (JJ) ( talk) 19:50, 20 June 2019 (UTC)
|authorn=
has to be used over |lastn=
/|firstn=
.
Headbomb {
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|author=
(and I have seen plenty of that) corrupts the metadata. But where has anyone rejected use of templates because they wanted to collate by personal name? This warrants a separate, deeper discussion. ♦
J. Johnson (JJ) (
talk) 21:00, 26 June 2019 (UTC)WP:CITESTYLE says there is no hard rule for name order. Kurzon ( talk) 09:57, 21 June 2019 (UTC)
|author=
or |authors=
could or should be deprecated. These parameters are necessary, to handle institutional authors (where the author of record is a committee or some such), and probably also necessary in some unusual circumstances to handle authors who are people but who do not have names that fit the first/last paradigm (
the obligatory link). Perhaps they could be deprecated for instances where the author is a conventionally-named person or group of people but I don't see how that could be enforced. —
David Eppstein (
talk) 22:13, 19 July 2019 (UTC)
|authors=
(plural) that is discouraged (it isn't really deprecated though I think that sometime in future it should be). This parameter is discouraged because of its free-form nature. It allows any number of names, usually human, but because human names are, per your obligatory link, so damn confounding, the module does not attempt to add the content of |authors=
(plural) to the citation's metadata.Wikipedia does not have a single house style". It also says ( here): "
The full citations are listed in alphabetical order, according to the authors' surnames, at the end of the article in a "References" section." Also ( here, underlining added): "
General references are usually listed at the end of the article in a "References" section, and are usually sorted by the last name of the author or the editor." As to alternative sorting, I am not aware of any instances, in or out of WP, of sorting by first (personal) names.
Editors interested in citation templates might want to chime in: Wikipedia:Bots/Requests for approval/OAbot 3. − Pintoch ( talk) 15:31, 25 July 2019 (UTC)
I suggest enabling this because it is intuitive if one has url and archive-url to have chapter-trans-title beside trans-title for title and chapter params respectivelly. -- Obsuser ( talk) 16:44, 26 July 2019 (UTC)
|trans-chapter=
already exists:
{{cite book |chapter=Non-English chapter title |trans-chapter=Translated chapter title |title=Non-English title |trans-title=Translated title |chapter-url=//example.com |archive-url=//archove.org |archive-date=2019-07-26}}
|trans-chapter=
is documented and has been for a long time; see
Template:Cite book § Title.I'm working on a draft that is mainly cited to
EBSCOHost databases because I can. For most sources, the URL I'm using is just the direct link to the EBSCOHost data from my institution. However, for one I have a better (more accessible) link and decided to have mercy on our poor readers and included it. However, I am still going to include an EBSCHost link because I want to and because I can
. I just don't know how to mark the link as I would |url-access=subscription
. Was the exclusion of a |id-access=
intentional? It would seem that portions of the module code use it as a keyword (
Module:Citation/CS1/Configuration defines it, and it is references in
Module:Citation/CS1/Identifiers), but that essentially refers to all the |doi-access=
-like parameters if I understand things right. Am I supposed to use a seperate template for this? Help would be nice here. This page isn't in my watchlist, so a ping is appreciated. BTW, the real reason I use EBSCOHost is because that is just what I have through school. Since I'm already using it, I want as many of my citations to be as uniform as possible here. Regards, (
edit conflict) –
MJL
‐Talk‐
☖ 22:43, 27 July 2019 (UTC)
|id-access=
is not the same as ['id-access']
The former is a non-existent template parameter while the latter is Lua table key.|id=
can hold anything it is not constrained to be an external link. It is just some sort of free-form something tacked on at the end of the named-identifiers list. I don't recall discussion about |id=
during the access icon discussions. I suppose that we could add support for |id-access=free
IFF |id=[<url> label]
; only free
because |id=
is an identifier parameter.The following cite generates a URL error. After reading the "help" page, I think it is caused by the "x". But I did not see a way to fix it:
{{Cite news|url=https://blog.x.company/a-peek-inside-the-moonshot-factory-operating-manual-f5c33c9ab4d7|title=A Peek Inside the Moonshot Factory Operating Manual|author=Astro Teller|date=2016-07-23|work=The Team at X|access-date=2018-04-24}}
{{Cite news/new|url=https://blog.x.company/a-peek-inside-the-moonshot-factory-operating-manual-f5c33c9ab4d7|title=A Peek Inside the Moonshot Factory Operating Manual|author=Astro Teller|date=2016-07-23|work=The Team at X|access-date=2018-04-24}}
Is there any way to cite a specific sense of an entry? I'm hoping for something like how the Wiktionary template ( wikt:Template:R:OED_Online#Examples) has a `pos` (part of speech) parameter that allows you to cite a specific sense in a dictionary entry.
|at=
can be used for this purpose. --
Izno (
talk) 22:39, 31 July 2019 (UTC)According to the docs, title accepts wikitext is title-link is not set. However, the code {{cite journal | author =Tiffeneau Marc| year=1921 | title = L'oeuvre commune de [[Charles Frederic Gerhardt|Gerhardt]] et de Wurtz | journal=Revue scientifique }} is mistakenly rendered with the title Gerhardt. This is because is_wikilink, which is called from kern_quotes ignores text before and after the wikilink. I was wondering if this is intentional or a bug?-- Strainu ( talk) 18:12, 30 July 2019 (UTC)
|author=
?). If Gerhardt is important enough to be wikilinked, then a wikilink from the article's prose is a much better place for that link.{{cite journal | author =Tiffeneau Marc| year=1921 | title = L'oeuvre commune de [[Charles Frederic Gerhardt|Gerhardt]] et de Wurtz | journal=Revue scientifique }}
{{cite journal | author =Tiffeneau Marc| year=1921 | title = L'oeuvre commune de [[Charles Frederic Gerhardt]] et de Wurtz | journal=Revue scientifique }}
kern_quotes()
correctly handles kerning when |title=
holds a value that is one of these forms:
|title='plain text'
→ "'plain text'". Journal.|title='[[en.wiki article title]]'
→ "'
en.wiki article title'". Journal.|title='[[en.wiki article title|label]]'
→ "'
label'". Journal.|title=[[en.wiki article title|'label']]
→ "
'label'". Journal.|title='plain text [[en.wiki article title]]'
→ "'plain text
en.wiki article title'". Journal.|title='[[en.wiki article title]] plain text'
→ "'
en.wiki article title plain text'". Journal.|title='plain text [[en.wiki article title]] plain text'
→ "'plain text
en.wiki article title plain text'". Journal.|title='plain text [[en.wiki article title|label]] plain text'
→ "'plain text
label plain text'". Journal.|chapter=
(and aliases)? in |title=
for the periodical templates ({{
cite journal}}
, {{
cite magazine}}
, {{
cite news}}
, {{
cite web}}
)?I have just recently encountered cites with the "unsupported parameter" |developer=
. Is there some discussion about adding this parameter? (I hope not) --
User-duck (
talk) 06:34, 4 August 2019 (UTC)
Seems to be related to: Replaced Infobox online music service with Infobox online service. -- User-duck ( talk) 07:27, 4 August 2019 (UTC)
{{|cite software}}
. With a "developer" parameter.
98.0.145.210 (
talk) 12:26, 4 August 2019 (UTC)|developer=
, but I do not think any other templates employ it. --
Izno (
talk) 14:56, 4 August 2019 (UTC)I just found about 170 incorrect parsing of the et al in an author list (possibly by a script). if I have time, I may try to fix some of these, but it would be good to have some tracking to assist (if possible). thank you. Frietjes ( talk) 18:48, 9 August 2019 (UTC)
|last=al.
. That one seems harder to track, but the your pattern might be reasonably possible. (Though, otoh, maybe just in |first=
; |author=
is used to hold pseudonyms, which sometimes include brackets.) --
Izno (
talk) 05:56, 10 August 2019 (UTC)All 10.5555 DOIs are test DOIs and will never resolve. There should be an error thrown for those. Headbomb { t · c · p · b} 18:50, 9 August 2019 (UTC)
{{cite journal/new |title=Philippi, Rudolph Amandus (Rodolfo Amando) (1808-1904) |url=https://plants.jstor.org/stable/10.5555/al.ap.person.bm000006508 |website=JSTOR Plants |accessdate=9 August 2018 |language=en |doi=10.5555/al.ap.person.bm000006508 |doi-broken-date=2019-08-08 }}
{{
cite journal}}
: Check |doi=
value (
help)CS1 maint: DOI inactive as of August 2019 (
link)*{{cite journal |title=Philippi, Rudolph Amandus (Rodolfo Amando) (1808-1904) |url=https://plants.jstor.org/stable/10.5555/al.ap.person.bm000006508 |website=JSTOR Plants |accessdate=9 August 2018 |language=en |doi=10.5555/al.ap.person.bm000006508 |doi-broken-date=2019-08-08 }} *{{cite journal |title=Philippi, Rudolph Amandus (Rodolfo Amando) (1808-1904) |url=https://plants.jstor.org/stable/10.5555/al.ap.person.bm000006508 |website=JSTOR Plants |accessdate=9 August 2018 |language=en|doi-broken-date=2019-08-08 }}
gives
{{
cite journal}}
: Check |doi=
value (
help)CS1 maint: DOI inactive as of August 2019 (
link){{
cite journal}}
: |doi-broken-date=
requires |doi=
(
help)The second case should be in a tracking category so that |doi-broken-date
can be removed.
Headbomb {
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{{cite journal/new |title=Philippi, Rudolph Amandus (Rodolfo Amando) (1808-1904) |url=https://plants.jstor.org/stable/10.5555/al.ap.person.bm000006508 |website=JSTOR Plants |accessdate=9 August 2018 |language=en|doi-broken-date=2019-08-08 }}
{{
cite journal}}
: |doi-broken-date=
requires |doi=
(
help)Also
{{cite book/new|last=Frontani|first=Michael|chapter=The Solo Years|editor-last=Womack|editor-first=Kenneth|year=2009|title=The Cambridge Companion to the Beatles|location=Cambridge, UK|publisher=Cambridge University Press|isbn=978-0-521-68976-2|ref=harv}}
throws a weird error
{{
cite book}}
: Invalid |ref=harv
(
help)As do a lot of things in #Partial links in title. Headbomb { t · c · p · b} 12:11, 10 August 2019 (UTC)
I find myself here from {{
Cite book}}
's talk; Using both |chapter=
and |contributor*=
throws an error. Am I doing something wrong, or more importantly, how do I fix this?
{{Cite book |title=Buffy Sainte-Marie: The Authorized Biography |chapter=Better to find out for yourself |first=Andrea |last=Warner |contributor-first=Joni |contributor-last=Mitchell |contributor-link=Joni Mitchell |contribution=foreword |publisher=[[Greystone Books]] |year=2018 |isbn=9781771643597 |url=https://books.google.co.uk/books?id=m2JmDwAAQBAJ&q=The+song+of+the+French+partisan#v=snippet&q=The%20song%20of%20the%20French%20partisan&f=false}}
{{
cite book}}
: |contributor=
requires |contribution=
(
help); More than one of |contribution=
and |chapter=
specified (
help){{Cite book |title=Buffy Sainte-Marie: The Authorized Biography | first=Andrea |last=Warner |contributor-first=Joni |contributor-last=Mitchell |contributor-link=Joni Mitchell |contribution=foreword |publisher=[[Greystone Books]] |year=2018 |isbn=9781771643597 |url=https://books.google.co.uk/books?id=m2JmDwAAQBAJ&q=The+song+of+the+French+partisan#v=snippet&q=The%20song%20of%20the%20French%20partisan&f=false}}
{{Cite book |title=Buffy Sainte-Marie: The Authorized Biography |chapter=Better to find out for yourself |first=Andrea |last=Warner |publisher=[[Greystone Books]] |year=2018 |isbn=9781771643597 |url=https://books.google.co.uk/books?id=m2JmDwAAQBAJ&q=The+song+of+the+French+partisan#v=snippet&q=The%20song%20of%20the%20French%20partisan&f=false}}
Fred Gandt ·
talk ·
contribs
06:11, 12 August 2019 (UTC)
Fred Gandt ·
talk ·
contribs
18:09, 12 August 2019 (UTC)
|contributor=
and |chapter=
are not aliases of each other. However, |contribution=
and |chapter=
are aliases.|url=
from your examples takes readers to, for lack of a better term, a dab page at books.google.com. Neither of the two offerings there are part of Mitchell's foreword. Since it would appear that you are not citing Mitchell's foreword, she and the foreword should not be part of the citation. The error message is correct.
Fred Gandt ·
talk ·
contribs
18:46, 12 August 2019 (UTC)I have a URL that is throwing an error, "https://нэб.рф/catalog/000200_000018_RU_NLR_DIGIT_11048/viewer". The URL works (takes one to the desired location on the web), but it throws an error, and coming here I see "The URL field is checked to ensure that it contains only Latin characters..."
So after looking it up, I substited the "encoded" version, which is ""%D0%BD%D1%8D%D0%B1.%D1%80%D1%84", in place of the Cyrillic characters "нэб.рф", but it still throws an error, altho this version also works.
So my questions are: 1) Why throw an error when it works? 2) What's the solution?
(As with all templates, I wish there was a "don't check, I know what I'm doing" field, but there isn't AFAIK.) Herostratus ( talk) 14:59, 12 August 2019 (UTC)
Pages are displayed ":57–59", but the explanation says they are displayed "pp. 57–59". Am I doing something wrong? Template:Cite magazine displays pages "pp. 57–59". Vzeebjtf ( talk) 22:20, 12 August 2019 (UTC)
{{
cite journal}}
in which case |pages=57–59
displaying as ":57–59" is correct. Similarly, using {{
cite magazine}}
with the same |pages=57–59
displaying as "pp. 57–59" is also correct. Give an example of what you are doing.—which does not seem to be accurate. Perhaps it should be corrected? Vzeebjtf ( talk) 23:42, 12 August 2019 (UTC)page: The number of a single page in the source that supports the content. Use either |page= or |pages=, but not both. Displays preceded by p. unless |nopp=y or work (or an alias) is defined.
This
edit request to
Template:Cite book has been answered. Set the |answered= or |ans= parameter to no to reactivate your request. |
Under
Template:Cite book § In-source locations, in the examples for use of the |at=
parameter, please add box and table (e.g. "Box 8.1" and "Table 8.1" on page 195 of
ACSM's Guidelines for Exercise Testing and Prescription). Thank you.
Sangdeboeuf (
talk) 01:05, 19 August 2019 (UTC)
I searched the archives but haven't seen this mentioned. The bibcode check assumes that the JJJJJ will only have letter, ampersand, or dot, but 'E3S Web of Conferences' = E3SWC breaks the standard and throws an invalid bibcode error (see Food_safety_incidents_in_China); Can the templates be updates to validate this? Quuux ( talk) 01:03, 23 August 2019 (UTC)
fixed in the sandbox:
Wikitext | {{cite news
|
---|---|
Live | Hadiyanto, Hadiyanto (2018). "Ozone Application for Tofu Waste Water Treatment and Its Utilisation for Growth Medium of Microalgae Spirulina sp". E3S Web of Conferences. Vol. 31. p. 03002. Bibcode: 2018E3SWC..3103002H. doi: 10.1051/e3sconf/20183103002. |
Sandbox | Hadiyanto, Hadiyanto (2018). "Ozone Application for Tofu Waste Water Treatment and Its Utilisation for Growth Medium of Microalgae Spirulina sp". E3S Web of Conferences. Vol. 31. p. 03002. Bibcode: 2018E3SWC..3103002H. doi: 10.1051/e3sconf/20183103002. |
— Trappist the monk ( talk) 10:48, 23 August 2019 (UTC)
I wanted to ask which is preferred, I've noticed =work being changed to =website by some users. Govvy ( talk) 16:18, 24 August 2019 (UTC)
|work=
is an alias of |website=
; there is no reason to change it. I don’t think one is preferred over the other.
Umimmak (
talk) 17:06, 24 August 2019 (UTC)This is an archive of past discussions. Do not edit the contents of this page. If you wish to start a new discussion or revive an old one, please do so on the current talk page. |
Archive 55 | Archive 56 | Archive 57 | Archive 58 | Archive 59 | Archive 60 | → | Archive 65 |
The subscription=yes was deprecated this year. Maybe it's only me, but I don't get how the five (?) new …-access=… parameters are supposed to work. The general situation is a site using JavaScript to detect an AdBlock and not working at all, if JavaScript is disabled. What is this, …-access=limited or …-access=subscription?
Sometimes I'm too lazy to disallow JS, and get either the complete page with some anti-AdBlock-Ad, a part of the page, or nothing. If I only wanted to verify a reference a part can be already good enough, but maybe a critical BLP detail is not covered in the visible part. In that case I added subscription=yes and ignored the issue (if possible per
BLP policy, no wild and wonderful statements.)
Today I tested article-url-access=limited,
epic
fail, I got confusing error messages about a chapter-url-access=…, and I have no clue what this is:
It is certainly not mentioned on
Help:Citation Style 1, it is not explained on
Template:Cite web/doc, and the cross-namespace redirection of
Template talk:Cite web to
Help talk:Citation Style 1 used to be a speedy deletion reason about 12 years ago. @
Trappist the monk: please help.
–
84.46.53.102 (
talk) 03:42, 23 June 2019 (UTC)
If the restriction applies to an identifier, these parameters should be omitted.Since the docs say
citations within a given article should follow a consistent style, it looks like the access icons need to be suppressed throughout the article. Hawkeye7 (discuss) 05:41, 23 June 2019 (UTC)
epic fail. I do see that this edit caused an error message.
|article-url-access=
is an alias of |chapter-url-access=
in the same way that |article-url=
is an alias of |chapter-url=
. That error message occurs because there is no |article-url=
in the citation template, which, in any case, is not supported by {{
cite web}}
.{{cite web/new|url=https://www.smdailyjournal.com/opinion/columnists/young-influencers/article_f5ab5274-b886-11e8-91c4-7375caf77776.html|title=Young influencers|first=Brooke|last=Hanshaw|date=September 15, 2018|website=SMDailyJournal.com|article-url-access=limited}}
{{
cite web}}
: |article-url-access=
requires |article-url=
(
help)Here's my problem:
{{cite journal |last=Lytton |first=Henry D. |title=Bombing Policy in the Rome and Pre-Normandy Invasion Aerial Campaigns of World War II: Bridge-Bombing Strategy Vindicated - and Railyard-Bombing Strategy Invalidated |journal=Military Affairs |url=https://search.proquest.com/docview/1296644342 |url-access=subscription |issn=0026-3931 |volume=47 |issue=2 |pp=53–60 |date=1 April 1983 |via=[[ProQuest]]}}
{{
ProQuest}}
in its present form doesn't bring anything to the table. It might if it were rewritten to take advantage of features available in {{
Catalog lookup link}}
– notably |url-accessn=
. But, with only one identifier, not needed here.As a follow up on Help talk:Citation Style 1/Archive 36#Zbl error checking and Help talk:Citation Style 1/Archive 39#8 digit ZBL, the Zbl error checking should allow for all numeric (8 digit specifically) possibilities, as Zbl can have temporary assignments, such as Zbl 07013361 and Zbl 06949999 found in Vladimir Mazya, or Zbl 06684722 found in Lou van den Dries.
Those could be put in a Category:CS1 maintenance: Temporary Zbl or similar. Headbomb { t · c · p · b} 17:51, 24 June 2019 (UTC)
|zbl=Zbl 1260.11001
. When found, the prefix is stripped and the article added to an undefined category. Because undefined, if ever a zbl had the prefix we would have gotten a glaring red script error. That we haven't (or that no one has complained), perhaps this check is unnecessary. For the moment the check remains in place:
{{cite journal/new |title=Title |journal=Journal |zbl=Zbl 1260.11001}}
{{
cite journal}}
: Check |zbl=
value (
help){{cite journal/new |title=Title |journal=Journal |zbl=1260.11001}}
{{cite journal/new |title=Title |journal=Journal |zbl=06066616}}
{{
cite journal}}
: CS1 maint: Zbl (
link){{cite journal/new |title=Title |journal=Journal |zbl=6066616}}
{{
cite journal}}
: Check |zbl=
value (
help){{cite journal/new |title=Title |journal=Journal |zbl=Zbl 1260.11001}}
... I don't like that. The error should be pointed out. This isn't like in the case of the
PMCID where the 'pmc' is actually part of the identifier.
Headbomb {
t ·
c ·
p ·
b} 15:46, 25 June 2019 (UTC)
Template:Cs1 function has been nominated for deletion. You are invited to comment on the discussion at the template's entry on the Templates for discussion page. – Finnusertop ( talk ⋅ contribs) 19:08, 25 June 2019 (UTC)
For stylistic reasons, the title in
{{
citation}}
: CS1 maint: unflagged free DOI (
link)needs suppressing. However, when you set |title=none
, you get
{{
citation}}
: |url=
missing title (
help)CS1 maint: unflagged free DOI (
link) CS1 maint: untitled periodical (
link)I believe in this case, we should have something like
or even something like
or
instead. Headbomb { t · c · p · b} 22:52, 6 June 2019 (UTC)
{{citation |last=Bach |first=Eric |pages=145–146 |journal=Discrete Dynamics in Nature and Society |volume=6 |issue=2 |year=2001 |doi=10.1155/S1026022601000152 |doi-access=free |title=none}}
{{
citation}}
: CS1 maint: untitled periodical (
link)<ref>...</ref>
tag.https://
links above cause my current-version Chrome browser complain about security certificate mismatch. The link at the doi-linked publisher's page is an http://...
url.{{
cite journal}}
: |url=
missing title (
help)CS1 maint: untitled periodical (
link)Now that a bot is changing field names, a concerning issue arises if "website=" can take no wiki-markup. "Website=" automatically italicizes anything in the field. Yet many things, like the names of TV networks (ABC, CNN) and non-periodical sites like Rotten Tomatoes and AllMusic, are not italicized, and having them appear non-italicized in text and italicized in References is inconsistent and contrary to most standard footnoting style. I would note the MOS indicates that non-periodical websites are not italicized and that only this template forces that. What can we do to address this? -- Tenebrae ( talk) 21:00, 27 June 2019 (UTC)
The bot is doing the right thing. When I cite something I read on https://www.nbc.com, I am not citing the network because the network is on television. I am citing the website which is a periodical and just so happens to share a name with the network. The publisher is " NBCUniversal". The "website=" is the proper parameter to use in this example. If you believe "website=" should not be italicized, let's have that discussion. Or advocate for another parameter for non-periodical websites (but I don't see why they should be treated differently. They are a body of work and should be italicized). Misusing "publisher=" is not a solution no matter how long that has been the status quo. Rotten Tomatoes is published by Fandango. AllMusic is published by RhythmOne. --- Coffeeand crumbs 04:24, 28 June 2019 (UTC)
I don't know how to do this myself, but would Wikipedia and/or fellow Wikipedians please consider how to add both "Introduction" and "Introduction-first"/"Introduction-last" to the book citation template? Ditto for Prologue, Foreword, Epilogue, Afterword? I ask because often one or more experts will kindly not edit a famous book but will add expert commentary before and/or after a book's text. Thank you Aboudaqn ( talk) 18:28, 29 June 2019 (UTC)
{{
cite book}}
supports |contribution=
and |contributor=
(and firt/last variants):
{{cite book}}
(or book cites using {{
citation}}
).|chapter=
or |contribution=
.Way back at this discussion →
Help talk:Citation Style 1/Archive 4#Looking for trans title for {{cite encyclopedia}}, I wrote code in
Module:Citation/CS1 that remaps the various |title=
, |article=
(or alias), and |encyclopedia=
parameters of {{
cite encyclopedia}}
and {{
citation}}
templates according to whichever combination of parameters is present. One of those remappings is |encyclopedia=
to |title=
when |title=
and |article=
are both missing / empty. What that does is this:
{{cite encyclopedia |encyclopedia=Encyclopedia}}
→ Encyclopedia. {{
cite encyclopedia}}
: Missing or empty |title=
(
help){{citation |encyclopedia=Encyclopedia}}
→ Encyclopedia {{
citation}}
: Missing or empty |title=
(
help)I don't know what I was thinking. cs1|2 citations require titles.
Internally, Module:Citation/CS1 copies the value assigned to |encyclopedia=
into a meta-parameter Periodical
. When there is no |title=
and no |article=
, then the module copies the content of Periodical
to the title meta-parameter Title
and resets Periodical
to an empty string. This satisfies the requirement for a cs1|2 title. But should it?
I discovered this because I've been working on cleaning up various cs1 wrapper templates that link to wikisource ({{
cite EB1911}}
, {{
cite Catholic Encyclopedia}}
, etc). Those templates force a title when |wstitle=
and |title=
are missing or empty:
<sup>[[Wikisource:1911 Encyclopædia Britannica|<span style="color:red">article name needed</span>]]</sup>
Beyond the fact that there is no title, the problem with this way of dealing with the missing title is that the label portion of that wikilink, the part that goes into the citation's metadata, has html markup which it should not. So, I have tweaked the module to be more like other templates where |title=
is missing or empty:
Wikitext | {{cite encyclopedia
|
---|---|
Live | Encyclopedia. {{
cite encyclopedia}} : Missing or empty |title= (
help)
|
Sandbox | Encyclopedia. {{
cite encyclopedia}} : Missing or empty |title= (
help)
|
Wikitext | {{cite encyclopedia
|
---|---|
Live | "Article". Encyclopedia. |
Sandbox | "Article". Encyclopedia. |
Wikitext | {{cite encyclopedia
|
---|---|
Live | "Article". Title. |
Sandbox | "Article". Title. |
Wikitext | {{citation
|
---|---|
Live | Encyclopedia {{
citation}} : Missing or empty |title= (
help)
|
Sandbox | Encyclopedia {{
citation}} : Missing or empty |title= (
help)
|
Wikitext | {{citation
|
---|---|
Live | "Article", Encyclopedia |
Sandbox | "Article", Encyclopedia |
— Trappist the monk ( talk) 15:41, 28 June 2019 (UTC)
|title=
as an alias of the "work" (the book). It would make more sense to introduce (in both {{cite book}} and {{cite encyclopedia}}) a parameter |book=
and to alias it with |title=
rather than increasing the confusion. Edited collections are also books, in print or otherwise.
98.0.246.242 (
talk) 01:55, 29 June 2019 (UTC)
{{
cite encyclopedia}}
citation template is missing an article title whether that be |title=
or any of the |article=
aliases. Restructuring the existing template suite to be more semantically correct may be something that we want to do but that is a topic for another time and place.{{
cite encyclopedia}}
: Missing or empty |title=
(
help)
{{
harvc}}
){{cite encyclopedia/new |editor1-last=Dear |editor1-first=I. C. B.|editor2-last=Foot |editor2-first=M. R. D. |title=The Oxford Companion to World War II |year=1995 |publisher=Oxford University Press |isbn=0-19-866225-4}}
{{
cite encyclopedia}}
is mostly the same as {{
cite book}}
in both its rendering and its metadata.|title=
an alias for "work" (|encyclopedia=
) in {{cite encyclopedia}} now?
65.88.88.75 (
talk) 15:22, 29 June 2019 (UTC)
{{
cite encyclopedia}}
, it is different. In the
discussion I mentioned, I discuss how
Module:Citation/CS1 remaps the various parameters. When |title=
is empty or omitted, |encyclopedia=
is promoted to |title=
so that the citation's metadata will have that meaningful information (&rft.btitle=
). Given |title=
alone, nothing promotes and we have good metadata. |encyclopedia=
is not an alias of |title=
nor is |title=
an alias of |article=
though in both cases the former can be promoted to the latter under appropriate conditions.Hello, I have located around 200 |author=
fields that contain a date of some form prefixed by "Published". Would be good if someone could move the date detail to the |date=
field, assuming the field is blank, formatting it appropriately. If the |date=
matches the date in the |author=
field then ignore it. In either case just blank the |author=
field. Hopefully that should just leave a few cases to handle manually where the date from the |author=
field does not match the |date=
field.
Keith D (
talk) 19:59, 29 June 2019 (UTC)
The cite journal template needs to be updated. I couldn't find which particular page codes for the bibcode= parameter in cite journal, so sorry if this is the wrong talk page. See my fix of the direct bibcode template for what needs doing. For example,
The fix will affect a huge amount of pages. Double-check and triple-check before hitting "Publish changes"...! Boud ( talk) 01:55, 30 June 2019 (UTC)
Please update the URL for bibcode=..., for example bibcode=1974AJ.....79..819H form http://adsabs.harvard.edu/abs/1974AJ.....79..819H to https://ui.adsabs.harvard.edu/abs/1974AJ.....79..819H . ADS Classic is now deprecated. It will be completely retired in October 2019. Read here: https://adsabs.github.io/blog/transition-reminder https://adsabs.github.io/blog/ave-atque-vale — Preceding unsigned comment added by Infin2694529 ( talk • contribs) 19:30, 25 June 2019 (UTC)
For example, no author name ends with a ,
or ;
or :
. We could have a check for
|lastn=
/|firstn=
/|authorn=
/|collaboration=
to make sure they don't end with such a comma, colon, or semi-colon, giving things like
{{
cite journal}}
: CS1 maint: extra punctuation (
link)Likewise for a slew of parameters, which are basically every parameter except
|url=
|article-url=
|chapter-url=
|contribution-url=
|arxiv=
) which have their own, more-stringent, checks.I also propose they are initially made as maintenance categories so they don't get thrown as big red errors to readers while kinks get worked out, and (possibly) corner cases identified.
The only parameters I see this as potentially problematic is |chapter=
/|title=
/|quote=
(for technical documentation, like |title=Reasons not to use & over &
).
Headbomb { t · c · p · b} 21:19, 25 June 2019 (UTC)
|chapter=Chapter 1:
really should be |chapter=Chapter 1: Introduction
. Or |title=A History of the World:
is really |title=A History of the World: the Last Five Years
. The seemingly extraneous terminal character is actually a signal, or at least a clue, that something else is missing. Looking at this a minor cleanup of extraneous characters removes those clues. If they were to be the basis of a maintenance category there should be an instruction to first check the source to if the chapter/title/whatever needs to be completed. ♦
J. Johnson (JJ) (
talk) 19:52, 27 June 2019 (UTC)
|chapter=Chapter 1
is still correct and better |chapter=Chapter 1:
, likewise for |title=A History of the World
. But that's the sort of thing we'd find out through maintenance categories. This is also why |chapter=
/|title=
are also a bit different from |pages=
, where a |pages=32:
is clearly an error.
Headbomb {
t ·
c ·
p ·
b} 20:04, 27 June 2019 (UTC)|title=
The First Three Minutes
rather than |title=The First Three Minutes: A Modern View of the Origin of the Universe
. Either way, the maintenance category would be appropriate.
Headbomb {
t ·
c ·
p ·
b} 00:49, 28 June 2019 (UTC){{cite book/new |title=Title:}}
→ Title:.{{cite book/new |title=Title |url=//example.com;}}
→
Title. {{
cite book}}
: Check |url=
value (
help){{cite book/new |title=Title |agency=Agency,}}
→ Title. {{
cite book}}
: Unknown parameter |agency=
ignored (
help)CS1 maint: extra punctuation (
link){{cite book/new |title=Title |quote=quote,}}
→ Title. quote,
{{cite book/new |title=Title |postscript=;}}
→ Title; 'BookTitle', 'Chapter', 'ScriptChapter', 'ScriptTitle', 'Title', 'TransChapter', 'Transcript', 'TransMap', 'TransTitle',
'PostScript', 'Quote',
'ArchiveURL', 'ChapterURL', 'ConferenceURL', 'LayURL', 'MapURL', 'TranscriptURL', 'URL'
[,;:]
then it adds the article to
Category:CS1 maint: extra punctuation.|delimiter=
or |seperator=
or something that should be added to the excepted parameters?
Headbomb {
t ·
c ·
p ·
b} 17:44, 29 June 2019 (UTC)
|author-name-separator=
, |author-separator=
, |editor-name-separator=
, |editor-separator=
, |name-separator=
, and |separator=
. Those all went away when we adopted |mode=
.Also, I think it's worth thinking about expanding the set to other characters e.g., , ; : & ( ^ [ <
... They don't all have to be done right away, but it's something to think about. It would be good to know what the explicit list of parameters that would have this check so we can see if there are corner cases (e.g. final - in author is an issue, but a final - in |pages=
might not be (e.g. |pages=33-
), or have a customized list of checks, e.g. pseudocode
finalcheck , = allowed {quote, url} . = disallowed {last, editor-last, year, date, volume, issue, pages, page, at, ...} & = disallowed {all} ; = allowed {chapter, title, quote, ...} $ = allowed {chapter, title, quote, ...}
Headbomb { t · c · p · b} 17:59, 29 June 2019 (UTC)
Commonly found trailing garbage in URLs includes:
-- Green C 23:56, 28 June 2019 (UTC)
@ Headbomb: right, sometimes wrong:
How often it is not-wrong for comparison is the question. Which is worse tracking or not. -- Green C 05:11, 30 June 2019 (UTC)
A book that appeared with the author given on the title page as "A Virginian", but you know his real name, how is this best handled? I wish there were a "pseudonym" field.
Please don't get off on how we know the real name. That's a different topic.
This was posted unsuccessfully at Teahouse. Thanks for any help. deisenbe ( talk) 01:42, 5 July 2019 (UTC)
If a work is attributed to an invented or descriptive name, and the author’s real name is not known, pseud. (roman, in brackets) may follow the name, especially if it might not be immediately clear to readers that the name is false (as in the first two examples below). (An initial The or A may be omitted. In a text citation, or in a shortened form in a note, pseud. is usually omitted.),
A widely used pseudonym is generally treated as if it were the author’s real name.,
The real name, if of interest to readers, may follow the pseudonym in brackets.,
If the author’s real name is better known than the pseudonym, the real name should be used.Umimmak ( talk) 04:31, 5 July 2019 (UTC)
When issue=10,000
is used in {{
cite news}} (e.g. to cite a daily newspaper), the number is displayed as 10, 000 (with a space), which goes against
MOS:DIGITS. If issue=10000
is used, template shows 10000 (without a comma), which is also against the Manual of Style. issue=1,000
produces the same result, but at least it can be avoided, as 1000 is accepted by the MOS: Numbers with exactly four digits left of the decimal point may optionally be grouped (either 1,250 or 1250), provided that this is consistent within each article.
SLBedit (
talk) 01:15, 14 July 2019 (UTC)
Some books are differentiated from each other by volumes and parts. For example:
How would I cite the last two? If I use the "issue" parameter in 'cite book' template it doesn't show:
-- Brianann MacAmhlaidh ( talk) 22:50, 3 July 2019 (UTC)
{{
cite book}}
uses doesn't support part. The metadata standard doesn't support issue or number for books either which is why {{cite book}}
doesn't support those parameters. One way to accomplish what you want is this:
{{cite book |last=Smith |title=History of Apples |year=1901 |volume=2 |at=pt. 1}}
|at=pt. 1 pp. 75–83
|mode=cs1
, as in
|volume=
and |issue=
, but this work-around ends up producing the right results.
Umimmak (
talk)
{{
citation}}
documentation:
{{
cite book}}
does not support |issue=
so book citations rendered with {{citation}}
should do the same. The journal-style volume and issue format rendered by your example looks like a journal cite without an article title – a style that is allowed in journal citations where |title=none
. As you can see, your example mimics that style but produces invalid metadata were it used to create journal citations without article title.{{
cite book}}
: Unknown parameter |editors=
ignored (|editor=
suggested) (
help){{
cite book}}
, even in olden days, bolded |volume=
:Wikitext | {{cite book
|
---|---|
Live | Sunada, T. (2013). "Generalities on Graphs". Topological Crystallography. Surveys and Tutorials in the Applied Mathematical Sciences. Vol. 6. Tokyo: Springer. pp. 21–35.
doi:
10.1007/978-4-431-54177-6_3.
ISBN
978-4-431-54177-6. {{
cite book}} : Unknown parameter |editors= ignored (|editor= suggested) (
help)
|
Sandbox | Sunada, T. (2013). "Generalities on Graphs". Topological Crystallography. Surveys and Tutorials in the Applied Mathematical Sciences. Vol. 6. Tokyo: Springer. pp. 21–35.
doi:
10.1007/978-4-431-54177-6_3.
ISBN
978-4-431-54177-6. {{
cite book}} : Unknown parameter |editors= ignored (|editor= suggested) (
help)
|
A related issue is that a book may have multiple volumes for its particular title, and also have a different numbering as a volume within a book series. What I've usually resorted to in such cases is to put, e.g. "Vol. I" into the title parameter, and use the volume parameter for the book series volume number. — David Eppstein ( talk) 19:01, 4 July 2019 (UTC)
As I noted earlier in this discussion, {{
citation}}
is broken. I've tweaked the sandbox to fix that:
book and encyclopedia cites do not show issue:
{{citation/new|mode=cs1 |last=Smith |title=History of Apples |year=1902 |volume=2 |issue=2}}
→ Smith (1902). History of Apples. Vol. 2.{{citation/new|mode=cs1 |last=Smith |title=History of Apples |encyclopedia=Encyclopedia |year=1902 |volume=2 |issue=2}}
→ Smith (1902). "History of Apples". Encyclopedia. Vol. 2.periodical cites (|journal=
, |magazine=
, |news=
) show issue:
{{citation/new|mode=cs1 |last=Smith |title=History of Apples |journal=Journal |year=1902 |volume=2 |issue=2}}
→ Smith (1902). "History of Apples". Journal. 2 (2).{{citation/new|mode=cs1 |last=Smith |title=History of Apples |magazine=Magazine |year=1902 |volume=2 |issue=2}}
→ Smith (1902). "History of Apples". Magazine. Vol. 2, no. 2.{{citation/new|mode=cs1 |last=Smith |title=History of Apples |newspaper=Newspaper |year=1902 |volume=2 |issue=2}}
→ Smith (1902). "History of Apples". Newspaper. Vol. 2, no. 2.web cites (|website=
) show neither volume nor issue:
{{citation/new|mode=cs1 |last=Smith |title=History of Apples |website=Website |year=1902 |volume=2 |issue=2}}
→ Smith (1902). "History of Apples". Website. {{
citation}}
: Missing or empty |url=
(
help)|script-<periodical>=
except |script-website=
show both volume and issue:
{{citation/new|mode=cs1 |last=Smith |title=History of Apples |script-journal=ar:Script-Journal |year=1902 |volume=2 |issue=2}}
→ Smith (1902). "History of Apples". Script-Journal. Vol. 2.with |script-website=
shows neither volume nor issue:
{{citation/new|mode=cs1 |last=Smith |title=History of Apples |script-website=ar:Script-Website |year=1902 |volume=2 |issue=2}}
→ Smith (1902). "History of Apples". Script-Website. {{
citation}}
: Missing or empty |url=
(
help)cs1 templates to show that I haven't broken anything:
{{cite encyclopedia/new |last=Smith |title=History of Apples |encyclopedia=Encyclopedia |year=1902 |volume=2 |issue=2}}
→ Smith (1902). "History of Apples". Encyclopedia. Vol. 2.{{cite news/new |last=Smith |title=History of Apples |newspaper=Newspaper |year=1902 |volume=2 |issue=2}}
→ Smith (1902). "History of Apples". Newspaper. Vol. 2, no. 2.{{cite web/new |last=Smith |title=History of Apples |website=Website |year=1902 |volume=2 |issue=2}}
→ Smith (1902). "History of Apples". Website. {{
cite web}}
: Missing or empty |url=
(
help)with |script-<periodical>=
:
{{cite journal/new |last=Smith |title=History of Apples |script-journal=ar:Script-Journal |year=1902 |volume=2 |issue=2}}
→ Smith (1902). "History of Apples". Script-Journal. 2 (2).{{cite web/new |last=Smith |title=History of Apples |script-website=ar:Script-Website |year=1902 |volume=2 |issue=2}}
→ Smith (1902). "History of Apples". Script-Website. {{
cite web}}
: Missing or empty |url=
(
help)While making these fixes, I also noticed that {{citation|website=...}}
without |url=
does not show the missing url error message. Fixed that:
Wikitext | {{citation
|
---|---|
Live | "Title", Website {{
citation}} : Missing or empty |url= (
help)
|
Sandbox | "Title", Website {{
citation}} : Missing or empty |url= (
help)
|
— Trappist the monk ( talk) 16:44, 5 July 2019 (UTC)
I've never liked the way "volume" appears for books. The template uses the form appropriate for journals. Would it be possible for it to render as "Vol. XXX" like suggested above? Hawkeye7 (discuss) 01:36, 15 July 2019 (UTC)
archive-date
automaticallyWhen adding an
archive link, the archive-date
has to be entered manually, even if the archive-url
already contains it:
https://web.archive.org/web/20020120142510/http://example.com/
Many other archives besides Wayback include the date (also the source URL) in the snapshot URL as well.
Couldn't this be automated? That would be more convenient, and less error-prone. Toxide ( talk) 10:57, 17 July 2019 (UTC)
{{
webarchive}}
and the cs1|2 modules might share some bit of code that would extract an archive date from |archive-url=
– {{webarchive}}
already does this. I have not determined whether or not that functionality is easily shared without substantial changes to either or both of cs1|2 and {{webarchive}}
.|archive-date=
should go away entirely but that would mean that anything put in |archive-url=
must have an encoded archive date. At present, there is no requirement that |archive-url=
hold a url of an archival service (though best-practices would suggest that non-archival-service urls are suspect).|archive-date=
with the 14-digit timestamp, if it exists, and generate a red tracking message about a mismatch. {{
webarchive}}
already does this and CS1|2 might also. My bot WaybackMedic is able to fix these, and on occasion runs through the {{webarchive}}
tracking category to clear it. --
Green
C 15:19, 17 July 2019 (UTC)1. Has anyone considered adding author affiliation as a feature of cite journal? For example in Ottoman_constitution_of_1876#Further_reading I wanted to state the university affiliation of a journal article author, but that would mean putting parentheses in the author field. Is there a way for the template to display affiliation in this way without having parentheses in the author field?
2. I haven't used citation templates to cite works where a book contains multiple essays written by different people, as you have the author of the essay itself and then the editors of the book in question. Is this functionality there in the template? If not, would it be OK to add it?
Thanks, WhisperToMe ( talk) 21:32, 17 July 2019 (UTC)
|author=Korkut, Huseyin ([[Kırklareli University]])
{{
cite journal}}
will require |journal=
|editorN-first=
and |editorN-first=
can support different numbers of N to allow multiple editors. I also don't see the reason to include an ISBN-10 when you have access to an ISBN-13. Just cite the ISBN-13.
Umimmak (
talk) 23:51, 17 July 2019 (UTC)
John Doe, director of the Institute of Dust Bunny Studies, stated that....34
Another thing I'd like to explore: Is there a function where a URL can be given for a particular page in a book and that makes the page number clickable? The reason why I want this is that I want the title of the book to serve as a Wikipedia link to an article about the book itself (I often intentionally write Wikipedia articles about books used as sources so readers can learn about the background of the book), while the page number would be the place where one can click for the source content. WhisperToMe ( talk) 11:37, 18 July 2019 (UTC)
{{cite book |author=Author |chapter=Chapter Title |editor=Editor |title=Book Title |page=[//example.com 25]}}
This bug has been in the code since we added support for the access icons. Surprising that it's not been noticed until now. Fixed in the sandbox:
Wikitext | {{cite book
|
---|---|
Live |
"Chapter". Title. {{
cite book}} : Invalid |chapter-url-access=Subscription (
help)
|
Sandbox |
"Chapter". Title. {{
cite book}} : Invalid |chapter-url-access=Subscription (
help)
|
— Trappist the monk ( talk) 22:28, 17 July 2019 (UTC)
Why is the option doi-access=subscription not allowed when in fact most DOI lead to journal websites that require subscription or access via university libraries? -- bender235 ( talk) 15:38, 15 July 2019 (UTC)
|doi=
as an example) |doi-access=free
should be used. For |url=
, the norm is that the linked source is usually free-to-read. When that isn't the case, that is when |url-access=subscription
, |url-access=registration
, or |url-access=limited
should be used.|doi=subscription
but it isn't showing the red lock. How come?'|doi|jstor=registration
should be added for content that requires registration only. Without this clarification, readers are not offered an existing path to non-paid verification.
65.88.88.91 (
talk) 18:24, 15 July 2019 (UTC)
|<identifier>-access=free
.|url=
and I cannot remember anybody complaining about it. The same array of options (with allowances for the access norm) should be extended to all content identifiers. The specific case has the potential to make verifiability easier/more accessible. I would think this would make it a no-brainer.
65.88.88.91 (
talk) 20:39, 15 July 2019 (UTC)I read above that:
{{
cite journal}}
will require |journal=
Are we sure about this? There are thousands of journals which use DataCite DOIs, but the funny thing (as someone highlighted to me at some recent conferences) is that the DataCite schema doesn't have a field for the journal name. This might be dismissed as irrelevant but is a sign of what is considered important. Nemo 13:27, 19 July 2019 (UTC)
|journal=
when using {{
cite journal}}
– that is, after all, the purpose of the template.{{
cite data}}
){{
cite paper}}
and {{
cite document}}
transclusions. From that small sample, it seems to me that most could be (should be) rewritten to use a more appropriate template; obvious choices for the citations that I inspected were: {{
cite arxiv}}
, {{
cite book}}
, {{
cite citeseerx}}
, {{
cite conference}}
, {{
cite journal}}
, {{
cite thesis}}
, {{
cite web}}
. Template redirects do not act any differently from the template that they alias; editors should not expect different action simply because of a redirect's name. Perhaps this exercise will show that we need separate {{cite paper}}
and {{cite document}}
templates.|journal=
mandatory? —
David Eppstein (
talk) 22:08, 19 July 2019 (UTC){{
cite journal}}
is a periodical template – always has been. Individual papers and documents are not periodicals. We already have some templates that are suitable for citing preprints of individual papers so it isn't much of a stretch to imagine that we should also have templates specifically for citing individual papers and documents – the {{cite paper}}
redirect might be usurped for that purpose and the {{cite document}}
redirect pointed at {{cite paper}}
instead of {{cite journal}}
.suspect that requiring to provide a journal name is not the easiest or most efficient way toensure that journal cites name the journal. State the better method; don't just leave us hanging ...
|journal=
mandatory. Likely first as a maintenance category to see how bad things are have a preliminary round of cleanup through citation bot and the like.
Headbomb {
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p ·
b} 20:42, 19 July 2019 (UTC)
{{
cite journal}}
because there likely to be sources that can use {{cite journal}}
that lived and died before persistent identifiers were invented. Nor do I think that a persistent-identifier-requirement is a solution to your research data concern.{{
cite paper}}
template to replace the redirect to {{cite journal}}
would handle individually published papers that do not belong to some kind of "journal". This template can use but must not require persistent identifiers, does not allow
|journal=
or aliases, gets the metadata right. {{cite paper}}
should require |publisher=
because
WP:V. These same might apply to a {{
cite data}}
template were we to decide that citing research data is something that cs1|2 should support.3000 pages makes it very hard to check what's backlogged vs what's newly broken. Breaking down by months would make it easier to manage. Headbomb { t · c · p · b} 07:19, 20 July 2019 (UTC)
|doi-broken=
{{cite journal/new |title=Title |journal=Journal |doi=10.1212/something |doi-broken=January 2019}}
Harking back to this discussion, I found this:
{{Cite journal|last=Balding|first=Christopher|last2=Clarke|first2=Donald|date=17 April 2019|title=WHO OWNS HUAWEI?|url=https://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=3372669|journal=SSRN|volume=|page=4|pages=15|via=SSRN}}
{{
cite journal}}
: More than one of |pages=
and |page=
specified (
help)and that lead me to create {{
cite ssrn/new}}
to become {{
cite ssrn}}
after the next module update:
{{cite ssrn/new |last=Balding |first=Christopher |last2=Clarke |first2=Donald |date=17 April 2019 |title=Who Owns Huawei? |ssrn=3372669 |page=4}}
Like {{
cite arxiv}}
, {{
cite bioRxiv}}
, and {{
cite citeseerx}}
, this template accepts only a limited subset of the cs1|2 parameters.
Keep? Discard?
Needs documentation which I leave to someone else.
I will note that {{
cite citeseerx}}
still needs documentation ...
— Trappist the monk ( talk) 23:56, 18 July 2019 (UTC)
{{cite preprint|mode=arxiv}}
or something. But that might be more complex than individual templates.
Headbomb {
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p ·
b} 00:57, 19 July 2019 (UTC)
rft.jtitle
). That suggests that only one of |arxiv=
(or |eprint=
), |biorxiv=
, |citeseerx=
, or |ssrn=
would be allowed in any one instance of {{
cite preprint}}
. That means that the preprint parameters would all be pseudo-aliases of each other for the purpose of duplication detection (and error messaging) but as individual parameters for the purpose of rendering the proper link.I just ran across this:
{{Cite arXiv|url=https://papers.nips.cc/paper/5346-sequence-to-sequence-learning-with-neural-networks.pdf|title=Sequence to sequence learning with neural networks|last=Sutskever|first=I.|last2=Vinyals|first2=O.|date=2014|website=|publisher=NIPS'2014|access-date=|last3=Le|first3=Q. V.|eprint=1409.3215|class=cs.CL}}
{{
cite arXiv}}
: Cite has empty unknown parameters: |access-date=
and |website=
(
help); Unknown parameter |publisher=
ignored (
help)This template makes me wonder if supporting |url=
in {{
cite arxiv}}
and the other preprint templates is the correct thing. For this particular example, I would say no. In this case, the paper was presented at the Twenty-eighth Conference on Neural Information Processing Systems (
NIPS 2014 video of the talk linked from
the conference schedule). So, this template is one that is better rewritten to use {{
cite conference}}
(which I will do).
Is there any reason that the identifier-based preprint templates need |url=
?
— Trappist the monk ( talk) 14:25, 21 July 2019 (UTC)
As it is, the cite book template puts the surname before the first name (e.g. "Smith, John"). I'd like someone to add a option that will force the template to order it first then last (ie "John Smith"). The only way to do this currently is to use the author= parameter, but then this causes problems with the ref= parameter and other things. Could somebody do this for me? Something like a parameter first-last-name=true. Kurzon ( talk) 17:37, 15 June 2019 (UTC)
|af=
parameter, as I proposed it in 2018.
Headbomb {
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p ·
b} 18:50, 15 June 2019 (UTC)
|author=
.
Kurzon (
talk) 11:54, 18 June 2019 (UTC)
{{
cs1-name-format|Vancouver}}
or similar, and not have to micromanage and review every citation after bots, tools, and editors get involved.
Headbomb {
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c ·
p ·
b} 16:28, 19 June 2019 (UTC)
|surname=
, which is a synonym for |last=
. As long as we invert "last" name everything works out. If we don't invert (perhaps for co-authors), well, that would be ambiguous. The problem with using |author=
or |coauthor=
for this is we have no indication of which order the names are in. ♦
J. Johnson (JJ) (
talk) 23:10, 18 June 2019 (UTC)Da; there is no need for any kind of inversion. [That came in with my edit, but it's not my comment. ♦
J. Johnson (JJ) (
talk) 20:31, 19 June 2019 (UTC)]
Ideally, at least for lists of citations in alphabetical order, a person from a culture where the given name is written first in running text would be "Washington, George" while a person from a culture where the surname is written first in written first would be "Mao Zedong". To achieve this ideal, it would be necessary to individually mark each name to show which convention applies, or at least, mark those that don't follow the default for an English-language publication, "Washington, George". Jc3s5h ( talk) 17:38, 19 June 2019 (UTC)
I read the rules and Wikipedia does not have a fixed citation style. The citation templates are optional, not mandatory. I could ignore them to do what I want. Kurzon ( talk) 07:49, 20 June 2019 (UTC)
|author=
instead off |last=
/|first=
.
Headbomb {
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p ·
b} 15:26, 20 June 2019 (UTC)|authors=
instead of first/last is deprecable. Yes, the documentation suggests using it, but that was never vetted, and one of these days (soon?) ought to be re-visited.small variation" we ought not to accommodate. I don't believe that is common practice here, and in bibliographies "last, first" is practically required. ♦ J. Johnson (JJ) ( talk) 19:50, 20 June 2019 (UTC)
|authorn=
has to be used over |lastn=
/|firstn=
.
Headbomb {
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b} 20:48, 20 June 2019 (UTC)
|author=
(and I have seen plenty of that) corrupts the metadata. But where has anyone rejected use of templates because they wanted to collate by personal name? This warrants a separate, deeper discussion. ♦
J. Johnson (JJ) (
talk) 21:00, 26 June 2019 (UTC)WP:CITESTYLE says there is no hard rule for name order. Kurzon ( talk) 09:57, 21 June 2019 (UTC)
|author=
or |authors=
could or should be deprecated. These parameters are necessary, to handle institutional authors (where the author of record is a committee or some such), and probably also necessary in some unusual circumstances to handle authors who are people but who do not have names that fit the first/last paradigm (
the obligatory link). Perhaps they could be deprecated for instances where the author is a conventionally-named person or group of people but I don't see how that could be enforced. —
David Eppstein (
talk) 22:13, 19 July 2019 (UTC)
|authors=
(plural) that is discouraged (it isn't really deprecated though I think that sometime in future it should be). This parameter is discouraged because of its free-form nature. It allows any number of names, usually human, but because human names are, per your obligatory link, so damn confounding, the module does not attempt to add the content of |authors=
(plural) to the citation's metadata.Wikipedia does not have a single house style". It also says ( here): "
The full citations are listed in alphabetical order, according to the authors' surnames, at the end of the article in a "References" section." Also ( here, underlining added): "
General references are usually listed at the end of the article in a "References" section, and are usually sorted by the last name of the author or the editor." As to alternative sorting, I am not aware of any instances, in or out of WP, of sorting by first (personal) names.
Editors interested in citation templates might want to chime in: Wikipedia:Bots/Requests for approval/OAbot 3. − Pintoch ( talk) 15:31, 25 July 2019 (UTC)
I suggest enabling this because it is intuitive if one has url and archive-url to have chapter-trans-title beside trans-title for title and chapter params respectivelly. -- Obsuser ( talk) 16:44, 26 July 2019 (UTC)
|trans-chapter=
already exists:
{{cite book |chapter=Non-English chapter title |trans-chapter=Translated chapter title |title=Non-English title |trans-title=Translated title |chapter-url=//example.com |archive-url=//archove.org |archive-date=2019-07-26}}
|trans-chapter=
is documented and has been for a long time; see
Template:Cite book § Title.I'm working on a draft that is mainly cited to
EBSCOHost databases because I can. For most sources, the URL I'm using is just the direct link to the EBSCOHost data from my institution. However, for one I have a better (more accessible) link and decided to have mercy on our poor readers and included it. However, I am still going to include an EBSCHost link because I want to and because I can
. I just don't know how to mark the link as I would |url-access=subscription
. Was the exclusion of a |id-access=
intentional? It would seem that portions of the module code use it as a keyword (
Module:Citation/CS1/Configuration defines it, and it is references in
Module:Citation/CS1/Identifiers), but that essentially refers to all the |doi-access=
-like parameters if I understand things right. Am I supposed to use a seperate template for this? Help would be nice here. This page isn't in my watchlist, so a ping is appreciated. BTW, the real reason I use EBSCOHost is because that is just what I have through school. Since I'm already using it, I want as many of my citations to be as uniform as possible here. Regards, (
edit conflict) –
MJL
‐Talk‐
☖ 22:43, 27 July 2019 (UTC)
|id-access=
is not the same as ['id-access']
The former is a non-existent template parameter while the latter is Lua table key.|id=
can hold anything it is not constrained to be an external link. It is just some sort of free-form something tacked on at the end of the named-identifiers list. I don't recall discussion about |id=
during the access icon discussions. I suppose that we could add support for |id-access=free
IFF |id=[<url> label]
; only free
because |id=
is an identifier parameter.The following cite generates a URL error. After reading the "help" page, I think it is caused by the "x". But I did not see a way to fix it:
{{Cite news|url=https://blog.x.company/a-peek-inside-the-moonshot-factory-operating-manual-f5c33c9ab4d7|title=A Peek Inside the Moonshot Factory Operating Manual|author=Astro Teller|date=2016-07-23|work=The Team at X|access-date=2018-04-24}}
{{Cite news/new|url=https://blog.x.company/a-peek-inside-the-moonshot-factory-operating-manual-f5c33c9ab4d7|title=A Peek Inside the Moonshot Factory Operating Manual|author=Astro Teller|date=2016-07-23|work=The Team at X|access-date=2018-04-24}}
Is there any way to cite a specific sense of an entry? I'm hoping for something like how the Wiktionary template ( wikt:Template:R:OED_Online#Examples) has a `pos` (part of speech) parameter that allows you to cite a specific sense in a dictionary entry.
|at=
can be used for this purpose. --
Izno (
talk) 22:39, 31 July 2019 (UTC)According to the docs, title accepts wikitext is title-link is not set. However, the code {{cite journal | author =Tiffeneau Marc| year=1921 | title = L'oeuvre commune de [[Charles Frederic Gerhardt|Gerhardt]] et de Wurtz | journal=Revue scientifique }} is mistakenly rendered with the title Gerhardt. This is because is_wikilink, which is called from kern_quotes ignores text before and after the wikilink. I was wondering if this is intentional or a bug?-- Strainu ( talk) 18:12, 30 July 2019 (UTC)
|author=
?). If Gerhardt is important enough to be wikilinked, then a wikilink from the article's prose is a much better place for that link.{{cite journal | author =Tiffeneau Marc| year=1921 | title = L'oeuvre commune de [[Charles Frederic Gerhardt|Gerhardt]] et de Wurtz | journal=Revue scientifique }}
{{cite journal | author =Tiffeneau Marc| year=1921 | title = L'oeuvre commune de [[Charles Frederic Gerhardt]] et de Wurtz | journal=Revue scientifique }}
kern_quotes()
correctly handles kerning when |title=
holds a value that is one of these forms:
|title='plain text'
→ "'plain text'". Journal.|title='[[en.wiki article title]]'
→ "'
en.wiki article title'". Journal.|title='[[en.wiki article title|label]]'
→ "'
label'". Journal.|title=[[en.wiki article title|'label']]
→ "
'label'". Journal.|title='plain text [[en.wiki article title]]'
→ "'plain text
en.wiki article title'". Journal.|title='[[en.wiki article title]] plain text'
→ "'
en.wiki article title plain text'". Journal.|title='plain text [[en.wiki article title]] plain text'
→ "'plain text
en.wiki article title plain text'". Journal.|title='plain text [[en.wiki article title|label]] plain text'
→ "'plain text
label plain text'". Journal.|chapter=
(and aliases)? in |title=
for the periodical templates ({{
cite journal}}
, {{
cite magazine}}
, {{
cite news}}
, {{
cite web}}
)?I have just recently encountered cites with the "unsupported parameter" |developer=
. Is there some discussion about adding this parameter? (I hope not) --
User-duck (
talk) 06:34, 4 August 2019 (UTC)
Seems to be related to: Replaced Infobox online music service with Infobox online service. -- User-duck ( talk) 07:27, 4 August 2019 (UTC)
{{|cite software}}
. With a "developer" parameter.
98.0.145.210 (
talk) 12:26, 4 August 2019 (UTC)|developer=
, but I do not think any other templates employ it. --
Izno (
talk) 14:56, 4 August 2019 (UTC)I just found about 170 incorrect parsing of the et al in an author list (possibly by a script). if I have time, I may try to fix some of these, but it would be good to have some tracking to assist (if possible). thank you. Frietjes ( talk) 18:48, 9 August 2019 (UTC)
|last=al.
. That one seems harder to track, but the your pattern might be reasonably possible. (Though, otoh, maybe just in |first=
; |author=
is used to hold pseudonyms, which sometimes include brackets.) --
Izno (
talk) 05:56, 10 August 2019 (UTC)All 10.5555 DOIs are test DOIs and will never resolve. There should be an error thrown for those. Headbomb { t · c · p · b} 18:50, 9 August 2019 (UTC)
{{cite journal/new |title=Philippi, Rudolph Amandus (Rodolfo Amando) (1808-1904) |url=https://plants.jstor.org/stable/10.5555/al.ap.person.bm000006508 |website=JSTOR Plants |accessdate=9 August 2018 |language=en |doi=10.5555/al.ap.person.bm000006508 |doi-broken-date=2019-08-08 }}
{{
cite journal}}
: Check |doi=
value (
help)CS1 maint: DOI inactive as of August 2019 (
link)*{{cite journal |title=Philippi, Rudolph Amandus (Rodolfo Amando) (1808-1904) |url=https://plants.jstor.org/stable/10.5555/al.ap.person.bm000006508 |website=JSTOR Plants |accessdate=9 August 2018 |language=en |doi=10.5555/al.ap.person.bm000006508 |doi-broken-date=2019-08-08 }} *{{cite journal |title=Philippi, Rudolph Amandus (Rodolfo Amando) (1808-1904) |url=https://plants.jstor.org/stable/10.5555/al.ap.person.bm000006508 |website=JSTOR Plants |accessdate=9 August 2018 |language=en|doi-broken-date=2019-08-08 }}
gives
{{
cite journal}}
: Check |doi=
value (
help)CS1 maint: DOI inactive as of August 2019 (
link){{
cite journal}}
: |doi-broken-date=
requires |doi=
(
help)The second case should be in a tracking category so that |doi-broken-date
can be removed.
Headbomb {
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p ·
b} 16:14, 9 August 2019 (UTC)
{{cite journal/new |title=Philippi, Rudolph Amandus (Rodolfo Amando) (1808-1904) |url=https://plants.jstor.org/stable/10.5555/al.ap.person.bm000006508 |website=JSTOR Plants |accessdate=9 August 2018 |language=en|doi-broken-date=2019-08-08 }}
{{
cite journal}}
: |doi-broken-date=
requires |doi=
(
help)Also
{{cite book/new|last=Frontani|first=Michael|chapter=The Solo Years|editor-last=Womack|editor-first=Kenneth|year=2009|title=The Cambridge Companion to the Beatles|location=Cambridge, UK|publisher=Cambridge University Press|isbn=978-0-521-68976-2|ref=harv}}
throws a weird error
{{
cite book}}
: Invalid |ref=harv
(
help)As do a lot of things in #Partial links in title. Headbomb { t · c · p · b} 12:11, 10 August 2019 (UTC)
I find myself here from {{
Cite book}}
's talk; Using both |chapter=
and |contributor*=
throws an error. Am I doing something wrong, or more importantly, how do I fix this?
{{Cite book |title=Buffy Sainte-Marie: The Authorized Biography |chapter=Better to find out for yourself |first=Andrea |last=Warner |contributor-first=Joni |contributor-last=Mitchell |contributor-link=Joni Mitchell |contribution=foreword |publisher=[[Greystone Books]] |year=2018 |isbn=9781771643597 |url=https://books.google.co.uk/books?id=m2JmDwAAQBAJ&q=The+song+of+the+French+partisan#v=snippet&q=The%20song%20of%20the%20French%20partisan&f=false}}
{{
cite book}}
: |contributor=
requires |contribution=
(
help); More than one of |contribution=
and |chapter=
specified (
help){{Cite book |title=Buffy Sainte-Marie: The Authorized Biography | first=Andrea |last=Warner |contributor-first=Joni |contributor-last=Mitchell |contributor-link=Joni Mitchell |contribution=foreword |publisher=[[Greystone Books]] |year=2018 |isbn=9781771643597 |url=https://books.google.co.uk/books?id=m2JmDwAAQBAJ&q=The+song+of+the+French+partisan#v=snippet&q=The%20song%20of%20the%20French%20partisan&f=false}}
{{Cite book |title=Buffy Sainte-Marie: The Authorized Biography |chapter=Better to find out for yourself |first=Andrea |last=Warner |publisher=[[Greystone Books]] |year=2018 |isbn=9781771643597 |url=https://books.google.co.uk/books?id=m2JmDwAAQBAJ&q=The+song+of+the+French+partisan#v=snippet&q=The%20song%20of%20the%20French%20partisan&f=false}}
Fred Gandt ·
talk ·
contribs
06:11, 12 August 2019 (UTC)
Fred Gandt ·
talk ·
contribs
18:09, 12 August 2019 (UTC)
|contributor=
and |chapter=
are not aliases of each other. However, |contribution=
and |chapter=
are aliases.|url=
from your examples takes readers to, for lack of a better term, a dab page at books.google.com. Neither of the two offerings there are part of Mitchell's foreword. Since it would appear that you are not citing Mitchell's foreword, she and the foreword should not be part of the citation. The error message is correct.
Fred Gandt ·
talk ·
contribs
18:46, 12 August 2019 (UTC)I have a URL that is throwing an error, "https://нэб.рф/catalog/000200_000018_RU_NLR_DIGIT_11048/viewer". The URL works (takes one to the desired location on the web), but it throws an error, and coming here I see "The URL field is checked to ensure that it contains only Latin characters..."
So after looking it up, I substited the "encoded" version, which is ""%D0%BD%D1%8D%D0%B1.%D1%80%D1%84", in place of the Cyrillic characters "нэб.рф", but it still throws an error, altho this version also works.
So my questions are: 1) Why throw an error when it works? 2) What's the solution?
(As with all templates, I wish there was a "don't check, I know what I'm doing" field, but there isn't AFAIK.) Herostratus ( talk) 14:59, 12 August 2019 (UTC)
Pages are displayed ":57–59", but the explanation says they are displayed "pp. 57–59". Am I doing something wrong? Template:Cite magazine displays pages "pp. 57–59". Vzeebjtf ( talk) 22:20, 12 August 2019 (UTC)
{{
cite journal}}
in which case |pages=57–59
displaying as ":57–59" is correct. Similarly, using {{
cite magazine}}
with the same |pages=57–59
displaying as "pp. 57–59" is also correct. Give an example of what you are doing.—which does not seem to be accurate. Perhaps it should be corrected? Vzeebjtf ( talk) 23:42, 12 August 2019 (UTC)page: The number of a single page in the source that supports the content. Use either |page= or |pages=, but not both. Displays preceded by p. unless |nopp=y or work (or an alias) is defined.
This
edit request to
Template:Cite book has been answered. Set the |answered= or |ans= parameter to no to reactivate your request. |
Under
Template:Cite book § In-source locations, in the examples for use of the |at=
parameter, please add box and table (e.g. "Box 8.1" and "Table 8.1" on page 195 of
ACSM's Guidelines for Exercise Testing and Prescription). Thank you.
Sangdeboeuf (
talk) 01:05, 19 August 2019 (UTC)
I searched the archives but haven't seen this mentioned. The bibcode check assumes that the JJJJJ will only have letter, ampersand, or dot, but 'E3S Web of Conferences' = E3SWC breaks the standard and throws an invalid bibcode error (see Food_safety_incidents_in_China); Can the templates be updates to validate this? Quuux ( talk) 01:03, 23 August 2019 (UTC)
fixed in the sandbox:
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Live | Hadiyanto, Hadiyanto (2018). "Ozone Application for Tofu Waste Water Treatment and Its Utilisation for Growth Medium of Microalgae Spirulina sp". E3S Web of Conferences. Vol. 31. p. 03002. Bibcode: 2018E3SWC..3103002H. doi: 10.1051/e3sconf/20183103002. |
Sandbox | Hadiyanto, Hadiyanto (2018). "Ozone Application for Tofu Waste Water Treatment and Its Utilisation for Growth Medium of Microalgae Spirulina sp". E3S Web of Conferences. Vol. 31. p. 03002. Bibcode: 2018E3SWC..3103002H. doi: 10.1051/e3sconf/20183103002. |
— Trappist the monk ( talk) 10:48, 23 August 2019 (UTC)
I wanted to ask which is preferred, I've noticed =work being changed to =website by some users. Govvy ( talk) 16:18, 24 August 2019 (UTC)
|work=
is an alias of |website=
; there is no reason to change it. I don’t think one is preferred over the other.
Umimmak (
talk) 17:06, 24 August 2019 (UTC)