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Hi, I'm MBlaze Lightning. I noticed that you are a very well experienced editor and you are contributing to India and Pakistan related articles from a long time, i guess! I want to inform you about continuous POV pushing and TAG-TEAMING and off-wiki communications between few editors mostly belonging to pakistan. You may like to have a look to these edits First, Second, Third, Fourth, and several more wiki articles mainly related to India-Pakisan, and those must be on your watchlist i guess! So you see, these guys are adding blatant controversial contents/POV/ WP:FALSEBALANCE, WP:ATTRIBUTEPOV. There edits gives WP:UNDUE weight in the article, and ultimately they are violating several wiki policies like WP:BALASPS and to some extent WP:RS.
I was about to take this matter to an administrator but i found you more helpful in this case! I expect, that you will have your attention towards this. Thank You! MBlaze Lightning ( talk) 11:09, 16 March 2016 (UTC)
You're going to love this one:
So far for 40,000 years old ANI. Joshua Jonathan - Let's talk! 10:52, 12 March 2016 (UTC)
Ghatus ( talk) 12:15, 12 March 2016 (UTC)Hymns of the Rigveda yield extensive evidence of the importance of cattle in the Early Vedic society. Many linguistic expressions in the Rigveda are associated with the cow (gau). Cattle was the chief measure of wealth and a wealthy man who owned many cattle was called 'gomat'. The terms used for conflicts and battles in this period were gavishti, gavesana, gavyat, etc. The former literally means 'to search for cows'. The terms themselves suggest that possession of cattle was the bone of contention betwee goups and led to occasional inter-tribal fights and conflicts. The Panis, who. were the enemies of the Vedic people, are stated in the Rigveda to have hidden their wealth, mostly cows, in the mountains and forests. The Vedic god Indra was invoked to release these cattle. This reference suggests that cattle raids were common. The raja or the chief is called the 'gopati' or one who protects cows. In the Rigveda, Godhuli is used as a term for a measure of time. Distance is called gavyuti. A daughter is called duhitr or one who milk the cows. Kinship units are labelled as gotra.
I think now you can understand the importance of the cows and milk to the north of the Vindhyas. It's an off the mark intervention, but I even did not know this few days ago. So the moment you talked about IA languages, Milk and Cows, these are the few historical thinks came to my mind first. Ghatus ( talk) 12:19, 12 March 2016 (UTC)
( talk page stalker) Scandinavians are the most lactose tolerant people on earth, from what I've read, so it might very well have spread south from there, across Europe. And since I've seen totally wild claims here on en-WP that Jats descend from the Jutes of Southern Scandinavia, maybe there's a connection? (Just joking, there's absolutely nothing that supports a connection between Jats and Jutes...) Thomas.W talk 12:51, 12 March 2016 (UTC)
I think trying to connect language to genetics etc is pretty dodgy territory and it reminds me of scientific racists. And genetic studies themselves are also dodgy territory from a Wikipedia perspective: far too many small-scale ones reliant on self-identification, far too new a science, far too many variables. That's why they've tended not to be used in caste articles. - Sitush ( talk) 12:33, 12 March 2016 (UTC)
"Clean up behind JJ's additions"? Tss tss. I see another prospect, a change of narrative: a rainbow-flag with not just seven, but a ot more colours, and a banner "India, home of the world," where all streams of migration come together. No "pure Aryans" and whatever, but a proud specimen of the world's almost entire genetic history. Joshua Jonathan - Let's talk! 08:47, 13 March 2016 (UTC)
Well, of course. I am fully confident that the VHP will spearhead the Rainbow Movement!
Coming back to the present, there is often far too much statistics lingo that is not explained, and inexcusable in papers that claim to make general observations for historians. I barely understand some of it due to my math background, and I can see that the claims are overblown. To give one example, Sahoo (2006), which has Estonians as coauthors, says that the Indians migrated to Central Asia because there is a gradient of decreasing genetic diversity. However Reich (2009) contradict them saying that the Indian diversity is due to Indian caste groups having small numbers of founders. The Estonians seem to have accepted it, but never said that what they wrote in Sahoo (2006) has been abandoned. In some of your edits, JJ, you make it appear as if Sahoo (2006) is the final word. - Kautilya3 ( talk) 09:07, 13 March 2016 (UTC)
Hi Kautilya3: the more I think about it, the more obvious it is: The ANI-component in the Indian genepool were the Dravidian Harappans, who came from Iran/Levant, bringing with them farming, R1a and lactose-tolerance. Due to farming their population grew rapidly, and they started to colonialise southern India, over land (Deccan plateau) and over sea, just like the Greek started colonies in the Mediterranean. The Indo-Europeans were only a minor addition to this genepool, though a major cultural and linguistic influence. If the Harappans were not the ANI, then we're looking for a mysterious consituent of the Indian genepool who managed to hide themselves from the Indo-Europeans (where are the ANI-loans?), yet had a major impact on the Indian population. If they were not Dravidian, omposing their language on the ASI-population, then we're looking for an unknown language in Indian, spoken by a million people back then, which magically disappeared. And if they did not come from Iran/Levant, then where else? Not from the steppes either, and also not from east Asia. Think about it, please. I saw it, others saw it, and I'm pretty sure a lot of geneticists and linguists/anthropologists also see it. Anyway, in this light, Sahoo et al. (2006) is indeed nonsense.Best regards, Joshua Jonathan - Let's talk! 05:17, 15 March 2016 (UTC)
Ok, I will keep it in mind. But note that, if the Harappans colonised any place, they would have left their bricks there, and even granaries and public baths etc. South India shows none of this. It had Deccan megalithic cultures, which seem entirely independent of of the Harappans. George L. Hart finds the Deccan cultural elements entering Sanskrit by the time of Kalidasa, via Maharashtra. Sanskrit didn't have them earlier. The Harappans and the South Indians could have spoken similar languages, but culturally, they seem quite dissimilar. Finally, there is no evidence of mixing between the "ANI Harappans" and the "ASI South Indians" before 2,200 BC. So I am afraid the evidence against this theory is quite overwhelming. - Kautilya3 ( talk) 09:23, 15 March 2016 (UTC)
Ok, this paper is disproving your ANI-Dravidian connection. The relevant quote is in the Razib Khan blog. The Iranian mtDNA is found among the Dravidians as HV14a1 and U1a1a4. There is also a correspondence in the Y-DNA in terms of the L1a lineage. But the Dravidians don't have the L1b and L1c lineages which are also found in the Iranian populations. If they told us how old the latter lineages are, we would be able to infer when the Dravidians migrated from Iran to India. But the authors seem to think the migration happened in 9100 BP, in neolithic times. In any case, L1a is not found among the North Indians. So this is clearly unrelated to the ANI. Both the males and females migrated, unlike the ANI who either didn't bring their females or, if they brought them, ignored them and mated with lots of local females.
I guess you need to look at Pagel et al., 2013 to find out about the development of the proto-Dravidian language 15,000 BP. - Kautilya3 ( talk) 01:06, 16 March 2016 (UTC)
Well, here's Michael Witzel speaking! Joshua Jonathan - Let's talk! 21:04, 16 March 2016 (UTC)
Hi कुटिल, It seems somebody has put entire stuff(including 'bharat mata' slogan thing under the "Political career" section of the article.. I think you were right and the article looks more balanced now ..thanks Adamstraw99 ( talk) 15:57, 17 March 2016 (UTC)
Hi Kautilya3, i have noticed that just like Asaduddin article you are reverting my edits on this article too(tactfully ignoring those who start the revert of my text). anyway, As suggested by you, i have decided to talk more and edit less. in the process i have put a new section on Azad talk page. I Hope you will respond there..
And about previous comment, my hindi typing tool couldn't write kautilya properly in hindi hence it was कुटिल .. this is nothing more than ONLY a co-incidence that कुटिल is also referred to this guy -->> Jeevan (actor).. sorry about that..thanx Adamstraw99 ( talk) 01:55, 18 March 2016 (UTC)
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Hi Kautilya, it does seem fair that such historical matters require scholarly sources, but I've noticed that other pages, allow for such new articles. Plus this topic has affected me and my family personally. But now that I think about it, I feel as if what I wrote should be on the Hyderabadi Muslims Wikipedia page and not on this one, though they relate. Do you think this would be a good Idea? Thanks anyways for keeping Wikipedia a trustworthy website. Hammad.511234 (talk) 22:46, 19 March 2016 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Hammad.511234 ( talk • contribs)
Hi. How are you Kautilya? I am extremely busy in my real life duties. I hope you are taking care of all controversial matters on Wikipedia. You are one of editor who inspired me very much in my initial days on Wikipedia. I really miss my Wikipedia days. Wikipedia is one of best thing happened in my life. When I look back in my life I really feel proud that I have contributed to some extend to Wikipedia. Now a days I don't edit Wikipedia. But I remember and miss many Wikipedia editors, I miss all my wikifriends and also my "opponents" badly. It was so nice time. I hope one day I will come back actively, till then I leave it on you. I wish you best luck for editing and for your happy life. Cheers. -- Human3015 TALK 18:24, 20 March 2016 (UTC)
Looks like Kivisild has interesting things to say. I'm reallu curious about the discussions between Reich, Tangaraj, Kivisild, Metspalu and Manjoori. Joshua Jonathan - Let's talk! 19:34, 20 March 2016 (UTC)
Hi Kautilya, Whats up with the images for articles on ethnic groups being removed? Wasiq 9320 ( talk) 15:31, 21 March 2016 (UTC)
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I, to a large extent, agree with this- The Historiography of Medieval India Needs a Middle Way Ghatus ( talk) 12:25, 22 March 2016 (UTC)
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... says Shehla Rashid Shora. Nice slogan, but not exactly true. It is in fact the "old" communalism. See Hindutva#Hedgewar and Rashtriya Swayamsevak Sangh and also Hindutva#Bharatiya Jana Sangh. How do we get Indian students to read Wikipedia? -- Kautilya3 ( talk) 15:16, 25 March 2016 (UTC)
Hi, is there any way through which I can have full access to a book source? Like this book isn't available in full view, so is there any way through at least a full page can be seen online? MBlaze Lightning - talk! 17:03, 25 March 2016 (UTC)
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Have a cup of tea, and some peace of mind. All the best, Joshua Jonathan - Let's talk! 10:19, 12 March 2016 (UTC) |
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Thanks for the message about "edit summary" which I will keep in mind in future. Normally I think some edit summary gets auto-generated but that did not happen here. Thanks. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 59.182.128.6 ( talk) 11:54, 28 March 2016 (UTC)
Dear Kautilya, thank you for your warm welcome and for the update on the wiki pedia guidelines as well . I hope I will learn and contribute constructively. Being a relatively inexperienced editor I wanted to ask you something. There is a portion on Hussain Haqqani article which I believe violate Wikipedia rules and guidelines, the following section is quoted as follows:
"The Wall Street Journal described Haqqani as "a hostage" while he was in Pakistan and published an interview with him from the Prime Minister's house in which he outlined why he was hated by Pakistan's intelligence services and Jihadi groups.[47] Michel Hirsh, writing in The Atlantic, described Haqqani as "The Last Friendly Pakistani" towards the US[48] Jeffrey Goldberg, writing for The Atlantic and Bloomberg News, has been a consistent supporter of Haqqani, calling him "The Hardest Working Man in Washington" and criticising Pakistan's military and security services[49][50] Simon Tisdall of The Guardian called Haqqani "an instinctive ally of the west" and attributed Memogate to the ambassador's difficult relationship with Pakistan intelligence service.[51]"
Isn`t this portion based on the OPEDs which I believe goes against the wikipedia policies. Can you elaborate on this because I want to remove this section DelusionMBT ( talk) 18:41, 26 March 2016 (UTC)
Dear Kautilya,
Thank you for your response. I agree with you, Hussain Haqqani is indeed a respectable scholar. But please lets not make this about India-Pakistan we are neighbours and should remain as such saying that Pakistan doesn`t have newspapers which are critical of its government or the establishment is totally false. I am a regular reader of dawn an independent newspaper but as for the case of tribune I agree it still needs time to mature up a bit. Being critical of a government policies doesn`t make you an anti-national rather its a good thing to introspect. In my opinion you are a neutral editor but Wikipedia instead of being a battle ground between the people of the two countries should be a platform where we can work together considerate of one another to make our region a better and prosperous one. I don`t doubt your intentions. But the section which I have pointed out is a highly biased POV that too based on OPeds. Have a great its been great talking to you. Thank you long live India & Pakistan :) DelusionMBT ( talk) 08:27, 27 March 2016 (UTC)
Dear Kautilya,
Going through the talk page I believe the reason Ayesha Jalal work was objected to/against was because of the conflict of interest. It also seemed to compromise the integrity of Mr. Mansoor Ijaz claims due to her rather personal association with Hussain Haqqani. As for Haqqani working with the Indian lobby it sure is a bone of contention between the Pakistani and Indian editors, mainly the reason for this is the nexus which is being operated by Tarek Fatah, Hussain Haqqani and Christine Fair. Tarek Fatah and Christine Fair unlike Hussain Haqqani have been pretty unreasonable and unscholarly not to mention at times bigoted, I have personally myself seen Hussain Haqqani sharing the same platform with the duo . As for the mention of the Indian lobby, the reason given by Hussain Haqqani for preventing anti-terrorist aid/machinery to pakistan was that it would be used against india which obviously resulted into a reaction from Pakistan saying that he is working for the Indian lobby same is true for his opposition to the sale of Military hardware to Pakistan which includes Viper Helicopters and 8 F-16s. These are the reasons which I believe are the source of the contentions, also by Indian lobby it is meant the Indian caucas at the Capitol Hill. The section I pointed out to contain things like "Last friendly Pakistani towards the west" like what is this? Of course such things will lead towards more misunderstandings. Wishing you the best for the future. Take cares
DelusionMBT ( talk) 11:33, 27 March 2016 (UTC)
Thank you, I totally agree with you. DelusionMBT ( talk) 12:50, 28 March 2016 (UTC)
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Up to a few months ago, the discourse was about Modi, the RSS, VHP, Ayodhya, Gujarat, forced conversions, attacks on churches, rising intolerance etc. Hindutva has now taken charge, changing the discourse to nationalism, Kashmir, Bharat Mata, Sanskrit, and what have you. The Nazis are here finally. Dear friends, where are you? - Kautilya3 ( talk) 17:36, 20 March 2016 (UTC)
Rabrindranath Tagore once said that “people who need to be hypnotised with shrieking invocations to a mother or a deity, do not love their country so much as they love passion. The attempt to maintain a stronger infatuation with something over and above the truth is a symptom of our instilled sense of slavery.” [4]. - Kautilya3 ( talk) 21:33, 20 March 2016 (UTC)
@ Ghatus: Perhaps I do use the term "Nazi" lightly, because it is the ideology that I care about. Here is the record, documented by Ghulam Nabi Azad in the Rajya Sabbha: [5]. Sorry folks, it is in Hindi. If I can find a written coverage of the speech, I will post it here. - Kautilya3 ( talk) 18:34, 28 March 2016 (UTC)
Hold on, we can talk about resilience of India some other time. What I am trying to say is precisely what was in the first couple of sentences of my post. The "Hindu" part of the "Hindu nationalism" has been dropped. Why this has been done is quite clear to me. It will also be clear to you if you think about it for a second. But how it has been done was narrated by Ghulam Nabi Azad in his speech, which I didn't quite know until this point. The result of this changed narrative is the threat issued by a goon of the Samajwadi party yesterday that he was going to gun down the JNUSU activists by the 31st. I understand that he is entirely capable of doing it. Whether anybody else is taking him seriously, I don't know. I am waiting with bated breath.
As scholars, we should note that this is not a new ploy. The RSS was originally supposed to have been called "Hindu Swayamsevak Sangh," as per the wishes of the Hindu Mahasabha sponsors of Hedgewar. But he would have none of it and, in the end, his sponsors relented. He quickly outgrew the Hindu Mahasabha. According to the RSS explanation, Hedgewar realized that Hindutva and Rashtriyatva meant the same thing. That sentence needs to be imprinted on a plaque and put up on a wall, so that we read it again and again everyday.
Since the 1980s however, Rashtriyatva took a back seat, as the RSS let the VHP grow out of size and take over the agenda. The BJP officially adopted Hindutva as its agenda in 1989 in what is called the "Palampur Resolution." But now that the BJP is in power, Rashtriyatva is being brought back. And, it has been done successfully because we don't hear about Hindutva any more. This was an incredibly hard to thing to do, but the RSS has managed to do it. Call it the "saffronisation of India." If Amit Jani carried out his threat, we will see it in action. -- Kautilya3 ( talk) 11:10, 29 March 2016 (UTC)
He was alone against a bunch of POV pushers in that SPI. -- Greek Legend ( talk) 02:09, 29 March 2016 (UTC)
Kautilya3 -- sorry, I meant to only remove the photo request. Thanks for catching that screw up on my part! KoshVorlon 19:18, 31 March 2016 (UTC)
MBlaze Lightning - talk! 11:10, 1 April 2016 (UTC)
Just a thought: if my idea of a Dravidian Harappan expansion to south India, which "digested" many local populations, is corrct; then could it be that Shaivism is closer to the older Harappan religiosity, while Vishnuism is closer to Indo-Aryan religiosity? I know you reject this "Dravidian Harappan expansion" anyway, but think about it: the south Indians as the cultural remainders of the older Harappan inheritance. Somehow Asko Parpola seems to think along the same lines. Joshua Jonathan - Let's talk! 11:42, 1 April 2016 (UTC)
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You really deserve this! Keep up the good work. Thanks. MBlaze Lightning - talk! 14:55, 1 April 2016 (UTC) |
Hi Kautilya, you closed some sections at Talk:Bangladesh Liberation War and closed the last section where me and Vinegarymass911 commented. Those are valid comments. Can you please move them to the bottom of proper section. Sheriff | ☎ 911 | 00:34, 2 April 2016 (UTC)
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@Kautilya3: Have you seen Ludo Rocher's more recent review of the term 'Dasas', particularly with respect to Sudras, in ancient and medieval literature? It is in chapter 30 of this, particularly pages 507-512 (edited by Donald Davis Jr). Interesting. Some of it supports what you mentioned months ago, some doesn't. Ms Sarah Welch ( talk) 17:37, 20 April 2016 (UTC)
Here is a direct quote a Govt published "model" book (2013) for Universities :"It has been pointed out that as the popular Bhakti Movement could not take root in Northern India before the Turkish conquest because the socio-religious milieu was dominated by the Rajput-Brahman alliance which was hostile to any heterodox movement. The Turkish conquests brought the supremacy of this alliance to an end. The advent of Islam with the Turkish conquest also caused a setback to the power and prestige commanded by the Brahmans: Thus, the way was paved for the growth of non-conformist movements, with anti-caste and anti-Brahmanical ideology. The Brahmans had always made the people believe that the images and idols in the temples were not just the symbols of God but were gods themselves who possessed divine power and who could be influenced by them (i.e. the Brahmans). The Turks deprived the Brahmins of their temple wealth and state patronage. Thus the Brahmans suffered Both materially and ideologically. The non-conformist sect of the Nathpanthis was perhaps the first to gain from the declining power of the Rajput-Brahman alliance. This sect seems to have reached its peak in the beginning of the Sultanate period. The loss of power and influence by the Brahmans and the new political situation ultimately created conditions for the rise of the popular monotheistic movements and other Bhakti movements in Northern India."
Then, these subaltern historians go on to say how this Bhakti Movement uplifted the majority of Hindus (non-upper caste) and hence the 1206 Turkish conquest was a blessing in disguise for Hindus actually, paving the path for Marathas and Sikhs ultimately. Do you agree with such new interpretations??? Ghatus ( talk) 02:31, 19 April 2016 (UTC)
Another interesting quote from the same source:
" There arose during the Sultanate period (13th-15th century) many popular socio-religious movements in North and East India, and Maharashtra. Emphasis on Bhakti and religious equality were two common features of these movements: As has been pointed out, these two were also the features of the South Indian bhakti movements. Almost all the bhakti movements of the Sultanate period have been related to one South Indian vaishnava acharya or the other. For these reasons, many scholars believe that the bhakti movements of the Sultanate period were a continuation or-resurgence of the older bhakti movement. They argue that there existed philosophical and ideological links between the two either due to contact or diffusion. Thus, Kabir and other leaders of non-conformist monotheistic movements in North India are believed to have been the disciples of Ramananda who, in turn, is believed to have been connected with Ramanuja's philosophical order. Similar claims have been made that Chaitanya, the most significant figure of the vaishnava movement in Bengal, belonged to the philosophical school of Madhava. This movement is also believed to have been connected with Nimbarka's school because of its emphasis on 'Krishna' bhakti.
There are undoubtedly striking similarities between the older bhakti tradition of South India and various bhakti-movements that flourished in the Sultanate and Mughal periods. If we exclude the popular monotheistic movements of Kabir, Nanak and other 'low" caste saints, the two sets of movements can be shown to have possessed many more common features. For example, like the South Indian bhakti movement, the vaishnava bhakti movements of North and Eastern India and Maharashtra, though egalitarian in the religious sphere, never denounced the caste system, the authority of Brahmanical scriptures and the Brahmanical privileges as such.
Consequently, like the South Indian bhakti, most of the vaishnava movements of the later period were ultimately assimilated into the Brahmanical religion, though in the process of interaction, the latter itself underwent many changes. However, the similarities end here. Bhakti movement was never a single movement except in the broad doctrinal sense of a movement which laid emphasis on bhakti and.religious equality. The bhakti movements of medieval India differed in many significant respects not only from the older South Indian bhakti tradition but also among themselves. Each one of them had its own regional identity and socio-historical and cultural contexts. Thus, the non-conformist movements based on popular monotheistic bhakti contained features that were essentially different from various vaishnava bhakti movements, Kabir's notion of bhakti was not the same as that of the medieval vaishnavm saints such as Chaitanya or Mirabai. Within the vaishnav movement, the historical context of Maharashtra bhakti was different from that of the Bengal vaishnavism or North Indian bhakh movement of Ramanand, vallabna, Surdas and Tulsidas. During the later period, when the vaishnava bhakti movement crystallized into sects, there arose frequent disputes between them which sometimes even turned violent. Among all the bhakti movements of the period between the 14th and 17th century, the popular monotheistic movements of Kabir, Nanak, and other "lower" caste saints stand out fundamentally different."
Ghatus ( talk) 10:55, 19 April 2016 (UTC)
@ Joshua Jonathan: The difficulty is that much of the history and evidence is contrary to this hypothesis. Many of the early and famous Bhakti saints were Brahmins, including Ramananda whom many of their medieval texts credit influencing Kabir, Nanak and many others. Kabir, Nanak etc, were not from "low caste", general consensus among scholars is that Kabir was Muslim by birth who criticized Islam (and criticized Hinduism too). Bhakti movement started centuries before Turk invasion, "visibly" grew after 12th century, despite Islam and not because of Islam (see Karen Pechelis' recent book). Nirguna Brahman and nondualism has nothing to do with Islam, because Islam is dualistic monotheism. If there is any sub-school that is closer to Islamic ontology and dualistic theology, that may be Madhvacharya's Dvaita, but even Madhva's views have major differences. Strange are the views in the "model" book proposed there!!! Interesting history reconstruction effort and a creatively imaginative discussion, nevertheless. Ms Sarah Welch ( talk) 18:15, 20 April 2016 (UTC)
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Kindly talk me on Watsapp it's urgent +919876167540 Rohit497 ( talk) 05:43, 21 April 2016 (UTC)
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Thank you both. As a member of WP:INDOPAK, I would request both you to find ways to collaborate with each other rather than confront. Paraphrasing Lord Mountbatten from another context, India and Pakistan can never run away from each other! -- Kautilya3 ( talk) 11:15, 23 April 2016 (UTC)
Hello,
I've noticed that the article is still protected form editing. Also that nobody has added any further comment to the talk page. I was wondering what is happening?
I see that you have removed the sourced reference to Multan in Brahmagupta article, and added an unsourced reference of your own preference. I also saw your reasoning in the talk page [7] of the article where you speculate on the background of the author of my source whilst making references to "Islamists and Pakistani Militarists being thrilled". I have replied there, but I also need to inform you that I have raised a case with Wiki Arbitration here [8] -- Xinjao ( talk) 12:45, 23 April 2016 (UTC)
Thanks i have read you message — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mema zanakh ( talk • contribs) 16:06, 23 April 2016 (UTC)
Hi, replied to you on the talk page of Maya_(illusion) -- Mayasutra [= No ||| Illusion =] ( talk) 14:53, 24 April 2016 (UTC)Mayasutra
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Dear Kautilya3 you appear to have some interest in tidying up this wiki article. An error is now becoming entrenched because it appears to be referenced but no one has checked the reference. It regards the long standing legal action against Sharmila. I can provide some help if you want but if editors can't find it by other means you tend not to want my assistance.
The last paragraph of the Fast and Responses section now states:
These are references to two separate trials somehow mashed together. She was in Delhi from 28-31 March having been released by a judge in Imphal who had not heard any of the evidence at that trial in Imphal the newly appointed CJM IW. He had held her for over 400 days and then released her unconditionally earlier in March but not on the day stated in wiki. Previously the longest she had been detained continuously was 758 days http://scroll.in/article/804983/why-irom-sharmilas-fast-holds-no-meaning-for-those-shes-trying-to-move but on that occasion (2004) the Supreme Court ordered her release on the grounds that a year comprises 365 days. Since then she had been released after a maximum of 367 days until the last occasion where a manipuri prison year lasted for over 400. You can check for exactly how long if it interests you.
The date of 28 March has no supporting reference. On 30 March she was declared not guilty of IPC 309 again by a new judge who had not heard any of the previous evidence and was released conditionally with some kind of six month detention order in case the judgement was appealed. That was the trial in Delhi which has now ended.
The trial in Imphal is awaiting the charge sheet which the Police claim they have despatched but the new judge there says hasn't arrived the next hearing is 3 May 2016. I don't know how intested you are in tidying up this article but mistakes after a period become entrenched. I leave it up to you you appear to be interested for now. Desmond Coutinho using Portumna Library Computer free access I believe the IP address follows 83.71.21.137 ( talk) 11:12, 23 April 2016 (UTC)
I believe under conflict of interest or something I am advised not to edit the page directly. I am Irom Sharmila's fiance. I have known her for about seven years and did 77 days prison with the torture option for her last year. Wiki editors get very touchy about how things are done it is my belief if what I am saying is verifiable and true then others can work it out. I don't really understand the rule of wiki so I feel it's better just to point out to others who do understand the rules that there are errors. But I am not pressing the matter. But thanks for your courteous response. If you don't have time perhaps someone else will. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 83.71.21.137 ( talk) 15:32, 23 April 2016 (UTC) Just to confirm what I said above. I am Sharmila's fiance I am not making any more edits so please kindly stop reminding me to do so. The latest message apparently from you tells me not to make edits and this earlier one tells me to make edits. I am going with my plan not to make edits can you please stop reminding me not to make edits or ask me to make edits and then tell me not to do so. Thank you. If you are too busy to edit the sharmila page then that's fine too I have lost all real interest in wiki. I hope you don't take offence at my response and bar the library computer but if that's what you want to do knock yourself out. Des again. 86.46.197.108 ( talk) 08:48, 25 April 2016 (UTC)
Don't strike comments made by other editors. It is basic wiki etiquette, read about it at WP:TPO. FreeatlastChitchat ( talk) 16:07, 28 April 2016 (UTC)
Please see Talk:Kashmir_conflict#Editing_Restrictions -- regentspark ( comment) 17:20, 28 April 2016 (UTC)
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Hi User, Thanks for sharing your view points on the article Brahminsm. Actually I am working on the same project in my university and I like to add the same topic to wikipedia also.Please help me by giving your valuable suggestions. Your view points are always welcomed.We can disscuss about the topic on the talk page of the article.-- IrumudiChozhan ( talk) 17:28, 3 May 2016 (UTC)
Brahminsm is a seperate topic related to the influence of Brahmins in Hindu religion. There are so many references are available throughout India.Aryans (Brahmins) are seperate race migrated to India around 1500 BCE through Khyber and Bholan pass.They invaded India and they influenced the religion of native people and created castes and divisions through religious texts.Even they deviced penal codes in which different punishments are available for the same crime based on caste.The mahabharatha incident ekalaiva and karna are true and can be verified.Even many reformists in India tried to reform Hinduism and tried to reduce the influence of Aryans on Hinduism. I dont have much experience in editing wikipedia article.So I am not able to provide citations. But I am having all the source material or reference material. We can discuss all of them in this talk page. If we simply delete this article in future we are stopping a chance to know about the topic. So view points of everyone is welcomed and we all can disscuss about this topic -- IrumudiChozhan ( talk) 17:49, 3 May 2016 (UTC)
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I think WP:RfC will be a good option in order to achieve consensus. Bharatiya 29 09:32, 6 May 2016 (UTC)
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Please look at this version of the article "Buddha in a Traffic Jam". I feel it was not neutral. If you also feel so, please help in improving it. Thanks -- Gaurav ( talk) 09:01, 9 May 2016 (UTC)
"exposes the sinister politics of the nexus of Naxals, NGOs, Academia and the Intelligentsia of India". -- Gaurav ( talk) 14:18, 9 May 2016 (UTC)
What is happening in Yadav page is nothing but ganging up of three Pakistani editors. The remedy lies in involving maximum editors on the talk page including 1 or 2 admins. Only then NPOV can be established. It seems to be the only solution now. Ghatus ( talk) 11:58, 9 May 2016 (UTC)
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This appears to be a reliable source:
Kushwaha, R.S. (2003). Glimpses of Bhāratiya history. Ocean Books.
ISBN
9788188322404
Would you be able to offer any insight(reliability)? Do you have access to this book which would in able you to check some things?
Also, what do you know about Jai Dev Anand? When he lived, died, etc, etc. Because it would appear he lived nearly two hundred years, defeating both Mahmud of Ghazni(d.1030) and Muhammad of Ghor(d.1206). -- Kansas Bear ( talk) 20:54, 12 May 2016 (UTC)
Text under discussion: Historically, Balochistan has been treated as an "internal colony" by the Punjabi-dominated central government, extracting profits from the province's natural resources with only a "miniscule portion" going into local development. [1]
Please refrain from insertion of Weasel words into the article regarding the China Pakistan Economic Corridor. You indeed have provided a source, but your choice of wording which includes : "Punjabi dominated" Pakistan using Balochistan as an "internal colony" to whom only a "miniscule portion" of natural resource revenue goes is clearly Weasel Wording. Willard84 ( talk) 22:09, 13 May 2016 (UTC)
Further, I just read the source you quoted. It offers absolutely no numbers to justify the term "miniscule portion" of resource revenue reverting to Balochistan, nor does it even explain why the author used the term "internal colony" (which he uses also to reference Indian rule in Assam - I'm certain if I insert this into the Assam article that Indian contributors would remove it, and rightfully so, because the author again does not explain the use of this term).
Please bear in mind that just because something is published in a book, that does not make it a good source if the author neglects to even justify usage of such charged terms. Willard84 ( talk) 22:14, 13 May 2016 (UTC)
I went even a step further, and looked more deeply into this article you posted. Firstly, the book you quoted merely mentions the findings of one Adeel Khan. I found the paper by Adeel Khan who was quoted in your source. He writes: "He [Adeel Khan] would like to thank Siddiq Baloch, a senior journalist and Baloch nationalist, for providing him with contacts in Gwadar and for insights on the Balochistan Crisis". [2] This is a biased source, and the article itself doesnt even mention a "Punjabi dominated state," but rather a Punjabi dominated military. Nor does he provide any numbers he was using to calculate the "miniscule portion" of revenues being directed back to the provincial government. Willard84 ( talk) 22:26, 13 May 2016 (UTC)
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Pradeepwb 15:52, 15 May 2016 (UTC)I reversed your edit in that page, because "ishvara-pranidhana" is an important subject in any commentary in Yoga Sutras as it introduces devotional approach in yoga practices; the known authority in this matter David Gordon White pointed out, "Edwin Bryant,... considered ishvara-pranidhana to refer to the practice of devotion to Krishna"; similar view is given by Baba Hari Dass, a known master yogi, who wrote his own Yoga Sutras commentary where this practice is included in Bhakti yoga. Several other authors also support that view as well.
"systematically exposes the logical weaknesses of most of the arguments that support the consensus of either side.." -- this edit was introduced by someone else. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Pradeepwb ( talk • contribs) 15:52, 15 May 2016 (UTC)
I posted in the Talk page for saffron terror but no one has replied. The articles needs drastic changes given new ruling on the court regarding the subject matter. It is now precisely verified that it is a conspiracy by UPA and is not a real thing. I have posted sources on the talk page and can also provide more sources given this new ruling.
Kushagr.sharma1 (
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Thank you very much for your guidance.
Kushagr.sharma1 ( talk) 16:06, 15 May 2016 (UTC)
Vanamonde93 Thank you very much for your response. There have been more developments since I last posted that. What I want to know is what type of secondary source will it take to show the conspiracy. The government has started calling out the UPA for the conspiracy and certain newspapers are also agreeing that it is indeed nothing more than a fake conspiracy.
Newspapers showing what the government is saying [1] News showing it is a sham by congress [2] Another [3]
If these do not satisfy the require I can wait until more sources come out. At the very least the article does need serious changes. Kushagr.sharma1 ( talk) 21:48, 16 May 2016 (UTC)
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Why can't we think of civilisation as a process of tracking cultures? -- Ghatus ( talk) 13:05, 24 May 2016 (UTC)
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Take the edits to the relevant talkpage and do not engage in edit warring please. Arun Kumar SINGH (Talk) 21:02, 26 May 2016 (UTC)
Concerning the furthest reaches of the Seleucid Empire. [9] Your thoughts? Since per Thapar [10], the Seleucid's were holding Trans-Indus region. Would not Pakistan(for a modern state representation) be more correct? -- Kansas Bear ( talk) 21:24, 26 May 2016 (UTC)
IF grammar of any paragraph is not correct, improve grammar. Don't remove entire paragraphs. All things mentioned there is historically correct and relevant reference is given. So remove them only when you have evidences to prove your claim. CAKrutesh ( talk) 15:54, 27 May 2016 (UTC)
Pleasr ask Bb to restore Torture in Pakistan It's a decent article 82.21.35.147 ( talk) 17:45, 28 May 2016 (UTC)
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Hi Kautilya3. A new user (or some one who has no real history of edits on wiki) called Civfanatic has been edit warring in the above article claiming that Telugu language was a major (central) language of administration in the empire but is unable to produce any secondary or other sources to support this. user Pied hornbill and myself have been refuting this as there is no evidence in books written by over a dozen authors we researched to support civfanatic's claims. He has one source that has listed a few Telugu inscriptions (not sure if they are published) from that period (c.543-745) but only from the Telugu speaking regions and toward the very end of the empire's existence. No mainstream author that I can search far mentions Telugu language as a language of epigraphy or administration of this empire. They only discuss Sanskrit and Kannada as the main languages of the empire and this has held water for almost 10 years since the FA was created. Please drop by and read the discussion on the talk page. I don't know if you are an admin. If you are, that's good. If you are not, let me know whom I can contact so the article can be locked up while discussions are in progress. Civfanatic does not seem to be interested in a mature discussion on the topic. I have a feeling he is an old hat called Kumarrao was was blocked numerous times in the 2007-2008 timeframe for edit warring with the Karnataka work group who created the FA around 2007. Our contention is Telugu was only a regional language at best, not the main language of epigraphy at that time. Mayasandra ( talk) 21:33, 30 May 2016 (UTC)
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Before you post baseless crap onto talk pages because your Indian pov is being removed look at who initiated the revert go and ask your Indian ip friend to discuss on the talk page that edit has been there for months and stop accusing people of wrong doing when they have not. 2A02:C7D:14FC:C600:25E3:629:71E6:8671 ( talk) 17:19, 4 June 2016 (UTC)
Please explain how this is "spam". There may be issues with the content, but how is it spam? Sundayclose ( talk) 18:05, 4 June 2016 (UTC)
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Recently published research paper( May 2016) in the 'Nature' journal concludes that IVC is 2500 years older than presently accepted which places the civilisation in the 6,000 BC. Institutions involved in the research study: 1. Indian Institute of Technology, Kharagpur, 2. Institute of Archaeology, Deccan College, Pune, 3. Physical Research Laboratory and; 4. Archaeological Survey of India
Research paper name: Oxygen isotope in archaeological bioapatites from India: Implications to climate change and decline of Bronze Age Harappan civilization Anindya Sarkar, Arati Deshpande Mukherjee, M. K. Bera, B. Das, Navin Juyal, P. Morthekai, R. D. Deshpande, V. S. Shinde & L. S. Rao Scientific Reports 6, Article number: 26555 (2016) doi:10.1038/srep26555 Palaeoclimate Received: 05 November 2015 Accepted: 29 April 2016 Published online: 25 May 2016 Their links: 1. http://www.nature.com/articles/srep26555 2. https://iitkgp.org/content/iit-kgp-researchers-say-indus-valley-civilization-india-older-thought 3. http://thediplomat.com/2016/06/revealed-the-truth-behind-the-indus-valley-civilizations-collapse/
I request you to please analyse this research study and add this info into the IVC wikipedia page. I'm asking you b/c if I edit, it will be reverted even after I provide genuine and reliable reference. So, please take it up if you can. — Preceding unsigned comment added by BodduLokesh ( talk • contribs) 08:46, 6 June 2016 (UTC)
Then, can this research paper be helpful in adding new research data about climate change aspects of IVC, b/c the parties involved in the research are in the top rated ones in the Indian subcontinent. BodduLokesh ( talk) 05:29, 7 June 2016 (UTC)
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I'm breifing you about this just to let you know.
Recently, I read this explanation given by an 95 year old ancient yoga and sanskrit teacher in one of his written records. He mentioned every sound in sanskrit is attributed a particular meaning. While explaining an important concept related to yoga, he mentioned the reason why right from pre-vedic times(the period when sanskrit is developed) most of the tribes/communities(in vedas) and in later period kings and kingdoms of Indian sub-continent always tried to affiliate themselves to the term 'Bharat' in one way or the other. He said we have to understand the meaning affiliated to sounds in sanskrit.
For example guru = gu+ru => gu=ignorance, ru=remover, guru=remover of ignorance.
Similarly, Bharat = Bha+rat/rati => bha=self-luminous, rat/rati=intense desire,love,attraction,interest.
So, Bharata is the one who has intense desire towards the self-luminous state. This in yogic terms means to attain Samadhi(real existence state). Acc to Patanjali's yogasutras, 8th and the final stage of yoga. This is the reason why even in vedas, where ever the word Bharata occurs it is given extreme importance and the same is followed till today, but the only difference now and then is that the ancient meaning behind the word is forgotten in present India.
So, Acc to the yogic explanation, any person who has intense desire to attain samadhi (real state of existence), is termed as Bharata/Bharat. This is the main reason why the word 'Bharat' is given extreme importance right from ancient times, through mythological stories either puranas or Ithihasas or even vedas for that matter.
I just wanted to inform you some good knowledge. BodduLokesh ( talk) 12:56, 7 June 2016 (UTC)
I doesn't require to become a great person like Gandhi to be called Bharata, what I require is having intense desire to know about myself. Rat in Bharat comes from rati which means intense desire. Here rati is towards 'bha'.
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Hello, Kautilya! I just saw your edits on this page. Do you think this removal was correct? It was sourced from the original website of RSS and book and I think that the removal was wrong so I reverted it. I would like to know your opinion. With regards, Terabar ( talk) 09:45, 21 June 2016 (UTC)
My prof told me that Sher Shah issued coins with inscription both in Persian and Sanskrit. It was a unique thing in the Medieval Period. But, I could not get material in its support. Suddenly, I looked into the wiki article of Sher Shah. Just look at the bottom of the first coin. His name is written. -- Ghatus ( talk) 05:51, 20 June 2016 (UTC)
I am also beginning to think that the so-called "insularity" of Indians was propaganda by Al Beruni and later by the British, both of whom hung out a lot with chauvinist Brahmins and imagined that they represented all of India. The trade routes had always been open, despite Islam, until the British closed them as part of their imperialist policies. The Chabahar route might be the greatest legacy that Modi is likely to leave behind. -- Kautilya3 ( talk) 08:16, 20 June 2016 (UTC)
I don't mean to say that Al Beruni was making up stories that weren't true. But I think he was being selective, and was hearing what he wanted to hear. We don't find him talking about the bonhomie that existed between Hindus and Muslims that Romila Thapar narrates. He was the first one to have written that Hindus hated Muslims. There begins a long line that ends with Jinnah. -- Kautilya3 ( talk) 21:55, 20 June 2016 (UTC)
The famous quote of Al Beruni, which Thapar called the "most incisive" one of the 11th century :
"The Hindus believe that there is no country but theirs, no nation like theirs, no kings like theirs, no religion like theirs, no science like theirs.They are haughty, foolishly vain, self-conceited, and stolid. They are by nature niggardly in communicating that which they know, and they take the greatest possible care to withhold it from men of another caste among their own people, still much more, of course, from any foreigner ... Their haughtiness is such that, if you tell them of any science or scholar in Khorasan and Persis, they will think you to be both an ignoramus and a liar. If they traveled and mixed with other nations, they would soon change their mind, for their ancestors were not as narrow-minded as the present generation is."
-- Ghatus ( talk) 14:12, 21 June 2016 (UTC)
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Hi, I'm MBlaze Lightning. I noticed that you are a very well experienced editor and you are contributing to India and Pakistan related articles from a long time, i guess! I want to inform you about continuous POV pushing and TAG-TEAMING and off-wiki communications between few editors mostly belonging to pakistan. You may like to have a look to these edits First, Second, Third, Fourth, and several more wiki articles mainly related to India-Pakisan, and those must be on your watchlist i guess! So you see, these guys are adding blatant controversial contents/POV/ WP:FALSEBALANCE, WP:ATTRIBUTEPOV. There edits gives WP:UNDUE weight in the article, and ultimately they are violating several wiki policies like WP:BALASPS and to some extent WP:RS.
I was about to take this matter to an administrator but i found you more helpful in this case! I expect, that you will have your attention towards this. Thank You! MBlaze Lightning ( talk) 11:09, 16 March 2016 (UTC)
You're going to love this one:
So far for 40,000 years old ANI. Joshua Jonathan - Let's talk! 10:52, 12 March 2016 (UTC)
Ghatus ( talk) 12:15, 12 March 2016 (UTC)Hymns of the Rigveda yield extensive evidence of the importance of cattle in the Early Vedic society. Many linguistic expressions in the Rigveda are associated with the cow (gau). Cattle was the chief measure of wealth and a wealthy man who owned many cattle was called 'gomat'. The terms used for conflicts and battles in this period were gavishti, gavesana, gavyat, etc. The former literally means 'to search for cows'. The terms themselves suggest that possession of cattle was the bone of contention betwee goups and led to occasional inter-tribal fights and conflicts. The Panis, who. were the enemies of the Vedic people, are stated in the Rigveda to have hidden their wealth, mostly cows, in the mountains and forests. The Vedic god Indra was invoked to release these cattle. This reference suggests that cattle raids were common. The raja or the chief is called the 'gopati' or one who protects cows. In the Rigveda, Godhuli is used as a term for a measure of time. Distance is called gavyuti. A daughter is called duhitr or one who milk the cows. Kinship units are labelled as gotra.
I think now you can understand the importance of the cows and milk to the north of the Vindhyas. It's an off the mark intervention, but I even did not know this few days ago. So the moment you talked about IA languages, Milk and Cows, these are the few historical thinks came to my mind first. Ghatus ( talk) 12:19, 12 March 2016 (UTC)
( talk page stalker) Scandinavians are the most lactose tolerant people on earth, from what I've read, so it might very well have spread south from there, across Europe. And since I've seen totally wild claims here on en-WP that Jats descend from the Jutes of Southern Scandinavia, maybe there's a connection? (Just joking, there's absolutely nothing that supports a connection between Jats and Jutes...) Thomas.W talk 12:51, 12 March 2016 (UTC)
I think trying to connect language to genetics etc is pretty dodgy territory and it reminds me of scientific racists. And genetic studies themselves are also dodgy territory from a Wikipedia perspective: far too many small-scale ones reliant on self-identification, far too new a science, far too many variables. That's why they've tended not to be used in caste articles. - Sitush ( talk) 12:33, 12 March 2016 (UTC)
"Clean up behind JJ's additions"? Tss tss. I see another prospect, a change of narrative: a rainbow-flag with not just seven, but a ot more colours, and a banner "India, home of the world," where all streams of migration come together. No "pure Aryans" and whatever, but a proud specimen of the world's almost entire genetic history. Joshua Jonathan - Let's talk! 08:47, 13 March 2016 (UTC)
Well, of course. I am fully confident that the VHP will spearhead the Rainbow Movement!
Coming back to the present, there is often far too much statistics lingo that is not explained, and inexcusable in papers that claim to make general observations for historians. I barely understand some of it due to my math background, and I can see that the claims are overblown. To give one example, Sahoo (2006), which has Estonians as coauthors, says that the Indians migrated to Central Asia because there is a gradient of decreasing genetic diversity. However Reich (2009) contradict them saying that the Indian diversity is due to Indian caste groups having small numbers of founders. The Estonians seem to have accepted it, but never said that what they wrote in Sahoo (2006) has been abandoned. In some of your edits, JJ, you make it appear as if Sahoo (2006) is the final word. - Kautilya3 ( talk) 09:07, 13 March 2016 (UTC)
Hi Kautilya3: the more I think about it, the more obvious it is: The ANI-component in the Indian genepool were the Dravidian Harappans, who came from Iran/Levant, bringing with them farming, R1a and lactose-tolerance. Due to farming their population grew rapidly, and they started to colonialise southern India, over land (Deccan plateau) and over sea, just like the Greek started colonies in the Mediterranean. The Indo-Europeans were only a minor addition to this genepool, though a major cultural and linguistic influence. If the Harappans were not the ANI, then we're looking for a mysterious consituent of the Indian genepool who managed to hide themselves from the Indo-Europeans (where are the ANI-loans?), yet had a major impact on the Indian population. If they were not Dravidian, omposing their language on the ASI-population, then we're looking for an unknown language in Indian, spoken by a million people back then, which magically disappeared. And if they did not come from Iran/Levant, then where else? Not from the steppes either, and also not from east Asia. Think about it, please. I saw it, others saw it, and I'm pretty sure a lot of geneticists and linguists/anthropologists also see it. Anyway, in this light, Sahoo et al. (2006) is indeed nonsense.Best regards, Joshua Jonathan - Let's talk! 05:17, 15 March 2016 (UTC)
Ok, I will keep it in mind. But note that, if the Harappans colonised any place, they would have left their bricks there, and even granaries and public baths etc. South India shows none of this. It had Deccan megalithic cultures, which seem entirely independent of of the Harappans. George L. Hart finds the Deccan cultural elements entering Sanskrit by the time of Kalidasa, via Maharashtra. Sanskrit didn't have them earlier. The Harappans and the South Indians could have spoken similar languages, but culturally, they seem quite dissimilar. Finally, there is no evidence of mixing between the "ANI Harappans" and the "ASI South Indians" before 2,200 BC. So I am afraid the evidence against this theory is quite overwhelming. - Kautilya3 ( talk) 09:23, 15 March 2016 (UTC)
Ok, this paper is disproving your ANI-Dravidian connection. The relevant quote is in the Razib Khan blog. The Iranian mtDNA is found among the Dravidians as HV14a1 and U1a1a4. There is also a correspondence in the Y-DNA in terms of the L1a lineage. But the Dravidians don't have the L1b and L1c lineages which are also found in the Iranian populations. If they told us how old the latter lineages are, we would be able to infer when the Dravidians migrated from Iran to India. But the authors seem to think the migration happened in 9100 BP, in neolithic times. In any case, L1a is not found among the North Indians. So this is clearly unrelated to the ANI. Both the males and females migrated, unlike the ANI who either didn't bring their females or, if they brought them, ignored them and mated with lots of local females.
I guess you need to look at Pagel et al., 2013 to find out about the development of the proto-Dravidian language 15,000 BP. - Kautilya3 ( talk) 01:06, 16 March 2016 (UTC)
Well, here's Michael Witzel speaking! Joshua Jonathan - Let's talk! 21:04, 16 March 2016 (UTC)
Hi कुटिल, It seems somebody has put entire stuff(including 'bharat mata' slogan thing under the "Political career" section of the article.. I think you were right and the article looks more balanced now ..thanks Adamstraw99 ( talk) 15:57, 17 March 2016 (UTC)
Hi Kautilya3, i have noticed that just like Asaduddin article you are reverting my edits on this article too(tactfully ignoring those who start the revert of my text). anyway, As suggested by you, i have decided to talk more and edit less. in the process i have put a new section on Azad talk page. I Hope you will respond there..
And about previous comment, my hindi typing tool couldn't write kautilya properly in hindi hence it was कुटिल .. this is nothing more than ONLY a co-incidence that कुटिल is also referred to this guy -->> Jeevan (actor).. sorry about that..thanx Adamstraw99 ( talk) 01:55, 18 March 2016 (UTC)
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Hi Kautilya, it does seem fair that such historical matters require scholarly sources, but I've noticed that other pages, allow for such new articles. Plus this topic has affected me and my family personally. But now that I think about it, I feel as if what I wrote should be on the Hyderabadi Muslims Wikipedia page and not on this one, though they relate. Do you think this would be a good Idea? Thanks anyways for keeping Wikipedia a trustworthy website. Hammad.511234 (talk) 22:46, 19 March 2016 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Hammad.511234 ( talk • contribs)
Hi. How are you Kautilya? I am extremely busy in my real life duties. I hope you are taking care of all controversial matters on Wikipedia. You are one of editor who inspired me very much in my initial days on Wikipedia. I really miss my Wikipedia days. Wikipedia is one of best thing happened in my life. When I look back in my life I really feel proud that I have contributed to some extend to Wikipedia. Now a days I don't edit Wikipedia. But I remember and miss many Wikipedia editors, I miss all my wikifriends and also my "opponents" badly. It was so nice time. I hope one day I will come back actively, till then I leave it on you. I wish you best luck for editing and for your happy life. Cheers. -- Human3015 TALK 18:24, 20 March 2016 (UTC)
Looks like Kivisild has interesting things to say. I'm reallu curious about the discussions between Reich, Tangaraj, Kivisild, Metspalu and Manjoori. Joshua Jonathan - Let's talk! 19:34, 20 March 2016 (UTC)
Hi Kautilya, Whats up with the images for articles on ethnic groups being removed? Wasiq 9320 ( talk) 15:31, 21 March 2016 (UTC)
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I, to a large extent, agree with this- The Historiography of Medieval India Needs a Middle Way Ghatus ( talk) 12:25, 22 March 2016 (UTC)
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... says Shehla Rashid Shora. Nice slogan, but not exactly true. It is in fact the "old" communalism. See Hindutva#Hedgewar and Rashtriya Swayamsevak Sangh and also Hindutva#Bharatiya Jana Sangh. How do we get Indian students to read Wikipedia? -- Kautilya3 ( talk) 15:16, 25 March 2016 (UTC)
Hi, is there any way through which I can have full access to a book source? Like this book isn't available in full view, so is there any way through at least a full page can be seen online? MBlaze Lightning - talk! 17:03, 25 March 2016 (UTC)
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Thanks for the message about "edit summary" which I will keep in mind in future. Normally I think some edit summary gets auto-generated but that did not happen here. Thanks. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 59.182.128.6 ( talk) 11:54, 28 March 2016 (UTC)
Dear Kautilya, thank you for your warm welcome and for the update on the wiki pedia guidelines as well . I hope I will learn and contribute constructively. Being a relatively inexperienced editor I wanted to ask you something. There is a portion on Hussain Haqqani article which I believe violate Wikipedia rules and guidelines, the following section is quoted as follows:
"The Wall Street Journal described Haqqani as "a hostage" while he was in Pakistan and published an interview with him from the Prime Minister's house in which he outlined why he was hated by Pakistan's intelligence services and Jihadi groups.[47] Michel Hirsh, writing in The Atlantic, described Haqqani as "The Last Friendly Pakistani" towards the US[48] Jeffrey Goldberg, writing for The Atlantic and Bloomberg News, has been a consistent supporter of Haqqani, calling him "The Hardest Working Man in Washington" and criticising Pakistan's military and security services[49][50] Simon Tisdall of The Guardian called Haqqani "an instinctive ally of the west" and attributed Memogate to the ambassador's difficult relationship with Pakistan intelligence service.[51]"
Isn`t this portion based on the OPEDs which I believe goes against the wikipedia policies. Can you elaborate on this because I want to remove this section DelusionMBT ( talk) 18:41, 26 March 2016 (UTC)
Dear Kautilya,
Thank you for your response. I agree with you, Hussain Haqqani is indeed a respectable scholar. But please lets not make this about India-Pakistan we are neighbours and should remain as such saying that Pakistan doesn`t have newspapers which are critical of its government or the establishment is totally false. I am a regular reader of dawn an independent newspaper but as for the case of tribune I agree it still needs time to mature up a bit. Being critical of a government policies doesn`t make you an anti-national rather its a good thing to introspect. In my opinion you are a neutral editor but Wikipedia instead of being a battle ground between the people of the two countries should be a platform where we can work together considerate of one another to make our region a better and prosperous one. I don`t doubt your intentions. But the section which I have pointed out is a highly biased POV that too based on OPeds. Have a great its been great talking to you. Thank you long live India & Pakistan :) DelusionMBT ( talk) 08:27, 27 March 2016 (UTC)
Dear Kautilya,
Going through the talk page I believe the reason Ayesha Jalal work was objected to/against was because of the conflict of interest. It also seemed to compromise the integrity of Mr. Mansoor Ijaz claims due to her rather personal association with Hussain Haqqani. As for Haqqani working with the Indian lobby it sure is a bone of contention between the Pakistani and Indian editors, mainly the reason for this is the nexus which is being operated by Tarek Fatah, Hussain Haqqani and Christine Fair. Tarek Fatah and Christine Fair unlike Hussain Haqqani have been pretty unreasonable and unscholarly not to mention at times bigoted, I have personally myself seen Hussain Haqqani sharing the same platform with the duo . As for the mention of the Indian lobby, the reason given by Hussain Haqqani for preventing anti-terrorist aid/machinery to pakistan was that it would be used against india which obviously resulted into a reaction from Pakistan saying that he is working for the Indian lobby same is true for his opposition to the sale of Military hardware to Pakistan which includes Viper Helicopters and 8 F-16s. These are the reasons which I believe are the source of the contentions, also by Indian lobby it is meant the Indian caucas at the Capitol Hill. The section I pointed out to contain things like "Last friendly Pakistani towards the west" like what is this? Of course such things will lead towards more misunderstandings. Wishing you the best for the future. Take cares
DelusionMBT ( talk) 11:33, 27 March 2016 (UTC)
Thank you, I totally agree with you. DelusionMBT ( talk) 12:50, 28 March 2016 (UTC)
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Up to a few months ago, the discourse was about Modi, the RSS, VHP, Ayodhya, Gujarat, forced conversions, attacks on churches, rising intolerance etc. Hindutva has now taken charge, changing the discourse to nationalism, Kashmir, Bharat Mata, Sanskrit, and what have you. The Nazis are here finally. Dear friends, where are you? - Kautilya3 ( talk) 17:36, 20 March 2016 (UTC)
Rabrindranath Tagore once said that “people who need to be hypnotised with shrieking invocations to a mother or a deity, do not love their country so much as they love passion. The attempt to maintain a stronger infatuation with something over and above the truth is a symptom of our instilled sense of slavery.” [4]. - Kautilya3 ( talk) 21:33, 20 March 2016 (UTC)
@ Ghatus: Perhaps I do use the term "Nazi" lightly, because it is the ideology that I care about. Here is the record, documented by Ghulam Nabi Azad in the Rajya Sabbha: [5]. Sorry folks, it is in Hindi. If I can find a written coverage of the speech, I will post it here. - Kautilya3 ( talk) 18:34, 28 March 2016 (UTC)
Hold on, we can talk about resilience of India some other time. What I am trying to say is precisely what was in the first couple of sentences of my post. The "Hindu" part of the "Hindu nationalism" has been dropped. Why this has been done is quite clear to me. It will also be clear to you if you think about it for a second. But how it has been done was narrated by Ghulam Nabi Azad in his speech, which I didn't quite know until this point. The result of this changed narrative is the threat issued by a goon of the Samajwadi party yesterday that he was going to gun down the JNUSU activists by the 31st. I understand that he is entirely capable of doing it. Whether anybody else is taking him seriously, I don't know. I am waiting with bated breath.
As scholars, we should note that this is not a new ploy. The RSS was originally supposed to have been called "Hindu Swayamsevak Sangh," as per the wishes of the Hindu Mahasabha sponsors of Hedgewar. But he would have none of it and, in the end, his sponsors relented. He quickly outgrew the Hindu Mahasabha. According to the RSS explanation, Hedgewar realized that Hindutva and Rashtriyatva meant the same thing. That sentence needs to be imprinted on a plaque and put up on a wall, so that we read it again and again everyday.
Since the 1980s however, Rashtriyatva took a back seat, as the RSS let the VHP grow out of size and take over the agenda. The BJP officially adopted Hindutva as its agenda in 1989 in what is called the "Palampur Resolution." But now that the BJP is in power, Rashtriyatva is being brought back. And, it has been done successfully because we don't hear about Hindutva any more. This was an incredibly hard to thing to do, but the RSS has managed to do it. Call it the "saffronisation of India." If Amit Jani carried out his threat, we will see it in action. -- Kautilya3 ( talk) 11:10, 29 March 2016 (UTC)
He was alone against a bunch of POV pushers in that SPI. -- Greek Legend ( talk) 02:09, 29 March 2016 (UTC)
Kautilya3 -- sorry, I meant to only remove the photo request. Thanks for catching that screw up on my part! KoshVorlon 19:18, 31 March 2016 (UTC)
MBlaze Lightning - talk! 11:10, 1 April 2016 (UTC)
Just a thought: if my idea of a Dravidian Harappan expansion to south India, which "digested" many local populations, is corrct; then could it be that Shaivism is closer to the older Harappan religiosity, while Vishnuism is closer to Indo-Aryan religiosity? I know you reject this "Dravidian Harappan expansion" anyway, but think about it: the south Indians as the cultural remainders of the older Harappan inheritance. Somehow Asko Parpola seems to think along the same lines. Joshua Jonathan - Let's talk! 11:42, 1 April 2016 (UTC)
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@Kautilya3: Have you seen Ludo Rocher's more recent review of the term 'Dasas', particularly with respect to Sudras, in ancient and medieval literature? It is in chapter 30 of this, particularly pages 507-512 (edited by Donald Davis Jr). Interesting. Some of it supports what you mentioned months ago, some doesn't. Ms Sarah Welch ( talk) 17:37, 20 April 2016 (UTC)
Here is a direct quote a Govt published "model" book (2013) for Universities :"It has been pointed out that as the popular Bhakti Movement could not take root in Northern India before the Turkish conquest because the socio-religious milieu was dominated by the Rajput-Brahman alliance which was hostile to any heterodox movement. The Turkish conquests brought the supremacy of this alliance to an end. The advent of Islam with the Turkish conquest also caused a setback to the power and prestige commanded by the Brahmans: Thus, the way was paved for the growth of non-conformist movements, with anti-caste and anti-Brahmanical ideology. The Brahmans had always made the people believe that the images and idols in the temples were not just the symbols of God but were gods themselves who possessed divine power and who could be influenced by them (i.e. the Brahmans). The Turks deprived the Brahmins of their temple wealth and state patronage. Thus the Brahmans suffered Both materially and ideologically. The non-conformist sect of the Nathpanthis was perhaps the first to gain from the declining power of the Rajput-Brahman alliance. This sect seems to have reached its peak in the beginning of the Sultanate period. The loss of power and influence by the Brahmans and the new political situation ultimately created conditions for the rise of the popular monotheistic movements and other Bhakti movements in Northern India."
Then, these subaltern historians go on to say how this Bhakti Movement uplifted the majority of Hindus (non-upper caste) and hence the 1206 Turkish conquest was a blessing in disguise for Hindus actually, paving the path for Marathas and Sikhs ultimately. Do you agree with such new interpretations??? Ghatus ( talk) 02:31, 19 April 2016 (UTC)
Another interesting quote from the same source:
" There arose during the Sultanate period (13th-15th century) many popular socio-religious movements in North and East India, and Maharashtra. Emphasis on Bhakti and religious equality were two common features of these movements: As has been pointed out, these two were also the features of the South Indian bhakti movements. Almost all the bhakti movements of the Sultanate period have been related to one South Indian vaishnava acharya or the other. For these reasons, many scholars believe that the bhakti movements of the Sultanate period were a continuation or-resurgence of the older bhakti movement. They argue that there existed philosophical and ideological links between the two either due to contact or diffusion. Thus, Kabir and other leaders of non-conformist monotheistic movements in North India are believed to have been the disciples of Ramananda who, in turn, is believed to have been connected with Ramanuja's philosophical order. Similar claims have been made that Chaitanya, the most significant figure of the vaishnava movement in Bengal, belonged to the philosophical school of Madhava. This movement is also believed to have been connected with Nimbarka's school because of its emphasis on 'Krishna' bhakti.
There are undoubtedly striking similarities between the older bhakti tradition of South India and various bhakti-movements that flourished in the Sultanate and Mughal periods. If we exclude the popular monotheistic movements of Kabir, Nanak and other 'low" caste saints, the two sets of movements can be shown to have possessed many more common features. For example, like the South Indian bhakti movement, the vaishnava bhakti movements of North and Eastern India and Maharashtra, though egalitarian in the religious sphere, never denounced the caste system, the authority of Brahmanical scriptures and the Brahmanical privileges as such.
Consequently, like the South Indian bhakti, most of the vaishnava movements of the later period were ultimately assimilated into the Brahmanical religion, though in the process of interaction, the latter itself underwent many changes. However, the similarities end here. Bhakti movement was never a single movement except in the broad doctrinal sense of a movement which laid emphasis on bhakti and.religious equality. The bhakti movements of medieval India differed in many significant respects not only from the older South Indian bhakti tradition but also among themselves. Each one of them had its own regional identity and socio-historical and cultural contexts. Thus, the non-conformist movements based on popular monotheistic bhakti contained features that were essentially different from various vaishnava bhakti movements, Kabir's notion of bhakti was not the same as that of the medieval vaishnavm saints such as Chaitanya or Mirabai. Within the vaishnav movement, the historical context of Maharashtra bhakti was different from that of the Bengal vaishnavism or North Indian bhakh movement of Ramanand, vallabna, Surdas and Tulsidas. During the later period, when the vaishnava bhakti movement crystallized into sects, there arose frequent disputes between them which sometimes even turned violent. Among all the bhakti movements of the period between the 14th and 17th century, the popular monotheistic movements of Kabir, Nanak, and other "lower" caste saints stand out fundamentally different."
Ghatus ( talk) 10:55, 19 April 2016 (UTC)
@ Joshua Jonathan: The difficulty is that much of the history and evidence is contrary to this hypothesis. Many of the early and famous Bhakti saints were Brahmins, including Ramananda whom many of their medieval texts credit influencing Kabir, Nanak and many others. Kabir, Nanak etc, were not from "low caste", general consensus among scholars is that Kabir was Muslim by birth who criticized Islam (and criticized Hinduism too). Bhakti movement started centuries before Turk invasion, "visibly" grew after 12th century, despite Islam and not because of Islam (see Karen Pechelis' recent book). Nirguna Brahman and nondualism has nothing to do with Islam, because Islam is dualistic monotheism. If there is any sub-school that is closer to Islamic ontology and dualistic theology, that may be Madhvacharya's Dvaita, but even Madhva's views have major differences. Strange are the views in the "model" book proposed there!!! Interesting history reconstruction effort and a creatively imaginative discussion, nevertheless. Ms Sarah Welch ( talk) 18:15, 20 April 2016 (UTC)
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Kindly talk me on Watsapp it's urgent +919876167540 Rohit497 ( talk) 05:43, 21 April 2016 (UTC)
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Thank you both. As a member of WP:INDOPAK, I would request both you to find ways to collaborate with each other rather than confront. Paraphrasing Lord Mountbatten from another context, India and Pakistan can never run away from each other! -- Kautilya3 ( talk) 11:15, 23 April 2016 (UTC)
Hello,
I've noticed that the article is still protected form editing. Also that nobody has added any further comment to the talk page. I was wondering what is happening?
I see that you have removed the sourced reference to Multan in Brahmagupta article, and added an unsourced reference of your own preference. I also saw your reasoning in the talk page [7] of the article where you speculate on the background of the author of my source whilst making references to "Islamists and Pakistani Militarists being thrilled". I have replied there, but I also need to inform you that I have raised a case with Wiki Arbitration here [8] -- Xinjao ( talk) 12:45, 23 April 2016 (UTC)
Thanks i have read you message — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mema zanakh ( talk • contribs) 16:06, 23 April 2016 (UTC)
Hi, replied to you on the talk page of Maya_(illusion) -- Mayasutra [= No ||| Illusion =] ( talk) 14:53, 24 April 2016 (UTC)Mayasutra
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Dear Kautilya3 you appear to have some interest in tidying up this wiki article. An error is now becoming entrenched because it appears to be referenced but no one has checked the reference. It regards the long standing legal action against Sharmila. I can provide some help if you want but if editors can't find it by other means you tend not to want my assistance.
The last paragraph of the Fast and Responses section now states:
These are references to two separate trials somehow mashed together. She was in Delhi from 28-31 March having been released by a judge in Imphal who had not heard any of the evidence at that trial in Imphal the newly appointed CJM IW. He had held her for over 400 days and then released her unconditionally earlier in March but not on the day stated in wiki. Previously the longest she had been detained continuously was 758 days http://scroll.in/article/804983/why-irom-sharmilas-fast-holds-no-meaning-for-those-shes-trying-to-move but on that occasion (2004) the Supreme Court ordered her release on the grounds that a year comprises 365 days. Since then she had been released after a maximum of 367 days until the last occasion where a manipuri prison year lasted for over 400. You can check for exactly how long if it interests you.
The date of 28 March has no supporting reference. On 30 March she was declared not guilty of IPC 309 again by a new judge who had not heard any of the previous evidence and was released conditionally with some kind of six month detention order in case the judgement was appealed. That was the trial in Delhi which has now ended.
The trial in Imphal is awaiting the charge sheet which the Police claim they have despatched but the new judge there says hasn't arrived the next hearing is 3 May 2016. I don't know how intested you are in tidying up this article but mistakes after a period become entrenched. I leave it up to you you appear to be interested for now. Desmond Coutinho using Portumna Library Computer free access I believe the IP address follows 83.71.21.137 ( talk) 11:12, 23 April 2016 (UTC)
I believe under conflict of interest or something I am advised not to edit the page directly. I am Irom Sharmila's fiance. I have known her for about seven years and did 77 days prison with the torture option for her last year. Wiki editors get very touchy about how things are done it is my belief if what I am saying is verifiable and true then others can work it out. I don't really understand the rule of wiki so I feel it's better just to point out to others who do understand the rules that there are errors. But I am not pressing the matter. But thanks for your courteous response. If you don't have time perhaps someone else will. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 83.71.21.137 ( talk) 15:32, 23 April 2016 (UTC) Just to confirm what I said above. I am Sharmila's fiance I am not making any more edits so please kindly stop reminding me to do so. The latest message apparently from you tells me not to make edits and this earlier one tells me to make edits. I am going with my plan not to make edits can you please stop reminding me not to make edits or ask me to make edits and then tell me not to do so. Thank you. If you are too busy to edit the sharmila page then that's fine too I have lost all real interest in wiki. I hope you don't take offence at my response and bar the library computer but if that's what you want to do knock yourself out. Des again. 86.46.197.108 ( talk) 08:48, 25 April 2016 (UTC)
Don't strike comments made by other editors. It is basic wiki etiquette, read about it at WP:TPO. FreeatlastChitchat ( talk) 16:07, 28 April 2016 (UTC)
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Hi User, Thanks for sharing your view points on the article Brahminsm. Actually I am working on the same project in my university and I like to add the same topic to wikipedia also.Please help me by giving your valuable suggestions. Your view points are always welcomed.We can disscuss about the topic on the talk page of the article.-- IrumudiChozhan ( talk) 17:28, 3 May 2016 (UTC)
Brahminsm is a seperate topic related to the influence of Brahmins in Hindu religion. There are so many references are available throughout India.Aryans (Brahmins) are seperate race migrated to India around 1500 BCE through Khyber and Bholan pass.They invaded India and they influenced the religion of native people and created castes and divisions through religious texts.Even they deviced penal codes in which different punishments are available for the same crime based on caste.The mahabharatha incident ekalaiva and karna are true and can be verified.Even many reformists in India tried to reform Hinduism and tried to reduce the influence of Aryans on Hinduism. I dont have much experience in editing wikipedia article.So I am not able to provide citations. But I am having all the source material or reference material. We can discuss all of them in this talk page. If we simply delete this article in future we are stopping a chance to know about the topic. So view points of everyone is welcomed and we all can disscuss about this topic -- IrumudiChozhan ( talk) 17:49, 3 May 2016 (UTC)
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I think WP:RfC will be a good option in order to achieve consensus. Bharatiya 29 09:32, 6 May 2016 (UTC)
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Please look at this version of the article "Buddha in a Traffic Jam". I feel it was not neutral. If you also feel so, please help in improving it. Thanks -- Gaurav ( talk) 09:01, 9 May 2016 (UTC)
"exposes the sinister politics of the nexus of Naxals, NGOs, Academia and the Intelligentsia of India". -- Gaurav ( talk) 14:18, 9 May 2016 (UTC)
What is happening in Yadav page is nothing but ganging up of three Pakistani editors. The remedy lies in involving maximum editors on the talk page including 1 or 2 admins. Only then NPOV can be established. It seems to be the only solution now. Ghatus ( talk) 11:58, 9 May 2016 (UTC)
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This appears to be a reliable source:
Kushwaha, R.S. (2003). Glimpses of Bhāratiya history. Ocean Books.
ISBN
9788188322404
Would you be able to offer any insight(reliability)? Do you have access to this book which would in able you to check some things?
Also, what do you know about Jai Dev Anand? When he lived, died, etc, etc. Because it would appear he lived nearly two hundred years, defeating both Mahmud of Ghazni(d.1030) and Muhammad of Ghor(d.1206). -- Kansas Bear ( talk) 20:54, 12 May 2016 (UTC)
Text under discussion: Historically, Balochistan has been treated as an "internal colony" by the Punjabi-dominated central government, extracting profits from the province's natural resources with only a "miniscule portion" going into local development. [1]
Please refrain from insertion of Weasel words into the article regarding the China Pakistan Economic Corridor. You indeed have provided a source, but your choice of wording which includes : "Punjabi dominated" Pakistan using Balochistan as an "internal colony" to whom only a "miniscule portion" of natural resource revenue goes is clearly Weasel Wording. Willard84 ( talk) 22:09, 13 May 2016 (UTC)
Further, I just read the source you quoted. It offers absolutely no numbers to justify the term "miniscule portion" of resource revenue reverting to Balochistan, nor does it even explain why the author used the term "internal colony" (which he uses also to reference Indian rule in Assam - I'm certain if I insert this into the Assam article that Indian contributors would remove it, and rightfully so, because the author again does not explain the use of this term).
Please bear in mind that just because something is published in a book, that does not make it a good source if the author neglects to even justify usage of such charged terms. Willard84 ( talk) 22:14, 13 May 2016 (UTC)
I went even a step further, and looked more deeply into this article you posted. Firstly, the book you quoted merely mentions the findings of one Adeel Khan. I found the paper by Adeel Khan who was quoted in your source. He writes: "He [Adeel Khan] would like to thank Siddiq Baloch, a senior journalist and Baloch nationalist, for providing him with contacts in Gwadar and for insights on the Balochistan Crisis". [2] This is a biased source, and the article itself doesnt even mention a "Punjabi dominated state," but rather a Punjabi dominated military. Nor does he provide any numbers he was using to calculate the "miniscule portion" of revenues being directed back to the provincial government. Willard84 ( talk) 22:26, 13 May 2016 (UTC)
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Pradeepwb 15:52, 15 May 2016 (UTC)I reversed your edit in that page, because "ishvara-pranidhana" is an important subject in any commentary in Yoga Sutras as it introduces devotional approach in yoga practices; the known authority in this matter David Gordon White pointed out, "Edwin Bryant,... considered ishvara-pranidhana to refer to the practice of devotion to Krishna"; similar view is given by Baba Hari Dass, a known master yogi, who wrote his own Yoga Sutras commentary where this practice is included in Bhakti yoga. Several other authors also support that view as well.
"systematically exposes the logical weaknesses of most of the arguments that support the consensus of either side.." -- this edit was introduced by someone else. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Pradeepwb ( talk • contribs) 15:52, 15 May 2016 (UTC)
I posted in the Talk page for saffron terror but no one has replied. The articles needs drastic changes given new ruling on the court regarding the subject matter. It is now precisely verified that it is a conspiracy by UPA and is not a real thing. I have posted sources on the talk page and can also provide more sources given this new ruling.
Kushagr.sharma1 (
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Thank you very much for your guidance.
Kushagr.sharma1 ( talk) 16:06, 15 May 2016 (UTC)
Vanamonde93 Thank you very much for your response. There have been more developments since I last posted that. What I want to know is what type of secondary source will it take to show the conspiracy. The government has started calling out the UPA for the conspiracy and certain newspapers are also agreeing that it is indeed nothing more than a fake conspiracy.
Newspapers showing what the government is saying [1] News showing it is a sham by congress [2] Another [3]
If these do not satisfy the require I can wait until more sources come out. At the very least the article does need serious changes. Kushagr.sharma1 ( talk) 21:48, 16 May 2016 (UTC)
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Why can't we think of civilisation as a process of tracking cultures? -- Ghatus ( talk) 13:05, 24 May 2016 (UTC)
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Take the edits to the relevant talkpage and do not engage in edit warring please. Arun Kumar SINGH (Talk) 21:02, 26 May 2016 (UTC)
Concerning the furthest reaches of the Seleucid Empire. [9] Your thoughts? Since per Thapar [10], the Seleucid's were holding Trans-Indus region. Would not Pakistan(for a modern state representation) be more correct? -- Kansas Bear ( talk) 21:24, 26 May 2016 (UTC)
IF grammar of any paragraph is not correct, improve grammar. Don't remove entire paragraphs. All things mentioned there is historically correct and relevant reference is given. So remove them only when you have evidences to prove your claim. CAKrutesh ( talk) 15:54, 27 May 2016 (UTC)
Pleasr ask Bb to restore Torture in Pakistan It's a decent article 82.21.35.147 ( talk) 17:45, 28 May 2016 (UTC)
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Hi Kautilya3. A new user (or some one who has no real history of edits on wiki) called Civfanatic has been edit warring in the above article claiming that Telugu language was a major (central) language of administration in the empire but is unable to produce any secondary or other sources to support this. user Pied hornbill and myself have been refuting this as there is no evidence in books written by over a dozen authors we researched to support civfanatic's claims. He has one source that has listed a few Telugu inscriptions (not sure if they are published) from that period (c.543-745) but only from the Telugu speaking regions and toward the very end of the empire's existence. No mainstream author that I can search far mentions Telugu language as a language of epigraphy or administration of this empire. They only discuss Sanskrit and Kannada as the main languages of the empire and this has held water for almost 10 years since the FA was created. Please drop by and read the discussion on the talk page. I don't know if you are an admin. If you are, that's good. If you are not, let me know whom I can contact so the article can be locked up while discussions are in progress. Civfanatic does not seem to be interested in a mature discussion on the topic. I have a feeling he is an old hat called Kumarrao was was blocked numerous times in the 2007-2008 timeframe for edit warring with the Karnataka work group who created the FA around 2007. Our contention is Telugu was only a regional language at best, not the main language of epigraphy at that time. Mayasandra ( talk) 21:33, 30 May 2016 (UTC)
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Before you post baseless crap onto talk pages because your Indian pov is being removed look at who initiated the revert go and ask your Indian ip friend to discuss on the talk page that edit has been there for months and stop accusing people of wrong doing when they have not. 2A02:C7D:14FC:C600:25E3:629:71E6:8671 ( talk) 17:19, 4 June 2016 (UTC)
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Recently published research paper( May 2016) in the 'Nature' journal concludes that IVC is 2500 years older than presently accepted which places the civilisation in the 6,000 BC. Institutions involved in the research study: 1. Indian Institute of Technology, Kharagpur, 2. Institute of Archaeology, Deccan College, Pune, 3. Physical Research Laboratory and; 4. Archaeological Survey of India
Research paper name: Oxygen isotope in archaeological bioapatites from India: Implications to climate change and decline of Bronze Age Harappan civilization Anindya Sarkar, Arati Deshpande Mukherjee, M. K. Bera, B. Das, Navin Juyal, P. Morthekai, R. D. Deshpande, V. S. Shinde & L. S. Rao Scientific Reports 6, Article number: 26555 (2016) doi:10.1038/srep26555 Palaeoclimate Received: 05 November 2015 Accepted: 29 April 2016 Published online: 25 May 2016 Their links: 1. http://www.nature.com/articles/srep26555 2. https://iitkgp.org/content/iit-kgp-researchers-say-indus-valley-civilization-india-older-thought 3. http://thediplomat.com/2016/06/revealed-the-truth-behind-the-indus-valley-civilizations-collapse/
I request you to please analyse this research study and add this info into the IVC wikipedia page. I'm asking you b/c if I edit, it will be reverted even after I provide genuine and reliable reference. So, please take it up if you can. — Preceding unsigned comment added by BodduLokesh ( talk • contribs) 08:46, 6 June 2016 (UTC)
Then, can this research paper be helpful in adding new research data about climate change aspects of IVC, b/c the parties involved in the research are in the top rated ones in the Indian subcontinent. BodduLokesh ( talk) 05:29, 7 June 2016 (UTC)
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I'm breifing you about this just to let you know.
Recently, I read this explanation given by an 95 year old ancient yoga and sanskrit teacher in one of his written records. He mentioned every sound in sanskrit is attributed a particular meaning. While explaining an important concept related to yoga, he mentioned the reason why right from pre-vedic times(the period when sanskrit is developed) most of the tribes/communities(in vedas) and in later period kings and kingdoms of Indian sub-continent always tried to affiliate themselves to the term 'Bharat' in one way or the other. He said we have to understand the meaning affiliated to sounds in sanskrit.
For example guru = gu+ru => gu=ignorance, ru=remover, guru=remover of ignorance.
Similarly, Bharat = Bha+rat/rati => bha=self-luminous, rat/rati=intense desire,love,attraction,interest.
So, Bharata is the one who has intense desire towards the self-luminous state. This in yogic terms means to attain Samadhi(real existence state). Acc to Patanjali's yogasutras, 8th and the final stage of yoga. This is the reason why even in vedas, where ever the word Bharata occurs it is given extreme importance and the same is followed till today, but the only difference now and then is that the ancient meaning behind the word is forgotten in present India.
So, Acc to the yogic explanation, any person who has intense desire to attain samadhi (real state of existence), is termed as Bharata/Bharat. This is the main reason why the word 'Bharat' is given extreme importance right from ancient times, through mythological stories either puranas or Ithihasas or even vedas for that matter.
I just wanted to inform you some good knowledge. BodduLokesh ( talk) 12:56, 7 June 2016 (UTC)
I doesn't require to become a great person like Gandhi to be called Bharata, what I require is having intense desire to know about myself. Rat in Bharat comes from rati which means intense desire. Here rati is towards 'bha'.
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Hello, Kautilya! I just saw your edits on this page. Do you think this removal was correct? It was sourced from the original website of RSS and book and I think that the removal was wrong so I reverted it. I would like to know your opinion. With regards, Terabar ( talk) 09:45, 21 June 2016 (UTC)
My prof told me that Sher Shah issued coins with inscription both in Persian and Sanskrit. It was a unique thing in the Medieval Period. But, I could not get material in its support. Suddenly, I looked into the wiki article of Sher Shah. Just look at the bottom of the first coin. His name is written. -- Ghatus ( talk) 05:51, 20 June 2016 (UTC)
I am also beginning to think that the so-called "insularity" of Indians was propaganda by Al Beruni and later by the British, both of whom hung out a lot with chauvinist Brahmins and imagined that they represented all of India. The trade routes had always been open, despite Islam, until the British closed them as part of their imperialist policies. The Chabahar route might be the greatest legacy that Modi is likely to leave behind. -- Kautilya3 ( talk) 08:16, 20 June 2016 (UTC)
I don't mean to say that Al Beruni was making up stories that weren't true. But I think he was being selective, and was hearing what he wanted to hear. We don't find him talking about the bonhomie that existed between Hindus and Muslims that Romila Thapar narrates. He was the first one to have written that Hindus hated Muslims. There begins a long line that ends with Jinnah. -- Kautilya3 ( talk) 21:55, 20 June 2016 (UTC)
The famous quote of Al Beruni, which Thapar called the "most incisive" one of the 11th century :
"The Hindus believe that there is no country but theirs, no nation like theirs, no kings like theirs, no religion like theirs, no science like theirs.They are haughty, foolishly vain, self-conceited, and stolid. They are by nature niggardly in communicating that which they know, and they take the greatest possible care to withhold it from men of another caste among their own people, still much more, of course, from any foreigner ... Their haughtiness is such that, if you tell them of any science or scholar in Khorasan and Persis, they will think you to be both an ignoramus and a liar. If they traveled and mixed with other nations, they would soon change their mind, for their ancestors were not as narrow-minded as the present generation is."
-- Ghatus ( talk) 14:12, 21 June 2016 (UTC)
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