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Here it is written that "Al-Arouri was responsible for the 2014 kidnapping and murder of Israeli teenagers" and that is sourced to six sources. All of them is from when al-Arouri said in a conference in Turkey that Hamas' military wing kidnapped them. If Hamas was involved or not was a central question so it is impossible to have missed that Hamas denied responsibility. This is a perfect example of when only one side of the story is told and the other one is left out. One doesn't even have to search much to see doubts being raised about Saleh al-Arouri's claim, you can just look in the the Wikipedia article 2014 kidnapping and murder of Israeli teenagers and see several of them. One of them is from Haaretz, where Amos Harel and Chaim Levinson write "After the bodies were found, Arouri boasted about the kidnapping. But the defense establishment believes this was empty boasting, and that he had nothing to do with the plot". -- IRISZOOM ( talk) 20:58, 11 September 2015 (UTC)
I have updated the article to clarify what the sources are reporting and added the Haaretz article. Another related article is Shin Bet Seeks Lenient Plea Deals for Hamas Operatives to Avoid Testifying About Torture Methods. -- IRISZOOM ( talk) 16:56, 25 October 2015 (UTC)
It's worth noting that the "precision airstrike" that killed al-Arouri also killed at least three other people: https://today.lorientlejour.com/article/1362776/four-hezbollah-fighters-killed-in-southern-lebanon-as-israeli-strikes-continue-day-88-of-hamas-israel-war.html
https://www.arabnews.com/node/2435271/middle-east
Could someone with more points add that in?
MattressSmith ( talk) 17:08, 2 January 2024 (UTC)
The source does not claim that Israel killed this terrorist. They claim that security forces have said he was killed by an Israeli drone. Also he was not killed in 2023 and also not in Israel or Gaza. Please fix. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 77.63.109.50 ( talk) 18:59, 2 January 2024 (UTC)
@ Vice regent you removed some content, I understand you may this it's undue, but at least move it to body instead of deleting completely. Homerethegreat ( talk) 18:05, 2 January 2024 (UTC)
Any claims attributing October 7 attacks to him need WP:EXCEPTIONAL sources. Because he is recently deceased WP:BLP could apply. Any blame will likely need to be attributed. He was not in the Gaza Strip on October 7. The NYT says that "Hamas's own political leaders outside Gaza were also surprised by [the Oct 7 attacks]." VR talk 18:05, 2 January 2024 (UTC)
Al Arouri being on the US terror list has been removed from the lead, I think it's WP:DUE information to be in the lead. Homerethegreat ( talk) 18:26, 2 January 2024 (UTC)
The lead currently says "He was described as Iran's man inside Hamas." But that is nowhere to be found in the article. It should be moved to the body. VR talk 18:52, 2 January 2024 (UTC)
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Add a space between "with" and "Israeli" in the second sentence of the lead section. Udi Levy, who has worked for over 30 years withIsraeli intelligence, described al-Arouri as "Iran's man inside Hamas" SSchiavon 00:45, 3 January 2024 (UTC)
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His nationality can't be Palestinian as there is no such country or tribe and never has been. 2406:2D40:204E:D10:CC42:A3F9:AF62:13EE ( talk) 01:26, 3 January 2024 (UTC)
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talk)Ping me! 03:25, 3 January 2024 (UTC)On 2 January 2024, al-Arouri was assassinated in the Dahieh neighborhood of Beirut through a precision airstrike conducted by (Allegedly) the Israeli military. 173.71.79.21 ( talk) 04:26, 3 January 2024 (UTC)
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Request for the last sentence of the article precision drone attack conducted by the Israeli military to be removed as it is left over from an earlier edit and the aerial strike has hence already been mentioned in the first sentence of the paragraph. Not stating anything about whether the ''by the Israeli military'' should be included or not, just stating that the sentence structure does not work like this within the paragraph. Romeowth ( talk) 18:13, 4 January 2024 (UTC)
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On 2 January 2024, Arouri, 57, was assassinated in the Dahieh neighborhood of Beirut by an airstrike.<ref name="death"> "Explosion hits southern Beirut, killing Hamas official Saleh al-Arouri". Thisismyeditingaccount ( talk) 04:36, 6 January 2024 (UTC)
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In Saleh_al-Arouri#Later_life_and_assassination, one reads: "The assassination, which also killed five other individuals"; it should read "six other individuals" per Assassination of Saleh al-Arouri and the sources in that article ( Reuters, BBC). Automatik ( talk) 00:17, 7 January 2024 (UTC)
Propose to merge Assassination of Saleh al-Arouri into this article, specifically the Saleh_al-Arouri#Later_life_and_assassination section. The separate assassination article was originally created as 2024 Beirut explosion, before it was known that had actually transpired and the article name was changed. Not seeing what's inherently notable about the assassination that would preclude this information just being included on Saleh al-Arouri's main page. Having separate pages also just invites inconsistencies between the two pages as more reporting comes out. Longhornsg ( talk) 22:39, 11 January 2024 (UTC)
when Israeli broke sovereignty of a Lebanon and escalated their aggression by bombing an apartment block in Lebanon in which others were also murdered 79.77.98.28 ( talk) 22:16, 20 January 2024 (UTC)
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Here it is written that "Al-Arouri was responsible for the 2014 kidnapping and murder of Israeli teenagers" and that is sourced to six sources. All of them is from when al-Arouri said in a conference in Turkey that Hamas' military wing kidnapped them. If Hamas was involved or not was a central question so it is impossible to have missed that Hamas denied responsibility. This is a perfect example of when only one side of the story is told and the other one is left out. One doesn't even have to search much to see doubts being raised about Saleh al-Arouri's claim, you can just look in the the Wikipedia article 2014 kidnapping and murder of Israeli teenagers and see several of them. One of them is from Haaretz, where Amos Harel and Chaim Levinson write "After the bodies were found, Arouri boasted about the kidnapping. But the defense establishment believes this was empty boasting, and that he had nothing to do with the plot". -- IRISZOOM ( talk) 20:58, 11 September 2015 (UTC)
I have updated the article to clarify what the sources are reporting and added the Haaretz article. Another related article is Shin Bet Seeks Lenient Plea Deals for Hamas Operatives to Avoid Testifying About Torture Methods. -- IRISZOOM ( talk) 16:56, 25 October 2015 (UTC)
It's worth noting that the "precision airstrike" that killed al-Arouri also killed at least three other people: https://today.lorientlejour.com/article/1362776/four-hezbollah-fighters-killed-in-southern-lebanon-as-israeli-strikes-continue-day-88-of-hamas-israel-war.html
https://www.arabnews.com/node/2435271/middle-east
Could someone with more points add that in?
MattressSmith ( talk) 17:08, 2 January 2024 (UTC)
The source does not claim that Israel killed this terrorist. They claim that security forces have said he was killed by an Israeli drone. Also he was not killed in 2023 and also not in Israel or Gaza. Please fix. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 77.63.109.50 ( talk) 18:59, 2 January 2024 (UTC)
@ Vice regent you removed some content, I understand you may this it's undue, but at least move it to body instead of deleting completely. Homerethegreat ( talk) 18:05, 2 January 2024 (UTC)
Any claims attributing October 7 attacks to him need WP:EXCEPTIONAL sources. Because he is recently deceased WP:BLP could apply. Any blame will likely need to be attributed. He was not in the Gaza Strip on October 7. The NYT says that "Hamas's own political leaders outside Gaza were also surprised by [the Oct 7 attacks]." VR talk 18:05, 2 January 2024 (UTC)
Al Arouri being on the US terror list has been removed from the lead, I think it's WP:DUE information to be in the lead. Homerethegreat ( talk) 18:26, 2 January 2024 (UTC)
The lead currently says "He was described as Iran's man inside Hamas." But that is nowhere to be found in the article. It should be moved to the body. VR talk 18:52, 2 January 2024 (UTC)
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Add a space between "with" and "Israeli" in the second sentence of the lead section. Udi Levy, who has worked for over 30 years withIsraeli intelligence, described al-Arouri as "Iran's man inside Hamas" SSchiavon 00:45, 3 January 2024 (UTC)
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His nationality can't be Palestinian as there is no such country or tribe and never has been. 2406:2D40:204E:D10:CC42:A3F9:AF62:13EE ( talk) 01:26, 3 January 2024 (UTC)
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talk)Ping me! 03:25, 3 January 2024 (UTC)On 2 January 2024, al-Arouri was assassinated in the Dahieh neighborhood of Beirut through a precision airstrike conducted by (Allegedly) the Israeli military. 173.71.79.21 ( talk) 04:26, 3 January 2024 (UTC)
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Request for the last sentence of the article precision drone attack conducted by the Israeli military to be removed as it is left over from an earlier edit and the aerial strike has hence already been mentioned in the first sentence of the paragraph. Not stating anything about whether the ''by the Israeli military'' should be included or not, just stating that the sentence structure does not work like this within the paragraph. Romeowth ( talk) 18:13, 4 January 2024 (UTC)
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On 2 January 2024, Arouri, 57, was assassinated in the Dahieh neighborhood of Beirut by an airstrike.<ref name="death"> "Explosion hits southern Beirut, killing Hamas official Saleh al-Arouri". Thisismyeditingaccount ( talk) 04:36, 6 January 2024 (UTC)
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In Saleh_al-Arouri#Later_life_and_assassination, one reads: "The assassination, which also killed five other individuals"; it should read "six other individuals" per Assassination of Saleh al-Arouri and the sources in that article ( Reuters, BBC). Automatik ( talk) 00:17, 7 January 2024 (UTC)
Propose to merge Assassination of Saleh al-Arouri into this article, specifically the Saleh_al-Arouri#Later_life_and_assassination section. The separate assassination article was originally created as 2024 Beirut explosion, before it was known that had actually transpired and the article name was changed. Not seeing what's inherently notable about the assassination that would preclude this information just being included on Saleh al-Arouri's main page. Having separate pages also just invites inconsistencies between the two pages as more reporting comes out. Longhornsg ( talk) 22:39, 11 January 2024 (UTC)
when Israeli broke sovereignty of a Lebanon and escalated their aggression by bombing an apartment block in Lebanon in which others were also murdered 79.77.98.28 ( talk) 22:16, 20 January 2024 (UTC)