"Arial" is a commercial font which is only available on a limited range of systems, so what you did is probably not as helpful as you thought it would be... AnonMoos ( talk) 16:18, 7 March 2020 (UTC)
it seems likely not everyone was seeing that, or it would be fixed already, and the people who see the same error seem more likely to also be windows users, or have the same glitchy font that comes ahead of Arial in the queue? Irtapil ( talk) 18:25, 7 March 2020 (UTC)
the lang-ar had a less streaky option Arabic: ﷽, but it was illegibly small, in a table you can increase font size, but in line with text that's not a winner. {{script|Arab|﷽}} ﷽ gives the same error. Irtapil ( talk) 18:36, 7 March 2020 (UTC) /info/en/?search=Template:Script/Arabic "Amiri (appears feathery on Windows; errors with combining shadda with kasra and in Rohingya [1])" ﷽ {{font|font=amiri|﷽}} that font looks fine in other programs, just goes weird for that character in chrome.
i'm still not sure what you mean by "not as helpful as you thought it would be" ... how helpg=ful did you think i thought it'd be? Irtapil ( talk) 19:06, 7 March 2020 (UTC)
@ AnonMoos: what would your idealised solution be then? do you actually have a better idea or are you just complaining that my quick fix for a small problem isn't perfect?
As far as i gather the effect of forcing Arial font displays Arial if it is present then if it's not installed it goes back to whatever it would have displayed without that setting? so it possibly helps a lot of viewers, and has no effect for others? The "feathering" mention on the help page sounds like it is likely to be just a windows thing, and Arial comes with windows, so it likely solved it for everyone who has the problem.
The problem seemed likely to be restricted to that particular obscure character, a generalised solution (e.g. editing the template font list) would likely create WAY more problems than it solved.
i could work out the offending font - Amiri - and uninstall it from my own computer, but that solves it for only ONE user, and Amiri displays other characters fine, without streaking into the toolbars.
what proportion of users would actually not have Arial? i do wonder if some people might have Arial without the full character set? but if they don't have the Arabic characters from Arial the chances of them having a specific Arabic font are even lower.
you say Arial only works for some people, but is there any stable and extensive Arabic font they are more likely to have installed? i didn't just pick the most common font in general, i picked the font with the most extensive Arabic charachar set, out of the fonts likely to be installed on an English speakers computer. the SIL fonts would work too, but they are way less common than Arial. do you actually have a better idea? if you want to add a list of all of the fonts other than Amiri to the formatting on that one character, just go do it rather than complaining that i didn't. i even worked out which don't was causing the problem, if you want to add a solution for the tiny proportion of people who don't have serial, just go do it. but they likely weren't even getting the same glitch, so it's a bit pointless.
Irtapil ( talk) 01:43, 8 March 2020 (UTC)
old {{script|Arab|﷽}} ﷽
new {{font|font=arial|{{lang|ar|﷽}}}} ﷽
no lang tag {{font|font=arial|﷽}}}} ﷽
no lang tag amiri {{font|font=amiri|﷽}}}} ﷽
Irtapil ( talk) 02:20, 8 March 2020 (UTC)
those all display identically on my android, so, the solution does nothing, but there was also no problem to solve. if you want a solution that applies to people who do not have the problem, then that's a fairly eccentric approach...
if you actually do have a better idea i am keen to hear it. i often use arial because pages use have obscure characters, and some fonts will have these but not connect them properly, so they look completely different. i add the appropriate lang tag lang|ar or lang|ur etc. as well and as far as i know, this means that if the user is one of the 1% of internet users who do not have Arial installed or will default back to the fonts associated with that lang tag. so, if you have a better solution please do share. i could add additional fonts, but most of what i would add is already attached to those Lang tags, so that's a bit pointless. Irtapil ( talk) 02:33, 8 March 2020 (UTC)
"Also probably many mobile systems, to start with... AnonMoos (talk) 20:30, 7 March 2020 (UTC)" well the solution does nothing, see above, but they also don't have the problem. Irtapil ( talk) 02:35, 8 March 2020 (UTC)
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is this the right way to do a list of fonts for characters that aren't displaying properly in the default? Arabic: ◌ٔ {{lang-ar|{{font|font=tahoma,amiri,arial|size=175%| ◌ٔ }}}} Irtapil ( talk) 08:28, 20 March 2020 (UTC)
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what's going on here? i moved the table to another page (my user page) and it didn't keep doing it.
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Hi,
While working on article Islamic advice literature I realized that word 'Qisas' is appearing in different meaning at Qisas Al-Anbiya it comes as story/anecdote telling (alternative spelling Kissa). And in article named Qisas seems to come as revenge. Need support in creating proper disambiguation page and links so reader do not end up in unexpected pages.
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@ Nehme1499 and HitomiAkane: This refers partly to a topic from User_talk:HitomiAkane/Archive_1, but it seemed more appropriate to put it on my own talk page? You were talking about some inaccurate transliterations in arz: and i think I've possibly found another, but i know hardly any Arabic so i don't know weather it actually is inaccurate. This looks like a problem, but i'm way out of my depth, so tagging @ Nehme1499: who spotted a similar problem and seemed to come up with a decent plan to repair it. There are a huge number of articles in arz.wikipedia.org that use the Arabic spelling Arabic: ايسلاند for the English word "island" in the title, or the body. All of these pages (or at least the dozen or so i checked) had the same author arz:مستخدم:HitomiAkane and no other human editors. This struck me as weird, because that is one of the very few words i know in Arabic, and the article on Islands in general is under that title arz:جزيره in Egyptian wiki. The transliteration was often in place names, but even in place names things like Island (or Lake or Mountain) get translated, with fairly rare exceptions Loch Ness vs Lake Geneva. The transliterstion of island also uses the Arabic dotted ya ي unicode character, whereas the spelling of the name of Masri Wiki uses the ی terminally undotted Farsi version of Ya. There are no matches to this spelling with the ی undotted Ya. I'm not sure how i could go about finding a suitable speaker of the dialect to give an informed second opinion? I got the impression user:Nehme1499 speaks Lebanese? Irtapil ( talk) 17:55, 17 March 2021 (UTC)
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I'm looking for someone to translate an article from Russian Wikipedia that does not seem to have an article in English Wikipedia, ru: Альянс врачей. They an organisation being mentioned in recent news about Alexey Navalny. There's no information about them in English Wikipedia but there is extensive article in Russian Wikipedia. I can't find any mention of them in English Wikipedia using that specific Russian name "Альянс врачей", or a literal translation "Alliance of Doctors".
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Thanks, I'll try Wikipedia:Translators_available#Russian-to-English. Irtapil ( talk) 00:52, 4 April 2021 (UTC)
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I'm looking for someone to translate an article from Russian Wikipedia that does not seem to have an article in English Wikipedia, ru: Альянс врачей. They an organisation being mentioned in recent news about Alexey Navalny. There's no information about them in English Wikipedia but there is extensive article in Russian Wikipedia. I can't find any mention of them in English Wikipedia using that specific Russian name "Альянс врачей", or a literal translation "Alliance of Doctors".
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I've started the basics, Alliance of Doctors, will add more later. Brandmeister talk 18:59, 4 April 2021 (UTC)
Thanks. It's strange it wasn't there already. Irtapil ( talk) 15:57, 5 April 2021 (UTC)
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Can we put "disputed", with or without footnotes as the perpetrator in the infobox?. There are responses from חוקרת, Selfstudier, and myself. We refer to a previous discussion where a decision was reached to leave this field blank in light of the "perpetrator" being disputed. I linked to the prior discussion.
I suggest simply cutting the "Accused" parameter from the infobox for now.. Note that DeCausa says:
Infoboxes are for simple, known facts...the slightest complexity and they al;most always go horribly wrong. "Probably", "disputed" etc etc. It cries out for not trying to cover the responsibility issue in the infobox at the moment - leave it to the article text. Silence is golden.. This discussion occurred from 23 October to 31 October, when the last comment by Elmmapleoakpine was
It appears that this is resolved but for what it is worth, I think the lead of the article handles this appropriately now.In the context of that discussion, at 04:57, 23 October 2023, Generalrelative removed the "Accused" parameter, with the edit summary:
Rm contested "Accused" parameter for now. See emerging consensus at NPOVN.
Removed perp and accused fields from infobox, discussed a million times. 25 minutes later, at 00:07, 23 November 2023, you re-added Israel into the infobox as a possible culprit again, with the edit summary
i think my correction glitched in my previous attempt to save this. This was your second edit in less than 24 hours that reversed the action of another editor. What was the action? Removal of Israel as a possible culprit from the infobox. What was reversal of this action? Insertion of Israel as a possible culprit into the infobox.
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I have removed the Gaza text you inserted into Christmas tree. Firstly, it is not notable enough in itself for any mention within Christmas_tree#Public Christmas trees. Compare to Rockefeller Center Christmas Tree. Secondly, you had no cites to lay any evidence for the text. Someone else added a cite, to an article barely mentioning a tree and YMCA, but mentioning much from a decidedly non-neutral stance. Thirdly, the timing and content makes this insertion of yours seem motivated by the ongoing conflict, as if you want to bring that struggle into this article.
I don't have current knowledge of the applicable warning templates, so I can't point you to the various WP articles on correct editing. Spreading conflict (especially "bitter and long-standing real-world conflict") to advance a particular viewpoint within Wikipedia is a no-go.
If you feel removing the Middle East conflict from Christmas tree was wrong, you can ask for opinions from people more knowledgeable about WP policies. They might be able to explain better than I. Shenme ( talk) 07:35, 22 December 2023 (UTC)
It seems you often draft your comments on article talk pages as hidden text before making them. Could you avoid doing this, as it causes the pages to show up on watchlists?
Instead, I would suggest you use your sandbox or another user space page. BilledMammal ( talk) 14:32, 31 December 2023 (UTC)
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What is the BEST way to make long lists of footnotes collapsing / hidden by default? Something that…
Thanks in advance. Irtapil ( talk) 12:15, 1 January 2024 (UTC)
Hi Irtapil! What was the purpose on leaving a hidden comment on Talk:2023 Hamas-led attack on Israel, as you did here? (See WP:HIDDEN for appropriate uses of hidden text.) Should the comment be deleted, or made visible? — St.Nerol ( talk, contribs) 12:50, 2 January 2024 (UTC)
moved to my own talk page.
Deletion discussion that might be of interest to you articles on this theme keep popping up, I think the best approach is to "keep but improve"? Trying to delete them for being a weak / flawed idea just means new bad articles keep appearing. A better approach would be trying to write a good article that puts the accusation in a proper perspective / context. Particularly given what that hyperbolic accusation is currently being used to justify. Irtapil ( talk) 05:41, 20 December 2023 (UTC)
@ JJMC89 bot @ JJMC89 How are we supposed to use our user space to draft things if your robot deletes chunks of the drafts? Irtapil ( talk) 20:53, 6 January 2024 (UTC)
Please do not add commentary, your own point of view, or your own personal analysis to Wikipedia articles, as you did to List of engagements during the 2023 Israel–Hamas war. Doing so violates Wikipedia's neutral point of view policy and breaches the formal tone expected in an encyclopedia. I don't think I've ever warned someone with an NPOV template before, but your edits here go too far; saying things like "the entire population of Gaza has been captured" is extremely partisan, and you need to tone it back particularly when you are putting things in Wikivoice. BilledMammal ( talk) 20:25, 15 January 2024 (UTC)
@ BilledMammal Can I please talk to you about this somewhere I'm allowed to talk about it? Irtapil ( talk) 09:18, 3 April 2024 (UTC)
You've violated WP:1RR a number of times at this article. Please self-revert the edits that you are still capable of self-reverting.
Note that these aren't exhaustive; I haven't looked at every edit you've made to the article in the last few days. BilledMammal ( talk) 08:28, 16 January 2024 (UTC) Added additional detail of what each edit reverted BilledMammal ( talk) 06:31, 19 January 2024 (UTC)
Regarding 13:12, 14 January 2024, it was the switch from Fatah to Al-Aqsa Martyrs.Look carefully at the changes please. Al-Aqsa Martyrs appears automatically for Fatah in one of the templates.
Regarding 20:14, 15 January 2024, it was the column regarding "Palestinian Factions", that you appear to be in a protracted disagreement about.
in a protracted disagreement about" it with? I'll ask them what their objection was rather than guessing a third time.
"Regarding 18:32" - It's merged now, what is the point of objecting now?To demonstrate a pattern of 1RR violations and with that evidence request that you are more careful going forwards.
in a protracted disagreement aboutwas based on your edit summary; perhaps it was just a one off? Regardless, please keep in mind that even if you don't change it to a previous form you are still performing a revert because you are undoing their change to the current form.
{{citation needed| reason = Can an Arabic speaker speak check the source? This was on the main page as "Fatah". It probably refers to [[Al-Aqsa Martyrs Brigades]]. They were originally the militant wing of Fata, but Fatah no longer publicly endorse them. so this should say "Al-Aqsa Martyrs" - the page about them already details the controversy about alleged continued links to Fatah. |date=January 2024}}
Removing "hostages" is not a revert, unless your can find me a version where there were previously numbers but no words there.I don't think you fully understand what a revert is; it is undoing the actions of another editor. By removing hostages you undid my actions, even if the result wasn't something that perfectly aligned to a previous version. BilledMammal ( talk) 09:26, 19 January 2024 (UTC)
Between 22:47, 18 January 2024 and 00:25, 19 January 2024 you made a number of reverts, most significantly 23:23, 18 January 2024, where you reverted the "outcome" and "Hamas and their allies" cells to very close to the versions you previously added:
Partially lifted {{efn|name=Holodomor| partially lifted on 20 October 2023, but still more severe than <!-- link page on prior blockade -->prior to October 2023. }}→
Ongoing; partially lifted on 2023-10-20, but still stricter than the [[Blockade of the Gaza Strip|blockade implemented after Hamas took over the strip in 2007]].→
Ongoing {{efn| name = Winston | partially eased on 2023-10-20,{{cn}} but still more severe than the pre-existing [[Blockade of the Gaza Strip|blackade]]. }}
{{flagicon|Gaza}} Entire population of the Gaza Strip→
{{flagicon|Gaza}} [[Gaza]]→
{{flagicon|Gaza}} Entire [[Gaza Strip]] <br>{{citation needed| reason = how many people is that? }}
Now, you've made a number of reverts re-adding content I've removed - primarily empty columns - such as 10:42, 19 January 2024. Please self-revert these reverts, to bring yourself back into compliance with 1RR.
As a side note, I didn't actually ask you to add the word "Hostages" to cells
, but never mind.
BilledMammal (
talk) 11:28, 19 January 2024 (UTC)
I made ONE real revert, restoring the huge amount of content you deleted without consulting any other editors. I did it in stages trying to preserve anything useful you might have added, most people would have just done a rollback.
23:23, 18 January 2024, as listed at the top of this section, I meant at the top of #Additional 1RR violation; I was referring to the diff named "23:23, 18 January 2024", which was between 11 and 13 hours before your reverts at 10:10, 19 January 2024, 10:42, 19 January 2024, 11:11, 19 January 2024, and 12:42, 19 January 2024 - I think there are some other minor intermediary reverts, but these four were the main ones.
get the impression that your own pattern of editing on that page indicates quite extreme biasthen take your evidence to AE and cut the hostility. Content, not contributor. ScottishFinnishRadish ( talk) 21:10, 20 January 2024 (UTC)
If you've been asked to self-revert with an explanation, do it, and if you discover after the fact there was no violation then we can handle the false report." I self reverted everything as soon as I got an explanation.
You frequently edit articles to add spaces between article text and citation markers. Per WP:CITEFOOT,
Note also that no space is added before the citation marker.
Regards SaintPaulOfTarsus ( talk) 19:55, 16 January 2024 (UTC)
Hi, could you please explain why you extended the Battle of Sufa by four days without providing a reference? Filling articles with unverifiable claims doesn't do readers or editors any favors. SaintPaulOfTarsus ( talk) 04:25, 17 January 2024 (UTC)
Afaict,
your edit of 09:42, 13 January 2024 at the Hamas apartheid Rfc screwed up the appearance of bullet items in the Survey section of the
§ Mention of apartheid RfC. It's late here, so I can't go into detail, but see
WP:THREAD and
Help:List#List basics for proper threading and indentation after a bullet item. When you replied to Homerethegreat's 16:02, 17 December comment, which started with a single asterisk in the left column, you must reply with *:
in the left column, not ::
. I believe this is responsible for all of the messed-up bullets from that point on, although I haven't had time to test it to prove it, so if I'm mistaken, I apologize. I hope this is enough info for you to figure it out; if not, ping me tomorrow and I'll try to help. Cheers,
Mathglot (
talk) 10:11, 18 January 2024 (UTC)
Hi again, Irtapil. In your hatnote at the top, you asked what you could do to give back to foreign Wikipedia communities. One thing you can do, is browse the list of their featured articles, that is, the very best articles they have, that are awarded a Featured Article badge (which will, of course, have a different name in their language, like Articles de qualité in French Wikipedia), and find one or two that interest you, that do not have a corresponding article at English Wikipedia. How can you do this? Fortunately, there's a tool for that: it's called, Not in the other language. As an example, I ran this tool for French, and here are the first 100 articles in French Wikipedia that are Articles de qualité that do not exist on en-wiki. I found fr:Emploi des personnes autistes in the list, which might be Employment of people with autism in English Wikipedia. (Note: the last three words of that proposed title are one of dozens of possible different versions, depending on whether one chooses person-first, identity-first, and other varieties. This is a complex topic that doesn't need to be decided here; just wanted to flag it in case you decide to create this article, that there may be a titling issue that needs to be addressed.) If that topic interests you, you could translate that one. If not, there are plenty of others.
Also, if you have a particular topic are you are interested in, you can specify a category to the tool; for example, if you are interested in the Mexican Revolution, you could ask the tool to list articles present in Spanish Wikipedia about the Mexican Revolution that are absent from English Wikipedia; there are 96 such articles. You could pick any one that interests you, and translate into English (or ask someone to translate it). The Querétaro conspiracy would make a great new article here, and looks interesting and important. Hope this helps, and let me know if you need help using the tool for some other language. Mathglot ( talk) 22:30, 18 January 2024 (UTC)
Hey Irtapil! We have crossed paths a few times in the past and I actually noticed your hatnote this morning and I wanted to see if you would be interested in helping out on Simple English Wikipedia. Simple English is a version of the English Wikipedia, but it is made in Basic English, so everyone can understand it. The targeted audience is people who are just learning English (English is not first language), children, and adults with learning disabilities.
Coincidental, I found Simple English Wikipedia fairly recently and you may be really interested in helping out. I’ve been writing basically all the articles related to the Red Sea Crisis as well as a couple of related with the 2023 Israel–Hamas war, including starting the article entirely for the USS Dwight D. Eisenhower as well as the article for the Battle of Re'im. I know you have an interest in the realm of the ongoing Middle East conflict, so I wanted to see if you would like to help out. On Simple English Wikipedia, I started a list of military operations during 2024, which has a couple of articles in need of improvements.
It is entirely up to you, but since you are interested in the ongoing conflicts as well as helping out on other branches of Wikipedia, Simple English Wikipedia may be for you! Anyway, that concludes my message and keep up the good work! Cheers! The Weather Event Writer ( Talk Page) 16:18, 19 January 2024 (UTC)
Please do not insert blank space between article content and explanatory notes or ref tags, as you did in this edit at 2023 Hamas-led attack on Israel. Examples:
:* 36 children {{efn| including 20 under 15
:* 36 children{{efn| including 20 under 15
:* 373 [[Israeli security forces|security forces]] <ref name="social security data"/>
:* 373 [[Israeli security forces|security forces]]<ref name="social security data"/>
Thanks, Mathglot ( talk) 03:07, 20 January 2024 (UTC)
Reading above it seems that you're a bit unsure about what counts as a revert. Please take a moment to review
WP:REVERT and
WP:1RR, specifically Any method of editing that has the practical effect of returning some or all of the page to a previous version counts as a reversion.
ScottishFinnishRadish (
talk) 15:06, 20 January 2024 (UTC)
methodmeans that any way you edit a page, whether it be using the undo link, rollback, twinkle, redwarn, ultraviolet, a manual edit, or any other way.
Never resembling any previous version of a page on any way would make editing completely impossible. And I am beginning to getting the impression that making editing impossible is the goal of the complainant above?The point is for the articles to be the result of consensus. Because of the long history of edit warring in the topic Arbcom has levied 1RR on the entire topic to force people to discuss, rather than revert. Generally, once something has become the stable (which varies in time, I've seen people say two weeks to six months in different discussions) it's not seen as a revert to change it. In many of the new articles about the current conflict there is no stable version.
Hello. Per WP:USERNOCAT, please remove all of your subpages from "mainspace" content categories, particularly those pertaining to the Israel–Hamas war. You may do this using either the WP:COLONTRICK or wrapping them in {{ Draft categories}}. Thank you. InfiniteNexus ( talk) 23:16, 20 January 2024 (UTC)
Hello @ Irtapil. Please refrain from introducing content to articles with citation needed tags in place of actual references, as you did here and here.
In these cases, you included comments on where you thought the appropriate references would be found, but if you don't want to locate the citations yourself, it's not reasonable to put the WP:BURDEN on other editors.
The burden to demonstrate verifiability lies with the editor who adds or restores material, and it is satisfied by providing an inline citation to a reliable source that directly supports the contribution.
From my experiences with you I know you're editing in good faith, but without context, others may consider this to be a form of disruptive editing. Per WP:EXCUSE,
These templates do not give a user free rein to make whatever claims they want without citing a source. By continuing to add uncited claims to articles with a "Citation needed" template, you are actually showing that you are well aware that your claims require verification, but simply don't care.
SaintPaulOfTarsus ( talk) 12:04, 21 January 2024 (UTC)
"By continuing to add uncited claims to articles with a "Citation needed" template, you are actually showing that you are well aware that your claims require verification, but simply don't care."that a CN with a URL in it is completely fine? and a CN with enough info that the ref i had in mind is the top Google hit (e.g. "Haaretz list of the dead") is not too bad?
Hi, I wanted to reply to your talk page message on List of engagements during the Israel–Hamas war but it looks like your last comment broke the talk page and I don't how to fix it. AA is Anadolu Agency. SaintPaulOfTarsus ( talk) 04:45, 22 January 2024 (UTC)
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went did that get as marked helped when nobody's replied? Irtapil ( talk) 07:36, 25 January 2024 (UTC)
am i allowed to contact other users about this? e.g. link it on their talk page?
are there any restrictions on who?
or how i can contact them?
also, am i allowed to reply to people in the discussion about me? or only in my statement area?
I know there is lots of general info on this, but I just want to make sure I have those couple of points clear.
Irtapil ( talk) 19:30, 24 January 2024 (UTC)
{{ tqb}}
My 2 cents, take a break from this topic area for a while and say that's what you are going to do at the board. Selfstudier ( talk) 16:44, 25 January 2024 (UTC)
Is there an efficient way to do a word count on this?
I thought i over but counting is kinda tricky as is copying into a word processor.
Does it include responses?
Do I understand correctly that this isn't in the 500?
I just want to reiterate that the "large amounts of material" I deleted was primarily empty columns." We have addressed that in detail already in numerous places.
I think I've deduced what you were getting at. Me jumping in on conversations you had with other people?
@ Galobtter am i allowed to reply to comments there? Irtapil ( talk) 19:21, 24 January 2024 (UTC)
One important caveat is that an administrator who has interacted with an editor or topic area purely in an administrative role, or whose prior involvements are minor or obvious edits that do not show bias, is not involved and is not prevented from acting in an administrative capacity in relation to that editor or topic area. Warnings, calm and reasonable discussion and explanation of those warnings, advice about community norms, and suggestions on possible wordings and approaches do not make an administrator involved.Galobtter ( talk) 03:09, 31 January 2024 (UTC)
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That 1199972170 edit of the UNRWA October 7 controversy article I have done was undid by someone saying non-ECP. I had to search what did he mean... :) When I finally logged in with my account I have found out that you have already restored it the next day. Thank you! How did you stumbled on this? I hope you do not have to just go through all of the history. Is there some tool for such rescuers? IHaveBecauseOfLocks ( talk) 10:13, 29 January 2024 (UTC)
The following topic ban now applies to you:
You are indefinitely topic banned from the Palestine/Israel conflict, broadly construed.
You have been sanctioned as a result of this discussion at WP:AE.
This topic ban is imposed in my capacity as an uninvolved administrator under the authority of the Arbitration Committee's decision at Wikipedia:Arbitration/Index/Palestine-Israel articles#Final decision and, if applicable, the contentious topics procedure. This sanction has been recorded in the log of sanctions. Please read WP:TBAN to understand what a topic ban is. If you do not comply with the topic ban, you may be blocked for an extended period to enforce the ban.
If you wish to appeal the ban, please read the appeals process. You are free to contact me on my talk page if anything of the above is unclear to you. ScottishFinnishRadish ( talk) 22:17, 30 January 2024 (UTC)
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Topic ban violations were entirely accidental. The first I noticed of the topic ban was when I was completely blocked. I have found the whole arbitration process extremely stressful, and I know I handled it rather poorly. But rules on things like "canvassing" have made it very hard to seek advice or support and left me feeling isolated and overwhelmed. In retrospect checking talk page messages diligently in case of news should have been obvious, but I think taking an hour or two to see a new messages is an oversight that definitely warrants a second chance. Addendum I was watching the arbitration itself more than my talk page, and when I double checked just then, nobody at all had commented there for 13 hours between me revising my statement as instructed and the block. I really didn't expect it to suddenly finish before anyone even commented on my revision? Irtapil ( talk) 01:50, 31 January 2024 (UTC)
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Hi Irtapil, we’re often on different sides of debates, but I have encountered you as an honest editor trying to follow the rules. I’m offering you my advice if you wish to utilise it. We wouldn’t discuss content but I think I can talk you through how you got to where you are from a rules perspective and what you can do to get out of the hole. I understand your comment about feeling isolated because of the canvassing restriction, I’ve felt that way myself. Talking to me or anyone else about how to get the ban lifted and not get further blocks should be ok as long as you make NO mention of the issues covered by the ban. Even now I think you can talk about this (ban lifting, no further blocking, but NOT the banned topic) on your talk page (I don’t think your access to this page has been taken away). If you’d rather consult with others I fully understand. Just know that I want you to remain on the project because I have found you to be someone honestly trying to improve the encyclopedia. Ayenaee ( talk) 23:27, 31 January 2024 (UTC)
Hi,
User:Irtapil. Thanks for your responses. To avoid confusion (for me at least) I think it’s better if I respond to all your comments above in one block, so here goes:
1. Archiving
{{
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2. Comments on applying 1RR
3. Top message
4. My original email message
@
Ayenaee Thank you.
Irtapil (
talk) 02:22, 28 March 2024 (UTC)
Do it manually: Create a page called User talk:Irtapil\Archive 1, and then cut and copy whatever you want to archive to that page,Thanks that sounds nice and simple. I'll do that if it gets so big that it gets glitchy.
Hi Irtapil, I prepared some material while you were thinking about how we could best communicate. I wiki coded it (as a table, I think in tables) and I don't think it’s personal so I’m putting it here. I think it’s important that you eat, sleep and dream the topics I cover. As BM pointed out, in GF and correctly, your first edit after your block expired was a breach of the ban. We don’t want that. So spend lots of time reviewing wiki policy before editing more. Anything you’re unsure of, please ask me, here or on email. You shouldn’t edit until you understand this stuff deeply. There are other things we should discuss related to the ban, but this the ground material you need to master first:
Issue | DON'T | DO | Why? |
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Feeling Panicked | DON'T PANIC! (not original advice from me 😃) | Stop editing for a while, even during a topic banning discussion. Do something else that that soothes you (I garden and play with my dogs). Remove yourself from the source of agitation and do other things which bring you happiness. | Your health and mental wellbeing are much more important than Wikipedia |
While Blocked | Edit the English Wikipedia IN ANY WAY. Don’t edit it while logged out as an IP user, don’t create another user name to evade the block, don’t ask anyone to edit for you. | Edit your user talk page only on issues related to your block. | You can be permanently blocked for trying to evade your block yourself or asking others to edit for you |
Edit any other Wikipedia sister project including commons | You are only blocked on the English Wikipedia. | ||
While topic banned | Edit any article or part of an article, or participate in any discussion, on the English Wikipedia which falls within the banned topic
very widely defined. Remember "widely defined" might mean that articles or parts of articles which seem to be outside the ban might be considered within it. If you’re unsure whether or not you can edit something, assume you can’t. Some examples tailored to your interests (not exhaustive):
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Edit those articles or parts of articles in the English Wikipedia in your other areas of interest outside the topic ban widely defined | Even making a mistake in this regard can get you blocked for longer periods or indefinitely |
Edit any article on any topic on any other Wikipedia sister project including commons. But remember the reasons you were topic banned on en.wiki and don't repeat them elsewhere. | You are only topic banned on the English Wikipedia. | ||
General Editing | Revert, even if you’re allowed to | Apply 0RR and take any issues you have to the talk page. If consensus is against you move on. If a user is obstructive take it to AN/I or AE. But think very hard if it’s worth the emotional effort before doing this, and consider that the process can turn on you, and you can get sanctioned instead of the editor you’re reporting. It’s better to stay off the drama boards, always but especially when you’re banned. Remember changing anything inserted by another editor counts as a revert even if you don’t edit all that editors insertions. | Go further than required to avoid mistakes |
Add any content requiring citation directly into article space without a corresponding citation | Edit the content in your sandbox or draft space which allows you longer to find citations. Only move it to article space together with citations, even if this is more complicated on your device. | For the time (even where short) while the uncited content exists on Wikipedia it causes other editors to be confused and angry especially in contentious topic areas. | |
Edit anything, including discussions, anywhere just because: 1. Someone else you like / don’t like is editing it, or 2. Someone else asked you to get involved |
Always have your own reason for participation or editing | (1) can be seen as harrasment and (2) as meat puppeting | |
Comment in any way on another user or what you believe their motives are, or attack them in any personal way. This always applies, but especially if you don’t like there edits or them personally, or you feel you may be losing an argument | Always assume good faith, and address the content, policy, or issue under consideration, not other editors | Assuming an editor is doing something wrong, or calling them out for their behavior (anywhere except AN/AE) breaches the policies relating to assuming good faith on the behalf of other editors, and not attacking other editors personally | |
Get involved in background processes (AN/I, AE, AfD, etc.) unless you are really involved. Especially don’t get involved in any process against another editor unless you are directly involved, and don’t bring other issues you might have with an editor into that process | Stay away from drama boards | It’s always better to sort out issues one-on-one than too publicly drag someone through the mud | |
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"Arial" is a commercial font which is only available on a limited range of systems, so what you did is probably not as helpful as you thought it would be... AnonMoos ( talk) 16:18, 7 March 2020 (UTC)
it seems likely not everyone was seeing that, or it would be fixed already, and the people who see the same error seem more likely to also be windows users, or have the same glitchy font that comes ahead of Arial in the queue? Irtapil ( talk) 18:25, 7 March 2020 (UTC)
the lang-ar had a less streaky option Arabic: ﷽, but it was illegibly small, in a table you can increase font size, but in line with text that's not a winner. {{script|Arab|﷽}} ﷽ gives the same error. Irtapil ( talk) 18:36, 7 March 2020 (UTC) /info/en/?search=Template:Script/Arabic "Amiri (appears feathery on Windows; errors with combining shadda with kasra and in Rohingya [1])" ﷽ {{font|font=amiri|﷽}} that font looks fine in other programs, just goes weird for that character in chrome.
i'm still not sure what you mean by "not as helpful as you thought it would be" ... how helpg=ful did you think i thought it'd be? Irtapil ( talk) 19:06, 7 March 2020 (UTC)
@ AnonMoos: what would your idealised solution be then? do you actually have a better idea or are you just complaining that my quick fix for a small problem isn't perfect?
As far as i gather the effect of forcing Arial font displays Arial if it is present then if it's not installed it goes back to whatever it would have displayed without that setting? so it possibly helps a lot of viewers, and has no effect for others? The "feathering" mention on the help page sounds like it is likely to be just a windows thing, and Arial comes with windows, so it likely solved it for everyone who has the problem.
The problem seemed likely to be restricted to that particular obscure character, a generalised solution (e.g. editing the template font list) would likely create WAY more problems than it solved.
i could work out the offending font - Amiri - and uninstall it from my own computer, but that solves it for only ONE user, and Amiri displays other characters fine, without streaking into the toolbars.
what proportion of users would actually not have Arial? i do wonder if some people might have Arial without the full character set? but if they don't have the Arabic characters from Arial the chances of them having a specific Arabic font are even lower.
you say Arial only works for some people, but is there any stable and extensive Arabic font they are more likely to have installed? i didn't just pick the most common font in general, i picked the font with the most extensive Arabic charachar set, out of the fonts likely to be installed on an English speakers computer. the SIL fonts would work too, but they are way less common than Arial. do you actually have a better idea? if you want to add a list of all of the fonts other than Amiri to the formatting on that one character, just go do it rather than complaining that i didn't. i even worked out which don't was causing the problem, if you want to add a solution for the tiny proportion of people who don't have serial, just go do it. but they likely weren't even getting the same glitch, so it's a bit pointless.
Irtapil ( talk) 01:43, 8 March 2020 (UTC)
old {{script|Arab|﷽}} ﷽
new {{font|font=arial|{{lang|ar|﷽}}}} ﷽
no lang tag {{font|font=arial|﷽}}}} ﷽
no lang tag amiri {{font|font=amiri|﷽}}}} ﷽
Irtapil ( talk) 02:20, 8 March 2020 (UTC)
those all display identically on my android, so, the solution does nothing, but there was also no problem to solve. if you want a solution that applies to people who do not have the problem, then that's a fairly eccentric approach...
if you actually do have a better idea i am keen to hear it. i often use arial because pages use have obscure characters, and some fonts will have these but not connect them properly, so they look completely different. i add the appropriate lang tag lang|ar or lang|ur etc. as well and as far as i know, this means that if the user is one of the 1% of internet users who do not have Arial installed or will default back to the fonts associated with that lang tag. so, if you have a better solution please do share. i could add additional fonts, but most of what i would add is already attached to those Lang tags, so that's a bit pointless. Irtapil ( talk) 02:33, 8 March 2020 (UTC)
"Also probably many mobile systems, to start with... AnonMoos (talk) 20:30, 7 March 2020 (UTC)" well the solution does nothing, see above, but they also don't have the problem. Irtapil ( talk) 02:35, 8 March 2020 (UTC)
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is this the right way to do a list of fonts for characters that aren't displaying properly in the default? Arabic: ◌ٔ {{lang-ar|{{font|font=tahoma,amiri,arial|size=175%| ◌ٔ }}}} Irtapil ( talk) 08:28, 20 March 2020 (UTC)
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what's going on here? i moved the table to another page (my user page) and it didn't keep doing it.
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Also, you can specify a list of fonts (with the last on the list as the fallback default) in HTML code, but I'm not sure how or if this carries over into Wikipedia templates. See this example from further down on the linked page:
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@ Diannaa: are you a human? am i in trouble? how fix edit summary after the fact? Irtapil ( talk) 19:44, 16 April 2020 (UTC)
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While working on article Islamic advice literature I realized that word 'Qisas' is appearing in different meaning at Qisas Al-Anbiya it comes as story/anecdote telling (alternative spelling Kissa). And in article named Qisas seems to come as revenge. Need support in creating proper disambiguation page and links so reader do not end up in unexpected pages.
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@ Nehme1499 and HitomiAkane: This refers partly to a topic from User_talk:HitomiAkane/Archive_1, but it seemed more appropriate to put it on my own talk page? You were talking about some inaccurate transliterations in arz: and i think I've possibly found another, but i know hardly any Arabic so i don't know weather it actually is inaccurate. This looks like a problem, but i'm way out of my depth, so tagging @ Nehme1499: who spotted a similar problem and seemed to come up with a decent plan to repair it. There are a huge number of articles in arz.wikipedia.org that use the Arabic spelling Arabic: ايسلاند for the English word "island" in the title, or the body. All of these pages (or at least the dozen or so i checked) had the same author arz:مستخدم:HitomiAkane and no other human editors. This struck me as weird, because that is one of the very few words i know in Arabic, and the article on Islands in general is under that title arz:جزيره in Egyptian wiki. The transliteration was often in place names, but even in place names things like Island (or Lake or Mountain) get translated, with fairly rare exceptions Loch Ness vs Lake Geneva. The transliterstion of island also uses the Arabic dotted ya ي unicode character, whereas the spelling of the name of Masri Wiki uses the ی terminally undotted Farsi version of Ya. There are no matches to this spelling with the ی undotted Ya. I'm not sure how i could go about finding a suitable speaker of the dialect to give an informed second opinion? I got the impression user:Nehme1499 speaks Lebanese? Irtapil ( talk) 17:55, 17 March 2021 (UTC)
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Is there a standard way to request translations? or is sunshine responding to this able to do this?
I'm looking for someone to translate an article from Russian Wikipedia that does not seem to have an article in English Wikipedia, ru: Альянс врачей. They an organisation being mentioned in recent news about Alexey Navalny. There's no information about them in English Wikipedia but there is extensive article in Russian Wikipedia. I can't find any mention of them in English Wikipedia using that specific Russian name "Альянс врачей", or a literal translation "Alliance of Doctors".
Irtapil ( talk) 08:34, 3 April 2021 (UTC)
Thanks, I'll try Wikipedia:Translators_available#Russian-to-English. Irtapil ( talk) 00:52, 4 April 2021 (UTC)
Draft: == article translation request [[:ru: Альянс врачей]] ==I found you on the list: Wikipedia:Translators_available#Russian-to-English.
I'm looking for someone to translate an article from Russian Wikipedia that does not seem to have an article in English Wikipedia, ru: Альянс врачей. They an organisation being mentioned in recent news about Alexey Navalny. There's no information about them in English Wikipedia but there is extensive article in Russian Wikipedia. I can't find any mention of them in English Wikipedia using that specific Russian name "Альянс врачей", or a literal translation "Alliance of Doctors".
Irtapil ( talk) 00:52, 4 April 2021 (UTC)
I've started the basics, Alliance of Doctors, will add more later. Brandmeister talk 18:59, 4 April 2021 (UTC)
Thanks. It's strange it wasn't there already. Irtapil ( talk) 15:57, 5 April 2021 (UTC)
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what on earth was this? Irtapil ( talk) 16:49, 17 November 2022 (UTC)
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@ EugeneZelenko and Minorax:
WHY!?
that discussion page gives no reason except a link to the general policy.
also, why didn't i get a notification on wiki main page? i only saw this now, and it's obviously too late now!
Irtapil ( talk) 14:59, 29 September 2021 (UTC)
i previously tried asking specific users (see section above) .
I've split this into two separate {{ help me}} questions, because it seems likely someone will have time or knowledge to help with one but not the other.
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@ Irtapil: Hello, just wondering whether it's good to go ahead & finalize our wording in this discussion or whether you're still on the fence or plan on proposing changes. WikiwiLimeli ( talk) 10:49, 9 January 2022 (UTC)
@ WikiwiLimeli: Sorry, i didn't read this until today. I thought that issue was already resolved? Is this why the maritime borders version is back? I'm very sure it's best to avoid the "maritime borders" reference in the lead, there are simpler ways to describe it. What was left ambiguous in the discussion? Irtapil ( talk) 03:41, 25 January 2022 (UTC)
Hi there, I have a question. Is University Park any longer a CDP? As far as I can see, there is no Census data for 2020. Has the place merged with another one for Census purposes? Thank you in advance for your reply. Regards, Dionysos1988 ( talk) 13:18, 13 February 2022 (UTC) ut::
Hello,
I wanted to notify you of a couple things relating the template you created Template:Uninastaliq (which is very helpful).
I updated the documentation to note that it is widely used for Punjabi in the Perso-Arabic script rather than occasionally (important since the Noto Nastaliq font includes Punjabi-specific characters).
I also wanted to ask if you would be OK with me moving the Uninastaliq template into Template:Nastaliq, and changing Template:Uninastaliq to an alias/redirect to Nastaliq. I think this would be uncontroversial as it would improve script support across the board without having to update every instance of Nastaliq to Uninastaliq. -- Middle river exports ( talk) 10:44, 15 July 2022 (UTC)
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an i made before i liked in tonight was reverted, but was clearly "good faith"? so a block seems a bit much? Irtapil ( talk) 17:04, 17 November 2022 (UTC)
it seems to be part of a huge range 2001:8004:0:0:0:0:0:0/32 blocked by User:Guerillero - can't you make that a bit more specific? Irtapil ( talk) 17:16, 17 November 2022 (UTC)
i also asked about it on their page User_talk:Guerillero#why_was_my_ip_address_blocked? Irtapil ( talk) 17:19, 17 November 2022 (UTC)
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Can we put "disputed", with or without footnotes as the perpetrator in the infobox?. There are responses from חוקרת, Selfstudier, and myself. We refer to a previous discussion where a decision was reached to leave this field blank in light of the "perpetrator" being disputed. I linked to the prior discussion.
I suggest simply cutting the "Accused" parameter from the infobox for now.. Note that DeCausa says:
Infoboxes are for simple, known facts...the slightest complexity and they al;most always go horribly wrong. "Probably", "disputed" etc etc. It cries out for not trying to cover the responsibility issue in the infobox at the moment - leave it to the article text. Silence is golden.. This discussion occurred from 23 October to 31 October, when the last comment by Elmmapleoakpine was
It appears that this is resolved but for what it is worth, I think the lead of the article handles this appropriately now.In the context of that discussion, at 04:57, 23 October 2023, Generalrelative removed the "Accused" parameter, with the edit summary:
Rm contested "Accused" parameter for now. See emerging consensus at NPOVN.
Removed perp and accused fields from infobox, discussed a million times. 25 minutes later, at 00:07, 23 November 2023, you re-added Israel into the infobox as a possible culprit again, with the edit summary
i think my correction glitched in my previous attempt to save this. This was your second edit in less than 24 hours that reversed the action of another editor. What was the action? Removal of Israel as a possible culprit from the infobox. What was reversal of this action? Insertion of Israel as a possible culprit into the infobox.
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I have removed the Gaza text you inserted into Christmas tree. Firstly, it is not notable enough in itself for any mention within Christmas_tree#Public Christmas trees. Compare to Rockefeller Center Christmas Tree. Secondly, you had no cites to lay any evidence for the text. Someone else added a cite, to an article barely mentioning a tree and YMCA, but mentioning much from a decidedly non-neutral stance. Thirdly, the timing and content makes this insertion of yours seem motivated by the ongoing conflict, as if you want to bring that struggle into this article.
I don't have current knowledge of the applicable warning templates, so I can't point you to the various WP articles on correct editing. Spreading conflict (especially "bitter and long-standing real-world conflict") to advance a particular viewpoint within Wikipedia is a no-go.
If you feel removing the Middle East conflict from Christmas tree was wrong, you can ask for opinions from people more knowledgeable about WP policies. They might be able to explain better than I. Shenme ( talk) 07:35, 22 December 2023 (UTC)
It seems you often draft your comments on article talk pages as hidden text before making them. Could you avoid doing this, as it causes the pages to show up on watchlists?
Instead, I would suggest you use your sandbox or another user space page. BilledMammal ( talk) 14:32, 31 December 2023 (UTC)
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What is the BEST way to make long lists of footnotes collapsing / hidden by default? Something that…
Thanks in advance. Irtapil ( talk) 12:15, 1 January 2024 (UTC)
Hi Irtapil! What was the purpose on leaving a hidden comment on Talk:2023 Hamas-led attack on Israel, as you did here? (See WP:HIDDEN for appropriate uses of hidden text.) Should the comment be deleted, or made visible? — St.Nerol ( talk, contribs) 12:50, 2 January 2024 (UTC)
moved to my own talk page.
Deletion discussion that might be of interest to you articles on this theme keep popping up, I think the best approach is to "keep but improve"? Trying to delete them for being a weak / flawed idea just means new bad articles keep appearing. A better approach would be trying to write a good article that puts the accusation in a proper perspective / context. Particularly given what that hyperbolic accusation is currently being used to justify. Irtapil ( talk) 05:41, 20 December 2023 (UTC)
@ JJMC89 bot @ JJMC89 How are we supposed to use our user space to draft things if your robot deletes chunks of the drafts? Irtapil ( talk) 20:53, 6 January 2024 (UTC)
Please do not add commentary, your own point of view, or your own personal analysis to Wikipedia articles, as you did to List of engagements during the 2023 Israel–Hamas war. Doing so violates Wikipedia's neutral point of view policy and breaches the formal tone expected in an encyclopedia. I don't think I've ever warned someone with an NPOV template before, but your edits here go too far; saying things like "the entire population of Gaza has been captured" is extremely partisan, and you need to tone it back particularly when you are putting things in Wikivoice. BilledMammal ( talk) 20:25, 15 January 2024 (UTC)
@ BilledMammal Can I please talk to you about this somewhere I'm allowed to talk about it? Irtapil ( talk) 09:18, 3 April 2024 (UTC)
You've violated WP:1RR a number of times at this article. Please self-revert the edits that you are still capable of self-reverting.
Note that these aren't exhaustive; I haven't looked at every edit you've made to the article in the last few days. BilledMammal ( talk) 08:28, 16 January 2024 (UTC) Added additional detail of what each edit reverted BilledMammal ( talk) 06:31, 19 January 2024 (UTC)
Regarding 13:12, 14 January 2024, it was the switch from Fatah to Al-Aqsa Martyrs.Look carefully at the changes please. Al-Aqsa Martyrs appears automatically for Fatah in one of the templates.
Regarding 20:14, 15 January 2024, it was the column regarding "Palestinian Factions", that you appear to be in a protracted disagreement about.
in a protracted disagreement about" it with? I'll ask them what their objection was rather than guessing a third time.
"Regarding 18:32" - It's merged now, what is the point of objecting now?To demonstrate a pattern of 1RR violations and with that evidence request that you are more careful going forwards.
in a protracted disagreement aboutwas based on your edit summary; perhaps it was just a one off? Regardless, please keep in mind that even if you don't change it to a previous form you are still performing a revert because you are undoing their change to the current form.
{{citation needed| reason = Can an Arabic speaker speak check the source? This was on the main page as "Fatah". It probably refers to [[Al-Aqsa Martyrs Brigades]]. They were originally the militant wing of Fata, but Fatah no longer publicly endorse them. so this should say "Al-Aqsa Martyrs" - the page about them already details the controversy about alleged continued links to Fatah. |date=January 2024}}
Removing "hostages" is not a revert, unless your can find me a version where there were previously numbers but no words there.I don't think you fully understand what a revert is; it is undoing the actions of another editor. By removing hostages you undid my actions, even if the result wasn't something that perfectly aligned to a previous version. BilledMammal ( talk) 09:26, 19 January 2024 (UTC)
Between 22:47, 18 January 2024 and 00:25, 19 January 2024 you made a number of reverts, most significantly 23:23, 18 January 2024, where you reverted the "outcome" and "Hamas and their allies" cells to very close to the versions you previously added:
Partially lifted {{efn|name=Holodomor| partially lifted on 20 October 2023, but still more severe than <!-- link page on prior blockade -->prior to October 2023. }}→
Ongoing; partially lifted on 2023-10-20, but still stricter than the [[Blockade of the Gaza Strip|blockade implemented after Hamas took over the strip in 2007]].→
Ongoing {{efn| name = Winston | partially eased on 2023-10-20,{{cn}} but still more severe than the pre-existing [[Blockade of the Gaza Strip|blackade]]. }}
{{flagicon|Gaza}} Entire population of the Gaza Strip→
{{flagicon|Gaza}} [[Gaza]]→
{{flagicon|Gaza}} Entire [[Gaza Strip]] <br>{{citation needed| reason = how many people is that? }}
Now, you've made a number of reverts re-adding content I've removed - primarily empty columns - such as 10:42, 19 January 2024. Please self-revert these reverts, to bring yourself back into compliance with 1RR.
As a side note, I didn't actually ask you to add the word "Hostages" to cells
, but never mind.
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I made ONE real revert, restoring the huge amount of content you deleted without consulting any other editors. I did it in stages trying to preserve anything useful you might have added, most people would have just done a rollback.
23:23, 18 January 2024, as listed at the top of this section, I meant at the top of #Additional 1RR violation; I was referring to the diff named "23:23, 18 January 2024", which was between 11 and 13 hours before your reverts at 10:10, 19 January 2024, 10:42, 19 January 2024, 11:11, 19 January 2024, and 12:42, 19 January 2024 - I think there are some other minor intermediary reverts, but these four were the main ones.
get the impression that your own pattern of editing on that page indicates quite extreme biasthen take your evidence to AE and cut the hostility. Content, not contributor. ScottishFinnishRadish ( talk) 21:10, 20 January 2024 (UTC)
If you've been asked to self-revert with an explanation, do it, and if you discover after the fact there was no violation then we can handle the false report." I self reverted everything as soon as I got an explanation.
You frequently edit articles to add spaces between article text and citation markers. Per WP:CITEFOOT,
Note also that no space is added before the citation marker.
Regards SaintPaulOfTarsus ( talk) 19:55, 16 January 2024 (UTC)
Hi, could you please explain why you extended the Battle of Sufa by four days without providing a reference? Filling articles with unverifiable claims doesn't do readers or editors any favors. SaintPaulOfTarsus ( talk) 04:25, 17 January 2024 (UTC)
Afaict,
your edit of 09:42, 13 January 2024 at the Hamas apartheid Rfc screwed up the appearance of bullet items in the Survey section of the
§ Mention of apartheid RfC. It's late here, so I can't go into detail, but see
WP:THREAD and
Help:List#List basics for proper threading and indentation after a bullet item. When you replied to Homerethegreat's 16:02, 17 December comment, which started with a single asterisk in the left column, you must reply with *:
in the left column, not ::
. I believe this is responsible for all of the messed-up bullets from that point on, although I haven't had time to test it to prove it, so if I'm mistaken, I apologize. I hope this is enough info for you to figure it out; if not, ping me tomorrow and I'll try to help. Cheers,
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Hi again, Irtapil. In your hatnote at the top, you asked what you could do to give back to foreign Wikipedia communities. One thing you can do, is browse the list of their featured articles, that is, the very best articles they have, that are awarded a Featured Article badge (which will, of course, have a different name in their language, like Articles de qualité in French Wikipedia), and find one or two that interest you, that do not have a corresponding article at English Wikipedia. How can you do this? Fortunately, there's a tool for that: it's called, Not in the other language. As an example, I ran this tool for French, and here are the first 100 articles in French Wikipedia that are Articles de qualité that do not exist on en-wiki. I found fr:Emploi des personnes autistes in the list, which might be Employment of people with autism in English Wikipedia. (Note: the last three words of that proposed title are one of dozens of possible different versions, depending on whether one chooses person-first, identity-first, and other varieties. This is a complex topic that doesn't need to be decided here; just wanted to flag it in case you decide to create this article, that there may be a titling issue that needs to be addressed.) If that topic interests you, you could translate that one. If not, there are plenty of others.
Also, if you have a particular topic are you are interested in, you can specify a category to the tool; for example, if you are interested in the Mexican Revolution, you could ask the tool to list articles present in Spanish Wikipedia about the Mexican Revolution that are absent from English Wikipedia; there are 96 such articles. You could pick any one that interests you, and translate into English (or ask someone to translate it). The Querétaro conspiracy would make a great new article here, and looks interesting and important. Hope this helps, and let me know if you need help using the tool for some other language. Mathglot ( talk) 22:30, 18 January 2024 (UTC)
Hey Irtapil! We have crossed paths a few times in the past and I actually noticed your hatnote this morning and I wanted to see if you would be interested in helping out on Simple English Wikipedia. Simple English is a version of the English Wikipedia, but it is made in Basic English, so everyone can understand it. The targeted audience is people who are just learning English (English is not first language), children, and adults with learning disabilities.
Coincidental, I found Simple English Wikipedia fairly recently and you may be really interested in helping out. I’ve been writing basically all the articles related to the Red Sea Crisis as well as a couple of related with the 2023 Israel–Hamas war, including starting the article entirely for the USS Dwight D. Eisenhower as well as the article for the Battle of Re'im. I know you have an interest in the realm of the ongoing Middle East conflict, so I wanted to see if you would like to help out. On Simple English Wikipedia, I started a list of military operations during 2024, which has a couple of articles in need of improvements.
It is entirely up to you, but since you are interested in the ongoing conflicts as well as helping out on other branches of Wikipedia, Simple English Wikipedia may be for you! Anyway, that concludes my message and keep up the good work! Cheers! The Weather Event Writer ( Talk Page) 16:18, 19 January 2024 (UTC)
Please do not insert blank space between article content and explanatory notes or ref tags, as you did in this edit at 2023 Hamas-led attack on Israel. Examples:
:* 36 children {{efn| including 20 under 15
:* 36 children{{efn| including 20 under 15
:* 373 [[Israeli security forces|security forces]] <ref name="social security data"/>
:* 373 [[Israeli security forces|security forces]]<ref name="social security data"/>
Thanks, Mathglot ( talk) 03:07, 20 January 2024 (UTC)
Reading above it seems that you're a bit unsure about what counts as a revert. Please take a moment to review
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WP:1RR, specifically Any method of editing that has the practical effect of returning some or all of the page to a previous version counts as a reversion.
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methodmeans that any way you edit a page, whether it be using the undo link, rollback, twinkle, redwarn, ultraviolet, a manual edit, or any other way.
Never resembling any previous version of a page on any way would make editing completely impossible. And I am beginning to getting the impression that making editing impossible is the goal of the complainant above?The point is for the articles to be the result of consensus. Because of the long history of edit warring in the topic Arbcom has levied 1RR on the entire topic to force people to discuss, rather than revert. Generally, once something has become the stable (which varies in time, I've seen people say two weeks to six months in different discussions) it's not seen as a revert to change it. In many of the new articles about the current conflict there is no stable version.
Hello. Per WP:USERNOCAT, please remove all of your subpages from "mainspace" content categories, particularly those pertaining to the Israel–Hamas war. You may do this using either the WP:COLONTRICK or wrapping them in {{ Draft categories}}. Thank you. InfiniteNexus ( talk) 23:16, 20 January 2024 (UTC)
Hello @ Irtapil. Please refrain from introducing content to articles with citation needed tags in place of actual references, as you did here and here.
In these cases, you included comments on where you thought the appropriate references would be found, but if you don't want to locate the citations yourself, it's not reasonable to put the WP:BURDEN on other editors.
The burden to demonstrate verifiability lies with the editor who adds or restores material, and it is satisfied by providing an inline citation to a reliable source that directly supports the contribution.
From my experiences with you I know you're editing in good faith, but without context, others may consider this to be a form of disruptive editing. Per WP:EXCUSE,
These templates do not give a user free rein to make whatever claims they want without citing a source. By continuing to add uncited claims to articles with a "Citation needed" template, you are actually showing that you are well aware that your claims require verification, but simply don't care.
SaintPaulOfTarsus ( talk) 12:04, 21 January 2024 (UTC)
"By continuing to add uncited claims to articles with a "Citation needed" template, you are actually showing that you are well aware that your claims require verification, but simply don't care."that a CN with a URL in it is completely fine? and a CN with enough info that the ref i had in mind is the top Google hit (e.g. "Haaretz list of the dead") is not too bad?
Hi, I wanted to reply to your talk page message on List of engagements during the Israel–Hamas war but it looks like your last comment broke the talk page and I don't how to fix it. AA is Anadolu Agency. SaintPaulOfTarsus ( talk) 04:45, 22 January 2024 (UTC)
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went did that get as marked helped when nobody's replied? Irtapil ( talk) 07:36, 25 January 2024 (UTC)
am i allowed to contact other users about this? e.g. link it on their talk page?
are there any restrictions on who?
or how i can contact them?
also, am i allowed to reply to people in the discussion about me? or only in my statement area?
I know there is lots of general info on this, but I just want to make sure I have those couple of points clear.
Irtapil ( talk) 19:30, 24 January 2024 (UTC)
{{ tqb}}
My 2 cents, take a break from this topic area for a while and say that's what you are going to do at the board. Selfstudier ( talk) 16:44, 25 January 2024 (UTC)
Is there an efficient way to do a word count on this?
I thought i over but counting is kinda tricky as is copying into a word processor.
Does it include responses?
Do I understand correctly that this isn't in the 500?
I just want to reiterate that the "large amounts of material" I deleted was primarily empty columns." We have addressed that in detail already in numerous places.
I think I've deduced what you were getting at. Me jumping in on conversations you had with other people?
@ Galobtter am i allowed to reply to comments there? Irtapil ( talk) 19:21, 24 January 2024 (UTC)
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That 1199972170 edit of the UNRWA October 7 controversy article I have done was undid by someone saying non-ECP. I had to search what did he mean... :) When I finally logged in with my account I have found out that you have already restored it the next day. Thank you! How did you stumbled on this? I hope you do not have to just go through all of the history. Is there some tool for such rescuers? IHaveBecauseOfLocks ( talk) 10:13, 29 January 2024 (UTC)
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You have been sanctioned as a result of this discussion at WP:AE.
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Topic ban violations were entirely accidental. The first I noticed of the topic ban was when I was completely blocked. I have found the whole arbitration process extremely stressful, and I know I handled it rather poorly. But rules on things like "canvassing" have made it very hard to seek advice or support and left me feeling isolated and overwhelmed. In retrospect checking talk page messages diligently in case of news should have been obvious, but I think taking an hour or two to see a new messages is an oversight that definitely warrants a second chance. Addendum I was watching the arbitration itself more than my talk page, and when I double checked just then, nobody at all had commented there for 13 hours between me revising my statement as instructed and the block. I really didn't expect it to suddenly finish before anyone even commented on my revision? Irtapil ( talk) 01:50, 31 January 2024 (UTC)
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Hi Irtapil, we’re often on different sides of debates, but I have encountered you as an honest editor trying to follow the rules. I’m offering you my advice if you wish to utilise it. We wouldn’t discuss content but I think I can talk you through how you got to where you are from a rules perspective and what you can do to get out of the hole. I understand your comment about feeling isolated because of the canvassing restriction, I’ve felt that way myself. Talking to me or anyone else about how to get the ban lifted and not get further blocks should be ok as long as you make NO mention of the issues covered by the ban. Even now I think you can talk about this (ban lifting, no further blocking, but NOT the banned topic) on your talk page (I don’t think your access to this page has been taken away). If you’d rather consult with others I fully understand. Just know that I want you to remain on the project because I have found you to be someone honestly trying to improve the encyclopedia. Ayenaee ( talk) 23:27, 31 January 2024 (UTC)
Hi,
User:Irtapil. Thanks for your responses. To avoid confusion (for me at least) I think it’s better if I respond to all your comments above in one block, so here goes:
1. Archiving
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2. Comments on applying 1RR
3. Top message
4. My original email message
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Ayenaee Thank you.
Irtapil (
talk) 02:22, 28 March 2024 (UTC)
Do it manually: Create a page called User talk:Irtapil\Archive 1, and then cut and copy whatever you want to archive to that page,Thanks that sounds nice and simple. I'll do that if it gets so big that it gets glitchy.
Hi Irtapil, I prepared some material while you were thinking about how we could best communicate. I wiki coded it (as a table, I think in tables) and I don't think it’s personal so I’m putting it here. I think it’s important that you eat, sleep and dream the topics I cover. As BM pointed out, in GF and correctly, your first edit after your block expired was a breach of the ban. We don’t want that. So spend lots of time reviewing wiki policy before editing more. Anything you’re unsure of, please ask me, here or on email. You shouldn’t edit until you understand this stuff deeply. There are other things we should discuss related to the ban, but this the ground material you need to master first:
Issue | DON'T | DO | Why? |
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Feeling Panicked | DON'T PANIC! (not original advice from me 😃) | Stop editing for a while, even during a topic banning discussion. Do something else that that soothes you (I garden and play with my dogs). Remove yourself from the source of agitation and do other things which bring you happiness. | Your health and mental wellbeing are much more important than Wikipedia |
While Blocked | Edit the English Wikipedia IN ANY WAY. Don’t edit it while logged out as an IP user, don’t create another user name to evade the block, don’t ask anyone to edit for you. | Edit your user talk page only on issues related to your block. | You can be permanently blocked for trying to evade your block yourself or asking others to edit for you |
Edit any other Wikipedia sister project including commons | You are only blocked on the English Wikipedia. | ||
While topic banned | Edit any article or part of an article, or participate in any discussion, on the English Wikipedia which falls within the banned topic
very widely defined. Remember "widely defined" might mean that articles or parts of articles which seem to be outside the ban might be considered within it. If you’re unsure whether or not you can edit something, assume you can’t. Some examples tailored to your interests (not exhaustive):
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Edit those articles or parts of articles in the English Wikipedia in your other areas of interest outside the topic ban widely defined | Even making a mistake in this regard can get you blocked for longer periods or indefinitely |
Edit any article on any topic on any other Wikipedia sister project including commons. But remember the reasons you were topic banned on en.wiki and don't repeat them elsewhere. | You are only topic banned on the English Wikipedia. | ||
General Editing | Revert, even if you’re allowed to | Apply 0RR and take any issues you have to the talk page. If consensus is against you move on. If a user is obstructive take it to AN/I or AE. But think very hard if it’s worth the emotional effort before doing this, and consider that the process can turn on you, and you can get sanctioned instead of the editor you’re reporting. It’s better to stay off the drama boards, always but especially when you’re banned. Remember changing anything inserted by another editor counts as a revert even if you don’t edit all that editors insertions. | Go further than required to avoid mistakes |
Add any content requiring citation directly into article space without a corresponding citation | Edit the content in your sandbox or draft space which allows you longer to find citations. Only move it to article space together with citations, even if this is more complicated on your device. | For the time (even where short) while the uncited content exists on Wikipedia it causes other editors to be confused and angry especially in contentious topic areas. | |
Edit anything, including discussions, anywhere just because: 1. Someone else you like / don’t like is editing it, or 2. Someone else asked you to get involved |
Always have your own reason for participation or editing | (1) can be seen as harrasment and (2) as meat puppeting | |
Comment in any way on another user or what you believe their motives are, or attack them in any personal way. This always applies, but especially if you don’t like there edits or them personally, or you feel you may be losing an argument | Always assume good faith, and address the content, policy, or issue under consideration, not other editors | Assuming an editor is doing something wrong, or calling them out for their behavior (anywhere except AN/AE) breaches the policies relating to assuming good faith on the behalf of other editors, and not attacking other editors personally | |
Get involved in background processes (AN/I, AE, AfD, etc.) unless you are really involved. Especially don’t get involved in any process against another editor unless you are directly involved, and don’t bring other issues you might have with an editor into that process | Stay away from drama boards | It’s always better to sort out issues one-on-one than too publicly drag someone through the mud | |
Uncertain of rule application | 1. Edit anyway in the way you think is right 2. Ask or prompt other editors to get involved. 3. Ask other editors who might get involved for advice |
Ask a trusted user who you now is not and does not want get involved for advice. Once they give you advice they can no longer participate in the issue | (1) will probably lead to errors because rule applications can be complex, and (2) and (3) are canvassing |
Getting unbanned | Ask for an unban too soon | Wait until time has passed and emotions have cooled, show that you can edit successfully in other parts of Wikipedia, prepare a good concise justification as to why the community can trust you again. SFR noted at the AE that he normally imposes CTOP TBANs for 3-6 months and 500-100 edits to allow the banned editor to gain more experience before editing CTOPs again. I think the 6 month / 1000 edit count guidance should be your target, with a review at 3 months / 500 edit count to determine if that can be shortened. Note that the process for unbanning is different from unblocking, but we can discuss that nearer the time. | if your request doesn’t cover the issues required by policies it will be rejected, wasting your and admin time |
Don’t Edit anywhere unless | You have read several times, questioned and understood how to apply the following policies and guidelines:
THE SUMMARIES ARE ONLY A STARTING POINT, YOU NEED TO UNDERSTAND THE DETAIL AND HOW TO APPLY IT |
Ayenaee ( talk) 19:11, 8 February 2024 (UTC)
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01:07, 8 February 2024 at Palestinian political violence and 01:14, 8 February 2024 at Category:Palestinian political violence are topic ban violations; please keep in mind that the topic ban is broadly construed, even uncontroversial categorization of in-scope articles is a violation.
I also believe that 03:59, 8 February 2024 at User:Irtapil/List of engagements TABLES is a violation; I wouldn't have mentioned it - or even noticed it - absent the Palestinian political violence edit, but my understanding is that the topic ban applies to pages in the user space, and that user space page is related to the Israel-Palestine conflict.
Please be more careful in the future. BilledMammal ( talk) 07:35, 8 February 2024 (UTC)
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You may want to consider Help:Archiving (plain and simple). Could save some people some scrolling. Gråbergs Gråa Sång ( talk) 12:32, 14 March 2024 (UTC)
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bons mots 17:46, 19 April 2024 (UTC)I would be happy to set up page archiving for you if you would like. Let me know. Mathglot ( talk) 04:47, 23 April 2024 (UTC)