The result of the discussion was: no consensus. What a mess this discussion was. With all the hyper-extended arguments, and the canvassing of hundreds of editors, this discussion became doomed and it's not really possible to find a consensus within it. No prejudice against renomination. ‑Scottywong | express _ 06:51, 30 July 2019 (UTC)
Abandoned micro-portal. Only 2 selected articles and 2 selected biogs. No new content added since 2008.
WP:POG requires that portals should be about "broad subject areas, which are likely to attract large numbers of interested readers and portal maintainers". But in practice, this portal has not attracted maintainers for over a decade, and it also has almost no readers: in Jan–Feb 2019, it got only 24 pageviews per day, compared with 3,625 views per day for the head article Colorado. BrownHairedGirl (talk) • ( contribs) 15:48, 25 June 2019 (UTC)
This is an unmaintained and little-viewed portal on a state of the United States. The following is a listing of the least-viewed state portals:
Title | Portal Page Views | Article Page Views | Comments | Ratio | Percent | Articles |
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North Dakota | 8 | 1869 | Originator inactive since 2011. Not mained since 2007. | 233.63 | 0.43% | 12 |
New Hampshire | 8 | 2394 | No maintenance since 2008. Two articles. Two biographies. | 299.25 | 0.33% | 4 |
South Dakota | 8 | 1726 | No maintenance since 2010. | 215.75 | 0.46% | 6 |
Montana | 9 | 3786 | Originator inactive since 2010. Last maintenance in 2008. | 420.67 | 0.24% | 12 |
Idaho | 9 | 2377 | Originator inactive since 2011. Two biographies. Two articles. Last maintained in 2008. | 264.11 | 0.38% | 4 |
Maine | 10 | 2999 | 299.90 | 0.33% | ||
West Virginia | 10 | 2644 | Originator inactive since 2011. No maintenance since 2011. | 264.40 | 0.38% | |
Vermont | 10 | 2081 | 5 articles and 3 bios, last updated in 2008. Last tweaked in 2016. | 208.10 | 0.48% | 8 |
Nebraska | 10 | 2929 | Originator inactive since 2012. No maintenance since 2010. | 292.90 | 0.34% | 2 |
Wyoming | 11 | 3713 | Editor edits sporadically. News is obsolete. 4 articles and 1 bio, last updated in 2008. | 337.55 | 0.30% | 5 |
Iowa | 11 | 2516 | No maintenance since 2011. | 228.73 | 0.44% | 15 |
South Carolina | 12 | 2409 | Originator inactive since 2013. Last maintenance 2009. | 200.75 | 0.50% | 4 |
Delaware | 12 | 2483 | Originator banned. Selected pages same as in 2007. | 206.92 | 0.48% | |
Rhode Island | 12 | 2760 | Last article update 2012. | 230.00 | 0.43% | 24 |
Wisconsin | 13 | 3132 | Originator inactive since 2009. | 240.92 | 0.42% | |
Oklahoma | 13 | 2708 | Originator inactive since 2007. Has had some maintenance since then. | 208.31 | 0.48% | 63 |
Nevada | 14 | 2600 | 185.71 | 0.54% | ||
Indiana | 14 | 2787 | Originator inactive since 2010. No maintenance since 2010, except news is 2016. | 199.07 | 0.50% | |
Kentucky | 14 | 2927 | No maintenance since 2010. | 209.07 | 0.48% | |
Kansas | 14 | 2813 | Originator inactive since 2014. | 200.93 | 0.50% | |
Mississippi | 14 | 2737 | Originator inactive since 2012. | 195.50 | 0.51% | |
Minnesota | 15 | 3785 | Originator inactive since 2018. | 252.33 | 0.40% | |
Maryland | 15 | 3315 | Originator inactive since 2016. | 221.00 | 0.45% | |
Connecticut | 16 | 3109 | Being reworked by MJL. | 194.31 | 0.51% | |
Michigan | 16 | 3912 | Originator inactive since 2013 | 244.50 | 0.41% | |
Louisiana | 16 | 3186 | Originator inactive since 2007. | 199.13 | 0.50% | |
New Mexico | 16 | 3332 | Originator inactive since 2013. | 208.25 | 0.48% | |
North Carolina | 16 | 3747 | Originator last edited in 2011. One featured article at a time without other articles. | 234.19 | 0.43% | 1 |
Utah | 16 | 2857 | Originator inactive since 2007. Last maintenance 2009. | 178.56 | 0.56% | 46 |
Missouri | 17 | 3424 | Selected biography out of date. Last updates appear to be 2011. | 201.41 | 0.50% | 41 |
Georgia (state) | 17 | 4088 | Originator inactive since 2009. | 240.47 | 0.42% | |
Washington | 17 | 3881 | After correction for renaming. (Total of 39 pageviews in two months.) | 228.29 | 0.44% | |
Alaska | 18 | 6775 | Originator edits sporadically. Last maintained in 2012 except for AWB tweaks. | 376.39 | 0.27% | 28 |
Tennessee | 18 | 2972 | Originator inactive since 2016. Last maintenance 2011. | 165.11 | 0.61% | 11 |
A complete listing of state portals with metrics can be seen at WP:US State Portal Metrics. Portals that are not maintained are useless, and, if the information that is facing the reader becomes out-of-date, they are worse than useless, because anyone can edit an article, but heritage portals with subpages contain old copies of articles that require special knowledge to edit.
A state of the United States may be considered a priori to be a broad subject area, but this portal has been shown a posteriori not to be attracting readers or a portal maintainer. A portal is a miniature Main Page and requires a substantial investment in volunteer time.
This portal should be deleted without prejudice to re-creating a portal maintained by a volunteer who is willing to invest the time to support a miniature Main Page under the portal guidelines that are in effect at the time. Robert McClenon ( talk) 16:37, 26 June 2019 (UTC)
Only 2 selected articles and 2 selected biogs. No new content added since 2008. I checked the content subpages, and that was the basis of the nomiantion.
Only 2 selected articles and 2 selected biogs, and no new articles have been added since 20-08. I am sorry that you find this simple fact difficult to understand, but it's verifiably true.
update this portal on a regular basis. You portalspace edits this year show a bunch of tweaks to Portal:Colorado/State Facts and Portal:Colorado/Events.
we can upgrade many of these portals to meet your standardslooks fanciful. It looks to me like an assurance given by someone with little or no idea of how much work is involved or how low the returns are.
an all or nothing approach to portals. I am trying to uphold the core principle of WP:PORTAL: "Portals serve as enhanced 'Main Pages' for specific broad subjects". In other words, the purpose of a portal is to offer a lot more than the main page.
grow up and drop the victim spiel
" is, frankly, very saddening to see from an administrator and definitely doesn't appear to be proper
WP:WQ. --
Pennstatephil (
talk) 15:53, 8 July 2019 (UTC)
Some editors have stated that particular levels of regions should have portals. User:Kusma wrote (in April, in an MFD): "all countries should have portals". User:Northamerica1000 wrote: "I consider U.S. states to meet WP:POG guidelines in terms of being broad enough in topical scope to qualify for a portal." Such statements raise a two-part question, having to do with people, and with policies.
The first part of the question is: Who is expected to do what in order to provide the portal? Should Wikipedia provide and maintain a portal? Should Wikipedia provide a portal without maintaining it? Should Wikipedia provide a portal, contingent on having a portal maintainer and a portal maintenance plan? Should the Internet, of which Wikipedia is a prominent site, provide a portal? If only that, the government of the nation, state, or province can and almost certainly does provide and maintain a portal in the form of its web site, as do lesser regions such as counties, cantons, districts, communes, cities, towns, townships, boroughs, and villages.
If Wikipedia is expected to provide and maintain a portal, how can that obligation be reconciled with Wikipedia is not compulsory? If Wikipedia is only expected to provide an empty portal, what good is that? It appears that the implication is that Wikipedia is expected to provide a portal to a maintainer and to continue to keep the portal facing outward toward the readers whether or not it is being maintained. Portal advocates who think that particular levels of regions "should have" portals should clarify what obligation they are implying and on whom. Robert McClenon ( talk) 15:36, 5 July 2019 (UTC)
The second part of the question is how the idea that countries or states "should have" portals should be reflected in Wikipedia's policies and guidelines. At present, the page that is designated as the Portal Guidelines states that portals should be about broad subject areas that will attract readers and portal maintainers. Portal advocates have focused on the reference to "broad subject areas" and have disregarded the two-part reference to readers and portal maintainers. At present, the status of the portal guidelines is in dispute. Those who would like to retain existing regional portals, and possibly create more regional portals, may either deal with the existing guidelines or propose to revise them. If they prefer to deal with the existing guidelines, there are two issues. The first is that the status of the guidelines is in doubt, appearing to have been a failed proposal. The second is that the existing document refers to readers and maintainers, who cannot simply be assumed or willed into existence. Since the present (contested) guidelines refer not simply to broad subject areas, but to broad subject areas that will attract readers and portal maintainers, any specific portal can be shown by observation not to be attracting readers or maintainers.
The other option for the advocates of regional portals, or for anyone who wants to provide better guidelines with regard to portals, would be to publish a Request for Comments to implement new portal guidelines, either the old guidelines, or a slightly revised version of the old guidelines, or an entirely new set of guidelines. In that case, advocates of regional portals should be on notice that the new guidelines either should explicitly identify certain subjects that are considered portal-worthy even without maintenance, or it can be understood that regional portals, like other subject areas, are only considered to be broad subject areas if they demonstrate that they attract readers and maintainers. Robert McClenon ( talk) 15:36, 5 July 2019 (UTC)
Thank you. We've created a regional WikiProject or work group for every member state of the United Nations and many dependent states and regions. It is the responsibility of each regional WikiProject to maintain its own portal. The WikiProjects for small and non-English-speaking countries usually have very few members, and in some cases, no active members. This may make portal maintenance very difficult for these WikiProjects. These small and non-English-speaking regions are, however, precisely the regions from which we are most interested in attracting new editors. These regions often have a disproportionately minor coverage in Wikipedia. (Wikipedia knows every time Cardi B sneezes, but seems to care little about Eswatini.) If you look at User:Buaidh/Geographic portals, many of the deleted portal are from these small and non-English-speaking regions. I think WikiProject Portals should make their top priority to assist these undermaned regions rebuild their portals. I think the creation of a Regional portals work group under WikiProject Portals would be a great idea and I would certainly help with this effort.
Every article about a region should link to the regional portal in the See also section, and most do. If that portal is deleted or redirected, it can cause user confusion. Every article about a region should also link to the regional WikiProject on the talk page, but many novice or casual users may not realize this. This means that the regional portal link may be the best way to direct these users to the regional WikiProject. While many people accuse me of being a cheerleader, I think every regional portal should encourage visitors to participate in the regional WikiProject and Wikimedia events.
On a personal level, I was not involved in the creation of Portal:Colorado, but I’ve voluntarily overseen the portal for about nine years. My only activity has been to keep the portal up to date and add a few minor features. Until, User:BrownHairedGirl gave me some pointers above, I was ignorant of what a portal should be. I exert most of my efforts trying to coordinate regional WikiProjects and their templates and categories. When I saw regional portals being deleted, I was outraged because so much of my work links to the regional portals. Now I understand why they were deleted, but I do feel it is far better to rebuild these regional portals rather than recreate them from scratch. If this is too much work for Wikipedia, then we need to rethink how we should reach out to users in small and non-English-speaking regions. (My brain is very geographically oriented. I care very much about the residents of the Forgotten Regions.)
If we need to add guidelines specifically for the regional portals, I think we should. What are your thoughts? Yours aye, Buaidh talk contribs 18:10, 5 July 2019 (UTC)
spend the rest of [your] life defending portalsis wholly yours. You can stop it any time you choose. I don't think you will choose it, because as I noted below the whole focus of your contribs to this site is building a social network (contrary to WP:NOTSOCIAL) ... but your decision to spend your energies getting outraged about the removal of unused pointless annexes to the encyclopedia is your decision, and yours alone.
focusing first on the relevant regional and cultural articles.
@ BrownHairedGirl: Thank you for reading my comments. I have tried to explain why regional portals are highly important to the regional WikiProjects. I cannot change your mind, but I will strive to improve this portal until it is deleted. I think we can make this worthy portal. Buaidh talk contribs 18:05, 6 July 2019 (UTC)
encourage visitors to participate in the regional WikiProject and Wikimedia events.
should make their top priority to assist these undermaned regions rebuild their portals. (Aside: toparks for sexist language. If that's what you were aiming for, you got a bullseye.)
Two valuable guides to articles about Colorado are found in the Resources section of Portal:Colorado. The Outline of Colorado lists Colorado-related articles by subject area. The Index of Colorado-related articles lists articles about Colorado alphabetically. These two resources are valuable to anyone searching for specific Colorado information. WikiProject Outlines supports subject outlines and WikiProject Indexes supports subject indexes. Not all regional WikiProjects have embraced outlines and indexes, although we have encouraged them to do so.
Portal:Mecklenburg-Vorpommern which User:BrownHairedGirl cited above uses an attractive but abbreviated outline of Mecklenburg-Vorpommern-related articles. Should we elevate or incorporate the Outline of Colorado and the Index of Colorado-related articles into the Colorado portal? Yours aye, Buaidh talk contribs 22:09, 5 July 2019 (UTC)
Please view the current Portal:Colorado page information. The Colorado portal is being maintained and is being watched. (1265 views in the past 30 days.) Thank you for drawing attention to the Colorado portal. Yours aye, Buaidh talk contribs 17:25, 7 July 2019 (UTC)
unwanted editsis pure WP:OWNership.
More off-topic stuff from Buaidh
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There has been a deletionist movement to remove some or most of the regional portals. These regional portals have been deleted a few at a time in order to keep a low profile and not alarm users. I’ve compiled a list of national and state/provincial/territorial portals at User:Buaidh/Geographic portals. Two regional portal deletion summaries follow. To date, the following national portals have been deleted:
While many of these nations are small, some have substantial population. All this shows very unequal treatment of these nations. In Europe, only Portal:Kosovo, Portal:Liechtenstein, and Portal:San Marino have been deleted. Is Wikipedia Eurocentric? To date, the following state/provincial/territorial portals have been deleted:
Again, states and regions outside of Europe have been disproportionately deleted. Buaidh talk contribs 20:37, 13 July 2019 (UTC)
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The result of the discussion was: no consensus. What a mess this discussion was. With all the hyper-extended arguments, and the canvassing of hundreds of editors, this discussion became doomed and it's not really possible to find a consensus within it. No prejudice against renomination. ‑Scottywong | express _ 06:51, 30 July 2019 (UTC)
Abandoned micro-portal. Only 2 selected articles and 2 selected biogs. No new content added since 2008.
WP:POG requires that portals should be about "broad subject areas, which are likely to attract large numbers of interested readers and portal maintainers". But in practice, this portal has not attracted maintainers for over a decade, and it also has almost no readers: in Jan–Feb 2019, it got only 24 pageviews per day, compared with 3,625 views per day for the head article Colorado. BrownHairedGirl (talk) • ( contribs) 15:48, 25 June 2019 (UTC)
This is an unmaintained and little-viewed portal on a state of the United States. The following is a listing of the least-viewed state portals:
Title | Portal Page Views | Article Page Views | Comments | Ratio | Percent | Articles |
---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
North Dakota | 8 | 1869 | Originator inactive since 2011. Not mained since 2007. | 233.63 | 0.43% | 12 |
New Hampshire | 8 | 2394 | No maintenance since 2008. Two articles. Two biographies. | 299.25 | 0.33% | 4 |
South Dakota | 8 | 1726 | No maintenance since 2010. | 215.75 | 0.46% | 6 |
Montana | 9 | 3786 | Originator inactive since 2010. Last maintenance in 2008. | 420.67 | 0.24% | 12 |
Idaho | 9 | 2377 | Originator inactive since 2011. Two biographies. Two articles. Last maintained in 2008. | 264.11 | 0.38% | 4 |
Maine | 10 | 2999 | 299.90 | 0.33% | ||
West Virginia | 10 | 2644 | Originator inactive since 2011. No maintenance since 2011. | 264.40 | 0.38% | |
Vermont | 10 | 2081 | 5 articles and 3 bios, last updated in 2008. Last tweaked in 2016. | 208.10 | 0.48% | 8 |
Nebraska | 10 | 2929 | Originator inactive since 2012. No maintenance since 2010. | 292.90 | 0.34% | 2 |
Wyoming | 11 | 3713 | Editor edits sporadically. News is obsolete. 4 articles and 1 bio, last updated in 2008. | 337.55 | 0.30% | 5 |
Iowa | 11 | 2516 | No maintenance since 2011. | 228.73 | 0.44% | 15 |
South Carolina | 12 | 2409 | Originator inactive since 2013. Last maintenance 2009. | 200.75 | 0.50% | 4 |
Delaware | 12 | 2483 | Originator banned. Selected pages same as in 2007. | 206.92 | 0.48% | |
Rhode Island | 12 | 2760 | Last article update 2012. | 230.00 | 0.43% | 24 |
Wisconsin | 13 | 3132 | Originator inactive since 2009. | 240.92 | 0.42% | |
Oklahoma | 13 | 2708 | Originator inactive since 2007. Has had some maintenance since then. | 208.31 | 0.48% | 63 |
Nevada | 14 | 2600 | 185.71 | 0.54% | ||
Indiana | 14 | 2787 | Originator inactive since 2010. No maintenance since 2010, except news is 2016. | 199.07 | 0.50% | |
Kentucky | 14 | 2927 | No maintenance since 2010. | 209.07 | 0.48% | |
Kansas | 14 | 2813 | Originator inactive since 2014. | 200.93 | 0.50% | |
Mississippi | 14 | 2737 | Originator inactive since 2012. | 195.50 | 0.51% | |
Minnesota | 15 | 3785 | Originator inactive since 2018. | 252.33 | 0.40% | |
Maryland | 15 | 3315 | Originator inactive since 2016. | 221.00 | 0.45% | |
Connecticut | 16 | 3109 | Being reworked by MJL. | 194.31 | 0.51% | |
Michigan | 16 | 3912 | Originator inactive since 2013 | 244.50 | 0.41% | |
Louisiana | 16 | 3186 | Originator inactive since 2007. | 199.13 | 0.50% | |
New Mexico | 16 | 3332 | Originator inactive since 2013. | 208.25 | 0.48% | |
North Carolina | 16 | 3747 | Originator last edited in 2011. One featured article at a time without other articles. | 234.19 | 0.43% | 1 |
Utah | 16 | 2857 | Originator inactive since 2007. Last maintenance 2009. | 178.56 | 0.56% | 46 |
Missouri | 17 | 3424 | Selected biography out of date. Last updates appear to be 2011. | 201.41 | 0.50% | 41 |
Georgia (state) | 17 | 4088 | Originator inactive since 2009. | 240.47 | 0.42% | |
Washington | 17 | 3881 | After correction for renaming. (Total of 39 pageviews in two months.) | 228.29 | 0.44% | |
Alaska | 18 | 6775 | Originator edits sporadically. Last maintained in 2012 except for AWB tweaks. | 376.39 | 0.27% | 28 |
Tennessee | 18 | 2972 | Originator inactive since 2016. Last maintenance 2011. | 165.11 | 0.61% | 11 |
A complete listing of state portals with metrics can be seen at WP:US State Portal Metrics. Portals that are not maintained are useless, and, if the information that is facing the reader becomes out-of-date, they are worse than useless, because anyone can edit an article, but heritage portals with subpages contain old copies of articles that require special knowledge to edit.
A state of the United States may be considered a priori to be a broad subject area, but this portal has been shown a posteriori not to be attracting readers or a portal maintainer. A portal is a miniature Main Page and requires a substantial investment in volunteer time.
This portal should be deleted without prejudice to re-creating a portal maintained by a volunteer who is willing to invest the time to support a miniature Main Page under the portal guidelines that are in effect at the time. Robert McClenon ( talk) 16:37, 26 June 2019 (UTC)
Only 2 selected articles and 2 selected biogs. No new content added since 2008. I checked the content subpages, and that was the basis of the nomiantion.
Only 2 selected articles and 2 selected biogs, and no new articles have been added since 20-08. I am sorry that you find this simple fact difficult to understand, but it's verifiably true.
update this portal on a regular basis. You portalspace edits this year show a bunch of tweaks to Portal:Colorado/State Facts and Portal:Colorado/Events.
we can upgrade many of these portals to meet your standardslooks fanciful. It looks to me like an assurance given by someone with little or no idea of how much work is involved or how low the returns are.
an all or nothing approach to portals. I am trying to uphold the core principle of WP:PORTAL: "Portals serve as enhanced 'Main Pages' for specific broad subjects". In other words, the purpose of a portal is to offer a lot more than the main page.
grow up and drop the victim spiel
" is, frankly, very saddening to see from an administrator and definitely doesn't appear to be proper
WP:WQ. --
Pennstatephil (
talk) 15:53, 8 July 2019 (UTC)
Some editors have stated that particular levels of regions should have portals. User:Kusma wrote (in April, in an MFD): "all countries should have portals". User:Northamerica1000 wrote: "I consider U.S. states to meet WP:POG guidelines in terms of being broad enough in topical scope to qualify for a portal." Such statements raise a two-part question, having to do with people, and with policies.
The first part of the question is: Who is expected to do what in order to provide the portal? Should Wikipedia provide and maintain a portal? Should Wikipedia provide a portal without maintaining it? Should Wikipedia provide a portal, contingent on having a portal maintainer and a portal maintenance plan? Should the Internet, of which Wikipedia is a prominent site, provide a portal? If only that, the government of the nation, state, or province can and almost certainly does provide and maintain a portal in the form of its web site, as do lesser regions such as counties, cantons, districts, communes, cities, towns, townships, boroughs, and villages.
If Wikipedia is expected to provide and maintain a portal, how can that obligation be reconciled with Wikipedia is not compulsory? If Wikipedia is only expected to provide an empty portal, what good is that? It appears that the implication is that Wikipedia is expected to provide a portal to a maintainer and to continue to keep the portal facing outward toward the readers whether or not it is being maintained. Portal advocates who think that particular levels of regions "should have" portals should clarify what obligation they are implying and on whom. Robert McClenon ( talk) 15:36, 5 July 2019 (UTC)
The second part of the question is how the idea that countries or states "should have" portals should be reflected in Wikipedia's policies and guidelines. At present, the page that is designated as the Portal Guidelines states that portals should be about broad subject areas that will attract readers and portal maintainers. Portal advocates have focused on the reference to "broad subject areas" and have disregarded the two-part reference to readers and portal maintainers. At present, the status of the portal guidelines is in dispute. Those who would like to retain existing regional portals, and possibly create more regional portals, may either deal with the existing guidelines or propose to revise them. If they prefer to deal with the existing guidelines, there are two issues. The first is that the status of the guidelines is in doubt, appearing to have been a failed proposal. The second is that the existing document refers to readers and maintainers, who cannot simply be assumed or willed into existence. Since the present (contested) guidelines refer not simply to broad subject areas, but to broad subject areas that will attract readers and portal maintainers, any specific portal can be shown by observation not to be attracting readers or maintainers.
The other option for the advocates of regional portals, or for anyone who wants to provide better guidelines with regard to portals, would be to publish a Request for Comments to implement new portal guidelines, either the old guidelines, or a slightly revised version of the old guidelines, or an entirely new set of guidelines. In that case, advocates of regional portals should be on notice that the new guidelines either should explicitly identify certain subjects that are considered portal-worthy even without maintenance, or it can be understood that regional portals, like other subject areas, are only considered to be broad subject areas if they demonstrate that they attract readers and maintainers. Robert McClenon ( talk) 15:36, 5 July 2019 (UTC)
Thank you. We've created a regional WikiProject or work group for every member state of the United Nations and many dependent states and regions. It is the responsibility of each regional WikiProject to maintain its own portal. The WikiProjects for small and non-English-speaking countries usually have very few members, and in some cases, no active members. This may make portal maintenance very difficult for these WikiProjects. These small and non-English-speaking regions are, however, precisely the regions from which we are most interested in attracting new editors. These regions often have a disproportionately minor coverage in Wikipedia. (Wikipedia knows every time Cardi B sneezes, but seems to care little about Eswatini.) If you look at User:Buaidh/Geographic portals, many of the deleted portal are from these small and non-English-speaking regions. I think WikiProject Portals should make their top priority to assist these undermaned regions rebuild their portals. I think the creation of a Regional portals work group under WikiProject Portals would be a great idea and I would certainly help with this effort.
Every article about a region should link to the regional portal in the See also section, and most do. If that portal is deleted or redirected, it can cause user confusion. Every article about a region should also link to the regional WikiProject on the talk page, but many novice or casual users may not realize this. This means that the regional portal link may be the best way to direct these users to the regional WikiProject. While many people accuse me of being a cheerleader, I think every regional portal should encourage visitors to participate in the regional WikiProject and Wikimedia events.
On a personal level, I was not involved in the creation of Portal:Colorado, but I’ve voluntarily overseen the portal for about nine years. My only activity has been to keep the portal up to date and add a few minor features. Until, User:BrownHairedGirl gave me some pointers above, I was ignorant of what a portal should be. I exert most of my efforts trying to coordinate regional WikiProjects and their templates and categories. When I saw regional portals being deleted, I was outraged because so much of my work links to the regional portals. Now I understand why they were deleted, but I do feel it is far better to rebuild these regional portals rather than recreate them from scratch. If this is too much work for Wikipedia, then we need to rethink how we should reach out to users in small and non-English-speaking regions. (My brain is very geographically oriented. I care very much about the residents of the Forgotten Regions.)
If we need to add guidelines specifically for the regional portals, I think we should. What are your thoughts? Yours aye, Buaidh talk contribs 18:10, 5 July 2019 (UTC)
spend the rest of [your] life defending portalsis wholly yours. You can stop it any time you choose. I don't think you will choose it, because as I noted below the whole focus of your contribs to this site is building a social network (contrary to WP:NOTSOCIAL) ... but your decision to spend your energies getting outraged about the removal of unused pointless annexes to the encyclopedia is your decision, and yours alone.
focusing first on the relevant regional and cultural articles.
@ BrownHairedGirl: Thank you for reading my comments. I have tried to explain why regional portals are highly important to the regional WikiProjects. I cannot change your mind, but I will strive to improve this portal until it is deleted. I think we can make this worthy portal. Buaidh talk contribs 18:05, 6 July 2019 (UTC)
encourage visitors to participate in the regional WikiProject and Wikimedia events.
should make their top priority to assist these undermaned regions rebuild their portals. (Aside: toparks for sexist language. If that's what you were aiming for, you got a bullseye.)
Two valuable guides to articles about Colorado are found in the Resources section of Portal:Colorado. The Outline of Colorado lists Colorado-related articles by subject area. The Index of Colorado-related articles lists articles about Colorado alphabetically. These two resources are valuable to anyone searching for specific Colorado information. WikiProject Outlines supports subject outlines and WikiProject Indexes supports subject indexes. Not all regional WikiProjects have embraced outlines and indexes, although we have encouraged them to do so.
Portal:Mecklenburg-Vorpommern which User:BrownHairedGirl cited above uses an attractive but abbreviated outline of Mecklenburg-Vorpommern-related articles. Should we elevate or incorporate the Outline of Colorado and the Index of Colorado-related articles into the Colorado portal? Yours aye, Buaidh talk contribs 22:09, 5 July 2019 (UTC)
Please view the current Portal:Colorado page information. The Colorado portal is being maintained and is being watched. (1265 views in the past 30 days.) Thank you for drawing attention to the Colorado portal. Yours aye, Buaidh talk contribs 17:25, 7 July 2019 (UTC)
unwanted editsis pure WP:OWNership.
More off-topic stuff from Buaidh
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There has been a deletionist movement to remove some or most of the regional portals. These regional portals have been deleted a few at a time in order to keep a low profile and not alarm users. I’ve compiled a list of national and state/provincial/territorial portals at User:Buaidh/Geographic portals. Two regional portal deletion summaries follow. To date, the following national portals have been deleted:
While many of these nations are small, some have substantial population. All this shows very unequal treatment of these nations. In Europe, only Portal:Kosovo, Portal:Liechtenstein, and Portal:San Marino have been deleted. Is Wikipedia Eurocentric? To date, the following state/provincial/territorial portals have been deleted:
Again, states and regions outside of Europe have been disproportionately deleted. Buaidh talk contribs 20:37, 13 July 2019 (UTC)
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