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Thanks for your comments and especially your mention of the Elkman NRHP infobox generator (I learned something new). My work, meager as it is, will benefit greatly from your suggestions. Tamanoeconomico ( talk) 13:59, 19 September 2018 (UTC)
Is there a list of redlinked notable buildings and architect article subjects somewhere? I don't see much point in adding a bunch more drafts but if there is a list somewhere I'd be happy to add to it with a brief explanation of significance. Thanks FloridaArmy ( talk) 23:48, 19 September 2018 (UTC)
Hey, I've been adding to the monuments on commons and found that many NRHP sites are not listed. The East Hampton village green, which includes James lane, has the Mulford Homestead museum and the home sweet home museum, Ref 74001309. Its been a slog sorting out the windmills so I went there and tried to photograph as many as I could. Some are behind fences with dogs. Anyhoo, the Pantigo was for 72 years at Pantigo rd (montauk Hwy) and Egypt lane, before it was moved in 1917 to the backyard of the Homesweethome museum, a landmarked site on the NRHP. Googlemaps has it at the bottom of windmill lane, but thats the Hayground.Watch the articles, the lists need updating, the Huntting, pantigo, Mulford farm windmills are all the same smock mill, just the dates of the moves indicates who owned it.... CaptJayRuffins ( talk) 23:38, 23 September 2018 (UTC)
Thanks, don't know if you were still watching, I could use some help cleaning up Quogue Historic District... CaptJayRuffins ( talk) 01:40, 2 October 2018 (UTC)
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You have blanked our page without explanantion. Xx236 ( talk) 06:38, 4 October 2018 (UTC)
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Would you be so kind as to cast your eye on Alamogordo Woman's Club and make any edits you see fit? Thanks! WomenArtistUpdates ( talk) 19:22, 4 October 2018 (UTC)
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Did you ever find out about the movements and address changes of Dawson Woman's Club? Bubba73 You talkin' to me? 04:19, 20 November 2018 (UTC)
Hi Doncram, A new page, Boise Capitol Area District, (meager as it is) at National Register of Historic Places listings in Ada County, Idaho redirects from there to Idaho State Capitol. Can you remove the redirect or advise on how to request it? Good fortunes, Tamanoeconomico ( talk) 03:57, 26 November 2018 (UTC)
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Greetings! I made a start on William H. Taft Mansion, was wondering if it is of any importance to NHRP? Hope all is well with you. Markvs88 ( talk) 21:32, 4 December 2018 (UTC)
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help), provides an inventory of buildings in the district which I think is supposed to be complete, but it doesn't specifically mention 111 Whitney. On its page 68 in the PDF document it covers 107 Whitney, a non-contributing building, then covers 113 Whitney presumably next door, so I wonder if 113 is the
William H. Taft Mansion. 113 is described as "Built: ca. 1870. 2-story Second Empire-style masonry house with mansard roof, bracketed main cornice, central facade pavilion." I browsed the
Accompanying 34 photos, from 1984 and 1985 but it does not cover any houses on Whitney. Hmm, Google street view shows the house is signed as the "William H. Taft Mansion", and I can see that the house indeed is
Second Empire architecture in style and otherwise meets that description in all respects. So I am satisfied it is the house covered in the NRHP document as 113. The Google streetview also shows the house has "Ivy Labs Education" signage, and then I find per
this webpage on the New Haven office that the house does seem to be numbered 111 now. If you want, please add about this to the article, and/or I will sometime later. cheers, --
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Greetings. I am having a tough time finding much coverage of this fellow. His dad and son have the same name but don't seem to have been especially notable. Any ideas? FloridaArmy ( talk) 18:34, 6 December 2018 (UTC)
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Hello. You may be interested in another NRHP architect, H. Clinton Parrent Jr.. By the way, I pinged you about Aspen Grove, not sure if you saw it... Zigzig20s ( talk) 11:34, 17 December 2018 (UTC)
The consensus at Bank of American Fork (financial institution) is merge if you would like to complete this. Otr500 ( talk) 19:40, 17 December 2018 (UTC)
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I pinged you on a talkpage about Aspen Grove, but I can no longer find it. Do you know where it is please? It's about an article you created about a house in Williamson County, TN. We may have the picture but we need to make sure it is the same house. Zigzig20s ( talk) 14:59, 22 December 2018 (UTC)
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@ Doncram: noticing you started the article, I was wondering if an image like this would be suitable to give an idea of how it looked, Maybe you find there are images that are more suitable. Thank you for your time. Lotje ( talk) 12:23, 30 December 2018 (UTC)
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Could this be the off-wiki version of our NRHP-related work? Zigzig20s ( talk) 09:37, 19 January 2019 (UTC)
The Sons of San Patricio Monument and the San Patricio de Hibernia Monument were both built in 1937. Are you sure they are two separate monuments? Zigzig20s ( talk) 18:14, 23 January 2019 (UTC)
This edit replaced your photo of Mayer Red Brick Schoolhouse with one that is clearly inferior due to poor lighting. It also replaced two photos I took. I don't want to revert because my photos are involved also. But yours should clearly go back. MB 00:45, 24 January 2019 (UTC)
Hi, I've come across the dab page Dubois Historic District. One of the two redlink entries is about an article that has now been created: DuBois Historic District. The other one, however, links to a list article which doesn't seem to mention any places with this name. With apparently only a single article that's known by this term, I thought it would be best to turn the dab page into a redirect to it. But then, there might be something I'm missing. – Uanfala (talk) 02:55, 30 January 2019 (UTC)
I recall you raising this at an editor's Talk page (March 2015). I chanced upon this Talk page section from 2011 and thought you may be interested in the content. rgds.-- Rocknrollmancer ( talk) 18:36, 30 January 2019 (UTC)
Not sure if you can expand the William Redding House? I tried to find his obituary on Newspapers.com, to no avail. There may be books about New Mexico pioneers on the Internet Archive though! Zigzig20s ( talk) 11:02, 31 January 2019 (UTC)
Hi Doncram, thank you for noticing the new article - it was my first article from scratch, so your "thanks" for creating it is really made me feel good. Schazjmd ( talk) 14:57, 4 February 2019 (UTC)
I've e-mailed you. Zigzig20s ( talk) 21:43, 5 February 2019 (UTC)
Talk:Barela-Reynolds House. Zigzig20s ( talk) 01:06, 9 February 2019 (UTC)
The Elkman tool is not giving me the right PDFs, just blank ones. Where did you find the one for the bank please? Zigzig20s ( talk) 20:47, 10 February 2019 (UTC)
<ref name=nrhpdoc>{{cite web|url= |title=National Register of Historic Places Registration: |publisher=Texas Historical Commission |author= |date= |accessdate=July 8, 2024}}</ref>
<ref name=nrhpdoc>{{cite web|url=https://atlas.thc.state.tx.us/NR/pdfs/84001662/84001662.pdf |title=National Register of Historic Places Inventory-Nomination: United States Post Office / Downtown Station, Old Main Post Office |publisher=Texas Historical Commission |author=Peter Flagg Maxson |date=January 15, 1984 |accessdate=July 8, 2024}}</ref>
Your search returned 2 results. Old Fort Bliss — El Paso County National Register Listing — 2072001357 Historical Marker — 5141003730
Click on the "National Register Listing — 2072001357", then it brings up:
Details for Old Fort Bliss (Atlas Number 2072001357) National Register Listing — Atlas Number 2072001357
and various tabs. Click on the "Files" tab, which offers up:
National Register Nomination File
Click on that, and the NRHP document will open. For this one, it opens slowly. But you can see the URL of the document is https://atlas.thc.state.tx.us/NR/pdfs/72001357/72001357.pdf . Which is NOT the URL suggested by the Elkman tool, which doesn't work. You have the NRHP document open, that is what you need. Knock on wood. -- Doncram ( talk) 22:31, 11 February 2019 (UTC)
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Thank you for all your NRHP-related work! Zigzig20s ( talk) 00:52, 11 February 2019 (UTC) |
I am trying to do National Register of Historic Places listings in Yuma County, Arizona, as it is on the border. I am a bit disappointed in Ruth Ewing House, however. It is quite short, and I can't find her obituary on Newspapers.com. Zigzig20s ( talk) 00:18, 17 February 2019 (UTC)
Hi Doncram, the MacMillan Chapel was moved from Ada County to Canyon County in Idaho after its listing on the NRHP (#84000989), but the listing remains on the Ada County page. Can the listing be cut and pasted from Ada to Canyon County's page? Tamanoeconomico ( talk) 03:34, 4 March 2019 (UTC)
Hi Doncram. I have, indeed, made many changes to this article. Reason being that an article on a regional Ozark Mountains building type (which is absolutely legit) has been expanded into a fantasy of an international "prow house" giving examples of Frank Lloyd Wright and a German housing scheme. From that, a "prow window" has been made up which simply does not exist. The "prow gable" is legit but has nothing to do with the "prow house" - that's why I separated the two things. I don't want to claim any credit for anything and I mentioned in the history page that I moved the "Winged gable" to a new article. But I take your point and include links between the two articles.
I recently came across two articles about what appears to be the same historic house: the correctly named but very short Singleton House (Eatonton, Georgia), and the incorrectly named but more detailed Singleton House (Eatonville, Georgia). Since you were the creator of both articles (in 2009 and 2018, respectively), I thought you would be the best qualified to decide whether and how the material from the incorrectly named article should be merged into the earlier article. Or if you don't feel like dealing with it, just let me know, and I'll do my best with it. Cheers! -- ShelfSkewed Talk 02:16, 11 March 2019 (UTC)
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@ Doncram:, that's ridiculous. You chose not to ping me, so I didn't see your reply ... and then you not only complain here that I didn't reply but go making an issue of it elsewhere, also without notifying me.
If you do not want to be accused of "high-frequency basic incompetence", then please don't display high-frequency basic incompetence.
I didn't invent WP:REDNOT. Its there for a reason. If you disagree with it, then start an RFC to change it ... but so long as it stands, it's a very easy thing to follow. Simply look at the bottom of a page when you save, and if you see a redlinked category, fix it.
And no, I am definitely not asserting that the number one issue in Wikipedia is that redlink categories should not exist, over all other priorities
. Please don't put words in my mouth.
What I am asserting is that you repeatedly make this same very simple error, requiring other editors to clean up after you. It's easily detected and easily fixed.
And no, Wikipedia is not based on allowing different people to do what they want.
It is based on people working on whatever they choose to work on, but within consensus guidelines.
All I am asking of you is that you spend a few seconds so that you don't repeatedly leave others to clean up after you. What's so hard about that? - BrownHairedGirl (talk) • ( contribs) 19:50, 28 March 2019 (UTC)
Hello. I e-mailed you about a historic bust a few days ago. Are you interested in working on it at all please? Zigzig20s ( talk) 09:29, 15 March 2019 (UTC)
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Hi, Doncram. I thought about writing an article about Tesla Museum in Italy, but couldn't find anything on the web. There are sites mostly about Tesla car or so, but not about museum in Italy. Do you know more about it? Any link? Regards, -- Silve rije 18:44, 21 March 2019 (UTC)
Done. Zigzig20s ( talk) 00:41, 28 March 2019 (UTC)
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Please stop this disruption. You know what the problem is, and it is very easily avoided. -- BrownHairedGirl (talk) • ( contribs) 09:52, 29 March 2019 (UTC)
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Hi there. Regarding Attucks High School, I thought you might like to know that there is also a relatively famous Crispus Attucks High School in Indianapolis. Both schools seem to have been named after Crispus Attucks, so we may want to think about a disambiguation page. Zagalejo ^^^ 01:45, 12 April 2019 (UTC)
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Do you think Rose Hill Burial Park (Oklahoma City, Oklahoma) is notable? Is having notable burials enough? Also, any help on Draft:John T. Waller would be appreciated. I didn't come across the nomination form, for example, for his building on the NRHP list. And I suspect there must be some strong sources out there somewhere. Thanks. FloridaArmy ( talk) 21:07, 22 April 2019 (UTC)
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This photo of the library was the first one I uploaded to Commons.
But it might not be useful because of the abundant foliage. And thanks for the insights on process and methods as relating to Monsieur Giron's Confectionery and the NRIS information issues page. The link has been saved for future discoveries. Tamanoeconomico ( talk) 05:32, 5 May 2019 (UTC)
I saw your comment about memorials, and I agree. One person seems to have taken over the article and is doing as you describe. For instance, everything named after Sidney Lanier is a monument or memorial to the confederates. Lanier was a private in the army who was captured. I like poets who weren't captured. :-)
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Ferdinand C. Fiske (1856-1930) was definitely notable. Zigzig20s ( talk) 21:29, 19 May 2019 (UTC)
Hi Doncram, the Warehouse District (Salt Lake City, Utah) page may contain some misleading information in the list of buildings included from the Utah State Historical Society Historic Preservation Research Office. Most of the buildings in that list are not in the Warehouse District; they are on Main Street (formerly known as East Temple Street). I noticed you recently have been improving the article, and I would help if needed. My knowledge of that part of town is limited, though. Sunset Magazine's article referenced on the Warehouse District page, Salt Lake City's Arty West Side, indicates the boundaries of the Warehouse District are subject to change, although Main Street would still be one block away from West Temple Street, a boundary given by National Register of Historic Places listings in Salt Lake City. One problem is that the Warehouse District page references the extensive list of buildings included in the Historic Preservation Research Office document, and that list includes buildings on Main Street. Tamanoeconomico ( talk) 23:01, 22 May 2019 (UTC)
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Thanks for your thanks. I got a few more OK shots of the Green River and White River area and other stuff on yesterday's flyover. To be uploaded. Some show gas fields clearly, including the Bitter Creek Gas Field, but I don't see any coverage of such places in Wikipedia – I think they try to keep them out of the news. Generally, I just shoot whatever I can see when the clouds don't interfere, then use Google Maps to figure out what I got. Some of the areas I find, esp. in Utah, have a severe lack of named features, as far as I can find. Dicklyon ( talk) 00:11, 2 June 2019 (UTC)
Uploaded more. Gotta catch a flight to Portugal now... Dicklyon ( talk) 01:24, 2 June 2019 (UTC)
Hey there! I replied to your comment over on my talk page. /info/en/?search=User_talk:Rich_jj#LDS_tabernacles_list —— Rich jj ( talk) 07:02, 2 June 2019 (UTC)
I have again replied to your last comment. Just FYI. —— Rich jj ( talk) 15:17, 5 June 2019 (UTC)
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Hi @ Doncram:! Thanks for pulling back a few of your corrections on McGrath Cafe and Hotel. The building itself is on the NRHP, but the historic district designation (to which it contributes) is only county-level. If there's a better way to word it to make that clear, I welcome any improvements. Schazjmd ( talk) 14:23, 10 June 2019 (UTC)
Hello. I saw your good work on the recent South Fork Fishing & Hunting Club TALK page, and wondered if you might have a chance to weigh in on this: Talk:Committee for the Re-Election of the President#CREEP Consensus, since I expect that you have a broader perspective on the issue than I. Thank you, in advance, if you could. Lindenfall ( talk) 15:03, 10 June 2019 (UTC)
I am not one of Fram's fan.
He has a poor habit of railroading incompetent/quasi-competent editors, working in good-faith by focusing on entirely legitimate but often minor issues while continually subjecting him/her to extraordinarily high levels of scrutiny. Add to that, an over-ordinary dosage of sanctions, while he continues to badger the editor with issues about editing (and to be fair, how (s)he can improve them). AFAIS, he is rarely wrong on the technicalities and stays well clear of any bright-line tool-abuse but this behavior does have the potential of being (very easily) perceived as harassment by the subject.
When one makes 5 edits a day and logs in, the very next morning to see 3 messages over your t/p from the same user (who has already posted 15 more, up above) pointing out mistakes in your work, most won't react favorably irrespective of the validity of the raised concerns.
This behavior is not optimal.
But, I understand the place, where he comes from and that he is not a random internet troll who goes on harassing people, for the sadistic pleasure of it. He wholly intends for the betterment of encyclopedia and knows that he can be a jerk, at times.
I edit in one of the most volatile areas of the encyclopedia and there are editors who continually need to be monitored, for a variety of reasons. But, I know that there are other competent guys out there and often refer to them, if the volume of poor edits keeps on increasing. This actually works better, since the user understands that I am not reverting his edits and warning him, (out of a sheer hate of his username) but because there are legitimate concerns, which are voiced by others too. At the same time, I need to maintain a fine-balance to dispel concerns of tag-teaming.
But at the same time, I think many of the users who Fram dealt with (I tried to deal with one, after taking over from him and that did not go well, at all; that she ended up indeffed soon, is another story) were too incompetent to be here, at the first place and I, for one, don't need to normally deal with such editors, due to mainly working under GS/DS regimes. We are now the 5th most visited website in the world and it's expected that we will insist for a minimal quality and a satisfactory d/dt(learning) from new users; you shall not expect to be mollycoddled. I have seen some of the comments by others over Laura's page (where Fram displayed roughly same behavior) and regrettably, they were distinctly one sided, choosing to entirely ignore that Fram was voicing valid concerns. ( Ymblanter shall be praised though, for his moderated approach over there.)
Now, from what I've seen, Fram has improved over the last year (sans the outburst at ArbCom, which is not harassment, by any reasonable definition of thh word) but shall there be an ArbCom case against him, I will ask for some tailored sanctions like those applied in the GSMan case, who had his own problems.
Bullying and harassment are real issues but there's no black and white territory in these regions and we need to work for a compromise, encompassing everyone who is here for the betterment of the encyclopedia. That almost none from WMF T&S knows much about our editing cultures (I have talked with some and they are extraordinarily clueless about finer aspects) compounds the probability of their understanding being incorrect, in controversial cases. I agree with much of what DGG/Sandstein has written and that community processes are not optimal. But, despite whatever might be the scenario, WMF's holier than thou approach coupled with callous statements from board-chairs ain't going to resolve these issues, except making it worse. ∯WBG converse 07:45, 13 June 2019 (UTC)
Thank you for your thoughtful insights on the Fram matter. Nicely stated. The problem of bullying people to death over minutae instead of mentoring is a huge problem and the unspoken “elephant in the living room” of this whole shitstorm. Montanabw (talk) 05:49, 14 June 2019 (UTC)
Hello again. Could you please review my new edits at Confederate Private Monument after User:Another Believer's and let me know if you would rephrase them? I want to make sure they are neutral as I don't want to get framed. Some people might think this is a forbidden topic. But if it's fine for the Washington Post to report the vandalism, surely we should be free to do so as well? Thanks! Zigzig20s ( talk) 23:22, 19 June 2019 (UTC)
Updates: I've been focusing largely on the development side of things, so we are a lot closer now to being ready to actually start discussing deploying it and testing it out here.
There's just a few things left that need to be resolved:
Some other stuff that's happened in the meantime:
Until next time,
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On 23 June 2019, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article Barr Terrace, which you recently created, substantially expanded, or brought to good article status. The fact was ... that both Mueller and Barr can be found in Lincoln, Nebraska? You are welcome to check how many page hits the article got while on the front page ( here's how, Barr Terrace), and it may be added to the statistics page if the total is over 5,000. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.
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On 23 June 2019, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article Mueller Tower, which you recently created, substantially expanded, or brought to good article status. The fact was ... that both Mueller and Barr can be found in Lincoln, Nebraska? You are welcome to check how many page hits the article got while on the front page ( here's how, Mueller Tower), and it may be added to the statistics page if the total is over 5,000. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.
— Amakuru ( talk) 00:02, 23 June 2019 (UTC)
So I noticed you thanked me for R.A. Clement School. I saw an incorrect article in the Salisbury Post and in the process of investigating to see if was actually "R.A. Clement School" instead of "Cleveland School" that was named to the NRHP, I just went ahead and created the article, figuring it was notable.
I was in Haywood County, North Carolina last week and after walking past Hazelwood School I decided to check to see what needs improving about Folkmoot USA, to which I have added all substantial content, prior to some major edits last year that I didn't know about. The person hasn't edited lately and the article has been tagged (by someone who has not been active lately), but I wanted some advice about what to do about those edits. My opinions are now at Talk:Folkmoot USA. Some are about the building which may or may not be notable. Others are about the organization.— Vchimpanzee • talk • contributions • 18:39, 25 June 2019 (UTC)
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Under WP:CIVIL, "(e) quoting another editor out of context to give the impression they hold views they do not hold, or to malign them". That is what I thought of when you posted that original comment. My issues are WP:N and WP:V. I'm not trying to start another argument, but I am just trying to make it clearer to you. I don't like essays, but I wouldn't have even responded to your keep vote if you didn't make that second comment. SL93 ( talk) 01:20, 15 July 2019 (UTC)
thanks for your comment. by working on the pictures, I have found and fixed several errors, added pictures to articles and county lists, created categories and added the commonscat to the county lists. creating new articles is too time consuming and I need source material to adequately make something useful. I prefer to just use 30 minutes of my time doing something mindless and relaxing. Einbierbitte ( talk) 20:00, 25 July 2019 (UTC)
Doncram, you are an expert in historical buildings, and formatting and infoboxes. Could you have a quick look at this article, to see if there's anything that can do with a quick formatting improvement, to bring it in line with our guidelines for such articles? I'm not asking you to look at writing, for instance, because that is what the student will be graded on, although maybe you have some pointers about layout and sections and things like that. Thank you so much for your help!
Oh, at some point I might ask you to have a look at User:Kt rogers/Grove Court Apartments, and that one is on the national registry--I know you know all the infobox stuff for that--but the student hasn't moved it to mainspace yet. ( User:Kt rogers, our clock is ticking...) Do you think it's ready? Thanks, Dr Aaij ( talk) 16:39, 26 July 2019 (UTC)
Getting quite close to finishing National Register of Historic Places listings in Santa Cruz County, Arizona. This is quite interesting. Zigzig20s ( talk) 20:35, 26 July 2019 (UTC)
Mexicall was a locality in Mexico, located across the Mexico-United States border from Calexico, California. In 1914, it was inhabited by Mexicans, Indians, Japanese, Chinese, and Germans. [1] Because of World War I, it raised suspicions from the United States authorities, who believed the Germans were using the location to spread their propaganda on the radio. [1]
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Instead of calling someone a ruinator, perhaps a hand in getting this article up to an acceptable state? It's a horrific example of misplaced scope and balance that includes tons of information about the family does not belong on an entry about the historic property. If a reader was that interested in the family, there is a dedicated wiki about state history where that information is more appropriate. Sounder Bruce 00:05, 28 July 2019 (UTC)
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Doncram, requesting your assistance. I am cautious about making edits within the article, Church Of The Creator, and talk page, but not here. As previously advised my edits are primarily quotations from other sources, with verifiable references and relevant. Intent to better Wikipedia, fact based verifiable information.
I offer an overview for consideration, as a party of interested and involved participant, in what makes this organization “notable” in Wikipedia terms. The principle, standing up for “rights,” through the practice, “action,” using civil law, Trademark Infringement litigation is becoming more notable, more important as an example, than when it was when the Complaint was first filed. Without intent to do so, unlike the IRS looking into Al Capone tax evasion, there was such reaction, threats of death, malintent directed to shut down the litigation, that the truth, true nature of everyone involved was exposed. Today people are in the streets chanting “do something” relative the increasing boldness, acts of violence directed at innocent victims of hate/fear based bigotry, bullies by whatever name they are given. Everyone is being called to find their part, “stand up for their rights” in every arena of life. Find the answer to “what can I do, to make a difference?” The example of the principles, practices, applied in the Trademark Litigation, the outcome, collateral accountability, “ripple effect” are an example that not everyone likes to hear about, let alone find published online, more specifically within Wikipedia. This overview, offered discernment, is my opinion.
As a Wikipedian, while reviewing the Article, Church Of The Creator page for possible addition, edits adding new graphics, I noticed a trend of “tagging” the page, tag removal, and immediate new tags appear. The recent tags seem to relate to personal opinion, “reading like an advertisement” and/or “COI” “advert” “news release” “original research/synthesis of primary sources.”
I am asking for review, as a possible violation of Wikipedia policy, not to offer an opinion, but did do considerable reading before asking you.
On the talk page, “Article issues Per my recent tagging: The ® Trademark litigation and "Ripple Effect" section in particular is largely original research/synthesis of primary sources. The article is written more like an organizational website than a neutral encyclopedia article. Seriously, it goes out of its way to call another organization racist. That's a little much. creffett (talk) 00:31, 15 July 2019 (UTC)”
And edit history, “curprev 18:24, 30 January 2019 Closeapple talk contribs 20,727 bytes +71 Added {{ COI}} and {{ news release}} tags to article (TW) undo” “curprev 03:03, 24 May 2019 Closeapple talk contribs 20,674 bytes +25 Added {{ advert}} tag to article (TW) undo”
As I review the Trademark litigation and “Ripple Effect” section, the content is mostly quotes from other sources, organizations, Judges within the US Courts, Judicial Opinion, court orders, after due process. I do not see anyone calling other organizations “racist” only facts that relate directly to the Trademark Litigation, as the source of the ripples.
I am reluctant to make any further edits at this point, graphic additions or otherwise. Best Regards. Michael S. Legions ( talk) 18:46, 16 August 2019 (UTC)
Doncram, I now have a better understanding of why I was feeling such an urgency to request the above review today. I just logged back into Wikipedia, to see if you had seen this post. Answer not yet. Then I checked back into Church Of The Creator page. Note the time of my post earlier today. Beginning 21:21 16 August 2019, a series of new edits to Church Of The Creator page by Seraphimblade, They speak for themselves. Thank you for review, all of the above and Wikipedia policy. Michael S. Legions ( talk) 23:34, 16 August 2019 (UTC)
Doncram, Thank you for your review, statement on the talk page, Church Of The Creator. I will wait awhile, to see results of "I can try to take a look at the sources that were there, and see if we can't get something put together in regards to that." Recently, we have republished a book, "GRIDS of Consciousness Unification-Compendium of Living Unity Consciousness", through Amazon, first published in 1984, with new content and graphics, third and fourth editions 2019. This is a "Ministers Handbook," containing the principles and practices of the church. At some point, later, some of the graphics, principles, practices, may be of assistance to Wikipedia readers. Your comments make it clear and are available to any user who wants to know what is at issue here. Your comments, stand up for our rights, as an advocate of truth, within the universe of Wikipedia, count and are appreciated. Most consciousness that is beyond the box of the past and present, "...was more or less indecipherable." at the time. That is good company and a clear indicator that change is at hand, for all of us living on planet earth. Thank you for finding your part and acting. Keep up the good/God works! Michael S. Legions ( talk) 13:14, 17 August 2019 (UTC)
Follow Up: Doncram - I am requesting assistance in review of the last changes to the Wikipedia Article “Church of the Creator.” I plead guilty to being a periodic editor, however, deleted edits, as you pointed out, are from a perspective of good intent, enhancing the goals of what I understand to be the founding principle of Wikipedia “Imagine a world in which every single person on the planet is given free access to the sum of all human knowledge. That's what we're doing.”
Acting on opinions, negative tags, between August 5 - August 17, 2019, 16073 bytes of 20,732 bytes were deleted from the article, as “word salad,” or “more or less indecipherable” from the perspective of the editor. That is about 76% of what was providing knowledge relative this specific organization, what makes it “notable” different from other organizations that may seem at first glance similar.
Most of what George D. Chryssides found to distinguish this organization from others was deleted beginning line 33. Chryssides is a noted academic, quoting Wikipedia “Chryssides has a particular interest in new religious movements, on which he has published extensively.” What he has to say about “membership,” “Divine Right Order” are specific to this organization, knowledge he felt as an expert, sufficiently different to warrant inclusion in his publication as referenced. The same can be said for the rest of the deletions, in particular the quotations from court opinions. All of which are relevant to humanities current review of what is fake, what is truth, and who is wearing sheep clothing, but not a sheep. Racism, bigotry, propaganda, pretending to be one thing, while actually doing the polar opposite, are front and center, as they were within the Trademark Litigation, the “Ripple effect” now being sorted out most specifically in the United States Of America. The deleted material is relevant, as an example of what can happen when we stand up to bullies, take action, stand up for our rights. Living those principles can have far reaching affects. That knowledge previously provided Wikipedia users is not gone, but buried within the multiple take downs of this article.
I am again posting to your page because I do not want to enter into a personality analysis of editors. It may be relevant to consider “I am an atheist and secular humanist” personal view may find the writings of religious scholars or judges to be a large helping of “word salad.” I understand that. I also find that somewhere in there “Seraphimblade” has chosen a user name of an order of Angelic Being coupled with a sword, or element of a Justice Being. I appreciate the paradox; hot or cold, belief followed by action brings change. I did not know where to engage you and “Seraphimblade” together, so please feel free to share this with him, place on the article talk page, as you choose, or not.
I am asking for follow up editing, as stated, “I can try to take a look at the sources that were there, and see if we can't get something put together in regards to that.” Seraphimblade Talk to me 01:17, 17 August 2019 (UTC)
Part of what needs to be understood is that the organization TE-TA-MA Truth Foundation-Family Of URI, Inc. and Church Of The Creator® is not a local group of people building another congregation from the ground up. It is an extension on our planet, one of many organizations, part of the ongoing support from unseen authorities that are commissioned within the Programs of the Office Of The Christ, Restoration and Redemptive Programs, restoring our planet and humanity to the Divine Blueprint. We are delivering a message of quantum change forecast by multiple traditions and wisdom teaching that are affecting all of us, individually and collectively. New expressions, like Wikipedia as one example.
The best single reference I can recommend to enhance knowledge of the greater picture and plan is not referenced as notable in Wikipedia, but, I would that someone do so. Here is the link https://keysofenoch.org/teachings/overview/
I look forward to see what revisions can be done to replace the deleted 16073 bytes of knowledge deleted. Thanks for your effort to make Wikipedia what it is intended to be. Michael S. Legions ( talk) 15:51, 11 October 2019 (UTC)
Thank you for the quick follow up. I saw the post on the Church of the Creator talk page, appreciate the multiple accounts and editing policy. I have considerable posts on the Church of the Creator article/talk page providing perspective, history relative the organization. I hesitate to get into Wikipedia policy, editor personality or other matters that do no directly provide information on the organization, hence the communication here, and your review is appreciated. Michael S. Legions ( talk) 18:50, 11 October 2019 (UTC)
Doncram, Today I received a request via my persoal email that speaks for itself, is relevant to your multiple account discernment's, exact quote. "I received an e-mail from Wikipedia saying that Doncram had mentioned me (Green Irish Eyes) as a one-time editor. Could you please let him know that I created a second account because I had trouble getting logged back in using the original Bohemian Gal account? As it is, I’m having trouble getting logged in with the NEW account <*sighs*>, else I’d do it myself. You can also let him know that, for the record, I have no intention of doing any more editing – it’s simply too irksome." That should help clarify any issue with those two accounts. Michael S. Legions ( talk) 20:11, 12 October 2019 (UTC)
FYI, schedule from October 19 until December 7, other commitments, includes travel and limited internet availability prohibiting participation within Wikipedia discussion, communications. Plan is to review and continue participation on completion of commitments made. Best Regards. Michael S. Legions ( talk) 10:34, 18 October 2019 (UTC)
Images for Church Of The Creator. Today I uploaded and posted link on TALK:Church of the Creator, 4 Illustrations for the article, link to a image that may support discussion, revisions to Article. Michael S. Legions ( talk) 12:40, 21 October 2019 (UTC)
Doncram I hope 2020 finds you doing well. My schedule is still fairly full, and after my review of the current “discussion” relative “Article Issues” Church of The Creator article, it doesn’t see that there is much interest, discussion still limited to those who tagged paged, then cut the content, you and I.
After some further looking around today, I was going to invite User:CJcurrie, but the user talk page is protected so that only administrators can edit it and I am not sure how to invite this administrator to enter the discussion, or if that is appropriate. /info/en/?search=User:CJCurrie
I am asking you to review User:CJCurrie, and if you agree that this Administrator might have a perspective worth adding to the discussion, please invite to review, participate in discussion and or edit the article.
I found the User in various edits associated to Human Rights pages. Thank you. Michael S. Legions ( talk) 21:19, 18 January 2020 (UTC)
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I saw your comment here at deletion page. I think it was in the satire and ambiguous. Can you please expand your comment with rationale or give your opinion for deletion? — Harshil want to talk? 12:59, 7 September 2019 (UTC)
Hello Doncram,
Instead of reaching a magic 300 as it once did last year, the backlog approaching 6,000 is still far too high. An effort is also needed to ensure that older unsuitable older pages at the back of the queue do not get automatically indexed for Google.
A proposal is taking place here to confirm a nominated user as Coordinator of NPR.
Why I Hate Speedy Deleters, a 2008 essay by long since retired Ballonman, is still as valid today. Those of us who patrol large numbers of new pages can be forgiven for making the occasional mistake while others can learn from their 'beginner' errors. Worth reading.
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Revisit courthouse disambiguation pages trashed in early 2019, including some/many within this contributions list of edits by User:Station1. Including Brown County Courthouse, Polk County Courthouse, addressed so far, where valid Wikipedia redlinks were deleted and/or where location information was nonsensically deleted. Station1, what the heck were you thinking? -- Doncram ( talk) 01:21, 20 September 2019 (UTC)
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We don't have an article on this place. It looks like a grand building, but was torn down after only 20 years. Site of several national political conventions, so must be notable. Just mentioning in case you want to start this, or know of someone who might have an interest in non-NRHP Chicago. MB 02:05, 22 September 2019 (UTC)
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Hello, a week after your last edit and help on the STC Municipal Building page, User Nikkimaria deleted information from the popular culture section again and despite me trying to reason and incorporate their contributions as constructive, they are giving me the feeling they are editing the page in an attack-type fashion trying to win an argument or something. They have flagged the popular culture section again as needing better sources needing to be removed despite our discussion not supporting this. I have never encountered anything like this before on Wikipedia and don't know what to do. Nikkimaria seems to be attempting to push the page into an edit war, and to say the least, it takes away from the enjoyment of working on the subject. VerVynck ( talk) 13:38, 24 September 2019 (UTC)
Hi, Doncram. You may not have carefully studied the v2 proposal at WT:SIA. I believe that v2 does not allow long indiscriminate made-up lists --- either the topic has to be notable, or each item has to be notable, or the list must be complete and shorter than 32k. All three criteria must be supported by 1 or more RS.
Can you think of an example that would be a valid SIA (list of items of the same type and the same name), that fulfills the v2 criteria, but would be bad? I'm open to feedback and changes, but I'd like to see a concrete example of a failure mode. — hike395 ( talk) 03:30, 25 September 2019 (UTC)
I was looking at James Hinton House which is one of 20-30 in the Missouri Lumber and Mining Company Historic Resources MPS. The MPS is linked as a ref in this article. The county list shows each house has its own refnum. My reading of our article on MPS (section of National Register of Historic Places) seems to say each property should have its own nomination form. So should there be a nomination form for this place, or maybe the formal procedure isn't always followed and there is just the MPS? MB 02:53, 26 September 2019 (UTC)
Greetings. NRHP credits the Lake County Courthouse in Crown Point, Indiana to a J. C. Cochran. I searched a bunch and I can't tell if this is a misspelling or alternate spelling of John C. Cochrane? A further wrinkle is that I am finding sources that say Cochrame was born in 1833 but his article says 1835. I find sources for an architect names Cochran and for Cochrane. Basically, I am now confused. Are there two different architects with similar names? One architect whose name gets spelled different ways? NRHP tool didn't help me sort it out. Thanks for any clarification and resolution you can provide. FloridaArmy ( talk) 16:19, 28 September 2019 (UTC)
the County Court had visited Crown Point, Indiana, to view another courthouse designed by Cochran. (The Lake County Courthouse, listed on the National Register of Historic Places, is of the same plan as the Saline County Courthouse.)". Could you please add a note at wp:NRIS info issues MO and, with that, proceed to make appropriate changes in the courthouse article and the architect article? -- Doncram ( talk) 16:54, 28 September 2019 (UTC)
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Hi Doncram, I reverted your edit to Lincoln Middle School. Disambiguation pages are supposed to help readers find existing articles, so non-article entries and class times aren't helpful for navigation. Leschnei ( talk) 17:52, 8 October 2019 (UTC)
I do prefer to be contacted at my user talk page, though I know I don't always respond. While writing a response telling you the Clarkston Tithing Granary is gone, I found it had been moved. The coordinates 41°55′05.5″N 112°02′50″W point (on Google Maps) directly to a bare patch of dirt between two houses on the street that is now known as 100 South (evidently Clarkston uses a local street grid nowadays instead of the county-wide one the property was listed with), but on the Street View (dated July 2013) you can see the roof of the granary above some bushes there. That's where our photo was taken in 2016. The granary's not there anymore; it was moved on September 8, 2018 (according to this news story among others). It's already showing at its new location on Google Maps; the new address is given as 88 W. Center St., and I make the coordinates 41°55′11.75″N 112°03′11″W. Thanks for asking; I love making this kind of discovery. HTH, Ntsimp ( talk) 10:07, 14 October 2019 (UTC)
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After getting a lot of dead links trying to access Arkansas nom forms, I realized today that several years ago, the forms for Arkansas moved
from: url=http://www.arkansaspreservation.com/!userfiles/pdf file name
to: url=http://www.arkansaspreservation.com/National-Register-Listings/PDF/pdf file name
I was able to use AWB to go through about 2850 Arkansas articles and correct the url to the current location. I found about 1100 articles with the old style url, so now we have 1100 more articles with working references to the nom form (in most cases, the only ref in the article except for NRIS. MB 04:26, 21 October 2019 (UTC)
Mormons love ancestry and local history. This is a great state for Wikipedia editing. For example the Moab LDS Church could easily be expanded into a C-class article, if not more. But in a way this makes it less fun than trying to unearth censored history in the South... Zigzig20s ( talk) 23:43, 26 October 2019 (UTC)
I see this every time I go by on I-75. I went up there in the 1980s and took photos. But those photos are stored somewhere. I'll get there to take photos sometime. The article has five sentences (in four paragraphs), each starting with "it" - this needs to be consolidated. Bubba73 You talkin' to me? 01:00, 31 October 2019 (UTC)
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Is this for articles with only the NRIS ref, or all articles missing a ref to the nomination? For example, Burwell School. MB 03:42, 6 November 2019 (UTC)
I didn't think we were arguing at all, but I did sense we weren't communicating too well on this one. That is why I was trying to go one step at a time. "Talking" this way isn't a good form of communication. I didn't want to repurpose the category, and I thought that the text I added was general and vague enough that all the articles that were there clearly fit. I'm sorry you felt it was better to "walk away".
Did you see the definition of "crow-stepped" over at the RM? MB 06:44, 10 November 2019 (UTC)
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You commented on my deletion nom for Myrtle Beach Convention Center and I just wanted to make it clear that I was acting in good faith on my nom (you weren't suggesting I was, but I just wanted to make it clear). I messed up there (more in comment on nom). Thanks for the constructive feedback, feedback is the best way to learn. Thanks, Hog Farm ( talk) 04:11, 26 November 2019 (UTC)
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Greetings. I noticed you moved the school in Louisiana to a separate page and redirected this page to a list of all Rosenwald schools. Do you think a disambig page at that name listing the schools that actually went by this name and also including a link to the list article might be better? I was interested in the one in Panama City (actually there are two, an original one and an unrelated new one of the same name). I find the individual schools get lost in a redirect to a list of all Rosenwald funded schools that went by various names. FloridaArmy ( talk) 00:22, 10 December 2019 (UTC)
I was thinking something along the linesof Draft:Rosenwald High School. I will see where the extant one in Panama City can be included so there's a link that is policy compliant. FloridaArmy ( talk) 01:23, 10 December 2019 (UTC)
That list isn't remotely complete, and I have no idea what criteria it assumes for "notability". Just previewing former high schools.in Louisiana I see Rosedale Rosenwald High School, New Roads Rosenwald High School, and Rosenwald Rosenwald-Covington High School. Which is why I don't think a redirect to the list article is adequate. FloridaArmy ( talk) 01:25, 10 December 2019 (UTC)
Also this NRHP draft was denied approval if you'd be willing to help. Thanks. FloridaArmy ( talk) 00:24, 10 December 2019 (UTC)
Yes, my interest arose from the man who was a prominent lawyer and politican. He founded Draft:Kinkeadtown. Trying to sort out one George Blackburn Kinkead from.another actually arose from trying to figure out who the alumni of Draft:Pisgah Academy were. So it was all a bit of a can of worms. And trying to work between drafts instead of articles is quite a bit more difficult because direct links aren't possible. I do the best I can. I am not an expert on every tool. FloridaArmy ( talk) 01:39, 10 December 2019 (UTC)
Certainly the article needs expanding on the architecture and history as well.as.coverage of the arts center. For what it's worth it's not at all clesr to me the home should be named.for Kinkead because he was born in 1849 and I thought.the home was.built.around then. And I really can't tell if there.is a connection between the two Kinkeads. It gets quite confusing and many sources.inckuding the center itself.mix up the two men. That's one of the reasons I think it's helpful.to cover them. Ome was anti-secession, pro-slavery, pro-colonization of freed slaves back to Africa. The younger one helped establish an African American community post Civil War. Oh and the older one was a lawyer for Abraham Lincoln. So there's a lot going on. FloridaArmy ( talk) 01:43, 10 December 2019 (UTC)
But the elder Kinkead seems like he may have lived in the same area too. Walnut was it? But now MLK? So it's a bit muddled for me. And I can't remember now if the NRHP doc was muddled too. I think it might have been. So I was just trying to establish some basics. FloridaArmy ( talk) 01:45, 10 December 2019 (UTC)
Hi Doncram, thank you for your reply that you sent to me in September. This is Jennifer Hardy. It's been a few months that I haven't been checking my Wikipedia messages after my article was removed. I'm still a bit new at communicating by using Wikipedia. My stage name "Jennifer Hardy CK" was up on the film "Spice It Up" Wikipedia page playing as the lead, my name was also up on the film "The Intestine" Wikipedia page, and my name was up on "Vancouver Film Critics Circle Award for Best Actress in a Canadian Film" Wikipedia page. I tried making my own article and had a helper to help me out but was hard to understand the rules well so it ended up being removed. I can't seem to find where it is now on Wikipedia but my article some how appeared in other links. If you go on google and type Jennifer Hardy CK Cloudpedia, that link looks just like my deleted article. If my article doesn't have enough sources, then I might have to wait for some years if I end up finding any new sources. -- Aalamina ( talk) 05:55, 11 Dec 2019 (UTC)
Re Not so, not about lakes, not about lots of things
Yes so, WP:5P1. Spinning Spark 13:32, 14 December 2019 (UTC)
Hi! I just came across the above article that appears to be a partial duplication of Elsinore White Rock Schoolhouse?
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There was an architect in Washington state, A.H. Albertson or Albert H. Albertson that designed several NRHP building and doesn't have an article. Isn't there a list somewhere to track people we need articles for? I can't find it. MB 04:54, 28 December 2019 (UTC)
Discussion is at Talk:Golden Triangle, Denver. MB 21:50, 28 December 2019 (UTC)
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On 1 January 2020, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article Priestly's Hydraulic Ram, which you recently created, substantially expanded, or brought to good article status. The fact was ... that Priestly's Hydraulic Ram in Gooding County, Idaho, pumped water uphill with no moving parts? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Priestly's Hydraulic Ram. You are welcome to check how many page hits the article got while on the front page ( here's how, Priestly's Hydraulic Ram), and it may be added to the statistics page if the total is over 5,000. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.
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I am about ready to ask you not to ever post on my Talk page again. Please don't be a pest. However, I will reply to your post here about what I consider to be some non-controversial edits removing promotional link and removing padding/duplication in an article. My response: The right place to discuss content of that article is at its Talk page, Talk:Bachelor Lake (Brown County, Minnesota), where i did open a discussion section for you to express your opinion. -- Doncram ( talk) 23:49, 1 January 2020 (UTC)
Category:Shotgun architecture in Tennessee, which you created, has been nominated for possible deletion, merging, or renaming. A discussion is taking place to decide whether this proposal complies with the categorization guidelines. If you would like to participate in the discussion, you are invited to add your comments at the category's entry on the categories for discussion page. Thank you. Rathfelder ( talk) 18:21, 4 January 2020 (UTC)
Do you think this arcchitect is notable? FloridaArmy ( talk) 19:42, 6 January 2020 (UTC)
You have redirected all of the lakes of Brown county Minn. I have reverted these redirects. We need discussion and or an AfD before these redirects. Esp after your controversial redirect on Bachelor Lake Lightburst ( talk) 23:40, 10 January 2020 (UTC)
Hello! I saw some of the Presby church list work you were doing yesterday and it looks like a big job. You could make this into a series of very big jobs if you wanted to. I'm almost sure all the big denominations have similar lists or at least historical societies or archives. I don't know where the Catholic churches would be hidden, but check out if there are Methodist, Episcopalian, Lutheran, ...., Mennonite, Moravian. Reformed probably has one also. The 2 Presbyterian books are pretty old, say 1960s or 1980s. Each site has a page but it is mostly taken up with a photo. Maybe 1-3 short paragraphs of text. I was looking at the map on the Presby website yesterday. If you hover on the red markers, some text appears - it might just be that text - pretty short. I have both volumes of the Presby histories, but where are they now? Who knows!
The reformed/Presby connection was fairly strong early in their histories as far as I can tell (also Puritan/Congregationalists were related as well) . Basically Reformed were mostly Dutch Calvinists and Presbys were Scottish Calvinists. Reformed has drifted away from that, perhaps a long time ago and are most UEB (United Evangelical Brethren ?) if I remember correctly.
Do check the Presbyterian Church photos I uploaded. They wanted me to be very conservative about copyright and I'm sure that most of the 100 kb pix on that map are mostly out of copyright. All I was allowed to upload was pre-1923 postcards, but many were published without copyrights, or I couldn't get a date, or the photo was definitely pre-1923 by look, but when was it printed? Also almost nobody ever renewed these copyrights, but I'd have to check, so that wasn't allowed.
Good luck.
Smallbones( smalltalk) 19:28, 13 January 2020 (UTC)
It's perfectly acceptable to open multiple AfDs on related articles without waiting for each one to finish. I felt that Congregational Churches in Leicester and List of Baptist churches in Leicester were fairly different enough from Methodist Churches in Leicester and each other (based on having "list" in the article name and number of notable entries) to not bundle them together, which WP:MULTIAFD suggests only for clear-cut cases.
I agree that the copying of comments is disruptive, which is why I objected to the behavior in one of the discussions (but also felt it necessary to refute the duplicated comments in the other discussion). However, your bolded note at the top of each AfD suggests that you find the actual opening of multiple AfDs disruptive – I strongly disagree with that and there is no consensus that having three open AfDs for three articles, regardless of similarity, is disruptive.
I'd also suggest that you remove the bolded diatribe at the end of the notice, since it contains accusations of improper procedures to which one can only respond by doing the very thing you are protesting : pasting the same response to the accusation across all three AfDs. — MarkH21 talk 05:50, 14 January 2020 (UTC)
I personally consider this disruptive/wasteful of editor attention, and it is worse because notice was not given. I suppose all comments here should be copied to the others and vice versa? Why not just let one AFD be settled, first. Please do not open any more.at the top of the discussion, not the rest of the notice. Remove it. — MarkH21 talk 06:12, 14 January 2020 (UTC)
But there is already cogent argument in the Methodist one that "Merge" is a viable option, and there is no way it should be outright deleted, and same applies to other ones. You do not see that.: My very first contribution to any of these discussions and still-standing !vote at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Methodist Churches in Leicester is merge. My view on the other two articles was deletion. — MarkH21 talk 06:59, 14 January 2020 (UTC)
How can you argue that the discussion should happen at just one of the two new AFDs, which you appear to do?: Then you misunderstand what I was saying. My point was that the editor would make comment X on AfD A. I refute (or even point out a mistake that the editor later agrees with) X on AfD A in comment Y. Then the editor copies comment X to AfD B without acknowledging any of the arguments in Y, forcing me to write Y on B again. I wasn't saying that discussion should only happen at only one of the AfDs; rather, to evolve the discussion at both naturally without copying comments over verbatim.— MarkH21 talk 06:59, 14 January 2020 (UTC)
Note you are yourself judgmental about User:Djflem in one or more of the AFDs. I don't think you can remove all that now, there was substantial interaction which should stay in the record.I never requested or made any attempt to remove any of the interaction. — MarkH21 talk 06:59, 14 January 2020 (UTC)
But you are not in position to make demands that others remove some mild judgement about your behavior, which caused all this anyhow, when you have done same.I am not asking that you entirely remove the judgment (in the sense of a personal attack / erasing it from the entire discussion), but to move it (e.g. to the bottom of the AfD). It's improper to place conduct accusations glaringly in bold at the top of each discussion and expect or demand that no response be made in the same public venue. I think it would be better if it was just moved, but otherwise I'll just place a short response underneath the comment. — MarkH21 talk 06:59, 14 January 2020 (UTC)
But, User:MarkH21, if you really do feel the judgemental part of my comment really should be removed, I wouldn't mind if we got a third opinion or otherwise compromise somehow. Do you want to suggest someone we could agree upon to serve as a judge on this matter? To make a more concrete proposal, I dunno, User:DGG happens to be the deletion nominator in another ongoing AFD that I just commented in, and they would likely be looking at these, and they are a very experienced administrator and have been an arbitrator several times. I have sometimes agreed, sometimes disagreed with them in other AFDs and interactions. If they read the above, and think it would be better to modify that bolded notice in the AFDs ( Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Methodist Churches in Leicester, Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Congregational Churches in Leicester, and Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of Baptist churches in Leicester), I would be fine with their doing so. DGG, could you consider that? I don't think doing so should prevent DGG from commenting/voting separately. -- Doncram ( talk) 06:53, 14 January 2020 (UTC)
opening multiple afds in succession is disruptiveis ambiguous, so perhaps a minor clarification in case there is confusion (and @ Doncram: please correct if I'm wrong): Doncram suggested that opening multiple related AfDs so that they are open at the same time is disruptive and to instead open them "in succession" so that at most one is open at any given time. — MarkH21 talk 07:14, 14 January 2020 (UTC)
clear-cutis a decent restriction).I also agree about mentioning related AfDs in the nomination if possible; I forgot in this case and I agree that doing so would have been courteous.On the difficulty of
how one deletion nominator can predict how discussion will goand multiple concurrent AfDs: I understand your reasoning but I disagree that it should be necessary or even customary. Editors should only nominate articles for deletion if they firmly believe that it should actually be deleted. Having similar AfDs open at the same time is also more efficient in that there is consistency from a similar body of editors looking at the AfDs in the same time frame if they are not drawn out over several weeks and editors do not have to re-analyze similar articles after leaving the frame of thinking / forgetting about the old AfDs. The concept of "learning" from each in a sequence of related AfDs isn't really present if there are different editors looking at them, if precedence doesn't matter, and if there is already a wealth of past articles that cover the whole gamut of nominated article types.Looking at these articles as they were when I nominated them ( Congregational churches in Leicester, List of Baptist churches in Leicester), I found no referenced material worth merging (and I still think that is true of the current state) and a clear violation of WP:NOTDIR#6. The only case for making a merge is if someone adds enough merge-able content during the actual timeline of the AfD, which is independent of the concurrency of the related AfDs. — MarkH21 talk 07:52, 14 January 2020 (UTC)
@ Doncram and DGG: While the above discussion is now largely focused on just the general question about sequential AfDs since the hatting solved the main original issue, I'd like to ask for some assistance regarding the three AfDs. Particularly at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Congregational Churches in Leicester (and Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of Baptist churches in Leicester), I feel like I'm banging my head against a wall here (it looks like Reywas92 does too). Particularly with the accusations here, I feel like I'm talking to an endless WP:IDHT wall that's directly contradicting policy... in the name of policy.
Distancing yourself from your actual views on the AfD decision, do either of you have advice here? Discussing with the editor on the AfD has clearly stopped being productive a long time ago. I suppose I should just stop engaging the editor to avoid further escalation; otherwise I'll keep taking the bait and the outcome of further discussion isn't going to help anyone. — MarkH21 talk 11:48, 14 January 2020 (UTC)
Looking at these articles as they were when I nominated them (Congregational churches in Leicester, List of Baptist churches in Leicester), I found no referenced material worth merging (and I still think that is true of the current state) and a clear violation of WP:NOTDIR#6. The only case for making a merge is if someone adds enough merge-able content during the actual timeline of the AfD, which is independent of the concurrency of the related AfDs.) you are simply wrong. That is NOT how AFDs work. You appear not to have performed wp:BEFORE, yourself, and you are arguing that only the current condition of the article is what matters. That is NOT so. If others establish solidly or if a majority judgment is that sources are likely to exist, then the article should be kept. wp:AFDISNOTFORCLEANUP. Your arguments are clearly "AFDISFORCLEANUP", which is WRONG. You have gotten a lot of attention here, and received the pretty unusual/huge benefit of having someone (me) back down and be really nice offering to allow myself to be overruled, and collapsing my own comment. That is highly unusual. With respect to Djflem and otherwise, you are pushing it and are, i think, hypocritical. Back off, I advise. At this point, a lot of leeway ought to be given to Djflem, instead, and not yourself. -- Doncram ( talk) 15:35, 14 January 2020 (UTC)
Then draftify it and work on it. You’re applying essays on wiki philosophies, whereas notability guidelines and WP:NOT policies suggest that the list article shouldn’t exist.That is judgmental and wrong, IMHO; guidelines and policies go the other way, in my own pretty strong opinion. Let others speak. -- Doncram ( talk) 15:48, 14 January 2020 (UTC)
you have now collapsed a lot that includes decent points made by Djflem presumably because you judge they are invalid, i.e. that it is now collapsed for the purpose of hiding the comments, is absolutely incorrect as I explicitly said here on the AfD talk page before (with the boxes now not autocollapsed with which Djflem seems to not have had a problem). It's amazing that you don't find any issue with the conduct of Djflem here.Regardless, the conduct, discussion, and policy arguments have been made repeatedly on the AfDs and nothing productive will come out of any more discussion that any of the three of us have with each other so you are correct that I should stop commenting. I have neutrally posted links to the three AfDs on the WikiProjects added by Djflem and I will stop discussing with Djflem and you about these AfDs (except in response to any additional allegations of misconduct). — MarkH21 talk 20:14, 14 January 2020 (UTC) (Minor corrections 22:37, 14 January 2020 (UTC))
(i removed some stuff that was here --doncram)
Hi Doncram:
I was on a long and unplanned hiatus from Wikipedia. Unfortunately I am now longer able to roam around and take photos of NRHP sites as I had planned for 2019. At some point I will look at my photo roll and see if there are any images worth uploading to the commons. I imagine at some point I will create some more articles from the downtown Houston NRHP list. I had created one for the Stowers Building before I left. I had a very nice breakfast one day at the same building while canvassing downtown Houston for photos.
If you are still interested in developing Albert A. Pope and Pope Manufacturing Company to their potential, I would like to take a crack at that sometime this year. I am very knowledgeable about his activities related to the bicycle, but I am lagging in knowledge about his work with the automobile. Of tangential interest, years before I had ever read about Pope, I had taken a random route through the Connecticut River Valley which took me through Ansonia, CT, where Pierre Lallement had tinkered with and tested his prototype for what is arguably the first bicycle. The factory where he had worked still stands. I have seen that factory building, though I did not understand its significance at the time. Now I can look at the Google street views of the area and imagine Lallement struggling to ride his boneshaker along the bluffs of the Connecticut River, while recalling that this machine had no brakes! Best, Oldsanfelipe2 ( talk) 13:21, 15 January 2020 (UTC)
Gooday Doncram - belated Happy New Year. I've been looking at some Commons uploads and thought you'd like to see File:Bray Hill (1904).jpg where the thatched cottage #105 at Registered Buildings of the Isle of Man is well visible ( Gaggle Streetview). To the right the slightly sunken house with the chimneys marked the area of race machine assembly area for the early TTs. To left of the road, on the crest (before the drop down to Quarter Bridge) the tall building is Woodlands Lodge, which demarked the end of the relatively flat area used for the race-start sequence (you have the main house at #190).
Looking at the licensing it's strange, and my favourite WP/Commons admin has been inactive for around nine months, but I'd guess it's not possible to crop a piece out as a separate file showing the thatched cottage. I'll save it to my old computer where I have most of the archived stuff. b rgds,-- Rocknrollmancer ( talk) 20:40, 15 January 2020 (UTC)
This pic shows generally the reverse angle from the 'chimneys' with Bray Hill in the distance. And here is a close up. And here is the reverse-angle close up - the house with bay window and quoin stones is on the corner of Selborne Drive. And here is a reverse-angle longer shot.
I've not looked at this museum site for maybe three years as I have the images saved; there's another I can't find online presently, but you'll get the basics. Enjoy!
-- Rocknrollmancer ( talk) 03:05, 16 January 2020 (UTC)I have moved American Presbyterian/Reformed Historic Sites Registry to Draft:American Presbyterian/Reformed Historic Sites Registry due to the excessive number of errors on the page, specifically disambiguation links. Please note that excessive disambiguation links in a list tend to indicate that other blue links on the list may be pointing to the wrong targets. Please fix all the disambiguation links and check other links for correctness before restoring to mainspace. Cheers! BD2412 T 22:46, 15 January 2020 (UTC)
I found some sources. Take a look at the AFD, may now be a keep. MB 00:06, 16 January 2020 (UTC)
There are two architects named George W. Hellmuth. The Albert Bond Lambert House was built between 1902 and 1903. Your George Hellmuth wasn't born until 1907. However, his father George W. Hellmuth was born in 1870 and died in 1955. http://dynamic.stlouis-mo.gov/history/peopledetail.cfm?Master_ID=2164 Durindaljb ( talk) 06:20, 16 January 2020 (UTC)
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09:22, 20 January 2020 (UTC)it isn't necessary to ping me if I have made a typo in my writing or my usage of categories.
isn't necessary. But when I checked, I found:
Doncram ( block log • active blocks • global blocks • contribs • deleted contribs • filter log • creation log • change block settings • unblock • checkuser ( log))
Request reason:
I dispute the suggestion that I have done anything besides make useful contributions; I have done nothing to deserve being blocked. BHG accuses me of having persisted in doing something repeatedly against consensus and after having been blocked for it by BHG before, which is not accurate. It is hard for me to assume good faith here, but AGF interpretation is that BHG mis-remembers what happened in the previous block.
I find that right now, being blocked, that I do not even have the ability to cite diffs or past versions of articles, because the blocking prevents me from doing so. I can see diffs and past versions of articles, but I cannot see, much less copy-and-paste, the URL-bar links to them. As an immediate matter, could someone please unblock my account so that I can reply more properly to BHGs charges?
What has happened, in my view, is that User:BrownHairedGirl (BHG), an administrator, has acted wrongly, culminating in this block which is in effect an involved block, and is in fact conduct unbecoming for an administrator.
What happened (without diffs because I am blocked from citing them):
Decline reason:
This is over 1500 words. You need to reduce this to around 100 or 200 words. NinjaRobotPirate ( talk) 22:05, 20 January 2020 (UTC)
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zappedDoncram. Merriam-Webster defines zapped as to get rid of, destroy, or kill especially with or as if with sudden force, etc. Using that language to describe a civil notification is WP:BATTLEGROUND conduct.
make up a criminal standard of their own and impose it upon me with no processis utter nonsense in substance, and that fact that it is nonsense has been explained to Doncram many times. As to Doncram's hyperbolic use of the word "criminal" ... sheesh.
BHG did not reply to the discussion on their page that I opened, and instead blocked meis demonstrably false as a matter of fact. I replied at 09:19, and blocked at 09:22.
bots should address any contents of Special:WantedCategoriesis more nonsense. Cleaning up Special:WantedCategories needs human judgement. It can't be done by a bot, which is why a few human editors work long hours cleaning up the mess.
Gee I am sorry I misunderstood the timing of one of their edits; it doesn't change anything here... try to learn a little but of manners. You made a whole set of allegations of misconduct against me, without checking our facts, which is why I used some of my limited time on this earth to disprove a slur which you chose to try to make. When your attempt at a smear is disprove, please have the decency to simply apologise for your error, and not to use sarcasm to claim that your falsehoods and slurs and irrelevant.
BHG is extrapolating wildly from what wp:REDNOT says to assert a time limit and to assert that it must be me who fix any temporary red link i created. There is no extrapolation at all here: WP:REDNOT says don't do it. Expecting others to cleanup after you is classic disruptive editing.
You seem to me to be asserting that the number one issue in Wikipedia is that redlink categories should not exist, over all other priorities. No, of course, this isn't the most important issue on en.wp, not by a very long way. What makes it an issue here is that Doncram's uniquely persistent, and long-term deliberate refusal to follow WP:REDNOT. This endless, intentional repetition of a simple error wastes a lot of time for a lot of other editors: in other words, it's disruptive editing.
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Blocking and not removing this block constitute unacceptable abuse of admin power/tools by the administrator BHG.
1. BHG's decision to block was partially based on their incorrect belief/assertion that I had done what I was blocked for previously (re-creation of a category without new CFD consensus). They cite endorsement by another admin as if their view on the different question here has been supported, which it was not. They have not admitted this or apologized. The fact of their mistake is pretty good reason why they should not insist on continuing the block. They have not admitted this or apologized.
2. Otherwise, we simply have a disagreement. I have explained well enough how and why I operate as I do, which sometimes allows redlink categories into mainspace, while allowing me and cooperating others to specialize and get more and better categorization done. It is not a case of IDHT, it is a case of "i do not believe your assertion about process", where BHG's assertion has not been supported. BHG has not, and I think cannot, point to any real support for their assertion.
Frankly, it is abuse of admin power to decree a rule and enforce it with blocks. I have offered to participate in RFC or other discussion; they show no willingness to discuss and in fact blocked me for my temerity in bringing up the issue at their Talk page. This is not what an admin should do.
About 1: BHG;s reasoning included "that the non-existent Category:Late 19th and 20th Century Revivals architecture in the United States has been repeatedly re-created by you after its deletion by consensus at WP:CFD" and "that I had previously blocked you for trying again to re-populate it: see User talk:Doncram/Archive 29#November_2018" and "that the block was upheld by the reviewing admin User:JBW". That is irrelevant here: JBW did agree with BHG on the issue of my trying to re-establish a previously deleted category, which I had tried to do in part by use of an admin category, intending to accumulate examples and then go to CFD. But after the block I gave up about that and it did not happen again.
About 2: The disagreement between BHG and myself otherwise about how wikipedia works, or should work, in the area of categorizing articles, and BHG or other admin should have recognized that by now, and cancelled the block. BHG is involved, obviously, in the disagreement and should not be enforcing their view. We have disagreed before, in discussion at my Talk and theirs. All they are doing is re-stating their view, and citing a statement which does not address the question. Insulting me by repetition fails to convince me about what are the policies/guidelines/practices associated with process of trying and adding categories. I know for a fact that Wikipedia did not always operate as BHG asserts it does now (as if accidental or purposeful trying of categories is a blockable offense); there was cooperative, natural specialization of editors interested in different aspects of article development. Those who liked creating articles did so, and omitted categories or took a shot at specifying categories and related stub tags. WikiGnomes, notably including User:Pegship about stub categories, chose to address categories and stub tags, and developed their specialization to do so. Multiple creations of redlink categories was considered as evidence that perhaps new categories were needed. Or their familiarity with existing categories allowed them to find existing ones to replace redlink ones. Wikipedia talk:Special:WantedCategories, the Talk page for shows some old evidence of that. Some time back I questioned BHG at their Talk whether it was they who put in the current wording that they cite; they did reply. I looked into it and could find no RFC or other discussion, it seemed that an editor just inserted it without discussion. It did/does not address timing or any idea of punishment/encouragement at all. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Doncram ( talk • contribs) 01:12, 21 January 2020 (UTC)
Decline reason:
Sorry, but this is just another variation of "unblock me because I was right". The fact that you dispute the basis of the block is a given: only deliberate vandals would not do so.
Instead, you should show how you will avoid future disruption. Guy ( help!) 23:45, 21 January 2020 (UTC)
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we simply have a disagreement. This is not a personal disagreement. It is a matter of Doncram disagreeing with the long-standing guidance WP:REDNOT.
abuse of admin power to decree a rule and enforce it with blocks. If that was true, then maybe it would be an abuse of power. But Doncram's assertion is demonstrably false: I did not
decree a rule. Doncram's repeated bogus allegations of misconduct are appalling behaviour; they are a form of smear.
All they are doing is re-stating their view. Not true; I am restating a long-standing guideline, whose wording is very clear. The rule is in the guideline WP:REDNOT, which I have never edited. (The section was added [17] in 2010, after discussion at Wikipedia_talk:Red_link/Archive_1#Avoiding_creation_of_certain_types_of_red_links. The wording was tweaked in 2018 [18] Doncram could have checked that history himself, and should have done so before casting aspersion, but instead of doing so has chosen to repeatedly malign my good faith in discussions above, and in the latest unblock request has falsely claimed that
it seemed that an editor just inserted it without discussion).
You need to reduce this to around 100 or 200 words. — MarkH21 talk 03:11, 21 January 2020 (UTC)
decreed a rule, and Doncram yet again ignoring the simple fact that they were blocked for re-populating a category which has been deleted three times after they re-created it in defiance of a CFD consensus.
Apparently, my infobox generator was allowing "Late 19th and 20th Century Revivals architecture in the United States" to be listed as a category, even though it doesn't exist. I've always cautioned editors to be careful and to proofread the output of the infobox generator, but sometimes people don't do that. So, I made a code fix.
In common.php around line 424:
// HACK of a fix so people don't keep stuffing bogus categories into infoboxes if (strcmp($row[0], "Category:Late 19th and 20th Century Revivals architecture in the United States" == 0) ) { $row[0] = "THIS CATEGORY DOES NOT EXIST"; continue; }
I need to get back to my day job now, but suffice it to say that I think this should alleviate the problem. -- Elkman (Elkspeak) 16:07, 22 January 2020 (UTC)
In one of doncram's many subpages I found links to previous category disagreements between doncram and BrownHairedGirl. One of those links is an addition to the Categoriazation Guideline:
doncram's notes also indicate that no discussion took place Talk page archive 10. Perhaps doncram is finding it difficult to believe a consensus of one is at the root of his block? 76.119.40.77 ( talk) 16:53, 22 January 2020 (UTC)
Doncram post above [20] (17:09, 22 January 2020) continues to display at best an WP:IDHT approach. At worst, Doncram is telling lies.
This point has been raised by Doncram before, and I responded in a post above, [21] timestamped "02:16, 21 January 2020" in the log (and "02:15, 21 January 2020" in the sig). Here's what I wrote:
it seemed that an editor just inserted it without discussion).
It took me only about 5 minutes to check the above.
Sadly, Doncram has chosen not hear what I wrote above, and has chosen not do his own checks. Instead Doncram falsely states that this I.P. editor is the only respondent so far who has attempted to point to any past discussion which might have established the consensus
. That is untrue.
Doncram also writes It was/is entirely reasonable for me as target of that admin, to object i do not see where they are coming from; they certainly did not reply seriously on this
. This is another demonstrably false statement, which misrepresents my actions: I did reply seriously on this, at 02:16, 21 January 2020
[24].
If Doncram is acting in good faith, then then they will promptly strike both of those false statements. I understand that Domcram does not like being blocked, but that resentment does not give Doncram a licence to tell lies ... and if Donmcram is not a liar and does not intend to deceive, then they can demonstrate their good faith by striking their false assertions. -- BrownHairedGirl (talk) • ( contribs) 22:26, 22 January 2020 (UTC)
I do see this process is working badly for me, and that others are not agreeing to, say, rule that BHG overstepped their admin role and should be chastised/reversed or whatever. An unblock request process is simply not ever going to do that; it is not the right forum. It is my understanding that the unblock request process cannot handle a defense of "what i did is not wrong"; the only allowable defense is "i confess i was wrong and i promise to not do that again". Facts as I see them are:
I understand that none of this probably matters to the admin or to the participants here or at wp:ANI who have self-selected in (with scant exception, perhaps just one exception that I know of). I wanted to express, at least here, some of the impacts and facts as I see them. I would actually welcome comments and advice about what should be done, and how I could possibly proceed. Besides quitting Wikipedia, say, which would be personally wrenching, but might be one of few ways for me to continue in my life with any dignity. -- Doncram ( talk) 16:56, 22 January 2020 (UTC)
please be in no doubt that if after this block expires there is any resumption of your disruptive rejection of repeated consensus on the same point, then I will block you for much longer, possibly indefinitely.That warning still stands.
I have posted a request for a block review.-- Deep fried okra 11:32, 21 January 2020 (UTC)
As an aside to all the above discussion, if you had spent the time researching and writing the article instead of writing many paragraphs arguing about nonexisting categories and appealing for an unblock, the article would be a lot better quality. The casual reader would be able to get a sense of what a platoon school actually is and why it was innovative for its time.
Also, you left the "architect OR builder" wording in the template, instead of changing it to just "architect". (Remember when you asked me to make that change to the infobox generator?) And, it's Renaissance Revival architecture, despite the NRIS just listing it as "Late 19th and 20th Century Revivals".
Do us all a favor and spend the time researching and writing the articles, instead of writing page after page of arguments and unblock appeals and other non-article content. -- Elkman (Elkspeak) 13:56, 21 January 2020 (UTC)
I'd read all of the disagreements between you and BHG as a dispute between two editors, but I seem to be the only one who sees it that way so I stand corrected. Regardless, I hope you resolve the issue quickly to get back to writing content. Schazjmd (talk) 21:37, 21 January 2020 (UTC)
Revisit First Methodist Episcopal Church (Salt Lake City, Utah) about change of NRHP listing name being out of order, tho sure allow commentary on longest name.
You did some updates on this one and left it in an "under construction" state. Maybe you can revisit sometime? MB 03:48, 26 January 2020 (UTC)
I trust you are enjoying a short wiki-break and hope you will be back building content soon.-- Rocknrollmancer ( talk) 03:00, 30 January 2020 (UTC)
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Thanks for your comment. I'm sorry I have contributed to the AfD being unpleasant, I actually just wanted to move forward on improving the article with a bit more time than just the time elapsing during an AfD (especially when editors have offered to do that, and I'm happy to help to the limited extent I can). I just find the comments (and I don't mean from you at all) to the effect that it "must be immediately removed from mainspace" and the like really unhelpful. My comment about editors disliking religious-themed articles stemmed from a !vote in the first AfD that was explicitly to that effect, but also the feeling that it seems that articles like that are subjected to far more scrutiny than other AfDs I have participated in, where finding a couple of sources is more than enough for a keep !vote. But I can see it was an unfair generalisation.
I'm very happy to help with any religious-themed articles - over the past month I've created articles on just about every current bishop in the Anglican Church in Australia (many of them were missing) so happy to find somewhere to contribute more than making unconstructive edits at AfDs. Bookscale ( talk) 10:54, 12 February 2020 (UTC)
Sorry for hounding you in the AfD. At the time, I just felt like I was defending my position, but looking back at it now, I can see how annoying and in-your-face I was being. Bait30 Talk? 01:29, 13 February 2020 (UTC)
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Hi! I'm de-orphaning places on the NRHP and I came across Innis Dye Works. I was wondering if I could get some help - I cannot for the life of me figure out what's up with it. It's not listed at National Register of Historic Places listings in Poughkeepsie, New York, the link with the NHRP reference number doesn't work (straight up just shows a blank page), a raw search of the NHRP database doesn't produce any results... I'm stumped. I can't think of any other way to figure out if it's an individual listing, a contributing property, or if it's even on the NHRP. Since you seem to be the resident NHRP guru, I was wondering if you could help at all? ♠ PMC♠ (talk) 01:29, 23 February 2020 (UTC)
I remember a year or so ago you were concerned that I may have made some mistakes in fixing some of these issues. Today I found Robertson County Courthouse (Tennessee), and it just looked wrong to me to have two names in the architect field in such a short article. So I went to the nom form and found one was the architect and the other the builder. The infobox had them both listed as architect from when it was created in June 2009. I'm guessing that was just what the infobox generator tool did back then? Do you think there could be many more of these? There are so many very short articles like this one that don't get much attention....
On another note, I created another NRHP article quite unintentionally. I went to write about the Apache Powder Company - due to a AFD on the place it was located - and when I was almost done with the article I found there was a HD associated with the company - a group of adjacent houses rented to management. So the HD is covered in the company article also. MB 01:24, 26 February 2020 (UTC)
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There is currently a discussion at Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents regarding an issue with which you may have been involved. Bacondrum ( talk) 05:25, 6 March 2020 (UTC)
Hi, I moved the article to draftspace for now because of the issue at Talk:Buffalo Presbyterian Church (Montello, Wisconsin)#Wrong church?. Hopefully this can be figured out soon... kind of a strange one. — MarkH21 talk 04:28, 9 March 2020 (UTC)
I have reviewed the ANI thread that resulted from your "nyah" comment. That posting can only be understood as taunting, and was improper. Do not do anything like that again. If you do, I will block you for a substantial period of time. Newyorkbrad ( talk) 17:10, 10 March 2020 (UTC)
Hi, thanks for your comment at The Cunninghams AFD. On another topic I wonder if you might be interested in creating an article for The Marine Hotel in Brora, Scotland - its a Grade II listed building so it qualifies under WP:NGEO and its chef has a michelin star unless he's left in this crisis, regards Atlantic306 ( talk)
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Hi Doncram, there is already a disambiguation page at Jefferson Hotel. Would it make more sense to make The Jefferson Hotel a redirect to that page? The only article that would need to be added is The Jefferson. Leschnei ( talk) 12:10, 5 April 2020 (UTC)
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Thanks for your help in building the Leicester churches list. I've always believed that one of the best indicators of high intelligence is the ability to keep an open mind and adjust when one's original beliefs are shown to be wrong. With the combined efforts of all, this is turning into a pretty decent article.
I've long believed that Catholic churches are one of the most under-represented areas for Wikipedia article development. The Catholic Church (at least in the US) appears to be reluctant to seek historic designation for its churches and other buildings -- probably because (a) there's no property-tax incentive for a church to seek such designation (since they are exempt anyway), and (b) the designation impose restrictions on potential redevelopment without the counterbalancing tax savings. Lists of churches such as the Leicester list and similar lists in California (e.g., Our Lady of the Angels Pastoral Region) can be great resources not only for church organization purposes, but also for identifying historically significant structures that have been overlooked. If you have any interest in further work in this area, I'd be happy to help. Cbl62 ( talk) 21:23, 13 April 2020 (UTC)
Hi Doncram, doing some work on heritage sites in WA I came across your 2018 article No. 1 Fire Station (Perth, Western Australia). This looks a lot like a double-up of Old Perth Fire Station, created in 2008. If you don't object I would suggest making your's a redirect as it is only a short stub. Please let me know what you think, Calistemon ( talk) 14:36, 15 April 2020 (UTC)
You recently copied the content from the draft to the same page in the article namespace. However, the articles is not proven to pass WP:Notability. Please submit it for WP:AfC when you are ready. CrazyBoy826 ( talk) 20:24, 26 April 2020 (UTC)
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I notice you are creating a whole series of articles for these hotels. They are presumably notable (or at least the building they are in is notable, the hotels are not always that old themselves), but the website yuu use, which should in theory be a neutral one, actually reads like the most spammy promo site. The texts on it are most likely written by the hotel owners or staff and not by some independent writers. Could you please base your articles on independent, neutral sources and not just on the "Historic Hotels" site? They are just good enough to verify that a hotel is listed as a "historic hotel", but nothing more. Examples of such promo pieces used in your articles (as only source): [26], [27], [28]... That last one comes from Inn on Boltwood, which you created but seem to have abandoned a bit soon, judging from the text. Fram ( talk) 10:02, 6 May 2020 (UTC)
I moved the main article to draft space, Draft:Historic Hotels of America. The article contains too many internal discussion comments, which is not something we may have in the mainspace. Either have a "clean" version in the mainspace, and a working version with comments elsewhere (draft, talk, project space), or wait to have a mainspace version until the commented version is finalized and cleaned up. As an example, a text like "(doncram: the only Shingle Style one of all HHAs?)" should never appear in an article (not because it is "doncram", the same question directed at "fram" would be equally unacceptable there) Fram ( talk) 11:31, 6 May 2020 (UTC)
Fine, discussion started at WP:ANI#Historic Hotels of America. Fram ( talk) 12:15, 6 May 2020 (UTC)
Did you see that it got deleted? I see absolutely no consensus for that do you?† Encyclopædius 20:42, 6 May 2020 (UTC)
I've reverted your changes at the talk page [29], as they introduced large copyright violations. Adding quotes around a text doesn't give you (or anyone) the right to copy whole sections of text as is. E.g. a '294 word setion copied straight from here is not allowed anywhere on enwiki. Please try to avoid using copyrighted text, or reduce it to the very minimum: in most cases, simply linking to the information and stating in your own words what the issue is, is more than sufficient. Fram ( talk) 08:05, 8 May 2020 (UTC)
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Thanks for your comments and especially your mention of the Elkman NRHP infobox generator (I learned something new). My work, meager as it is, will benefit greatly from your suggestions. Tamanoeconomico ( talk) 13:59, 19 September 2018 (UTC)
Is there a list of redlinked notable buildings and architect article subjects somewhere? I don't see much point in adding a bunch more drafts but if there is a list somewhere I'd be happy to add to it with a brief explanation of significance. Thanks FloridaArmy ( talk) 23:48, 19 September 2018 (UTC)
Hey, I've been adding to the monuments on commons and found that many NRHP sites are not listed. The East Hampton village green, which includes James lane, has the Mulford Homestead museum and the home sweet home museum, Ref 74001309. Its been a slog sorting out the windmills so I went there and tried to photograph as many as I could. Some are behind fences with dogs. Anyhoo, the Pantigo was for 72 years at Pantigo rd (montauk Hwy) and Egypt lane, before it was moved in 1917 to the backyard of the Homesweethome museum, a landmarked site on the NRHP. Googlemaps has it at the bottom of windmill lane, but thats the Hayground.Watch the articles, the lists need updating, the Huntting, pantigo, Mulford farm windmills are all the same smock mill, just the dates of the moves indicates who owned it.... CaptJayRuffins ( talk) 23:38, 23 September 2018 (UTC)
Thanks, don't know if you were still watching, I could use some help cleaning up Quogue Historic District... CaptJayRuffins ( talk) 01:40, 2 October 2018 (UTC)
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You have blanked our page without explanantion. Xx236 ( talk) 06:38, 4 October 2018 (UTC)
No prob; I do want to finish Genesee County first (got six or so articles left, so I don't want to delay the satisfaction of checking it off). I'll jump on the Kzoo fire stations right after. Week or two, maybe? Andrew Jameson ( talk) 10:43, 4 October 2018 (UTC)
Would you be so kind as to cast your eye on Alamogordo Woman's Club and make any edits you see fit? Thanks! WomenArtistUpdates ( talk) 19:22, 4 October 2018 (UTC)
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Did you ever find out about the movements and address changes of Dawson Woman's Club? Bubba73 You talkin' to me? 04:19, 20 November 2018 (UTC)
Hi Doncram, A new page, Boise Capitol Area District, (meager as it is) at National Register of Historic Places listings in Ada County, Idaho redirects from there to Idaho State Capitol. Can you remove the redirect or advise on how to request it? Good fortunes, Tamanoeconomico ( talk) 03:57, 26 November 2018 (UTC)
Let me be clear: your insistence on an unusual idea does not make a controversy, and when you start insisting that everyone follow your own idea ("no moves"), you've crossed into WP:OWN territory. The discussion has already begun at WP:ANI. Nyttend ( talk) 03:47, 28 November 2018 (UTC)
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Greetings! I made a start on William H. Taft Mansion, was wondering if it is of any importance to NHRP? Hope all is well with you. Markvs88 ( talk) 21:32, 4 December 2018 (UTC)
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help), provides an inventory of buildings in the district which I think is supposed to be complete, but it doesn't specifically mention 111 Whitney. On its page 68 in the PDF document it covers 107 Whitney, a non-contributing building, then covers 113 Whitney presumably next door, so I wonder if 113 is the
William H. Taft Mansion. 113 is described as "Built: ca. 1870. 2-story Second Empire-style masonry house with mansard roof, bracketed main cornice, central facade pavilion." I browsed the
Accompanying 34 photos, from 1984 and 1985 but it does not cover any houses on Whitney. Hmm, Google street view shows the house is signed as the "William H. Taft Mansion", and I can see that the house indeed is
Second Empire architecture in style and otherwise meets that description in all respects. So I am satisfied it is the house covered in the NRHP document as 113. The Google streetview also shows the house has "Ivy Labs Education" signage, and then I find per
this webpage on the New Haven office that the house does seem to be numbered 111 now. If you want, please add about this to the article, and/or I will sometime later. cheers, --
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Greetings. I am having a tough time finding much coverage of this fellow. His dad and son have the same name but don't seem to have been especially notable. Any ideas? FloridaArmy ( talk) 18:34, 6 December 2018 (UTC)
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Hello. You may be interested in another NRHP architect, H. Clinton Parrent Jr.. By the way, I pinged you about Aspen Grove, not sure if you saw it... Zigzig20s ( talk) 11:34, 17 December 2018 (UTC)
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I pinged you on a talkpage about Aspen Grove, but I can no longer find it. Do you know where it is please? It's about an article you created about a house in Williamson County, TN. We may have the picture but we need to make sure it is the same house. Zigzig20s ( talk) 14:59, 22 December 2018 (UTC)
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@ Doncram: noticing you started the article, I was wondering if an image like this would be suitable to give an idea of how it looked, Maybe you find there are images that are more suitable. Thank you for your time. Lotje ( talk) 12:23, 30 December 2018 (UTC)
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Could this be the off-wiki version of our NRHP-related work? Zigzig20s ( talk) 09:37, 19 January 2019 (UTC)
The Sons of San Patricio Monument and the San Patricio de Hibernia Monument were both built in 1937. Are you sure they are two separate monuments? Zigzig20s ( talk) 18:14, 23 January 2019 (UTC)
This edit replaced your photo of Mayer Red Brick Schoolhouse with one that is clearly inferior due to poor lighting. It also replaced two photos I took. I don't want to revert because my photos are involved also. But yours should clearly go back. MB 00:45, 24 January 2019 (UTC)
Hi, I've come across the dab page Dubois Historic District. One of the two redlink entries is about an article that has now been created: DuBois Historic District. The other one, however, links to a list article which doesn't seem to mention any places with this name. With apparently only a single article that's known by this term, I thought it would be best to turn the dab page into a redirect to it. But then, there might be something I'm missing. – Uanfala (talk) 02:55, 30 January 2019 (UTC)
I recall you raising this at an editor's Talk page (March 2015). I chanced upon this Talk page section from 2011 and thought you may be interested in the content. rgds.-- Rocknrollmancer ( talk) 18:36, 30 January 2019 (UTC)
Not sure if you can expand the William Redding House? I tried to find his obituary on Newspapers.com, to no avail. There may be books about New Mexico pioneers on the Internet Archive though! Zigzig20s ( talk) 11:02, 31 January 2019 (UTC)
Hi Doncram, thank you for noticing the new article - it was my first article from scratch, so your "thanks" for creating it is really made me feel good. Schazjmd ( talk) 14:57, 4 February 2019 (UTC)
I've e-mailed you. Zigzig20s ( talk) 21:43, 5 February 2019 (UTC)
Talk:Barela-Reynolds House. Zigzig20s ( talk) 01:06, 9 February 2019 (UTC)
The Elkman tool is not giving me the right PDFs, just blank ones. Where did you find the one for the bank please? Zigzig20s ( talk) 20:47, 10 February 2019 (UTC)
<ref name=nrhpdoc>{{cite web|url= |title=National Register of Historic Places Registration: |publisher=Texas Historical Commission |author= |date= |accessdate=July 8, 2024}}</ref>
<ref name=nrhpdoc>{{cite web|url=https://atlas.thc.state.tx.us/NR/pdfs/84001662/84001662.pdf |title=National Register of Historic Places Inventory-Nomination: United States Post Office / Downtown Station, Old Main Post Office |publisher=Texas Historical Commission |author=Peter Flagg Maxson |date=January 15, 1984 |accessdate=July 8, 2024}}</ref>
Your search returned 2 results. Old Fort Bliss — El Paso County National Register Listing — 2072001357 Historical Marker — 5141003730
Click on the "National Register Listing — 2072001357", then it brings up:
Details for Old Fort Bliss (Atlas Number 2072001357) National Register Listing — Atlas Number 2072001357
and various tabs. Click on the "Files" tab, which offers up:
National Register Nomination File
Click on that, and the NRHP document will open. For this one, it opens slowly. But you can see the URL of the document is https://atlas.thc.state.tx.us/NR/pdfs/72001357/72001357.pdf . Which is NOT the URL suggested by the Elkman tool, which doesn't work. You have the NRHP document open, that is what you need. Knock on wood. -- Doncram ( talk) 22:31, 11 February 2019 (UTC)
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I am trying to do National Register of Historic Places listings in Yuma County, Arizona, as it is on the border. I am a bit disappointed in Ruth Ewing House, however. It is quite short, and I can't find her obituary on Newspapers.com. Zigzig20s ( talk) 00:18, 17 February 2019 (UTC)
Hi Doncram, the MacMillan Chapel was moved from Ada County to Canyon County in Idaho after its listing on the NRHP (#84000989), but the listing remains on the Ada County page. Can the listing be cut and pasted from Ada to Canyon County's page? Tamanoeconomico ( talk) 03:34, 4 March 2019 (UTC)
Hi Doncram. I have, indeed, made many changes to this article. Reason being that an article on a regional Ozark Mountains building type (which is absolutely legit) has been expanded into a fantasy of an international "prow house" giving examples of Frank Lloyd Wright and a German housing scheme. From that, a "prow window" has been made up which simply does not exist. The "prow gable" is legit but has nothing to do with the "prow house" - that's why I separated the two things. I don't want to claim any credit for anything and I mentioned in the history page that I moved the "Winged gable" to a new article. But I take your point and include links between the two articles.
I recently came across two articles about what appears to be the same historic house: the correctly named but very short Singleton House (Eatonton, Georgia), and the incorrectly named but more detailed Singleton House (Eatonville, Georgia). Since you were the creator of both articles (in 2009 and 2018, respectively), I thought you would be the best qualified to decide whether and how the material from the incorrectly named article should be merged into the earlier article. Or if you don't feel like dealing with it, just let me know, and I'll do my best with it. Cheers! -- ShelfSkewed Talk 02:16, 11 March 2019 (UTC)
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@ Doncram:, that's ridiculous. You chose not to ping me, so I didn't see your reply ... and then you not only complain here that I didn't reply but go making an issue of it elsewhere, also without notifying me.
If you do not want to be accused of "high-frequency basic incompetence", then please don't display high-frequency basic incompetence.
I didn't invent WP:REDNOT. Its there for a reason. If you disagree with it, then start an RFC to change it ... but so long as it stands, it's a very easy thing to follow. Simply look at the bottom of a page when you save, and if you see a redlinked category, fix it.
And no, I am definitely not asserting that the number one issue in Wikipedia is that redlink categories should not exist, over all other priorities
. Please don't put words in my mouth.
What I am asserting is that you repeatedly make this same very simple error, requiring other editors to clean up after you. It's easily detected and easily fixed.
And no, Wikipedia is not based on allowing different people to do what they want.
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All I am asking of you is that you spend a few seconds so that you don't repeatedly leave others to clean up after you. What's so hard about that? - BrownHairedGirl (talk) • ( contribs) 19:50, 28 March 2019 (UTC)
Hello. I e-mailed you about a historic bust a few days ago. Are you interested in working on it at all please? Zigzig20s ( talk) 09:29, 15 March 2019 (UTC)
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Hi, Doncram. I thought about writing an article about Tesla Museum in Italy, but couldn't find anything on the web. There are sites mostly about Tesla car or so, but not about museum in Italy. Do you know more about it? Any link? Regards, -- Silve rije 18:44, 21 March 2019 (UTC)
Done. Zigzig20s ( talk) 00:41, 28 March 2019 (UTC)
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Please stop this disruption. You know what the problem is, and it is very easily avoided. -- BrownHairedGirl (talk) • ( contribs) 09:52, 29 March 2019 (UTC)
does not provide justification for your interactions with me.
Hi there. Regarding Attucks High School, I thought you might like to know that there is also a relatively famous Crispus Attucks High School in Indianapolis. Both schools seem to have been named after Crispus Attucks, so we may want to think about a disambiguation page. Zagalejo ^^^ 01:45, 12 April 2019 (UTC)
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Do you think Rose Hill Burial Park (Oklahoma City, Oklahoma) is notable? Is having notable burials enough? Also, any help on Draft:John T. Waller would be appreciated. I didn't come across the nomination form, for example, for his building on the NRHP list. And I suspect there must be some strong sources out there somewhere. Thanks. FloridaArmy ( talk) 21:07, 22 April 2019 (UTC)
Hi Doncram,
I noticed that your recent edit of the above article was reverted with the advice that an article about the Wool Bay lime kiln would be better than having Category:Lime kilns in Australia appended to the article. I am writing to advise that I started an article about the lime kiln earlier in 2019 because there is sufficient published material to support a 'start' class including Australian government material available under 'Attribution 3.0 Australia (CC BY 3.0 AU)' and which therefore can be prepared in a short period of time. I can complete what I started in a couple of days. Please reply here if you wish to reply.
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Category:State highways in Michigan serving parks, which you created, has been nominated for possible deletion, merging, or renaming. A discussion is taking place to decide whether this proposal complies with the categorization guidelines. If you would like to participate in the discussion, you are invited to add your comments at the category's entry on the categories for discussion page. Thank you. Imzadi 1979 → 14:46, 4 May 2019 (UTC)
This photo of the library was the first one I uploaded to Commons.
But it might not be useful because of the abundant foliage. And thanks for the insights on process and methods as relating to Monsieur Giron's Confectionery and the NRIS information issues page. The link has been saved for future discoveries. Tamanoeconomico ( talk) 05:32, 5 May 2019 (UTC)
I saw your comment about memorials, and I agree. One person seems to have taken over the article and is doing as you describe. For instance, everything named after Sidney Lanier is a monument or memorial to the confederates. Lanier was a private in the army who was captured. I like poets who weren't captured. :-)
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Ferdinand C. Fiske (1856-1930) was definitely notable. Zigzig20s ( talk) 21:29, 19 May 2019 (UTC)
Hi Doncram, the Warehouse District (Salt Lake City, Utah) page may contain some misleading information in the list of buildings included from the Utah State Historical Society Historic Preservation Research Office. Most of the buildings in that list are not in the Warehouse District; they are on Main Street (formerly known as East Temple Street). I noticed you recently have been improving the article, and I would help if needed. My knowledge of that part of town is limited, though. Sunset Magazine's article referenced on the Warehouse District page, Salt Lake City's Arty West Side, indicates the boundaries of the Warehouse District are subject to change, although Main Street would still be one block away from West Temple Street, a boundary given by National Register of Historic Places listings in Salt Lake City. One problem is that the Warehouse District page references the extensive list of buildings included in the Historic Preservation Research Office document, and that list includes buildings on Main Street. Tamanoeconomico ( talk) 23:01, 22 May 2019 (UTC)
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Thanks for your thanks. I got a few more OK shots of the Green River and White River area and other stuff on yesterday's flyover. To be uploaded. Some show gas fields clearly, including the Bitter Creek Gas Field, but I don't see any coverage of such places in Wikipedia – I think they try to keep them out of the news. Generally, I just shoot whatever I can see when the clouds don't interfere, then use Google Maps to figure out what I got. Some of the areas I find, esp. in Utah, have a severe lack of named features, as far as I can find. Dicklyon ( talk) 00:11, 2 June 2019 (UTC)
Uploaded more. Gotta catch a flight to Portugal now... Dicklyon ( talk) 01:24, 2 June 2019 (UTC)
Hey there! I replied to your comment over on my talk page. /info/en/?search=User_talk:Rich_jj#LDS_tabernacles_list —— Rich jj ( talk) 07:02, 2 June 2019 (UTC)
I have again replied to your last comment. Just FYI. —— Rich jj ( talk) 15:17, 5 June 2019 (UTC)
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Hi @ Doncram:! Thanks for pulling back a few of your corrections on McGrath Cafe and Hotel. The building itself is on the NRHP, but the historic district designation (to which it contributes) is only county-level. If there's a better way to word it to make that clear, I welcome any improvements. Schazjmd ( talk) 14:23, 10 June 2019 (UTC)
Hello. I saw your good work on the recent South Fork Fishing & Hunting Club TALK page, and wondered if you might have a chance to weigh in on this: Talk:Committee for the Re-Election of the President#CREEP Consensus, since I expect that you have a broader perspective on the issue than I. Thank you, in advance, if you could. Lindenfall ( talk) 15:03, 10 June 2019 (UTC)
I am not one of Fram's fan.
He has a poor habit of railroading incompetent/quasi-competent editors, working in good-faith by focusing on entirely legitimate but often minor issues while continually subjecting him/her to extraordinarily high levels of scrutiny. Add to that, an over-ordinary dosage of sanctions, while he continues to badger the editor with issues about editing (and to be fair, how (s)he can improve them). AFAIS, he is rarely wrong on the technicalities and stays well clear of any bright-line tool-abuse but this behavior does have the potential of being (very easily) perceived as harassment by the subject.
When one makes 5 edits a day and logs in, the very next morning to see 3 messages over your t/p from the same user (who has already posted 15 more, up above) pointing out mistakes in your work, most won't react favorably irrespective of the validity of the raised concerns.
This behavior is not optimal.
But, I understand the place, where he comes from and that he is not a random internet troll who goes on harassing people, for the sadistic pleasure of it. He wholly intends for the betterment of encyclopedia and knows that he can be a jerk, at times.
I edit in one of the most volatile areas of the encyclopedia and there are editors who continually need to be monitored, for a variety of reasons. But, I know that there are other competent guys out there and often refer to them, if the volume of poor edits keeps on increasing. This actually works better, since the user understands that I am not reverting his edits and warning him, (out of a sheer hate of his username) but because there are legitimate concerns, which are voiced by others too. At the same time, I need to maintain a fine-balance to dispel concerns of tag-teaming.
But at the same time, I think many of the users who Fram dealt with (I tried to deal with one, after taking over from him and that did not go well, at all; that she ended up indeffed soon, is another story) were too incompetent to be here, at the first place and I, for one, don't need to normally deal with such editors, due to mainly working under GS/DS regimes. We are now the 5th most visited website in the world and it's expected that we will insist for a minimal quality and a satisfactory d/dt(learning) from new users; you shall not expect to be mollycoddled. I have seen some of the comments by others over Laura's page (where Fram displayed roughly same behavior) and regrettably, they were distinctly one sided, choosing to entirely ignore that Fram was voicing valid concerns. ( Ymblanter shall be praised though, for his moderated approach over there.)
Now, from what I've seen, Fram has improved over the last year (sans the outburst at ArbCom, which is not harassment, by any reasonable definition of thh word) but shall there be an ArbCom case against him, I will ask for some tailored sanctions like those applied in the GSMan case, who had his own problems.
Bullying and harassment are real issues but there's no black and white territory in these regions and we need to work for a compromise, encompassing everyone who is here for the betterment of the encyclopedia. That almost none from WMF T&S knows much about our editing cultures (I have talked with some and they are extraordinarily clueless about finer aspects) compounds the probability of their understanding being incorrect, in controversial cases. I agree with much of what DGG/Sandstein has written and that community processes are not optimal. But, despite whatever might be the scenario, WMF's holier than thou approach coupled with callous statements from board-chairs ain't going to resolve these issues, except making it worse. ∯WBG converse 07:45, 13 June 2019 (UTC)
Thank you for your thoughtful insights on the Fram matter. Nicely stated. The problem of bullying people to death over minutae instead of mentoring is a huge problem and the unspoken “elephant in the living room” of this whole shitstorm. Montanabw (talk) 05:49, 14 June 2019 (UTC)
Hello again. Could you please review my new edits at Confederate Private Monument after User:Another Believer's and let me know if you would rephrase them? I want to make sure they are neutral as I don't want to get framed. Some people might think this is a forbidden topic. But if it's fine for the Washington Post to report the vandalism, surely we should be free to do so as well? Thanks! Zigzig20s ( talk) 23:22, 19 June 2019 (UTC)
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On 23 June 2019, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article Mueller Tower, which you recently created, substantially expanded, or brought to good article status. The fact was ... that both Mueller and Barr can be found in Lincoln, Nebraska? You are welcome to check how many page hits the article got while on the front page ( here's how, Mueller Tower), and it may be added to the statistics page if the total is over 5,000. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.
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So I noticed you thanked me for R.A. Clement School. I saw an incorrect article in the Salisbury Post and in the process of investigating to see if was actually "R.A. Clement School" instead of "Cleveland School" that was named to the NRHP, I just went ahead and created the article, figuring it was notable.
I was in Haywood County, North Carolina last week and after walking past Hazelwood School I decided to check to see what needs improving about Folkmoot USA, to which I have added all substantial content, prior to some major edits last year that I didn't know about. The person hasn't edited lately and the article has been tagged (by someone who has not been active lately), but I wanted some advice about what to do about those edits. My opinions are now at Talk:Folkmoot USA. Some are about the building which may or may not be notable. Others are about the organization.— Vchimpanzee • talk • contributions • 18:39, 25 June 2019 (UTC)
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Under WP:CIVIL, "(e) quoting another editor out of context to give the impression they hold views they do not hold, or to malign them". That is what I thought of when you posted that original comment. My issues are WP:N and WP:V. I'm not trying to start another argument, but I am just trying to make it clearer to you. I don't like essays, but I wouldn't have even responded to your keep vote if you didn't make that second comment. SL93 ( talk) 01:20, 15 July 2019 (UTC)
thanks for your comment. by working on the pictures, I have found and fixed several errors, added pictures to articles and county lists, created categories and added the commonscat to the county lists. creating new articles is too time consuming and I need source material to adequately make something useful. I prefer to just use 30 minutes of my time doing something mindless and relaxing. Einbierbitte ( talk) 20:00, 25 July 2019 (UTC)
Doncram, you are an expert in historical buildings, and formatting and infoboxes. Could you have a quick look at this article, to see if there's anything that can do with a quick formatting improvement, to bring it in line with our guidelines for such articles? I'm not asking you to look at writing, for instance, because that is what the student will be graded on, although maybe you have some pointers about layout and sections and things like that. Thank you so much for your help!
Oh, at some point I might ask you to have a look at User:Kt rogers/Grove Court Apartments, and that one is on the national registry--I know you know all the infobox stuff for that--but the student hasn't moved it to mainspace yet. ( User:Kt rogers, our clock is ticking...) Do you think it's ready? Thanks, Dr Aaij ( talk) 16:39, 26 July 2019 (UTC)
Getting quite close to finishing National Register of Historic Places listings in Santa Cruz County, Arizona. This is quite interesting. Zigzig20s ( talk) 20:35, 26 July 2019 (UTC)
Mexicall was a locality in Mexico, located across the Mexico-United States border from Calexico, California. In 1914, it was inhabited by Mexicans, Indians, Japanese, Chinese, and Germans. [1] Because of World War I, it raised suspicions from the United States authorities, who believed the Germans were using the location to spread their propaganda on the radio. [1]
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Instead of calling someone a ruinator, perhaps a hand in getting this article up to an acceptable state? It's a horrific example of misplaced scope and balance that includes tons of information about the family does not belong on an entry about the historic property. If a reader was that interested in the family, there is a dedicated wiki about state history where that information is more appropriate. Sounder Bruce 00:05, 28 July 2019 (UTC)
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Doncram, requesting your assistance. I am cautious about making edits within the article, Church Of The Creator, and talk page, but not here. As previously advised my edits are primarily quotations from other sources, with verifiable references and relevant. Intent to better Wikipedia, fact based verifiable information.
I offer an overview for consideration, as a party of interested and involved participant, in what makes this organization “notable” in Wikipedia terms. The principle, standing up for “rights,” through the practice, “action,” using civil law, Trademark Infringement litigation is becoming more notable, more important as an example, than when it was when the Complaint was first filed. Without intent to do so, unlike the IRS looking into Al Capone tax evasion, there was such reaction, threats of death, malintent directed to shut down the litigation, that the truth, true nature of everyone involved was exposed. Today people are in the streets chanting “do something” relative the increasing boldness, acts of violence directed at innocent victims of hate/fear based bigotry, bullies by whatever name they are given. Everyone is being called to find their part, “stand up for their rights” in every arena of life. Find the answer to “what can I do, to make a difference?” The example of the principles, practices, applied in the Trademark Litigation, the outcome, collateral accountability, “ripple effect” are an example that not everyone likes to hear about, let alone find published online, more specifically within Wikipedia. This overview, offered discernment, is my opinion.
As a Wikipedian, while reviewing the Article, Church Of The Creator page for possible addition, edits adding new graphics, I noticed a trend of “tagging” the page, tag removal, and immediate new tags appear. The recent tags seem to relate to personal opinion, “reading like an advertisement” and/or “COI” “advert” “news release” “original research/synthesis of primary sources.”
I am asking for review, as a possible violation of Wikipedia policy, not to offer an opinion, but did do considerable reading before asking you.
On the talk page, “Article issues Per my recent tagging: The ® Trademark litigation and "Ripple Effect" section in particular is largely original research/synthesis of primary sources. The article is written more like an organizational website than a neutral encyclopedia article. Seriously, it goes out of its way to call another organization racist. That's a little much. creffett (talk) 00:31, 15 July 2019 (UTC)”
And edit history, “curprev 18:24, 30 January 2019 Closeapple talk contribs 20,727 bytes +71 Added {{ COI}} and {{ news release}} tags to article (TW) undo” “curprev 03:03, 24 May 2019 Closeapple talk contribs 20,674 bytes +25 Added {{ advert}} tag to article (TW) undo”
As I review the Trademark litigation and “Ripple Effect” section, the content is mostly quotes from other sources, organizations, Judges within the US Courts, Judicial Opinion, court orders, after due process. I do not see anyone calling other organizations “racist” only facts that relate directly to the Trademark Litigation, as the source of the ripples.
I am reluctant to make any further edits at this point, graphic additions or otherwise. Best Regards. Michael S. Legions ( talk) 18:46, 16 August 2019 (UTC)
Doncram, I now have a better understanding of why I was feeling such an urgency to request the above review today. I just logged back into Wikipedia, to see if you had seen this post. Answer not yet. Then I checked back into Church Of The Creator page. Note the time of my post earlier today. Beginning 21:21 16 August 2019, a series of new edits to Church Of The Creator page by Seraphimblade, They speak for themselves. Thank you for review, all of the above and Wikipedia policy. Michael S. Legions ( talk) 23:34, 16 August 2019 (UTC)
Doncram, Thank you for your review, statement on the talk page, Church Of The Creator. I will wait awhile, to see results of "I can try to take a look at the sources that were there, and see if we can't get something put together in regards to that." Recently, we have republished a book, "GRIDS of Consciousness Unification-Compendium of Living Unity Consciousness", through Amazon, first published in 1984, with new content and graphics, third and fourth editions 2019. This is a "Ministers Handbook," containing the principles and practices of the church. At some point, later, some of the graphics, principles, practices, may be of assistance to Wikipedia readers. Your comments make it clear and are available to any user who wants to know what is at issue here. Your comments, stand up for our rights, as an advocate of truth, within the universe of Wikipedia, count and are appreciated. Most consciousness that is beyond the box of the past and present, "...was more or less indecipherable." at the time. That is good company and a clear indicator that change is at hand, for all of us living on planet earth. Thank you for finding your part and acting. Keep up the good/God works! Michael S. Legions ( talk) 13:14, 17 August 2019 (UTC)
Follow Up: Doncram - I am requesting assistance in review of the last changes to the Wikipedia Article “Church of the Creator.” I plead guilty to being a periodic editor, however, deleted edits, as you pointed out, are from a perspective of good intent, enhancing the goals of what I understand to be the founding principle of Wikipedia “Imagine a world in which every single person on the planet is given free access to the sum of all human knowledge. That's what we're doing.”
Acting on opinions, negative tags, between August 5 - August 17, 2019, 16073 bytes of 20,732 bytes were deleted from the article, as “word salad,” or “more or less indecipherable” from the perspective of the editor. That is about 76% of what was providing knowledge relative this specific organization, what makes it “notable” different from other organizations that may seem at first glance similar.
Most of what George D. Chryssides found to distinguish this organization from others was deleted beginning line 33. Chryssides is a noted academic, quoting Wikipedia “Chryssides has a particular interest in new religious movements, on which he has published extensively.” What he has to say about “membership,” “Divine Right Order” are specific to this organization, knowledge he felt as an expert, sufficiently different to warrant inclusion in his publication as referenced. The same can be said for the rest of the deletions, in particular the quotations from court opinions. All of which are relevant to humanities current review of what is fake, what is truth, and who is wearing sheep clothing, but not a sheep. Racism, bigotry, propaganda, pretending to be one thing, while actually doing the polar opposite, are front and center, as they were within the Trademark Litigation, the “Ripple effect” now being sorted out most specifically in the United States Of America. The deleted material is relevant, as an example of what can happen when we stand up to bullies, take action, stand up for our rights. Living those principles can have far reaching affects. That knowledge previously provided Wikipedia users is not gone, but buried within the multiple take downs of this article.
I am again posting to your page because I do not want to enter into a personality analysis of editors. It may be relevant to consider “I am an atheist and secular humanist” personal view may find the writings of religious scholars or judges to be a large helping of “word salad.” I understand that. I also find that somewhere in there “Seraphimblade” has chosen a user name of an order of Angelic Being coupled with a sword, or element of a Justice Being. I appreciate the paradox; hot or cold, belief followed by action brings change. I did not know where to engage you and “Seraphimblade” together, so please feel free to share this with him, place on the article talk page, as you choose, or not.
I am asking for follow up editing, as stated, “I can try to take a look at the sources that were there, and see if we can't get something put together in regards to that.” Seraphimblade Talk to me 01:17, 17 August 2019 (UTC)
Part of what needs to be understood is that the organization TE-TA-MA Truth Foundation-Family Of URI, Inc. and Church Of The Creator® is not a local group of people building another congregation from the ground up. It is an extension on our planet, one of many organizations, part of the ongoing support from unseen authorities that are commissioned within the Programs of the Office Of The Christ, Restoration and Redemptive Programs, restoring our planet and humanity to the Divine Blueprint. We are delivering a message of quantum change forecast by multiple traditions and wisdom teaching that are affecting all of us, individually and collectively. New expressions, like Wikipedia as one example.
The best single reference I can recommend to enhance knowledge of the greater picture and plan is not referenced as notable in Wikipedia, but, I would that someone do so. Here is the link https://keysofenoch.org/teachings/overview/
I look forward to see what revisions can be done to replace the deleted 16073 bytes of knowledge deleted. Thanks for your effort to make Wikipedia what it is intended to be. Michael S. Legions ( talk) 15:51, 11 October 2019 (UTC)
Thank you for the quick follow up. I saw the post on the Church of the Creator talk page, appreciate the multiple accounts and editing policy. I have considerable posts on the Church of the Creator article/talk page providing perspective, history relative the organization. I hesitate to get into Wikipedia policy, editor personality or other matters that do no directly provide information on the organization, hence the communication here, and your review is appreciated. Michael S. Legions ( talk) 18:50, 11 October 2019 (UTC)
Doncram, Today I received a request via my persoal email that speaks for itself, is relevant to your multiple account discernment's, exact quote. "I received an e-mail from Wikipedia saying that Doncram had mentioned me (Green Irish Eyes) as a one-time editor. Could you please let him know that I created a second account because I had trouble getting logged back in using the original Bohemian Gal account? As it is, I’m having trouble getting logged in with the NEW account <*sighs*>, else I’d do it myself. You can also let him know that, for the record, I have no intention of doing any more editing – it’s simply too irksome." That should help clarify any issue with those two accounts. Michael S. Legions ( talk) 20:11, 12 October 2019 (UTC)
FYI, schedule from October 19 until December 7, other commitments, includes travel and limited internet availability prohibiting participation within Wikipedia discussion, communications. Plan is to review and continue participation on completion of commitments made. Best Regards. Michael S. Legions ( talk) 10:34, 18 October 2019 (UTC)
Images for Church Of The Creator. Today I uploaded and posted link on TALK:Church of the Creator, 4 Illustrations for the article, link to a image that may support discussion, revisions to Article. Michael S. Legions ( talk) 12:40, 21 October 2019 (UTC)
Doncram I hope 2020 finds you doing well. My schedule is still fairly full, and after my review of the current “discussion” relative “Article Issues” Church of The Creator article, it doesn’t see that there is much interest, discussion still limited to those who tagged paged, then cut the content, you and I.
After some further looking around today, I was going to invite User:CJcurrie, but the user talk page is protected so that only administrators can edit it and I am not sure how to invite this administrator to enter the discussion, or if that is appropriate. /info/en/?search=User:CJCurrie
I am asking you to review User:CJCurrie, and if you agree that this Administrator might have a perspective worth adding to the discussion, please invite to review, participate in discussion and or edit the article.
I found the User in various edits associated to Human Rights pages. Thank you. Michael S. Legions ( talk) 21:19, 18 January 2020 (UTC)
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I saw your comment here at deletion page. I think it was in the satire and ambiguous. Can you please expand your comment with rationale or give your opinion for deletion? — Harshil want to talk? 12:59, 7 September 2019 (UTC)
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Revisit courthouse disambiguation pages trashed in early 2019, including some/many within this contributions list of edits by User:Station1. Including Brown County Courthouse, Polk County Courthouse, addressed so far, where valid Wikipedia redlinks were deleted and/or where location information was nonsensically deleted. Station1, what the heck were you thinking? -- Doncram ( talk) 01:21, 20 September 2019 (UTC)
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We don't have an article on this place. It looks like a grand building, but was torn down after only 20 years. Site of several national political conventions, so must be notable. Just mentioning in case you want to start this, or know of someone who might have an interest in non-NRHP Chicago. MB 02:05, 22 September 2019 (UTC)
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Hello, a week after your last edit and help on the STC Municipal Building page, User Nikkimaria deleted information from the popular culture section again and despite me trying to reason and incorporate their contributions as constructive, they are giving me the feeling they are editing the page in an attack-type fashion trying to win an argument or something. They have flagged the popular culture section again as needing better sources needing to be removed despite our discussion not supporting this. I have never encountered anything like this before on Wikipedia and don't know what to do. Nikkimaria seems to be attempting to push the page into an edit war, and to say the least, it takes away from the enjoyment of working on the subject. VerVynck ( talk) 13:38, 24 September 2019 (UTC)
Hi, Doncram. You may not have carefully studied the v2 proposal at WT:SIA. I believe that v2 does not allow long indiscriminate made-up lists --- either the topic has to be notable, or each item has to be notable, or the list must be complete and shorter than 32k. All three criteria must be supported by 1 or more RS.
Can you think of an example that would be a valid SIA (list of items of the same type and the same name), that fulfills the v2 criteria, but would be bad? I'm open to feedback and changes, but I'd like to see a concrete example of a failure mode. — hike395 ( talk) 03:30, 25 September 2019 (UTC)
I was looking at James Hinton House which is one of 20-30 in the Missouri Lumber and Mining Company Historic Resources MPS. The MPS is linked as a ref in this article. The county list shows each house has its own refnum. My reading of our article on MPS (section of National Register of Historic Places) seems to say each property should have its own nomination form. So should there be a nomination form for this place, or maybe the formal procedure isn't always followed and there is just the MPS? MB 02:53, 26 September 2019 (UTC)
Greetings. NRHP credits the Lake County Courthouse in Crown Point, Indiana to a J. C. Cochran. I searched a bunch and I can't tell if this is a misspelling or alternate spelling of John C. Cochrane? A further wrinkle is that I am finding sources that say Cochrame was born in 1833 but his article says 1835. I find sources for an architect names Cochran and for Cochrane. Basically, I am now confused. Are there two different architects with similar names? One architect whose name gets spelled different ways? NRHP tool didn't help me sort it out. Thanks for any clarification and resolution you can provide. FloridaArmy ( talk) 16:19, 28 September 2019 (UTC)
the County Court had visited Crown Point, Indiana, to view another courthouse designed by Cochran. (The Lake County Courthouse, listed on the National Register of Historic Places, is of the same plan as the Saline County Courthouse.)". Could you please add a note at wp:NRIS info issues MO and, with that, proceed to make appropriate changes in the courthouse article and the architect article? -- Doncram ( talk) 16:54, 28 September 2019 (UTC)
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Hi Doncram, I reverted your edit to Lincoln Middle School. Disambiguation pages are supposed to help readers find existing articles, so non-article entries and class times aren't helpful for navigation. Leschnei ( talk) 17:52, 8 October 2019 (UTC)
I do prefer to be contacted at my user talk page, though I know I don't always respond. While writing a response telling you the Clarkston Tithing Granary is gone, I found it had been moved. The coordinates 41°55′05.5″N 112°02′50″W point (on Google Maps) directly to a bare patch of dirt between two houses on the street that is now known as 100 South (evidently Clarkston uses a local street grid nowadays instead of the county-wide one the property was listed with), but on the Street View (dated July 2013) you can see the roof of the granary above some bushes there. That's where our photo was taken in 2016. The granary's not there anymore; it was moved on September 8, 2018 (according to this news story among others). It's already showing at its new location on Google Maps; the new address is given as 88 W. Center St., and I make the coordinates 41°55′11.75″N 112°03′11″W. Thanks for asking; I love making this kind of discovery. HTH, Ntsimp ( talk) 10:07, 14 October 2019 (UTC)
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After getting a lot of dead links trying to access Arkansas nom forms, I realized today that several years ago, the forms for Arkansas moved
from: url=http://www.arkansaspreservation.com/!userfiles/pdf file name
to: url=http://www.arkansaspreservation.com/National-Register-Listings/PDF/pdf file name
I was able to use AWB to go through about 2850 Arkansas articles and correct the url to the current location. I found about 1100 articles with the old style url, so now we have 1100 more articles with working references to the nom form (in most cases, the only ref in the article except for NRIS. MB 04:26, 21 October 2019 (UTC)
Mormons love ancestry and local history. This is a great state for Wikipedia editing. For example the Moab LDS Church could easily be expanded into a C-class article, if not more. But in a way this makes it less fun than trying to unearth censored history in the South... Zigzig20s ( talk) 23:43, 26 October 2019 (UTC)
I see this every time I go by on I-75. I went up there in the 1980s and took photos. But those photos are stored somewhere. I'll get there to take photos sometime. The article has five sentences (in four paragraphs), each starting with "it" - this needs to be consolidated. Bubba73 You talkin' to me? 01:00, 31 October 2019 (UTC)
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Is this for articles with only the NRIS ref, or all articles missing a ref to the nomination? For example, Burwell School. MB 03:42, 6 November 2019 (UTC)
I didn't think we were arguing at all, but I did sense we weren't communicating too well on this one. That is why I was trying to go one step at a time. "Talking" this way isn't a good form of communication. I didn't want to repurpose the category, and I thought that the text I added was general and vague enough that all the articles that were there clearly fit. I'm sorry you felt it was better to "walk away".
Did you see the definition of "crow-stepped" over at the RM? MB 06:44, 10 November 2019 (UTC)
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I just loved the elaborate and very sensible comments you made about this matter on my talk page. It is with such reconciliatory and understanding messages that we progress in Wikipedia. After your message, I realized that this subject of ACS support centers needs to be expanded further and I will do the extra effort on my part to expand it in Wikipedia, with of course appreciating any input you may make for improvement of the article as well. I do feel though that the consensus, for now, is to make Hope Lodge a disambiguation. I usually don't argue my points to the end and apply a "laissez faire" attitude about things as I have created so many articles by now that I realize nothing should be set in stone. As long as people can reach the information they need, and the articles are still there, I am all for it. And here videos for inspiration and hope and for us to do more on this page. [1] [2] werldwayd ( talk) 19:28, 17 November 2019 (UTC)
Hello, Doncram. Priestly's Hydraulic Ram, an article you either created or to which you significantly contributed,has been nominated to appear on Wikipedia's Main Page as part of Did you know . You can see the hook and the discussion here. You are welcome to participate! Thank you. EnterpriseyBot ( talk!) 12:00, 23 November 2019 (UTC)
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Doncram,
You commented on my deletion nom for Myrtle Beach Convention Center and I just wanted to make it clear that I was acting in good faith on my nom (you weren't suggesting I was, but I just wanted to make it clear). I messed up there (more in comment on nom). Thanks for the constructive feedback, feedback is the best way to learn. Thanks, Hog Farm ( talk) 04:11, 26 November 2019 (UTC)
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A tag has been placed on Category:Craftsman architecture in Georgia (U.S. state) requesting that it be speedily deleted from Wikipedia. This has been done under section C1 of the criteria for speedy deletion, because the category has been empty for seven days or more and is not a disambiguation category, a category redirect, a featured topics category, under discussion at Categories for discussion, or a project category that by its nature may become empty on occasion.
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Greetings. I noticed you moved the school in Louisiana to a separate page and redirected this page to a list of all Rosenwald schools. Do you think a disambig page at that name listing the schools that actually went by this name and also including a link to the list article might be better? I was interested in the one in Panama City (actually there are two, an original one and an unrelated new one of the same name). I find the individual schools get lost in a redirect to a list of all Rosenwald funded schools that went by various names. FloridaArmy ( talk) 00:22, 10 December 2019 (UTC)
I was thinking something along the linesof Draft:Rosenwald High School. I will see where the extant one in Panama City can be included so there's a link that is policy compliant. FloridaArmy ( talk) 01:23, 10 December 2019 (UTC)
That list isn't remotely complete, and I have no idea what criteria it assumes for "notability". Just previewing former high schools.in Louisiana I see Rosedale Rosenwald High School, New Roads Rosenwald High School, and Rosenwald Rosenwald-Covington High School. Which is why I don't think a redirect to the list article is adequate. FloridaArmy ( talk) 01:25, 10 December 2019 (UTC)
Also this NRHP draft was denied approval if you'd be willing to help. Thanks. FloridaArmy ( talk) 00:24, 10 December 2019 (UTC)
Yes, my interest arose from the man who was a prominent lawyer and politican. He founded Draft:Kinkeadtown. Trying to sort out one George Blackburn Kinkead from.another actually arose from trying to figure out who the alumni of Draft:Pisgah Academy were. So it was all a bit of a can of worms. And trying to work between drafts instead of articles is quite a bit more difficult because direct links aren't possible. I do the best I can. I am not an expert on every tool. FloridaArmy ( talk) 01:39, 10 December 2019 (UTC)
Certainly the article needs expanding on the architecture and history as well.as.coverage of the arts center. For what it's worth it's not at all clesr to me the home should be named.for Kinkead because he was born in 1849 and I thought.the home was.built.around then. And I really can't tell if there.is a connection between the two Kinkeads. It gets quite confusing and many sources.inckuding the center itself.mix up the two men. That's one of the reasons I think it's helpful.to cover them. Ome was anti-secession, pro-slavery, pro-colonization of freed slaves back to Africa. The younger one helped establish an African American community post Civil War. Oh and the older one was a lawyer for Abraham Lincoln. So there's a lot going on. FloridaArmy ( talk) 01:43, 10 December 2019 (UTC)
But the elder Kinkead seems like he may have lived in the same area too. Walnut was it? But now MLK? So it's a bit muddled for me. And I can't remember now if the NRHP doc was muddled too. I think it might have been. So I was just trying to establish some basics. FloridaArmy ( talk) 01:45, 10 December 2019 (UTC)
Hi Doncram, thank you for your reply that you sent to me in September. This is Jennifer Hardy. It's been a few months that I haven't been checking my Wikipedia messages after my article was removed. I'm still a bit new at communicating by using Wikipedia. My stage name "Jennifer Hardy CK" was up on the film "Spice It Up" Wikipedia page playing as the lead, my name was also up on the film "The Intestine" Wikipedia page, and my name was up on "Vancouver Film Critics Circle Award for Best Actress in a Canadian Film" Wikipedia page. I tried making my own article and had a helper to help me out but was hard to understand the rules well so it ended up being removed. I can't seem to find where it is now on Wikipedia but my article some how appeared in other links. If you go on google and type Jennifer Hardy CK Cloudpedia, that link looks just like my deleted article. If my article doesn't have enough sources, then I might have to wait for some years if I end up finding any new sources. -- Aalamina ( talk) 05:55, 11 Dec 2019 (UTC)
Re Not so, not about lakes, not about lots of things
Yes so, WP:5P1. Spinning Spark 13:32, 14 December 2019 (UTC)
Hi! I just came across the above article that appears to be a partial duplication of Elsinore White Rock Schoolhouse?
Thanks :-) Gjs238 ( talk) 19:24, 18 December 2019 (UTC)
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Hello Doncram: Enjoy the holiday season, and thanks for your work to maintain, improve and expand Wikipedia. Cheers, North America 1000 16:34, 20 December 2019 (UTC)
Hello Doncram: Enjoy the holiday season, and thanks for your work to maintain, improve and expand Wikipedia. Cheers, DBig Xrayᗙ Happy Holidays! 18:39, 24 December 2019 (UTC)
There was an architect in Washington state, A.H. Albertson or Albert H. Albertson that designed several NRHP building and doesn't have an article. Isn't there a list somewhere to track people we need articles for? I can't find it. MB 04:54, 28 December 2019 (UTC)
Discussion is at Talk:Golden Triangle, Denver. MB 21:50, 28 December 2019 (UTC)
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On 1 January 2020, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article Priestly's Hydraulic Ram, which you recently created, substantially expanded, or brought to good article status. The fact was ... that Priestly's Hydraulic Ram in Gooding County, Idaho, pumped water uphill with no moving parts? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Priestly's Hydraulic Ram. You are welcome to check how many page hits the article got while on the front page ( here's how, Priestly's Hydraulic Ram), and it may be added to the statistics page if the total is over 5,000. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.
— Amakuru ( talk) 00:01, 1 January 2020 (UTC)
I am about ready to ask you not to ever post on my Talk page again. Please don't be a pest. However, I will reply to your post here about what I consider to be some non-controversial edits removing promotional link and removing padding/duplication in an article. My response: The right place to discuss content of that article is at its Talk page, Talk:Bachelor Lake (Brown County, Minnesota), where i did open a discussion section for you to express your opinion. -- Doncram ( talk) 23:49, 1 January 2020 (UTC)
Category:Shotgun architecture in Tennessee, which you created, has been nominated for possible deletion, merging, or renaming. A discussion is taking place to decide whether this proposal complies with the categorization guidelines. If you would like to participate in the discussion, you are invited to add your comments at the category's entry on the categories for discussion page. Thank you. Rathfelder ( talk) 18:21, 4 January 2020 (UTC)
Do you think this arcchitect is notable? FloridaArmy ( talk) 19:42, 6 January 2020 (UTC)
You have redirected all of the lakes of Brown county Minn. I have reverted these redirects. We need discussion and or an AfD before these redirects. Esp after your controversial redirect on Bachelor Lake Lightburst ( talk) 23:40, 10 January 2020 (UTC)
Hello! I saw some of the Presby church list work you were doing yesterday and it looks like a big job. You could make this into a series of very big jobs if you wanted to. I'm almost sure all the big denominations have similar lists or at least historical societies or archives. I don't know where the Catholic churches would be hidden, but check out if there are Methodist, Episcopalian, Lutheran, ...., Mennonite, Moravian. Reformed probably has one also. The 2 Presbyterian books are pretty old, say 1960s or 1980s. Each site has a page but it is mostly taken up with a photo. Maybe 1-3 short paragraphs of text. I was looking at the map on the Presby website yesterday. If you hover on the red markers, some text appears - it might just be that text - pretty short. I have both volumes of the Presby histories, but where are they now? Who knows!
The reformed/Presby connection was fairly strong early in their histories as far as I can tell (also Puritan/Congregationalists were related as well) . Basically Reformed were mostly Dutch Calvinists and Presbys were Scottish Calvinists. Reformed has drifted away from that, perhaps a long time ago and are most UEB (United Evangelical Brethren ?) if I remember correctly.
Do check the Presbyterian Church photos I uploaded. They wanted me to be very conservative about copyright and I'm sure that most of the 100 kb pix on that map are mostly out of copyright. All I was allowed to upload was pre-1923 postcards, but many were published without copyrights, or I couldn't get a date, or the photo was definitely pre-1923 by look, but when was it printed? Also almost nobody ever renewed these copyrights, but I'd have to check, so that wasn't allowed.
Good luck.
Smallbones( smalltalk) 19:28, 13 January 2020 (UTC)
It's perfectly acceptable to open multiple AfDs on related articles without waiting for each one to finish. I felt that Congregational Churches in Leicester and List of Baptist churches in Leicester were fairly different enough from Methodist Churches in Leicester and each other (based on having "list" in the article name and number of notable entries) to not bundle them together, which WP:MULTIAFD suggests only for clear-cut cases.
I agree that the copying of comments is disruptive, which is why I objected to the behavior in one of the discussions (but also felt it necessary to refute the duplicated comments in the other discussion). However, your bolded note at the top of each AfD suggests that you find the actual opening of multiple AfDs disruptive – I strongly disagree with that and there is no consensus that having three open AfDs for three articles, regardless of similarity, is disruptive.
I'd also suggest that you remove the bolded diatribe at the end of the notice, since it contains accusations of improper procedures to which one can only respond by doing the very thing you are protesting : pasting the same response to the accusation across all three AfDs. — MarkH21 talk 05:50, 14 January 2020 (UTC)
I personally consider this disruptive/wasteful of editor attention, and it is worse because notice was not given. I suppose all comments here should be copied to the others and vice versa? Why not just let one AFD be settled, first. Please do not open any more.at the top of the discussion, not the rest of the notice. Remove it. — MarkH21 talk 06:12, 14 January 2020 (UTC)
But there is already cogent argument in the Methodist one that "Merge" is a viable option, and there is no way it should be outright deleted, and same applies to other ones. You do not see that.: My very first contribution to any of these discussions and still-standing !vote at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Methodist Churches in Leicester is merge. My view on the other two articles was deletion. — MarkH21 talk 06:59, 14 January 2020 (UTC)
How can you argue that the discussion should happen at just one of the two new AFDs, which you appear to do?: Then you misunderstand what I was saying. My point was that the editor would make comment X on AfD A. I refute (or even point out a mistake that the editor later agrees with) X on AfD A in comment Y. Then the editor copies comment X to AfD B without acknowledging any of the arguments in Y, forcing me to write Y on B again. I wasn't saying that discussion should only happen at only one of the AfDs; rather, to evolve the discussion at both naturally without copying comments over verbatim.— MarkH21 talk 06:59, 14 January 2020 (UTC)
Note you are yourself judgmental about User:Djflem in one or more of the AFDs. I don't think you can remove all that now, there was substantial interaction which should stay in the record.I never requested or made any attempt to remove any of the interaction. — MarkH21 talk 06:59, 14 January 2020 (UTC)
But you are not in position to make demands that others remove some mild judgement about your behavior, which caused all this anyhow, when you have done same.I am not asking that you entirely remove the judgment (in the sense of a personal attack / erasing it from the entire discussion), but to move it (e.g. to the bottom of the AfD). It's improper to place conduct accusations glaringly in bold at the top of each discussion and expect or demand that no response be made in the same public venue. I think it would be better if it was just moved, but otherwise I'll just place a short response underneath the comment. — MarkH21 talk 06:59, 14 January 2020 (UTC)
But, User:MarkH21, if you really do feel the judgemental part of my comment really should be removed, I wouldn't mind if we got a third opinion or otherwise compromise somehow. Do you want to suggest someone we could agree upon to serve as a judge on this matter? To make a more concrete proposal, I dunno, User:DGG happens to be the deletion nominator in another ongoing AFD that I just commented in, and they would likely be looking at these, and they are a very experienced administrator and have been an arbitrator several times. I have sometimes agreed, sometimes disagreed with them in other AFDs and interactions. If they read the above, and think it would be better to modify that bolded notice in the AFDs ( Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Methodist Churches in Leicester, Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Congregational Churches in Leicester, and Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of Baptist churches in Leicester), I would be fine with their doing so. DGG, could you consider that? I don't think doing so should prevent DGG from commenting/voting separately. -- Doncram ( talk) 06:53, 14 January 2020 (UTC)
opening multiple afds in succession is disruptiveis ambiguous, so perhaps a minor clarification in case there is confusion (and @ Doncram: please correct if I'm wrong): Doncram suggested that opening multiple related AfDs so that they are open at the same time is disruptive and to instead open them "in succession" so that at most one is open at any given time. — MarkH21 talk 07:14, 14 January 2020 (UTC)
clear-cutis a decent restriction).I also agree about mentioning related AfDs in the nomination if possible; I forgot in this case and I agree that doing so would have been courteous.On the difficulty of
how one deletion nominator can predict how discussion will goand multiple concurrent AfDs: I understand your reasoning but I disagree that it should be necessary or even customary. Editors should only nominate articles for deletion if they firmly believe that it should actually be deleted. Having similar AfDs open at the same time is also more efficient in that there is consistency from a similar body of editors looking at the AfDs in the same time frame if they are not drawn out over several weeks and editors do not have to re-analyze similar articles after leaving the frame of thinking / forgetting about the old AfDs. The concept of "learning" from each in a sequence of related AfDs isn't really present if there are different editors looking at them, if precedence doesn't matter, and if there is already a wealth of past articles that cover the whole gamut of nominated article types.Looking at these articles as they were when I nominated them ( Congregational churches in Leicester, List of Baptist churches in Leicester), I found no referenced material worth merging (and I still think that is true of the current state) and a clear violation of WP:NOTDIR#6. The only case for making a merge is if someone adds enough merge-able content during the actual timeline of the AfD, which is independent of the concurrency of the related AfDs. — MarkH21 talk 07:52, 14 January 2020 (UTC)
@ Doncram and DGG: While the above discussion is now largely focused on just the general question about sequential AfDs since the hatting solved the main original issue, I'd like to ask for some assistance regarding the three AfDs. Particularly at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Congregational Churches in Leicester (and Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of Baptist churches in Leicester), I feel like I'm banging my head against a wall here (it looks like Reywas92 does too). Particularly with the accusations here, I feel like I'm talking to an endless WP:IDHT wall that's directly contradicting policy... in the name of policy.
Distancing yourself from your actual views on the AfD decision, do either of you have advice here? Discussing with the editor on the AfD has clearly stopped being productive a long time ago. I suppose I should just stop engaging the editor to avoid further escalation; otherwise I'll keep taking the bait and the outcome of further discussion isn't going to help anyone. — MarkH21 talk 11:48, 14 January 2020 (UTC)
Looking at these articles as they were when I nominated them (Congregational churches in Leicester, List of Baptist churches in Leicester), I found no referenced material worth merging (and I still think that is true of the current state) and a clear violation of WP:NOTDIR#6. The only case for making a merge is if someone adds enough merge-able content during the actual timeline of the AfD, which is independent of the concurrency of the related AfDs.) you are simply wrong. That is NOT how AFDs work. You appear not to have performed wp:BEFORE, yourself, and you are arguing that only the current condition of the article is what matters. That is NOT so. If others establish solidly or if a majority judgment is that sources are likely to exist, then the article should be kept. wp:AFDISNOTFORCLEANUP. Your arguments are clearly "AFDISFORCLEANUP", which is WRONG. You have gotten a lot of attention here, and received the pretty unusual/huge benefit of having someone (me) back down and be really nice offering to allow myself to be overruled, and collapsing my own comment. That is highly unusual. With respect to Djflem and otherwise, you are pushing it and are, i think, hypocritical. Back off, I advise. At this point, a lot of leeway ought to be given to Djflem, instead, and not yourself. -- Doncram ( talk) 15:35, 14 January 2020 (UTC)
Then draftify it and work on it. You’re applying essays on wiki philosophies, whereas notability guidelines and WP:NOT policies suggest that the list article shouldn’t exist.That is judgmental and wrong, IMHO; guidelines and policies go the other way, in my own pretty strong opinion. Let others speak. -- Doncram ( talk) 15:48, 14 January 2020 (UTC)
you have now collapsed a lot that includes decent points made by Djflem presumably because you judge they are invalid, i.e. that it is now collapsed for the purpose of hiding the comments, is absolutely incorrect as I explicitly said here on the AfD talk page before (with the boxes now not autocollapsed with which Djflem seems to not have had a problem). It's amazing that you don't find any issue with the conduct of Djflem here.Regardless, the conduct, discussion, and policy arguments have been made repeatedly on the AfDs and nothing productive will come out of any more discussion that any of the three of us have with each other so you are correct that I should stop commenting. I have neutrally posted links to the three AfDs on the WikiProjects added by Djflem and I will stop discussing with Djflem and you about these AfDs (except in response to any additional allegations of misconduct). — MarkH21 talk 20:14, 14 January 2020 (UTC) (Minor corrections 22:37, 14 January 2020 (UTC))
(i removed some stuff that was here --doncram)
Hi Doncram:
I was on a long and unplanned hiatus from Wikipedia. Unfortunately I am now longer able to roam around and take photos of NRHP sites as I had planned for 2019. At some point I will look at my photo roll and see if there are any images worth uploading to the commons. I imagine at some point I will create some more articles from the downtown Houston NRHP list. I had created one for the Stowers Building before I left. I had a very nice breakfast one day at the same building while canvassing downtown Houston for photos.
If you are still interested in developing Albert A. Pope and Pope Manufacturing Company to their potential, I would like to take a crack at that sometime this year. I am very knowledgeable about his activities related to the bicycle, but I am lagging in knowledge about his work with the automobile. Of tangential interest, years before I had ever read about Pope, I had taken a random route through the Connecticut River Valley which took me through Ansonia, CT, where Pierre Lallement had tinkered with and tested his prototype for what is arguably the first bicycle. The factory where he had worked still stands. I have seen that factory building, though I did not understand its significance at the time. Now I can look at the Google street views of the area and imagine Lallement struggling to ride his boneshaker along the bluffs of the Connecticut River, while recalling that this machine had no brakes! Best, Oldsanfelipe2 ( talk) 13:21, 15 January 2020 (UTC)
Gooday Doncram - belated Happy New Year. I've been looking at some Commons uploads and thought you'd like to see File:Bray Hill (1904).jpg where the thatched cottage #105 at Registered Buildings of the Isle of Man is well visible ( Gaggle Streetview). To the right the slightly sunken house with the chimneys marked the area of race machine assembly area for the early TTs. To left of the road, on the crest (before the drop down to Quarter Bridge) the tall building is Woodlands Lodge, which demarked the end of the relatively flat area used for the race-start sequence (you have the main house at #190).
Looking at the licensing it's strange, and my favourite WP/Commons admin has been inactive for around nine months, but I'd guess it's not possible to crop a piece out as a separate file showing the thatched cottage. I'll save it to my old computer where I have most of the archived stuff. b rgds,-- Rocknrollmancer ( talk) 20:40, 15 January 2020 (UTC)
This pic shows generally the reverse angle from the 'chimneys' with Bray Hill in the distance. And here is a close up. And here is the reverse-angle close up - the house with bay window and quoin stones is on the corner of Selborne Drive. And here is a reverse-angle longer shot.
I've not looked at this museum site for maybe three years as I have the images saved; there's another I can't find online presently, but you'll get the basics. Enjoy!
-- Rocknrollmancer ( talk) 03:05, 16 January 2020 (UTC)I have moved American Presbyterian/Reformed Historic Sites Registry to Draft:American Presbyterian/Reformed Historic Sites Registry due to the excessive number of errors on the page, specifically disambiguation links. Please note that excessive disambiguation links in a list tend to indicate that other blue links on the list may be pointing to the wrong targets. Please fix all the disambiguation links and check other links for correctness before restoring to mainspace. Cheers! BD2412 T 22:46, 15 January 2020 (UTC)
I found some sources. Take a look at the AFD, may now be a keep. MB 00:06, 16 January 2020 (UTC)
There are two architects named George W. Hellmuth. The Albert Bond Lambert House was built between 1902 and 1903. Your George Hellmuth wasn't born until 1907. However, his father George W. Hellmuth was born in 1870 and died in 1955. http://dynamic.stlouis-mo.gov/history/peopledetail.cfm?Master_ID=2164 Durindaljb ( talk) 06:20, 16 January 2020 (UTC)
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09:22, 20 January 2020 (UTC)it isn't necessary to ping me if I have made a typo in my writing or my usage of categories.
isn't necessary. But when I checked, I found:
Doncram ( block log • active blocks • global blocks • contribs • deleted contribs • filter log • creation log • change block settings • unblock • checkuser ( log))
Request reason:
I dispute the suggestion that I have done anything besides make useful contributions; I have done nothing to deserve being blocked. BHG accuses me of having persisted in doing something repeatedly against consensus and after having been blocked for it by BHG before, which is not accurate. It is hard for me to assume good faith here, but AGF interpretation is that BHG mis-remembers what happened in the previous block.
I find that right now, being blocked, that I do not even have the ability to cite diffs or past versions of articles, because the blocking prevents me from doing so. I can see diffs and past versions of articles, but I cannot see, much less copy-and-paste, the URL-bar links to them. As an immediate matter, could someone please unblock my account so that I can reply more properly to BHGs charges?
What has happened, in my view, is that User:BrownHairedGirl (BHG), an administrator, has acted wrongly, culminating in this block which is in effect an involved block, and is in fact conduct unbecoming for an administrator.
What happened (without diffs because I am blocked from citing them):
Decline reason:
This is over 1500 words. You need to reduce this to around 100 or 200 words. NinjaRobotPirate ( talk) 22:05, 20 January 2020 (UTC)
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zappedDoncram. Merriam-Webster defines zapped as to get rid of, destroy, or kill especially with or as if with sudden force, etc. Using that language to describe a civil notification is WP:BATTLEGROUND conduct.
make up a criminal standard of their own and impose it upon me with no processis utter nonsense in substance, and that fact that it is nonsense has been explained to Doncram many times. As to Doncram's hyperbolic use of the word "criminal" ... sheesh.
BHG did not reply to the discussion on their page that I opened, and instead blocked meis demonstrably false as a matter of fact. I replied at 09:19, and blocked at 09:22.
bots should address any contents of Special:WantedCategoriesis more nonsense. Cleaning up Special:WantedCategories needs human judgement. It can't be done by a bot, which is why a few human editors work long hours cleaning up the mess.
Gee I am sorry I misunderstood the timing of one of their edits; it doesn't change anything here... try to learn a little but of manners. You made a whole set of allegations of misconduct against me, without checking our facts, which is why I used some of my limited time on this earth to disprove a slur which you chose to try to make. When your attempt at a smear is disprove, please have the decency to simply apologise for your error, and not to use sarcasm to claim that your falsehoods and slurs and irrelevant.
BHG is extrapolating wildly from what wp:REDNOT says to assert a time limit and to assert that it must be me who fix any temporary red link i created. There is no extrapolation at all here: WP:REDNOT says don't do it. Expecting others to cleanup after you is classic disruptive editing.
You seem to me to be asserting that the number one issue in Wikipedia is that redlink categories should not exist, over all other priorities. No, of course, this isn't the most important issue on en.wp, not by a very long way. What makes it an issue here is that Doncram's uniquely persistent, and long-term deliberate refusal to follow WP:REDNOT. This endless, intentional repetition of a simple error wastes a lot of time for a lot of other editors: in other words, it's disruptive editing.
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Blocking and not removing this block constitute unacceptable abuse of admin power/tools by the administrator BHG.
1. BHG's decision to block was partially based on their incorrect belief/assertion that I had done what I was blocked for previously (re-creation of a category without new CFD consensus). They cite endorsement by another admin as if their view on the different question here has been supported, which it was not. They have not admitted this or apologized. The fact of their mistake is pretty good reason why they should not insist on continuing the block. They have not admitted this or apologized.
2. Otherwise, we simply have a disagreement. I have explained well enough how and why I operate as I do, which sometimes allows redlink categories into mainspace, while allowing me and cooperating others to specialize and get more and better categorization done. It is not a case of IDHT, it is a case of "i do not believe your assertion about process", where BHG's assertion has not been supported. BHG has not, and I think cannot, point to any real support for their assertion.
Frankly, it is abuse of admin power to decree a rule and enforce it with blocks. I have offered to participate in RFC or other discussion; they show no willingness to discuss and in fact blocked me for my temerity in bringing up the issue at their Talk page. This is not what an admin should do.
About 1: BHG;s reasoning included "that the non-existent Category:Late 19th and 20th Century Revivals architecture in the United States has been repeatedly re-created by you after its deletion by consensus at WP:CFD" and "that I had previously blocked you for trying again to re-populate it: see User talk:Doncram/Archive 29#November_2018" and "that the block was upheld by the reviewing admin User:JBW". That is irrelevant here: JBW did agree with BHG on the issue of my trying to re-establish a previously deleted category, which I had tried to do in part by use of an admin category, intending to accumulate examples and then go to CFD. But after the block I gave up about that and it did not happen again.
About 2: The disagreement between BHG and myself otherwise about how wikipedia works, or should work, in the area of categorizing articles, and BHG or other admin should have recognized that by now, and cancelled the block. BHG is involved, obviously, in the disagreement and should not be enforcing their view. We have disagreed before, in discussion at my Talk and theirs. All they are doing is re-stating their view, and citing a statement which does not address the question. Insulting me by repetition fails to convince me about what are the policies/guidelines/practices associated with process of trying and adding categories. I know for a fact that Wikipedia did not always operate as BHG asserts it does now (as if accidental or purposeful trying of categories is a blockable offense); there was cooperative, natural specialization of editors interested in different aspects of article development. Those who liked creating articles did so, and omitted categories or took a shot at specifying categories and related stub tags. WikiGnomes, notably including User:Pegship about stub categories, chose to address categories and stub tags, and developed their specialization to do so. Multiple creations of redlink categories was considered as evidence that perhaps new categories were needed. Or their familiarity with existing categories allowed them to find existing ones to replace redlink ones. Wikipedia talk:Special:WantedCategories, the Talk page for shows some old evidence of that. Some time back I questioned BHG at their Talk whether it was they who put in the current wording that they cite; they did reply. I looked into it and could find no RFC or other discussion, it seemed that an editor just inserted it without discussion. It did/does not address timing or any idea of punishment/encouragement at all. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Doncram ( talk • contribs) 01:12, 21 January 2020 (UTC)
Decline reason:
Sorry, but this is just another variation of "unblock me because I was right". The fact that you dispute the basis of the block is a given: only deliberate vandals would not do so.
Instead, you should show how you will avoid future disruption. Guy ( help!) 23:45, 21 January 2020 (UTC)
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we simply have a disagreement. This is not a personal disagreement. It is a matter of Doncram disagreeing with the long-standing guidance WP:REDNOT.
abuse of admin power to decree a rule and enforce it with blocks. If that was true, then maybe it would be an abuse of power. But Doncram's assertion is demonstrably false: I did not
decree a rule. Doncram's repeated bogus allegations of misconduct are appalling behaviour; they are a form of smear.
All they are doing is re-stating their view. Not true; I am restating a long-standing guideline, whose wording is very clear. The rule is in the guideline WP:REDNOT, which I have never edited. (The section was added [17] in 2010, after discussion at Wikipedia_talk:Red_link/Archive_1#Avoiding_creation_of_certain_types_of_red_links. The wording was tweaked in 2018 [18] Doncram could have checked that history himself, and should have done so before casting aspersion, but instead of doing so has chosen to repeatedly malign my good faith in discussions above, and in the latest unblock request has falsely claimed that
it seemed that an editor just inserted it without discussion).
You need to reduce this to around 100 or 200 words. — MarkH21 talk 03:11, 21 January 2020 (UTC)
decreed a rule, and Doncram yet again ignoring the simple fact that they were blocked for re-populating a category which has been deleted three times after they re-created it in defiance of a CFD consensus.
Apparently, my infobox generator was allowing "Late 19th and 20th Century Revivals architecture in the United States" to be listed as a category, even though it doesn't exist. I've always cautioned editors to be careful and to proofread the output of the infobox generator, but sometimes people don't do that. So, I made a code fix.
In common.php around line 424:
// HACK of a fix so people don't keep stuffing bogus categories into infoboxes if (strcmp($row[0], "Category:Late 19th and 20th Century Revivals architecture in the United States" == 0) ) { $row[0] = "THIS CATEGORY DOES NOT EXIST"; continue; }
I need to get back to my day job now, but suffice it to say that I think this should alleviate the problem. -- Elkman (Elkspeak) 16:07, 22 January 2020 (UTC)
In one of doncram's many subpages I found links to previous category disagreements between doncram and BrownHairedGirl. One of those links is an addition to the Categoriazation Guideline:
doncram's notes also indicate that no discussion took place Talk page archive 10. Perhaps doncram is finding it difficult to believe a consensus of one is at the root of his block? 76.119.40.77 ( talk) 16:53, 22 January 2020 (UTC)
Doncram post above [20] (17:09, 22 January 2020) continues to display at best an WP:IDHT approach. At worst, Doncram is telling lies.
This point has been raised by Doncram before, and I responded in a post above, [21] timestamped "02:16, 21 January 2020" in the log (and "02:15, 21 January 2020" in the sig). Here's what I wrote:
it seemed that an editor just inserted it without discussion).
It took me only about 5 minutes to check the above.
Sadly, Doncram has chosen not hear what I wrote above, and has chosen not do his own checks. Instead Doncram falsely states that this I.P. editor is the only respondent so far who has attempted to point to any past discussion which might have established the consensus
. That is untrue.
Doncram also writes It was/is entirely reasonable for me as target of that admin, to object i do not see where they are coming from; they certainly did not reply seriously on this
. This is another demonstrably false statement, which misrepresents my actions: I did reply seriously on this, at 02:16, 21 January 2020
[24].
If Doncram is acting in good faith, then then they will promptly strike both of those false statements. I understand that Domcram does not like being blocked, but that resentment does not give Doncram a licence to tell lies ... and if Donmcram is not a liar and does not intend to deceive, then they can demonstrate their good faith by striking their false assertions. -- BrownHairedGirl (talk) • ( contribs) 22:26, 22 January 2020 (UTC)
I do see this process is working badly for me, and that others are not agreeing to, say, rule that BHG overstepped their admin role and should be chastised/reversed or whatever. An unblock request process is simply not ever going to do that; it is not the right forum. It is my understanding that the unblock request process cannot handle a defense of "what i did is not wrong"; the only allowable defense is "i confess i was wrong and i promise to not do that again". Facts as I see them are:
I understand that none of this probably matters to the admin or to the participants here or at wp:ANI who have self-selected in (with scant exception, perhaps just one exception that I know of). I wanted to express, at least here, some of the impacts and facts as I see them. I would actually welcome comments and advice about what should be done, and how I could possibly proceed. Besides quitting Wikipedia, say, which would be personally wrenching, but might be one of few ways for me to continue in my life with any dignity. -- Doncram ( talk) 16:56, 22 January 2020 (UTC)
please be in no doubt that if after this block expires there is any resumption of your disruptive rejection of repeated consensus on the same point, then I will block you for much longer, possibly indefinitely.That warning still stands.
I have posted a request for a block review.-- Deep fried okra 11:32, 21 January 2020 (UTC)
As an aside to all the above discussion, if you had spent the time researching and writing the article instead of writing many paragraphs arguing about nonexisting categories and appealing for an unblock, the article would be a lot better quality. The casual reader would be able to get a sense of what a platoon school actually is and why it was innovative for its time.
Also, you left the "architect OR builder" wording in the template, instead of changing it to just "architect". (Remember when you asked me to make that change to the infobox generator?) And, it's Renaissance Revival architecture, despite the NRIS just listing it as "Late 19th and 20th Century Revivals".
Do us all a favor and spend the time researching and writing the articles, instead of writing page after page of arguments and unblock appeals and other non-article content. -- Elkman (Elkspeak) 13:56, 21 January 2020 (UTC)
I'd read all of the disagreements between you and BHG as a dispute between two editors, but I seem to be the only one who sees it that way so I stand corrected. Regardless, I hope you resolve the issue quickly to get back to writing content. Schazjmd (talk) 21:37, 21 January 2020 (UTC)
Revisit First Methodist Episcopal Church (Salt Lake City, Utah) about change of NRHP listing name being out of order, tho sure allow commentary on longest name.
You did some updates on this one and left it in an "under construction" state. Maybe you can revisit sometime? MB 03:48, 26 January 2020 (UTC)
I trust you are enjoying a short wiki-break and hope you will be back building content soon.-- Rocknrollmancer ( talk) 03:00, 30 January 2020 (UTC)
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Thanks for your comment. I'm sorry I have contributed to the AfD being unpleasant, I actually just wanted to move forward on improving the article with a bit more time than just the time elapsing during an AfD (especially when editors have offered to do that, and I'm happy to help to the limited extent I can). I just find the comments (and I don't mean from you at all) to the effect that it "must be immediately removed from mainspace" and the like really unhelpful. My comment about editors disliking religious-themed articles stemmed from a !vote in the first AfD that was explicitly to that effect, but also the feeling that it seems that articles like that are subjected to far more scrutiny than other AfDs I have participated in, where finding a couple of sources is more than enough for a keep !vote. But I can see it was an unfair generalisation.
I'm very happy to help with any religious-themed articles - over the past month I've created articles on just about every current bishop in the Anglican Church in Australia (many of them were missing) so happy to find somewhere to contribute more than making unconstructive edits at AfDs. Bookscale ( talk) 10:54, 12 February 2020 (UTC)
Sorry for hounding you in the AfD. At the time, I just felt like I was defending my position, but looking back at it now, I can see how annoying and in-your-face I was being. Bait30 Talk? 01:29, 13 February 2020 (UTC)
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Hi! I'm de-orphaning places on the NRHP and I came across Innis Dye Works. I was wondering if I could get some help - I cannot for the life of me figure out what's up with it. It's not listed at National Register of Historic Places listings in Poughkeepsie, New York, the link with the NHRP reference number doesn't work (straight up just shows a blank page), a raw search of the NHRP database doesn't produce any results... I'm stumped. I can't think of any other way to figure out if it's an individual listing, a contributing property, or if it's even on the NHRP. Since you seem to be the resident NHRP guru, I was wondering if you could help at all? ♠ PMC♠ (talk) 01:29, 23 February 2020 (UTC)
I remember a year or so ago you were concerned that I may have made some mistakes in fixing some of these issues. Today I found Robertson County Courthouse (Tennessee), and it just looked wrong to me to have two names in the architect field in such a short article. So I went to the nom form and found one was the architect and the other the builder. The infobox had them both listed as architect from when it was created in June 2009. I'm guessing that was just what the infobox generator tool did back then? Do you think there could be many more of these? There are so many very short articles like this one that don't get much attention....
On another note, I created another NRHP article quite unintentionally. I went to write about the Apache Powder Company - due to a AFD on the place it was located - and when I was almost done with the article I found there was a HD associated with the company - a group of adjacent houses rented to management. So the HD is covered in the company article also. MB 01:24, 26 February 2020 (UTC)
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There is currently a discussion at Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents regarding an issue with which you may have been involved. Bacondrum ( talk) 05:25, 6 March 2020 (UTC)
Hi, I moved the article to draftspace for now because of the issue at Talk:Buffalo Presbyterian Church (Montello, Wisconsin)#Wrong church?. Hopefully this can be figured out soon... kind of a strange one. — MarkH21 talk 04:28, 9 March 2020 (UTC)
I have reviewed the ANI thread that resulted from your "nyah" comment. That posting can only be understood as taunting, and was improper. Do not do anything like that again. If you do, I will block you for a substantial period of time. Newyorkbrad ( talk) 17:10, 10 March 2020 (UTC)
Hi, thanks for your comment at The Cunninghams AFD. On another topic I wonder if you might be interested in creating an article for The Marine Hotel in Brora, Scotland - its a Grade II listed building so it qualifies under WP:NGEO and its chef has a michelin star unless he's left in this crisis, regards Atlantic306 ( talk)
The Brilliant Idea Barnstar | |
For your thoughtful resolution of the Taman Bunga Merdeka matter. BD2412 T 03:27, 3 April 2020 (UTC) |
Hi Doncram, there is already a disambiguation page at Jefferson Hotel. Would it make more sense to make The Jefferson Hotel a redirect to that page? The only article that would need to be added is The Jefferson. Leschnei ( talk) 12:10, 5 April 2020 (UTC)
An editor has asked for a discussion to address the redirect Cortes (disambiguation page). Since you had some involvement with the Cortes (disambiguation page) redirect, you might want to participate in the redirect discussion if you wish to do so. 1234qwer1234qwer4 ( talk) 13:35, 5 April 2020 (UTC)
An editor has asked for a discussion to address the redirect Elmhurst (disambiguation page). Since you had some involvement with the Elmhurst (disambiguation page) redirect, you might want to participate in the redirect discussion if you wish to do so. 1234qwer1234qwer4 ( talk) 14:47, 5 April 2020 (UTC)
An editor has asked for a discussion to address the redirect Elmhirst (disambiguation page). Since you had some involvement with the Elmhirst (disambiguation page) redirect, you might want to participate in the redirect discussion if you wish to do so. 1234qwer1234qwer4 ( talk) 14:48, 5 April 2020 (UTC)
An editor has asked for a discussion to address the redirect Trinity United Methodist Curch. Since you had some involvement with the Trinity United Methodist Curch redirect, you might want to participate in the redirect discussion if you wish to do so. Regards, SONIC 678 15:18, 9 April 2020 (UTC)
Thanks for your help in building the Leicester churches list. I've always believed that one of the best indicators of high intelligence is the ability to keep an open mind and adjust when one's original beliefs are shown to be wrong. With the combined efforts of all, this is turning into a pretty decent article.
I've long believed that Catholic churches are one of the most under-represented areas for Wikipedia article development. The Catholic Church (at least in the US) appears to be reluctant to seek historic designation for its churches and other buildings -- probably because (a) there's no property-tax incentive for a church to seek such designation (since they are exempt anyway), and (b) the designation impose restrictions on potential redevelopment without the counterbalancing tax savings. Lists of churches such as the Leicester list and similar lists in California (e.g., Our Lady of the Angels Pastoral Region) can be great resources not only for church organization purposes, but also for identifying historically significant structures that have been overlooked. If you have any interest in further work in this area, I'd be happy to help. Cbl62 ( talk) 21:23, 13 April 2020 (UTC)
Hi Doncram, doing some work on heritage sites in WA I came across your 2018 article No. 1 Fire Station (Perth, Western Australia). This looks a lot like a double-up of Old Perth Fire Station, created in 2008. If you don't object I would suggest making your's a redirect as it is only a short stub. Please let me know what you think, Calistemon ( talk) 14:36, 15 April 2020 (UTC)
You recently copied the content from the draft to the same page in the article namespace. However, the articles is not proven to pass WP:Notability. Please submit it for WP:AfC when you are ready. CrazyBoy826 ( talk) 20:24, 26 April 2020 (UTC)
Hi. You said that "To the badgerers, (...) I disagree with you, and I don't care to listen to your opinion; others here are not idiots
" (emphasis mine), which to me seems to suggest that those that you do not consider badgerers are not idiots, while the "others here", i.e. the "badgerers", are idiots. Though I may have misread your comment; English is not my native language. --
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I notice you are creating a whole series of articles for these hotels. They are presumably notable (or at least the building they are in is notable, the hotels are not always that old themselves), but the website yuu use, which should in theory be a neutral one, actually reads like the most spammy promo site. The texts on it are most likely written by the hotel owners or staff and not by some independent writers. Could you please base your articles on independent, neutral sources and not just on the "Historic Hotels" site? They are just good enough to verify that a hotel is listed as a "historic hotel", but nothing more. Examples of such promo pieces used in your articles (as only source): [26], [27], [28]... That last one comes from Inn on Boltwood, which you created but seem to have abandoned a bit soon, judging from the text. Fram ( talk) 10:02, 6 May 2020 (UTC)
I moved the main article to draft space, Draft:Historic Hotels of America. The article contains too many internal discussion comments, which is not something we may have in the mainspace. Either have a "clean" version in the mainspace, and a working version with comments elsewhere (draft, talk, project space), or wait to have a mainspace version until the commented version is finalized and cleaned up. As an example, a text like "(doncram: the only Shingle Style one of all HHAs?)" should never appear in an article (not because it is "doncram", the same question directed at "fram" would be equally unacceptable there) Fram ( talk) 11:31, 6 May 2020 (UTC)
Fine, discussion started at WP:ANI#Historic Hotels of America. Fram ( talk) 12:15, 6 May 2020 (UTC)
Did you see that it got deleted? I see absolutely no consensus for that do you?† Encyclopædius 20:42, 6 May 2020 (UTC)
I've reverted your changes at the talk page [29], as they introduced large copyright violations. Adding quotes around a text doesn't give you (or anyone) the right to copy whole sections of text as is. E.g. a '294 word setion copied straight from here is not allowed anywhere on enwiki. Please try to avoid using copyrighted text, or reduce it to the very minimum: in most cases, simply linking to the information and stating in your own words what the issue is, is more than sufficient. Fram ( talk) 08:05, 8 May 2020 (UTC)
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