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"Maintaining close links with a genocidal regime at the same time as making humanitarian interventions would preclude listing." Did they really state that? Did they forget Schindler, a German nationalist, spy, nazi and a saviour of more than a thousand Jews? Which makes me suspect that someone invented this sentence. Or someone with an amnesia spoke it. Also, if I am not mistaken, he was nominated by a survivor of the holocaust (if I am not mistaken). I have a feeling that he was not listed because of a lot of pressure that was coming from Belgrade...
On this page, there is an excerpt from the article written by Stella Alexander, but by reading the article, it can be seen that some of the sentences in this excerpt have been removed here without denoting it. In addition to that, the same article also clearly states the opposition of Stepinac to the ustaše on several topics tat fall under the political outlook which is supposedly mentioned here as described by Stella Alexander. With respect to that, I would have three questions: 1) Is there any reason for not including these parts as well? 2) Would it be OK to add them now? 3) Is there any reason for not including all sentences in the excerpt or at least denoting that some of them are missing? TheWikiBadger ( talk) 16:05, 1 May 2022 (UTC)
Do we really need two mentions of the census data? It is effectively a primary source, and I don't think we need to bash the reader to death with it. Peacemaker67 ( click to talk to me) 07:11, 9 August 2022 (UTC)
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The intro states, "On 10 February 1960, still under confinement, Stepinac died of polycythemia and other illnesses he contracted while imprisoned". [1] The cited source for this claim is clearly biased and not very authoritative - i.e. a Catholic website dedicated to Stepinac. Stepinac died in 1960., nine years after he was released from prison and confined to his home village of Krasic. As this article notes, after his release Stepinac was examined and treated by well-known American and German doctors, who indicated that aside from polycythemia (a surplus of red blood cells, which leads to clotting), he was in good physical condition. They cite no other ailments, nor that he contracted anything in prison, On his death the NYT quoted his personal physician, stating that Stepinac died from a heart ailment, while noting that Stepinac suffered from a blood ailment for years, and had twice been operated to remove blood clots [2]
I suggest the quoted sentence be removed from the intro, else I will need to add this additional information which contradicts the claim Thhhommmasss ( talk) 00:38, 21 September 2023 (UTC)
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"Maintaining close links with a genocidal regime at the same time as making humanitarian interventions would preclude listing." Did they really state that? Did they forget Schindler, a German nationalist, spy, nazi and a saviour of more than a thousand Jews? Which makes me suspect that someone invented this sentence. Or someone with an amnesia spoke it. Also, if I am not mistaken, he was nominated by a survivor of the holocaust (if I am not mistaken). I have a feeling that he was not listed because of a lot of pressure that was coming from Belgrade...
On this page, there is an excerpt from the article written by Stella Alexander, but by reading the article, it can be seen that some of the sentences in this excerpt have been removed here without denoting it. In addition to that, the same article also clearly states the opposition of Stepinac to the ustaše on several topics tat fall under the political outlook which is supposedly mentioned here as described by Stella Alexander. With respect to that, I would have three questions: 1) Is there any reason for not including these parts as well? 2) Would it be OK to add them now? 3) Is there any reason for not including all sentences in the excerpt or at least denoting that some of them are missing? TheWikiBadger ( talk) 16:05, 1 May 2022 (UTC)
Do we really need two mentions of the census data? It is effectively a primary source, and I don't think we need to bash the reader to death with it. Peacemaker67 ( click to talk to me) 07:11, 9 August 2022 (UTC)
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The intro states, "On 10 February 1960, still under confinement, Stepinac died of polycythemia and other illnesses he contracted while imprisoned". [1] The cited source for this claim is clearly biased and not very authoritative - i.e. a Catholic website dedicated to Stepinac. Stepinac died in 1960., nine years after he was released from prison and confined to his home village of Krasic. As this article notes, after his release Stepinac was examined and treated by well-known American and German doctors, who indicated that aside from polycythemia (a surplus of red blood cells, which leads to clotting), he was in good physical condition. They cite no other ailments, nor that he contracted anything in prison, On his death the NYT quoted his personal physician, stating that Stepinac died from a heart ailment, while noting that Stepinac suffered from a blood ailment for years, and had twice been operated to remove blood clots [2]
I suggest the quoted sentence be removed from the intro, else I will need to add this additional information which contradicts the claim Thhhommmasss ( talk) 00:38, 21 September 2023 (UTC)
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