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→ in re: Draft:Cheron K. Griffin ( | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
Please help me in writing a good article, previously u deleted it. it was about an author Zara2308 ( talk) 19:43, 9 September 2022 (UTC)
→ in re: Kia Rouhi ( | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views), Draft:Kia Rouhi ( | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
Hi you removed wrong about kia Rouhi , He is iranian singer and i make articles for Iranian Celebrity and i put sources with translate please recover and i can solve everything has problem , Sorry to bother you Kiava ( talk) 09:43, 10 September 2022 (UTC)
→ in re: DriveNets ( | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)
Hi Athaenara, why did you deleted the entry ? The org. has a significant coverage in multiple reliable secondary sources that are independent of the subject according to GNG (sustain with 31 sources if I recall correctly, and there are more, which I didn't concluded). I'm 16 years in the Eng. wiki and familiar with guidelines. Tzahy ( talk) 19:12, 12 September 2022 (UTC)
→ in re: Builder Lynx ( | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views), Draft:Builder Lynx ( | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
Hi Athaenara, could I ask you to put into Drafts or my userspace Drafts the recently deleted page Builder Lynx while I look into better sources. Cheers. Mucm — Preceding undated comment added 20:15, 12 September 2022 (UTC)
→ in re: Ataman Brotherhood ( | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) ( AfD)
hi, could you please help me submit this article to thread A? looks like you need to be an auto-authenticated user. or not? thanks. Atakhanli ( talk) 09:10, 13 September 2022 (UTC)
→ in re: User:ReVeluv02/sandbox/Dharampal Satyapal Group ( | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
Hello @ Athaenara. It has come to my attention that a sandbox page, User:ReVeluv02/sandbox/Dharampal Satyapal Group, was deleted without even my reasoning and I wasn't able to contest at all (though I know it was speedily deleted). I think it is important and professional to reach out to the talk page of the involved editor as the effort made goes to waste (though efforts doesn't apply to Wikipedia's guidelines). You could have reached out first and questioned the page involved before you reach a certain consensus to decide whether the page will be then removed (the fact that the page is a sandbox, and not a Wikipedia article).
As per WP:ABOUTSAND, sandbox is about testing and experimenting. This is the reason why I never put my sandbox page on my user page as I keep private of all the pages before publishing it in order to follow the guidelines of Wikipedia. The sandbox entry was limited for access unless thoroughly searched on the search bar. As by the time you deleted the page, I have no intentions of officially publishing the page as I'm well aware of the "unambiguous advertising" sound of the texts and paragraph on the deleted page. ReVeluv02 ( talk) 15:27, 14 September 2022 (UTC)
→ in re: Andre Soares (Brazilian-American writer, actor) ( | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views), Draft:Andre Soares (Brazilian-American writer, actor) ( | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
Hi Athaenara, you deleted the article "Andre Soares (Brazilian-American writer, actor)" citing speedy deletion. I did not get a chance to contest before it was removed from the main namespace. I am in no shape or form affiliated with the figure I wrote about. This draft was extremely thorough, followed all the editorial guidelines, expressed no judgment and included sources from many reputable outlets. I was not compensated or pressured and the objective here was to bring light on a new creative I deemed notable enough to deserve coverage. Could you please review this speedy deletion and let me know if there are any changes you'd like made? Also is it possible to retrieve the source data? It took me weeks to build this. Thank you. A1ProtocolX ( talk) 11:00, 15 September 2022 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by A1ProtocolX ( talk • contribs) 22:29, 14 September 2022 (UTC)
→ in re: Draft:Kula Perry ( | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
Please the information was copyrighted and I didn’t infringe on anything. Stitches03 ( talk) 19:09, 16 September 2022 (UTC)
→ in re: User talk:Govindrkannan ( history)
Err, people are removed to remove warnings and notices. best -- Deepfriedokra ( talk) 12:17, 19 September 2022 (UTC)
→ in re: Vivhan Rekhi ( | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views), Draft:Vivhan Rekhi ( | talk | history | links | watch | logs) Draft:Sunit Rekhi ( | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
Hi you recently deleted an article that I created on Vivhan Rekhi, a young social activist. Could you please provide me with the information from that article so that I can edit it and perhaps show it to you or upload it for review to be considered later once I fix the draft. Thanks Rr893 ( talk) 08:52, 21 September 2022 (UTC)
→ in re: Draft:NodeReal ( | talk | history | links | watch | logs); see also User talk:Brad commy
Good day to you Athaenara,
I have rewritten the article on draft:NodeReal according to Wikipedia's guidelines, you can please go through the article.
I want to ask that you should remove the speedy deletion tag on the article.
I will be expecting your response.
Thank you. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Adekomi Solomon ( talk • contribs) 06:16, 22 September 2022 (UTC)
→ in re: Draft:Gino Cosme ( | talk | history | links | watch | logs), User:GinoCosme ( | talk | history | links | watch | logs), User:GinoCosme/sandbox ( | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
hi,
why was the article Gino Cosme deleted? It followed the same format as other related articles. It was not an advertisement but a bio site with references to official media and academic article content on the web related to the author.
I understand that my author/bio page GinoCosme was miswritten since I misunderstood the purpose, but you deleted it before me being able to publish the update, which just included a one-liner of who I am. This now has deleted the associated article that was not contravention of any guidelines. GinoCosme ( talk) 11:39, 23 September 2022 (UTC)
→ in re: Draft:Fitness Instructor Maya Abdullah ( | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
why was this article deleted? where is my mistake? what should I do to accept the article? Professor990 ( talk) 15:01, 24 September 2022 (UTC)
→ in re: Draft:LinkMe ( | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
Greetings I would like to edit a new page about this topic as the last one got erased after being marked for speedy deletion for being unambiguous advertising and promotion, but I would be using most of the same sources avoiding those marked as unreliable and using language that makes the article sound promotional. How can I proceed with this new edit of a topic on an already deleted article. Dispabasa ( talk) 23:36, 25 September 2022 (UTC)
→ in re: Vijay Pravin Maharajan ( | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)
The article Vijay Pravin Maharajan was deleted by you without even intimating me who created the page. The article has many featured news reference and it is definitely not an Unambiguous advertising or promotion. Everything in it was written in neutral point of view as well. You may please reinstate the page and you may go for a deletion discussion. Jehowahyereh ( talk) 03:28, 26 September 2022 (UTC)
→ in re: Natasha Tsukanova ( | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)
Hello, I see the page for Natasha Tsukanova was deleted due to advertisement guidelines. It seems I have had an issue with my writing style when it comes to biography pages, which I can only apologise for. I primarily work on Wikipedia:WikiProject Women in Red and other draft articles I can find that I feel relate to this group.
After I found and fixed the page up I noticed it was linked back to an account that had been blocked, which is where I believe the confusion is coming from. I would like to start the page up again with aid in writing style as I was in the process of removing promotional content and wording. If you have any tips for this please let me know as I'm still learning. Thanks SecureJane ( talk) 10:21, 26 September 2022 (UTC)
→ in re: Draft:Delphos International ( | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
Hi, I've seen you deleted the page Delphos International. I have signaled a potential conflict of interest but the tone and content of the page was extremely neutral. Why then was it deleted ? Or what do you recommnend to improve / delete ? Best. PouetPouetTagadaNicodeme ( talk) 21:33, 26 September 2022 (UTC)
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Hello @ Athaenara,
You deleted my article on The Brooklyn Bank just this month. You cited G11: Unambiguous advertising or promotion. I disagree with your reasons, and I would like you to consider reinstating the article.
This is a non-profit organization, and thus, there is no reason for the organization to promote or advertise itself. It is a prominent organization in New York that has received considerable public attention, and as such, should be recognized encyclopedically. If you feel like the writing was too embellished, or that it seemed promotional, it would have been more appropriate to edit particular language, or recommend the language for edit. The content itself is statements of fact, but perhaps the descriptive language was unnecessary, and if that specific language would be modified from an objective and neutral perspective, then the article itself would have been satisfactory. The article itself should not be deleted. HalpernAdam ( talk) 19:39, 29 September 2022 (UTC)
→ in re: Draft:Wetelo ( | talk | history | links | watch | logs); see also user Wetelo ( talk · contribs), now user Yurii Firs 1 ( talk · contribs)
Hi Athaenara, not that I care much, but I did look at [1] in surprise... ~ ToBeFree ( talk) 17:33, 5 October 2022 (UTC)
{{unblock|reason=Your reason here ~~~~}}
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Floquenbeam (
talk) 01:21, 11 October 2022 (UTC)I'm still in shock, first at myself having blurted so rudely in the middle of an RfA, and second at the poisonous fury of those who descended upon me for doing so.
If I had been one of those policing public discussion pages and saw that blurt I'd've been likely to revert it, devrel, chastise the offender, and block for perhaps 24 to 72 hours.
Part of where I was coming from was simple hurt that my own womanhood is not as defensible in this milieu as transwomanhood is. My one "this is me" post above was me going down under a storm of figurative fists and boots trying to obliterate me.
There's more to say but, still in a state of shock, I'm not inclined to attempt to construct numerous complex logical statements, as for example drawing comparisons to puritans whipping quakers out of town, being tarred and feathered and run out of town on a rail, etc. – Athaenara ✉ 00:12, 12 October 2022 (UTC)
standing up for women's rights, you say? ( Personal attack removed) a!rado ( C✙ T) 08:31, 12 October 2022 (UTC)
Secondly, suggesting that your own womanhood is at threat here is both farcical and puerile; it's of a piece with the chowderheads who argue (devoid of the slightest measure of common sense or logic) that same-sex marriage is somehow a "threat" to hetero marriage. No one here has challenged your right to identify as a woman. No one is like to do so.
An admin should not need reminding that actions have consequences. Admins ruling on block appeals, from someone who maintained they were justified in their offensive actions, as a matter of policy reject those appeals. Your only recourse for your shocking betrayal of the community's trust was abject contrition. This wasn't the path you chose, and that action comes with predictable consequences. Ravenswing 11:18, 12 October 2022 (UTC)
No, this is me, and my account is not compromised. Other veteran admins who have done a tremendous amount of good work - including supporting women's issues, outreach, editathons, cleaning up RfA, and spending 1000s of $$ on the project - have been desysoped for less. 'stress or other factors that cause them to act out of character' have never been taken into consideration by ANI or Arbcom and there is no reason to start now, particularly in the gravity of this case and where there is a pattern in her oppose votes in many RfA. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง ( talk) — Preceding undated comment added 03:50, 12 October 2022 (UTC)
@ Lourdes: I just want to take this opportunity to say thanks for the unblock, however long it lasts, I appreciate it. – Athaenara ✉ 08:35, 12 October 2022 (UTC)
as if nothing happenedtoo, which does not make it better to say the least). 1234qwer 1234qwer 4 20:59, 12 October 2022 (UTC)
As you are not interested in appealing your block or demonstrating remorse, I am disabling your talk page access. You can still appeal the block via the ticket request system or submit a statement to Arbcom as mentioned by Worm.
I would also ask everyone else to stay away from this talk page; despite what I wrote above, I do see the point that it has become a bit of a drama magnet. Hopefully disabling talk page access will keep the conversation to a minimum and any antagonistic comments (inadvertent or otherwise) at bay. Ritchie333 (talk) (cont) 13:52, 12 October 2022 (UTC)
FYI: Just another note for anyone still interested: I accept the conclusions which have been reached and the decisions which have been made, and I will not be asking for any reinstatement of privileges of any kind. – Athaenara ✉ 06:58, 13 October 2022 (UTC)
There is currently a discussion at Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents regarding an issue with which you may have been involved. Thank you. LilianaUwU ( talk / contribs) 00:53, 11 October 2022 (UTC)
Please see Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case#Desysop_of_Athaenara EvergreenFir (talk) 01:33, 11 October 2022 (UTC)
You are requested to email the Arbitration Committee at your earliest convenience. CaptainEek Edits Ho Cap'n! ⚓ 01:59, 11 October 2022 (UTC)
Per emerging consensus at Special:Permalink/1115609910#Athaenara unblocked by Lourdes — that unblock made a mockery of our due process. — TheresNoTime ( talk • they/them) 09:03, 12 October 2022 (UTC)
The Arbitration Committee has determined that Athaenara ( talk · contribs)’s behavior appears inconsistent with the level of trust required of administrators. Athaenara has not responded to contact from the Arbitration Committee. Accordingly, the Arbitration Committee resolves that Athaenara be desysopped in accordance with the Committee’s Level II removal procedures.
Support: CaptainEek, Enterprisey, L235, Maxim, Primefac, Worm That Turned KevinL (aka L235 · t · c) 18:30, 12 October 2022 (UTC)
Hello Athaenara, per request from the arbitration committee your sysop flag has been removed. This may be reversed by a subsequent committee request. You would need to contact the committee to get more information on what is needed from them for that option. You may also seek reappointment via Wikipedia:Requests for adminship. — xaosflux Talk 18:39, 12 October 2022 (UTC)
There is currently a discussion at Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents regarding an issue with which you may have been involved. The thread is Site ban for Athaenara. Thank you. -- Tamzin cetacean needed (she|they|xe) 19:01, 12 October 2022 (UTC)
Hi, Athaenara. I'm sorry to have to let you know that a discussion at ANI closed with consensus to topic ban from WP:GENSEX and from requests for permission. Appealable 1 year after expiry of most recent block or ban. The discussion closed here.
Best wishes. I know this is a hard time for you, and I hope you're taking care of yourself. Valereee ( talk) 12:45, 14 October 2022 (UTC)
Arbitration motions that relate to you has been proposed at Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case § Motion: Reversal and reinstatement of Athaenara’s block and Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case § Motion: Athaenara. If you wish to provide comment on those motions while blocked, you may do so by emailing arbcom-enwikimedia.org. Best, KevinL (aka L235 · t · c) 00:53, 15 October 2022 (UTC)
The Arbitration Committee has resolved by motion that:
For the Arbitration Committee, Dreamy Jazz talk to me | my contributions 22:15, 16 October 2022 (UTC)
The Arbitration Committee has resolved by motion that:
The Arbitration Committee directs its clerks to open a case to examine the reversal and reinstatement of Athaenara ( talk · contribs)’s block, TheresNoTime ( talk · contribs)'s use of the checkuser tool, and connected events. Subject to amendment by the drafting arbitrators, the following rules will govern the case:
For the Arbitration Committee, Dreamy Jazz talk to me | my contributions 22:53, 16 October 2022 (UTC)
Hi Athaenara, in the open Reversal and reinstatement of Athaenara's block arbitration case, a remedy or finding of fact has been proposed which relates to you. Please review this decision and draw the arbitrators' attention to any relevant material or statements. Comments may be brought to the attention of the committee on the proposed decision talk page. For a guide to the arbitration process, see Wikipedia:Arbitration/Guide to arbitration. For the Arbitration Committee, Dreamy Jazz talk to me | my contributions 00:06, 31 October 2022 (UTC)
I recognise your username Athaenara, but I do not recognise your words. To hold such a belief is one thing, but to say it so plain when it did not need to be said... I'm disappointed. I'm hurt for my candidate to whom we'd already explained RfA can be a nasty experience, but we never expected comments like this. I'm hurt for those who read your remarks and have internalised them. I'm hurting for you, who must have such hatred in your own heart to feel and believe such things, where people are merely trying to live their lives. Simply — how dare you? — TheresNoTime ( talk • they/them) 08:25, 11 October 2022 (UTC)
i really must say that Wikipedia is not a place for Transphobia and it's gross, as TheresNoTime said, people are merely trying to live their lives, especially people from this community who face any kinds of disrespect in this world, their life is hard as it is, how can we make it any harder? —— 🌸 Sakura emad 💖 ( talk) 10:03, 11 October 2022 (UTC)
Hey, Athaenara. I'd like to wish you a wonderful First Edit Day on behalf of the
Wikipedia Birthday Committee! Have a great day! Chris Troutman ( talk) 12:30, 12 October 2022 (UTC) |
A couple of things:
-- Floquenbeam ( talk) 15:29, 12 October 2022 (UTC)
Let me start off by saying I disagree with the comment you made in opposition to Isabella's AfD. However, I realize you are a human being as well. I hope you read this and it is encouraging and enlightening for you but that is for you to decide how to take it. It doesn't require a response. You are a beautiful Song. We don't have to agree on anything for me to make that statement confidently. I know it. You also don't spend 16 years on a project without it becoming a big part of your life and it must be shocking to have it removed indefinitely from you. I know it must be difficult as you expressed what you felt should have happened and this is so far beyond that. I don't know your past, where you come from or anything about you before what I can see here on Wikipedia but I don't have to know that to know you must be hurting. Wikipedia is not a forum or social media platform but we are human beings and I wanted to stop by to say that I see the light in you, the star in you, the good in you and a comment, a disagreement or even a philosophical difference, though one I might vehemently disagree with, wouldn't change how I view you as a human being. Please take care of yourself. -- ARose Wolf 13:47, 14 October 2022 (UTC)
There's an interesting quote found on, of all places, your user page — just below the one from Crossmr, and above the one from Bradpatrick.
There's also one on my userpage — ninth bullet point from the top.
That said, you are certainly entitled to decide that your Fun Hobby is less important than your Political Views. DS ( talk) 15:42, 16 October 2022 (UTC)
The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.
Hello Athaenara. I want to leave you my thoughts on this sad turn of events. We do not punish people for their thoughts or beliefs. However, if such thoughts result in "blurted" statements directed at another user, they are reverted, and the statement maker may be warned or blocked. (If the user is online it's even better to ask them to self-revert, because this proves that they understand what they did wrong.) I believe this is the first time you ever had a personal attack reverted. Am I right that you have no prior history of personal attacks being reverted, receiving warnings, or being blocked? I believe in second chances, very much so, because we are all human, and we all make mistakes. One severe mistake in 16 years is not the end of the world. The sanctimonious vitriol on this page and on ANI is every bit as destructive to the community as your remark. I wonder how many of those users have never made a serious mistake themselves? I also believe that administrators are subject to the same warnings and sanctions same as all other users in regard to non-administrative actions - the same, not more, not less. I believe you have been over-sanctioned in that regard. (Loss of sysop access is another matter that we need not address because you do not seek its restoration.) I recommend you contact ArbCom to confirm you are in control of your account and that you explain to them any circumstances that might have put you in a bad way on the day in question. In my 54 years experience I've seen that such things don't usually come out of the blue. There is usually a reason: neurological, medical, emotional, social, or something else. It is important that justice be done here, which means you should be sanctioned properly according to your circumstances, including matters that might be private. Kind regards, Jehochman Talk 13:05, 18 October 2022 (UTC)
I have said things that we are all apparently forbidden to say"Apparently"? Don't play dumb. You were an admin. You know the rules.
and thought things we are all apparently forbidden to thinkWhat you think was, and is, none of our concern. No one asked for, let alone came to police, your thoughts in your head. It is your actions that matter. You, as a former admin, know this.
I am a woman. I am not ashamed of it.Okay. No one told you to be ashamed of it. In fact, because of our gender gap and lingering sexism in the editing atmosphere, we celebrate successful woman editors.
I do not see transgenders as a "threat" to me or to anyone else, they just are who they are.That is not what your !vote said. You know this.
The orgies of self-congratulationNo one is congratulating themselves, or having anything remotely resembling a good time, as a result of your actions and their consequences. In fact the entire drama that you knowingly caused (for absolutely no reason other than that you really, really couldn't keep your transphobia in) has caused direct hurt to one person (exactly as you intended, and for which you never apologised) and unnecessary stress to the rest as they deal with you, Musk-esque free-speech absolutists, and all the transphobes and assorted 19th-century dinosaurs who've crawled out of the woodwork. W. Tell DCCXLVI ( talk to me!/ c) 16:16, 3 November 2022 (UTC)
guys who don't like womenis just kind of horrifying. I certainly don't experience the
special protectionto which the Karens of this world apparently feel entitled - that's for damned sure. And anyone who believes they can believe they can prove their innocence by drowning is simply lending too much credit to imaginary witch metaphysics - they ought to know better. Newimpartial ( talk) 09:49, 4 November 2022 (UTC)
AFAIK Athaenara engaged in inappropriate conduct but I'm happy that the people I see are at least being understanding and remembering the human. Firestar464 ( talk) 04:15, 31 October 2022 (UTC)
Hi Athaenara. I'm not going to comment on the reasons for your departure (we will definitely not be in agreement) but I do want to say that I'm sorry to see you go. I want to thank you for your encouragement and gentle shepherding on WP:3O in my early Wikipedia days (oh to be young again!) which pulled me out of the content world into Wiki world and is probably the single most important reason why, fifteen years later, I'm still here to type this. I have a busy and fulfilling RL but, for some obscure reason and even though I find I have less and less time for it, I care about Wikipedia more. I would be remiss if I didn't say this: Thank you. -- RegentsPark ( comment) 21:39, 3 November 2022 (UTC)
Given the soapboxing above, I've re-revoked your talk page access. ♠ PMC♠ (talk) 06:44, 4 November 2022 (UTC)
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User:Premeditated Chaos, that is an overreaction. If Wikipedia is a mature confident and tolerant community, Athaenara will be allowed access.
SmokeyJoe (
talk) 11:18, 14 February 2023 (UTC) Sorry I misread the timeline
SmokeyJoe (
talk) 03:35, 15 February 2023 (UTC)
a mature confident and tolerant community. Not to mention the events that actually resulted in her block. Newimpartial ( talk) 11:23, 14 February 2023 (UTC)
would like to see Athaenara back contributing as she did(but without the expressions of anti-trans sentiment), and I personally would like nothing better than to see her take responsibility for her actions, make amends, and rejoin the community.
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→ in re: Draft:Cheron K. Griffin ( | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
Please help me in writing a good article, previously u deleted it. it was about an author Zara2308 ( talk) 19:43, 9 September 2022 (UTC)
→ in re: Kia Rouhi ( | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views), Draft:Kia Rouhi ( | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
Hi you removed wrong about kia Rouhi , He is iranian singer and i make articles for Iranian Celebrity and i put sources with translate please recover and i can solve everything has problem , Sorry to bother you Kiava ( talk) 09:43, 10 September 2022 (UTC)
→ in re: DriveNets ( | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)
Hi Athaenara, why did you deleted the entry ? The org. has a significant coverage in multiple reliable secondary sources that are independent of the subject according to GNG (sustain with 31 sources if I recall correctly, and there are more, which I didn't concluded). I'm 16 years in the Eng. wiki and familiar with guidelines. Tzahy ( talk) 19:12, 12 September 2022 (UTC)
→ in re: Builder Lynx ( | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views), Draft:Builder Lynx ( | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
Hi Athaenara, could I ask you to put into Drafts or my userspace Drafts the recently deleted page Builder Lynx while I look into better sources. Cheers. Mucm — Preceding undated comment added 20:15, 12 September 2022 (UTC)
→ in re: Ataman Brotherhood ( | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) ( AfD)
hi, could you please help me submit this article to thread A? looks like you need to be an auto-authenticated user. or not? thanks. Atakhanli ( talk) 09:10, 13 September 2022 (UTC)
→ in re: User:ReVeluv02/sandbox/Dharampal Satyapal Group ( | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
Hello @ Athaenara. It has come to my attention that a sandbox page, User:ReVeluv02/sandbox/Dharampal Satyapal Group, was deleted without even my reasoning and I wasn't able to contest at all (though I know it was speedily deleted). I think it is important and professional to reach out to the talk page of the involved editor as the effort made goes to waste (though efforts doesn't apply to Wikipedia's guidelines). You could have reached out first and questioned the page involved before you reach a certain consensus to decide whether the page will be then removed (the fact that the page is a sandbox, and not a Wikipedia article).
As per WP:ABOUTSAND, sandbox is about testing and experimenting. This is the reason why I never put my sandbox page on my user page as I keep private of all the pages before publishing it in order to follow the guidelines of Wikipedia. The sandbox entry was limited for access unless thoroughly searched on the search bar. As by the time you deleted the page, I have no intentions of officially publishing the page as I'm well aware of the "unambiguous advertising" sound of the texts and paragraph on the deleted page. ReVeluv02 ( talk) 15:27, 14 September 2022 (UTC)
→ in re: Andre Soares (Brazilian-American writer, actor) ( | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views), Draft:Andre Soares (Brazilian-American writer, actor) ( | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
Hi Athaenara, you deleted the article "Andre Soares (Brazilian-American writer, actor)" citing speedy deletion. I did not get a chance to contest before it was removed from the main namespace. I am in no shape or form affiliated with the figure I wrote about. This draft was extremely thorough, followed all the editorial guidelines, expressed no judgment and included sources from many reputable outlets. I was not compensated or pressured and the objective here was to bring light on a new creative I deemed notable enough to deserve coverage. Could you please review this speedy deletion and let me know if there are any changes you'd like made? Also is it possible to retrieve the source data? It took me weeks to build this. Thank you. A1ProtocolX ( talk) 11:00, 15 September 2022 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by A1ProtocolX ( talk • contribs) 22:29, 14 September 2022 (UTC)
→ in re: Draft:Kula Perry ( | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
Please the information was copyrighted and I didn’t infringe on anything. Stitches03 ( talk) 19:09, 16 September 2022 (UTC)
→ in re: User talk:Govindrkannan ( history)
Err, people are removed to remove warnings and notices. best -- Deepfriedokra ( talk) 12:17, 19 September 2022 (UTC)
→ in re: Vivhan Rekhi ( | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views), Draft:Vivhan Rekhi ( | talk | history | links | watch | logs) Draft:Sunit Rekhi ( | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
Hi you recently deleted an article that I created on Vivhan Rekhi, a young social activist. Could you please provide me with the information from that article so that I can edit it and perhaps show it to you or upload it for review to be considered later once I fix the draft. Thanks Rr893 ( talk) 08:52, 21 September 2022 (UTC)
→ in re: Draft:NodeReal ( | talk | history | links | watch | logs); see also User talk:Brad commy
Good day to you Athaenara,
I have rewritten the article on draft:NodeReal according to Wikipedia's guidelines, you can please go through the article.
I want to ask that you should remove the speedy deletion tag on the article.
I will be expecting your response.
Thank you. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Adekomi Solomon ( talk • contribs) 06:16, 22 September 2022 (UTC)
→ in re: Draft:Gino Cosme ( | talk | history | links | watch | logs), User:GinoCosme ( | talk | history | links | watch | logs), User:GinoCosme/sandbox ( | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
hi,
why was the article Gino Cosme deleted? It followed the same format as other related articles. It was not an advertisement but a bio site with references to official media and academic article content on the web related to the author.
I understand that my author/bio page GinoCosme was miswritten since I misunderstood the purpose, but you deleted it before me being able to publish the update, which just included a one-liner of who I am. This now has deleted the associated article that was not contravention of any guidelines. GinoCosme ( talk) 11:39, 23 September 2022 (UTC)
→ in re: Draft:Fitness Instructor Maya Abdullah ( | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
why was this article deleted? where is my mistake? what should I do to accept the article? Professor990 ( talk) 15:01, 24 September 2022 (UTC)
→ in re: Draft:LinkMe ( | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
Greetings I would like to edit a new page about this topic as the last one got erased after being marked for speedy deletion for being unambiguous advertising and promotion, but I would be using most of the same sources avoiding those marked as unreliable and using language that makes the article sound promotional. How can I proceed with this new edit of a topic on an already deleted article. Dispabasa ( talk) 23:36, 25 September 2022 (UTC)
→ in re: Vijay Pravin Maharajan ( | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)
The article Vijay Pravin Maharajan was deleted by you without even intimating me who created the page. The article has many featured news reference and it is definitely not an Unambiguous advertising or promotion. Everything in it was written in neutral point of view as well. You may please reinstate the page and you may go for a deletion discussion. Jehowahyereh ( talk) 03:28, 26 September 2022 (UTC)
→ in re: Natasha Tsukanova ( | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)
Hello, I see the page for Natasha Tsukanova was deleted due to advertisement guidelines. It seems I have had an issue with my writing style when it comes to biography pages, which I can only apologise for. I primarily work on Wikipedia:WikiProject Women in Red and other draft articles I can find that I feel relate to this group.
After I found and fixed the page up I noticed it was linked back to an account that had been blocked, which is where I believe the confusion is coming from. I would like to start the page up again with aid in writing style as I was in the process of removing promotional content and wording. If you have any tips for this please let me know as I'm still learning. Thanks SecureJane ( talk) 10:21, 26 September 2022 (UTC)
→ in re: Draft:Delphos International ( | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
Hi, I've seen you deleted the page Delphos International. I have signaled a potential conflict of interest but the tone and content of the page was extremely neutral. Why then was it deleted ? Or what do you recommnend to improve / delete ? Best. PouetPouetTagadaNicodeme ( talk) 21:33, 26 September 2022 (UTC)
→ in re:
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Wikipedia:Wikipedia is not here to tell the world about your noble cause
Hello @ Athaenara,
You deleted my article on The Brooklyn Bank just this month. You cited G11: Unambiguous advertising or promotion. I disagree with your reasons, and I would like you to consider reinstating the article.
This is a non-profit organization, and thus, there is no reason for the organization to promote or advertise itself. It is a prominent organization in New York that has received considerable public attention, and as such, should be recognized encyclopedically. If you feel like the writing was too embellished, or that it seemed promotional, it would have been more appropriate to edit particular language, or recommend the language for edit. The content itself is statements of fact, but perhaps the descriptive language was unnecessary, and if that specific language would be modified from an objective and neutral perspective, then the article itself would have been satisfactory. The article itself should not be deleted. HalpernAdam ( talk) 19:39, 29 September 2022 (UTC)
→ in re: Draft:Wetelo ( | talk | history | links | watch | logs); see also user Wetelo ( talk · contribs), now user Yurii Firs 1 ( talk · contribs)
Hi Athaenara, not that I care much, but I did look at [1] in surprise... ~ ToBeFree ( talk) 17:33, 5 October 2022 (UTC)
{{unblock|reason=Your reason here ~~~~}}
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Floquenbeam (
talk) 01:21, 11 October 2022 (UTC)I'm still in shock, first at myself having blurted so rudely in the middle of an RfA, and second at the poisonous fury of those who descended upon me for doing so.
If I had been one of those policing public discussion pages and saw that blurt I'd've been likely to revert it, devrel, chastise the offender, and block for perhaps 24 to 72 hours.
Part of where I was coming from was simple hurt that my own womanhood is not as defensible in this milieu as transwomanhood is. My one "this is me" post above was me going down under a storm of figurative fists and boots trying to obliterate me.
There's more to say but, still in a state of shock, I'm not inclined to attempt to construct numerous complex logical statements, as for example drawing comparisons to puritans whipping quakers out of town, being tarred and feathered and run out of town on a rail, etc. – Athaenara ✉ 00:12, 12 October 2022 (UTC)
standing up for women's rights, you say? ( Personal attack removed) a!rado ( C✙ T) 08:31, 12 October 2022 (UTC)
Secondly, suggesting that your own womanhood is at threat here is both farcical and puerile; it's of a piece with the chowderheads who argue (devoid of the slightest measure of common sense or logic) that same-sex marriage is somehow a "threat" to hetero marriage. No one here has challenged your right to identify as a woman. No one is like to do so.
An admin should not need reminding that actions have consequences. Admins ruling on block appeals, from someone who maintained they were justified in their offensive actions, as a matter of policy reject those appeals. Your only recourse for your shocking betrayal of the community's trust was abject contrition. This wasn't the path you chose, and that action comes with predictable consequences. Ravenswing 11:18, 12 October 2022 (UTC)
No, this is me, and my account is not compromised. Other veteran admins who have done a tremendous amount of good work - including supporting women's issues, outreach, editathons, cleaning up RfA, and spending 1000s of $$ on the project - have been desysoped for less. 'stress or other factors that cause them to act out of character' have never been taken into consideration by ANI or Arbcom and there is no reason to start now, particularly in the gravity of this case and where there is a pattern in her oppose votes in many RfA. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง ( talk) — Preceding undated comment added 03:50, 12 October 2022 (UTC)
@ Lourdes: I just want to take this opportunity to say thanks for the unblock, however long it lasts, I appreciate it. – Athaenara ✉ 08:35, 12 October 2022 (UTC)
as if nothing happenedtoo, which does not make it better to say the least). 1234qwer 1234qwer 4 20:59, 12 October 2022 (UTC)
As you are not interested in appealing your block or demonstrating remorse, I am disabling your talk page access. You can still appeal the block via the ticket request system or submit a statement to Arbcom as mentioned by Worm.
I would also ask everyone else to stay away from this talk page; despite what I wrote above, I do see the point that it has become a bit of a drama magnet. Hopefully disabling talk page access will keep the conversation to a minimum and any antagonistic comments (inadvertent or otherwise) at bay. Ritchie333 (talk) (cont) 13:52, 12 October 2022 (UTC)
FYI: Just another note for anyone still interested: I accept the conclusions which have been reached and the decisions which have been made, and I will not be asking for any reinstatement of privileges of any kind. – Athaenara ✉ 06:58, 13 October 2022 (UTC)
There is currently a discussion at Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents regarding an issue with which you may have been involved. Thank you. LilianaUwU ( talk / contribs) 00:53, 11 October 2022 (UTC)
Please see Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case#Desysop_of_Athaenara EvergreenFir (talk) 01:33, 11 October 2022 (UTC)
You are requested to email the Arbitration Committee at your earliest convenience. CaptainEek Edits Ho Cap'n! ⚓ 01:59, 11 October 2022 (UTC)
Per emerging consensus at Special:Permalink/1115609910#Athaenara unblocked by Lourdes — that unblock made a mockery of our due process. — TheresNoTime ( talk • they/them) 09:03, 12 October 2022 (UTC)
The Arbitration Committee has determined that Athaenara ( talk · contribs)’s behavior appears inconsistent with the level of trust required of administrators. Athaenara has not responded to contact from the Arbitration Committee. Accordingly, the Arbitration Committee resolves that Athaenara be desysopped in accordance with the Committee’s Level II removal procedures.
Support: CaptainEek, Enterprisey, L235, Maxim, Primefac, Worm That Turned KevinL (aka L235 · t · c) 18:30, 12 October 2022 (UTC)
Hello Athaenara, per request from the arbitration committee your sysop flag has been removed. This may be reversed by a subsequent committee request. You would need to contact the committee to get more information on what is needed from them for that option. You may also seek reappointment via Wikipedia:Requests for adminship. — xaosflux Talk 18:39, 12 October 2022 (UTC)
There is currently a discussion at Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents regarding an issue with which you may have been involved. The thread is Site ban for Athaenara. Thank you. -- Tamzin cetacean needed (she|they|xe) 19:01, 12 October 2022 (UTC)
Hi, Athaenara. I'm sorry to have to let you know that a discussion at ANI closed with consensus to topic ban from WP:GENSEX and from requests for permission. Appealable 1 year after expiry of most recent block or ban. The discussion closed here.
Best wishes. I know this is a hard time for you, and I hope you're taking care of yourself. Valereee ( talk) 12:45, 14 October 2022 (UTC)
Arbitration motions that relate to you has been proposed at Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case § Motion: Reversal and reinstatement of Athaenara’s block and Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case § Motion: Athaenara. If you wish to provide comment on those motions while blocked, you may do so by emailing arbcom-enwikimedia.org. Best, KevinL (aka L235 · t · c) 00:53, 15 October 2022 (UTC)
The Arbitration Committee has resolved by motion that:
For the Arbitration Committee, Dreamy Jazz talk to me | my contributions 22:15, 16 October 2022 (UTC)
The Arbitration Committee has resolved by motion that:
The Arbitration Committee directs its clerks to open a case to examine the reversal and reinstatement of Athaenara ( talk · contribs)’s block, TheresNoTime ( talk · contribs)'s use of the checkuser tool, and connected events. Subject to amendment by the drafting arbitrators, the following rules will govern the case:
For the Arbitration Committee, Dreamy Jazz talk to me | my contributions 22:53, 16 October 2022 (UTC)
Hi Athaenara, in the open Reversal and reinstatement of Athaenara's block arbitration case, a remedy or finding of fact has been proposed which relates to you. Please review this decision and draw the arbitrators' attention to any relevant material or statements. Comments may be brought to the attention of the committee on the proposed decision talk page. For a guide to the arbitration process, see Wikipedia:Arbitration/Guide to arbitration. For the Arbitration Committee, Dreamy Jazz talk to me | my contributions 00:06, 31 October 2022 (UTC)
I recognise your username Athaenara, but I do not recognise your words. To hold such a belief is one thing, but to say it so plain when it did not need to be said... I'm disappointed. I'm hurt for my candidate to whom we'd already explained RfA can be a nasty experience, but we never expected comments like this. I'm hurt for those who read your remarks and have internalised them. I'm hurting for you, who must have such hatred in your own heart to feel and believe such things, where people are merely trying to live their lives. Simply — how dare you? — TheresNoTime ( talk • they/them) 08:25, 11 October 2022 (UTC)
i really must say that Wikipedia is not a place for Transphobia and it's gross, as TheresNoTime said, people are merely trying to live their lives, especially people from this community who face any kinds of disrespect in this world, their life is hard as it is, how can we make it any harder? —— 🌸 Sakura emad 💖 ( talk) 10:03, 11 October 2022 (UTC)
Hey, Athaenara. I'd like to wish you a wonderful First Edit Day on behalf of the
Wikipedia Birthday Committee! Have a great day! Chris Troutman ( talk) 12:30, 12 October 2022 (UTC) |
A couple of things:
-- Floquenbeam ( talk) 15:29, 12 October 2022 (UTC)
Let me start off by saying I disagree with the comment you made in opposition to Isabella's AfD. However, I realize you are a human being as well. I hope you read this and it is encouraging and enlightening for you but that is for you to decide how to take it. It doesn't require a response. You are a beautiful Song. We don't have to agree on anything for me to make that statement confidently. I know it. You also don't spend 16 years on a project without it becoming a big part of your life and it must be shocking to have it removed indefinitely from you. I know it must be difficult as you expressed what you felt should have happened and this is so far beyond that. I don't know your past, where you come from or anything about you before what I can see here on Wikipedia but I don't have to know that to know you must be hurting. Wikipedia is not a forum or social media platform but we are human beings and I wanted to stop by to say that I see the light in you, the star in you, the good in you and a comment, a disagreement or even a philosophical difference, though one I might vehemently disagree with, wouldn't change how I view you as a human being. Please take care of yourself. -- ARose Wolf 13:47, 14 October 2022 (UTC)
There's an interesting quote found on, of all places, your user page — just below the one from Crossmr, and above the one from Bradpatrick.
There's also one on my userpage — ninth bullet point from the top.
That said, you are certainly entitled to decide that your Fun Hobby is less important than your Political Views. DS ( talk) 15:42, 16 October 2022 (UTC)
The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.
Hello Athaenara. I want to leave you my thoughts on this sad turn of events. We do not punish people for their thoughts or beliefs. However, if such thoughts result in "blurted" statements directed at another user, they are reverted, and the statement maker may be warned or blocked. (If the user is online it's even better to ask them to self-revert, because this proves that they understand what they did wrong.) I believe this is the first time you ever had a personal attack reverted. Am I right that you have no prior history of personal attacks being reverted, receiving warnings, or being blocked? I believe in second chances, very much so, because we are all human, and we all make mistakes. One severe mistake in 16 years is not the end of the world. The sanctimonious vitriol on this page and on ANI is every bit as destructive to the community as your remark. I wonder how many of those users have never made a serious mistake themselves? I also believe that administrators are subject to the same warnings and sanctions same as all other users in regard to non-administrative actions - the same, not more, not less. I believe you have been over-sanctioned in that regard. (Loss of sysop access is another matter that we need not address because you do not seek its restoration.) I recommend you contact ArbCom to confirm you are in control of your account and that you explain to them any circumstances that might have put you in a bad way on the day in question. In my 54 years experience I've seen that such things don't usually come out of the blue. There is usually a reason: neurological, medical, emotional, social, or something else. It is important that justice be done here, which means you should be sanctioned properly according to your circumstances, including matters that might be private. Kind regards, Jehochman Talk 13:05, 18 October 2022 (UTC)
I have said things that we are all apparently forbidden to say"Apparently"? Don't play dumb. You were an admin. You know the rules.
and thought things we are all apparently forbidden to thinkWhat you think was, and is, none of our concern. No one asked for, let alone came to police, your thoughts in your head. It is your actions that matter. You, as a former admin, know this.
I am a woman. I am not ashamed of it.Okay. No one told you to be ashamed of it. In fact, because of our gender gap and lingering sexism in the editing atmosphere, we celebrate successful woman editors.
I do not see transgenders as a "threat" to me or to anyone else, they just are who they are.That is not what your !vote said. You know this.
The orgies of self-congratulationNo one is congratulating themselves, or having anything remotely resembling a good time, as a result of your actions and their consequences. In fact the entire drama that you knowingly caused (for absolutely no reason other than that you really, really couldn't keep your transphobia in) has caused direct hurt to one person (exactly as you intended, and for which you never apologised) and unnecessary stress to the rest as they deal with you, Musk-esque free-speech absolutists, and all the transphobes and assorted 19th-century dinosaurs who've crawled out of the woodwork. W. Tell DCCXLVI ( talk to me!/ c) 16:16, 3 November 2022 (UTC)
guys who don't like womenis just kind of horrifying. I certainly don't experience the
special protectionto which the Karens of this world apparently feel entitled - that's for damned sure. And anyone who believes they can believe they can prove their innocence by drowning is simply lending too much credit to imaginary witch metaphysics - they ought to know better. Newimpartial ( talk) 09:49, 4 November 2022 (UTC)
AFAIK Athaenara engaged in inappropriate conduct but I'm happy that the people I see are at least being understanding and remembering the human. Firestar464 ( talk) 04:15, 31 October 2022 (UTC)
Hi Athaenara. I'm not going to comment on the reasons for your departure (we will definitely not be in agreement) but I do want to say that I'm sorry to see you go. I want to thank you for your encouragement and gentle shepherding on WP:3O in my early Wikipedia days (oh to be young again!) which pulled me out of the content world into Wiki world and is probably the single most important reason why, fifteen years later, I'm still here to type this. I have a busy and fulfilling RL but, for some obscure reason and even though I find I have less and less time for it, I care about Wikipedia more. I would be remiss if I didn't say this: Thank you. -- RegentsPark ( comment) 21:39, 3 November 2022 (UTC)
Given the soapboxing above, I've re-revoked your talk page access. ♠ PMC♠ (talk) 06:44, 4 November 2022 (UTC)
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User:Premeditated Chaos, that is an overreaction. If Wikipedia is a mature confident and tolerant community, Athaenara will be allowed access.
SmokeyJoe (
talk) 11:18, 14 February 2023 (UTC) Sorry I misread the timeline
SmokeyJoe (
talk) 03:35, 15 February 2023 (UTC)
a mature confident and tolerant community. Not to mention the events that actually resulted in her block. Newimpartial ( talk) 11:23, 14 February 2023 (UTC)
would like to see Athaenara back contributing as she did(but without the expressions of anti-trans sentiment), and I personally would like nothing better than to see her take responsibility for her actions, make amends, and rejoin the community.