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Peace is a state of balance and understanding in yourself and between others, where respect is gained by the acceptance of differences, tolerance persists, conflicts are resolved through dialogue, people's rights are respected and their voices are heard, and everyone is at their highest point of serenity without social tension.
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My story today is sad but great. -- Gerda Arendt ( talk) 19:43, 6 October 2023 (UTC)
that Tessie O'Shea was born on Plantagenet Street, Riverside, Cardiff, a rather dodgy boulevard on which I myself once lived. The things one learns on here. KJP1 ( talk) 10:45, 8 October 2023 (UTC)
Hi Martin, any thoughts on Talk:Jimmy_Savile#The_Reckoning being broadcast on the moment? I'm not even going to start listing the minor inaccuracies because it is a TV drama, but the two mentioned here need to be addressed somewhere. ♦IanMacM♦ (talk to me) 15:36, 10 October 2023 (UTC)
Hello! Thanks for your with the National Trust 2022 pilot. Based on that work, the National Trust is supporting a second pilot, and some information is here WP:GLAM/National Trust. All the best Lajmmoore ( talk) 11:20, 22 October 2023 (UTC)
Hello old thing! How are you doing? I'm a bit Largely-Absent™ at the moment but was well chuffed, comme on dit, to see that you are back. Cheers, DBaK ( talk) 13:26, 29 October 2023 (UTC)
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Hevenu shalom aleichem is my story today. -- Gerda Arendt ( talk) 21:42, 2 November 2023 (UTC)
I added some images from Aachen, taken 21 Oct. -- Gerda Arendt ( talk) 22:06, 3 November 2023 (UTC)
Your Day! A day to remember the victims of wars, and for me St. Martin's day, matched as short as I could in a 2010 DYK remembered, - so basically about sharing. -- Gerda Arendt ( talk) 11:08, 11 November 2023 (UTC)
I began another day of vacation pics, with the deepest blue of the sea ;) - we celebrate the birthday of a friend who wrote quite a book about the compositions of a man who will turn 300 soon. -- Gerda Arendt ( talk) 15:24, 14 November 2023 (UTC)
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It's a good job we can trust these Admin types. That's the last time I ever make a pilgrimage to take the grotto cure. Martinevans123 ( talk) 20:01, 8 November 2023 (UTC)
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And death shall have no dominion
Though they go mad they shall be sane,
Though they sink through the sea they shall rise again;
Though lovers be lost love shall not;
And death shall have no dominion.
Constructed very quickly, by a Mr R Sunak of Westminster, this charming period piece wins this week's glittering Restoration Award on The Slightly Repaired Shop. Martinevans123 ( talk) 18:48, 17 November 2023 (UTC)
Hi there Martin! Not sure if you have watch-listed Google Glass, so I thought I would send you this example of how I would re-work this content to make it more copyright compliant. Diff of Google Glass — Diannaa ( talk) 18:38, 19 November 2023 (UTC)
It's time for another entrant in our current round of unelected PMs, and as we've mentioned before, your CV fits the bill. You have exactly the right amount of hands-on governmental experience and glib self-assurance. We're slotting you in in mid-December, when everyone is distracted by the holidays, for a run of, well, maybe a year or so if past trends hold. England Expects That Every Man Will Do His Duty. Signed, Charles Rex
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So, Sections 4/5/6 down. I’ll take a look back at 1 next, where lots of work’s already been done. Then, 2, where less has moved, and finally the rather daunting 3, where b@gger all’s happened. There’ll be a slight hiatus coz I’m away again next week, and then we’ve the big move in early December. But by Christmas 2024 we’ll be clear! KJP1 ( talk) 12:13, 23 November 2023 (UTC)
Martin, Where I could use some help is with Medlar-with-Wesham. It's largely yours. Aside from reading like a Yellow Pages entry, and with a wealth of unsourced local colour; the "war memorial enjoys attractive floral displays throughout the year"!?WTF!?; it has two big bits on buildings, the Mowbreck Hall bit, and the whole section devoted to the workhouse. Neither is sourced, but both have the "ring" of having come from somewhere. "a fine edifice of red brick" / "faced with Accrington red-pressed bricks, and stone dressings". Any ideas as to where? What it really needs is a through copy edit/trim. KJP1 ( talk) 09:23, 24 November 2023 (UTC)
Another one is A la Ronde. I think you said you still had the guidebook. Swathes of it are uncited, and much of it reads like a "lift". Other stuff we think comes from the Searle blog - or did he copy from us? What it needs is a thorough trim, and a check against the guidebook to ensure that any close paraphrasing is eliminated. KJP1 ( talk) 10:14, 24 November 2023 (UTC)
A thought occurs, while I wait to go to the library to check the ODNB entry for Jane Parminter; there is a separate article about the cousins at Jane and Mary Parminter which more or less duplicates the history section. Would it be worthwhile merging the two articles while we are in the process of a relatively major edit? Murgatroyd49 ( talk) 13:14, 25 November 2023 (UTC)
Hi there. Just to let you know that the fountain is still there, or was the last time I looked. It's tucked away in the small open triangle - Seven Dials Close, behind Sainsbury's where Las Iguanas is situated. It was largely the opposite side of Saw Place that was redeveloped. Mighty Antar ( talk) 14:42, 25 November 2023 (UTC)
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One of his best, I think: "Scotch and Soul" (2006 Remaster), originally the title track for Scotch & Soul (1966): Rufus Harley – bagpipes, Oliver Collins – piano, James Glenn – bass, Billy Abner – drums, Robert Gosset – congas. Martinevans123 ( talk) 20:41, 28 November 2023 (UTC)
Now preparing for a major re-work of the Sun article, thanks to this recently discovered source. Thank you, Gary Larson! Martinevans123 ( talk) 20:36, 30 November 2023 (UTC)
Sadly insufficient secondary sources for an entry at List of cover versions of Led Zeppelin songs: alas. Martinevans123 ( talk) 22:24, 7 December 2023 (UTC)
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RIP Shane: [9]. from Rum Sodomy & the Lash (1985), vocal: Cait O'Riordan. Martinevans123 ( talk) 10:02, 8 December 2023 (UTC)
Hello there I reverted your addition of a Sunak quote at question time because history suggests this will just lead to some supporter of the Greek position adding a counter quote etc. I think we should avoid this article turning into a forum where editors engage in a running commentary on political squabbles about the marbles. I think the significant fact is that a scheduled meeting was cancelled due to comments about the marbles. The rights and wrongs of this and who said what to who and who was grandstanding (they probably both were) will be an endless debate. Happy to discuss. Aemilius Adolphin ( talk) 22:15, 29 November 2023 (UTC)
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Today's story is about Maria Callas, on her centenary. - Aaron Copland died OTD, and Jerome Kohl (mentioned in November) said something wise on Copland's talk, - yes, regarding a soft(er) stance towards infoboxes. -- Gerda Arendt ( talk) 16:50, 2 December 2023 (UTC)
Yes, I like it! - My story today is about Michael Robinson, - it's an honour to have known him. -- Gerda Arendt ( talk) 15:10, 13 December 2023 (UTC)
Pics up to 3 December (with my shadow in one of them), and a story about Beethoven in memory of his birth. When the arb who wrote the infoboxes case installed the community consensus - in 2015! - I hoped these infobox wars were over, really. - What do you think about writing The Sleeping Child (Chilcott) together? -- Gerda Arendt ( talk) 23:03, 16 December 2023 (UTC)
Hi Martinevans123, I apologized for myself putting the wrong category "comedian" for Lesley Joseph and thank you for your understanding for explanation about her. She's just a comic actress. Ernestine Sanchez ( talk) 14:35, 4 December 2023 (UTC)
Hello...thanks for the cited needed tag [11]; now met. That makes you a gentleman in my mind - its always good when tage are added to specific claims rather than, euf, leaving an overbearing and large template at the top. Ceoil ( talk) 00:28, 6 December 2023 (UTC)
Observations on Brexit, on BBC's Question Time (2018) and performing "Money" in Newcastle in 1991 Martinevans123 ( talk) 22:26, 8 December 2023 (UTC)
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Hello @ Martinevans123, on article Douglas Murray (author), in the lede section third para contains info about his admirers and critics. So when I included a brief line "He has been accused of being Islamophobic by academics and journalists." with WP:RS sources since it was WP:Notable, another editor removed it. I was thinking maybe you could provide your input if it escalates to edit-war. 182.183.58.243 ( talk) 23:46, 13 December 2023 (UTC)
/info/en/?search=Talk:Murder_of_David_Amess#Should_this_article_reflect_trial_accounts_of_the_attack/Ali’s_behaviour? I have added talk discussion on my edit. 92.17.199.182 ( talk) 13:12, 15 December 2023 (UTC)
I know it has been months, but I don't feel like doing it but feels that if anyone thinks that the revision I made could be used for any revisions in the future, albeit with better written paragraphs or if they are worth expanding, please feel free to do so, I had long added "further explanation needed" in the last paragraph of the "attack" section; as I am a resident of Southend, I feel that this is better suited to users here, especially as I sadly never knew Amess' name before he died (I guess politics is not my thing and I have autism); regardless of what he was like or what controversies he may have had in life, what happened to him is a terribly sad story. I feel for how much he must have suffered, and certainly for his wife and children. It also helps people to remember there are real families involved, that the man was a people’s relative, their blood, and not just names for amateur sleuths to fuss over. As I mentioned before, I just didn't want to stir up any more pain and trouble for the Amess family." 92.17.198.220 ( talk) 15:25, 8 April 2024 (UTC)
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Thank you so much for the lovely and colourful message! All the best to you and yours DBaK ( talk) 19:35, 20 December 2023 (UTC)
Thanks, Martin Happy Christmas to you too.
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I do confess to watching this video again this morning, and so I can't really justify editing Jacob Rees-Mogg as I'm concerned my POV might get in the way; anyway, I think the talk page discussion is worth having. Ritchie333 (talk) (cont) 14:18, 21 December 2023 (UTC)
It's good knowing you're back!! Atsme 💬 📧 14:15, 22 December 2023 (UTC)
Is this the best Christmas song, or what? ♦IanMacM♦ (talk to me) 10:39, 25 December 2023 (UTC)
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RIP Tony Oxley: Taunton 1991. Martinevans123 ( talk) 10:42, 27 December 2023 (UTC)
Rather than remove innocuous unsourced content and the resulting category, isn't it more constructive to do a quick search for sources? South African Coconut ice was easy to source. Pam D 07:00, 28 December 2023 (UTC)
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Like 2019, remember? -- Gerda Arendt ( talk) 22:36, 1 January 2024 (UTC)
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Thank you for memories! I remember Ewa Podleś on the Main page, and have - believe it or not - two musical DYK. Shalom chaverim. On vacation, with something for your sweet tooth -- Gerda Arendt ( talk) 09:35, 25 January 2024 (UTC)
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Thank you for your last message at Talk:Paula Vennells. I don't know what it is about that article, but it seems to cause an editorial dispute at every turn (not all involving you, I do acknowledge)!
I do feel as though we've got off on the wrong foot, which is a shame as I believe we edit some of the same topics and so should be Wiki-friends (or at least Wiki-acquaintances). For example, I can see you've been involved with listed buildings in Gwynedd and I've recently brought Criccieth Castle and Dolwyddelan Castle up to GA status. I hope that if we bump into each other again we can make a better go of it. All the best, A.D.Hope ( talk) 13:51, 19 January 2024 (UTC)
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"Dat" (1976): "Rasta Ozzy from up the hill, Decide to check on him grocery bill..." Opal Records: PAL 5 Martinevans123 ( talk) 19:18, 19 January 2024 (UTC)
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"Follow the sources" is the default, but is a convention not a firm rule. In articles on UK railways, for example, the current consensus is to use imperial, despite the fact that railway engineering in Britain has been done exclusively in metric since 1975. So the disp=flip
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So the choice also depends on existing use in the article concerned, hence the MOS:RETAIN reference. 𝕁𝕄𝔽 ( talk) 15:28, 20 January 2024 (UTC)
Laurie Johnson MBE (7 February 1927 – 16 January 2024) - composer of the theme for The Avengers (1965) and many, many more. Martinevans123 ( talk) 14:37, 23 January 2024 (UTC)
Melanie Anne Safka-Schekeryk (February 3, 1947 – January 23, 2024): "Brand New Key". Martinevans123 ( talk) 22:29, 24 January 2024 (UTC)
Sorry about reverting your edit, I'm tryng to keep the image close to the relevant text. It actually worked better before a previous editor removed half of the explanation. Murgatroyd49 ( talk) 12:17, 28 January 2024 (UTC)
Apparenlty Big Brother. Slatersteven ( talk) 15:03, 29 January 2024 (UTC)
I'm just making a heavy-handed point to a new editor. Anna ( talk) 15:22, 29 January 2024 (UTC)
Hi, just clarifying. Per MOS:BIRTHPLACE birth/death places are not put in the brackets with dates. Birth and death places, if known, should be mentioned in the body of the article, and can appear in the lead if relevant to notability, but not in the opening brackets alongside the birth and death dates. Executive zombie ( talk) 15:29, 29 January 2024 (UTC)
over a packet of fags. I'm surprised that, by 2012, they could get away with heralding a packet of cigarettes as representing "20 years of quality"! ...lights another Malboro Gold and returns to task at hand. KJP1 ( talk) 09:34, 30 January 2024 (UTC)
"A good smoke at a fair price" (i.e. your lungs).... "No, you don't see many wild stallions any more." Martinevans123 ( talk) 09:41, 30 January 2024 (UTC)
Martin - have to break off, as we're out to lunch. I need a way to make multiple references to the Stansfield article, but with different page numbers in each. I don't really want the article to appear multiple times in the Refs. I could do it if we were sfn, but we're not. Any ideas? KJP1 ( talk) 11:51, 30 January 2024 (UTC)
Your edit here, Lady Park Wood National Nature Reserve, inspired me to create the above. I used to love running across that swingy bridge as a kid! KJP1 ( talk) 10:30, 31 January 2024 (UTC)
While following the recent news, I wonder if the Earhart article could use some clearing up to simplify the length or descriptions of events. The description of the main image is superfluous, saying "Earhart beneath the nose of her Lockheed Model 10-E Electra, March 1937 in Oakland, California, before departing on her final round-the-world attempt prior to her disappearance"; the words "before departing on her final round-the-world attempt prior to her disappearance" could be omitted as it would be very clear when the photo was taken and doesn't necessary relate to the vanishing as that was months away. The words "It is generally presumed that she and Noonan died somewhere in the Pacific during the circumnavigation, just three weeks prior to her fortieth birthday" are an odd placement to me, as in the event any of the theories (crash and sink or Gardner island castaway) are ever confirmed, it could be misleading, particularly if for the sake of argument, it is the castaway theory that is confirmed, it possible she would have lived to have seen her 40th birthday, if she had survived on Gardner for some time before perishing. Speaking of which, there is a possible article that could be used for the recent sonar discovery in which David Jourdan (himself a crash and sink theorist) cautions, "It is impossible to identify anything from a sonar image alone as sound can be tricky and the artifact could be damaged in unpredictable ways altering its shape. For that reason, you can never say that something is (or isn’t) from a sonar image alone, [1]~~ 92.17.199.182 ( talk) 22:17, 31 January 2024 (UTC)
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Phew, what an album.... "with songs that stick close to a vision of darkness, gloom, and noise." No-one else can really play like Thompson. He just seems to get better and better. "Her Love Was Meant for Me". Martinevans123 ( talk) 20:23, 4 February 2024 (UTC)
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My calendar story today is about Michael Herrmann celebrating his birthday. -- Gerda Arendt ( talk) 23:17, 4 February 2024 (UTC)
Today I am happy about a singer on the Main page (at least for the first hours), after TFA the same day last year. -- Gerda Arendt ( talk) 15:32, 7 February 2024 (UTC)
Now, look where your seeking to engage with that tin-foil hatter on the Paula Vennels talkpage has got us to. They are now leaving Banning Notices on my Talkpage! Have you sorted your maths yet? KJP1 ( talk) 12:53, 9 February 2024 (UTC)
I like it when folks swing their elbows widely. Thanks! BusterD ( talk) 13:35, 9 February 2024 (UTC)
Whaaat? [22] Ceoil ( talk) 14:11, 11 February 2024 (UTC)
Damo Suzuki (16 January 1950 – 9 February 2024): "Spoon" (1971). Martinevans123 ( talk) 20:16, 11 February 2024 (UTC)
Second-Largest refracting tele. Fact check lens size of Swedish 1-m Solar Tele —which is larger. Classact1000 ( talk) 19:04, 12 February 2024 (UTC)
You can do these yourself, you know! KJP1 ( talk) 08:35, 16 February 2024 (UTC)
My present health state, and age (probably more the latter), means that I struggle to concentrate on matters for more than a few minutes. I wonder if you might have some interest in this outfit - if so, there has been a new, single purpose editor cutting a swathe through the article with editing comments such as "actual details incorrect and members incorrect . Incorrect place band formed , incorrect details how gee street was started incorrect description of band members".
I have not the time to investigate all those 'incorrect' amendments, but I did look long enough at Martin Strong's publication to note that he states the band formed in Clapham, not Brixton. Needless to say the editor does not supply any reference(s) to back up his claims. If you have the time and inclination, of course. Thanks - Derek R Bullamore ( talk) 15:42, 17 February 2024 (UTC)
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Please examine the up-to-date information I have referenced in the talk page for the 737 MAX. It is factually incorrect in 2024 to imply that the Ethiopian and Indonesian crashes were purely caused by MCAS. Leaving out information that was discovered in the crash investigations and court cases does a disservice to readers. 2603:6080:5A07:C24C:2826:EC6A:8140:2117 ( talk) 14:56, 19 February 2024 (UTC)
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Hi @ Martinevans123!
You recently restored chunks of a previous version of Martin Heidegger with the edit description "unexplained removal of sourced content". If you look back through the edit history, however, I think you will find that these are mostly my edits, and that I provided fairly detailed descriptions of non-trivial changes that I made as I proceeded piecemeal through the article (which is how I prefer to edit—in the interest of transparency and so that other editors can revert more selectively where they might disagree). At the same time, I was also active on the talk page with respect to any more general issues that other editors might wish to raise. It's always possible I made some bad calls, but I didn't just delete blocks of content without justification.
In view of this, would you kindly consider self-reverting? And to make your desired changes in a manner that is likewise easier to track? I don't have any strong vision for the article, and I think you'll find me a fairly easy-going collaborator if you intend to do more work on it (and it definitely does still need work—esp. post-BT!) I just find it hard to track what's being changed when so many changes are being made together in a single edit.
Cheers, Patrick J. Welsh ( talk) 00:38, 21 February 2024 (UTC)
Hi, can you please explain why you removed important citation confirming 59 MPs have signed no confidence EDM in the lead? Please consider reinstating urgently. Thanks "The lead must conform to verifiability, biographies of living persons, and other policies. The verifiability policy states that all quotations, and any material whose verifiability has been challenged or is likely to be challenged, must include an inline citation to a reliable source that directly supports it." https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/lindsay-hoyle-commons-gaza-ceasefire-vote-latest-b2500595.html Jaymailsays ( talk) 14:38, 22 February 2024 (UTC)
For this and this. ♦IanMacM♦ (talk to me) 07:21, 1 March 2024 (UTC)
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Feel entirely free to add to this, extolling the superior quality of the arable land! The difficult bit is finding specifically Monmouthshire sources. Since the growth of Newport, both east and west, that tends to dominate, e.g. Newport Wetlands. I suspect it will also be a difficulty when describing the wildlife under Biodiversity. KJP1 ( talk) 10:49, 9 March 2024 (UTC)
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too busy responding hereat the time you made the revert at 22:40, as the warning and this discussion didn't start until 3 minutes later. At 22:40, you could have started a discussion either on the article talk page, or my talk page, but you didn't. You chose to restore a copyright violation.
So it's a "double CTOP article"?Yes, as can be seen in the talk page banners on Talk:Murder of Brianna Ghey, the article is covered by both WP:GENSEX and WP:BLP. Sideswipe9th ( talk) 23:33, 11 March 2024 (UTC)
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RIP Eric Carmen (August 11, 1949 – March 2024). "Overnight Sensation (Hit Record)" (lead guitar: Wally Bryson). "I don't need no reputation And I'm not in it for the show" Martinevans123 ( talk) 22:00, 12 March 2024 (UTC) p.s. [25]
Hello! I see that you edited Punch Bowl Inn on 5 March to say "It was demolished in June 2021 with the required planning permission...", and to my understanding that's the very opposite of what happened. I just wanted to check before I edit this - was this a simple typo (easily done!), or have I misunderstood the situation here (also easily done!)? Thanks, CLW ( talk) 08:46, 15 March 2024 (UTC)
RIP Stephen Malcolm Ronald Nice (27 February 1951 – 17 March 2024): "Judy Teen" (1974). Martinevans123 ( talk) 12:03, 17 March 2024 (UTC)
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Happy 75th Birthday, Richard Thompson! [27] Martinevans123 ( talk) 20:41, 3 April 2024 (UTC) oops!
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Adding the year to any date causes no harm, improves clarity, and is suggested by various Wikipedia guidelines, including WP:DATE. And I'm sure you know what "assume" means. Would you please consider undoing your revert. The Wikipedia Community thanks you. Truthanado ( talk) 17:44, 26 March 2024 (UTC)
Dali had previously travelled from Panama to the U.S., arriving in New York on March 19, 2024, ..." what other years could the following two dates possibly refer to? I think your argument is wholly ridiculous. If you don't wish to revert, by all means raise this at the Talk page and get other opinions. (But thanks so much for asking). Martinevans123 ( talk) 18:11, 26 March 2024 (UTC)
As of March 26, it was being chartered by Maersk" might be better written as: "
On the day of the accident, it was being chartered by Maersk"? Thanks. Martinevans123 ( talk) 18:26, 26 March 2024 (UTC)
How long have you been waiting for this opportunity? MIDI ( talk) 20:25, 26 March 2024 (UTC)
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RIP Gerry Conway (11 September 1947 – 29 March 2024). The first time I heard him play was on the title track of the 1973 Fairport album Rosie. Still have my copy of the Island single. Saw him play at Cropredy many times. [30] Martinevans123 ( talk) 20:41, 30 March 2024 (UTC)
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At least that is what the United States says. They own Park Place and Boardwalk. Maybe we can add more information to it? Awesome Aasim 23:53, 3 April 2024 (UTC)
I've removed content from Gerry Conway that was a blatant paraphrase of this bio. You might want to demonstrate that you're learning what is acceptable paraphrasing by cleaning up Poor Murdered Woman as well. Der Wohltemperierte Fuchs talk 21:30, 8 April 2024 (UTC)
Martin Carthy sang Poor Murdered Woman on his 1968 album with Dave Swarbrick, But Two Came By, and reissued on the compilation albums This Is... Martin Carthy and A Collection. Martin Carthy commented in his original album's sleeve notes:"
* 1968, Martin Carthy (guitar, vocal) and Dave Swarbrick (mandolin), But Two Came By, Topic Records. It also appears on the compilation albums: This Is... Martin Carthy (1971), A Collection (1999), and Essential (2011). Carthy comments in the original album's sleeve notes:"
Carthy comments in the liner notes for his 1968 album:", although that does repeat the year.
On Tuesday 14 January 1834, the events related in the story were reported in The Times." Martinevans123 ( talk) 09:10, 12 April 2024 (UTC)
Looks like we disagree on something. I understand your point about this event occurring 11 years ago but I feel like when we state, "At the time", that makes the reader think that it no longer is a reliable aircraft. Maybe instead of saying, "At the time, the Boeing 777 had a good reputation for safety", we can rephrase it to, "The safety record of the Boeing 777 was favorable then and continues to be so". Eliminating the sentence completely might also be a way to end this conflict. CreatorOfMinecraftHerobrine ( talk) 20:10, 15 April 2024 (UTC)
I wonder if the articles should now treat OJ Simpson "officially" as the killer of Goldman and Brown, going by the overwhelming consensus of reliable sources in serious, in-depth scholarship and journalism. I have raised the discussion on Simpson's talk page. 92.17.198.220 ( talk) 20:32, 15 April 2024 (UTC)
I just presumed that you would know about it a lot, particularly as it is a controversial case and a huge crime one. If you don't, I am sorry. It is just that you were so helpful with the Savile discussions that I thought you could be able to help in some way. Sorry about confusion. 92.17.198.220 ( talk) — Preceding undated comment added 20:41, 15 April 2024 (UTC)
I am probably over fussy on this point, but I wouldn't consider this "tweak" [37] to meet the very strict criteria at WP:MINOR. Regards, Jonathan A Jones ( talk) 14:33, 17 April 2024 (UTC)
Hello Martin! Yes,
quite. Is this documented somewhere? It is driving me redacteding nuts where people who were excellently taught in high school, and I am not being sarcastic there, get on a mission to "correct" stuff in BrE which I believe does not need correcting. I see it so much; it's fine in AmE, sure; it seems to me to be a redacteding horrible overcorrection in BrE. Is it a known and recognized issue? It's a bit like the "that and which" thing which I think is another one where the rules are not the same across the Atlantic.
Or, another option ... I am simply wrong! Wouldn't be the first time. Will not be the last time. Helppppp! DBaK ( talk) 17:18, 22 April 2024 (UTC)
Commas really are not a MOS:ENGVAR matter." I'm still quite confused. (No change, there, then). AAAAARRRRRGGGGHHHH!!! etc. Martinevans123 ( talk) 17:31, 22 April 2024 (UTC)
If one is approaching WP from an "I want to delete every single comma I can possibly get away with removing", then one is not approaching encyclopedic writing with the most appropriate mindset. (Same goes if one's approach is "I want to write as traditionally [insert country adjective here] as possible, according to my perception." MoS's worst disrupter of all time was one of those, though an American-supremacist in that case.) The sensible goal of encyclopedic writing is communicating as effectively as possible to the largest audience (and WP really has the broadest audience in history). We simply don't have a goal of getting maximum possible concision at all costs ( WP:NOT#PAPER is also relevant in that regard, and frequently cited against attempts to force unnecessary and unhelpful concision/compression/abbreviation/omission of various kinds). The WP:Use common sense approach is to include any comma by which immediate comprehensibility is improved, even if only slightly and even if only for a subset of readers. It is always going to be the case that encyclopedic writing has more commas in it – still, even after one or another of you denudes it of commas that you don't prefer – than some subset of our readers would like to see. This is a given, since various of the youngest more-or-less-adult users of our language would prefer none at all; their terrible writing can be seen all over social media, usually also missing apostrophes and other punctuation as well as capital letter. The use of a comma after introductory phrases is simply clearer formal writing (instead of marketing or, increasingly, news-style hyper-compression). The sort of writing that drops commas like mad is designed for two things: to be output as fast as possible (to meet news deadlines or for speed of e-content firehosing), and to be as skimmable for keywords as efficently as possible (a goal of advertising, social-media posting, and most journalism, since such material is rapidly eye-scanned by most readers, only for a few seconds, and not read in any detail unless something very firmly grabs someone's attention). Many fiction writers (regardless of nationality) also drop a lot of commas, the more so the more they are trying to ecapsulate casual and contemporary spoken English in their dialogue writing; and of course fiction is also generally read at a fast rate. Encyclopedic material is usually read in some detail and requires more mental parsing (even if we now have user-study proof that readers will navigate to sections of interest rather than read whole articles top-to-bottom in most cases). We take pains to be precise and clear, down to any possibility of misleading nuance or incorrect inference, or even just clumsy structure that forces some readers to struggle to parse it.
It has nothing to do with Americans or North Americans in particular [I learned to read and write in Oxfordshire, as an anecdotal aside], and dropping of the comma you don't like is frequent in American advertising and American newswriting, just as such omission is found in the same sorts of material in the UK and elsewhere. The retention of that comma makes for clearer parsing (by all readers, the more so the more complex or potentially ambiguous the construction), which is why it is more often retained in academic writing regardless of country (though over 100,000 academic journals in publication today, it is not difficult to find some academic material that leans toward journalism levels of comma dropping). Maybe more to the real point here, the presence of a comma in "According to Smith, [claim here]" or "In March 2017, Jones [did whatever]" or "Leaving Alexandria, McNabb moved to [wherever]" is understood by 100% of English readers and there is no dialect in which they are an error. That is, it confuses no one, is mis-parsed by no one, has demonstrable benefits for some (many, actually), and has no cost other than a tiny glyph. Without those commas, the third is easily misparsed as a woman's name "Alexandria McNabb", and the first could easily have a similar effect depending on what came after "Smith" (e.g. "According to Smith Taylor & Francis [did something]"). While the middle example isn't likely subject to such "I had to go back and re-read this sentence again to make any sense of it" problems, the same construction should be used consistently (especially since dropping the comma in one case is apt to confuse various well-meaning people into going on a deletion rampage to enforce a much less helpful consistency in the opposite direction.
Misc. side points: Comma usage also varies noticeably across time, with far more commas (often downright weird ones that serve no apparent purpose) being used typically in Victorian to c. 1920s writing than later, and somewhat fewer used today than around maybe the 1970s. But there is a limit to which commas can be excised without significantly sacrificing clarity, especially to readers who are not 100% fluent (and an argument can be made that this limit was already reached in typical academic writing by around the 1990s at the latest; material from that era reads exactly the same as papers published today, but material from a generation or so earlier is quite different in various ways, and a generation back further it's downright ponderous and often pompous). PS: In my quite frequent reading of 19th-century source material, I find that the former excessive use of commas, of the sort Martin exaggerates above for humour, actually was prevalent more in British than American works of that era. It's also notable that the serial comma (a different comma that some people don't like, and about which people make incorrect ENGVAR claims all the time, and contradictory ones) is nicknamed both Oxford comma and Harvard comma, because it's not particular to either national dialect but to an academic register. I think much of what is going on here, as with some British editors' attempts to get WP to use "eg" and "ie", is an incorrect belief that what they see in various British newspapers, the ones with a style of typographic hyper-compression, is "British style" when it is actually the style of a few British news publishers, and is actually contrary to the advice in major British style guides, which lean more toward academic English, as does the American Chicago Manual of Style. However, this has gotten a bit muddled with the increasingly excoriated Waddingham edition of New Hart's Rules and Butterfield edition of Fowler's Modern English Usage, both of which injected a bunch of "let chaos reign" excessive descriptivism, often failing to actually be style guides at all, by declining in many cases to recommend anything specific any longer when presented with conflicting usages attestable in various recent-ish British publcations, but without regard to publication type/register/genre/audience, or quality/reputation, or editorial control level (which matters more and more with every passing year with the "internetification" of news leading to more direct pushing of content straight from journalists, often foreign contractors, direct to news websites with less and less any editorial supervision, and what little of it remains devoted almost entirely to avoiding factual blunders not to enforcing style; this is why the typo rate in even the most high-profiles newspapers/sites has shot up by an order of magnitude in the last decade or so). These mid-2010s versions of those "style guides" are engaging in a form of false equivalence, treating every occurrence of every variation as if equally preferable/utilitarian. But since those crap volumes came out (and MoS is not based on them in any way, but on the previous 2000s editions), there has been a notable uptick in attempts to get WP to write like UK news writing in particular, in a number of ways, based on untenable ENGVAR claims. It's much like claiming that the often stylistically weird writing of The New York Times and The New Yorker "is" American English, when in reality it's nothing but similar in-house style preferences of two particular commerical entities (in large part for "brand identity" reasons), which don't even have entirely American ownership, staffing or readership. That's all (substituting in the word "British") usually true today of the major UK-headquartered news publishers. PS: I find it curious that DBaK above is complaining about supposedly un-British writing yet used "recognized" with a "z". If that's a deliberate choice to use (or a habit of using) Oxford spelling, then the same preferences would also imply acceptance of both the serial comma and the comma after introductory clauses, since they're also favoured by OUP. — SMcCandlish ☏ ¢ 😼 20:24, 22 April 2024 (UTC)
There are some dependent clauses (strings of words that are cohesive semantic units but which do not stand on their own as sentences) which never take a following comma; these usually have "which" or "that" after them (in that role, technically a relative impersonal pronoun but acting semantically as a form of conjunction, though even linguists of English will debate about such definitions). E.g.: "I think that Jenny is too tired to go out"; note how "I think that, Jenny is too tired to go out" would be an error in all dialects (though it's actually a pretty common error among inexperienced writers). The "Jenny is too tired to go out" part is obviously an independent clause (can stand on its own as a sentence), and "I think that" is not a necessary fragment of it (like "It's" is in "It's raining now"), and it does not form a valid sentence on its own. [Well, not with the intended meaning. If I ask "Do you think this, or that?", perhaps pointing to two options on a chalkboard, you could grammatically answer "I think that", probably will stress on the final word, and purely a pronoun use of "that", without a conjunctive function.] So, it is necessarily a dependent clause (and an introductory one); it just happens to be in a form in which commas are not conventional (anywhere, ever). However, "I think Jenny is too tired to go out" is something different; it's two independent clauses ("I think" and "Jenny is too tired to go out" are both valid sentences); there, it's probably two loosely coordinated ind. clauses. [However, the relationship might depend on meaning/emphasis: "I think Jenny is too tired to go out", versus what you think about it, is a different sentiment, with the first part as the main clause, from "I think Jenny is too tired to go out", versus Andrew's energy level, and so on.] That/which/who[se] can also be used to form relative or adjectival clauses, and when/while/before/after/since/until/where/wherever/how/as/like/etc. can be used to form adverbial clauses, but we needn't get into that here.
PS: Some other one-word introductory dependent clauses that generally need commas (despite an example existing in this discussion without one) are "However," "Thus," "Ergo," and "So," (in the thus/ergo sense). If the comma is dropped, the meaning can markedly change: "However, my lost dog found his way home" is a sentence meaning that the dog found his way home and that this is being contrasted with a previous statement like "I accidentally left my dog at the park". But "However my lost dog found his way home" is a sentence fragment indicating "Through whatever means by which my dog found his way home ...". Likewise: "So, your cat won't be lonely" is a sentence meaning "Thus/ergo, your cat won't be lonely" following on some previous statement that purports to lead to this conclusion ("When cat-sitting for you, I'll come over for an entire hour every day"); meanwhile, "So your cat won't be lonely" is a fragment meaning "For the reason/purpose/goal of your cat not being lonely," after which would follow something related to this idea, like "I'll come over for an entire hour every day when cat-sitting for you." In both second cases, the phrases are introductory dependent clauses and should have commas: "However my lost dog found his way home, I'm so glad he's back." An argument can be made that the commas in introcuctory "Thus," and "Ergo," are not strictly necessary since such ambiguity is not usually available with those particular words (though "thus" has some nearly-obsolescent alternative uses like "place it thus", and common mid-clause usage like "... it is thus desirable to ..."). But as noted above, if the comma on an introductory dependent clause that typically takes a comma (i.e. doesn't end with "that" or "which") is omitted in one case "just because you can get away with it" in some particular contextual instance, this is likely to wrongly signal to someone that they should edit the material to strip out all of them "to be consistent", often with results that are directly detrimental to reader experience. It is better to just use them consistently in this kind of writing, both to give readers more clarity and consistency, and to prevent editorial actions that are at cross purposes to each other (or to one another, if you like that phrase better). In this project, we have to keep both numerous readers and numerous other writer-editors in mind, which I suppose is rather unusual. — SMcCandlish ☏ ¢ 😼 07:05, 23 April 2024 (UTC)
In this project, we have to keep both numerous readers and numerous other writer-editors in mind, which I suppose is rather unusual." And there's the rub, I guess, as they say in Denmark... Martinevans123 ( talk) 20:10, 24 April 2024 (UTC) p.s. I was thinking of moving on to semi-colons next....
commas are more art than science: Yes, that's the ultimate point I was making. It's artful to add them when they help, and when they form a pattern that overall is helpful (even if in one exact instance the difference might not matter), but not artful either to take a "kill 'em all" approach, or to inject them in constructions where nothing useful happens, as was so often the case in Vicitorian to early 20th-c. writing. I saw something in a 1910s book the other day that came off almosmt as bad as Martin's comma-after-every-word jokes. I don't recall the specifics, but it was along the lines of "Johnson, in his book, Title Here, wrote, of Smith, that his position, in favor of the first of these claims, was (McNabb's evidence, presented in Other Title Here, 1854, notwithstanding) no longer tenable, entirely." And the rest of the material was like that. It felt as if seeing the output of someone trying to write while suffering a series of small seizures. — SMcCandlish ☏ ¢ 😼 05:11, 25 April 2024 (UTC)
In 1823, she published a novel." What grammatical or other function does that comma serve? Martinevans123 ( talk) 08:48, 25 April 2024 (UTC)
I see you've reverted my edits. Can you provide any evidence that Andy, Owen etc are English despite the sources saying otherwise? DanielTokenhouse ( talk) 14:46, 25 April 2024 (UTC)
An aphorism tailor-made for Wikipedia editors? With or without the wiki quotation marks, one of his best, maybe even the best? Made No 6 on the US RnB chart and was only beaten, by "A Real Mother for Ya", some 15 years later, even without a solo. Just supremely wonderful. Martinevans123 ( talk) 19:48, 25 April 2024 (UTC)
Hi Martin, you've been mentioned at Wikipedia talk:Blocking policy#Use of user talk page while blocked, doesn't look like you were pinged. That is a spinoff from a now-closed discussion at WP:AARV here, don't know if you were aware of that one either. Thanks for the ping about Harry Dunn, but I have no memory of that discussion so don't think I'll be much help. Pawnkingthree ( talk) 11:23, 28 April 2024 (UTC)
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that Tessie O'Shea was born on Plantagenet Street, Riverside, Cardiff, a rather dodgy boulevard on which I myself once lived. The things one learns on here. KJP1 ( talk) 10:45, 8 October 2023 (UTC)
Hi Martin, any thoughts on Talk:Jimmy_Savile#The_Reckoning being broadcast on the moment? I'm not even going to start listing the minor inaccuracies because it is a TV drama, but the two mentioned here need to be addressed somewhere. ♦IanMacM♦ (talk to me) 15:36, 10 October 2023 (UTC)
Hello! Thanks for your with the National Trust 2022 pilot. Based on that work, the National Trust is supporting a second pilot, and some information is here WP:GLAM/National Trust. All the best Lajmmoore ( talk) 11:20, 22 October 2023 (UTC)
Hello old thing! How are you doing? I'm a bit Largely-Absent™ at the moment but was well chuffed, comme on dit, to see that you are back. Cheers, DBaK ( talk) 13:26, 29 October 2023 (UTC)
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I added some images from Aachen, taken 21 Oct. -- Gerda Arendt ( talk) 22:06, 3 November 2023 (UTC)
Your Day! A day to remember the victims of wars, and for me St. Martin's day, matched as short as I could in a 2010 DYK remembered, - so basically about sharing. -- Gerda Arendt ( talk) 11:08, 11 November 2023 (UTC)
I began another day of vacation pics, with the deepest blue of the sea ;) - we celebrate the birthday of a friend who wrote quite a book about the compositions of a man who will turn 300 soon. -- Gerda Arendt ( talk) 15:24, 14 November 2023 (UTC)
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It's a good job we can trust these Admin types. That's the last time I ever make a pilgrimage to take the grotto cure. Martinevans123 ( talk) 20:01, 8 November 2023 (UTC)
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Constructed very quickly, by a Mr R Sunak of Westminster, this charming period piece wins this week's glittering Restoration Award on The Slightly Repaired Shop. Martinevans123 ( talk) 18:48, 17 November 2023 (UTC)
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It's time for another entrant in our current round of unelected PMs, and as we've mentioned before, your CV fits the bill. You have exactly the right amount of hands-on governmental experience and glib self-assurance. We're slotting you in in mid-December, when everyone is distracted by the holidays, for a run of, well, maybe a year or so if past trends hold. England Expects That Every Man Will Do His Duty. Signed, Charles Rex
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So, Sections 4/5/6 down. I’ll take a look back at 1 next, where lots of work’s already been done. Then, 2, where less has moved, and finally the rather daunting 3, where b@gger all’s happened. There’ll be a slight hiatus coz I’m away again next week, and then we’ve the big move in early December. But by Christmas 2024 we’ll be clear! KJP1 ( talk) 12:13, 23 November 2023 (UTC)
Martin, Where I could use some help is with Medlar-with-Wesham. It's largely yours. Aside from reading like a Yellow Pages entry, and with a wealth of unsourced local colour; the "war memorial enjoys attractive floral displays throughout the year"!?WTF!?; it has two big bits on buildings, the Mowbreck Hall bit, and the whole section devoted to the workhouse. Neither is sourced, but both have the "ring" of having come from somewhere. "a fine edifice of red brick" / "faced with Accrington red-pressed bricks, and stone dressings". Any ideas as to where? What it really needs is a through copy edit/trim. KJP1 ( talk) 09:23, 24 November 2023 (UTC)
Another one is A la Ronde. I think you said you still had the guidebook. Swathes of it are uncited, and much of it reads like a "lift". Other stuff we think comes from the Searle blog - or did he copy from us? What it needs is a thorough trim, and a check against the guidebook to ensure that any close paraphrasing is eliminated. KJP1 ( talk) 10:14, 24 November 2023 (UTC)
A thought occurs, while I wait to go to the library to check the ODNB entry for Jane Parminter; there is a separate article about the cousins at Jane and Mary Parminter which more or less duplicates the history section. Would it be worthwhile merging the two articles while we are in the process of a relatively major edit? Murgatroyd49 ( talk) 13:14, 25 November 2023 (UTC)
Hi there. Just to let you know that the fountain is still there, or was the last time I looked. It's tucked away in the small open triangle - Seven Dials Close, behind Sainsbury's where Las Iguanas is situated. It was largely the opposite side of Saw Place that was redeveloped. Mighty Antar ( talk) 14:42, 25 November 2023 (UTC)
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One of his best, I think: "Scotch and Soul" (2006 Remaster), originally the title track for Scotch & Soul (1966): Rufus Harley – bagpipes, Oliver Collins – piano, James Glenn – bass, Billy Abner – drums, Robert Gosset – congas. Martinevans123 ( talk) 20:41, 28 November 2023 (UTC)
Now preparing for a major re-work of the Sun article, thanks to this recently discovered source. Thank you, Gary Larson! Martinevans123 ( talk) 20:36, 30 November 2023 (UTC)
Sadly insufficient secondary sources for an entry at List of cover versions of Led Zeppelin songs: alas. Martinevans123 ( talk) 22:24, 7 December 2023 (UTC)
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RIP Shane: [9]. from Rum Sodomy & the Lash (1985), vocal: Cait O'Riordan. Martinevans123 ( talk) 10:02, 8 December 2023 (UTC)
Hello there I reverted your addition of a Sunak quote at question time because history suggests this will just lead to some supporter of the Greek position adding a counter quote etc. I think we should avoid this article turning into a forum where editors engage in a running commentary on political squabbles about the marbles. I think the significant fact is that a scheduled meeting was cancelled due to comments about the marbles. The rights and wrongs of this and who said what to who and who was grandstanding (they probably both were) will be an endless debate. Happy to discuss. Aemilius Adolphin ( talk) 22:15, 29 November 2023 (UTC)
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Today's story is about Maria Callas, on her centenary. - Aaron Copland died OTD, and Jerome Kohl (mentioned in November) said something wise on Copland's talk, - yes, regarding a soft(er) stance towards infoboxes. -- Gerda Arendt ( talk) 16:50, 2 December 2023 (UTC)
Yes, I like it! - My story today is about Michael Robinson, - it's an honour to have known him. -- Gerda Arendt ( talk) 15:10, 13 December 2023 (UTC)
Pics up to 3 December (with my shadow in one of them), and a story about Beethoven in memory of his birth. When the arb who wrote the infoboxes case installed the community consensus - in 2015! - I hoped these infobox wars were over, really. - What do you think about writing The Sleeping Child (Chilcott) together? -- Gerda Arendt ( talk) 23:03, 16 December 2023 (UTC)
Hi Martinevans123, I apologized for myself putting the wrong category "comedian" for Lesley Joseph and thank you for your understanding for explanation about her. She's just a comic actress. Ernestine Sanchez ( talk) 14:35, 4 December 2023 (UTC)
Hello...thanks for the cited needed tag [11]; now met. That makes you a gentleman in my mind - its always good when tage are added to specific claims rather than, euf, leaving an overbearing and large template at the top. Ceoil ( talk) 00:28, 6 December 2023 (UTC)
Observations on Brexit, on BBC's Question Time (2018) and performing "Money" in Newcastle in 1991 Martinevans123 ( talk) 22:26, 8 December 2023 (UTC)
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Hello @ Martinevans123, on article Douglas Murray (author), in the lede section third para contains info about his admirers and critics. So when I included a brief line "He has been accused of being Islamophobic by academics and journalists." with WP:RS sources since it was WP:Notable, another editor removed it. I was thinking maybe you could provide your input if it escalates to edit-war. 182.183.58.243 ( talk) 23:46, 13 December 2023 (UTC)
/info/en/?search=Talk:Murder_of_David_Amess#Should_this_article_reflect_trial_accounts_of_the_attack/Ali’s_behaviour? I have added talk discussion on my edit. 92.17.199.182 ( talk) 13:12, 15 December 2023 (UTC)
I know it has been months, but I don't feel like doing it but feels that if anyone thinks that the revision I made could be used for any revisions in the future, albeit with better written paragraphs or if they are worth expanding, please feel free to do so, I had long added "further explanation needed" in the last paragraph of the "attack" section; as I am a resident of Southend, I feel that this is better suited to users here, especially as I sadly never knew Amess' name before he died (I guess politics is not my thing and I have autism); regardless of what he was like or what controversies he may have had in life, what happened to him is a terribly sad story. I feel for how much he must have suffered, and certainly for his wife and children. It also helps people to remember there are real families involved, that the man was a people’s relative, their blood, and not just names for amateur sleuths to fuss over. As I mentioned before, I just didn't want to stir up any more pain and trouble for the Amess family." 92.17.198.220 ( talk) 15:25, 8 April 2024 (UTC)
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Thank you so much for the lovely and colourful message! All the best to you and yours DBaK ( talk) 19:35, 20 December 2023 (UTC)
Thanks, Martin Happy Christmas to you too.
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I do confess to watching this video again this morning, and so I can't really justify editing Jacob Rees-Mogg as I'm concerned my POV might get in the way; anyway, I think the talk page discussion is worth having. Ritchie333 (talk) (cont) 14:18, 21 December 2023 (UTC)
It's good knowing you're back!! Atsme 💬 📧 14:15, 22 December 2023 (UTC)
Is this the best Christmas song, or what? ♦IanMacM♦ (talk to me) 10:39, 25 December 2023 (UTC)
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RIP Tony Oxley: Taunton 1991. Martinevans123 ( talk) 10:42, 27 December 2023 (UTC)
Rather than remove innocuous unsourced content and the resulting category, isn't it more constructive to do a quick search for sources? South African Coconut ice was easy to source. Pam D 07:00, 28 December 2023 (UTC)
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Like 2019, remember? -- Gerda Arendt ( talk) 22:36, 1 January 2024 (UTC)
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Thank you for memories! I remember Ewa Podleś on the Main page, and have - believe it or not - two musical DYK. Shalom chaverim. On vacation, with something for your sweet tooth -- Gerda Arendt ( talk) 09:35, 25 January 2024 (UTC)
On 9 January 2024, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article Ryland Davies, which you recently created, substantially expanded, or brought to good article status. The fact was ... that a 1974 recording of Mozart's Così fan tutte with Ryland Davies as Ferrando was used in a 1995 film by the Salzburg Marionette Theatre? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Ryland Davies. You are welcome to check how many pageviews the nominated article or articles got while on the front page ( here's how, Ryland Davies), and the hook may be added to the statistics page after its run on the Main Page has completed. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.
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Thank you for your last message at Talk:Paula Vennells. I don't know what it is about that article, but it seems to cause an editorial dispute at every turn (not all involving you, I do acknowledge)!
I do feel as though we've got off on the wrong foot, which is a shame as I believe we edit some of the same topics and so should be Wiki-friends (or at least Wiki-acquaintances). For example, I can see you've been involved with listed buildings in Gwynedd and I've recently brought Criccieth Castle and Dolwyddelan Castle up to GA status. I hope that if we bump into each other again we can make a better go of it. All the best, A.D.Hope ( talk) 13:51, 19 January 2024 (UTC)
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"Dat" (1976): "Rasta Ozzy from up the hill, Decide to check on him grocery bill..." Opal Records: PAL 5 Martinevans123 ( talk) 19:18, 19 January 2024 (UTC)
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"Follow the sources" is the default, but is a convention not a firm rule. In articles on UK railways, for example, the current consensus is to use imperial, despite the fact that railway engineering in Britain has been done exclusively in metric since 1975. So the disp=flip
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So the choice also depends on existing use in the article concerned, hence the MOS:RETAIN reference. 𝕁𝕄𝔽 ( talk) 15:28, 20 January 2024 (UTC)
Laurie Johnson MBE (7 February 1927 – 16 January 2024) - composer of the theme for The Avengers (1965) and many, many more. Martinevans123 ( talk) 14:37, 23 January 2024 (UTC)
Melanie Anne Safka-Schekeryk (February 3, 1947 – January 23, 2024): "Brand New Key". Martinevans123 ( talk) 22:29, 24 January 2024 (UTC)
Sorry about reverting your edit, I'm tryng to keep the image close to the relevant text. It actually worked better before a previous editor removed half of the explanation. Murgatroyd49 ( talk) 12:17, 28 January 2024 (UTC)
Apparenlty Big Brother. Slatersteven ( talk) 15:03, 29 January 2024 (UTC)
I'm just making a heavy-handed point to a new editor. Anna ( talk) 15:22, 29 January 2024 (UTC)
Hi, just clarifying. Per MOS:BIRTHPLACE birth/death places are not put in the brackets with dates. Birth and death places, if known, should be mentioned in the body of the article, and can appear in the lead if relevant to notability, but not in the opening brackets alongside the birth and death dates. Executive zombie ( talk) 15:29, 29 January 2024 (UTC)
over a packet of fags. I'm surprised that, by 2012, they could get away with heralding a packet of cigarettes as representing "20 years of quality"! ...lights another Malboro Gold and returns to task at hand. KJP1 ( talk) 09:34, 30 January 2024 (UTC)
"A good smoke at a fair price" (i.e. your lungs).... "No, you don't see many wild stallions any more." Martinevans123 ( talk) 09:41, 30 January 2024 (UTC)
Martin - have to break off, as we're out to lunch. I need a way to make multiple references to the Stansfield article, but with different page numbers in each. I don't really want the article to appear multiple times in the Refs. I could do it if we were sfn, but we're not. Any ideas? KJP1 ( talk) 11:51, 30 January 2024 (UTC)
Your edit here, Lady Park Wood National Nature Reserve, inspired me to create the above. I used to love running across that swingy bridge as a kid! KJP1 ( talk) 10:30, 31 January 2024 (UTC)
While following the recent news, I wonder if the Earhart article could use some clearing up to simplify the length or descriptions of events. The description of the main image is superfluous, saying "Earhart beneath the nose of her Lockheed Model 10-E Electra, March 1937 in Oakland, California, before departing on her final round-the-world attempt prior to her disappearance"; the words "before departing on her final round-the-world attempt prior to her disappearance" could be omitted as it would be very clear when the photo was taken and doesn't necessary relate to the vanishing as that was months away. The words "It is generally presumed that she and Noonan died somewhere in the Pacific during the circumnavigation, just three weeks prior to her fortieth birthday" are an odd placement to me, as in the event any of the theories (crash and sink or Gardner island castaway) are ever confirmed, it could be misleading, particularly if for the sake of argument, it is the castaway theory that is confirmed, it possible she would have lived to have seen her 40th birthday, if she had survived on Gardner for some time before perishing. Speaking of which, there is a possible article that could be used for the recent sonar discovery in which David Jourdan (himself a crash and sink theorist) cautions, "It is impossible to identify anything from a sonar image alone as sound can be tricky and the artifact could be damaged in unpredictable ways altering its shape. For that reason, you can never say that something is (or isn’t) from a sonar image alone, [1]~~ 92.17.199.182 ( talk) 22:17, 31 January 2024 (UTC)
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I have taken my above paragraph to the Earhart talk page. It appears there is a discussion to split the article regarding the "vanishing" section. ~~ 92.17.199.182 ( talk) 17:07, 3 February 2024 (UTC)
Phew, what an album.... "with songs that stick close to a vision of darkness, gloom, and noise." No-one else can really play like Thompson. He just seems to get better and better. "Her Love Was Meant for Me". Martinevans123 ( talk) 20:23, 4 February 2024 (UTC)
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My calendar story today is about Michael Herrmann celebrating his birthday. -- Gerda Arendt ( talk) 23:17, 4 February 2024 (UTC)
Today I am happy about a singer on the Main page (at least for the first hours), after TFA the same day last year. -- Gerda Arendt ( talk) 15:32, 7 February 2024 (UTC)
Now, look where your seeking to engage with that tin-foil hatter on the Paula Vennels talkpage has got us to. They are now leaving Banning Notices on my Talkpage! Have you sorted your maths yet? KJP1 ( talk) 12:53, 9 February 2024 (UTC)
I like it when folks swing their elbows widely. Thanks! BusterD ( talk) 13:35, 9 February 2024 (UTC)
Whaaat? [22] Ceoil ( talk) 14:11, 11 February 2024 (UTC)
Damo Suzuki (16 January 1950 – 9 February 2024): "Spoon" (1971). Martinevans123 ( talk) 20:16, 11 February 2024 (UTC)
Second-Largest refracting tele. Fact check lens size of Swedish 1-m Solar Tele —which is larger. Classact1000 ( talk) 19:04, 12 February 2024 (UTC)
You can do these yourself, you know! KJP1 ( talk) 08:35, 16 February 2024 (UTC)
My present health state, and age (probably more the latter), means that I struggle to concentrate on matters for more than a few minutes. I wonder if you might have some interest in this outfit - if so, there has been a new, single purpose editor cutting a swathe through the article with editing comments such as "actual details incorrect and members incorrect . Incorrect place band formed , incorrect details how gee street was started incorrect description of band members".
I have not the time to investigate all those 'incorrect' amendments, but I did look long enough at Martin Strong's publication to note that he states the band formed in Clapham, not Brixton. Needless to say the editor does not supply any reference(s) to back up his claims. If you have the time and inclination, of course. Thanks - Derek R Bullamore ( talk) 15:42, 17 February 2024 (UTC)
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Please examine the up-to-date information I have referenced in the talk page for the 737 MAX. It is factually incorrect in 2024 to imply that the Ethiopian and Indonesian crashes were purely caused by MCAS. Leaving out information that was discovered in the crash investigations and court cases does a disservice to readers. 2603:6080:5A07:C24C:2826:EC6A:8140:2117 ( talk) 14:56, 19 February 2024 (UTC)
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Hi @ Martinevans123!
You recently restored chunks of a previous version of Martin Heidegger with the edit description "unexplained removal of sourced content". If you look back through the edit history, however, I think you will find that these are mostly my edits, and that I provided fairly detailed descriptions of non-trivial changes that I made as I proceeded piecemeal through the article (which is how I prefer to edit—in the interest of transparency and so that other editors can revert more selectively where they might disagree). At the same time, I was also active on the talk page with respect to any more general issues that other editors might wish to raise. It's always possible I made some bad calls, but I didn't just delete blocks of content without justification.
In view of this, would you kindly consider self-reverting? And to make your desired changes in a manner that is likewise easier to track? I don't have any strong vision for the article, and I think you'll find me a fairly easy-going collaborator if you intend to do more work on it (and it definitely does still need work—esp. post-BT!) I just find it hard to track what's being changed when so many changes are being made together in a single edit.
Cheers, Patrick J. Welsh ( talk) 00:38, 21 February 2024 (UTC)
Hi, can you please explain why you removed important citation confirming 59 MPs have signed no confidence EDM in the lead? Please consider reinstating urgently. Thanks "The lead must conform to verifiability, biographies of living persons, and other policies. The verifiability policy states that all quotations, and any material whose verifiability has been challenged or is likely to be challenged, must include an inline citation to a reliable source that directly supports it." https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/lindsay-hoyle-commons-gaza-ceasefire-vote-latest-b2500595.html Jaymailsays ( talk) 14:38, 22 February 2024 (UTC)
For this and this. ♦IanMacM♦ (talk to me) 07:21, 1 March 2024 (UTC)
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I don't know, given your helpful work on the various Savile articles, if you have done anything on the Lord Lucan case, but in light of a recent article that notes a new possibility that the wife may have been overlooked as a suspect, I wonder if you know how I should have phrased the paragraph about it, or how the article should reflect her version of events, which has generally been accepted as fact. I hasten to add I am not casting aspersions on the late Lady Lucan's character.~~ 80.43.251.32 ( talk) 20:43, 3 March 2024 (UTC)
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Feel entirely free to add to this, extolling the superior quality of the arable land! The difficult bit is finding specifically Monmouthshire sources. Since the growth of Newport, both east and west, that tends to dominate, e.g. Newport Wetlands. I suspect it will also be a difficulty when describing the wildlife under Biodiversity. KJP1 ( talk) 10:49, 9 March 2024 (UTC)
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too busy responding hereat the time you made the revert at 22:40, as the warning and this discussion didn't start until 3 minutes later. At 22:40, you could have started a discussion either on the article talk page, or my talk page, but you didn't. You chose to restore a copyright violation.
So it's a "double CTOP article"?Yes, as can be seen in the talk page banners on Talk:Murder of Brianna Ghey, the article is covered by both WP:GENSEX and WP:BLP. Sideswipe9th ( talk) 23:33, 11 March 2024 (UTC)
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RIP Eric Carmen (August 11, 1949 – March 2024). "Overnight Sensation (Hit Record)" (lead guitar: Wally Bryson). "I don't need no reputation And I'm not in it for the show" Martinevans123 ( talk) 22:00, 12 March 2024 (UTC) p.s. [25]
Hello! I see that you edited Punch Bowl Inn on 5 March to say "It was demolished in June 2021 with the required planning permission...", and to my understanding that's the very opposite of what happened. I just wanted to check before I edit this - was this a simple typo (easily done!), or have I misunderstood the situation here (also easily done!)? Thanks, CLW ( talk) 08:46, 15 March 2024 (UTC)
RIP Stephen Malcolm Ronald Nice (27 February 1951 – 17 March 2024): "Judy Teen" (1974). Martinevans123 ( talk) 12:03, 17 March 2024 (UTC)
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Happy 75th Birthday, Richard Thompson! [27] Martinevans123 ( talk) 20:41, 3 April 2024 (UTC) oops!
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Adding the year to any date causes no harm, improves clarity, and is suggested by various Wikipedia guidelines, including WP:DATE. And I'm sure you know what "assume" means. Would you please consider undoing your revert. The Wikipedia Community thanks you. Truthanado ( talk) 17:44, 26 March 2024 (UTC)
Dali had previously travelled from Panama to the U.S., arriving in New York on March 19, 2024, ..." what other years could the following two dates possibly refer to? I think your argument is wholly ridiculous. If you don't wish to revert, by all means raise this at the Talk page and get other opinions. (But thanks so much for asking). Martinevans123 ( talk) 18:11, 26 March 2024 (UTC)
As of March 26, it was being chartered by Maersk" might be better written as: "
On the day of the accident, it was being chartered by Maersk"? Thanks. Martinevans123 ( talk) 18:26, 26 March 2024 (UTC)
How long have you been waiting for this opportunity? MIDI ( talk) 20:25, 26 March 2024 (UTC)
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RIP Gerry Conway (11 September 1947 – 29 March 2024). The first time I heard him play was on the title track of the 1973 Fairport album Rosie. Still have my copy of the Island single. Saw him play at Cropredy many times. [30] Martinevans123 ( talk) 20:41, 30 March 2024 (UTC)
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Thank you for support for Copland, and please keep watching. I think the key to the revert may be found on Vivaldi. - A few more pics, now from back home -- Gerda Arendt ( talk) 20:31, 3 April 2024 (UTC)
Couldn't decide ... -- Gerda Arendt ( talk) 21:47, 4 April 2024 (UTC)
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At least that is what the United States says. They own Park Place and Boardwalk. Maybe we can add more information to it? Awesome Aasim 23:53, 3 April 2024 (UTC)
I've removed content from Gerry Conway that was a blatant paraphrase of this bio. You might want to demonstrate that you're learning what is acceptable paraphrasing by cleaning up Poor Murdered Woman as well. Der Wohltemperierte Fuchs talk 21:30, 8 April 2024 (UTC)
Martin Carthy sang Poor Murdered Woman on his 1968 album with Dave Swarbrick, But Two Came By, and reissued on the compilation albums This Is... Martin Carthy and A Collection. Martin Carthy commented in his original album's sleeve notes:"
* 1968, Martin Carthy (guitar, vocal) and Dave Swarbrick (mandolin), But Two Came By, Topic Records. It also appears on the compilation albums: This Is... Martin Carthy (1971), A Collection (1999), and Essential (2011). Carthy comments in the original album's sleeve notes:"
Carthy comments in the liner notes for his 1968 album:", although that does repeat the year.
On Tuesday 14 January 1834, the events related in the story were reported in The Times." Martinevans123 ( talk) 09:10, 12 April 2024 (UTC)
Looks like we disagree on something. I understand your point about this event occurring 11 years ago but I feel like when we state, "At the time", that makes the reader think that it no longer is a reliable aircraft. Maybe instead of saying, "At the time, the Boeing 777 had a good reputation for safety", we can rephrase it to, "The safety record of the Boeing 777 was favorable then and continues to be so". Eliminating the sentence completely might also be a way to end this conflict. CreatorOfMinecraftHerobrine ( talk) 20:10, 15 April 2024 (UTC)
I wonder if the articles should now treat OJ Simpson "officially" as the killer of Goldman and Brown, going by the overwhelming consensus of reliable sources in serious, in-depth scholarship and journalism. I have raised the discussion on Simpson's talk page. 92.17.198.220 ( talk) 20:32, 15 April 2024 (UTC)
I just presumed that you would know about it a lot, particularly as it is a controversial case and a huge crime one. If you don't, I am sorry. It is just that you were so helpful with the Savile discussions that I thought you could be able to help in some way. Sorry about confusion. 92.17.198.220 ( talk) — Preceding undated comment added 20:41, 15 April 2024 (UTC)
I am probably over fussy on this point, but I wouldn't consider this "tweak" [37] to meet the very strict criteria at WP:MINOR. Regards, Jonathan A Jones ( talk) 14:33, 17 April 2024 (UTC)
Hello Martin! Yes,
quite. Is this documented somewhere? It is driving me redacteding nuts where people who were excellently taught in high school, and I am not being sarcastic there, get on a mission to "correct" stuff in BrE which I believe does not need correcting. I see it so much; it's fine in AmE, sure; it seems to me to be a redacteding horrible overcorrection in BrE. Is it a known and recognized issue? It's a bit like the "that and which" thing which I think is another one where the rules are not the same across the Atlantic.
Or, another option ... I am simply wrong! Wouldn't be the first time. Will not be the last time. Helppppp! DBaK ( talk) 17:18, 22 April 2024 (UTC)
Commas really are not a MOS:ENGVAR matter." I'm still quite confused. (No change, there, then). AAAAARRRRRGGGGHHHH!!! etc. Martinevans123 ( talk) 17:31, 22 April 2024 (UTC)
If one is approaching WP from an "I want to delete every single comma I can possibly get away with removing", then one is not approaching encyclopedic writing with the most appropriate mindset. (Same goes if one's approach is "I want to write as traditionally [insert country adjective here] as possible, according to my perception." MoS's worst disrupter of all time was one of those, though an American-supremacist in that case.) The sensible goal of encyclopedic writing is communicating as effectively as possible to the largest audience (and WP really has the broadest audience in history). We simply don't have a goal of getting maximum possible concision at all costs ( WP:NOT#PAPER is also relevant in that regard, and frequently cited against attempts to force unnecessary and unhelpful concision/compression/abbreviation/omission of various kinds). The WP:Use common sense approach is to include any comma by which immediate comprehensibility is improved, even if only slightly and even if only for a subset of readers. It is always going to be the case that encyclopedic writing has more commas in it – still, even after one or another of you denudes it of commas that you don't prefer – than some subset of our readers would like to see. This is a given, since various of the youngest more-or-less-adult users of our language would prefer none at all; their terrible writing can be seen all over social media, usually also missing apostrophes and other punctuation as well as capital letter. The use of a comma after introductory phrases is simply clearer formal writing (instead of marketing or, increasingly, news-style hyper-compression). The sort of writing that drops commas like mad is designed for two things: to be output as fast as possible (to meet news deadlines or for speed of e-content firehosing), and to be as skimmable for keywords as efficently as possible (a goal of advertising, social-media posting, and most journalism, since such material is rapidly eye-scanned by most readers, only for a few seconds, and not read in any detail unless something very firmly grabs someone's attention). Many fiction writers (regardless of nationality) also drop a lot of commas, the more so the more they are trying to ecapsulate casual and contemporary spoken English in their dialogue writing; and of course fiction is also generally read at a fast rate. Encyclopedic material is usually read in some detail and requires more mental parsing (even if we now have user-study proof that readers will navigate to sections of interest rather than read whole articles top-to-bottom in most cases). We take pains to be precise and clear, down to any possibility of misleading nuance or incorrect inference, or even just clumsy structure that forces some readers to struggle to parse it.
It has nothing to do with Americans or North Americans in particular [I learned to read and write in Oxfordshire, as an anecdotal aside], and dropping of the comma you don't like is frequent in American advertising and American newswriting, just as such omission is found in the same sorts of material in the UK and elsewhere. The retention of that comma makes for clearer parsing (by all readers, the more so the more complex or potentially ambiguous the construction), which is why it is more often retained in academic writing regardless of country (though over 100,000 academic journals in publication today, it is not difficult to find some academic material that leans toward journalism levels of comma dropping). Maybe more to the real point here, the presence of a comma in "According to Smith, [claim here]" or "In March 2017, Jones [did whatever]" or "Leaving Alexandria, McNabb moved to [wherever]" is understood by 100% of English readers and there is no dialect in which they are an error. That is, it confuses no one, is mis-parsed by no one, has demonstrable benefits for some (many, actually), and has no cost other than a tiny glyph. Without those commas, the third is easily misparsed as a woman's name "Alexandria McNabb", and the first could easily have a similar effect depending on what came after "Smith" (e.g. "According to Smith Taylor & Francis [did something]"). While the middle example isn't likely subject to such "I had to go back and re-read this sentence again to make any sense of it" problems, the same construction should be used consistently (especially since dropping the comma in one case is apt to confuse various well-meaning people into going on a deletion rampage to enforce a much less helpful consistency in the opposite direction.
Misc. side points: Comma usage also varies noticeably across time, with far more commas (often downright weird ones that serve no apparent purpose) being used typically in Victorian to c. 1920s writing than later, and somewhat fewer used today than around maybe the 1970s. But there is a limit to which commas can be excised without significantly sacrificing clarity, especially to readers who are not 100% fluent (and an argument can be made that this limit was already reached in typical academic writing by around the 1990s at the latest; material from that era reads exactly the same as papers published today, but material from a generation or so earlier is quite different in various ways, and a generation back further it's downright ponderous and often pompous). PS: In my quite frequent reading of 19th-century source material, I find that the former excessive use of commas, of the sort Martin exaggerates above for humour, actually was prevalent more in British than American works of that era. It's also notable that the serial comma (a different comma that some people don't like, and about which people make incorrect ENGVAR claims all the time, and contradictory ones) is nicknamed both Oxford comma and Harvard comma, because it's not particular to either national dialect but to an academic register. I think much of what is going on here, as with some British editors' attempts to get WP to use "eg" and "ie", is an incorrect belief that what they see in various British newspapers, the ones with a style of typographic hyper-compression, is "British style" when it is actually the style of a few British news publishers, and is actually contrary to the advice in major British style guides, which lean more toward academic English, as does the American Chicago Manual of Style. However, this has gotten a bit muddled with the increasingly excoriated Waddingham edition of New Hart's Rules and Butterfield edition of Fowler's Modern English Usage, both of which injected a bunch of "let chaos reign" excessive descriptivism, often failing to actually be style guides at all, by declining in many cases to recommend anything specific any longer when presented with conflicting usages attestable in various recent-ish British publcations, but without regard to publication type/register/genre/audience, or quality/reputation, or editorial control level (which matters more and more with every passing year with the "internetification" of news leading to more direct pushing of content straight from journalists, often foreign contractors, direct to news websites with less and less any editorial supervision, and what little of it remains devoted almost entirely to avoiding factual blunders not to enforcing style; this is why the typo rate in even the most high-profiles newspapers/sites has shot up by an order of magnitude in the last decade or so). These mid-2010s versions of those "style guides" are engaging in a form of false equivalence, treating every occurrence of every variation as if equally preferable/utilitarian. But since those crap volumes came out (and MoS is not based on them in any way, but on the previous 2000s editions), there has been a notable uptick in attempts to get WP to write like UK news writing in particular, in a number of ways, based on untenable ENGVAR claims. It's much like claiming that the often stylistically weird writing of The New York Times and The New Yorker "is" American English, when in reality it's nothing but similar in-house style preferences of two particular commerical entities (in large part for "brand identity" reasons), which don't even have entirely American ownership, staffing or readership. That's all (substituting in the word "British") usually true today of the major UK-headquartered news publishers. PS: I find it curious that DBaK above is complaining about supposedly un-British writing yet used "recognized" with a "z". If that's a deliberate choice to use (or a habit of using) Oxford spelling, then the same preferences would also imply acceptance of both the serial comma and the comma after introductory clauses, since they're also favoured by OUP. — SMcCandlish ☏ ¢ 😼 20:24, 22 April 2024 (UTC)
There are some dependent clauses (strings of words that are cohesive semantic units but which do not stand on their own as sentences) which never take a following comma; these usually have "which" or "that" after them (in that role, technically a relative impersonal pronoun but acting semantically as a form of conjunction, though even linguists of English will debate about such definitions). E.g.: "I think that Jenny is too tired to go out"; note how "I think that, Jenny is too tired to go out" would be an error in all dialects (though it's actually a pretty common error among inexperienced writers). The "Jenny is too tired to go out" part is obviously an independent clause (can stand on its own as a sentence), and "I think that" is not a necessary fragment of it (like "It's" is in "It's raining now"), and it does not form a valid sentence on its own. [Well, not with the intended meaning. If I ask "Do you think this, or that?", perhaps pointing to two options on a chalkboard, you could grammatically answer "I think that", probably will stress on the final word, and purely a pronoun use of "that", without a conjunctive function.] So, it is necessarily a dependent clause (and an introductory one); it just happens to be in a form in which commas are not conventional (anywhere, ever). However, "I think Jenny is too tired to go out" is something different; it's two independent clauses ("I think" and "Jenny is too tired to go out" are both valid sentences); there, it's probably two loosely coordinated ind. clauses. [However, the relationship might depend on meaning/emphasis: "I think Jenny is too tired to go out", versus what you think about it, is a different sentiment, with the first part as the main clause, from "I think Jenny is too tired to go out", versus Andrew's energy level, and so on.] That/which/who[se] can also be used to form relative or adjectival clauses, and when/while/before/after/since/until/where/wherever/how/as/like/etc. can be used to form adverbial clauses, but we needn't get into that here.
PS: Some other one-word introductory dependent clauses that generally need commas (despite an example existing in this discussion without one) are "However," "Thus," "Ergo," and "So," (in the thus/ergo sense). If the comma is dropped, the meaning can markedly change: "However, my lost dog found his way home" is a sentence meaning that the dog found his way home and that this is being contrasted with a previous statement like "I accidentally left my dog at the park". But "However my lost dog found his way home" is a sentence fragment indicating "Through whatever means by which my dog found his way home ...". Likewise: "So, your cat won't be lonely" is a sentence meaning "Thus/ergo, your cat won't be lonely" following on some previous statement that purports to lead to this conclusion ("When cat-sitting for you, I'll come over for an entire hour every day"); meanwhile, "So your cat won't be lonely" is a fragment meaning "For the reason/purpose/goal of your cat not being lonely," after which would follow something related to this idea, like "I'll come over for an entire hour every day when cat-sitting for you." In both second cases, the phrases are introductory dependent clauses and should have commas: "However my lost dog found his way home, I'm so glad he's back." An argument can be made that the commas in introcuctory "Thus," and "Ergo," are not strictly necessary since such ambiguity is not usually available with those particular words (though "thus" has some nearly-obsolescent alternative uses like "place it thus", and common mid-clause usage like "... it is thus desirable to ..."). But as noted above, if the comma on an introductory dependent clause that typically takes a comma (i.e. doesn't end with "that" or "which") is omitted in one case "just because you can get away with it" in some particular contextual instance, this is likely to wrongly signal to someone that they should edit the material to strip out all of them "to be consistent", often with results that are directly detrimental to reader experience. It is better to just use them consistently in this kind of writing, both to give readers more clarity and consistency, and to prevent editorial actions that are at cross purposes to each other (or to one another, if you like that phrase better). In this project, we have to keep both numerous readers and numerous other writer-editors in mind, which I suppose is rather unusual. — SMcCandlish ☏ ¢ 😼 07:05, 23 April 2024 (UTC)
In this project, we have to keep both numerous readers and numerous other writer-editors in mind, which I suppose is rather unusual." And there's the rub, I guess, as they say in Denmark... Martinevans123 ( talk) 20:10, 24 April 2024 (UTC) p.s. I was thinking of moving on to semi-colons next....
commas are more art than science: Yes, that's the ultimate point I was making. It's artful to add them when they help, and when they form a pattern that overall is helpful (even if in one exact instance the difference might not matter), but not artful either to take a "kill 'em all" approach, or to inject them in constructions where nothing useful happens, as was so often the case in Vicitorian to early 20th-c. writing. I saw something in a 1910s book the other day that came off almosmt as bad as Martin's comma-after-every-word jokes. I don't recall the specifics, but it was along the lines of "Johnson, in his book, Title Here, wrote, of Smith, that his position, in favor of the first of these claims, was (McNabb's evidence, presented in Other Title Here, 1854, notwithstanding) no longer tenable, entirely." And the rest of the material was like that. It felt as if seeing the output of someone trying to write while suffering a series of small seizures. — SMcCandlish ☏ ¢ 😼 05:11, 25 April 2024 (UTC)
In 1823, she published a novel." What grammatical or other function does that comma serve? Martinevans123 ( talk) 08:48, 25 April 2024 (UTC)
I see you've reverted my edits. Can you provide any evidence that Andy, Owen etc are English despite the sources saying otherwise? DanielTokenhouse ( talk) 14:46, 25 April 2024 (UTC)
An aphorism tailor-made for Wikipedia editors? With or without the wiki quotation marks, one of his best, maybe even the best? Made No 6 on the US RnB chart and was only beaten, by "A Real Mother for Ya", some 15 years later, even without a solo. Just supremely wonderful. Martinevans123 ( talk) 19:48, 25 April 2024 (UTC)
Hi Martin, you've been mentioned at Wikipedia talk:Blocking policy#Use of user talk page while blocked, doesn't look like you were pinged. That is a spinoff from a now-closed discussion at WP:AARV here, don't know if you were aware of that one either. Thanks for the ping about Harry Dunn, but I have no memory of that discussion so don't think I'll be much help. Pawnkingthree ( talk) 11:23, 28 April 2024 (UTC)