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Mosab Al Khateeb
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Moved from WP:AFC after decline, fails WP:NSINGER. Theroadislong ( talk) 08:52, 10 July 2024 (UTC)
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- Delete as notability is not established. As this has already been deleted and then declined at AfC I don’t think there’s any point in draftifying. Mccapra ( talk) 11:37, 10 July 2024 (UTC)
Noah Robertson (musician)
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This is a biography of a thirteen-year-old boy. The only claim to supposed notability (badly sourced) is that he won a prize in an obscure busking competition, about which the Australian media seems to say next to nothing. AndyTheGrump ( talk) 20:04, 9 July 2024 (UTC)
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- Keep @ AndyTheGrump: it is feeling to me like uncollegial WP:FOLLOWING - you took two articles that I started to AfD in the space of one day. This article has reliable sources which are non-trivial. 1, 2 I have no idea why you think that a fourteen year old cannot be notable. The Berkshire Eagle (Published daily since 1892) is clearly a reliable source so I removed your unreliable tags unless you can state why the source is unreliable. Lightburst ( talk) 22:36, 9 July 2024 (UTC)
- Why on earth do you think that local media for Berkshire, Massachusetts would be reliable for content concerning obscure busking contests in Australia? They clearly aren't if they are claiming that this child won the event. He didn't. He won the 'primary' section: presumably for primary-school-age children.
[1] I have no idea why you are trying to concoct 'notability' for a thirteen-or-fourteen-year-old busker, but it seems grossly inappropriate to me, given the questionable sourcing, the lack of evidence that the events he competed in are of any real significance, and the obvious privacy concerns in revealing personal details about a minor.
AndyTheGrump (
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23:26, 9 July 2024 (UTC)
- I have added sources - I think this is clearly a notable guitar player/songwriter based on the RS. A reliable source can report on events from other places but I added sources that call out the same wins. I also reverted your removal of the win when he was ten, and added an additional source for it. \
Lightburst (
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23:37, 9 July 2024 (UTC)
- Coverage of Roberson doesn't come within a mile of meeting
WP:MUSICBIO. None of the sources cited even offer significant commentary on his performances. He's a kid who's won a couple of obscure prizes for kids, that's all.
AndyTheGrump (
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23:55, 9 July 2024 (UTC)
- Either SNG or GNG has to be met per our
WP:N guide. The article has multiple non-trivial RS about the person so they meet GNG. There are no BLP or privacy concerns so the "think of the children" argument is a non-starter.
Lightburst (
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00:31, 10 July 2024 (UTC)
- If I want advice on WP:BLP, I'll ask for advice from someone who doesn't think that the name of a non-notable younger sister of a kid who's won a couple of kids' busking competition belongs in an article.
AndyTheGrump (
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00:38, 10 July 2024 (UTC)
- Tilly was name dropped in two publications, and one mentioned her as his roadie... but I did not contest your removal. FYI: it is normal to mention siblings and children in articles but I guess if you are adversarial you can find all sorts of threads to pull. I will move on after I finish adding archives so that others can read the non-trivial RS.
Lightburst (
talk)
00:53, 10 July 2024 (UTC)
- Read
WP:BLPNAME, and the accompanying note 'e'.
AndyTheGrump (
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02:03, 10 July 2024 (UTC)
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PRS Guitars is one of the three major guitar manufacturing companies in the U.S. and in 2023 they named Noah Robertson as one of their artists. It is a big deal especially for someone so young. When I added the information, the nominator erased it twice calling it "promotional". And now the nominator threatens me with ANI if I restore it. So I have to leave now to avoid this unnecessary drama. Here is more drama about this subject.
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Lightburst (
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02:38, 10 July 2024 (UTC)
- This is an AfD discussion. One where notability is demonstrated through significant coverage in independent sources. Which doesn't include guitar company websites plugging their own products. AndyTheGrump ( talk) 02:46, 10 July 2024 (UTC)
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PRS Guitars is one of the three major guitar manufacturing companies in the U.S. and in 2023 they named Noah Robertson as one of their artists. It is a big deal especially for someone so young. When I added the information, the nominator erased it twice calling it "promotional". And now the nominator threatens me with ANI if I restore it. So I have to leave now to avoid this unnecessary drama. Here is more drama about this subject.
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Lightburst (
talk)
02:38, 10 July 2024 (UTC)
- Read
WP:BLPNAME, and the accompanying note 'e'.
AndyTheGrump (
talk)
02:03, 10 July 2024 (UTC)
- Tilly was name dropped in two publications, and one mentioned her as his roadie... but I did not contest your removal. FYI: it is normal to mention siblings and children in articles but I guess if you are adversarial you can find all sorts of threads to pull. I will move on after I finish adding archives so that others can read the non-trivial RS.
Lightburst (
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00:53, 10 July 2024 (UTC)
- If I want advice on WP:BLP, I'll ask for advice from someone who doesn't think that the name of a non-notable younger sister of a kid who's won a couple of kids' busking competition belongs in an article.
AndyTheGrump (
talk)
00:38, 10 July 2024 (UTC)
- Either SNG or GNG has to be met per our
WP:N guide. The article has multiple non-trivial RS about the person so they meet GNG. There are no BLP or privacy concerns so the "think of the children" argument is a non-starter.
Lightburst (
talk)
00:31, 10 July 2024 (UTC)
- Coverage of Roberson doesn't come within a mile of meeting
WP:MUSICBIO. None of the sources cited even offer significant commentary on his performances. He's a kid who's won a couple of obscure prizes for kids, that's all.
AndyTheGrump (
talk)
23:55, 9 July 2024 (UTC)
- I have added sources - I think this is clearly a notable guitar player/songwriter based on the RS. A reliable source can report on events from other places but I added sources that call out the same wins. I also reverted your removal of the win when he was ten, and added an additional source for it. \
Lightburst (
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23:37, 9 July 2024 (UTC)
- Delete: I'm not sure winning junior music competitions are what we're looking for... "Congratulations to our Year 7 student Noah Robertson who won first place in the ... guitar gift pack and $500 Colemans Music voucher." This is not notable. I mean, the article has sourcing but winning a guitar and 500 bucks isn't what gets you a wikipedia article. Oaktree b ( talk) 00:03, 10 July 2024 (UTC)
- Delete. The WP:GNG provisions on sourcing are subject to a second test: whether the subject warrants a standalone page. A few policies bear on this to say no: (1) WP:BLP1E. The article uses newspaper sources to describe as notable for winning a (non-notable) busking competition, but since that's the limit of his notability (at the moment), that's one event and he should not have a page here. (2) The busking competition would fall under WP:NEVENTS, which appears to be covered in "the brief, often light and amusing (for example bear-in-a-tree or local-person-wins-award), stories that frequently appear in the back pages of newspapers" per WP:ROUTINE. It's not notable, and even if it were, the notability does not transfer to its winner. And (3) we would want to rely on more than human interest reporting per WP:NEWSORG, which states that "[h]uman interest reporting is generally not as reliable as news reporting, and may not be subject to the same rigorous standards of fact-checking and accuracy." Bottom line: The subject may become notable in the future, but under these policies he is not right now. Dclemens1971 ( talk) 03:00, 10 July 2024 (UTC)
- Delete: with no prejudice against draftifying it for the reasons outlined by Dclemens1971. TarnishedPath talk 05:43, 10 July 2024 (UTC)
- Note: Thanks
TarnishedPath for the draft idea. I would accept a draft or to have the article moved to my userspace. The AfD was
canvassed at WPO so I have no confidence in the fairness of the AfD result. The AfD is also
discussed at
WP:ANI right now and that may allow others to arrive here in an unorganic way.
Lightburst (
talk)
05:56, 10 July 2024 (UTC)
- @ Lightburst, I only think possible draft because it is apparent that he might be attending some contest in Berkshire. Who knows what may come of that though. TarnishedPath talk 06:07, 10 July 2024 (UTC)
- and if this does go to draft, I'd expect it to be submitted through AfC if/when editor/s felt it was ready for mainspace. TarnishedPath talk 06:08, 10 July 2024 (UTC)
- Ps, I was aware that the article was being discussed at WP:ANI as that is how I found my way here. Although I might have found my way here anyway given it was included in the deletion sorting for Australia. TarnishedPath talk 06:11, 10 July 2024 (UTC)
- Note: Thanks
TarnishedPath for the draft idea. I would accept a draft or to have the article moved to my userspace. The AfD was
canvassed at WPO so I have no confidence in the fairness of the AfD result. The AfD is also
discussed at
WP:ANI right now and that may allow others to arrive here in an unorganic way.
Lightburst (
talk)
05:56, 10 July 2024 (UTC)
- Delete per the careful analysis of
Dclemens1971. I also want to say that I resent Lightburst's preemptive strike above against "the fairness of the AfD result" and against commenters here as potentially "unorganic". Why couldn't people just as well have their attention drawn by WPO and/or ANI and then vote Keep? Way to assume bad faith.
Bishonen |
tålk
10:13, 10 July 2024 (UTC).
- Agreed, it seems that WPO has a bit of a broad audience and I don't think one could take a casual comment by a user of that website that they had started an AfD as an invitation to only those that would vote delete. TarnishedPath talk 10:59, 10 July 2024 (UTC)
- Delete per WP:NOTJUSTYET. There's no deadline, and chances look promising the subject will merit an article in the future. I would also echo Dclemens1971 spot on analysis and rationale. Isaidnoway (talk) 12:17, 10 July 2024 (UTC)
Willie XO
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Non notable musician. Fails WP:GNG. No significant coverage. Majority of the references are just from mere blog talking about his music. It is also clearly written by the creator the subject paid for billboard advertising. This doesn’t even sound like a biography but a promotional work and majority of the contribution are from the creator suck puppet account /info/en/?search=Category:Wikipedia_sockpuppets_of_Mark_Yung_Chukwuebuka user:MarkIblog for reference. Gabriel (talk to me ) 09:35, 8 July 2024 (UTC)
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- Delete: I don’t see how this passes WP:NMUSICIAN or WP:GNG. Looks very promotional too without imparting any useful information. Vanderwaalforces ( talk) 10:01, 8 July 2024 (UTC)
- Delete Fails WP:NMUSIC. No chart activity or notable label work, the usual namedropping of famous artists in attempt to establish notability, and promotional-sounding sources. Never mind the horribly written article with all proper names in lowercase. 💥Casualty • Hop along. • 09:02, 9 July 2024 (UTC)
- Delete: I can't see how his music comfort you made itself notable before raising the artist to prominence, promotionally raising a music to stream 20m views on YouTube. The sources sounds advertorial —announcement of new album/release. Safari Scribe Edits! Talk! 01:48, 10 July 2024 (UTC)
Otherwize
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Article about a non-notable rapper. Sources are passing mentions and nothing indepth on the subject. I don't see it satisfies WP:NMUSICBIO or WP:GNG. Jamiebuba ( talk) 07:50, 8 July 2024 (UTC)
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- Delete per both WP:NOTINHERITED and WP:NMUSIC. His only claim to fame is attached to Eminem, and that was 27 years ago. No notable discography or chart activity, and the titles of the citations in the article don't even mention the subject, but other rappers. 💥Casualty • Hop along. • 20:29, 8 July 2024 (UTC)
- Keep per WP:NMUSIC. WP:NMUSIC states "Musicians ... may be notable if they meet at least one of the following criteria." Otherwize clearly meets 3 of the criteria: #1, #7, and #9.
- 1. He has been featured in multiple documentaries (Where We're From and Freestyle: The Art of Rhyme), books (The Come Up, The Way I Am, King Khule, Born a Villain), and articles (HipHopDX, etc.). His prominence in the documentaries have nothing to do with Eminem, so they are not inherited notability.
- 7. In Where We're From, Otherwize is cited as the most prominent battle rapper in his region (LA) during this era. That has nothing to do with Eminem, so it's not inherited notability.
- 9. Otherwize won 1st Place and 3rd Place in major national music competitions (Rap Olympics '97 and Scribble Jam '99). Granted, one of those was defeating Eminem, but the other one was not, and they are still placings in national music competitions regardless of who he defeated. So this is not inherited notability.
- He is also part of a notable crew called Project Blowed, which is also a subject of documentaries (This is the Life and Hip-Hop Evolution). He featured on the important Los Angeles underground albums Beneath the Surface and Cater to the DJ. Hierarchitectitiptitoploftical ( talk) 20:45, 9 July 2024 (UTC)
Yaki Kadafi
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Multiple times contested WP:BLAR; notability is WP:NOTINHERITED from this musician's main group, Outlawz. Jalen Folf (Bark[s]) 15:43, 7 July 2024 (UTC)
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- Delete Twice I've redirected the article to Outlawz only to have it reverted by an SPA. Anyway, he doesn't meet WP:NMUSIC guidelines as a solo artist while he (and the group) is only known for his association with 2Pac, and I don't see him getting any more notable as his career was so short and he is long deceased. Since this is its third trip to AfD, perhaps a salting is also in order. 💥Casualty • Hop along. • 20:04, 8 July 2024 (UTC)
Blimus
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Article is quite old, band seems to be long-since defunct. No real evidence of meeting WP:MUSIC. No hits, no awards, no label, etc. None of the links are archived on archive.org, two are just listings on the programme for a festival. The BBC interview is the most promising but an interview alone wouldn't support an article, and looking at the URL it seems like it was actually a promotional listing for that same festival, rather than a journalistic interview. Googling around it seems to mostly be Wikipedia mirrors at this point. Here2rewrite ( talk) 20:26, 6 July 2024 (UTC)
- Delete I found some media coverage from 2010 and apparently they were active as late as 2011, but mostly it's just Wikipedia mirrors. -- Un assiolo ( talk) 20:39, 6 July 2024 (UTC)
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- Looks OK to delete. That 2010 interview on Surrey Live consists mostly of deliberately nonsensical quotes by band member Graham Hill. Attention-getting, yes. Notable in the Wikipedia sense, no. Cielquiparle ( talk) 22:17, 6 July 2024 (UTC)
- Delete: No sources found for this band, only two hits on the word in Gnews, one of which is in German, both are unrelated. Article now is thread-bare with minimal sourcing. Oaktree b ( talk) 22:50, 6 July 2024 (UTC)
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Nuckle Brothers
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I wasn't able to find significant coverage of the subject in reliable sources. There's the 50 words in the OC Weekly article that's linked already, and there are mentions in student newspapers like the Daily Titan ( [2], [3], [4]), but they can't establish notability. toweli ( talk) 15:59, 6 July 2024 (UTC)
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- Delete, fails WP:NBAND including #7 - not one of the more prominent purveyors of Orange County ska. Geschichte ( talk) 19:30, 6 July 2024 (UTC)
Mehran Tebyani
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Moved from draft by conflicted editor, no evidence of passing WP:GNG primary sources and interviews don't help with notability. Theroadislong ( talk) 08:06, 6 July 2024 (UTC)
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- Redraftify until notability issues fixed.
Procyon117 (
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14:29, 6 July 2024 (UTC)
- Mehran Tebyani
- is a notable figure in the field of music, particularly recognized for being the first Iranian conductor to hold a doctoral degree. His contributions to the music industry are significant and well-documented. Here are key points highlighting his notability and accomplishments:
- Academic Achievements: Mehran Tebyani holds a doctoral degree, making him the first Iranian conductor to achieve this level of academic success in the field.
- Publications: He has published a book in Iran, which contributes to his recognition as a scholar and expert in music.
- Media Coverage: Tebyani has been interviewed by numerous newspapers in Iran, demonstrating his influence and prominence in the Iranian music scene.
- Radio Sessions: During his time in Los Angeles, he hosted a radio session dedicated to the history of music for one year, further showcasing his expertise and commitment to educating the public about music.
- Concerts and Performances: He has conducted several concerts at UCLA in Los Angeles, adding to his international recognition and illustrating his active involvement in the music community.
- Dr.Hana jalili ( talk) 06:35, 10 July 2024 (UTC)
Finley Jeffrey
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Article created by user with COI. Immediately PRODed, but unPRODed by same user with no explanation. BLP has many "citation needed" tags and the only two citations present do not appear to be independent and reliable. Subject shows no notability. GoldRomean ( talk) 00:31, 5 July 2024 (UTC)
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- Delete: Gseach is straight to social media, then not much else pops up. Flowery wording, but nothing found in sources to support the claims made. Lack of sourcing. Oaktree b ( talk) 00:36, 5 July 2024 (UTC)
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- Delete The subject fails WP:SINGER and the two cited sources do not establish notability. Gödel2200 ( talk) 13:54, 5 July 2024 (UTC)
- Delete: This article reads like an advertisement and doesn't provide any credible sources to back up its claims. It seems promotional rather than informative. Waqar 💬 18:33, 6 July 2024 (UTC)
Pradum (actor)
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Fails WP:NACTOR.
Declined drafts: Draft:Pradum Shukla (actor), Draft:Pradum Shukla KH-1 ( talk) 04:40, 4 July 2024 (UTC)
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- Delete, fails WP:NACTOR, two minor roles so far, and I can only find passing mentions of him in routine film listings. Wikishovel ( talk) 15:41, 8 July 2024 (UTC)
Ammar Kofi
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Crosswiki spam of a singer of very doubtful notability. Long past the time limit for draftification without a consensus here, and I think deletion would be appropriate. Mccapra ( talk) 21:24, 3 July 2024 (UTC)
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- Delete: This [5] appears to be an interview... It's about all I find. The article now only has one source. Even with the one I found, we still don't have enough for notability. Oaktree b ( talk) 23:59, 3 July 2024 (UTC)
Kamal Gray
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Per WP:BANDMEMBER, Redirect to The Roots#Band lineup. Extremely little coverage can be found to justify notability, except articles about his donation of 25,000$ and a strange biographical article/interview/financial advice piece [6] published by UBS. Broc ( talk) 20:50, 3 July 2024 (UTC)
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- Keep: The articles about his donations are in reputable sources and speak to his notability as a member of
The Roots, and the genre/format of the UBS article is not relevant to whether it counts as a source to establish notability. His notability comes from his being a member of
The Roots and the sources confirm that.
Hexatekin (
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03:13, 4 July 2024 (UTC)
- Per
WP:BANDMEMBER, being a member of a notable band does not imply the subject has independent notability.
Broc (
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15:55, 4 July 2024 (UTC)
- I wasn't aware of the BANDMEMBER policy. I still think there is more press on him, maybe in magazines. Will try to improve references. Looking at
Wikipedia:Notability (people)#Creative professionals, as an early and ongoing member of
The Roots, I'd say he qualifies for these 2 for sure: "The person has received a well-known and significant award or honor, or has been nominated for such an award several times, or The person has made a widely recognized contribution that is part of the enduring historical record in a specific field".
Hexatekin (
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16:27, 5 July 2024 (UTC)
- Keep. Several notable band affiliations. Keystone18 ( talk) 18:20, 5 July 2024 (UTC)
- I wasn't aware of the BANDMEMBER policy. I still think there is more press on him, maybe in magazines. Will try to improve references. Looking at
Wikipedia:Notability (people)#Creative professionals, as an early and ongoing member of
The Roots, I'd say he qualifies for these 2 for sure: "The person has received a well-known and significant award or honor, or has been nominated for such an award several times, or The person has made a widely recognized contribution that is part of the enduring historical record in a specific field".
Hexatekin (
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16:27, 5 July 2024 (UTC)
- Per
WP:BANDMEMBER, being a member of a notable band does not imply the subject has independent notability.
Broc (
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15:55, 4 July 2024 (UTC)
- Redirect to The Roots#Band lineup. Per WP:MUSIC a musician who has been a reasonably prominent member of two or more independently notable ensembles is notable. Gray is a member of The Roots and The Tonight Show Band, both have WP articles. But he doesn't meet WP:SIGCOV. Tau Corvi ( talk) 12:17, 10 July 2024 (UTC)
The Rudiments
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I couldn't find convincing evidence they meet WP:NBAND / WP:GNG. They have been with more than one record label, so there are several potential redirect targets, though I am not sure which would be preferable. I wouldn't propose a merge as there is no sourced information. Boleyn ( talk) 19:32, 2 July 2024 (UTC)
- Delete: No sources, article does not have an encyclopedic tone. Also I couldn't find how they were notable for a Wikipedia article. Myrealnamm ( 💬pros · ✏️cons) 20:08, 2 July 2024 (UTC)
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- Delete: No strong sources, a conversational style, and no clear claim to fame for the band. Waqar 💬 15:13, 3 July 2024 (UTC)
- Comment. There is a case for WP:NBAND#5, but the search (which the above voters may or may not have conducted) came up a little light. One EP review in Maximum Rocknroll, two sizeable reviews by In Music We Trust as well as another good one by Allmusic. The band predates most of the current Internet Geschichte ( talk) 08:19, 4 July 2024 (UTC)
- Keep in view of the multiple reliable sources coverage identified above by Geschiste. Haven't done a full search yet, imv Atlantic306 ( talk) 22:37, 4 July 2024 (UTC)
- Keep: In addition to what has been linked, there is another review by AllMusic. toweli ( talk) 12:45, 6 July 2024 (UTC)
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Asger Svendsen
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Could find very little through a Google search; no WP:SIGCOV, only passing mentions. Reference on the article's page is a dead link, and an external link is from a primary source (via Wayback Machine) that doesn't look as though it has been updated since about 2008. Doesn't seem to pass WP:MUSICBIO or WP:GNG. ExRat ( talk) 22:36, 1 July 2024 (UTC)
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- Delete – I found this article about Svendsen in Sydsvenskan that discusses his career at length. However, this is the only piece of significant coverage that I could find. If more sources were found of this quality I would support keeping the article, but as it stands there is not enough coverage to meet general notability. Uffda608 ( talk) 11:36, 2 July 2024 (UTC)
- Keep. There's also this somewhat shorter piece from Politiken. Barely passes my interpretation of WP:GNG. / Julle ( talk) 21:49, 5 July 2024 (UTC)
- Delete: Fails
WP:ANYBIO,
WP:MUSICBIO, and
WP:SIGCOV. The Politiken link is not to an article, but is a biographical entry. Depending on its context—does the newspaper host some kind of national musical lexicon?—it might help the subject meet criterion 3 of
WP:ANYBIO. —
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- Comment - The text in Politikken is an article. It was published in connection with Svendsen's 70th birthday; thus the "biographical" style. / FredrikT ( talk) 08:20, 7 July 2024 (UTC)
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- weak keep: This [7] from 1979 but Google only gives me a snippet view due to copyright. He taught in Sweden for a while, there is some coverage there, [8] With those listed above, we have just barely enough. Oaktree b ( talk) 00:27, 9 July 2024 (UTC)
- Delete subject fails to meet WP:MUSICBIO and WP:GNG Vorann Gencov ( talk) 10:58, 9 July 2024 (UTC)
- Delete: Clearly non-notable. Only one reference exists, and even then it's a permanent dead link.
Haruka
Amaranth
14:30, 9 July 2024 (UTC)
- HarukaAmaranth: Did you see the sources mentioned earlier in this discussion? I've now added a couple of them to the article. / Julle ( talk) 21:17, 9 July 2024 (UTC)
- Delete as it does not meet WP:GNG. NoobThreePointOh ( talk) 14:32, 9 July 2024 (UTC)
Bus (group)
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Non-notable band. Article was moved from draft space and I originally returned it. After examining the article I noticed that it claim the band started 6 December 2023. However, the the only reference was published 2 February 2021. This was at least 17 months before auditions started. In addition the reference seemed to be about three young women and not twelve young men. The article provides no references for a band that has only released two singles and was created by a non-notable reality show, 789 SURVIVAL. CambridgeBayWeather (solidly non-human), Uqaqtuq (talk), Huliva 22:19, 29 June 2024 (UTC)
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- Comment: The citation currently in the article was clearly incorrectly inserted, probably the result of an inappropriate copy/paste job. But may I remind the nominator that
Notability is based on the existence of suitable sources, not on the state of sourcing in an article. A Google News search for
BUS 789 Survival turns up plenty of Thai-language coverage. (I'm not !voting keep just yet due to quality concerns raised by the aforementioned copy/pasting). --
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- Yes but as said the band does not appear to be notable. CambridgeBayWeather (solidly non-human), Uqaqtuq (talk), Huliva 15:07, 30 June 2024 (UTC)
- Comment: Their music have already been released. The band was split into 2 different subunits: BUS5 and BUS7. It should be easier to find sources from these 2 names. -- Lerdsuwa ( talk) 02:42, 2 July 2024 (UTC)
- Draftify. Should not linger in mainspace with WP:V problems that are basic in nature: Who are Bus? Are they one or two groups? Who are in those two groups? Geschichte ( talk) 21:16, 4 July 2024 (UTC)
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Muuse Ismaciil Qalinle
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Contested PROD. The sources do not demonstrate notability under WP:GNG, WP:NBIO, or WP:NMUSIC. (The first source is some kind of WP:USERGENERATED list of MP3 files, the second source has a single WP:TRIVIALMENTION of the subject, and the third fails verification entirely, referencing an entirely different individual with the patronym "Qalinle.") Edited to add: an editor has added a reference to Somali Culture and Folklore, pages 63-64. I do not believe this is a valid reference; the book itself is 64 pages and according to Google Books pages 63 and 64 appear to be index pages; Qalinle does not appear as a search term. Additional qualifying sources were not found in my WP:BEFORE search. Dclemens1971 ( talk) 19:09, 29 June 2024 (UTC)
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Julio Foolio
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Fails WP:BASIC, WP:ANYBIO, and WP:MUSICBIO. No indication of awards or charted songs. No notable biographical details prior to his death. Magnolia677 ( talk) 10:49, 27 June 2024 (UTC)
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- Delete we don't need every ganga rapper who have been shot dead. Not notable enough —
Iadmc
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- if you actually do research you would now he has bean a notable artist in Florida since about 2018 2600:8805:D1B:7500:1322:CAB:414A:D0A0 ( talk) 19:50, 27 June 2024 (UTC) - — 2600:8805:D1B:7500:1322:CAB:414A:D0A0 ( talk) has made few or no other edits outside this topic.
- Delete: Doesn't pass musical notability; coverage is only about his death. I gave up after 20 pages in Gnews trying to find mentions of him before his passing. Simply not a notable performer.
Oaktree b (
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16:37, 27 June 2024 (UTC)
- Keep - Rapper is notable. Particularly within Florida. Jattlife121 ( talk) 20:21, 27 June 2024 (UTC)
- Keep this page, definitely. I have known about this rapper for years, and I am not a big rap fan. The fact that he has been known for so long indicates notability. Dag21902190 ( talk) 12:43, 7 July 2024 (UTC)
Delete Fails WP:NMUSIC. Another no-name rapper whose death has made more headlines than his (non-notable) music. Dead rappers always make headlines no matter how obscure they are.Changing vote to keep after performing article cleanup. There is considerable coverage about the subject, but it's mainly about his role in the Jville gang wars while his actual music career is virtually irrelevant. Would also like to see primary SoundCloud citations replaced with reliable sources. 💥Casualty • Hop along. • 21:41, 2 July 2024 (UTC)- Agreed. We need to keep this up. STGInfo ( talk) 14:11, 3 July 2024 (UTC)
- Comment Perhaps this article should be about his death? It got major coverage in many major outlets. Thriley ( talk) 22:31, 27 June 2024 (UTC)
- Keep - Rapper is notable. Particularly within Florida especially in Jacksonville and through the south. He has many notations in different news articles. Foolio is also is featured on Pimp of the Nation album by Natalac Featuring international recording artist sean paul, grammy award winning Project Pat, Three 6 Mafia Member La Chat, Pastor Troy, Ying Yang Twins, Keak da Sneak to name a few who all are very Notable rappers Yameka ( talk) 03:48, 28 June 2024 (UTC)
- His death is certainly covered but his music and life? We need sources for these.@ Yameka — Iadmc ♫ talk 06:46, 28 June 2024 (UTC)
Sources — Preceding unsigned comment added by Yameka ( talk • contribs) 23:55, 29 June 2024 (UTC)
- https://www.allmusic.com/album/pimp-of-the-nation-mw0003174654
- https://www.allmusic.com/album/pimp-of-the-nation-mw0003174654#credits
- https://www.makinitmag.com/updates/natalac/2018/03/djs-says-natalac-pimp-nation-lp-classic-material
- https://g.co/kgs/m6zgJcJ
- Also there are Radio Edit and Explicit versions released Pimp of the Nation & Pimp of the Nation (Radio Edit)
- This project was released Presidents Day 2018 aka feb 19th 2018 in hard copies throughout the south and online on all platforms
Yameka (
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23:51, 29 June 2024 (UTC)
- Sources
- News Article .. First Coast News contacted Jacksonville Rapper Natalac and got his and the sheriff of Jacksonville input on Julio Foolio outcome. Natalac with his decades of experince with Hip Hop & younger rappers he worked with through messages through music.. he chose Foolio for his 11th Studio Album with grammy award winners etc. with their song Bridge This Gap a song to send a positive message. On natalac Pimp of the Nation. going by this article
- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nbEiSj5yhHA
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https://www.firstcoastnews.com/article/news/local/jacksonville-rapper-natalac-experience-with-foolio/77-6c775f01-b3bf-4232-8611-36190b187882
Yameka (
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00:20, 30 June 2024 (UTC)
- @
Yameka Don't double or triple-vote, please.
Bremps
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04:52, 30 June 2024 (UTC)
- ok i fixed that. Good day Yameka ( talk) 07:29, 30 June 2024 (UTC)
- @
Yameka Don't double or triple-vote, please.
Bremps
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04:52, 30 June 2024 (UTC)
- Delete: Artist is fails notability guidelines. There's barely any coverage I could find apart from his death.
I do think we could have an article about his death like @ Thriley suggested, though.DaCrashy ( T. C.) 16:34, 28 June 2024 (UTC)
- Please see WP:ONEEVENT. -- Magnolia677 ( talk) 18:20, 28 June 2024 (UTC)
- Comment Interesting how all the “keep” votes are repeating the “he’s notable because he’s from Florida” mantra, and verbatim to boot (“Rapper is notable. Particularly within Florida”). Florida does not represent the entire country. 💥Casualty • Hop along. • 19:31, 28 June 2024 (UTC)
- Or indeed the world! — Iadmc ♫ talk 04:05, 29 June 2024 (UTC)
- Keep. While BIO1E and 1E are extremely important these don't apply here. Wikipedians apply these too much after violent deaths. In a way this makes sense. It's an unusual feature. Still, we should work by policy and guidelines. The keep is by GNG. gidonb ( talk) 15:25, 29 June 2024 (UTC)
- Keep per WP:GNG. Foolio was the subject of multiple independent coverage even before his death. In 2019, Vulture.com, in reviewing Never Wanted Fame, wrote the mixtape "establishes Foolio as one of the most gripping, irresistible rappers working today." In 2021, Vice credited Foolio, along with Yungeen Ace, as playing a leading role in popularizing rap versions of pop songs. His feuds with other rappers have been covered by Atlanta Black Star [9] among others, and he received significant coverage in a 2021 Complex.com article on the Jacksonville rap community. [10]. Police blotter news articles about his shootings and death can fill in the gaps for a concise, neutral, and fair biography that is fully compliant with all WP policies. --Animalparty! ( talk) 17:56, 29 June 2024 (UTC)
- Delete - no point in creating an article for someone who was irrelevant as a rapper when alive and a gangster
103.75.195.51 (
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02:43, 30 June 2024 (UTC)
- The majority does seem to find his article valid in this discussion. Although opinion and guidelines are two different things I understand. 2600:1005:A017:1BB:A844:C313:B47E:CA62 ( talk) 19:55, 6 July 2024 (UTC)
- Keep The article has been significantly improved since nomination. Passes GNG. Thriley ( talk) 04:22, 30 June 2024 (UTC)
- I've spent the past hour removing all the original research and unsourced content shovelled in yesterday as part of the "improvement".
Magnolia677 (
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10:46, 30 June 2024 (UTC)
- I still think he meets GNG based on the material Animalparty collected. Thriley ( talk) 15:45, 30 June 2024 (UTC)
- I've spent the past hour removing all the original research and unsourced content shovelled in yesterday as part of the "improvement".
Magnolia677 (
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10:46, 30 June 2024 (UTC)
- Keep Rapper is notable and article has been improved a lot. Elektrinhooo ( talk) 09:50, 30 June 2024 (UTC)
- Keep worked with famous producer Zaytoven, viral diss tracks, multiple articles and videos covering Foolio and the jacksonville gang war. Tabratic ( talk) 14:40, 30 June 2024 (UTC)
Delete: Not notable enough and makes the same music as any gangsta rapper— Preceding unsigned comment added by 103.75.195.51 ( talk) 18:54, 30 June 2024 (UTC)- Comment every gangsta rapper talks about the same stuff in their music. most of what’s popular today is “gangsta rap”
Tabratic (
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19:23, 30 June 2024 (UTC)
- Comment that doesnot mean they should have their own page especially when his songs were not even blowin upp
103.75.195.51 (
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04:54, 1 July 2024 (UTC)
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Tabratic and
103.75.195.51: Please do not double vote.
Bremps
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18:20, 1 July 2024 (UTC)
- Duplicate votes struck or modified as comments. 💥Casualty • Hop along. • 22:34, 2 July 2024 (UTC)
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Tabratic and
103.75.195.51: Please do not double vote.
Bremps
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18:20, 1 July 2024 (UTC)
- Comment that doesnot mean they should have their own page especially when his songs were not even blowin upp
103.75.195.51 (
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04:54, 1 July 2024 (UTC)
- Comment every gangsta rapper talks about the same stuff in their music. most of what’s popular today is “gangsta rap”
Tabratic (
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19:23, 30 June 2024 (UTC)
- Keep: Enough coverage to establish notability. Fair for me to say passes GNG-- Robertjamal12 ~🔔 16:29, 1 July 2024 (UTC)
- Strong Keep: Received coverage in several sources considered reliable by WP:MUSIC/SOURCE prior to his passing. Here are some examples: AllHipHop, HotNewHipHop, HipHopDx This could further be supported by a WP:GNG table. Célestin Denis ( talk) 00:46, 2 July 2024 (UTC)
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- Keep in accordance with
User:Célestin Denis. No major charting or certification does not disqualify coverage. Foolio is notable.
Atomicpowur (
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01:50, 6 July 2024 (UTC)
- Foolio is definitely a noticeable and well-renowned artist. I wouldn't delete this page. He falls under the category of hip-hop artists killed by gun violence. Which has its on list of all notable hip-hop artists that have died. There is more information about him within interviews hosted online. 2600:1005:A017:1BB:A844:C313:B47E:CA62 ( talk) 19:52, 6 July 2024 (UTC)
- Keep: Rapper is notable. Keep it. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 118.173.111.140 ( talk) 15:56, 9 July 2024 (UTC)
Mama Lion
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Fails WP:GNG and WP:NBAND. Sources only mentioned in passing. Don't appear to have any charted or had a significant impact. Mdann52 ( talk) 11:52, 26 June 2024 (UTC)
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- Comment: Coverage in
newspapers.
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14:19, 26 June 2024 (UTC)
- Most of that appears unrelated to the band. Mdann52 ( talk) 14:47, 26 June 2024 (UTC)
- ATD: Merge or redirect to Lynn Carey, although that article has several issues on its own. Geschichte ( talk) 19:46, 26 June 2024 (UTC)
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VL Mike
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Fails WP:NMUSIC as individual artist. Connected purely to Chopper City Boyz with no notable coverage or discography, and like Freaky Tah, any ongoing coverage centers around his death more than his music. Redirect to Chopper City Boyz if not outright deletion. 💥Casualty • Hop along. • 23:01, 24 June 2024 (UTC)
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- Merge to Chopper City Boyz as the subject fails WP:MUSICBIO Vorann Gencov ( talk) 10:24, 9 July 2024 (UTC)
- Redirect to Chopper City Boyz. I don't see this article being notable for the time being. Galaxybeing ( talk) 11:02, 9 July 2024 (UTC)
Dwaram Bhavanarayana Rao
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This seems to be a case of WP:INHERITED notability, given people largely talk about him in relation to his father. I can't check two of the sources here (and one is a WP:NOBITS) but the one I could find, as well as my searches of the internet returned no new sources for WP:GNG. Allan Nonymous ( talk) 19:36, 21 June 2024 (UTC)
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- Keep: I find this [11] and this [12] which I think is the same person that is the subject of the wiki article. Name or portions of the name seem to be very common, so it's hard to determine notability in sources. Oaktree b ( talk) 00:40, 29 June 2024 (UTC)
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Moved from WP:AFC after decline, fails WP:NSINGER. Theroadislong ( talk) 08:52, 10 July 2024 (UTC)
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- Delete as notability is not established. As this has already been deleted and then declined at AfC I don’t think there’s any point in draftifying. Mccapra ( talk) 11:37, 10 July 2024 (UTC)
Noah Robertson (musician)
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This is a biography of a thirteen-year-old boy. The only claim to supposed notability (badly sourced) is that he won a prize in an obscure busking competition, about which the Australian media seems to say next to nothing. AndyTheGrump ( talk) 20:04, 9 July 2024 (UTC)
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- Keep @ AndyTheGrump: it is feeling to me like uncollegial WP:FOLLOWING - you took two articles that I started to AfD in the space of one day. This article has reliable sources which are non-trivial. 1, 2 I have no idea why you think that a fourteen year old cannot be notable. The Berkshire Eagle (Published daily since 1892) is clearly a reliable source so I removed your unreliable tags unless you can state why the source is unreliable. Lightburst ( talk) 22:36, 9 July 2024 (UTC)
- Why on earth do you think that local media for Berkshire, Massachusetts would be reliable for content concerning obscure busking contests in Australia? They clearly aren't if they are claiming that this child won the event. He didn't. He won the 'primary' section: presumably for primary-school-age children.
[1] I have no idea why you are trying to concoct 'notability' for a thirteen-or-fourteen-year-old busker, but it seems grossly inappropriate to me, given the questionable sourcing, the lack of evidence that the events he competed in are of any real significance, and the obvious privacy concerns in revealing personal details about a minor.
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- I have added sources - I think this is clearly a notable guitar player/songwriter based on the RS. A reliable source can report on events from other places but I added sources that call out the same wins. I also reverted your removal of the win when he was ten, and added an additional source for it. \
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23:37, 9 July 2024 (UTC)
- Coverage of Roberson doesn't come within a mile of meeting
WP:MUSICBIO. None of the sources cited even offer significant commentary on his performances. He's a kid who's won a couple of obscure prizes for kids, that's all.
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23:55, 9 July 2024 (UTC)
- Either SNG or GNG has to be met per our
WP:N guide. The article has multiple non-trivial RS about the person so they meet GNG. There are no BLP or privacy concerns so the "think of the children" argument is a non-starter.
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00:31, 10 July 2024 (UTC)
- If I want advice on WP:BLP, I'll ask for advice from someone who doesn't think that the name of a non-notable younger sister of a kid who's won a couple of kids' busking competition belongs in an article.
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00:38, 10 July 2024 (UTC)
- Tilly was name dropped in two publications, and one mentioned her as his roadie... but I did not contest your removal. FYI: it is normal to mention siblings and children in articles but I guess if you are adversarial you can find all sorts of threads to pull. I will move on after I finish adding archives so that others can read the non-trivial RS.
Lightburst (
talk)
00:53, 10 July 2024 (UTC)
- Read
WP:BLPNAME, and the accompanying note 'e'.
AndyTheGrump (
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02:03, 10 July 2024 (UTC)
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PRS Guitars is one of the three major guitar manufacturing companies in the U.S. and in 2023 they named Noah Robertson as one of their artists. It is a big deal especially for someone so young. When I added the information, the nominator erased it twice calling it "promotional". And now the nominator threatens me with ANI if I restore it. So I have to leave now to avoid this unnecessary drama. Here is more drama about this subject.
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Lightburst (
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02:38, 10 July 2024 (UTC)
- This is an AfD discussion. One where notability is demonstrated through significant coverage in independent sources. Which doesn't include guitar company websites plugging their own products. AndyTheGrump ( talk) 02:46, 10 July 2024 (UTC)
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PRS Guitars is one of the three major guitar manufacturing companies in the U.S. and in 2023 they named Noah Robertson as one of their artists. It is a big deal especially for someone so young. When I added the information, the nominator erased it twice calling it "promotional". And now the nominator threatens me with ANI if I restore it. So I have to leave now to avoid this unnecessary drama. Here is more drama about this subject.
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Lightburst (
talk)
02:38, 10 July 2024 (UTC)
- Read
WP:BLPNAME, and the accompanying note 'e'.
AndyTheGrump (
talk)
02:03, 10 July 2024 (UTC)
- Tilly was name dropped in two publications, and one mentioned her as his roadie... but I did not contest your removal. FYI: it is normal to mention siblings and children in articles but I guess if you are adversarial you can find all sorts of threads to pull. I will move on after I finish adding archives so that others can read the non-trivial RS.
Lightburst (
talk)
00:53, 10 July 2024 (UTC)
- If I want advice on WP:BLP, I'll ask for advice from someone who doesn't think that the name of a non-notable younger sister of a kid who's won a couple of kids' busking competition belongs in an article.
AndyTheGrump (
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00:38, 10 July 2024 (UTC)
- Either SNG or GNG has to be met per our
WP:N guide. The article has multiple non-trivial RS about the person so they meet GNG. There are no BLP or privacy concerns so the "think of the children" argument is a non-starter.
Lightburst (
talk)
00:31, 10 July 2024 (UTC)
- Coverage of Roberson doesn't come within a mile of meeting
WP:MUSICBIO. None of the sources cited even offer significant commentary on his performances. He's a kid who's won a couple of obscure prizes for kids, that's all.
AndyTheGrump (
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23:55, 9 July 2024 (UTC)
- I have added sources - I think this is clearly a notable guitar player/songwriter based on the RS. A reliable source can report on events from other places but I added sources that call out the same wins. I also reverted your removal of the win when he was ten, and added an additional source for it. \
Lightburst (
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23:37, 9 July 2024 (UTC)
- Delete: I'm not sure winning junior music competitions are what we're looking for... "Congratulations to our Year 7 student Noah Robertson who won first place in the ... guitar gift pack and $500 Colemans Music voucher." This is not notable. I mean, the article has sourcing but winning a guitar and 500 bucks isn't what gets you a wikipedia article. Oaktree b ( talk) 00:03, 10 July 2024 (UTC)
- Delete. The WP:GNG provisions on sourcing are subject to a second test: whether the subject warrants a standalone page. A few policies bear on this to say no: (1) WP:BLP1E. The article uses newspaper sources to describe as notable for winning a (non-notable) busking competition, but since that's the limit of his notability (at the moment), that's one event and he should not have a page here. (2) The busking competition would fall under WP:NEVENTS, which appears to be covered in "the brief, often light and amusing (for example bear-in-a-tree or local-person-wins-award), stories that frequently appear in the back pages of newspapers" per WP:ROUTINE. It's not notable, and even if it were, the notability does not transfer to its winner. And (3) we would want to rely on more than human interest reporting per WP:NEWSORG, which states that "[h]uman interest reporting is generally not as reliable as news reporting, and may not be subject to the same rigorous standards of fact-checking and accuracy." Bottom line: The subject may become notable in the future, but under these policies he is not right now. Dclemens1971 ( talk) 03:00, 10 July 2024 (UTC)
- Delete: with no prejudice against draftifying it for the reasons outlined by Dclemens1971. TarnishedPath talk 05:43, 10 July 2024 (UTC)
- Note: Thanks
TarnishedPath for the draft idea. I would accept a draft or to have the article moved to my userspace. The AfD was
canvassed at WPO so I have no confidence in the fairness of the AfD result. The AfD is also
discussed at
WP:ANI right now and that may allow others to arrive here in an unorganic way.
Lightburst (
talk)
05:56, 10 July 2024 (UTC)
- @ Lightburst, I only think possible draft because it is apparent that he might be attending some contest in Berkshire. Who knows what may come of that though. TarnishedPath talk 06:07, 10 July 2024 (UTC)
- and if this does go to draft, I'd expect it to be submitted through AfC if/when editor/s felt it was ready for mainspace. TarnishedPath talk 06:08, 10 July 2024 (UTC)
- Ps, I was aware that the article was being discussed at WP:ANI as that is how I found my way here. Although I might have found my way here anyway given it was included in the deletion sorting for Australia. TarnishedPath talk 06:11, 10 July 2024 (UTC)
- Note: Thanks
TarnishedPath for the draft idea. I would accept a draft or to have the article moved to my userspace. The AfD was
canvassed at WPO so I have no confidence in the fairness of the AfD result. The AfD is also
discussed at
WP:ANI right now and that may allow others to arrive here in an unorganic way.
Lightburst (
talk)
05:56, 10 July 2024 (UTC)
- Delete per the careful analysis of
Dclemens1971. I also want to say that I resent Lightburst's preemptive strike above against "the fairness of the AfD result" and against commenters here as potentially "unorganic". Why couldn't people just as well have their attention drawn by WPO and/or ANI and then vote Keep? Way to assume bad faith.
Bishonen |
tålk
10:13, 10 July 2024 (UTC).
- Agreed, it seems that WPO has a bit of a broad audience and I don't think one could take a casual comment by a user of that website that they had started an AfD as an invitation to only those that would vote delete. TarnishedPath talk 10:59, 10 July 2024 (UTC)
- Delete per WP:NOTJUSTYET. There's no deadline, and chances look promising the subject will merit an article in the future. I would also echo Dclemens1971 spot on analysis and rationale. Isaidnoway (talk) 12:17, 10 July 2024 (UTC)
Willie XO
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Non notable musician. Fails WP:GNG. No significant coverage. Majority of the references are just from mere blog talking about his music. It is also clearly written by the creator the subject paid for billboard advertising. This doesn’t even sound like a biography but a promotional work and majority of the contribution are from the creator suck puppet account /info/en/?search=Category:Wikipedia_sockpuppets_of_Mark_Yung_Chukwuebuka user:MarkIblog for reference. Gabriel (talk to me ) 09:35, 8 July 2024 (UTC)
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- Delete: I don’t see how this passes WP:NMUSICIAN or WP:GNG. Looks very promotional too without imparting any useful information. Vanderwaalforces ( talk) 10:01, 8 July 2024 (UTC)
- Delete Fails WP:NMUSIC. No chart activity or notable label work, the usual namedropping of famous artists in attempt to establish notability, and promotional-sounding sources. Never mind the horribly written article with all proper names in lowercase. 💥Casualty • Hop along. • 09:02, 9 July 2024 (UTC)
- Delete: I can't see how his music comfort you made itself notable before raising the artist to prominence, promotionally raising a music to stream 20m views on YouTube. The sources sounds advertorial —announcement of new album/release. Safari Scribe Edits! Talk! 01:48, 10 July 2024 (UTC)
Otherwize
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Article about a non-notable rapper. Sources are passing mentions and nothing indepth on the subject. I don't see it satisfies WP:NMUSICBIO or WP:GNG. Jamiebuba ( talk) 07:50, 8 July 2024 (UTC)
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- Delete per both WP:NOTINHERITED and WP:NMUSIC. His only claim to fame is attached to Eminem, and that was 27 years ago. No notable discography or chart activity, and the titles of the citations in the article don't even mention the subject, but other rappers. 💥Casualty • Hop along. • 20:29, 8 July 2024 (UTC)
- Keep per WP:NMUSIC. WP:NMUSIC states "Musicians ... may be notable if they meet at least one of the following criteria." Otherwize clearly meets 3 of the criteria: #1, #7, and #9.
- 1. He has been featured in multiple documentaries (Where We're From and Freestyle: The Art of Rhyme), books (The Come Up, The Way I Am, King Khule, Born a Villain), and articles (HipHopDX, etc.). His prominence in the documentaries have nothing to do with Eminem, so they are not inherited notability.
- 7. In Where We're From, Otherwize is cited as the most prominent battle rapper in his region (LA) during this era. That has nothing to do with Eminem, so it's not inherited notability.
- 9. Otherwize won 1st Place and 3rd Place in major national music competitions (Rap Olympics '97 and Scribble Jam '99). Granted, one of those was defeating Eminem, but the other one was not, and they are still placings in national music competitions regardless of who he defeated. So this is not inherited notability.
- He is also part of a notable crew called Project Blowed, which is also a subject of documentaries (This is the Life and Hip-Hop Evolution). He featured on the important Los Angeles underground albums Beneath the Surface and Cater to the DJ. Hierarchitectitiptitoploftical ( talk) 20:45, 9 July 2024 (UTC)
Yaki Kadafi
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Multiple times contested WP:BLAR; notability is WP:NOTINHERITED from this musician's main group, Outlawz. Jalen Folf (Bark[s]) 15:43, 7 July 2024 (UTC)
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- Delete Twice I've redirected the article to Outlawz only to have it reverted by an SPA. Anyway, he doesn't meet WP:NMUSIC guidelines as a solo artist while he (and the group) is only known for his association with 2Pac, and I don't see him getting any more notable as his career was so short and he is long deceased. Since this is its third trip to AfD, perhaps a salting is also in order. 💥Casualty • Hop along. • 20:04, 8 July 2024 (UTC)
Blimus
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Article is quite old, band seems to be long-since defunct. No real evidence of meeting WP:MUSIC. No hits, no awards, no label, etc. None of the links are archived on archive.org, two are just listings on the programme for a festival. The BBC interview is the most promising but an interview alone wouldn't support an article, and looking at the URL it seems like it was actually a promotional listing for that same festival, rather than a journalistic interview. Googling around it seems to mostly be Wikipedia mirrors at this point. Here2rewrite ( talk) 20:26, 6 July 2024 (UTC)
- Delete I found some media coverage from 2010 and apparently they were active as late as 2011, but mostly it's just Wikipedia mirrors. -- Un assiolo ( talk) 20:39, 6 July 2024 (UTC)
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- Looks OK to delete. That 2010 interview on Surrey Live consists mostly of deliberately nonsensical quotes by band member Graham Hill. Attention-getting, yes. Notable in the Wikipedia sense, no. Cielquiparle ( talk) 22:17, 6 July 2024 (UTC)
- Delete: No sources found for this band, only two hits on the word in Gnews, one of which is in German, both are unrelated. Article now is thread-bare with minimal sourcing. Oaktree b ( talk) 22:50, 6 July 2024 (UTC)
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Nuckle Brothers
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I wasn't able to find significant coverage of the subject in reliable sources. There's the 50 words in the OC Weekly article that's linked already, and there are mentions in student newspapers like the Daily Titan ( [2], [3], [4]), but they can't establish notability. toweli ( talk) 15:59, 6 July 2024 (UTC)
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- Delete, fails WP:NBAND including #7 - not one of the more prominent purveyors of Orange County ska. Geschichte ( talk) 19:30, 6 July 2024 (UTC)
Mehran Tebyani
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Moved from draft by conflicted editor, no evidence of passing WP:GNG primary sources and interviews don't help with notability. Theroadislong ( talk) 08:06, 6 July 2024 (UTC)
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- Redraftify until notability issues fixed.
Procyon117 (
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14:29, 6 July 2024 (UTC)
- Mehran Tebyani
- is a notable figure in the field of music, particularly recognized for being the first Iranian conductor to hold a doctoral degree. His contributions to the music industry are significant and well-documented. Here are key points highlighting his notability and accomplishments:
- Academic Achievements: Mehran Tebyani holds a doctoral degree, making him the first Iranian conductor to achieve this level of academic success in the field.
- Publications: He has published a book in Iran, which contributes to his recognition as a scholar and expert in music.
- Media Coverage: Tebyani has been interviewed by numerous newspapers in Iran, demonstrating his influence and prominence in the Iranian music scene.
- Radio Sessions: During his time in Los Angeles, he hosted a radio session dedicated to the history of music for one year, further showcasing his expertise and commitment to educating the public about music.
- Concerts and Performances: He has conducted several concerts at UCLA in Los Angeles, adding to his international recognition and illustrating his active involvement in the music community.
- Dr.Hana jalili ( talk) 06:35, 10 July 2024 (UTC)
Finley Jeffrey
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Article created by user with COI. Immediately PRODed, but unPRODed by same user with no explanation. BLP has many "citation needed" tags and the only two citations present do not appear to be independent and reliable. Subject shows no notability. GoldRomean ( talk) 00:31, 5 July 2024 (UTC)
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- Delete: Gseach is straight to social media, then not much else pops up. Flowery wording, but nothing found in sources to support the claims made. Lack of sourcing. Oaktree b ( talk) 00:36, 5 July 2024 (UTC)
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- Delete The subject fails WP:SINGER and the two cited sources do not establish notability. Gödel2200 ( talk) 13:54, 5 July 2024 (UTC)
- Delete: This article reads like an advertisement and doesn't provide any credible sources to back up its claims. It seems promotional rather than informative. Waqar 💬 18:33, 6 July 2024 (UTC)
Pradum (actor)
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Fails WP:NACTOR.
Declined drafts: Draft:Pradum Shukla (actor), Draft:Pradum Shukla KH-1 ( talk) 04:40, 4 July 2024 (UTC)
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- Delete, fails WP:NACTOR, two minor roles so far, and I can only find passing mentions of him in routine film listings. Wikishovel ( talk) 15:41, 8 July 2024 (UTC)
Ammar Kofi
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Crosswiki spam of a singer of very doubtful notability. Long past the time limit for draftification without a consensus here, and I think deletion would be appropriate. Mccapra ( talk) 21:24, 3 July 2024 (UTC)
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- Delete: This [5] appears to be an interview... It's about all I find. The article now only has one source. Even with the one I found, we still don't have enough for notability. Oaktree b ( talk) 23:59, 3 July 2024 (UTC)
Kamal Gray
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Per WP:BANDMEMBER, Redirect to The Roots#Band lineup. Extremely little coverage can be found to justify notability, except articles about his donation of 25,000$ and a strange biographical article/interview/financial advice piece [6] published by UBS. Broc ( talk) 20:50, 3 July 2024 (UTC)
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- Keep: The articles about his donations are in reputable sources and speak to his notability as a member of
The Roots, and the genre/format of the UBS article is not relevant to whether it counts as a source to establish notability. His notability comes from his being a member of
The Roots and the sources confirm that.
Hexatekin (
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03:13, 4 July 2024 (UTC)
- Per
WP:BANDMEMBER, being a member of a notable band does not imply the subject has independent notability.
Broc (
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15:55, 4 July 2024 (UTC)
- I wasn't aware of the BANDMEMBER policy. I still think there is more press on him, maybe in magazines. Will try to improve references. Looking at
Wikipedia:Notability (people)#Creative professionals, as an early and ongoing member of
The Roots, I'd say he qualifies for these 2 for sure: "The person has received a well-known and significant award or honor, or has been nominated for such an award several times, or The person has made a widely recognized contribution that is part of the enduring historical record in a specific field".
Hexatekin (
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16:27, 5 July 2024 (UTC)
- Keep. Several notable band affiliations. Keystone18 ( talk) 18:20, 5 July 2024 (UTC)
- I wasn't aware of the BANDMEMBER policy. I still think there is more press on him, maybe in magazines. Will try to improve references. Looking at
Wikipedia:Notability (people)#Creative professionals, as an early and ongoing member of
The Roots, I'd say he qualifies for these 2 for sure: "The person has received a well-known and significant award or honor, or has been nominated for such an award several times, or The person has made a widely recognized contribution that is part of the enduring historical record in a specific field".
Hexatekin (
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16:27, 5 July 2024 (UTC)
- Per
WP:BANDMEMBER, being a member of a notable band does not imply the subject has independent notability.
Broc (
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15:55, 4 July 2024 (UTC)
- Redirect to The Roots#Band lineup. Per WP:MUSIC a musician who has been a reasonably prominent member of two or more independently notable ensembles is notable. Gray is a member of The Roots and The Tonight Show Band, both have WP articles. But he doesn't meet WP:SIGCOV. Tau Corvi ( talk) 12:17, 10 July 2024 (UTC)
The Rudiments
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I couldn't find convincing evidence they meet WP:NBAND / WP:GNG. They have been with more than one record label, so there are several potential redirect targets, though I am not sure which would be preferable. I wouldn't propose a merge as there is no sourced information. Boleyn ( talk) 19:32, 2 July 2024 (UTC)
- Delete: No sources, article does not have an encyclopedic tone. Also I couldn't find how they were notable for a Wikipedia article. Myrealnamm ( 💬pros · ✏️cons) 20:08, 2 July 2024 (UTC)
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- Delete: No strong sources, a conversational style, and no clear claim to fame for the band. Waqar 💬 15:13, 3 July 2024 (UTC)
- Comment. There is a case for WP:NBAND#5, but the search (which the above voters may or may not have conducted) came up a little light. One EP review in Maximum Rocknroll, two sizeable reviews by In Music We Trust as well as another good one by Allmusic. The band predates most of the current Internet Geschichte ( talk) 08:19, 4 July 2024 (UTC)
- Keep in view of the multiple reliable sources coverage identified above by Geschiste. Haven't done a full search yet, imv Atlantic306 ( talk) 22:37, 4 July 2024 (UTC)
- Keep: In addition to what has been linked, there is another review by AllMusic. toweli ( talk) 12:45, 6 July 2024 (UTC)
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Asger Svendsen
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Could find very little through a Google search; no WP:SIGCOV, only passing mentions. Reference on the article's page is a dead link, and an external link is from a primary source (via Wayback Machine) that doesn't look as though it has been updated since about 2008. Doesn't seem to pass WP:MUSICBIO or WP:GNG. ExRat ( talk) 22:36, 1 July 2024 (UTC)
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- Delete – I found this article about Svendsen in Sydsvenskan that discusses his career at length. However, this is the only piece of significant coverage that I could find. If more sources were found of this quality I would support keeping the article, but as it stands there is not enough coverage to meet general notability. Uffda608 ( talk) 11:36, 2 July 2024 (UTC)
- Keep. There's also this somewhat shorter piece from Politiken. Barely passes my interpretation of WP:GNG. / Julle ( talk) 21:49, 5 July 2024 (UTC)
- Delete: Fails
WP:ANYBIO,
WP:MUSICBIO, and
WP:SIGCOV. The Politiken link is not to an article, but is a biographical entry. Depending on its context—does the newspaper host some kind of national musical lexicon?—it might help the subject meet criterion 3 of
WP:ANYBIO. —
CurryTime7-24 (
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- Comment - The text in Politikken is an article. It was published in connection with Svendsen's 70th birthday; thus the "biographical" style. / FredrikT ( talk) 08:20, 7 July 2024 (UTC)
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- weak keep: This [7] from 1979 but Google only gives me a snippet view due to copyright. He taught in Sweden for a while, there is some coverage there, [8] With those listed above, we have just barely enough. Oaktree b ( talk) 00:27, 9 July 2024 (UTC)
- Delete subject fails to meet WP:MUSICBIO and WP:GNG Vorann Gencov ( talk) 10:58, 9 July 2024 (UTC)
- Delete: Clearly non-notable. Only one reference exists, and even then it's a permanent dead link.
Haruka
Amaranth
14:30, 9 July 2024 (UTC)
- HarukaAmaranth: Did you see the sources mentioned earlier in this discussion? I've now added a couple of them to the article. / Julle ( talk) 21:17, 9 July 2024 (UTC)
- Delete as it does not meet WP:GNG. NoobThreePointOh ( talk) 14:32, 9 July 2024 (UTC)
Bus (group)
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Non-notable band. Article was moved from draft space and I originally returned it. After examining the article I noticed that it claim the band started 6 December 2023. However, the the only reference was published 2 February 2021. This was at least 17 months before auditions started. In addition the reference seemed to be about three young women and not twelve young men. The article provides no references for a band that has only released two singles and was created by a non-notable reality show, 789 SURVIVAL. CambridgeBayWeather (solidly non-human), Uqaqtuq (talk), Huliva 22:19, 29 June 2024 (UTC)
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- Comment: The citation currently in the article was clearly incorrectly inserted, probably the result of an inappropriate copy/paste job. But may I remind the nominator that
Notability is based on the existence of suitable sources, not on the state of sourcing in an article. A Google News search for
BUS 789 Survival turns up plenty of Thai-language coverage. (I'm not !voting keep just yet due to quality concerns raised by the aforementioned copy/pasting). --
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02:45, 30 June 2024 (UTC)
- Yes but as said the band does not appear to be notable. CambridgeBayWeather (solidly non-human), Uqaqtuq (talk), Huliva 15:07, 30 June 2024 (UTC)
- Comment: Their music have already been released. The band was split into 2 different subunits: BUS5 and BUS7. It should be easier to find sources from these 2 names. -- Lerdsuwa ( talk) 02:42, 2 July 2024 (UTC)
- Draftify. Should not linger in mainspace with WP:V problems that are basic in nature: Who are Bus? Are they one or two groups? Who are in those two groups? Geschichte ( talk) 21:16, 4 July 2024 (UTC)
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Muuse Ismaciil Qalinle
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Contested PROD. The sources do not demonstrate notability under WP:GNG, WP:NBIO, or WP:NMUSIC. (The first source is some kind of WP:USERGENERATED list of MP3 files, the second source has a single WP:TRIVIALMENTION of the subject, and the third fails verification entirely, referencing an entirely different individual with the patronym "Qalinle.") Edited to add: an editor has added a reference to Somali Culture and Folklore, pages 63-64. I do not believe this is a valid reference; the book itself is 64 pages and according to Google Books pages 63 and 64 appear to be index pages; Qalinle does not appear as a search term. Additional qualifying sources were not found in my WP:BEFORE search. Dclemens1971 ( talk) 19:09, 29 June 2024 (UTC)
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Julio Foolio
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Fails WP:BASIC, WP:ANYBIO, and WP:MUSICBIO. No indication of awards or charted songs. No notable biographical details prior to his death. Magnolia677 ( talk) 10:49, 27 June 2024 (UTC)
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- Delete we don't need every ganga rapper who have been shot dead. Not notable enough —
Iadmc
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- if you actually do research you would now he has bean a notable artist in Florida since about 2018 2600:8805:D1B:7500:1322:CAB:414A:D0A0 ( talk) 19:50, 27 June 2024 (UTC) - — 2600:8805:D1B:7500:1322:CAB:414A:D0A0 ( talk) has made few or no other edits outside this topic.
- Delete: Doesn't pass musical notability; coverage is only about his death. I gave up after 20 pages in Gnews trying to find mentions of him before his passing. Simply not a notable performer.
Oaktree b (
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16:37, 27 June 2024 (UTC)
- Keep - Rapper is notable. Particularly within Florida. Jattlife121 ( talk) 20:21, 27 June 2024 (UTC)
- Keep this page, definitely. I have known about this rapper for years, and I am not a big rap fan. The fact that he has been known for so long indicates notability. Dag21902190 ( talk) 12:43, 7 July 2024 (UTC)
Delete Fails WP:NMUSIC. Another no-name rapper whose death has made more headlines than his (non-notable) music. Dead rappers always make headlines no matter how obscure they are.Changing vote to keep after performing article cleanup. There is considerable coverage about the subject, but it's mainly about his role in the Jville gang wars while his actual music career is virtually irrelevant. Would also like to see primary SoundCloud citations replaced with reliable sources. 💥Casualty • Hop along. • 21:41, 2 July 2024 (UTC)- Agreed. We need to keep this up. STGInfo ( talk) 14:11, 3 July 2024 (UTC)
- Comment Perhaps this article should be about his death? It got major coverage in many major outlets. Thriley ( talk) 22:31, 27 June 2024 (UTC)
- Keep - Rapper is notable. Particularly within Florida especially in Jacksonville and through the south. He has many notations in different news articles. Foolio is also is featured on Pimp of the Nation album by Natalac Featuring international recording artist sean paul, grammy award winning Project Pat, Three 6 Mafia Member La Chat, Pastor Troy, Ying Yang Twins, Keak da Sneak to name a few who all are very Notable rappers Yameka ( talk) 03:48, 28 June 2024 (UTC)
- His death is certainly covered but his music and life? We need sources for these.@ Yameka — Iadmc ♫ talk 06:46, 28 June 2024 (UTC)
Sources — Preceding unsigned comment added by Yameka ( talk • contribs) 23:55, 29 June 2024 (UTC)
- https://www.allmusic.com/album/pimp-of-the-nation-mw0003174654
- https://www.allmusic.com/album/pimp-of-the-nation-mw0003174654#credits
- https://www.makinitmag.com/updates/natalac/2018/03/djs-says-natalac-pimp-nation-lp-classic-material
- https://g.co/kgs/m6zgJcJ
- Also there are Radio Edit and Explicit versions released Pimp of the Nation & Pimp of the Nation (Radio Edit)
- This project was released Presidents Day 2018 aka feb 19th 2018 in hard copies throughout the south and online on all platforms
Yameka (
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23:51, 29 June 2024 (UTC)
- Sources
- News Article .. First Coast News contacted Jacksonville Rapper Natalac and got his and the sheriff of Jacksonville input on Julio Foolio outcome. Natalac with his decades of experince with Hip Hop & younger rappers he worked with through messages through music.. he chose Foolio for his 11th Studio Album with grammy award winners etc. with their song Bridge This Gap a song to send a positive message. On natalac Pimp of the Nation. going by this article
- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nbEiSj5yhHA
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https://www.firstcoastnews.com/article/news/local/jacksonville-rapper-natalac-experience-with-foolio/77-6c775f01-b3bf-4232-8611-36190b187882
Yameka (
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00:20, 30 June 2024 (UTC)
- @
Yameka Don't double or triple-vote, please.
Bremps
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04:52, 30 June 2024 (UTC)
- ok i fixed that. Good day Yameka ( talk) 07:29, 30 June 2024 (UTC)
- @
Yameka Don't double or triple-vote, please.
Bremps
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04:52, 30 June 2024 (UTC)
- Delete: Artist is fails notability guidelines. There's barely any coverage I could find apart from his death.
I do think we could have an article about his death like @ Thriley suggested, though.DaCrashy ( T. C.) 16:34, 28 June 2024 (UTC)
- Please see WP:ONEEVENT. -- Magnolia677 ( talk) 18:20, 28 June 2024 (UTC)
- Comment Interesting how all the “keep” votes are repeating the “he’s notable because he’s from Florida” mantra, and verbatim to boot (“Rapper is notable. Particularly within Florida”). Florida does not represent the entire country. 💥Casualty • Hop along. • 19:31, 28 June 2024 (UTC)
- Or indeed the world! — Iadmc ♫ talk 04:05, 29 June 2024 (UTC)
- Keep. While BIO1E and 1E are extremely important these don't apply here. Wikipedians apply these too much after violent deaths. In a way this makes sense. It's an unusual feature. Still, we should work by policy and guidelines. The keep is by GNG. gidonb ( talk) 15:25, 29 June 2024 (UTC)
- Keep per WP:GNG. Foolio was the subject of multiple independent coverage even before his death. In 2019, Vulture.com, in reviewing Never Wanted Fame, wrote the mixtape "establishes Foolio as one of the most gripping, irresistible rappers working today." In 2021, Vice credited Foolio, along with Yungeen Ace, as playing a leading role in popularizing rap versions of pop songs. His feuds with other rappers have been covered by Atlanta Black Star [9] among others, and he received significant coverage in a 2021 Complex.com article on the Jacksonville rap community. [10]. Police blotter news articles about his shootings and death can fill in the gaps for a concise, neutral, and fair biography that is fully compliant with all WP policies. --Animalparty! ( talk) 17:56, 29 June 2024 (UTC)
- Delete - no point in creating an article for someone who was irrelevant as a rapper when alive and a gangster
103.75.195.51 (
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02:43, 30 June 2024 (UTC)
- The majority does seem to find his article valid in this discussion. Although opinion and guidelines are two different things I understand. 2600:1005:A017:1BB:A844:C313:B47E:CA62 ( talk) 19:55, 6 July 2024 (UTC)
- Keep The article has been significantly improved since nomination. Passes GNG. Thriley ( talk) 04:22, 30 June 2024 (UTC)
- I've spent the past hour removing all the original research and unsourced content shovelled in yesterday as part of the "improvement".
Magnolia677 (
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10:46, 30 June 2024 (UTC)
- I still think he meets GNG based on the material Animalparty collected. Thriley ( talk) 15:45, 30 June 2024 (UTC)
- I've spent the past hour removing all the original research and unsourced content shovelled in yesterday as part of the "improvement".
Magnolia677 (
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10:46, 30 June 2024 (UTC)
- Keep Rapper is notable and article has been improved a lot. Elektrinhooo ( talk) 09:50, 30 June 2024 (UTC)
- Keep worked with famous producer Zaytoven, viral diss tracks, multiple articles and videos covering Foolio and the jacksonville gang war. Tabratic ( talk) 14:40, 30 June 2024 (UTC)
Delete: Not notable enough and makes the same music as any gangsta rapper— Preceding unsigned comment added by 103.75.195.51 ( talk) 18:54, 30 June 2024 (UTC)- Comment every gangsta rapper talks about the same stuff in their music. most of what’s popular today is “gangsta rap”
Tabratic (
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19:23, 30 June 2024 (UTC)
- Comment that doesnot mean they should have their own page especially when his songs were not even blowin upp
103.75.195.51 (
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04:54, 1 July 2024 (UTC)
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Tabratic and
103.75.195.51: Please do not double vote.
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18:20, 1 July 2024 (UTC)
- Duplicate votes struck or modified as comments. 💥Casualty • Hop along. • 22:34, 2 July 2024 (UTC)
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Tabratic and
103.75.195.51: Please do not double vote.
Bremps
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18:20, 1 July 2024 (UTC)
- Comment that doesnot mean they should have their own page especially when his songs were not even blowin upp
103.75.195.51 (
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04:54, 1 July 2024 (UTC)
- Comment every gangsta rapper talks about the same stuff in their music. most of what’s popular today is “gangsta rap”
Tabratic (
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19:23, 30 June 2024 (UTC)
- Keep: Enough coverage to establish notability. Fair for me to say passes GNG-- Robertjamal12 ~🔔 16:29, 1 July 2024 (UTC)
- Strong Keep: Received coverage in several sources considered reliable by WP:MUSIC/SOURCE prior to his passing. Here are some examples: AllHipHop, HotNewHipHop, HipHopDx This could further be supported by a WP:GNG table. Célestin Denis ( talk) 00:46, 2 July 2024 (UTC)
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- Keep in accordance with
User:Célestin Denis. No major charting or certification does not disqualify coverage. Foolio is notable.
Atomicpowur (
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01:50, 6 July 2024 (UTC)
- Foolio is definitely a noticeable and well-renowned artist. I wouldn't delete this page. He falls under the category of hip-hop artists killed by gun violence. Which has its on list of all notable hip-hop artists that have died. There is more information about him within interviews hosted online. 2600:1005:A017:1BB:A844:C313:B47E:CA62 ( talk) 19:52, 6 July 2024 (UTC)
- Keep: Rapper is notable. Keep it. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 118.173.111.140 ( talk) 15:56, 9 July 2024 (UTC)
Mama Lion
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Fails WP:GNG and WP:NBAND. Sources only mentioned in passing. Don't appear to have any charted or had a significant impact. Mdann52 ( talk) 11:52, 26 June 2024 (UTC)
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- Comment: Coverage in
newspapers.
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- Most of that appears unrelated to the band. Mdann52 ( talk) 14:47, 26 June 2024 (UTC)
- ATD: Merge or redirect to Lynn Carey, although that article has several issues on its own. Geschichte ( talk) 19:46, 26 June 2024 (UTC)
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VL Mike
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Fails WP:NMUSIC as individual artist. Connected purely to Chopper City Boyz with no notable coverage or discography, and like Freaky Tah, any ongoing coverage centers around his death more than his music. Redirect to Chopper City Boyz if not outright deletion. 💥Casualty • Hop along. • 23:01, 24 June 2024 (UTC)
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- Merge to Chopper City Boyz as the subject fails WP:MUSICBIO Vorann Gencov ( talk) 10:24, 9 July 2024 (UTC)
- Redirect to Chopper City Boyz. I don't see this article being notable for the time being. Galaxybeing ( talk) 11:02, 9 July 2024 (UTC)
Dwaram Bhavanarayana Rao
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This seems to be a case of WP:INHERITED notability, given people largely talk about him in relation to his father. I can't check two of the sources here (and one is a WP:NOBITS) but the one I could find, as well as my searches of the internet returned no new sources for WP:GNG. Allan Nonymous ( talk) 19:36, 21 June 2024 (UTC)
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- Keep: I find this [11] and this [12] which I think is the same person that is the subject of the wiki article. Name or portions of the name seem to be very common, so it's hard to determine notability in sources. Oaktree b ( talk) 00:40, 29 June 2024 (UTC)
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