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List of games televised on ESPN Saturday Primetime (  | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – ( View AfD | edits since nomination)

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I'm not finding any sources discussing these games as a group, which are only connected by a single television package. As such, WP:LISTN is not met. Let'srun ( talk) 01:21, 26 July 2024 (UTC) reply

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• Delete per nom; I searched and could not find any independent reliable sources offering significant coverage of this list as a group or set. Left guide ( talk) 04:04, 26 July 2024 (UTC) reply
• Delete per nom. fails WP:NLIST due to no SIGCOV of articles as a group. Frank Anchor 19:39, 26 July 2024 (UTC) reply

Montserrat at the 2002 Commonwealth Games (  | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – ( View AfD | edits since nomination)

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Unnecessary fork. No secondary sources. Fails WP:GNG. Many of these articles have already been deleted, see AfD at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Dominica at the 2010 Commonwealth Games. AusLondonder ( talk) 17:58, 25 July 2024 (UTC) reply

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• Merge this and all others to Montserrat at the Commonwealth Games. Geschichte ( talk) 19:46, 25 July 2024 (UTC) reply

Plug Sports (  | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – ( View AfD | edits since nomination)

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This is a company therefore GNG/ WP:NCORP requires at least two deep or significant sources with each source containing "Independent Content" showing in-depth information *on the company*. "Independent content", in order to count towards establishing notability, must include original and independent opinion, analysis, investigation, and fact checking that are clearly attributable to a source unaffiliated to the subject. I'm unable to identify any references that meet the criteria for establishing notability. The references to date appear to either be PR or announcements or rely entirely on information provided by the company, no in-depth "Independent Content" about the company, failing ORGIND. HighKing ⁺⁺ 14:55, 25 July 2024 (UTC) reply

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White Lotus Conglomerate (  | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – ( View AfD | edits since nomination)

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Article created as WP:NPOVFACT violation to disparage a WP:BLP [1]. Looks multiple unconnected companies listed under the same umbrella tied together to create an elaborate WP:HOAX and many sections unrelated to company. For actual company, WP:RECENT focus on a single event from the 5 years back, see talk page for details. Previous points removed, I believe remaining actual subject of article does not meet WP:NOTABILITY criteria. Hence, recommend for deletion. Hibiscus192255 ( talk) 01:13, 24 July 2024 (UTC) reply

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Delete - I have been editing related articles from many months and I agree with above arguments made. This article’s creation seems a clear [WP:NPOVFACT], there are several unrelated sections and content in the article, minus which it doesn’t meet [WP:NOTABILITY] Rainbowpassion ( talk) 11:38, 24 July 2024 (UTC) reply

Delete - Does look like article scope is bloated, then per WP:SBST, seems an otherwise minor organization that has received news coverage for only 1 event. Does not meet WP:NOTABILITY. The US website reference link provided seems like an unrelated organization. Wikilover3509 ( talk) 03:42, 24 July 2024 (UTC) reply

Delete - As mentioned on the talk page, this article lacks proper referencing. It cites several irrelevant sources that do not mention the company. The article talks about two different companies: one based in Nebraska, USA, and another in Dubai, but there is insufficient evidence linking either to Kalki Bhagwan, his son NKV Krishna, or daughter-in-law Preetha Krishna. Additionally, some sections of the article are unrelated to the company. Notably, all sources referring to the company are from 2019, and there is no relevant information available about the company beyond that period. Moonlight2006 ( talk) 05:21, 24 July 2024 (UTC) reply

Amar Mehta (  | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – ( View AfD | edits since nomination)

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Fails the figure skating notability guidelines. Competed, but did not medal at the World Junior Figure Skating Championships. Astaire ( talk) 23:19, 23 July 2024 (UTC) reply

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• Delete: Unable to find the requisite WP:SIGCOV to meet the WP:GNG for this BLP. Let'srun ( talk) 23:42, 23 July 2024 (UTC) reply
• Delete. Fails WP:NSKATE. PROD was previously removed without explanation. Bgsu98 (Talk) 23:46, 23 July 2024 (UTC) reply
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Czechoslovakia men's national softball team (  | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – ( View AfD | edits since nomination)

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Subject lacks the needed WP:SIGCOV to meet the WP:GNG. Let'srun ( talk) 14:21, 23 July 2024 (UTC) reply

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• Delete Could not find any WP:SIGCOV as well. Vorann Gencov ( talk) 15:21, 23 July 2024 (UTC) reply
• Redirect (and merge?) as this is the predecessor of the Czech Republic men's national softball team per [2] and [3]. C 679 16:09, 23 July 2024 (UTC) reply
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• Redirect to the successor Czech Republic men's national softball team per C679. ⋆｡˚꒰ঌ Clara A. Djalim ໒꒱˚｡⋆ 12:40, 25 July 2024 (UTC) reply

Roc City Hoops Classic (  | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – ( View AfD | edits since nomination)

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Subject does not meet the WP:GNG or WP:NEVENT due to a lack of WP:SIGCOV. Most of the sources here originate from the participating schools and are primary, and a check didn't find much more than some routine game recaps with the event being only mentioned in passing, such as [ [4]]. Appears to be just a routine regular season game. Let'srun ( talk) 14:04, 23 July 2024 (UTC) reply

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• Merge to St. Bonaventure Bonnies men's basketball. A Rochester sports blog says There’s something notable about the game officially known as the Roc City Hoops Classic [5], but there needs to be more than their say-so to keep the article. There is enough local coverage to mention this on St. Bonaventure Bonnies men's basketball, but I don't see enough to keep a stand-alone article. Walsh90210 ( talk) 22:31, 23 July 2024 (UTC) reply

List of sports teams named for the phoenix (  | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – ( View AfD | edits since nomination)

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Similar to Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Sports teams named Trojans or Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/List_of_sports_teams_named_Spartans, this article lacks any sources discussing the grouping and as such WP:NLIST is not met here. A WP:BEFORE didn't reveal anything that could establish notability either. Let'srun ( talk) 21:20, 22 July 2024 (UTC) reply

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• Delete, notability lacking. Dmoore5556 ( talk) 00:51, 23 July 2024 (UTC) reply
• Delete; this looks like textbook WP:OR. Left guide ( talk) 04:31, 23 July 2024 (UTC) reply
• Keep maybe turning it into a disambig. Firstly, it's different from Trojans or Spartans because phoenix club is a separate concept in sports. As a result, there is a significant amount of clubs named Phoenix in one of many spellings (Phoenix, Feniks, Fénix, Phönix), which at least creates a legitimate disambiguation. I don't mind converting it into a disambig but it is too long to be merged in an already huge main disambig Phoenix — NickK ( talk) 07:59, 23 July 2024 (UTC) reply
• Keep but rename Phoenix (sports) or Phoenix (sports teams). The entries properly belong in Phoenix, but as NickK has pointed out, the latter dab page is already very long, so WP:SPLIT applies. Clarityfiend ( talk) 08:33, 24 July 2024 (UTC) reply
• Convert to DAB per Clarityfiend at either title proposed by this user. Fails WP:NLIST due to lack of coverage of these teams as a set or group, but could serve navigational purposes. Frank Anchor 15:55, 25 July 2024 (UTC) reply

  I have no objection to the proposal. Let'srun ( talk) 16:29, 25 July 2024 (UTC) reply

ISU World Standings records and statistics (  | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – ( View AfD | edits since nomination)

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I don't even know what to make of this. An indiscriminate and incomprehensible assemblage of statistics; many of the "sources" do not support what a particular table purports to show; appears to violate WP:NOTDATABASE and WP:SYNTHESIS, among other issues. Bgsu98 (Talk) 19:29, 20 July 2024 (UTC) reply

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• Delete per nom. I don't see any use for this. Serves nobody but to the most ardent fans. Also, sources are nothing but WP:PRIMARY. SpacedFarmer ( talk) 18:17, 23 July 2024 (UTC) reply
• Delete not encyclopedic content, Wikipedia is not a database or a figure skating fandom site. Joseph 2302 ( talk) 19:51, 25 July 2024 (UTC) reply
• Delete: Appears to be a case of WP:SYNTH with no sources here indicating notability. I'd encourage interested editors to WP:TRYANOTHER. Let'srun ( talk) 13:28, 27 July 2024 (UTC) reply

none at present

Adrian Baril (  | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – ( View AfD | edits since nomination)

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After extensive searching for WP:SIGCOV in multiple newspaper archives, I believe the subject lacks the coverage needed to meet the WP:GNG. This obit [ [6]] is rather short and doesn't make mention of his NFL career. Besides the obit, there are some passing/routine mentions like [ [7]], [ [8]], [ [9]] and [ [10]] but from what I see it is all trivial. While the subject played 16 NFL games, they took place in the early years of the league when the popularity of the league was nowhere near what it is today. I don't see a clear WP:ATD here but am open to the possibility. Let'srun ( talk) 00:08, 25 July 2024 (UTC) reply

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Trinidad and Tobago national baseball team (  | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – ( View AfD | edits since nomination)

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I was unable to find any WP:SIGCOV covering this team to meet the WP:GNG or WP:NTEAM, with only a few Facebook posts appearing in my BEFORE. The team does not appear to be ranked by the WBSC from what I can tell. Let'srun ( talk) 14:00, 27 July 2024 (UTC) reply

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• Redirect to Trinidad and Tobago#Other sports which specifically references the national baseball team. Fails GNG with no significant coverage. Willing to reconsider if additional coverage is found so please ping me. Frank Anchor 14:38, 27 July 2024 (UTC) reply

Brunei national baseball team (  | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – ( View AfD | edits since nomination)

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I was unable to find any evidence verifying notability for this team under the WP:GNG. From what I can tell, the WBSC does not even have the team ranked as seen at [ [11]]. Let'srun ( talk) 00:47, 26 July 2024 (UTC) reply

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• Delete, no accomplishments or sources that form a basis for an article. Geschichte ( talk) 20:09, 26 July 2024 (UTC) reply

British Virgin Islands national baseball team (  | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – ( View AfD | edits since nomination)

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Unable to find any sources for this team establishing notability under the WP:GNG. From what I can tell, this team isn't even ranked by the WBSC per [ [12]]. Let'srun ( talk) 20:18, 23 July 2024 (UTC) reply

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• Strong delete, fails WP:DICDEF. It's not substantiated that the team does anything remarkable. Geschichte ( talk) 20:45, 23 July 2024 (UTC) reply
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• Delete I can't verify the team exists; other than "restatements of the title", there is no content. Walsh90210 ( talk) 22:11, 23 July 2024 (UTC) reply
• Delete, I couldn't find reliable sources. Suonii180 ( talk) 22:51, 23 July 2024 (UTC) reply
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• Delete One of the many useless articles created in the (incorrect) belief that every single sporting team of every single country and minor territory is inherently notable. Article lacks any actual content. Zero evidence of notability. AusLondonder ( talk) 17:31, 25 July 2024 (UTC) reply

Do not comment on these articles here. If you agree with the proposed deletion, you don't have to do anything. If you think the article merits keeping, the remove the {{prod}} template and make an effort to improve the article so that it clearly meets the notability and verifiability criteria.

• ( Discuss) – Ray Brown (Negro leagues pitcher) → Ray Brown (baseball) – Per WP:INCDAB a move discussion is necessary. INCDAB states: In individual cases consensus may determine that a parenthetically disambiguated title that is still ambiguous has a primary topic, but the threshold for identifying a primary topic for such titles is higher than for a title without parenthetical disambiguation. As with any other term with a primary topic, it should either be the title of the article for that topic or redirect to it. There are 2 Ray Brown baseball players, both pitchers: this one, a Hall of Fame Negro league pitcher; and Ray Brown (National League pitcher) who pitched 1 game for the Cubs in 1909. The pageviews ( Negro league pitcher & Natinal League pitcher) over the last year are 3428:170, or ~20:1, which is about what it takes according to List of reported partially disambiguated article titles and their characteristics. I am arguing this Ray Brown is the primary baseball player topic (under WP:PT1) because it is highly likely [...] to be the topic sought when a reader searches for that term. -- BX ( talk) 00:43, 17 June 2024 (UTC) reply

ESPN College Basketball broadcast teams (  | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – ( View AfD | edits since nomination)

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Subject does not meet the WP:NLIST due to a lack of coverage regarding these broadcasting teams. While individual broadcasters might be notable and they are covered in ESPN College Basketball, the teams themselves don't receive the same type of coverage. Let'srun ( talk) 13:54, 27 July 2024 (UTC) reply

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Sedale Threatt Jr. (basketball) (  | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – ( View AfD | edits since nomination)

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Fails WP:GNG and WP:NBASKETBALL - was created in 2017 with heavy promotional material. The subject played primarily in an Australian second tier semi-professional league. There are no secondary or independent sources available. The subject is also basically an Orphan with it's only link being his father's page at Sedale Threatt. DaHuzyBru ( talk) 06:59, 27 July 2024 (UTC) reply

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List of games televised on ESPN Saturday Primetime (  | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – ( View AfD | edits since nomination)

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I'm not finding any sources discussing these games as a group, which are only connected by a single television package. As such, WP:LISTN is not met. Let'srun ( talk) 01:21, 26 July 2024 (UTC) reply

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• Delete per nom; I searched and could not find any independent reliable sources offering significant coverage of this list as a group or set. Left guide ( talk) 04:04, 26 July 2024 (UTC) reply
• Delete per nom. fails WP:NLIST due to no SIGCOV of articles as a group. Frank Anchor 19:39, 26 July 2024 (UTC) reply

List of career achievements by Kareem Abdul-Jabbar (  | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – ( View AfD | edits since nomination)

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Similar to other articles in the Career achievements of basketball players category, this is a collection of indiscriminate trivia with trivial statistical cross sections, which is a violation of WP:NOTSTATS and does not meet the notability criteria under WP:NLIST. The most pertinent info is already included in the main article. Let'srun ( talk) 00:58, 26 July 2024 (UTC) reply

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• Keep but with severe pruning. Ditch the NBA statistics and Career high sections and trim the NBA records, but that still leaves a notable boatload of the last, e.g. most points scored, most blocks (both now second), etc. Clarityfiend ( talk) 08:42, 26 July 2024 (UTC) reply
• Keep - Too many for one regular bio page. KatoKungLee ( talk) 23:50, 26 July 2024 (UTC) reply

List of career achievements by Allen Iverson (  | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – ( View AfD | edits since nomination)

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This is a collection of indiscriminate trivia with trivial statistical cross sections, which is a violation of WP:NOTSTATS. The most pertinent info is already included in the main article. Let'srun ( talk) 00:55, 26 July 2024 (UTC) reply

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• Delete per nom. Unlike Abdul-Jabbar, Iverson didn't set a lot of significant NBA records, certainly nothing that couldn't go in his article. (Maybe if he had practiced more ...) Clarityfiend ( talk) 08:48, 26 July 2024 (UTC) reply
• Delete WP:CONTENTFORK that is largely unsourced, whose content would mostly be WP:NOTSTATS on his bio. The recent consensus has been against these standalone odes to star athletes.— Bagumba ( talk) 14:18, 26 July 2024 (UTC) reply

Roc City Hoops Classic (  | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – ( View AfD | edits since nomination)

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Subject does not meet the WP:GNG or WP:NEVENT due to a lack of WP:SIGCOV. Most of the sources here originate from the participating schools and are primary, and a check didn't find much more than some routine game recaps with the event being only mentioned in passing, such as [ [13]]. Appears to be just a routine regular season game. Let'srun ( talk) 14:04, 23 July 2024 (UTC) reply

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• Merge to St. Bonaventure Bonnies men's basketball. A Rochester sports blog says There’s something notable about the game officially known as the Roc City Hoops Classic [14], but there needs to be more than their say-so to keep the article. There is enough local coverage to mention this on St. Bonaventure Bonnies men's basketball, but I don't see enough to keep a stand-alone article. Walsh90210 ( talk) 22:31, 23 July 2024 (UTC) reply

The Coliseum (West Georgia) (  | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – ( View AfD | edits since nomination)

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• Delete: The page is a very short stub. While it does have a full table, there is nowhere near enough information on the page due to the lack of history and, presumably, lack of coverage on the construction and events at the venue. I actually considered constructing a Wikipedia article for The Coliseum back in November 2023, but I chose Halenbeck Hall instead due to the former's lack of resources. Centennial Center (Georgia College & State) would have certainly been a better choice for making a Wikipedia article. Wjenkins96 ( talk)

• Comment This page was created without the {{ afd2}} tag and never transcluded to a daily log. Fixed now—I am neutral at this time. @ Wjenkins96: For future nominations, please follow the instructions at WP:AFDHOWTO. Thanks. -- Finngall ^talk 06:57, 17 July 2024 (UTC) reply
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• Keep for now per WP:DONOTDEMOLISH. Nominator does not cite any policies, and it is a notable venue given its status as a Division I arena and as the region's premier concert and special events venue. This is the Wolves' first season in Division I; if it was deleted, it would be the only Division I arena not to have its own article. Let's leave it up for a bit to give other editors a chance to improve it and fix what's lacking. Tom Danson ( talk) 17:52, 19 July 2024 (UTC) reply

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
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Arturo López Castro (  | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – ( View AfD | edits since nomination)

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could not find secondary sources besides the BoxRec website that's already used as (the only) source LR.127 ( talk) 06:11, 21 July 2024 (UTC) reply

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Delete. I didn't find anything that said passing WP:GNG or WP:NBOX. I also don’t know where the article can be redirected. Tau Corvi ( talk) 20:47, 21 July 2024 (UTC) reply

• Delete: This subject lacks the WP:SIGCOV from multiple independent sources needed to meet the WP:GNG. As the nom notes, the only source is BoxRec and a search failed to uncover any additional sources which could be used to establish notability. Let'srun ( talk) 14:49, 27 July 2024 (UTC) reply

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No longer notable after the earthquakes. Appears to fail WP:N and WP:SIGCOV. Alexeyevitch^{( talk)} 08:55, 22 July 2024 (UTC) reply

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• Delete: not enough WP:SIGCOV for WP:GNG. — Alien333 ( what I did & why I did it wrong) 14:19, 22 July 2024 (UTC) reply
• Redirect to Queen Elizabeth II Park as AtD. Notability should not be lost once found, but I can't find enough WP:SIGCOV for the Village Green in the first place. Dclemens1971 ( talk) 19:33, 22 July 2024 (UTC) reply

  Yes, I wanted to point out the same. Something or someone cannot lose their notability. Schwede 66 08:19, 23 July 2024 (UTC) reply

• Comment. @ Sammyrice:. A NZ cricket topic up for deletion. Are you able to find anything to expand this? AA ( talk) 19:56, 22 July 2024 (UTC) reply

  Please don't canvass people to vote. Traumnovelle ( talk) 23:06, 26 July 2024 (UTC) reply

• Keep – ground is widely covered by The Press with enough coverage elsewhere to meet WP:SIGCOV, the "No longer notable after the earthquakes" is an odd argument. -- JP ( Talk) 13:46, 23 July 2024 (UTC) reply

  @ Jpeeling I agree with you that the "no longer notable after the earthquakes" argument is wrong, provided there was notability to begin with, But to the extent the Press articles offer WP:SIGCOV of any facility, they seem to highlight Queen Elizabeth II Park, not the Village Green venue in particular. Do you have sources that show specific coverage of the Village Green versus the broader complex it was part of? Open to switching my !vote but I need to see some SIGCOV of the specific venue rather than the complex it was part of. Dclemens1971 ( talk) 16:53, 23 July 2024 (UTC) reply

  Looking through the sources the majority focus on the cricket venue rather than the wider park in general. They do mostly mention the QE2 but I think that's more to define where they are talking about given the generic name of the venue. JP ( Talk) 07:57, 25 July 2024 (UTC) reply

• Keep. It was a major ground for 12 years, staging five domestic one-day finals. Sammyrice ( talk) 23:44, 24 July 2024 (UTC) reply

Merge whatever is appropriate to Queen Elizabeth II Park. I read the The Press sources and none are SIGCOV of Village Green but rather of the park or other buildings within the park. Traumnovelle ( talk) 07:01, 25 July 2024 (UTC) reply

• Keep. Per recent expansion. AA ( talk) 08:20, 25 July 2024 (UTC) reply

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Another non-notable T10 league, this time from the Cayman Islands. Fails WP:NCRIC and WP:GNG, alongside WP:EVENT. Notability of an event also isn't inherited just because current or former players are taking part. AA ( talk) 23:08, 20 July 2024 (UTC) reply

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Keep: The article is well sourced. Multiple news organisations have reported on it. Changeworld1984 ( talk) 11:15, 21 July 2024 (UTC) reply

Routine squad announcements? Zero in-depth coverage which demonstrates why this tournament is notable. It is being played in the Cayman Islands, one of the lowest ranked associate members of the ICC. Zero notability and would be surprised if A) it happens, B) it lasts more than a season. The list of notable cricket tournaments can be found here. You won't it on this list. AA ( talk) 12:29, 21 July 2024 (UTC) reply

Keep: It’s great to see that associate nations are stepping up their game. Pkr206 ( talk) 01:52, 23 July 2024 (UTC) reply

This isn't a reason to keep an article. AA ( talk) 15:28, 23 July 2024 (UTC) reply

• Delete i think it doesn't have enough reliable sources to prove it's notable. Most references are not independent or detailed enough to show it's important. Yakov-kobi ( talk) 13:54, 23 July 2024 (UTC) reply
• Delete only WP:ROUTINE coverage, not significant independent coverage to pass WP:GNG. Joseph 2302 ( talk) 19:05, 25 July 2024 (UTC) reply

• Delete: passing mentions, no in depth coverage from reliable sources. Instant History ( talk) 11:56, 26 July 2024 (UTC) reply
• Comment: Just to be clear, a sports league is a company or organization, so WP:NCORP is the notability threshold that needs to be met. Left guide ( talk) 22:23, 26 July 2024 (UTC) reply

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Although subject may be covered by WP:NCRICKET (Additionally, cricketers who have played at the highest domestic level [...] may have sufficient coverage about them to justify an article, but it should not be assumed to exist without further proof), with a single appearance for a club side more than 20 years ago, there is no indication the subject has received significant coverage to pass the general notability guideline. C 679 10:19, 17 July 2024 (UTC) reply

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• Comment - either one article is the problem or thousands. And if we isolate individual articles - in both English and non-English speaking countries - this does nothing to solve the problem we've landed ourselves in. Bobo . 17:30, 17 July 2024 (UTC) reply

• Delete. I haven't found any WP:SIGCOV confirmation. Tau Corvi ( talk) 15:12, 18 July 2024 (UTC) reply

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Antálek played 90 minutes of professional football before being sent to lower leagues. I found nothing better than Teraz, a brief mention in squad list, but am not sure how reliable it is. Article fails WP:GNG without significant coverage overall. ⋆｡˚꒰ঌ Clara A. Djalim ໒꒱˚｡⋆ 11:00, 27 July 2024 (UTC) reply

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Ambra played 164 minutes at lower Italian club of AlbinoLeffe and does not seem to meet WP:GNG. Futbol Portal is a rumor about his potential transfer to Premier League followed by interview analysis. Zahori is an interview. SME is an interview but I can't access due to paywall. Neither of these count towards significant coverage. ⋆｡˚꒰ঌ Clara A. Djalim ໒꒱˚｡⋆ 17:25, 26 July 2024 (UTC) reply

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• Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found which show significant coverage please ping me. Giant Snowman 17:59, 26 July 2024 (UTC) reply
• Delete, no accomplishments or sources that form a basis for an article. Geschichte ( talk) 20:08, 26 July 2024 (UTC) reply

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I'm not seeing enough WP:SIGCOV for this goalkeeper that only played in 3 professional games. While searching for Gerald/Gerard D'Mello, I found Deccan Herald, Herald Goa, Navhind Times and Telegraph India, all of which are passing mentions. If this article is kept, we should consider moving it to 'Gerard D'Mello' as this seems to be a more popular spelling. Spiderone ^{(Talk to Spider)} 16:45, 26 July 2024 (UTC) reply

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• Delete – Fails in WP:GNG. Svartner ( talk) 06:58, 27 July 2024 (UTC) reply

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Potentially fails WP:GNG here. I have searched Albanian sources and found nothing better than Panorama, a passing mention about a disciplinary issue. Spiderone ^{(Talk to Spider)} 16:33, 26 July 2024 (UTC) reply

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• Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found which show significant coverage please ping me. Giant Snowman 17:58, 26 July 2024 (UTC) reply
• Delete – Fails in WP:GNG. Svartner ( talk) 06:57, 27 July 2024 (UTC) reply
• Delete. No significant coverage. The only coverage are stats posted on sports sites, not enough to prove notability. Prof.PMarini ( talk) 11:16, 27 July 2024 (UTC) reply

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Doesn't meet WP:GNG or WP:SPORTCRIT. Only secondary sources in the article and found during WP:BEFORE check are match reports with surface level coverage of the subject. AlexandraAVX ( talk) 16:25, 26 July 2024 (UTC) reply

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• Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found which show significant coverage please ping me. Giant Snowman 17:58, 26 July 2024 (UTC) reply
• Weak keep I am happy with the sources in the article, young player with on going career, although somewhat primary heavy, there seems enough to show basic. Govvy ( talk) 23:21, 26 July 2024 (UTC) reply

  Which sources do you believe contain significant coverage of the subject? AlexandraAVX ( talk) 06:01, 27 July 2024 (UTC) reply

• Delete: Subject lacks the needed WP:SIGCOV to meet the WP:GNG. All I see here are primary sources, passing mentions, and some YouTube clips. Let'srun ( talk) 14:19, 27 July 2024 (UTC) reply

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Article fails WP:GNG. Simione001 ( talk) 02:58, 26 July 2024 (UTC) reply

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• If he has played for the North Korean national team at the Asian Games, he does appear to be notable enough. 93.117.220.196 ( talk) 10:59, 26 July 2024 (UTC) reply

  The article has been nominated for deletion on the basis that it fails WP:GNG. This does not relate to appearances for the national team. Simione001 ( talk) 13:42, 26 July 2024 (UTC) reply

  According to WP:FOOTYN, "players are deemed notable if they (...) Have played FIFA recognised senior international football". This covers playing for the national team of North Korea. 93.117.220.196 ( talk) 15:11, 26 July 2024 (UTC) reply

FOOTYN itself states The player section of this notability guidance has been superseded by WP:Notability (sports), and is included below for information only as a record of the previous guidance that the Footy project came up with. The correct guideline is WP:SPORTCRIT, which makes no mention of playing for a national football team. Spiderone ^{(Talk to Spider)} 16:50, 26 July 2024 (UTC) reply

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• Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found which show significant coverage please ping me. Giant Snowman 17:58, 26 July 2024 (UTC) reply

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Article fails WP:GNG. Redirect to 1966 World Cup team. Simione001 ( talk) 02:55, 26 July 2024 (UTC) reply

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• Strong Delete – Corresponding article on Korean Wikipedia is an unsourced stub. ⋆｡˚꒰ঌ Clara A. Djalim ໒꒱˚｡⋆ 17:44, 26 July 2024 (UTC) reply
• Redirect to 1966 FIFA World Cup squads#North Korea. Giant Snowman 17:59, 26 July 2024 (UTC) reply

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Article fails WP:GNG. Simione001 ( talk) 02:53, 26 July 2024 (UTC) reply

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I was not able to find WP:SIGCOV sources for this footballer. The best I could find was this. Geschichte ( talk) 14:46, 25 July 2024 (UTC) reply

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• Delete – Fails in WP:GNG. Svartner ( talk) 23:06, 25 July 2024 (UTC) reply
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With only primary sources listed, the article of this men's footballer clearly fails WP:GNG. He played nine minutes at the highest domestic league before being sent on loan to second tier then disappeared. Using the keyword "Oliver Burian", search engines mostly find other men of the same name than this footballer, failing WP:V too. My searches showed nothing better than match reports and passing mentions in online newspapers. ⋆｡˚꒰ঌ Clara A. Djalim ໒꒱˚｡⋆ 12:39, 25 July 2024 (UTC) reply

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• Delete, no basis for an encyclopedic article. Geschichte ( talk) 14:30, 25 July 2024 (UTC) reply
• Delete, seems that he hasn't disappeared completely, but moved to the third, and now, fourth tier of Slovak football (non-league). At that level there is no chance of new significant coverage, and agree that anything existing is far below the required standard. C 679 15:12, 25 July 2024 (UTC) reply
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Does not meet WP:SPORTSCRIT, Sports biographies must include at least one reference to a source providing significant coverage of the subject, excluding database sources. Searching only uncovers further database sources and a very limited number of primary sources. C 679 12:09, 25 July 2024 (UTC) reply

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• Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found which show significant coverage please ping me. Giant Snowman 17:05, 25 July 2024 (UTC) reply
• Comment – The player actually had a modest career, but there are some sources in the local media [15], [16], [17]. Is at the limit of WP:GNG in my opinion. Svartner ( talk) 23:05, 25 July 2024 (UTC) reply

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This player has not played at the international level, nor in a fully professional league. فيصل ( talk) 06:07, 25 July 2024 (UTC) reply

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• Delete – Even the basic information is incomplete. Svartner ( talk) 23:08, 25 July 2024 (UTC) reply

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Same type of list as was deleted in Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of foreign Norwegian First Division players - foreign players in a country's second tier of football, which is not fully professional (not that that matters as much as it used to). Some first-tier leagues that had their lists deleted include this and this.

There are no sources. The list is painfully far from being complete, has problems with maintenance, being outdated and generally abandoned. I believe this falls on the wrong side of "non-encyclopedic cross-categorization" as prohibited by WP:NOT, as quoted in WP:LISTN. Geschichte ( talk) 21:30, 24 July 2024 (UTC) reply

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• Delete – Zero references, total lack of WP:V. Svartner ( talk) 02:56, 25 July 2024 (UTC) reply
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• Delete Unverifiable list. Govvy ( talk) 23:17, 26 July 2024 (UTC) reply
• Delete - no evidence that the phenomenon of foreign players in this particular league has ever been discussed at length in WP:RS Spiderone ^{(Talk to Spider)} 10:02, 27 July 2024 (UTC) reply

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I am unable to find enough coverage of this American soccer player to meet WP:GNG. All I came across was this blog post and a few sentences here. JTtheOG ( talk) 20:08, 24 July 2024 (UTC) reply

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Subject does not meet the WP:GNG due to a lack of WP:SIGCOV. Could be redirected to List of United States men's international soccer players as a WP:ATD. Let'srun ( talk) 19:58, 24 July 2024 (UTC) reply

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I am unable to find enough coverage of this American soccer player to meet WP:GNG. A few sentences here, a pair of sentences here, but nothing significant. JTtheOG ( talk) 04:00, 24 July 2024 (UTC) reply

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• Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found which show significant coverage please ping me. Giant Snowman 18:20, 24 July 2024 (UTC) reply
• Delete: Don't see enough WP:SIGCOV to meet the WP:GNG. Let'srun ( talk) 15:41, 27 July 2024 (UTC) reply

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Article fails WP:GNG. Simione001 ( talk) 02:02, 24 July 2024 (UTC) reply

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I am unable to find enough independent coverage of this American soccer player to meet WP:GNG. The closest to WP:SIGCOV I found was this interview. JTtheOG ( talk) 01:29, 24 July 2024 (UTC) reply

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• Delete: Not finding the needed WP:SIGCOV to meet the WP:GNG here. Let'srun ( talk) 01:42, 26 July 2024 (UTC) reply

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Article fails WP:GNG. Simione001 ( talk) 01:12, 24 July 2024 (UTC) reply

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• Redirect - to 2015 AFC Asian Cup squads#North Korea. Lâm ( talk) 08:39, 25 July 2024 (UTC) reply

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Subject does not meet the WP:GNG due to a lack of WP:SIGCOV. The best source I could find is [ [18]] which only covers the subject for a few sentences. Let'srun ( talk) 21:48, 23 July 2024 (UTC) reply

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• Delete. No WP:SIGCOV to prove notability. Prof.PMarini ( talk) 23:42, 23 July 2024 (UTC) reply
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• Redirect to List of United States men's international soccer players as possible search term. Giant Snowman 18:21, 24 July 2024 (UTC) reply

  No issues with a redirect. Let'srun ( talk) 18:51, 24 July 2024 (UTC) reply

• Redirect as above. C 679 10:33, 25 July 2024 (UTC) reply

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Fails GNG. A search in the archives found no SIGCOV just mentions in match reports. Dougal18 ( talk) 13:56, 23 July 2024 (UTC) reply

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• Delete: Found a few interviews ( 1, 2), but nothing approaching WP:SIGCOV. JTtheOG ( talk) 06:31, 24 July 2024 (UTC) reply
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• Lean towards Keep Per sources above, plus [19], [20], [21], [22], [23], [24], [25], And he has played way over 100 professional football league games in Scotland. I don't get why you want to delete such an article on professional Scottish footballer. @ GiantSnowman: Take your pick on sources, there are loads more tabloid articles on the guy. That's just my five minutes of looking. And I bet there are OFFLINE also! :/ Govvy ( talk) 21:51, 24 July 2024 (UTC) reply
  • Comment You have linked to 7 sources. The first 6 are namedrops that do not provide SIGCOV of Meggatt. The seventh is from the Scottish Sun which is an unreliable source. NFOOTBALL is no more so stop making the appearances argument. Dougal18 ( talk) 08:42, 25 July 2024 (UTC) reply

    Agree with Dougal I'm afraid - none of these are SIGCOV, and the Sun is trash. Giant Snowman 16:24, 25 July 2024 (UTC) reply

    • I don't know why you guys don't do the research or look for sources. Dougal18 has absolutely no interest in constructing wikipedia articles from my point of view. He constantly wants to delete what I call decent articles. Like I said above that's what I found in five minutes yesterday, yes the article is heavy on primary sources and sport stat sources. I provided an assortment of some basic secondary to back the primary sources up, (that's why I said lean towards keep I didn't say straight out keep.) But that doesn't negative anything, I never mentioned NFOOTBALL either, I go by WP:BASIC, and so many many people seem to ignore you can have a build on secondary sources. Take one of Scotlands newspaper websites go enter his name and see what you find. For instance, The Scottish Herald, how many results are there. A non notable person wouldn't have that many results for his name. People go on about it's always routine coverage! But all football is pretty much routine now, it's a paradoxical sport, routine coverage is not a bad thing and the more the better. SIGCOV pfft, you don't need to follow so blindly a policy and yes it's a policy it's not a rule of state. Apart from JTtheOG no one else provided sources, I've done just that and yet you want to persecute my findings. That really is pathetic and bias towards deletion without a true peer review. Govvy ( talk) 09:49, 26 July 2024 (UTC) reply

• Delete. Nowhere close to SIGCOV. JoelleJay ( talk) 20:47, 25 July 2024 (UTC) reply

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I am unable to find enough coverage of this American soccer player to meet WP:GNG or WP:SPORTCRIT. The most I found were a few sentences of coverage here. JTtheOG ( talk) 22:12, 22 July 2024 (UTC) reply

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• Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found which show significant coverage please ping me. Giant Snowman 18:19, 24 July 2024 (UTC) reply
• Delete: All that appears to be here is routine game coverage, with nothing that can be considered WP:SIGCOV. Let'srun ( talk) 11:56, 25 July 2024 (UTC) reply

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I am unable to find sufficient coverage of this American soccer player to meet WP:GNG or WP:SPORTCRIT. JTtheOG ( talk) 20:40, 22 July 2024 (UTC) reply

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• Delete: Brief ESPN bio [26] and routine transfer mentions [27], neither of which are useful for notability here. Sourcing in the article is of the same quality, non-helpful. Oaktree b ( talk) 21:30, 22 July 2024 (UTC) reply
• Delete: Nothing is here besides routine transactional info, with a failure of the WP:GNG. Let'srun ( talk) 00:01, 24 July 2024 (UTC) reply
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Does not meet WP:SPORTSCRIT, Sports biographies must include at least one reference to a source providing significant coverage of the subject, excluding database sources. Google search on the name brought back nothing other than database sources. Soccerway link on the page with the corresponding DoB confirms he played one season in the Portuguese third tier in 2013-14. C 679 11:52, 22 July 2024 (UTC) reply

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Delete - per nominator, clearly it does not satisfy WP:SPORTSCRIT Warm Regards, Miminity ( talk) ( contribs) 12:02, 22 July 2024 (UTC) reply

• Delete indeed missing the WP:SIGCOV for WP:GNG. (To complete what nom said there are also user-generated sources next to the database references, even though that doesn't change anything). — Alien333 ( what I did & why I did it wrong) 14:27, 22 July 2024 (UTC) reply
• Redirect to CD Operário#Notable players. I found no indication that he meets WP:SIGCOV. Tau Corvi ( talk) 16:44, 22 July 2024 (UTC) reply
• Delete – Per lack of WP:V. Svartner ( talk) 04:52, 24 July 2024 (UTC) reply
• Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found which show significant coverage please ping me. Giant Snowman 18:12, 24 July 2024 (UTC) reply

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Article fails WP:GNG. Simione001 ( talk) 22:09, 21 July 2024 (UTC) reply

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• Delete: Doesn't seem to pass WP:SPORTCRIT—I only see database sources, no significant coverage. Bsoyka ( t • c • g) 22:43, 21 July 2024 (UTC) reply
• Delete – The Chinese article doesn't provide any significant coverage of him despite being longer. ⋆｡˚꒰ঌ Clara A. Djalim ໒꒱˚｡⋆ 12:46, 22 July 2024 (UTC) reply
• Delete. No significant coverage and fails WP:GNG. Prof.PMarini ( talk) 13:02, 22 July 2024 (UTC) reply
• Delete not notable -- Loewstisch ( talk) 11:32, 23 July 2024 (UTC) reply
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• Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found which show significant coverage please ping me. Giant Snowman 18:18, 24 July 2024 (UTC) reply

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This Slovak men's footballer played in his country from 2013 until 2016 before moving to lower leagues in the Czech Republic and Poland. Secondary sources analysis from my searches through translation:

• Žilinský Večerník is a blogspot containing an interview with just secondary content in the opening paragraph.
• SME seems to be a decent source mentioning Klec scoring a hat-trick.
• Dnes24 is a transfer announcement of him moving to Třinec on loan.
• Dziennik Polski is another transfer announcement to Puszcza Niepołomice.

In my opinion, none of those sources above actually approach WP:SIGCOV that are required for encyclopedia. I have checked corresponding articles on him in other Wikipedia languages, but all of them likewise provide match reports, primary sources, and database. ⋆｡˚꒰ঌ Clara A. Djalim ໒꒱˚｡⋆ 13:46, 21 July 2024 (UTC) reply

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• Delete. Doesn't look like he meets WP:NSPORT or WP:GNG. I haven't found any reliable RS about him. Tau Corvi ( talk) 20:24, 21 July 2024 (UTC) reply
• Delete. Indeed, there doesn't seem to be enough WP:SIGCOV to meet WP:GNG. Prof.PMarini ( talk) 02:44, 23 July 2024 (UTC) reply
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• Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found which show significant coverage please ping me. Giant Snowman 18:18, 24 July 2024 (UTC) reply

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Fails WP:GNG and WP:SPORTCRIT. Only one source, which is partly a primary source, about him "going back" to amateur football. Only made one cup appearance for Bordeaux as a regular B team player. Paul Vaurie ( talk) 11:52, 20 July 2024 (UTC) reply

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Delete. Doesn't pass WP:SIGCOV. Tau Corvi ( talk) 19:31, 20 July 2024 (UTC) reply

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Fails WP:GNG, no significant coverage Mdann52 ( talk) 08:40, 6 July 2024 (UTC) reply

1. the initial delete nomination (lack independent sourcing):

Link 1 by Khovar.tj National Information Agency of Tajikistan/ not related to CAFA

Link 2 Tasnim News Agency an Iranian new agency Independent from CAFA

Link 3 Turkmen news agency which is also Independent from CAFA

Link 4 Sport.kg an Information Agency; Sport.kg is the only specialized portal in Kyrgyzstan

and many more; that i will add to the article to enhance it sourcing

2. The tournament is organized by the Central Asian Football Association (CAFA), which oversees football in Central Asia. CAFA is a member of the AFC and, therefore, FIFA. As an international competition between member nations, the tournament holds significant notability. This is particularly relevant now, as some footballers who participated in the tournament are becoming prominent figures in Central Asian football and across Asia. The tournament shall be cited as the beginning of their international careers, further emphasizing its importance. Lunar Spectrum96 ( talk) 09:31, 6 July 2024 (UTC) reply

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  I included more resources from other independent sources such as:
  jomhornews.com, m.kun.uz, trt.net.tr, and sport.kg. Lunar Spectrum96 ( talk) 10:54, 7 July 2024 (UTC) reply

• Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found which show significant coverage please ping me. Giant Snowman 11:00, 7 July 2024 (UTC) reply

  GiantSnowman can you please specify what's make a tournament notable enough; so i can send the sources that adresse it ? Lunar Spectrum96 ( talk) 12:34, 7 July 2024 (UTC) reply

  Significant coverage - the sources above are WP:ROUTINE. Giant Snowman 13:07, 7 July 2024 (UTC) reply

  Matchday 1:
  

  • Tajikistan v Uzbekistan at sports.uz
  • Kyrgyzstan v Afghansitan at sport.kg

  Matchday 2:
  

  • Uzbekistan v Iran at Tasnimnews.com
  • Uzbekistan v Iran at Sports.uz
  • Tajikistan v Kyrgyzstan at avesta.tj

  Matchday 3:
  

  • Iran v Afghanistan at Irannewsdaily.com
  • Iran v Afghanistan at farsi.alarabiya.net
  • Iran v Afghanistan at avapress.com
  • Kyrgyzstan v Uzbekistan at sport.kg

  Matchday 4:
  

  • Turkmenistan v Kyrgyzstan at Turkmenportal.com
  • Turkmenistan v Kyrgyzstan at sport.kg
  • Turkmenistan v Kyrgyzstan at Kabar.kg
  • Afghanistan v Uzbekistan at sputnik.af
  • Afghanistan v Uzbekistan at dzen.ru

  Matchday 5:
  

  • Kyrgyzstan v Iran at Tansimnews.com
  • Tajikistan v Afghanistan at sputnik.af

  Iran
  

  • All matches reports at toopball.com

  Kyrgyzstan
  

  • Kyrgystan at for.kg

  Other tournament reports

  • Champion at rus.ozodi.org
  • Championship at nm.tj
  • Schedule at ilna.ir

  Should I add more? The tournament's matches were covered by all the top news agencies in Central Asia.

  Also Asian Football Confederation did post all these covering the tournament

  • Matchday 1
  • Matchday 2
  • Matchday 3
  • Matchday 4
  • Matchday 5

  Lunar Spectrum96 ( talk) 05:38, 8 July 2024 (UTC) reply

• Comment International level competition and there are sources, however they are very young. So I am not sure at what level wikipedia should be keeping these. Govvy ( talk) 10:27, 8 July 2024 (UTC) reply

  • Keep

  let us remember that The Central Asian Football Association (CAFA) was only formed in 2015, and with the tournament being the 8th tournament organised, CAFA has shown significant progress in promoting and developing football in the region. Over the years, CAFA has developed its media coverage and reporting capabilities, making the tournaments more accessible and notable. While the first editions may have had limited coverage due to CAFA's emerging stage and limited experience, the organization's growth and increased attention highlight the importance of these early stages articles being there.
  

  Furthermore, for Central Asia, where international sports events are relatively scarce, CAFA's tournaments hold notable significance. The early editions of the tournament are crucial for understanding the development of football in the region and providing a better statistical context. As CAFA continues to grow and attract more attention, the historical records of all editions, including the first ones, will be valuable for researchers, fans, and anyone interested in the football in Central Asia.
  

  Therefore, despite its relatively young age, CAFA's tournaments are notable and deserving of coverage on Wikipedia, as they contribute to the broader narrative of international sports in Central Asia. Lunar Spectrum96 ( talk) 19:21, 8 July 2024 (UTC) reply

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 19:08, 13 July 2024 (UTC) reply

• Redirect must be redirect to the Central Asian Football Association. Parwiz ahmadi ( talk) 21:18, 18 July 2024 (UTC) reply

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: We have arguments to Keep, Delete and Redirect right now. Let's get a few more sports fans in here.
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• Keep: Redirecting it would diminish the significance of the tournament compared to other international competitions. This is an Under-16 level event organized by all confederations; the article should remain. Similar to UEFA and AFC tournament editions before the 2000s, the early editions of the CAFA tournament need to be preserved.

Lunar Spectrum96 ( talk) 23:50, 20 July 2024 (UTC) reply

@ Lunar Spectrum96: you can only !vote once, I've removed the duplicate above. Mdann52 ( talk) 07:31, 21 July 2024 (UTC) reply

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Fails WP:SPORTSCRIT. No third party sources. A google news search comes up with a namesake jazz musician who seems more notable. LibStar ( talk) 10:09, 21 July 2024 (UTC) reply

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• Delete: Not notable. Apart from already cited article, nothing comes up. Changeworld1984 ( talk) 11:10, 21 July 2024 (UTC) reply
• Delete. There is only one source listed in the article, and I couldn’t find any others. If you manage to do this, please ping me. Tau Corvi ( talk) 20:34, 21 July 2024 (UTC) reply
• Delete. I agree with the above. Bduke ( talk) 23:32, 21 July 2024 (UTC) reply
• Delete I per nom, above. I couldn't find a sinlge article even mentioning her via a Newsbank database search. Fails GNG. Cabrils ( talk) 00:15, 24 July 2024 (UTC) reply

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The article seems to have started out as draft created by 110347nbtough in November 2020, who subsequently seemed to claim they were Bunasawa himself over on Wikimedia Commons here and here. The draft was then approved by DN27ND about a month later, even though the DN27ND account was only four days old and seems to have no experience as an WP:AFC reviewer. Moreover, DN27ND is an WP:SPA whose primary focus on English Wikipedia, Wikimedia Commons and Japanese Wikipedia has been creating/editing content about Bunasawa; in other words, it seems that the account was specifically and only created for that purpose.

I wasn't sure about the subject's Wikipedia notablity per WP:BIO and asked about the article at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Martial arts#Nori Bunasawa. DN27ND was pinged into the discussion but never responded. It was then suggested on my user talk page that the article be nominated for deletion. I tried some more WP:BEFORE but found nothing resembling significant coverage. I also tried looking at the Japanese Wikipedia article ja:樗沢憲昭 and the Egyptian Arabic Wikiepdia article arz:نورى_بوناساوا but found nothing resembling significant coverage being cited in either of them. -- Marchjuly ( talk) 12:19, 22 July 2024 (UTC) reply

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• Keep Potential COI issues aside, the subject evidently seems to be a notable coach at Olympic and World Championship level, and for US colleges. Other pursuits as a magazine publisher/author and film consultant (?) would probably not rise to notability themselves, but the coverage for all three careers being mostly in 50+ year old newspapers – paired with the subject being otherwise covered by not only non-English, but non-Latin-alphabet, media – would be the AGF reason for fewer substantial sources (which is satisfactory here). The article could do with some clean-up, but from a glancing view I would also say it is not short on sources for its coverage, and that the coverage generally indicates notability. Kingsif ( talk) 13:39, 22 July 2024 (UTC) reply

There is no conflict of interest. I'm not getting paid by Bunasawa. In order to get leads on sources and information, we do have a working relationship (as a reporter would on their subject) where I could reach out and obtain information. I do have drafts of other judokas in the works but am working on securing their contact information in order to get additional leads to sources and information.

There are multiple sources online in various languages (English, Japanese, Russian, etc.) which indicates notability.

Bunasawa's involvement as a leader of judo in the USA

https://www.arkansasonline.com/news/2016/may/12/ichiban-sports-complex-shares-strange-s/

https://books.google.com.au/books?id=qNUDAAAAMBAJ&q=bunasawa&pg=PA38&redir_esc=y#v=snippet&q=bunasawa&f=false

Bunasawa as a co-novelist

https://www.abebooks.com/9780964898424/Toughest-Man-Who-Lived-Nori-096489842X/plp#:~:text=A%20book%20about%20Conde%20Koma,force%20in%20the%20martial%20arts.

Bunasawa's involvement in "Dead or Alive"

https://www.judoinside.com/judoka/90786/Noriaki_Bunasawa/judo-career

Bunasawa and José Padilha

https://www.instagram.com/p/Crg9KAmBek5/?utm_source=ig_web_copy_link&igsh=MzRlODBiNWFlZA==

José Padilha as the director on the BJJ-Judo movie project

https://www.imdb.com/news/ni62362469/

https://about.netflix.com/en/news/jos%C3%A9-padilha-attached-to-write-and-direct-feature-film-dead-or-alive-with-greg-silvermans-stampede-for-netflix

https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/movies/movie-news/narcos-director-jose-padilha-tackling-netflix-jiu-jitsu-movie-dead-alive-1181926/

Nori Bunasawa's involvement in the movie industry

https://www.imdb.com/name/nm12094236/

Russian sources on Bunasawa's movies

https://www.kinopoisk.ru/film/4294861/?utm_referrer=www.google.com

https://en.kinorium.com/2680888/cast/

Japanese sources on Bunasawa's accomplishment and career

Shindo, Kenichi (October 3, 2020). "青春スクロール 市立浦和高校". Asahi Shimbun.

Kudo, Raisuke (September 10, 1969). "日本代表決まる". The Judo Shimbun.

https://www.judo-ch.jp/result/ajsc/men1970.shtml

Russian news media company reporting on Bunasawa's comments and opinions

https://sputniknews.jp/20190902/6634165.html

Bunasawa is notable for his involvement in the sport of judo and for his involvement in the movie industry.

There are no COI issues and I sent him a draft on the article as a courtesy, in order to have a working relationship with him for leads on additional sources and for information regarding judo sports figures of which there will be wiki articles published in the future. DN27ND ( talk) 05:03, 23 July 2024 (UTC) reply

I also advised Bunasawa and his newspaper/magazine publishing team to create a wikipedia account in order for them to release some of the photos that they own to wikimedia commons. DN27ND ( talk) 05:57, 23 July 2024 (UTC) reply

I received information that Nori Bunasawa and his newspaper/magazine publishing company owns the photos that he uploaded and that were deleted off of wikimedia commons. DN27ND ( talk) 06:00, 23 July 2024 (UTC) reply

And that he is in the process of consulting with his lawyers based in the USA. DN27ND ( talk) 06:02, 23 July 2024 (UTC) reply

Being paid is not the only criterion for conflict of interest. See WP:EXTERNALREL. I think the fact that you have a working relationship with this person and especially that you showed the subject of the article a draft itself (presumably for feedback, considering you asked for leads on missing info) is concerning.

The tone in the article has issues with WP:WTW; "dream team", "talented group", "further his education" are unencyclopedic and lean towards WP:PUFFERY.

Whether or not there actually is a COI is debatable, but even the scent of one can ruin your credibility on Wikipedia. You really should be more cautious in future. 104.232.119.107 ( talk) 09:33, 23 July 2024 (UTC) reply

"dream team" is a common phrase that was originally used to describe the 1992 Basketball Olympic team which swept the competition, and then has been adapted by culture to apply to various sports and teams to mean a team that has won by a large margin over opponents. Given the context and the results of the 1969 World Judo Championships in Mexico city, (this only happed twice in the history of the sport) this is an appropriate phrase to use to describe the events.

The phrase is also used in other wikipedia articles

/info/en/?search=1992_United_States_men%27s_Olympic_basketball_team

/info/en/?search=United_States_men%27s_national_basketball_team#Dream_Team_II

/info/en/?search=1996_United_States_men%27s_Olympic_basketball_team

/info/en/?search=FIFA_World_Cup_Dream_Team

/info/en/?search=Iran_men%27s_national_sitting_volleyball_team

and the list goes on:

/info/en/?search=Dream_Team

Would it be puffery to describe the 1992 US Olympic dream team as "talented"? Or would it be appropriate to describe any other sports team as talented on wikipedia?

/info/en/?search=1992_United_States_men%27s_Olympic_basketball_team

"Opposing teams were nonetheless overwhelmed by the talent of the American roster, losing by an average of 43.8 points per game"

/info/en/?search=United_States_men%27s_national_basketball_team#Dream_Team_II

"The team assembled by USA Basketball for the tournament in Barcelona in 1992 was one of the most illustrious collections of talent assembled in the history of international sport"

/info/en/?search=1996_United_States_men%27s_Olympic_basketball_team

"USA Basketball officials sought to construct the team dubbed Dream Team III (Dream Team II was the moniker of the lesser-known 1994 FIBA World Championship team) with a winning combination of veteran players from the 1992 Dream Team that won the gold medal in Barcelona and some of the league's best young talent."

"When the first ten players of the 1996 United States Men's national basketball team roster were announced in the summer of 1995, that young talent, and first-time Olympians, included the likes of Penny Hardaway, Grant Hill, Shaquille O'Neal, and Gary Payton"

Regarding the phrase "further his education", there are sources that Bunasawa attended these universities after receiving a bachelors degree. If that isn't further one's education, then what is?

Are you saying that journalists never show their subjects a draft to ensure the correct sequence of events?

Please advise. DN27ND ( talk) 11:33, 23 July 2024 (UTC) reply

We're not journalists. Wikipedia is WP:NOTNEWSPAPER. We're actually allowed to describe people as talented, but not in Wikipedia's voice per WP:NPOV. You have to attribute those kinds of opinions to notable people, like "journalist x described y as talented". 104.232.119.107 ( talk) 13:25, 23 July 2024 (UTC) reply

Also "Dream Team" I can concede on, but other flowery wordings I'm relatively confident in. When you're already bordering on having a COI, you should be paranoid about writing stuff that borders on excessively flattering or flowery, but you're not doing adequate due diligence. 104.232.119.107 ( talk) 13:29, 23 July 2024 (UTC) reply

The selection of the word "talent" in that context was to summarize the accomplishments of those selected to be on the 1969 Japan World Judo team and in that particular year. How else would you summarize a collection of people that had multiple world titles, and had multiple Olympic gold medals? In retrospect, even most of the alternatives selected as backups went on to win world titles in subsequent championships. To choose the "talented" word, is this not appropriate considering the results that these players had?

Considering the results of sporting competitions, is it "flowery" to describe Lebron James, Michael Jordan, Tom Brady, Cristiano Ronaldo, Lionel Messi, Muhammad Ali, Mike Tyson, etc., as talented without having to say "journalist x described y as talented".?These sporting figures have won multiple world and Olympic titles in their respective sport.

At the end of the day, we are not journalist but the human aspect still applies. Courtesy and respect towards one's subject goes a long way. Just because a writer chooses to show courtesy and respect towards the subject he is writing about, it doesn't mean there is a COI.

If a person chooses to take more college courses after achieving a Bachelor's degree, how would you describe that if not "furthering his education" ? There is newspaper evidence that Bunasawa was taking more university level courses while simultaneously coaching the varsity judo team.

Could you give other examples of "flowery" wording from the article? DN27ND ( talk) 18:21, 23 July 2024 (UTC) reply

There is also no "personal, religious, political, academic, legal, or financial" COI. It is common in journalism to keep good relationships (ie protection of anonymity of whistleblowers) with one's subjects/sources in order to further obtain information from them. There is precedence (especially in sports) of subjects denying access of information to journalists who may be rude, disrespectful, etc. Some of the information taken from newspaper sources, sports media sources (ie ESPN) require journalists to be able to contact sports figures for information. DN27ND ( talk) 11:44, 23 July 2024 (UTC) reply

Per above, we're not journalists 104.232.119.107 ( talk) 13:30, 23 July 2024 (UTC) reply

We are not journalists. The info on wikipedia articles are not primary sources (birth certificates, actual signed contracts, actual college diplomas, identity cards, actual competition brackets etc). These are citations to newspapers and magazines, which are written by sports journalists or reporters. These are secondary and tertiary sources.

If wikipedia contributors are able to use primary sources, it would make writing these articles easier and actually more accurate (since I could just upload the proof)

Even though we are not journalist, having courtesy and respect towards one's subject could yield leads to information which would make summarizing events easier and more accurate. DN27ND ( talk) 18:38, 23 July 2024 (UTC) reply

Since wikipedia contributors aren't allowed to upload primary sources, in essence we are using journalist's opinions (ie journalist from the NY times, OC register, People magazine, Asahi Shimbun, Wall Street Journal, etc) as sources of evidence. Do you think the vetting process to obtain a journalist / reporter pass from these companies is strenuous?

In essence, it would be way easier, "neutral", and encyclopedic if wikipedia contributers were able to use primary sources as evidence rather than secondary, or tertiary sources written by "experts" hired by these media companies. DN27ND ( talk) 18:53, 23 July 2024 (UTC) reply

Check out the results of the 1969 Judo World Championships

/info/en/?search=1969_World_Judo_Championships

Is that not a podium sweep where one team had a decisive victory over the other teams? That is the time of only 2 times this has happened in the sports history. If the phrases "dream team" or "talented group" is not appropriate to describe the sporting results. Perhaps those words need to be censored from all other wikipedia articles about sports where these words have been used to describe competition results. DN27ND ( talk) 12:42, 23 July 2024 (UTC) reply

That 1969 World Judo team had multiple World and Olympic champions on them. In the sport of judo, the World Championships are regarded as a more difficult achievement than the Olympics due to their respective qualification processes. DN27ND ( talk) 12:49, 23 July 2024 (UTC) reply

There are also many other newspaper and magazine articles that show Bunasawa's notability on the wikipedia article.

Rezell, John (March 3, 1988). "Top Judo Instructor comes to the defense of self-defense". Orange County Register.

"Judo". Orange Network. 385: 7. April 2023.

New Judo Instructor at 'Y' Here". Indiana Evening Gazette. February 21, 1975

"Instructor on Show". Rogers Daily News. April 1975.

I could scan these newspaper articles and send them to you. Or you can go into the library archives and look them up yourself. DN27ND ( talk) 12:17, 23 July 2024 (UTC) reply

Notice: I didn't question the person's notability. I'm questioning COI and your understanding of Wikipedia's editing style. These walls of text and excessive bolding are not necessary; I can read. 104.232.119.107 ( talk) 13:26, 23 July 2024 (UTC) reply

Yes, but the original poster (Marchjuly) did question notability and it is part of this page's discussion

"I wasn't sure about the subject's Wikipedia notablity per WP:BIO and asked about the article at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Martial arts#Nori Bunasawa. DN27ND was pinged into the discussion but never responded"

People have occupations, other obligations, and commenting on wikipedia doesn't pay the bills. I'm not sure if Marchjuly was expecting an immediate response or what? DN27ND ( talk) 18:26, 23 July 2024 (UTC) reply

You're doubling down on the walls of text and bolding. I can read. I'm still confident in what I said, will not engage anymore. Good luck. 104.232.119.107 ( talk) 23:36, 23 July 2024 (UTC) reply

Whether the "working relationship" described by DN27ND consitutes a conflict (at least in regard to Wikipedia editing) per WP:COI is porbably something that needs to be further discussed at WP:COIN. I will start a discusison about it sometime within the next few days. -- Marchjuly ( talk) 04:42, 25 July 2024 (UTC) reply

Please don't scan any newspaper articles and then upload them to either Wikipedia or Wikimedia Commons because doing so is likely going to be considered a copyright violation. Please also don't reproduce verbatim any of these sources are any Wikipedia page, except perhaps as short and properly attributed quotes in accordance with MOS:QUOTE because that too will almost certainly be considered a copyright violation. If you can find these sources online somewhere (perhaps a site like Newspapers.com), you can perhaps posts links them as long as there are no WP:COPYLINK issues. You can also summarize these sources in your own words at Wikipedia talk:Articles for deletion/Nori Bunasawa (the link is WP:RED because the page doesn't exist yet). I will ask at Wikipedia:WikiProject Resource Exchange/Resource Request to see whether anyone might be able to find the Orange County Register, Indiana Evening Gazette, Orange Network and Rogers Daily News articles and provide either a link or an assessment of them. -- Marchjuly ( talk) 04:55, 25 July 2024 (UTC) reply

For the sources that are online, I've already linked them to the page.

'''Orange County Register, Indiana Evening Gazette, Orange Network and Rogers Daily News'''

These sources are not online and some of the Japanese sources are not online either. I received them as newspaper clippings. The dates and issues are included. You could try to call the local libraries in those counties and can talk to the librarian about sending you those papers.

Orange County Register has a webpage. Perhaps they might have online achieves. I have photographs of the newspaper clippings.

The Indiana Evening Gazette has online achieves. I have not looked at it because I have access to the scanned newspaper clippings.

The Orange Network is associated with the Orange County Japanese American Association. You can give them a call or search their website to see if they keep their old issues on pdf.

Rogers Daily News is the local paper from Rogers, Ark. that was published from 1927-1981. You can try to call the local library in that city, perhaps they have archives

I have them as clippings, scans, and photos taken by a camera phone.

There are actually much more newspaper articles that were written about Bunasawa in the newspapers, such as a time one of his teen students used judo in self defense against an assault, and many much more. Just because some of the sources are from 25 to 35 years ago, and before the time of the internet, doesn't make Bunasawa a less "notable" sport and martial arts figure.

The information is all there if you want to do the research and look hard enough. Also finding people (through connections) who have saved these newspaper clippings, especially for people who existed before the internet does wonders when writing up a biography.

Have fun on your search DN27ND ( talk) 18:18, 25 July 2024 (UTC) reply

There are also a few other english language papers in California stating that Bunasawa was a pre-medical student while coaching Judo. I haven't included all the sources and kept it general via "furthering his education" as some papers cited stated that he was a uni student in the USA.

If its THAT important to you, you can call Bunsawa's assistants to see if you can obtain his university diploma at Waseda University, then cross reference the dates of the newspaper sources that stated that he was a student in the USA, then voilà, you have inferred that he "furthered his education"

You can look in the biographical section of his book as well

Bunasawa, Nori; Murray, John (2007). The Toughest Man Who Ever Lived. Nevada: Innovations, Inc. and Judo Journal. p. 299. ISBN 978-0-9648984-1-7. DN27ND ( talk) 18:27, 25 July 2024 (UTC) reply

• DN27ND, to be blunt, no one is going to read through all of this confusing content you posted, it's overwhelming. You need to be concise. There are a lot of AFDs to look through and this is just one. Editors are much likely to rely on the source analysis table below, which concisely presents information in a way everyone can understand. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 05:29, 26 July 2024 (UTC) reply

  No problem

  Just added a new source that reinstates all the info already cited in the article

  Fears, Randy (October 1975). "U.S. Judo team". Rogers Daily News DN27ND ( talk) 18:59, 26 July 2024 (UTC) reply

  I'll enjoy following the source analysis table DN27ND ( talk) 19:00, 26 July 2024 (UTC) reply

• Keep The subject of the articles is notable as a US coach at the Olympic, World, and collegiate levels. He is also involved in the movie industry and has multiple credits. His The Toughest Man Who Ever Lived. Is in the process of being adapted into a motion picture.

Citations on his coaching career

Rezell, John (March 3, 1988). "Top Judo Instructor comes to the defense of self-defense". Orange County Register.

"Judo". Orange Network. 385: 7. April 2023.

New Judo Instructor at 'Y' Here". Indiana Evening Gazette. February 21, 1975

"Instructor on Show". Rogers Daily News. April 1975.

Citations & evidence on his involvement in the motion picture industry

https://www.imdb.com/name/nm12094236/

Bunasawa's involvement in "Dead or Alive"

https://www.judoinside.com/judoka/90786/Noriaki_Bunasawa/judo-career

José Padilha as the director on the BJJ-Judo movie project

https://www.imdb.com/news/ni62362469/

https://about.netflix.com/en/news/jos%C3%A9-padilha-attached-to-write-and-direct-feature-film-dead-or-alive-with-greg-silvermans-stampede-for-netflix

https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/movies/movie-news/narcos-director-jose-padilha-tackling-netflix-jiu-jitsu-movie-dead-alive-1181926/

DN27ND ( talk) 23:34, 26 July 2024 (UTC) reply

• I have added the following source assessment table for many of the additional sources cited above by DN27ND. It doesn't cover all of the sources DN27ND mentioned, but I'll keep searching online for links for those not in the table. I used Google translate for the one Russian source since I don't understand Russian, but am able to read the Japanese sources unassisted. The assessments are mine and I tried to give detailed explanations as to the reasons why I made them. The table's last column "Count source toward GNG?" is an assessment done by the table itself. An explanation of it's computed can be found at Template:Source assess#"Overall" assessment.

Source assessment table: prepared by User:Marchjuly
Source	Independent?	Reliable?	Significant coverage?	Count source toward GNG?
https://www.arkansasonline.com/news/2016/may/12/ichiban-sports-complex-shares-strange-s/	Independently published newspaper article	2016 article in Arkansas Democrat Gazette	Bunasawa in mentioned by name twice, but the main focus of the article is Willard Robertson and the Ichiban Sports Complex. Bunasawa is mentioned as being won of several "experts" Robertson brought in to work at the complex. Doesn't meet WP:SIGCOV but might be OK to use as a RS for certain article content.	✘ No
https://books.google.com.au/books?id=qNUDAAAAMBAJ&q=bunasawa&pg=PA38&redir_esc=y#v=snippet&q=bunasawa&f=false	Independently published magazine article	Four-page article titled "Title techniques" in the July 1978 issue of Black Belt (magazine)	? Three of the four pages are photos of Bunsawa demonstrating some technique, but the first page is part interview and part biographical material. Not sure this qualifies as sigcov per se, but it seems enough of a RS to support some article content. The quoted parts of the article though probably need to be treated as WP:ABOUTSELF.	? Unknown
https://www.abebooks.com/9780964898424/Toughest-Man-Who-Lived-Nori-096489842X/plp#:~:text=A%20book%20about%20Conde%20Koma,force%20in%20the%20martial%20arts	? AbeBooks page about the book Toughest Man Who Ever Lived. The paragraph on the book appears to be WP:UGC content	? Could possibly be used to support Bunasawa co-writing the book	Not close to being sigcov for either WP:GNG or WP:NAUTHOR	✘ No
https://www.judoinside.com/judoka/90786/Noriaki_Bunasawa/judo-career	? Has a fansite feel to it.	? Niche website which looks like UGC content, but might be conisdered a RS for Judo.	Brief profile blurb that might be OK as a RS for certain article content but isn't close to being sigcov.	✘ No
https://www.instagram.com/p/Crg9KAmBek5/?utm_source=ig_web_copy_link&igsh=MzRlODBiNWFlZA%3D%3D	Instagram account that appears to be connected to Bunasawa.	? UGC and WP:SPS type of source that only could be used per WP:ABOUTSELF	Not close to being sigcov	✘ No
https://www.imdb.com/news/ni62362469/	IMDb blurb about this 2019 The Hollywood Reporter article	? Original article is probably a good source for content about the movie, but there's nothing in the article about Bunasawa; so, trying to use this to support content about Bunasawa's involvement with the film seems to be WP:SYN.	Not close to being signcov	✘ No
https://about.netflix.com/en/news/jos%C3%A9-padilha-attached-to-write-and-direct-feature-film-dead-or-alive-with-greg-silvermans-stampede-for-netflix	? Netflix PR blurb about film	? Like the above source, might be for content about the film as WP:PRIMARY source, but makes no mention of Bunasawa.	Not close to being sigcov	✘ No
https://www.imdb.com/name/nm12094236/	Bunasawa's IMDb page	IMDb pages are generally not considered RS per WP:IMDB	Not close ot being sigcov	✘ No
https://www.kinopoisk.ru/film/4294861/	? Russian language movie website	? Looks to be similar to IMDb, and bascially just a cast/crew list for the 1990 film Martial Marshal (seems to also be called Judo Justice). Bunasawa isn't mentioned at all	Not close to being sigcov	✘ No
https://en.kinorium.com/2680888/cast/	? Another movie database type site	? Appear to be an IMDb type site. Bunasawa in listed by name in the "Cast" section as playing "Gonji Tamashita" but nothing more.	? Not close to being sigcov	? Unknown
https://4kou.jp/news/434/ (link is to high school's alumni association's website which scanned and reposted the article. An April 2021 archived version of the article from the Asahi Shimbun website can be found here.)	September 2020 article/feature in the Saitama edition of the Japanese newspaper Asahi Shimbun	The Asahi Shimbun is certainly a RS, but this seems to have appeared only in a local edition of the paper for Saitama Prefecture. It's also primarily about the one of the area's local high school's and the school's alumni. There are five half-pages and Bunasawa is mentioned (there's a photo of him as well) on the fifth half-page along with others (including his older brother) who were involved in the school's judo club. This could be a RS to support article content about Bunasawa having a brother, going to this particular high school, or some other associated article content.	? There's more converage about Bunasawa in this particular article than there's is in perhaps many of the other sources mentioned above, but it doesn't seem to be sigcov.	? Unknown
https://www.judo-ch.jp/result/ajsc/men1970.shtml	? Database-like site of judo competition results	? Appears to be a UGC type of site, but might be considered reliable for articles about judo competitions。Bunsawa is mentioned by name once for finishing runner up in the light-weight class of a 1969 judo tournament in Fukuoka, Japan.	Not close to being sigcov	✘ No
https://sputniknews.jp/20190902/6634165.html	? August 2019 piece by Sputnik (news agency)	Site isn't considered reliable per WP:SPUTNIK but not clear whether that applies to judo. The Wikipedia article about the site states it's frequently described as a "propaganda outlet" that's currently banned in the EU. This might have more to do with other things than judo though. The article is only a few paragraphs long and quotes Bunasawa a couple of times (as an "expert" perhaps) on how non-Japanese judokas can prepare to beat their Japanese counterparts at the 2020 Tokyo Olympics.	Not close to being sigcov	✘ No
https://www.ocjaa.org/orange-network	Piece in the April 2023 issue of a magazine/newsletter put out by the Orange County Japanese American Association.	? This would appear to be UGC content with very little if any kind of rigorous editorial control. I don't think the OCJAA would knowingly post anything false, but they might not have the capability to the type of strenuous fact checking expected of a RS. It's certainly doesn't seem to be a major news publication; it doesn't even seem to be close to the level of the Rafu Shimpo. It's published in Japanese and its target audience is most likely Japanese-Americans, Japanese nationals or other Japanese speakers living/working in the area. The April 2023 issue in which the the article "Judo" is supposed to appear isn't available any longer on the OCJAA website, but the cover can be seen here. I tried to see if I could find an archived version of of the issue from an archived version of the main page like this one from June 2023 or this one from April 2024 and work backwards, but had no luck.	? Hard to assess whether the article is sigcov, but from looking at some recent issues still available online like july 2024, June 2024, May 2024 and April 2024, the "magazine" appears to be mainly advertisements and event listing with a few stories/interviews thrown in. There's a good chance the "Judo" article was an part interview and part general interest piece that had some biographical information about Bunasawa but nothing resembling the sigcov to help establish Wikipedia notability.	? Unknown
Fears, Randy (October 1975). "U.S. Judo team". Rogers Daily News.	Independently published newspaper article .	Article in the October 1975 newspaper put out by the Roger Daily News	Clearly states that Bunasawa (runner up in the All-Japan Championships in 1969) and Zeelenburg (seargent in the Air Force) were coaches on the USA World Team that competed in Vienna. The author had a typo in which he states that the Vienna Judo World Championships were in 1976, but in actuality they were in 1975	✔ Yes
Rezell, John (March 3, 1988). "Top Judo Instructor comes to the defense of self-defense". Orange County Register	Independently published newspaper article .	Article in the March 1988 newspaper put out by the Orange County Register	Clearly states that Bunasawa was a US Olympic coach in 1972	✔ Yes
This table may not be a final or consensus view; it may summarize developing consensus, or reflect assessments of a single editor. Created using {{ source assess table}}.

    -- Marchjuly ( talk) 03:07, 25 July 2024 (UTC) reply

• Lean delete per table above, unless it is updated with other sources. The COI is a contributing factor. DN27ND, please do not try to convince me otherwise of COI, you had several essays worth of space to do so and you have not yet. 104.232.119.107 ( talk) 20:54, 26 July 2024 (UTC) reply

Who are you and what are your qualifications? The wikipedia article created on Bunasawa is very well sourced. If there is doubt, the onus is on you to do your research. The Bunasawa is way more sourced than many articles on wikipedia. Regarding the table, there are no requirements for contributors to make one. You and people who doubt the authenticity or notability should make one. This is a blatant attempt of censorship. DN27ND ( talk) 23:26, 26 July 2024 (UTC) reply

It isn't an attempt at censorship, it's an attempt at determining whether or not the article belongs on Wikipedia by judging it against Wikipedia policy. Or do you believe that there's a reason why some kind of non policy-related conspiracy might lead to the article being deleted? Axad12 ( talk) 15:47, 27 July 2024 (UTC) reply

Here are the main papers which state that Bunasawa has coached at the Olympic & World level are these ones

Rezell, John (March 3, 1988). "Top Judo Instructor comes to the defense of self-defense". Orange County Register.

"Judo". Orange Network. 385: 7. April 2023.

New Judo Instructor at 'Y' Here". Indiana Evening Gazette. February 21, 1975

"Instructor on Show". Rogers Daily News. April 1975.

Fears, Randy (October 1975). "U.S. Judo team". Rogers Daily News.

I have the scanned newspaper clippings on my computer, and could post them here DN27ND ( talk) 23:41, 26 July 2024 (UTC) reply

DN27ND ( talk) 23:55, 26 July 2024 (UTC) reply

DN27ND ( talk) 23:57, 26 July 2024 (UTC) reply

There are many more articles I could post. I wouldn't have gotten access to leads to this information and these clippings if I did not have contact with Bunasawa and his team. You can suspect COI, but that is speculation and open for debate. DN27ND ( talk) 00:00, 27 July 2024 (UTC) reply

A discussion about this has been started at WP:COIN#User:DN27ND. It's probably better to further discuss this there than here. -- Marchjuly ( talk) 03:04, 27 July 2024 (UTC) reply

Also there was a typo in Rogers Daily News by Randy Fears. The World Championships in Vienna were held in 1975 rather than 1976. DN27ND ( talk) 00:02, 27 July 2024 (UTC) reply

I could get clippings of (in a month or so)

"New Judo Instructor at 'Y' Here". Indiana Evening Gazette. February 21, 1975.

and I could post it to show Bunasawa was indeed a collegiate coach as well.

But what's to stop future editors from accusations without doing their research?

If 100 future editors all want these clippings, am I to post it 100 times in the future?

The article is extensively sourced, and the onus is on the accuser to do their research. DN27ND ( talk) 02:12, 27 July 2024 (UTC) reply

You were advised above not to upload scans or photos of newspaper article because or the copyright issues related to doing so. Scanning or taking a photo of a newspaper article doesn't make it your "own work" as explained in c:COM:Own work and c:COM:2D copying, and you can't upload such things to Commons as your "own work"; moreover, even if you properly attribute the original work and are claiming the scan/photo is a c:COM:Derivative work in some way, you still can't upload such things to Commons unless can clearly show the original publications the articles appeared in are no longer under copyright protection or have been release under an acceptable license by their copyright holders. You can summarize these sources in your own words on either the article's talk page or this AfD's talk page if you want, but you shouldn't reproduce them verbatim. I've tagged the files for speedy deletion on Commons and hidden them here until they are reviewed by a Commons adminstrator. If you'd like to provide evidence that these newspaper articles are your "own work" or otherwise aren't protected by copyright, please do so at c:COM:ANU#User:DN27ND; please don't, however, unhide the files until their licensing can be sorted out, and please don't upload anymore. If it the files are kept by Commons, I have no problem unhiding them myself. -- Marchjuly ( talk) 02:25, 27 July 2024 (UTC) reply

Sure delete it. Did you update your table using those sources? DN27ND ( talk) 02:57, 27 July 2024 (UTC) reply

Those articles clearly state that Bunasawa was the US Judo World and Olympic coach at one point in his career DN27ND ( talk) 02:59, 27 July 2024 (UTC) reply

The point is that the sources exist and are not fabricated. The Bunasawa article is extensively sourced. I'm not sure if they are online because these are sources from the 1970s and 1980s.

There are records from newspapers indicating that he was a Judo coach for the US team and for collegiate teams in the 1970s. They aren't online but I have the clippings. DN27ND ( talk) 03:07, 27 July 2024 (UTC) reply

DN27ND, you obviously didn't take my hint that you had said ENOUGH. No one is going to read through all of these comments you have posted and there might well be a backlash to your bludgeoning of this discussion. If you don't stop right here, you might very well get a partial block from editing this page. You are not helping your case, you are hurting it. Editors know where you stand, please room for other editors to participate. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 03:25, 27 July 2024 (UTC) reply

• Delete on the basis that this discussion [29] suggests that the subject doesn't meet WP:MANOTE. Also, the article was originally written by a user who has claimed on Commons to be the subject. User DN27ND is clearly closely associated with the subject, if they are not actually the subject, and at the very least is editing directly on behalf of the subject. His claims to be a journalist are clearly questionable, as journalists do not post the results of their work on Wikipedia. COI users, however, do. Axad12 ( talk) 14.39, 27 July 2024 (UTC)
• Delete I appreciate the analysis done by Marchjuly. I had started to put together my own list, but he published first. I generally agree with his analysis. I didn't see anything that convinces me that there are multiple cases of significant independent coverage in reliable sources. Passing mentions, being named a judo instructor, martial arts rank, demonstrating techniques, and listings of results have never been considered sufficient to provide the coverage necessary to show WP notability. There is no evidence that he meets WP:SPORTBASIC which talks about having "success in a major international competition at the highest level." He didn't qualify for the Japanese team even though they were awarded two spots in each division. Being one of two team alternates in his division isn't enough, nor are high school or collegiate championships. I also don't see him meeting notability requirements as an author or actor. I would say he's a talented judoka, but that alone is not grounds for WP notability. Papaursa ( talk) 16:15, 27 July 2024 (UTC) reply

After a deletion discussion it was decided to merge Wikipedia:WikiProject Deletion sorting/Motorsports into this page. For the archive of WikiProject Deletion sorting/Motorsports, see Wikipedia:WikiProject Deletion sorting/Motorsports/archive.

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Fails WP:SPORTSCRIT. Only primary sources provided. LibStar ( talk) 03:24, 27 July 2024 (UTC) reply

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Fails WP:SPORTSCRIT. Only primary sources provided. LibStar ( talk) 14:53, 26 July 2024 (UTC) reply

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• Weak keep – same as my argument for Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Henry Long (speedway rider) thathe was one of the title clinching finalist of a world championship event, thus he should be able to pass WP:NMOTORSPORT. WP:ATD will be to draftify for expansion. SpacedFarmer ( talk) 16:06, 26 July 2024 (UTC) reply
• Comment: I've added one additional reference from a Swedish newspaper, but I've only got access to things far more recent than Gunnar Malmqvist's career at home. A search in he newspaper archive of the Royal Library of Sweden gives some promising results, if someone's got access to it through e.g. the university connection (though it's the wrong time of the year to be present on campus, I suppose). / Julle ( talk) 03:02, 27 July 2024 (UTC) reply

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Fails WP:SPORTSCRIT. Only primary sources provided. LibStar ( talk) 12:02, 26 July 2024 (UTC) reply

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Per WP:DEL#8: Doesn't meet GNG, WP:NSPORTS or WP:NMOTORSPORT. Nobody ( talk) 07:35, 26 July 2024 (UTC) reply

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hi. how can we edit this to meet requirements? Thanks Zach David ( talk) 15:12, 26 July 2024 (UTC) reply

• Delete clearly non-notable, and obvious conflict of interest doesn't help. ~~ AirshipJungleman29 ( talk) 16:56, 26 July 2024 (UTC) reply

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Fails WP:SPORTSCRIT, only primary sources provided. Nothing found when searching ["Mark Carlson" speedway] LibStar ( talk) 03:14, 26 July 2024 (UTC) reply

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• Delete – WP:NOTDATABASE, sources are available but all primary or database entries. No claim of notability. 5225_C ( talk •  contributions) 06:56, 26 July 2024 (UTC) reply

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Fails WP:SPORTSCRIT, only primary sources provided. Nothing found when searching ["Henry Long " speedway] LibStar ( talk) 03:11, 26 July 2024 (UTC) reply

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• Weak keep for that he was one of the title clinching finalist of a world championship event, thus he should be able to pass WP:NMOTORSPORT. WP:ATD will be to draftify for expansion. SpacedFarmer ( talk) 16:02, 26 July 2024 (UTC) reply
  • That isn't a criteria of WP:NMOTORSPORT? 5225_C ( talk •  contributions) 03:46, 27 July 2024 (UTC) reply

2024 Mexico City Grand Prix (  | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – ( View AfD | edits since nomination)

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Too early to establish notability. Typical practice is to start the article the week of the race, which tends to be when reliable sources begin to exist about the race. This event takes place in 3 month and there is no evidence of this meeting WP:NEVENT. Should be redirected to 2024 Formula One World Championship as it was before. Cerebral726 (talk) 12:38, 25 July 2024 (UTC) reply

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• Speedily restore redirect - Standard practice is already in place here for a reason. Page shouldn't be created until the week of the event. HumanBodyPiloter5 ( talk) 13:24, 25 July 2024 (UTC) reply

  No, page shouldn't have been created until notability criteria is met. This is usually 1 week before. But there is no reason it couldn't be six months before. In this case it isn't. But arguing any outcome because this article does/doesn't meet an arbitary time frame is nonsense. There is no rule (official or by implied consensus) that this has to be the case. SSSB ( talk) 08:07, 26 July 2024 (UTC) reply

  I think that was covered in my "standard practice is already in place here for a reason" statement. This discussion or variations of it have been had many times because it's fairly well-established that these events almost never meet the WP:GNG until the week of the event. It shouldn't be necessary to restate the same thing every time one of these articles gets made months in advance unless there's some compelling evidence presented to the contrary. HumanBodyPiloter5 ( talk) 02:33, 27 July 2024 (UTC) reply

  "it's fairly well-established that these events almost never meet the WP:GNG until the week of the event." but sometimes they reach GNG more than 1 week before the event in which case creating an article is justified. The reasoning here should be "GNG is not yet met, but may be met in the future", or "WP:TOOSOON". This idea that a Grand Prix article cannot be created more than a week before the event is nonsense and a Wikipedia:Arguments to avoid in deletion discussions#Subject age argument. "It is more than one week until the event, so GNG cannot possible be met." Please provide an actually policy based arguemnt in future. SSSB ( talk) 06:45, 27 July 2024 (UTC) reply

  • Nobody's saying there aren't exceptions? HumanBodyPiloter5 is completely correct in their statements and, in case it's not glaringly obvious, you actually agree with each other. We all edit in the same space, have done for years, and are on the same page when it comes to this discussion and the correct practice when creating race reports, there's no need to patronise each other here. 5225_C ( talk •  contributions) 07:14, 27 July 2024 (UTC) reply

• Redirect – 5225_C ( talk •  contributions) 16:16, 25 July 2024 (UTC) reply
• Redirect We have zero information because it is a few months away and it fails the Wikipedia Crystal Ball policy. Felicia (talk) 18:16, 25 July 2024 (UTC) reply
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• Redirect – No reason to delete. This was and should be a redirect. It could've been dealt with proactively—with a revert—instead of opening a whole AfD. MSport1005 ( talk) 19:55, 25 July 2024 (UTC) reply

  It was reverted to a redirect but then the user reinstated the article. Thought it best to get consensus in the easiest way possible instead of edit warring. Cerebral726 (talk) 19:56, 25 July 2024 (UTC) reply

• Redirect to 2024 Formula One World Championship: For the reasons mentioned earlier. WP:GNG is not met. Let'srun ( talk) 00:28, 26 July 2024 (UTC) reply
• Delete: Clear case of WP:TOOSOON. SSSB ( talk) 08:02, 26 July 2024 (UTC) reply

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Not notable sportsperson without notable sporting achievements. Sources only refer to sports results. Searching the internet for "Jaroslav Volf" shows other people with the same name. Same case as the recently nominated Bedřich Slaný. FromCzech ( talk) 05:56, 25 July 2024 (UTC) reply

• Keep: Clearly notable because he competed in the final of the Speedway World Cup, the sport's pinnacle AND reached the final of the Speedway individual world championship. Pyeongchang ( talk) 08:43, 25 July 2024 (UTC) — Note to closing admin: Pyeongchang ( talk • contribs) is the creator of the page that is the subject of this AfD. reply

  The sport's pinnacle are the Olympic Games and athletes do not meet the condition of notability just by participating in them. If you say 'keep' you have to objectively demonstrate notability according to WP:GNG and WP:NMOTORSPORT. FromCzech ( talk) 09:11, 25 July 2024 (UTC) reply

• Note: The Olympic Games are not the sports pinnacle, there is no speedway at the Olympic Games as is the case for numerous other sports. For information the pinnacle of speedway is the World Individual championships (now called the Grand Prix) and the World Cup. I have since added additional references from books and Newspaper Archive. Pyeongchang ( talk) 09:22, 25 July 2024 (UTC) reply
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• Delete – Unimpressed by the sources available. Routine recaps of events in local papers are not significant coverage of the individual. There is no attempt to claim significance in the article. Wikipedia is not a database ( WP:NOTDATABASE). 5225_C ( talk •  contributions) 07:04, 26 July 2024 (UTC) reply
• Delete Fails WP:SPORTSCRIT. The non speedway sources do not appear in depth. LibStar ( talk) 12:19, 26 July 2024 (UTC) reply
• Weak keep for that he was one of the title clinching finalist of a world championship event. WP:ATD will be to draftify for expansion. I agree with Pyeongchang's statement that it is the pinnacle of speedway. SpacedFarmer ( talk) 16:13, 26 July 2024 (UTC) reply
• Delete. Fails GNG and in particular SPORTCRIT. Accomplishments carry zero weight so !votes to keep based on appearing in a championship should be discounted. JoelleJay ( talk) 02:46, 27 July 2024 (UTC) reply

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Not notable sportsperson without notable sporting achievements. Sources refer to sports results except for one, which is an interview with the person concerned. Searching the internet for "Karel Průša" shows other people with the same name. Same case as the recently nominated Bedřich Slaný. FromCzech ( talk) 06:03, 25 July 2024 (UTC) reply

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• Keep: Clearly notable because he competed in the final of the Speedway World Cup, the sport's pinnacle. Pyeongchang ( talk) 08:44, 25 July 2024 (UTC) — Note to closing admin: Pyeongchang ( talk • contribs) is the creator of the page that is the subject of this AfD. reply

  The sport's pinnacle are the Olympic Games and athletes do not meet the condition of notability just by participating in them. If you say 'keep' you have to objectively demonstrate notability according to WP:GNG and WP:NMOTORSPORT. FromCzech ( talk) 09:10, 25 July 2024 (UTC) reply

• Note: The Olympic Games are not the sports pinnacle, there is no speedway at the Olympic Games as is the case for numerous other sports. For information the pinnacle of speedway is the World Individual championships (now called the Grand Prix) and the World Cup. I have since added additional references from books and Newspaper Archive. Pyeongchang ( talk) 09:19, 25 July 2024 (UTC) reply
• Keep for that he was one of the title clinching finalist of a world championship event. WP:ATD will be to draftify for expansion. I agree with Pyeongchang's statement that it is the pinnacle of speedway. SpacedFarmer ( talk) 16:15, 26 July 2024 (UTC) reply
• Draftify. Competing or even winning at the pinnacle of a sport, whether Grand Prix or Olympics, is not a valid inclusion criterion. SPORTCRIT requires GNG be met and for a GNG-contributing source to be cited in the article. If the "Speedway A-Z" source is not SPS then that would probably satisfy SPORTCRIT, but multiple sources are needed for GNG. JoelleJay ( talk) 03:04, 27 July 2024 (UTC) reply

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Not notable sportsperson without notable sporting achievements. Sources only refer to passing mentions and sports results. Searching the internet for "Bedřich Slaný" shows other people with the same name. FromCzech ( talk) 05:35, 25 July 2024 (UTC) reply

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• Comment: The Czech version cs:Bedřich Slaný of the article says (without a reference) that he died on 11 October 1980. Perhaps a news article about him or an obituary in a reliable source was published shortly after his death. Someone with access to Czechoslovak news media from 1980 might want to search for references from October 1980. The Wikipedia Library would also be worth searching. If you find one or more useful references, please add them to the Czech version cs:Bedřich Slaný as well., Eastmain ( talk • contribs) 06:21, 25 July 2024 (UTC) reply
• Keep: Clearly notable because he competed in the final of the Speedway World Cup, the sport's pinnacle. Pyeongchang ( talk) 08:41, 25 July 2024 (UTC) — Note to closing admin: Pyeongchang ( talk • contribs) is the creator of the page that is the subject of this AfD. reply

  The sport's pinnacle are the Olympic Games and athletes do not meet the condition of notability just by participating in them. If you say 'keep' you have to objectively demonstrate notability according to WP:GNG and WP:NMOTORSPORT. FromCzech ( talk) 09:09, 25 July 2024 (UTC) reply

• Note: The Olympic Games are not the sports pinnacle, there is no speedway at the Olympic Games as is the case for numerous other sports. For information the pinnacle of speedway is the World Individual championships (now called the Grand Prix) and the World Cup. I have since added additional references from books and Newspaper Archive. Pyeongchang ( talk) 09:22, 25 July 2024 (UTC) reply

  Of course, I meant in general that if for Olympic sports the participation of an athlete in the Olympics is not a criterion of notability, the participation of a speedway racer in the Speedway World Cup is also not a criterion of notability. The sources you have added here and elsewhere do not demonstrate notability according to Wikipedia criteria.

  Redirect to 1962 Speedway World Team Cup may be an alternative to deletion. FromCzech ( talk) 09:40, 25 July 2024 (UTC) reply

• Redirect, we do not have sources demonstrating GNG is met, only passing mentions. JoelleJay ( talk) 23:40, 25 July 2024 (UTC) reply
• Weak keep for that he was one of the title clinching finalist of a world championship event. WP:ATD will be to draftify for expansion. I agree with Pyeongchang's statement that it is the pinnacle of speedway. SpacedFarmer ( talk) 16:16, 26 July 2024 (UTC) reply
  • This is not a valid notability criterion. NSPORT requires GNG be met. JoelleJay ( talk) 03:05, 27 July 2024 (UTC) reply
  • "title clinching finalist of a world championship event" does not appear in WP:NMOTORSPORT as an accomplishment which leads to a presumption of notability. 5225_C ( talk •  contributions) 03:43, 27 July 2024 (UTC) reply

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Delete Does not meet WP:GNG. The only reference link is their company website. The company seems to have supported many famous race drivers, but as per WP:ORGDEPTH, most of the articles speak about the racers and there is no significant coverage on the company itself. Wikilover3509 ( talk) 6:40, 23 July 2024 (UTC)

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• Delete – Exceedingly poor quality article. This could easily have been G11ed. I see no indication of significant coverage and no real claim of notability. 5225_C ( talk •  contributions) 11:06, 23 July 2024 (UTC) reply
  • The article was created by one Jameswright2004 who had a particularly strong interest in the subject, I'm sure of a purely impersonal nature. 5225_C ( talk •  contributions) 07:08, 26 July 2024 (UTC) reply
• Delete No significant coverage in independent, reliable sources to prove notability. Prof.PMarini ( talk) 13:18, 23 July 2024 (UTC) reply
• Delete - Poorly sourced article, and I couldn't find any third party sources reporting on it at all. BMB YT 500000 ( talk) 13:35, 23 July 2024 (UTC) reply
• Delete - No sourcing and cannot find anything online that meets WP:ORGCRIT. -- CNMall41 ( talk) 04:11, 24 July 2024 (UTC) reply

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Delete per WP:TOOSOON. Or possibly redirect to Australian GT Championship as an ATD. CycloneYoris ^talk! 20:29, 17 July 2024 (UTC) reply

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• Keep: If you got rid of this one page youd have to get rid of all of these pages too Category:Scheduled motorsport seasons Multiple of those articles lack in real infomation and are full of TBCs. MotoGP and WRC dont even have the race calendar on them, but rather contracted races. There is sources about what tracks are holding what. And the dates. AidenT06 ( talk) 22:23, 17 July 2024 (UTC) — Note to closing admin: AidenT06 ( talk • contribs) is the creator of the page that is the subject of this AfD. reply
• Keep: This championship is a GT championshio just like the British GT Championship and Intercontinental GT Challenge, in which this championship has also valid pages for the 2025 seasons right now. And the race calendar was already published for the next year. So, this page should be kept. And I really agree @ AidenT06 for his opinion. There are two important categories already including the next seasons of motorsport championships, Category:2025 in motorsport and Category:Scheduled motorsport seasons. So, if you got rid of this page, why did not you get rid of the pages of all 2025 seasons, also for F1, WEC, and so on? Apeiro94 ( talk) 05:18, 18 July 2024 (UTC) reply

  Please read WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS. HumanBodyPiloter5 ( talk) 13:21, 25 July 2024 (UTC) reply

• Draftify – Quick search for sources show that we're still in the early announcements stage of planning for the season. Deletion is unwarranted but could do with further development in draft space before being moved to main later this year when there will presumably be some more meaty content to discuss. Neither keep vote makes any substantial argument, both rely on WP:OTHERSTUFF appeals. 5225_C ( talk •  contributions) 08:06, 23 July 2024 (UTC) reply

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• Draftify as a reasonable WP:ATD. The previous iterations of the championship seem notable, so there's no indication why this one cannot be when the time comes. But right now, it should be incubated in draftspace until the event is much closer. Bandit Heeler ( talk) 02:52, 25 July 2024 (UTC) reply
• Draftify: Per WP:TOOSOON, "[f]or an article to be created, its subject should be verifiably notable due to its discussion in sufficient independent secondary reliable sources". That is simply not the case and the article is best sent to draft as this will change in the future. TarnishedPath ^talk 10:46, 25 July 2024 (UTC) reply
• Draftify - Obvious case of WP:TOOSOON. No evidence that this currently meets the WP:GNG even if it has WP:POTENTIAL to do so in the future. I doubt that this article will meet the WP:GNG at any point before December. HumanBodyPiloter5 ( talk) 13:21, 25 July 2024 (UTC) reply
• Draftify so users can work on the page when more news arise. Clear case of WP:TOOSOON as it stands. Notability not an issue. MSport1005 ( talk) 20:00, 25 July 2024 (UTC) reply

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Fails WP:SPORTSCRIT. Almost all the sourcing is not third party but speedway related. LibStar ( talk) 01:30, 12 July 2024 (UTC) reply

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Keep. The fact that the sources are related to the speedway does not make them non-independent. Per WP:GNG "Independent of the subject" excludes works produced by the article's subject or someone affiliated with it. These sources could be considered affiliated with him if, for example, he were their owner. I would add a few more secondary sources [30] [31] [32] Tau Corvi ( talk) 22:01, 15 July 2024 (UTC) reply

I have set up a discussion here Wikipedia:Reliable_sources/Noticeboard#Speedway_related_sources. LibStar ( talk) 23:48, 15 July 2024 (UTC) reply

Comment: I saw the RSN discussion first, so I do not plan to vote, but to give my opinion from my limited perspective. Having taken a look at Scunthorpe Scorpions, which looks like two different teams on one article, I can count about five dozen riders that have articles. Of the " Notable riders," most of them use " speedway related sources" in their articles with British Speedway cited between two and three dozen times. (More problematic, but farther outside of the discussion is that at least one article is citing sources that are MREL and GUNREL.)

Overall, the issue over the specific sources is going to have an effect on other articles. If deemed a problem, then there will need to be more AfD discussions in the near future; while if deemed acceptable could lead to additional article creations. I am of the opinion that redirects to the team articles could be more preferred than deletion and that some information might be includable in the various team articles. That said, I am unsure if the sources are a problem on these rider articles. -- Super Goku V ( talk) 06:19, 16 July 2024 (UTC) reply

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Delete per nom. Lacking in WP:SIGCOV. SpacedFarmer ( talk) 20:49, 22 July 2024 (UTC) reply

Delete – Minimal significant coverage, no real claim of notability. 5225_C ( talk •  contributions) 08:09, 23 July 2024 (UTC) reply

• Delete: This BLP lacks the needed WP:SIGCOV to meet the WP:GNG. Let'srun ( talk) 16:32, 25 July 2024 (UTC) reply

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2 of the 3 sources brought up are not independent as discussed in reliable sources. The article subject still fails WP:SPORTSCRIT and WP:BIO. LibStar ( talk) 01:35, 26 July 2024 (UTC) reply

Comment on the talk pages of the articles, not here.

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The provided sources are mentions and stats pages. Nothing else is available in Google. Shinadamina ( talk) 01:33, 27 July 2024 (UTC) reply

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• Delete: Lacks significance coverage. Mn1548 ( talk) 09:24, 27 July 2024 (UTC) reply

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I want to propose that the 2022 NRL pre-season results be redirected to National Rugby League#Pre-season or deleted, in addition to the 2023 NRL pre-season results and 2024 NRL pre-season results articles being renamed to 2023 NRL Pre-season Challenge and 2024 NRL Pre-season Challenge respectively. A collection of independently organised friendlies grouped on to one page is a trivial list and the information is better suited on the "2022 [team] season" pages. As for 2023 and 2024, these were organised by the NRL and the title of those pages should reflect the official name "Pre-season Challenge".

I understand muti page move would have likely been a better format for this discussion, however the template did not seem to function properly. Mn1548 ( talk) 10:33, 17 July 2024 (UTC) reply

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An alternative could be to merge/redirect to 2022 NRL season#Pre-season, adding details from the background but not the fixtures section. There are only four NRL teams without 2022 season articles, Raiders, Roosters, Tigers, and Warriors, so all the matches apart from 2 (Roosters against Raiders and Tigers) are covered by these articles. EdwardUK ( talk) 13:01, 17 July 2024 (UTC) reply

That would be a more appropriate redirect, thanks. Mn1548 ( talk) 14:41, 17 July 2024 (UTC) reply

• Keep: Disagreeing with the contention to rename the 2023 and 2024 articles. Both include additional information (trials, All Stars etc) that don't quite fit into the NRL's "Pre-season Challenge" nomenclature. I think the article in question here is a reasonable fork from the 2022 NRL season results article, which effectively captures the intention of these pre-season results articles. If anything (and this is especially true in the WP:RL space), these articles just require more prose. Storm machine ( talk) 23:45, 18 July 2024 (UTC) reply

  Generally agree with most of this, though it still doesn't cover my main issue with the page - its title. "2022 NRL season results" implies there is some sort of formal organisation by the NRL, which there wasn't until 2023 and the pre-season challenge. Re 2023 and 2024, the non pre-season challenge information is minimal, and can be moved to the pre-season section of the respective NRL season page leaving the pre-season page as purely pre-season challenge information. Mn1548 ( talk) 10:06, 19 July 2024 (UTC) reply

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, ✗ plicit 11:38, 24 July 2024 (UTC) reply

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Subject lacks the needed reliable coverage from independent sources to meet the WP:GNG as a BLP. The sources currently in the article are either school websites or student newspapers, neither of which are independent. A check for coverage elsewhere didn't reveal anything more. Let'srun ( talk) 00:14, 25 July 2024 (UTC) reply

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• Delete: no independent sources and none found online '''[[ User:CanonNi]]''' ( talk • contribs) 05:07, 25 July 2024 (UTC) reply

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Subject lacks the needed WP:SIGCOV to meet the WP:GNG. Let'srun ( talk) 14:21, 23 July 2024 (UTC) reply

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• Delete Could not find any WP:SIGCOV as well. Vorann Gencov ( talk) 15:21, 23 July 2024 (UTC) reply
• Redirect (and merge?) as this is the predecessor of the Czech Republic men's national softball team per [33] and [34]. C 679 16:09, 23 July 2024 (UTC) reply
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• Redirect to the successor Czech Republic men's national softball team per C679. ⋆｡˚꒰ঌ Clara A. Djalim ໒꒱˚｡⋆ 12:40, 25 July 2024 (UTC) reply

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Antálek played 90 minutes of professional football before being sent to lower leagues. I found nothing better than Teraz, a brief mention in squad list, but am not sure how reliable it is. Article fails WP:GNG without significant coverage overall. ⋆｡˚꒰ঌ Clara A. Djalim ໒꒱˚｡⋆ 11:00, 27 July 2024 (UTC) reply

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Fails WP:GNG and WP:NBASKETBALL - was created in 2017 with heavy promotional material. The subject played primarily in an Australian second tier semi-professional league. There are no secondary or independent sources available. The subject is also basically an Orphan with it's only link being his father's page at Sedale Threatt. DaHuzyBru ( talk) 06:59, 27 July 2024 (UTC) reply

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Fails WP:SPORTSCRIT. Only primary sources provided. LibStar ( talk) 03:24, 27 July 2024 (UTC) reply

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The provided sources are mentions and stats pages. Nothing else is available in Google. Shinadamina ( talk) 01:33, 27 July 2024 (UTC) reply

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• Delete: Lacks significance coverage. Mn1548 ( talk) 09:24, 27 July 2024 (UTC) reply

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Ambra played 164 minutes at lower Italian club of AlbinoLeffe and does not seem to meet WP:GNG. Futbol Portal is a rumor about his potential transfer to Premier League followed by interview analysis. Zahori is an interview. SME is an interview but I can't access due to paywall. Neither of these count towards significant coverage. ⋆｡˚꒰ঌ Clara A. Djalim ໒꒱˚｡⋆ 17:25, 26 July 2024 (UTC) reply

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• Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found which show significant coverage please ping me. Giant Snowman 17:59, 26 July 2024 (UTC) reply
• Delete, no accomplishments or sources that form a basis for an article. Geschichte ( talk) 20:08, 26 July 2024 (UTC) reply

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I'm not seeing enough WP:SIGCOV for this goalkeeper that only played in 3 professional games. While searching for Gerald/Gerard D'Mello, I found Deccan Herald, Herald Goa, Navhind Times and Telegraph India, all of which are passing mentions. If this article is kept, we should consider moving it to 'Gerard D'Mello' as this seems to be a more popular spelling. Spiderone ^{(Talk to Spider)} 16:45, 26 July 2024 (UTC) reply

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• Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found which show significant coverage please ping me. Giant Snowman 17:58, 26 July 2024 (UTC) reply
• Delete – Fails in WP:GNG. Svartner ( talk) 06:58, 27 July 2024 (UTC) reply

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Doesn't meet WP:GNG or WP:SPORTCRIT. Only secondary sources in the article and found during WP:BEFORE check are match reports with surface level coverage of the subject. AlexandraAVX ( talk) 16:25, 26 July 2024 (UTC) reply

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• Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found which show significant coverage please ping me. Giant Snowman 17:58, 26 July 2024 (UTC) reply
• Weak keep I am happy with the sources in the article, young player with on going career, although somewhat primary heavy, there seems enough to show basic. Govvy ( talk) 23:21, 26 July 2024 (UTC) reply

  Which sources do you believe contain significant coverage of the subject? AlexandraAVX ( talk) 06:01, 27 July 2024 (UTC) reply

• Delete: Subject lacks the needed WP:SIGCOV to meet the WP:GNG. All I see here are primary sources, passing mentions, and some YouTube clips. Let'srun ( talk) 14:19, 27 July 2024 (UTC) reply

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Potentially fails WP:GNG here. I have searched Albanian sources and found nothing better than Panorama, a passing mention about a disciplinary issue. Spiderone ^{(Talk to Spider)} 16:33, 26 July 2024 (UTC) reply

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• Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found which show significant coverage please ping me. Giant Snowman 17:58, 26 July 2024 (UTC) reply
• Delete – Fails in WP:GNG. Svartner ( talk) 06:57, 27 July 2024 (UTC) reply
• Delete. No significant coverage. The only coverage are stats posted on sports sites, not enough to prove notability. Prof.PMarini ( talk) 11:16, 27 July 2024 (UTC) reply

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Fails WP:SPORTSCRIT. Only primary sources provided. LibStar ( talk) 14:53, 26 July 2024 (UTC) reply

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• Weak keep – same as my argument for Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Henry Long (speedway rider) thathe was one of the title clinching finalist of a world championship event, thus he should be able to pass WP:NMOTORSPORT. WP:ATD will be to draftify for expansion. SpacedFarmer ( talk) 16:06, 26 July 2024 (UTC) reply
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Fails WP:SPORTSCRIT. Only primary sources provided. LibStar ( talk) 12:02, 26 July 2024 (UTC) reply

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Per WP:DEL#8: Doesn't meet GNG, WP:NSPORTS or WP:NMOTORSPORT. Nobody ( talk) 07:35, 26 July 2024 (UTC) reply

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hi. how can we edit this to meet requirements? Thanks Zach David ( talk) 15:12, 26 July 2024 (UTC) reply

• Delete clearly non-notable, and obvious conflict of interest doesn't help. ~~ AirshipJungleman29 ( talk) 16:56, 26 July 2024 (UTC) reply

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Fails WP:SPORTSCRIT, only primary sources provided. Nothing found when searching ["Mark Carlson" speedway] LibStar ( talk) 03:14, 26 July 2024 (UTC) reply

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• Delete – WP:NOTDATABASE, sources are available but all primary or database entries. No claim of notability. 5225_C ( talk •  contributions) 06:56, 26 July 2024 (UTC) reply

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Fails WP:SPORTSCRIT, only primary sources provided. Nothing found when searching ["Henry Long " speedway] LibStar ( talk) 03:11, 26 July 2024 (UTC) reply

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• Weak keep for that he was one of the title clinching finalist of a world championship event, thus he should be able to pass WP:NMOTORSPORT. WP:ATD will be to draftify for expansion. SpacedFarmer ( talk) 16:02, 26 July 2024 (UTC) reply
  • That isn't a criteria of WP:NMOTORSPORT? 5225_C ( talk •  contributions) 03:46, 27 July 2024 (UTC) reply

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Article fails WP:GNG. Simione001 ( talk) 02:58, 26 July 2024 (UTC) reply

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• If he has played for the North Korean national team at the Asian Games, he does appear to be notable enough. 93.117.220.196 ( talk) 10:59, 26 July 2024 (UTC) reply

  The article has been nominated for deletion on the basis that it fails WP:GNG. This does not relate to appearances for the national team. Simione001 ( talk) 13:42, 26 July 2024 (UTC) reply

  According to WP:FOOTYN, "players are deemed notable if they (...) Have played FIFA recognised senior international football". This covers playing for the national team of North Korea. 93.117.220.196 ( talk) 15:11, 26 July 2024 (UTC) reply

FOOTYN itself states The player section of this notability guidance has been superseded by WP:Notability (sports), and is included below for information only as a record of the previous guidance that the Footy project came up with. The correct guideline is WP:SPORTCRIT, which makes no mention of playing for a national football team. Spiderone ^{(Talk to Spider)} 16:50, 26 July 2024 (UTC) reply

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• Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found which show significant coverage please ping me. Giant Snowman 17:58, 26 July 2024 (UTC) reply

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Article fails WP:GNG. Redirect to 1966 World Cup team. Simione001 ( talk) 02:55, 26 July 2024 (UTC) reply

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• Strong Delete – Corresponding article on Korean Wikipedia is an unsourced stub. ⋆｡˚꒰ঌ Clara A. Djalim ໒꒱˚｡⋆ 17:44, 26 July 2024 (UTC) reply
• Redirect to 1966 FIFA World Cup squads#North Korea. Giant Snowman 17:59, 26 July 2024 (UTC) reply

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Article fails WP:GNG. Simione001 ( talk) 02:53, 26 July 2024 (UTC) reply

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Equestrian who does not satisfy sports notability. There are two references. The first one is a database entry, and database entries do not establish sports notability. The second is an obituary, which may count toward general notability but is the only significant source. He competed in the Olympics, but does not have Olympic notability because he did not receive a medal.

Reference Number	Reference	Comments	Independent	Significant	Reliable	Secondary
1	https://www.sports-reference.com/olympics/athletes/ma/marek-malecki-1.html	A Wayback Machine copy of a database entry of sports statistics	Yes	No	Yes	No
2	hejnakon.pl	Obituary in Polish equestrian magazine.	Yes	Yes	Yes	Yes

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• Draftify as nominator, to allow six months to find better coverage. Robert McClenon ( talk) 01:07, 26 July 2024 (UTC) reply
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I was not able to find WP:SIGCOV sources for this footballer. The best I could find was this. Geschichte ( talk) 14:46, 25 July 2024 (UTC) reply

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• Delete – Fails in WP:GNG. Svartner ( talk) 23:06, 25 July 2024 (UTC) reply
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• Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found which show significant coverage please ping me. Giant Snowman 17:57, 26 July 2024 (UTC) reply

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With only primary sources listed, the article of this men's footballer clearly fails WP:GNG. He played nine minutes at the highest domestic league before being sent on loan to second tier then disappeared. Using the keyword "Oliver Burian", search engines mostly find other men of the same name than this footballer, failing WP:V too. My searches showed nothing better than match reports and passing mentions in online newspapers. ⋆｡˚꒰ঌ Clara A. Djalim ໒꒱˚｡⋆ 12:39, 25 July 2024 (UTC) reply

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• Delete, no basis for an encyclopedic article. Geschichte ( talk) 14:30, 25 July 2024 (UTC) reply
• Delete, seems that he hasn't disappeared completely, but moved to the third, and now, fourth tier of Slovak football (non-league). At that level there is no chance of new significant coverage, and agree that anything existing is far below the required standard. C 679 15:12, 25 July 2024 (UTC) reply
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• Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found which show significant coverage please ping me. Giant Snowman 17:57, 26 July 2024 (UTC) reply

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Does not meet WP:SPORTSCRIT, Sports biographies must include at least one reference to a source providing significant coverage of the subject, excluding database sources. Searching only uncovers further database sources and a very limited number of primary sources. C 679 12:09, 25 July 2024 (UTC) reply

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• Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found which show significant coverage please ping me. Giant Snowman 17:05, 25 July 2024 (UTC) reply
• Comment – The player actually had a modest career, but there are some sources in the local media [35], [36], [37]. Is at the limit of WP:GNG in my opinion. Svartner ( talk) 23:05, 25 July 2024 (UTC) reply

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Not notable sportsperson without notable sporting achievements. Sources only refer to sports results. Searching the internet for "Jaroslav Volf" shows other people with the same name. Same case as the recently nominated Bedřich Slaný. FromCzech ( talk) 05:56, 25 July 2024 (UTC) reply

• Keep: Clearly notable because he competed in the final of the Speedway World Cup, the sport's pinnacle AND reached the final of the Speedway individual world championship. Pyeongchang ( talk) 08:43, 25 July 2024 (UTC) — Note to closing admin: Pyeongchang ( talk • contribs) is the creator of the page that is the subject of this AfD. reply

  The sport's pinnacle are the Olympic Games and athletes do not meet the condition of notability just by participating in them. If you say 'keep' you have to objectively demonstrate notability according to WP:GNG and WP:NMOTORSPORT. FromCzech ( talk) 09:11, 25 July 2024 (UTC) reply

• Note: The Olympic Games are not the sports pinnacle, there is no speedway at the Olympic Games as is the case for numerous other sports. For information the pinnacle of speedway is the World Individual championships (now called the Grand Prix) and the World Cup. I have since added additional references from books and Newspaper Archive. Pyeongchang ( talk) 09:22, 25 July 2024 (UTC) reply
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• Delete – Unimpressed by the sources available. Routine recaps of events in local papers are not significant coverage of the individual. There is no attempt to claim significance in the article. Wikipedia is not a database ( WP:NOTDATABASE). 5225_C ( talk •  contributions) 07:04, 26 July 2024 (UTC) reply
• Delete Fails WP:SPORTSCRIT. The non speedway sources do not appear in depth. LibStar ( talk) 12:19, 26 July 2024 (UTC) reply
• Weak keep for that he was one of the title clinching finalist of a world championship event. WP:ATD will be to draftify for expansion. I agree with Pyeongchang's statement that it is the pinnacle of speedway. SpacedFarmer ( talk) 16:13, 26 July 2024 (UTC) reply
• Delete. Fails GNG and in particular SPORTCRIT. Accomplishments carry zero weight so !votes to keep based on appearing in a championship should be discounted. JoelleJay ( talk) 02:46, 27 July 2024 (UTC) reply

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This player has not played at the international level, nor in a fully professional league. فيصل ( talk) 06:07, 25 July 2024 (UTC) reply

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• Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found which show significant coverage please ping me. Giant Snowman 17:05, 25 July 2024 (UTC) reply
• Delete – Even the basic information is incomplete. Svartner ( talk) 23:08, 25 July 2024 (UTC) reply

Karel Průša (  | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – ( View AfD | edits since nomination)

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Not notable sportsperson without notable sporting achievements. Sources refer to sports results except for one, which is an interview with the person concerned. Searching the internet for "Karel Průša" shows other people with the same name. Same case as the recently nominated Bedřich Slaný. FromCzech ( talk) 06:03, 25 July 2024 (UTC) reply

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• Keep: Clearly notable because he competed in the final of the Speedway World Cup, the sport's pinnacle. Pyeongchang ( talk) 08:44, 25 July 2024 (UTC) — Note to closing admin: Pyeongchang ( talk • contribs) is the creator of the page that is the subject of this AfD. reply

  The sport's pinnacle are the Olympic Games and athletes do not meet the condition of notability just by participating in them. If you say 'keep' you have to objectively demonstrate notability according to WP:GNG and WP:NMOTORSPORT. FromCzech ( talk) 09:10, 25 July 2024 (UTC) reply

• Note: The Olympic Games are not the sports pinnacle, there is no speedway at the Olympic Games as is the case for numerous other sports. For information the pinnacle of speedway is the World Individual championships (now called the Grand Prix) and the World Cup. I have since added additional references from books and Newspaper Archive. Pyeongchang ( talk) 09:19, 25 July 2024 (UTC) reply
• Keep for that he was one of the title clinching finalist of a world championship event. WP:ATD will be to draftify for expansion. I agree with Pyeongchang's statement that it is the pinnacle of speedway. SpacedFarmer ( talk) 16:15, 26 July 2024 (UTC) reply
• Draftify. Competing or even winning at the pinnacle of a sport, whether Grand Prix or Olympics, is not a valid inclusion criterion. SPORTCRIT requires GNG be met and for a GNG-contributing source to be cited in the article. If the "Speedway A-Z" source is not SPS then that would probably satisfy SPORTCRIT, but multiple sources are needed for GNG. JoelleJay ( talk) 03:04, 27 July 2024 (UTC) reply

Bedřich Slaný (  | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – ( View AfD | edits since nomination)

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Not notable sportsperson without notable sporting achievements. Sources only refer to passing mentions and sports results. Searching the internet for "Bedřich Slaný" shows other people with the same name. FromCzech ( talk) 05:35, 25 July 2024 (UTC) reply

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• Comment: The Czech version cs:Bedřich Slaný of the article says (without a reference) that he died on 11 October 1980. Perhaps a news article about him or an obituary in a reliable source was published shortly after his death. Someone with access to Czechoslovak news media from 1980 might want to search for references from October 1980. The Wikipedia Library would also be worth searching. If you find one or more useful references, please add them to the Czech version cs:Bedřich Slaný as well., Eastmain ( talk • contribs) 06:21, 25 July 2024 (UTC) reply
• Keep: Clearly notable because he competed in the final of the Speedway World Cup, the sport's pinnacle. Pyeongchang ( talk) 08:41, 25 July 2024 (UTC) — Note to closing admin: Pyeongchang ( talk • contribs) is the creator of the page that is the subject of this AfD. reply

  The sport's pinnacle are the Olympic Games and athletes do not meet the condition of notability just by participating in them. If you say 'keep' you have to objectively demonstrate notability according to WP:GNG and WP:NMOTORSPORT. FromCzech ( talk) 09:09, 25 July 2024 (UTC) reply

• Note: The Olympic Games are not the sports pinnacle, there is no speedway at the Olympic Games as is the case for numerous other sports. For information the pinnacle of speedway is the World Individual championships (now called the Grand Prix) and the World Cup. I have since added additional references from books and Newspaper Archive. Pyeongchang ( talk) 09:22, 25 July 2024 (UTC) reply

  Of course, I meant in general that if for Olympic sports the participation of an athlete in the Olympics is not a criterion of notability, the participation of a speedway racer in the Speedway World Cup is also not a criterion of notability. The sources you have added here and elsewhere do not demonstrate notability according to Wikipedia criteria.

  Redirect to 1962 Speedway World Team Cup may be an alternative to deletion. FromCzech ( talk) 09:40, 25 July 2024 (UTC) reply

• Redirect, we do not have sources demonstrating GNG is met, only passing mentions. JoelleJay ( talk) 23:40, 25 July 2024 (UTC) reply
• Weak keep for that he was one of the title clinching finalist of a world championship event. WP:ATD will be to draftify for expansion. I agree with Pyeongchang's statement that it is the pinnacle of speedway. SpacedFarmer ( talk) 16:16, 26 July 2024 (UTC) reply
  • This is not a valid notability criterion. NSPORT requires GNG be met. JoelleJay ( talk) 03:05, 27 July 2024 (UTC) reply
  • "title clinching finalist of a world championship event" does not appear in WP:NMOTORSPORT as an accomplishment which leads to a presumption of notability. 5225_C ( talk •  contributions) 03:43, 27 July 2024 (UTC) reply

McCall Salmon (  | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – ( View AfD | edits since nomination)

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Subject lacks the needed reliable coverage from independent sources to meet the WP:GNG as a BLP. The sources currently in the article are either school websites or student newspapers, neither of which are independent. A check for coverage elsewhere didn't reveal anything more. Let'srun ( talk) 00:14, 25 July 2024 (UTC) reply

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• Delete: no independent sources and none found online '''[[ User:CanonNi]]''' ( talk • contribs) 05:07, 25 July 2024 (UTC) reply

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After extensive searching for WP:SIGCOV in multiple newspaper archives, I believe the subject lacks the coverage needed to meet the WP:GNG. This obit [ [38]] is rather short and doesn't make mention of his NFL career. Besides the obit, there are some passing/routine mentions like [ [39]], [ [40]], [ [41]] and [ [42]] but from what I see it is all trivial. While the subject played 16 NFL games, they took place in the early years of the league when the popularity of the league was nowhere near what it is today. I don't see a clear WP:ATD here but am open to the possibility. Let'srun ( talk) 00:08, 25 July 2024 (UTC) reply

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I am unable to find enough coverage of this American soccer player to meet WP:GNG. All I came across was this blog post and a few sentences here. JTtheOG ( talk) 20:08, 24 July 2024 (UTC) reply

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• Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found which show significant coverage please ping me. Giant Snowman 17:04, 25 July 2024 (UTC) reply

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Subject does not meet the WP:GNG due to a lack of WP:SIGCOV. Could be redirected to List of United States men's international soccer players as a WP:ATD. Let'srun ( talk) 19:58, 24 July 2024 (UTC) reply

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• Redirect to List of United States men's international soccer players as ATD. Giant Snowman 17:04, 25 July 2024 (UTC) reply

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I am unable to find enough coverage of this American soccer player to meet WP:GNG. A few sentences here, a pair of sentences here, but nothing significant. JTtheOG ( talk) 04:00, 24 July 2024 (UTC) reply

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• Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found which show significant coverage please ping me. Giant Snowman 18:20, 24 July 2024 (UTC) reply
• Delete: Don't see enough WP:SIGCOV to meet the WP:GNG. Let'srun ( talk) 15:41, 27 July 2024 (UTC) reply

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Article fails WP:GNG. Simione001 ( talk) 02:02, 24 July 2024 (UTC) reply

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• Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found which show significant coverage please ping me. Giant Snowman 18:20, 24 July 2024 (UTC) reply

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I am unable to find enough independent coverage of this American soccer player to meet WP:GNG. The closest to WP:SIGCOV I found was this interview. JTtheOG ( talk) 01:29, 24 July 2024 (UTC) reply

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• Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found which show significant coverage please ping me. Giant Snowman 18:20, 24 July 2024 (UTC) reply
• Delete: Not finding the needed WP:SIGCOV to meet the WP:GNG here. Let'srun ( talk) 01:42, 26 July 2024 (UTC) reply

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Article fails WP:GNG. Simione001 ( talk) 01:12, 24 July 2024 (UTC) reply

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• Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found which show significant coverage please ping me. Giant Snowman 18:19, 24 July 2024 (UTC) reply
• Redirect - to 2015 AFC Asian Cup squads#North Korea. Lâm ( talk) 08:39, 25 July 2024 (UTC) reply

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Fails the figure skating notability guidelines. Competed, but did not medal at the World Junior Figure Skating Championships. Astaire ( talk) 23:19, 23 July 2024 (UTC) reply

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• Delete: Unable to find the requisite WP:SIGCOV to meet the WP:GNG for this BLP. Let'srun ( talk) 23:42, 23 July 2024 (UTC) reply
• Delete. Fails WP:NSKATE. PROD was previously removed without explanation. Bgsu98 (Talk) 23:46, 23 July 2024 (UTC) reply
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Subject does not meet the WP:GNG due to a lack of WP:SIGCOV. The best source I could find is [ [43]] which only covers the subject for a few sentences. Let'srun ( talk) 21:48, 23 July 2024 (UTC) reply

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• Delete. No WP:SIGCOV to prove notability. Prof.PMarini ( talk) 23:42, 23 July 2024 (UTC) reply
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• Redirect to List of United States men's international soccer players as possible search term. Giant Snowman 18:21, 24 July 2024 (UTC) reply

  No issues with a redirect. Let'srun ( talk) 18:51, 24 July 2024 (UTC) reply

• Redirect as above. C 679 10:33, 25 July 2024 (UTC) reply

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Fails GNG. A search in the archives found no SIGCOV just mentions in match reports. Dougal18 ( talk) 13:56, 23 July 2024 (UTC) reply

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• Delete: Found a few interviews ( 1, 2), but nothing approaching WP:SIGCOV. JTtheOG ( talk) 06:31, 24 July 2024 (UTC) reply
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• Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found which show significant coverage please ping me. Giant Snowman 18:19, 24 July 2024 (UTC) reply
• Lean towards Keep Per sources above, plus [44], [45], [46], [47], [48], [49], [50], And he has played way over 100 professional football league games in Scotland. I don't get why you want to delete such an article on professional Scottish footballer. @ GiantSnowman: Take your pick on sources, there are loads more tabloid articles on the guy. That's just my five minutes of looking. And I bet there are OFFLINE also! :/ Govvy ( talk) 21:51, 24 July 2024 (UTC) reply
  • Comment You have linked to 7 sources. The first 6 are namedrops that do not provide SIGCOV of Meggatt. The seventh is from the Scottish Sun which is an unreliable source. NFOOTBALL is no more so stop making the appearances argument. Dougal18 ( talk) 08:42, 25 July 2024 (UTC) reply

    Agree with Dougal I'm afraid - none of these are SIGCOV, and the Sun is trash. Giant Snowman 16:24, 25 July 2024 (UTC) reply

    • I don't know why you guys don't do the research or look for sources. Dougal18 has absolutely no interest in constructing wikipedia articles from my point of view. He constantly wants to delete what I call decent articles. Like I said above that's what I found in five minutes yesterday, yes the article is heavy on primary sources and sport stat sources. I provided an assortment of some basic secondary to back the primary sources up, (that's why I said lean towards keep I didn't say straight out keep.) But that doesn't negative anything, I never mentioned NFOOTBALL either, I go by WP:BASIC, and so many many people seem to ignore you can have a build on secondary sources. Take one of Scotlands newspaper websites go enter his name and see what you find. For instance, The Scottish Herald, how many results are there. A non notable person wouldn't have that many results for his name. People go on about it's always routine coverage! But all football is pretty much routine now, it's a paradoxical sport, routine coverage is not a bad thing and the more the better. SIGCOV pfft, you don't need to follow so blindly a policy and yes it's a policy it's not a rule of state. Apart from JTtheOG no one else provided sources, I've done just that and yet you want to persecute my findings. That really is pathetic and bias towards deletion without a true peer review. Govvy ( talk) 09:49, 26 July 2024 (UTC) reply

• Delete. Nowhere close to SIGCOV. JoelleJay ( talk) 20:47, 25 July 2024 (UTC) reply

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I am unable to find enough coverage of this American soccer player to meet WP:GNG or WP:SPORTCRIT. The most I found were a few sentences of coverage here. JTtheOG ( talk) 22:12, 22 July 2024 (UTC) reply

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• Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found which show significant coverage please ping me. Giant Snowman 18:19, 24 July 2024 (UTC) reply
• Delete: All that appears to be here is routine game coverage, with nothing that can be considered WP:SIGCOV. Let'srun ( talk) 11:56, 25 July 2024 (UTC) reply

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I am unable to find sufficient coverage of this American soccer player to meet WP:GNG or WP:SPORTCRIT. JTtheOG ( talk) 20:40, 22 July 2024 (UTC) reply

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• Delete: Brief ESPN bio [51] and routine transfer mentions [52], neither of which are useful for notability here. Sourcing in the article is of the same quality, non-helpful. Oaktree b ( talk) 21:30, 22 July 2024 (UTC) reply
• Delete: Nothing is here besides routine transactional info, with a failure of the WP:GNG. Let'srun ( talk) 00:01, 24 July 2024 (UTC) reply
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Does not meet WP:SPORTSCRIT, Sports biographies must include at least one reference to a source providing significant coverage of the subject, excluding database sources. Google search on the name brought back nothing other than database sources. Soccerway link on the page with the corresponding DoB confirms he played one season in the Portuguese third tier in 2013-14. C 679 11:52, 22 July 2024 (UTC) reply

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Delete - per nominator, clearly it does not satisfy WP:SPORTSCRIT Warm Regards, Miminity ( talk) ( contribs) 12:02, 22 July 2024 (UTC) reply

• Delete indeed missing the WP:SIGCOV for WP:GNG. (To complete what nom said there are also user-generated sources next to the database references, even though that doesn't change anything). — Alien333 ( what I did & why I did it wrong) 14:27, 22 July 2024 (UTC) reply
• Redirect to CD Operário#Notable players. I found no indication that he meets WP:SIGCOV. Tau Corvi ( talk) 16:44, 22 July 2024 (UTC) reply
• Delete – Per lack of WP:V. Svartner ( talk) 04:52, 24 July 2024 (UTC) reply
• Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found which show significant coverage please ping me. Giant Snowman 18:12, 24 July 2024 (UTC) reply

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Article fails WP:GNG. Simione001 ( talk) 22:09, 21 July 2024 (UTC) reply

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• Delete: Doesn't seem to pass WP:SPORTCRIT—I only see database sources, no significant coverage. Bsoyka ( t • c • g) 22:43, 21 July 2024 (UTC) reply
• Delete – The Chinese article doesn't provide any significant coverage of him despite being longer. ⋆｡˚꒰ঌ Clara A. Djalim ໒꒱˚｡⋆ 12:46, 22 July 2024 (UTC) reply
• Delete. No significant coverage and fails WP:GNG. Prof.PMarini ( talk) 13:02, 22 July 2024 (UTC) reply
• Delete not notable -- Loewstisch ( talk) 11:32, 23 July 2024 (UTC) reply
• Delete – Per total lack of WP:V. Svartner ( talk) 04:51, 24 July 2024 (UTC) reply
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• Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found which show significant coverage please ping me. Giant Snowman 18:18, 24 July 2024 (UTC) reply

Michal Klec (  | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – ( View AfD | edits since nomination)

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This Slovak men's footballer played in his country from 2013 until 2016 before moving to lower leagues in the Czech Republic and Poland. Secondary sources analysis from my searches through translation:

• Žilinský Večerník is a blogspot containing an interview with just secondary content in the opening paragraph.
• SME seems to be a decent source mentioning Klec scoring a hat-trick.
• Dnes24 is a transfer announcement of him moving to Třinec on loan.
• Dziennik Polski is another transfer announcement to Puszcza Niepołomice.

In my opinion, none of those sources above actually approach WP:SIGCOV that are required for encyclopedia. I have checked corresponding articles on him in other Wikipedia languages, but all of them likewise provide match reports, primary sources, and database. ⋆｡˚꒰ঌ Clara A. Djalim ໒꒱˚｡⋆ 13:46, 21 July 2024 (UTC) reply

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• Delete. Doesn't look like he meets WP:NSPORT or WP:GNG. I haven't found any reliable RS about him. Tau Corvi ( talk) 20:24, 21 July 2024 (UTC) reply
• Delete. Indeed, there doesn't seem to be enough WP:SIGCOV to meet WP:GNG. Prof.PMarini ( talk) 02:44, 23 July 2024 (UTC) reply
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• Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found which show significant coverage please ping me. Giant Snowman 18:18, 24 July 2024 (UTC) reply

Mélanie Charles (  | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – ( View AfD | edits since nomination)

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Fails WP:SPORTSCRIT. No third party sources. A google news search comes up with a namesake jazz musician who seems more notable. LibStar ( talk) 10:09, 21 July 2024 (UTC) reply

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• Delete: Not notable. Apart from already cited article, nothing comes up. Changeworld1984 ( talk) 11:10, 21 July 2024 (UTC) reply
• Delete. There is only one source listed in the article, and I couldn’t find any others. If you manage to do this, please ping me. Tau Corvi ( talk) 20:34, 21 July 2024 (UTC) reply
• Delete. I agree with the above. Bduke ( talk) 23:32, 21 July 2024 (UTC) reply
• Delete I per nom, above. I couldn't find a sinlge article even mentioning her via a Newsbank database search. Fails GNG. Cabrils ( talk) 00:15, 24 July 2024 (UTC) reply

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could not find secondary sources besides the BoxRec website that's already used as (the only) source LR.127 ( talk) 06:11, 21 July 2024 (UTC) reply

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Delete. I didn't find anything that said passing WP:GNG or WP:NBOX. I also don’t know where the article can be redirected. Tau Corvi ( talk) 20:47, 21 July 2024 (UTC) reply

• Delete: This subject lacks the WP:SIGCOV from multiple independent sources needed to meet the WP:GNG. As the nom notes, the only source is BoxRec and a search failed to uncover any additional sources which could be used to establish notability. Let'srun ( talk) 14:49, 27 July 2024 (UTC) reply

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Fails WP:GNG and WP:SPORTCRIT. Only one source, which is partly a primary source, about him "going back" to amateur football. Only made one cup appearance for Bordeaux as a regular B team player. Paul Vaurie ( talk) 11:52, 20 July 2024 (UTC) reply

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Delete. Doesn't pass WP:SIGCOV. Tau Corvi ( talk) 19:31, 20 July 2024 (UTC) reply

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• Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found which show significant coverage please ping me. Giant Snowman 11:07, 21 July 2024 (UTC) reply

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Although subject may be covered by WP:NCRICKET (Additionally, cricketers who have played at the highest domestic level [...] may have sufficient coverage about them to justify an article, but it should not be assumed to exist without further proof), with a single appearance for a club side more than 20 years ago, there is no indication the subject has received significant coverage to pass the general notability guideline. C 679 10:19, 17 July 2024 (UTC) reply

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• I am also nominating the following related page for the same reason:

Hewage Jayaweera (  | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) C 679 10:21, 17 July 2024 (UTC) reply

• Comment - either one article is the problem or thousands. And if we isolate individual articles - in both English and non-English speaking countries - this does nothing to solve the problem we've landed ourselves in. Bobo . 17:30, 17 July 2024 (UTC) reply

• Delete. I haven't found any WP:SIGCOV confirmation. Tau Corvi ( talk) 15:12, 18 July 2024 (UTC) reply

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Relisting comment: Previous WP:PROD candidate, ineligible for soft deletion.
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Fails WP:SPORTSCRIT. Almost all the sourcing is not third party but speedway related. LibStar ( talk) 01:30, 12 July 2024 (UTC) reply

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Keep. The fact that the sources are related to the speedway does not make them non-independent. Per WP:GNG "Independent of the subject" excludes works produced by the article's subject or someone affiliated with it. These sources could be considered affiliated with him if, for example, he were their owner. I would add a few more secondary sources [54] [55] [56] Tau Corvi ( talk) 22:01, 15 July 2024 (UTC) reply

I have set up a discussion here Wikipedia:Reliable_sources/Noticeboard#Speedway_related_sources. LibStar ( talk) 23:48, 15 July 2024 (UTC) reply

Comment: I saw the RSN discussion first, so I do not plan to vote, but to give my opinion from my limited perspective. Having taken a look at Scunthorpe Scorpions, which looks like two different teams on one article, I can count about five dozen riders that have articles. Of the " Notable riders," most of them use " speedway related sources" in their articles with British Speedway cited between two and three dozen times. (More problematic, but farther outside of the discussion is that at least one article is citing sources that are MREL and GUNREL.)

Overall, the issue over the specific sources is going to have an effect on other articles. If deemed a problem, then there will need to be more AfD discussions in the near future; while if deemed acceptable could lead to additional article creations. I am of the opinion that redirects to the team articles could be more preferred than deletion and that some information might be includable in the various team articles. That said, I am unsure if the sources are a problem on these rider articles. -- Super Goku V ( talk) 06:19, 16 July 2024 (UTC) reply

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Delete per nom. Lacking in WP:SIGCOV. SpacedFarmer ( talk) 20:49, 22 July 2024 (UTC) reply

Delete – Minimal significant coverage, no real claim of notability. 5225_C ( talk •  contributions) 08:09, 23 July 2024 (UTC) reply

• Delete: This BLP lacks the needed WP:SIGCOV to meet the WP:GNG. Let'srun ( talk) 16:32, 25 July 2024 (UTC) reply

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2 of the 3 sources brought up are not independent as discussed in reliable sources. The article subject still fails WP:SPORTSCRIT and WP:BIO. LibStar ( talk) 01:35, 26 July 2024 (UTC) reply