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If this DYK is approved, readers will be enticed to learn about how the royal families of Europe are biological relatives to a closer extent than some may think!
Created by
AndrewPeterT (
talk). Self-nominated at 03:12, 18 March 2024 (UTC).reply
Number of QPQs required: 0. Nominator has less than 5 past nominations.
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Article moved from Draft:Descendants of Christian IX of Denmark on March 14, 2024
Article has not been expanded 5x since it was created
Article has not been created or expanded 5x or promoted to Good Article within the past 10 days (27 days) DYKcheck does not account for previous versions with splits or copyright violations.
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AndrewPeterT: Well done for nominating this article, a topic that is of great interest to me. The hook I prefer is ALT0. As you'd know, there are a few criteria for DYK:
This article was moved into the mainspace on 14 March and nominated on 18 March. Therefore, it is new enough.
My immediate primary concern for this article was the overwhelming amount of tables in its use. However, good use of background information for each child ensures that there are around 6800-6900 characters of original prose. This makes the article long enough.
These hooks, of which I prefer ALT0, are adequately sources, so there do exist cited hooks.
As you have less than five DYK nominations, there is no quid pro quo required.
Finally, the article's prose is well cited. Information within some tables, however, is not. Though it is clear that effort has been made to source information in some tables, some tables lack sourcing entirely. I am not too concerned with lack of sources for their birth and death dates as that can be found on their respective articles, but it is moreso their children. For example, three of
Princess Alexandra of Hanover and Cumberland's children lack sources.
The article has good spelling and grammar. There are a few fixes that could be made:
"would go on to have" ➜ "had"
"would go on to fight" ➜ "fought"
"would go on long sea voyages..." ➜ "went on long sea voyages..."
"Also, Alexandra and Edward's eldest..." ➜ "Additionally [or Furthermore, Moreover, etc.], Alexandra and Edward's eldest..."
After addressing him, he no longer needs to be repeatedly called "George I", he can just be called "George". Same goes for anyone else with ordinals. If it is a new paragraph, feel free to restate the ordinal. I would suggest however, you write "Christian IX" instead of "Christian" the whole time.
"Dagmar took the name Maria Feodorovna" ➜ "Dagmar took the name "Maria Feodorovna"". Italics not needed here. Quotation marks around her name is optional and up to you.
"Moreover, both Nicholas and Michael were killed during the Russian Revolution." ➜ "Moreover, both Nicholas and Michael, along with Nicholas's five children, were killed during the Russian Revolution." Yes, only talking about the children are being talked about, but it is best to include them as they were also closely-related relatives who also died as a result of the Revolution.
In the ALT0 hook, I would change it from "the parents to" ➜ "the parents of".
So, in summary, all that needs to be addressed is the sourcing within tables and a few spelling and grammar mistakes. I am also a bit concerned with the amount of WP:WHITESPACE. If this can't be fixed, it is not too much of a concern. Please let me know if you need any assistance or clarification. I hope this helps and I look forward to hopefully having this in DYK. Thanks. -
Therealscorp1an (
talk) 00:39, 11 April 2024 (UTC)reply
@
Therealscorp1an: Thank you very much for your detailed evaluation and feedback. I have no objections to the ALT0 hook being used on the Main Page. Could you please let me know when I should make the suggested changes? As you noted, I am still in the process of citing some of the information in the tables. AndrewPeterT (
talk) (
contribs) 02:12, 11 April 2024 (UTC)reply
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AndrewPeterT: As soon as possible. The quicker these are addressed, the quicker we can place it on DYK. -
Therealscorp1an (
talk) 04:10, 11 April 2024 (UTC)reply
All suggested spelling and grammar corrections have been made. I am prioritizing citing sources for the great-grandchildren of Christian IX and Louise. AndrewPeterT (
talk) (
contribs) 04:51, 11 April 2024 (UTC)reply
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AndrewPeterT: Great job. There's one other thing I would change. In the caption of the photo that will be used for the hook, I would change "Christian IX with various children and grandchildren at
Fredensborg Palace." to "1886 portrait of Christian IX and his family by
Laurits Tuxen." It's best the artist is probably credited. Also, in the actual article, in order to aleviate some of the
WP:WHITESPACE, I would remove the two protraits of Christian IX and Louise in the background section as there are paintings of them given in the table below so. Once you're done sourcing the table information, please let me know! -
Therealscorp1an (
talk) 00:08, 12 April 2024 (UTC)reply
@
Therealscorp1an: Have your concerns been assuaged? (Big dislike, incidentally, on the use of section headers within a review, as they make
T:TDYK's table of contents look angin.)--Launchballer 09:15, 30 April 2024 (UTC)reply
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Launchballer: and @
Therealscorp1an:: I still have two more tables to find references for. I should be able to have all references ready by 2359 UTC tomorrow (May 2)on May 3 on May 5. AndrewPeterT (
talk) (
contribs) 00:23, 2 May 2024 (UTC); edited 21:30, 2 May 2024 (UTC) and 22:18, 3 May 2024 (UTC)reply
@
Therealscorp1an: Thank you very much for being so accommodating as I found references for all of the information in the tables. I have cited everything to the extent possible (Please note that I was unable to find reliable sources for some lifespan dates). Would you please be able to review the article and let me know if I should make further modifications with the sourcing? AndrewPeterT (
talk) (
contribs) 21:33, 5 May 2024 (UTC)reply
The lifespan dates should be sourced, and if the snippets of Google search results are anything to go by, shouldn't be too difficult to source.--Launchballer 14:23, 7 May 2024 (UTC)reply
AndrewPeterT please note that this nomination is now over two months old, which has come to be the time-out point for stalled nominations. If it isn't approved within a week, the nomination is liable to be rejected.
~~ AirshipJungleman29 (
talk) 01:50, 14 May 2024 (UTC)reply
@
Therealscorp1an:, @
Launchballer:, and @
AirshipJungleman29:, I have now sourced all of the lifespan dates mentioned in the article. Given that the time-out point is soon approaching, would you please be able to approve this nomination or leave any final suggestions at your earliest convenience? Thank you all for your feedback! AndrewPeterT (
talk) (
contribs) 16:45, 14 May 2024 (UTC)reply
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AirshipJungleman29: Absolutely. In general, I agree that articles on descendants of individuals are genealogical trivia. However, I created this article on Christian IX's offspring because I believe the specific topic is
notable on its own merits. In particular, multiple works of literature have been published on this topic, including:
Aronson 2000, who chronicles the lives of Christian IX's children and their implications on 19th- and 20th-century European
geopolitics in his work. (I have linked the 2020 version of this text in the article.) For example, Aronson describes how
Alexandra of Denmark and
Maria Feodorovna (Dagmar of Denmark) brought anti-
Prussian attitudes with them to the British and Russian royal courts, respectively.
Carter 2011, which, among other topics, emphasizes the fact that
George V and
Nicholas II were first cousins (via Christian IX). Carter also chronicles how George and Nicholas navigated Europe amid
World War I and the impact of these experiences on how both viewed their family relationships.
Lerche and Mandal 2003, a text I have admittedly not read yet. However, I have heard, but am not certain, that this book was based on
this documentary specifically dedicated to the descendants of Christian IX that contains interviews with members of contemporary European royalty.
Please let me know if you would like additional clarification. AndrewPeterT (
talk) (
contribs) 17:58, 14 May 2024 (UTC)reply
Aronson 2000 and Lerche & Mandal 2003 are exactly the sort of existing sources needed. Many thanks for your speedy response.
~~ AirshipJungleman29 (
talk) 18:00, 14 May 2024 (UTC)reply
... that in a memorial tribute to Tachikawa Sumito, a former colleague said she did "not think there will ever be another [Japanese singer] to surpass him"? Source: 立川清登さんの思い出 [Memories of Mr. Tachikawa Sumito], p. 1
ALT1: ... that in 1976, Tachikawa Sumito made a hit cover of a song he first discovered when a housewife called into his radio show requesting to hear a version of it? Source: 立川清登 [Tachikawa Sumito], p. 59;
[1]
CurryTime7-24 this nomination was not properly transluded to
WP:DYKN, which is why it has gone unreviewed. As the nomination was made during the unreviewed backlog mode, you need to provide two QPQs within the next week.
~~ AirshipJungleman29 (
talk) 01:54, 14 May 2024 (UTC)reply
I'll take this one when I see two QPQs.--Launchballer 22:36, 14 May 2024 (UTC)reply
Articles created/expanded on April 9
Environmental damage of Gaza caused by the Israel–Hamas war
Comment: I'm very open to revising the hook, the research by
Forensic Architecture states that "What’s left is devastation... an area that is no longer livable...", I think this is a really important point to get across but not sure how to include it in the hook.
Full review needed now that maintenance tags are addressed and QPQ has been submitted.
BlueMoonset (
talk) 04:32, 23 April 2024 (UTC)reply
thanks
BlueMoonset, to the person reviewing it, please ping me with any questions :)
John Cummings (
talk) 16:18, 23 April 2024 (UTC)reply
@
John Cummings:, I started a review, but didn't get past the first section. I understand that this is a delicate subject, but the opening fails
Wikipedia:NPOV. Can you rework the opening section so it a little less "pointy"? --
evrik(
talk) 21:40, 24 April 2024 (UTC)reply
Hi
evrik thank you for looking at the article, I realise it is an emotive subject. I believe the intro to be a fair summary of the events and have used the same descriptors for the events as the sources, especially the academic study to try to make the article as accurate as possible. However there are limited sources available given the blockade and ban on journalists entering. I can't find any sources which despute that the destruction has happened or who destroyed the farms and trees. There are some more sources to go through but they mainly focus on the health impacts of the destruction. I've included the only quote I can find from the Israeli government in the body of the article. Can you tell me which words/phrases specifically you think are not balanced and how you would go about changing it?
John Cummings (
talk) 21:52, 24 April 2024 (UTC)reply
Tone down the hyperbole in the opening. If you can do that, ping me and I'll start the review again. --
evrik(
talk) 22:00, 24 April 2024 (UTC)reply
@
Evrik: (I appreciate I'm butting in, but the page is on my watchlist) I'm not seeing hyperbole in the article, grim as it is; some specifics would be helpful for progressing the article.
Richard Nevell (
talk) 20:57, 25 April 2024 (UTC)reply
I edited two items in the article. It looks like the suggestions made here have been implemented and the article is as neutral as it can be. The article has the correct inline citations and it is both long enough and new enough to qualify for dyk. The hook is confirmed, in the article, and interesting. I prefer ALT0 as it introduces the word
ecocide which is the subject of the article. The nominator has done a qpq. Regarding the stability of the article - it appears mostly -stable, just the nominator and myself have edited it today. Earwig has been down for me today so I have spot checked sources and did not find evidence of plagiarism.
Bruxton (
talk) 01:32, 1 May 2024 (UTC)reply
Bruxton thanks very much for assessing it and for your additions to the article.
John Cummings (
talk) 08:21, 1 May 2024 (UTC)reply
Offering the above spare hook. I think a hard fact about the destruction works best for the hook. Any characterization of the conflict works better in the article.
Rjjiii (
talk) 03:50, 14 May 2024 (UTC)reply
Source 1 states: "The number of sit-down strikes in 1936, 1937, and 1938 by months, with the number' of workers involved, is given in table 16."
Table 16 lists the same numbers of strikes given in source 2 below. It lists workers involved as follows:
1936: 87,817
1937: 398,117
1938: 28,749
Source 2 states: "In 1936 there were 48 so-called sit-down strikes.
In 1937 the number increased to 477, but by 1938 they decreased to
52. There were only 6 strikes during 1939 in which all or part of the
strikers remained at their workplaces for one or more days after
ceasing work. he number of workers idle in connection with these
6 strikes was 3,416, although the number participating in the sit-down
or stay-in feature is not known."
This sentence involves a very encyclopedic form of synthesis in that it adds numbers from two consecutive studies by the same source. Similar synthesis, but without inclusion of the latter number appears in Sidney Fine's book Sitdown, cited in the article.
QPQ not needed, expansion is recent and article is long enough. Hook is properly sourced. However, Earwig detected a 43.2% similarity. Before I pass this nom, I think it would be suitable to trim down some quotes, if possible.
Davest3r08>:3(
talk) 22:33, 14 April 2024 (UTC)reply
I've reviewed the
Earwig similarity report, which highlights passages that are either in quotes or comprise part of citations (including the journal name and another cited article). The longest passage is the summary of the Matignon Agreement, a quotation I don't think I can improve upon. I've revised the article to reduce the amount of material directly quoted from Torigian and from Adamic, but keep Adamic's longer definition and Torigian's POV that the mid-1930s strikes were a distinct phase of using the tactic. Let me know whether you think
these changes sufficiently reduce the reliance of direct quotations.--
Carwil (
talk) 13:29, 15 April 2024 (UTC)reply
Fair rationale. Passing nomination.
LunaEcplise (for the record I'm Davest3r08) (
talk) 20:33, 15 April 2024 (UTC)reply
@
Carwil,
LunaEclipse,
AirshipJungleman29, and
RoySmith: - given that there was no definite resolution to the discussion at [[Wikipedia_talk:Did_you_know#Sitdown_strike}]], I'm reopening this. A couple of issues were raised regarding the state of the article, and also whether the figures from the Dept. of Labor should be given in Wikivoice. —
Amakuru (
talk) 22:47, 14 May 2024 (UTC)reply
(Not a review) It looks like the book is specifically saying that it's the first short film to put a pop song over "silenced clips" (found footage?), not that it was the first short film ever to have a pop song as its entire soundtrack. The latter definition covers an awful lot of
musical short films going back to the 1920s.
DigitalIceAge (
talk) 03:17, 18 April 2024 (UTC)reply
Good catch, it was definitely nagging me how to accurately summarize that claim without basically quoting it directly. I think there were some similar claims made in other sources, so I'm gonna look through those again and see what the best way to approach that would be. As a fallback, there's the quote about the film "presenting the eyes for Ray Charles".
hinnk (
talk) 19:17, 19 April 2024 (UTC)reply
ALT2:
Bruxton (
talk) 00:13, 3 May 2024 (UTC)... that
Bruce Conner conceived of his short film Cosmic Ray as "presenting the eyes" for blind musician
Ray Charles? Source: Looking for Bruce Conner: "I felt that I was, in a way, presenting the eyes for Ray Charles, who is a blind musician…I was supplying his vision."
hinnk (
talk) 22:21, 19 April 2024 (UTC)reply
Reviewer still needed.
Z1720 (
talk) 13:55, 2 May 2024 (UTC)reply
I like ALT1 as it is confirmed, interesting, in the article and supported with RS including the Boston Globe. The article is a 5x expansion so qualifies. The article has the correct inline citations and it is neutral. NOqpq required and Earwig alerts at 35% to a long quote.
Bruxton (
talk) 00:13, 3 May 2024 (UTC)reply
@
@Hinnk,
RoySmith,
Bruxton,
AirshipJungleman29, and
DigitalIceAge: per discussion at
Wikipedia_talk:Did_you_know#Cosmic_Ray_(film), I've reopened this as I think there is too much doubt about the assertion of it being the first music video... as DigitalIceAge suggested, "this is a fringe view and too controversial to run as a hook". Either the hook should be strongly nuanced, or something else developed. —
Amakuru (
talk) 22:43, 14 May 2024 (UTC)reply
(also ping
Hinnk as above had a typo) —
Amakuru (
talk) 22:44, 14 May 2024 (UTC)reply
@
RoySmith: First are interesting, like The first woman named to the Blue Angels as F/A-18 demonstration pilot
Blue Angel fighter pilot
Amanda Lee.
Bruxton (
talk) 23:14, 14 May 2024 (UTC)reply
Yeah, I was being (only partially) sarcastic :-) But, that's a good example of a first that's probably OK to use. There's a small finite set of people who have been Blue Angle pilots. And an even smaller subset of them are women. So it's easy to do an exhaustive search of all women blue angel pilots and see who was first. Likewise, we had a hook recently about some member of the British royal family being the first to fly in a helicopter. There's a very small set of people who are in the British royal family and everything they do is noted. And helicopters have only existed for a relatively short amount of time. So it's really unlikely somebody will come up with some other royal who flew in a helicopter earlier. It's the open-ended sets like short films or WW-II fighter pilots where declaring somebody or something to be "first" gets dicey.
RoySmith(talk) 23:22, 14 May 2024 (UTC)reply
October 7, 1986 congress of the Democratic Yemeni Union of Peasants
... that the role of the Democratic Yemeni Union of Peasants(1986 congress pictured) was enshrined in the 1978 Constitution of
South Yemen? Source: Albert P. Blaustein, Gisbert H. Flanz. Constitutions of the Countries of the World: Yemen. Oceana Publications, 1986. p. 21
Comment. Hi
User:Soman - thanks for your work on the article. Any idea about the ultimate fate of the organisation – did it last until Yemeni unification in 1990?
ITBF (
talk) 10:42, 15 April 2024 (UTC)reply
I can't find anything definitive, I would have presumed its history ended with unification in 1990. Unlike youth organization and trade unions that continued post unification, it appears that Afid was comparatively weaker and would not have endured without state patronage. But looking here
https://www.adengad.net/news/693324 and
https://www.addalinews.com/Print/16352 there are mentions of a Peasants Union in the Southern movement... unsure if there is any organizational connection. For the purpose of this article I think we can end the article history with 1990 for now, though. --
Soman (
talk) 11:10, 15 April 2024 (UTC)reply
Looking at
https://www.yafa.news/archives/9941 , it seems there is no direct link between Afid 1976-1990 and the present-day Union of Southern Peasants. --
Soman (
talk) 11:14, 15 April 2024 (UTC)reply
New reviewer needed.
Z1720 (
talk) 13:58, 2 May 2024 (UTC)reply
@
Soman: I've given this a review. I'm ready to pass this, but I'm blah on the hook. Do you have any others? Also, you need to anser the question about when it closed, or if it still exists. --
evrik(
talk) 18:16, 7 May 2024 (UTC)reply
I'd say that the connection between the national constitution and a civil society organization is the most hookworthy factoid here. The only other option I see would the arrest of the chairman in 1978 or the cooperation agreements with East Germany. As per the closure of the organization, I don't have any source of an exact date of disbanding and it is quite likely that there was no official or formalized disbanding. When South Yemen ceased to exist, presumably the organization went quietly defunct. --
Soman (
talk) 10:43, 8 May 2024 (UTC)reply
Can you propose some alt hooks? Also work into the piece that, "it is quite likely that there was no official or formalized disbanding. When South Yemen ceased to exist, presumably the organization went quietly defunct." --
evrik(
talk) 15:30, 8 May 2024 (UTC)reply
I can't add speculation in the article mainspace, without any reference. I think it is clear from context that the organization ceased to function at some point around Yemeni unification, but the reader will have to connect the dots. --
Soman (
talk) 22:19, 11 May 2024 (UTC)reply
The hook is bleh, and the article is incomplete without something that says how the group ended. Would you like another reviewer? --
evrik(
talk) 02:27, 12 May 2024 (UTC)reply
... that early environmentalists like Cora Babbitt Johnson almost prevented the carving of Mount Rushmore? Source: Smith, Rex Alan (January 1, 1985). The Carving of Mount Rushmore. New York City: Abbeville Press. pp. chapter 2 and chapter 5; Fite, Gilbert Courtland (1952). Mount Rushmore. Internet Archive. Norman : University of Oklahoma Press; Merritt, Riley (2024-04-01). "Borglum's Horse Flies: The Early Opposition to Mount Rushmore". Honors College Theses.
Overall: The nominated article has one paragraph without a citation. The uncited paragraph could be supported in part by pages 11 and 121 of Mount Rushmore by Gilbert C. Fite, it talks about the Hot Springs Star's editorial stance.
https://archive.org/details/mountrushmore00univ/page/121 I also suggest that an alternate wording like "that early environmentalists like
Cora Babbitt Johnson almost prevented..." rather than the current wording. Update:Thanks to
Mary Mark Ockerbloom for working on the reference problems on the article. Do either of the two nominators,
Borg Axoim or
Crunchydillpickle, have any final thoughts or last minute suggestions?
🌿MtBotany (
talk) 03:52, 29 April 2024 (UTC)reply
@
Borg Axoim, @
Crunchydillpickle and @
MtBotany Where does the wiki article state that the carving of Mount Rushmore was "almost prevented?" Unless there's genuine evidence from the cited source that the project was almost going to be shut down (if so, that should be added in), letters of opposition, protests, and halts do not equal "preventions." This needs to be addressed first before promotion.
PrimalMustelid (
talk) 19:46, 7 May 2024 (UTC)reply
You're right,
PrimalMustelid sloppy reviewing on my part. One of the project's promotors (Robinson) said that her editorials against the project, "might produce a real disaster." The strongest that could be said is something like "environmentalists delayed the carving of Mount Rushmore" and I don't know that such as statement would be surprising/interesting. If Borg Axoim or Crunckydillpickle are interested in a rewrite of the hook there is a lot of support for something like "the artist who carved Mt. Rushmore called Cora Johnson and other environmentalists opponents "horseflies"."
🌿MtBotany (
talk) 17:45, 8 May 2024 (UTC)reply
PrimalMustelid and
My botany, you're right that the wording may not be ideal. Two of the sources (Fite and Merritt) mention how Cora Babbitt Johnson swayed the South Dakota governor against the project and that he delayed the project severely. Given that, I think it would be fair to say something like "
Cora Babbitt Johnson and other environmentalists lobbied South Dakota governor
Carl Gunderson, who halted the Mount Rushmore project until the end of his term". Would that be interesting enough? It could still use some rewriting.
User:Borg_Axoim 7:45, 9 May 2024 (UTC)
Overall: This nomination still needs work. As it's your first nomination, I'm happy to give you time to improve this. But, at minimum, you need to settle on an interesting hook with a reliable source that you can clearly cite for it. Unsourced sections need to either be removed, or reliable sources cited inline with them.
Grnrchst (
talk) 13:43, 17 April 2024 (UTC)reply
Suggestion: if you find a source for current use of the same routes, that might be interesting (enough)?
FortunateSons (
talk) 17:56, 18 April 2024 (UTC)reply
Marking as rejected due to a lack of response from
Owenglyndur. If they do not respond in the next few days, this can be closed as rejected.
Z1720 (
talk) 15:29, 10 May 2024 (UTC)reply
Z1720, it appears that Owenglyndur responded to your original post on their talk page on 5 May rather than here, and made a number of edits to the article that same day. Do issues remain? Also pinging original reviewer
Grnrchst.
BlueMoonset (
talk) 04:34, 11 May 2024 (UTC)reply
I'd be ok with passing this review now, as the biggest issues with the article and hook have been sufficiently addressed. There's still some bits that lack inline citations, but some of them make clear what they're citing in the text and others are rather minor things in larger paragraphs that contain inline citations elsewhere. --
Grnrchst (
talk) 08:11, 11 May 2024 (UTC)reply
@
Grnrchst and
Owenglyndur: A hook cannot run at DYK with missing inline citations. This will need to be resolved.
Z1720 (
talk) 16:38, 11 May 2024 (UTC)reply
Thanks for your comments i will work on them. I will let you know once its ready. So we will be able to publish the DYK then?
Owenglyndur (
talk) 07:42, 12 May 2024 (UTC)reply
Hook should be a Monty Python reference imo. (
t ·
c) buidhe 03:19, 12 May 2024 (UTC)reply
... that one of the canoe routes through Obonga-Ottertooth Provincial Park is difficult but rewarding for its "unusual and spectacular scenery"? Source: Ref #3 (Obonga-Ottertooth Provincial Park Management Statement)
@
P199 and
Evrik: I don't feel that comfortable with including a promotional quote from the park's manager on the main page. What else is there?
~~ AirshipJungleman29 (
talk) 17:08, 11 May 2024 (UTC)reply
AirshipJungleman29, is that an absolute policy or a preference? Would reworking the sentence be enough?--
evrik(
talk) 17:11, 11 May 2024 (UTC)reply
@
AirshipJungleman29 and
Evrik: would you accept this alternative (I still use the quote, albeit a different portion, and no longer use the POV terms):
ALT1: that one of the
canoe routes through Obonga-Ottertooth Provincial Park is difficult but rewarding for its "scenery of rapids, waterfalls,
talus boulders and steep canyons"?
What if we change the sentence to this, "The canoe route through the Ottertooth Creek canyon [has been described as] especially difficult and seldom travelled, but rewarding for its "unusual and spectacular scenery of rapids, waterfalls, talus boulders and steep canyons."? There are few independent sources. --
evrik(
talk) 15:49, 14 May 2024 (UTC)reply
If there are few independent sources, it might be worth considering whether the article meets the
WP:GEOFEAT criteria.
~~ AirshipJungleman29 (
talk) 17:29, 14 May 2024 (UTC)reply
This park is notable. I also think the hook is fine as written with the current sourcing. I'm struggling to find a solution that makes you happy. --
evrik(
talk) 17:34, 14 May 2024 (UTC)reply
Agree with Evrik. There are tons of sources, just not scholarly/academic ones (obviously, I don't want to use blogs and travel accounts). But an official government-issued work (i.e. Reference #3) should be more than acceptable. Furthermore note that this is not a marketing brochure or some other promotional material. So, if they say that the route "presents the canoeist with severe travel obstacles and minimal campsites" and "one is rewarded with unusual and spectacular scenery...", then that is rather factual and authoritative. It should not cause such trepidation... -- P 1 9 9✉ 17:49, 14 May 2024 (UTC)reply
@
Blaylockjam10: I studied the source and cannot find the hook. Can you lead me to it?
Bruxton (
talk) 02:56, 1 May 2024 (UTC)reply
@
Bruxton: It’s under “Regular Season (Complete Stats)”. It looks like it may only be visible on a computer.
Blaylockjam10 (
talk) 11:33, 2 May 2024 (UTC)reply
Looks like I need a premium membership to view. I will leave this to another reviewer.
Bruxton (
talk) 04:02, 4 May 2024 (UTC)reply
If "S TEAM LEAGUE GP GD GAA SV% GA SV SO W-L-T TOI" and "2022-23 Avtomobilist Yekaterinburg KHL 1 4 - - - - 0 0-0-1 0:00" means what I think it means, then a) you don't need a premium membership to view and b) I think the hook checks out with the source, depending on what "W-L-T" means, although I haven't yet looked at the article. I'm a bit worried about the phrases "submit stats/facts" and "edit profile" I found on the source - what makes it reliable?--Launchballer 11:57, 4 May 2024 (UTC)reply
Launchballer I saw the same, which made me feel like it was a contributor site. Honestly I was just lost on that page. I think W is win L is loss and T is tie. It is a clever hook which drew me to the nomination, but then I found myself lost for a half hour clicking on pull down menus until I got to a paywall. @
BeanieFan11: may be able to help.
Bruxton (
talk) 14:55, 4 May 2024 (UTC)reply
I'm not seeing the TOI part of the Elite Prospects link but based on how he played in the game that would make sense.
NHL says that he was the goaltender for only the shootout portion in his only game, which would mean that he "officially" had zero minutes since the shootout isn't timed. (Also, I've come across Elite Prospects a number of times – they seem pretty reliable (don't think I've seen an incorrect stat, although I've only used them in writing ~10 hockey articles) and seem to have a staff – also cited
~20,000 times). I'd say it's good for approving as long as the article itself is fine.
BeanieFan11 (
talk) 16:08, 4 May 2024 (UTC)reply
Blaylockjam10 I located the minutes played after being guided.
Earwig determined that there is some minor
WP:CLOP which needs to be addressed. Also probably not a DYK issue, but consider that we probably do not need a
section for three words - it should be combined somewhere. Also the lead should introduce/summarize more of the article; right now it is a single sentence. The hook is interesting and the article is neutral with the correct inline citations. Created on April 19 nominated April 26 so the article is new enough and with 2344 the article is long enough.
Bruxton (
talk) 18:52, 4 May 2024 (UTC)reply
ALT2: ... that even though about 100,000 bombs fell on Le Touquet during
WWII, making it "the most mined city in France", it was the first resort in Northern France to open its beaches after
Liberation? Source: There are different estimates of the number of explosive devices were left in Le Touquet, ranging from 92,745[62] through 106,745[86] and up to 137,950,[85][b] but all agree that Le Touquet became 'the most mined city in France'. (the last sentence in the "Wartime destruction" section), also "By Pentecost of 1945, Le Touquet's beach opened to visitors, the first in Northern France, but the demining proved taxing. 78 people died and 155 were injured while demining the town within 3 years of Liberation.[85][86]"
ALT3: ... that even though about 100,000 mines were laid in Le Touquet during
WWII, making it "the most mined city in France", it was the first resort in Northern France to open its beaches after
Liberation? Source: There are different estimates of the number of explosive devices were left in Le Touquet, ranging from 92,745[62] through 106,745[86] and up to 137,950,[85][b] but all agree that Le Touquet became 'the most mined city in France'. (the last sentence in the "Wartime destruction" section), also "By Pentecost of 1945, Le Touquet's beach opened to visitors, the first in Northern France, but the demining proved taxing. 78 people died and 155 were injured while demining the town within 3 years of Liberation.[85][86]"
expanded recently enough; article is well-written and well-sourced. In my opinion ALT2 is by far the most interesting hook.
Elli (
talk |
contribs) 04:14, 23 April 2024 (UTC)reply
I pulled this just before the main page. Needs a new hook. Schwede66 02:32, 13 May 2024 (UTC)reply
Per my comments there, I've suggested a modified version of ALT2 as ALT3 that's in line with the sourcing. Very sorry for not catching the issue with the wording.
Elli (
talk |
contribs) 03:58, 13 May 2024 (UTC)reply
The city hall's page says Ce sont au total 92745 mines et engins explosifs qui sont retrouvés et désamorcés sur le territoire de la commune., so it's mines and explosive devices. Saitzek tells this 137950 mines faisaient du Touquet selon un journal local "la ville la plus minee de France"1. Cependant, l'accès à la plage est autorisé dès la Pentecôte de 1945 et Le Touquet fut la première plage minée à ouvrir de nouveau son accès aux baigneurs. So we can say mines, explosive devices, I thought bombs could fall under the explosive devices category.
Szmenderowiecki (
talk) 21:08, 13 May 2024 (UTC)reply
... that a new subspecies of giant sengi was discovered in 2021? Source: "Despite the pelage differences, initial DNA comparisons found it nearly identical to R. chrysopygus. A later DNA comparison supported a designation of a new subspecies, Rhynchocyon chrysopygus mandelai as it diverges in pelage and is allopatric to R. chrysopygus (Agwanda et al. 2021)."
ALT1 ... that a new subspecies of giant sengi was discovered in 2021 in Kenya? Source: "Despite the pelage differences, initial DNA comparisons found it nearly identical to R. chrysopygus. A later DNA comparison supported a designation of a new subspecies, Rhynchocyon chrysopygus mandelai as it diverges in pelage and is allopatric to R. chrysopygus (Agwanda et al. 2021)."
ALT2 ... that a new Golden-rumped sengi subspecies (Rhynchocyon) was discovered in in Kenya? Source: "Despite the pelage differences, initial DNA comparisons found it nearly identical to R. chrysopygus. A later DNA comparison supported a designation of a new subspecies, Rhynchocyon chrysopygus mandelai as it diverges in pelage and is allopatric to R. chrysopygus (Agwanda et al. 2021)."
ALT3 ... that a new subspecies of the giant Golden-rumped sengi was discovered in 2021? Source: "Despite the pelage differences, initial DNA comparisons found it nearly identical to R. chrysopygus. A later DNA comparison supported a designation of a new subspecies, Rhynchocyon chrysopygus mandelai as it diverges in pelage and is allopatric to R. chrysopygus (Agwanda et al. 2021)."
Date, size, expansion, hook, refs, QPQ, copyvio spotcheck, all GTG. Minor disclaimer: the prose script I use does not count tables and bulleted lists, and without them I see only ~2.5-3x expansion. But there is a new large table (with some advanced features) and a new list, so I am AGFing the 5x claim. PS. I added a single citation needed request to one sentence - I ask the nom to comment here on whether it has been addressed. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus|
reply here 10:15, 20 April 2024 (UTC)reply
Reference added! And yes, it was not massively expanded, however I am working on more sections in the conservation section today. Thank you for the comments.
Andrew Z. Colvin •
Talk 22:55, 20 April 2024 (UTC)reply
Not happy with 'recently'; hooks must not be likely to change.--Launchballer 17:41, 4 May 2024 (UTC)reply
@
Azcolvin429: Another issue with recently is that it's relative to the field but if that's unclear, it could give folks a misleading impression. 2008/7 is recent for the discovery of species, but not recent in other ways. Back in 2007, you could pull your Blackberry out of your ombré jeans and text your friends to meet you at Blockbuster Video so you all could rent a DVD to play on your PS2. Some people could read the hook as meaning that it was discovered earlier this year. I thought some of the reproduction information cited to
Rathbun was interesting, including that they're monogamous but spend little time together and the quick development of the offspring, "mall versions of adults and are able to run swiftly within an hour of birth". Good luck, whichever way you go,
Rjjiii (
talk) 06:24, 8 May 2024 (UTC)reply
AirshipJungleman29, Fair point, I would be happy to review alternate hooks, as on second thought the current one is also not very interesting. Could of course just change 'recently' to a year and move on, accepting that it won't be very clickable. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus|
reply here 01:45, 12 May 2024 (UTC)reply
I know it is not super interesting, its just a little factoid and I expanded the article significantly so figured it would be useful. I initally avoided the year as it is not super recent, but it was not on Wikipedia until I wrote about it and updated corresponding phylogenies and distributions. I should clarify that the expanded article is just the genus. The new subspecies is Rhynchocyon chrysopygus mandelai and is mentioned in the article as well as given a section titled "Kenya subspecies". Maybe the hook should be more specific? Though I wanted to avoid being too technical. I added a few alts.
Andrew Z. Colvin •
Talk 06:39, 12 May 2024 (UTC)reply
Comment: By far my finest hour at
AFC yet. The buzz and anticipation (and spoilers!) at
r/Bluey on the eve of its U.S. release (the evening before, more like) compelled me to give this a shot at you-know-where--well after its original
ABC airing, and mere minutes after its
Disney+ bow; helps that I, an occasional but devoted viewer of the Heelers and company, actually watched along with my niece (via tablet) on that very day. It's not every season--or series (in that case)--you get to see WP coverage of an animated kidvid episode outside Nicktoons, Cartoon Network, and occasional in-house-Disney territory. (I speak from previous experience, as my early-era attempts at Care Bears episode articles ultimately went nowhere; such has been the fate of many recaps devoted to older shows in that demographic.) Not to mention
TV Tropes and
Know Your Meme had their own pages on this topic while ours was in dance draft mode! By the way, an episode like "The Sign" actually speaks volumes to yours truly, a former Connecticut resident (and animation lover--and immigrant from the Commonwealth of Dominica) who had to move to Central Florida seven years ago on account of his male superior's job change. (Shared that same memory to the niece.) Many thanks to the others who helped me along the way this past week:
May we meet each other again in the next few months en route to my long-coveted
Four Award--for real life (which I originally planned to reserve for Ain't Burned All the Bright last August). No matter what happens next--good or bad... "We'll see."
We can link to the tale itself in the hook,
The old man lost his horse. I don't know the etiquette for this so I'm just leaving this as a comment.
Arcorann (
talk) 00:34, 1 May 2024 (UTC)reply
Overall: Not sure what the comments above about the link meant. Not thrilled with the hook. It's somewhat wordy. Also, the word Huainanzi is not in the article. Can we get some ALTs? --
evrik(
talk) 18:46, 8 May 2024 (UTC)reply
Overall: Great work on this article! Earwig highlighted a few words, but they just appear to be common words and phrases. Good to go! Kentuckian|
💬 15:11, 24 April 2024 (UTC)reply
I worry about this hook's
WP:DYKINTerestingness, as it is entirely dependent on knowing its names (I only know of Joanna Southcott because I'm distantly related to her). What else have you got?--Launchballer 08:38, 10 May 2024 (UTC)reply
The
WP:DYKINTerestingness is not from the names mentioned. who are both notable, and Southcott is known to some (who are not related to her). The key phrase here is "spiritual child". If Miss X is the spiritual child of Miss Y .... then its intriguing. Adding "prophet" in front of Joanna would be better but I'm not sure "I'm (personally) not impressed" is a valid reason. If there is no offered alternative then this should proceed as approved IMO, no reason to stall it.
Victuallers (
talk) 10:55, 13 May 2024 (UTC)reply
Let's see an ALT to that effect.--Launchballer 22:41, 14 May 2024 (UTC)reply
Please somehow set aside all the copy/paste stuff as quotes. --
evrik(
talk) 21:48, 3 May 2024 (UTC)reply
Article has now been rewritten, so the copy-paste from PD source is less direct. Length, date, hook ok. Ideally
File:Flag_of_San_Diego_County,_California.png should be added to the nomination as well. However, the nominator needs to provide a QPQ for this to be ticked. --
Soman (
talk) 11:47, 10 May 2024 (UTC)reply
New enough, long enough. The hook is "meh". No QPQ done. Large amount of quoted text needs better clarification. I'm not going to review this article anymore. --
evrik(
talk) 16:24, 10 May 2024 (UTC)reply
New reviewer needed. --
evrik(
talk) 16:24, 10 May 2024 (UTC)reply
Sorry, but where is the QPQ? You must add a link here in the template somewhere. --
Soman (
talk) 10:47, 11 May 2024 (UTC)reply
I just went through Illegitimate Barrier's contributions. He has only edited two DYK nomination pages since May 2020, this one and
this edit to
Kirby: King of Comics, which absolutely does not count as a QPQ. This needs a full QPQ, and I would suggest stepping on it.--Launchballer 13:23, 11 May 2024 (UTC)reply
I've taken the liberty of proposing a rearranged ALT0a for reasons of grammar, as it was looking a bit breathless, and so that it ends with "Samuel Kummer" instead of "his own".--Launchballer 10:21, 30 April 2024 (UTC)reply
@
Gerda Arendt: This is the oldest fully unreviewed nom and I need a QPQ, so I'm reviewing. New enough, blurbless ITN notwithstanding, and long enough. Earwig has no valid complaints. Looking at ALT0a now, Reger and Vierne are lesser 'names' and I'd expect a more merciless prepbuilder to cut them, but I'll let them make that decision. Two things; as written, the 'Life and career' section would deserve {{subsections}} (and surely 'Personal life' comes under Life and career anyway), and single-sentence
WP:PARAGRAPHs should be avoided - this should be reordered somehow.--Launchballer 22:54, 14 May 2024 (UTC)reply
Sumo referee Kimura Shōtarō with a Pokémon-inspired kimono in January 2022
... that since the
January 2022 sumo
tournament, gyōji can be seen in the ring wearing kimonos with Pokémon-inspired designs to celebrate the 25th anniversary of the release of Pokémon Red and Blue? Source:
1,
2
Reviewed:
Improved to Good Article status by
OtharLuin (
talk).
Number of QPQs required: 0. Nominator has less than 5 past nominations.
Post-promotion hook changes
will be logged on the talk page; consider
watching the nomination until the hook appears on the Main Page.
My first thought reading the hook was "my sphincter, the games were released in 1996!". The hook should make it clear that the games were in fact released then - simply adding "the 1996 games" will take the hook above
WP:DYK200, so something else will have to give.--Launchballer 07:15, 26 April 2024 (UTC)reply
I don't think the mention of the year of release is so important that it needs to be added, the hook is centered on the kimono and I'm already specifying that it's the game's 25th anniversary. The hook is long enough as it is. -
OtharLuin (
talk) 07:24, 26 April 2024 (UTC)reply
Yes, which means as written the hook implies they were released in 1997! That said, I am a huge Pokémaniac (even to the point I spent much of the pandemic writing
Pokémon-themed fanfiction, which at some point I should rewrite from scratch) and perhaps I'm being too overprotective. An actual reviewer can adjudicate on this.--Launchballer 07:57, 26 April 2024 (UTC)reply
Was this a limited-time promotion or now ongoing/continual? "Since the January 2022 sumo tournament, gyoji can be seen" makes it sound like the latter, while the sources give the impression that they were only talking about the one tournament. If it was just for a limited time then we should rephrase and use past tense.
Adumbrativus (
talk) 19:26, 27 April 2024 (UTC)reply
No limit in time. The
Japan Sumo Association made a set of kimono to celebrate the anniversary but gyoji can still be seen wearing the said pokémon-inspired kimono in the ring today. (
another source) -
OtharLuin (
talk) 22:03, 27 April 2024 (UTC)reply
This nomination still needs a reviewer.
Z1720 (
talk) 15:45, 10 May 2024 (UTC)reply
194 characters. Full review needed.--Launchballer 17:34, 26 April 2024 (UTC)reply
New, long, hook verified (though I'd trim the hook more). A couple concerns:
Copyright violation is an issue even in translation. Unless Elonet's text is in the public domain, the first two paragraphs of the Production section/second paragraph of Filming are much too close and should be rewritten.
Why is the article not titled
Lampaansyöjät (film)? None of the sources seem to use that English name, nor do databases like
IMDb. I suggest moving it to the Finnish title unless English sources actually use the translated version.
Smaller note, the article mentions a 2019 TV presentation without having introduced it.
Painting of Taiyin Xingjun, the Western Xia (982–1227), in Hermitage Museum.
... that Taiyin Xingjun(pictured) is considered the original Chinese moon goddess, even though
Chang'e is sometimes viewed as an accidental resident and is also regarded as an incarnation of her? Source:
找神!拜對正廟有緣神: 拓展「神脈」,更要抱對「佛腳」!
Hi, who will review my DYK? And how many days do I need to wait for a review?
TheGreatPeng (
talk) 18:45, 26 April 2024 (UTC)reply
Comment. Please be patient. This is a volunteer effort, and the average wait time for a review could be around two to three weeks, perhaps sooner or later depending on who is active. Please be mindful of
WP:DYK200. It may help to present alternate hooks for consideration.
Viriditas (
talk) 20:56, 26 April 2024 (UTC)reply
But it was too long to wait; even my second DYK was reviewed.
TheGreatPeng (
talk) 05:29, 9 May 2024 (UTC)reply
Article is sourced well, no plagiarism, new enough, long enough, but needs another pass over for grammar, spelling, and tone. Article could also use clarification about which aspects of worship of this god apply to China/specific regions of China, and which to Taiwan. Hook should also be simplified. How about: ...that Taiyin Xingjun (pictured) is the original Chinese moon goddess, but is often confused with Chang'e?
Comment: Realized I'm a bit late; requesting an IAR exception per
Wikipedia:Did you know/Guidelines. Also, I understand the source says "first" (as opposed to only), but he won the most recent one given to be the first, which means he's also the only one to do it so far. (Although I'm fine changing it to "first" if you think best.)
Source: Nicolae Coande, "Băiatul căruia nu-i era frică de lup", in Cuvântul Libertății, April 2, 2003, p. 4: Scriitori și oamenii de cultură, nu mai vorbesc de gazetarii de la Scânteia sau România liberă, se întreceau în a-i demonstra că nu are de ce să se teamă că a fost descoperit... genial. În acel an de pomină, scriitorii care au vizitat Scorniceștiul pentru a mai afla ceea ce nu se știa din biografia celui plecat în Lume de pe aceste meleaguri obscure au reușit să afle lucruri excepționale. Grație flerului jurnalistic al lui Ilie Purcaru, combatant la Flacăra, dar și mitomaniei de care erau cuprinși de-a valma cei care îl cunoscuseră cândva, s-a putut afla că micuțului Ceaușescu nu îi era deloc frică de lup atunci când se ducea în pădure, dar și că îi plăcea să pună în scenă jocuri cu subiecte istorice unde camarazii săi îl alegeau invariabil de șef. ("Writers and men of culture, not to mention the journalists at Scînteia sau România Liberă, took turns demonstrating [to Ceaușescu] that he had nothing to fear at having been discovered as... a genius. In that infamous year, the writers who visited
Scornicești, arriving there to dig up unknown details from the biography of he who had left that obscure realm to enter The World, managed to pick up some outstanding information. Thanks to the journalistic flair of Ilie Purcaru, that combative voice at Flacăra, but also to the mythomania that had swept across those who had known him [Ceaușescu] back in the day, the reader was informed as to little Ceaușescu's not being even a little afraid of wolves as he roamed about the woods, but also that he liked to stage games on historical subjects, where his comrades would invariably select him as the leader.") Note that parts of the quote are tongue-in-cheek; Cuvântul Libertății is a provincial newspaper in
Craiova (where Purcaru himself was active for much of his life); Nicolae Coande is a poet and journalist based in that same city, whose graduate paper was on the "myths of Romanian communism", and who holds a masters' in philosophy (see
his CV at the
Romanian Writers' Union).
ALT1: ... that according to a legend recorded in Romanian journalists' circles, Ilie Purcaru(pictured) covered the
Vietnam War only because he was dying from
cirrhosis, but returned "healthy as a horse"? Source: Constantin Poenaru, Publicistica: 2004–2016, pp. 36–37. Râmnicu Vâlcea: Editura INTOL PRESS, 2022.
ISBN978-606-8701-35-6: Despre Ilie Purcaru circula prin redacție vorba că, fiind bolnav grav de ciroză și convins, prin urmare, că nu o mai duce mult, s-ar fi oferit singur să plece corespondent în Vietnam, în perioada războiului cu americanii. Urmarea, anecdotică, este că, prin nu se știe ce minune, s-a întors sănătos tun, deși a avut de îndurat multe privațiuni acolo. ("As to Ilie Purcaru, the rumor in our editorial office was that, having fallen severely ill with cirrhosis, and therefore convinced that he would not last for long, he volunteered to be a correspondent in Vietnam, during the war with the Americans. The follow-up, according to this anecdotal account, is that, by who knows what miracle, he came back as healthy as a horse, regardless of how many hardships he had encountered there.")
Comment: This article could've been both a nomination as a creation (by Biruitorul) or an expansion (by me). There are plenty of other juicy facts in the article, such as
Ion Iliescu's thoughts on having Purcaru slapped "once or twice" (I'm leaving this out because the Iliescu article is messy, and because the incident is a tad obscure), or his appearing on Romanian Television with two exactly opposite messages before and after the 1989 Revolution (again, pretty obscure context to fit in a hook).
Overall: Very nice article about I building which I often admired from the old commuter train Halkali - Sirkeci (and I thought it was the Armenian patriarchate... :-( ), and which I saw again last March after traveling for the first time on the new T6 line. I would say that the only thing that the article needs is a copyedit, and that the hook should explain where the building is: i propose the following version:
ALT1 ... that the Bulgur Palas(pictured) a historic mansion in Istanbul, takes its name from
bulgur, wheat
groats that the first owner traded?
What do you think about it?
Moreover, I would mention in the article that the mansion was home to canaries (this could be the subject of another interesting hook), and that was plundered during the Istanbul pogrom, but I leave these additions to you. Cheers!
Alex2006 (
talk) 08:59, 4 May 2024 (UTC)reply
ALT2 ... that the historic mansion Bulgur Palas(pictured) in
Istanbul hosted a birdhouse for hundreds of domestic canaries in one room during its ownership by the
Ottoman Bank?
CeeGee 12:22, 4 May 2024 (UTC)reply
@
Alessandro57: Thank you for your review and nice comment. ALT1 hook is better formulated. I've expanded the article according to your advice, and provided ALT2 hook. Please recheck. Who knows what notable buildings we pass by every day and don't know really about them. Cheers.
CeeGee 12:22, 4 May 2024 (UTC)reply
There is absolutely no way this article can be passed on Main Page in the current state. It often uses a word-order that seems to reflect Turkish grammar, rather than English, and at time simply invents words ("aquiry" is one staring at us from the first sentences). I assure you that I sympathize with the creator, as code-switching between such vastly different languages must be a terrible ordeal.
Dahn (
talk) 12:56, 4 May 2024 (UTC)reply
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CeeGee: thanks a lot for your expansion and for ALT2. @
Dahn:, I agree with you that the article needs copy editing (that's why I asked for it), and I suppose the horrible language level is due to the author of the translation, who is not the nominator. I am the reviewer (and my native language is Italian), so I am not allowed to do that. CeeGee, do you think you can do it, or do we have to find someone else?
Alex2006 (
talk) 17:24, 4 May 2024 (UTC)reply
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Alessandro57 and
Dahn: I will request copyediting by the GOCE. Let's see if the nomination can survive the two-month limit.
CeeGee 04:57, 5 May 2024 (UTC)reply
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CeeGee: thank you for the ping, I have done a quick copy edit.
TSventon (
talk) 09:52, 5 May 2024 (UTC)reply
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TSventon: Thank you very much indeed for your great help.
CeeGee 10:08, 5 May 2024 (UTC)reply
@
Dahn: A nice
user copyedited the article. I ask you to recheck it. Please let me know if you don't complain anymore so that ı can remove my request from the GOCE, and the reviewer can proceed.
CeeGee 10:08, 5 May 2024 (UTC)reply
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CeeGee: Fine work. But I have some (additional) questions regarding the sourcing. For instance: "Due to the financial difficulties experienced by Habip Bey resulting from his arrest after the Armistice of Mudros in 1918 and his exile to Malta in 1919,[2] the construction could not be fully completed.[3]" How can reference [2] not cite the part referenced with reference [3], without this being a case of
WP:SYNTH? Either that, or they both cite the second part of the phrase, in which case the referencing is unusually sloppy.
Dahn (
talk 19:43, 5 May 2024 (UTC)reply
@
Dahm: The fact used in the article is below in original Turkish form. If needed, I can supply a Google translation:
“Mütareke döneminde Habib Bey, İtilaf Devletlerinin talebi doğrultusunda tutuklanarak Bekirağa Bölüğü 'ne hapsedilir.”, “Habib Bey daha sonra 1 yıldan daha fazla kalacağı Malta'ya sürgüne gönderilir.”
[7] (ref #2)
“Bolulu Habib Bey de 20’likler listesinde Malta’ya sürülür. Malta’da kurulan mahkemede yargılanan Habib Bey, 20 Temmuz 1920’de hiçbir ceza almadan İstanbul’a geri gönderilir. Ancak bir süre sonra tekrar tutuklanır. Bu dönemde Habib Bey’in ailesi bankalara epeyce borçlanmıştı. Osmanlı Bankası’ndan alınan kredilerin faizi bile ödenemez duruma gelir. Bulgur Palas’ın inşaatı da bir türlü bitirilemez. “
[8] (ref #3)
Well that is precisely my point: the tidbit about the exile and how it left the house unfinished is verified by two (three?) sources, one of which also verified another fact. The citation of these facts was entirely chaotic, using just one of the sources for the fact, and giving the impression that two facts were pasted together. I tried to amend the references and syntax accordingly. Other parts of the article continue to have the same issue: "a room in the downstairs was reserved as a birdhouse for hundreds of domestic canaries,[4] which were probably raised to live in the branches of the Ottoman Bank.[2]" This gives the impression that source number [4] verifies the number of canaries, and source [2] discusses how they got there. But is this really the case?
Dahn (
talk) 06:32, 6 May 2024 (UTC)reply
I don't understand what you mean with "But is this really the case?" Please specify more clear for me.
CeeGee 10:15, 6 May 2024 (UTC)reply
Dahn is asking whether it really is the case that source number [4] verifies the number of canaries, and source [2] discusses how they got there?
TSventon (
talk) 11:03, 6 May 2024 (UTC)reply
Is there a need to know how the birds got there? I really cannot understand this question. It is mentioned that they were there.
CeeGee 11:52, 6 May 2024 (UTC)reply
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CeeGee: It's a style issue. The phrase uses two references, both of which presumably verify that canaries lived there. From how they are used, I gather that the first one specifies a fact not mentioned in the former: the (rough) number of canaries; presumably, the other one doesn't go into that level of detail, but specifies how they got there ("raised to live in etc."). Is this how the sources are used, or is this this another case of just randomly adding citations to various parts of a phrase?
Dahn (
talk) 19:06, 7 May 2024 (UTC)reply
@
Dahn: Thank you for your attention. The citations were mismatched. I fixed it now.
CeeGee 10:12, 8 May 2024 (UTC)reply
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CeeGee: Not really. I verified myself, and it gets really weird: both sources actually cite both facts (the number of canaries, and how they got in the building), so prima facie it makes absolutely no sense to not add them both as citations to the end of the phrase (this is the "sloppy referencing" I mentioned -- I don't understand why anyone would play eenie-meeny with references, randomly picking out what source to use for what fact (instead of checking all sources, for all facts). But then, get this: at least in that portion of the text, both sources are identical, because one is a likely mirror of the other, or because they plagiarized each other. This makes it even more absurd: two identical references, one of which would have to be redundant, but each used to source a different fact.
Dahn (
talk) 10:39, 8 May 2024 (UTC)reply
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Dahn: are you happy for Alessandro57 to resume their review, or do you have further questions?
TSventon (
talk) 14:22, 9 May 2024 (UTC)reply
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TSventon: The issue I raised above remains unaddressed by either the editor or the nominator (the latest edit simply switched the references around, which does not answer the objection). The weird use of sources/citations is prevalent in other parts of the article as well. Consider: "The building consists of five floors:[8] one cellar, three full floors and one half floor.[9]" How can source [9] not verify the fact verified by source [8], if it spells out the same number of floors?
Dahn (
talk) 14:27, 9 May 2024 (UTC)reply
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Dahn: I think your post on 8 May was probably read as a comment, which did not need an answer. Could you list the remaining problems, ping CeeGee and tell them what you want them to do?
The original version of the article as translated from tr Wikipedia said "It consists of three full floors and one half floor.[4]" CeeGee (I think) has expanded that to the current version, adding "one cellar", which is not mentioned by source [9]. I am unsure whether the half floor is a semi-basement or a mezzanine, the pictures suggest that the building has four storeys including the towers plus a semi-basement.
TSventon (
talk) 15:17, 9 May 2024 (UTC)reply
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CeeGee: Please make sure your copyedit addresses the issues I raised above: the sources need to be used consistently, of the two sources with the exact same text (for the canary factoid) only once must be selected, the disagreement in sources regarding the number of floors needs to be noted (if this indeed what has happened there). In general: if a fact is verified by several sources, the usage of references needs to change. It's not: "my dog has four legs,[1] one of which is darker than the other three[2]", but either: "my dog has four legs[1][2]. One is darker than the other three[2]", or "my dog has four legs, one of which is darker than the other three[2]".
Dahn (
talk) 15:45, 9 May 2024 (UTC)reply
CeeGee, I have another query. The article says "It is claimed that the house, also called the Bolulu Habip Bey Mansion, was financed by the black market trade in grain and bulgur, a cracked wheat foodstuff, during World War I.[1]" This seems to be based on the opening lines of ref #1. However ref #2 and ref #3 via Google translate do not mention the black market. The quote from ref #1 looks like a political editorial comment, how did you decide it was more reliable than the accounts in ref #2 and ref #3?
"Bulgur Palace, which Habib Bey allegedly had built by selling bulgur on the black market during the war years, is opening to the public almost 100 years later. It is as if the history of the mansion is also the history of the country."
[9] (ref #1) via Google translate.
An example from ref 2 "During this period, Mehmed Habib Bey, who was a Bolu deputy from the Committee of Union and Progress, made a great fortune from the grain and bulgur monopoly, and with the money he earned, he built the building, somewhat ironically known as 'Bulgur Palace' among the public."
[10] (ref #2). via Google translate.
"İttihat Terakki Bolu Mebusu Habib Bey’in bulgur vurgunundan kazandığı paralarla yaptırıldığı için Bulgur Palas olarak anılan konağın ardında ise derin acılar yatıyor."
[11]CeeGee 11:58, 6 May 2024 (UTC)reply
The article uses the term
black market, i.e. trading that violates laws or rules. "bulgur vurgunundan" Google translates as bulgur
profiteering, i.e. unethical but not necessarily illegal trading. That is an important difference in English, obviously the terms used in another language won't exactly correspond to those used in English. I would avoid black market unless I was sure it was justified.
TSventon (
talk) 12:13, 6 May 2024 (UTC)reply
I won't oppose to you. It may be better to use "profiteering" or "fortune from unfair trade". I guess you can formulate it better in that soft way.
CeeGee 05:25, 7 May 2024 (UTC)reply
I would suggest the easiest thing is to leave out black market. The source doesn't explain why Habib Bey's trading was black market and only uses the word in an 21st century context, rather than in the section about Habib Bey. An alternative would be to explain the context in more detail, but I would find that difficult as I don't speak Turkish or know much about Ottoman economic history.
TSventon (
talk) 11:02, 8 May 2024 (UTC)reply
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Dahn: About the phrase with"canaries": I didn't know that difference in using references. Fixed it now. About the phrase with "floors": I tried to clarify it in two sentences. Please recheck.
CeeGee 10:32, 11 May 2024 (UTC)reply
I'm sorry,
CeeGee, but the way in which this article uses sources continues to be ridiculous. I fixed another such sophomoric use of the citations, but I'm bewildered by the sort of logic that went for instance in citing the very same fact, about Mogeri being the architect, twice in the text, each time with a different source. This is probably something that happened in other parts of the article, probably throughout -- judging from a quick glance at the text and the sources. I also noticed that several sources have authors clearly indicated in the link, yet they are not mentioned in the citation. I am sorry for burdening you with this task, but the article needs a deeper copyedit.
Dahn (
talk) 14:07, 11 May 2024 (UTC)reply
No problem as long as you have time. I tried to fix the "Mongeri"-issue. Since I cannot detect any others by myself, you may specify explicitly.
CeeGee 08:32, 12 May 2024 (UTC)reply
The article was nominated within the time scale and is long enough. Earwig suggests no copyright violation—a short quotation is properly attributed. The image is PD. QPQ stands at 4—not required. All references to which I have access check out, except "The Concorde's 74 minutes of totality remains the longest total eclipse observation." I couldn't find this in Hatherill (but it may be in Pappalardo, which I have taken on trust). Pappalardo is also the attribution for both hooks, so assuming GF. The "hold" may be quickly disposed of if Hatherill isn't used for "longest flight"
This is only my second DYK review—oversight welcome.
--
AntientNestor (
talk) 16:03, 29 April 2024 (UTC)reply
I have removed the Hatherill for longest flight. I did add a 2010 Wired article instead to try and back it up with a source that wasn't paywalled. (Grossman: "The longest totality ever observed by an experimental aircraft was 74 minutes, captured by a supersonic Concorde aircraft in 1973. .")
Samsmachado (
talk) 21:38, 1 May 2024 (UTC)reply
I did just go through this with Earwig, and actually there are a couple of phrases that need changing.--Launchballer 11:53, 30 April 2024 (UTC)reply
I just tweaked some of the phrases Earwig flagged. Mostly it's picking out attributed quotations and a few things that I would call broadly 'terms', in the sense that they can't really be re-worded because that's just what they are (ie. "four twin-spool Olympus 593 engines", " oxygen atoms in the Earth's atmosphere", "the path of a total solar eclipse"). Launchballer, if you have any specific concerns within those, please flag them.
Samsmachado (
talk) 21:36, 1 May 2024 (UTC)reply
5X expansion reverted because the added content was copyright protected.
David notMD (
talk) 02:31, 28 April 2024 (UTC)reply
Presumably safe to reject the nom for now then?
Juxlos (
talk) 05:33, 28 April 2024 (UTC)reply
Article has still been 5x expanded; it just now has empty sections, and so can't run per
WP:DYKCOMPLETE. Suggest giving
FranGallego33 some time to fill the gaps in their own words.--Launchballer 09:02, 28 April 2024 (UTC)reply
Confirming that only part of what FrabGallego33 added was reverted for copyright infringement. My mistake.
David notMD (
talk) 09:09, 28 April 2024 (UTC)reply
New reviewer needed.
Z1720 (
talk) 15:48, 10 May 2024 (UTC)reply
Source:
From NME: "But it was a later trip to LA in early 2023 where Chinouriri’s anxieties began to amplify. Emerging musicians often take trips to LA for writing sessions; some fly out four or so times a year, but visit for no more than a fortnight. Chinouriri, who has a fear of flying, elected to stay for five."
ALT1: ... that with her debut album What a Devastating Turn of Events,
Rachel Chinouriri aimed to tackle the underrepresentation of Black female artists in the
indie scene? Source:
From NME: "Chinouriri wants to recreate the visual and sonic aesthetics of that era on her debut. The noughties represents a period of her life where she was eagerly learning about British pop culture icons such as Alexa Chung, Oasis, The Libertines. Taking inspiration from this era is Chinouriri’s way to reclaim her position in British society and the indie scene, where Black womanhood is routinely ignored and misrepresented."
ALT2: ... that
Rachel Chinouriri decided to include the
English flag on the cover art of What a Devastating Turn of Events in order to celebrate her
Black British identity? Source:
From The Guardian: "Chinouriri, however, decided to use the St George’s Cross as an act of reclamation. 'For Black people and POC, that flag’s not something people are proud of,' she says, adding that some people around her discouraged her from using it on her album cover. But on her single 'The Hills', Chinouriri sings about rediscovering her British identity after feeling lonely during a period spent in Los Angeles. 'No matter the trauma I’ve had from being raised in the UK, being Black British and being the only Black person in my neighbourhood, it’s made me the person who I am,' she says. 'There is a culture within being Black British that is distinct and strong, and harbours creativity.' Using the flag is 'a celebration – taking back this thing and saying: you can’t get rid of me'."
Comment: Thank you to
QuietHere and all the people who took a look at this article! The album will actually be released next Friday, so I don't have any specific request for the date of publication. I must address that I've "recycled" my QPQ submission from
a previous entry of mine that was rejected (due to my big mistake): is that still OK?
Comment: Not a review, but I find ALT0 nothingburgery, and ALT2 would be more interesting if it read "Black British identity".--Launchballer 09:14, 28 April 2024 (UTC)reply
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Launchballer: I agree on ALT2, so I've slightly edited it accordingly. Thanks for the feedback!
Oltrepier (
talk) 09:52, 28 April 2024 (UTC)reply
Interesting, well-sourced hooks that summarize the quotes well. Particularly, ALT1 and ALT 2 are the most interesting. This is my first review, so I'm not sure about the QPQ. Another review is needed.
Heidi Pusey BYU (
talk) 17:49, 10 May 2024 (UTC)reply
I'd be inclined to take Saturn as a QPQ, on the grounds that it hasn't been 'paid', i.e. 2024 NCAA Division I women's basketball championship game wasn't actually reviewed. The Professional ratings table interferes with the Track listing - any chance that section could be expanded?--Launchballer 18:00, 10 May 2024 (UTC)reply
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Launchballer and
Heidi Pusey BYU: Thank you for the feedback! Yes, that section is definitely too short at the moment, and I'll try to work on it as soon as possible.
Oltrepier (
talk) 09:47, 11 May 2024 (UTC)reply
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Launchballer: Done! This is the first time I edited an album article from scratch, so let me know if there's anything else I should fix!
Oltrepier (
talk) 12:04, 11 May 2024 (UTC)reply
... that Travis Clayton went from the eighth tier of English rugby league to being drafted into the National Football League, even though he never played in a football game?
Striking ALT1, as it does not contain the nominated article nor any reasonable place to link to it. You need a further 104 characters for this to become eligible.--Launchballer 15:16, 1 May 2024 (UTC)reply
Still needs another 42 characters. You should consider installing
WP:DYKcheck so you can check yourself.--Launchballer 17:05, 1 May 2024 (UTC)reply
Now added some stuff about the 2 types of ambilineal, which I may expand into there own sectrions at some point. Hows this now @
Launchballer: — Preceding
unsigned comment added by
Me Da Wikipedian (
talk •
contribs)
How are you remembering to put my username in your comments and not- anyway, length requirement met. Full review needed.--Launchballer 20:33, 1 May 2024 (UTC)reply
It won't be me any time soon, I have a policy of doing my QPQs oldest first. Any other editor is free to review this in the interim.--Launchballer 07:33, 2 May 2024 (UTC)reply
The book notes: "The Eagles acquired the structure, remodelled it as a theater/hall, and now present a "Days of 98" show every summer, Alaska's longest running show."
The book quotes from The Days of '98 Show co-scriptwriter Steve Hites on page 167: "At this moment, a blank is fired off stage, and a loud report of the gunshot in the closed space of the theater sounds like a cannon going off. People jump, scream and yell in surprise, then laugh self-consciously: it’s perfect theater. The Narrator smiles knowingly at the audience and continues. “. . . And sent poor Soapy home.”"
Article is solid, meets DYK length and newness requirements, looks to be neutral and free of copyvio. Hook is interesting, but I'm nervous about using "high school" when the source uses "varsity" – could he have played JV in high school also?
BeanieFan11? ezlev (
user/
tlk/
ctrbs) 04:03, 8 May 2024 (UTC)reply
I've fixed this for you, but this does need a QPQ.--Launchballer 22:48, 6 May 2024 (UTC)reply
This is not a review but rather a comment, but I have some concerns about the hook. American football isn't that popular internationally, meaning the hook as currently written might have a limited appeal especially if non-American readers are unfamiliar with gridiron positions. Per
WP:DYKHOOKSTYLE a more understandable hook may be needed here.
Narutolovehinata5 (
talk ·
contributions) 09:03, 8 May 2024 (UTC)reply
People don't need to know what the positions actually mean; it's very clear that he was moved around a lot. Those who understand the concept of sports positions will understand that much, and that it's not typical. Reviewer still needed.
BlueMoonset (
talk) 18:47, 8 May 2024 (UTC)reply
The article is new enough and long enough. It is properly sourced. Earwig detects some close paraphrasing with
this site, so that will need to be resolved before the nomination can be approved. QPQ pending. The hook itself is interesting, but it's a little on the long side and I wonder if it could be simplified to simply:
ALT0a ... that when Daniela Kerck directed Giacomo Puccini's Turandot in 2024, she played the opera unfinished as it was when Puccini died in 1924?
I included Puccini's full name in the hook as he may not be a composer that is known by name among most readers unlike say Mozart or Beethoven. Apart from the close paraphrasing, my main concern with the article right now is the wording of the hook supporting sentences.
She directed Puccini's Turandot in her sets for the 2024 Internationale Maifestspiele, conducted by Yoel Gamzou. She decided to use none of the three completions of Puccini's opera that was unfinished when he died in 1924. She identified the Prince with the composer. When he died in the end, the beginning of his Requiem was performed.
It's a bit confusing to get how the hook is connected to this excerpt, though I think the issue here is more about wording, so a copyedit to make the article or at least the passage flow better might solve the issue. Pinging
4meter4 for help in copyediting the article so that the passage would more clearly support the hook. As an aside, the reference supporting the hook needs to be after "when he died in 1924" rather than after the mention of the Requiem.
I would also like to ask 4meter4 how significant Kerck's directing of this particular performance is or how significant the Internationale Maifestspiele is in the world of opera, but this would not affect the nomination but rather is just a request for additional context.
Narutolovehinata5 (
talk ·
contributions) 09:31, 8 May 2024 (UTC)reply
Didn't you say you review my nominations only when they have lingered for weeks? Kindly read the article about the festival, - it was founded after the model of the Bayreuth Festival in the 19th century.
Anna Netrebko came to sing Turandot during the festival.
[15][16] - Puccini is probably better known than Mozart due to La bohéme. --
Gerda Arendt (
talk) 13:16, 8 May 2024 (UTC)reply
@
Narutolovehinata5 The
Internationale Maifestspiele is a respected and long standing opera festival that draws a sizable international crowd (typically around 20,000 people+). It is one of the more important opera festivals in Germany, although it isn't as famous as the
Bayreuth Festival which is on another level and is probably the most famous opera festival in the world. The Internationale Maifestspiele would be known by anyone who follows opera seriously in Europe, and would probably be immediately recognizable to most people living in Germany, Austria, Switzerland, and parts of France (the German speaking parts along the French/German border). I don't think the average person outside of those countries would find it immediately recognizable, but that shouldn't preclude using it in the hook. Turandot is a very famous opera, and even people only nominally familiar with opera would probably either know the name or recognize some of its music. Most people would know
Nessun dorma for example which has played in the soundtracks of many films and tv shows, and has been performed on numerous singing competition programs internationally.
4meter4 (
talk) 17:13, 8 May 2024 (UTC)reply
The hook fact is not accurate in either version of the hook. The opera was not played "unfinished" but ends with the death of Liu by design. There's a long discussion with the director at
https://www.staatstheater-wiesbaden.de/download/42624/hsw_ph_turandot_rz_digital_240404.pdf about the crafting of a new ending by Kerck. If one reads through the program they make an argument about why the opera should end with Liu's death, and how Kerck utilized notes and sketches by Puccini to rework a new ending that ends in that place. In other words, we shouldn't suggest that the opera just leaves off where Puccini stopped, because that isn't what this production did. Nor should we call it "unfinished" because it was given a re-worked ending designed by Kerck based on notes left by Puccini and incorporating portions of Puccini's 1905 Requiem. I also note that it is called a "new ending" in the Frankfurter Rundschau review that is cited.
I also have an issue with the original hook because it seems to say she was 'directing through scenic design' as opposed to staging the production. She staged it and she designed the sets and that isn't at all clear in the first hook. Lastly, the article currently fails the
WP:BLPSOURCES guideline because the biographical content is sourced to an opera company website that employs Kerck. @
Gerda Arendt this is a repeating problem. Stop using opera company and orchestra website artist bios to write articles. These are not independent sources, and our policies on BLPs require "high quality" (ie independent) sources. That's not negotiable.
Finally, the last two sentences of the article are very confusing to anybody not familiar with Turandot, and is obviously in error to those who are. The character of the prince (ie Calaf) needs to be explained. Further the text asserts the prince dies and is being conflated with Puccini's death, but Calaf doesn't die in the opera, Liu does. That whole bit seems confusing and to be in error. It doesn't really grasp what the sources are saying accurately. There needs to be plot context, and discussion of the autobiographical nature of Puccini's interaction with the characters from events in his life in order to make it understood what Kerck was actually doing with her original ending which places Liu and her death (not the prince who remains very much alive) at the climax of the opera. @
Narutolovehinata5 If it is alright with you I am going to take over this review because of the factual errors in an area I have some knowledge in.
4meter4 (
talk) 16:45, 8 May 2024 (UTC)reply
4meter4, thank you for clarifying festival and opera. - The hook: it took you several sentences to describe what she did (direct, design the stage, create a new ending with different music than usually ...), - could you kindly offer a wording in 200 chars, or help with it? I think we will have to mention that Puccini left the opera unfinished when he died in 1924 (the year needed because of the centenary), which leaves little room to say more, - I doubt that it's commonly known. How about saying that the performance leaves out the happy ending that he wasn't able to compose? Trying:
ALT2: ... that Daniela Kerck, scenic designer and stage director of Puccini's Turandot for the 2024
Internationale Maifestspiele, omitted the happy ending that the composer had not set to music when he died in 1924?
ALT2a: ... that Daniela Kerck, scenic designer and stage director of Turandot at the 2024
Internationale Maifestspiele, omitted the happy ending that Puccini had not composed when he died in 1924?
Other ideas welcome. - Which "biographical information" do you think is sourced to an opera company? - This is not yet a reply to the last paragraph, - we had an edit conflict, twice. --
Gerda Arendt (
talk) 20:05, 8 May 2024 (UTC)reply
After edit conflict: what I saw on stage was that after Liu's death, the Prince/Puccini moves to the grand piano, Turandot follows, kisses him, and he dies (called "Todeskuss" - kiss of death - in one of the reviews), - the new ending. --
Gerda Arendt (
talk) 20:11, 8 May 2024 (UTC)reply
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Gerda Arendt I think the tags I placed are self explanatory as to which sources are promotional non-independent sources. I'll take a look at the plot change leading to Calaf's death by looking through more sources. In reading the one interview with Kerck, she specifically emphasized Liu's death as her focus and pointedly named the Prince as complicit in her death through his silence. Regardless, it would seem killing off the prince at the end rather than having him end happily with Turandot would be a hooky fact. I think the emphasis of the hook should de-emphasize Puccini and focus more on Kerck and her original work. The hook language should not cram too many facts in, but should be a focused sentence on a single fact.
4meter4 (
talk) 21:42, 8 May 2024 (UTC)reply
I made some changes, adding sources, and dropping the details at the end that you found confusing. I added a newspaper ref for the nomination for the Opera Award. Only, it's subscription only, so I left the University ref for the same fact - that people can actually read - also. (I also don't see that what a university reports about an alumna is "promotional.") I need sleep, and tomorrow is a feast day. Patience please. --
Gerda Arendt (
talk) 21:57, 8 May 2024 (UTC)reply
@ Gerda, I was able to find more detail in this review which confirms the kiss of death
https://magazin.klassik.com/konzerte/reviews.cfm?TASK=review&PID=8178. I would suggest incorporating more detail into Kerck's article highlighting specific changes to the story between her ending and the other traditional endings. A good hook could read something like this: Alt3 ... that Daniela Kerck's new ending to Puccini's Turandot reenvisioned Turandot giving the prince the kiss of death rather than proclaiming her love?
4meter4 (
talk) 22:20, 8 May 2024 (UTC)reply
@
4meter4: I'm okay with you taking over the review, but given that Puccini isn't a household name and not everyone may know who he is, I'd suggest that any hook mentioning him give his full name. I'll leave it to another reviewer as to whether or not ALT3 is okay but personally I'm not a fan of it since it assumes knowledge of the opera, which not all readers may have. My preference would be more towards some variation of ALT2's hook fact as it seems less specialist.
Narutolovehinata5 (
talk ·
contributions) 02:59, 9 May 2024 (UTC)reply
@
Narutolovehinata5 I would consider Puccini a household name and a commonly known figure. He is a seminal composer in the western canon and one of the most performed and recorded composers of all time, on the same level as Mozart, Wagner, Verdi, Bach, etc. Indeed, he gets performed more frequently than Wagner,
placing third on the list of most performed composers, surpassing both Beethoven and Bach. I disagree that a full name is needed, or that Puccini could be considered in any way an obscure figure. His operas are ubiquitously performed globally and have been for over a century. According to opera base, in the year 2024 alone there are 681 different professional productions of his operas being staged around the world, and that includes companies in Asia, North and South America, Australia, Africa, and Europe. That doesn't include the many orchestras and concerts that are programing his music as well in 2024. There are very few composers so widely performed across the world, and over such a long period of time. I would think most of our readers would know who Puccini is, and if they don't, they would be the exception. His arias even get sung and recorded by pop and rock singers on occasion which is rare for an opera composer. For example "
Nessun dorma" from Turandot has been performed by
Adam Lambert,
Queen,
Jennifer Hudson,
Jeff Beck,
Josh Groban,
Manowar, and
Michael Bolton among many other non-opera singers.
4meter4 (
talk) 03:35, 9 May 2024 (UTC)reply
4meter4, thank you for taking the time! I'm off for the day but reading this when just checking the watch list made the day even better. Recommended listening
[17], enjoy! --
Gerda Arendt (
talk) 07:33, 9 May 2024 (UTC)reply
You of all people might have known that after returning from a good weekend trip, I first had to deal with the
RD article of the day, and then with sourcing
M. H.. I am not done (or am I, please check?), and before supplying a qpq, I'll have to source Kerck to your and 4meter4's liking, or not. What an opera company writes about its member is thought to be "promotional". Interesting. What I see is a list of roles. --
Gerda Arendt (
talk) 15:36, 13 May 2024 (UTC)reply
Yes,
Gerda Arendt. All work products/publications by a performing arts organization are intended as a tool of promotion as well as a tool for information. Opera companies/theatres are businesses and they have an invested interest in promoting their company/theatre and its performers in order to sell tickets. There is a commercial aspect to the performing arts, and the materials that an opera company/theatre produces for public consumption are directly connected to its commercial interests. This is why we should avoid using sources produced by theatres/opera companies as much as possible. Artist bios are written by talent management and PR companies. Most professional singers have a paid talent agent who specializes in marketing opera singers, and those agents often write the bios hosted on theatre/opera company websites. Or the opera company/theatre itself will have an in house PR/marketing staff member responsible for writing those materials. There is therefore, a direct COI with these kinds of sources because they are written as a marketing tool for commercial gain. When possible, its best not to use PR materials of this type for ethical reasons.
4meter4 (
talk) 15:53, 13 May 2024 (UTC)reply
I don't know what you normally read, but I see that Oper Frankfurt and Hessisches Staatstheater write their own bios, and their own high-class program books. - German opera houses in general are public institutions, financed mostly by tax money. --
Gerda Arendt (
talk) 16:04, 13 May 2024 (UTC)reply
Gerda, it's not a completely publicly funded institution. They sell tickets and market their organization. End of story. The fact that they are writing their own content makes it
WP:SELFPUBLISHED in addition to having a financial COI. We shouldn't be using materials like this other than in an external link for ethical reasons.
4meter4 (
talk) 17:05, 13 May 2024 (UTC)reply
@
GobsPint: - The weight fraud articles has been tagged by @
Lovkal:. This needs to be resolved. --
evrik(
talk) 19:30, 8 May 2024 (UTC)reply
Article all looks good to me: long enough, new enough, citations look good, and no plagiarism found. However, this hook doesn't sound quite grammatically correct to me. How about: ... that putting pre-moistened meat diapers in case-ready meat is a form of weight fraud?Luiysia (
talk) 17:02, 10 May 2024 (UTC)reply
Case-ready is jargon. Can it be replaced by pre-packaged?
—Femke 🐦 (
talk) 08:44, 11 May 2024 (UTC)reply
Comment: Could potentially be listed on 4 May (the anniversary of the contest) or 11 May (the date of the
2024 contest) if timescales for review are met
Song titles ignore stylisations per
MOS:TITLECAPS; for the hook, the song should be rendered "C U in da Ballpit". I'll leave it to you to update the article and the hook (most likely ALT0, as opinions can change).--Launchballer 14:56, 29 April 2024 (UTC)reply
@
Launchballer: I've made the fixes as requested. I also think ALT0 is the better of the two.
ThaesOfereode (
talk) 16:15, 29 April 2024 (UTC)reply
Love the hook, article is long enough, qualified at time of nomination, no copyvio concerns, adequate sourcing. Looks like the QPQ is still pending.
Spaghettifier (
talk) 21:02, 10 May 2024 (UTC)reply
@
AirshipJungleman29: I'm aware that QPQs are needed. I've been kind of overloaded recently but I should be able to get some done today (recently I wrote around 25 articles in just over a week, which drained most of my time).
BeanieFan11 (
talk) 15:25, 13 May 2024 (UTC)reply
... that cats are taken in procession around villages and splashed with water as part of a rain-making ritual at the end of the dry season in Cambodia and Thailand?
... that Claude Hamilton Verity, grandson of
Doncaster mayor Charles Verity, was one of the earlier pioneers of synchronisation of sound with silent films (advertisement pictured)?
ALT1: ... that
navvyCharles Verity, who became a wealthy contractor and mayor of
Doncaster, was grandfather of Claude Hamilton Verity an early inventor of synchronous sound with silent films (advertisement pictured)? Source: As above for being grandfather of the inventor. For the rise of Charles Verity, see
The Doncaster Review, November 1896
QPQ: - Not done Overall: Article reached Good Article status within 7 days of nomination. Article has no problems with prose, sourcing, and neutrality. The hook is good. Nominator just needs to do a QPQ and it'll all be set.
lullabying (
talk) 02:54, 5 May 2024 (UTC)reply
@
PSA: Please provide a QPQ or this nomination may be rejected.
Z1720 (
talk) 15:26, 10 May 2024 (UTC)reply
I'd like to see a more internationally appealing hook than the current one because the hook to me isn't exactly impressive or eye-catching (it basically says that Soberano played a role, which is her job).
Narutolovehinata5 (
talk ·
contributions) 09:08, 8 May 2024 (UTC)reply
... that Indonesian politician Sanusi's parents discouraged him from becoming a government employee citing government duties on alcohol and prostitutes? Source:
[18]: "Saat mau diangkat menjadi Pegawai Negeri Sipil (PNS), Sanusi sempat dilarang orang tuanya dan kyainya. Alasannya, gaji PNS itu hukumnya syubhat. Yakni istilah di dalam Islam menyatakan tentang keadaan yang samar tentang kehalalan atau keharaman dari sesuatu yang diterimanya. 'Menurut orang tua saya dan kyai saya, gaji PNS yang bersumber dari APBD bercampur uang halal dan haram. Kyai saya dalam perspek hukum Islam bahwa uang yang di dalam APBD itu, bercampur uang restribusi dari minuman keras (miras) dan lokalisasi porstitusi atau wanita pekerja seks (WPS), sedangkan uang yang halal yakni dari pajak."
Article length is fine (2823 chars), age is good (created 30 April), no copyvio or plagiarism concerns (image is PD), reasonable sources are used (my Indonesian is tak baik but at least I recognize most of the newspapers etc). The red link for
Rendra Kresna in the lead is not great, but I don't believe there's a strict DYK policy against this. However, the proposed hook is unclear as written, since the English word "duties" can mean both taxes (pajak) or responsibility (tugas). How about "...parents discouraged him from becoming a government employee, because his salary would be paid partly from taxes on alcohol and prostitution?" (And changing the line in the article as well.)
Jpatokal (
talk) 05:23, 13 May 2024 (UTC)reply
The spoked wheel on the front alters the weight distribution between road and rail wheels
... that early locomotives using the Larmanjat guided rail system had an extra operator at the front (pictured) to adjust the weight distribution between the road wheels and the rail wheels?
Source:
[19], page 100: The mechanic may alter the proportion of the adhesion between the wheels on the rail and the wheels on the road (original in French).
ALT1: ... that in 1873 the Larmanjat guided rail system was successfully demonstrated at
Buckhurst Hill, England, but the system failed completely when used commercially in
Lisbon? Source: The Times 31 December 1872 page 4: A section of line on the proposed system had been laid down at Buckhurst Hill and an engine and rolling stock worked over it in the most satisfactory manner. But:
[20] page 575: Law report from Court of Chancery, London, that the company formed for the Lisbon tramways had completely failed in its undertaking.
ALT2: ... that on the locomotives using the Larmanjat guided rail system the driving wheels were loose on the axle and the tractive force was transferred through wound-up springs? Source:
[21]Engineering (magazine) 20 May 1870 page 354: "The driving wheels are not connected rigidly to the axle but are connected with it by spiral springs."
... that the destruction of the Richmond Theatre by fire in 1811 (pictured) has been described as "early America's first great disaster"?
Source: Baker, Meredith Henne (2012). The Richmond Theater Fire: Early America's First Great Disaster.
LSU Press.
ISBN9780807143742. Hook fact is in the book's title
Interesting substantial article on four theatres (theaters?) and the life on their stages, on fine sources, no copyvio obvious. The image is licensed and a good illustration. I will approve the hook if you want, but beg you to consider that we had a similar one for the separate article on that fire, in 2010. I found interesting that three of the four buildings burnt down, which would also include that the name doesn't mean only one. Suggestions for the article (not needed for approval), and actually for any article: mark upright images "upright", have images right unless a face looks to the right, add an infobox. --
Gerda Arendt (
talk) 23:28, 13 May 2024 (UTC)reply
Source:
USA Today - "From Larry Bird to Paul Pierce to Kevin Garnett to Jayson Tatum − and everyone in between − the one constant over the past 43 years for the team was play-by-play announcer Mike Gorman."
Overall: The article pre-expansion was 1,418 bytes, which means that the expansion needs to exceed 7,090 bytes. As of now, it seems that it is approximately ~6,400 bytes. Can anything else be added to the article, @
Aria1561:?
BeanieFan11 (
talk) 02:39, 11 May 2024 (UTC)reply
@
BeanieFan11: Based on what
WP:DYKLEN says, only the prose size is considered when determining DYK eligibility, not article byte size or total character length including the lead. The prose size prior to expansion was 1,028 characters and currently the prose size stands at 5,363 characters based on a manual calculation, which is over five times the pre-expansion size.
Aria1561 (
talk) 02:53, 11 May 2024 (UTC)reply
The Lycus valley at the Theodosian walls looking north
... that on 29 May 1453 the Ottomans penetrated
Constantinople from the Lycus valley (pictured)?
Source: This part of the walls is the most vulnerable...since here the fortifications descend in the valley of the Lycus...it was this section of the wall that was finally breached...on the morning of 29 May 1453. Freely (1991), p. 279
Overall: Article reached Good Article status within 7 days of nomination. QPQ is done. Image licensing is fine. The references look reliable and basic facts can be verified online, though I wish a more typical referencing format was used. I do recommend that the nominator adds some online, English-language references to complement the books and the two Turkish online sources used in the article.
The hook is cited within the article, although it is a little difficult to find - if it is the most important historical fact about this river, then it should be mentioned in the lead and preferably described as a sub-section, rather than mentioned in a single line by the end. For the hook itself, I think that the date isn't so important, and the strategic aspect should be emphasized more. Suggested wording: ... that weak defences around the Lycus valley played a pivotal role in the
Fall of Constantinople?InformationToKnowledge (
talk) 23:28, 10 May 2024 (UTC)reply
... that Peter Demetz, born in Prague where he was persecuted under the Nazis and escaped the Communist regime in 1949, taught German literature at
Yale University from 1956 to 1991? Source: several
... that Peewee Jarrett went from having no offers to play
college football, a two-year span with no playing time, and being "set on quitting football", to signing into the National Football League?
Source: Eshel, Hanan; Zissu, Boaz (2019). "The Refuge Caves". The Bar Kokhba Revolt: The Archaeological Evidence. Jerusalem: Yad Izhak Ben-Zvi. pp. 62–64. ISBN 978-965-217-429-1
ALT1: ... that over 30 refuge caves, where Jewish families sought shelter from the Roman army during the
Bar Kokhba revolt, were discovered in the
Judaean Desert? Source: Eshel, Hanan; Zissu, Boaz (2019). "The Refuge Caves". The Bar Kokhba Revolt: The Archaeological Evidence. Jerusalem: Yad Izhak Ben-Zvi. pp. 62–64. ISBN 978-965-217-429-1
No problem, I probably won’t be able to have the QPQ finished for a bit anyways.
B3251 (
talk) 09:42, 2 May 2024 (UTC)reply
Long enough, new enough, very well cited - not surprising given it's on the national news every day. QPQ and it's good to go.
Maury Markowitz (
talk) 15:37, 2 May 2024 (UTC)reply
@
Maury Markowitz: QPQ added, it's been getting absolutely ripped to shreds in ITN noms so I'm not sure if I need to wait for it to be closed or not, but it is not being promoted there lol. Thanks for the review,
B3251 (
talk) 16:16, 2 May 2024 (UTC)reply
@
B3251: It can’t be promoted at the present state it’s still technically pending nomination to appear as a bold link on the main page. I think the best course of action for you if you believe that the ITN nom is totally hopeless is to withdraw the ITN nom and just focus on DYK instead, unless you want to bet on the extremely low chance that the consensus at ITN somehow drastically changes. Scientia potentia est, MonarchOfTerror 16:56, 2 May 2024 (UTC)reply
@
B3251: You do it by just closing the discussion as normal, just put withdrawn in the result parameter. However it seems that the nomination has already been closed by another editor, so there’s no need to do that now. The DYK can be promoted now. Scientia potentia est, MonarchOfTerror 17:27, 2 May 2024 (UTC)reply
@
MonarchOfTerror: Thanks, but it seems that it was already closed. The editor who closed it also setup an AfD, so I'm not totally sure how this DYK can go.
B3251 (
talk) 17:29, 2 May 2024 (UTC)reply
@
B3251: I did not see the AfD nomination. So it looks like this DYK nom has to go on hold regardless, since we have to wait for the AfD to end first since articles nominated for AfD/merging can’t be promoted. Scientia potentia est, MonarchOfTerror 17:32, 2 May 2024 (UTC)reply
Comment: QPQ to come soon; hoping
WP:IAR can be applied for this nom. I think this can be a silly/quirky hook, so open to ALT hooks/phrasing as well to accentuate the quirkiness of it. Moved both pages to mainspace on May 4, so a few hours shy on the 7-day week limit. Just get busy offline and also on Wikipedia and lose track of the time tbh. Sorry about that.
Soulbust (
talk) 01:51, 12 May 2024 (UTC)reply
Moved to mainspace by
Soulbust (
talk).
Number of QPQs required: 2. Nominator has 35 past nominations.
... that in 2024, C. J. Hanson became the first player from his school to be chosen in the
NFL draft since 1989, and the team that chose him also chose the previous player?
Source:
Kansas City Star ("He’s the first player from Holy Cross selected in the NFL Draft since the Chiefs selected linebacker Rob McGovern in 1989")
Not interesting and a coatrack, since Huasun is surely not the person who made these decisions. (
t ·
c) buidhe 00:07, 7 May 2024 (UTC)reply
@
Buidhe: As Qin represented his country in the UNSC, he made the decision based on his country's political position. However, prior to 2011, China's vetoes in the UNSC were rare and only four times
[22] were it used prior to the start of the 21st century. Since the mentioned vetoes were related to sending peacekeeping troops, it might be interesting as the users would look into the article to see why the peacekeeping resolutions were vetoed. However, if you any ideas for another hook in the article or if I should modify it in a certain phrasing, I am happy to consider that. -
Toadboy123 (
talk) 09:12, 7 May 2024 (UTC).reply
Yes, I know how the UN works. Certainly the hook phrasing makes it sound like a coatrack. Frankly not all articles are suited for DYK and this one may not be. Peacekeeping is not inherently dull but UN resolutions can be, especially if there is no real information what the vote is really about. Furthermore, the article as it stands does not qualify due to sourcing. (
t ·
c) buidhe 13:23, 7 May 2024 (UTC)reply
@
Buidhe: Is there anything that I should do to improve the article such as adding more reliable sources or expanding the information regarding the reasons of the vetoed resolutions so that the article can be featured in DYK ? Or does the article does not have the information much needed for the DYK? I can improve the article based on your suggestions but if you feel there is no room for it in DYK then you can cancel this nomination. -
Toadboy123 (
talk) 02:26, 7 May 2024 (UTC).reply
@
Buidhe: I have added detailed information on the vetoed UN resolutions. Let me know if anything more has to be done. -
Toadboy123 (
talk) 06:56, 8 May 2024 (UTC).reply
Since I have not heard any response from the previous reviewer, can a new reviewer check the updates to the hook I made and if it is good to go? -
Toadboy123 (
talk) 03:59, 15 May 2024 (UTC).reply
Source: Several examples in the article, including Coughlin, No More Jellyfish (2008), p. 101: "Many believers were given what's called worm theology. The name comes from the Isaac Watts hymn "Alas! And Did My Saviour Bleed," one line of which says, "Would He devote that sacred head for such a worm as I?"
Reviewed:
Created by
Mystery Merrivale (
talk).
Number of QPQs required: 0. Nominator has less than 5 past nominations.
... that the El-Jai cave in the
Judaean Desert, located in the modern-day
West Bank, was used by Jewish refugees escaping the Roman army circa 135 CE? Source: Eshel, H. (2003). Documents of the First Jewish Revolt from the Judean desert. In The First Jewish Revolt: Archaeology, History, and Ideology. Routledge. p. 158
ALT1: ... that a hoard discovered in the El-Jai cave contained both
Bar Kokhba and
Aelia Capitolina coins, suggesting that the city was founded and had begun minting coins before the
Bar Kokhba revolt erupted? Source: Hofman, Miriam Ben Zeev (2019). "Eusebius and Hadrian's Founding of Aelia Capitolina in Jerusalem". Electrum. 26: 120. doi:10.4467/20800909el.19.007.11210. ISSN 1897-3426.
Source:
Immediate source and
the primary source linked in that article: "The story takes place in Steam Bison, America. There, the power of highly advanced steam engines has ushered in a new world, greatly surpassing even London’s technological development."
If that hook isn't suitable, I'm not sure what else would make for a good hook in the article.
Suntooooth, it/he (
talk/
contribs) 19:51, 5 May 2024 (UTC)reply
ALT1 won't work either, because hooks must not be likely to change, and 'will' will date.--Launchballer 23:18, 5 May 2024 (UTC)reply
@
Launchballer: The game isn't releasing until 2025 and no main entries are planned to release before it, so I don't see how this is an issue - if this hook is promoted, it'll definitely be before 2025. I've seen other hooks use "will" for something that'll be happening in the future, but not within the time it takes for the DYK process to complete.
Suntooooth, it/he (
talk/
contribs) 23:24, 5 May 2024 (UTC)reply
really says everything that has to be said, in less space.
RoySmith(talk) 13:27, 14 May 2024 (UTC)reply
I think that it is unusual-and it is very unusual-is the hooky bit. It's a short hook anyway.
Johnbod (
talk) 14:25, 14 May 2024 (UTC)reply
The point of a hook is to be short and sweet, and leave just a little mystery, enticing the reader to click through to the article. There's no need to tell people this is a religious subject, that's obvious from the title of the painting. And there's no need to tell them it's unusual, the fact that there's a dog speaks for that itself.
RoySmith(talk) 15:16, 14 May 2024 (UTC)reply
Dubious - gaming/superhero culture is chock full of angels with no religious context at all, & I'm sure vast numbers of our readers have no opinion at all on the frequency with which dogs appear in Christian religious art.
Johnbod (
talk) 15:36, 14 May 2024 (UTC)reply
Animal stereotypes of Jews in Palestinian discourse
This proposal is simply outrageous and Wikipedia should not stoop so low as to advertise this sort of thing. Regarding the requirement of "well-sourced and neutral", the article is under serious dispute over its neutrality.
Zerotalk 13:04, 13 May 2024 (UTC)reply
1. Not a serious dispute, and it will be resolved long before the reviewers will get to this DYK suggestion weeks from now.
2. Wikipedia "stooped so low" as to publish this in DYK on March 28:"... that Aaron Bushnell said that his action of setting himself on fire was less extreme than "what people have been experiencing in Palestine at the hands of their colonizers". What's the difference?
Vegan416 (
talk) 15:08, 13 May 2024 (UTC)reply
1. On the contrary, the dispute is deep and serious, making the article unstable. It definitely will not be allowed to remain in its present state. 2. While I would not have submitted the Bushnell proposal, the fact that Vegan can't see the difference between a political statement and hatred of an ethnic group is telling.
Zerotalk 08:43, 14 May 2024 (UTC)reply
Not at all. The dispute is only about how to present the background. There is no dispute about the truth of the core facts presented in the article. And unless people would try to destabilize the article nefariously to disrupt the DYK process, it would naturally stabilize long before it reaches the DYK reviewers a few weeks from now. And Zero still hasn't explained what is "outrageous" here. This is a true fact. Why should it be censored?
Vegan416 (
talk) 09:58, 14 May 2024 (UTC)reply
... that one reviewer said that the VR real-time strategy game Homeworld: Vast Reaches is an "unsatisfying lite" version of
the series?
Source: "Homeworld: Vast Reaches is less a virtual reality reinvention of this legendary space RTS than it is an unsatisfying lite version for the Meta Quest 2 and 3."
[23]
ALT1: ... that the
mixed reality mode in the
real-time strategy virtual reality game Homeworld: Vast Reaches allows virtual ships to fly around the player's room? Source: "I was impressed by the unexpected ease of playing the game, but I wasn’t blown away until we switched over to Mixed Reality. In Passthrough Mode on the Quest 3, the blackness of outer space disappears, replaced with the real-life environment you’re physically in. Suddenly, the hotel room where I demoed the game became the setting of a thrilling dogfight. A bomber swooped in front of the TV set while enemy ships soared over the bed. It was quite a sight, but it was also very confusing."
[24]
Comment: Prefer ALT1, but it's tough to make it work with
WP:DYKFICTION – I've attempted to thread the needle here. If I need more ALTs, happy to pull them.
evrik, I don't think either hook is a good April Fools' candidate. I'm not sure I'd even use either as quirky.
BlueMoonset (
talk) 20:05, 8 May 2024 (UTC)reply
Better. Full review needed.--Launchballer 14:05, 7 May 2024 (UTC)reply
evrik, I do not have full access to El Pais. Can you recheck the second paragraph of Background, the one on San Sebastián, to make sure that text is supported? Either way, I suggest adding more details from El Pais. The detail will help the article and provide good hooks. Sparks flying 1.5m from 30 running metal fire bulls; that's a hook.
CMD (
talk) 14:57, 11 May 2024 (UTC)reply
CMD, I put the
text here. The point may be moot as that section just got reorganized when I fixed the links. "
Sparks flying 1.5 meters (4 ft 11 in) from 30 running metal
fire bulls" - I'm thinking about it. --
evrik(
talk) 16:17, 11 May 2024 (UTC)reply
^Shaw, R., Y. Luo, T. S. Cheong, S. Abdul Halim, S. Chaturvedi, M. Hashizume, G. E. Insarov, Y. Ishikawa, M. Jafari, A. Kitoh, J. Pulhin, C. Singh, K. Vasant, and Z. Zhang, 2022:
Chapter 10: Asia. In
Climate Change 2022: Impacts, Adaptation and Vulnerability [H.-O. Pörtner, D. C. Roberts, M. Tignor, E. S. Poloczanska, K. Mintenbeck, A. Alegría, M. Craig, S. Langsdorf, S. Löschke, V. Möller, A. Okem, B. Rama (eds.)]. Cambridge University Press, Cambridge, United Kingdom and New York, New York, US, pp. 1457–1579 |doi=10.1017/9781009325844.012.
Source: Cheney, Edna Dow (2010). Louisa May Alcott: Her Life, Letters, and Journals. Carlisle, Massachussetts, USA: Applewood Books. ISBN 978-1-4290-4460-8. “Went for some weeks to the Bellevue, and wrote ‘A Modern Mephistopheles’ for the No Name Series. It has been simmering ever since I read Faust last year. Enjoyed doing it, being tired of providing moral pap for the young.” (Page 296)
Sanderson, Rena (1991). "A Modern Mephistopheles: Louisa May Alcott's Exorcism of Patriarchy". American Transcendental Quarterly. 5 (1): 41–55. ProQuest 1302638905. “After the book’s completion, Alcott commented in her journal that she ‘enjoyed doing it, being tired of providing moral pap for the young.’” (Page 41)
ALT1: ... that
Louisa May Alcott wrote A Modern Mephistopheles as part of an anonymous series in which readers were meant to guess the author? Source: Cheney, Edna Dow (2010). Louisa May Alcott: Her Life, Letters, and Journals. Carlisle, Massachussetts, USA: Applewood Books. ISBN 978-1-4290-4460-8. “‘A Modern Mephistopheles’ was written among the earlier volumes of the No Name Series, when the chief idea of the authors was to puzzle their readers by disguising their style as much as possible, that they might enjoy the guessing and criticism as each novel appeared. This book was very successful in preserving its incognito; and many persons still insist that it could not have been written by the author of ‘Little Women.’” (Cheney 379, quoting Louisa May Alcott)
... that according to second-century AD Greek rhetorician
Athenaeus, the
Phoenicians used a flute-like instrument called the gingras in their mourning rituals, that produced a shrill and mournful tone? Source:
Athenaeus, Deipnosophistae4.174
ALT2: ... that according to the second-century AD Greek rhetorician
Athenaeus, the
Phoenicians played a flute-like instrument known as the gingras, which produced a shrill and mournful tone? Source:
Athenaeus, Deipnosophistae4.174
Overall: An interesting article on a little-known ancient instrument. The date of creation, length and references are correct (AGF on offline sources), and the qpq has been done. The article relies heavily on primary sources, but these are only quoted, not interpreted, so that's good. We have a staggering 49% earwigs score, but this is due to the copied fragment. Anyway, I think that you should mention who is the translator of these fragments, before I declare the article plagiarism free. The phrase about "Athenian banquets" is repeated, one of the two occurrences should be paraphrased. The hook is cited, but is rather long, I think it should be shortened and - above all - the language should be made more fluid. Regarding the "surviving ancient snippets", I understand what you mean, but it should be better explained for the reader: adding some context would help. Cheers,
Alex2006 (
talk) 07:08, 9 May 2024 (UTC)reply
Hi @
Alessandro57: thanks for the review. I have added both translators and the date of publication of the Atheneus translations, and removed the redundancy you pointed out. i have also added two alternative hooks. I will also try to introduce the "snippets" section.
el.ziade (
talkallam) 10:12, 10 May 2024 (UTC)reply
Source: Анна Владимировна Сыченкова. Отечественная историография партии левых социалистов-революционеров (интернационалистов). Изд-во Казанский государственный технический университет, 2006. pp. 18-19
Source: Richie, D.; Midorikawa, Y. (2015).
The Inland Sea. Stone Bridge Press. p. 190.
ISBN978-1-61172-916-0. Retrieved 2024-05-12. "The old town of Mitarai lies at the eastern tip of the island of Osakishimojima [...] an entire teahouse, the Waka Ebisu-ya, the largest chaya in the Inland Sea, which in its time housed a hundred girls, where Hosokawa, the daimyo of Kumamoto, spent a thousand gold pieces in one night"
I'll take a look. Schwede66 23:13, 13 May 2024 (UTC)reply
Article is new and neutral. Earwig is clean. It's technically long enough at 1700 kB of prose, but it is marked with a stub tag and I consider that the correct assessment as it does feel stubby. DYK does not run stubs, though. The article uses bare URLs and that's not good enough for DYK. There are several unreferenced paragraphs and that's a showstopper. Hook fact is referenced, checks out, and is interesting. The photo is freely licensed but not overly interesting. Overall, this feels like a work in progress; it's nowhere near ready for DYK in its current state. Schwede66 23:33, 13 May 2024 (UTC)reply
Source: Lihl, Franz; Ettmayer, Peter; Kutzelnigg, Alfred (1962). "Beitrag zum System Mangan-Stickstoff" [Report on the manganese-nitrogen system]. Zeitschrift für Metallkunde (in German). 53 (11).
DeGruyter: 715.
doi:
10.1515/ijmr-1962-531104; also comparison between Prelinger, Otto (10 May 1894).
"Über Stickstoffverbindungen des Mangans" [On the nitrogen compounds of manganese] (PDF). Monatshefte für Chemie und verwandte Teile anderer Wissenschaften (in German): 391–401 and Mekata Mamoru; Haruna Junsuke; Takaki Hideo (July 1968) [29 Jan 1968]. "Neutron diffraction study of antiferromagnetic Mn2N". Journal of the Physical Society of Japan. 23 (1): 234–238.
doi:
10.1143/JPSJ.25.234.
ALT1: ... that no binary manganese nitride salts are known with manganese oxidized past +3, but the stablest nitridomanganate ion is a manganese(V) derivative? Source: Niewa, R. (2002) [21 Aug 2001]. "Nitridocompounds of manganese". Z. Kristallogr. 217. Munich: Oldenbourg Wissenschaftsverlag: 8–23.
doi:
10.1524/zkri.217.1.8.20801.
ALT2: ... that many manganese nitride compounds are known, but only one is a
ferromagnet? Source: Gokcen, N. A. (1990). "The Mn-N (manganese-nitrogen) system". Bulletin of Alloy Phase Diagrams. 11 (1): 33–42.
doi:
10.1007/bf02841582.
Comment: This is quite a dense article, so I thank the reviewer in advance for their time and hard work in reading through it! I want to reiterate, as I had for
Ryoko Kui's nomination, for any admin comes across this, I still haven't received
the 25 DYK Creation and Expansion Medal yet, at 28 hooks, so if anyone can go through with it, it would be greatly appreciated!
Created by
Ornithoptera (
talk).
Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 31 past nominations.
Overall: The article is well-written and well-sourced. Just two small recommendations: I think Puella Magi Madoka Magica and Cardcaptor Sakura can be mentioned in the hook to make it more interesting, but that's up to you. If you want to retain the current hook, then I think the term "magical girl anime" should be linked. Also, I noticed that Paper Mag was linked in one of the sources, but the other websites in the sources were left in black. It may be worth considering consistency by either linking all the websites or not linking them at all. Prince of Erebor(
The Book of Mazarbul) 11:08, 14 May 2024 (UTC)reply
I thoroughly enjoyed reading this article, although not quite enough to violate my policy of doing my QPQs oldest first. I will say that this article is being edited a lot and is probably not stable. For now, I recommend ALT0a: ... that
McDonald's Vietnam was
boycotted after appropriating a slogan by a recently deceased Chinese gamer?--Launchballer 15:47, 10 May 2024 (UTC)reply
ALT1: ...that a Chinese gamer named Fat Cat tragically died by suicide after transferring a large sum of money to his girlfriend, who wished to end their relationship? — Preceding
unsigned comment added by
TheGreatPeng (
talk •
contribs)
I'd lose 'tragically' for concision, but I'll let a reviewer make that choice. Full review needed.--Launchballer 18:38, 10 May 2024 (UTC)reply
ALT2: ...that when people ordered fast food
takeout to commemorate
Fat Cat's suicide, multiple restaurants didn't bother to include food in the deliveries? (assuming this is supported by Ma, Diming. He, Ruiming (ed.).
"祭奠"胖猫"反映世道人心,但外卖真的可以不送了" [Memorial to 'Fat Cat' Reflects the People' Will, But Takeout Really Should be Stopped]. The Beijing News (in Simplified Chinese). Retrieved 8 May 2024 and Zhu, Yuanxiang (4 May 2024).
"祭奠"胖猫"的外卖出现空包或注水,五家餐饮连锁品牌致歉" [Five Restaurant Chains Apologize for Empty or Watered-down Takeaways in Memory of 'Fat Cat']. The Paper (in Simplified Chinese). Retrieved 8 May 2024)
Bernanke's Crossbow (
talk) 23:49, 10 May 2024 (UTC)reply
Hooks must not contain redirects or contractions, although to be fair that's probably not far off the hook I would have suggested. For concision, I suggest ALT2a: ... that when people ordered fast food
take-out to commemorate
Fat Cat's suicide, multiple restaurants delivered empty packages?--Launchballer 08:20, 11 May 2024 (UTC)reply
I just want to point out that the linked source says "almost broke the internet", which is an important qualifier; other sources in the article such as
[25][26] say simply "broke the internet", so perhaps one of them should be used for this hook reference.
Ligaturama (
talk) 08:00, 12 May 2024 (UTC)reply
... that birds have greater species richness than mammals, while they are relatively more uniform in morphology?
Source: Minelli, Alessandro (2019). Biodiversity, disparity and evolvability: "In terms of species number, birds are more diverse than mammals (some 10,000 vs. ca. 5600 extant species worldwide), but are instead quite more uniform in terms of morphology, reproductive biology and developmental schedules."
Reviewed: I have less than 5 past nominations.
Moved to mainspace by
Interaccoonale (
talk).
Number of QPQs required: 0. Nominator has less than 5 past nominations.
Comment: I haven't found a strict criterion so far that dictates that the nominator should be the creator of the article, but if I'm wrong, please let me know.
Converted from a redirect by
Floppykart (
talk) (nominated by
Pollosito (
talk)).
Number of QPQs required: 0. Nominator has less than 5 past nominations.
Not a review, more for your information than anything else. There is no criterion that says the nominator should be the creator, but if you're asserting that it meets all DYK criteria, then it's on you to make sure that it does.--Launchballer 20:51, 14 May 2024 (UTC)reply
It's not immediately obvious what you're talking about, and you should make it clear where this "Davidson County" place is for people who won't realize it's in North Carolina, USA. So ...
I also wonder if you were able to find any explanation for this in your research. I think it's been noted elsewhere as the only significant place in the US with LHT. And maybe we should put that in the intro.
Daniel Case (
talk) 05:17, 14 May 2024 (UTC)reply
Hmmm... I suppose that works. I'm just a little unsure about what hook exactly to choose. Yeah, I'll probably place it in the intro.
NoobThreePointOh (
talk) 09:12, 14 May 2024 (UTC)reply
ALT1: ... that breast cancer patients became a primary patient population for nurse navigation after Lillie Shockney reported the impact of the program at Johns Hopkins Hospital? Source:
https://www.myamericannurse.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/12/an12-Oncology-Navigtion-1201.pdf "Breast cancer navigation became a primary patient population focus of nurse navigation when Lillie Shockney, MAS, BS, RN, publicized her success at the Johns Hopkins Hospital in Baltimore, Maryland, where she helped increase appointment completions, improve timeliness of care, and expedite chemotherapy start time by 2 weeks."
ALT1: ... that the Vinland Saga anime series took liberties from the manga to properly show Thorfinn's transformation into a Viking as new scenes were added? Source: [2]
ALT2: ... that for the second season of Vinland Saga there was a proper attempt to humanize the slave Thorfinn in contrast to the benevolent owner Ketil who becomes more violent the more he appears? Source: [3]
Reviewed:
Created by
Tintor2 (
talk).
Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 18 past nominations.
ALT1: ... that in high school, lacrosse player Caitlyn Wurzburger(pictured) tallied more than 100 goals and 100 assists in four different seasons? Source: Sports Illustrated (e.g.), and individual years cited
ALT2: ... that Herschel was actually a series of sea lions in the 1980s and 1990s? Source: Gammon, Katharine. "Herschel, the Very Hungry Sea Lion". Hakai Magazine
Comment: I use
Chuck Norris facts in ALT0 as my quirky way of telling readers that he plays a hero in the film, while ALT1 is merely a word-for-word hook derived from the THR source's title indicating that all three principal actors have joined the cast
Created by
Nineteen Ninety-Four guy (
talk).
Number of QPQs required: 0. Nominator has less than 5 past nominations.
Reviewing... (I haven't heard a Chuck Norris meme in years) ~~
lol1VNIO (I made a mistake? talk to me) 17:29, 14 May 2024 (UTC)reply
Passed criteria: The article is new enough, long enough, not affected by DYK-eligibility problems, verifiable and NOR, copyvio-free with correctly attributed quotes. The hook is cited to RS, interesting, concise.
Remarks, @
Nineteen Ninety-Four guy: (1) I think the Premise section should be rewritten to not give undue weight to THR. (2) William Strong did not directly tell THR of the biohazard threads but rather told Mier who forwarded the story. (3) This might be a language issue from my part, but should the hook not be
as in the movie cannot flee/escape from Chuck Norris? Also, I removed the link to the
Chuck Norris facts article to add a little IYKYK. You are welcome to retain the original link. Best wishes, ~~
lol1VNIO (I made a mistake? talk to me) 18:15, 14 May 2024 (UTC); 18:34, 14 May 2024 (UTC)reply
@
Lol1VNIO: Thanks for taking this review. Your concerns have been addressed. I also welcome your minor revision on ALT0, which is more clear than the previous version, tho I think the decision whether to include that Norris fact wikilink is probably best left for a DYK prepper to decide.
Nineteen Ninety-Four guy (
talk) 21:45, 14 May 2024 (UTC)reply
Source: Kirwan, Guy M. (2021-08-18). Billerman, Shawn M.; Keeney, Brooke K.; Rodewald, Paul G.; Schulenberg, Thomas S. (eds.). "Satin Berrypecker (Melanocharis citreola)". Birds of the World. Cornell Lab of Ornithology. doi:10.2173/bow.satber1.01.
ALT1: ... that although specimens of the satin berrypecker(male pictured) were first collected in 2014, the species may have been observed as early as 1983? Source: Kirwan, Guy M. (2021-08-18). Billerman, Shawn M.; Keeney, Brooke K.; Rodewald, Paul G.; Schulenberg, Thomas S. (eds.). "Satin Berrypecker (Melanocharis citreola)". Birds of the World. Cornell Lab of Ornithology. doi:10.2173/bow.satber1.01.
ALT2: ... that the satin berrypecker(male pictured) is only the second species of bird to be described from New Guinea in the last 80 years? Source: Kirwan, Guy M. (2021-08-18). Billerman, Shawn M.; Keeney, Brooke K.; Rodewald, Paul G.; Schulenberg, Thomas S. (eds.). "Satin Berrypecker (Melanocharis citreola)". Birds of the World. Cornell Lab of Ornithology. doi:10.2173/bow.satber1.01.
... that the Armenian Radio jokes are neither about radio nor are they Armenian? Source: Draitser, Emil (1998). Taking penguins to the movies: ethnic humor in Russia. Humor in life and letters series. Detroit: Wayne State University Press. p. 21. ISBN 978-0-8143-2327-4.
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If this DYK is approved, readers will be enticed to learn about how the royal families of Europe are biological relatives to a closer extent than some may think!
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Article moved from Draft:Descendants of Christian IX of Denmark on March 14, 2024
Article has not been expanded 5x since it was created
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@
AndrewPeterT: Well done for nominating this article, a topic that is of great interest to me. The hook I prefer is ALT0. As you'd know, there are a few criteria for DYK:
This article was moved into the mainspace on 14 March and nominated on 18 March. Therefore, it is new enough.
My immediate primary concern for this article was the overwhelming amount of tables in its use. However, good use of background information for each child ensures that there are around 6800-6900 characters of original prose. This makes the article long enough.
These hooks, of which I prefer ALT0, are adequately sources, so there do exist cited hooks.
As you have less than five DYK nominations, there is no quid pro quo required.
Finally, the article's prose is well cited. Information within some tables, however, is not. Though it is clear that effort has been made to source information in some tables, some tables lack sourcing entirely. I am not too concerned with lack of sources for their birth and death dates as that can be found on their respective articles, but it is moreso their children. For example, three of
Princess Alexandra of Hanover and Cumberland's children lack sources.
The article has good spelling and grammar. There are a few fixes that could be made:
"would go on to have" ➜ "had"
"would go on to fight" ➜ "fought"
"would go on long sea voyages..." ➜ "went on long sea voyages..."
"Also, Alexandra and Edward's eldest..." ➜ "Additionally [or Furthermore, Moreover, etc.], Alexandra and Edward's eldest..."
After addressing him, he no longer needs to be repeatedly called "George I", he can just be called "George". Same goes for anyone else with ordinals. If it is a new paragraph, feel free to restate the ordinal. I would suggest however, you write "Christian IX" instead of "Christian" the whole time.
"Dagmar took the name Maria Feodorovna" ➜ "Dagmar took the name "Maria Feodorovna"". Italics not needed here. Quotation marks around her name is optional and up to you.
"Moreover, both Nicholas and Michael were killed during the Russian Revolution." ➜ "Moreover, both Nicholas and Michael, along with Nicholas's five children, were killed during the Russian Revolution." Yes, only talking about the children are being talked about, but it is best to include them as they were also closely-related relatives who also died as a result of the Revolution.
In the ALT0 hook, I would change it from "the parents to" ➜ "the parents of".
So, in summary, all that needs to be addressed is the sourcing within tables and a few spelling and grammar mistakes. I am also a bit concerned with the amount of WP:WHITESPACE. If this can't be fixed, it is not too much of a concern. Please let me know if you need any assistance or clarification. I hope this helps and I look forward to hopefully having this in DYK. Thanks. -
Therealscorp1an (
talk) 00:39, 11 April 2024 (UTC)reply
@
Therealscorp1an: Thank you very much for your detailed evaluation and feedback. I have no objections to the ALT0 hook being used on the Main Page. Could you please let me know when I should make the suggested changes? As you noted, I am still in the process of citing some of the information in the tables. AndrewPeterT (
talk) (
contribs) 02:12, 11 April 2024 (UTC)reply
@
AndrewPeterT: As soon as possible. The quicker these are addressed, the quicker we can place it on DYK. -
Therealscorp1an (
talk) 04:10, 11 April 2024 (UTC)reply
All suggested spelling and grammar corrections have been made. I am prioritizing citing sources for the great-grandchildren of Christian IX and Louise. AndrewPeterT (
talk) (
contribs) 04:51, 11 April 2024 (UTC)reply
@
AndrewPeterT: Great job. There's one other thing I would change. In the caption of the photo that will be used for the hook, I would change "Christian IX with various children and grandchildren at
Fredensborg Palace." to "1886 portrait of Christian IX and his family by
Laurits Tuxen." It's best the artist is probably credited. Also, in the actual article, in order to aleviate some of the
WP:WHITESPACE, I would remove the two protraits of Christian IX and Louise in the background section as there are paintings of them given in the table below so. Once you're done sourcing the table information, please let me know! -
Therealscorp1an (
talk) 00:08, 12 April 2024 (UTC)reply
@
Therealscorp1an: Have your concerns been assuaged? (Big dislike, incidentally, on the use of section headers within a review, as they make
T:TDYK's table of contents look angin.)--Launchballer 09:15, 30 April 2024 (UTC)reply
@
Launchballer: and @
Therealscorp1an:: I still have two more tables to find references for. I should be able to have all references ready by 2359 UTC tomorrow (May 2)on May 3 on May 5. AndrewPeterT (
talk) (
contribs) 00:23, 2 May 2024 (UTC); edited 21:30, 2 May 2024 (UTC) and 22:18, 3 May 2024 (UTC)reply
@
Therealscorp1an: Thank you very much for being so accommodating as I found references for all of the information in the tables. I have cited everything to the extent possible (Please note that I was unable to find reliable sources for some lifespan dates). Would you please be able to review the article and let me know if I should make further modifications with the sourcing? AndrewPeterT (
talk) (
contribs) 21:33, 5 May 2024 (UTC)reply
The lifespan dates should be sourced, and if the snippets of Google search results are anything to go by, shouldn't be too difficult to source.--Launchballer 14:23, 7 May 2024 (UTC)reply
AndrewPeterT please note that this nomination is now over two months old, which has come to be the time-out point for stalled nominations. If it isn't approved within a week, the nomination is liable to be rejected.
~~ AirshipJungleman29 (
talk) 01:50, 14 May 2024 (UTC)reply
@
Therealscorp1an:, @
Launchballer:, and @
AirshipJungleman29:, I have now sourced all of the lifespan dates mentioned in the article. Given that the time-out point is soon approaching, would you please be able to approve this nomination or leave any final suggestions at your earliest convenience? Thank you all for your feedback! AndrewPeterT (
talk) (
contribs) 16:45, 14 May 2024 (UTC)reply
@
AirshipJungleman29: Absolutely. In general, I agree that articles on descendants of individuals are genealogical trivia. However, I created this article on Christian IX's offspring because I believe the specific topic is
notable on its own merits. In particular, multiple works of literature have been published on this topic, including:
Aronson 2000, who chronicles the lives of Christian IX's children and their implications on 19th- and 20th-century European
geopolitics in his work. (I have linked the 2020 version of this text in the article.) For example, Aronson describes how
Alexandra of Denmark and
Maria Feodorovna (Dagmar of Denmark) brought anti-
Prussian attitudes with them to the British and Russian royal courts, respectively.
Carter 2011, which, among other topics, emphasizes the fact that
George V and
Nicholas II were first cousins (via Christian IX). Carter also chronicles how George and Nicholas navigated Europe amid
World War I and the impact of these experiences on how both viewed their family relationships.
Lerche and Mandal 2003, a text I have admittedly not read yet. However, I have heard, but am not certain, that this book was based on
this documentary specifically dedicated to the descendants of Christian IX that contains interviews with members of contemporary European royalty.
Please let me know if you would like additional clarification. AndrewPeterT (
talk) (
contribs) 17:58, 14 May 2024 (UTC)reply
Aronson 2000 and Lerche & Mandal 2003 are exactly the sort of existing sources needed. Many thanks for your speedy response.
~~ AirshipJungleman29 (
talk) 18:00, 14 May 2024 (UTC)reply
... that in a memorial tribute to Tachikawa Sumito, a former colleague said she did "not think there will ever be another [Japanese singer] to surpass him"? Source: 立川清登さんの思い出 [Memories of Mr. Tachikawa Sumito], p. 1
ALT1: ... that in 1976, Tachikawa Sumito made a hit cover of a song he first discovered when a housewife called into his radio show requesting to hear a version of it? Source: 立川清登 [Tachikawa Sumito], p. 59;
[1]
CurryTime7-24 this nomination was not properly transluded to
WP:DYKN, which is why it has gone unreviewed. As the nomination was made during the unreviewed backlog mode, you need to provide two QPQs within the next week.
~~ AirshipJungleman29 (
talk) 01:54, 14 May 2024 (UTC)reply
I'll take this one when I see two QPQs.--Launchballer 22:36, 14 May 2024 (UTC)reply
Articles created/expanded on April 9
Environmental damage of Gaza caused by the Israel–Hamas war
Comment: I'm very open to revising the hook, the research by
Forensic Architecture states that "What’s left is devastation... an area that is no longer livable...", I think this is a really important point to get across but not sure how to include it in the hook.
Full review needed now that maintenance tags are addressed and QPQ has been submitted.
BlueMoonset (
talk) 04:32, 23 April 2024 (UTC)reply
thanks
BlueMoonset, to the person reviewing it, please ping me with any questions :)
John Cummings (
talk) 16:18, 23 April 2024 (UTC)reply
@
John Cummings:, I started a review, but didn't get past the first section. I understand that this is a delicate subject, but the opening fails
Wikipedia:NPOV. Can you rework the opening section so it a little less "pointy"? --
evrik(
talk) 21:40, 24 April 2024 (UTC)reply
Hi
evrik thank you for looking at the article, I realise it is an emotive subject. I believe the intro to be a fair summary of the events and have used the same descriptors for the events as the sources, especially the academic study to try to make the article as accurate as possible. However there are limited sources available given the blockade and ban on journalists entering. I can't find any sources which despute that the destruction has happened or who destroyed the farms and trees. There are some more sources to go through but they mainly focus on the health impacts of the destruction. I've included the only quote I can find from the Israeli government in the body of the article. Can you tell me which words/phrases specifically you think are not balanced and how you would go about changing it?
John Cummings (
talk) 21:52, 24 April 2024 (UTC)reply
Tone down the hyperbole in the opening. If you can do that, ping me and I'll start the review again. --
evrik(
talk) 22:00, 24 April 2024 (UTC)reply
@
Evrik: (I appreciate I'm butting in, but the page is on my watchlist) I'm not seeing hyperbole in the article, grim as it is; some specifics would be helpful for progressing the article.
Richard Nevell (
talk) 20:57, 25 April 2024 (UTC)reply
I edited two items in the article. It looks like the suggestions made here have been implemented and the article is as neutral as it can be. The article has the correct inline citations and it is both long enough and new enough to qualify for dyk. The hook is confirmed, in the article, and interesting. I prefer ALT0 as it introduces the word
ecocide which is the subject of the article. The nominator has done a qpq. Regarding the stability of the article - it appears mostly -stable, just the nominator and myself have edited it today. Earwig has been down for me today so I have spot checked sources and did not find evidence of plagiarism.
Bruxton (
talk) 01:32, 1 May 2024 (UTC)reply
Bruxton thanks very much for assessing it and for your additions to the article.
John Cummings (
talk) 08:21, 1 May 2024 (UTC)reply
Offering the above spare hook. I think a hard fact about the destruction works best for the hook. Any characterization of the conflict works better in the article.
Rjjiii (
talk) 03:50, 14 May 2024 (UTC)reply
Source 1 states: "The number of sit-down strikes in 1936, 1937, and 1938 by months, with the number' of workers involved, is given in table 16."
Table 16 lists the same numbers of strikes given in source 2 below. It lists workers involved as follows:
1936: 87,817
1937: 398,117
1938: 28,749
Source 2 states: "In 1936 there were 48 so-called sit-down strikes.
In 1937 the number increased to 477, but by 1938 they decreased to
52. There were only 6 strikes during 1939 in which all or part of the
strikers remained at their workplaces for one or more days after
ceasing work. he number of workers idle in connection with these
6 strikes was 3,416, although the number participating in the sit-down
or stay-in feature is not known."
This sentence involves a very encyclopedic form of synthesis in that it adds numbers from two consecutive studies by the same source. Similar synthesis, but without inclusion of the latter number appears in Sidney Fine's book Sitdown, cited in the article.
QPQ not needed, expansion is recent and article is long enough. Hook is properly sourced. However, Earwig detected a 43.2% similarity. Before I pass this nom, I think it would be suitable to trim down some quotes, if possible.
Davest3r08>:3(
talk) 22:33, 14 April 2024 (UTC)reply
I've reviewed the
Earwig similarity report, which highlights passages that are either in quotes or comprise part of citations (including the journal name and another cited article). The longest passage is the summary of the Matignon Agreement, a quotation I don't think I can improve upon. I've revised the article to reduce the amount of material directly quoted from Torigian and from Adamic, but keep Adamic's longer definition and Torigian's POV that the mid-1930s strikes were a distinct phase of using the tactic. Let me know whether you think
these changes sufficiently reduce the reliance of direct quotations.--
Carwil (
talk) 13:29, 15 April 2024 (UTC)reply
Fair rationale. Passing nomination.
LunaEcplise (for the record I'm Davest3r08) (
talk) 20:33, 15 April 2024 (UTC)reply
@
Carwil,
LunaEclipse,
AirshipJungleman29, and
RoySmith: - given that there was no definite resolution to the discussion at [[Wikipedia_talk:Did_you_know#Sitdown_strike}]], I'm reopening this. A couple of issues were raised regarding the state of the article, and also whether the figures from the Dept. of Labor should be given in Wikivoice. —
Amakuru (
talk) 22:47, 14 May 2024 (UTC)reply
(Not a review) It looks like the book is specifically saying that it's the first short film to put a pop song over "silenced clips" (found footage?), not that it was the first short film ever to have a pop song as its entire soundtrack. The latter definition covers an awful lot of
musical short films going back to the 1920s.
DigitalIceAge (
talk) 03:17, 18 April 2024 (UTC)reply
Good catch, it was definitely nagging me how to accurately summarize that claim without basically quoting it directly. I think there were some similar claims made in other sources, so I'm gonna look through those again and see what the best way to approach that would be. As a fallback, there's the quote about the film "presenting the eyes for Ray Charles".
hinnk (
talk) 19:17, 19 April 2024 (UTC)reply
ALT2:
Bruxton (
talk) 00:13, 3 May 2024 (UTC)... that
Bruce Conner conceived of his short film Cosmic Ray as "presenting the eyes" for blind musician
Ray Charles? Source: Looking for Bruce Conner: "I felt that I was, in a way, presenting the eyes for Ray Charles, who is a blind musician…I was supplying his vision."
hinnk (
talk) 22:21, 19 April 2024 (UTC)reply
Reviewer still needed.
Z1720 (
talk) 13:55, 2 May 2024 (UTC)reply
I like ALT1 as it is confirmed, interesting, in the article and supported with RS including the Boston Globe. The article is a 5x expansion so qualifies. The article has the correct inline citations and it is neutral. NOqpq required and Earwig alerts at 35% to a long quote.
Bruxton (
talk) 00:13, 3 May 2024 (UTC)reply
@
@Hinnk,
RoySmith,
Bruxton,
AirshipJungleman29, and
DigitalIceAge: per discussion at
Wikipedia_talk:Did_you_know#Cosmic_Ray_(film), I've reopened this as I think there is too much doubt about the assertion of it being the first music video... as DigitalIceAge suggested, "this is a fringe view and too controversial to run as a hook". Either the hook should be strongly nuanced, or something else developed. —
Amakuru (
talk) 22:43, 14 May 2024 (UTC)reply
(also ping
Hinnk as above had a typo) —
Amakuru (
talk) 22:44, 14 May 2024 (UTC)reply
@
RoySmith: First are interesting, like The first woman named to the Blue Angels as F/A-18 demonstration pilot
Blue Angel fighter pilot
Amanda Lee.
Bruxton (
talk) 23:14, 14 May 2024 (UTC)reply
Yeah, I was being (only partially) sarcastic :-) But, that's a good example of a first that's probably OK to use. There's a small finite set of people who have been Blue Angle pilots. And an even smaller subset of them are women. So it's easy to do an exhaustive search of all women blue angel pilots and see who was first. Likewise, we had a hook recently about some member of the British royal family being the first to fly in a helicopter. There's a very small set of people who are in the British royal family and everything they do is noted. And helicopters have only existed for a relatively short amount of time. So it's really unlikely somebody will come up with some other royal who flew in a helicopter earlier. It's the open-ended sets like short films or WW-II fighter pilots where declaring somebody or something to be "first" gets dicey.
RoySmith(talk) 23:22, 14 May 2024 (UTC)reply
October 7, 1986 congress of the Democratic Yemeni Union of Peasants
... that the role of the Democratic Yemeni Union of Peasants(1986 congress pictured) was enshrined in the 1978 Constitution of
South Yemen? Source: Albert P. Blaustein, Gisbert H. Flanz. Constitutions of the Countries of the World: Yemen. Oceana Publications, 1986. p. 21
Comment. Hi
User:Soman - thanks for your work on the article. Any idea about the ultimate fate of the organisation – did it last until Yemeni unification in 1990?
ITBF (
talk) 10:42, 15 April 2024 (UTC)reply
I can't find anything definitive, I would have presumed its history ended with unification in 1990. Unlike youth organization and trade unions that continued post unification, it appears that Afid was comparatively weaker and would not have endured without state patronage. But looking here
https://www.adengad.net/news/693324 and
https://www.addalinews.com/Print/16352 there are mentions of a Peasants Union in the Southern movement... unsure if there is any organizational connection. For the purpose of this article I think we can end the article history with 1990 for now, though. --
Soman (
talk) 11:10, 15 April 2024 (UTC)reply
Looking at
https://www.yafa.news/archives/9941 , it seems there is no direct link between Afid 1976-1990 and the present-day Union of Southern Peasants. --
Soman (
talk) 11:14, 15 April 2024 (UTC)reply
New reviewer needed.
Z1720 (
talk) 13:58, 2 May 2024 (UTC)reply
@
Soman: I've given this a review. I'm ready to pass this, but I'm blah on the hook. Do you have any others? Also, you need to anser the question about when it closed, or if it still exists. --
evrik(
talk) 18:16, 7 May 2024 (UTC)reply
I'd say that the connection between the national constitution and a civil society organization is the most hookworthy factoid here. The only other option I see would the arrest of the chairman in 1978 or the cooperation agreements with East Germany. As per the closure of the organization, I don't have any source of an exact date of disbanding and it is quite likely that there was no official or formalized disbanding. When South Yemen ceased to exist, presumably the organization went quietly defunct. --
Soman (
talk) 10:43, 8 May 2024 (UTC)reply
Can you propose some alt hooks? Also work into the piece that, "it is quite likely that there was no official or formalized disbanding. When South Yemen ceased to exist, presumably the organization went quietly defunct." --
evrik(
talk) 15:30, 8 May 2024 (UTC)reply
I can't add speculation in the article mainspace, without any reference. I think it is clear from context that the organization ceased to function at some point around Yemeni unification, but the reader will have to connect the dots. --
Soman (
talk) 22:19, 11 May 2024 (UTC)reply
The hook is bleh, and the article is incomplete without something that says how the group ended. Would you like another reviewer? --
evrik(
talk) 02:27, 12 May 2024 (UTC)reply
... that early environmentalists like Cora Babbitt Johnson almost prevented the carving of Mount Rushmore? Source: Smith, Rex Alan (January 1, 1985). The Carving of Mount Rushmore. New York City: Abbeville Press. pp. chapter 2 and chapter 5; Fite, Gilbert Courtland (1952). Mount Rushmore. Internet Archive. Norman : University of Oklahoma Press; Merritt, Riley (2024-04-01). "Borglum's Horse Flies: The Early Opposition to Mount Rushmore". Honors College Theses.
Overall: The nominated article has one paragraph without a citation. The uncited paragraph could be supported in part by pages 11 and 121 of Mount Rushmore by Gilbert C. Fite, it talks about the Hot Springs Star's editorial stance.
https://archive.org/details/mountrushmore00univ/page/121 I also suggest that an alternate wording like "that early environmentalists like
Cora Babbitt Johnson almost prevented..." rather than the current wording. Update:Thanks to
Mary Mark Ockerbloom for working on the reference problems on the article. Do either of the two nominators,
Borg Axoim or
Crunchydillpickle, have any final thoughts or last minute suggestions?
🌿MtBotany (
talk) 03:52, 29 April 2024 (UTC)reply
@
Borg Axoim, @
Crunchydillpickle and @
MtBotany Where does the wiki article state that the carving of Mount Rushmore was "almost prevented?" Unless there's genuine evidence from the cited source that the project was almost going to be shut down (if so, that should be added in), letters of opposition, protests, and halts do not equal "preventions." This needs to be addressed first before promotion.
PrimalMustelid (
talk) 19:46, 7 May 2024 (UTC)reply
You're right,
PrimalMustelid sloppy reviewing on my part. One of the project's promotors (Robinson) said that her editorials against the project, "might produce a real disaster." The strongest that could be said is something like "environmentalists delayed the carving of Mount Rushmore" and I don't know that such as statement would be surprising/interesting. If Borg Axoim or Crunckydillpickle are interested in a rewrite of the hook there is a lot of support for something like "the artist who carved Mt. Rushmore called Cora Johnson and other environmentalists opponents "horseflies"."
🌿MtBotany (
talk) 17:45, 8 May 2024 (UTC)reply
PrimalMustelid and
My botany, you're right that the wording may not be ideal. Two of the sources (Fite and Merritt) mention how Cora Babbitt Johnson swayed the South Dakota governor against the project and that he delayed the project severely. Given that, I think it would be fair to say something like "
Cora Babbitt Johnson and other environmentalists lobbied South Dakota governor
Carl Gunderson, who halted the Mount Rushmore project until the end of his term". Would that be interesting enough? It could still use some rewriting.
User:Borg_Axoim 7:45, 9 May 2024 (UTC)
Overall: This nomination still needs work. As it's your first nomination, I'm happy to give you time to improve this. But, at minimum, you need to settle on an interesting hook with a reliable source that you can clearly cite for it. Unsourced sections need to either be removed, or reliable sources cited inline with them.
Grnrchst (
talk) 13:43, 17 April 2024 (UTC)reply
Suggestion: if you find a source for current use of the same routes, that might be interesting (enough)?
FortunateSons (
talk) 17:56, 18 April 2024 (UTC)reply
Marking as rejected due to a lack of response from
Owenglyndur. If they do not respond in the next few days, this can be closed as rejected.
Z1720 (
talk) 15:29, 10 May 2024 (UTC)reply
Z1720, it appears that Owenglyndur responded to your original post on their talk page on 5 May rather than here, and made a number of edits to the article that same day. Do issues remain? Also pinging original reviewer
Grnrchst.
BlueMoonset (
talk) 04:34, 11 May 2024 (UTC)reply
I'd be ok with passing this review now, as the biggest issues with the article and hook have been sufficiently addressed. There's still some bits that lack inline citations, but some of them make clear what they're citing in the text and others are rather minor things in larger paragraphs that contain inline citations elsewhere. --
Grnrchst (
talk) 08:11, 11 May 2024 (UTC)reply
@
Grnrchst and
Owenglyndur: A hook cannot run at DYK with missing inline citations. This will need to be resolved.
Z1720 (
talk) 16:38, 11 May 2024 (UTC)reply
Thanks for your comments i will work on them. I will let you know once its ready. So we will be able to publish the DYK then?
Owenglyndur (
talk) 07:42, 12 May 2024 (UTC)reply
Hook should be a Monty Python reference imo. (
t ·
c) buidhe 03:19, 12 May 2024 (UTC)reply
... that one of the canoe routes through Obonga-Ottertooth Provincial Park is difficult but rewarding for its "unusual and spectacular scenery"? Source: Ref #3 (Obonga-Ottertooth Provincial Park Management Statement)
@
P199 and
Evrik: I don't feel that comfortable with including a promotional quote from the park's manager on the main page. What else is there?
~~ AirshipJungleman29 (
talk) 17:08, 11 May 2024 (UTC)reply
AirshipJungleman29, is that an absolute policy or a preference? Would reworking the sentence be enough?--
evrik(
talk) 17:11, 11 May 2024 (UTC)reply
@
AirshipJungleman29 and
Evrik: would you accept this alternative (I still use the quote, albeit a different portion, and no longer use the POV terms):
ALT1: that one of the
canoe routes through Obonga-Ottertooth Provincial Park is difficult but rewarding for its "scenery of rapids, waterfalls,
talus boulders and steep canyons"?
What if we change the sentence to this, "The canoe route through the Ottertooth Creek canyon [has been described as] especially difficult and seldom travelled, but rewarding for its "unusual and spectacular scenery of rapids, waterfalls, talus boulders and steep canyons."? There are few independent sources. --
evrik(
talk) 15:49, 14 May 2024 (UTC)reply
If there are few independent sources, it might be worth considering whether the article meets the
WP:GEOFEAT criteria.
~~ AirshipJungleman29 (
talk) 17:29, 14 May 2024 (UTC)reply
This park is notable. I also think the hook is fine as written with the current sourcing. I'm struggling to find a solution that makes you happy. --
evrik(
talk) 17:34, 14 May 2024 (UTC)reply
Agree with Evrik. There are tons of sources, just not scholarly/academic ones (obviously, I don't want to use blogs and travel accounts). But an official government-issued work (i.e. Reference #3) should be more than acceptable. Furthermore note that this is not a marketing brochure or some other promotional material. So, if they say that the route "presents the canoeist with severe travel obstacles and minimal campsites" and "one is rewarded with unusual and spectacular scenery...", then that is rather factual and authoritative. It should not cause such trepidation... -- P 1 9 9✉ 17:49, 14 May 2024 (UTC)reply
@
Blaylockjam10: I studied the source and cannot find the hook. Can you lead me to it?
Bruxton (
talk) 02:56, 1 May 2024 (UTC)reply
@
Bruxton: It’s under “Regular Season (Complete Stats)”. It looks like it may only be visible on a computer.
Blaylockjam10 (
talk) 11:33, 2 May 2024 (UTC)reply
Looks like I need a premium membership to view. I will leave this to another reviewer.
Bruxton (
talk) 04:02, 4 May 2024 (UTC)reply
If "S TEAM LEAGUE GP GD GAA SV% GA SV SO W-L-T TOI" and "2022-23 Avtomobilist Yekaterinburg KHL 1 4 - - - - 0 0-0-1 0:00" means what I think it means, then a) you don't need a premium membership to view and b) I think the hook checks out with the source, depending on what "W-L-T" means, although I haven't yet looked at the article. I'm a bit worried about the phrases "submit stats/facts" and "edit profile" I found on the source - what makes it reliable?--Launchballer 11:57, 4 May 2024 (UTC)reply
Launchballer I saw the same, which made me feel like it was a contributor site. Honestly I was just lost on that page. I think W is win L is loss and T is tie. It is a clever hook which drew me to the nomination, but then I found myself lost for a half hour clicking on pull down menus until I got to a paywall. @
BeanieFan11: may be able to help.
Bruxton (
talk) 14:55, 4 May 2024 (UTC)reply
I'm not seeing the TOI part of the Elite Prospects link but based on how he played in the game that would make sense.
NHL says that he was the goaltender for only the shootout portion in his only game, which would mean that he "officially" had zero minutes since the shootout isn't timed. (Also, I've come across Elite Prospects a number of times – they seem pretty reliable (don't think I've seen an incorrect stat, although I've only used them in writing ~10 hockey articles) and seem to have a staff – also cited
~20,000 times). I'd say it's good for approving as long as the article itself is fine.
BeanieFan11 (
talk) 16:08, 4 May 2024 (UTC)reply
Blaylockjam10 I located the minutes played after being guided.
Earwig determined that there is some minor
WP:CLOP which needs to be addressed. Also probably not a DYK issue, but consider that we probably do not need a
section for three words - it should be combined somewhere. Also the lead should introduce/summarize more of the article; right now it is a single sentence. The hook is interesting and the article is neutral with the correct inline citations. Created on April 19 nominated April 26 so the article is new enough and with 2344 the article is long enough.
Bruxton (
talk) 18:52, 4 May 2024 (UTC)reply
ALT2: ... that even though about 100,000 bombs fell on Le Touquet during
WWII, making it "the most mined city in France", it was the first resort in Northern France to open its beaches after
Liberation? Source: There are different estimates of the number of explosive devices were left in Le Touquet, ranging from 92,745[62] through 106,745[86] and up to 137,950,[85][b] but all agree that Le Touquet became 'the most mined city in France'. (the last sentence in the "Wartime destruction" section), also "By Pentecost of 1945, Le Touquet's beach opened to visitors, the first in Northern France, but the demining proved taxing. 78 people died and 155 were injured while demining the town within 3 years of Liberation.[85][86]"
ALT3: ... that even though about 100,000 mines were laid in Le Touquet during
WWII, making it "the most mined city in France", it was the first resort in Northern France to open its beaches after
Liberation? Source: There are different estimates of the number of explosive devices were left in Le Touquet, ranging from 92,745[62] through 106,745[86] and up to 137,950,[85][b] but all agree that Le Touquet became 'the most mined city in France'. (the last sentence in the "Wartime destruction" section), also "By Pentecost of 1945, Le Touquet's beach opened to visitors, the first in Northern France, but the demining proved taxing. 78 people died and 155 were injured while demining the town within 3 years of Liberation.[85][86]"
expanded recently enough; article is well-written and well-sourced. In my opinion ALT2 is by far the most interesting hook.
Elli (
talk |
contribs) 04:14, 23 April 2024 (UTC)reply
I pulled this just before the main page. Needs a new hook. Schwede66 02:32, 13 May 2024 (UTC)reply
Per my comments there, I've suggested a modified version of ALT2 as ALT3 that's in line with the sourcing. Very sorry for not catching the issue with the wording.
Elli (
talk |
contribs) 03:58, 13 May 2024 (UTC)reply
The city hall's page says Ce sont au total 92745 mines et engins explosifs qui sont retrouvés et désamorcés sur le territoire de la commune., so it's mines and explosive devices. Saitzek tells this 137950 mines faisaient du Touquet selon un journal local "la ville la plus minee de France"1. Cependant, l'accès à la plage est autorisé dès la Pentecôte de 1945 et Le Touquet fut la première plage minée à ouvrir de nouveau son accès aux baigneurs. So we can say mines, explosive devices, I thought bombs could fall under the explosive devices category.
Szmenderowiecki (
talk) 21:08, 13 May 2024 (UTC)reply
... that a new subspecies of giant sengi was discovered in 2021? Source: "Despite the pelage differences, initial DNA comparisons found it nearly identical to R. chrysopygus. A later DNA comparison supported a designation of a new subspecies, Rhynchocyon chrysopygus mandelai as it diverges in pelage and is allopatric to R. chrysopygus (Agwanda et al. 2021)."
ALT1 ... that a new subspecies of giant sengi was discovered in 2021 in Kenya? Source: "Despite the pelage differences, initial DNA comparisons found it nearly identical to R. chrysopygus. A later DNA comparison supported a designation of a new subspecies, Rhynchocyon chrysopygus mandelai as it diverges in pelage and is allopatric to R. chrysopygus (Agwanda et al. 2021)."
ALT2 ... that a new Golden-rumped sengi subspecies (Rhynchocyon) was discovered in in Kenya? Source: "Despite the pelage differences, initial DNA comparisons found it nearly identical to R. chrysopygus. A later DNA comparison supported a designation of a new subspecies, Rhynchocyon chrysopygus mandelai as it diverges in pelage and is allopatric to R. chrysopygus (Agwanda et al. 2021)."
ALT3 ... that a new subspecies of the giant Golden-rumped sengi was discovered in 2021? Source: "Despite the pelage differences, initial DNA comparisons found it nearly identical to R. chrysopygus. A later DNA comparison supported a designation of a new subspecies, Rhynchocyon chrysopygus mandelai as it diverges in pelage and is allopatric to R. chrysopygus (Agwanda et al. 2021)."
Date, size, expansion, hook, refs, QPQ, copyvio spotcheck, all GTG. Minor disclaimer: the prose script I use does not count tables and bulleted lists, and without them I see only ~2.5-3x expansion. But there is a new large table (with some advanced features) and a new list, so I am AGFing the 5x claim. PS. I added a single citation needed request to one sentence - I ask the nom to comment here on whether it has been addressed. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus|
reply here 10:15, 20 April 2024 (UTC)reply
Reference added! And yes, it was not massively expanded, however I am working on more sections in the conservation section today. Thank you for the comments.
Andrew Z. Colvin •
Talk 22:55, 20 April 2024 (UTC)reply
Not happy with 'recently'; hooks must not be likely to change.--Launchballer 17:41, 4 May 2024 (UTC)reply
@
Azcolvin429: Another issue with recently is that it's relative to the field but if that's unclear, it could give folks a misleading impression. 2008/7 is recent for the discovery of species, but not recent in other ways. Back in 2007, you could pull your Blackberry out of your ombré jeans and text your friends to meet you at Blockbuster Video so you all could rent a DVD to play on your PS2. Some people could read the hook as meaning that it was discovered earlier this year. I thought some of the reproduction information cited to
Rathbun was interesting, including that they're monogamous but spend little time together and the quick development of the offspring, "mall versions of adults and are able to run swiftly within an hour of birth". Good luck, whichever way you go,
Rjjiii (
talk) 06:24, 8 May 2024 (UTC)reply
AirshipJungleman29, Fair point, I would be happy to review alternate hooks, as on second thought the current one is also not very interesting. Could of course just change 'recently' to a year and move on, accepting that it won't be very clickable. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus|
reply here 01:45, 12 May 2024 (UTC)reply
I know it is not super interesting, its just a little factoid and I expanded the article significantly so figured it would be useful. I initally avoided the year as it is not super recent, but it was not on Wikipedia until I wrote about it and updated corresponding phylogenies and distributions. I should clarify that the expanded article is just the genus. The new subspecies is Rhynchocyon chrysopygus mandelai and is mentioned in the article as well as given a section titled "Kenya subspecies". Maybe the hook should be more specific? Though I wanted to avoid being too technical. I added a few alts.
Andrew Z. Colvin •
Talk 06:39, 12 May 2024 (UTC)reply
Comment: By far my finest hour at
AFC yet. The buzz and anticipation (and spoilers!) at
r/Bluey on the eve of its U.S. release (the evening before, more like) compelled me to give this a shot at you-know-where--well after its original
ABC airing, and mere minutes after its
Disney+ bow; helps that I, an occasional but devoted viewer of the Heelers and company, actually watched along with my niece (via tablet) on that very day. It's not every season--or series (in that case)--you get to see WP coverage of an animated kidvid episode outside Nicktoons, Cartoon Network, and occasional in-house-Disney territory. (I speak from previous experience, as my early-era attempts at Care Bears episode articles ultimately went nowhere; such has been the fate of many recaps devoted to older shows in that demographic.) Not to mention
TV Tropes and
Know Your Meme had their own pages on this topic while ours was in dance draft mode! By the way, an episode like "The Sign" actually speaks volumes to yours truly, a former Connecticut resident (and animation lover--and immigrant from the Commonwealth of Dominica) who had to move to Central Florida seven years ago on account of his male superior's job change. (Shared that same memory to the niece.) Many thanks to the others who helped me along the way this past week:
May we meet each other again in the next few months en route to my long-coveted
Four Award--for real life (which I originally planned to reserve for Ain't Burned All the Bright last August). No matter what happens next--good or bad... "We'll see."
We can link to the tale itself in the hook,
The old man lost his horse. I don't know the etiquette for this so I'm just leaving this as a comment.
Arcorann (
talk) 00:34, 1 May 2024 (UTC)reply
Overall: Not sure what the comments above about the link meant. Not thrilled with the hook. It's somewhat wordy. Also, the word Huainanzi is not in the article. Can we get some ALTs? --
evrik(
talk) 18:46, 8 May 2024 (UTC)reply
Overall: Great work on this article! Earwig highlighted a few words, but they just appear to be common words and phrases. Good to go! Kentuckian|
💬 15:11, 24 April 2024 (UTC)reply
I worry about this hook's
WP:DYKINTerestingness, as it is entirely dependent on knowing its names (I only know of Joanna Southcott because I'm distantly related to her). What else have you got?--Launchballer 08:38, 10 May 2024 (UTC)reply
The
WP:DYKINTerestingness is not from the names mentioned. who are both notable, and Southcott is known to some (who are not related to her). The key phrase here is "spiritual child". If Miss X is the spiritual child of Miss Y .... then its intriguing. Adding "prophet" in front of Joanna would be better but I'm not sure "I'm (personally) not impressed" is a valid reason. If there is no offered alternative then this should proceed as approved IMO, no reason to stall it.
Victuallers (
talk) 10:55, 13 May 2024 (UTC)reply
Let's see an ALT to that effect.--Launchballer 22:41, 14 May 2024 (UTC)reply
Please somehow set aside all the copy/paste stuff as quotes. --
evrik(
talk) 21:48, 3 May 2024 (UTC)reply
Article has now been rewritten, so the copy-paste from PD source is less direct. Length, date, hook ok. Ideally
File:Flag_of_San_Diego_County,_California.png should be added to the nomination as well. However, the nominator needs to provide a QPQ for this to be ticked. --
Soman (
talk) 11:47, 10 May 2024 (UTC)reply
New enough, long enough. The hook is "meh". No QPQ done. Large amount of quoted text needs better clarification. I'm not going to review this article anymore. --
evrik(
talk) 16:24, 10 May 2024 (UTC)reply
New reviewer needed. --
evrik(
talk) 16:24, 10 May 2024 (UTC)reply
Sorry, but where is the QPQ? You must add a link here in the template somewhere. --
Soman (
talk) 10:47, 11 May 2024 (UTC)reply
I just went through Illegitimate Barrier's contributions. He has only edited two DYK nomination pages since May 2020, this one and
this edit to
Kirby: King of Comics, which absolutely does not count as a QPQ. This needs a full QPQ, and I would suggest stepping on it.--Launchballer 13:23, 11 May 2024 (UTC)reply
I've taken the liberty of proposing a rearranged ALT0a for reasons of grammar, as it was looking a bit breathless, and so that it ends with "Samuel Kummer" instead of "his own".--Launchballer 10:21, 30 April 2024 (UTC)reply
@
Gerda Arendt: This is the oldest fully unreviewed nom and I need a QPQ, so I'm reviewing. New enough, blurbless ITN notwithstanding, and long enough. Earwig has no valid complaints. Looking at ALT0a now, Reger and Vierne are lesser 'names' and I'd expect a more merciless prepbuilder to cut them, but I'll let them make that decision. Two things; as written, the 'Life and career' section would deserve {{subsections}} (and surely 'Personal life' comes under Life and career anyway), and single-sentence
WP:PARAGRAPHs should be avoided - this should be reordered somehow.--Launchballer 22:54, 14 May 2024 (UTC)reply
Sumo referee Kimura Shōtarō with a Pokémon-inspired kimono in January 2022
... that since the
January 2022 sumo
tournament, gyōji can be seen in the ring wearing kimonos with Pokémon-inspired designs to celebrate the 25th anniversary of the release of Pokémon Red and Blue? Source:
1,
2
Reviewed:
Improved to Good Article status by
OtharLuin (
talk).
Number of QPQs required: 0. Nominator has less than 5 past nominations.
Post-promotion hook changes
will be logged on the talk page; consider
watching the nomination until the hook appears on the Main Page.
My first thought reading the hook was "my sphincter, the games were released in 1996!". The hook should make it clear that the games were in fact released then - simply adding "the 1996 games" will take the hook above
WP:DYK200, so something else will have to give.--Launchballer 07:15, 26 April 2024 (UTC)reply
I don't think the mention of the year of release is so important that it needs to be added, the hook is centered on the kimono and I'm already specifying that it's the game's 25th anniversary. The hook is long enough as it is. -
OtharLuin (
talk) 07:24, 26 April 2024 (UTC)reply
Yes, which means as written the hook implies they were released in 1997! That said, I am a huge Pokémaniac (even to the point I spent much of the pandemic writing
Pokémon-themed fanfiction, which at some point I should rewrite from scratch) and perhaps I'm being too overprotective. An actual reviewer can adjudicate on this.--Launchballer 07:57, 26 April 2024 (UTC)reply
Was this a limited-time promotion or now ongoing/continual? "Since the January 2022 sumo tournament, gyoji can be seen" makes it sound like the latter, while the sources give the impression that they were only talking about the one tournament. If it was just for a limited time then we should rephrase and use past tense.
Adumbrativus (
talk) 19:26, 27 April 2024 (UTC)reply
No limit in time. The
Japan Sumo Association made a set of kimono to celebrate the anniversary but gyoji can still be seen wearing the said pokémon-inspired kimono in the ring today. (
another source) -
OtharLuin (
talk) 22:03, 27 April 2024 (UTC)reply
This nomination still needs a reviewer.
Z1720 (
talk) 15:45, 10 May 2024 (UTC)reply
194 characters. Full review needed.--Launchballer 17:34, 26 April 2024 (UTC)reply
New, long, hook verified (though I'd trim the hook more). A couple concerns:
Copyright violation is an issue even in translation. Unless Elonet's text is in the public domain, the first two paragraphs of the Production section/second paragraph of Filming are much too close and should be rewritten.
Why is the article not titled
Lampaansyöjät (film)? None of the sources seem to use that English name, nor do databases like
IMDb. I suggest moving it to the Finnish title unless English sources actually use the translated version.
Smaller note, the article mentions a 2019 TV presentation without having introduced it.
Painting of Taiyin Xingjun, the Western Xia (982–1227), in Hermitage Museum.
... that Taiyin Xingjun(pictured) is considered the original Chinese moon goddess, even though
Chang'e is sometimes viewed as an accidental resident and is also regarded as an incarnation of her? Source:
找神!拜對正廟有緣神: 拓展「神脈」,更要抱對「佛腳」!
Hi, who will review my DYK? And how many days do I need to wait for a review?
TheGreatPeng (
talk) 18:45, 26 April 2024 (UTC)reply
Comment. Please be patient. This is a volunteer effort, and the average wait time for a review could be around two to three weeks, perhaps sooner or later depending on who is active. Please be mindful of
WP:DYK200. It may help to present alternate hooks for consideration.
Viriditas (
talk) 20:56, 26 April 2024 (UTC)reply
But it was too long to wait; even my second DYK was reviewed.
TheGreatPeng (
talk) 05:29, 9 May 2024 (UTC)reply
Article is sourced well, no plagiarism, new enough, long enough, but needs another pass over for grammar, spelling, and tone. Article could also use clarification about which aspects of worship of this god apply to China/specific regions of China, and which to Taiwan. Hook should also be simplified. How about: ...that Taiyin Xingjun (pictured) is the original Chinese moon goddess, but is often confused with Chang'e?
Comment: Realized I'm a bit late; requesting an IAR exception per
Wikipedia:Did you know/Guidelines. Also, I understand the source says "first" (as opposed to only), but he won the most recent one given to be the first, which means he's also the only one to do it so far. (Although I'm fine changing it to "first" if you think best.)
Source: Nicolae Coande, "Băiatul căruia nu-i era frică de lup", in Cuvântul Libertății, April 2, 2003, p. 4: Scriitori și oamenii de cultură, nu mai vorbesc de gazetarii de la Scânteia sau România liberă, se întreceau în a-i demonstra că nu are de ce să se teamă că a fost descoperit... genial. În acel an de pomină, scriitorii care au vizitat Scorniceștiul pentru a mai afla ceea ce nu se știa din biografia celui plecat în Lume de pe aceste meleaguri obscure au reușit să afle lucruri excepționale. Grație flerului jurnalistic al lui Ilie Purcaru, combatant la Flacăra, dar și mitomaniei de care erau cuprinși de-a valma cei care îl cunoscuseră cândva, s-a putut afla că micuțului Ceaușescu nu îi era deloc frică de lup atunci când se ducea în pădure, dar și că îi plăcea să pună în scenă jocuri cu subiecte istorice unde camarazii săi îl alegeau invariabil de șef. ("Writers and men of culture, not to mention the journalists at Scînteia sau România Liberă, took turns demonstrating [to Ceaușescu] that he had nothing to fear at having been discovered as... a genius. In that infamous year, the writers who visited
Scornicești, arriving there to dig up unknown details from the biography of he who had left that obscure realm to enter The World, managed to pick up some outstanding information. Thanks to the journalistic flair of Ilie Purcaru, that combative voice at Flacăra, but also to the mythomania that had swept across those who had known him [Ceaușescu] back in the day, the reader was informed as to little Ceaușescu's not being even a little afraid of wolves as he roamed about the woods, but also that he liked to stage games on historical subjects, where his comrades would invariably select him as the leader.") Note that parts of the quote are tongue-in-cheek; Cuvântul Libertății is a provincial newspaper in
Craiova (where Purcaru himself was active for much of his life); Nicolae Coande is a poet and journalist based in that same city, whose graduate paper was on the "myths of Romanian communism", and who holds a masters' in philosophy (see
his CV at the
Romanian Writers' Union).
ALT1: ... that according to a legend recorded in Romanian journalists' circles, Ilie Purcaru(pictured) covered the
Vietnam War only because he was dying from
cirrhosis, but returned "healthy as a horse"? Source: Constantin Poenaru, Publicistica: 2004–2016, pp. 36–37. Râmnicu Vâlcea: Editura INTOL PRESS, 2022.
ISBN978-606-8701-35-6: Despre Ilie Purcaru circula prin redacție vorba că, fiind bolnav grav de ciroză și convins, prin urmare, că nu o mai duce mult, s-ar fi oferit singur să plece corespondent în Vietnam, în perioada războiului cu americanii. Urmarea, anecdotică, este că, prin nu se știe ce minune, s-a întors sănătos tun, deși a avut de îndurat multe privațiuni acolo. ("As to Ilie Purcaru, the rumor in our editorial office was that, having fallen severely ill with cirrhosis, and therefore convinced that he would not last for long, he volunteered to be a correspondent in Vietnam, during the war with the Americans. The follow-up, according to this anecdotal account, is that, by who knows what miracle, he came back as healthy as a horse, regardless of how many hardships he had encountered there.")
Comment: This article could've been both a nomination as a creation (by Biruitorul) or an expansion (by me). There are plenty of other juicy facts in the article, such as
Ion Iliescu's thoughts on having Purcaru slapped "once or twice" (I'm leaving this out because the Iliescu article is messy, and because the incident is a tad obscure), or his appearing on Romanian Television with two exactly opposite messages before and after the 1989 Revolution (again, pretty obscure context to fit in a hook).
Overall: Very nice article about I building which I often admired from the old commuter train Halkali - Sirkeci (and I thought it was the Armenian patriarchate... :-( ), and which I saw again last March after traveling for the first time on the new T6 line. I would say that the only thing that the article needs is a copyedit, and that the hook should explain where the building is: i propose the following version:
ALT1 ... that the Bulgur Palas(pictured) a historic mansion in Istanbul, takes its name from
bulgur, wheat
groats that the first owner traded?
What do you think about it?
Moreover, I would mention in the article that the mansion was home to canaries (this could be the subject of another interesting hook), and that was plundered during the Istanbul pogrom, but I leave these additions to you. Cheers!
Alex2006 (
talk) 08:59, 4 May 2024 (UTC)reply
ALT2 ... that the historic mansion Bulgur Palas(pictured) in
Istanbul hosted a birdhouse for hundreds of domestic canaries in one room during its ownership by the
Ottoman Bank?
CeeGee 12:22, 4 May 2024 (UTC)reply
@
Alessandro57: Thank you for your review and nice comment. ALT1 hook is better formulated. I've expanded the article according to your advice, and provided ALT2 hook. Please recheck. Who knows what notable buildings we pass by every day and don't know really about them. Cheers.
CeeGee 12:22, 4 May 2024 (UTC)reply
There is absolutely no way this article can be passed on Main Page in the current state. It often uses a word-order that seems to reflect Turkish grammar, rather than English, and at time simply invents words ("aquiry" is one staring at us from the first sentences). I assure you that I sympathize with the creator, as code-switching between such vastly different languages must be a terrible ordeal.
Dahn (
talk) 12:56, 4 May 2024 (UTC)reply
@
CeeGee: thanks a lot for your expansion and for ALT2. @
Dahn:, I agree with you that the article needs copy editing (that's why I asked for it), and I suppose the horrible language level is due to the author of the translation, who is not the nominator. I am the reviewer (and my native language is Italian), so I am not allowed to do that. CeeGee, do you think you can do it, or do we have to find someone else?
Alex2006 (
talk) 17:24, 4 May 2024 (UTC)reply
@
Alessandro57 and
Dahn: I will request copyediting by the GOCE. Let's see if the nomination can survive the two-month limit.
CeeGee 04:57, 5 May 2024 (UTC)reply
@
CeeGee: thank you for the ping, I have done a quick copy edit.
TSventon (
talk) 09:52, 5 May 2024 (UTC)reply
@
TSventon: Thank you very much indeed for your great help.
CeeGee 10:08, 5 May 2024 (UTC)reply
@
Dahn: A nice
user copyedited the article. I ask you to recheck it. Please let me know if you don't complain anymore so that ı can remove my request from the GOCE, and the reviewer can proceed.
CeeGee 10:08, 5 May 2024 (UTC)reply
@
CeeGee: Fine work. But I have some (additional) questions regarding the sourcing. For instance: "Due to the financial difficulties experienced by Habip Bey resulting from his arrest after the Armistice of Mudros in 1918 and his exile to Malta in 1919,[2] the construction could not be fully completed.[3]" How can reference [2] not cite the part referenced with reference [3], without this being a case of
WP:SYNTH? Either that, or they both cite the second part of the phrase, in which case the referencing is unusually sloppy.
Dahn (
talk 19:43, 5 May 2024 (UTC)reply
@
Dahm: The fact used in the article is below in original Turkish form. If needed, I can supply a Google translation:
“Mütareke döneminde Habib Bey, İtilaf Devletlerinin talebi doğrultusunda tutuklanarak Bekirağa Bölüğü 'ne hapsedilir.”, “Habib Bey daha sonra 1 yıldan daha fazla kalacağı Malta'ya sürgüne gönderilir.”
[7] (ref #2)
“Bolulu Habib Bey de 20’likler listesinde Malta’ya sürülür. Malta’da kurulan mahkemede yargılanan Habib Bey, 20 Temmuz 1920’de hiçbir ceza almadan İstanbul’a geri gönderilir. Ancak bir süre sonra tekrar tutuklanır. Bu dönemde Habib Bey’in ailesi bankalara epeyce borçlanmıştı. Osmanlı Bankası’ndan alınan kredilerin faizi bile ödenemez duruma gelir. Bulgur Palas’ın inşaatı da bir türlü bitirilemez. “
[8] (ref #3)
Well that is precisely my point: the tidbit about the exile and how it left the house unfinished is verified by two (three?) sources, one of which also verified another fact. The citation of these facts was entirely chaotic, using just one of the sources for the fact, and giving the impression that two facts were pasted together. I tried to amend the references and syntax accordingly. Other parts of the article continue to have the same issue: "a room in the downstairs was reserved as a birdhouse for hundreds of domestic canaries,[4] which were probably raised to live in the branches of the Ottoman Bank.[2]" This gives the impression that source number [4] verifies the number of canaries, and source [2] discusses how they got there. But is this really the case?
Dahn (
talk) 06:32, 6 May 2024 (UTC)reply
I don't understand what you mean with "But is this really the case?" Please specify more clear for me.
CeeGee 10:15, 6 May 2024 (UTC)reply
Dahn is asking whether it really is the case that source number [4] verifies the number of canaries, and source [2] discusses how they got there?
TSventon (
talk) 11:03, 6 May 2024 (UTC)reply
Is there a need to know how the birds got there? I really cannot understand this question. It is mentioned that they were there.
CeeGee 11:52, 6 May 2024 (UTC)reply
@
CeeGee: It's a style issue. The phrase uses two references, both of which presumably verify that canaries lived there. From how they are used, I gather that the first one specifies a fact not mentioned in the former: the (rough) number of canaries; presumably, the other one doesn't go into that level of detail, but specifies how they got there ("raised to live in etc."). Is this how the sources are used, or is this this another case of just randomly adding citations to various parts of a phrase?
Dahn (
talk) 19:06, 7 May 2024 (UTC)reply
@
Dahn: Thank you for your attention. The citations were mismatched. I fixed it now.
CeeGee 10:12, 8 May 2024 (UTC)reply
@
CeeGee: Not really. I verified myself, and it gets really weird: both sources actually cite both facts (the number of canaries, and how they got in the building), so prima facie it makes absolutely no sense to not add them both as citations to the end of the phrase (this is the "sloppy referencing" I mentioned -- I don't understand why anyone would play eenie-meeny with references, randomly picking out what source to use for what fact (instead of checking all sources, for all facts). But then, get this: at least in that portion of the text, both sources are identical, because one is a likely mirror of the other, or because they plagiarized each other. This makes it even more absurd: two identical references, one of which would have to be redundant, but each used to source a different fact.
Dahn (
talk) 10:39, 8 May 2024 (UTC)reply
@
Dahn: are you happy for Alessandro57 to resume their review, or do you have further questions?
TSventon (
talk) 14:22, 9 May 2024 (UTC)reply
@
TSventon: The issue I raised above remains unaddressed by either the editor or the nominator (the latest edit simply switched the references around, which does not answer the objection). The weird use of sources/citations is prevalent in other parts of the article as well. Consider: "The building consists of five floors:[8] one cellar, three full floors and one half floor.[9]" How can source [9] not verify the fact verified by source [8], if it spells out the same number of floors?
Dahn (
talk) 14:27, 9 May 2024 (UTC)reply
@
Dahn: I think your post on 8 May was probably read as a comment, which did not need an answer. Could you list the remaining problems, ping CeeGee and tell them what you want them to do?
The original version of the article as translated from tr Wikipedia said "It consists of three full floors and one half floor.[4]" CeeGee (I think) has expanded that to the current version, adding "one cellar", which is not mentioned by source [9]. I am unsure whether the half floor is a semi-basement or a mezzanine, the pictures suggest that the building has four storeys including the towers plus a semi-basement.
TSventon (
talk) 15:17, 9 May 2024 (UTC)reply
@
CeeGee: Please make sure your copyedit addresses the issues I raised above: the sources need to be used consistently, of the two sources with the exact same text (for the canary factoid) only once must be selected, the disagreement in sources regarding the number of floors needs to be noted (if this indeed what has happened there). In general: if a fact is verified by several sources, the usage of references needs to change. It's not: "my dog has four legs,[1] one of which is darker than the other three[2]", but either: "my dog has four legs[1][2]. One is darker than the other three[2]", or "my dog has four legs, one of which is darker than the other three[2]".
Dahn (
talk) 15:45, 9 May 2024 (UTC)reply
CeeGee, I have another query. The article says "It is claimed that the house, also called the Bolulu Habip Bey Mansion, was financed by the black market trade in grain and bulgur, a cracked wheat foodstuff, during World War I.[1]" This seems to be based on the opening lines of ref #1. However ref #2 and ref #3 via Google translate do not mention the black market. The quote from ref #1 looks like a political editorial comment, how did you decide it was more reliable than the accounts in ref #2 and ref #3?
"Bulgur Palace, which Habib Bey allegedly had built by selling bulgur on the black market during the war years, is opening to the public almost 100 years later. It is as if the history of the mansion is also the history of the country."
[9] (ref #1) via Google translate.
An example from ref 2 "During this period, Mehmed Habib Bey, who was a Bolu deputy from the Committee of Union and Progress, made a great fortune from the grain and bulgur monopoly, and with the money he earned, he built the building, somewhat ironically known as 'Bulgur Palace' among the public."
[10] (ref #2). via Google translate.
"İttihat Terakki Bolu Mebusu Habib Bey’in bulgur vurgunundan kazandığı paralarla yaptırıldığı için Bulgur Palas olarak anılan konağın ardında ise derin acılar yatıyor."
[11]CeeGee 11:58, 6 May 2024 (UTC)reply
The article uses the term
black market, i.e. trading that violates laws or rules. "bulgur vurgunundan" Google translates as bulgur
profiteering, i.e. unethical but not necessarily illegal trading. That is an important difference in English, obviously the terms used in another language won't exactly correspond to those used in English. I would avoid black market unless I was sure it was justified.
TSventon (
talk) 12:13, 6 May 2024 (UTC)reply
I won't oppose to you. It may be better to use "profiteering" or "fortune from unfair trade". I guess you can formulate it better in that soft way.
CeeGee 05:25, 7 May 2024 (UTC)reply
I would suggest the easiest thing is to leave out black market. The source doesn't explain why Habib Bey's trading was black market and only uses the word in an 21st century context, rather than in the section about Habib Bey. An alternative would be to explain the context in more detail, but I would find that difficult as I don't speak Turkish or know much about Ottoman economic history.
TSventon (
talk) 11:02, 8 May 2024 (UTC)reply
@
Dahn: About the phrase with"canaries": I didn't know that difference in using references. Fixed it now. About the phrase with "floors": I tried to clarify it in two sentences. Please recheck.
CeeGee 10:32, 11 May 2024 (UTC)reply
I'm sorry,
CeeGee, but the way in which this article uses sources continues to be ridiculous. I fixed another such sophomoric use of the citations, but I'm bewildered by the sort of logic that went for instance in citing the very same fact, about Mogeri being the architect, twice in the text, each time with a different source. This is probably something that happened in other parts of the article, probably throughout -- judging from a quick glance at the text and the sources. I also noticed that several sources have authors clearly indicated in the link, yet they are not mentioned in the citation. I am sorry for burdening you with this task, but the article needs a deeper copyedit.
Dahn (
talk) 14:07, 11 May 2024 (UTC)reply
No problem as long as you have time. I tried to fix the "Mongeri"-issue. Since I cannot detect any others by myself, you may specify explicitly.
CeeGee 08:32, 12 May 2024 (UTC)reply
The article was nominated within the time scale and is long enough. Earwig suggests no copyright violation—a short quotation is properly attributed. The image is PD. QPQ stands at 4—not required. All references to which I have access check out, except "The Concorde's 74 minutes of totality remains the longest total eclipse observation." I couldn't find this in Hatherill (but it may be in Pappalardo, which I have taken on trust). Pappalardo is also the attribution for both hooks, so assuming GF. The "hold" may be quickly disposed of if Hatherill isn't used for "longest flight"
This is only my second DYK review—oversight welcome.
--
AntientNestor (
talk) 16:03, 29 April 2024 (UTC)reply
I have removed the Hatherill for longest flight. I did add a 2010 Wired article instead to try and back it up with a source that wasn't paywalled. (Grossman: "The longest totality ever observed by an experimental aircraft was 74 minutes, captured by a supersonic Concorde aircraft in 1973. .")
Samsmachado (
talk) 21:38, 1 May 2024 (UTC)reply
I did just go through this with Earwig, and actually there are a couple of phrases that need changing.--Launchballer 11:53, 30 April 2024 (UTC)reply
I just tweaked some of the phrases Earwig flagged. Mostly it's picking out attributed quotations and a few things that I would call broadly 'terms', in the sense that they can't really be re-worded because that's just what they are (ie. "four twin-spool Olympus 593 engines", " oxygen atoms in the Earth's atmosphere", "the path of a total solar eclipse"). Launchballer, if you have any specific concerns within those, please flag them.
Samsmachado (
talk) 21:36, 1 May 2024 (UTC)reply
5X expansion reverted because the added content was copyright protected.
David notMD (
talk) 02:31, 28 April 2024 (UTC)reply
Presumably safe to reject the nom for now then?
Juxlos (
talk) 05:33, 28 April 2024 (UTC)reply
Article has still been 5x expanded; it just now has empty sections, and so can't run per
WP:DYKCOMPLETE. Suggest giving
FranGallego33 some time to fill the gaps in their own words.--Launchballer 09:02, 28 April 2024 (UTC)reply
Confirming that only part of what FrabGallego33 added was reverted for copyright infringement. My mistake.
David notMD (
talk) 09:09, 28 April 2024 (UTC)reply
New reviewer needed.
Z1720 (
talk) 15:48, 10 May 2024 (UTC)reply
Source:
From NME: "But it was a later trip to LA in early 2023 where Chinouriri’s anxieties began to amplify. Emerging musicians often take trips to LA for writing sessions; some fly out four or so times a year, but visit for no more than a fortnight. Chinouriri, who has a fear of flying, elected to stay for five."
ALT1: ... that with her debut album What a Devastating Turn of Events,
Rachel Chinouriri aimed to tackle the underrepresentation of Black female artists in the
indie scene? Source:
From NME: "Chinouriri wants to recreate the visual and sonic aesthetics of that era on her debut. The noughties represents a period of her life where she was eagerly learning about British pop culture icons such as Alexa Chung, Oasis, The Libertines. Taking inspiration from this era is Chinouriri’s way to reclaim her position in British society and the indie scene, where Black womanhood is routinely ignored and misrepresented."
ALT2: ... that
Rachel Chinouriri decided to include the
English flag on the cover art of What a Devastating Turn of Events in order to celebrate her
Black British identity? Source:
From The Guardian: "Chinouriri, however, decided to use the St George’s Cross as an act of reclamation. 'For Black people and POC, that flag’s not something people are proud of,' she says, adding that some people around her discouraged her from using it on her album cover. But on her single 'The Hills', Chinouriri sings about rediscovering her British identity after feeling lonely during a period spent in Los Angeles. 'No matter the trauma I’ve had from being raised in the UK, being Black British and being the only Black person in my neighbourhood, it’s made me the person who I am,' she says. 'There is a culture within being Black British that is distinct and strong, and harbours creativity.' Using the flag is 'a celebration – taking back this thing and saying: you can’t get rid of me'."
Comment: Thank you to
QuietHere and all the people who took a look at this article! The album will actually be released next Friday, so I don't have any specific request for the date of publication. I must address that I've "recycled" my QPQ submission from
a previous entry of mine that was rejected (due to my big mistake): is that still OK?
Comment: Not a review, but I find ALT0 nothingburgery, and ALT2 would be more interesting if it read "Black British identity".--Launchballer 09:14, 28 April 2024 (UTC)reply
@
Launchballer: I agree on ALT2, so I've slightly edited it accordingly. Thanks for the feedback!
Oltrepier (
talk) 09:52, 28 April 2024 (UTC)reply
Interesting, well-sourced hooks that summarize the quotes well. Particularly, ALT1 and ALT 2 are the most interesting. This is my first review, so I'm not sure about the QPQ. Another review is needed.
Heidi Pusey BYU (
talk) 17:49, 10 May 2024 (UTC)reply
I'd be inclined to take Saturn as a QPQ, on the grounds that it hasn't been 'paid', i.e. 2024 NCAA Division I women's basketball championship game wasn't actually reviewed. The Professional ratings table interferes with the Track listing - any chance that section could be expanded?--Launchballer 18:00, 10 May 2024 (UTC)reply
@
Launchballer and
Heidi Pusey BYU: Thank you for the feedback! Yes, that section is definitely too short at the moment, and I'll try to work on it as soon as possible.
Oltrepier (
talk) 09:47, 11 May 2024 (UTC)reply
@
Launchballer: Done! This is the first time I edited an album article from scratch, so let me know if there's anything else I should fix!
Oltrepier (
talk) 12:04, 11 May 2024 (UTC)reply
... that Travis Clayton went from the eighth tier of English rugby league to being drafted into the National Football League, even though he never played in a football game?
Striking ALT1, as it does not contain the nominated article nor any reasonable place to link to it. You need a further 104 characters for this to become eligible.--Launchballer 15:16, 1 May 2024 (UTC)reply
Still needs another 42 characters. You should consider installing
WP:DYKcheck so you can check yourself.--Launchballer 17:05, 1 May 2024 (UTC)reply
Now added some stuff about the 2 types of ambilineal, which I may expand into there own sectrions at some point. Hows this now @
Launchballer: — Preceding
unsigned comment added by
Me Da Wikipedian (
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contribs)
How are you remembering to put my username in your comments and not- anyway, length requirement met. Full review needed.--Launchballer 20:33, 1 May 2024 (UTC)reply
It won't be me any time soon, I have a policy of doing my QPQs oldest first. Any other editor is free to review this in the interim.--Launchballer 07:33, 2 May 2024 (UTC)reply
The book notes: "The Eagles acquired the structure, remodelled it as a theater/hall, and now present a "Days of 98" show every summer, Alaska's longest running show."
The book quotes from The Days of '98 Show co-scriptwriter Steve Hites on page 167: "At this moment, a blank is fired off stage, and a loud report of the gunshot in the closed space of the theater sounds like a cannon going off. People jump, scream and yell in surprise, then laugh self-consciously: it’s perfect theater. The Narrator smiles knowingly at the audience and continues. “. . . And sent poor Soapy home.”"
Article is solid, meets DYK length and newness requirements, looks to be neutral and free of copyvio. Hook is interesting, but I'm nervous about using "high school" when the source uses "varsity" – could he have played JV in high school also?
BeanieFan11? ezlev (
user/
tlk/
ctrbs) 04:03, 8 May 2024 (UTC)reply
I've fixed this for you, but this does need a QPQ.--Launchballer 22:48, 6 May 2024 (UTC)reply
This is not a review but rather a comment, but I have some concerns about the hook. American football isn't that popular internationally, meaning the hook as currently written might have a limited appeal especially if non-American readers are unfamiliar with gridiron positions. Per
WP:DYKHOOKSTYLE a more understandable hook may be needed here.
Narutolovehinata5 (
talk ·
contributions) 09:03, 8 May 2024 (UTC)reply
People don't need to know what the positions actually mean; it's very clear that he was moved around a lot. Those who understand the concept of sports positions will understand that much, and that it's not typical. Reviewer still needed.
BlueMoonset (
talk) 18:47, 8 May 2024 (UTC)reply
The article is new enough and long enough. It is properly sourced. Earwig detects some close paraphrasing with
this site, so that will need to be resolved before the nomination can be approved. QPQ pending. The hook itself is interesting, but it's a little on the long side and I wonder if it could be simplified to simply:
ALT0a ... that when Daniela Kerck directed Giacomo Puccini's Turandot in 2024, she played the opera unfinished as it was when Puccini died in 1924?
I included Puccini's full name in the hook as he may not be a composer that is known by name among most readers unlike say Mozart or Beethoven. Apart from the close paraphrasing, my main concern with the article right now is the wording of the hook supporting sentences.
She directed Puccini's Turandot in her sets for the 2024 Internationale Maifestspiele, conducted by Yoel Gamzou. She decided to use none of the three completions of Puccini's opera that was unfinished when he died in 1924. She identified the Prince with the composer. When he died in the end, the beginning of his Requiem was performed.
It's a bit confusing to get how the hook is connected to this excerpt, though I think the issue here is more about wording, so a copyedit to make the article or at least the passage flow better might solve the issue. Pinging
4meter4 for help in copyediting the article so that the passage would more clearly support the hook. As an aside, the reference supporting the hook needs to be after "when he died in 1924" rather than after the mention of the Requiem.
I would also like to ask 4meter4 how significant Kerck's directing of this particular performance is or how significant the Internationale Maifestspiele is in the world of opera, but this would not affect the nomination but rather is just a request for additional context.
Narutolovehinata5 (
talk ·
contributions) 09:31, 8 May 2024 (UTC)reply
Didn't you say you review my nominations only when they have lingered for weeks? Kindly read the article about the festival, - it was founded after the model of the Bayreuth Festival in the 19th century.
Anna Netrebko came to sing Turandot during the festival.
[15][16] - Puccini is probably better known than Mozart due to La bohéme. --
Gerda Arendt (
talk) 13:16, 8 May 2024 (UTC)reply
@
Narutolovehinata5 The
Internationale Maifestspiele is a respected and long standing opera festival that draws a sizable international crowd (typically around 20,000 people+). It is one of the more important opera festivals in Germany, although it isn't as famous as the
Bayreuth Festival which is on another level and is probably the most famous opera festival in the world. The Internationale Maifestspiele would be known by anyone who follows opera seriously in Europe, and would probably be immediately recognizable to most people living in Germany, Austria, Switzerland, and parts of France (the German speaking parts along the French/German border). I don't think the average person outside of those countries would find it immediately recognizable, but that shouldn't preclude using it in the hook. Turandot is a very famous opera, and even people only nominally familiar with opera would probably either know the name or recognize some of its music. Most people would know
Nessun dorma for example which has played in the soundtracks of many films and tv shows, and has been performed on numerous singing competition programs internationally.
4meter4 (
talk) 17:13, 8 May 2024 (UTC)reply
The hook fact is not accurate in either version of the hook. The opera was not played "unfinished" but ends with the death of Liu by design. There's a long discussion with the director at
https://www.staatstheater-wiesbaden.de/download/42624/hsw_ph_turandot_rz_digital_240404.pdf about the crafting of a new ending by Kerck. If one reads through the program they make an argument about why the opera should end with Liu's death, and how Kerck utilized notes and sketches by Puccini to rework a new ending that ends in that place. In other words, we shouldn't suggest that the opera just leaves off where Puccini stopped, because that isn't what this production did. Nor should we call it "unfinished" because it was given a re-worked ending designed by Kerck based on notes left by Puccini and incorporating portions of Puccini's 1905 Requiem. I also note that it is called a "new ending" in the Frankfurter Rundschau review that is cited.
I also have an issue with the original hook because it seems to say she was 'directing through scenic design' as opposed to staging the production. She staged it and she designed the sets and that isn't at all clear in the first hook. Lastly, the article currently fails the
WP:BLPSOURCES guideline because the biographical content is sourced to an opera company website that employs Kerck. @
Gerda Arendt this is a repeating problem. Stop using opera company and orchestra website artist bios to write articles. These are not independent sources, and our policies on BLPs require "high quality" (ie independent) sources. That's not negotiable.
Finally, the last two sentences of the article are very confusing to anybody not familiar with Turandot, and is obviously in error to those who are. The character of the prince (ie Calaf) needs to be explained. Further the text asserts the prince dies and is being conflated with Puccini's death, but Calaf doesn't die in the opera, Liu does. That whole bit seems confusing and to be in error. It doesn't really grasp what the sources are saying accurately. There needs to be plot context, and discussion of the autobiographical nature of Puccini's interaction with the characters from events in his life in order to make it understood what Kerck was actually doing with her original ending which places Liu and her death (not the prince who remains very much alive) at the climax of the opera. @
Narutolovehinata5 If it is alright with you I am going to take over this review because of the factual errors in an area I have some knowledge in.
4meter4 (
talk) 16:45, 8 May 2024 (UTC)reply
4meter4, thank you for clarifying festival and opera. - The hook: it took you several sentences to describe what she did (direct, design the stage, create a new ending with different music than usually ...), - could you kindly offer a wording in 200 chars, or help with it? I think we will have to mention that Puccini left the opera unfinished when he died in 1924 (the year needed because of the centenary), which leaves little room to say more, - I doubt that it's commonly known. How about saying that the performance leaves out the happy ending that he wasn't able to compose? Trying:
ALT2: ... that Daniela Kerck, scenic designer and stage director of Puccini's Turandot for the 2024
Internationale Maifestspiele, omitted the happy ending that the composer had not set to music when he died in 1924?
ALT2a: ... that Daniela Kerck, scenic designer and stage director of Turandot at the 2024
Internationale Maifestspiele, omitted the happy ending that Puccini had not composed when he died in 1924?
Other ideas welcome. - Which "biographical information" do you think is sourced to an opera company? - This is not yet a reply to the last paragraph, - we had an edit conflict, twice. --
Gerda Arendt (
talk) 20:05, 8 May 2024 (UTC)reply
After edit conflict: what I saw on stage was that after Liu's death, the Prince/Puccini moves to the grand piano, Turandot follows, kisses him, and he dies (called "Todeskuss" - kiss of death - in one of the reviews), - the new ending. --
Gerda Arendt (
talk) 20:11, 8 May 2024 (UTC)reply
@
Gerda Arendt I think the tags I placed are self explanatory as to which sources are promotional non-independent sources. I'll take a look at the plot change leading to Calaf's death by looking through more sources. In reading the one interview with Kerck, she specifically emphasized Liu's death as her focus and pointedly named the Prince as complicit in her death through his silence. Regardless, it would seem killing off the prince at the end rather than having him end happily with Turandot would be a hooky fact. I think the emphasis of the hook should de-emphasize Puccini and focus more on Kerck and her original work. The hook language should not cram too many facts in, but should be a focused sentence on a single fact.
4meter4 (
talk) 21:42, 8 May 2024 (UTC)reply
I made some changes, adding sources, and dropping the details at the end that you found confusing. I added a newspaper ref for the nomination for the Opera Award. Only, it's subscription only, so I left the University ref for the same fact - that people can actually read - also. (I also don't see that what a university reports about an alumna is "promotional.") I need sleep, and tomorrow is a feast day. Patience please. --
Gerda Arendt (
talk) 21:57, 8 May 2024 (UTC)reply
@ Gerda, I was able to find more detail in this review which confirms the kiss of death
https://magazin.klassik.com/konzerte/reviews.cfm?TASK=review&PID=8178. I would suggest incorporating more detail into Kerck's article highlighting specific changes to the story between her ending and the other traditional endings. A good hook could read something like this: Alt3 ... that Daniela Kerck's new ending to Puccini's Turandot reenvisioned Turandot giving the prince the kiss of death rather than proclaiming her love?
4meter4 (
talk) 22:20, 8 May 2024 (UTC)reply
@
4meter4: I'm okay with you taking over the review, but given that Puccini isn't a household name and not everyone may know who he is, I'd suggest that any hook mentioning him give his full name. I'll leave it to another reviewer as to whether or not ALT3 is okay but personally I'm not a fan of it since it assumes knowledge of the opera, which not all readers may have. My preference would be more towards some variation of ALT2's hook fact as it seems less specialist.
Narutolovehinata5 (
talk ·
contributions) 02:59, 9 May 2024 (UTC)reply
@
Narutolovehinata5 I would consider Puccini a household name and a commonly known figure. He is a seminal composer in the western canon and one of the most performed and recorded composers of all time, on the same level as Mozart, Wagner, Verdi, Bach, etc. Indeed, he gets performed more frequently than Wagner,
placing third on the list of most performed composers, surpassing both Beethoven and Bach. I disagree that a full name is needed, or that Puccini could be considered in any way an obscure figure. His operas are ubiquitously performed globally and have been for over a century. According to opera base, in the year 2024 alone there are 681 different professional productions of his operas being staged around the world, and that includes companies in Asia, North and South America, Australia, Africa, and Europe. That doesn't include the many orchestras and concerts that are programing his music as well in 2024. There are very few composers so widely performed across the world, and over such a long period of time. I would think most of our readers would know who Puccini is, and if they don't, they would be the exception. His arias even get sung and recorded by pop and rock singers on occasion which is rare for an opera composer. For example "
Nessun dorma" from Turandot has been performed by
Adam Lambert,
Queen,
Jennifer Hudson,
Jeff Beck,
Josh Groban,
Manowar, and
Michael Bolton among many other non-opera singers.
4meter4 (
talk) 03:35, 9 May 2024 (UTC)reply
4meter4, thank you for taking the time! I'm off for the day but reading this when just checking the watch list made the day even better. Recommended listening
[17], enjoy! --
Gerda Arendt (
talk) 07:33, 9 May 2024 (UTC)reply
You of all people might have known that after returning from a good weekend trip, I first had to deal with the
RD article of the day, and then with sourcing
M. H.. I am not done (or am I, please check?), and before supplying a qpq, I'll have to source Kerck to your and 4meter4's liking, or not. What an opera company writes about its member is thought to be "promotional". Interesting. What I see is a list of roles. --
Gerda Arendt (
talk) 15:36, 13 May 2024 (UTC)reply
Yes,
Gerda Arendt. All work products/publications by a performing arts organization are intended as a tool of promotion as well as a tool for information. Opera companies/theatres are businesses and they have an invested interest in promoting their company/theatre and its performers in order to sell tickets. There is a commercial aspect to the performing arts, and the materials that an opera company/theatre produces for public consumption are directly connected to its commercial interests. This is why we should avoid using sources produced by theatres/opera companies as much as possible. Artist bios are written by talent management and PR companies. Most professional singers have a paid talent agent who specializes in marketing opera singers, and those agents often write the bios hosted on theatre/opera company websites. Or the opera company/theatre itself will have an in house PR/marketing staff member responsible for writing those materials. There is therefore, a direct COI with these kinds of sources because they are written as a marketing tool for commercial gain. When possible, its best not to use PR materials of this type for ethical reasons.
4meter4 (
talk) 15:53, 13 May 2024 (UTC)reply
I don't know what you normally read, but I see that Oper Frankfurt and Hessisches Staatstheater write their own bios, and their own high-class program books. - German opera houses in general are public institutions, financed mostly by tax money. --
Gerda Arendt (
talk) 16:04, 13 May 2024 (UTC)reply
Gerda, it's not a completely publicly funded institution. They sell tickets and market their organization. End of story. The fact that they are writing their own content makes it
WP:SELFPUBLISHED in addition to having a financial COI. We shouldn't be using materials like this other than in an external link for ethical reasons.
4meter4 (
talk) 17:05, 13 May 2024 (UTC)reply
@
GobsPint: - The weight fraud articles has been tagged by @
Lovkal:. This needs to be resolved. --
evrik(
talk) 19:30, 8 May 2024 (UTC)reply
Article all looks good to me: long enough, new enough, citations look good, and no plagiarism found. However, this hook doesn't sound quite grammatically correct to me. How about: ... that putting pre-moistened meat diapers in case-ready meat is a form of weight fraud?Luiysia (
talk) 17:02, 10 May 2024 (UTC)reply
Case-ready is jargon. Can it be replaced by pre-packaged?
—Femke 🐦 (
talk) 08:44, 11 May 2024 (UTC)reply
Comment: Could potentially be listed on 4 May (the anniversary of the contest) or 11 May (the date of the
2024 contest) if timescales for review are met
Song titles ignore stylisations per
MOS:TITLECAPS; for the hook, the song should be rendered "C U in da Ballpit". I'll leave it to you to update the article and the hook (most likely ALT0, as opinions can change).--Launchballer 14:56, 29 April 2024 (UTC)reply
@
Launchballer: I've made the fixes as requested. I also think ALT0 is the better of the two.
ThaesOfereode (
talk) 16:15, 29 April 2024 (UTC)reply
Love the hook, article is long enough, qualified at time of nomination, no copyvio concerns, adequate sourcing. Looks like the QPQ is still pending.
Spaghettifier (
talk) 21:02, 10 May 2024 (UTC)reply
@
AirshipJungleman29: I'm aware that QPQs are needed. I've been kind of overloaded recently but I should be able to get some done today (recently I wrote around 25 articles in just over a week, which drained most of my time).
BeanieFan11 (
talk) 15:25, 13 May 2024 (UTC)reply
... that cats are taken in procession around villages and splashed with water as part of a rain-making ritual at the end of the dry season in Cambodia and Thailand?
... that Claude Hamilton Verity, grandson of
Doncaster mayor Charles Verity, was one of the earlier pioneers of synchronisation of sound with silent films (advertisement pictured)?
ALT1: ... that
navvyCharles Verity, who became a wealthy contractor and mayor of
Doncaster, was grandfather of Claude Hamilton Verity an early inventor of synchronous sound with silent films (advertisement pictured)? Source: As above for being grandfather of the inventor. For the rise of Charles Verity, see
The Doncaster Review, November 1896
QPQ: - Not done Overall: Article reached Good Article status within 7 days of nomination. Article has no problems with prose, sourcing, and neutrality. The hook is good. Nominator just needs to do a QPQ and it'll all be set.
lullabying (
talk) 02:54, 5 May 2024 (UTC)reply
@
PSA: Please provide a QPQ or this nomination may be rejected.
Z1720 (
talk) 15:26, 10 May 2024 (UTC)reply
I'd like to see a more internationally appealing hook than the current one because the hook to me isn't exactly impressive or eye-catching (it basically says that Soberano played a role, which is her job).
Narutolovehinata5 (
talk ·
contributions) 09:08, 8 May 2024 (UTC)reply
... that Indonesian politician Sanusi's parents discouraged him from becoming a government employee citing government duties on alcohol and prostitutes? Source:
[18]: "Saat mau diangkat menjadi Pegawai Negeri Sipil (PNS), Sanusi sempat dilarang orang tuanya dan kyainya. Alasannya, gaji PNS itu hukumnya syubhat. Yakni istilah di dalam Islam menyatakan tentang keadaan yang samar tentang kehalalan atau keharaman dari sesuatu yang diterimanya. 'Menurut orang tua saya dan kyai saya, gaji PNS yang bersumber dari APBD bercampur uang halal dan haram. Kyai saya dalam perspek hukum Islam bahwa uang yang di dalam APBD itu, bercampur uang restribusi dari minuman keras (miras) dan lokalisasi porstitusi atau wanita pekerja seks (WPS), sedangkan uang yang halal yakni dari pajak."
Article length is fine (2823 chars), age is good (created 30 April), no copyvio or plagiarism concerns (image is PD), reasonable sources are used (my Indonesian is tak baik but at least I recognize most of the newspapers etc). The red link for
Rendra Kresna in the lead is not great, but I don't believe there's a strict DYK policy against this. However, the proposed hook is unclear as written, since the English word "duties" can mean both taxes (pajak) or responsibility (tugas). How about "...parents discouraged him from becoming a government employee, because his salary would be paid partly from taxes on alcohol and prostitution?" (And changing the line in the article as well.)
Jpatokal (
talk) 05:23, 13 May 2024 (UTC)reply
The spoked wheel on the front alters the weight distribution between road and rail wheels
... that early locomotives using the Larmanjat guided rail system had an extra operator at the front (pictured) to adjust the weight distribution between the road wheels and the rail wheels?
Source:
[19], page 100: The mechanic may alter the proportion of the adhesion between the wheels on the rail and the wheels on the road (original in French).
ALT1: ... that in 1873 the Larmanjat guided rail system was successfully demonstrated at
Buckhurst Hill, England, but the system failed completely when used commercially in
Lisbon? Source: The Times 31 December 1872 page 4: A section of line on the proposed system had been laid down at Buckhurst Hill and an engine and rolling stock worked over it in the most satisfactory manner. But:
[20] page 575: Law report from Court of Chancery, London, that the company formed for the Lisbon tramways had completely failed in its undertaking.
ALT2: ... that on the locomotives using the Larmanjat guided rail system the driving wheels were loose on the axle and the tractive force was transferred through wound-up springs? Source:
[21]Engineering (magazine) 20 May 1870 page 354: "The driving wheels are not connected rigidly to the axle but are connected with it by spiral springs."
... that the destruction of the Richmond Theatre by fire in 1811 (pictured) has been described as "early America's first great disaster"?
Source: Baker, Meredith Henne (2012). The Richmond Theater Fire: Early America's First Great Disaster.
LSU Press.
ISBN9780807143742. Hook fact is in the book's title
Interesting substantial article on four theatres (theaters?) and the life on their stages, on fine sources, no copyvio obvious. The image is licensed and a good illustration. I will approve the hook if you want, but beg you to consider that we had a similar one for the separate article on that fire, in 2010. I found interesting that three of the four buildings burnt down, which would also include that the name doesn't mean only one. Suggestions for the article (not needed for approval), and actually for any article: mark upright images "upright", have images right unless a face looks to the right, add an infobox. --
Gerda Arendt (
talk) 23:28, 13 May 2024 (UTC)reply
Source:
USA Today - "From Larry Bird to Paul Pierce to Kevin Garnett to Jayson Tatum − and everyone in between − the one constant over the past 43 years for the team was play-by-play announcer Mike Gorman."
Overall: The article pre-expansion was 1,418 bytes, which means that the expansion needs to exceed 7,090 bytes. As of now, it seems that it is approximately ~6,400 bytes. Can anything else be added to the article, @
Aria1561:?
BeanieFan11 (
talk) 02:39, 11 May 2024 (UTC)reply
@
BeanieFan11: Based on what
WP:DYKLEN says, only the prose size is considered when determining DYK eligibility, not article byte size or total character length including the lead. The prose size prior to expansion was 1,028 characters and currently the prose size stands at 5,363 characters based on a manual calculation, which is over five times the pre-expansion size.
Aria1561 (
talk) 02:53, 11 May 2024 (UTC)reply
The Lycus valley at the Theodosian walls looking north
... that on 29 May 1453 the Ottomans penetrated
Constantinople from the Lycus valley (pictured)?
Source: This part of the walls is the most vulnerable...since here the fortifications descend in the valley of the Lycus...it was this section of the wall that was finally breached...on the morning of 29 May 1453. Freely (1991), p. 279
Overall: Article reached Good Article status within 7 days of nomination. QPQ is done. Image licensing is fine. The references look reliable and basic facts can be verified online, though I wish a more typical referencing format was used. I do recommend that the nominator adds some online, English-language references to complement the books and the two Turkish online sources used in the article.
The hook is cited within the article, although it is a little difficult to find - if it is the most important historical fact about this river, then it should be mentioned in the lead and preferably described as a sub-section, rather than mentioned in a single line by the end. For the hook itself, I think that the date isn't so important, and the strategic aspect should be emphasized more. Suggested wording: ... that weak defences around the Lycus valley played a pivotal role in the
Fall of Constantinople?InformationToKnowledge (
talk) 23:28, 10 May 2024 (UTC)reply
... that Peter Demetz, born in Prague where he was persecuted under the Nazis and escaped the Communist regime in 1949, taught German literature at
Yale University from 1956 to 1991? Source: several
... that Peewee Jarrett went from having no offers to play
college football, a two-year span with no playing time, and being "set on quitting football", to signing into the National Football League?
Source: Eshel, Hanan; Zissu, Boaz (2019). "The Refuge Caves". The Bar Kokhba Revolt: The Archaeological Evidence. Jerusalem: Yad Izhak Ben-Zvi. pp. 62–64. ISBN 978-965-217-429-1
ALT1: ... that over 30 refuge caves, where Jewish families sought shelter from the Roman army during the
Bar Kokhba revolt, were discovered in the
Judaean Desert? Source: Eshel, Hanan; Zissu, Boaz (2019). "The Refuge Caves". The Bar Kokhba Revolt: The Archaeological Evidence. Jerusalem: Yad Izhak Ben-Zvi. pp. 62–64. ISBN 978-965-217-429-1
No problem, I probably won’t be able to have the QPQ finished for a bit anyways.
B3251 (
talk) 09:42, 2 May 2024 (UTC)reply
Long enough, new enough, very well cited - not surprising given it's on the national news every day. QPQ and it's good to go.
Maury Markowitz (
talk) 15:37, 2 May 2024 (UTC)reply
@
Maury Markowitz: QPQ added, it's been getting absolutely ripped to shreds in ITN noms so I'm not sure if I need to wait for it to be closed or not, but it is not being promoted there lol. Thanks for the review,
B3251 (
talk) 16:16, 2 May 2024 (UTC)reply
@
B3251: It can’t be promoted at the present state it’s still technically pending nomination to appear as a bold link on the main page. I think the best course of action for you if you believe that the ITN nom is totally hopeless is to withdraw the ITN nom and just focus on DYK instead, unless you want to bet on the extremely low chance that the consensus at ITN somehow drastically changes. Scientia potentia est, MonarchOfTerror 16:56, 2 May 2024 (UTC)reply
@
B3251: You do it by just closing the discussion as normal, just put withdrawn in the result parameter. However it seems that the nomination has already been closed by another editor, so there’s no need to do that now. The DYK can be promoted now. Scientia potentia est, MonarchOfTerror 17:27, 2 May 2024 (UTC)reply
@
MonarchOfTerror: Thanks, but it seems that it was already closed. The editor who closed it also setup an AfD, so I'm not totally sure how this DYK can go.
B3251 (
talk) 17:29, 2 May 2024 (UTC)reply
@
B3251: I did not see the AfD nomination. So it looks like this DYK nom has to go on hold regardless, since we have to wait for the AfD to end first since articles nominated for AfD/merging can’t be promoted. Scientia potentia est, MonarchOfTerror 17:32, 2 May 2024 (UTC)reply
Comment: QPQ to come soon; hoping
WP:IAR can be applied for this nom. I think this can be a silly/quirky hook, so open to ALT hooks/phrasing as well to accentuate the quirkiness of it. Moved both pages to mainspace on May 4, so a few hours shy on the 7-day week limit. Just get busy offline and also on Wikipedia and lose track of the time tbh. Sorry about that.
Soulbust (
talk) 01:51, 12 May 2024 (UTC)reply
Moved to mainspace by
Soulbust (
talk).
Number of QPQs required: 2. Nominator has 35 past nominations.
... that in 2024, C. J. Hanson became the first player from his school to be chosen in the
NFL draft since 1989, and the team that chose him also chose the previous player?
Source:
Kansas City Star ("He’s the first player from Holy Cross selected in the NFL Draft since the Chiefs selected linebacker Rob McGovern in 1989")
Not interesting and a coatrack, since Huasun is surely not the person who made these decisions. (
t ·
c) buidhe 00:07, 7 May 2024 (UTC)reply
@
Buidhe: As Qin represented his country in the UNSC, he made the decision based on his country's political position. However, prior to 2011, China's vetoes in the UNSC were rare and only four times
[22] were it used prior to the start of the 21st century. Since the mentioned vetoes were related to sending peacekeeping troops, it might be interesting as the users would look into the article to see why the peacekeeping resolutions were vetoed. However, if you any ideas for another hook in the article or if I should modify it in a certain phrasing, I am happy to consider that. -
Toadboy123 (
talk) 09:12, 7 May 2024 (UTC).reply
Yes, I know how the UN works. Certainly the hook phrasing makes it sound like a coatrack. Frankly not all articles are suited for DYK and this one may not be. Peacekeeping is not inherently dull but UN resolutions can be, especially if there is no real information what the vote is really about. Furthermore, the article as it stands does not qualify due to sourcing. (
t ·
c) buidhe 13:23, 7 May 2024 (UTC)reply
@
Buidhe: Is there anything that I should do to improve the article such as adding more reliable sources or expanding the information regarding the reasons of the vetoed resolutions so that the article can be featured in DYK ? Or does the article does not have the information much needed for the DYK? I can improve the article based on your suggestions but if you feel there is no room for it in DYK then you can cancel this nomination. -
Toadboy123 (
talk) 02:26, 7 May 2024 (UTC).reply
@
Buidhe: I have added detailed information on the vetoed UN resolutions. Let me know if anything more has to be done. -
Toadboy123 (
talk) 06:56, 8 May 2024 (UTC).reply
Since I have not heard any response from the previous reviewer, can a new reviewer check the updates to the hook I made and if it is good to go? -
Toadboy123 (
talk) 03:59, 15 May 2024 (UTC).reply
Source: Several examples in the article, including Coughlin, No More Jellyfish (2008), p. 101: "Many believers were given what's called worm theology. The name comes from the Isaac Watts hymn "Alas! And Did My Saviour Bleed," one line of which says, "Would He devote that sacred head for such a worm as I?"
Reviewed:
Created by
Mystery Merrivale (
talk).
Number of QPQs required: 0. Nominator has less than 5 past nominations.
... that the El-Jai cave in the
Judaean Desert, located in the modern-day
West Bank, was used by Jewish refugees escaping the Roman army circa 135 CE? Source: Eshel, H. (2003). Documents of the First Jewish Revolt from the Judean desert. In The First Jewish Revolt: Archaeology, History, and Ideology. Routledge. p. 158
ALT1: ... that a hoard discovered in the El-Jai cave contained both
Bar Kokhba and
Aelia Capitolina coins, suggesting that the city was founded and had begun minting coins before the
Bar Kokhba revolt erupted? Source: Hofman, Miriam Ben Zeev (2019). "Eusebius and Hadrian's Founding of Aelia Capitolina in Jerusalem". Electrum. 26: 120. doi:10.4467/20800909el.19.007.11210. ISSN 1897-3426.
Source:
Immediate source and
the primary source linked in that article: "The story takes place in Steam Bison, America. There, the power of highly advanced steam engines has ushered in a new world, greatly surpassing even London’s technological development."
If that hook isn't suitable, I'm not sure what else would make for a good hook in the article.
Suntooooth, it/he (
talk/
contribs) 19:51, 5 May 2024 (UTC)reply
ALT1 won't work either, because hooks must not be likely to change, and 'will' will date.--Launchballer 23:18, 5 May 2024 (UTC)reply
@
Launchballer: The game isn't releasing until 2025 and no main entries are planned to release before it, so I don't see how this is an issue - if this hook is promoted, it'll definitely be before 2025. I've seen other hooks use "will" for something that'll be happening in the future, but not within the time it takes for the DYK process to complete.
Suntooooth, it/he (
talk/
contribs) 23:24, 5 May 2024 (UTC)reply
really says everything that has to be said, in less space.
RoySmith(talk) 13:27, 14 May 2024 (UTC)reply
I think that it is unusual-and it is very unusual-is the hooky bit. It's a short hook anyway.
Johnbod (
talk) 14:25, 14 May 2024 (UTC)reply
The point of a hook is to be short and sweet, and leave just a little mystery, enticing the reader to click through to the article. There's no need to tell people this is a religious subject, that's obvious from the title of the painting. And there's no need to tell them it's unusual, the fact that there's a dog speaks for that itself.
RoySmith(talk) 15:16, 14 May 2024 (UTC)reply
Dubious - gaming/superhero culture is chock full of angels with no religious context at all, & I'm sure vast numbers of our readers have no opinion at all on the frequency with which dogs appear in Christian religious art.
Johnbod (
talk) 15:36, 14 May 2024 (UTC)reply
Animal stereotypes of Jews in Palestinian discourse
This proposal is simply outrageous and Wikipedia should not stoop so low as to advertise this sort of thing. Regarding the requirement of "well-sourced and neutral", the article is under serious dispute over its neutrality.
Zerotalk 13:04, 13 May 2024 (UTC)reply
1. Not a serious dispute, and it will be resolved long before the reviewers will get to this DYK suggestion weeks from now.
2. Wikipedia "stooped so low" as to publish this in DYK on March 28:"... that Aaron Bushnell said that his action of setting himself on fire was less extreme than "what people have been experiencing in Palestine at the hands of their colonizers". What's the difference?
Vegan416 (
talk) 15:08, 13 May 2024 (UTC)reply
1. On the contrary, the dispute is deep and serious, making the article unstable. It definitely will not be allowed to remain in its present state. 2. While I would not have submitted the Bushnell proposal, the fact that Vegan can't see the difference between a political statement and hatred of an ethnic group is telling.
Zerotalk 08:43, 14 May 2024 (UTC)reply
Not at all. The dispute is only about how to present the background. There is no dispute about the truth of the core facts presented in the article. And unless people would try to destabilize the article nefariously to disrupt the DYK process, it would naturally stabilize long before it reaches the DYK reviewers a few weeks from now. And Zero still hasn't explained what is "outrageous" here. This is a true fact. Why should it be censored?
Vegan416 (
talk) 09:58, 14 May 2024 (UTC)reply
... that one reviewer said that the VR real-time strategy game Homeworld: Vast Reaches is an "unsatisfying lite" version of
the series?
Source: "Homeworld: Vast Reaches is less a virtual reality reinvention of this legendary space RTS than it is an unsatisfying lite version for the Meta Quest 2 and 3."
[23]
ALT1: ... that the
mixed reality mode in the
real-time strategy virtual reality game Homeworld: Vast Reaches allows virtual ships to fly around the player's room? Source: "I was impressed by the unexpected ease of playing the game, but I wasn’t blown away until we switched over to Mixed Reality. In Passthrough Mode on the Quest 3, the blackness of outer space disappears, replaced with the real-life environment you’re physically in. Suddenly, the hotel room where I demoed the game became the setting of a thrilling dogfight. A bomber swooped in front of the TV set while enemy ships soared over the bed. It was quite a sight, but it was also very confusing."
[24]
Comment: Prefer ALT1, but it's tough to make it work with
WP:DYKFICTION – I've attempted to thread the needle here. If I need more ALTs, happy to pull them.
evrik, I don't think either hook is a good April Fools' candidate. I'm not sure I'd even use either as quirky.
BlueMoonset (
talk) 20:05, 8 May 2024 (UTC)reply
Better. Full review needed.--Launchballer 14:05, 7 May 2024 (UTC)reply
evrik, I do not have full access to El Pais. Can you recheck the second paragraph of Background, the one on San Sebastián, to make sure that text is supported? Either way, I suggest adding more details from El Pais. The detail will help the article and provide good hooks. Sparks flying 1.5m from 30 running metal fire bulls; that's a hook.
CMD (
talk) 14:57, 11 May 2024 (UTC)reply
CMD, I put the
text here. The point may be moot as that section just got reorganized when I fixed the links. "
Sparks flying 1.5 meters (4 ft 11 in) from 30 running metal
fire bulls" - I'm thinking about it. --
evrik(
talk) 16:17, 11 May 2024 (UTC)reply
^Shaw, R., Y. Luo, T. S. Cheong, S. Abdul Halim, S. Chaturvedi, M. Hashizume, G. E. Insarov, Y. Ishikawa, M. Jafari, A. Kitoh, J. Pulhin, C. Singh, K. Vasant, and Z. Zhang, 2022:
Chapter 10: Asia. In
Climate Change 2022: Impacts, Adaptation and Vulnerability [H.-O. Pörtner, D. C. Roberts, M. Tignor, E. S. Poloczanska, K. Mintenbeck, A. Alegría, M. Craig, S. Langsdorf, S. Löschke, V. Möller, A. Okem, B. Rama (eds.)]. Cambridge University Press, Cambridge, United Kingdom and New York, New York, US, pp. 1457–1579 |doi=10.1017/9781009325844.012.
Source: Cheney, Edna Dow (2010). Louisa May Alcott: Her Life, Letters, and Journals. Carlisle, Massachussetts, USA: Applewood Books. ISBN 978-1-4290-4460-8. “Went for some weeks to the Bellevue, and wrote ‘A Modern Mephistopheles’ for the No Name Series. It has been simmering ever since I read Faust last year. Enjoyed doing it, being tired of providing moral pap for the young.” (Page 296)
Sanderson, Rena (1991). "A Modern Mephistopheles: Louisa May Alcott's Exorcism of Patriarchy". American Transcendental Quarterly. 5 (1): 41–55. ProQuest 1302638905. “After the book’s completion, Alcott commented in her journal that she ‘enjoyed doing it, being tired of providing moral pap for the young.’” (Page 41)
ALT1: ... that
Louisa May Alcott wrote A Modern Mephistopheles as part of an anonymous series in which readers were meant to guess the author? Source: Cheney, Edna Dow (2010). Louisa May Alcott: Her Life, Letters, and Journals. Carlisle, Massachussetts, USA: Applewood Books. ISBN 978-1-4290-4460-8. “‘A Modern Mephistopheles’ was written among the earlier volumes of the No Name Series, when the chief idea of the authors was to puzzle their readers by disguising their style as much as possible, that they might enjoy the guessing and criticism as each novel appeared. This book was very successful in preserving its incognito; and many persons still insist that it could not have been written by the author of ‘Little Women.’” (Cheney 379, quoting Louisa May Alcott)
... that according to second-century AD Greek rhetorician
Athenaeus, the
Phoenicians used a flute-like instrument called the gingras in their mourning rituals, that produced a shrill and mournful tone? Source:
Athenaeus, Deipnosophistae4.174
ALT2: ... that according to the second-century AD Greek rhetorician
Athenaeus, the
Phoenicians played a flute-like instrument known as the gingras, which produced a shrill and mournful tone? Source:
Athenaeus, Deipnosophistae4.174
Overall: An interesting article on a little-known ancient instrument. The date of creation, length and references are correct (AGF on offline sources), and the qpq has been done. The article relies heavily on primary sources, but these are only quoted, not interpreted, so that's good. We have a staggering 49% earwigs score, but this is due to the copied fragment. Anyway, I think that you should mention who is the translator of these fragments, before I declare the article plagiarism free. The phrase about "Athenian banquets" is repeated, one of the two occurrences should be paraphrased. The hook is cited, but is rather long, I think it should be shortened and - above all - the language should be made more fluid. Regarding the "surviving ancient snippets", I understand what you mean, but it should be better explained for the reader: adding some context would help. Cheers,
Alex2006 (
talk) 07:08, 9 May 2024 (UTC)reply
Hi @
Alessandro57: thanks for the review. I have added both translators and the date of publication of the Atheneus translations, and removed the redundancy you pointed out. i have also added two alternative hooks. I will also try to introduce the "snippets" section.
el.ziade (
talkallam) 10:12, 10 May 2024 (UTC)reply
Source: Анна Владимировна Сыченкова. Отечественная историография партии левых социалистов-революционеров (интернационалистов). Изд-во Казанский государственный технический университет, 2006. pp. 18-19
Source: Richie, D.; Midorikawa, Y. (2015).
The Inland Sea. Stone Bridge Press. p. 190.
ISBN978-1-61172-916-0. Retrieved 2024-05-12. "The old town of Mitarai lies at the eastern tip of the island of Osakishimojima [...] an entire teahouse, the Waka Ebisu-ya, the largest chaya in the Inland Sea, which in its time housed a hundred girls, where Hosokawa, the daimyo of Kumamoto, spent a thousand gold pieces in one night"
I'll take a look. Schwede66 23:13, 13 May 2024 (UTC)reply
Article is new and neutral. Earwig is clean. It's technically long enough at 1700 kB of prose, but it is marked with a stub tag and I consider that the correct assessment as it does feel stubby. DYK does not run stubs, though. The article uses bare URLs and that's not good enough for DYK. There are several unreferenced paragraphs and that's a showstopper. Hook fact is referenced, checks out, and is interesting. The photo is freely licensed but not overly interesting. Overall, this feels like a work in progress; it's nowhere near ready for DYK in its current state. Schwede66 23:33, 13 May 2024 (UTC)reply
Source: Lihl, Franz; Ettmayer, Peter; Kutzelnigg, Alfred (1962). "Beitrag zum System Mangan-Stickstoff" [Report on the manganese-nitrogen system]. Zeitschrift für Metallkunde (in German). 53 (11).
DeGruyter: 715.
doi:
10.1515/ijmr-1962-531104; also comparison between Prelinger, Otto (10 May 1894).
"Über Stickstoffverbindungen des Mangans" [On the nitrogen compounds of manganese] (PDF). Monatshefte für Chemie und verwandte Teile anderer Wissenschaften (in German): 391–401 and Mekata Mamoru; Haruna Junsuke; Takaki Hideo (July 1968) [29 Jan 1968]. "Neutron diffraction study of antiferromagnetic Mn2N". Journal of the Physical Society of Japan. 23 (1): 234–238.
doi:
10.1143/JPSJ.25.234.
ALT1: ... that no binary manganese nitride salts are known with manganese oxidized past +3, but the stablest nitridomanganate ion is a manganese(V) derivative? Source: Niewa, R. (2002) [21 Aug 2001]. "Nitridocompounds of manganese". Z. Kristallogr. 217. Munich: Oldenbourg Wissenschaftsverlag: 8–23.
doi:
10.1524/zkri.217.1.8.20801.
ALT2: ... that many manganese nitride compounds are known, but only one is a
ferromagnet? Source: Gokcen, N. A. (1990). "The Mn-N (manganese-nitrogen) system". Bulletin of Alloy Phase Diagrams. 11 (1): 33–42.
doi:
10.1007/bf02841582.
Comment: This is quite a dense article, so I thank the reviewer in advance for their time and hard work in reading through it! I want to reiterate, as I had for
Ryoko Kui's nomination, for any admin comes across this, I still haven't received
the 25 DYK Creation and Expansion Medal yet, at 28 hooks, so if anyone can go through with it, it would be greatly appreciated!
Created by
Ornithoptera (
talk).
Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 31 past nominations.
Overall: The article is well-written and well-sourced. Just two small recommendations: I think Puella Magi Madoka Magica and Cardcaptor Sakura can be mentioned in the hook to make it more interesting, but that's up to you. If you want to retain the current hook, then I think the term "magical girl anime" should be linked. Also, I noticed that Paper Mag was linked in one of the sources, but the other websites in the sources were left in black. It may be worth considering consistency by either linking all the websites or not linking them at all. Prince of Erebor(
The Book of Mazarbul) 11:08, 14 May 2024 (UTC)reply
I thoroughly enjoyed reading this article, although not quite enough to violate my policy of doing my QPQs oldest first. I will say that this article is being edited a lot and is probably not stable. For now, I recommend ALT0a: ... that
McDonald's Vietnam was
boycotted after appropriating a slogan by a recently deceased Chinese gamer?--Launchballer 15:47, 10 May 2024 (UTC)reply
ALT1: ...that a Chinese gamer named Fat Cat tragically died by suicide after transferring a large sum of money to his girlfriend, who wished to end their relationship? — Preceding
unsigned comment added by
TheGreatPeng (
talk •
contribs)
I'd lose 'tragically' for concision, but I'll let a reviewer make that choice. Full review needed.--Launchballer 18:38, 10 May 2024 (UTC)reply
ALT2: ...that when people ordered fast food
takeout to commemorate
Fat Cat's suicide, multiple restaurants didn't bother to include food in the deliveries? (assuming this is supported by Ma, Diming. He, Ruiming (ed.).
"祭奠"胖猫"反映世道人心,但外卖真的可以不送了" [Memorial to 'Fat Cat' Reflects the People' Will, But Takeout Really Should be Stopped]. The Beijing News (in Simplified Chinese). Retrieved 8 May 2024 and Zhu, Yuanxiang (4 May 2024).
"祭奠"胖猫"的外卖出现空包或注水,五家餐饮连锁品牌致歉" [Five Restaurant Chains Apologize for Empty or Watered-down Takeaways in Memory of 'Fat Cat']. The Paper (in Simplified Chinese). Retrieved 8 May 2024)
Bernanke's Crossbow (
talk) 23:49, 10 May 2024 (UTC)reply
Hooks must not contain redirects or contractions, although to be fair that's probably not far off the hook I would have suggested. For concision, I suggest ALT2a: ... that when people ordered fast food
take-out to commemorate
Fat Cat's suicide, multiple restaurants delivered empty packages?--Launchballer 08:20, 11 May 2024 (UTC)reply
I just want to point out that the linked source says "almost broke the internet", which is an important qualifier; other sources in the article such as
[25][26] say simply "broke the internet", so perhaps one of them should be used for this hook reference.
Ligaturama (
talk) 08:00, 12 May 2024 (UTC)reply
... that birds have greater species richness than mammals, while they are relatively more uniform in morphology?
Source: Minelli, Alessandro (2019). Biodiversity, disparity and evolvability: "In terms of species number, birds are more diverse than mammals (some 10,000 vs. ca. 5600 extant species worldwide), but are instead quite more uniform in terms of morphology, reproductive biology and developmental schedules."
Reviewed: I have less than 5 past nominations.
Moved to mainspace by
Interaccoonale (
talk).
Number of QPQs required: 0. Nominator has less than 5 past nominations.
Comment: I haven't found a strict criterion so far that dictates that the nominator should be the creator of the article, but if I'm wrong, please let me know.
Converted from a redirect by
Floppykart (
talk) (nominated by
Pollosito (
talk)).
Number of QPQs required: 0. Nominator has less than 5 past nominations.
Not a review, more for your information than anything else. There is no criterion that says the nominator should be the creator, but if you're asserting that it meets all DYK criteria, then it's on you to make sure that it does.--Launchballer 20:51, 14 May 2024 (UTC)reply
It's not immediately obvious what you're talking about, and you should make it clear where this "Davidson County" place is for people who won't realize it's in North Carolina, USA. So ...
I also wonder if you were able to find any explanation for this in your research. I think it's been noted elsewhere as the only significant place in the US with LHT. And maybe we should put that in the intro.
Daniel Case (
talk) 05:17, 14 May 2024 (UTC)reply
Hmmm... I suppose that works. I'm just a little unsure about what hook exactly to choose. Yeah, I'll probably place it in the intro.
NoobThreePointOh (
talk) 09:12, 14 May 2024 (UTC)reply
ALT1: ... that breast cancer patients became a primary patient population for nurse navigation after Lillie Shockney reported the impact of the program at Johns Hopkins Hospital? Source:
https://www.myamericannurse.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/12/an12-Oncology-Navigtion-1201.pdf "Breast cancer navigation became a primary patient population focus of nurse navigation when Lillie Shockney, MAS, BS, RN, publicized her success at the Johns Hopkins Hospital in Baltimore, Maryland, where she helped increase appointment completions, improve timeliness of care, and expedite chemotherapy start time by 2 weeks."
ALT1: ... that the Vinland Saga anime series took liberties from the manga to properly show Thorfinn's transformation into a Viking as new scenes were added? Source: [2]
ALT2: ... that for the second season of Vinland Saga there was a proper attempt to humanize the slave Thorfinn in contrast to the benevolent owner Ketil who becomes more violent the more he appears? Source: [3]
Reviewed:
Created by
Tintor2 (
talk).
Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 18 past nominations.
ALT1: ... that in high school, lacrosse player Caitlyn Wurzburger(pictured) tallied more than 100 goals and 100 assists in four different seasons? Source: Sports Illustrated (e.g.), and individual years cited
ALT2: ... that Herschel was actually a series of sea lions in the 1980s and 1990s? Source: Gammon, Katharine. "Herschel, the Very Hungry Sea Lion". Hakai Magazine
Comment: I use
Chuck Norris facts in ALT0 as my quirky way of telling readers that he plays a hero in the film, while ALT1 is merely a word-for-word hook derived from the THR source's title indicating that all three principal actors have joined the cast
Created by
Nineteen Ninety-Four guy (
talk).
Number of QPQs required: 0. Nominator has less than 5 past nominations.
Reviewing... (I haven't heard a Chuck Norris meme in years) ~~
lol1VNIO (I made a mistake? talk to me) 17:29, 14 May 2024 (UTC)reply
Passed criteria: The article is new enough, long enough, not affected by DYK-eligibility problems, verifiable and NOR, copyvio-free with correctly attributed quotes. The hook is cited to RS, interesting, concise.
Remarks, @
Nineteen Ninety-Four guy: (1) I think the Premise section should be rewritten to not give undue weight to THR. (2) William Strong did not directly tell THR of the biohazard threads but rather told Mier who forwarded the story. (3) This might be a language issue from my part, but should the hook not be
as in the movie cannot flee/escape from Chuck Norris? Also, I removed the link to the
Chuck Norris facts article to add a little IYKYK. You are welcome to retain the original link. Best wishes, ~~
lol1VNIO (I made a mistake? talk to me) 18:15, 14 May 2024 (UTC); 18:34, 14 May 2024 (UTC)reply
@
Lol1VNIO: Thanks for taking this review. Your concerns have been addressed. I also welcome your minor revision on ALT0, which is more clear than the previous version, tho I think the decision whether to include that Norris fact wikilink is probably best left for a DYK prepper to decide.
Nineteen Ninety-Four guy (
talk) 21:45, 14 May 2024 (UTC)reply
Source: Kirwan, Guy M. (2021-08-18). Billerman, Shawn M.; Keeney, Brooke K.; Rodewald, Paul G.; Schulenberg, Thomas S. (eds.). "Satin Berrypecker (Melanocharis citreola)". Birds of the World. Cornell Lab of Ornithology. doi:10.2173/bow.satber1.01.
ALT1: ... that although specimens of the satin berrypecker(male pictured) were first collected in 2014, the species may have been observed as early as 1983? Source: Kirwan, Guy M. (2021-08-18). Billerman, Shawn M.; Keeney, Brooke K.; Rodewald, Paul G.; Schulenberg, Thomas S. (eds.). "Satin Berrypecker (Melanocharis citreola)". Birds of the World. Cornell Lab of Ornithology. doi:10.2173/bow.satber1.01.
ALT2: ... that the satin berrypecker(male pictured) is only the second species of bird to be described from New Guinea in the last 80 years? Source: Kirwan, Guy M. (2021-08-18). Billerman, Shawn M.; Keeney, Brooke K.; Rodewald, Paul G.; Schulenberg, Thomas S. (eds.). "Satin Berrypecker (Melanocharis citreola)". Birds of the World. Cornell Lab of Ornithology. doi:10.2173/bow.satber1.01.
... that the Armenian Radio jokes are neither about radio nor are they Armenian? Source: Draitser, Emil (1998). Taking penguins to the movies: ethnic humor in Russia. Humor in life and letters series. Detroit: Wayne State University Press. p. 21. ISBN 978-0-8143-2327-4.
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