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Only when reading the recent Signpost did I realise your role in creating a good proportion of the current FA content on Psychology. Since that work took place when this barnstar didn't exist, justice requires that...
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Awarded to Fainites in recognition of past and ongoing work improving Wikipedia's Psychology articles to the highest quality. MartinPoulter ( talk) 21:05, 30 August 2010 (UTC) |
Oh wow! Thanks! Though Rudolf Wolters was not psychology. Does this mean you have to make it proportionately smaller? Fainites barley scribs 21:52, 30 August 2010 (UTC)
For the lovely vote :) and for the comment on my stupid poetry :):) Best Wifione ....... Leave a message 19:55, 15 September 2010 (UTC)
Hi. As you recently commented in the straw poll regarding the ongoing usage and trial of Pending changes, this is to notify you that there is an interim straw poll with regard to keeping the tool switched on or switching it off while improvements are worked on and due for release on November 9, 2010. This new poll is only in regard to this issue and sets no precedent for any future usage. Your input on this issue is greatly appreciated. Off2riorob ( talk) 23:33, 20 September 2010 (UTC)
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Fainites, I thank you for the input, and especially the respectful and polite way in which you have imparted it. I will take your words under advisement in the future. Also, regarding my use of the word "lazy", I have issued an apology to Malleus [3]. Once again, I thank you for your polite and respectful advice, -- Cirt ( talk) 07:01, 16 October 2010 (UTC)
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I, -- Cirt ( talk), award The Random Acts of Kindness Barnstar to Fainites, for the polite and kind tone in which you have imparted constructive criticism to me. I really appreciate that. A lot. It meant a lot to me. And I will do my best to learn from your advice in the future. Thank you very much. Yours, -- Cirt ( talk) 17:51, 17 October 2010 (UTC) |
Hi, as this user has not withdrawn their statement telling me to go **** myself at WQA, it might appear to be stirring things up for me to contact them on their talk page, however the current user page User:Rinpoche does not meet the guidelines of User pages unless it is clear that s/he is applying a recognized Dispute resolution process. Could you please take a look and advise me on the best action to take here? Thanks, Fæ ( talk) 07:23, 20 October 2010 (UTC)
User:RankinUberall. Quack quack quack. 75.102.215.59 ( talk) 23:03, 22 October 2010 (UTC)
Hey, I have left a reply on the page for you. Jayy008 ( talk) 23:11, 23 October 2010 (UTC)
As of right now, I've removed/replaced/fixed all but two of the problematic images. The first is
File:The British Empire.png (the infobox image) - "Maps can be copyrighted (see commons:Commons:Image casebook#Maps and satellite images). Unless the maps in those books were not copyrighted (either using public domain maps or creation from data sets), retracing them would be a copyright violation." The second is
File:British Empire 1897.jpg - "Link does not show or help to verify this map was created or published in 1897. Neither does it help to verify {{
PD-old}}
since the cartographer might have created this map at the age of 25 and lived till he was 80 (1952), which would not be 70 years ago." If you can come up with a way to fix those two problems (or find good replacements), then I think all the image issues would be addressed. However, that's assuming the images in the article remain static - I've already
reverted the re-addition of some problematic images. Other than that, I think all the sourcing stuff is already done, so we should be good to go.
Nikkimaria (
talk) 14:55, 24 October 2010 (UTC)
{{
PD-US-1923-abroad}}
.
Nikkimaria (
talk) 19:00, 24 October 2010 (UTC) Edit: I think {{
PD-UK}}
would also apply, and that means the map would be suitable for Commons.
Nikkimaria (
talk) 19:01, 24 October 2010 (UTC)
Great! Is the BOTs image from the same base map as the lead image? Nikkimaria ( talk) 18:47, 29 October 2010 (UTC)
I don't know if there is a rule. But you could ask somebody at Wikiproject:Television. They're always very helpful. What they'll say if use final ratings (I'm guessing). It's just using the average is what's done, and what's always been done. If you say 2.05, it's inaccurate because that's only the first half of the episode, so that needs to be specified when using it. When ratings are calculated, they use the average viewers for the full episode. TVBTN gives you more information for the tv obsessives like myself. Do you want me to ask at the project for you and point you to the discussion when it's done? Jayy008 ( talk) 18:52, 24 October 2010 (UTC)
Yes, Fainites, that is okay. Jappalang ( talk) 22:24, 26 October 2010 (UTC)
Unfortunately for File:British Decolonisation in Africa.png, the base map you suggest traces to File:Commonwealth Realms map.png, which does not provide any sources for how it was made (replication of "free" maps or created from co-ordinate datasets). Jappalang ( talk) 02:12, 28 October 2010 (UTC)
Thank you, for your positive comments about my work, in the deletion discussion for the article Werner Erhard vs. Columbia Broadcasting System at the AFD page Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Werner Erhard vs. Columbia Broadcasting System. Your comments are most appreciated. Thanks again, -- Cirt ( talk) 18:40, 11 November 2010 (UTC)
A party with a COI brought this to WP:BLPN. Thoughts? -- Cirt ( talk) 21:56, 11 November 2010 (UTC)
Hi! Thank you for your comment. Can you show me what division of wikiipedia you are talking about and walk me through the process? Thanks, Carolyn Baker III ( talk) 02:28, 12 November 2010 (UTC)
Dear Fainties:
Thank you for your easy to follow instructions on hot to bust creeps and sockpuppet. So are you like, encouraging me to post a sockpuppet denunciation on Matthew I. Gnash? I totally will if you want me to. All the best, Carolyn Baker III ( talk) 13:49, 12 November 2010 (UTC)
Hi. Thanks for your message. I'm not surprised. Give them enough rope.....etc etc! I was watching to see what "she" did but usually I miss the denouments being on UK time! Best of luck. Fainites barley scribs 12:57, 13 November 2010 (UTC)
Well said ! Bishonen | talk 00:23, 14 November 2010 (UTC).
y did you delete page u fukin nazi do u support nazi peoples? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 174.59.68.58 ( talk) 22:08, 27 November 2010 (UTC)
Why do u continue to remove relevant and appropriately sourced material? Isn't that considered bad faith and an edit war??? 206.217.67.66 ( talk) 03:14, 28 November 2010 (UTC)
Thanks for the input and the welcome links!
I did not remove any content though, simply changed some locations to make the article better readable. Most important I moved the part about assesment to a section of it's own, and wrote a small part about the difference between tests and questionnaires and DIF. —Preceding unsigned comment added by MethAdvice2010 ( talk • contribs) 00:27, 2 December 2010 (UTC)
Howdy Fainites. The name you're speaking of is TharkunColl. GoodDay ( talk) 10:28, 6 December 2010 (UTC)
The first time, you had it ThurkinColl. GoodDay ( talk) 10:45, 6 December 2010 (UTC)
I have Iran-Iraq War on my watch-list, and I noticed that you are removing parties that were associated with Iraq during the war, calling it "controversial" additions that need to be discussed, yet you don't seem bothered about the same type of entries under Iran's side. This seems like a selective POV interpretation of what is and what is not OK. This would be normal if you were acting as just another editor. But that doesn't seem to be your capacity on that page, as you have used your administrative powers to block one of the parties involved in this dispute. Please clarify what your role on that page is, as an administrator can not be involved in in a content dispute , and at the same time, threaten/block the other parties involved. Kurdo777 ( talk) 23:50, 6 December 2010 (UTC)
I am not involved in the content dispute. I blocked Scythian77 for abusive edit summaries, (calling other editors "racist") edit warring and stonewalling attempts to resolve disputes on the talkpage. as can be seen from the block summary. He called other editors "racist" more than once. I have no idea whether he is right or not about the content but no doubt if he is right he could produce sources to say so. Very shortly afterwards IPs started making the same edits. On the not unreasonable assumption that it might be related I removed those edits with the advice to discuss it on the talkpage. This was not done at the time. If you say there is more edit warring/abuse/disruptive editing going on there now by all means take it to ANI so it can be looked at. Believe me, Kurdo, I hold no brief for either side. If you say properly sourced information is being kept out and improperly sourced information is being kept in, I would be happy to look at the situation if the relevent sources are clearly set out on the talkpage but I am unlikely to have the sources available to me unless they are on the internet. Fainites barley scribs 12:05, 7 December 2010 (UTC)
Hi Fainites, I just spotted a comment of yours in the atheist/agnostic discussion at BLPN which I missed at the time. You were referring to the EB definition of atheists:
Note that the same Britannica page also provides a definition for nonreligious/agnostic, a category which includes nonbelievers:
So they make a subtle distinction between disbelief and nonbelief, seeing the former as a more definite stance on the issue than disinterest. I would have mentioned that at the time had I seen your comment. Best, -- JN 466 17:21, 8 December 2010 (UTC)
Can you find the last SPI report related to PranakanLegion's edits? -- Ronz ( talk) 16:30, 11 December 2010 (UTC)
To clear any confusion, I had an edit conflict with you at Attachment-based therapy (children) that wasn't flagged. Makes for a confusing edit summary when you got your edit in there before mine without my knowledge. -- Ronz ( talk) 16:34, 11 December 2010 (UTC)
Filing a SPI report was probably the best step to take, given the extent of the past problems. -- Ronz ( talk) 17:26, 13 December 2010 (UTC)
I don't know if you've been keeping an eye on Eickman's talk page since you blocked him, but the personal attacks have kept on going.
St Anselm ( talk) 05:58, 14 December 2010 (UTC)
Thanks for your help with this. I appreciate the time you spent. What frustrates me is that there's typically only ever one editor interested in any given situation, so you had to take the load and it could only be dealt with as fast as you were able. Most admins just don't seem to bother with disruptive editors because it's too much hard work.-- Taiwan boi ( talk) 01:18, 19 December 2010 (UTC)
I have no objection to a discussion with the editor in question. I just want to make sure that he understands that he cannot add his own opinions or interpretations to articles. --- RepublicanJacobite The'FortyFive' 01:21, 30 December 2010 (UTC)
I just wanted to thank you. I was thinking to leave a much wider explanation on the ANI report page, but then I saw that it was quite long. However, I do feel that it could be benefitial, and I would like to have it exposed somewhere, so I honestly hope you want mind I post it here. This was my report:
"Regarding the issue itself, I would like to stress out, just for the future record, the following: here on WP there are two kinds of NPOV editors, the ones that edit too positively, and the ones that edit too negatively. Let me please explain myself, and the reason why do I find the second one much more offensive. This user has donne an incredible effort to, beside glorifying his "side", completely carnish the other. The method used is to massively edit all related articles, following by an intense protection of the same, reaching or being very close to the breaking of the WP:OWN policy. This user could favour "his side", but what is being prejuditial here is that beside that, he is preventing any attempt made by other users to "defend" the "other side" in any way, reverting all positive edits to the other side (even if well sourced). Besides that, he takes enormous advantage because the issue has not receved much interess lately, and the few editors mostly without much experience (or non at all) are promtly and severely reverted by this user and ridiculously accused of suckpoppetry (not even one suckpuppet has existed on this lately). Going to the exemples from articles, the "nazyfication" of the Yugoslav monarchic movement and their leader has been massively donne by the user, beside being very clear to all that the movement has been the allied of US, Britain and France troughout most of the war, the exception being the final year and because the other side was being more effective and had the support of the Soviets ending to win the war. So, this user, beside most of the content in the articles being highly NPOV and edited by him, should be quite "happy" in having the monarchists listed in the Axis side, but further, he is blocking any attempt to list them in the "Allied" side as well! Despite being they a "resistance" movement, having been officially allies for most of the time in the war, having receved directives from London, and beside the high condecorations that Mihailovic receved for his efforts in the struggle against the Axis, most even post-mortum, meaning that were unninfluenced by the events in the war. This obviously is making many people to be quite shocked when finding this in WP articles, and most of them end up being roughly reverted and treatened, giving up, wrongly thinking that this must be some "purpously politically" oriented move that WP supports. So, the inclusion of the movement and Mihailovic in the "Axis" section is already hard to accept, but their exclusion from the "Allied" section is very serious disruption. Further, when the user is confronted, he promtly uses provocation, and purpously tries to make all look some "Balkan nationalism" while the only one "Balkanically" behaving here is himself. Instead of appreciating an automatic neutral approach that most of this users had used (including myself) by leaving the movement and their leader in both sides (because the issue is actually controversial), this user reverts all that doesn´t include the nazyfication of them. Even in the mediation itself, the collaboration donne by the movement has been described as occasional and oportunistic, and this clearly users knows this but chooses to ignore it. That occasional and oportunistic collaboration has given him the "right" to include them in the Axis side, but the nature of the movement, the fact that they were the recognised allies for most of the war, and all high condecorations doesn´t allow them to be in the Allied side"? The move request can demonstrate this as well, because he wants to rename a "wide range" article (Yugoslav Front), to the name of the struggle that only "his side" addopted during the war this way preventing any editing of anything alse but his rethoric. Please see the number of times this user has had problems before, the number of reverts that he has donne in that and other related articles, and the nature of them, and everything will be easily clear. I apologise for the long comment but I´m feeling that the situation here is perhaps hard to understand when not involved in it, and some explanation can be helpfull."
I apologise for leaving this entire explanation here, but I am having much trouble of dealing with this behavior, and it has been a serios problem in all related articles because is making many users just give up on editing on this, and that ends up being very prejuditial, and leaves all this articles with only one POV rethoric. FkpCascais ( talk) 02:12, 9 January 2011 (UTC)
Fainites, since Fkp seems intent on editing the article (and you may rest assured the edits will undoubtedly be disputed), I would like to repeat my request that the article be restored and protected for the time being until the RM is concluded. Would you consider this? The article is only stable at this time due to good will on my part. I admit I strognly feel that neither should good will be exploited, nor edit-warring be rewarded thusly as a means of pushing through changes in an article. -- DIREKTOR ( TALK) 11:39, 10 January 2011 (UTC)
I apologise to expose the issue here, but I need admin advice. Following your guidance, I made 3 proposals on how to make the infobox more correct. My first question is if you don´t mind my approach and possibly support me on this at least to put it on vote. The second question has to do with the ignorance I´m receving regarding my proposals (participants are present but ignoring the vote and distracting with other, not so urgent issues), and I am suspecting that the ignoring of them is done on bad-faith. I´m only asking for a simple yes or no answer for each and a reasoning for the oposition, if existing. Could you please support me on this by asking the intervenients to at least respect my efforts and answer to me? FkpCascais ( talk) 18:35, 11 January 2011 (UTC)
FYI, the idea of renaming/returning the article to Yugoslavia in World War II has been presented as a third option at the the move discussion for Yugoslav Front.-- Labattblueboy ( talk) 14:31, 12 January 2011 (UTC)
Concerning my comment on GiovBag's talk page, I sustain my thinking on the matter. If I have violated some WP's policy, do what you consider it is proper to do in such a case. On the vandalism on both his user and talk pages, I think it is quite inadeccuate but I don't know who might have done it. He probably annoyed someone else with his edits in some of the articles on White people.-- Pablozeta ( talk) 15:53, 12 January 2011 (UTC)
Regarding your revdel on that article, the single revdel was not enough as the name was not removed until later edits. You need to revdel all edits up to the point where the content was removed. -- Gogo Dodo ( talk) 23:51, 12 January 2011 (UTC)
Faintes, I think that after a year of inane nonsense its high time someone finally explained to fkp that his own personal disagreement is not alone something that should influence discussions. This absurdity has to come to an end sometime. The way the ridiculous, year-long mediation has been (mis)handled is this: unless both sides agree, we can't move on. This unbelievable method has enabled Fkp to simply ignore any and all sources - by simply disagreeing :). The whole thing should have been over after a week. A metric TON of sources stands now listed in the mediation describing in full the MASSIVE extent of the Serbian Chetnik collaboration - yet a couple of Serbian users have been (amazingly) allowed to essentially make a mockery of WP:V and ignore sources at will. The stupidity behind this is staggering, and is the primary reason for my short fuse on this talkpage. Instead of determining the WP:NPOV on the basis of actual sources, the inane personal views of involved users were taken into account.
To put it simply: if the sources say the chetniks collaborated - the Chetniks collaborated. Call me arrogant, but my powers of diplomacy have long been expended in this matter: Fkp is dead wrong, I am right. He "personally disagrees" with the sources, he "refuses to agree"? All I can do is play a sombre tune for him on the world's smallest violin. :). -- DIREKTOR ( TALK) 15:23, 15 January 2011 (UTC)
Hope I'm not nagging, but if you'll notice the article has not only been sporting the sock's version all this time, but is also continuously being edited by the SPA. Now, while I'm sure the SPA could not care less about a block or 3RR (those being the benefits of sockpuppeteering), this should not be used as a tool for pushing edits through. I could edit war now, and of course get blocked, if that's what it will take to protect the article, but I'm kind of hoping that won't be necessary to help you enforce an end to edit-pushing and restore the sourced version. :) -- DIREKTOR ( TALK) 17:32, 15 January 2011 (UTC)
Fainites, the inter-wiki links you restored are wrong and they were purpously done on behalve of direktor just to demonstrate a point and to support the move request. FkpCascais ( talk) 12:06, 16 January 2011 (UTC) P.S.: Direktor, he never deniyed he was a sock because probably he doesn´t even know what that is. Want to bet how he isn´t? And, when was the last sock that ever appeared on these articles? Was it ever from a Serbian user? FkpCascais ( talk) 12:09, 16 January 2011 (UTC) Fainites, how was that user blocked for a week because he reverted direktor, that was actually the one that reverted several editors, non of them actually edit-warring? Fainites, you already wrongly reverted me once, now you protected wrong information insisted only by direktor. Please explain yourself. FkpCascais ( talk) 12:17, 16 January 2011 (UTC)
To take you to ANI I need to clarify things here first, and I am giving you a chance to rectify you eventual error. When I asked you to be clear regarding User:Слободни умјетник´s edit-warring you responded me by including all his reverts on that article, which includes four reverts he made until 8th January and for which he has been blocked by you already on that day. Now, as all we know, nobody can be blocked twice for same reasons, and I knew that, so that is why I asked you which exact edit-warring was the one that made him being awarded with another (this time much heavier, one week) block? The last one? P.S.: We are talking about the sources on articles talk page, so please leave this conversation free of article content subject, so we don´t unecessarily double the same conversation. FkpCascais ( talk) 10:41, 17 January 2011 (UTC)
Fkp - he made the same edit to the infobox, having already been blocked once for edit warring. Right in the middle of the ongoing discussion! Fainites barley scribs 11:46, 17 January 2011 (UTC)
Yes Fainites, direktor reverted all other users as well. And, no, C didn´t edit-warred this time, he only reverted direktor, who actually started edit-warring again, just as he continuosly does in other related articles, as here where he even ignores a recomendation of yours, and names a user "sock" knowing that he can´t do it until confirming it. FkpCascais ( talk) 12:35, 17 January 2011 (UTC)
I have already provided you many times diffs and other comlains regarding disruptive behavior by direktor, but strangly you never "gett it", but no problem, I will again. Слободни умјетник has donne only 2 edits in the article after the block he receved from you: the first one where he didn´t edited the infobox, but only corrected the Serbian language version in the other languages section, and the second one where he did not edited the infobox, as you conveniently and wrongly want to show, but has just reverted the reverting of several users done by direktor in the previos edit, as seen in the same diff. Anyway, if you consider this two edits worth a one week blocking of the user, how is that you don´t consider worth blocking direktor´s behavior? I´ll number all complains I donne to you regarding direktor: you fogive him all edit warring done on January 8th, as seen in article´s edit history, thus, he was not carefull and he reverted 4 users and one bot in this edit, following another revert (clear edit-warring) just next! Adding to this, an edit war he made on a related template against, again, several other users with this reverting (joining ethnical prejudice comment with it, plus a much more serios phalse acusation of "socking" totaly ignoring your previos advice regarding the sock issue provided by you to him here), followed by more edit-warring. If we join all this to several acusations of ethnical nature provided by direktor on the discussions taking place on Talk:Yugoslav Front that I asked several times to be stoped that you allways ignored, plus clear CANVASSING that he made [10], well, how is that you find direktors behavior forgivable and worth ignoring, while you had used your administrative tools in a severe way against User:Слободни умјетник for a reason I still can´t see? FkpCascais ( talk) 20:38, 17 January 2011 (UTC)
You are talking about direktor, right? He begin the edit war again, as seen by diffs, so C was blocked instead of direktor, see? FkpCascais ( talk) 09:08, 19 January 2011 (UTC)
Rather fascinating, isn't it? This thread may serve as a good general example of 1) why noone wants to take the time to put an end to this particularly nasty Balkans nationalist problem, and 2) why my demeanour is so abrasive, and my patience so thoroughly worn. Imagine a year of this... o_O
P.S. Fkp seems to be itching to edit the article. The sock likely could not care less if he gets blocked. I expect the disputed edits will be promptly restored upon the article's un-protection. -- DIREKTOR ( TALK) 13:31, 19 January 2011 (UTC)
Hello. This message is being sent to inform you that there currently is a discussion at Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents regarding an issue with which you may have been involved. Thank you.
Fainites, I'm assuming here you may be willing to get into this obscure issue independently and a tad more thoroughly. You may get a better understanding of "where I'm coming from". In order to gain some insight into the full extent of Chetnik collaboration (and form an opinion of your own regarding its extent), you may want to read Chapter 7, "Chetniks and the Foreign Enemy" of The Chetniks by Prof. Tomasevich - you can find it here:
[11], its in English, and, if I'm not mistaken, its entirety of it is available for free. The chapter deals specifically with the subject of this discussion.
As for Tomasevich, you may note that The Chetniks is the only detailed work of comparable quality focusing exclusively on the (relatively obscure) matter of the Chetniks. His are reliable, peer-reviewed (Stanford) university publications, very detailed, and of very high quality. They are a delight to read to anyone mired in the frightful bog of Balkans history, as they are teeming with primary sources - I feel safe to say that virtually nothing the author states is without direct backing.
I have included this in my talkpage post, but consider this a personal link service. To be perfectly honest, an admin willing to do a quick read into the Chetniks mess would to me feel like winning the lottery. ^_^ I'm thoroughly exhausted trying to reason with these folks, and my patience has been ground wafer-thin (as you may have noticed). -- DIREKTOR ( TALK) 13:12, 17 January 2011 (UTC)
I left a sorry and makeup message on Aleenf1's talk page but he responded saying no to collaborating and saying I ruined his reputation. What should I do? Intoronto1125 ( talk) 01:51, 18 January 2011 (UTC)
Just to let you know, you've been mentioned on ANI. — HelloAnnyong (say whaaat?!) 15:49, 20 January 2011 (UTC)
Could you give me advice on how to deal with a troublesome IP? An anonymous IP on the Croat–Bosniak War article and talkpage continues to deny a university publication as a reliable source and simply reiterates his own opinion on the talk page. He continues to remove referenced information and replaces it with his own POV. I'm wary on how to deal with such situations since I received a block for reverting what I thought was blatant vandalism in a previous incident. -- ◅PRODUCER ( TALK) 12:09, 26 January 2011 (UTC)
Hi. I did not uploaded that file at commons! This is done by someone else [12]. I am the file placed on sr-wiki and there is a the permission (GNU Free Documentation License) for this file [13].-- Свифт ( talk) 14:09, 26 January 2011 (UTC)
This is the translation:
You have permission to download materials from the site looked, specifying the sources. I hope that the right to revise the material means that in this case, we will not remain as a source? Eg. our source is that the Chetniks defeated at the Battle of Neretva. If someone to edit and write that the defeated partisans, should not remain that this is our source.
All the best, editor, Miloslav Samardzic
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We'd still need Ustaše and Italian pics... :) -- DIREKTOR ( TALK) 19:27, 26 January 2011 (UTC)
Hi! Since you've been identified as an Awesome Wikipedian, I wanted to let you know about the Wikipedia Ambassador Program, and specifically the role of Online Ambassador. We're looking for friendly Wikipedians who are good at reviewing articles and giving feedback to serve as mentors for students who are assigned to write for Wikipedia in their classes.
If that sounds like you and you're interested, I encourage you to take a look at the Online Ambassador guidelines; the "mentorship process" describes roughly what will be expected of mentors during the current term, which started in January and goes through early May. If that's something you want to do, please apply!
You can find instructions for applying at WP:ONLINE. The main things we're looking for in Online Ambassadors are friendliness, regular activity (since mentorship is a commitment that spans several months), and the ability to give detailed, substantive feedback on articles (both short new articles, and longer, more mature ones).
I hope to hear from you soon.-- Sage Ross - Online Facilitator, Wikimedia Foundation ( talk) 18:28, 2 February 2011 (UTC)
What the hey, I'll try petitioning you directly. Could you pls revert the latest edits by an IP at the Chetniks article and semi-protect it for a short while? A persistent IP user has arrived, altered sourced text without discussion and is attempting to keep his changes in by simply edit-warring. The text in question is a direct representation of the listed references, and has been long-established by user consensus (after gruelling, grinding discussions). -- DIREKTOR ( TALK) 01:07, 5 February 2011 (UTC)
And bah, I just realized I'm now kinda stalking you. Whee, how creepy. Anyway ^ still is true, also I'm f-g good at cleanup job and it's just a fact - Fainites you can go and compare just this article before and after. -- 94.246.150.68 ( talk) 02:59, 5 February 2011 (UTC)
Hey there Fainites. First off, thanks for dealing with User1389 over at the ANI report. Unfortunately as you've already noticed there have been a string of recent IP address "users"... probably User1389 judging from the edits, reverting the same content. Assuming User1389 continues their disruptive ways after their block is over, what other course of action can be taken? Frankly I can't keep up nor do I want to engage in an edit war with anonymous IP addresses over the same 4 ( 1, 2, 3, 4) articles over and over. Buttons ( talk) 05:41, 6 February 2011 (UTC)
Every months there's another one... If someone wants to preserve what's left of these Chetnik-related articles, he's supposed to engage in these nonsense discussions and repeat the same basic stuff over and over and over again. They're gonna lock me up.. I'm gonna end up like Nicholson in The Shining, writing on my typewriter.. scholarly sources, scholarly sources, no links, no links, scholarly, published, no OR, no links, scholarly.... xP -- DIREKTOR ( TALK) 21:55, 7 February 2011 (UTC)
Are you okay, Fainites? After weeks of your responding within hours to everything I wrote on the Talk page of Attachment theory and now four whole days have passed...!
I have found on p. 244 of Bowlby's Attachment a summary of what he was saying earlier in the book in which he includes crying and calling in attachment behavior. (see AT Talk page).
After puzzling over these last 2 months I've realized that systems theory--what JB called "control" systems theory--is what's missing from most of the secondary sources. (the index makes clear he is talking about feedback as a form of control). Explaining systems theory is a major problem--Bowlby dedicated over 2/5 of the book to it and Gregory Bateson spent many more years than Bowlby in trying to define systems theory/cybernetics. But it's hard to translate nonlinear thinking into linear language. It's an entirely different way of seeing and analyzing. As a nonlinear cross-disciplinary thinker myself I've seen up close the difficulties all my life. (So I wasn't misunderstanding what Bowlby was saying--I was hearing more of what he way saying).
Systems thinking can be compared to a tennis match--one doesn't watch just one player, but watches the ball and how the two players interact with it.
That's one reason why Bowlby goes back and forth between humans and animals--he's comparing similarities AND differences, drawing parallels and differentiating.
In systems theory--
Re:
Wikipedia:Wikiquette alerts#User:Bobthefish2
In the past, I regret failing to do enough to oppose harassment in the form of baiting.
I responded to Bobthefish2's new gambit here at Senkaku Islands dispute by posting this:
WP:AGF is drained of meaning by
WP:POKING
WP:BAITING -- see context
here +
here which justifies
zero tolerance.
This makes me sad. I didn't understand.-- Tenmei ( talk) 20:25, 21 February 2011 (UTC)
This is kindá related to the subjects we have been dealing with. Would you mind if I ask you for advice? FkpCascais ( talk) 20:58, 26 February 2011 (UTC)
I actually moved DIREKTOR's post up since he was addressing PANONIAN and not Fkp's down. I didn't think people would actually complain over something so miniscule as moving a post. -- ◅PRODUCER ( TALK) 11:53, 2 March 2011 (UTC)
It's just one of those things that gets to people sometimes. Fainites barley scribs 13:17, 2 March 2011 (UTC)
Hello - regarding the closed discussion on Noticeboards, it appears to be continuing past the closure. I posted a reply right after it was closed and before I noticed it and would be happy to delete it and, obviously, refrain from further posting since the discussion has been closed. However, Bugs is now posting multiple comments about me that are patently not true (e.g. "posting a userbox threatening to report other editors that he considers to be anti-Gadaffi") and I feel compelled to defend myself against since they will become part of the permanent record. I don't even know what to request at this point. I'm at a loss at what to do about Bugs. My participation in Wikipedia seems to attract him through some force of compulsion despite the fact I never initiate interaction with him. Felixhonecker ( talk) 00:01, 4 March 2011 (UTC)
Did you send me an e-mail? If so, thanks for the reminder. Question--can I delete something I wrote on another person's user page? It would take me ages to find the answer to that. Margaret9mary ( talk) 23:16, 5 March 2011 (UTC)
Did you send me an email? If so, thanks for the reminder. Can I delete something I've posted on another person's user talk? I don't know where to find out the answer to that. Margaret9mary ( talk) 23:08, 5 March 2011 (UTC)
Yeah - that was my e-mail. You can delete something you've written but it will still show up in the record if anybody looks. If you have a good reason for wanting to remove it permanently it can be "oversighted", ie removed permananetly. This is usually for things like disclosing personal information about people or libellous remarks or that kind of thing. You shouldn't delete things people have already replied to generally though. You can e-mail me and tell me what the problem is and I'll have a look. Cheers. Fainites barley scribs 10:30, 6 March 2011 (UTC)
Was it this ? Fainites barley scribs 10:35, 6 March 2011 (UTC)
Thanks for the tip. Rodhull andemu 19:52, 12 March 2011 (UTC)
LoL, I tend to agree agree with this fella. Restore the pre-edit-war version? You know I'm still pretty confused as to what exactly Tim's complaint is. To top it all off I told the guy I don't mind any changes.. I think he's just angry the whole vote he organized didn't work out the way he planned and the article simply remained the way it was. Wasted effort. I can relate. -- DIREKTOR ( TALK) 21:16, 28 March 2011 (UTC)
The other useful policy is BRD. You have an established version. Someone boldly changes it (E1). An established contributor reverts(E2). Then you discuss. The difficulty with this is the maths. E1 wrongly changes it again without discussing. E2, understandable miffed, reverts again and says please discuss. E1 reverts again. E2 reverts again. At this point, E2 is up to 3 reverts. E1 is not. E1 - who is more in the wrong, will only be up to 3 reverts at his next revert. E1 reverts so they are both on 3RR. At this point, E1 would argue that it would be wrong to block E1 for 3RR, but not E2 who reached 3RR first. On the surface though, the problem is caused by E1 changing an established version and not discussing. However, lets suppose the "established version" is arrant nonsense, protected by edit warriors for years and E1 is adding basic, necessary well sourced information. No admin can always get to the bottom of this on the spot. I suppose that is the thinking behind the strict liability approach to 3RR. Or indeed 8RR as the case may be. Fainites barley scribs 13:46, 29 March 2011 (UTC)
Congradulations. With that post on Talk:Fausto Veranzio you just officially entered the old abandoned battlefield of Dalmatia. Where ghosts of edit-wars past still haunt the living.. A strange, upside-down place, where you are bound to see me called a "Croatian nationalist" :). No, Dalmatia is not a dog, its actually a small region of Croatia (yes that's right, its a small region of a tiny country :)).
In all seriousness, you're seeing the tip of the iceberg there. Dalmatia is a region that was populated by South Slavs since the 8th century AD, the hinterland in particular. However its cities on the Adriatic Sea preserved tehir Roman legacy for some time afterwards. Afterwards the cities were ruled by the Venetian Republic for a long time. In essence what that translates to is a place where the lower classes are Slavic, but the higher classes were Romance by ancestry and were increasingly absorbed by the Slavs. A typical noble from the period speaks Slavic at home but is very fluent in Italian and Latin as well. Now as you can see this is a very fine line. The Slavic argument is that these boys were Slavs since they lived and intermarried in a overwhelmingly Slavic area for hundreds and hundreds of years, while the Italian argument is that they are "Italians by ancestry". Of course, those people are indeed Slavic, are the Monarchs of England Germans then? But the matter is complicated by the fact that these people were known to the outside world by their Italian names (e.g. "Fausto Veranzio"), and that error is only being corrected in scientific usage since WWII. Add to that the fact that, well, Slavic languages are damn near incomprehensible to your average English-speaker :) and you have Italian names out there for people who wrote the first dictionary of the Serbo-Croatian language (Faust Vrančić).
(Incidentally Italy entered WWI on the side of the Allies primarily because the latter had promised them the Slav-poulated region of Dalmatia, they did not get it because of Woodrow Wilson, and the outrage contributed quite a bit to Mussolini's rise to power. Fascist Italy then occupied and annexed Dalmatia during WWII.)
The edit wars and disputes about Dalmatia were.. very bad. We lost a lot of good men there, and PTSD is rampant among the former participants. In the end most of the names are now in Slavic form, and the "Italian side" is indeffed almost to a man. Its been quiet for a long time now, and "Fausto Veranzio" is the only remaining hotspot. -- DIREKTOR ( TALK) 14:18, 29 March 2011 (UTC)
No, no. Reason why I added this list of persons is to show other users who has the most views, and this could show us who is the more "famous". I didn't propose them to infobox, you can read what I wrote. Second, Mile Budak, he was just an example, we can add Jesus Christ. It was not my attention to extend the discussion. Not at all. DIREKTOR thinks I'm a fascist, but I don't give a damn. I just whant to say that Ivana B.M. should be replaced with more "famous" person, since I think that you are adding her just because of her female organs. That's my point. And as you can see, I agree on every person wich you choose, except her. And my oppinion should be considered.
Second, why I wrote "clean" Croats, this means they are Croats from both sides, nothing to do with "aryanism", just DIREKTOR told me that Malkovich is half French, so I wrote for perosns who's Croatian ethnicity could be disputed, that they are "clean" Croats, from both sides.-- Wusten fuchs 09:09, 3 April 2011 (UTC)
I have to ask, what's your current take on the RM at Yugoslav front? Hopefully I've shown that the term does indeed encompass teh entirety of the conflict. Frankly I can't imagine any part that might hypothetically be considered "separate" somehow. Its a very tangled, intertwined war. Fkp is just looking out for the Chetniks' "interests", its what he does. He's also being deliberately vague in his concerns so as to avoid getting immediately proven wrong. On the one occasion he did specify he was talking about the Chetniks (quelle surprise!), it became evident there appear to be more than 250 sources that discuss Chetnik actions as part of the National Liberation War. He says its "like Mars and the Solar System" (how colourful), but he can't seem to show that "Mars" and the "Solar System" are the same thing.
In light of the fact that NLW is not only the most common, but that there really is no other name for the conflict in scholarly use, how can a move possibly be opposed on the grounds of one (clearly very biased) person's uncorroborated claims? Can one really just "proclaim" a title invalid? -- DIREKTOR ( TALK) 21:58, 3 April 2011 (UTC)
A bit of moderation is needed here... Jasper Deng (talk) 05:42, 5 April 2011 (UTC)
It seems Talk:Serbs of Croatia might need some attention. Timbouctou ( talk) 05:18, 6 April 2011 (UTC)
I apologise Fainites, but I need your help. User:PRODUCER is "having fun" by adding the mentioned category and labeling as "Collaborators" a series of biographies that are actually dependent on the outcome of the Mihailovic mediation. The least he could do is respect and wait for the outcome. Can you please help me to stop this rushed "in panic" nazification of several figures. The user should have participated in the mediation, instead of having fun all around editing the same articles. FkpCascais ( talk) 12:27, 6 April 2011 (UTC)
No. -- ◅PRODUCER ( TALK) 11:30, 7 April 2011 (UTC)
This is getting absurd. Timbouctou ( talk) 12:35, 7 April 2011 (UTC)
Since I am apparently unable to have a private discussion here. I have moved the post to my talkpage, Fainites. I have also reported User:Timbouctou for WP:HOUNDING and truly numerous personal attacks [22], something I should have done immediately instead of enduring such unprovoked, continuous abuse. -- DIREKTOR ( TALK) 02:35, 9 April 2011 (UTC)
Hi Fainites, I apologise not having answered to you when you posted your question to me at Serbs of Croatia talk page, but since other wiki and non-wiki issues came up both you and me ended a bit accupied these days. Regarding your question, I think my position is not fully understood. For exemple, we have a text:
Chetnik Chetniković, was a Serbian Chetnik commander.
Now, the already existing sources source the fact that he was the Chetnik commander. I don´t need to search for more sources. Now, if someone edits and adds this:
Chetnik Chetniković, was a Serbian Chetnik commander and a collaborator.
further adding to it a category: Serbian nazy collaborators
well, we see the sources if they source the addition. The person that added the nazy and collaboration acusations is the one needing to have sources to confirm that, and in this case those sources need to be at least clear and reliable (strong) because we are talking about a polemical heavy accusation, couvered by WP:REDFLAG. Now, as I know wikipedia doesn´t prohibit anywhere a person to be simply acting as a defence lawyier, right? I don´t need sources because I am not ading anything, but I can challenge the edits considering that the sources don´t allow the editor to make those additions. That is pretty much my position at Chetniks related articles. There is a difference in the approach. I haven´t been having much time to search more sources and stuff, but also have in mind that I don´t want to leave the impression the sources provided by that user couver his acusations. The editor adding content needs sources.
P.S.: Thank you for finaly making the right decition about an editor that was failing to receve the message when fogiven. If necessary please fell free to contact me in case you need evidence of disruption by that user. I really hope you´ll finaly see that the former Yugoslavia related articles are not full of uncivil editors. If ou notece, when removing the discussions where that participant commented, you´re left with quite normal discussions and mostly normal and civil people. FkpCascais ( talk) 08:14, 10 April 2011 (UTC)
As (un)productive as our exchange may have been, note that word seems to travel rather fast. Already the (rather famous) 151.95.. IP of the banned User:Ragusino is pushing his personal ideas on the Ethnic cleansing article, on the National Memorial Day of the Exiles and Foibe, and the Foibe killings article - of course, sourced in full by some Italian guy's diary. And all today, for some reason. We can expect to see more of that. -- DIREKTOR ( TALK) 18:45, 10 April 2011 (UTC)
(Not sure what you two are actually discussing, I apologise from myself and leave a note here)
I apologise to all about my commets on direktors talk page. I admit my childish mistake of trying to make a point where really isn´t anything to prove. Direktor should also take in consideration that by being topic banned that doesn´t mean he can´t edit other subjects and that he can limit himself to make unfair comments about other users, including actual insults, on his talk page. However, wrong is not fixed with further wrong, or semi wrong, or whatever wrong, so I apologise for my own conduct and send regards to all.
FkpCascais (
talk) 21:59, 10 April 2011 (UTC)
read wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/Macedonia#DIREKTOR restricted recidivism need block?-- Mat003second ( talk) 10:18, 11 April 2011 (UTC)
[23]? You think its Gavrilo Princip talking to us there, or you´re just testing him? :) My belly still hearts of laughing so much... FkpCascais ( talk) 20:10, 12 April 2011 (UTC)
On Friday morning 15 April the International Criminal Tribunal for the former Yugoslavia is scheduled to announce their verdicts in the cases against Mladen Markač, Ante Gotovina and Ivan Čermak, three former high-ranking Croatian military commanders who had been indicted for war crimes during and after the 1995 Operation Storm, a military offensive which ended the Croatian War of Independence. Regardless of the court's ruling some vandalism and maybe IP edit-warring might occur on related articles. Thought you should know. Cheers. Timbouctou ( talk) 10:41, 13 April 2011 (UTC)
Since you are now involved on teh Chetniks article, I'd like to take the liberty of posting Ramet's brief description of the Chetnik movement she uses as the lead for the relevant chapter. The Three Yugoslavias (pp. 145-146) [24].
"Both the Chetniks political program and the extent of their collaboration have been amply, even voluminously, documented; it is more than a bit disappointing, thus, that people can still be found who believe that the Chetniks were doing anything besides attempting to realize a vision of an ethnically homogenous Greater Serbian state, which they intended to advance, in the short run, by a policy of collaboration with the Axis forces. The Chetniks collaborated extensively and systematically with the Italian occupation forces until the Italian capitulation in September 1943, and beginning in 1944, portions of the Chetnik movement of Draža Mihailović collaborated openly with the Germans and Ustaša forces in Serbia and Croatia. Moreover, as already mentioned, the Chetniks loyal to Kosta Pećanac collaborated with the Germans from early in the war. (...) For the Chetniks the war provided an excellent opportunity to put their program into effect, and between autumn 1942 and spring 1943 the Chetniks carried out slaughters of Croatian [and Muslim] civilians in a wave of teror (...) Roatta [General Mario Roatta], commander of the second army, protested these 'massive slaughters' and threatened to cut off Italian supplies and money if Chetnik depradations against noncombatant civilians did not end.."
Mind you, some of these facts are gainsaid by Tomasevich who can (by way of actual records of collaboration agreements) show that the Chetnik-Ustaše collaboration took place since early 1942 in Bosnia, as opposed to after September 1943. -- DIREKTOR ( TALK) 14:35, 13 April 2011 (UTC)
I am not "involved" in any of the articles DIREKTOR and I have Ramet. Please don't use my talkpage to carry on the same old arguments. Thanks. Fainites barley scribs 17:22, 13 April 2011 (UTC)
Fainites, please keep an eye on the articles of Momčilo Đujić and Pavle Đurišić. Fkp is constantly removing information and categories that are backed by reliable references under the false pretense that it's somehow "lead missinformation" or that it's involved in the mediation and non-editable. -- ◅PRODUCER ( TALK) 19:37, 13 April 2011 (UTC)
One side posts a source. The other side either ignores or refuses to accept the source. An edit-war starts over the removal of these sources, and a mediation is started. For one year the mediation carries on in the same pattern: one side posts sources, the other side refuses to accept them ("communist sources!", Ramet, e.g. has already been "dismissed" there before). The mediator, as you say, is not an arbitrator and does/can not really do anything. How to break the deadlock? -- DIREKTOR ( TALK) 21:46, 13 April 2011 (UTC)
I have not seen a translation of that particular book, but Mao-era PRC translations contain some of the most arrant nonsense you'll ever see in print. But it wasn't considered nonsense; the translators and editors thought they were correcting the texts to add information that the religion-addled capitalist running dogs censored out. And the next translation, if there was one, might allege the sheer opposite. (Mao's era was known for wild swings between anti-Western intellectualism and pure anti-intellectualism - many translators later ended up in labour camps charged with counter-revolutionary sentiments simply because they could understand English.) A claim that doctors or scientists were controlled by the Christian church would have been run-of-the-mill, as it denigrated both Western medicine and Western religion and implied that Western science was neither as free nor as scientifically based as Chinese medicine. It's not that I wouldn't be surprised to find that in a PRC translation, it's that I would be very surprised if such claims didn't show up once or twice a chapter or even page in any Mao-era translated scientific text. -- NellieBly ( talk) 23:36, 14 April 2011 (UTC)
Please do something about user John Gradwell and his disruptive editing. [25] [26] [27] [28] -- ◅PRODUCER ( TALK) 23:07, 15 April 2011 (UTC)
What do you need to know? I'm off to the Winnipeg Public Library's main branch next week to return a book and they've got to have better local slang dictionaries there than at even an excellent university library in Portland. I can also see if there's a dictionary of Newfoundland slang if you need it, since Newfoundland English is a different dialect from the rest of North American English. -- NellieBly ( talk) 01:22, 16 April 2011 (UTC)
That would be great. Maybe I was thinking of the Oxford Canadian Dictionary. There is also one called the Dictionary of Canadianisms on Historical Principles (Dictionary of Canadian English). It's published by Gage and written by S. Walters. The editor-in-chief is Avis. It was published in 1967. The 1912 one sounds promising. I would anticipate they only use time-out now - from televised sports, but the original ones would have come over from Britain and then up from the US. Fainites barley scribs 20:37, 16 April 2011 (UTC)
The words "seems to" you removed from the Aloysius Stepinac article are the exact words of prof. Bernd Jurgen Fischer, and represent his assessment of the credibility of such claims of private criticism based the fact that they are founded entirely on unsupported testimony from the archbishop's friends. Such claims should, in fact, probably be removed altogether should we wish to avoid unencyclopedic wording by dabbling in hearsay.
Contrary to what you may have come to believe (and unlike many of my Balkans "colleagues"), I do strive to represent the sources to the best of my ability when I write on Wiki. Belligerence in itself does not mean bias, and a belligerent attitude in defense of sources and objectivity (in an environment where that seems necessary) should IMO be lauded. In any case, unless you are accusing Fischer of POV, I suggest you restore the wording he chose, as opposed to asserting something more strongly than the historian dared. -- DIREKTOR ( TALK) 15:41, 17 April 2011 (UTC)
I followed strictly Wikipedia rules: even-handledly presenting the facts and neutral point of view. As to the 3RR rule, did not think that I violated it. Painting a war criminal as a national hero is yet another nonsense (which Wikipedia rules, certainly, do not support) I tried to counter. But, if you are eager to exercise your admin power, i.e. to block the IP address I'm using now, go ahead. It will be yet another proof that Wikipedia is ruled by idiots, for idiots do not have to follow any rules. -- 71.178.115.169 ( talk) 16:35, 17 April 2011 (UTC)
Fainties, the argument was made in scholarly texts too, and the reference was provided by someone else in the heading paragraph. I reworded my text and provided this different reference. Btw, though I'm no expert and personally certainly have few sympathies with those who want to portray Tito's Partisans as equally criminal to the parties they fought, I see this as a legitimate interpretation which IMO needs to be included to fully appreciate the complexity of the situation in Yugoslavia at the end of WWII. – Miranche T C 01:17, 20 April 2011 (UTC)
I'm at a bit of a crossroads on what to do in this ridiculous situation (see Emir Kusturica and Serbs of Bosnia and Herzegovina) and implementing Wikipedia:BRD. In both cases Fkp introduced an edit, in the Emir Kusturica article he removed "Bosniak descent" from the lead and in the Serbs of Bosnia and Herzegovina article he added Kusturica, after which he was reverted but continues on reverting when discussions are going on. How does one deal with this? -- ◅PRODUCER ( TALK) 22:53, 23 April 2011 (UTC)
If I may make an altogether detached remark. Fkp has a rather bad habbit of following people around and immediately swamping any conversation with his own posts. Just here for example, Producer addressed you yourself, Fainites, no doubt intending to have a (presumably two-sided) conversation with you. Yet very quickly Fkp arrives essentially spreading the debate from some article or other to someone's talkpage. While I am not implying this is anything more than the most basic instinct at work (as opposed to some premeditated "scheme"), what this does is it draws attention from what the original post intended and creates an air of petty conflict discouraging any involvement. It makes it nearly impossible to address anyone with regard to any conflict Fkp is involved in. --
DIREKTOR (
TALK) 02:28, 24 April 2011 (UTC)
Please do something about the Kusturica article. I have asked Fkp to revert his version and he has not. His behavior should not be condoned. -- ◅PRODUCER ( TALK) 13:01, 25 April 2011 (UTC)
Hello, can you please see talk page at Josif Runjanin article?
According to WP:COMMONNAME and WP:NAME i moved this article to Josip Runjanin, but other user, I think PANONIAN has his point of view, so if you can help here so we can solve this problem?-- Wusten fuchs 16:40, 24 April 2011 (UTC)
Not disputing it has political connotations - so therefore didn't quite understand your "not quite James" correction - the silliness does exist on both sides because regardless of what politics one associates with it, the rationales put forward for both add and delete have achieved truly absurdist proportions. I don't enter into critiques of the gaming that goes on generally though - I am appealing for a rules-based approach. If you and other admins would support that, the sniping could be rounded up. Jamesinderbyshire ( talk) 19:42, 24 April 2011 (UTC)
I didn't follow up on your reply on ANI, but you're absolutely right and I was slightly confused by what you wrote. Thanks for clarifying things on my talk page: I am in total agreement with you. Sorry that there was any misunderstanding. I'll add a note on ANI. Cheers, Mathsci ( talk)
Adrian ( talk) 22:20, 25 April 2011 (UTC)
Adrian ( talk) 22:29, 25 April 2011 (UTC)
Hello. I am sorry to bother you, but I am having a real problem trying to discuss the matter on the Iranian Space Agency page. The new editor, who I suspect is the same as the anonymous IP address, is extremely aggressive, and prefers to make threats and accusations, rather than to simply discuss the material presented. I recognize this editor's writing style as well, and I think he is a banned editor. I don't want to fight over edits, but it is difficult to have any constructive input with someone who repeatedly calls you a racist, etc. Any thoughts? The Scythian 21:07, 30 April 2011 (UTC)
The article (like a number of others) suffers from constant sporadic "attacks" by socks of blocked editors (there are very many blocked Italian users that used to frequent these articles). User:Ragusino alone is known to be reponsible for at least some 30-40 socks over the years. Its become a constant chore to check for "clever", thinly-disguised POV. Much of the stuff over there is even now based on non-scholarly publications, essentially Italian right-wing political books, who go so far as to mention figures of 30,000 people. The rest is based entirely on Raoul Pupo, a professor from Trieste itself, who represents the most extreme end on the scale scholars have used on that subject. His rather dubious figure of "5,000" (along with his liberal use of the words "concentration camp") have been criticized by scholars, the "concentration camps" seem to be some sort of a counter to the (non-fictional) Rab and Gonars concentration camps Fascist Italy established on annexed Yugoslav territory for its Slavic subjects. Pupo responded that the figures he use are his estimates on the whole "foibe phenomenon" (which he does not define), and his casualties actually include persons who were deported from Yugoslavia. See e.g. Italian fascism: history, memory, and representation by R. J. B. Bosworth. -- DIREKTOR ( TALK) 17:07, 3 May 2011 (UTC)
problem is of valid sources and in web there are a lot of sites which make only propaganda! In Italian books, victims of foibe are all prisoners of war who were tortured and killed in concentration camps so then somebody estimate also 30.000 victims: in Italian version of article you find this number it:Massacri delle foibe#Quantificazione delle vittime in second line of section, but important historians assert maximum 20.000. Scholars are waiting results by Commission on Concealed Mass Graves in Slovenia. Sure in Croatia never a book was published which filed documentation of massacres or Broz Tito's intention on ethnic cleansing but in Slovenia is different: new democrat Sloven authorities collaborate with Italian historians and politicians and available books you can find in Sloven language but not yet in Croat language. But now in Croatia also democracy go on and later neutral and valid books you can find.-- Zellino ( talk) 16:09, 4 May 2011 (UTC)
This guy? This is
User:Ragusino's sock no.37. :) After 2 years and 40 socks I can practically smell the guy. Plus his trademark English is a dead give-away every time.. A checkuser can confirm it but its not really necessary. The modus operandi is a quick block, this guy is one of the worst sockpuppeteers on Wikipedia, and has been persistently disrupting his way across articles with virtual impunity for years now. A real "zealot", you might say. --
DIREKTOR (
TALK) 19:02, 4 May 2011 (UTC)
Fainites, but really may you believe bungler opinions of this guy who is in persistently edit warring? Sure you know, but remember we did this edit removing 30.000 Italian citizens were killed despite we know sources which assert this number but we know also controversy over this point so better don't focus on all estimates which are only conjectures. Sure we read talk and this guy is present in majority of sections always reporting same bungler opinions: in this example he foils user:JdeJ who is Svedish and not of supposed Italian fanatic bunch; no Italian editor has a fanatic POV but he foils every different opinion from his dogma: but dogma is forbidden in neutral article! We don't live on Mars planet and we know politic-cultural situation in Croatia: we know communist propaganda during Broz Tito's regime wich denied all titoist crimes against prisoners of war and triple ethnic cleansing against Germans, Hungarians and Italian but now Committee for the Marking and Maintenance of Graves from World War II and the Post-war with Sloven and Serb commissions will focus over these matters. Questions are:
Our opinion is: in this project many guys find a battleground for propaganda and conjectures! You are admin and you have a responsability here: sure for us wiki is not very important but we can honestly collaborate. Good luck!-- Zellino ( talk) 09:53, 5 May 2011 (UTC)
Fainites, but who is this figure? We are not 16 people: we are 16 years old! Furthermore in past we read a lot of articles and we know situation here! Other question:
because rarely edits on medical points-- Zellino ( talk) 10:39, 5 May 2011 (UTC)
a) I do not block on demand. b) you are obviously not a newbie student collective (all editing with the same voice). c) it doesn't matter on these articles whether Direktor is a medical student or not. It might matter if he were editing medical articles. I don't edit in my professional area either. c) I work full time. I will look into this in more detail when I have a moment. Fainites barley scribs 11:05, 5 May 2011 (UTC)
we are obviously not newbie students but we study in group: they found books in library and I only edit with suggestions by others. Furthermore our edits have honest behaviour and no edit wars involved our account. As well also us can request ban of this account for suspect socks but we have no time to spend in this strange pastime.-- Zellino ( talk) 11:34, 5 May 2011 (UTC)
if you assert it doesn't matter on these articles whether Direktor is a medical student or not, we can assert: it doesn't matter on these articles whether we are a group of students or not! Other question
If "they" are not socks, then they are meatpuppets - but that is really stretching AGF - which for the purposes of banned editors are counted as the same. As DIREKTOR says, not only concentration upon a very few and specific topics utilising exactly the same source as Ragusino was apt to but also a very clear understanding of WP:SOCK from an account of only a few weeks. I also see attempts to hide edits behind bland edit summaries. Unlike DIREKTOR I have no opinion upon the WP:Due weight to be afforded to the source used (but note that none of these new editors are inclined to discuss these edits on talkpages or elsewhere.) I block on behaviour, which is consistent with Ragusino who is a banned editor. On one or two contributions, outside of the "Italian/Yugoslavia" topics, I have allowed the edits to stand, otherwise they have been rolled back. Review would be welcome. LessHeard vanU ( talk) 11:36, 7 May 2011 (UTC)
you are in total blackout! We request unblock! Is LessHeard vanU drunked or drugged? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 193.206.126.34 ( talk) 09:12, 9 May 2011 (UTC)
Hey,did you get my email? -- NellieBlyMobile ( talk) 22:31, 3 May 2011 (UTC)
Well he's a controversial person, isn't he? Under such conditions he should not be in any infobox. If the croats can claim him, then so can the serbs. Afterall, he has been on the serbian paper money. Case in point - [31]. It is well known that this guy is a prize to anyone who claims him - it's not fair that the croats claim him rather than the other two groups. It's well known that he identified with serbs the most. ( LAz17 ( talk) 15:42, 5 May 2011 (UTC)).
Fainites, unless something's changed that I'm unaware of, User:LAz17 is "topic-banned from all edits relating to the historical demographics of ex-Yugoslavia". See here. -- DIREKTOR ( TALK) 10:40, 6 May 2011 (UTC)
What have I done to be alerted in this way? I just came back change that you delete. I thought that you are the vandal! From this article should not be anything to be deleted before it is completed mediation. There is no reason that we in such a way threaten me, because I did not nothing wrong.-- Свифт ( talk) 19:08, 5 May 2011 (UTC)
I've posted a thread on WP:AN to discuss your recent application of sanctions [34]. Regards, -- DIREKTOR ( TALK) 10:18, 8 May 2011 (UTC)
Re: [35]
PS logged in again and still didn't discuss while reverting the text yet again. They added a new ref which appears to be a wiki of some sort. Strangely, none of the refs (poor or otherwise) used by PS have ever backed the interpretation PS wrote of the Export Land Model (you can see that back in February PS inserted the same OR to that article with no refs as well). I wonder if this isn't some banned user or a trickster of some sort. The other option I see is that this person is trying to redefine the ELM for some reason. Please help oversee this issue, as I will be unavailable for the next 4 weeks. Many thanks. 206.188.61.213 ( talk) 00:06, 14 May 2011 (UTC)
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Thanks WhiteWriter - though I'm not sure my last post above was very diplomatic. Fainites barley scribs 16:13, 18 May 2011 (UTC)
Hi Fainites. I don't know if this is within your scope of interest but it seems there's an edit war brewing at Zachlumia. Cheers. Timbouctou ( talk) 22:43, 21 May 2011 (UTC)
I do not see why would I get blocked. o.O It's just an opinion you see. And he started the thing.
Mm.srb ( talk) 01:48, 24 May 2011 (UTC)
Hello Fainites, I haven´t been much around lately cause I had some off-wiki matters and I was also a bit of nostalgic about my football stuff. However, I was bold at Yugoslav Front article and after checking all sources I gathered by now I think it is easily conclusible that some things seemed just out of place. I didn´t wanted to go into details because that would obviously mean going into text and adding all what sources say, most of what would mean some major changes in what the current text looks like now, and I simply wanted to postpone it for some other time in future... However some facts are very clear and easily and logically fixable: the fact that Chetniks can´t ever possibly be added to the Axis column, and that simply can´t happend because they were never Axis. The entire words game cleaverly invented by some of the "officially" and "de facto" is just an excuse for not having anything official to use. Also, if there is the addition of the mentioning of collaboration for them, then obviously that the mentioning of resistance is fair for having an POV view on the matter (the previous version uses the already known strategy of saying, in other words, how they were initially resistance however soon they became Axis. Well, wrong, they actually never became part of Axis, and also they never stoped being Allies). But actually, I am not doing anything more than leaving the Chetniks as third party side, even thus possibly failing because they were obviously Allies until 12/1943 ("officially" and "de facto"). We can discuss nuances, but removing everything without explanation seems precipitated and wrong. FkpCascais ( talk) 06:04, 28 May 2011 (UTC)
I got your message
Please refrain from making unconstructive edits to Wikipedia. Your edits appear to be disruptive and have been reverted or removed.
What is unconstructive or disruptive, if removing invented names attributed by Italian medieval people? Is Wikipedia free or just a tool for nationalistic propaganda?
What makes you to be judge here? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.163.229.6 ( talk) 12:58, 29 May 2011 (UTC)
Hi Fainites. When you find yourself with time I would really apreciate if you could spare me a litlle time and give me your view about where things stand. I already asked you in my previous post if you could help me but I´m not sure you noteced it, so here I´m doing it again. I´m not sure what else is needed for the 3-side infobox to be implemented. It seems clear that Chetniks had animosities, at least, beside actual fights, with Germans troughout the war, and they were allways very far from being allies as some would like to present. Despite everything direktor mentioned, I still see no reason why we should separate time periods in infobox. It should be simplifiyed for the benefit of WP and their readers, because despite the X times that Chetniks fought Axis, and X times they agreed against Partisans, they were allways a 3th side in the conflict. Direktor also reminded me of the fact that Mihailovic had his head hounted until the end of the war, so that is another strong reason why it is wrong having them in same side. Allied head-hunting eachother? It doesn´t make sence. Also, I have a similar situation as in Yugoslav Front article with regard to short informative sentence about Chetniks in another article: Bleiburg massacre with User:Kebeta. He is edit warring there, despite me having initiated discussion in his talk page. Regards. PS: @Direktor, I will like to ask you to please don´t add posts here, I would like to have at least one free channel to talk with Fainites, and I´m talking here about the way I am personally adressing this problem, more than discussing article content. FkpCascais ( talk) 03:41, 31 May 2011 (UTC)
You might want to know that there are currently entire sections of the Draža Mihailović article that are, quite simply, fairy tales. I cannot emphasize enough the degree to which the text therein has lost all connection to reality and/or history. For the best example, see the " Soviet invasion of Yugoslavia" section, describing a completely imaginary event that did never, and could never, transpire in this universe. The sheer absurdity of the content is way, waay beyond any kind of debate or discussion. We are talking complete "Tolkien history". The "references" quoted in support of such nonsense are either misquoted, misrepresented, or are laughable gibberish themselves - I assure you. Its like the text is about a weird upside-down parallel universe where the Soviet Union and Yugoslavia were not allies but enemies. Without any exaggeration, I can say that this kind of content, completely detached from all history, is a disgrace for all of Wikipedia's WWII coverage (or at least it would be if any significant numbers read these backwater articles).
Please see Talk:Draža Mihailović#"Soviet invasion"? -- DIREKTOR ( TALK) 15:43, 31 May 2011 (UTC)
Fainites, can you please intervene. First direktor trolls the other user about his language skills, which not being perfect, are however perfectly understandable for any user having a minimal level of English language skills. Then, he also wrongly drives him to talk another language, which is against wiki principles. Then I am unecessarily attacked with all those "red attack" words. I think I couldn´t have been more polite. This is the responce I got: [36]. FkpCascais ( talk) 17:50, 31 May 2011 (UTC)
I'm on holiday this week.
Fainites
barley
scribs 14:09, 1 June 2011 (UTC)
Hi Fainites. Please look into this user's editing history when you get back from wiki break. Thanks. Timbouctou ( talk) 00:04, 2 June 2011 (UTC)
I request your attention here, regards.-- Tiblocco ( talk) 15:03, 6 June 2011 (UTC)
indeed this user does not change his disruptive behaviour removing a lot of sources:
..I'm asking you to look past my obnoxious overbearing personality, and please be honest with me. Nuujin I understand, he just wants to enlist people to help him write his draft. But will you please tell me, how will going completely off-topic yet again for months help us discuss the topic? I assure you, there are no disputed points apart from the WWII collaboration and there never were any. If you think I'm wrong there, prove me wrong, but if you can't - please tell me why we are avoiding the subject? -- DIREKTOR ( TALK) 15:11, 23 June 2011 (UTC)
Hello Fainites. A content dispute is developing at Talk:Croats#Unnecessarily involving User:PRODUCER, User:Jesuislafete and me over whether the article should include a rather detailed summary of people killed in WW2, Mihajlović's role, ethnic composition of Partisans and the like. Admin attention - or at least a third opinion from an uninvolved editor - might be needed. Regards. Timbouctou ( talk) 12:59, 3 July 2011 (UTC)
Hi Fainites! I usually don't complain to admins, but I have come across some statements of pro-fascistic, or more specifically ustashoid nature in this discussion. There I warned User:Tommy1441 not to use disparaging terms such as "quasi-Serb", but in his next post he went on by calling Serbs outside Serbia the "so called Serbs", further implying that ijekavian-speaking Serbs (i.e., those outside Serbia) are actually Croats (see the final two sentences of that post). This is quite reminiscent of a policy towards Serbs implemented by the fascist Independent State of Croatia, postulating that the Serbs in Croatia and B.-H. descended from Catholic Croats (by which they justified the policy of conversion of Serbs to Catholicism and erasion of their Serb identity). I think some measures should be taken against such behaviour of user Tommy1441. Thanks. Vladimir ( talk) 13:41, 24 July 2011 (UTC)
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Thank you very much for your support on my RfA. I shall endeavor to meet your and the community's expectations as an admin. Qwyrxian ( talk) 07:54, 26 July 2011 (UTC) |
Frankly Fainites, I don't see the point of the recent quotes you added. Radical nationalist propaganda in Croatia is as bad, if not worse, than the one in Serbia. Its all the same trash, really. Croats demonize the Chetniks by emphasizing their collaboration, trying to depict the Chetniks as equivalent to the Ustaše, which is nonsense. Serbian propaganda does not really need to additionally demonize the Ustaše, as they were really quite horrible in fact, but instead whitewashes over any collaboration and atrocities of the Chetniks and depicts them as heroes. I want to make it perfectly clear that I myself am utterly disgusted by the nationalist nonsense in my own country, and under no circumstances do I, or any other sensible Croat, consider the Chetniks to have been equivalent
I hope you see the difference: the Croats really have no choice but to reject the Ustaše, as they were fascists with an open policy of collaboration and genocide against the Serbs that lived within their borders - thus the Ustaše are and have been denounced by all Croatian scholars and political parties since 1945. Chetniks, however, have seen a rehabilitation in their status. The Chetniks used to be denounced by all Serbian scholars and politicians up until Slobodan Milošević came to power in the late 1980s. At present the largest single political party in Serbia, the Serbian Radical Party (SRS), openly supports the Chetniks, whitewashes over any collaboration (often depicting it as supposedly having been committed by the Pećanac Chetniks), and its Party Leader publicly considers himself a Chetnik "Voivoda". Due to the fact that the Chetnik collaboration and war crimes are lesser in scale than those of the Ustaše, Serbia has rehabilitated its WWII ultranationalist movement, while Croatia has not (or could not have).
P.S. The second quote from Balkan holocausts? is very strange: "Even though there is clear indisputable evidence of Cetnik massacres of Croats and Moslems throughout the NDH, there was no concrete proof that the Cetniks aimed to exterminate the entire Croatian nation - nor would they have had the means to do so." This is clearly an erroneous assumption on the part of the author: noone ever said they wanted to exterminate whole nations. Even if Mihailović's instructions are an accurate description of the Chetniks goals, they do not entail the "exterminate the entire Croatian nation" - merely their removal out of the areas they considered Greater Serbia. The same is true with the Ustaše: neither movement ever suggested their goal is to exterminate the entire Serbian or Croatian nations. Refuting that seems to be redundant. -- DIREKTOR ( TALK) 19:52, 30 July 2011 (UTC)
Fainites, please note that WhiteWriter has, around an hour ago, simultaneously added a new map of his own making on the Serbia under German occupation, Invasion of Yugoslavia, Yugoslav Front, and Independent State of Croatia articles. This new edit was reverted by myself. PANONIAN has now restored the disputed edit on all articles. I request that you please revert these articles to the status quo version, in order to prevent an edit-war. I'd do it myself, but I get the feeling the new opposed edits and the map might well find themselves protected in place. The alternative of course, as always, is a frantic edit-war between two users with the goal of making certain that the preferred version gets protected, i.e. the standard exploitation of WP:WRONG. That is something I am completely sick of and would like to avoid.
I also must point out that I had no intention of edit warring on the Serbia under German occupation article, as seems to have been your assumption, my only revert was done with the purpose of tying-up a few grammatical errors. The reason why I posted the whole thing in the first place, is essentially to best present my proposal for the article lead and infobox.
P.S. Just in case you care about being fair in your capacity as an admin, I'll point out that you did not quite protect the status quo version of the Serbia under German occupation article, but also reverted my removal of WhiteWriter's disputed new edit (i.e. the entry of the new "This is Serbia!" map) -- DIREKTOR ( TALK) 16:51, 31 July 2011 (UTC)
Answered on Serbia under German occupation. Fainites barley scribs 18:28, 1 August 2011 (UTC)
Fainites, the new user butchered the article and removed some very well sourced info (NOT by Cohen). Care to restore the status quo? -- DIREKTOR ( TALK) 19:58, 2 August 2011 (UTC)
Hello!
Well, in discusion page, ther is no sign that this article is part of WP:WikiProject Fascism or similiar. And as I remember categories put it as anti-communist. So, I thought I brake no rule by this, but if I risk my contribution here on Wiki, then I won't edit any more. -- Wusten fuchs 17:53, 5 August 2011 (UTC)
I am obligated to inform you of the thread I've posted on WP:ANI. -- DIREKTOR ( TALK) 20:31, 5 August 2011 (UTC)
[54] Fainites barley scribs 22:53, 6 August 2011 (UTC)
While it is certainly not any of your concern whether I do or do not research and edit an article, since you have brought it up six times up to now, I will point out that I terminated my involvement on the Aloysius Stepinac article as I did not wish to start another major, extremely controversial discussion while concurrently engaged in two others of similar (or greater) difficulty. Had you and your group of editors on Talk:Draža Mihailović had not pushed me out of the discussion by force, upon completion I would have turned to the other difficult nationalist-POV issue (yes, "your group": since you all agree on all subjects and argue in concert, I take the liberty of referring to Sunray, Nuujinn and yourself as a group). Indeed, my eagerness to end that perpetual debate is a manifestation of my desire to move on and resolve other difficult issues, such as the Aloysius Stepinac article.
I do not mean to imply you should particularly care about any of the above, but I feel the need to clarify the reasons for my withdrawal from Talk:Aloysius Stepinac so that in future it may be shown that you were informed of them, and may not use the affair to your profit in the form of what is essentially "character assassination". Regards -- DIREKTOR ( TALK) 11:57, 13 August 2011 (UTC)
DIREKTOR I don't think it helps to post here like this. There is no group. As you know, I had nothing to do with the mediation until after the article was coming back into mainspace. Fainites barley scribs 21:09, 13 August 2011 (UTC)
Please be advised that an arbitration enforcement action appeal has been posted on your recent topic ban. Please see Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Enforcement#Arbitration enforcement action appeal by DIREKTOR. Regards -- DIREKTOR ( TALK) 23:38, 13 August 2011 (UTC)
OK, fair enough re the above, ie getting drawn into content and the banning DIREKTOR myself. But has anybody got any more advice on where the borders are in general? I mean - on the basis that it wasn't OK to express an opinion on "which version", was it OK to post five different versions of a lead sentence until one which everybody agreed was found? Was it OK to post the results of the sources I found? Is it OK to protect the page for a few days and try and get editors to restart a discussion? Regarding sources, presumably it's OK to act if someone specifically mis-cites a source, but what about failure to source assertions? Was it OK to keep requesting that they do? I mean this in the context of being an admin. I have no interest in actually editing content and thus becoming involved in the neverending nationalist POV pushing but I would be interested in contnuing to try and mediate/moderate discussions to enable normal, collaborative editing if possible. Fainites barley scribs 13:20, 15 August 2011 (UTC)
I am glad to see you back. I thought that you left Wikipedia because of DIREKTOR. He continuing with disruptive behavior and I opened this thread about him: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Administrators'_noticeboard/Incidents#Disruptive_editing_of_User:DIREKTOR PANONIAN 20:45, 12 September 2011 (UTC)
In regard to I'm not sure what help I can be on Balkans articles any more if I can't use my admin powers to try and keep a bit of order!, you should not underestimate yourself. Jack Merridew, for all of the oddities of their personae, had some quote regarding the "voice" as being the important thing, and I took that to mean that due to the nature of the community, real authority comes from reputation and the ability to convince others and build consensus. The bit's just a bit that enables you do some minor things. I'm not sure it would be to your taste, but my thoughts on this kind of thing are largely informed by Aichinger's The Bound Man. Far warning, Kafka and Faulkner are favorites of mine, and I'm told my world view is rather dark (whereas I think I'm a realist). Whatever you decide to do, all the best! -- Nuujinn ( talk) 00:40, 15 September 2011 (UTC)
Hi Fainites, as you are an admin and are familiar with the topic I'm hoping you give me some advice on this issue!
You may remember the work I did digitising the Coat of Arms and Flag of Serbia 1941-44? Well as you probably also know both DIREKTOR and PANONIAN created their own derived versions of my SVG version and are currently in an edit war trying to get the other's version deleted!
But the issue is neither of them are describing their versions as coming from mine. Instead they refer back to the JPG versions and claim they created the SVG version. Quoting from the description:
This is a retouched picture, which means that it has been digitally altered from its original version. Modifications: Created SVG version. The original can be viewed here: Flag_of_serbia_1941_1944.JPG. Modifications made by DIREKTOR.
Mine are either not mentioned or are listed as "alternate versions", when they are really the source.
Surely the source for a derived fx should be the file you used, not the file that the previous one was derived from? Can you give me some advice? Am I correct? If so what can I do about getting it fixed? I tried correcting the descriptions of the two files but DIREKTOR reverted my changes. Here is an example DIFF,
SUMMARY
DIREKTOR Versions:
File:GNS_Flag.svg File:GNS_CoA.svg
PANONIAN Versions:
File:S_Flag.svg File:S_CoA.svg
My original versions:
File:Coat_of_arms_of_serbia_1941_1944_vectorised.svg File:Flag_of_serbia_1941_1944_vectorised.svg
XrysD ( talk) 10:58, 15 September 2011 (UTC)
During the Mihailović mediation, we agreed to discuss two additional topics on the article talk page: 1) Ethnic conflict and terror tactics, and, 2) Collaboration. The former was completed some time ago. Nuujinn has now drafted a proposed section on the latter subject. I am contacting mediation participants, and others who commented on the article talk page post mediation, to see if they wish to comment. The draft can be found here. Any comments would be most appreciated. Sunray ( talk) 23:52, 6 November 2011 (UTC)
You may be interested in this. Peter jackson ( talk) 17:55, 24 November 2011 (UTC)
hi fainites, can you please cast your fairly skeptical eyes over the Neuro-linguistic programming article and the editors. I don't think has been much of an effort toward creating a page in line with WP:NPOV. It appears that a couple editors have just taken over the article and discussion to push their own POV. -- 122.108.140.210 ( talk) 06:04, 10 December 2011 (UTC)
Dear Fainites,
My name is Jonathan Obar user:Jaobar, I'm a professor in the College of Communication Arts and Sciences at Michigan State University and a Teaching Fellow with the Wikimedia Foundation's Education Program. This semester I've been running a little experiment at MSU, a class where we teach students about becoming Wikipedia administrators. Not a lot is known about your community, and our students (who are fascinated by wiki-culture by the way!) want to learn how you do what you do, and why you do it. A while back I proposed this idea (the class) to the community HERE, where it was met mainly with positive feedback. Anyhow, I'd like my students to speak with a few administrators to get a sense of admin experiences, training, motivations, likes, dislikes, etc. We were wondering if you'd be interested in speaking with one of our students.
So a few things about the interviews:
Bottom line is that we really need your help, and would really appreciate the opportunity to speak with you. If interested, please send me an email at obar@msu.edu (to maintain anonymity) and I will add your name to my offline contact list. If you feel comfortable doing so, you can post your name
HERE instead.
If you have questions or concerns at any time, feel free to email me at obar@msu.edu. I will be more than happy to speak with you.
Thanks in advance for your help. We have a lot to learn from you.
Sincerely,
Jonathan Obar -- Jaobar ( talk) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Chlopeck ( talk • contribs) 23:23, 14 February 2012 (UTC)
Hi Fainites. I have joined the discussion you created on the Attachment theory talk page regarding the edit I made to the article. I have tried to explain my reasoning in making that edit, and hope that you might find yourself able to agree with the broad gist of it. I would be grateful if you could take a look on the talk page there and give your thoughts, and suggest a way to proceed. Many thanks. DMSchneider ( talk) 10:48, 26 February 2012 (UTC)
Where are you? We can't have our single psych FA deteriorting!!! SandyGeorgia ( Talk) 21:00, 27 February 2012 (UTC)
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Hi,
Someone is making subtle edits to Attachment theory that change the meaning, sometimes to the opposite of what is meant. [55] Hope this helps. Best wishes, MathewTownsend ( talk) 14:29, 24 August 2012 (UTC)
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DEAR FINITES! I have posted the following on the talk page of Attachment theory. Clarifying the issue of attachment would greatly improve the article. It would make the meaning of attachment much clearer.
I refer you to Chapter 11 of Bowlby's Attachment--The Child's Tie to his Mother: Attachment Behavior. Specifically the first two subheadings.
The first--Alternative theories--briefly describes psychoanalytic writings on a child's response to separation or loss and states his is "a new theory" (p. 177)and "The hypothesis to be advanced here is different.." (p. 179). But he does mention sucking and clinging as "closest to the hypothesis now proposed.." He then mentions "five patterns of behavior--sucking, clinging, following, crying and smiling, which between the ages of 9 and 18 months, "usually become incorporated into a far more sophisticated goal-corrected systems" Maintaining proximity is the goal.
In the next subheading--Attachment behavior and its place in nature-- he draws an analogy between birds and mammals and between imprinting and attachment. He specifically describes ground dwelling birds compared to tree nesting birds--and herd animals that maintain proximity by walking shortly after birth and most primates that can sustain their weight by clinging in comparison to rodents and carnivores that are blind and helpless at birth, gorillas that can't sustain their weight at birth and humans who are "born so very immature." All of these latter must depend on their mother figure to maintain proximity at first. Bowlby mentions in various places throughout the book that the mother also seeks and/or maintains proximity, especially in response to danger or to the infant's distress--not just to danger but also pain or hunger. This was true for many thousands of years and only in the last few hundred years have large houses, cribs and bottles become common, allowing the mother to walk away from their baby, leaving them in a safe place. The problem Bowlby faced was that, although most people--even casual observers--had seen human and animal babies following their mother, they did not relate those other behaviors--sucking and crying at birth, and smiling and clinging, as liable to promote the mother seeking proximity. In fact these behaviors have been left out of the definition of attachment and the definition of attachment has been restricted to the infant physically seeking proximity when they develop mobility. But in the above cited chapter and in other places in the book Bowlby mentions that attachment behavior in seeking proximity is a reciprocal behavior.--Margaret9mary (talk) 17:55, 31 October 2012 (UTC)I will edit this later to make it briefer and clearer.--Margaret9mary (talk) 17:55, 31 October 2012 (UTC)-- Margaret9mary ( talk) 18:03, 31 October 2012 (UTC)
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Only when reading the recent Signpost did I realise your role in creating a good proportion of the current FA content on Psychology. Since that work took place when this barnstar didn't exist, justice requires that...
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Awarded to Fainites in recognition of past and ongoing work improving Wikipedia's Psychology articles to the highest quality. MartinPoulter ( talk) 21:05, 30 August 2010 (UTC) |
Oh wow! Thanks! Though Rudolf Wolters was not psychology. Does this mean you have to make it proportionately smaller? Fainites barley scribs 21:52, 30 August 2010 (UTC)
For the lovely vote :) and for the comment on my stupid poetry :):) Best Wifione ....... Leave a message 19:55, 15 September 2010 (UTC)
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Fainites, I thank you for the input, and especially the respectful and polite way in which you have imparted it. I will take your words under advisement in the future. Also, regarding my use of the word "lazy", I have issued an apology to Malleus [3]. Once again, I thank you for your polite and respectful advice, -- Cirt ( talk) 07:01, 16 October 2010 (UTC)
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I, -- Cirt ( talk), award The Random Acts of Kindness Barnstar to Fainites, for the polite and kind tone in which you have imparted constructive criticism to me. I really appreciate that. A lot. It meant a lot to me. And I will do my best to learn from your advice in the future. Thank you very much. Yours, -- Cirt ( talk) 17:51, 17 October 2010 (UTC) |
Hi, as this user has not withdrawn their statement telling me to go **** myself at WQA, it might appear to be stirring things up for me to contact them on their talk page, however the current user page User:Rinpoche does not meet the guidelines of User pages unless it is clear that s/he is applying a recognized Dispute resolution process. Could you please take a look and advise me on the best action to take here? Thanks, Fæ ( talk) 07:23, 20 October 2010 (UTC)
User:RankinUberall. Quack quack quack. 75.102.215.59 ( talk) 23:03, 22 October 2010 (UTC)
Hey, I have left a reply on the page for you. Jayy008 ( talk) 23:11, 23 October 2010 (UTC)
As of right now, I've removed/replaced/fixed all but two of the problematic images. The first is
File:The British Empire.png (the infobox image) - "Maps can be copyrighted (see commons:Commons:Image casebook#Maps and satellite images). Unless the maps in those books were not copyrighted (either using public domain maps or creation from data sets), retracing them would be a copyright violation." The second is
File:British Empire 1897.jpg - "Link does not show or help to verify this map was created or published in 1897. Neither does it help to verify {{
PD-old}}
since the cartographer might have created this map at the age of 25 and lived till he was 80 (1952), which would not be 70 years ago." If you can come up with a way to fix those two problems (or find good replacements), then I think all the image issues would be addressed. However, that's assuming the images in the article remain static - I've already
reverted the re-addition of some problematic images. Other than that, I think all the sourcing stuff is already done, so we should be good to go.
Nikkimaria (
talk) 14:55, 24 October 2010 (UTC)
{{
PD-US-1923-abroad}}
.
Nikkimaria (
talk) 19:00, 24 October 2010 (UTC) Edit: I think {{
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would also apply, and that means the map would be suitable for Commons.
Nikkimaria (
talk) 19:01, 24 October 2010 (UTC)
Great! Is the BOTs image from the same base map as the lead image? Nikkimaria ( talk) 18:47, 29 October 2010 (UTC)
I don't know if there is a rule. But you could ask somebody at Wikiproject:Television. They're always very helpful. What they'll say if use final ratings (I'm guessing). It's just using the average is what's done, and what's always been done. If you say 2.05, it's inaccurate because that's only the first half of the episode, so that needs to be specified when using it. When ratings are calculated, they use the average viewers for the full episode. TVBTN gives you more information for the tv obsessives like myself. Do you want me to ask at the project for you and point you to the discussion when it's done? Jayy008 ( talk) 18:52, 24 October 2010 (UTC)
Yes, Fainites, that is okay. Jappalang ( talk) 22:24, 26 October 2010 (UTC)
Unfortunately for File:British Decolonisation in Africa.png, the base map you suggest traces to File:Commonwealth Realms map.png, which does not provide any sources for how it was made (replication of "free" maps or created from co-ordinate datasets). Jappalang ( talk) 02:12, 28 October 2010 (UTC)
Thank you, for your positive comments about my work, in the deletion discussion for the article Werner Erhard vs. Columbia Broadcasting System at the AFD page Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Werner Erhard vs. Columbia Broadcasting System. Your comments are most appreciated. Thanks again, -- Cirt ( talk) 18:40, 11 November 2010 (UTC)
A party with a COI brought this to WP:BLPN. Thoughts? -- Cirt ( talk) 21:56, 11 November 2010 (UTC)
Hi! Thank you for your comment. Can you show me what division of wikiipedia you are talking about and walk me through the process? Thanks, Carolyn Baker III ( talk) 02:28, 12 November 2010 (UTC)
Dear Fainties:
Thank you for your easy to follow instructions on hot to bust creeps and sockpuppet. So are you like, encouraging me to post a sockpuppet denunciation on Matthew I. Gnash? I totally will if you want me to. All the best, Carolyn Baker III ( talk) 13:49, 12 November 2010 (UTC)
Hi. Thanks for your message. I'm not surprised. Give them enough rope.....etc etc! I was watching to see what "she" did but usually I miss the denouments being on UK time! Best of luck. Fainites barley scribs 12:57, 13 November 2010 (UTC)
Well said ! Bishonen | talk 00:23, 14 November 2010 (UTC).
y did you delete page u fukin nazi do u support nazi peoples? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 174.59.68.58 ( talk) 22:08, 27 November 2010 (UTC)
Why do u continue to remove relevant and appropriately sourced material? Isn't that considered bad faith and an edit war??? 206.217.67.66 ( talk) 03:14, 28 November 2010 (UTC)
Thanks for the input and the welcome links!
I did not remove any content though, simply changed some locations to make the article better readable. Most important I moved the part about assesment to a section of it's own, and wrote a small part about the difference between tests and questionnaires and DIF. —Preceding unsigned comment added by MethAdvice2010 ( talk • contribs) 00:27, 2 December 2010 (UTC)
Howdy Fainites. The name you're speaking of is TharkunColl. GoodDay ( talk) 10:28, 6 December 2010 (UTC)
The first time, you had it ThurkinColl. GoodDay ( talk) 10:45, 6 December 2010 (UTC)
I have Iran-Iraq War on my watch-list, and I noticed that you are removing parties that were associated with Iraq during the war, calling it "controversial" additions that need to be discussed, yet you don't seem bothered about the same type of entries under Iran's side. This seems like a selective POV interpretation of what is and what is not OK. This would be normal if you were acting as just another editor. But that doesn't seem to be your capacity on that page, as you have used your administrative powers to block one of the parties involved in this dispute. Please clarify what your role on that page is, as an administrator can not be involved in in a content dispute , and at the same time, threaten/block the other parties involved. Kurdo777 ( talk) 23:50, 6 December 2010 (UTC)
I am not involved in the content dispute. I blocked Scythian77 for abusive edit summaries, (calling other editors "racist") edit warring and stonewalling attempts to resolve disputes on the talkpage. as can be seen from the block summary. He called other editors "racist" more than once. I have no idea whether he is right or not about the content but no doubt if he is right he could produce sources to say so. Very shortly afterwards IPs started making the same edits. On the not unreasonable assumption that it might be related I removed those edits with the advice to discuss it on the talkpage. This was not done at the time. If you say there is more edit warring/abuse/disruptive editing going on there now by all means take it to ANI so it can be looked at. Believe me, Kurdo, I hold no brief for either side. If you say properly sourced information is being kept out and improperly sourced information is being kept in, I would be happy to look at the situation if the relevent sources are clearly set out on the talkpage but I am unlikely to have the sources available to me unless they are on the internet. Fainites barley scribs 12:05, 7 December 2010 (UTC)
Hi Fainites, I just spotted a comment of yours in the atheist/agnostic discussion at BLPN which I missed at the time. You were referring to the EB definition of atheists:
Note that the same Britannica page also provides a definition for nonreligious/agnostic, a category which includes nonbelievers:
So they make a subtle distinction between disbelief and nonbelief, seeing the former as a more definite stance on the issue than disinterest. I would have mentioned that at the time had I seen your comment. Best, -- JN 466 17:21, 8 December 2010 (UTC)
Can you find the last SPI report related to PranakanLegion's edits? -- Ronz ( talk) 16:30, 11 December 2010 (UTC)
To clear any confusion, I had an edit conflict with you at Attachment-based therapy (children) that wasn't flagged. Makes for a confusing edit summary when you got your edit in there before mine without my knowledge. -- Ronz ( talk) 16:34, 11 December 2010 (UTC)
Filing a SPI report was probably the best step to take, given the extent of the past problems. -- Ronz ( talk) 17:26, 13 December 2010 (UTC)
I don't know if you've been keeping an eye on Eickman's talk page since you blocked him, but the personal attacks have kept on going.
St Anselm ( talk) 05:58, 14 December 2010 (UTC)
Thanks for your help with this. I appreciate the time you spent. What frustrates me is that there's typically only ever one editor interested in any given situation, so you had to take the load and it could only be dealt with as fast as you were able. Most admins just don't seem to bother with disruptive editors because it's too much hard work.-- Taiwan boi ( talk) 01:18, 19 December 2010 (UTC)
I have no objection to a discussion with the editor in question. I just want to make sure that he understands that he cannot add his own opinions or interpretations to articles. --- RepublicanJacobite The'FortyFive' 01:21, 30 December 2010 (UTC)
I just wanted to thank you. I was thinking to leave a much wider explanation on the ANI report page, but then I saw that it was quite long. However, I do feel that it could be benefitial, and I would like to have it exposed somewhere, so I honestly hope you want mind I post it here. This was my report:
"Regarding the issue itself, I would like to stress out, just for the future record, the following: here on WP there are two kinds of NPOV editors, the ones that edit too positively, and the ones that edit too negatively. Let me please explain myself, and the reason why do I find the second one much more offensive. This user has donne an incredible effort to, beside glorifying his "side", completely carnish the other. The method used is to massively edit all related articles, following by an intense protection of the same, reaching or being very close to the breaking of the WP:OWN policy. This user could favour "his side", but what is being prejuditial here is that beside that, he is preventing any attempt made by other users to "defend" the "other side" in any way, reverting all positive edits to the other side (even if well sourced). Besides that, he takes enormous advantage because the issue has not receved much interess lately, and the few editors mostly without much experience (or non at all) are promtly and severely reverted by this user and ridiculously accused of suckpoppetry (not even one suckpuppet has existed on this lately). Going to the exemples from articles, the "nazyfication" of the Yugoslav monarchic movement and their leader has been massively donne by the user, beside being very clear to all that the movement has been the allied of US, Britain and France troughout most of the war, the exception being the final year and because the other side was being more effective and had the support of the Soviets ending to win the war. So, this user, beside most of the content in the articles being highly NPOV and edited by him, should be quite "happy" in having the monarchists listed in the Axis side, but further, he is blocking any attempt to list them in the "Allied" side as well! Despite being they a "resistance" movement, having been officially allies for most of the time in the war, having receved directives from London, and beside the high condecorations that Mihailovic receved for his efforts in the struggle against the Axis, most even post-mortum, meaning that were unninfluenced by the events in the war. This obviously is making many people to be quite shocked when finding this in WP articles, and most of them end up being roughly reverted and treatened, giving up, wrongly thinking that this must be some "purpously politically" oriented move that WP supports. So, the inclusion of the movement and Mihailovic in the "Axis" section is already hard to accept, but their exclusion from the "Allied" section is very serious disruption. Further, when the user is confronted, he promtly uses provocation, and purpously tries to make all look some "Balkan nationalism" while the only one "Balkanically" behaving here is himself. Instead of appreciating an automatic neutral approach that most of this users had used (including myself) by leaving the movement and their leader in both sides (because the issue is actually controversial), this user reverts all that doesn´t include the nazyfication of them. Even in the mediation itself, the collaboration donne by the movement has been described as occasional and oportunistic, and this clearly users knows this but chooses to ignore it. That occasional and oportunistic collaboration has given him the "right" to include them in the Axis side, but the nature of the movement, the fact that they were the recognised allies for most of the war, and all high condecorations doesn´t allow them to be in the Allied side"? The move request can demonstrate this as well, because he wants to rename a "wide range" article (Yugoslav Front), to the name of the struggle that only "his side" addopted during the war this way preventing any editing of anything alse but his rethoric. Please see the number of times this user has had problems before, the number of reverts that he has donne in that and other related articles, and the nature of them, and everything will be easily clear. I apologise for the long comment but I´m feeling that the situation here is perhaps hard to understand when not involved in it, and some explanation can be helpfull."
I apologise for leaving this entire explanation here, but I am having much trouble of dealing with this behavior, and it has been a serios problem in all related articles because is making many users just give up on editing on this, and that ends up being very prejuditial, and leaves all this articles with only one POV rethoric. FkpCascais ( talk) 02:12, 9 January 2011 (UTC)
Fainites, since Fkp seems intent on editing the article (and you may rest assured the edits will undoubtedly be disputed), I would like to repeat my request that the article be restored and protected for the time being until the RM is concluded. Would you consider this? The article is only stable at this time due to good will on my part. I admit I strognly feel that neither should good will be exploited, nor edit-warring be rewarded thusly as a means of pushing through changes in an article. -- DIREKTOR ( TALK) 11:39, 10 January 2011 (UTC)
I apologise to expose the issue here, but I need admin advice. Following your guidance, I made 3 proposals on how to make the infobox more correct. My first question is if you don´t mind my approach and possibly support me on this at least to put it on vote. The second question has to do with the ignorance I´m receving regarding my proposals (participants are present but ignoring the vote and distracting with other, not so urgent issues), and I am suspecting that the ignoring of them is done on bad-faith. I´m only asking for a simple yes or no answer for each and a reasoning for the oposition, if existing. Could you please support me on this by asking the intervenients to at least respect my efforts and answer to me? FkpCascais ( talk) 18:35, 11 January 2011 (UTC)
FYI, the idea of renaming/returning the article to Yugoslavia in World War II has been presented as a third option at the the move discussion for Yugoslav Front.-- Labattblueboy ( talk) 14:31, 12 January 2011 (UTC)
Concerning my comment on GiovBag's talk page, I sustain my thinking on the matter. If I have violated some WP's policy, do what you consider it is proper to do in such a case. On the vandalism on both his user and talk pages, I think it is quite inadeccuate but I don't know who might have done it. He probably annoyed someone else with his edits in some of the articles on White people.-- Pablozeta ( talk) 15:53, 12 January 2011 (UTC)
Regarding your revdel on that article, the single revdel was not enough as the name was not removed until later edits. You need to revdel all edits up to the point where the content was removed. -- Gogo Dodo ( talk) 23:51, 12 January 2011 (UTC)
Faintes, I think that after a year of inane nonsense its high time someone finally explained to fkp that his own personal disagreement is not alone something that should influence discussions. This absurdity has to come to an end sometime. The way the ridiculous, year-long mediation has been (mis)handled is this: unless both sides agree, we can't move on. This unbelievable method has enabled Fkp to simply ignore any and all sources - by simply disagreeing :). The whole thing should have been over after a week. A metric TON of sources stands now listed in the mediation describing in full the MASSIVE extent of the Serbian Chetnik collaboration - yet a couple of Serbian users have been (amazingly) allowed to essentially make a mockery of WP:V and ignore sources at will. The stupidity behind this is staggering, and is the primary reason for my short fuse on this talkpage. Instead of determining the WP:NPOV on the basis of actual sources, the inane personal views of involved users were taken into account.
To put it simply: if the sources say the chetniks collaborated - the Chetniks collaborated. Call me arrogant, but my powers of diplomacy have long been expended in this matter: Fkp is dead wrong, I am right. He "personally disagrees" with the sources, he "refuses to agree"? All I can do is play a sombre tune for him on the world's smallest violin. :). -- DIREKTOR ( TALK) 15:23, 15 January 2011 (UTC)
Hope I'm not nagging, but if you'll notice the article has not only been sporting the sock's version all this time, but is also continuously being edited by the SPA. Now, while I'm sure the SPA could not care less about a block or 3RR (those being the benefits of sockpuppeteering), this should not be used as a tool for pushing edits through. I could edit war now, and of course get blocked, if that's what it will take to protect the article, but I'm kind of hoping that won't be necessary to help you enforce an end to edit-pushing and restore the sourced version. :) -- DIREKTOR ( TALK) 17:32, 15 January 2011 (UTC)
Fainites, the inter-wiki links you restored are wrong and they were purpously done on behalve of direktor just to demonstrate a point and to support the move request. FkpCascais ( talk) 12:06, 16 January 2011 (UTC) P.S.: Direktor, he never deniyed he was a sock because probably he doesn´t even know what that is. Want to bet how he isn´t? And, when was the last sock that ever appeared on these articles? Was it ever from a Serbian user? FkpCascais ( talk) 12:09, 16 January 2011 (UTC) Fainites, how was that user blocked for a week because he reverted direktor, that was actually the one that reverted several editors, non of them actually edit-warring? Fainites, you already wrongly reverted me once, now you protected wrong information insisted only by direktor. Please explain yourself. FkpCascais ( talk) 12:17, 16 January 2011 (UTC)
To take you to ANI I need to clarify things here first, and I am giving you a chance to rectify you eventual error. When I asked you to be clear regarding User:Слободни умјетник´s edit-warring you responded me by including all his reverts on that article, which includes four reverts he made until 8th January and for which he has been blocked by you already on that day. Now, as all we know, nobody can be blocked twice for same reasons, and I knew that, so that is why I asked you which exact edit-warring was the one that made him being awarded with another (this time much heavier, one week) block? The last one? P.S.: We are talking about the sources on articles talk page, so please leave this conversation free of article content subject, so we don´t unecessarily double the same conversation. FkpCascais ( talk) 10:41, 17 January 2011 (UTC)
Fkp - he made the same edit to the infobox, having already been blocked once for edit warring. Right in the middle of the ongoing discussion! Fainites barley scribs 11:46, 17 January 2011 (UTC)
Yes Fainites, direktor reverted all other users as well. And, no, C didn´t edit-warred this time, he only reverted direktor, who actually started edit-warring again, just as he continuosly does in other related articles, as here where he even ignores a recomendation of yours, and names a user "sock" knowing that he can´t do it until confirming it. FkpCascais ( talk) 12:35, 17 January 2011 (UTC)
I have already provided you many times diffs and other comlains regarding disruptive behavior by direktor, but strangly you never "gett it", but no problem, I will again. Слободни умјетник has donne only 2 edits in the article after the block he receved from you: the first one where he didn´t edited the infobox, but only corrected the Serbian language version in the other languages section, and the second one where he did not edited the infobox, as you conveniently and wrongly want to show, but has just reverted the reverting of several users done by direktor in the previos edit, as seen in the same diff. Anyway, if you consider this two edits worth a one week blocking of the user, how is that you don´t consider worth blocking direktor´s behavior? I´ll number all complains I donne to you regarding direktor: you fogive him all edit warring done on January 8th, as seen in article´s edit history, thus, he was not carefull and he reverted 4 users and one bot in this edit, following another revert (clear edit-warring) just next! Adding to this, an edit war he made on a related template against, again, several other users with this reverting (joining ethnical prejudice comment with it, plus a much more serios phalse acusation of "socking" totaly ignoring your previos advice regarding the sock issue provided by you to him here), followed by more edit-warring. If we join all this to several acusations of ethnical nature provided by direktor on the discussions taking place on Talk:Yugoslav Front that I asked several times to be stoped that you allways ignored, plus clear CANVASSING that he made [10], well, how is that you find direktors behavior forgivable and worth ignoring, while you had used your administrative tools in a severe way against User:Слободни умјетник for a reason I still can´t see? FkpCascais ( talk) 20:38, 17 January 2011 (UTC)
You are talking about direktor, right? He begin the edit war again, as seen by diffs, so C was blocked instead of direktor, see? FkpCascais ( talk) 09:08, 19 January 2011 (UTC)
Rather fascinating, isn't it? This thread may serve as a good general example of 1) why noone wants to take the time to put an end to this particularly nasty Balkans nationalist problem, and 2) why my demeanour is so abrasive, and my patience so thoroughly worn. Imagine a year of this... o_O
P.S. Fkp seems to be itching to edit the article. The sock likely could not care less if he gets blocked. I expect the disputed edits will be promptly restored upon the article's un-protection. -- DIREKTOR ( TALK) 13:31, 19 January 2011 (UTC)
Hello. This message is being sent to inform you that there currently is a discussion at Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents regarding an issue with which you may have been involved. Thank you.
Fainites, I'm assuming here you may be willing to get into this obscure issue independently and a tad more thoroughly. You may get a better understanding of "where I'm coming from". In order to gain some insight into the full extent of Chetnik collaboration (and form an opinion of your own regarding its extent), you may want to read Chapter 7, "Chetniks and the Foreign Enemy" of The Chetniks by Prof. Tomasevich - you can find it here:
[11], its in English, and, if I'm not mistaken, its entirety of it is available for free. The chapter deals specifically with the subject of this discussion.
As for Tomasevich, you may note that The Chetniks is the only detailed work of comparable quality focusing exclusively on the (relatively obscure) matter of the Chetniks. His are reliable, peer-reviewed (Stanford) university publications, very detailed, and of very high quality. They are a delight to read to anyone mired in the frightful bog of Balkans history, as they are teeming with primary sources - I feel safe to say that virtually nothing the author states is without direct backing.
I have included this in my talkpage post, but consider this a personal link service. To be perfectly honest, an admin willing to do a quick read into the Chetniks mess would to me feel like winning the lottery. ^_^ I'm thoroughly exhausted trying to reason with these folks, and my patience has been ground wafer-thin (as you may have noticed). -- DIREKTOR ( TALK) 13:12, 17 January 2011 (UTC)
I left a sorry and makeup message on Aleenf1's talk page but he responded saying no to collaborating and saying I ruined his reputation. What should I do? Intoronto1125 ( talk) 01:51, 18 January 2011 (UTC)
Just to let you know, you've been mentioned on ANI. — HelloAnnyong (say whaaat?!) 15:49, 20 January 2011 (UTC)
Could you give me advice on how to deal with a troublesome IP? An anonymous IP on the Croat–Bosniak War article and talkpage continues to deny a university publication as a reliable source and simply reiterates his own opinion on the talk page. He continues to remove referenced information and replaces it with his own POV. I'm wary on how to deal with such situations since I received a block for reverting what I thought was blatant vandalism in a previous incident. -- ◅PRODUCER ( TALK) 12:09, 26 January 2011 (UTC)
Hi. I did not uploaded that file at commons! This is done by someone else [12]. I am the file placed on sr-wiki and there is a the permission (GNU Free Documentation License) for this file [13].-- Свифт ( talk) 14:09, 26 January 2011 (UTC)
This is the translation:
You have permission to download materials from the site looked, specifying the sources. I hope that the right to revise the material means that in this case, we will not remain as a source? Eg. our source is that the Chetniks defeated at the Battle of Neretva. If someone to edit and write that the defeated partisans, should not remain that this is our source.
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We'd still need Ustaše and Italian pics... :) -- DIREKTOR ( TALK) 19:27, 26 January 2011 (UTC)
Hi! Since you've been identified as an Awesome Wikipedian, I wanted to let you know about the Wikipedia Ambassador Program, and specifically the role of Online Ambassador. We're looking for friendly Wikipedians who are good at reviewing articles and giving feedback to serve as mentors for students who are assigned to write for Wikipedia in their classes.
If that sounds like you and you're interested, I encourage you to take a look at the Online Ambassador guidelines; the "mentorship process" describes roughly what will be expected of mentors during the current term, which started in January and goes through early May. If that's something you want to do, please apply!
You can find instructions for applying at WP:ONLINE. The main things we're looking for in Online Ambassadors are friendliness, regular activity (since mentorship is a commitment that spans several months), and the ability to give detailed, substantive feedback on articles (both short new articles, and longer, more mature ones).
I hope to hear from you soon.-- Sage Ross - Online Facilitator, Wikimedia Foundation ( talk) 18:28, 2 February 2011 (UTC)
What the hey, I'll try petitioning you directly. Could you pls revert the latest edits by an IP at the Chetniks article and semi-protect it for a short while? A persistent IP user has arrived, altered sourced text without discussion and is attempting to keep his changes in by simply edit-warring. The text in question is a direct representation of the listed references, and has been long-established by user consensus (after gruelling, grinding discussions). -- DIREKTOR ( TALK) 01:07, 5 February 2011 (UTC)
And bah, I just realized I'm now kinda stalking you. Whee, how creepy. Anyway ^ still is true, also I'm f-g good at cleanup job and it's just a fact - Fainites you can go and compare just this article before and after. -- 94.246.150.68 ( talk) 02:59, 5 February 2011 (UTC)
Hey there Fainites. First off, thanks for dealing with User1389 over at the ANI report. Unfortunately as you've already noticed there have been a string of recent IP address "users"... probably User1389 judging from the edits, reverting the same content. Assuming User1389 continues their disruptive ways after their block is over, what other course of action can be taken? Frankly I can't keep up nor do I want to engage in an edit war with anonymous IP addresses over the same 4 ( 1, 2, 3, 4) articles over and over. Buttons ( talk) 05:41, 6 February 2011 (UTC)
Every months there's another one... If someone wants to preserve what's left of these Chetnik-related articles, he's supposed to engage in these nonsense discussions and repeat the same basic stuff over and over and over again. They're gonna lock me up.. I'm gonna end up like Nicholson in The Shining, writing on my typewriter.. scholarly sources, scholarly sources, no links, no links, scholarly, published, no OR, no links, scholarly.... xP -- DIREKTOR ( TALK) 21:55, 7 February 2011 (UTC)
Are you okay, Fainites? After weeks of your responding within hours to everything I wrote on the Talk page of Attachment theory and now four whole days have passed...!
I have found on p. 244 of Bowlby's Attachment a summary of what he was saying earlier in the book in which he includes crying and calling in attachment behavior. (see AT Talk page).
After puzzling over these last 2 months I've realized that systems theory--what JB called "control" systems theory--is what's missing from most of the secondary sources. (the index makes clear he is talking about feedback as a form of control). Explaining systems theory is a major problem--Bowlby dedicated over 2/5 of the book to it and Gregory Bateson spent many more years than Bowlby in trying to define systems theory/cybernetics. But it's hard to translate nonlinear thinking into linear language. It's an entirely different way of seeing and analyzing. As a nonlinear cross-disciplinary thinker myself I've seen up close the difficulties all my life. (So I wasn't misunderstanding what Bowlby was saying--I was hearing more of what he way saying).
Systems thinking can be compared to a tennis match--one doesn't watch just one player, but watches the ball and how the two players interact with it.
That's one reason why Bowlby goes back and forth between humans and animals--he's comparing similarities AND differences, drawing parallels and differentiating.
In systems theory--
Re:
Wikipedia:Wikiquette alerts#User:Bobthefish2
In the past, I regret failing to do enough to oppose harassment in the form of baiting.
I responded to Bobthefish2's new gambit here at Senkaku Islands dispute by posting this:
WP:AGF is drained of meaning by
WP:POKING
WP:BAITING -- see context
here +
here which justifies
zero tolerance.
This makes me sad. I didn't understand.-- Tenmei ( talk) 20:25, 21 February 2011 (UTC)
This is kindá related to the subjects we have been dealing with. Would you mind if I ask you for advice? FkpCascais ( talk) 20:58, 26 February 2011 (UTC)
I actually moved DIREKTOR's post up since he was addressing PANONIAN and not Fkp's down. I didn't think people would actually complain over something so miniscule as moving a post. -- ◅PRODUCER ( TALK) 11:53, 2 March 2011 (UTC)
It's just one of those things that gets to people sometimes. Fainites barley scribs 13:17, 2 March 2011 (UTC)
Hello - regarding the closed discussion on Noticeboards, it appears to be continuing past the closure. I posted a reply right after it was closed and before I noticed it and would be happy to delete it and, obviously, refrain from further posting since the discussion has been closed. However, Bugs is now posting multiple comments about me that are patently not true (e.g. "posting a userbox threatening to report other editors that he considers to be anti-Gadaffi") and I feel compelled to defend myself against since they will become part of the permanent record. I don't even know what to request at this point. I'm at a loss at what to do about Bugs. My participation in Wikipedia seems to attract him through some force of compulsion despite the fact I never initiate interaction with him. Felixhonecker ( talk) 00:01, 4 March 2011 (UTC)
Did you send me an e-mail? If so, thanks for the reminder. Question--can I delete something I wrote on another person's user page? It would take me ages to find the answer to that. Margaret9mary ( talk) 23:16, 5 March 2011 (UTC)
Did you send me an email? If so, thanks for the reminder. Can I delete something I've posted on another person's user talk? I don't know where to find out the answer to that. Margaret9mary ( talk) 23:08, 5 March 2011 (UTC)
Yeah - that was my e-mail. You can delete something you've written but it will still show up in the record if anybody looks. If you have a good reason for wanting to remove it permanently it can be "oversighted", ie removed permananetly. This is usually for things like disclosing personal information about people or libellous remarks or that kind of thing. You shouldn't delete things people have already replied to generally though. You can e-mail me and tell me what the problem is and I'll have a look. Cheers. Fainites barley scribs 10:30, 6 March 2011 (UTC)
Was it this ? Fainites barley scribs 10:35, 6 March 2011 (UTC)
Thanks for the tip. Rodhull andemu 19:52, 12 March 2011 (UTC)
LoL, I tend to agree agree with this fella. Restore the pre-edit-war version? You know I'm still pretty confused as to what exactly Tim's complaint is. To top it all off I told the guy I don't mind any changes.. I think he's just angry the whole vote he organized didn't work out the way he planned and the article simply remained the way it was. Wasted effort. I can relate. -- DIREKTOR ( TALK) 21:16, 28 March 2011 (UTC)
The other useful policy is BRD. You have an established version. Someone boldly changes it (E1). An established contributor reverts(E2). Then you discuss. The difficulty with this is the maths. E1 wrongly changes it again without discussing. E2, understandable miffed, reverts again and says please discuss. E1 reverts again. E2 reverts again. At this point, E2 is up to 3 reverts. E1 is not. E1 - who is more in the wrong, will only be up to 3 reverts at his next revert. E1 reverts so they are both on 3RR. At this point, E1 would argue that it would be wrong to block E1 for 3RR, but not E2 who reached 3RR first. On the surface though, the problem is caused by E1 changing an established version and not discussing. However, lets suppose the "established version" is arrant nonsense, protected by edit warriors for years and E1 is adding basic, necessary well sourced information. No admin can always get to the bottom of this on the spot. I suppose that is the thinking behind the strict liability approach to 3RR. Or indeed 8RR as the case may be. Fainites barley scribs 13:46, 29 March 2011 (UTC)
Congradulations. With that post on Talk:Fausto Veranzio you just officially entered the old abandoned battlefield of Dalmatia. Where ghosts of edit-wars past still haunt the living.. A strange, upside-down place, where you are bound to see me called a "Croatian nationalist" :). No, Dalmatia is not a dog, its actually a small region of Croatia (yes that's right, its a small region of a tiny country :)).
In all seriousness, you're seeing the tip of the iceberg there. Dalmatia is a region that was populated by South Slavs since the 8th century AD, the hinterland in particular. However its cities on the Adriatic Sea preserved tehir Roman legacy for some time afterwards. Afterwards the cities were ruled by the Venetian Republic for a long time. In essence what that translates to is a place where the lower classes are Slavic, but the higher classes were Romance by ancestry and were increasingly absorbed by the Slavs. A typical noble from the period speaks Slavic at home but is very fluent in Italian and Latin as well. Now as you can see this is a very fine line. The Slavic argument is that these boys were Slavs since they lived and intermarried in a overwhelmingly Slavic area for hundreds and hundreds of years, while the Italian argument is that they are "Italians by ancestry". Of course, those people are indeed Slavic, are the Monarchs of England Germans then? But the matter is complicated by the fact that these people were known to the outside world by their Italian names (e.g. "Fausto Veranzio"), and that error is only being corrected in scientific usage since WWII. Add to that the fact that, well, Slavic languages are damn near incomprehensible to your average English-speaker :) and you have Italian names out there for people who wrote the first dictionary of the Serbo-Croatian language (Faust Vrančić).
(Incidentally Italy entered WWI on the side of the Allies primarily because the latter had promised them the Slav-poulated region of Dalmatia, they did not get it because of Woodrow Wilson, and the outrage contributed quite a bit to Mussolini's rise to power. Fascist Italy then occupied and annexed Dalmatia during WWII.)
The edit wars and disputes about Dalmatia were.. very bad. We lost a lot of good men there, and PTSD is rampant among the former participants. In the end most of the names are now in Slavic form, and the "Italian side" is indeffed almost to a man. Its been quiet for a long time now, and "Fausto Veranzio" is the only remaining hotspot. -- DIREKTOR ( TALK) 14:18, 29 March 2011 (UTC)
No, no. Reason why I added this list of persons is to show other users who has the most views, and this could show us who is the more "famous". I didn't propose them to infobox, you can read what I wrote. Second, Mile Budak, he was just an example, we can add Jesus Christ. It was not my attention to extend the discussion. Not at all. DIREKTOR thinks I'm a fascist, but I don't give a damn. I just whant to say that Ivana B.M. should be replaced with more "famous" person, since I think that you are adding her just because of her female organs. That's my point. And as you can see, I agree on every person wich you choose, except her. And my oppinion should be considered.
Second, why I wrote "clean" Croats, this means they are Croats from both sides, nothing to do with "aryanism", just DIREKTOR told me that Malkovich is half French, so I wrote for perosns who's Croatian ethnicity could be disputed, that they are "clean" Croats, from both sides.-- Wusten fuchs 09:09, 3 April 2011 (UTC)
I have to ask, what's your current take on the RM at Yugoslav front? Hopefully I've shown that the term does indeed encompass teh entirety of the conflict. Frankly I can't imagine any part that might hypothetically be considered "separate" somehow. Its a very tangled, intertwined war. Fkp is just looking out for the Chetniks' "interests", its what he does. He's also being deliberately vague in his concerns so as to avoid getting immediately proven wrong. On the one occasion he did specify he was talking about the Chetniks (quelle surprise!), it became evident there appear to be more than 250 sources that discuss Chetnik actions as part of the National Liberation War. He says its "like Mars and the Solar System" (how colourful), but he can't seem to show that "Mars" and the "Solar System" are the same thing.
In light of the fact that NLW is not only the most common, but that there really is no other name for the conflict in scholarly use, how can a move possibly be opposed on the grounds of one (clearly very biased) person's uncorroborated claims? Can one really just "proclaim" a title invalid? -- DIREKTOR ( TALK) 21:58, 3 April 2011 (UTC)
A bit of moderation is needed here... Jasper Deng (talk) 05:42, 5 April 2011 (UTC)
It seems Talk:Serbs of Croatia might need some attention. Timbouctou ( talk) 05:18, 6 April 2011 (UTC)
I apologise Fainites, but I need your help. User:PRODUCER is "having fun" by adding the mentioned category and labeling as "Collaborators" a series of biographies that are actually dependent on the outcome of the Mihailovic mediation. The least he could do is respect and wait for the outcome. Can you please help me to stop this rushed "in panic" nazification of several figures. The user should have participated in the mediation, instead of having fun all around editing the same articles. FkpCascais ( talk) 12:27, 6 April 2011 (UTC)
No. -- ◅PRODUCER ( TALK) 11:30, 7 April 2011 (UTC)
This is getting absurd. Timbouctou ( talk) 12:35, 7 April 2011 (UTC)
Since I am apparently unable to have a private discussion here. I have moved the post to my talkpage, Fainites. I have also reported User:Timbouctou for WP:HOUNDING and truly numerous personal attacks [22], something I should have done immediately instead of enduring such unprovoked, continuous abuse. -- DIREKTOR ( TALK) 02:35, 9 April 2011 (UTC)
Hi Fainites, I apologise not having answered to you when you posted your question to me at Serbs of Croatia talk page, but since other wiki and non-wiki issues came up both you and me ended a bit accupied these days. Regarding your question, I think my position is not fully understood. For exemple, we have a text:
Chetnik Chetniković, was a Serbian Chetnik commander.
Now, the already existing sources source the fact that he was the Chetnik commander. I don´t need to search for more sources. Now, if someone edits and adds this:
Chetnik Chetniković, was a Serbian Chetnik commander and a collaborator.
further adding to it a category: Serbian nazy collaborators
well, we see the sources if they source the addition. The person that added the nazy and collaboration acusations is the one needing to have sources to confirm that, and in this case those sources need to be at least clear and reliable (strong) because we are talking about a polemical heavy accusation, couvered by WP:REDFLAG. Now, as I know wikipedia doesn´t prohibit anywhere a person to be simply acting as a defence lawyier, right? I don´t need sources because I am not ading anything, but I can challenge the edits considering that the sources don´t allow the editor to make those additions. That is pretty much my position at Chetniks related articles. There is a difference in the approach. I haven´t been having much time to search more sources and stuff, but also have in mind that I don´t want to leave the impression the sources provided by that user couver his acusations. The editor adding content needs sources.
P.S.: Thank you for finaly making the right decition about an editor that was failing to receve the message when fogiven. If necessary please fell free to contact me in case you need evidence of disruption by that user. I really hope you´ll finaly see that the former Yugoslavia related articles are not full of uncivil editors. If ou notece, when removing the discussions where that participant commented, you´re left with quite normal discussions and mostly normal and civil people. FkpCascais ( talk) 08:14, 10 April 2011 (UTC)
As (un)productive as our exchange may have been, note that word seems to travel rather fast. Already the (rather famous) 151.95.. IP of the banned User:Ragusino is pushing his personal ideas on the Ethnic cleansing article, on the National Memorial Day of the Exiles and Foibe, and the Foibe killings article - of course, sourced in full by some Italian guy's diary. And all today, for some reason. We can expect to see more of that. -- DIREKTOR ( TALK) 18:45, 10 April 2011 (UTC)
(Not sure what you two are actually discussing, I apologise from myself and leave a note here)
I apologise to all about my commets on direktors talk page. I admit my childish mistake of trying to make a point where really isn´t anything to prove. Direktor should also take in consideration that by being topic banned that doesn´t mean he can´t edit other subjects and that he can limit himself to make unfair comments about other users, including actual insults, on his talk page. However, wrong is not fixed with further wrong, or semi wrong, or whatever wrong, so I apologise for my own conduct and send regards to all.
FkpCascais (
talk) 21:59, 10 April 2011 (UTC)
read wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/Macedonia#DIREKTOR restricted recidivism need block?-- Mat003second ( talk) 10:18, 11 April 2011 (UTC)
[23]? You think its Gavrilo Princip talking to us there, or you´re just testing him? :) My belly still hearts of laughing so much... FkpCascais ( talk) 20:10, 12 April 2011 (UTC)
On Friday morning 15 April the International Criminal Tribunal for the former Yugoslavia is scheduled to announce their verdicts in the cases against Mladen Markač, Ante Gotovina and Ivan Čermak, three former high-ranking Croatian military commanders who had been indicted for war crimes during and after the 1995 Operation Storm, a military offensive which ended the Croatian War of Independence. Regardless of the court's ruling some vandalism and maybe IP edit-warring might occur on related articles. Thought you should know. Cheers. Timbouctou ( talk) 10:41, 13 April 2011 (UTC)
Since you are now involved on teh Chetniks article, I'd like to take the liberty of posting Ramet's brief description of the Chetnik movement she uses as the lead for the relevant chapter. The Three Yugoslavias (pp. 145-146) [24].
"Both the Chetniks political program and the extent of their collaboration have been amply, even voluminously, documented; it is more than a bit disappointing, thus, that people can still be found who believe that the Chetniks were doing anything besides attempting to realize a vision of an ethnically homogenous Greater Serbian state, which they intended to advance, in the short run, by a policy of collaboration with the Axis forces. The Chetniks collaborated extensively and systematically with the Italian occupation forces until the Italian capitulation in September 1943, and beginning in 1944, portions of the Chetnik movement of Draža Mihailović collaborated openly with the Germans and Ustaša forces in Serbia and Croatia. Moreover, as already mentioned, the Chetniks loyal to Kosta Pećanac collaborated with the Germans from early in the war. (...) For the Chetniks the war provided an excellent opportunity to put their program into effect, and between autumn 1942 and spring 1943 the Chetniks carried out slaughters of Croatian [and Muslim] civilians in a wave of teror (...) Roatta [General Mario Roatta], commander of the second army, protested these 'massive slaughters' and threatened to cut off Italian supplies and money if Chetnik depradations against noncombatant civilians did not end.."
Mind you, some of these facts are gainsaid by Tomasevich who can (by way of actual records of collaboration agreements) show that the Chetnik-Ustaše collaboration took place since early 1942 in Bosnia, as opposed to after September 1943. -- DIREKTOR ( TALK) 14:35, 13 April 2011 (UTC)
I am not "involved" in any of the articles DIREKTOR and I have Ramet. Please don't use my talkpage to carry on the same old arguments. Thanks. Fainites barley scribs 17:22, 13 April 2011 (UTC)
Fainites, please keep an eye on the articles of Momčilo Đujić and Pavle Đurišić. Fkp is constantly removing information and categories that are backed by reliable references under the false pretense that it's somehow "lead missinformation" or that it's involved in the mediation and non-editable. -- ◅PRODUCER ( TALK) 19:37, 13 April 2011 (UTC)
One side posts a source. The other side either ignores or refuses to accept the source. An edit-war starts over the removal of these sources, and a mediation is started. For one year the mediation carries on in the same pattern: one side posts sources, the other side refuses to accept them ("communist sources!", Ramet, e.g. has already been "dismissed" there before). The mediator, as you say, is not an arbitrator and does/can not really do anything. How to break the deadlock? -- DIREKTOR ( TALK) 21:46, 13 April 2011 (UTC)
I have not seen a translation of that particular book, but Mao-era PRC translations contain some of the most arrant nonsense you'll ever see in print. But it wasn't considered nonsense; the translators and editors thought they were correcting the texts to add information that the religion-addled capitalist running dogs censored out. And the next translation, if there was one, might allege the sheer opposite. (Mao's era was known for wild swings between anti-Western intellectualism and pure anti-intellectualism - many translators later ended up in labour camps charged with counter-revolutionary sentiments simply because they could understand English.) A claim that doctors or scientists were controlled by the Christian church would have been run-of-the-mill, as it denigrated both Western medicine and Western religion and implied that Western science was neither as free nor as scientifically based as Chinese medicine. It's not that I wouldn't be surprised to find that in a PRC translation, it's that I would be very surprised if such claims didn't show up once or twice a chapter or even page in any Mao-era translated scientific text. -- NellieBly ( talk) 23:36, 14 April 2011 (UTC)
Please do something about user John Gradwell and his disruptive editing. [25] [26] [27] [28] -- ◅PRODUCER ( TALK) 23:07, 15 April 2011 (UTC)
What do you need to know? I'm off to the Winnipeg Public Library's main branch next week to return a book and they've got to have better local slang dictionaries there than at even an excellent university library in Portland. I can also see if there's a dictionary of Newfoundland slang if you need it, since Newfoundland English is a different dialect from the rest of North American English. -- NellieBly ( talk) 01:22, 16 April 2011 (UTC)
That would be great. Maybe I was thinking of the Oxford Canadian Dictionary. There is also one called the Dictionary of Canadianisms on Historical Principles (Dictionary of Canadian English). It's published by Gage and written by S. Walters. The editor-in-chief is Avis. It was published in 1967. The 1912 one sounds promising. I would anticipate they only use time-out now - from televised sports, but the original ones would have come over from Britain and then up from the US. Fainites barley scribs 20:37, 16 April 2011 (UTC)
The words "seems to" you removed from the Aloysius Stepinac article are the exact words of prof. Bernd Jurgen Fischer, and represent his assessment of the credibility of such claims of private criticism based the fact that they are founded entirely on unsupported testimony from the archbishop's friends. Such claims should, in fact, probably be removed altogether should we wish to avoid unencyclopedic wording by dabbling in hearsay.
Contrary to what you may have come to believe (and unlike many of my Balkans "colleagues"), I do strive to represent the sources to the best of my ability when I write on Wiki. Belligerence in itself does not mean bias, and a belligerent attitude in defense of sources and objectivity (in an environment where that seems necessary) should IMO be lauded. In any case, unless you are accusing Fischer of POV, I suggest you restore the wording he chose, as opposed to asserting something more strongly than the historian dared. -- DIREKTOR ( TALK) 15:41, 17 April 2011 (UTC)
I followed strictly Wikipedia rules: even-handledly presenting the facts and neutral point of view. As to the 3RR rule, did not think that I violated it. Painting a war criminal as a national hero is yet another nonsense (which Wikipedia rules, certainly, do not support) I tried to counter. But, if you are eager to exercise your admin power, i.e. to block the IP address I'm using now, go ahead. It will be yet another proof that Wikipedia is ruled by idiots, for idiots do not have to follow any rules. -- 71.178.115.169 ( talk) 16:35, 17 April 2011 (UTC)
Fainties, the argument was made in scholarly texts too, and the reference was provided by someone else in the heading paragraph. I reworded my text and provided this different reference. Btw, though I'm no expert and personally certainly have few sympathies with those who want to portray Tito's Partisans as equally criminal to the parties they fought, I see this as a legitimate interpretation which IMO needs to be included to fully appreciate the complexity of the situation in Yugoslavia at the end of WWII. – Miranche T C 01:17, 20 April 2011 (UTC)
I'm at a bit of a crossroads on what to do in this ridiculous situation (see Emir Kusturica and Serbs of Bosnia and Herzegovina) and implementing Wikipedia:BRD. In both cases Fkp introduced an edit, in the Emir Kusturica article he removed "Bosniak descent" from the lead and in the Serbs of Bosnia and Herzegovina article he added Kusturica, after which he was reverted but continues on reverting when discussions are going on. How does one deal with this? -- ◅PRODUCER ( TALK) 22:53, 23 April 2011 (UTC)
If I may make an altogether detached remark. Fkp has a rather bad habbit of following people around and immediately swamping any conversation with his own posts. Just here for example, Producer addressed you yourself, Fainites, no doubt intending to have a (presumably two-sided) conversation with you. Yet very quickly Fkp arrives essentially spreading the debate from some article or other to someone's talkpage. While I am not implying this is anything more than the most basic instinct at work (as opposed to some premeditated "scheme"), what this does is it draws attention from what the original post intended and creates an air of petty conflict discouraging any involvement. It makes it nearly impossible to address anyone with regard to any conflict Fkp is involved in. --
DIREKTOR (
TALK) 02:28, 24 April 2011 (UTC)
Please do something about the Kusturica article. I have asked Fkp to revert his version and he has not. His behavior should not be condoned. -- ◅PRODUCER ( TALK) 13:01, 25 April 2011 (UTC)
Hello, can you please see talk page at Josif Runjanin article?
According to WP:COMMONNAME and WP:NAME i moved this article to Josip Runjanin, but other user, I think PANONIAN has his point of view, so if you can help here so we can solve this problem?-- Wusten fuchs 16:40, 24 April 2011 (UTC)
Not disputing it has political connotations - so therefore didn't quite understand your "not quite James" correction - the silliness does exist on both sides because regardless of what politics one associates with it, the rationales put forward for both add and delete have achieved truly absurdist proportions. I don't enter into critiques of the gaming that goes on generally though - I am appealing for a rules-based approach. If you and other admins would support that, the sniping could be rounded up. Jamesinderbyshire ( talk) 19:42, 24 April 2011 (UTC)
I didn't follow up on your reply on ANI, but you're absolutely right and I was slightly confused by what you wrote. Thanks for clarifying things on my talk page: I am in total agreement with you. Sorry that there was any misunderstanding. I'll add a note on ANI. Cheers, Mathsci ( talk)
Adrian ( talk) 22:20, 25 April 2011 (UTC)
Adrian ( talk) 22:29, 25 April 2011 (UTC)
Hello. I am sorry to bother you, but I am having a real problem trying to discuss the matter on the Iranian Space Agency page. The new editor, who I suspect is the same as the anonymous IP address, is extremely aggressive, and prefers to make threats and accusations, rather than to simply discuss the material presented. I recognize this editor's writing style as well, and I think he is a banned editor. I don't want to fight over edits, but it is difficult to have any constructive input with someone who repeatedly calls you a racist, etc. Any thoughts? The Scythian 21:07, 30 April 2011 (UTC)
The article (like a number of others) suffers from constant sporadic "attacks" by socks of blocked editors (there are very many blocked Italian users that used to frequent these articles). User:Ragusino alone is known to be reponsible for at least some 30-40 socks over the years. Its become a constant chore to check for "clever", thinly-disguised POV. Much of the stuff over there is even now based on non-scholarly publications, essentially Italian right-wing political books, who go so far as to mention figures of 30,000 people. The rest is based entirely on Raoul Pupo, a professor from Trieste itself, who represents the most extreme end on the scale scholars have used on that subject. His rather dubious figure of "5,000" (along with his liberal use of the words "concentration camp") have been criticized by scholars, the "concentration camps" seem to be some sort of a counter to the (non-fictional) Rab and Gonars concentration camps Fascist Italy established on annexed Yugoslav territory for its Slavic subjects. Pupo responded that the figures he use are his estimates on the whole "foibe phenomenon" (which he does not define), and his casualties actually include persons who were deported from Yugoslavia. See e.g. Italian fascism: history, memory, and representation by R. J. B. Bosworth. -- DIREKTOR ( TALK) 17:07, 3 May 2011 (UTC)
problem is of valid sources and in web there are a lot of sites which make only propaganda! In Italian books, victims of foibe are all prisoners of war who were tortured and killed in concentration camps so then somebody estimate also 30.000 victims: in Italian version of article you find this number it:Massacri delle foibe#Quantificazione delle vittime in second line of section, but important historians assert maximum 20.000. Scholars are waiting results by Commission on Concealed Mass Graves in Slovenia. Sure in Croatia never a book was published which filed documentation of massacres or Broz Tito's intention on ethnic cleansing but in Slovenia is different: new democrat Sloven authorities collaborate with Italian historians and politicians and available books you can find in Sloven language but not yet in Croat language. But now in Croatia also democracy go on and later neutral and valid books you can find.-- Zellino ( talk) 16:09, 4 May 2011 (UTC)
This guy? This is
User:Ragusino's sock no.37. :) After 2 years and 40 socks I can practically smell the guy. Plus his trademark English is a dead give-away every time.. A checkuser can confirm it but its not really necessary. The modus operandi is a quick block, this guy is one of the worst sockpuppeteers on Wikipedia, and has been persistently disrupting his way across articles with virtual impunity for years now. A real "zealot", you might say. --
DIREKTOR (
TALK) 19:02, 4 May 2011 (UTC)
Fainites, but really may you believe bungler opinions of this guy who is in persistently edit warring? Sure you know, but remember we did this edit removing 30.000 Italian citizens were killed despite we know sources which assert this number but we know also controversy over this point so better don't focus on all estimates which are only conjectures. Sure we read talk and this guy is present in majority of sections always reporting same bungler opinions: in this example he foils user:JdeJ who is Svedish and not of supposed Italian fanatic bunch; no Italian editor has a fanatic POV but he foils every different opinion from his dogma: but dogma is forbidden in neutral article! We don't live on Mars planet and we know politic-cultural situation in Croatia: we know communist propaganda during Broz Tito's regime wich denied all titoist crimes against prisoners of war and triple ethnic cleansing against Germans, Hungarians and Italian but now Committee for the Marking and Maintenance of Graves from World War II and the Post-war with Sloven and Serb commissions will focus over these matters. Questions are:
Our opinion is: in this project many guys find a battleground for propaganda and conjectures! You are admin and you have a responsability here: sure for us wiki is not very important but we can honestly collaborate. Good luck!-- Zellino ( talk) 09:53, 5 May 2011 (UTC)
Fainites, but who is this figure? We are not 16 people: we are 16 years old! Furthermore in past we read a lot of articles and we know situation here! Other question:
because rarely edits on medical points-- Zellino ( talk) 10:39, 5 May 2011 (UTC)
a) I do not block on demand. b) you are obviously not a newbie student collective (all editing with the same voice). c) it doesn't matter on these articles whether Direktor is a medical student or not. It might matter if he were editing medical articles. I don't edit in my professional area either. c) I work full time. I will look into this in more detail when I have a moment. Fainites barley scribs 11:05, 5 May 2011 (UTC)
we are obviously not newbie students but we study in group: they found books in library and I only edit with suggestions by others. Furthermore our edits have honest behaviour and no edit wars involved our account. As well also us can request ban of this account for suspect socks but we have no time to spend in this strange pastime.-- Zellino ( talk) 11:34, 5 May 2011 (UTC)
if you assert it doesn't matter on these articles whether Direktor is a medical student or not, we can assert: it doesn't matter on these articles whether we are a group of students or not! Other question
If "they" are not socks, then they are meatpuppets - but that is really stretching AGF - which for the purposes of banned editors are counted as the same. As DIREKTOR says, not only concentration upon a very few and specific topics utilising exactly the same source as Ragusino was apt to but also a very clear understanding of WP:SOCK from an account of only a few weeks. I also see attempts to hide edits behind bland edit summaries. Unlike DIREKTOR I have no opinion upon the WP:Due weight to be afforded to the source used (but note that none of these new editors are inclined to discuss these edits on talkpages or elsewhere.) I block on behaviour, which is consistent with Ragusino who is a banned editor. On one or two contributions, outside of the "Italian/Yugoslavia" topics, I have allowed the edits to stand, otherwise they have been rolled back. Review would be welcome. LessHeard vanU ( talk) 11:36, 7 May 2011 (UTC)
you are in total blackout! We request unblock! Is LessHeard vanU drunked or drugged? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 193.206.126.34 ( talk) 09:12, 9 May 2011 (UTC)
Hey,did you get my email? -- NellieBlyMobile ( talk) 22:31, 3 May 2011 (UTC)
Well he's a controversial person, isn't he? Under such conditions he should not be in any infobox. If the croats can claim him, then so can the serbs. Afterall, he has been on the serbian paper money. Case in point - [31]. It is well known that this guy is a prize to anyone who claims him - it's not fair that the croats claim him rather than the other two groups. It's well known that he identified with serbs the most. ( LAz17 ( talk) 15:42, 5 May 2011 (UTC)).
Fainites, unless something's changed that I'm unaware of, User:LAz17 is "topic-banned from all edits relating to the historical demographics of ex-Yugoslavia". See here. -- DIREKTOR ( TALK) 10:40, 6 May 2011 (UTC)
What have I done to be alerted in this way? I just came back change that you delete. I thought that you are the vandal! From this article should not be anything to be deleted before it is completed mediation. There is no reason that we in such a way threaten me, because I did not nothing wrong.-- Свифт ( talk) 19:08, 5 May 2011 (UTC)
I've posted a thread on WP:AN to discuss your recent application of sanctions [34]. Regards, -- DIREKTOR ( TALK) 10:18, 8 May 2011 (UTC)
Re: [35]
PS logged in again and still didn't discuss while reverting the text yet again. They added a new ref which appears to be a wiki of some sort. Strangely, none of the refs (poor or otherwise) used by PS have ever backed the interpretation PS wrote of the Export Land Model (you can see that back in February PS inserted the same OR to that article with no refs as well). I wonder if this isn't some banned user or a trickster of some sort. The other option I see is that this person is trying to redefine the ELM for some reason. Please help oversee this issue, as I will be unavailable for the next 4 weeks. Many thanks. 206.188.61.213 ( talk) 00:06, 14 May 2011 (UTC)
The Barnstar of Diplomacy | ||
For fantastic help in solving longstanding nationalistic issues. Thank you for your kind assistance! WhiteWriter speaks 15:13, 18 May 2011 (UTC) |
Thanks WhiteWriter - though I'm not sure my last post above was very diplomatic. Fainites barley scribs 16:13, 18 May 2011 (UTC)
Hi Fainites. I don't know if this is within your scope of interest but it seems there's an edit war brewing at Zachlumia. Cheers. Timbouctou ( talk) 22:43, 21 May 2011 (UTC)
I do not see why would I get blocked. o.O It's just an opinion you see. And he started the thing.
Mm.srb ( talk) 01:48, 24 May 2011 (UTC)
Hello Fainites, I haven´t been much around lately cause I had some off-wiki matters and I was also a bit of nostalgic about my football stuff. However, I was bold at Yugoslav Front article and after checking all sources I gathered by now I think it is easily conclusible that some things seemed just out of place. I didn´t wanted to go into details because that would obviously mean going into text and adding all what sources say, most of what would mean some major changes in what the current text looks like now, and I simply wanted to postpone it for some other time in future... However some facts are very clear and easily and logically fixable: the fact that Chetniks can´t ever possibly be added to the Axis column, and that simply can´t happend because they were never Axis. The entire words game cleaverly invented by some of the "officially" and "de facto" is just an excuse for not having anything official to use. Also, if there is the addition of the mentioning of collaboration for them, then obviously that the mentioning of resistance is fair for having an POV view on the matter (the previous version uses the already known strategy of saying, in other words, how they were initially resistance however soon they became Axis. Well, wrong, they actually never became part of Axis, and also they never stoped being Allies). But actually, I am not doing anything more than leaving the Chetniks as third party side, even thus possibly failing because they were obviously Allies until 12/1943 ("officially" and "de facto"). We can discuss nuances, but removing everything without explanation seems precipitated and wrong. FkpCascais ( talk) 06:04, 28 May 2011 (UTC)
I got your message
Please refrain from making unconstructive edits to Wikipedia. Your edits appear to be disruptive and have been reverted or removed.
What is unconstructive or disruptive, if removing invented names attributed by Italian medieval people? Is Wikipedia free or just a tool for nationalistic propaganda?
What makes you to be judge here? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.163.229.6 ( talk) 12:58, 29 May 2011 (UTC)
Hi Fainites. When you find yourself with time I would really apreciate if you could spare me a litlle time and give me your view about where things stand. I already asked you in my previous post if you could help me but I´m not sure you noteced it, so here I´m doing it again. I´m not sure what else is needed for the 3-side infobox to be implemented. It seems clear that Chetniks had animosities, at least, beside actual fights, with Germans troughout the war, and they were allways very far from being allies as some would like to present. Despite everything direktor mentioned, I still see no reason why we should separate time periods in infobox. It should be simplifiyed for the benefit of WP and their readers, because despite the X times that Chetniks fought Axis, and X times they agreed against Partisans, they were allways a 3th side in the conflict. Direktor also reminded me of the fact that Mihailovic had his head hounted until the end of the war, so that is another strong reason why it is wrong having them in same side. Allied head-hunting eachother? It doesn´t make sence. Also, I have a similar situation as in Yugoslav Front article with regard to short informative sentence about Chetniks in another article: Bleiburg massacre with User:Kebeta. He is edit warring there, despite me having initiated discussion in his talk page. Regards. PS: @Direktor, I will like to ask you to please don´t add posts here, I would like to have at least one free channel to talk with Fainites, and I´m talking here about the way I am personally adressing this problem, more than discussing article content. FkpCascais ( talk) 03:41, 31 May 2011 (UTC)
You might want to know that there are currently entire sections of the Draža Mihailović article that are, quite simply, fairy tales. I cannot emphasize enough the degree to which the text therein has lost all connection to reality and/or history. For the best example, see the " Soviet invasion of Yugoslavia" section, describing a completely imaginary event that did never, and could never, transpire in this universe. The sheer absurdity of the content is way, waay beyond any kind of debate or discussion. We are talking complete "Tolkien history". The "references" quoted in support of such nonsense are either misquoted, misrepresented, or are laughable gibberish themselves - I assure you. Its like the text is about a weird upside-down parallel universe where the Soviet Union and Yugoslavia were not allies but enemies. Without any exaggeration, I can say that this kind of content, completely detached from all history, is a disgrace for all of Wikipedia's WWII coverage (or at least it would be if any significant numbers read these backwater articles).
Please see Talk:Draža Mihailović#"Soviet invasion"? -- DIREKTOR ( TALK) 15:43, 31 May 2011 (UTC)
Fainites, can you please intervene. First direktor trolls the other user about his language skills, which not being perfect, are however perfectly understandable for any user having a minimal level of English language skills. Then, he also wrongly drives him to talk another language, which is against wiki principles. Then I am unecessarily attacked with all those "red attack" words. I think I couldn´t have been more polite. This is the responce I got: [36]. FkpCascais ( talk) 17:50, 31 May 2011 (UTC)
I'm on holiday this week.
Fainites
barley
scribs 14:09, 1 June 2011 (UTC)
Hi Fainites. Please look into this user's editing history when you get back from wiki break. Thanks. Timbouctou ( talk) 00:04, 2 June 2011 (UTC)
I request your attention here, regards.-- Tiblocco ( talk) 15:03, 6 June 2011 (UTC)
indeed this user does not change his disruptive behaviour removing a lot of sources:
..I'm asking you to look past my obnoxious overbearing personality, and please be honest with me. Nuujin I understand, he just wants to enlist people to help him write his draft. But will you please tell me, how will going completely off-topic yet again for months help us discuss the topic? I assure you, there are no disputed points apart from the WWII collaboration and there never were any. If you think I'm wrong there, prove me wrong, but if you can't - please tell me why we are avoiding the subject? -- DIREKTOR ( TALK) 15:11, 23 June 2011 (UTC)
Hello Fainites. A content dispute is developing at Talk:Croats#Unnecessarily involving User:PRODUCER, User:Jesuislafete and me over whether the article should include a rather detailed summary of people killed in WW2, Mihajlović's role, ethnic composition of Partisans and the like. Admin attention - or at least a third opinion from an uninvolved editor - might be needed. Regards. Timbouctou ( talk) 12:59, 3 July 2011 (UTC)
Hi Fainites! I usually don't complain to admins, but I have come across some statements of pro-fascistic, or more specifically ustashoid nature in this discussion. There I warned User:Tommy1441 not to use disparaging terms such as "quasi-Serb", but in his next post he went on by calling Serbs outside Serbia the "so called Serbs", further implying that ijekavian-speaking Serbs (i.e., those outside Serbia) are actually Croats (see the final two sentences of that post). This is quite reminiscent of a policy towards Serbs implemented by the fascist Independent State of Croatia, postulating that the Serbs in Croatia and B.-H. descended from Catholic Croats (by which they justified the policy of conversion of Serbs to Catholicism and erasion of their Serb identity). I think some measures should be taken against such behaviour of user Tommy1441. Thanks. Vladimir ( talk) 13:41, 24 July 2011 (UTC)
Thank you for your support | |
Thank you very much for your support on my RfA. I shall endeavor to meet your and the community's expectations as an admin. Qwyrxian ( talk) 07:54, 26 July 2011 (UTC) |
Frankly Fainites, I don't see the point of the recent quotes you added. Radical nationalist propaganda in Croatia is as bad, if not worse, than the one in Serbia. Its all the same trash, really. Croats demonize the Chetniks by emphasizing their collaboration, trying to depict the Chetniks as equivalent to the Ustaše, which is nonsense. Serbian propaganda does not really need to additionally demonize the Ustaše, as they were really quite horrible in fact, but instead whitewashes over any collaboration and atrocities of the Chetniks and depicts them as heroes. I want to make it perfectly clear that I myself am utterly disgusted by the nationalist nonsense in my own country, and under no circumstances do I, or any other sensible Croat, consider the Chetniks to have been equivalent
I hope you see the difference: the Croats really have no choice but to reject the Ustaše, as they were fascists with an open policy of collaboration and genocide against the Serbs that lived within their borders - thus the Ustaše are and have been denounced by all Croatian scholars and political parties since 1945. Chetniks, however, have seen a rehabilitation in their status. The Chetniks used to be denounced by all Serbian scholars and politicians up until Slobodan Milošević came to power in the late 1980s. At present the largest single political party in Serbia, the Serbian Radical Party (SRS), openly supports the Chetniks, whitewashes over any collaboration (often depicting it as supposedly having been committed by the Pećanac Chetniks), and its Party Leader publicly considers himself a Chetnik "Voivoda". Due to the fact that the Chetnik collaboration and war crimes are lesser in scale than those of the Ustaše, Serbia has rehabilitated its WWII ultranationalist movement, while Croatia has not (or could not have).
P.S. The second quote from Balkan holocausts? is very strange: "Even though there is clear indisputable evidence of Cetnik massacres of Croats and Moslems throughout the NDH, there was no concrete proof that the Cetniks aimed to exterminate the entire Croatian nation - nor would they have had the means to do so." This is clearly an erroneous assumption on the part of the author: noone ever said they wanted to exterminate whole nations. Even if Mihailović's instructions are an accurate description of the Chetniks goals, they do not entail the "exterminate the entire Croatian nation" - merely their removal out of the areas they considered Greater Serbia. The same is true with the Ustaše: neither movement ever suggested their goal is to exterminate the entire Serbian or Croatian nations. Refuting that seems to be redundant. -- DIREKTOR ( TALK) 19:52, 30 July 2011 (UTC)
Fainites, please note that WhiteWriter has, around an hour ago, simultaneously added a new map of his own making on the Serbia under German occupation, Invasion of Yugoslavia, Yugoslav Front, and Independent State of Croatia articles. This new edit was reverted by myself. PANONIAN has now restored the disputed edit on all articles. I request that you please revert these articles to the status quo version, in order to prevent an edit-war. I'd do it myself, but I get the feeling the new opposed edits and the map might well find themselves protected in place. The alternative of course, as always, is a frantic edit-war between two users with the goal of making certain that the preferred version gets protected, i.e. the standard exploitation of WP:WRONG. That is something I am completely sick of and would like to avoid.
I also must point out that I had no intention of edit warring on the Serbia under German occupation article, as seems to have been your assumption, my only revert was done with the purpose of tying-up a few grammatical errors. The reason why I posted the whole thing in the first place, is essentially to best present my proposal for the article lead and infobox.
P.S. Just in case you care about being fair in your capacity as an admin, I'll point out that you did not quite protect the status quo version of the Serbia under German occupation article, but also reverted my removal of WhiteWriter's disputed new edit (i.e. the entry of the new "This is Serbia!" map) -- DIREKTOR ( TALK) 16:51, 31 July 2011 (UTC)
Answered on Serbia under German occupation. Fainites barley scribs 18:28, 1 August 2011 (UTC)
Fainites, the new user butchered the article and removed some very well sourced info (NOT by Cohen). Care to restore the status quo? -- DIREKTOR ( TALK) 19:58, 2 August 2011 (UTC)
Hello!
Well, in discusion page, ther is no sign that this article is part of WP:WikiProject Fascism or similiar. And as I remember categories put it as anti-communist. So, I thought I brake no rule by this, but if I risk my contribution here on Wiki, then I won't edit any more. -- Wusten fuchs 17:53, 5 August 2011 (UTC)
I am obligated to inform you of the thread I've posted on WP:ANI. -- DIREKTOR ( TALK) 20:31, 5 August 2011 (UTC)
[54] Fainites barley scribs 22:53, 6 August 2011 (UTC)
While it is certainly not any of your concern whether I do or do not research and edit an article, since you have brought it up six times up to now, I will point out that I terminated my involvement on the Aloysius Stepinac article as I did not wish to start another major, extremely controversial discussion while concurrently engaged in two others of similar (or greater) difficulty. Had you and your group of editors on Talk:Draža Mihailović had not pushed me out of the discussion by force, upon completion I would have turned to the other difficult nationalist-POV issue (yes, "your group": since you all agree on all subjects and argue in concert, I take the liberty of referring to Sunray, Nuujinn and yourself as a group). Indeed, my eagerness to end that perpetual debate is a manifestation of my desire to move on and resolve other difficult issues, such as the Aloysius Stepinac article.
I do not mean to imply you should particularly care about any of the above, but I feel the need to clarify the reasons for my withdrawal from Talk:Aloysius Stepinac so that in future it may be shown that you were informed of them, and may not use the affair to your profit in the form of what is essentially "character assassination". Regards -- DIREKTOR ( TALK) 11:57, 13 August 2011 (UTC)
DIREKTOR I don't think it helps to post here like this. There is no group. As you know, I had nothing to do with the mediation until after the article was coming back into mainspace. Fainites barley scribs 21:09, 13 August 2011 (UTC)
Please be advised that an arbitration enforcement action appeal has been posted on your recent topic ban. Please see Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Enforcement#Arbitration enforcement action appeal by DIREKTOR. Regards -- DIREKTOR ( TALK) 23:38, 13 August 2011 (UTC)
OK, fair enough re the above, ie getting drawn into content and the banning DIREKTOR myself. But has anybody got any more advice on where the borders are in general? I mean - on the basis that it wasn't OK to express an opinion on "which version", was it OK to post five different versions of a lead sentence until one which everybody agreed was found? Was it OK to post the results of the sources I found? Is it OK to protect the page for a few days and try and get editors to restart a discussion? Regarding sources, presumably it's OK to act if someone specifically mis-cites a source, but what about failure to source assertions? Was it OK to keep requesting that they do? I mean this in the context of being an admin. I have no interest in actually editing content and thus becoming involved in the neverending nationalist POV pushing but I would be interested in contnuing to try and mediate/moderate discussions to enable normal, collaborative editing if possible. Fainites barley scribs 13:20, 15 August 2011 (UTC)
I am glad to see you back. I thought that you left Wikipedia because of DIREKTOR. He continuing with disruptive behavior and I opened this thread about him: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Administrators'_noticeboard/Incidents#Disruptive_editing_of_User:DIREKTOR PANONIAN 20:45, 12 September 2011 (UTC)
In regard to I'm not sure what help I can be on Balkans articles any more if I can't use my admin powers to try and keep a bit of order!, you should not underestimate yourself. Jack Merridew, for all of the oddities of their personae, had some quote regarding the "voice" as being the important thing, and I took that to mean that due to the nature of the community, real authority comes from reputation and the ability to convince others and build consensus. The bit's just a bit that enables you do some minor things. I'm not sure it would be to your taste, but my thoughts on this kind of thing are largely informed by Aichinger's The Bound Man. Far warning, Kafka and Faulkner are favorites of mine, and I'm told my world view is rather dark (whereas I think I'm a realist). Whatever you decide to do, all the best! -- Nuujinn ( talk) 00:40, 15 September 2011 (UTC)
Hi Fainites, as you are an admin and are familiar with the topic I'm hoping you give me some advice on this issue!
You may remember the work I did digitising the Coat of Arms and Flag of Serbia 1941-44? Well as you probably also know both DIREKTOR and PANONIAN created their own derived versions of my SVG version and are currently in an edit war trying to get the other's version deleted!
But the issue is neither of them are describing their versions as coming from mine. Instead they refer back to the JPG versions and claim they created the SVG version. Quoting from the description:
This is a retouched picture, which means that it has been digitally altered from its original version. Modifications: Created SVG version. The original can be viewed here: Flag_of_serbia_1941_1944.JPG. Modifications made by DIREKTOR.
Mine are either not mentioned or are listed as "alternate versions", when they are really the source.
Surely the source for a derived fx should be the file you used, not the file that the previous one was derived from? Can you give me some advice? Am I correct? If so what can I do about getting it fixed? I tried correcting the descriptions of the two files but DIREKTOR reverted my changes. Here is an example DIFF,
SUMMARY
DIREKTOR Versions:
File:GNS_Flag.svg File:GNS_CoA.svg
PANONIAN Versions:
File:S_Flag.svg File:S_CoA.svg
My original versions:
File:Coat_of_arms_of_serbia_1941_1944_vectorised.svg File:Flag_of_serbia_1941_1944_vectorised.svg
XrysD ( talk) 10:58, 15 September 2011 (UTC)
During the Mihailović mediation, we agreed to discuss two additional topics on the article talk page: 1) Ethnic conflict and terror tactics, and, 2) Collaboration. The former was completed some time ago. Nuujinn has now drafted a proposed section on the latter subject. I am contacting mediation participants, and others who commented on the article talk page post mediation, to see if they wish to comment. The draft can be found here. Any comments would be most appreciated. Sunray ( talk) 23:52, 6 November 2011 (UTC)
You may be interested in this. Peter jackson ( talk) 17:55, 24 November 2011 (UTC)
hi fainites, can you please cast your fairly skeptical eyes over the Neuro-linguistic programming article and the editors. I don't think has been much of an effort toward creating a page in line with WP:NPOV. It appears that a couple editors have just taken over the article and discussion to push their own POV. -- 122.108.140.210 ( talk) 06:04, 10 December 2011 (UTC)
Dear Fainites,
My name is Jonathan Obar user:Jaobar, I'm a professor in the College of Communication Arts and Sciences at Michigan State University and a Teaching Fellow with the Wikimedia Foundation's Education Program. This semester I've been running a little experiment at MSU, a class where we teach students about becoming Wikipedia administrators. Not a lot is known about your community, and our students (who are fascinated by wiki-culture by the way!) want to learn how you do what you do, and why you do it. A while back I proposed this idea (the class) to the community HERE, where it was met mainly with positive feedback. Anyhow, I'd like my students to speak with a few administrators to get a sense of admin experiences, training, motivations, likes, dislikes, etc. We were wondering if you'd be interested in speaking with one of our students.
So a few things about the interviews:
Bottom line is that we really need your help, and would really appreciate the opportunity to speak with you. If interested, please send me an email at obar@msu.edu (to maintain anonymity) and I will add your name to my offline contact list. If you feel comfortable doing so, you can post your name
HERE instead.
If you have questions or concerns at any time, feel free to email me at obar@msu.edu. I will be more than happy to speak with you.
Thanks in advance for your help. We have a lot to learn from you.
Sincerely,
Jonathan Obar -- Jaobar ( talk) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Chlopeck ( talk • contribs) 23:23, 14 February 2012 (UTC)
Hi Fainites. I have joined the discussion you created on the Attachment theory talk page regarding the edit I made to the article. I have tried to explain my reasoning in making that edit, and hope that you might find yourself able to agree with the broad gist of it. I would be grateful if you could take a look on the talk page there and give your thoughts, and suggest a way to proceed. Many thanks. DMSchneider ( talk) 10:48, 26 February 2012 (UTC)
Where are you? We can't have our single psych FA deteriorting!!! SandyGeorgia ( Talk) 21:00, 27 February 2012 (UTC)
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Hi,
Someone is making subtle edits to Attachment theory that change the meaning, sometimes to the opposite of what is meant. [55] Hope this helps. Best wishes, MathewTownsend ( talk) 14:29, 24 August 2012 (UTC)
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DEAR FINITES! I have posted the following on the talk page of Attachment theory. Clarifying the issue of attachment would greatly improve the article. It would make the meaning of attachment much clearer.
I refer you to Chapter 11 of Bowlby's Attachment--The Child's Tie to his Mother: Attachment Behavior. Specifically the first two subheadings.
The first--Alternative theories--briefly describes psychoanalytic writings on a child's response to separation or loss and states his is "a new theory" (p. 177)and "The hypothesis to be advanced here is different.." (p. 179). But he does mention sucking and clinging as "closest to the hypothesis now proposed.." He then mentions "five patterns of behavior--sucking, clinging, following, crying and smiling, which between the ages of 9 and 18 months, "usually become incorporated into a far more sophisticated goal-corrected systems" Maintaining proximity is the goal.
In the next subheading--Attachment behavior and its place in nature-- he draws an analogy between birds and mammals and between imprinting and attachment. He specifically describes ground dwelling birds compared to tree nesting birds--and herd animals that maintain proximity by walking shortly after birth and most primates that can sustain their weight by clinging in comparison to rodents and carnivores that are blind and helpless at birth, gorillas that can't sustain their weight at birth and humans who are "born so very immature." All of these latter must depend on their mother figure to maintain proximity at first. Bowlby mentions in various places throughout the book that the mother also seeks and/or maintains proximity, especially in response to danger or to the infant's distress--not just to danger but also pain or hunger. This was true for many thousands of years and only in the last few hundred years have large houses, cribs and bottles become common, allowing the mother to walk away from their baby, leaving them in a safe place. The problem Bowlby faced was that, although most people--even casual observers--had seen human and animal babies following their mother, they did not relate those other behaviors--sucking and crying at birth, and smiling and clinging, as liable to promote the mother seeking proximity. In fact these behaviors have been left out of the definition of attachment and the definition of attachment has been restricted to the infant physically seeking proximity when they develop mobility. But in the above cited chapter and in other places in the book Bowlby mentions that attachment behavior in seeking proximity is a reciprocal behavior.--Margaret9mary (talk) 17:55, 31 October 2012 (UTC)I will edit this later to make it briefer and clearer.--Margaret9mary (talk) 17:55, 31 October 2012 (UTC)-- Margaret9mary ( talk) 18:03, 31 October 2012 (UTC)
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