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Reporting errors
Review of literature by Desmurget
The neuroscienticist Michel Desmurget has published a review of the literature on the effects of digital media use entitled La fabrique du crétin digital. Surely this would be a relevant inclusion?
Munci (
talk) 05:43, 3 December 2022 (UTC)reply
Thanks for the suggestion. Seems to be a 2019 book, and dozens of other literature reviews on this topic have been published since then. That said, it looks a good book from a quick scan, so no objection from me if you wanted to add a few lines on it.
FeydHuxtable (
talk) 18:09, 19 March 2023 (UTC)reply
Thank you for the reply. I shall get onto at some point. Which other literature reviews have since been published?
Munci (
talk) 08:34, 8 December 2023 (UTC)reply
You're most welcome. Sadly, while reviews were much scarcer back in 2019, it was easier back then to pick out reasonably coherent themes to present to our readers.
Rather than list the many review level articles that have appeared this last few years, it might be more helpful to share a little context, which I've picked up from sitting on round tables discussing this topic with policy makers and platform operators. Essentially, at least until the race to train AGIs is settled, every time impartial scientists like Jonathan Haidt & Jean Twenge publish something objective on the topic, funding is going to be found for multiple studies and reviews reporting there's no problem. Policy makers are often good at screening out such motivated science, but they're not going to do anything that majorly hampers Western tech giants while there's an AI arms race in play with China. Once developing AGI is no longer a pressing concern, there's a good chance the scientific literature will cohere on a clear consensus, and it will be easier to improve this article to present a helpful encyclopaedic overview. Huh, at that point, digital media may genuinely have become a net +ve for MH.
In case you still want to work on this, there's actually now hundreds of review articles on the topic. I already integrated some of the most useful review articles to the article in
this edit. This
umbrella review helpfully separates various reviews into systematic reviews, meta-analyses and narrative reviews (It found 25 review level articles, even though it's over a year old and focussed only on SM & MH in teenagers, a small subset of the article's topic.) It contains links to 3 other umbrella reviews too, also about SM & MH but not limited to teenagers.
FeydHuxtable (
talk) 15:25, 8 December 2023 (UTC)reply
Wow, that's very interesting, thank you.
Munci (
talk) 04:33, 5 February 2024 (UTC)reply
No citations?
this article could use some citations.
Kwixotik (
talk) 05:01, 17 October 2023 (UTC)reply
The article has abundant citations. I guess you mean it could have citations in the lede? (i.e. the introductory paragraphs at the top). Per
MOS:CITELEAD , citations are not necessarily required in the lede. This said, while I generally dont like cites in the lede, I'll take your view into consideration, and may add some later (as may other editors.) Thanks for taking the time to offer feedback on the article.
FeydHuxtable (
talk) 21:17, 17 October 2023 (UTC)reply
This article was promoted to FA in 2019. Since then, several additions have been made to the article, including
off-topic information (see this diff, showing completely irrelevant information that I just removed). I haven't gone through the whole article, but I have removed a couple of large chunks of prose.
voorts (
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Given the that the
FAR notice discussion was been closed back in December, I was hoping we could follow-up here on what steps could be taken to improve the quality of the article in general and back to featured article status if possible and to address the content that was flagged with the WP:NOR and WP:MEDREF maintenance tags and evolutionary psychiatry/evolutionary psychology content. I don't know what specific content in the article in general or the ADHD subsection specifically User:SandyGeorgia felt warranted the maintenance tags. In light of the concerns you raised in the FAR notice discussion had about the evolutionary psychiatry content, I was also considering restoring it but in a separate "Evolutionary psychiatry" or "Evolutionary psychology" subsection in the "Other disciplines" section and expanding the content with other research from evolutionary psychology about evolutionary mismatch and digital media.
@
SandyGeorgia: Apologies to have to get your attention with a ping but I don't know any other way to contact other folks on here. :) Just hoping that you could chime in and let me know what your thoughts are, so I can attempt to address your concerns with the content considering that you placed the maintenance tags. I have removed all of the content summarizing primary sources in the ADHD, Autism, Insomnia, and NPD subsections and have added content summarizing only systematic reviews and meta-analyses that I found Google Scholar using specific search terms. I have also found many systematic reviews and meta-analyses now for depression, anxiety, and body image/eating disorders that I was hoping to add summary sections for. I noticed also that the Screen time and mental health and Social media and mental health subsections include primary sources which I intend to remove. --
CommonKnowledgeCreator (
talk) 21:09, 10 March 2024 (UTC)reply
Some uses are better than others (e.g., watching funny cat videos is better than obsessing over your appearance)
Some amounts are better than others (e.g., Goldilocks hypothesis)
Some types have different effects (e.g., passive consumption vs active interaction)
People are different
Effects by domain (e.g., on cognition or social life)
Effects on subgroups (e.g., boys vs girls on Instagram, kids vs adults, older people, people with disabilities)
Interaction with specific medical conditions (e.g., people with ADHD)
Problematic use
Correlation is not causation (e.g., depressed people watch a lot of television, but that doesn't make television the cause of depression)
It's complicated (e.g., is it truly 'an addiction'? – could be a place for terminology)
Diagnostic categories
Related problems
Assessment and treatment
Delivering treatment online
Attempts to mitigate problematic use
(I don't object to the sections I've left out (history/terminology and related research fields; they just don't seem to have obvious places in this flow, so they could go at the top or bottom, or be split up, as seemed relevant.)
WhatamIdoing (
talk) 20:16, 9 April 2024 (UTC)reply
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Reporting errors
Review of literature by Desmurget
The neuroscienticist Michel Desmurget has published a review of the literature on the effects of digital media use entitled La fabrique du crétin digital. Surely this would be a relevant inclusion?
Munci (
talk) 05:43, 3 December 2022 (UTC)reply
Thanks for the suggestion. Seems to be a 2019 book, and dozens of other literature reviews on this topic have been published since then. That said, it looks a good book from a quick scan, so no objection from me if you wanted to add a few lines on it.
FeydHuxtable (
talk) 18:09, 19 March 2023 (UTC)reply
Thank you for the reply. I shall get onto at some point. Which other literature reviews have since been published?
Munci (
talk) 08:34, 8 December 2023 (UTC)reply
You're most welcome. Sadly, while reviews were much scarcer back in 2019, it was easier back then to pick out reasonably coherent themes to present to our readers.
Rather than list the many review level articles that have appeared this last few years, it might be more helpful to share a little context, which I've picked up from sitting on round tables discussing this topic with policy makers and platform operators. Essentially, at least until the race to train AGIs is settled, every time impartial scientists like Jonathan Haidt & Jean Twenge publish something objective on the topic, funding is going to be found for multiple studies and reviews reporting there's no problem. Policy makers are often good at screening out such motivated science, but they're not going to do anything that majorly hampers Western tech giants while there's an AI arms race in play with China. Once developing AGI is no longer a pressing concern, there's a good chance the scientific literature will cohere on a clear consensus, and it will be easier to improve this article to present a helpful encyclopaedic overview. Huh, at that point, digital media may genuinely have become a net +ve for MH.
In case you still want to work on this, there's actually now hundreds of review articles on the topic. I already integrated some of the most useful review articles to the article in
this edit. This
umbrella review helpfully separates various reviews into systematic reviews, meta-analyses and narrative reviews (It found 25 review level articles, even though it's over a year old and focussed only on SM & MH in teenagers, a small subset of the article's topic.) It contains links to 3 other umbrella reviews too, also about SM & MH but not limited to teenagers.
FeydHuxtable (
talk) 15:25, 8 December 2023 (UTC)reply
Wow, that's very interesting, thank you.
Munci (
talk) 04:33, 5 February 2024 (UTC)reply
No citations?
this article could use some citations.
Kwixotik (
talk) 05:01, 17 October 2023 (UTC)reply
The article has abundant citations. I guess you mean it could have citations in the lede? (i.e. the introductory paragraphs at the top). Per
MOS:CITELEAD , citations are not necessarily required in the lede. This said, while I generally dont like cites in the lede, I'll take your view into consideration, and may add some later (as may other editors.) Thanks for taking the time to offer feedback on the article.
FeydHuxtable (
talk) 21:17, 17 October 2023 (UTC)reply
This article was promoted to FA in 2019. Since then, several additions have been made to the article, including
off-topic information (see this diff, showing completely irrelevant information that I just removed). I haven't gone through the whole article, but I have removed a couple of large chunks of prose.
voorts (
talk/
contributions) 23:15, 8 November 2023 (UTC)reply
Given the that the
FAR notice discussion was been closed back in December, I was hoping we could follow-up here on what steps could be taken to improve the quality of the article in general and back to featured article status if possible and to address the content that was flagged with the WP:NOR and WP:MEDREF maintenance tags and evolutionary psychiatry/evolutionary psychology content. I don't know what specific content in the article in general or the ADHD subsection specifically User:SandyGeorgia felt warranted the maintenance tags. In light of the concerns you raised in the FAR notice discussion had about the evolutionary psychiatry content, I was also considering restoring it but in a separate "Evolutionary psychiatry" or "Evolutionary psychology" subsection in the "Other disciplines" section and expanding the content with other research from evolutionary psychology about evolutionary mismatch and digital media.
@
SandyGeorgia: Apologies to have to get your attention with a ping but I don't know any other way to contact other folks on here. :) Just hoping that you could chime in and let me know what your thoughts are, so I can attempt to address your concerns with the content considering that you placed the maintenance tags. I have removed all of the content summarizing primary sources in the ADHD, Autism, Insomnia, and NPD subsections and have added content summarizing only systematic reviews and meta-analyses that I found Google Scholar using specific search terms. I have also found many systematic reviews and meta-analyses now for depression, anxiety, and body image/eating disorders that I was hoping to add summary sections for. I noticed also that the Screen time and mental health and Social media and mental health subsections include primary sources which I intend to remove. --
CommonKnowledgeCreator (
talk) 21:09, 10 March 2024 (UTC)reply
Some uses are better than others (e.g., watching funny cat videos is better than obsessing over your appearance)
Some amounts are better than others (e.g., Goldilocks hypothesis)
Some types have different effects (e.g., passive consumption vs active interaction)
People are different
Effects by domain (e.g., on cognition or social life)
Effects on subgroups (e.g., boys vs girls on Instagram, kids vs adults, older people, people with disabilities)
Interaction with specific medical conditions (e.g., people with ADHD)
Problematic use
Correlation is not causation (e.g., depressed people watch a lot of television, but that doesn't make television the cause of depression)
It's complicated (e.g., is it truly 'an addiction'? – could be a place for terminology)
Diagnostic categories
Related problems
Assessment and treatment
Delivering treatment online
Attempts to mitigate problematic use
(I don't object to the sections I've left out (history/terminology and related research fields; they just don't seem to have obvious places in this flow, so they could go at the top or bottom, or be split up, as seemed relevant.)
WhatamIdoing (
talk) 20:16, 9 April 2024 (UTC)reply