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Section on Colorado Springs mentions "an arrangement for the El Paso Power Company...". The link to the El Paso Power Company links to the El Paso, Texas, Electric Company. I strongly suspect that the El Paso being referred to in the article is El Paso county, Colorado, which contains Colorado Springs, and so the El Paso Power Company is not the electric company in Texas. So perhaps
https://elpaso-electric.com/ is the correct link?
Sorry, I don't know how to edit Wikipedia, but I hope someone who does can check this out. Thanks.
2600:1700:A630:4630:81D3:BB17:F315:18E8 (
talk) 04:56, 17 March 2024 (UTC)reply
The link shows a 1919 company, that's 20 years after Tesla was there, Per
this link it was the El Paso Electric Light Company organized in 1886. Went ahead and changed it.
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In the "Early Years" section of the Wikipedia article on Nikola Tesla, the following is stated: "He had three sisters, Milka, Angelina, and Marica, and an older brother named Dane, who was killed in a horse riding accident when Tesla was aged five." But the source that is quoted (#22: Carlson 2013, p. 21.) clearly states that Tesla's brother Dane died when he was seven.
Although we only have the year (1863) of Dane's death, if you do the math from Tesla's own words, he was certainly six or seven when Dane died. In Tesla's autobiography (
http://www.tfcbooks.com/e-books/my_inventions.pdf), published at age 63 (as stated at the top of the PDF linked above), he states "I witnest the tragic scene and altho fifty-six years have elapsed since, my visual impression of it has lost none of its force." Subtracting 56 from 63 gives us 7, the age that your source, W. Bernard Carlson states. Even if we loosely interpret his recollection and add a few months for estimation, the youngest Tesla could have been when Dane died, per Tesla's words, is 6.
In short please change "He had three sisters, Milka, Angelina, and Marica, and an older brother named Dane, who was killed in a horse riding accident when Tesla was aged five." to "He had three sisters, Milka, Angelina, and Marica, and an older brother named Dane, who was killed in a horse riding accident when Tesla was aged six or seven." — Preceding
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Seifer notes Tesla may have also traveled on through Zagreb to a small village on the coast of the Adriatic Sea called "Min-Gag."
This is now referenced to a page number, but it's still totally weird because that's not a known place name, this combination of words is not something typically used in local toponymy, I couldn't find it anywhere. Can we actually reference this to something meaningful? --
Joy (
talk) 03:49, 25 April 2024 (UTC)reply
@
StephenMacky1 thanks for removing this
[1], but this now brings up the obvious question - is this Seifer (2001) source reliable for other claims, if we can't trust it for this? --
Joy (
talk) 10:57, 26 April 2024 (UTC)reply
Hello. Good question. I am unsure. If the information is covered by other sources and it does not contradict them, it could be reliable for the other statements. The part about him gambling is present in other sources too for example. The article might need a GAR though since it still has some unresolved issues. Overreliance on primary sources at some parts, unsourced content, as well as unreliably sourced content.
StephenMacky1 (
talk) 12:50, 26 April 2024 (UTC)reply
Yeah. @
Jclemens was the reviewer back then, but @
Laurdecl who was editing it seems to have gone idle since. I just noticed that I had noticed the same two years ago in
Talk:Nikola Tesla/Archive 11#GA?. --
Joy (
talk) 13:27, 26 April 2024 (UTC)reply
You can take it to GAR, if you ask me. Some of the issues could have been resolved easily and earlier, not in two years. I might help too if I'm free.
StephenMacky1 (
talk) 14:57, 26 April 2024 (UTC)reply
While I was a pretty involved GA reviewer in 2017, I really haven't kept up with the article since. It won't hurt my feelings if it goes to GAR, but thanks for the ping.
Jclemens (
talk) 15:32, 26 April 2024 (UTC)reply
Tesla sources, as per WP:RS, varies in reliability from bunk/money grabs to scholarly content. The author in question, Seifer, seems to fall in the middle, He seems to be interested in the topic and therefore puts allot of time into continual researching. Problem is he tends to re-arrange that materiel to match some kind of preconceived narrative. So he is a bit more reliable for his sourced facts than for his conclusions. In this case, "Min Gag" a small coastal town along the Adriatic between Rijeka and Zadar[2], from the reaserch of ( Dr. Nikola Pribic?
[3]). Min Gag does not turn up but it may no longer have that name or its some form of translation. GAR is always worth doing.
Fountains of Bryn Mawr (
talk) 15:50, 27 April 2024 (UTC)reply
There's a database of former
settlements in Croatia since before Tesla was born, publicly available for lookup at
[4]. The coast between Rijeka and Zadar is part of three modern-day counties (Primorsko-goranska, Ličko-senjska and Zadarskažupanija), and none of these seem to contain mentions of Min or Gag, which makes this more likely to be an error.
One thing that comes to mind is that maybe they meant to use the hyphen to point to some location between
Nin and
Pag. It's two typos, one consonant in each word (!), but conceivable because of a visual similarity of m and n and p and g esp. in some sort of cursive, and the relative vicinity of these two places. Obviously, we can't compose encyclopedia articles based on conjecture... --
Joy (
talk) 21:19, 27 April 2024 (UTC)reply
baptismal record / birth certificate
The early years section currently contains this picture and caption:
Tesla's baptismal record, 28 June 1856. His name is written as
Nikolai (
Slavonic-Serbian: Николай) on the lower right side of the large paragraph.
This seems like a remnant of some sort of a
WP:SOAPBOXy nationalist edit war between this and the passport that keeps getting mentioned at
/Nationality and ethnicity:
I'd say this is largely clerical information that is of little interest to the average English reader, mainly because they can't actually understand much of the text written on either of them.
The picture also squeezes the text because there's another few pictures there, of the birth house (which also isn't of huge interest, but at least it's a small landmark that a modern-day viewer may encounter in reality) and of Tesla's father.
Does anyone mind if the picture of the baptismal record is removed? --
Joy (
talk) 19:23, 30 April 2024 (UTC)reply
If you feel it's argely clerical information or it queezes the text , I can agree. I, personally, am not noticing edit warring regarding this in the last several years...From that point of view, I would just leave it be.
Bilseric (
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Section on Colorado Springs mentions "an arrangement for the El Paso Power Company...". The link to the El Paso Power Company links to the El Paso, Texas, Electric Company. I strongly suspect that the El Paso being referred to in the article is El Paso county, Colorado, which contains Colorado Springs, and so the El Paso Power Company is not the electric company in Texas. So perhaps
https://elpaso-electric.com/ is the correct link?
Sorry, I don't know how to edit Wikipedia, but I hope someone who does can check this out. Thanks.
2600:1700:A630:4630:81D3:BB17:F315:18E8 (
talk) 04:56, 17 March 2024 (UTC)reply
The link shows a 1919 company, that's 20 years after Tesla was there, Per
this link it was the El Paso Electric Light Company organized in 1886. Went ahead and changed it.
Fountains of Bryn Mawr (
talk) 11:56, 17 March 2024 (UTC)reply
Semi-protected edit request on 20 March 2024
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In the "Early Years" section of the Wikipedia article on Nikola Tesla, the following is stated: "He had three sisters, Milka, Angelina, and Marica, and an older brother named Dane, who was killed in a horse riding accident when Tesla was aged five." But the source that is quoted (#22: Carlson 2013, p. 21.) clearly states that Tesla's brother Dane died when he was seven.
Although we only have the year (1863) of Dane's death, if you do the math from Tesla's own words, he was certainly six or seven when Dane died. In Tesla's autobiography (
http://www.tfcbooks.com/e-books/my_inventions.pdf), published at age 63 (as stated at the top of the PDF linked above), he states "I witnest the tragic scene and altho fifty-six years have elapsed since, my visual impression of it has lost none of its force." Subtracting 56 from 63 gives us 7, the age that your source, W. Bernard Carlson states. Even if we loosely interpret his recollection and add a few months for estimation, the youngest Tesla could have been when Dane died, per Tesla's words, is 6.
In short please change "He had three sisters, Milka, Angelina, and Marica, and an older brother named Dane, who was killed in a horse riding accident when Tesla was aged five." to "He had three sisters, Milka, Angelina, and Marica, and an older brother named Dane, who was killed in a horse riding accident when Tesla was aged six or seven." — Preceding
unsigned comment added by
Scuzzos (
talk •
contribs) 22:03, 20 March 2024 (UTC)reply
Seifer notes Tesla may have also traveled on through Zagreb to a small village on the coast of the Adriatic Sea called "Min-Gag."
This is now referenced to a page number, but it's still totally weird because that's not a known place name, this combination of words is not something typically used in local toponymy, I couldn't find it anywhere. Can we actually reference this to something meaningful? --
Joy (
talk) 03:49, 25 April 2024 (UTC)reply
@
StephenMacky1 thanks for removing this
[1], but this now brings up the obvious question - is this Seifer (2001) source reliable for other claims, if we can't trust it for this? --
Joy (
talk) 10:57, 26 April 2024 (UTC)reply
Hello. Good question. I am unsure. If the information is covered by other sources and it does not contradict them, it could be reliable for the other statements. The part about him gambling is present in other sources too for example. The article might need a GAR though since it still has some unresolved issues. Overreliance on primary sources at some parts, unsourced content, as well as unreliably sourced content.
StephenMacky1 (
talk) 12:50, 26 April 2024 (UTC)reply
Yeah. @
Jclemens was the reviewer back then, but @
Laurdecl who was editing it seems to have gone idle since. I just noticed that I had noticed the same two years ago in
Talk:Nikola Tesla/Archive 11#GA?. --
Joy (
talk) 13:27, 26 April 2024 (UTC)reply
You can take it to GAR, if you ask me. Some of the issues could have been resolved easily and earlier, not in two years. I might help too if I'm free.
StephenMacky1 (
talk) 14:57, 26 April 2024 (UTC)reply
While I was a pretty involved GA reviewer in 2017, I really haven't kept up with the article since. It won't hurt my feelings if it goes to GAR, but thanks for the ping.
Jclemens (
talk) 15:32, 26 April 2024 (UTC)reply
Tesla sources, as per WP:RS, varies in reliability from bunk/money grabs to scholarly content. The author in question, Seifer, seems to fall in the middle, He seems to be interested in the topic and therefore puts allot of time into continual researching. Problem is he tends to re-arrange that materiel to match some kind of preconceived narrative. So he is a bit more reliable for his sourced facts than for his conclusions. In this case, "Min Gag" a small coastal town along the Adriatic between Rijeka and Zadar[2], from the reaserch of ( Dr. Nikola Pribic?
[3]). Min Gag does not turn up but it may no longer have that name or its some form of translation. GAR is always worth doing.
Fountains of Bryn Mawr (
talk) 15:50, 27 April 2024 (UTC)reply
There's a database of former
settlements in Croatia since before Tesla was born, publicly available for lookup at
[4]. The coast between Rijeka and Zadar is part of three modern-day counties (Primorsko-goranska, Ličko-senjska and Zadarskažupanija), and none of these seem to contain mentions of Min or Gag, which makes this more likely to be an error.
One thing that comes to mind is that maybe they meant to use the hyphen to point to some location between
Nin and
Pag. It's two typos, one consonant in each word (!), but conceivable because of a visual similarity of m and n and p and g esp. in some sort of cursive, and the relative vicinity of these two places. Obviously, we can't compose encyclopedia articles based on conjecture... --
Joy (
talk) 21:19, 27 April 2024 (UTC)reply
baptismal record / birth certificate
The early years section currently contains this picture and caption:
Tesla's baptismal record, 28 June 1856. His name is written as
Nikolai (
Slavonic-Serbian: Николай) on the lower right side of the large paragraph.
This seems like a remnant of some sort of a
WP:SOAPBOXy nationalist edit war between this and the passport that keeps getting mentioned at
/Nationality and ethnicity:
I'd say this is largely clerical information that is of little interest to the average English reader, mainly because they can't actually understand much of the text written on either of them.
The picture also squeezes the text because there's another few pictures there, of the birth house (which also isn't of huge interest, but at least it's a small landmark that a modern-day viewer may encounter in reality) and of Tesla's father.
Does anyone mind if the picture of the baptismal record is removed? --
Joy (
talk) 19:23, 30 April 2024 (UTC)reply
If you feel it's argely clerical information or it queezes the text , I can agree. I, personally, am not noticing edit warring regarding this in the last several years...From that point of view, I would just leave it be.
Bilseric (
talk) 21:10, 30 April 2024 (UTC)reply
level-3 vital article is rated GA-class on Wikipedia's
content assessment scale..jpg){kind=small}
.jpg){kind=small}
Done —
Antrotherkus
Talk to me! 18:47, 28 March 2024 (UTC)
