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Arbitration case pages (indeed, all pages) that you create are showing up in Special:NewPages as needing review and with red flags on Special:Watchlist. This clearly is not necessary, so…
Hi Bradv, I just wanted to let you know that I have added the "autopatrolled" permission to your account, as you have created numerous, valid articles. This feature will have no effect on your editing, and is simply intended to reduce the workload on new page patrollers. For more information on the autopatrolled right, see Wikipedia:Autopatrolled. Feel free to leave me a message if you have any questions. Happy editing! AGK ■ 21:37, 9 June 2019 (UTC)
Please see Wikipedia talk:Arbitration/Requests/Case/Antisemitism in Poland. I'd hope that renaming this to a neutral name could be done speedily and with little fuss. Cheers, -- Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 10:24, 10 June 2019 (UTC)
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Icewhiz moved my evidence on the page [1]. Is it possible to move it back, please? Thanks, My very best wishes ( talk) 13:48, 10 June 2019 (UTC)
So how much time do we have exactly? Or at least approximately. I got to clean the litter box (sifting sand from cat poop is somehow a more appealing endeavor than dealing with this nonsense) and run errands and I don't want to get my evidence all chopped up. Assuming I have the word limit extension, I think I'm about 120 words over currently. Which I can trim, just... don't want my evidence to get all chopped up by clerks. Volunteer Marek ( talk) 20:32, 22 June 2019 (UTC)
July 2019, Volume 5, Issue 7, Numbers 107, 108, 126, 127, 128
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Hello Bradv,
More new features are being added to the feed, including the important red alert for previously deleted pages. This will only work if it is selected in your filters. Best is to 'select all'. Do take a moment to check out all the new features if you have not already done so. If anything is not working as it should, please let us know at NPR. There is now also a live queue of AfC submissions in the New Pages Feed. Feel free to review AfCs, but bear in mind that NPP is an official process and policy and is more important.
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Hi Bradv! I'm a bit unclear on procedure and was hoping I could ask you to clarify. As the vote currently stands, would the Signpost filing be heading towards a case? I would have thought five accept votes constituted "an absolute majority of active, non-recused arbitrators" (five out of nine?) but I'm really a newbie at this so I may have got this wrong in any number of ways. Haukur ( talk) 21:02, 6 July 2019 (UTC)
The feedback request service is asking for participation in this request for comment on Talk:Electric smoking system. Legobot ( talk) 04:25, 15 July 2019 (UTC)
The copied material is from uscg.mil , which I think is a US government site, so the article is PD-USGOV. If you disagree, let me know, and why. DGG ( talk ) 04:43, 17 July 2019 (UTC)
I look forward to your collaborative efforts on the lede of the Wikipedia article which is currently badly out of date. Let's try to be collaborative. I saw you are frustrated with the foundation & are an ArbCom clerk unless I'm mistaken. Is this a COI? Are you sure you are the best placed person to decide how to edit this page neutrally? A very recent edit summary on your userpage: "enough. Email me when the WMF takes steps to actually fix this place instead of destroy it." Best, 🌿 SashiRolls t · c 15:34, 20 July 2019 (UTC)
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what's currently going on at Criticism of Wikipedia, I'm not getting any response from SashiRolls, thanks Roger (Dodger67) ( talk) 17:35, 20 July 2019 (UTC)
Hey - saw that Superlinks got several new links. Nice job, and they look very useful! Thank you again for making the script. Enterprisey ( talk!) 21:14, 21 July 2019 (UTC)
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When I checked her edit history. I noticed that your proposed delation tag was removed by Swii99.They also reverted an edit ever wikilnking to Doug Ford page.What should be done? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 64.231.69.110 ( talk) 21:11, 23 July 2019 (UTC)
Our page was put up for speedy deletion for "allegedly promoting" the company, and also we were told to make a curation around what the media and notable platforms say about our platform and we did just that, and mentioned nothing about services or anything advertorial or promotional, kindly check it out and see, kindly compare the content to activity and see what im saying, the platform in general is not a usual type and it is also pretty notable and of high trustworthiness in its industry and part of the world. We'd love to hear good news, thanks alot.
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how many people do that on this side of the world? rarely happens, its even seen as something you have to be given rights to do, so people hardly engage in it unless expressly given permission to
and please dont get us wrong, we arent using Wiki for promotion, thats why there was no promotional context, we understand fully well the rules and implications
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Hi Bradv. Just a heads-up that for today's WP:ACN announcement, ArbClerkBot correctly added the talk page section's links but it didn't do the appropriate steps for the project page section. Regards, AGK ■ 10:42, 28 July 2019 (UTC)
August 2019, Volume 5, Issue 7, Numbers 107, 108, 126, 129, 130, 131
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Regards, AGK ■ 08:58, 4 August 2019 (UTC)
You already have my support – not that you need it – but I thought I'd share with you a view on the relationship between subject-specific guidelines (SNGs) and WP:GNG.
It's a truism that some subjects, such as sportspeople or entertainers, attract a disproportionate share of attention in the media; while other subjects, such as academics, are underrepresented in our mainstream press.
If you then examine the reasons why we have SNGs, you find two extremes:
SNGs like WP:NFOOTY are of the first type, but although they give a strong indication that the subject is notable, it is still possible to argue in an AfD that they do not meet GNG if no sources can be found. So NFOOTY is not a replacement for GNG. We have no need to increase the number of articles about footballers as we already have plenty of coverage.
SNGs like WP:NPROF are of the second type, and we allow a subject who meets one of the alternative criteria for academics to be presumed notable. In these cases, NPROF is a replacement for GNG because we want to counter the bias in our coverage caused by a lack of mainstream sources for these subjects. Of course, we still have to find sources to write the article, but we are freed from the burden of finding sufficient sources to satisfy GNG.
Now, that's just one take on the issue, but it has a logic behind it which allows it to be extended to other SNGs. I hope it helps you when considering how SNGs ought to relate to the GNG. Cheers -- RexxS ( talk) 18:33, 6 August 2019 (UTC)
"help improve the encyclopedia and achieve its vision"
Thank you for quality articles such as Derrick Barnes and Blanket exercise, for dealing with articles for creation and deletion, for "indispensable" clerk services, for strike as protest against destruction but getting back to work, for "help improve the encyclopedia and achieve its vision", - Brad, you are an awesome Wikipedian!
You are recipient no. 2263 of Precious, a prize of QAI. -- Gerda Arendt ( talk) 09:48, 8 August 2019 (UTC)
Congratulations Bradv! Your RfA was successful. You are now an administrator on the English Wikipedia. I hope you have just as happy a time editing in the future as you did before your RfA. You may want to look at the admin guide to read up on any tools you are unfamiliar with. |
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Congrats on becoming an admin and thank you for blocking that IP @ Joseph Efford. JudeccaXIII ( talk) 19:51, 11 August 2019 (UTC) |
I see you are already making use of the tools at RFPP which does not hurt my feelings :). With that said, if I do anything questionable please let me know. Thanks!
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Bradv, I really think you've been deceived by the way James Martin (priest, born 1960) is written. The article purports to present a balanced view of fair criticisms, but if you read the underlying sources, you'll see right away that Thucyd has simply quote-mined them to find snippets that seem to be providing fair criticism of Father Martin, when in context they are part of articles that are actually about a campaign by extremist anti-LGBT organizations to discredit Father Martin.
Consider this example. Thucyd cites a NYT article for the following proposition: "According to journalist Frank Bruni, Martin did not "explicitly reject Church teaching" but question the language of the doctrine describing homosexuality as "intrinsically disordered"." Now look at what the article actually says:
Check out the websites and Twitter accounts of far-right Catholic groups and you’ll see why. To them Father Martin is “sick,” “wicked,” “a filthy liar,” “the smoke of Satan” and a “heretic” on a fast track to “eternal damnation.” They obsessively stalk him and passionately exhort churchgoers to protest his public appearances or prevent them from happening altogether.
And they succeed. After the New Jersey parish in which his remarks were supposed to be delivered was inundated with angry phone calls, the event was moved off church grounds. Father Martin will give his spectacularly uncontroversial talk — “Jesus Christ: Fully Human, Fully Divine” — at a secular conference center in a nearby town. Why all this drama? What’s Father Martin’s unconscionable sin? In his most recent book, “Building a Bridge,” which was published in June, he calls on Catholics to show L.G.B.T. people more respect and compassion than many of them have demonstrated in the past.
That’s all. That’s it. He doesn’t say that the church should bless gay marriage or gay adoption. He doesn’t explicitly reject church teaching, which prescribes chastity for gay men and lesbians, though he questions the language — “intrinsically disordered” — with which it describes homosexuality. But that hasn’t stopped his detractors from casting him as a terrifying enemy of the faith — Regan in “The Exorcist” and Damien in “The Omen” rolled together and grown up into a balding and bespectacled Jesuit — and silencing him whenever they can. A talk about Jesus that he was supposed to give in London last fall was canceled. So was a similar talk at the Theological College of the Catholic University of America.
And the vitriol to which he has been subjected is breathtaking, a reminder not just of how much homophobia is still out there but also of how presumptuous, overwrought, cruel and destructive discourse in this digital age can be. “Inexcusably ugly” was how the Roman Catholic archbishop of Philadelphia, Charles Chaput, described the attacks on Father Martin in an essay for the Catholic journal First Things in September. Archbishop Chaput is no progressive, but still he was moved to write that “the bitterness directed at the person of Father Martin is not just unwarranted and unjust; it’s a destructive counter-witness to the Gospel.” He cited a recent article in a French publication with the headline “Catholic Cyber-Militias and the New Censorship,” observing, “We live at a time when civility is universally longed for and just as universally (and too often gleefully) violated.”
After Bishop Robert McElroy of San Diego published a similar defense of Father Martin in the Jesuit magazine America, one of Father Martin’s devoted inquisitors tweeted: “If you think the anti-sodomite bigotry in the church is bad, you should see hell.”
Do you see how this article is actually about the homophobic bigots who are attacking Father Martin, but Thucyd has quote-mined it in a way that attempts to paint a critical view of Father Martin? Is this acceptable per WP:BLP? -- PluniaZ ( talk) 19:26, 13 August 2019 (UTC)
Bradv, I've written a neutral description of the book here that describes the critical reception of the book by reputable institutions instead of homophobic bigots and requested an RfC on the change. Please change the section to this neutral version pending the outcome of the RfC. -- PluniaZ ( talk) 01:25, 14 August 2019 (UTC)
The feedback request service is asking for participation in this request for comment on Talk:William Barr. Legobot ( talk) 04:27, 14 August 2019 (UTC)
There is currently a discussion at Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard regarding an issue with which you may have been involved. Thank you.-- PluniaZ ( talk) 01:41, 14 August 2019 (UTC)
Indeed I'm not the author however as explained in the edit summary A) the user is indeffed and B) this was the last edited version, I wondered if G6 would've been better but either way this still should've been deleted. – Davey2010 Talk 17:09, 13 August 2019 (UTC)
You are involved in a recently filed request for arbitration. Please review the request at Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case#James Martin (priest, born 1960) and, if you wish to do so, enter your statement and any other material you wish to submit to the Arbitration Committee. As threaded discussion is not permitted on most arbitration pages, please ensure that you make all comments in your own section only. Additionally, the guide to arbitration and the Arbitration Committee's procedures may be of use.
Thanks,
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Hi, Your recent removal of my edit on the Texans for Vaccine Choice [2] seems very one-sided, as the current descriptive summary is far from "neutral", not to mention far from true. Please replace my edit to this page as it literally came from the groups' web page.
Respectfully, TXTruthFinder TXTruthFinder ( talk) 16:40, 14 August 2019 (UTC)8/14/19
bradv 🍁, Does that mean the sources that are cited within the page aren't already enough evidence that TFVC is a neutral group, not an "anti-vaccine" group? Most of the articles either show them defending liberties or are one-sided opinion articles aimed against the group. I hardly find that "neutral" opinion.
Furthermore, if a group or person does not have the right to define themselves, then who does? — Preceding unsigned comment added by TXTruthFinder ( talk • contribs) 17:29, 14 August 2019 (UTC)
bradv 🍁, I hope you realize that those are likely the one-sided opinion article that I was referring to. Opinions are known to be un-factual from time to time. However, I can see how if someone with a peanut allergy was resisting eating peanut butter they might appear to be anti-peanut butter. No article infers that they want to take vaccines away, even remotely. That would definitely be anti-vaccine, but they don't. I hope you can be open-minded enough to at least see my point. TXTruthFinder ( talk) 18:15, 14 August 2019 (UTC)
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Congratulations on setting the new record on the fastest a new admin was taken to ArbCom! Kevin (aka L235 · t · c) 20:04, 14 August 2019 (UTC) |
Hi - I'm sorry about this, it looks like another revdel will be needed after the ones you just did per my request on IRC. I'm not sure how I managed to botch the revert twice, but the last edit of mine still has the troublesome assertion in it. Drdpw has tidied up after me, their revision seems clean. GirthSummit (blether) 03:22, 15 August 2019 (UTC)
In regard to this, I was in the process of indefinitely blocking them as a vandalism only account when your block kicked in. How generously optimistic of you! Also, welcome to the corps. N.J.A. | talk 15:24, 15 August 2019 (UTC)
Hi Brad, my belated congratulations/condolences on becoming an administrator. I noticed you've been acting as a patrolling administrator at SPI. It's much appreciated. One suggestion: when you block and tag a sock, you can also close the report (assuming there's nothing else to do). Patrolling admins are not allowed to archive reports, but they can close them. It's a small thing, but it saves someone else from having to do it. Let me know if you have any questions. Thanks again! -- Bbb23 ( talk) 15:40, 15 August 2019 (UTC)
Hi Bradv. Would you take a second look at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Doug Lewis (Royal Navy officer). The whole thing, to me, hinges on an understanding of WP:SOLDIER, as those advocating for keep are using that guideline as their main rationale. Would you glance back and see if you agree, at first, with that assessment. If you do, would you then take a look at Wikipedia:WikiProject_Military_history/Notability_guide#People (WP:SOLDIER) and see if you agree that the criteria in that guideline indicates the possibility of someone being notable, and that the criteria needs to be read in conjunction with the supporting notes, particularly "those who are only mentioned in passing in reliable secondary sources should not be considered notable for the purposes of a stand-alone article", and refer back to the RfD where both Icewhiz and myself raised awareness that WP:SOLDIER only indicates likely notability, and that "significant coverage in multiple verifiable independent, reliable sources" is still required. And would you then check the sources in the article, to see if any of them meet the requirement for "significant coverage in multiple verifiable independent, reliable sources", and - if you wish, if you find none - do your own search for such sources. While it is assumed that someone who is a flag officer will have enough notability to generate general interest to provide "significant coverage in multiple verifiable independent, reliable sources" and so an article can be created and sources found later, in those cases where after the article has been created, sufficient sources are not found, and the article has been challenged, that on being challenged and still insufficient sources found, the article will be removed. I will watch your talkpage so you can respond here. And, congrats on being given the mop! SilkTork ( talk) 11:44, 12 August 2019 (UTC)
"The key to determining notability is ultimately coverage in independent sources per the general notability guideline, although the following is provided to give a general understanding of who, or what, is likely to meet the site-wide notability requirements for creation as a stand-alone article."). When GNG is challenged on a SOLDIER-passing individual (or a NFOOTY-passing individual (an actual guideline, but also only a presumption of GNG)) - one still has to locate sources or at least indicate why sources are likely to be available (e.g. for non-English individual with hard to find online sources). In this case - there isn't a single source in the article that was reliable+secondary+indetph+independent (it's all connected organizations, and much of it is in passing - short blurbs in non-independent primary sources). Icewhiz ( talk) 11:59, 12 August 2019 (UTC)
a well-known and significant award or honor, per ANYBIO #1. The AfD did not reach consensus on this point. The lack of significant coverage is a concern, but the sources do appear to be sufficient to support the main claims of notability. Given the lack of clarity around whether a CBE qualifies for ANYBIO and the current discussion around whether a Commodore qualifies per SOLDIER, I don't see how this could be closed any other way. – bradv 🍁 12:50, 12 August 2019 (UTC)
"People are likely to be notable if they meet any of the following standards. Failure to meet these criteria is not conclusive proof that a subject should not be included; conversely, meeting one or more does not guarantee that a subject should be included."- so again likely notability - but it does not supersede WP:BASIC (was is essentially WP:GNG). Myself - if there was one or two decent RSes (independent, secondary, good reputation, in depth) - coupled with these likely indications - it possibly would've swung me to Keep. However - in this case this is a bio with zero decent sources for an English speaking subject during the internet age - and in a long AfD - no one was able to pony up sources (and I looked extensively myself as well). Icewhiz ( talk) 13:06, 12 August 2019 (UTC)
Brad, diff from 15 August is a personal attack by Volunteer Marek on the case page. VM has already been warned regaeding personal attacks on the case page. I request this personal attack be dealt with by the clerking team and/or ARBCOM. It would also be nice if the continued HOUNDing could be dealt with as well (more than half of VM's edits in the past few months are dedicated to following me) - but the personal attack and incivility here is very clear cut. Icewhiz ( talk) 04:13, 16 August 2019 (UTC)
No. This is beyond the pale. In this comment Icewhiz accused me of trying to "silence LGBT voices". That is a disgusting, false, uncalled for, low-down, and deeply upsetting accusation. And he made it without any basis. It's just horrible to say something like that about somebody. And no, I am not going to apologize for using strong language to emphasize that point. What the hell? Do you really expect me to sit there and let him say crap like that about me? Furthermore, this is par for the course for Icewhiz, who has also made disgusting insinuation in his request for the case about me (trying to associate me with Holcoaust denial) and who then even tried to sneak that kind of crap into his evidence (until I called him out on it and he redacted).
ANY person who pulls stuff like that should be indef banned from Wikipedia. Who does stuff like this? And who lets the get away with it? This is online bullying and harassment and you are facilitating and enabling it. And to make worse, Icewhiz, after making his provocative insults, comes running to clerks or admins and plays the victim and engages in obnoxious block shopping.
I am genuinely at a loss of how to explain that you guys (meaning the clerks, as well as the ArbCom members) have allowed him to get away with stuff like this. As far as the comment about his "crusade" there's like five gazzillion bytes of material in the evidence section, from both myself and other editors to support that. There's another couple gazzillion bytes in the Workshop section. Let ArbCom decide whether the charge has any merit. An ArbCom case is not an edit summary. Volunteer Marek ( talk) 06:26, 16 August 2019 (UTC)
And Bradv, I can't believe you actually wrote "I understand these comments can be hurtful" to ... Icewhiz. Wth? You know what's freakin' hurtful? Being accused of "silencing LGBT voices". Being associated wit Holocaust revisionism. Having someone blatantly lie about you over and over and over again. THAT is fucking hurtful. Not somebody replying to such smears with a couple angry words.
Get your fucking priorities straight!!! Volunteer Marek ( talk) 06:49, 16 August 2019 (UTC)
The request for arbitration James Martin (priest, born 1960) has been declined by the committee. The arbitrators' comments about the request can be viewed here. SQL Query me! 04:27, 17 August 2019 (UTC)
Hi! I was browsing AIV when I saw Special:Diff/911178450. I definitely still have a lot to learn about AIV, so I was wondering why the account didn't get indeffed as a vandalism-only account? Thanks! Enterprisey ( talk!) 04:48, 17 August 2019 (UTC)
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Arbitration case pages (indeed, all pages) that you create are showing up in Special:NewPages as needing review and with red flags on Special:Watchlist. This clearly is not necessary, so…
Hi Bradv, I just wanted to let you know that I have added the "autopatrolled" permission to your account, as you have created numerous, valid articles. This feature will have no effect on your editing, and is simply intended to reduce the workload on new page patrollers. For more information on the autopatrolled right, see Wikipedia:Autopatrolled. Feel free to leave me a message if you have any questions. Happy editing! AGK ■ 21:37, 9 June 2019 (UTC)
Please see Wikipedia talk:Arbitration/Requests/Case/Antisemitism in Poland. I'd hope that renaming this to a neutral name could be done speedily and with little fuss. Cheers, -- Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 10:24, 10 June 2019 (UTC)
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Icewhiz moved my evidence on the page [1]. Is it possible to move it back, please? Thanks, My very best wishes ( talk) 13:48, 10 June 2019 (UTC)
So how much time do we have exactly? Or at least approximately. I got to clean the litter box (sifting sand from cat poop is somehow a more appealing endeavor than dealing with this nonsense) and run errands and I don't want to get my evidence all chopped up. Assuming I have the word limit extension, I think I'm about 120 words over currently. Which I can trim, just... don't want my evidence to get all chopped up by clerks. Volunteer Marek ( talk) 20:32, 22 June 2019 (UTC)
July 2019, Volume 5, Issue 7, Numbers 107, 108, 126, 127, 128
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I am sorry that you are no longer contributing to Wikipedia. I think that your body of work is exemplary, particularly within unseen behind-the-scenes processes that keep Wikipedia working. My sincere hope is that you find in the future that you are prepared to take down your retirement banner and return to the community. Should that not happen, you have my warmest wishes for wherever life takes you. AGK ■ 17:05, 28 June 2019 (UTC) |
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Hi Bradv! I'm a bit unclear on procedure and was hoping I could ask you to clarify. As the vote currently stands, would the Signpost filing be heading towards a case? I would have thought five accept votes constituted "an absolute majority of active, non-recused arbitrators" (five out of nine?) but I'm really a newbie at this so I may have got this wrong in any number of ways. Haukur ( talk) 21:02, 6 July 2019 (UTC)
The feedback request service is asking for participation in this request for comment on Talk:Electric smoking system. Legobot ( talk) 04:25, 15 July 2019 (UTC)
The copied material is from uscg.mil , which I think is a US government site, so the article is PD-USGOV. If you disagree, let me know, and why. DGG ( talk ) 04:43, 17 July 2019 (UTC)
I look forward to your collaborative efforts on the lede of the Wikipedia article which is currently badly out of date. Let's try to be collaborative. I saw you are frustrated with the foundation & are an ArbCom clerk unless I'm mistaken. Is this a COI? Are you sure you are the best placed person to decide how to edit this page neutrally? A very recent edit summary on your userpage: "enough. Email me when the WMF takes steps to actually fix this place instead of destroy it." Best, 🌿 SashiRolls t · c 15:34, 20 July 2019 (UTC)
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what's currently going on at Criticism of Wikipedia, I'm not getting any response from SashiRolls, thanks Roger (Dodger67) ( talk) 17:35, 20 July 2019 (UTC)
Hey - saw that Superlinks got several new links. Nice job, and they look very useful! Thank you again for making the script. Enterprisey ( talk!) 21:14, 21 July 2019 (UTC)
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When I checked her edit history. I noticed that your proposed delation tag was removed by Swii99.They also reverted an edit ever wikilnking to Doug Ford page.What should be done? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 64.231.69.110 ( talk) 21:11, 23 July 2019 (UTC)
Our page was put up for speedy deletion for "allegedly promoting" the company, and also we were told to make a curation around what the media and notable platforms say about our platform and we did just that, and mentioned nothing about services or anything advertorial or promotional, kindly check it out and see, kindly compare the content to activity and see what im saying, the platform in general is not a usual type and it is also pretty notable and of high trustworthiness in its industry and part of the world. We'd love to hear good news, thanks alot.
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how many people do that on this side of the world? rarely happens, its even seen as something you have to be given rights to do, so people hardly engage in it unless expressly given permission to
and please dont get us wrong, we arent using Wiki for promotion, thats why there was no promotional context, we understand fully well the rules and implications
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Hi Bradv. Just a heads-up that for today's WP:ACN announcement, ArbClerkBot correctly added the talk page section's links but it didn't do the appropriate steps for the project page section. Regards, AGK ■ 10:42, 28 July 2019 (UTC)
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Regards, AGK ■ 08:58, 4 August 2019 (UTC)
You already have my support – not that you need it – but I thought I'd share with you a view on the relationship between subject-specific guidelines (SNGs) and WP:GNG.
It's a truism that some subjects, such as sportspeople or entertainers, attract a disproportionate share of attention in the media; while other subjects, such as academics, are underrepresented in our mainstream press.
If you then examine the reasons why we have SNGs, you find two extremes:
SNGs like WP:NFOOTY are of the first type, but although they give a strong indication that the subject is notable, it is still possible to argue in an AfD that they do not meet GNG if no sources can be found. So NFOOTY is not a replacement for GNG. We have no need to increase the number of articles about footballers as we already have plenty of coverage.
SNGs like WP:NPROF are of the second type, and we allow a subject who meets one of the alternative criteria for academics to be presumed notable. In these cases, NPROF is a replacement for GNG because we want to counter the bias in our coverage caused by a lack of mainstream sources for these subjects. Of course, we still have to find sources to write the article, but we are freed from the burden of finding sufficient sources to satisfy GNG.
Now, that's just one take on the issue, but it has a logic behind it which allows it to be extended to other SNGs. I hope it helps you when considering how SNGs ought to relate to the GNG. Cheers -- RexxS ( talk) 18:33, 6 August 2019 (UTC)
"help improve the encyclopedia and achieve its vision"
Thank you for quality articles such as Derrick Barnes and Blanket exercise, for dealing with articles for creation and deletion, for "indispensable" clerk services, for strike as protest against destruction but getting back to work, for "help improve the encyclopedia and achieve its vision", - Brad, you are an awesome Wikipedian!
You are recipient no. 2263 of Precious, a prize of QAI. -- Gerda Arendt ( talk) 09:48, 8 August 2019 (UTC)
Congratulations Bradv! Your RfA was successful. You are now an administrator on the English Wikipedia. I hope you have just as happy a time editing in the future as you did before your RfA. You may want to look at the admin guide to read up on any tools you are unfamiliar with. |
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Congrats on becoming an admin and thank you for blocking that IP @ Joseph Efford. JudeccaXIII ( talk) 19:51, 11 August 2019 (UTC) |
I see you are already making use of the tools at RFPP which does not hurt my feelings :). With that said, if I do anything questionable please let me know. Thanks!
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Bradv, I really think you've been deceived by the way James Martin (priest, born 1960) is written. The article purports to present a balanced view of fair criticisms, but if you read the underlying sources, you'll see right away that Thucyd has simply quote-mined them to find snippets that seem to be providing fair criticism of Father Martin, when in context they are part of articles that are actually about a campaign by extremist anti-LGBT organizations to discredit Father Martin.
Consider this example. Thucyd cites a NYT article for the following proposition: "According to journalist Frank Bruni, Martin did not "explicitly reject Church teaching" but question the language of the doctrine describing homosexuality as "intrinsically disordered"." Now look at what the article actually says:
Check out the websites and Twitter accounts of far-right Catholic groups and you’ll see why. To them Father Martin is “sick,” “wicked,” “a filthy liar,” “the smoke of Satan” and a “heretic” on a fast track to “eternal damnation.” They obsessively stalk him and passionately exhort churchgoers to protest his public appearances or prevent them from happening altogether.
And they succeed. After the New Jersey parish in which his remarks were supposed to be delivered was inundated with angry phone calls, the event was moved off church grounds. Father Martin will give his spectacularly uncontroversial talk — “Jesus Christ: Fully Human, Fully Divine” — at a secular conference center in a nearby town. Why all this drama? What’s Father Martin’s unconscionable sin? In his most recent book, “Building a Bridge,” which was published in June, he calls on Catholics to show L.G.B.T. people more respect and compassion than many of them have demonstrated in the past.
That’s all. That’s it. He doesn’t say that the church should bless gay marriage or gay adoption. He doesn’t explicitly reject church teaching, which prescribes chastity for gay men and lesbians, though he questions the language — “intrinsically disordered” — with which it describes homosexuality. But that hasn’t stopped his detractors from casting him as a terrifying enemy of the faith — Regan in “The Exorcist” and Damien in “The Omen” rolled together and grown up into a balding and bespectacled Jesuit — and silencing him whenever they can. A talk about Jesus that he was supposed to give in London last fall was canceled. So was a similar talk at the Theological College of the Catholic University of America.
And the vitriol to which he has been subjected is breathtaking, a reminder not just of how much homophobia is still out there but also of how presumptuous, overwrought, cruel and destructive discourse in this digital age can be. “Inexcusably ugly” was how the Roman Catholic archbishop of Philadelphia, Charles Chaput, described the attacks on Father Martin in an essay for the Catholic journal First Things in September. Archbishop Chaput is no progressive, but still he was moved to write that “the bitterness directed at the person of Father Martin is not just unwarranted and unjust; it’s a destructive counter-witness to the Gospel.” He cited a recent article in a French publication with the headline “Catholic Cyber-Militias and the New Censorship,” observing, “We live at a time when civility is universally longed for and just as universally (and too often gleefully) violated.”
After Bishop Robert McElroy of San Diego published a similar defense of Father Martin in the Jesuit magazine America, one of Father Martin’s devoted inquisitors tweeted: “If you think the anti-sodomite bigotry in the church is bad, you should see hell.”
Do you see how this article is actually about the homophobic bigots who are attacking Father Martin, but Thucyd has quote-mined it in a way that attempts to paint a critical view of Father Martin? Is this acceptable per WP:BLP? -- PluniaZ ( talk) 19:26, 13 August 2019 (UTC)
Bradv, I've written a neutral description of the book here that describes the critical reception of the book by reputable institutions instead of homophobic bigots and requested an RfC on the change. Please change the section to this neutral version pending the outcome of the RfC. -- PluniaZ ( talk) 01:25, 14 August 2019 (UTC)
The feedback request service is asking for participation in this request for comment on Talk:William Barr. Legobot ( talk) 04:27, 14 August 2019 (UTC)
There is currently a discussion at Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard regarding an issue with which you may have been involved. Thank you.-- PluniaZ ( talk) 01:41, 14 August 2019 (UTC)
Indeed I'm not the author however as explained in the edit summary A) the user is indeffed and B) this was the last edited version, I wondered if G6 would've been better but either way this still should've been deleted. – Davey2010 Talk 17:09, 13 August 2019 (UTC)
You are involved in a recently filed request for arbitration. Please review the request at Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case#James Martin (priest, born 1960) and, if you wish to do so, enter your statement and any other material you wish to submit to the Arbitration Committee. As threaded discussion is not permitted on most arbitration pages, please ensure that you make all comments in your own section only. Additionally, the guide to arbitration and the Arbitration Committee's procedures may be of use.
Thanks,
-- PluniaZ ( talk) 15:13, 14 August 2019 (UTC)
Hi, Your recent removal of my edit on the Texans for Vaccine Choice [2] seems very one-sided, as the current descriptive summary is far from "neutral", not to mention far from true. Please replace my edit to this page as it literally came from the groups' web page.
Respectfully, TXTruthFinder TXTruthFinder ( talk) 16:40, 14 August 2019 (UTC)8/14/19
bradv 🍁, Does that mean the sources that are cited within the page aren't already enough evidence that TFVC is a neutral group, not an "anti-vaccine" group? Most of the articles either show them defending liberties or are one-sided opinion articles aimed against the group. I hardly find that "neutral" opinion.
Furthermore, if a group or person does not have the right to define themselves, then who does? — Preceding unsigned comment added by TXTruthFinder ( talk • contribs) 17:29, 14 August 2019 (UTC)
bradv 🍁, I hope you realize that those are likely the one-sided opinion article that I was referring to. Opinions are known to be un-factual from time to time. However, I can see how if someone with a peanut allergy was resisting eating peanut butter they might appear to be anti-peanut butter. No article infers that they want to take vaccines away, even remotely. That would definitely be anti-vaccine, but they don't. I hope you can be open-minded enough to at least see my point. TXTruthFinder ( talk) 18:15, 14 August 2019 (UTC)
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Congratulations on setting the new record on the fastest a new admin was taken to ArbCom! Kevin (aka L235 · t · c) 20:04, 14 August 2019 (UTC) |
Hi - I'm sorry about this, it looks like another revdel will be needed after the ones you just did per my request on IRC. I'm not sure how I managed to botch the revert twice, but the last edit of mine still has the troublesome assertion in it. Drdpw has tidied up after me, their revision seems clean. GirthSummit (blether) 03:22, 15 August 2019 (UTC)
In regard to this, I was in the process of indefinitely blocking them as a vandalism only account when your block kicked in. How generously optimistic of you! Also, welcome to the corps. N.J.A. | talk 15:24, 15 August 2019 (UTC)
Hi Brad, my belated congratulations/condolences on becoming an administrator. I noticed you've been acting as a patrolling administrator at SPI. It's much appreciated. One suggestion: when you block and tag a sock, you can also close the report (assuming there's nothing else to do). Patrolling admins are not allowed to archive reports, but they can close them. It's a small thing, but it saves someone else from having to do it. Let me know if you have any questions. Thanks again! -- Bbb23 ( talk) 15:40, 15 August 2019 (UTC)
Hi Bradv. Would you take a second look at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Doug Lewis (Royal Navy officer). The whole thing, to me, hinges on an understanding of WP:SOLDIER, as those advocating for keep are using that guideline as their main rationale. Would you glance back and see if you agree, at first, with that assessment. If you do, would you then take a look at Wikipedia:WikiProject_Military_history/Notability_guide#People (WP:SOLDIER) and see if you agree that the criteria in that guideline indicates the possibility of someone being notable, and that the criteria needs to be read in conjunction with the supporting notes, particularly "those who are only mentioned in passing in reliable secondary sources should not be considered notable for the purposes of a stand-alone article", and refer back to the RfD where both Icewhiz and myself raised awareness that WP:SOLDIER only indicates likely notability, and that "significant coverage in multiple verifiable independent, reliable sources" is still required. And would you then check the sources in the article, to see if any of them meet the requirement for "significant coverage in multiple verifiable independent, reliable sources", and - if you wish, if you find none - do your own search for such sources. While it is assumed that someone who is a flag officer will have enough notability to generate general interest to provide "significant coverage in multiple verifiable independent, reliable sources" and so an article can be created and sources found later, in those cases where after the article has been created, sufficient sources are not found, and the article has been challenged, that on being challenged and still insufficient sources found, the article will be removed. I will watch your talkpage so you can respond here. And, congrats on being given the mop! SilkTork ( talk) 11:44, 12 August 2019 (UTC)
"The key to determining notability is ultimately coverage in independent sources per the general notability guideline, although the following is provided to give a general understanding of who, or what, is likely to meet the site-wide notability requirements for creation as a stand-alone article."). When GNG is challenged on a SOLDIER-passing individual (or a NFOOTY-passing individual (an actual guideline, but also only a presumption of GNG)) - one still has to locate sources or at least indicate why sources are likely to be available (e.g. for non-English individual with hard to find online sources). In this case - there isn't a single source in the article that was reliable+secondary+indetph+independent (it's all connected organizations, and much of it is in passing - short blurbs in non-independent primary sources). Icewhiz ( talk) 11:59, 12 August 2019 (UTC)
a well-known and significant award or honor, per ANYBIO #1. The AfD did not reach consensus on this point. The lack of significant coverage is a concern, but the sources do appear to be sufficient to support the main claims of notability. Given the lack of clarity around whether a CBE qualifies for ANYBIO and the current discussion around whether a Commodore qualifies per SOLDIER, I don't see how this could be closed any other way. – bradv 🍁 12:50, 12 August 2019 (UTC)
"People are likely to be notable if they meet any of the following standards. Failure to meet these criteria is not conclusive proof that a subject should not be included; conversely, meeting one or more does not guarantee that a subject should be included."- so again likely notability - but it does not supersede WP:BASIC (was is essentially WP:GNG). Myself - if there was one or two decent RSes (independent, secondary, good reputation, in depth) - coupled with these likely indications - it possibly would've swung me to Keep. However - in this case this is a bio with zero decent sources for an English speaking subject during the internet age - and in a long AfD - no one was able to pony up sources (and I looked extensively myself as well). Icewhiz ( talk) 13:06, 12 August 2019 (UTC)
Brad, diff from 15 August is a personal attack by Volunteer Marek on the case page. VM has already been warned regaeding personal attacks on the case page. I request this personal attack be dealt with by the clerking team and/or ARBCOM. It would also be nice if the continued HOUNDing could be dealt with as well (more than half of VM's edits in the past few months are dedicated to following me) - but the personal attack and incivility here is very clear cut. Icewhiz ( talk) 04:13, 16 August 2019 (UTC)
No. This is beyond the pale. In this comment Icewhiz accused me of trying to "silence LGBT voices". That is a disgusting, false, uncalled for, low-down, and deeply upsetting accusation. And he made it without any basis. It's just horrible to say something like that about somebody. And no, I am not going to apologize for using strong language to emphasize that point. What the hell? Do you really expect me to sit there and let him say crap like that about me? Furthermore, this is par for the course for Icewhiz, who has also made disgusting insinuation in his request for the case about me (trying to associate me with Holcoaust denial) and who then even tried to sneak that kind of crap into his evidence (until I called him out on it and he redacted).
ANY person who pulls stuff like that should be indef banned from Wikipedia. Who does stuff like this? And who lets the get away with it? This is online bullying and harassment and you are facilitating and enabling it. And to make worse, Icewhiz, after making his provocative insults, comes running to clerks or admins and plays the victim and engages in obnoxious block shopping.
I am genuinely at a loss of how to explain that you guys (meaning the clerks, as well as the ArbCom members) have allowed him to get away with stuff like this. As far as the comment about his "crusade" there's like five gazzillion bytes of material in the evidence section, from both myself and other editors to support that. There's another couple gazzillion bytes in the Workshop section. Let ArbCom decide whether the charge has any merit. An ArbCom case is not an edit summary. Volunteer Marek ( talk) 06:26, 16 August 2019 (UTC)
And Bradv, I can't believe you actually wrote "I understand these comments can be hurtful" to ... Icewhiz. Wth? You know what's freakin' hurtful? Being accused of "silencing LGBT voices". Being associated wit Holocaust revisionism. Having someone blatantly lie about you over and over and over again. THAT is fucking hurtful. Not somebody replying to such smears with a couple angry words.
Get your fucking priorities straight!!! Volunteer Marek ( talk) 06:49, 16 August 2019 (UTC)
The request for arbitration James Martin (priest, born 1960) has been declined by the committee. The arbitrators' comments about the request can be viewed here. SQL Query me! 04:27, 17 August 2019 (UTC)
Hi! I was browsing AIV when I saw Special:Diff/911178450. I definitely still have a lot to learn about AIV, so I was wondering why the account didn't get indeffed as a vandalism-only account? Thanks! Enterprisey ( talk!) 04:48, 17 August 2019 (UTC)