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The result was redirect to Traction Labs. Consensus that this is not independently notable. Editors are now free to merge stuff from history and/or nominate Traction Labs for deletion too.  Sandstein  07:19, 6 August 2016 (UTC) reply

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Company has pivoted and changed names and focus. Also, page has been hijacked by a former employee. Kleubay ( talk) 23:58, 29 July 2016 (UTC) reply

  • Comment - @ Kleubay: - that sounds like an argument for bringing the article up to date (even if it's only a source clarifying that the company ceased operations/rebranded) rather than deleting. One of Wikipedia's principles is that if a company was notable once but no longer exists or has been renamed, the article should not be deleted but retained as a record of past events - that notability is not temporary. Can you clarify? Blythwood ( talk) 12:33, 30 July 2016 (UTC) reply
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I am actually willing for this (thus I change my vote) as I concur this other company, Traction Labs, certainly seems questionable and there seems to not be any otherwise actually convincing information there. SwisterTwister talk 04:23, 6 August 2016 (UTC) reply
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The result was delete. a suitable case for honoring the subject's wishes DGG ( talk ) 04:19, 6 August 2016 (UTC) reply

Constantia Oomen

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Individual does not appear to meet notability guidelines, maybe borderline at best. The author herself has requested deletion ( WP:BLPREQUESTDELETE) in the page history. Sro23 ( talk) 23:20, 29 July 2016 (UTC) reply

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  • Delete as I know I had encountered this recently but I'm not finding exactly where; by all means there's frankly nothing actually convincing and regardless I would've PRODed also, nothing actually substantial. SwisterTwister talk 07:37, 31 July 2016 (UTC) reply

- Yes, please delete, old and outdated. By author: Constantia Oomen (August 1, 2016) — Preceding unsigned comment added by ThroughTheWindow ( talk • contribs) 20:08, 1 August 2016 (UTC) reply

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The result was delete.  Sandstein  09:06, 6 August 2016 (UTC) reply

David Grossman (consultant)

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Basically still an advertorial job listing since DGG nominated in January, examining this found nothing at all substantially better apart from interviews, press releases, his own authored articles, trivial passing mentions and other unacceptable sources; my own searches have also mirrored this by noticeably finding only press releases and mentions. The 2 sources listed at the other AfD were simply interviews and nothing else convincing. That also seems to the basis here, "inheriting notability" from the listed notable news sources and even the "Keep" votes were either saying "they liked his work" (the article's author) or "the article is (quote) bloated, feels promotional, probably needs much trimming"....and there's summarily nothing to suggest confidently improving and keeping. SwisterTwister talk 22:57, 29 July 2016 (UTC) reply

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  • Delete - the considerable effort involved in wading through all the references was not rewarded in any way with any sense of notability. It reads like the work of a dutiful acolyte, although I guess that probably isn't so, but it is just a puff piece.   Velella   Velella Talk   00:04, 30 July 2016 (UTC) reply
  • Delete. No evidence of notability. Just a worthy but routine corporate person. Xxanthippe ( talk) 00:22, 30 July 2016 (UTC). reply
  • Keep Agree previous article was bloated with cruft and promotional junk but this has been removed as per WP:HEYMANN and fixed up, and Grossman is regarded as an expert in internal corporate communications -- that is the story -- the David Grossman of Freshii is different (if you google "David Grossman" and "Freshii" with images, you'll see a different face).-- Tomwsulcer ( talk) 00:24, 30 July 2016 (UTC) reply
While the changes may be noticeable, I'm still not seeing enough to convincingly suggest keeping. SwisterTwister talk 00:29, 30 July 2016 (UTC) reply
Where is the evidence that Grossman is regarded as an expert in internal corporate communications? Xxanthippe ( talk) 00:32, 30 July 2016 (UTC). reply
The Wall Street Journal and Globe & Mail and Chicago Tribune and other highly-regarded publications consider him as an expert, quoting his studies about emails and inter-office communication again and again.-- Tomwsulcer ( talk) 00:54, 30 July 2016 (UTC) reply
We required multiple in-depth treatments. There is nothing on GS or GB. Xxanthippe ( talk) 01:00, 30 July 2016 (UTC). reply
Grossman gets a lot of ink here and almost an entire article here and here and here. There are about 16 solid references as of this revamped version. The Chicago Tribune interviews him in-depth here. Seems to me he clearly meets WP:RS or WP:BLP.-- Tomwsulcer ( talk) 01:22, 30 July 2016 (UTC) reply
Feeble indeed. Just passing mentions on blogs or blurb from trade journalists desperate to salvage copy from a PR release. Wikipedia requires evidence of substantial career achievement. Xxanthippe ( talk) 02:29, 30 July 2016 (UTC). reply
Curious -- does the Sewer, Gas & Electric stuff belong on this page for some reason?-- Tomwsulcer ( talk) 00:54, 30 July 2016 (UTC) reply
Note that it was a vandalizing IP. SwisterTwister talk 00:58, 30 July 2016 (UTC) reply
  • Delete -- non notable consultant with advice such as "To cope with overloaded email inboxes, Grossman does not believe in email black-outs or time-outs, but that a better arrangement is to encourage better use of email by employees." The sourcing does not suggest notability to me. K.e.coffman ( talk) 03:49, 30 July 2016 (UTC) reply
  • Delete. A person is not notable in his field if the only way he can get a book published presenting his work is to do it himself via AuthorHouse. The asserted publisher of the 2nd ed., "Little Brown Dog Publishing" is an imprint owned by his company for the sole purpose of publishing his work [1] The current articles is about as much of an advertisement as the previous--the quotations in the sources demonstrate the promotional intent, and the promotional result. This is almost a G11, and I was amazed when it was kept at AfD1. The effort made it improving it was substantial, but it failed, because the article is hopeless--there is not enough notability or true non-PR sources to write an article. DGG ( talk ) 04:39, 30 July 2016 (UTC) reply
  • Delete no sources about him directly. non-notable.-- TonyTheTiger ( T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 19:13, 30 July 2016 (UTC) reply
  • Delete This is a puff piece that would need a fundamental rewrite even if notability was not a concern. Tazerdadog ( talk) 07:15, 6 August 2016 (UTC) reply
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The result was Delete. Michig ( talk) 07:45, 6 August 2016 (UTC) reply

Marrow (student organisation)

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No doubt a very worthy organisation but there is no evidence that it is notable. Both refs are from the web-site of its parent organisation and nothing more. Fails WP:GNG   Velella   Velella Talk   22:27, 29 July 2016 (UTC) reply

  • Delete and I nearly PRODed but that would've likely been removed anyway, there's by all means nothing at all close to the needed substance and notability to suggest this can actually be substantially improved. SwisterTwister talk 22:40, 29 July 2016 (UTC) reply
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The result was delete. MBisanz talk 19:03, 6 August 2016 (UTC) reply

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Insufficient notability requirements as per WP:Politician. A municipal councillor and then an unsuccessful candidate for mayor is insufficient for a standalone biography article. She has received press coverage but not as significant in multiple in-depth sources as described by WP:BIO quotation (also read the details in the footnote in that section):

  1. Just being an elected local official, or an unelected candidate for political office, does not guarantee notability, although such people can still be notable if they meet the primary notability criterion of "significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subject of the article".

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  • Surrey is not an internationally famous global city, so its city councillors are not automatically notable just because they exist (the fact that Vancouver gets the global city pass does not hand a notability freebie to Vancouver's suburbs) — rather, Surrey is in the class of cities where a city councillor gets an article only if she can be solidly and reliably sourced as significantly more notable than the norm to a readership that extends beyond Surrey alone. But the sourcing here doesn't do that; nearly half of it is primary sourcing to press releases from non-media organizations and the city's own website, and the half that is media coverage is split between purely WP:ROUTINE local coverage of the type that every city councillor in every city on the planet always gets because covering local politics is the local media's job, and glancing namechecks of her existence in non-localized coverage of Surrey politics that isn't about her. This is not how a city councillor in a non-global city gets a Wikipedia article. If the Globe and Mail and National Post sources were about her, then there'd be a case for inclusion — but they just mention her name in passing while being about something or someone else, and that's not enough to make her more notable than the norm for a city councillor. Delete. Bearcat ( talk) 17:23, 31 July 2016 (UTC) reply
  • Delete Surrey is not significant enough to make city councilors default notable. John Pack Lambert ( talk) 20:54, 1 August 2016 (UTC) reply
  • Delete -- a non-notable local politician. Coverage does not suggest notability. K.e.coffman ( talk) 04:46, 6 August 2016 (UTC) reply
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The result was Merge and redirect as a week has not suggested anything else, history contents are available in the logs if anyone needs them. I would've redirected initially if it wasn't for the fact this was still questionable by itself and, also, advertorial. At least we have a consensus in case this gets moved again later (NAC). SwisterTwister talk 21:46, 5 August 2016 (UTC) reply

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Still nothing actually suggestive of the needed substance and I confirm everything I said with both my PROD and speedy. SwisterTwister talk 21:55, 29 July 2016 (UTC) reply

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The result was delete. apparent consenus DGG ( talk ) 14:00, 6 August 2016 (UTC) reply

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PROD removed with the apparent basis "it may meet notability" (although there's certainly no inherited notability and, I'll emphasize also, that there would still need to be the needed coverage) but I still confirm the PROD as there's still nothing actually convincing. SwisterTwister talk 21:56, 29 July 2016 (UTC) reply

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  • Comment – Note that I deprodded the article using the rationale "Decline prod. May meet WP:CREATIVE per the subject's works and career" ( diff), rather than per the erroneous quote as stated in the nomination atop. Please do not misquote Wikipedia users, which is misleading. North America 1000 22:07, 29 July 2016 (UTC) reply
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The result was Deleted WP:G5 and SNOW. --  GB  fan 15:06, 1 August 2016 (UTC) reply

Kawaiian

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Article is an unusual spelling of the Tagalog name for bamboo (see tl:Kawayan). No need for this term on en.wiki where it will just make it harder for people to find the tl.wiki article. Plantdrew ( talk) 21:37, 29 July 2016 (UTC) reply

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  • Delete If it's an important nickname for Acidosasa or for a member of the family, and sourcedly so, it should be mentioned at the main article and not have a side article created for the nickname. Searching for "Kawaiian" also only really provided results for the word kawaii. -- Mr. Magoo ( talk) 23:48, 29 July 2016 (UTC) reply
    • Additional Comment I also find it odd that Acidosasa is only supposed to be found in Southern China and Vietnam, but our Kawaiian claims it's found in Philippines. So, we're not even talking about this bamboo species in particular? It gets even more vague than that? I tried searching for a species it could be, but there are numerous bamboo species to be found in the Philippines. The tl.wiki article, when translated, only talked about "bamboo". The article also provides generic bamboo imagery of just about any bamboo species. It just seems to be a generic word for bamboo? -- Mr. Magoo ( talk) 00:00, 30 July 2016 (UTC) reply
As far as I can tell, it's just the generic Tagalog word for bamboo. Plantdrew ( talk) 00:54, 30 July 2016 (UTC) reply
An alternate spelling of the Tagalog word "Kawayan" most likely.-- Hariboneagle927 ( talk) 04:35, 30 July 2016 (UTC) reply
  • Delete As original PROD-er, I find the word impossible to find by search. (A single, "wordpress" blogspot doesn't count.) If it is indeed another name (Tagalog) of a taxonomically designated species of bamboo, it belongs in that article — but certainly not as a stand alone. Articles are about subjects, not different names of said subjects. Thanks, GenQuest "Talk to Me" 05:14, 1 August 2016 (UTC) reply
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The result was delete. MBisanz talk 19:04, 6 August 2016 (UTC) reply

Simio

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PROD removed by a drive-by user even after it was endorsed Anarchyte and I still confirm everything I said here but, fortunately, with this 2nd AfD (the first one was closed as Speedied), we can at least have G4. Although this is tagged as "new user and assume good faith", there's simply no chances of this actually being notable as I note several things: nothing satisfying the applicable notability, the sources are simply not convincing and searches, again, simply found nothing better. SwisterTwister talk 21:27, 29 July 2016 (UTC) reply

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Delete and, again, delete. I just tagged it for speedy, then realized it's been around for a while, so, in case it gets untagged, I'm contributing here. I looked for an earlier, non-spammy version—and couldn't find one. The version when deprodded was terribly promotional: "so even novice at programming languages can also use it easily", " which gives better risk measurement", "helps making real time decisions", "users can intuitively and graphically build a model", "users easily switch the display", "Simio enable [sic]", "Simio can provide", and the entire litany of things that Simio is said to be good for. And that "Further Reading" section. I can't believe it's avoided deletion before now. Largoplazo ( talk) 20:04, 1 August 2016 (UTC) reply
  • Comment I removed the tag. If the language were changed, would the underlying content be satisfactory? DGG ( talk ) 00:38, 2 August 2016 (UTC) reply
    • I must not be understanding your question. Your proposition, "If the language were changed, would the underlying content be satisfactory" says to me that G11 doesn't apply if someone could have written a completely different, neutral article about the subject, and I'm pretty sure that that isn't true. The language is what G11 is about. This article, as written, is promotional through and through. Largoplazo ( talk) 00:53, 2 August 2016 (UTC) reply
G11 is for articles that "would need to be fundamentally rewritten to become encyclopedic. If...the content could plausibly be replaced with text that complies with neutral point of view, this is preferable to deletion" I removed G11 from this article because I think I could fairly easily rewrite it, as I have rewritten many hundreds of articles over the years. (Sometimes I am even prepared to do the fundamental rewriting that can make a valid G11 non-promotional--I've done that many dozen times by now.) I do this selectively, , when I think there is sufficient notability to be worth the troubleI therefore ask those who wish to delete the article, Is there sufficient basis of notability here to make it practical? (Yes, I normally formi my own judgment on this, but I sometimes want other opinions,--in this case, because I think it's borderline in both respects. DGG ( talk ) 04:25, 2 August 2016 (UTC) reply
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The result was delete.  Sandstein  07:20, 6 August 2016 (UTC) reply

Johannes Eggestein

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Speedy deletion per WP:G4 was declined, but the underlying notability concerns remain. He has still not played in a fully pro league or received significant coverage, meaning the article still fails WP:NSPORT and WP:GNG. Sir Sputnik ( talk) 20:24, 29 July 2016 (UTC) reply

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The result was delete. MBisanz talk 19:04, 6 August 2016 (UTC) reply

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Usual stuff: young footballer that fails WP:GNG and WP:FOOTYN (no professional appearances as of yet). Luxic ( talk) 20:02, 29 July 2016 (UTC) reply

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The result was delete. MBisanz talk 19:04, 6 August 2016 (UTC) reply

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Non-notable social media "star". While they have a large Instagram following, I only found this article: [2], which mentions him, but as part of an article on internet "stars". RickinBaltimore ( talk) 19:15, 29 July 2016 (UTC) reply

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The result was keep. obvious strong consensus DGG ( talk ) 04:10, 6 August 2016 (UTC) reply

Form 1040

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This article is on the U.S. tax form 1040 for individuals. It reads far too close to explaining how to do a tax return, especially by giving "who must file" and "signature requirement" sections, explaining different ways to file, and so on. The IRS is the authority on this - Wikipedia is not a manual, nor do we give advice. This article was expanded by a paid editor who is getting paid on page hits by User:Vipul - see Wikipedia:Conflict of interest/Noticeboard#Form 1120. An AfD on Form 1120 resulted in a redirect to IRS tax forms. I attempted to do the same here, but another paid editor associated with Vipul, has repeatedly undone the redirect. Therefore, I am bringing this to AfD for community consensus. MSJapan ( talk) 18:45, 29 July 2016 (UTC) reply

I would report the above editors to the Administrators, if I were you. GUtt01 ( talk) 18:59, 29 July 2016 (UTC) reply
That's a different issue. We're here at AfD because the content itself is a problem. An ANI report on this matter is much bigger than just this article. MSJapan ( talk) 19:33, 29 July 2016 (UTC) reply
Redirect: I will agree with MSJapan on a redirect. However, the user should have done an AfD when the blank-and-redirect they did was reverted, not attempt to revert the user (mentioned above) a couple of times themselves as much. GUtt01 ( talk) 20:10, 29 July 2016 (UTC) reply
Those 3RR templates you placed are inappropriate for several reasons: neither of us violated the rule, nor did we continue to edit after reaching three reverts over a week ago. Please remove them per my request on your talk page. MSJapan ( talk) 20:19, 29 July 2016 (UTC) reply
I am withdrawing my vote for Redirection. I believe it's best that US editors discuss this. GUtt01 ( talk) 20:42, 29 July 2016 (UTC) reply
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Yes, and the "normal editorial process" is being suborned by paid editors. MSJapan ( talk) 21:40, 29 July 2016 (UTC) reply
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Those are also guidebooks to a form legally required to be filled out. How is it not a case of WP:ENN? MSJapan ( talk) 21:40, 29 July 2016 (UTC) reply
Where are guidebooks or legal mandates listed as exceptions to GNG? — David Eppstein ( talk) 21:47, 29 July 2016 (UTC) reply
They're not, but let me clarify: WP:NOTHOWTO certainly seems to indicate there are exceptions to use of sources. How can one reliably source material from a "how-to guide" in such a way that the article does not reflect the "how-to-ness" of the source, given that one cannot use a source for something it does not say? Frankly, it's not appropriate to be breaking down what goes on what line, who can file in what bracket and on what form, and so on. That's telling the reader how to file their taxes, and I'm pretty sure, policy aside, we're not legally allowed to pretend to be tax preparers or give tax advice. Take all that out, though, and there's nothing left besides "the 1040 is an individual tax form; it has lines for stuff." MSJapan ( talk) 22:02, 29 July 2016 (UTC) reply
Don't make the mistake of thinking that the books on it are only how-to guides. For instance the first one of the ones I listed, "Learning to Love Form 1040: Two Cheers for the Return-Based Mass Income Tax", is not. Another likely source (of shorter length) is A short history of Form 1040, Harper's, 1977 (subscription required). There are also many more-technical publications about it in Google scholar. — David Eppstein ( talk) 22:49, 29 July 2016 (UTC) reply
  • Comment - With edits like [11]? So the article is going to tell me where I can deduct my sales tax, and that I can deduct other types of taxes, too. This is precisely the sort of thing we should not be doing with this article, and it's precisely what's going to end up in the article, especially when there's a batch of paid editors working on it who make money based on how many people come here and look at the article. Turning it into an advice article contrary to policy is directly going to benefit them. But fine, you all want to leave this here, claim it needs to be improved, and then ignore it entirely, allowing a bunch of undisclosed paid editors do what they want with it, that's fine with me. Who needs policy anyway? MSJapan ( talk) 23:04, 31 July 2016 (UTC) reply
To clarify, none of the paid editors working on the Form 1040 page are paid for pageviews. Since this seemed to be causing confusion, it was recently addressed in an update. I'm not sure how you are using the word "undisclosed"; all of the contributors are listed. Riceissa ( talk) 00:18, 1 August 2016 (UTC) reply
@ Riceissa:I'm glad it was addressed off-site, but that's not how paid editing disclosure works here on Wikipedia. That's why you're "not sure of how I am using a word"; that does not, however, mean that you are "correct." You are out of compliance with the requirements as set out in policy, and thus, you and your entire group are undisclosed paid editors. If any of you had responded to the thread on COIN, you'd know that, but you didn't, and your employer ignored what he was told. See WP:PAID. MSJapan ( talk) 20:21, 1 August 2016 (UTC) reply
  • Strong Keep and improve. Just because the article was (arguably) tainted with some questionable edits, doesn't mean it should be deleted. I've deleted some HOWTO-information, and added references to the risk of identity theft and to the cost of filing taxes. Dandv 06:09, 2 August 2016 (UTC) reply
Just as an FYI, the fundamental problem is the sourcing - when the sources are limited to the IRS and sites that are used to do taxes and give tax tips (Intuit, Investopedia, etc.), there's no way to write an article that isn't slanted towards advice, because that is what those sites are for in the first place. I've cleaned out everything that implies or explicitly states: "you should", "you must", "this goes here", "the requirements to use this form are", and so on. I also took out trivia about line numbers. MSJapan ( talk) 16:50, 2 August 2016 (UTC) reply
While phrasings like "should" and "note" have also raised flags with me, I believe that your unilaterally wiping out of over 20,000 bytes of knowledge on August 2 was a bit extreme. I've only undone so far your deletion of my edit and its surrounding sections, which had no advice information and offered factual figures, letting the reader make up their mind. Please consider improving the article instead. -- Dandv 04:11, 3 August 2016 (UTC) reply
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The result was Delete. Michig ( talk) 07:51, 6 August 2016 (UTC) reply

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Notability of Article is Questionable, per Wikipedia:Notability and WP:GNG; there is hardly any reason to create an article to detail an episode of a magazine programme GUtt01 ( talk) 18:31, 29 July 2016 (UTC) reply

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  • Merge or delete - Perhaps if a great many reviews were collected for this episode, it would be worth keeping. I'll do a quick search. But as is, none of the content on the page is usable or sourced, so until something proper is built, I would say merging to Top Gear (series 10) is best for readers. Yvarta ( talk) 20:47, 30 July 2016 (UTC) reply
    • Comment - I couldn't find significant coverage of the episode, though my google skills aren't infallible. These were the only sources I could find that weren't showtime listings with a synopsis - [12]. and GTSpirit. Yvarta ( talk) 20:54, 30 July 2016 (UTC) reply
I wouldn't merge this with the Series 10 article for Top Gear (2002 TV Series); the list in this article contain brief, short summaries, not extensive, detailed overviews of each episode. GUtt01 ( talk) 21:08, 30 July 2016 (UTC) reply
My apologies, I meant to type redirect, not merge. But I agree with your assessment. Yvarta ( talk) 14:13, 1 August 2016 (UTC) reply
@ Yvarta: I just checked your sources, and found that one only provides a brief summary of exactly what is in the episode, and not what is detailed in the article under proposition for deletion. The other is hardly a good source, because it seems to list moments from the top 10 episodes of Top Gear, and features clips taken from their official channel on YouTube. GUtt01 ( talk) 01:14, 31 July 2016 (UTC) reply
  • Delete: If an article is for an episode of a drama, sci-fi, or fantasy show, it would be alright to keep it as long as it detailed the plot and provided info on the cast and production crew. This article is for an episode of a magazine motoring show. All times listed in it are described in other articles connected to the parent one of Top Gear (2002 TV Series); News will be outdated by now; Opinions and Criticism of a car should be part of its article on the site, under any information describing its reception. GUtt01 ( talk) 22:17, 30 July 2016 (UTC) reply
  • Delete: There is no question in my mind about this. The article has little to no notability as a stand-alone page and has no references to back up even a single sentence in the text included within. As mentioned above, all details of importance can be included in the series summary article and/or pages of the cars reviewed in said episode. Aw16 ( talk) 17:31, 31 July 2016 (UTC) reply
  • Delete. An article on a single episode of an entertainment show? Really? -- Necrothesp ( talk) 14:04, 2 August 2016 (UTC) reply
  • Delete - We already have List of Top Gear episodes which is sufficient, No need to start creating individual eps. 01:13, 6 August 2016 (UTC)
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The result was delete. MBisanz talk 19:04, 6 August 2016 (UTC) reply

Sonny Bama

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Unfortunately G4 was removed as it's not symmetrical to the 1st AfD but the non-notability is still there, nothing here is actually convincing and my own searches have found nothing else better. SwisterTwister talk 18:07, 29 July 2016 (UTC) reply

  • Keep

Page meets guidelines for WP:MUSIC by having coverage in reliable publications and has released albums on a large independent label with many notable artists. Jdogg Shaw ( talk) 06:28, 30 July 2016 (UTC) reply

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  • Delete: just because the record label has notable artists doesn't make Sonny Bama himself notable – see WP:INHERIT. As for reliable sources... two are links to the album on iTunes, the two links to AllMusic only credit Sonny Bama as one of several producers on the albums mentioned (not enough to make him notable), the Datpiff reference is a blog written by a hip hop artist friend of Bama's (not a proper journalist), Average Joe's is the label Bama is signed to, Al.com is an advertising and promotion firm so those two links aren't independent either... and finally Jdogg Shaw, you are John Shaw, the person who wrote the two reviews on Select-o-Hits, which is the the distribution label for Bama's records. So in fact there are no independent reliable sources at all in the article, and you have a conflict of interest which you haven't declared. Overall, this fails WP:MUSICBIO and WP:GNG. Richard3120 ( talk) 01:43, 1 August 2016 (UTC) reply
  • Delete non-notable musician. John Pack Lambert ( talk) 04:39, 2 August 2016 (UTC) reply
  • Keep According to WP:MUSIC "Has released two or more albums on a major record label or on one of the more important indie labels (i.e., an independent label with a history of more than a few years, and with a roster of performers, many of whom are independently notable)." should be sufficient to keep the article. Average Joes and its history more than meets the guidelines. Sonny Bama has also worked with notable artists and produced for them. Furthermore, Richard3120 I have no idea who you are speaking of. No conflict of interest here. I'm just a fan of music in this genre. Jdogg Shaw ( talk) 21:55, 2 August 2016 (UTC) reply
Apologies then for the accusation, if it isn't true. But then you would agree that the two reviews of Sonny Bama by his own label are not independent and are therefore not reliable sources. By the way, you can't vote twice, so your second keep vote should be struck. Richard3120 ( talk) 21:59, 2 August 2016 (UTC) reply
  • Delete Jdogg Shaw ( talk) The key wording in WP:MUSIC criteria is "may be notable..." Having releases on notable labels listed on AllMusic is not an automatic qualifier. Rather, it's a starting point. This article lacks independent quality references that indicate this artist is notable. The argument here seems to be that this subject deserves a page based on two flaws of WP articles that are often deleted: WP:INHERIT and WP:EDPN. ShelbyMarion ( talk) 09:32, 4 August 2016 (UTC) reply
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The result was delete. North America 1000 00:21, 6 August 2016 (UTC) reply

Ronda Eller

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Deleted in 2006 and I frankly am still not finding anything actually convincing and I would've frankly PRODed if not for that 1st AfD. SwisterTwister talk 17:38, 29 July 2016 (UTC) reply

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  • Delete as per above. My search of Canadian media didn't yield anything.-- Tomwsulcer ( talk) 21:58, 30 July 2016 (UTC) reply
  • In 2005, a person's own primary source website about themselves was often considered enough verification to prevent an article from being deleted even if reliable source coverage about her in real media was nonexistent. But those rules have been tightened up considerably, because we learned a lot of hard lessons about how flawed that model was — and 11 years later, when the rules are much tighter and it's RS or bust, there's still no RS coverage here. Delete. Bearcat ( talk) 16:50, 1 August 2016 (UTC) reply
  • Delete', does not meet WP:ANYBIO or WP:GNG, a gsearch under all 3 names mentioned in the article yields nothing that contributes to notability, just some facebook and blog pages. Coolabahapple ( talk) 13:39, 2 August 2016 (UTC) reply
  • Delete I tried my hand at searching all the different names and couldn't find anything either. I love seeing poet entries on Wikipedia and have written several myself but that's only possible if there are sources to base an entry on. Without them, not much to discuss. Innisfree987 ( talk) 19:44, 2 August 2016 (UTC) reply
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The result was delete.  Sandstein  09:08, 6 August 2016 (UTC) reply

Thru (company)

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PROD removed (I still confirm everything I said there) apparently with the basis that they believed everything listed still suggests notability and substance but it's not actually the case. All sources listed are simply either press releases or trivial mentions. SwisterTwister talk 17:30, 29 July 2016 (UTC) reply

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The result was Delete. Michig ( talk) 07:53, 6 August 2016 (UTC) reply

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NonNotable mid-level officer. One of the many Commissioner ranking officers of India. Just a bureaucrat doing his job. His book is also not notable. Fails WP:BIO and WP:GNG. Speedy delete. Uncletomwood ( talk) 17:07, 29 July 2016 (UTC) reply

SwisterTwister DGG John Pack Lambert comments please. Uncletomwood ( talk) 17:10, 29 July 2016 (UTC) reply

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  • Delete. " Just a bureaucrat doing his job" is not a helpful description--the likelihood of notability depends on what the job is. (and similarly for all "just a ..." arguments.) Based on the articles on Indian Administrative Serviceand Divisional CommissionermI think I would accept such a post in theIAS as presumptive notable-- I interpret it as there is one per state, which would be about 30 people. But the subject is not a commission in the IAS,but in the Revenue Service, which is a lower branch of administration,and I do not see why that should lead to presumptive notability. DGG ( talk ) 19:46, 29 July 2016 (UTC) reply
  • Comment: Like to clear out a few things to non Indian editors. 1) Divisional Commissioner is one per district/zone in India. So a state like Uttar Pradesh would have more than even 40 divisional commissioners in a single state. 2) The post is again hardly notable in it self. 3) Indian Revenue Service is definitely not a lower branch of administration and is a premier civil service of the Government of India and is in the same rank as the IAS. They are recruited through the same exam. 4) The subject matter of the article has does nothing notable and has little sources to reference his article. Almost all IRS officers above the rank of Principal Commissioner are indeed notable as they head various zones. Uncletomwood ( talk) 04:21, 30 July 2016 (UTC) reply
thats not what our article on them say. DGG ( talk ) 15:23, 30 July 2016 (UTC) reply
It's the same thing but Hhaha, you should know better than to rely only on Wikipedia. Uncletomwood ( talk) 16:32, 30 July 2016 (UTC) reply
  • Question Is Singh the essentially over the collection of customs in Chennai? If that is the case, with that being such a major city so central to international trade, that might be a position that makes him notable. John Pack Lambert ( talk) 20:38, 1 August 2016 (UTC) reply
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The result was keep. Nomination withdrawn. The article has improved since the AfD began. However, the nominator recommends the article creator go through the Articles for Creation process to avoid similar problems in the future. ( non-admin closure) Gestrid ( talk) 19:24, 31 July 2016 (UTC) reply

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This article does not meet the general notability guidelines. Gestrid ( talk) 16:41, 29 July 2016 (UTC) reply

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Hi everyone,

Pasting some of the notes sent to Gestrid here for help explaining and improving the page: Some references and links for consideration:

Notes by Anujkaps

Government of India's DRDA's (District Rural Development Agency) Chamba pages list of trained makers and self help groups: http://drdachamba.org/Schemes/SHGs/SHGInvt/Chamba/Inventory/main1.htm

Newspapers, publications and blogs for reference: http://www.thehimachal.com/himachal/chamba-chukh-pickle-88888/ http://www.divyahimachal.com/2013/11/himachals-delicacies-need-promotion/ http://www.annapurnaz.in/a-fiery-tangy-gift-from-chamba-chukh-hot-red-chili-chutney/ https://mygourmetsaga.wordpress.com/2015/11/07/chukh-kick-ass-mushy-pickle-exclusive-of-chamba-valley/


Company pages selling & marketing Chukh:

http://www.amazon.in/Himachilli-Chukh-Chilli-Gulgul-Citrus/dp/B016M9GSC6 http://himalayanpeople.com/collections/himachillichukh http://www.placeoforigin.in/spicy-garlic-chilli-himachilli-chukh-garlic-online https://soulbowl.in/shop/sauces-jams-pickles/vales-ginger-garlic-chukh-450gm.html

NOTE: The state government is in the process of updating its online resources to give greater mention and space to Chamba Chukh. This is anticipated soon.

Regards Anujkaps ( talk) 17:30, 29 July 2016 (UTC) reply


Dear all,

I am a friend of AnujKaps. He pointed me to this page and chat. I have located a Wikipedia page that also references Chukh ( /info/en/?search=Indian_cuisine#Himachal_Pradesh). So I thought to provide it for your consideration for inclusion as a reference to this chat.

Regards — Preceding unsigned comment added by GeetikaPandya ( talk • contribs) 18:35, 29 July 2016 (UTC) reply


Dear Robert, Thanks for your note re: canvassing. I am aware of that clause and have been extremely careful not to canvass.

The page being discussed for deletion <Chamba Chukh> is something also being discussed quite widely in our community in Himachal offline. I have in fact contacted my friends who are also from the region to NOT EDIT the page and also to NOT get onto the discussion board. However if they do, they should EXPRESSLY SPECIFY that they know me and should state that upfront in the interest of complete transparency.

I will ask them to refrain from entering the conversation entirely, if that is more desirable. I can put forth their arguments through my own Username, if that is preferable. I am trying specifically to learn the etiquette of the wiki community to avoid such mis-understanding, before doing too much.

Thanks everyone for understanding. Anujkaps ( talk) 07:51, 30 July 2016 (UTC) reply

Don't worry Anujkaps, your friend was upfront about how they've come to this discussion so there's absolutely no question of bad faith. Uanfala ( talk) 15:25, 30 July 2016 (UTC) reply


An article on a prominent Indian Travel sight that that has reference to CHAMBA CHUKH for your reference: http://www.discoveredindia.com/himachal-pradesh/cities-and-destinations-in-himachal-pradesh/chamba.htm

Anujkaps ( talk) 07:54, 30 July 2016 (UTC) reply


PLEASE ADVISE IF I SHOULD ADD SOME OF THESE REFERENCES TO THE ACTUAL PAGE ALREADY OR SHOULD I KEEP POSTING HERE ON THIS TALK PAGE CREATED FOR THE DELETION?

THANKS

Anujkaps ( talk) 07:56, 30 July 2016 (UTC) reply

Anujkaps, articles are always allowed to be updated, especially when they might be deleted. If enough reliable sources are added throughout the article, it's possible it might not be deleted. You've still got a few more days before this discussion is closed. -- Gestrid ( talk) 14:28, 30 July 2016 (UTC) reply


Thanks Uanfala and Gestrid,

I have cited a few references on the page now. Also, I have found references to Chamba Chukh on existing Wikipedia Pages which have also now been linked back to this page <Chamba Chukh>. Will continue digging and improving the page.

Thanks Anujkaps ( talk) 23:08, 30 July 2016 (UTC) reply

Ok. Just remember that Wikipedia itself is not a reliable source, which means Wikipedia articles can't cite other Wikipedia articles. See WP:RS for what can and can't be a reliable source. -- Gestrid ( talk) 23:14, 30 July 2016 (UTC) reply

Thanks understood.

Also, I have linked back to this page from the Himachal Pradesh (State in India where Chukh comes from) Wikipedia page where a reference to it already existed.

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The result was keep. MBisanz talk 19:04, 6 August 2016 (UTC) reply

Foursome (web series)

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I originally prodded this article as being an unreferenced article that failed to credibly assert notability, but it was deprodded when some references were added. However, the new references do nothing to establish notability. The first confirms the release of YouTube red and does not mention the series at all, while the other 3 are primary sources, straight from the YouTube blog. I have been unable to find mention in reliable secondary sources that would establish notability. AussieLegend ( ✉) 16:21, 29 July 2016 (UTC) reply

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Unfortunately, several of the added refs were used to support the plot section, which was a copyright violation, having been copied from YouTube and imdb.
I saw that and after the plot was removed I went ahead and rewrote the plot using my own words, so I put the refs back in. Andise1 ( talk) 20:35, 2 August 2016 (UTC) reply
Well, almost. The plot is still very similar to the plot summary in this article. -- AussieLegend ( ✉) 20:42, 2 August 2016 (UTC) reply
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The result was keep. Nomination withdrawn. ( non-admin closure) 217.42.252.221 ( talk) 06:42, 31 July 2016 (UTC) reply

Cristian Vogel

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The Cristian Vogel page, whilst has some merits, remains un-sourced except for one random link for over 5 years. A wikipedia article should not be original research or content that does not have a source for every assertion.

This page continues to have no one editing it and providing the necessary sources so should be deleted JonnyTSpeed ( talk) 11:20, 29 July 2016 (UTC) reply

  • Author keep It's been quite a road to get here - the nominator prodded the article more than once, then speedied it, then attempted to AfD it as an IP, twice, before Finngall helped him along to finish the transclusion. The AfD creation page is also the account's first and only edit. What this indicates is that the nominator is someone who may not really understand the deletion process very well.
This is only because the deletion process is so opaic and every notice that was put on was instantly deleted over some minor technicality. The AfD forces you to register - that does not make the reuest unjustified 217.42.252.221 ( talk) 20:37, 29 July 2016 (UTC) reply
You're not "forced" to register, as I explained at User talk:JonnyTSpeed. As I stated there, there are editors (myself included) who are willing to complete nominations on behalf of anon editors. Providing a rationale for the AfD nomination is not a "technicality"--it's essential. -- Finngall talk 21:42, 29 July 2016 (UTC) reply

JohnnyTSpeed's rationale is that the article is largely unsourced, but this is not in and of itself a valid reason for deletion; the article has one reliable source, and through the past month, I got no indication that the nominator's attentions had been directed toward a WP:BEFORE effort, which might have dredged up sources such as an extensive interview from Fact (magazine), coverage from XLR8R, and two reviews by Pitchfork Media. Beyond that, the nominator may not be familiar with WP:MUSIC, and Vogel, at minimum, clears the hurdle for releases on noteworthy labels, having issued several albums on the labels Mille Plateaux and Tresor Records. Since deletion is not cleanup, the nominator's comments regarding lack of editing and sourcing are not relevant to AfD, though of course I encourage any interested parties to add sourcing as their time and interests permit. Chubbles ( talk) 17:01, 29 July 2016 (UTC) reply

the article has been requesting more sources for 5 years and you've just found them. Go ahead and edit the article rather than just say there's information out there so it should just stay with hundred of words of unsourced original research 217.42.252.221 ( talk) 20:37, 29 July 2016 (UTC) reply
I've already edited the article plenty, thank you. But you're welcome to do work on it if you'd like; in the time you've spent trying to get it deleted, you could have spruced it up quite nicely. Chubbles ( talk) 21:56, 29 July 2016 (UTC) reply

>>> So basically you were the repetitive author of all this unsourced material/ original research. Why didn't you put sources in the article when you wrote it? No wonder you are angrily defending your handy work [[[Special:Contributions/217.42.252.221|217.42.252.221]] ( talk) 08:02, 30 July 2016 (UTC) reply

  • Keep passes WP:MUSIC for notable label releases, also passes WP:GNG. with the reliable sources identified above as well as the allmusic bio which is rs.It would be best if the author can add these sources to the article and any other rs available. Atlantic306 ( talk) 18:45, 29 July 2016 (UTC) reply
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  • Delete all unsourced content. After over 5 years of notices someone starts qualifying the content [[[Special:Contributions/217.42.252.221|217.42.252.221]] ( talk) 20:37, 29 July 2016 (UTC) reply
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The result was delete. clearly an advertisement; G11 would have been reasonable DGG ( talk ) 04:11, 6 August 2016 (UTC) reply

Research Peptides

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Non-notable company. All 5 sources are press releases, and Google search did not reveal any other in-depth coverage. SPA-editing with unclear COI status. GermanJoe ( talk) 14:57, 29 July 2016 (UTC) reply

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The result was merge to Swarm intelligence#Algorithms. MBisanz talk 19:06, 6 August 2016 (UTC) reply

Flower pollination algorithm

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This article is part of the following group of articles that I have all nomination for deletion (individually):

These article all detail research done by Xin-She Yang. All suffer from the following problems:

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  • Keep. My general belief is that much of the work in this sort of metaheuristic is junk science, but the high citation counts and numbers of hits for this topic in Google Scholar make clear that, regardless of that, it is notable. — David Eppstein ( talk) 17:23, 16 July 2016 (UTC) reply
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  • Delete/Merge: This article claims to be about an algorithm, but it does not describe an algorithm, it rambles through supposed characteristics of something else (pollination??), and implies, I suppose, that these characteristics somehow define an algorithm. This is largely pseudoscientific babble. If this particular researcher is really notable, there should be an article about him/her, noting the production of an open-ended list of algorithms with flowery (ha!) names. I defy anyone to claim that the bulk of this article is a contribution to human knowledge, which WP claims to be. (And is, overall, the largest single collection of knowledge ever created by humanity, while including the largest collection of total garbage ever...) Imaginatorium ( talk) 03:40, 31 July 2016 (UTC) reply
  • Merge to Swarm intelligence#Algorithms mainly per WP:NOTJOURNAL. In order for a concept to be notable, we cannot be relying on just the original author's publications, but instead need some secondary coverage such as reviews citing the original work (in this case a book chapter). Right now the article seems to be written as if it was someone trying to justify a new idea.
There are a number of papers citing this method, but like many of the other algorithm articles, we need secondary sources that explain the method and what it's used for rather than relying on WP:PRIMARY sources. I would generally want to see these algorithm articles potentially merged to Swarm intelligence#Algorithms to see if they are even noteworthy there, and then spin them off as content forks if they can actually build up enough content there. I honestly don't see that happening though as that section likely should be reduced to simply say a number of algorithms have been modeled after biological systems while only noting examples cited by strong secondary sources rather than a non-independent source for each method. Kingofaces43 ( talk) 05:29, 31 July 2016 (UTC) reply
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The result was delete. The nominator's analysis of sources is convincing. DGG ( talk ) 04:16, 6 August 2016 (UTC) reply

Michael G. Cox

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No evidence of any notability. Too many of the refs are self-written and one doesn't even feature him. This is an aspirant politician who appears to have removed the PROD previously on this article. This is far too soon - better wait until dreams turn to reality before coming back to Wikipedia.   Velella   Velella Talk   20:47, 15 July 2016 (UTC) reply

Strong keep. Many articles exist that only state someone is a political candidate. Cox has founded businesses, taught, and worked in government. The article and references can be improved. The subject is notable. Postcard Cathy ( talk) 08:35, 17 July 2016 (UTC) reply

How do you suggest I go about improving the content of the article? PurpleCouch987 ( talk) 14:18, 17 July 2016 (UTC)PurpleCouch987 reply

Unless a consensus I'm going to add more 3rd party sources and remove the being consider for deletion notification. I really would like to improve this article though so any input is appreciated. PurpleCouch987 ( talk) 17:38, 19 July 2016 (UTC) PurpleCouch987 reply

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@ PurpleCouch987: Adding all the material you can find from respectable third-party sources is a great idea, and is the best way to convince others that Cox has received enough attention in such sources to deserve his own article. But please don't remove the deletion notice until this discussion has ended. FourViolas ( talk) 11:53, 22 July 2016 (UTC) reply

Ok, well this discussion is going nowhere and seems largely pointless so... PurpleCouch987 ( talk) 14:30, 2 August 2016 (UTC) PurpleCouch987 reply

Have we reached consensus? PurpleCouch987 ( talk) 17:04, 27 July 2016 (UTC) PurpleCouch987 reply

Have we reached consensus? PurpleCouch987 ( talk) 17:04, 27 July 2016 (UTC) PurpleCouch987 reply

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  • Comment - have we reached consensus ? Have we heck. We have a politician for whom Wikipedia editors can only find a single independent ref that even hints at notability (the piece in Roll Call) and that is in a very niche publication for Capitol Hill. All the rest are his own web-site, Linkedin or similar which do not convey any notability. Now if we could find independent discussions of him in the New York Times or something similar, that might change the game   Velella   Velella Talk   16:15, 29 July 2016 (UTC) reply
That is your perspective. The majority of the comments on this page support the article. PurpleCouch987 ( talk) 16:20, 29 July 2016 (UTC) PurpleCouch987 reply
Additionally you are simply incorrect about the sources. The majority of the sources do not come from his campaign page but from third party websites such as legistorm, newspapers, and the Maxwell website. PurpleCouch987 ( talk) 16:23, 29 July 2016 (UTC) PurpleCouch987 reply
OK, I guess you would like the details. Refs 1 a,b,c,d,e,f and 8 are all his own web site. Ref 2 a,b ,c,d, and e are from his Maxwell School Alumnus page - good for facts but not for notability, Ref 3 simply confirms that he exists and is presumably paid a salary - no notability there, Ref 4 is a YouTube page - not acceptable as a ref in Wikipedia, Ref 5 is his own Linkedin page, Ref 6 makes no mention of Cox, Ref 7 is the Heard on the Hill ref mentioned above and is the nearest we get to notability, and Ref 8 is back to his own web-site.   Velella   Velella Talk   17:08, 29 July 2016 (UTC) reply

Notability has been agreed upon by the other commenters. You are the sole holdout. As far as I can tell there is no explicit statement indicating that the consensus has to be unanimous. I appreciate your commitment to the quality of Wikipedia and I'm very impressed by your record. I've looked through many of the article you have written...good stuff! That said your personal feelings about this page do not outweigh the consensus. I think this discussion is closed. Again, thank you for your commitment. PurpleCouch987 ( talk) 17:27, 29 July 2016 (UTC) PurpleCouch987 reply

Wow, I don't remember being that patronised since I left school ! Nevertheless, this is not about how I feel about this article - I have no feelings about this article. It is about the way Wikipedia assess notability and the application of those rules to this article. The assessment is not up to you as you are a substantial author of the article and it is not up to you to close this debate - that is for other, uninvolved experienced editors to do.   Velella   Velella Talk   20:24, 29 July 2016 (UTC) reply

Unfortunately, other "experienced" editors have established notability and stopped commenting on this page. Therefore your views are in the minority. I did not mean to be patronizing but if you want to take it that way thats fine by me. This discussion is effectively over - nobody else has commented for over a week. Unless I get new feedback by tomorrow I am going to remove the deletion notice. PurpleCouch987 ( talk) 18:47, 1 August 2016 (UTC) PurpleCouch987 reply

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The result was Speedy Deleted (G5) by Ponyo. (non-admin closure) – Davey2010 Talk 01:14, 6 August 2016 (UTC) reply

David Elsner

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fails WP:NHOCKEY and WP:GNG... and was deleted earlier this month. Notability hasn't changed since then. Joeykai ( talk) 12:54, 29 July 2016 (UTC) reply

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The result was no consensus. There are two critical lines of thought in this discussion: 1. All secondary schools are notable, regardless of the level of coverage received in independent sources, as long as we can verify their existence. Due to this inherent notability, any degree-awarding secondary school should have its own article. 2. Secondary schools are held to the same standard as every other organization, and must include multiple reliable sources which cover the subject directly and in detail. Without this requisite sourcing, notability cannot be determined; therefore, no article should be created or retained.

There is validity to both of these arguments, inasmuch as the conclusions are supported by their premises. But, to determine the soundness of the arguments, they must be weighed against the community's consensus precedent. The key pieces of policy I'll quote here are from WP:ORG and WP:NSCHOOL, the most authoritative guidelines on schools that we have:

No company or organization is considered inherently notable. No organization is exempt from this requirement, no matter what kind of organization it is, including schools. [1] If the individual organization has received no or very little notice from independent sources, then it is not notable simply because other individual organizations of its type are commonly notable or merely because it exists (see "If it's not notable", below). "Notability" is not synonymous with "fame" or "importance." No matter how "important" editors may personally believe an organization to be, it should not have a stand-alone article in Wikipedia unless reliable sources independent of the organization have discussed it.
—  WP:ORGSIG (emphasis added)

A company, corporation, organization, school, team, religion, group, product, or service is notable if it has been the subject of significant coverage in secondary sources. Such sources must be reliable, and independent of the subject. A single independent source is almost never sufficient for demonstrating the notability of an organization.
—  WP:ORG § Primary criteria (emphasis added)

All universities, colleges and schools, including high schools, middle schools, primary (elementary) schools, and schools that only provide a support to mainstream education must satisfy either this guideline ( WP:ORG) or the general notability guideline, or both. (But see also WP:SCHOOLOUTCOMES, especially for universities.)
—  WP:NSCHOOL (emphasis added)

Two of these guidelines point to WP:SCHOOLOUTCOMES for further reference, so let's look at the relevant section:

Most independently accredited degree-awarding institutions and high schools are usually kept except when zero independent sources can be found to prove that the institution actually exists.
—  WP:SCHOOLOUTCOMES

The key take away here is that we as a community have not properly discussed this issue, and therefore we have not established a working policy via consensus. The policy and our current consensus precedent seem to contradict each other, at least when it comes to the amount of coverage required. We must also consider if WP:SYSTEMICBIAS has any effect here; once again, this topic has not been discussed properly at a community level to answer such a question.

In conclusion, both arguments have full validity - just not from the same perspectives. The argument for retention based on WP:SCHOOLOUTCOMES is fully valid and even sound when compared to the current, de facto, consensus precedent (a precedent that the guidelines themselves point to). However, the argument for deletion, based on the requirement of establishing notability through significant coverage in multiple, reliable, independent sources, is also fully valid and equally sound when compared to the established consensus set in the guidelines. Obviously, this is problem. And a determination must be made. However, for a determination to be made, the community must have a real discussion and establish a firm consensus. - Singular discussions, with limited community visibility (such as AFD), cannot achieve this goal. And as such, it is not within a single administrator's power to make this determination for the community. Therefore, no consensus can be determined at this time, defaulting to the retention of the article. Furthermore, it is recommended that a formal RFC be opened to make the requisite determination, and then rewrite the relevant policies/guidelines to reflect the consensus. (This close was done in consideration of, and accordance with, the following policies/guidelines: WP:GNG, WP:ORG, WP:NSCHOOL, WP:SYSTEMICBIAS, WP:PROMO, WP:V, WP:RS, WP:CONSENSUS, WP:ADMIN, WP:DELETE.) — Coffee // have a cup // beans // 04:53, 7 August 2016 (UTC) reply

Eden English School Btl

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Non notable Higher Secondary school in Nepal. Some links are are provided in see also segment but are not so strong for keeping this article here in wikipedia. NepaliKeto62 Talk to me 04:04, 6 July 2016 (UTC) reply

[Striking the nomination.  While the account was blocked on 20 July 2016, and it is not clear to me if it would be proper to strike the nomination statement for an AfD closed on 13 July 2016, WP:BLOCKBANDIFF states that, "Edits by the editor or on his or her behalf may be reverted without question (exceptions)...", and this nomination statement was formally re-instated on 29 July 2016 by the DRV relisting.  Unscintillating ( talk) 16:54, 31 July 2016 (UTC) reply
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I am not much aware of all wiki policies so I wont be the right person to comment. Thanks. VarunFEB2003 ( talk) 12:13, 30 July 2016 (UTC) reply
  • Keep (again). I think claimng this article to be a hoax (and Hobit) is an expression of very bad faith. There are two very different photos of quite clearly the same school: File:Eden E. Boarding High School, Butwal.JPG and File:Eden School Butwal.jpg. I think this conclusively proves its existence. Nepal is among the world's least developed countries and has a troubled political history and a low level of literacy. Thus some leeway should be given to the lack of existence of electronic media that would provide verifiable sources. Note that the ominator is now blocked and taking into account their editing history, one could possibly be moved to consider that the AfD nomination is some kind of school rivalry. This is the kind of AfD which could lead more experienced members of our community to demand qualifications and/or a specific user right for patrolling and/or tagging articles for various deletion processes. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง ( talk) 23:01, 29 July 2016 (UTC) reply
    • I don't think it's a hoax. In fact, I'd say it's 98% likely not to be. But the building shown in the picture and the one at the address given look to me to be different using Google maps. It's enough that I'm worried it might be a hoax. And I don't think we really have a reliable source that it does exist. So per WP:V, we shouldn't have an article. As soon as we get verification it does in fact exist (and I'd be happy with you or some other known quantity going there and verifying it) I'd change to keep in a heartbeat. Hobit ( talk) 00:59, 30 July 2016 (UTC) reply
      • I was also concerned about the google maps image until I realized what is marked as the building is actually the parking lot or field in front of the building, at which point it appears to be a match. VMS Mosaic ( talk) 02:46, 30 July 2016 (UTC) reply
    • The sockpuppet ban is enough for me to decline from voting. Even if its is a nonnotable private inistitution I am uncomfortable with the idea a banned editor for bad faith can vote to remove possible encyclopedic material. Valoem talk contrib 01:15, 30 July 2016 (UTC) reply
As far as I can make out, Valoem, these recent activities are from either a bunch of, (or the same) 12-year-olds using a school IP. Unfortunately, I do not have access to the CU tool. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง ( talk) 01:45, 30 July 2016 (UTC) reply

*Delete - SCHOOLOUTCOMES is an essay not a guideline and IMHO no school should be kept just because it exists, If it doesn't have any sources it doesn't deserve an article IMHO. – Davey2010 Talk 23:13, 29 July 2016 (UTC) reply

Thank you for your comment, Davey2010. SCHOOLOUTCOMES is indeed part of an 'essay' and is not a 'guideline' - correct, but only in so far tat that 'essay' is the only available (or nearest} Wikipedia page type for classifying it. It does however not express any opinions and draws its content from clearly identifiable facts (literally 1,000s of High school articles ket at AfD). It is a neutral documentation of the way the community has chosen to handle the notability of a few special kinds of topics. Regards, Kudpung กุดผึ้ง ( talk) 23:54, 29 July 2016 (UTC) reply
Hi Kudpung, I've closed tons of school AFDs as Keep as well as !voted Keep on many however IMHO there's no actual benefit to keeping school articles that are poorly sourced and are unlikely to ever be sourced or improved, I personally believe keeping them is now a waste of time but I know you prefer keeping these and I respect that (I don't mean that in a shitty way - we all have preferences etc), Anyway thanks for replying, Regards, – Davey2010 Talk 00:13, 30 July 2016 (UTC) reply
  • Delete I have searched a lot and I cannot find even a single independent reliable source which describes that this school exists. WP:SCHOOLOUTCOMES is valid if and only if WP:V is satisfied. I would gladly change to keep if someone can find such a source. I have clearly not been able to find one. -- Lemongirl942 ( talk) 02:08, 30 July 2016 (UTC) reply
  • Keep. The schools compromise is one of our best ways of handling AfDs--it's an even handed compromise between those who wished to keep articles on elementary schools as a matter of course, and those who did not want to keep even high schools unless there were exceptionally good sources. Neither party was altogether happy with it, but they were both happier than if the other side had won. That is what is meant by consensus--something we can al live with without having to fight it afresh every time. Whether it is a private school or a public school is quite irrelevant, and I wonder on what basis Valoem is asserting that it matters? All school articles tend to be associated with promotionalism -- if not from the management, from the students. How is the criterion of whether an article is likely to be improved a requirement for keeping a WP article? And, anyway, why does Davey2010 think the article is unlike to be improved or better sources?--school students frequently do work on articles about their school, so I would say they are among the articles most likely to be improved. As for the question of whether the school exists,the school website is presumptive evidence. Have any of the people who say they can find no other sources of knowledge of Nepali? And if so, have they searched local print sources? DGG ( talk ) 04:27, 30 July 2016 (UTC) reply
I'm entirely neutral on this article, but want to comment on the statement above that Neither party was altogether happy with it [...] is what is meant by consensus. That's the definition of compromise, not consensus. Consensus is when most people are happy with the outcome. That's not to say that compromise can't be a useful way to move forward, but they're not quite the same thing. -- RoySmith (talk) 13:47, 30 July 2016 (UTC) reply
Most (not all but most) of the school articles that end up at AFD and subsequently kept aren't improved nor ever sourced - They're just left to rot. – Davey2010 Talk 21:25, 30 July 2016 (UTC) reply
Rhododendrites, you don't appear to have read the entire discussion, nor to have understood the special nature of Nepal. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง ( talk) 07:52, 30 July 2016 (UTC) reply
While continuing to remain neutral on the article, I feel the need to also address the above comment. We have two drivers here, which are in conflict. On the one hand, we have a inviolable requirement that everything we publish is true, i.e. WP:V. On the other hand, we have an unfortunate, but overwhelming, tendency to favor topics which are easy to research online. That means we have (very strong) bias towards things which are recent, things which are written about in English, and things which happen in places with pervasive internet presence. We are caught up in a race to the bottom, to become the on-line blogopedia of Pokémon, porn stars, pop culture, and paid promotion. Fighting this bias is a critical part of what we need to do to remain relevant. So, yes, bend over backwards to fight bias on non-anglo-european topics. But, not at the cost of ignoring WP:V. -- RoySmith (talk) 13:57, 30 July 2016 (UTC) reply
  • What the post above shows is a lack of the basic understanding of the message we've worked to present at WP:V and WT:V, which is that Wikipedia is not a TruthTM forum.  Unscintillating ( talk) 16:54, 31 July 2016 (UTC) As stated at WP:Inaccuracy, "Editors sometimes think that verifiable material should be accurate, but verifiable material may or may not be accurate."  Unscintillating ( talk) 00:51, 1 August 2016 (UTC) reply
@ Kudpung: What makes you say I haven't read the entire discussion? If others have found reliable sources with which to write an article, then I have indeed overlooked something and would thank you for highlighting them. Sometimes I think it makes sense to grant some leeway for subjects when sourcing is weak but there's some indication there may be sources in a language I'm unable to search, or sources not readily available over the Internet. What we have here is not weak sourcing but a complete absence of reliable sources, and thus nothing on which to base an article. No prejudice to recreating it based on reliable sources should they surface in the future. — Rhododendrites talk \\ 23:58, 30 July 2016 (UTC) reply
Reluctantly struck my !vote above given verification. Certainly won't be switching to keep, though, as there's still nothing on which to base a real article. — Rhododendrites talk \\ 13:56, 1 August 2016 (UTC) reply
This one was gnawing at me a bit. Looking again at what's available, I can't bring myself to passively accept what some people claim there is consensus for, but aren't willing to actually put it up for discussion via promotion of WP:SCHOOLOUTCOMES to guideline status. There's almost nothing on which to base this article. — Rhododendrites talk \\ 16:01, 6 August 2016 (UTC) reply
  • Delete unless reliable sources about it can be found. If we can't find reliable sources, it is impossible for us to write a verifiable article. — Granger ( talk · contribs) 19:45, 30 July 2016 (UTC) reply
  • Keep - We keep high schools for the very good reason that experience shows that, with enough research, sources can invariably be found that meet WP:ORG. Google is a very poor tool for finding sources on non-Anglophone schools. We must avoid systemic bias and allow time for local sources to be researched since no evidence has been adduced that this school cannot meet notability requirements. Just Chilling ( talk) 20:48, 30 July 2016 (UTC) reply
  • The problem here is not notability. The problem here is that we need a source to prove that the school exists: One reliable independent source would be sufficient, per schooloutcomes. -- Lemongirl942 ( talk) 21:10, 30 July 2016 (UTC) reply
  • I believe you are mistaken. SCHOOLOUTCOMES does not hold that schools get a free pass on notability. Instead, it says:

The current notability guidelines for schools and other education institutions are Wikipedia:Notability (WP:N), Wikipedia:Notability (geography) (WP:NGEO) and Wikipedia:Notability (organizations and companies) (WP:ORG).

Examining NGEO and ORG—the guidelines that SCHOOLOUTCOMES says apply to schools—we find that to be kept at AFD, a school must have received significant coverage in multiple independent, reliable sources. (ORG stresses that "[a] single independent source is almost never sufficient for demonstrating the notability of an organization.") Driving this point home further, ORGSIG—part of an established guideline—says:

No company or organization is considered inherently notable. No organization is exempt from this requirement, no matter what kind of organization it is, including schools. If the individual organization has received no or very little notice from independent sources, then it is not notable simply because other individual organizations of its type are commonly notable or merely because it exists . . . .

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  • I understand Rebbing. My position is slightly different though. I recognize what DGG said about the schools and I'm willing to respect SCHOOLOUTCOMES as a compromise: not a perfect solution, but better than debating every single school. But schooloutcomes specifically requires that there should be reliable independent sources which can prove that (1) The school exists, (2) It is accredited and (3) It is a high school. Unless all 3 are satisfied, I am not supportive of keeping an article. I see the SCHOOLOUTCOMES as something similar to the SNGs on sports people. I believe the purpose of SNGs is to selectively keep articles about people who have a good chance of passing GNG someday. I see something similar with schooloutcomes as well (though lot less selective): As long as the school is verified, it may be covered one day. I can live with it for the time being. The problem here is that editors vote keep without looking at WP:V, essentially reducing the school to a Russell's teapot. -- Lemongirl942 ( talk) 22:49, 30 July 2016 (UTC) reply
  • But that's the thing: You (and others) misread SCHOOLOUTCOMES as a compromise establishing that schools are kept as long as they can be verified to exist, but it says nothing of the sort. (Go read it again.) Instead, it reaffirms that NORG applies to schools, and NORG, in turn, requires significant, independent coverage in multiple reliable sources—the same as GNG. True, it says that most high schools that can be shown to exist are kept, but that's because they are found to meet NORG or some other notability guideline, not because they're accredited high schools proven to exist. Rebb ing 23:27, 30 July 2016 (UTC) reply
  • Delete as failing WP:VERIFY. Several editors above have pointed to WP:SCHOOLOUTCOMES as a reason to keep this article, but note that the consensus documented there is to keep articles on secondary schools that are verified by independent sources. To uphold that consensus requires deleting this unsourced article. Cordless Larry ( talk) 07:54, 31 July 2016 (UTC) reply
  • Userify - I'm a believer in SCHOOLOUTOMES for reasons outlined by others and debated ad nauseum in these AfD discussions. However we just can't have unverified content allowed to exist on this encyclopedia at the risk of making us all look ridiculous. My firm belief is that this school exists, but there are no sources that I can find which meet the general standards of WP:VERIFY and the usual standards for schools in particular. We simply require evidence that the school exists, and photos taken by an interested party don't count. That's a low hurdle given that the information can indeed be in the local language that someone here can point to. The rest of the debate is phooey in my opinion. We can debate exactly what SCHOOLOUTCOMES says/means, we can debate whether it matters if it is a private school etc and so on, but that doesn't make any difference to the fact that this page is currently unverified and despite best efforts remains so. The delete option seems to me to be a bit severe, given what I've already said about the likelihood that the school exists, so I think we should userify and contact the editor who wrote the content with an explanation of what we need to see here. If the school exists, then there should be no problem with finding something which meets the currently accepted standard for SCHOOLOUTCOMES - and the other more general discussions about it as a guideline can be continued in a more appropriate venue. JMWt ( talk) 12:12, 31 July 2016 (UTC) reply
Yeah, difficult. Unfortunately if the editor himself is saying that there are no other sources, then we're pushed into the corner of delete, because the whole page is based on a COI. Which is obviously going to be hard for the editor to understand if he knows personally that the school exists! JMWt ( talk) 13:45, 31 July 2016 (UTC) reply
  • Comments  Regarding the effort to contact PABSON, PABSON states, that schools "registered with the District Education Office (DEO) are eligible to apply for Membership at the PABSON District Executive Office".  The applicable DEO website appears to be deorupandehi.gov.np/, and has an email and phone number, contact page. 

    In other notes, a Google search on ["Eden English School" butwal] shows a map, an address, and phone number in the right-hand column for the school.  Since most of the original text is no longer visible in the current article, I've found that this older revision is helpful in understanding the context. 

    We are here because of an improper DRV closing that uses the words "wrong result" while citing no policies, and addresses AfD volunteers for "not digging deep enough".  The DRV itself was a nomination that could have been speedy closed as WP:POINT...a closer does not have standing to request the overturn of his/her own closing.  Be that as it may, there were no issues that could not have protected the AfD volunteer community by allowing the normal six months to pass before another AfD for this article.  Nor was sockpuppetry of the AfD nomination mentioned in the DRV closing.  Unscintillating ( talk) 16:54, 31 July 2016 (UTC) reply

  • Keep as per precise reading of our policies and guidelines, and WP:IAR for the WP:IAR claims that we don't need to support or WP:AGF our multi-language content contributors from Nepal.  As mentioned by the DRV nomination, File:Eden E. Boarding High School, Butwal.JPG shows the name of the school both on the building and on one of the busses.  I count 297 people in that assembly.  There is another picture of morning assembly at schoolius.com, picture, that shows a square tower to the right of the assembly.  The basic Google search on ["Eden English School" butwal] provides a map, and I looked at that map at the 20 meter scale, and compared the satellite image with the square tower.  The details, such as the line of the roof peak, match, as does the treeline behind the school.  This satellite map provides the requirement in WP:V#Notability for a third-party source.  The guideline WP:N is satisfied, by the consensus that it does so at WP:SCHOOLOUTCOMES.  WP:RS states that all reliable sourcing depends on context, and we know from intellius that this school provides secondary education.  Our article on Nepal identifies fourteen "recognized national languages", and there is no need for AfD to explain why searches on Nepali strings produce puzzling search results.  Rupandehi district borders on India, which may increase the language considerations.  It is past time to move away from AfD and turn the difficult issues of reading Nepali over to our Nepali content contributors.  Unscintillating ( talk) 16:54, 31 July 2016 (UTC) reply
Google users can add their own content to google maps. I don't think this really counts as an independent secondary source as someone could have added all of this information about a hoax school. What we really need is a newspaper article mentioning the school or a government document in any language. Not pointing to user submitted content. This should not be hard to supply if the school really exists. JMWt ( talk) 18:40, 31 July 2016 (UTC) reply
My statement carefully avoided any reliance on the assertion of existence based on a place marker in Google maps.  Please don't make false claims about my assertions.  Just the contrary has occurred here, as what I have shown can be used to conclude that the user content added to Google was done correctly.  Unscintillating ( talk) 19:21, 31 July 2016 (UTC) reply
With respect, you are just wrong. Google content cannot be used in this way as an independent secondary source for primary verification. It is quite simple, the thing must be shown by secondary sources, which must be available for any existing school and which cannot be faked - such as newspaper articles and official government reports. It is obviously possible to build up fake credentials using information on facebook, google, twitter and self-taken photographs, hence they're not to be primarily used for verification. Once we have proof from an independent secondary source, then these of course add strength to the thing existing. JMWt ( talk) 07:55, 1 August 2016 (UTC) reply
Maybe if you tried checking my reference to the policy WP:V#Notability, you'd see that the words used there are not "independent secondary source", then perhaps you'd see that it would be helpful and appropriate to limit your rebuttal to points I've made.  You can also see the words "third-party source" in my !vote post. 

In your response, you've not cited from policies, guidelines, and/or essays; and in the context of proving me "wrong" suggests that you are not clear on why you are saying that which you are saying. 

Another point you should perhaps consider, do you believe that Google takes satellite pictures?  I'm willing to consider that there is a vast military conspiracy to alter satellite images provided to Google to hide radar arrays on coastlines, but without sources to tell us that, at Wikipedia, we follow the sources.  Since we don't follow the sources blindly, I've written the essay WP:Inaccuracy, but I doubt you are going to find a consensus here that some advanced persistent threat at the direction of or on behalf of Eden English School is altering the satellite images being considered at this AfD.  Summary: the satellite images are reliable and third party.  Respectfully, Unscintillating ( talk) 23:52, 1 August 2016 (UTC) reply

  • Question - I've seen many people (myself included) argue along the lines of WP:BURDEN in this particular case, pointing to a lack of reliable sources with which to write an article, regardless of whether the subject is argued to be notable. However, we have an awful lot of people arguing to keep -- numerically sufficient to make it difficult to envision someone willing to close as delete, regardless of the content of the arguments. So my question is what comes next. The content of the article has been officially challenged as WP:V provides for, but if the article is closed as no consensus (or keep!), I imagine removing the content would be highly controversial. So what happens next? — Rhododendrites talk \\ 19:09, 31 July 2016 (UTC) reply
I suggest we find a way to verify the damn school. there must be a way. JMWt ( talk) 19:33, 31 July 2016 (UTC) reply
  • BINGO - the page creator has found this from the Nepali Government Department of Education. That's good enough. Keep. JMWt ( talk) 19:54, 31 July 2016 (UTC) reply
    • @ JMWt: I'm sorry, but that's not anywhere near enough. SCHOOLOUTCOMES directs us to N, NORG, and NGEO, all of which require significant coverage in multiple reliable sources. The added source is reliable and independent, but its coverage isn't remotely significant. Also, it's only one source. Take a look at ORGDEPTH. Rebb ing 05:07, 1 August 2016 (UTC) reply
With respect, you are arguing with the consensus position of SCHOOLOUTCOMES, which has been tested over and over again with the conclusion that there is no way or consensus to change it, and as such has little relevance to this specific AfD. The fact is that we have in English a government source showing that the school exists. Therefore it stands to reason that there must be a whole number of other relevant reliable secondary sources showing it exists which we haven't found yet because they are in a local language or are only available on paper. That's quite a different thing to many others ORGs and is one reason why schools are considered differently. Again, if you don't like it, then it is down to you to try to change the consensus not try to derail AfDs with the same rejected arguments. JMWt ( talk) 07:50, 1 August 2016 (UTC) reply


I agree. The creator should be congratulated for engaging with us when the thing must be extremely hard to understand given that we are casting doubt on the existence of something that he knows exists. JMWt ( talk) 08:32, 1 August 2016 (UTC) reply
  • WP:N has no requirement for coverage by reliable sources, it is a guideline to determine if a topic should have a standalone article.  The 2007 WP:N had a requirement that sufficient sources exist to write an article.  Unscintillating ( talk) 15:24, 6 August 2016 (UTC) reply
  • Uh. Not only does "reliable" appear 17 times in WP:N, but the nutshell includes "We consider evidence from reliable independent sources to gauge this attention" and right there in the second sentence is "if no reliable third-party sources can be found on a topic, then it should not have a separate article". — Rhododendrites talk \\ 16:01, 6 August 2016 (UTC) reply
  • The second sentence comes from the policy WP:V#Notability, and has a good consensus at this AfD that it is satisfied.  WP:N has only one requirement, that the topic be "worthy of notice".  WP:N is in some ways a minor guideline because we are only considering the difference between whether a topic should be standalone or merged.  It is WP:DEL8 where the difficult decisions for inclusion are made.  As for what you are saying about the nutshell, the nutshell calls for reliable "evidence", not reliable "coverage".  Unscintillating ( talk) 18:42, 6 August 2016 (UTC) reply
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The result was keep.  Sandstein  09:08, 6 August 2016 (UTC) reply

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Only two refs for this article which has been around for years. One is own web-site and the other is Hardcore Gaming 101 which is about as niche a publication as is possible to get. No claims to any special notability. No notability established. Fails WP:GNG   Velella   Velella Talk   12:49, 29 July 2016 (UTC) reply

  • Delete Redirect I researched the matter and my path lead to the Japanese Wiki. There I discovered that they have a single article for the entire series, only it's done in a slightly peculiar manner with the article being for this game and then mentioning the other games in a section. Our article for Cotton (series) is fairly comprehensive. I don't think the detail there of our game is missing much if anything. We could add a short paragraph from our Release section to the List detail of this particular game there, along with the TurboGrafx-CD image someone has uploaded. I also noticed the article for Panorama Cotton is fairly similar. It has even less information. I'd suggest deleting redirecting it as well and just using the image in the series article. -- Mr. Magoo ( talk) 00:32, 30 July 2016 (UTC) reply
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  • Comment - "Hardcore Gaming 101" is considered a usable source per consensus at WP:VG/S - Writer Kurt Kalata is a journalist with a lot of experience in the field. That source should not be discounted, especially considering it covers the subject in significant detail. Sergecross73 msg me 15:52, 1 August 2016 (UTC) reply
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The result was delete.  Sandstein  07:16, 6 August 2016 (UTC) reply

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Cricketer who fails WP:NCRIC. Has not yet played a first-class/List A game, etc. U19 cricketers don't meet the notability threshold. Was tagged as a speedy as it's already been deleted recently, but declined by Nyttend. Lugnuts Dick Laurent is dead 11:46, 29 July 2016 (UTC) reply

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*Delete. Agreed. DilMendis82 ( talk) 14:55, 1 August 2016 (UTC)Blocked sock— UY Scuti Talk 14:47, 5 August 2016 (UTC) reply

Delete as per nom as it fails WP:NCRIC. Black hole78 talk | contrib 17:47, 1 August 2016 (UTC) reply

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The result was delete. clear consensus DGG ( talk ) 04:16, 6 August 2016 (UTC) reply

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Geographer who has just received his PhD. References show that there are some publication, but there's nothing indicating he is "well known" as the article states. H-index currently seems to be 1, with a total of 7 citations (5 for the 2011 article, 1 each for two articles from 2014), as per GScholar. Axolotl Nr.733 ( talk) 11:19, 29 July 2016 (UTC) reply

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The result was delete. MBisanz talk 19:07, 6 August 2016 (UTC) reply

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Cricketer who fails WP:NCRIC. Has not yet played a first-class/List A game, etc. U19 cricketers don't meet the notability threshold. Lugnuts Dick Laurent is dead 11:02, 29 July 2016 (UTC) reply

*Delete Agreed. DilMendis82 ( talk) 14:55, 1 August 2016 (UTC)Blocked sock— UY Scuti Talk 14:44, 5 August 2016 (UTC) reply

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The result was delete. MBisanz talk 19:07, 6 August 2016 (UTC) reply

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Cricketer who fails WP:NCRIC. Has not yet played a first-class/List A game, etc. U19 cricketers don't meet the notability threshold. Lugnuts Dick Laurent is dead 11:00, 29 July 2016 (UTC) reply

*Delete Agreed. DilMendis82 ( talk) 14:55, 1 August 2016 (UTC)Blocked sock— UY Scuti Talk 14:41, 5 August 2016 (UTC) reply

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The result was keep. (non-admin closure) — UY Scuti Talk 14:40, 5 August 2016 (UTC) reply

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The result was delete. MBisanz talk 19:07, 6 August 2016 (UTC) reply

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Cricketer who fails WP:NCRIC. Has not yet played a first-class/List A game, etc. U19 cricketers don't meet the notability threshold. Lugnuts Dick Laurent is dead 10:56, 29 July 2016 (UTC) reply

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The result was no consensus. WP:NPASR per low participation herein. North America 1000 00:29, 6 August 2016 (UTC) reply

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Nothing actually confidently suggesting the needed independent notability and my searches including Saudi Arabian news have found nothing convincing so far. SwisterTwister talk 05:23, 15 July 2016 (UTC) reply

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The result was delete. MBisanz talk 19:07, 6 August 2016 (UTC) reply

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Cricketer who fails WP:NCRIC. Has not yet played a first-class/List A game, etc. U19 cricketers don't meet the notability threshold. Lugnuts Dick Laurent is dead 09:44, 29 July 2016 (UTC) reply

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*Delete Agreed. DilMendis82 ( talk) 14:55, 1 August 2016 (UTC) Blocked sock. — UY Scuti Talk 14:35, 5 August 2016 (UTC) reply

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The result was delete. MBisanz talk 19:07, 6 August 2016 (UTC) reply

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Delete as per nom as it fails WP:NCRIC. Black hole78 talk | contrib 17:45, 1 August 2016 (UTC) reply

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The result was delete. MBisanz talk 19:07, 6 August 2016 (UTC) reply

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Cricketer who fails WP:NCRIC. Has not yet played a first-class/List A game, etc. U19 cricketers don't meet the notability threshold. Lugnuts Dick Laurent is dead 09:21, 29 July 2016 (UTC) reply
*Delete Agreed. DilMendis82 ( talk) 13:35, 1 August 2016 (UTC) Blocked sock. — UY Scuti Talk 14:32, 5 August 2016 (UTC) reply

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Delete as per nom as it fails WP:NCRIC. Black hole78 talk | contrib 17:43, 1 August 2016 (UTC) reply

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The result was Speedy delete, non-admin closure. Ten Pound Hammer • ( What did I screw up now?) 06:43, 30 July 2016 (UTC) reply

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No evidence of any notability. Only refs are its own web-site (which doesn't load) and a government listing of approved radio infrastructure components - neither convey any notability. It has been tagged as lacking notability for over 6 months and Hooperbloob has done good work on cleaning up the worst excesses of promotional tone but it still fails WP:GNG   Velella   Velella Talk   08:28, 29 July 2016 (UTC) reply

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The result was delete.  Sandstein  09:09, 6 August 2016 (UTC) reply

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Band with no substantive claim to passing WP:NMUSIC and no evidence of any substantive reliable source coverage to get them over WP:GNG: the substance boils down to "this is a band that exists and released its debut album in February 2016, the end", and the sourcing consists of one blurb on a blog. This is not enough to get a band into Wikipedia. Delete. Bearcat ( talk) 22:11, 8 July 2016 (UTC) reply

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Even there, what I'm seeing is a lot of blogs and primary sourcing to their own press kit — I'm not seeing a whole lot of properly reliable source coverage. Bearcat ( talk) 19:01, 11 July 2016 (UTC) reply
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The result was keep. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง ( talk) 16:15, 6 August 2016 (UTC) reply

Michael Knost

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Semi-advertorial WP:BLP of a writer who has the potential to pass WP:AUTHOR, but completely fails to properly source the fact: very nearly right across the board, the sourcing here is almost entirely to primary sources like his own publisher, with the few references that even approach reliability not being numerous enough to satisfy WP:GNG. This was rejected twice at AFC for being inadequately sourced, following which the creator arrogated herself the right to bypass AFC moving the page directly into mainspace, without making any substantive changes or resubmitting it for a third review through the proper AFC process. Either delete, or move back to draftspace. Bearcat ( talk) 23:14, 8 July 2016 (UTC) reply

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Interviews do not assist in getting the person over WP:GNG — they're acceptable for some supplementary confirmation of facts after GNG has already been passed by independent sourcing, but they cannot be the GNG as they represent the subject talking about himself. And you say his books have received widespread attention, but there's no reliable sourcing here to verify that — and you say he's won notable awards, but for an award to be notable enough to get its winners past WP:AUTHOR it has to be one that gets covered by the media as news, and again there's no reliable sourcing here to demonstrate that this one meets that condition. A literary award does not give its winners a free AUTHOR pass if the win can be sourced only to the award's own self-published website about itself. Bearcat ( talk) 16:50, 24 July 2016 (UTC) reply
ANYBIO is met when reliable sources (i.e. media) are covering the awards that the person is winning; it is not met if the award can be sourced only to its own self-published website about itself. For an award to be notable enough to get its winners over ANYBIO, that award has to be one that the media consider important enough to cover the award announcements. If media sources could be added in which "Michael Knost wins Bram Stoker Award" was being treated as a news story, then that would get him over ANYBIO; if the award is so little-covered that you have to rely on primary sources and directory entries to prove that he won it, because RS coverage doesn't exist, then it doesn't count toward ANYBIO. The award's RSability, or lack thereof, is how we determine whether that award is notable enough to give its winners a valid notability pass or not. Bearcat ( talk) 21:53, 30 July 2016 (UTC) reply
  • A reasonable concern, however There is extensive news coverage of this award, mostly in the form of (Caitlin Kiernan's "Drowning Girl" wins 2013 Bram Stoker Award, Boston Globe [Boston, Mass] 14 July 2013: N.15.) I added an article of this type to the Award page, it briefly describes the Award in the context of this writer's winning of it. E.M.Gregory ( talk) 11:25, 5 August 2016 (UTC) reply
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  • Comment, ISFDB also lists Knost's awards here [23], and lists a couple of reviews, in Black Static [24], and The Magazine of Fantasy & Science Fiction [25], there is also a small review in Midwest Book Review of Writers Workshop of Horror - "Although the principle focus is on writing horror stories, the gamut of useable information provided is just as applicable to all other genres including romance, westerns, mysteries, science fiction, general fiction, and even biographies. The "Writers Workshop Of Horror" is a recommended addition to the professional reference collections of all dedicated authors and small press publishers." [26], there are also reviews by Dark Scribe Magazine, of Legends of the Mountain State - "It is rare to find an anthology where every story in the collection is not only well-written, but also compelling. Legends of the Mountain State is one of the rare cases where every story delivers on both counts. .. Those who are unfamiliar with West Virginia may come away from reading this collection wondering which of our states can really call themselves the “most haunted.” West Virginia may now be a contender for that title." [27], Legends of the Mountain State 2: More Ghostly Tales for the State of West Virginia - "The surprisingly rich depths of Mountain State folklore are again expertly mined .. As in the first volume, editor Knost does a commendable job balancing the terror and tenderness." [28], Writers Workshop of Horror - " Michael Knost’s Writers Workshop of Horror is one of those real how-to books .. However, when your ass is in the chair, and your fingers are on the keys, it doesn’t hurt to have few good manuals and resources a reach away. Writers Workshop of Horror is destined to be one of those invaluable resources." [29]. Coolabahapple ( talk) 08:32, 29 July 2016 (UTC) reply
  • Keep Just added a 2010 profile form a regional daily, it was an interview prompted by winning an award, it gives his actual name - Michael Knost is his pename. A fair amount of coverage of him (as a writer, prize winner,) exists in the form of a paragraph or two in articles about book festivals and such. Mostly, keep on the grounds that, substantive sales numbers, press attention to the books, and the prizes prizes carry him well over the bar at WP:AUTHORS. E.M.Gregory ( talk) 11:09, 5 August 2016 (UTC) reply
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The result was delete. clear enough. There's an apparently related article that should be examined also: Jonathan Goldman DGG ( talk ) 04:12, 6 August 2016 (UTC) reply

Energy Genesis Life Center

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Non-notable "technology", Google search found no independent in-depth coverage. Current sources are: #1, #3 self-published; #4, #5 not "independent", #2: I won't buy this on Kindle to check (unless someone donates 9,99 Euro), but it seems to be about the general concept of this method, not about this specific application. Even if "Energy Genesis" as specific topic was covered there, one questionable source from a clearly involved author (book info available on Amazon) would not be enough to establish notability. GermanJoe ( talk) 07:25, 29 July 2016 (UTC) reply

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  • Delete. The centre appears to have previously been known as Life Vessel of the Rockies. Claims around healing technologies mean that WP:FRINGE applies here. There are not adequate sources provided to substantiate these claims. I searched but didn't find anything from a reliable source to overcome these concerns. I don't see that notability has been established for either this center or the technology used at this center. Drchriswilliams ( talk) 09:23, 29 July 2016 (UTC) reply
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The result was delete. sufficient consensus DGG ( talk ) 04:13, 6 August 2016 (UTC) reply

Roy Leep

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Hopefully we can finally get to a confirmed consensus considering the 2 other AfDs (3 if you count the third listed here at the side), my own searches have found nothing at all actually convincing and there's summarily nothing else better. SwisterTwister talk 07:09, 29 July 2016 (UTC) reply

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  • Delete local weather men are almost never notable. This article dates from the early days of Wikipedia when it was being fill up in a haphazard manner in a hobbyist way that ignored any sense of what a coherent encyclopedia that would really be beneficial to people would look like. John Pack Lambert ( talk) 04:22, 2 August 2016 (UTC) reply
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The result was delete. Editors are free to create a redirect, perhaps from the correctly spelled version of the name.  Sandstein  07:22, 6 August 2016 (UTC) reply

Menentukan Arah(Album Sheila On 7)

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A group created a record album. That's fine, but it does not enjoy inherent notability. Are there satisfactory references to demonstrate notability Edison ( talk) 02:07, 14 July 2016 (UTC) reply

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Delete. I would say redirect to Sheila on 7, but it is an improbable search term. I couldn't find any reliable sources that discuss this album in depth. These all seem like trivial mentions. I would check to see if the album charted but there's no Indonesian national chart listed at Wikipedia:Record charts. -- Cerebellum ( talk) 14:25, 5 August 2016 (UTC) reply

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The result was delete. sufficient consensus DGG ( talk ) 14:00, 6 August 2016 (UTC) reply

Imprima

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My searches noticeably found simply found nothing at all and that's not surprising because, even if it's from 100 years ago, it was apparently only relaunched 15 years ago; my searches including archived news have found nothing. SwisterTwister talk 02:46, 14 July 2016 (UTC) reply

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The result was no consensus. ( WP:NPASR). North America 1000 07:02, 5 August 2016 (UTC) reply

Database of Recorded American Music

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No evidence of notability. SST flyer 05:57, 14 July 2016 (UTC) reply

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The result was delete. North America 1000 07:06, 5 August 2016 (UTC) reply

Computer-aided Cross-cultural Communication Theory

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Obvious WP:NOTESSAY RegistryKey (RegEdit) 06:53, 29 July 2016 (UTC) reply

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The result was Keep. Andrew D. ( talk) 05:34, 1 August 2016 (UTC) reply

William Henry Lyttelton (1820–1884)

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Unremarkable minor clergyman (rank of rector / canon only). Status as son of aristocrat and husband of the daughter of a bishop appears to be basis of claimed notability ("he is an important local figure"). Dubbin u |  t |  c 07:03, 14 July 2016 (UTC) reply

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The result was redirect to Faber Drive. Per WP:NPASR (non-admin closure) — UY Scuti Talk 14:26, 5 August 2016 (UTC) reply

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Fails WP:GNG and WP:MUSICBIO. The only reliable sources that exist deal more with the band he was in ( Faber Drive) rather than the artist himself; since the band seems barely notable itself, WP:INHERIT applies here. Colonel Wilhelm Klink ( Complaints| Mistakes) 21:52, 7 July 2016 (UTC) reply

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  • Per WP:MUSICBIO, a musician whose notability is band-dependent, and who cannot be reliably sourced as having any independent notability separate from the band, gets a redirect to the band and not a standalone BLP — but this claims, and even more importantly sources, nothing that would make him eligible for a standalone article. Redirect to Faber Drive — although I note that even the band's article is entirely unsourced, and may itself be vulnerable to deletion if it can't be upreffed to a keepable standard. Bearcat ( talk) 17:57, 18 July 2016 (UTC) reply
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The result was Delete: unanimous. The editor who uses the pseudonym " JamesBWatson" ( talk) 14:30, 30 July 2016 (UTC) reply

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This is an article about a Japanese economist who is an associate professor at Ibaraki University. The article creator has previously posted reasons why the article should be deleted on the article's talk page, but I am not convinced that is enough to satisfy notability. I commenced translating the article, but ran out of motivation when I started to doubt the notability. I also believe it may be either an autobiography or written by someone close to the subject, as the author's only contributions on both the English and Japanese Wikis have been concerning Noda. If anybody wants help understanding the Japanese or has particular questions regarding the contents, I am willing to help with that. AtHomeIn神戸 ( talk) 07:47, 14 July 2016 (UTC) reply

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The result was redirect to The Starving Artists Project. North America 1000 06:59, 5 August 2016 (UTC) reply

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Absolutely no credible assertion of independent notability. Delete or redirect to The Starving Artists Project. Slashme ( talk) 16:38, 7 July 2016 (UTC) reply

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Redirect to The Starving Artists Project, since he does not pass WP:GNG and WP:ARTIST outside of this project. Arthistorian1977 ( talk) 11:09, 10 July 2016 (UTC) reply

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The result was delete. Nobody actually advocates anything other than deletion.  Sandstein  07:23, 6 August 2016 (UTC) reply

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Lack of any reliable sources covering the subject. Basically all the sources I could find were blogs, I previously tagged it for CSD G4, but it was declined. See also, previous AFD at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Linux Deepin. - Champion ( talk) ( contribs) (Formerly TheChampionMan1234) 01:39, 14 July 2016 (UTC) reply

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  • Comment. Hi there, we have collected several sources yet we are having trouble creating links with WebCite, we have initiated a plan to encourage international deepin users to help us editting this article. We believe that will be a better solution. As the Italian version of deepin's wiki page is so much better than the one we did. AlickDeepin ( talk) 06:19, 22 July 2016 (UTC) reply
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  • Delete I had a look at it before as well. My primary concern is that for software, it is quite easy to "create" news (particularly reviews). This needs to be evaluated alongside other softwares. What I see here is that a distro which is not really very popular - although it may be sometime in the future, maybe a couple of years? Per Wikipedia:NSOFTWARE I consider this as a WP:PRODUCT and there is no evidence that this is "significant in its particular field". Delete for now. -- Lemongirl942 ( talk) 13:22, 5 August 2016 (UTC) reply
  • Delete -- not independently notable. K.e.coffman ( talk) 05:07, 6 August 2016 (UTC) reply
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The result was delete. MBisanz talk 19:07, 6 August 2016 (UTC) reply

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fails WP:NHOCKEY and WP:GNG Joeykai ( talk) 09:17, 21 July 2016 (UTC) reply

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The result was delete. SOFTDELETE per low participation herein. North America 1000 00:31, 6 August 2016 (UTC) reply

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fails WP:NHOCKEY and WP:GNG Joeykai ( talk) 22:55, 14 July 2016 (UTC) reply

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The result was delete. MBisanz talk 19:07, 6 August 2016 (UTC) reply

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My searches have simply found nothing actually convincing and there's nothing else to actually suggest convincing independent notability. SwisterTwister talk 22:25, 14 July 2016 (UTC) reply

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The result was no consensus. Per WP:NPASR (non-admin closure) — UY Scuti Talk 14:17, 5 August 2016 (UTC) reply

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Apparently only best known for working at the New York Times so far and my searches have found no actual substantially convincing sources thus nothing to suggest independent notability. SwisterTwister talk 21:54, 14 July 2016 (UTC) reply

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The result was delete. consensus after relistings DGG ( talk ) 04:06, 6 August 2016 (UTC) reply

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No evidence of any notability except perhaps for losing a court case. Two published books appear to have no special notability and refs are from Amazon. The remaining refs show that he exists and and that he has helped set up an organisation in Northwest Indiana but no evidence of notability. Another real estate salesman (failed) of which there must be many thousands in the US alone.   Velella   Velella Talk   08:51, 14 July 2016 (UTC) reply

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The result was Keep. Sufficient consensus that WP:GNG is satisfied. Michig ( talk) 07:21, 5 August 2016 (UTC) reply

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Promotional and non notable. Makes medical claims without using MEDRS quality resources. I tagged it for A7and G111, but the tags were removed by another editor, who seems to think that the mere presence of references indicate possible importance even if they are just press press releases, DGG ( talk ) 07:16, 13 July 2016 (UTC) reply

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  • Keep – WP:GNG pass. Some sources below. The article does not have a particularly promotional tone, does not extol any greatness of the product, use peacock language, or encourage readers to purchase the product. Existence of an article ≠ automatic promotionalism by default in this case. North America 1000 17:35, 13 July 2016 (UTC) reply
  • Comment If " The device measures brain activity via a series of EEG sensors, the level of activity is fed back to the user via headphones. Brain waves that correspond to a more relaxed state are represented by tweeting birds, those corresponding to higher amounts of brain activity are represented by storm sounds. Using the headband helps in reaching a deep relaxed state relatively quickly compared to traditional meditation..... The goal of Museis to use biofeedback to train your brain,.. isn't straightforward advertising what its? Complete violation of MEDRS, so in any case the claims would have to be removed, leaving no content. DGG ( talk ) 05:07, 14 July 2016 (UTC) reply
  • Delete as the listed coverage is all still expected regarding the fact this is about a technology and, of course, the articles themselves simply talk about the product itself and its benefits; it's all still too soon and we're best waiting for later. Even with the articles themselves talking about its benefits and such, that's advertorial and thus nothing else to base better from. SwisterTwister talk 20:11, 15 July 2016 (UTC) reply
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The result was speedy keep. North America 1000 02:29, 31 July 2016 (UTC) reply

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She has had some success, but I am not convinced she meets WP:MUSICBIO or WP:GNG Boleyn ( talk) 21:52, 14 July 2016 (UTC) reply

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  • Keep she is favorably reviewed several times in Billboard and also in the Charleston Gazette. She also profiled in both sources. I also found a listing in Keyboard magazine, but I don't have access. I added most of these sources to the article and expanded it accordingly. Megalibrarygirl ( talk) 17:54, 21 July 2016 (UTC) reply
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The result was Delete. Michig ( talk) 07:12, 5 August 2016 (UTC) reply

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Fails WP:NBIO. Tagged for notability since June 2008. GeoffreyT2000 ( talk) 21:21, 21 July 2016 (UTC) reply

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The result was delete and redirect to Holy Sons.  Sandstein  07:20, 6 August 2016 (UTC) reply

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Unreferenced. No indication of notability Rathfelder ( talk) 13:59, 7 July 2016 (UTC) reply

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The result was redirect to Eels discography. Per WP:NPASR (non-admin closure) — UY Scuti Talk 14:14, 5 August 2016 (UTC) reply

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Does not appear to satisfy the notability criteria. FamblyCat94 ( talk) 06:33, 7 July 2016 (UTC) reply

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The result was delete. sufficient consensus DGG ( talk ) 22:20, 31 July 2016 (UTC) reply

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2014 AfD closed as no consensus, few responses and an assumption that better sources would be found (hasn't happened yet). It was closed with no prejudice to swift renomination if sources weren't added, but I left it a while instead. I still can't establish that he meets WP:BIO or WP:GNG - hopefully this time we can reach a consensus. Boleyn ( talk) 11:59, 21 July 2016 (UTC) reply

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The result was Delete. Michig ( talk) 07:09, 5 August 2016 (UTC) reply

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Non notable film producer. Fails GNG and is not notable as a producer - all his credits appear to be as Co-producer with others getting first billing Gbawden ( talk) 09:49, 14 July 2016 (UTC) reply

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The result was no consensus. Per WP:NPASR (non-admin closure) — UY Scuti Talk 14:10, 5 August 2016 (UTC) reply

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fails WP:NHOCKEY and WP:GNG Joeykai ( talk) 22:52, 14 July 2016 (UTC) reply

  • A quick search indicates that he does have some coverage, e.g., this and this, so I am not sure he fails GNG. 16:07, 20 July 2016 (UTC)
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  • Keep - the page needs some cleanup, but there are some good sources linked on the page, an awards of note, as well as the links in the note above. I'm thinking mainly of the USA Today article, which is dead but shows that he has had coverage, as well as [32] [33], [34] and others. Yvarta ( talk) 10:00, 5 August 2016 (UTC) reply
    • Note: Went through page more closely, and the USA Today is just the high school version. Still some other good state coverage with some curated awards, so I'd still vote keep, even though otherwise he barely passes WP:Hockey per nom. Yvarta ( talk) 11:40, 5 August 2016 (UTC) reply
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The result was delete.  Sandstein  07:16, 6 August 2016 (UTC) reply

Clash of Queens: Dragons Rise

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Unnotable video game released this in 2016, so it might be too soon for an article on this video game. Using the custom source search for video games brings up 0 results for "Clash of Queens: Dragons Rise" and there is no Metacritic page. I could find no proper coverage for this subject. Anarchyte ( work | talk) 12:15, 21 July 2016 (UTC) reply

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The result was delete. North America 1000 06:53, 5 August 2016 (UTC) reply

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From what can be found, the individual is just a typical lawyer and architect with no significant accomplishments. Anyways, there is not enough material to pass GNG. TheGracefulSlick ( talk) 06:26, 29 July 2016 (UTC) reply

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The result was speedy delete. Obvious spam regardless of notability Jimfbleak - talk to me? 06:23, 29 July 2016 (UTC) reply

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Clear WP:AUTO violation (see edit history), and non-notable (claimed) doctor easily failing WP:GNG. Also, no references. Pianoman320 ( talk) 06:04, 29 July 2016 (UTC) reply

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The result was speedily deleted by User:Jo-Jo Eumerus under criterion G7. (Non-admin closure) " Pepper" @ 03:58, 30 July 2016 (UTC) reply

List of Olympic male gymnasts for Bangladesh

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List containing only one entry. Fbdave ( talk) 03:22, 29 July 2016 (UTC) Comment - I created that article. Anyone can (or should) delete this. Because, I think I failed to add more than one player on this article because he was the ony gymnast from Bangladesh in Olympics ever. I've added just one source, which is I think inadequete and I think the article is very short assuming its weigh. Actually, I was inspired by List of Olympic female gymnasts for Hungary and similar ones. I thought of making any one or more articles regarding male gymnasts and most probably about Bangladesh. It's all so. Neebras ( talk) 03:48, 29 July 2016 (UTC) reply

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The result was Delete. WP:V concerns around lack of third-party reliable sources take precedence over arguments about school notability. Hut 8.5 12:13, 6 August 2016 (UTC) reply

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Non-notable, defunct organization, insufficiently sourced. Electoralist ( talk) 01:56, 29 July 2016 (UTC) reply

I don't see anything in the article or references "proving" it existed. They clearly had a website at one point, but that's about it. Pianoman320 ( talk) 16:09, 29 July 2016 (UTC) reply
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  • Delete per ORG. (ORG, a guideline, explicitly states that schools are held to the same notability standards as other organizations.) What's available is far less than the significant coverage in multiple independent reliable sources that our guidelines require. Rebb ing 01:06, 1 August 2016 (UTC) reply
  • Keep as a secondary school per longstanding precedent and consensus. -- Necrothesp ( talk) 08:36, 1 August 2016 (UTC) reply
Secondary schools are kept if they can be reliably sourced — but being a secondary school is not a claim of notability that entitles an article to an exemption from having to be sourceable. We have seen articles created about hoax high schools that didn't actually exist at all, so a high school does not get to keep an article just for claiming to be a high school if RS coverage can't be located to verify its existence as a high school. Bearcat ( talk) 16:44, 1 August 2016 (UTC) reply
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The result was delete. MBisanz talk 19:07, 6 August 2016 (UTC) reply

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Single sentence article, tagged as unsourced since 2009, non-notable organization and as it is defunct unlikely to ever be notable Electoralist ( talk) 01:53, 29 July 2016 (UTC) reply

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The result was delete.  Sandstein  07:19, 6 August 2016 (UTC) reply

Lin Liangming

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This footballer fails WP:NFOOTBALL as a player that has not played in any WP:FPL (fully proffessional league). Soccer8295 ( talk) 01:39, 29 July 2016 (UTC) reply

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Seems like the first nomination already voted in favour of keeping this article, so there's no point for another discussion (although I personally think it should be deleted). MYS 77 ✉ 21:44, 31 July 2016 (UTC) reply
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The result was Already speedily deleted G11. (non-admin closure) Shawn in Montreal ( talk) 14:53, 29 July 2016 (UTC) reply

Steak and eggs diet

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Not notable, fails WP:GNG Searches come up with blogs and not much else. ThePlatypusofDoom (talk) 01:37, 29 July 2016 (UTC) reply

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The result was delete. North America 1000 06:51, 5 August 2016 (UTC) reply

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The result was delete. MBisanz talk 19:08, 6 August 2016 (UTC) reply

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The result was delete. MBisanz talk 19:08, 6 August 2016 (UTC) reply

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The result was delete. MBisanz talk 19:08, 6 August 2016 (UTC) reply

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The result was delete. MBisanz talk 19:08, 6 August 2016 (UTC) reply

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The result was Delete. Michig ( talk) 07:03, 5 August 2016 (UTC) reply

Sound Performance LTD

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seems to fail WP:COMPANY and WP:GNG. nothing notable, nothing encyclopaedic, cannot see why its presence here is justified Rayman60 ( talk) 00:58, 29 July 2016 (UTC) reply

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  • Delete and I frankly would've considered this speedy material as the Entrepreneur source is by all means, nowhere close to the needed substance, and there's simply nothing else actually better. SwisterTwister talk 22:30, 29 July 2016 (UTC) reply
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The result was delete.  Sandstein  07:16, 6 August 2016 (UTC) reply

List of maritime science fiction media

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Made-up genre based on one fansite article and a smidgin of original research. Orange Mike | Talk 00:46, 29 July 2016 (UTC) reply

Note that Taeyebar used the category to return today and change the lead yet again at Voyage to the Bottom of the Sea and The Abyss. For him this is an excuse to edit war. - Gothicfilm ( talk) 00:30, 30 July 2016 (UTC) reply

User:Betty Logan, I think it does because it's obviously not properly sourced yet. I think it was written too prematurely. Saving it as a draft would give us time to build on it before publishing it again.-- Taeyebar 02:08, 30 July 2016 (UTC) reply

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The result was Speedy delete - already deleted as G7, per author's request (non-admin closure). GermanJoe ( talk) 12:02, 29 July 2016 (UTC) reply

الغوص الحرّ

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I wrote an Arabic article in English Wikipedia Akram1988 ( talk) 23:59, 28 July 2016 (UTC) reply

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The result was delete. MBisanz talk 19:08, 6 August 2016 (UTC) reply

Jimmy Martin (ice hockey)

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fails WP:NHOCKEY and WP:GNG Joeykai ( talk) 00:05, 29 July 2016 (UTC) reply

  • Delete: Article on NN hockey player created by the editor in question in defiance of consensus that belonging to a collegiate "all-tournament" team has never been considered notable under any iteration of NHOCKEY, the sort of shenanigans for which he was community banned from new article creation. Subject had a brief and undistinguished career in the mid-minor leagues, and there's no evidence that he meets the GNG. Ravenswing 01:59, 29 July 2016 (UTC) reply
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  1. ^ But see also WP:SCHOOLOUTCOMES, especially for universities
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The result was redirect to Traction Labs. Consensus that this is not independently notable. Editors are now free to merge stuff from history and/or nominate Traction Labs for deletion too.  Sandstein  07:19, 6 August 2016 (UTC) reply

Buzzstarter

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Company has pivoted and changed names and focus. Also, page has been hijacked by a former employee. Kleubay ( talk) 23:58, 29 July 2016 (UTC) reply

  • Comment - @ Kleubay: - that sounds like an argument for bringing the article up to date (even if it's only a source clarifying that the company ceased operations/rebranded) rather than deleting. One of Wikipedia's principles is that if a company was notable once but no longer exists or has been renamed, the article should not be deleted but retained as a record of past events - that notability is not temporary. Can you clarify? Blythwood ( talk) 12:33, 30 July 2016 (UTC) reply
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I am actually willing for this (thus I change my vote) as I concur this other company, Traction Labs, certainly seems questionable and there seems to not be any otherwise actually convincing information there. SwisterTwister talk 04:23, 6 August 2016 (UTC) reply
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The result was delete. a suitable case for honoring the subject's wishes DGG ( talk ) 04:19, 6 August 2016 (UTC) reply

Constantia Oomen

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Individual does not appear to meet notability guidelines, maybe borderline at best. The author herself has requested deletion ( WP:BLPREQUESTDELETE) in the page history. Sro23 ( talk) 23:20, 29 July 2016 (UTC) reply

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  • Delete as I know I had encountered this recently but I'm not finding exactly where; by all means there's frankly nothing actually convincing and regardless I would've PRODed also, nothing actually substantial. SwisterTwister talk 07:37, 31 July 2016 (UTC) reply

- Yes, please delete, old and outdated. By author: Constantia Oomen (August 1, 2016) — Preceding unsigned comment added by ThroughTheWindow ( talk • contribs) 20:08, 1 August 2016 (UTC) reply

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The result was delete.  Sandstein  09:06, 6 August 2016 (UTC) reply

David Grossman (consultant)

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Basically still an advertorial job listing since DGG nominated in January, examining this found nothing at all substantially better apart from interviews, press releases, his own authored articles, trivial passing mentions and other unacceptable sources; my own searches have also mirrored this by noticeably finding only press releases and mentions. The 2 sources listed at the other AfD were simply interviews and nothing else convincing. That also seems to the basis here, "inheriting notability" from the listed notable news sources and even the "Keep" votes were either saying "they liked his work" (the article's author) or "the article is (quote) bloated, feels promotional, probably needs much trimming"....and there's summarily nothing to suggest confidently improving and keeping. SwisterTwister talk 22:57, 29 July 2016 (UTC) reply

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  • Delete - the considerable effort involved in wading through all the references was not rewarded in any way with any sense of notability. It reads like the work of a dutiful acolyte, although I guess that probably isn't so, but it is just a puff piece.   Velella   Velella Talk   00:04, 30 July 2016 (UTC) reply
  • Delete. No evidence of notability. Just a worthy but routine corporate person. Xxanthippe ( talk) 00:22, 30 July 2016 (UTC). reply
  • Keep Agree previous article was bloated with cruft and promotional junk but this has been removed as per WP:HEYMANN and fixed up, and Grossman is regarded as an expert in internal corporate communications -- that is the story -- the David Grossman of Freshii is different (if you google "David Grossman" and "Freshii" with images, you'll see a different face).-- Tomwsulcer ( talk) 00:24, 30 July 2016 (UTC) reply
While the changes may be noticeable, I'm still not seeing enough to convincingly suggest keeping. SwisterTwister talk 00:29, 30 July 2016 (UTC) reply
Where is the evidence that Grossman is regarded as an expert in internal corporate communications? Xxanthippe ( talk) 00:32, 30 July 2016 (UTC). reply
The Wall Street Journal and Globe & Mail and Chicago Tribune and other highly-regarded publications consider him as an expert, quoting his studies about emails and inter-office communication again and again.-- Tomwsulcer ( talk) 00:54, 30 July 2016 (UTC) reply
We required multiple in-depth treatments. There is nothing on GS or GB. Xxanthippe ( talk) 01:00, 30 July 2016 (UTC). reply
Grossman gets a lot of ink here and almost an entire article here and here and here. There are about 16 solid references as of this revamped version. The Chicago Tribune interviews him in-depth here. Seems to me he clearly meets WP:RS or WP:BLP.-- Tomwsulcer ( talk) 01:22, 30 July 2016 (UTC) reply
Feeble indeed. Just passing mentions on blogs or blurb from trade journalists desperate to salvage copy from a PR release. Wikipedia requires evidence of substantial career achievement. Xxanthippe ( talk) 02:29, 30 July 2016 (UTC). reply
Curious -- does the Sewer, Gas & Electric stuff belong on this page for some reason?-- Tomwsulcer ( talk) 00:54, 30 July 2016 (UTC) reply
Note that it was a vandalizing IP. SwisterTwister talk 00:58, 30 July 2016 (UTC) reply
  • Delete -- non notable consultant with advice such as "To cope with overloaded email inboxes, Grossman does not believe in email black-outs or time-outs, but that a better arrangement is to encourage better use of email by employees." The sourcing does not suggest notability to me. K.e.coffman ( talk) 03:49, 30 July 2016 (UTC) reply
  • Delete. A person is not notable in his field if the only way he can get a book published presenting his work is to do it himself via AuthorHouse. The asserted publisher of the 2nd ed., "Little Brown Dog Publishing" is an imprint owned by his company for the sole purpose of publishing his work [1] The current articles is about as much of an advertisement as the previous--the quotations in the sources demonstrate the promotional intent, and the promotional result. This is almost a G11, and I was amazed when it was kept at AfD1. The effort made it improving it was substantial, but it failed, because the article is hopeless--there is not enough notability or true non-PR sources to write an article. DGG ( talk ) 04:39, 30 July 2016 (UTC) reply
  • Delete no sources about him directly. non-notable.-- TonyTheTiger ( T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 19:13, 30 July 2016 (UTC) reply
  • Delete This is a puff piece that would need a fundamental rewrite even if notability was not a concern. Tazerdadog ( talk) 07:15, 6 August 2016 (UTC) reply
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The result was Delete. Michig ( talk) 07:45, 6 August 2016 (UTC) reply

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No doubt a very worthy organisation but there is no evidence that it is notable. Both refs are from the web-site of its parent organisation and nothing more. Fails WP:GNG   Velella   Velella Talk   22:27, 29 July 2016 (UTC) reply

  • Delete and I nearly PRODed but that would've likely been removed anyway, there's by all means nothing at all close to the needed substance and notability to suggest this can actually be substantially improved. SwisterTwister talk 22:40, 29 July 2016 (UTC) reply
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The result was delete. MBisanz talk 19:03, 6 August 2016 (UTC) reply

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Insufficient notability requirements as per WP:Politician. A municipal councillor and then an unsuccessful candidate for mayor is insufficient for a standalone biography article. She has received press coverage but not as significant in multiple in-depth sources as described by WP:BIO quotation (also read the details in the footnote in that section):

  1. Just being an elected local official, or an unelected candidate for political office, does not guarantee notability, although such people can still be notable if they meet the primary notability criterion of "significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subject of the article".

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  • Surrey is not an internationally famous global city, so its city councillors are not automatically notable just because they exist (the fact that Vancouver gets the global city pass does not hand a notability freebie to Vancouver's suburbs) — rather, Surrey is in the class of cities where a city councillor gets an article only if she can be solidly and reliably sourced as significantly more notable than the norm to a readership that extends beyond Surrey alone. But the sourcing here doesn't do that; nearly half of it is primary sourcing to press releases from non-media organizations and the city's own website, and the half that is media coverage is split between purely WP:ROUTINE local coverage of the type that every city councillor in every city on the planet always gets because covering local politics is the local media's job, and glancing namechecks of her existence in non-localized coverage of Surrey politics that isn't about her. This is not how a city councillor in a non-global city gets a Wikipedia article. If the Globe and Mail and National Post sources were about her, then there'd be a case for inclusion — but they just mention her name in passing while being about something or someone else, and that's not enough to make her more notable than the norm for a city councillor. Delete. Bearcat ( talk) 17:23, 31 July 2016 (UTC) reply
  • Delete Surrey is not significant enough to make city councilors default notable. John Pack Lambert ( talk) 20:54, 1 August 2016 (UTC) reply
  • Delete -- a non-notable local politician. Coverage does not suggest notability. K.e.coffman ( talk) 04:46, 6 August 2016 (UTC) reply
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The result was Merge and redirect as a week has not suggested anything else, history contents are available in the logs if anyone needs them. I would've redirected initially if it wasn't for the fact this was still questionable by itself and, also, advertorial. At least we have a consensus in case this gets moved again later (NAC). SwisterTwister talk 21:46, 5 August 2016 (UTC) reply

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Still nothing actually suggestive of the needed substance and I confirm everything I said with both my PROD and speedy. SwisterTwister talk 21:55, 29 July 2016 (UTC) reply

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The result was delete. apparent consenus DGG ( talk ) 14:00, 6 August 2016 (UTC) reply

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PROD removed with the apparent basis "it may meet notability" (although there's certainly no inherited notability and, I'll emphasize also, that there would still need to be the needed coverage) but I still confirm the PROD as there's still nothing actually convincing. SwisterTwister talk 21:56, 29 July 2016 (UTC) reply

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  • Comment – Note that I deprodded the article using the rationale "Decline prod. May meet WP:CREATIVE per the subject's works and career" ( diff), rather than per the erroneous quote as stated in the nomination atop. Please do not misquote Wikipedia users, which is misleading. North America 1000 22:07, 29 July 2016 (UTC) reply
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The result was Deleted WP:G5 and SNOW. --  GB  fan 15:06, 1 August 2016 (UTC) reply

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Article is an unusual spelling of the Tagalog name for bamboo (see tl:Kawayan). No need for this term on en.wiki where it will just make it harder for people to find the tl.wiki article. Plantdrew ( talk) 21:37, 29 July 2016 (UTC) reply

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  • Delete If it's an important nickname for Acidosasa or for a member of the family, and sourcedly so, it should be mentioned at the main article and not have a side article created for the nickname. Searching for "Kawaiian" also only really provided results for the word kawaii. -- Mr. Magoo ( talk) 23:48, 29 July 2016 (UTC) reply
    • Additional Comment I also find it odd that Acidosasa is only supposed to be found in Southern China and Vietnam, but our Kawaiian claims it's found in Philippines. So, we're not even talking about this bamboo species in particular? It gets even more vague than that? I tried searching for a species it could be, but there are numerous bamboo species to be found in the Philippines. The tl.wiki article, when translated, only talked about "bamboo". The article also provides generic bamboo imagery of just about any bamboo species. It just seems to be a generic word for bamboo? -- Mr. Magoo ( talk) 00:00, 30 July 2016 (UTC) reply
As far as I can tell, it's just the generic Tagalog word for bamboo. Plantdrew ( talk) 00:54, 30 July 2016 (UTC) reply
An alternate spelling of the Tagalog word "Kawayan" most likely.-- Hariboneagle927 ( talk) 04:35, 30 July 2016 (UTC) reply
  • Delete As original PROD-er, I find the word impossible to find by search. (A single, "wordpress" blogspot doesn't count.) If it is indeed another name (Tagalog) of a taxonomically designated species of bamboo, it belongs in that article — but certainly not as a stand alone. Articles are about subjects, not different names of said subjects. Thanks, GenQuest "Talk to Me" 05:14, 1 August 2016 (UTC) reply
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The result was delete. MBisanz talk 19:04, 6 August 2016 (UTC) reply

Simio

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PROD removed by a drive-by user even after it was endorsed Anarchyte and I still confirm everything I said here but, fortunately, with this 2nd AfD (the first one was closed as Speedied), we can at least have G4. Although this is tagged as "new user and assume good faith", there's simply no chances of this actually being notable as I note several things: nothing satisfying the applicable notability, the sources are simply not convincing and searches, again, simply found nothing better. SwisterTwister talk 21:27, 29 July 2016 (UTC) reply

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Delete and, again, delete. I just tagged it for speedy, then realized it's been around for a while, so, in case it gets untagged, I'm contributing here. I looked for an earlier, non-spammy version—and couldn't find one. The version when deprodded was terribly promotional: "so even novice at programming languages can also use it easily", " which gives better risk measurement", "helps making real time decisions", "users can intuitively and graphically build a model", "users easily switch the display", "Simio enable [sic]", "Simio can provide", and the entire litany of things that Simio is said to be good for. And that "Further Reading" section. I can't believe it's avoided deletion before now. Largoplazo ( talk) 20:04, 1 August 2016 (UTC) reply
  • Comment I removed the tag. If the language were changed, would the underlying content be satisfactory? DGG ( talk ) 00:38, 2 August 2016 (UTC) reply
    • I must not be understanding your question. Your proposition, "If the language were changed, would the underlying content be satisfactory" says to me that G11 doesn't apply if someone could have written a completely different, neutral article about the subject, and I'm pretty sure that that isn't true. The language is what G11 is about. This article, as written, is promotional through and through. Largoplazo ( talk) 00:53, 2 August 2016 (UTC) reply
G11 is for articles that "would need to be fundamentally rewritten to become encyclopedic. If...the content could plausibly be replaced with text that complies with neutral point of view, this is preferable to deletion" I removed G11 from this article because I think I could fairly easily rewrite it, as I have rewritten many hundreds of articles over the years. (Sometimes I am even prepared to do the fundamental rewriting that can make a valid G11 non-promotional--I've done that many dozen times by now.) I do this selectively, , when I think there is sufficient notability to be worth the troubleI therefore ask those who wish to delete the article, Is there sufficient basis of notability here to make it practical? (Yes, I normally formi my own judgment on this, but I sometimes want other opinions,--in this case, because I think it's borderline in both respects. DGG ( talk ) 04:25, 2 August 2016 (UTC) reply
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The result was delete.  Sandstein  07:20, 6 August 2016 (UTC) reply

Johannes Eggestein

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Speedy deletion per WP:G4 was declined, but the underlying notability concerns remain. He has still not played in a fully pro league or received significant coverage, meaning the article still fails WP:NSPORT and WP:GNG. Sir Sputnik ( talk) 20:24, 29 July 2016 (UTC) reply

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The result was delete. MBisanz talk 19:04, 6 August 2016 (UTC) reply

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Usual stuff: young footballer that fails WP:GNG and WP:FOOTYN (no professional appearances as of yet). Luxic ( talk) 20:02, 29 July 2016 (UTC) reply

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The result was delete. MBisanz talk 19:04, 6 August 2016 (UTC) reply

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Non-notable social media "star". While they have a large Instagram following, I only found this article: [2], which mentions him, but as part of an article on internet "stars". RickinBaltimore ( talk) 19:15, 29 July 2016 (UTC) reply

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The result was keep. obvious strong consensus DGG ( talk ) 04:10, 6 August 2016 (UTC) reply

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This article is on the U.S. tax form 1040 for individuals. It reads far too close to explaining how to do a tax return, especially by giving "who must file" and "signature requirement" sections, explaining different ways to file, and so on. The IRS is the authority on this - Wikipedia is not a manual, nor do we give advice. This article was expanded by a paid editor who is getting paid on page hits by User:Vipul - see Wikipedia:Conflict of interest/Noticeboard#Form 1120. An AfD on Form 1120 resulted in a redirect to IRS tax forms. I attempted to do the same here, but another paid editor associated with Vipul, has repeatedly undone the redirect. Therefore, I am bringing this to AfD for community consensus. MSJapan ( talk) 18:45, 29 July 2016 (UTC) reply

I would report the above editors to the Administrators, if I were you. GUtt01 ( talk) 18:59, 29 July 2016 (UTC) reply
That's a different issue. We're here at AfD because the content itself is a problem. An ANI report on this matter is much bigger than just this article. MSJapan ( talk) 19:33, 29 July 2016 (UTC) reply
Redirect: I will agree with MSJapan on a redirect. However, the user should have done an AfD when the blank-and-redirect they did was reverted, not attempt to revert the user (mentioned above) a couple of times themselves as much. GUtt01 ( talk) 20:10, 29 July 2016 (UTC) reply
Those 3RR templates you placed are inappropriate for several reasons: neither of us violated the rule, nor did we continue to edit after reaching three reverts over a week ago. Please remove them per my request on your talk page. MSJapan ( talk) 20:19, 29 July 2016 (UTC) reply
I am withdrawing my vote for Redirection. I believe it's best that US editors discuss this. GUtt01 ( talk) 20:42, 29 July 2016 (UTC) reply
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Yes, and the "normal editorial process" is being suborned by paid editors. MSJapan ( talk) 21:40, 29 July 2016 (UTC) reply
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Those are also guidebooks to a form legally required to be filled out. How is it not a case of WP:ENN? MSJapan ( talk) 21:40, 29 July 2016 (UTC) reply
Where are guidebooks or legal mandates listed as exceptions to GNG? — David Eppstein ( talk) 21:47, 29 July 2016 (UTC) reply
They're not, but let me clarify: WP:NOTHOWTO certainly seems to indicate there are exceptions to use of sources. How can one reliably source material from a "how-to guide" in such a way that the article does not reflect the "how-to-ness" of the source, given that one cannot use a source for something it does not say? Frankly, it's not appropriate to be breaking down what goes on what line, who can file in what bracket and on what form, and so on. That's telling the reader how to file their taxes, and I'm pretty sure, policy aside, we're not legally allowed to pretend to be tax preparers or give tax advice. Take all that out, though, and there's nothing left besides "the 1040 is an individual tax form; it has lines for stuff." MSJapan ( talk) 22:02, 29 July 2016 (UTC) reply
Don't make the mistake of thinking that the books on it are only how-to guides. For instance the first one of the ones I listed, "Learning to Love Form 1040: Two Cheers for the Return-Based Mass Income Tax", is not. Another likely source (of shorter length) is A short history of Form 1040, Harper's, 1977 (subscription required). There are also many more-technical publications about it in Google scholar. — David Eppstein ( talk) 22:49, 29 July 2016 (UTC) reply
  • Comment - With edits like [11]? So the article is going to tell me where I can deduct my sales tax, and that I can deduct other types of taxes, too. This is precisely the sort of thing we should not be doing with this article, and it's precisely what's going to end up in the article, especially when there's a batch of paid editors working on it who make money based on how many people come here and look at the article. Turning it into an advice article contrary to policy is directly going to benefit them. But fine, you all want to leave this here, claim it needs to be improved, and then ignore it entirely, allowing a bunch of undisclosed paid editors do what they want with it, that's fine with me. Who needs policy anyway? MSJapan ( talk) 23:04, 31 July 2016 (UTC) reply
To clarify, none of the paid editors working on the Form 1040 page are paid for pageviews. Since this seemed to be causing confusion, it was recently addressed in an update. I'm not sure how you are using the word "undisclosed"; all of the contributors are listed. Riceissa ( talk) 00:18, 1 August 2016 (UTC) reply
@ Riceissa:I'm glad it was addressed off-site, but that's not how paid editing disclosure works here on Wikipedia. That's why you're "not sure of how I am using a word"; that does not, however, mean that you are "correct." You are out of compliance with the requirements as set out in policy, and thus, you and your entire group are undisclosed paid editors. If any of you had responded to the thread on COIN, you'd know that, but you didn't, and your employer ignored what he was told. See WP:PAID. MSJapan ( talk) 20:21, 1 August 2016 (UTC) reply
  • Strong Keep and improve. Just because the article was (arguably) tainted with some questionable edits, doesn't mean it should be deleted. I've deleted some HOWTO-information, and added references to the risk of identity theft and to the cost of filing taxes. Dandv 06:09, 2 August 2016 (UTC) reply
Just as an FYI, the fundamental problem is the sourcing - when the sources are limited to the IRS and sites that are used to do taxes and give tax tips (Intuit, Investopedia, etc.), there's no way to write an article that isn't slanted towards advice, because that is what those sites are for in the first place. I've cleaned out everything that implies or explicitly states: "you should", "you must", "this goes here", "the requirements to use this form are", and so on. I also took out trivia about line numbers. MSJapan ( talk) 16:50, 2 August 2016 (UTC) reply
While phrasings like "should" and "note" have also raised flags with me, I believe that your unilaterally wiping out of over 20,000 bytes of knowledge on August 2 was a bit extreme. I've only undone so far your deletion of my edit and its surrounding sections, which had no advice information and offered factual figures, letting the reader make up their mind. Please consider improving the article instead. -- Dandv 04:11, 3 August 2016 (UTC) reply
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The result was Delete. Michig ( talk) 07:51, 6 August 2016 (UTC) reply

Top Gear (series 10, episode 1)

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Notability of Article is Questionable, per Wikipedia:Notability and WP:GNG; there is hardly any reason to create an article to detail an episode of a magazine programme GUtt01 ( talk) 18:31, 29 July 2016 (UTC) reply

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  • Merge or delete - Perhaps if a great many reviews were collected for this episode, it would be worth keeping. I'll do a quick search. But as is, none of the content on the page is usable or sourced, so until something proper is built, I would say merging to Top Gear (series 10) is best for readers. Yvarta ( talk) 20:47, 30 July 2016 (UTC) reply
    • Comment - I couldn't find significant coverage of the episode, though my google skills aren't infallible. These were the only sources I could find that weren't showtime listings with a synopsis - [12]. and GTSpirit. Yvarta ( talk) 20:54, 30 July 2016 (UTC) reply
I wouldn't merge this with the Series 10 article for Top Gear (2002 TV Series); the list in this article contain brief, short summaries, not extensive, detailed overviews of each episode. GUtt01 ( talk) 21:08, 30 July 2016 (UTC) reply
My apologies, I meant to type redirect, not merge. But I agree with your assessment. Yvarta ( talk) 14:13, 1 August 2016 (UTC) reply
@ Yvarta: I just checked your sources, and found that one only provides a brief summary of exactly what is in the episode, and not what is detailed in the article under proposition for deletion. The other is hardly a good source, because it seems to list moments from the top 10 episodes of Top Gear, and features clips taken from their official channel on YouTube. GUtt01 ( talk) 01:14, 31 July 2016 (UTC) reply
  • Delete: If an article is for an episode of a drama, sci-fi, or fantasy show, it would be alright to keep it as long as it detailed the plot and provided info on the cast and production crew. This article is for an episode of a magazine motoring show. All times listed in it are described in other articles connected to the parent one of Top Gear (2002 TV Series); News will be outdated by now; Opinions and Criticism of a car should be part of its article on the site, under any information describing its reception. GUtt01 ( talk) 22:17, 30 July 2016 (UTC) reply
  • Delete: There is no question in my mind about this. The article has little to no notability as a stand-alone page and has no references to back up even a single sentence in the text included within. As mentioned above, all details of importance can be included in the series summary article and/or pages of the cars reviewed in said episode. Aw16 ( talk) 17:31, 31 July 2016 (UTC) reply
  • Delete. An article on a single episode of an entertainment show? Really? -- Necrothesp ( talk) 14:04, 2 August 2016 (UTC) reply
  • Delete - We already have List of Top Gear episodes which is sufficient, No need to start creating individual eps. 01:13, 6 August 2016 (UTC)
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The result was delete. MBisanz talk 19:04, 6 August 2016 (UTC) reply

Sonny Bama

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Unfortunately G4 was removed as it's not symmetrical to the 1st AfD but the non-notability is still there, nothing here is actually convincing and my own searches have found nothing else better. SwisterTwister talk 18:07, 29 July 2016 (UTC) reply

  • Keep

Page meets guidelines for WP:MUSIC by having coverage in reliable publications and has released albums on a large independent label with many notable artists. Jdogg Shaw ( talk) 06:28, 30 July 2016 (UTC) reply

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  • Delete: just because the record label has notable artists doesn't make Sonny Bama himself notable – see WP:INHERIT. As for reliable sources... two are links to the album on iTunes, the two links to AllMusic only credit Sonny Bama as one of several producers on the albums mentioned (not enough to make him notable), the Datpiff reference is a blog written by a hip hop artist friend of Bama's (not a proper journalist), Average Joe's is the label Bama is signed to, Al.com is an advertising and promotion firm so those two links aren't independent either... and finally Jdogg Shaw, you are John Shaw, the person who wrote the two reviews on Select-o-Hits, which is the the distribution label for Bama's records. So in fact there are no independent reliable sources at all in the article, and you have a conflict of interest which you haven't declared. Overall, this fails WP:MUSICBIO and WP:GNG. Richard3120 ( talk) 01:43, 1 August 2016 (UTC) reply
  • Delete non-notable musician. John Pack Lambert ( talk) 04:39, 2 August 2016 (UTC) reply
  • Keep According to WP:MUSIC "Has released two or more albums on a major record label or on one of the more important indie labels (i.e., an independent label with a history of more than a few years, and with a roster of performers, many of whom are independently notable)." should be sufficient to keep the article. Average Joes and its history more than meets the guidelines. Sonny Bama has also worked with notable artists and produced for them. Furthermore, Richard3120 I have no idea who you are speaking of. No conflict of interest here. I'm just a fan of music in this genre. Jdogg Shaw ( talk) 21:55, 2 August 2016 (UTC) reply
Apologies then for the accusation, if it isn't true. But then you would agree that the two reviews of Sonny Bama by his own label are not independent and are therefore not reliable sources. By the way, you can't vote twice, so your second keep vote should be struck. Richard3120 ( talk) 21:59, 2 August 2016 (UTC) reply
  • Delete Jdogg Shaw ( talk) The key wording in WP:MUSIC criteria is "may be notable..." Having releases on notable labels listed on AllMusic is not an automatic qualifier. Rather, it's a starting point. This article lacks independent quality references that indicate this artist is notable. The argument here seems to be that this subject deserves a page based on two flaws of WP articles that are often deleted: WP:INHERIT and WP:EDPN. ShelbyMarion ( talk) 09:32, 4 August 2016 (UTC) reply
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The result was delete. North America 1000 00:21, 6 August 2016 (UTC) reply

Ronda Eller

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Deleted in 2006 and I frankly am still not finding anything actually convincing and I would've frankly PRODed if not for that 1st AfD. SwisterTwister talk 17:38, 29 July 2016 (UTC) reply

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  • Delete as per above. My search of Canadian media didn't yield anything.-- Tomwsulcer ( talk) 21:58, 30 July 2016 (UTC) reply
  • In 2005, a person's own primary source website about themselves was often considered enough verification to prevent an article from being deleted even if reliable source coverage about her in real media was nonexistent. But those rules have been tightened up considerably, because we learned a lot of hard lessons about how flawed that model was — and 11 years later, when the rules are much tighter and it's RS or bust, there's still no RS coverage here. Delete. Bearcat ( talk) 16:50, 1 August 2016 (UTC) reply
  • Delete', does not meet WP:ANYBIO or WP:GNG, a gsearch under all 3 names mentioned in the article yields nothing that contributes to notability, just some facebook and blog pages. Coolabahapple ( talk) 13:39, 2 August 2016 (UTC) reply
  • Delete I tried my hand at searching all the different names and couldn't find anything either. I love seeing poet entries on Wikipedia and have written several myself but that's only possible if there are sources to base an entry on. Without them, not much to discuss. Innisfree987 ( talk) 19:44, 2 August 2016 (UTC) reply
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The result was delete.  Sandstein  09:08, 6 August 2016 (UTC) reply

Thru (company)

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PROD removed (I still confirm everything I said there) apparently with the basis that they believed everything listed still suggests notability and substance but it's not actually the case. All sources listed are simply either press releases or trivial mentions. SwisterTwister talk 17:30, 29 July 2016 (UTC) reply

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The result was Delete. Michig ( talk) 07:53, 6 August 2016 (UTC) reply

Awdhesh Singh

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NonNotable mid-level officer. One of the many Commissioner ranking officers of India. Just a bureaucrat doing his job. His book is also not notable. Fails WP:BIO and WP:GNG. Speedy delete. Uncletomwood ( talk) 17:07, 29 July 2016 (UTC) reply

SwisterTwister DGG John Pack Lambert comments please. Uncletomwood ( talk) 17:10, 29 July 2016 (UTC) reply

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  • Delete. " Just a bureaucrat doing his job" is not a helpful description--the likelihood of notability depends on what the job is. (and similarly for all "just a ..." arguments.) Based on the articles on Indian Administrative Serviceand Divisional CommissionermI think I would accept such a post in theIAS as presumptive notable-- I interpret it as there is one per state, which would be about 30 people. But the subject is not a commission in the IAS,but in the Revenue Service, which is a lower branch of administration,and I do not see why that should lead to presumptive notability. DGG ( talk ) 19:46, 29 July 2016 (UTC) reply
  • Comment: Like to clear out a few things to non Indian editors. 1) Divisional Commissioner is one per district/zone in India. So a state like Uttar Pradesh would have more than even 40 divisional commissioners in a single state. 2) The post is again hardly notable in it self. 3) Indian Revenue Service is definitely not a lower branch of administration and is a premier civil service of the Government of India and is in the same rank as the IAS. They are recruited through the same exam. 4) The subject matter of the article has does nothing notable and has little sources to reference his article. Almost all IRS officers above the rank of Principal Commissioner are indeed notable as they head various zones. Uncletomwood ( talk) 04:21, 30 July 2016 (UTC) reply
thats not what our article on them say. DGG ( talk ) 15:23, 30 July 2016 (UTC) reply
It's the same thing but Hhaha, you should know better than to rely only on Wikipedia. Uncletomwood ( talk) 16:32, 30 July 2016 (UTC) reply
  • Question Is Singh the essentially over the collection of customs in Chennai? If that is the case, with that being such a major city so central to international trade, that might be a position that makes him notable. John Pack Lambert ( talk) 20:38, 1 August 2016 (UTC) reply
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The result was keep. Nomination withdrawn. The article has improved since the AfD began. However, the nominator recommends the article creator go through the Articles for Creation process to avoid similar problems in the future. ( non-admin closure) Gestrid ( talk) 19:24, 31 July 2016 (UTC) reply

Chamba Chukh

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This article does not meet the general notability guidelines. Gestrid ( talk) 16:41, 29 July 2016 (UTC) reply

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Hi everyone,

Pasting some of the notes sent to Gestrid here for help explaining and improving the page: Some references and links for consideration:

Notes by Anujkaps

Government of India's DRDA's (District Rural Development Agency) Chamba pages list of trained makers and self help groups: http://drdachamba.org/Schemes/SHGs/SHGInvt/Chamba/Inventory/main1.htm

Newspapers, publications and blogs for reference: http://www.thehimachal.com/himachal/chamba-chukh-pickle-88888/ http://www.divyahimachal.com/2013/11/himachals-delicacies-need-promotion/ http://www.annapurnaz.in/a-fiery-tangy-gift-from-chamba-chukh-hot-red-chili-chutney/ https://mygourmetsaga.wordpress.com/2015/11/07/chukh-kick-ass-mushy-pickle-exclusive-of-chamba-valley/


Company pages selling & marketing Chukh:

http://www.amazon.in/Himachilli-Chukh-Chilli-Gulgul-Citrus/dp/B016M9GSC6 http://himalayanpeople.com/collections/himachillichukh http://www.placeoforigin.in/spicy-garlic-chilli-himachilli-chukh-garlic-online https://soulbowl.in/shop/sauces-jams-pickles/vales-ginger-garlic-chukh-450gm.html

NOTE: The state government is in the process of updating its online resources to give greater mention and space to Chamba Chukh. This is anticipated soon.

Regards Anujkaps ( talk) 17:30, 29 July 2016 (UTC) reply


Dear all,

I am a friend of AnujKaps. He pointed me to this page and chat. I have located a Wikipedia page that also references Chukh ( /info/en/?search=Indian_cuisine#Himachal_Pradesh). So I thought to provide it for your consideration for inclusion as a reference to this chat.

Regards — Preceding unsigned comment added by GeetikaPandya ( talk • contribs) 18:35, 29 July 2016 (UTC) reply


Dear Robert, Thanks for your note re: canvassing. I am aware of that clause and have been extremely careful not to canvass.

The page being discussed for deletion <Chamba Chukh> is something also being discussed quite widely in our community in Himachal offline. I have in fact contacted my friends who are also from the region to NOT EDIT the page and also to NOT get onto the discussion board. However if they do, they should EXPRESSLY SPECIFY that they know me and should state that upfront in the interest of complete transparency.

I will ask them to refrain from entering the conversation entirely, if that is more desirable. I can put forth their arguments through my own Username, if that is preferable. I am trying specifically to learn the etiquette of the wiki community to avoid such mis-understanding, before doing too much.

Thanks everyone for understanding. Anujkaps ( talk) 07:51, 30 July 2016 (UTC) reply

Don't worry Anujkaps, your friend was upfront about how they've come to this discussion so there's absolutely no question of bad faith. Uanfala ( talk) 15:25, 30 July 2016 (UTC) reply


An article on a prominent Indian Travel sight that that has reference to CHAMBA CHUKH for your reference: http://www.discoveredindia.com/himachal-pradesh/cities-and-destinations-in-himachal-pradesh/chamba.htm

Anujkaps ( talk) 07:54, 30 July 2016 (UTC) reply


PLEASE ADVISE IF I SHOULD ADD SOME OF THESE REFERENCES TO THE ACTUAL PAGE ALREADY OR SHOULD I KEEP POSTING HERE ON THIS TALK PAGE CREATED FOR THE DELETION?

THANKS

Anujkaps ( talk) 07:56, 30 July 2016 (UTC) reply

Anujkaps, articles are always allowed to be updated, especially when they might be deleted. If enough reliable sources are added throughout the article, it's possible it might not be deleted. You've still got a few more days before this discussion is closed. -- Gestrid ( talk) 14:28, 30 July 2016 (UTC) reply


Thanks Uanfala and Gestrid,

I have cited a few references on the page now. Also, I have found references to Chamba Chukh on existing Wikipedia Pages which have also now been linked back to this page <Chamba Chukh>. Will continue digging and improving the page.

Thanks Anujkaps ( talk) 23:08, 30 July 2016 (UTC) reply

Ok. Just remember that Wikipedia itself is not a reliable source, which means Wikipedia articles can't cite other Wikipedia articles. See WP:RS for what can and can't be a reliable source. -- Gestrid ( talk) 23:14, 30 July 2016 (UTC) reply

Thanks understood.

Also, I have linked back to this page from the Himachal Pradesh (State in India where Chukh comes from) Wikipedia page where a reference to it already existed.

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The result was keep. MBisanz talk 19:04, 6 August 2016 (UTC) reply

Foursome (web series)

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I originally prodded this article as being an unreferenced article that failed to credibly assert notability, but it was deprodded when some references were added. However, the new references do nothing to establish notability. The first confirms the release of YouTube red and does not mention the series at all, while the other 3 are primary sources, straight from the YouTube blog. I have been unable to find mention in reliable secondary sources that would establish notability. AussieLegend ( ✉) 16:21, 29 July 2016 (UTC) reply

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Unfortunately, several of the added refs were used to support the plot section, which was a copyright violation, having been copied from YouTube and imdb.
I saw that and after the plot was removed I went ahead and rewrote the plot using my own words, so I put the refs back in. Andise1 ( talk) 20:35, 2 August 2016 (UTC) reply
Well, almost. The plot is still very similar to the plot summary in this article. -- AussieLegend ( ✉) 20:42, 2 August 2016 (UTC) reply
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The result was keep. Nomination withdrawn. ( non-admin closure) 217.42.252.221 ( talk) 06:42, 31 July 2016 (UTC) reply

Cristian Vogel

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The Cristian Vogel page, whilst has some merits, remains un-sourced except for one random link for over 5 years. A wikipedia article should not be original research or content that does not have a source for every assertion.

This page continues to have no one editing it and providing the necessary sources so should be deleted JonnyTSpeed ( talk) 11:20, 29 July 2016 (UTC) reply

  • Author keep It's been quite a road to get here - the nominator prodded the article more than once, then speedied it, then attempted to AfD it as an IP, twice, before Finngall helped him along to finish the transclusion. The AfD creation page is also the account's first and only edit. What this indicates is that the nominator is someone who may not really understand the deletion process very well.
This is only because the deletion process is so opaic and every notice that was put on was instantly deleted over some minor technicality. The AfD forces you to register - that does not make the reuest unjustified 217.42.252.221 ( talk) 20:37, 29 July 2016 (UTC) reply
You're not "forced" to register, as I explained at User talk:JonnyTSpeed. As I stated there, there are editors (myself included) who are willing to complete nominations on behalf of anon editors. Providing a rationale for the AfD nomination is not a "technicality"--it's essential. -- Finngall talk 21:42, 29 July 2016 (UTC) reply

JohnnyTSpeed's rationale is that the article is largely unsourced, but this is not in and of itself a valid reason for deletion; the article has one reliable source, and through the past month, I got no indication that the nominator's attentions had been directed toward a WP:BEFORE effort, which might have dredged up sources such as an extensive interview from Fact (magazine), coverage from XLR8R, and two reviews by Pitchfork Media. Beyond that, the nominator may not be familiar with WP:MUSIC, and Vogel, at minimum, clears the hurdle for releases on noteworthy labels, having issued several albums on the labels Mille Plateaux and Tresor Records. Since deletion is not cleanup, the nominator's comments regarding lack of editing and sourcing are not relevant to AfD, though of course I encourage any interested parties to add sourcing as their time and interests permit. Chubbles ( talk) 17:01, 29 July 2016 (UTC) reply

the article has been requesting more sources for 5 years and you've just found them. Go ahead and edit the article rather than just say there's information out there so it should just stay with hundred of words of unsourced original research 217.42.252.221 ( talk) 20:37, 29 July 2016 (UTC) reply
I've already edited the article plenty, thank you. But you're welcome to do work on it if you'd like; in the time you've spent trying to get it deleted, you could have spruced it up quite nicely. Chubbles ( talk) 21:56, 29 July 2016 (UTC) reply

>>> So basically you were the repetitive author of all this unsourced material/ original research. Why didn't you put sources in the article when you wrote it? No wonder you are angrily defending your handy work [[[Special:Contributions/217.42.252.221|217.42.252.221]] ( talk) 08:02, 30 July 2016 (UTC) reply

  • Keep passes WP:MUSIC for notable label releases, also passes WP:GNG. with the reliable sources identified above as well as the allmusic bio which is rs.It would be best if the author can add these sources to the article and any other rs available. Atlantic306 ( talk) 18:45, 29 July 2016 (UTC) reply
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  • Delete all unsourced content. After over 5 years of notices someone starts qualifying the content [[[Special:Contributions/217.42.252.221|217.42.252.221]] ( talk) 20:37, 29 July 2016 (UTC) reply
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The result was delete. clearly an advertisement; G11 would have been reasonable DGG ( talk ) 04:11, 6 August 2016 (UTC) reply

Research Peptides

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Non-notable company. All 5 sources are press releases, and Google search did not reveal any other in-depth coverage. SPA-editing with unclear COI status. GermanJoe ( talk) 14:57, 29 July 2016 (UTC) reply

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The result was merge to Swarm intelligence#Algorithms. MBisanz talk 19:06, 6 August 2016 (UTC) reply

Flower pollination algorithm

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This article is part of the following group of articles that I have all nomination for deletion (individually):

These article all detail research done by Xin-She Yang. All suffer from the following problems:

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  • Keep. My general belief is that much of the work in this sort of metaheuristic is junk science, but the high citation counts and numbers of hits for this topic in Google Scholar make clear that, regardless of that, it is notable. — David Eppstein ( talk) 17:23, 16 July 2016 (UTC) reply
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  • Delete/Merge: This article claims to be about an algorithm, but it does not describe an algorithm, it rambles through supposed characteristics of something else (pollination??), and implies, I suppose, that these characteristics somehow define an algorithm. This is largely pseudoscientific babble. If this particular researcher is really notable, there should be an article about him/her, noting the production of an open-ended list of algorithms with flowery (ha!) names. I defy anyone to claim that the bulk of this article is a contribution to human knowledge, which WP claims to be. (And is, overall, the largest single collection of knowledge ever created by humanity, while including the largest collection of total garbage ever...) Imaginatorium ( talk) 03:40, 31 July 2016 (UTC) reply
  • Merge to Swarm intelligence#Algorithms mainly per WP:NOTJOURNAL. In order for a concept to be notable, we cannot be relying on just the original author's publications, but instead need some secondary coverage such as reviews citing the original work (in this case a book chapter). Right now the article seems to be written as if it was someone trying to justify a new idea.
There are a number of papers citing this method, but like many of the other algorithm articles, we need secondary sources that explain the method and what it's used for rather than relying on WP:PRIMARY sources. I would generally want to see these algorithm articles potentially merged to Swarm intelligence#Algorithms to see if they are even noteworthy there, and then spin them off as content forks if they can actually build up enough content there. I honestly don't see that happening though as that section likely should be reduced to simply say a number of algorithms have been modeled after biological systems while only noting examples cited by strong secondary sources rather than a non-independent source for each method. Kingofaces43 ( talk) 05:29, 31 July 2016 (UTC) reply
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The result was delete. The nominator's analysis of sources is convincing. DGG ( talk ) 04:16, 6 August 2016 (UTC) reply

Michael G. Cox

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No evidence of any notability. Too many of the refs are self-written and one doesn't even feature him. This is an aspirant politician who appears to have removed the PROD previously on this article. This is far too soon - better wait until dreams turn to reality before coming back to Wikipedia.   Velella   Velella Talk   20:47, 15 July 2016 (UTC) reply

Strong keep. Many articles exist that only state someone is a political candidate. Cox has founded businesses, taught, and worked in government. The article and references can be improved. The subject is notable. Postcard Cathy ( talk) 08:35, 17 July 2016 (UTC) reply

How do you suggest I go about improving the content of the article? PurpleCouch987 ( talk) 14:18, 17 July 2016 (UTC)PurpleCouch987 reply

Unless a consensus I'm going to add more 3rd party sources and remove the being consider for deletion notification. I really would like to improve this article though so any input is appreciated. PurpleCouch987 ( talk) 17:38, 19 July 2016 (UTC) PurpleCouch987 reply

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@ PurpleCouch987: Adding all the material you can find from respectable third-party sources is a great idea, and is the best way to convince others that Cox has received enough attention in such sources to deserve his own article. But please don't remove the deletion notice until this discussion has ended. FourViolas ( talk) 11:53, 22 July 2016 (UTC) reply

Ok, well this discussion is going nowhere and seems largely pointless so... PurpleCouch987 ( talk) 14:30, 2 August 2016 (UTC) PurpleCouch987 reply

Have we reached consensus? PurpleCouch987 ( talk) 17:04, 27 July 2016 (UTC) PurpleCouch987 reply

Have we reached consensus? PurpleCouch987 ( talk) 17:04, 27 July 2016 (UTC) PurpleCouch987 reply

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  • Comment - have we reached consensus ? Have we heck. We have a politician for whom Wikipedia editors can only find a single independent ref that even hints at notability (the piece in Roll Call) and that is in a very niche publication for Capitol Hill. All the rest are his own web-site, Linkedin or similar which do not convey any notability. Now if we could find independent discussions of him in the New York Times or something similar, that might change the game   Velella   Velella Talk   16:15, 29 July 2016 (UTC) reply
That is your perspective. The majority of the comments on this page support the article. PurpleCouch987 ( talk) 16:20, 29 July 2016 (UTC) PurpleCouch987 reply
Additionally you are simply incorrect about the sources. The majority of the sources do not come from his campaign page but from third party websites such as legistorm, newspapers, and the Maxwell website. PurpleCouch987 ( talk) 16:23, 29 July 2016 (UTC) PurpleCouch987 reply
OK, I guess you would like the details. Refs 1 a,b,c,d,e,f and 8 are all his own web site. Ref 2 a,b ,c,d, and e are from his Maxwell School Alumnus page - good for facts but not for notability, Ref 3 simply confirms that he exists and is presumably paid a salary - no notability there, Ref 4 is a YouTube page - not acceptable as a ref in Wikipedia, Ref 5 is his own Linkedin page, Ref 6 makes no mention of Cox, Ref 7 is the Heard on the Hill ref mentioned above and is the nearest we get to notability, and Ref 8 is back to his own web-site.   Velella   Velella Talk   17:08, 29 July 2016 (UTC) reply

Notability has been agreed upon by the other commenters. You are the sole holdout. As far as I can tell there is no explicit statement indicating that the consensus has to be unanimous. I appreciate your commitment to the quality of Wikipedia and I'm very impressed by your record. I've looked through many of the article you have written...good stuff! That said your personal feelings about this page do not outweigh the consensus. I think this discussion is closed. Again, thank you for your commitment. PurpleCouch987 ( talk) 17:27, 29 July 2016 (UTC) PurpleCouch987 reply

Wow, I don't remember being that patronised since I left school ! Nevertheless, this is not about how I feel about this article - I have no feelings about this article. It is about the way Wikipedia assess notability and the application of those rules to this article. The assessment is not up to you as you are a substantial author of the article and it is not up to you to close this debate - that is for other, uninvolved experienced editors to do.   Velella   Velella Talk   20:24, 29 July 2016 (UTC) reply

Unfortunately, other "experienced" editors have established notability and stopped commenting on this page. Therefore your views are in the minority. I did not mean to be patronizing but if you want to take it that way thats fine by me. This discussion is effectively over - nobody else has commented for over a week. Unless I get new feedback by tomorrow I am going to remove the deletion notice. PurpleCouch987 ( talk) 18:47, 1 August 2016 (UTC) PurpleCouch987 reply

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The result was Speedy Deleted (G5) by Ponyo. (non-admin closure) – Davey2010 Talk 01:14, 6 August 2016 (UTC) reply

David Elsner

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fails WP:NHOCKEY and WP:GNG... and was deleted earlier this month. Notability hasn't changed since then. Joeykai ( talk) 12:54, 29 July 2016 (UTC) reply

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The result was no consensus. There are two critical lines of thought in this discussion: 1. All secondary schools are notable, regardless of the level of coverage received in independent sources, as long as we can verify their existence. Due to this inherent notability, any degree-awarding secondary school should have its own article. 2. Secondary schools are held to the same standard as every other organization, and must include multiple reliable sources which cover the subject directly and in detail. Without this requisite sourcing, notability cannot be determined; therefore, no article should be created or retained.

There is validity to both of these arguments, inasmuch as the conclusions are supported by their premises. But, to determine the soundness of the arguments, they must be weighed against the community's consensus precedent. The key pieces of policy I'll quote here are from WP:ORG and WP:NSCHOOL, the most authoritative guidelines on schools that we have:

No company or organization is considered inherently notable. No organization is exempt from this requirement, no matter what kind of organization it is, including schools. [1] If the individual organization has received no or very little notice from independent sources, then it is not notable simply because other individual organizations of its type are commonly notable or merely because it exists (see "If it's not notable", below). "Notability" is not synonymous with "fame" or "importance." No matter how "important" editors may personally believe an organization to be, it should not have a stand-alone article in Wikipedia unless reliable sources independent of the organization have discussed it.
—  WP:ORGSIG (emphasis added)

A company, corporation, organization, school, team, religion, group, product, or service is notable if it has been the subject of significant coverage in secondary sources. Such sources must be reliable, and independent of the subject. A single independent source is almost never sufficient for demonstrating the notability of an organization.
—  WP:ORG § Primary criteria (emphasis added)

All universities, colleges and schools, including high schools, middle schools, primary (elementary) schools, and schools that only provide a support to mainstream education must satisfy either this guideline ( WP:ORG) or the general notability guideline, or both. (But see also WP:SCHOOLOUTCOMES, especially for universities.)
—  WP:NSCHOOL (emphasis added)

Two of these guidelines point to WP:SCHOOLOUTCOMES for further reference, so let's look at the relevant section:

Most independently accredited degree-awarding institutions and high schools are usually kept except when zero independent sources can be found to prove that the institution actually exists.
—  WP:SCHOOLOUTCOMES

The key take away here is that we as a community have not properly discussed this issue, and therefore we have not established a working policy via consensus. The policy and our current consensus precedent seem to contradict each other, at least when it comes to the amount of coverage required. We must also consider if WP:SYSTEMICBIAS has any effect here; once again, this topic has not been discussed properly at a community level to answer such a question.

In conclusion, both arguments have full validity - just not from the same perspectives. The argument for retention based on WP:SCHOOLOUTCOMES is fully valid and even sound when compared to the current, de facto, consensus precedent (a precedent that the guidelines themselves point to). However, the argument for deletion, based on the requirement of establishing notability through significant coverage in multiple, reliable, independent sources, is also fully valid and equally sound when compared to the established consensus set in the guidelines. Obviously, this is problem. And a determination must be made. However, for a determination to be made, the community must have a real discussion and establish a firm consensus. - Singular discussions, with limited community visibility (such as AFD), cannot achieve this goal. And as such, it is not within a single administrator's power to make this determination for the community. Therefore, no consensus can be determined at this time, defaulting to the retention of the article. Furthermore, it is recommended that a formal RFC be opened to make the requisite determination, and then rewrite the relevant policies/guidelines to reflect the consensus. (This close was done in consideration of, and accordance with, the following policies/guidelines: WP:GNG, WP:ORG, WP:NSCHOOL, WP:SYSTEMICBIAS, WP:PROMO, WP:V, WP:RS, WP:CONSENSUS, WP:ADMIN, WP:DELETE.) — Coffee // have a cup // beans // 04:53, 7 August 2016 (UTC) reply

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Non notable Higher Secondary school in Nepal. Some links are are provided in see also segment but are not so strong for keeping this article here in wikipedia. NepaliKeto62 Talk to me 04:04, 6 July 2016 (UTC) reply

[Striking the nomination.  While the account was blocked on 20 July 2016, and it is not clear to me if it would be proper to strike the nomination statement for an AfD closed on 13 July 2016, WP:BLOCKBANDIFF states that, "Edits by the editor or on his or her behalf may be reverted without question (exceptions)...", and this nomination statement was formally re-instated on 29 July 2016 by the DRV relisting.  Unscintillating ( talk) 16:54, 31 July 2016 (UTC) reply
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I am not much aware of all wiki policies so I wont be the right person to comment. Thanks. VarunFEB2003 ( talk) 12:13, 30 July 2016 (UTC) reply
  • Keep (again). I think claimng this article to be a hoax (and Hobit) is an expression of very bad faith. There are two very different photos of quite clearly the same school: File:Eden E. Boarding High School, Butwal.JPG and File:Eden School Butwal.jpg. I think this conclusively proves its existence. Nepal is among the world's least developed countries and has a troubled political history and a low level of literacy. Thus some leeway should be given to the lack of existence of electronic media that would provide verifiable sources. Note that the ominator is now blocked and taking into account their editing history, one could possibly be moved to consider that the AfD nomination is some kind of school rivalry. This is the kind of AfD which could lead more experienced members of our community to demand qualifications and/or a specific user right for patrolling and/or tagging articles for various deletion processes. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง ( talk) 23:01, 29 July 2016 (UTC) reply
    • I don't think it's a hoax. In fact, I'd say it's 98% likely not to be. But the building shown in the picture and the one at the address given look to me to be different using Google maps. It's enough that I'm worried it might be a hoax. And I don't think we really have a reliable source that it does exist. So per WP:V, we shouldn't have an article. As soon as we get verification it does in fact exist (and I'd be happy with you or some other known quantity going there and verifying it) I'd change to keep in a heartbeat. Hobit ( talk) 00:59, 30 July 2016 (UTC) reply
      • I was also concerned about the google maps image until I realized what is marked as the building is actually the parking lot or field in front of the building, at which point it appears to be a match. VMS Mosaic ( talk) 02:46, 30 July 2016 (UTC) reply
    • The sockpuppet ban is enough for me to decline from voting. Even if its is a nonnotable private inistitution I am uncomfortable with the idea a banned editor for bad faith can vote to remove possible encyclopedic material. Valoem talk contrib 01:15, 30 July 2016 (UTC) reply
As far as I can make out, Valoem, these recent activities are from either a bunch of, (or the same) 12-year-olds using a school IP. Unfortunately, I do not have access to the CU tool. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง ( talk) 01:45, 30 July 2016 (UTC) reply

*Delete - SCHOOLOUTCOMES is an essay not a guideline and IMHO no school should be kept just because it exists, If it doesn't have any sources it doesn't deserve an article IMHO. – Davey2010 Talk 23:13, 29 July 2016 (UTC) reply

Thank you for your comment, Davey2010. SCHOOLOUTCOMES is indeed part of an 'essay' and is not a 'guideline' - correct, but only in so far tat that 'essay' is the only available (or nearest} Wikipedia page type for classifying it. It does however not express any opinions and draws its content from clearly identifiable facts (literally 1,000s of High school articles ket at AfD). It is a neutral documentation of the way the community has chosen to handle the notability of a few special kinds of topics. Regards, Kudpung กุดผึ้ง ( talk) 23:54, 29 July 2016 (UTC) reply
Hi Kudpung, I've closed tons of school AFDs as Keep as well as !voted Keep on many however IMHO there's no actual benefit to keeping school articles that are poorly sourced and are unlikely to ever be sourced or improved, I personally believe keeping them is now a waste of time but I know you prefer keeping these and I respect that (I don't mean that in a shitty way - we all have preferences etc), Anyway thanks for replying, Regards, – Davey2010 Talk 00:13, 30 July 2016 (UTC) reply
  • Delete I have searched a lot and I cannot find even a single independent reliable source which describes that this school exists. WP:SCHOOLOUTCOMES is valid if and only if WP:V is satisfied. I would gladly change to keep if someone can find such a source. I have clearly not been able to find one. -- Lemongirl942 ( talk) 02:08, 30 July 2016 (UTC) reply
  • Keep. The schools compromise is one of our best ways of handling AfDs--it's an even handed compromise between those who wished to keep articles on elementary schools as a matter of course, and those who did not want to keep even high schools unless there were exceptionally good sources. Neither party was altogether happy with it, but they were both happier than if the other side had won. That is what is meant by consensus--something we can al live with without having to fight it afresh every time. Whether it is a private school or a public school is quite irrelevant, and I wonder on what basis Valoem is asserting that it matters? All school articles tend to be associated with promotionalism -- if not from the management, from the students. How is the criterion of whether an article is likely to be improved a requirement for keeping a WP article? And, anyway, why does Davey2010 think the article is unlike to be improved or better sources?--school students frequently do work on articles about their school, so I would say they are among the articles most likely to be improved. As for the question of whether the school exists,the school website is presumptive evidence. Have any of the people who say they can find no other sources of knowledge of Nepali? And if so, have they searched local print sources? DGG ( talk ) 04:27, 30 July 2016 (UTC) reply
I'm entirely neutral on this article, but want to comment on the statement above that Neither party was altogether happy with it [...] is what is meant by consensus. That's the definition of compromise, not consensus. Consensus is when most people are happy with the outcome. That's not to say that compromise can't be a useful way to move forward, but they're not quite the same thing. -- RoySmith (talk) 13:47, 30 July 2016 (UTC) reply
Most (not all but most) of the school articles that end up at AFD and subsequently kept aren't improved nor ever sourced - They're just left to rot. – Davey2010 Talk 21:25, 30 July 2016 (UTC) reply
Rhododendrites, you don't appear to have read the entire discussion, nor to have understood the special nature of Nepal. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง ( talk) 07:52, 30 July 2016 (UTC) reply
While continuing to remain neutral on the article, I feel the need to also address the above comment. We have two drivers here, which are in conflict. On the one hand, we have a inviolable requirement that everything we publish is true, i.e. WP:V. On the other hand, we have an unfortunate, but overwhelming, tendency to favor topics which are easy to research online. That means we have (very strong) bias towards things which are recent, things which are written about in English, and things which happen in places with pervasive internet presence. We are caught up in a race to the bottom, to become the on-line blogopedia of Pokémon, porn stars, pop culture, and paid promotion. Fighting this bias is a critical part of what we need to do to remain relevant. So, yes, bend over backwards to fight bias on non-anglo-european topics. But, not at the cost of ignoring WP:V. -- RoySmith (talk) 13:57, 30 July 2016 (UTC) reply
  • What the post above shows is a lack of the basic understanding of the message we've worked to present at WP:V and WT:V, which is that Wikipedia is not a TruthTM forum.  Unscintillating ( talk) 16:54, 31 July 2016 (UTC) As stated at WP:Inaccuracy, "Editors sometimes think that verifiable material should be accurate, but verifiable material may or may not be accurate."  Unscintillating ( talk) 00:51, 1 August 2016 (UTC) reply
@ Kudpung: What makes you say I haven't read the entire discussion? If others have found reliable sources with which to write an article, then I have indeed overlooked something and would thank you for highlighting them. Sometimes I think it makes sense to grant some leeway for subjects when sourcing is weak but there's some indication there may be sources in a language I'm unable to search, or sources not readily available over the Internet. What we have here is not weak sourcing but a complete absence of reliable sources, and thus nothing on which to base an article. No prejudice to recreating it based on reliable sources should they surface in the future. — Rhododendrites talk \\ 23:58, 30 July 2016 (UTC) reply
Reluctantly struck my !vote above given verification. Certainly won't be switching to keep, though, as there's still nothing on which to base a real article. — Rhododendrites talk \\ 13:56, 1 August 2016 (UTC) reply
This one was gnawing at me a bit. Looking again at what's available, I can't bring myself to passively accept what some people claim there is consensus for, but aren't willing to actually put it up for discussion via promotion of WP:SCHOOLOUTCOMES to guideline status. There's almost nothing on which to base this article. — Rhododendrites talk \\ 16:01, 6 August 2016 (UTC) reply
  • Delete unless reliable sources about it can be found. If we can't find reliable sources, it is impossible for us to write a verifiable article. — Granger ( talk · contribs) 19:45, 30 July 2016 (UTC) reply
  • Keep - We keep high schools for the very good reason that experience shows that, with enough research, sources can invariably be found that meet WP:ORG. Google is a very poor tool for finding sources on non-Anglophone schools. We must avoid systemic bias and allow time for local sources to be researched since no evidence has been adduced that this school cannot meet notability requirements. Just Chilling ( talk) 20:48, 30 July 2016 (UTC) reply
  • The problem here is not notability. The problem here is that we need a source to prove that the school exists: One reliable independent source would be sufficient, per schooloutcomes. -- Lemongirl942 ( talk) 21:10, 30 July 2016 (UTC) reply
  • I believe you are mistaken. SCHOOLOUTCOMES does not hold that schools get a free pass on notability. Instead, it says:

The current notability guidelines for schools and other education institutions are Wikipedia:Notability (WP:N), Wikipedia:Notability (geography) (WP:NGEO) and Wikipedia:Notability (organizations and companies) (WP:ORG).

Examining NGEO and ORG—the guidelines that SCHOOLOUTCOMES says apply to schools—we find that to be kept at AFD, a school must have received significant coverage in multiple independent, reliable sources. (ORG stresses that "[a] single independent source is almost never sufficient for demonstrating the notability of an organization.") Driving this point home further, ORGSIG—part of an established guideline—says:

No company or organization is considered inherently notable. No organization is exempt from this requirement, no matter what kind of organization it is, including schools. If the individual organization has received no or very little notice from independent sources, then it is not notable simply because other individual organizations of its type are commonly notable or merely because it exists . . . .

Rebb ing 22:00, 30 July 2016 (UTC) reply
  • I understand Rebbing. My position is slightly different though. I recognize what DGG said about the schools and I'm willing to respect SCHOOLOUTCOMES as a compromise: not a perfect solution, but better than debating every single school. But schooloutcomes specifically requires that there should be reliable independent sources which can prove that (1) The school exists, (2) It is accredited and (3) It is a high school. Unless all 3 are satisfied, I am not supportive of keeping an article. I see the SCHOOLOUTCOMES as something similar to the SNGs on sports people. I believe the purpose of SNGs is to selectively keep articles about people who have a good chance of passing GNG someday. I see something similar with schooloutcomes as well (though lot less selective): As long as the school is verified, it may be covered one day. I can live with it for the time being. The problem here is that editors vote keep without looking at WP:V, essentially reducing the school to a Russell's teapot. -- Lemongirl942 ( talk) 22:49, 30 July 2016 (UTC) reply
  • But that's the thing: You (and others) misread SCHOOLOUTCOMES as a compromise establishing that schools are kept as long as they can be verified to exist, but it says nothing of the sort. (Go read it again.) Instead, it reaffirms that NORG applies to schools, and NORG, in turn, requires significant, independent coverage in multiple reliable sources—the same as GNG. True, it says that most high schools that can be shown to exist are kept, but that's because they are found to meet NORG or some other notability guideline, not because they're accredited high schools proven to exist. Rebb ing 23:27, 30 July 2016 (UTC) reply
  • Delete as failing WP:VERIFY. Several editors above have pointed to WP:SCHOOLOUTCOMES as a reason to keep this article, but note that the consensus documented there is to keep articles on secondary schools that are verified by independent sources. To uphold that consensus requires deleting this unsourced article. Cordless Larry ( talk) 07:54, 31 July 2016 (UTC) reply
  • Userify - I'm a believer in SCHOOLOUTOMES for reasons outlined by others and debated ad nauseum in these AfD discussions. However we just can't have unverified content allowed to exist on this encyclopedia at the risk of making us all look ridiculous. My firm belief is that this school exists, but there are no sources that I can find which meet the general standards of WP:VERIFY and the usual standards for schools in particular. We simply require evidence that the school exists, and photos taken by an interested party don't count. That's a low hurdle given that the information can indeed be in the local language that someone here can point to. The rest of the debate is phooey in my opinion. We can debate exactly what SCHOOLOUTCOMES says/means, we can debate whether it matters if it is a private school etc and so on, but that doesn't make any difference to the fact that this page is currently unverified and despite best efforts remains so. The delete option seems to me to be a bit severe, given what I've already said about the likelihood that the school exists, so I think we should userify and contact the editor who wrote the content with an explanation of what we need to see here. If the school exists, then there should be no problem with finding something which meets the currently accepted standard for SCHOOLOUTCOMES - and the other more general discussions about it as a guideline can be continued in a more appropriate venue. JMWt ( talk) 12:12, 31 July 2016 (UTC) reply
Yeah, difficult. Unfortunately if the editor himself is saying that there are no other sources, then we're pushed into the corner of delete, because the whole page is based on a COI. Which is obviously going to be hard for the editor to understand if he knows personally that the school exists! JMWt ( talk) 13:45, 31 July 2016 (UTC) reply
  • Comments  Regarding the effort to contact PABSON, PABSON states, that schools "registered with the District Education Office (DEO) are eligible to apply for Membership at the PABSON District Executive Office".  The applicable DEO website appears to be deorupandehi.gov.np/, and has an email and phone number, contact page. 

    In other notes, a Google search on ["Eden English School" butwal] shows a map, an address, and phone number in the right-hand column for the school.  Since most of the original text is no longer visible in the current article, I've found that this older revision is helpful in understanding the context. 

    We are here because of an improper DRV closing that uses the words "wrong result" while citing no policies, and addresses AfD volunteers for "not digging deep enough".  The DRV itself was a nomination that could have been speedy closed as WP:POINT...a closer does not have standing to request the overturn of his/her own closing.  Be that as it may, there were no issues that could not have protected the AfD volunteer community by allowing the normal six months to pass before another AfD for this article.  Nor was sockpuppetry of the AfD nomination mentioned in the DRV closing.  Unscintillating ( talk) 16:54, 31 July 2016 (UTC) reply

  • Keep as per precise reading of our policies and guidelines, and WP:IAR for the WP:IAR claims that we don't need to support or WP:AGF our multi-language content contributors from Nepal.  As mentioned by the DRV nomination, File:Eden E. Boarding High School, Butwal.JPG shows the name of the school both on the building and on one of the busses.  I count 297 people in that assembly.  There is another picture of morning assembly at schoolius.com, picture, that shows a square tower to the right of the assembly.  The basic Google search on ["Eden English School" butwal] provides a map, and I looked at that map at the 20 meter scale, and compared the satellite image with the square tower.  The details, such as the line of the roof peak, match, as does the treeline behind the school.  This satellite map provides the requirement in WP:V#Notability for a third-party source.  The guideline WP:N is satisfied, by the consensus that it does so at WP:SCHOOLOUTCOMES.  WP:RS states that all reliable sourcing depends on context, and we know from intellius that this school provides secondary education.  Our article on Nepal identifies fourteen "recognized national languages", and there is no need for AfD to explain why searches on Nepali strings produce puzzling search results.  Rupandehi district borders on India, which may increase the language considerations.  It is past time to move away from AfD and turn the difficult issues of reading Nepali over to our Nepali content contributors.  Unscintillating ( talk) 16:54, 31 July 2016 (UTC) reply
Google users can add their own content to google maps. I don't think this really counts as an independent secondary source as someone could have added all of this information about a hoax school. What we really need is a newspaper article mentioning the school or a government document in any language. Not pointing to user submitted content. This should not be hard to supply if the school really exists. JMWt ( talk) 18:40, 31 July 2016 (UTC) reply
My statement carefully avoided any reliance on the assertion of existence based on a place marker in Google maps.  Please don't make false claims about my assertions.  Just the contrary has occurred here, as what I have shown can be used to conclude that the user content added to Google was done correctly.  Unscintillating ( talk) 19:21, 31 July 2016 (UTC) reply
With respect, you are just wrong. Google content cannot be used in this way as an independent secondary source for primary verification. It is quite simple, the thing must be shown by secondary sources, which must be available for any existing school and which cannot be faked - such as newspaper articles and official government reports. It is obviously possible to build up fake credentials using information on facebook, google, twitter and self-taken photographs, hence they're not to be primarily used for verification. Once we have proof from an independent secondary source, then these of course add strength to the thing existing. JMWt ( talk) 07:55, 1 August 2016 (UTC) reply
Maybe if you tried checking my reference to the policy WP:V#Notability, you'd see that the words used there are not "independent secondary source", then perhaps you'd see that it would be helpful and appropriate to limit your rebuttal to points I've made.  You can also see the words "third-party source" in my !vote post. 

In your response, you've not cited from policies, guidelines, and/or essays; and in the context of proving me "wrong" suggests that you are not clear on why you are saying that which you are saying. 

Another point you should perhaps consider, do you believe that Google takes satellite pictures?  I'm willing to consider that there is a vast military conspiracy to alter satellite images provided to Google to hide radar arrays on coastlines, but without sources to tell us that, at Wikipedia, we follow the sources.  Since we don't follow the sources blindly, I've written the essay WP:Inaccuracy, but I doubt you are going to find a consensus here that some advanced persistent threat at the direction of or on behalf of Eden English School is altering the satellite images being considered at this AfD.  Summary: the satellite images are reliable and third party.  Respectfully, Unscintillating ( talk) 23:52, 1 August 2016 (UTC) reply

  • Question - I've seen many people (myself included) argue along the lines of WP:BURDEN in this particular case, pointing to a lack of reliable sources with which to write an article, regardless of whether the subject is argued to be notable. However, we have an awful lot of people arguing to keep -- numerically sufficient to make it difficult to envision someone willing to close as delete, regardless of the content of the arguments. So my question is what comes next. The content of the article has been officially challenged as WP:V provides for, but if the article is closed as no consensus (or keep!), I imagine removing the content would be highly controversial. So what happens next? — Rhododendrites talk \\ 19:09, 31 July 2016 (UTC) reply
I suggest we find a way to verify the damn school. there must be a way. JMWt ( talk) 19:33, 31 July 2016 (UTC) reply
  • BINGO - the page creator has found this from the Nepali Government Department of Education. That's good enough. Keep. JMWt ( talk) 19:54, 31 July 2016 (UTC) reply
    • @ JMWt: I'm sorry, but that's not anywhere near enough. SCHOOLOUTCOMES directs us to N, NORG, and NGEO, all of which require significant coverage in multiple reliable sources. The added source is reliable and independent, but its coverage isn't remotely significant. Also, it's only one source. Take a look at ORGDEPTH. Rebb ing 05:07, 1 August 2016 (UTC) reply
With respect, you are arguing with the consensus position of SCHOOLOUTCOMES, which has been tested over and over again with the conclusion that there is no way or consensus to change it, and as such has little relevance to this specific AfD. The fact is that we have in English a government source showing that the school exists. Therefore it stands to reason that there must be a whole number of other relevant reliable secondary sources showing it exists which we haven't found yet because they are in a local language or are only available on paper. That's quite a different thing to many others ORGs and is one reason why schools are considered differently. Again, if you don't like it, then it is down to you to try to change the consensus not try to derail AfDs with the same rejected arguments. JMWt ( talk) 07:50, 1 August 2016 (UTC) reply


I agree. The creator should be congratulated for engaging with us when the thing must be extremely hard to understand given that we are casting doubt on the existence of something that he knows exists. JMWt ( talk) 08:32, 1 August 2016 (UTC) reply
  • WP:N has no requirement for coverage by reliable sources, it is a guideline to determine if a topic should have a standalone article.  The 2007 WP:N had a requirement that sufficient sources exist to write an article.  Unscintillating ( talk) 15:24, 6 August 2016 (UTC) reply
  • Uh. Not only does "reliable" appear 17 times in WP:N, but the nutshell includes "We consider evidence from reliable independent sources to gauge this attention" and right there in the second sentence is "if no reliable third-party sources can be found on a topic, then it should not have a separate article". — Rhododendrites talk \\ 16:01, 6 August 2016 (UTC) reply
  • The second sentence comes from the policy WP:V#Notability, and has a good consensus at this AfD that it is satisfied.  WP:N has only one requirement, that the topic be "worthy of notice".  WP:N is in some ways a minor guideline because we are only considering the difference between whether a topic should be standalone or merged.  It is WP:DEL8 where the difficult decisions for inclusion are made.  As for what you are saying about the nutshell, the nutshell calls for reliable "evidence", not reliable "coverage".  Unscintillating ( talk) 18:42, 6 August 2016 (UTC) reply
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The result was keep.  Sandstein  09:08, 6 August 2016 (UTC) reply

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Only two refs for this article which has been around for years. One is own web-site and the other is Hardcore Gaming 101 which is about as niche a publication as is possible to get. No claims to any special notability. No notability established. Fails WP:GNG   Velella   Velella Talk   12:49, 29 July 2016 (UTC) reply

  • Delete Redirect I researched the matter and my path lead to the Japanese Wiki. There I discovered that they have a single article for the entire series, only it's done in a slightly peculiar manner with the article being for this game and then mentioning the other games in a section. Our article for Cotton (series) is fairly comprehensive. I don't think the detail there of our game is missing much if anything. We could add a short paragraph from our Release section to the List detail of this particular game there, along with the TurboGrafx-CD image someone has uploaded. I also noticed the article for Panorama Cotton is fairly similar. It has even less information. I'd suggest deleting redirecting it as well and just using the image in the series article. -- Mr. Magoo ( talk) 00:32, 30 July 2016 (UTC) reply
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The result was delete.  Sandstein  07:16, 6 August 2016 (UTC) reply

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Cricketer who fails WP:NCRIC. Has not yet played a first-class/List A game, etc. U19 cricketers don't meet the notability threshold. Was tagged as a speedy as it's already been deleted recently, but declined by Nyttend. Lugnuts Dick Laurent is dead 11:46, 29 July 2016 (UTC) reply

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*Delete. Agreed. DilMendis82 ( talk) 14:55, 1 August 2016 (UTC)Blocked sock— UY Scuti Talk 14:47, 5 August 2016 (UTC) reply

Delete as per nom as it fails WP:NCRIC. Black hole78 talk | contrib 17:47, 1 August 2016 (UTC) reply

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The result was delete. clear consensus DGG ( talk ) 04:16, 6 August 2016 (UTC) reply

Dr. Fazlul Haq

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Geographer who has just received his PhD. References show that there are some publication, but there's nothing indicating he is "well known" as the article states. H-index currently seems to be 1, with a total of 7 citations (5 for the 2011 article, 1 each for two articles from 2014), as per GScholar. Axolotl Nr.733 ( talk) 11:19, 29 July 2016 (UTC) reply

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The result was delete. MBisanz talk 19:07, 6 August 2016 (UTC) reply

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Cricketer who fails WP:NCRIC. Has not yet played a first-class/List A game, etc. U19 cricketers don't meet the notability threshold. Lugnuts Dick Laurent is dead 11:02, 29 July 2016 (UTC) reply

*Delete Agreed. DilMendis82 ( talk) 14:55, 1 August 2016 (UTC)Blocked sock— UY Scuti Talk 14:44, 5 August 2016 (UTC) reply

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Delete as per nom as it fails WP:NCRIC. Black hole78 talk | contrib 17:46, 1 August 2016 (UTC) reply

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The result was delete. MBisanz talk 19:07, 6 August 2016 (UTC) reply

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Cricketer who fails WP:NCRIC. Has not yet played a first-class/List A game, etc. U19 cricketers don't meet the notability threshold. Lugnuts Dick Laurent is dead 11:00, 29 July 2016 (UTC) reply

*Delete Agreed. DilMendis82 ( talk) 14:55, 1 August 2016 (UTC)Blocked sock— UY Scuti Talk 14:41, 5 August 2016 (UTC) reply

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The result was keep. (non-admin closure) — UY Scuti Talk 14:40, 5 August 2016 (UTC) reply

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Bare stub of a BLP and unreferenced Rathfelder ( talk) 12:08, 15 July 2016 (UTC) reply

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The result was delete. MBisanz talk 19:07, 6 August 2016 (UTC) reply

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Cricketer who fails WP:NCRIC. Has not yet played a first-class/List A game, etc. U19 cricketers don't meet the notability threshold. Lugnuts Dick Laurent is dead 10:56, 29 July 2016 (UTC) reply

*Delete. Agreed. DilMendis82 ( talk) 14:55, 1 August 2016 (UTC) Blocked sock. — UY Scuti Talk 14:37, 5 August 2016 (UTC) reply

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The result was no consensus. WP:NPASR per low participation herein. North America 1000 00:29, 6 August 2016 (UTC) reply

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Nothing actually confidently suggesting the needed independent notability and my searches including Saudi Arabian news have found nothing convincing so far. SwisterTwister talk 05:23, 15 July 2016 (UTC) reply

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The result was delete. MBisanz talk 19:07, 6 August 2016 (UTC) reply

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Cricketer who fails WP:NCRIC. Has not yet played a first-class/List A game, etc. U19 cricketers don't meet the notability threshold. Lugnuts Dick Laurent is dead 09:44, 29 July 2016 (UTC) reply

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*Delete Agreed. DilMendis82 ( talk) 14:55, 1 August 2016 (UTC) Blocked sock. — UY Scuti Talk 14:35, 5 August 2016 (UTC) reply

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The result was delete. MBisanz talk 19:07, 6 August 2016 (UTC) reply

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*Delete Agreed. DilMendis82 ( talk) 14:51, 1 August 2016 (UTC) Blocked sock. — UY Scuti Talk 14:34, 5 August 2016 (UTC) reply

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The result was delete. MBisanz talk 19:07, 6 August 2016 (UTC) reply

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Cricketer who fails WP:NCRIC. Has not yet played a first-class/List A game, etc. U19 cricketers don't meet the notability threshold. Lugnuts Dick Laurent is dead 09:21, 29 July 2016 (UTC) reply
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The result was Speedy delete, non-admin closure. Ten Pound Hammer • ( What did I screw up now?) 06:43, 30 July 2016 (UTC) reply

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No evidence of any notability. Only refs are its own web-site (which doesn't load) and a government listing of approved radio infrastructure components - neither convey any notability. It has been tagged as lacking notability for over 6 months and Hooperbloob has done good work on cleaning up the worst excesses of promotional tone but it still fails WP:GNG   Velella   Velella Talk   08:28, 29 July 2016 (UTC) reply

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The result was delete.  Sandstein  09:09, 6 August 2016 (UTC) reply

To the Rats and Wolves

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Band with no substantive claim to passing WP:NMUSIC and no evidence of any substantive reliable source coverage to get them over WP:GNG: the substance boils down to "this is a band that exists and released its debut album in February 2016, the end", and the sourcing consists of one blurb on a blog. This is not enough to get a band into Wikipedia. Delete. Bearcat ( talk) 22:11, 8 July 2016 (UTC) reply

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Even there, what I'm seeing is a lot of blogs and primary sourcing to their own press kit — I'm not seeing a whole lot of properly reliable source coverage. Bearcat ( talk) 19:01, 11 July 2016 (UTC) reply
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The result was keep. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง ( talk) 16:15, 6 August 2016 (UTC) reply

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Semi-advertorial WP:BLP of a writer who has the potential to pass WP:AUTHOR, but completely fails to properly source the fact: very nearly right across the board, the sourcing here is almost entirely to primary sources like his own publisher, with the few references that even approach reliability not being numerous enough to satisfy WP:GNG. This was rejected twice at AFC for being inadequately sourced, following which the creator arrogated herself the right to bypass AFC moving the page directly into mainspace, without making any substantive changes or resubmitting it for a third review through the proper AFC process. Either delete, or move back to draftspace. Bearcat ( talk) 23:14, 8 July 2016 (UTC) reply

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Interviews do not assist in getting the person over WP:GNG — they're acceptable for some supplementary confirmation of facts after GNG has already been passed by independent sourcing, but they cannot be the GNG as they represent the subject talking about himself. And you say his books have received widespread attention, but there's no reliable sourcing here to verify that — and you say he's won notable awards, but for an award to be notable enough to get its winners past WP:AUTHOR it has to be one that gets covered by the media as news, and again there's no reliable sourcing here to demonstrate that this one meets that condition. A literary award does not give its winners a free AUTHOR pass if the win can be sourced only to the award's own self-published website about itself. Bearcat ( talk) 16:50, 24 July 2016 (UTC) reply
ANYBIO is met when reliable sources (i.e. media) are covering the awards that the person is winning; it is not met if the award can be sourced only to its own self-published website about itself. For an award to be notable enough to get its winners over ANYBIO, that award has to be one that the media consider important enough to cover the award announcements. If media sources could be added in which "Michael Knost wins Bram Stoker Award" was being treated as a news story, then that would get him over ANYBIO; if the award is so little-covered that you have to rely on primary sources and directory entries to prove that he won it, because RS coverage doesn't exist, then it doesn't count toward ANYBIO. The award's RSability, or lack thereof, is how we determine whether that award is notable enough to give its winners a valid notability pass or not. Bearcat ( talk) 21:53, 30 July 2016 (UTC) reply
  • A reasonable concern, however There is extensive news coverage of this award, mostly in the form of (Caitlin Kiernan's "Drowning Girl" wins 2013 Bram Stoker Award, Boston Globe [Boston, Mass] 14 July 2013: N.15.) I added an article of this type to the Award page, it briefly describes the Award in the context of this writer's winning of it. E.M.Gregory ( talk) 11:25, 5 August 2016 (UTC) reply
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  • Comment, ISFDB also lists Knost's awards here [23], and lists a couple of reviews, in Black Static [24], and The Magazine of Fantasy & Science Fiction [25], there is also a small review in Midwest Book Review of Writers Workshop of Horror - "Although the principle focus is on writing horror stories, the gamut of useable information provided is just as applicable to all other genres including romance, westerns, mysteries, science fiction, general fiction, and even biographies. The "Writers Workshop Of Horror" is a recommended addition to the professional reference collections of all dedicated authors and small press publishers." [26], there are also reviews by Dark Scribe Magazine, of Legends of the Mountain State - "It is rare to find an anthology where every story in the collection is not only well-written, but also compelling. Legends of the Mountain State is one of the rare cases where every story delivers on both counts. .. Those who are unfamiliar with West Virginia may come away from reading this collection wondering which of our states can really call themselves the “most haunted.” West Virginia may now be a contender for that title." [27], Legends of the Mountain State 2: More Ghostly Tales for the State of West Virginia - "The surprisingly rich depths of Mountain State folklore are again expertly mined .. As in the first volume, editor Knost does a commendable job balancing the terror and tenderness." [28], Writers Workshop of Horror - " Michael Knost’s Writers Workshop of Horror is one of those real how-to books .. However, when your ass is in the chair, and your fingers are on the keys, it doesn’t hurt to have few good manuals and resources a reach away. Writers Workshop of Horror is destined to be one of those invaluable resources." [29]. Coolabahapple ( talk) 08:32, 29 July 2016 (UTC) reply
  • Keep Just added a 2010 profile form a regional daily, it was an interview prompted by winning an award, it gives his actual name - Michael Knost is his pename. A fair amount of coverage of him (as a writer, prize winner,) exists in the form of a paragraph or two in articles about book festivals and such. Mostly, keep on the grounds that, substantive sales numbers, press attention to the books, and the prizes prizes carry him well over the bar at WP:AUTHORS. E.M.Gregory ( talk) 11:09, 5 August 2016 (UTC) reply
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The result was delete. clear enough. There's an apparently related article that should be examined also: Jonathan Goldman DGG ( talk ) 04:12, 6 August 2016 (UTC) reply

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Non-notable "technology", Google search found no independent in-depth coverage. Current sources are: #1, #3 self-published; #4, #5 not "independent", #2: I won't buy this on Kindle to check (unless someone donates 9,99 Euro), but it seems to be about the general concept of this method, not about this specific application. Even if "Energy Genesis" as specific topic was covered there, one questionable source from a clearly involved author (book info available on Amazon) would not be enough to establish notability. GermanJoe ( talk) 07:25, 29 July 2016 (UTC) reply

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  • Delete. The centre appears to have previously been known as Life Vessel of the Rockies. Claims around healing technologies mean that WP:FRINGE applies here. There are not adequate sources provided to substantiate these claims. I searched but didn't find anything from a reliable source to overcome these concerns. I don't see that notability has been established for either this center or the technology used at this center. Drchriswilliams ( talk) 09:23, 29 July 2016 (UTC) reply
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The result was delete. sufficient consensus DGG ( talk ) 04:13, 6 August 2016 (UTC) reply

Roy Leep

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Hopefully we can finally get to a confirmed consensus considering the 2 other AfDs (3 if you count the third listed here at the side), my own searches have found nothing at all actually convincing and there's summarily nothing else better. SwisterTwister talk 07:09, 29 July 2016 (UTC) reply

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  • Delete local weather men are almost never notable. This article dates from the early days of Wikipedia when it was being fill up in a haphazard manner in a hobbyist way that ignored any sense of what a coherent encyclopedia that would really be beneficial to people would look like. John Pack Lambert ( talk) 04:22, 2 August 2016 (UTC) reply
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The result was delete. Editors are free to create a redirect, perhaps from the correctly spelled version of the name.  Sandstein  07:22, 6 August 2016 (UTC) reply

Menentukan Arah(Album Sheila On 7)

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A group created a record album. That's fine, but it does not enjoy inherent notability. Are there satisfactory references to demonstrate notability Edison ( talk) 02:07, 14 July 2016 (UTC) reply

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Delete. I would say redirect to Sheila on 7, but it is an improbable search term. I couldn't find any reliable sources that discuss this album in depth. These all seem like trivial mentions. I would check to see if the album charted but there's no Indonesian national chart listed at Wikipedia:Record charts. -- Cerebellum ( talk) 14:25, 5 August 2016 (UTC) reply

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The result was delete. sufficient consensus DGG ( talk ) 14:00, 6 August 2016 (UTC) reply

Imprima

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My searches noticeably found simply found nothing at all and that's not surprising because, even if it's from 100 years ago, it was apparently only relaunched 15 years ago; my searches including archived news have found nothing. SwisterTwister talk 02:46, 14 July 2016 (UTC) reply

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The result was no consensus. ( WP:NPASR). North America 1000 07:02, 5 August 2016 (UTC) reply

Database of Recorded American Music

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No evidence of notability. SST flyer 05:57, 14 July 2016 (UTC) reply

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The result was delete. North America 1000 07:06, 5 August 2016 (UTC) reply

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Obvious WP:NOTESSAY RegistryKey (RegEdit) 06:53, 29 July 2016 (UTC) reply

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The result was Keep. Andrew D. ( talk) 05:34, 1 August 2016 (UTC) reply

William Henry Lyttelton (1820–1884)

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Unremarkable minor clergyman (rank of rector / canon only). Status as son of aristocrat and husband of the daughter of a bishop appears to be basis of claimed notability ("he is an important local figure"). Dubbin u |  t |  c 07:03, 14 July 2016 (UTC) reply

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The result was redirect to Faber Drive. Per WP:NPASR (non-admin closure) — UY Scuti Talk 14:26, 5 August 2016 (UTC) reply

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Fails WP:GNG and WP:MUSICBIO. The only reliable sources that exist deal more with the band he was in ( Faber Drive) rather than the artist himself; since the band seems barely notable itself, WP:INHERIT applies here. Colonel Wilhelm Klink ( Complaints| Mistakes) 21:52, 7 July 2016 (UTC) reply

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  • Per WP:MUSICBIO, a musician whose notability is band-dependent, and who cannot be reliably sourced as having any independent notability separate from the band, gets a redirect to the band and not a standalone BLP — but this claims, and even more importantly sources, nothing that would make him eligible for a standalone article. Redirect to Faber Drive — although I note that even the band's article is entirely unsourced, and may itself be vulnerable to deletion if it can't be upreffed to a keepable standard. Bearcat ( talk) 17:57, 18 July 2016 (UTC) reply
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The result was Delete: unanimous. The editor who uses the pseudonym " JamesBWatson" ( talk) 14:30, 30 July 2016 (UTC) reply

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This is an article about a Japanese economist who is an associate professor at Ibaraki University. The article creator has previously posted reasons why the article should be deleted on the article's talk page, but I am not convinced that is enough to satisfy notability. I commenced translating the article, but ran out of motivation when I started to doubt the notability. I also believe it may be either an autobiography or written by someone close to the subject, as the author's only contributions on both the English and Japanese Wikis have been concerning Noda. If anybody wants help understanding the Japanese or has particular questions regarding the contents, I am willing to help with that. AtHomeIn神戸 ( talk) 07:47, 14 July 2016 (UTC) reply

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The result was redirect to The Starving Artists Project. North America 1000 06:59, 5 August 2016 (UTC) reply

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Absolutely no credible assertion of independent notability. Delete or redirect to The Starving Artists Project. Slashme ( talk) 16:38, 7 July 2016 (UTC) reply

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Redirect to The Starving Artists Project, since he does not pass WP:GNG and WP:ARTIST outside of this project. Arthistorian1977 ( talk) 11:09, 10 July 2016 (UTC) reply

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The result was delete. Nobody actually advocates anything other than deletion.  Sandstein  07:23, 6 August 2016 (UTC) reply

Deepin

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Lack of any reliable sources covering the subject. Basically all the sources I could find were blogs, I previously tagged it for CSD G4, but it was declined. See also, previous AFD at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Linux Deepin. - Champion ( talk) ( contribs) (Formerly TheChampionMan1234) 01:39, 14 July 2016 (UTC) reply

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  • Comment. Hi there, we have collected several sources yet we are having trouble creating links with WebCite, we have initiated a plan to encourage international deepin users to help us editting this article. We believe that will be a better solution. As the Italian version of deepin's wiki page is so much better than the one we did. AlickDeepin ( talk) 06:19, 22 July 2016 (UTC) reply
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  • Delete I had a look at it before as well. My primary concern is that for software, it is quite easy to "create" news (particularly reviews). This needs to be evaluated alongside other softwares. What I see here is that a distro which is not really very popular - although it may be sometime in the future, maybe a couple of years? Per Wikipedia:NSOFTWARE I consider this as a WP:PRODUCT and there is no evidence that this is "significant in its particular field". Delete for now. -- Lemongirl942 ( talk) 13:22, 5 August 2016 (UTC) reply
  • Delete -- not independently notable. K.e.coffman ( talk) 05:07, 6 August 2016 (UTC) reply
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The result was delete. MBisanz talk 19:07, 6 August 2016 (UTC) reply

Brent Hughes (ice hockey, born 1982)

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fails WP:NHOCKEY and WP:GNG Joeykai ( talk) 09:17, 21 July 2016 (UTC) reply

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The result was delete. SOFTDELETE per low participation herein. North America 1000 00:31, 6 August 2016 (UTC) reply

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fails WP:NHOCKEY and WP:GNG Joeykai ( talk) 22:55, 14 July 2016 (UTC) reply

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The result was delete. MBisanz talk 19:07, 6 August 2016 (UTC) reply

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My searches have simply found nothing actually convincing and there's nothing else to actually suggest convincing independent notability. SwisterTwister talk 22:25, 14 July 2016 (UTC) reply

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The result was no consensus. Per WP:NPASR (non-admin closure) — UY Scuti Talk 14:17, 5 August 2016 (UTC) reply

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Apparently only best known for working at the New York Times so far and my searches have found no actual substantially convincing sources thus nothing to suggest independent notability. SwisterTwister talk 21:54, 14 July 2016 (UTC) reply

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The result was delete. consensus after relistings DGG ( talk ) 04:06, 6 August 2016 (UTC) reply

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No evidence of any notability except perhaps for losing a court case. Two published books appear to have no special notability and refs are from Amazon. The remaining refs show that he exists and and that he has helped set up an organisation in Northwest Indiana but no evidence of notability. Another real estate salesman (failed) of which there must be many thousands in the US alone.   Velella   Velella Talk   08:51, 14 July 2016 (UTC) reply

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The result was Keep. Sufficient consensus that WP:GNG is satisfied. Michig ( talk) 07:21, 5 August 2016 (UTC) reply

Muse (headband)

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Promotional and non notable. Makes medical claims without using MEDRS quality resources. I tagged it for A7and G111, but the tags were removed by another editor, who seems to think that the mere presence of references indicate possible importance even if they are just press press releases, DGG ( talk ) 07:16, 13 July 2016 (UTC) reply

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  • Keep – WP:GNG pass. Some sources below. The article does not have a particularly promotional tone, does not extol any greatness of the product, use peacock language, or encourage readers to purchase the product. Existence of an article ≠ automatic promotionalism by default in this case. North America 1000 17:35, 13 July 2016 (UTC) reply
  • Comment If " The device measures brain activity via a series of EEG sensors, the level of activity is fed back to the user via headphones. Brain waves that correspond to a more relaxed state are represented by tweeting birds, those corresponding to higher amounts of brain activity are represented by storm sounds. Using the headband helps in reaching a deep relaxed state relatively quickly compared to traditional meditation..... The goal of Museis to use biofeedback to train your brain,.. isn't straightforward advertising what its? Complete violation of MEDRS, so in any case the claims would have to be removed, leaving no content. DGG ( talk ) 05:07, 14 July 2016 (UTC) reply
  • Delete as the listed coverage is all still expected regarding the fact this is about a technology and, of course, the articles themselves simply talk about the product itself and its benefits; it's all still too soon and we're best waiting for later. Even with the articles themselves talking about its benefits and such, that's advertorial and thus nothing else to base better from. SwisterTwister talk 20:11, 15 July 2016 (UTC) reply
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The result was speedy keep. North America 1000 02:29, 31 July 2016 (UTC) reply

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She has had some success, but I am not convinced she meets WP:MUSICBIO or WP:GNG Boleyn ( talk) 21:52, 14 July 2016 (UTC) reply

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  • Keep she is favorably reviewed several times in Billboard and also in the Charleston Gazette. She also profiled in both sources. I also found a listing in Keyboard magazine, but I don't have access. I added most of these sources to the article and expanded it accordingly. Megalibrarygirl ( talk) 17:54, 21 July 2016 (UTC) reply
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The result was Delete. Michig ( talk) 07:12, 5 August 2016 (UTC) reply

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Fails WP:NBIO. Tagged for notability since June 2008. GeoffreyT2000 ( talk) 21:21, 21 July 2016 (UTC) reply

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The result was delete and redirect to Holy Sons.  Sandstein  07:20, 6 August 2016 (UTC) reply

Decline of the West (album)

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Unreferenced. No indication of notability Rathfelder ( talk) 13:59, 7 July 2016 (UTC) reply

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The result was redirect to Eels discography. Per WP:NPASR (non-admin closure) — UY Scuti Talk 14:14, 5 August 2016 (UTC) reply

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Does not appear to satisfy the notability criteria. FamblyCat94 ( talk) 06:33, 7 July 2016 (UTC) reply

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The result was delete. sufficient consensus DGG ( talk ) 22:20, 31 July 2016 (UTC) reply

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2014 AfD closed as no consensus, few responses and an assumption that better sources would be found (hasn't happened yet). It was closed with no prejudice to swift renomination if sources weren't added, but I left it a while instead. I still can't establish that he meets WP:BIO or WP:GNG - hopefully this time we can reach a consensus. Boleyn ( talk) 11:59, 21 July 2016 (UTC) reply

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The result was Delete. Michig ( talk) 07:09, 5 August 2016 (UTC) reply

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Non notable film producer. Fails GNG and is not notable as a producer - all his credits appear to be as Co-producer with others getting first billing Gbawden ( talk) 09:49, 14 July 2016 (UTC) reply

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The result was no consensus. Per WP:NPASR (non-admin closure) — UY Scuti Talk 14:10, 5 August 2016 (UTC) reply

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fails WP:NHOCKEY and WP:GNG Joeykai ( talk) 22:52, 14 July 2016 (UTC) reply

  • A quick search indicates that he does have some coverage, e.g., this and this, so I am not sure he fails GNG. 16:07, 20 July 2016 (UTC)
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  • Keep - the page needs some cleanup, but there are some good sources linked on the page, an awards of note, as well as the links in the note above. I'm thinking mainly of the USA Today article, which is dead but shows that he has had coverage, as well as [32] [33], [34] and others. Yvarta ( talk) 10:00, 5 August 2016 (UTC) reply
    • Note: Went through page more closely, and the USA Today is just the high school version. Still some other good state coverage with some curated awards, so I'd still vote keep, even though otherwise he barely passes WP:Hockey per nom. Yvarta ( talk) 11:40, 5 August 2016 (UTC) reply
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The result was delete.  Sandstein  07:16, 6 August 2016 (UTC) reply

Clash of Queens: Dragons Rise

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Unnotable video game released this in 2016, so it might be too soon for an article on this video game. Using the custom source search for video games brings up 0 results for "Clash of Queens: Dragons Rise" and there is no Metacritic page. I could find no proper coverage for this subject. Anarchyte ( work | talk) 12:15, 21 July 2016 (UTC) reply

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The result was delete. North America 1000 06:53, 5 August 2016 (UTC) reply

Barbara Ellen Waxman

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From what can be found, the individual is just a typical lawyer and architect with no significant accomplishments. Anyways, there is not enough material to pass GNG. TheGracefulSlick ( talk) 06:26, 29 July 2016 (UTC) reply

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The result was speedy delete. Obvious spam regardless of notability Jimfbleak - talk to me? 06:23, 29 July 2016 (UTC) reply

R.Manthayammal

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Clear WP:AUTO violation (see edit history), and non-notable (claimed) doctor easily failing WP:GNG. Also, no references. Pianoman320 ( talk) 06:04, 29 July 2016 (UTC) reply

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The result was speedily deleted by User:Jo-Jo Eumerus under criterion G7. (Non-admin closure) " Pepper" @ 03:58, 30 July 2016 (UTC) reply

List of Olympic male gymnasts for Bangladesh

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List containing only one entry. Fbdave ( talk) 03:22, 29 July 2016 (UTC) Comment - I created that article. Anyone can (or should) delete this. Because, I think I failed to add more than one player on this article because he was the ony gymnast from Bangladesh in Olympics ever. I've added just one source, which is I think inadequete and I think the article is very short assuming its weigh. Actually, I was inspired by List of Olympic female gymnasts for Hungary and similar ones. I thought of making any one or more articles regarding male gymnasts and most probably about Bangladesh. It's all so. Neebras ( talk) 03:48, 29 July 2016 (UTC) reply

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The result was Delete. WP:V concerns around lack of third-party reliable sources take precedence over arguments about school notability. Hut 8.5 12:13, 6 August 2016 (UTC) reply

School of Liberal Arts

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Non-notable, defunct organization, insufficiently sourced. Electoralist ( talk) 01:56, 29 July 2016 (UTC) reply

I don't see anything in the article or references "proving" it existed. They clearly had a website at one point, but that's about it. Pianoman320 ( talk) 16:09, 29 July 2016 (UTC) reply
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  • Delete per ORG. (ORG, a guideline, explicitly states that schools are held to the same notability standards as other organizations.) What's available is far less than the significant coverage in multiple independent reliable sources that our guidelines require. Rebb ing 01:06, 1 August 2016 (UTC) reply
  • Keep as a secondary school per longstanding precedent and consensus. -- Necrothesp ( talk) 08:36, 1 August 2016 (UTC) reply
Secondary schools are kept if they can be reliably sourced — but being a secondary school is not a claim of notability that entitles an article to an exemption from having to be sourceable. We have seen articles created about hoax high schools that didn't actually exist at all, so a high school does not get to keep an article just for claiming to be a high school if RS coverage can't be located to verify its existence as a high school. Bearcat ( talk) 16:44, 1 August 2016 (UTC) reply
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The result was delete. MBisanz talk 19:07, 6 August 2016 (UTC) reply

College of Toronto

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Single sentence article, tagged as unsourced since 2009, non-notable organization and as it is defunct unlikely to ever be notable Electoralist ( talk) 01:53, 29 July 2016 (UTC) reply

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The result was delete.  Sandstein  07:19, 6 August 2016 (UTC) reply

Lin Liangming

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This footballer fails WP:NFOOTBALL as a player that has not played in any WP:FPL (fully proffessional league). Soccer8295 ( talk) 01:39, 29 July 2016 (UTC) reply

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Seems like the first nomination already voted in favour of keeping this article, so there's no point for another discussion (although I personally think it should be deleted). MYS 77 ✉ 21:44, 31 July 2016 (UTC) reply
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The result was Already speedily deleted G11. (non-admin closure) Shawn in Montreal ( talk) 14:53, 29 July 2016 (UTC) reply

Steak and eggs diet

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Not notable, fails WP:GNG Searches come up with blogs and not much else. ThePlatypusofDoom (talk) 01:37, 29 July 2016 (UTC) reply

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The result was delete. North America 1000 06:51, 5 August 2016 (UTC) reply

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The result was delete. MBisanz talk 19:08, 6 August 2016 (UTC) reply

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The result was delete. MBisanz talk 19:08, 6 August 2016 (UTC) reply

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The result was delete. MBisanz talk 19:08, 6 August 2016 (UTC) reply

Nigel Williams (ice hockey)

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The result was delete. MBisanz talk 19:08, 6 August 2016 (UTC) reply

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The result was Delete. Michig ( talk) 07:03, 5 August 2016 (UTC) reply

Sound Performance LTD

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seems to fail WP:COMPANY and WP:GNG. nothing notable, nothing encyclopaedic, cannot see why its presence here is justified Rayman60 ( talk) 00:58, 29 July 2016 (UTC) reply

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  • Delete and I frankly would've considered this speedy material as the Entrepreneur source is by all means, nowhere close to the needed substance, and there's simply nothing else actually better. SwisterTwister talk 22:30, 29 July 2016 (UTC) reply
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The result was delete.  Sandstein  07:16, 6 August 2016 (UTC) reply

List of maritime science fiction media

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Made-up genre based on one fansite article and a smidgin of original research. Orange Mike | Talk 00:46, 29 July 2016 (UTC) reply

Note that Taeyebar used the category to return today and change the lead yet again at Voyage to the Bottom of the Sea and The Abyss. For him this is an excuse to edit war. - Gothicfilm ( talk) 00:30, 30 July 2016 (UTC) reply

User:Betty Logan, I think it does because it's obviously not properly sourced yet. I think it was written too prematurely. Saving it as a draft would give us time to build on it before publishing it again.-- Taeyebar 02:08, 30 July 2016 (UTC) reply

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The result was Speedy delete - already deleted as G7, per author's request (non-admin closure). GermanJoe ( talk) 12:02, 29 July 2016 (UTC) reply

الغوص الحرّ

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I wrote an Arabic article in English Wikipedia Akram1988 ( talk) 23:59, 28 July 2016 (UTC) reply

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The result was delete. MBisanz talk 19:08, 6 August 2016 (UTC) reply

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fails WP:NHOCKEY and WP:GNG Joeykai ( talk) 00:05, 29 July 2016 (UTC) reply

  • Delete: Article on NN hockey player created by the editor in question in defiance of consensus that belonging to a collegiate "all-tournament" team has never been considered notable under any iteration of NHOCKEY, the sort of shenanigans for which he was community banned from new article creation. Subject had a brief and undistinguished career in the mid-minor leagues, and there's no evidence that he meets the GNG. Ravenswing 01:59, 29 July 2016 (UTC) reply
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  1. ^ But see also WP:SCHOOLOUTCOMES, especially for universities
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