Hi, Irpen! Thanks much for creating the article on Admiral Makarov. I was going to do it for, well, almost a year now, but never got to it. Hopefully we'll develop it into something more than a stub it currently is. Ëzhiki (erinaceus europeaus) 21:03, Mar 18, 2005 (UTC)
One of the remarks I wanted to make is in regards to the transliteration of "Великий князь". As you undoubtedly know, there are millions of ways to transliterate any given Russian word. What you may not be aware of, is that we are trying to make sure that all Russian words used in Wikipedia conform to the same transliteration standard, which is described in this article. I am not saying this is the "final final" version everybody must stick to (and indeed, there is a discussion going on on its talk page trying to work out some details), nor I am saying that this is the only correct version in the whole world. It is, however, only logical to at least try using one transliteration system across all of Wikipedia to maintain consistency.
As per the articles guidelines, "великий князь" would be transliterated as "veliky knyaz" (see also knyaz).
Let me know if you have questions, and I am looking forward to working with you in future!— Ëzhiki (erinaceus europeaus) 21:03, Mar 18, 2005 (UTC)
Thanks for your compliments. I don't remember much more about Admiral Makarov than what I wrote in the stub. I agree with the need of consistency in transliteration. I think, however, that when some Russian term is already established in English, the established transliteration should take precedence of the letter by letter rule. My impression (not confirmed though a thorough search though) is that Kniaz iz a more common English usage of the Russian word Князь. However, the google counts for kniaz and knyaz are close enough, so my impression is rather subjective. Also, the article you refered me to gives two choices for transliteration of Великий as both Velikiy or Veliky. The former term seems better to me, but again this is rather subjective. What do you think? I would be happy to abide with a consensus decision in the future. Regards, Irpen 21:31, Mar 18, 2005 (UTC)
Hi Irpen. I dropped by to tell you that I disagree with one of your edits fiercely. FC Arsenal Kyiv is a contemporary club of independent Ukraine. Not to mention that it is free to name itself however they decide. Thus, you've gone too far in your Kiev edits. Don't cross the line of fighting Ukrainian language. So far, I've been tolerating and sometimes supporting your edits regarding you a cooperative discussing Wikifellow. It would be unpleasant changing my opinion on you. Best wishes, AlexPU
Replied at User_talk:AlexPU#Arsenal. Irpen 22:42, Mar 18, 2005 (UTC)
I don't know how the text doublicated. I had some "wikipedia is busy" message and reloaded. thanks for informing me and for reverting. I put the link again. Ben (talk) 15:44, Mar 21, 2005 (UTC)
Well, I don't know much enough on this subject to make any kind of decision either! I will, however, try to do some research on this when/if I have time. Sorry for not being of much help for now.— Ëzhiki (erinaceus europeaus) 18:36, Mar 21, 2005 (UTC)
Hi Irpen - I note that you've added a couple of new stub categories. While I think they will probably be useful, can I suggest that if you intend to add any more you check out Wikipedia: WikiProject Stub sorting/Criteria first? Quite a thorough debating process goes on before the creation of stub categories, to ensure that they fit in with current criteria. I suspect also that most stub sorters and editors wouldn't be able to tell which Russian history items were more correctly expressed as East Slavic history or vice versa (and stubs categories are primarily for the benefit of editors). what's more, the templates aren't correctly formed (they shouldn't remain in Category:Historical stubs if they are also in one of its subcategories). Grutness| hello? 02:42, 28 Mar 2005 (UTC)
The proposal to create these stubs was up for comments at Wikipedia talk:Russian wikipedians' notice board talk page for about a week. There was one response in support and none objecting. This forum is attended by many editors who frequently post in these topics. The reasons for a separate East-Slavic-history and Russian-history templates are given there too. East-Slavic-history-stub is for events that relate to the history of several East Slavic nations and will help to avoid controversies and reverts on whether it should be in, say, Russian or Ukrainian category when in fact it belongs to both and there seems to be a consensus that many stub templates per article is a bad style. I only created the stubs after giving time to editors to object and, sorry, I did not know about Wikipedia: WikiProject Stub sorting/Criteria page. Editors who would create new articles in the topics most likely will be able to tell which of the two categories are more appropriate. I am sorry, if I formed them incorrectly. I tried to follow the instructions at Wikipedia:Stub_categories. After creating the stubs I listed them at Wikipedia:Stub_categories and Wikipedia:WikiProject_Stub_sorting/Stub_types as per instructions. Sorry, if I made any mistakes. Irpen 03:24, Mar 28, 2005 (UTC)
You wrote: Sorry, I had to undo some of your changes because some articles you placed into East-Slavic-History-stub category should not be there, I think. BTW, what would you say about WWI and WWII history stubs?
You wrote: Sure, this can wait if you think it'd better to. As for mil-war-stub, I was thinking that there was a difference between articles that would best fit into mil-stub and those best tagged with mil-war-stub. But maybe it's better to stick with mil-stub. Anyway, I will wait if necessary, and once WW stubs are created, I will help in moving there some articles from other categories.
Hi again Irpen - I've just created {{ WWII-stub}}, and with any luck I'll add {{ WWI-stub}} later today. Grutness| hello? 00:04, 10 Apr 2005 (UTC)
It may have been my fault of not explaining this properly. East Slavs are only Russians, Belorussians and Ukrainians. Poles and Lithuanians are not East Slavs. Poland and Lithuania related articles may get the east-slavic-history-stub note only when the article is primarily about the events related to the three East-Slavic nations territories of the time when Poland and Lithuania dominated them.
Why are you accusing me of bad faith? I am perfectly willing to discuss whatever you like, wherever you like, so long as you are polite. And I havn't commited any sort of copyright vio! I found that accusation quite disturbing. Sam Spade 23:46, 6 May 2005 (UTC)
Irpen you are too high in the sky - You are not the cleverest man on Earth (unsigned by anon user)
Oh come on, I don't mind at all! As long as we keep civil discussion it's all right with me. Halibu tt 21:46, May 19, 2005 (UTC)
Thank you for the kind words. I do admit that WikiPortals are new to me, and I hope this works out. Zscout370 (Sound Off) 04:01, 21 May 2005 (UTC)
Offhand, I don't think your suggested merge of Rus' (people) is a good idea, though I might be wrong; please state your case rather than just adding the "merge" tag, and please see my comment at Talk:Rus' (people)#Merge?. -- Jmabel | Talk 01:23, May 26, 2005 (UTC)
Replied at Talk:Kiev#Kijów_in_Kiev_article - Irpen 18:59, Jun 9, 2005 (UTC)
Delete the unnecessary Russian name and none of my homies will bother you no more. Space Cadet 03:30, 10 Jun 2005 (UTC)
Stop the exadge! As if mentioning Kijów brought an actual "havoc" to anything! Shyaa...riiight! Logically if Danzig belongs in the Gdansk article, then Kijów belongs in Kiev! Unless you agree with the Britannica convention: current English name throughout, native name bolded in the first sentence, nothing else, unless in the "history" section. In the above case, however, help in getting rid of German names from Gdansk, Szczecin and Wroclaw articles. Your support of logic and common sense will be appreciated. Sincerely, Space Cadet 04:06, 10 Jun 2005 (UTC)
Dear Irpen, I'm not on any campaign per se, except of course the "campaign for logic, consistency and justice for all". Your "sobriety" remark was very rude. Your consistent ignoring of my point, only a little annoying. Tell me what you think about the way Britannica handles those issues. Space Cadet 04:40, 10 Jun 2005 (UTC)
I guess I wasn't sober, yesterday. Space Cadet 09:52, 10 Jun 2005 (UTC)
I think we should first fix the voting (survey) policy itself, otherwise, any new vote will suffer the same fate as Gdansk/Vote - i.e. resolve little. See Template_talk:Gdansk-Vote-Notice#Constructive_proposal for my proposal and arguments. -- Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus Talk 10:29, 12 Jun 2005 (UTC)
Did you know? has been updated. A fact from the article Garrison school, which you recently created, has been featured in that section on the Main Page. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently-created article, then please suggest it on the "Did you know?" talk page. |
I see nothing disputed in this page. -- Vasile 04:55, 14 Jun 2005 (UTC) I am not able to see what are the the statements and ideas really DISPUTED in the article. It's just a pretention of POV. -- Vasile 13:43, 14 Jun 2005 (UTC)
You definetely know nothing about the subject as you pretend. You just want make this article to disappear, disturbing and harassing anyone wants to edit this article. You don't respect the wikipedia rules and you should report yourself to the wikipedia staff. -- Vasile 18:31, 16 Jun 2005 (UTC)
Stop the propaganda. It ain't working! Obviously there are tons of people that disagree with you. The smartest way would have been to provide some proof along with your complaints but you did not do that.
So I will politely ask you to either adress the subject of Transnistria in a mature manner or stop herassing the discussion page. Duca
So that the Gdansk/Vote horror never repeats itself :) Please see the proposal at my userspace, it is an updated version of Template_talk:Gdansk-Vote-Notice#Constructive_proposal. After I hear (or not) and incorporate comments from you and several other users I know are interested in fixing this, I will officialy move this to Wikipedia:Village pump (policy) and I would like you to be one of the co-signatures of the proposal. -- Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus Talk 20:10, 13 Jun 2005 (UTC)
Thanks for the help! - Kazak 23:28, 23 Jun 2005 (UTC)
Hi, Irpen! I just thought you might be interested to comment on what's going with the article on Igor of Kiev. You may want to check User_talk:Dbachmann as well. -- Ghirlandajo 19:30, 26 Jun 2005 (UTC)
Hello! I think we need the new inobox for Ukrainian Oblasts. I inserted flag and CoA of Zhytomyr Oblast, but without an infobox it seems...
If you want - create this infobox, please- then I will try to find more flags and CoAs.
Secundo: Could you check English names for the raions in Zhytomyr Oblast. Cheers! Vuvar1 18:57, 26 Jun 2005 (UTC)
Hi! First let me say that I'm not going to pretend to know anything about the subject of this article, so I will not get involved in discussions on the content of the article. That said, when I saw the request for protection I felt that the parties involved here might benefit from me, as an outsider, monitoring the debate and intervening if necessary. My take on the situation at the moment is that there appears to be useful (if not always civil) discussion going on on the talk page for this article, and that the edit war on the article itself is not out of control. So I have chosen to take a low-key approach—making sure that editors are aware of, and stick to the the three revert rule, but not (yet) procecting the article. Protection at this point might cause a further hardening of positions rather than fostering compromise, however, if within the next day or so it looks like this strategy is not working I will protect the article (if no one else has done so before me). JeremyA 5 July 2005 04:37 (UTC)
Your only contribution in "dispute" is restoring tags. Please stop these obstructing manoeuvres, read more wiki-regulations and try something new. -- Vasile 11:46, 12 July 2005 (UTC)
It is hard for me to contibute anything useful to this discussion between editors who know much more on the topic than I do. However, what's wrong with Slavic name of Constantinople (Tsargrad) mentioned in this particular article. No one is talking about inserting it to every article. However, if there is a context to mention it in WP, there is nothing closer to it than this article. I don't understand why it was completely removed. Having it mentioned as a second name (with Constantinople as the first one) would still be OK, I think. Completely removing it from the middle of the article seems to me unwarranted. Any objections to restore it? - Irpen 03:33, Jun 27, 2005 (UTC)
When reverting anons, like you did in Crimea, please look into their contributions. From my experience a 69% of vandals are not satisfied with a single page. mikka (t) 29 June 2005 22:05 (UTC)
Hmmm, except for this edit, all his other contributions seem quite strange to me. Not that they were nonsensical, but they're simply badly worded and use the Polish names not in the historical context (as it is accepted) but in modern context (which hardly makes any sense). I see no reason not to revert - or at least reword his entries. Halibu tt July 1, 2005 10:31 (UTC)
(moved to Wikipedia:Votes for deletion/Old Ruthenia. mikka (t) 19:11, 19 July 2005 (UTC))
I was wondering if I would have no problems using photos from the website of the Ukrainian President and Ministry of Defense for my article on Hero of Ukraine? Zscout370 (Sound Off) 20:55, 20 July 2005 (UTC)
I just answered your question at Wikipedia:Wikiportal/Ukraine/Ukraine-related_Wikipedia_notice_board#Ukrainian_copyright_law.27s_very_important_excemption. Thanks for raising the issue. I am sure it would be good to know for others too. Cheers, - Irpen 00:53, July 21, 2005 (UTC)
I think I read this in Jasienica, with colorful descriptions of buildings full of severed heads awaiting Mazepa and such. I can find the book and check it if you want. -- Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus Talk 22:59, 20 July 2005 (UTC)
What exactly did he and Kuchma do to "devaluate" the Hero of Ukraine titles? Zscout370 (Sound Off) 07:53, 24 July 2005 (UTC)
Thanks, I am trying to make a fork article/list with everyone who was presented with the title, regardless of they got the Gold Star or State order. I also noticed you presented someone on here with the Hero of Ukraine medal. Zscout370 (Sound Off) 01:07, 26 July 2005 (UTC)
Another topic, I think I figured out what some of the Law passed in 2002 by Kuchma [1] is saying (I should add uk-1 to my babel template). The last three things talk about the design of the decorations. The miniature medal, comparing the other decorations I worked on, is most likely the wearer's copy I mentioned about. And the decorations have not changed at all in design or composition. Zscout370 (Sound Off) 04:53, 26 July 2005 (UTC)
Even though I do not have much time to work on the article right now, I will happily translate whatever you need. The simple translation from ru/ua languages for another user (not to be placed directly into the article) that I do not have polish don't take much time at all. Just ask and send links. -- Irpen 05:38, July 26, 2005 (UTC) P.S. I think we are not yet close to the stage to submit the article for featured candidates, but we'll get there. Thanks again for your enthusiazm to RU/UA topics. Cheers,-- Irpen 05:38, July 26, 2005 (UTC)
Hi Irpen, I thought you might be interested to know that I've just started an article about "Wisła" Action. It's not much yet, and I plan to considerably develop it in near future. However, if you are willing to contribute or simply watch progress of this article, you're very welcome. -- SylwiaS 12:16, 27 July 2005 (UTC)
I got the drawing of the medal that you wanted. Zscout370 (Sound Off) 23:53, 27 July 2005 (UTC)
Thanks for your efforts, but as I said, User:Witkacy is a troll. This edit should quell any doubts about that. Tomer TALK 12:18, July 31, 2005 (UTC)
Tnx for the translation! -- Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus Talk 10:37, 1 August 2005 (UTC)
Большую часть текста я взял с официального сайта, поэтому возможно что и не везде НТЗ. С удовольствием прийму участие в обсуждении данного вопроса. -- Untifler 16:29, 2 August 2005 (UTC)
Hi. Have you considered voting for it? Wikipedia:Featured article candidates/Hero of Ukraine. Sashazlv 03:53, 11 August 2005 (UTC)
Hey Irpen. To let you know, I have replaced this image with a jpg image at Image:Order_Friendship_of_Peoples.jpg. Because of this, I have put your image up for deletion at WP:IFD. FYI, we should upload photographs as .jpg files instead of png files. Zscout370 (Sound Off) 00:39, 13 August 2005 (UTC)
Thank you, I didn't know this portal ! :) -- Bogatyr 16:42, 14 August 2005 (UTC)
Thanks for supporting my RFA. It couldn't have happened without your effort. FeloniousMonk 18:22, 15 August 2005 (UTC)
Thanks for the comments. I implemented your suggestions on the Lubomyr Cardinal Husar page. Let me know what you think of the changed text. Pmadrid 23:46, 25 August 2005 (UTC)
I had to fix up the template/portal due to it changing name spaces and due to lack of activity. I will not do the same for the Russian portal, unless it is requested. Zscout370 (Sound Off) 04:54, 28 August 2005 (UTC)
Мы мирные люди...
(но наш бронепоезд
стоит на запасном пути)
--
Irpen 05:07, August 28, 2005 (UTC)
RU/UA portals were moved by scripts, I think. All subpages were moved too, so everything is fine. As for reader-friendlyness, I agree that it's just not too many people doing anything at all. The new articles are well announced and sometimes there is some communication on another board, but that's about it. Unupdated news make a pity impression. The rest could also be improved. Unfortunately, I am almost alone at UA-portal with other participants showing up less and less. RU, portal, to the contrary, is very active. Just check its new article's board. Maybe it's good, for what it's worth, to ask at the portal's talk. If you do, I will make sure it is noticed. I am glad you came over this silly fights with prudes. I am also glad to see that you seem no too upset by their sockpuppet allies. Read the verse above one more time :) (бронепоезд is and armored train, BTW) -- Irpen 05:18, August 28, 2005 (UTC)
Well, it goes further than that we're just peaceful :). It says that "we are peaceful people but our armored train is parked at the reserve track" :) Have a good one! -- Irpen 05:43, August 28, 2005 (UTC)
Ghirlandajo's massive deletions can not be considered to be anything but vandalism. There had long been a request for the inclusion of material from Rus' (people) and when I added relevant information under the paragraph "earliest evidence" he just mass removed everything. That is not an acceptable attitude to editing an article, and simple vandalism.
I do not take pleasure by arguing with Russians about their earliest history, and FYI, I am married to a Russian woman, and I have a Russian history professor as a mother-in-law. Unfortunately, my strong Russian connections, and my interest in medieval Scandinavian history makes it important for me that this part of Russo-Scandinavian history is treated fairly.-- Wiglaf 23:28, 29 August 2005 (UTC)
Thanks for supporting my request for administrator powers, which has been successful. If you have any questions or concerns, please contact me on my talk page. Thanks again! Scimitar parley 17:09, 1 September 2005 (UTC)
I'm really not sure if it makes sense to continue this chat on the article's talk page, therefore I'm responding here. I'm not a Belarusia myself, but from what I've heard they were complaining that "Belorussia" was coined by tsarist ochrana, and then further exploited by Soviet propagandists, primarilty to make an impression in the West, that "BeloRussia" is just some kind of "Russia", so this was clearly attached to Russian ideology of imperialism. They also accused Moscovites of stealing the word "Rus" from Kievan Rus (or actually from Ukraine this time). I don't know how much truth there is to it, but particularly the Belarusians that I knew were quite grave about this. You'd probably know better about the Ukraine. Are you Russian, by the way ? I meant no offence. -- Lysy ( talk) 22:57, 5 September 2005 (UTC)
Sure, there are some who take offense on things. In Ukraine, for example, there are fringe circles who still call things that are Russian as "Muscovite" and refuse to apply the Rus-rooted word on principle. I only said that this attitude isn't typical. Also, Lysy, please check your mailbox. -- Irpen 06:27, September 6, 2005 (UTC)
I don't mind you changed it. If Khrushchev's ethnical background is not clear, be it so. I think, Korolev is a person prominent enough to replace him. Voyevoda 17:35, 5 October 2005 (CET)
Hello, I am wondering if you could help me with a problem I have encountered. A certain "Kurt Leyman" in the Stalingrad artcile keeps changing the Red Army casualties into the millions. The number given by William Craig (and the numbers I use) in his well-respected "Enemy at the Gates" is 850000 Axis military, 750000 Soviet military, and 40000 Soviet civilain casualties, while Leymann never offers any sources for his numbers. In addition, he never comments on his edits and never responds on his user talk page (there have been many other complaints against him). Also, Kurt Leymann has been deleting the passage about the losses of the German sattelites for no apparent reason - thus I am forced to correct him far too often. Is there any way to stop him from doing this? Kazak 01:51, 7 October 2005 (UTC)
RfC can be used if the situation gets out of hand but this unsourced intrusion may not require it. Just revert and let me know if you are approaching a 3RR limit. So that I will revert him when you can't. I will keep an eye but can't promise to me quick on my own. I have my hands full with several disputes right now. In any case I will try to help and don't hesitate to drop me a note. -- Irpen 02:23, 7 October 2005 (UTC)
I'm not sure if you saw this from yesterday; since there was some vandalism afterwards it is possible that it got lost in the shuffle. Some, but not all, of it has been addressed. It looks rather POV to me... Olessi 18:32, 13 October 2005 (UTC)
As personal attack. I only wanted AndriyK to know that I find diversity of opinions of value to keep articles neutral and rich in information otherwise unknown to other users.My comment was in now way connected to you. -- Molobo 17:50, 9 November 2005 (UTC)
Your stupid homeboy called me a "demented spaceman", but I don't see you reprimanding him! Another thing: did my "rm nonsensical chauvinistc claims" comment really mislead you? When I removed a loose "r"? Thought you were smarter than that. Space Cadet 20:53, 11 November 2005 (UTC)
You are mistaken. I did talk to him about this in the past and it is not my business to tell adult people what to do more than once, unless I am dealing with activity that hurts the articles themsleves, like vandalism and POV issues. However, I would not have gone to your talk page just to reprimand you for inflamatory summaries in the first place. For me, having to waste my time checking the edits when you only corrected the typo was a more significant issue. I never go to check edits marked (m - typo) when I know the editor as a reasonable person. -- Irpen 21:23, 11 November 2005 (UTC)
I believe you would be interested in checking the latest entry on Molobo's talk. Dab clearly states that RfC is an important prerequisite for RfAr. Can you check it for me? Thanks, Ghirlandajo 01:45, 19 November 2005 (UTC)
Chernihiv article has only external links. If external links are in fact references, they should be labeled them as such, as they are not the same thing. I have been following the ( Wikipedia:Cite_sources#External_links.2FFurther_reading which states clearly that ==External links== or ==Further reading== section is placed after the references section, and offers books, articles, and links to websites related to the topic that might be of interest to the reader, but which have not been used as sources for the article. Thus I concluded that if article has only elinks or further reading, it has no references, and this template should be added. See also Wikipedia:WikiProject Fact and Reference Check.-- Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus Talk 05:17, 25 November 2005 (UTC)
Hello! There have been a number of recent extensive edits to the Kaliningrad Oblast article. The additions look to be in good faith, but I am not terribly familiar with the great amount of Lithuanian history presented now. I also am not sure if that article is the proper place for that content. You might be interested in taking a look at it. Olessi 21:17, 17 August 2005 (UTC)
I'm concerned that you've added references to a weekly magazine articles to Polish-Soviet War article. While I have nothing against this particular weekly (and I admin I do not know it), I doubt if a popular magazine features research articles that qualify for encyclopedic references in a historical article. What do you think ? -- Lysy ( talk) 21:35, 28 August 2005 (UTC)
Irpen, thanks for the nice welcome message:) I will try to contribute more to the topics, and I hope we can get along. You will notice every once in a while that I am a staunch Russophile, and do not hesitate to point out the errors of my ways when I talk about THE Ukraine...;)
-- Dietwald 13:22, 17 September 2005 (UTC)
Hi, can you help me with translating his biography in Talk:Yuriy_Yekhanurov? There is some popular demand for that. Sashazlv 03:20, 23 September 2005 (UTC)
Hi, I had a very difficult week and could not answer the e-mail earlier.
I think what you say makes sense.
I also recall my late grandfather telling me that his mother instructed him and his sisters to stay at home and beware of strangers. Those strangers were hungry and dying peasants (and their children) who flooded Kherson from neighboring communities. The grandfather was about 10-11 at that time. He told me the story some time before the collapse of SU (in fact, he died in 1991): without witnesses and I wasn't supposed to share it.
I don't know exactly where the grandfather's family originated from. I heard that his mother fled with children from either Donetsk or Luhansk regions, where they had a farm (khutor). In order to avoid persecution. No details about exact location and time are available. In the process, they modified their last name and, apparently, the mother concealed the details from the children.
Strangely enough, I haven't heard the story from the other grandfather's family. His parents lived in a village between Nikolayev and Kherson. One of the reasons may be that they were very reluctant to share the memories.
Best, Sashazlv 21:55, 23 September 2005 (UTC)
"Rm nonsensical chauvinistic claims" is my standard comment for fixing typos, missing punctuation or spelling errors. I just like the sound of it. This time I corrected "past" to "passed". The "three hundred years" comment I deleted by mistake. Sorry to have startled you. Kasmicheskiy Pyeshyekhod aka Space Cadet 17:54, 29 October 2005 (UTC)
Space, this discussion is only about the other names to be mentioned in the second line and nothing else. The rest we can decide separately. What do you say then? -- Irpen 19:08, 29 October 2005 (UTC)
I'll say I'll stick to the way Britannica does it! Space Cadet 21:13, 29 October 2005 (UTC)
No Russian wiki article (interlink)? -- Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus Talk 03:04, 8 November 2005 (UTC)
User:Molobo's unrestrained chauvinism constrained me to make some harsh editing on Russophobia, but I'm afraid it's the only language our Polish friends understand. Trusting your expertise in wikilaws, may I ask your advice as to whether his/her endless and pointless reverts on Belovezhskaya Pushcha (I don't know why the Polish name is preferred here) should be classified as a 3RR violation? -- Ghirlandajo 15:56, 9 November 2005 (UTC)
-- Molobo 16:48, 9 November 2005 (UTC)
Anyway, we are not kids and we all know that it has been a favourite Polish strategem for centuries - to drive wedges between East Slavic nations, which have been speaking the same language up to the 16th century at least.
Ekhem ? What are you saying that I am part of some conspiracy ?
The West Slavs have had different destinies
And your constant classfification of various diverse nations such as Poles or Czechs as some Slavs(which are just language group really) with alledged unfied goals and policies.) Sorry but this is hilerious.
--
Molobo 17:03, 9 November 2005 (UTC)
I found a Ukrainian beer with a picture of Semen Paliy on its logo. What would be a copyright status of this picture and is it possible to use it in the article ? Thank in advance for any info. Fisenko 18:47, 16 November 2005 (UTC)
In principle, I agree. Editors must use their resources efficiently. Changing name ordering for its own sake is a waste of scarce time.
However, such a policy may be hard (if at all possible) to enforce. There are too few people who work on Ukrainian articles. And such people may be more productive if they spend time elsewhere rather than check whether other users voluntarily follow the policy.
So, don't worry too much about it. Reasonable people will follow the policy. And there's nothing we can do about unreasonable users. Sashazlv 15:56, 12 August 2005 (UTC)
Do you think we could make this Featured, with some work? Zach (Sound Off) 04:34, 22 September 2005 (UTC)
Sorry, I was not editing for some days. I will look into it. Thanks! -- Irpen 05:41, 2 October 2005 (UTC)
Dear Irpen, I invite you to answer some questions about L'viv on Talk:Lviv -- Gutsul
Hi, i don't view your work as "Українофобія" and you can delete this paragraph afterwards. So, please, excuse my if i hurt your feelings. I have written "Українофобія?" which means that i was not sure about your goals. I analyzed your contributions and have found some things which can be classified as anti-ukrainian propaganda (for instance: "Ukrainian language is underdeveloped"). If you write in English wikipedia about Ukraine you should use not only russian (ex USSR) sources but also ukrainian and english one. I advise you to read Encyclopedia of Ukraine, works of ukrainian historian Mykhailo Hrushevsky. History of Ukraine is very difficult and has a lot of "gray zones". You should understand that english-talking users to 95% have no knowledge about Ukraine and can't check your information. English wikipedia is already arena of russian-ukrainian information war and i don't like it.
Good luck! -- Gutsul 09:12, 8 October 2005 (UTC)
Could you look on the page ? Right now it makes even Partitions of Poland seem a reaction to Russophobia :) Not to mention it doesn't seem to source any of the various serious claims. It also lists Serbs, Orthodox religion etc.Both of which fit into other articles (leaving aside if they are true or not). -- Molobo 16:48, 9 November 2005 (UTC)
I will look at the article soon. I would have anyway. Thanks. -- Irpen 17:17, 9 November 2005 (UTC)
Irpen, yes. I undertood you well. I left AlexPU a comment which I hope he'll read as an objective and calm one. Will he take it to RfC? I don't think so, esp. if he's guilty of similar behaviour.
However, the remarks are another thing, and I am really sick of it. I believe that people can talk about articles without leaving offending remarks, and I've read enough of them already (not only the ones made by Ghirlandajo). I know that people are sometimes frustrated by other users, but they should think twice before pushing the post button. I don't know if or how Ghirlandajo will react, but I'm just not going to read things like that anymore without saying a word. Also, if you don't mind, I'd like to write you something in an email. -- SylwiaS 04:23, 24 November 2005 (UTC)
I invite to join a very heated discusion on the Talk: List of Ukrainians regarding whether the list may continue as it is or must be purged of all, or almost all, non-ethnic Ukrainians. It will be nice a have another sane voice in the debate.-- Pecher 10:40, 27 November 2005 (UTC)
I'm wondering why you deleted the edits by Jkelly and others about Wc3forum.tk. You said they were strange, but they were legitimate complaints about an article he wrote which later got deleted. - Mgm| (talk) 10:02, 2 December 2005 (UTC)
I've been in touch with that user several times over several articles and I had an impression that User:Iopq is a reasonable editor with an interest to contribute. I was surprized to see the harsh words and I thought of them, as possibly, unjustified. I wanted to check and followed the link to the article over which the argument was only to find out that the article was deleted. As such, I had no way of checking what this was all about and, since I have reasons to assume good faith from the user from my past experiences, I deleted what seemed to me a strange intrusion to his talk page. If I was mistaken, I would like to apologize. As I wrote in my edit, I don't mind the restoration of what I deleted. -- Irpen 02:57, 3 December 2005 (UTC)
Hi. I mentioned you (peripherally) in my summary at Wikipedia:Requests_for_comment/Iopq. It is currently uncertified. In the case that a second user certifies it, you may wish to add any appropriate feedback as an "Outside view". Thanks. Jkelly 03:27, 3 December 2005 (UTC)
Saying allegations isn't the same as saying "a report from Jane's" a credible and well respected source of information.So I do think the changes do have an influence on the quality of the article.By adding Jane's we improve the value of information. -- Molobo 20:18, 5 December 2005 (UTC)
Why did you delete my comment on Talk:Patriarch Filaret (Mykhailo Denysenko)? Please restore it.-- AndriyK 15:49, 9 December 2005 (UTC)
Where do you stand on the conflict on Snake Island? How do you feel about Southern Basarabia and Northern Bukovina? Do you think it was unfair for Soviet to take the land away from Romania, or was it fair? -- Anittas 06:50, 27 December 2005 (UTC)
We're not editing any articles now and I don't think you can criticize me for being biased on the Bukovina article. Also, the situation on these Iroquis and Mohegans that you mention is a bit different. They don't have their own state. I agree that history is not "fair", but I still wanted your opinion; but it's cool. -- Anittas 07:18, 27 December 2005 (UTC)
My main problem with describing the Theotokos of Vladimir as one of the most exquisite icons created is that it sounds like an opinion on the part of the article's author -- something we generally steer clear of. Could we source it, do you think? It's certainly exquisite, so it should be no problem finding someone of note and reputation who says so. Philip Arthur 06:25, 10 August 2005 (UTC)
Thanks for spotting that...must have reverted in between when I viewed the page and when I protected it :) Ral 315 WS 22:59, 22 October 2005 (UTC)
Ok I want to create a massive web portal on all metro systems of the USSR and I am writing to you because of your position and experience, and I think you can give this project the impulse it needs to take off. Я тебя лично приглашаю на форум метролюбителей и надеюсь тебя там увидеть. Kuban kazak 15:00, 23 October 2005 (UTC)
Hello Irpen, thank you for helping settle the conflict over the use of the History template. Your energy, calm and persuasiveness played extremely important role and helped, beyond words. Thanks! Now that I was thinking over what has happened there, let me throw a suggestion: how about we change the title of the template from "History of Russia" to "History of Russia series"? And same for the template History of Ukraine which you created? Or maybe "this article is part of the series History of ..."? I think this can help (newcomers especially) better understand the role and significance of these templates just from looking at it. I checked Wikipedia:Series_templates and Wikipedia:List of article series; the templates differ in format and in their contents, but I really like the looks and the intelligence of, for example, the template:History of Greece in Byzantine Empire. Also, the "in series" templates in History of Australia, History of Poland look great - to name just a few. I'd post this suggestion at the noticeboards and see what people have to say. What do you think? Cheers! - Introvert talk 09:12, 2 November 2005 (UTC)
As you observed, I'm exceptionally firm with those people who think it's okay to revert war. That means, unfortunately that the bystanders sometimes get hurt - Ghirlandajo also violated the policy, instead of asking for administrator intervention. As I'm aware of his good faith, I blocked him for only half the time. I'm sure he can accept it amiably. Rob Church Talk 17:05, 4 November 2005 (UTC)
Irpen - could you explain the situation to me more fully? I'm not sure I understand what the discussion is about. john k 00:12, 5 November 2005 (UTC)
Irpen, sorry to abuse your page for mentoring an alien from outta space. On a more positive side, I found a quotation I had been talking about. It is in the Britannica entry on Tsar Alexis: "His main fault was weakness; throughout most of his reign, matters of state were handled by favourites, some of whom were incompetent or outright fools". What a pity they didn't name a single one. -- Ghirlandajo 21:31, 11 November 2005 (UTC)
I neder said that EB is infallable. What I meant was that, unlike Wikipedia, EB is peer reviewed by academics and we can be sure that what it writes is within the mainstream. Of course this doesn't guarantee a complete neutrality and infallability. -- Irpen 22:05, 11 November 2005 (UTC)
Please have a look at Michael's announcement Portal:Ukraine/New article announcements#Announcements and take it into account when making comments to your edits.
We were discussed the first paragraph of Ukrainian language at my talk page. I explained you my view. Why do you type "rv unexplained reversion,..." in your comment? [5] Is it nice to misinform your colleagues? Please be fair next time.-- AndriyK 09:24, 15 November 2005 (UTC)
P.S. BTW, "revert bully" [6] is not appropriate in the comment either. You should respect your colleagues.-- AndriyK 09:29, 15 November 2005 (UTC)
Originally I wrote the line articles with Russian translits, however another user AndriyK (who you might have come across before, who has a tendency of not actually writing any articles but changing their translits), has decided (even though I asked him to wait with tranlits) to move the line articles to ukranian tranlits. As I know commenced to creating templates the issues with two spellings became an absoloute bugger, I tried to revert to Russian translit but wiki wont let me, so I had to change the spelling. Can someone unlock my original translit and change it (no space before after dash).
Please note that links to disambiguation pages from the articles are discauraged. I is very inconvenient for the reader, if s/he gets a list of terms instead of the appropriate article. It is often not clear wich of several terms should be chosen. Why do you mess up the links I have recently corrected?-- AndriyK 16:34, 22 November 2005 (UTC)
Was the river renamed very recently? If no, please revert your changes in the article Pereiaslav-Khmelnytskyi.-- AndriyK 15:29, 23 November 2005 (UTC)
Please do not ignore my message. Trubezh is another river. Why do you link the article to the wrong place?-- AndriyK 15:44, 23 November 2005 (UTC)
I was not sure where to write. Let's try here. Thank you for comments and links. Here is my answer and reasoning: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Ukrainian_subdivisions#On_WP_naming_conventions I assume, community here closed this topic already, but let's see what you think on my reasoning. I did only minor changes in the [Dnipro]. Better would be to change name of course... :) but lets discuss first.-- Bryndza 22:38, 24 November 2005 (UTC)
Irpen, hi. This is your post from one of the discussion. I just use it to support next questions: do you check all Ukrainian names in the news before posting them on WP? Why press has such high credibility in your eyes? This "red" line - "usage of the name in media" and "not to dissapoint Anglophones by correct pelling" goes through all your posts. I ask again (my questions on Naming Conventions are still unaswered), why these two factors must determine everything (like in this case - wrong spelling of poor guy Hryhorenko must stay because there are more mistakes in the press than correct spellings. Why do we have redirects then in WP?). And how do you see evolution of proper names if you support wrong ones yourself?
P.S. I stopped writing anything to English WP, I just read talks. So far my impression - even Poles on Polish WP are much more tolerant in articles on "hot" for them Ukrainian topics than people here.-- Bryndza 02:22, 27 November 2005 (UTC)
OK, Irpen, you can discuss on my page if you like. Or wherever you see more convenient, just keep an eye on the talk somehow. We are fighting with Kazak now on Talk:Kuban Cossacks. Please see and read the paragraph that he is triyng to push. Do you agree with it? About templates - I have no problems to take care of all Kyiv metro system templates and tables. But you know my conditions. And as I understand, you agree, that names should be in Ukrainian. I would like to work with Kazak in the articles. Templates - me. Text - him.-- Bryndza 05:31, 29 November 2005 (UTC) If you like - remove this post.
Hi Irpen,
Can you put in some words about this? [ [7]] - someone said that there is nothing in the laws that state that this image is under fair use. As far as I can tell under Ukrainian copyright laws, it falls under fair use because of one of the articles. Can you assign a proper copyright tag to this? mno 20:33, 30 November 2005 (UTC)
Ghirlandajo is out of control. Mediation and input from more Eastern Europeans editors is needed before he managse to portray this as some kind of Polish-Russian war. Your input would be appreciated.-- Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus Talk 22:58, 1 December 2005 (UTC)
Hello. I just thought such move could have solved the dispute which was then in place, I did not thought that someone could object the new name I have proposed as it was self descriptive and probably the only way to describe exactly *those* territories (and it seems that two other users as well moved or tried to move the same article in few last weeks without discussing). I did not create artificial history, but deleted spaces in redirects (at first I, due to copying and pasting the redirect, incidently wrote "Redirect New name" with space instead of "Redirect New name"). Now I noticed that my solution was not approved by the other people, therefore I will disucuss and think of other proposals which, I hope, will work better; I like to solve neutrality disputes in Wikipedia. Kaiser 747 09:42, 14 December 2005 (UTC)
Hi and thanks for a warm wellcome on my talk page. Ukrained 17:20, 14 December 2005 (UTC)
I restored the image Image:Lipovan monument.jpg from a mirror site and rv the edit to Lipovans. I deleted the image because the uploader had not made a contribution in a few months and I figured the odds of them showing up and sourcing the image were small. The speedy delete process for no source images does not require posting on the articles talk page. That would be too time consuming and we would never get rid of the backlog of no source images. Although, I might consider doing that on some of the nicer images like this one - Nv8200p talk 20:37, 15 December 2005 (UTC)
An image or media file that you uploaded, Image:Lipovan monument.jpg, has been listed at Wikipedia:Images and media for deletion. Please look there to see why this is (you may have to search for the title of the image to find its entry), if you are interested in it not being deleted. Thank you. |
You've got 7 days to find a source and tag properly. - Nv8200p talk 20:37, 15 December 2005 (UTC)
Images are back. Please source and tag or they will have to be deleted. - Nv8200p talk 05:43, 16 December 2005 (UTC)
Hi. Take a look at here. Wishes, Ukrained 12:07, 21 December 2005 (UTC)
Hi. Take a look at the article's naming issue and its recent moves. Your comment is welcome. -- Ghirlandajo 09:25, 22 December 2005 (UTC)
Just thought you might be interested to follow the links:
Hi. I agreed with your criteria for inclusion of Ukrainians in List of Ukrainians. There is an edit war going on with me and User:Pecher over the inclusion of ethnic Poles (and a few others) born in the territory of Ukraine but having no cultural or linguistic connection with Ukraine. Can you please support me in my exclusion of these people from the list, as they are in no way Ukrainian. I wish for this edit war to end. Thanks. Antidote
You do realise that my talk page is not the place for you to bicker on - you have your own talk pages for that. Izehar 19:59, 30 December 2005 (UTC)
I think that sparing the 3RR blocks was not a mistake - the amount of tormenting Ghirla has had on his talk page is proof of that. I understand that he is very unpopular over at the Romanian and Polish fronts, but that immature behavior is unacceptable - I wonder who all those anons really are. David seems to think that 3RR blocks were more appropriate in this case - my latest advice to him was to turn a blind eye. Anyway, Ghirla and Anittas will be back tomorrow, so the revert war will resume. Izehar 21:46, 30 December 2005 (UTC)
Hi,
I never thought this would even be considered. Please, have a look at http://business.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,9075-1962714,00.html.
I object to the very idea in strongest terms. I agreed to write articles for free under an implicit condition that noone would be allowed to make money on my contributions. Otherwise, I should be entitled to a share in profits and profit distribution in this particular case is technically not feasible.
If Mr. Wales had this idea from the very beginning, I would have to reluctantly conclude that Wikipedia project is a fraud.
I will destroy my contributions as soon as they post the first add and suggest that you do the same.
Sincerely, Sashazlv 08:13, 31 December 2005 (UTC)
Too early -- maybe, but you never know. Placing an ad is not a technically challenging task. Since he controls the charitable organization that owns the hardware - who are we to prevent him from turning the thing into a money-making device? In any event, I would not want to participate in a commercial project for free. And I am just pissed off by the very fact he even considers a change in the rules of the game. Sashazlv 08:37, 31 December 2005 (UTC)
Check User talk:Zscout370. They started threatening me. Here comes the disillusionment. So fast. Sashazlv 08:45, 31 December 2005 (UTC)
Frankly, I am strongly for placing the ads on wikipedia. I would prefer to see some modest avertisements (kinda sponsored links on Google) than the current fundraizer. I have already donated $100 that could spent elsewhere. I franky find annoying to have to pay to work on usable project and prefer somebody else to fund wikipedia activities. Wikipedia needs a lot of hardware, more paid developers (than two fulltimers as now) and, probably, some prize money for sysadmins and editors. Jimbo Wales made a good project, usefull for the entire humankind and deserve to have some money either (at least on par with the creators of junk dotcoms)
abakharev 12:42, 31 December 2005 (UTC)
Anybody knows if there is any Wikipedia namespace page discussing the pros and cons as add, as well as the current developments? When I saw this article I did a quick search but couldn't find anything concrete.-- Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus Talk 17:07, 31 December 2005 (UTC)
It may not be up your alley, but very few people have came through RfC I posted about History of the World, and there is a slow but pointless revert war there (see Talk:History_of_the_World#Graph_straw_poll), so I am now down to asking fellow Wikipedians to take a look if you have time and will.-- Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus Talk 17:07, 31 December 2005 (UTC)
Thanks for the note. I don't remember having written the content myself, but it's possible. The sentence removed by CJK refers to the work of some Western Cold War scholars who argue that the U.S. had tacitly (looking back I see that the sentence needs a note that the pressure was tacit, not explicit) used its nuclear monopoly to attempt to threaten and intimidate Stalin. The most notable work on that subject has dealt with the U.S. decision to use atomic weapons against Japan. First, there was British physicist P.S.M. Blackett as early as 1948, who wrote in Fear, War, and the Bomb that the destruction of Hiroshima and Nagasaki was "not so much the last military act of the second World War as the first major operation of the cold diplomatic war with Russia." Later, Gar Alperovitz wrote a scholarly account of the Blackett thesis in his Atomic Diplomacy (1965). Now, regarding the military history of the Soviet Union article, I wouldn't favor the removal of the sentence myself, but I don't think it's worth the fight with CJK to restore it. The sentence isn't really important for the development of the rest of the article; and it does lend itself to the possibility of steering editors off the topic of the article to a discussion of the historiography of the Cold War. Further, I see that CJK does have a point in removing the sentence, in that it may likely generate misunderstandings, especially among U.S. readers. At any rate, thanks for letting me know about the edit. 172 07:35, 3 January 2006 (UTC)
The problem with the current wording is that it suggests that the Soviets were aggressively threatened by Truman with nukes, which I believe is untrue. In fact, it would be more accurate the other way around.
172 suggests that the "threat" was created by dropping the nukes on Japan, but that is merely an opinion which is impossible to prove, and therfore does not belong as a fact. CJK 21:17, 4 January 2006 (UTC)
Please, have a look at the article. I added there some information from Polish sources, but probably you can have more to say. Also, I translated some Ukrainian names from Polish into English. Maybe they have other equivalents.-- SylwiaS | talk 19:12, 4 January 2006 (UTC)
Hi Irpen, to check whether an IP is an open proxy, you must configure your PC to use that IP as a proxy. If it works and you can edit through it, then it is an open proxy; if it displays an error message, then it isn't an open proxy. My advice to you though, do not revert their contributions; Mikkalai and Ghirlandajo did that and they both got blocked for violating the three-revert rule. If you find an IP is an open proxy, bear in mind that it's probably a sockpuppet and report it to WP:AN or tell an administrator so that they can block it. Izehar 14:17, 9 January 2006 (UTC)
I think it is an open proxy, and User:Kelly Martin, who has CheckUser Access told me that if I can edit through an IP, then it is an open proxy and should be indefinitely blocked. Are we sure it's Bonaparte though. It could be anyone impersonating him. Izehar 21:43, 13 January 2006 (UTC)
Unfortunately, there's nothing I can do. I may suspect it's Bonaparte, but I cannot block after one abusive edit summary - especially considering the "productive" edits made. I would block it, if I could prove it's an open proxy, but I can't. I'll try again and we'll see. I see very little point in blocking individual proxies - he comes back with a different one every time. Izehar 23:01, 13 January 2006 (UTC)
Sorry, I deleted your message at Talk:Khreschatyk by mistake.-- AndriyK 18:23, 18 January 2006 (UTC)
He replaced my entry with his. This was inapropriate and was reverted. Once you posted it properly, I didn't erase it. I welcome any checkuser, including on myself. To be called AndriyK's sockpuppet was rather bemusing. -- Irpen 00:44, 20 January 2006 (UTC)
Irpen, would you please rephrase that very phrase in Viktor Medvedchuk in an NPOV way? My English feels bad today... Thanks, Ukrained 21:24, 25 January 2006 (UTC)
LOL -- Ghirla | talk 15:22, 26 January 2006 (UTC)
By the way, please do other editors a favour and archive this page. It takes quite some time to upload. Thanks, Ghirla | talk 15:24, 26 January 2006 (UTC)
I like it! One question: you mentioned boards on my talk page... where are they? mno
See Wikipedia talk:Wikiportal/Ukraine re double edit. Sashazlv 7 July 2005 06:46 (UTC).
I also very well understand what is behind your editings and would like to remind you that Wikipedia is not a propaganda machine. Any wrong information should be removed from the articles and, be sure, it will be removed. This my positive contribution to the Wikipedia. It improves the quality of the resource, because wrong information is much worse than lack of information. If you are not agree and would like put the information back, please folow the Wikipedia_official_policy and cite a cite credible sources. Switch yourself to a constructive work, it will help you to find mutural understanding with most of Wikipedians, including myself.-- AndriyK 07:44, 6 October 2005 (UTC)
You both must really have guts to say this. I mean that's funny who's talking about propaganda machine. -- Irpen 14:46, 6 October 2005 (UTC)
Halibutt, you may turn this into an ethics dispute if you want. I would only welcome you or this fellow to start an RfC against me to expose your unsourced POV pushing and my attempt to resist that to which you respond with personal attacks. As for your "no offence", I take everything you said at the face value and I am capable to figure out your intentions from what you say rather than from what you claim you are saying. -- Irpen 22:35, 6 October 2005 (UTC)
Halibutt, how many times do I have to say that this is not about sources. This is about the liberty you take to interprete them and derive conclusions you favor that are just not there. And never have I "ignored". If you refuse to see the answers repeated so many times, I can't do much about it, can I? We can only wait for others to agree or disagree whether the answers to your and my conserns are adequate. Those "others" didn't show up for a while. Still no reason to beleive that the dispute was somehow solved by itself. As for your claimed "politeness" the article's talk page speaks for that. But as for "offence", if I were so easily offended, I would not be able to be at Wikipedia. We all have seen worse than that. It is not for thin-skinned to edit history articles. You should see AndriyK's language he used and even that didn't make me loose my sleep. -- Irpen 02:49, 7 October 2005 (UTC)
Dear Irpen! Sorry if I chose the wrong words for expressing my frustration with AndriyK's behavior. I didn't mean to hurt anybody's feelings. It's just that I've seen a lot of stuff done to a few of my articles that deal with Ukraine's people or geography in one way or another, so I decided to stay away from such topics. I appreciate your hard work in the Russian Portal! Keep it up and see you there. KNewman 05:59, 9 October 2005 (UTC)
Irpen, I would try to support you, although my knowledge of Ukrainian history is mostly limited to Soviet schoolbooks, and discourse is mostly the imperialistic one. I like your edits better, thou I am not sure if it is the right way to weed out all the Polish names from the cities that were Polish. Would it hurt that much if we would add the third (Polish) name in the first string if they want it so badly? abakharev 09:47, 9 October 2005 (UTC)
We may ask to ban him but, as I told him at his talk page, I was trying to avoid it as much as I could. He violated 3RR multiple times and I showed it to him warning that he may get banned but I never actually proceeded in listing him for banning. Besides, after 24-48 hour ban he will be back even more aggravated and will continue his crusade with even more rigor. He may also find ways to circumvent 3RR or simply stay just under it and this pain will go on.
On the other hand, IMO he've done enough for the full-blown arbitration, which may result in a longer ban. If anyone would want to compile an arbitration case, I will comment on it. But as of yet, I would not start it myself. Several people are trying to talk to him and I hope he would listen. But if nothing changes, he will en up banned for sure. -- Irpen 04:11, 12 October 2005 (UTC)
I agree that there are differences of opinions on this. The article provides references that support both versions and both should be mentioned. I explained that some of the sources brought up by this user are controversial but this is no reason to totally dismiss them. What I oppose is that the user simply blanks from the article a sourced version he doesn't like. -- Irpen 01:29, 13 October 2005 (UTC)
Hi, I've read that discussion with some interest. Your characterization as "User Irpen is a very cunning, ingenious, and stubborn troll." ("Користувач Irpen - дуже хитрий, винахідливий і наполегливий троль.") was especially amusing. What can I say - ці западенці зовсім з глузду з'їхали. Maybe, not all of them, but a significant proportion for sure. Sashazlv 01:43, 23 October 2005 (UTC)
And how do we know he is not paid for what he does? It may be a form of an information war strategy. Similar to specifically hired participants in popular forums, like pravda.com.ua or inosmi.ru. They often pick an active user and start dumping sh-t on him. You would be quite a natural choice.
I posted a note to him: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:AndriyK#Discussion_at_maidanua.org. Let's wait and see if he has anything sensible to say. Sashazlv 02:36, 23 October 2005 (UTC)
You wrote: "Compare IP of this account with user:Geminifromukraine" at Talk:Mikhail of Chernihiv. How I can check user's IP? mikka (t) 17:54, 28 October 2005 (UTC)
Well, user Pani, from Maidan said in plain Ukrainian that she reverted Kotlyarevsky under two different names. Since she didn't know what she was doing, I did not make fuss about this. Now, that we are getting new registrants coming over just to vote at Oleg of Chernigov, I am less sure of what to do. -- Irpen 20:02, 29 October 2005 (UTC)
The map is his, I just added it. It is still a beta - we need more places, more arrows and smaller fragment of the map (no need for the west and south). I am glad you like it, though. Do you think we can FAC it now? -- Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus Talk 20:38, 30 October 2005 (UTC)
Please stop pushing Russian Orthodox POV to the articles. Please pay attention that canonicity
Please read WP:NPOV carefully.
Please pay attention that pushing Orthodox POV is against the WP policies.-- AndriyK 20:57, 6 November 2005 (UTC)
I've explained you at Talk:St Volodymyr's Cathedral that if you decided to present the POV of Russian Orthodox Church, the POV of Ukrainian Orthodox Church - Kiev Patriarchy shoud be equally well presented, along with all other POVs. I proposed to discuss the canonicity issue in the article on UOC-KP. But if you decided on the contrary then please present all POVs in every article where you decided to mention "canonicuty" issue.-- AndriyK 08:40, 7 November 2005 (UTC)
If you consider "canonicity" be improtant enough to be mentioned in the article about St. Volodymyr's Cathedral, this is your own POV (or Russian Orthodox POV). But other readers/editors may find other information about UOC-KP be even more important. Finally you end up with the whole article about OUC-KP coppied to St. Volodymyr's Cathedral.
Please decide whether you give all the details abou UOC-KP representing all possible POVs in every article where OUC-KP is mentioned, or you stick at my proposal to give all the detaiuls only in the UOC-KP article, without giving details at every mentioning of UOC-KP in other articles.
Whatevere you decide, please make sure that your decision conforms the Wikipedia NPOV policy. Using Wikipedia for propaganda of Russian Orthodoxy (as well as any other religion) is inadmissible!-- AndriyK 09:13, 7 November 2005 (UTC)
In fact, you have! Presenting only one POV in several articles, without mentioning other POVs is nothing else as propaganda. Your edits are against WP:NPOV.-- AndriyK 13:45, 7 November 2005 (UTC)
I'll have a look at O.R. and the geographic naming, probably by tomorrow night.
In the mean time, I'll ask you to lend me your eyes. Please have a quick look at T-34. I know it's not your cup of tea, but I've done too much writing there to look at the whole thing objectively. Just let me know if the article answers the basic questions early on. Is there too much detail in some parts that should be spun off to other articles? I'd like to start polishing it up for FA, but I need to formulate a general plan first. Cheers. — Michael Z. 2005-11-7 17:36 Z
I would like to poin out once more that your comments misinform the Wikipedia users. There is actibe discussion going on at Talk:St Volodymyr's Cathedral. Consensus is not reached yet. Why do you lie saying "restoring consenus" replaced the article by your extremely biased, Russian Orthodox POV version? If you agree abot something with Ghirlandajo, Kuban Kazak or alike, this is not a consensus yet. Pay attention to other user's opinion. Or you just like the edit war?-- AndriyK 16:29, 8 November 2005 (UTC)
You should chill out and listen to what Wikipedians with experience told you about things, in general, and about me, in particular. You should also have listened to what IlyaK and Gutsul told you at uk-wiki. You should also have listened to what Anatol (Yakudza), Nemesis (N8Sl8er) and others said at Maidan. You should have noted that Ukrainian (or interested in Ukraine) Wikipedians you contacted at their talk pages to try recruit them for your crusade crusade (Berkut, Halibutt, perhaps others too, I didn't follow) and those who you might have tried off Wikipedia did not join.
It could be that I am indeed not anti-Ukrainian. It could be that there is no anti-Ukrainian consipracy at wiki. It could be that Ghirlandajo (whom you called "відвертий і агресивний російський шовініст. Спеціалізується на перекручуванні українських географічних та інших назв на російський манер"), with whom I disageed many times and discussed differences at many talk pages, is a valuable contributor perceptive to communication who contributed a wealth of info about the Ukrainian people, history and culture. It could be that myself, MichaelZ, Sashazlv and all these others were the few who actually tried to present the mainstream Ukrainian POV here and it is your and your namesake's POV's are harming Ukraine at Wikipedia
But the best you could do, is start writing. You just added info to Boyko. Please keep up with contributing as several users offered you to help. -- Irpen 19:49, 9 November 2005 (UTC)
Please do not remove factural information and references from the article Boyko. Please pay attention that any information ypou add should be confirmed by creadible sources. Original research or your privat opinion is not appropriate for the Wikipedia articles.-- AndriyK 09:46, 10 November 2005 (UTC)
I propose to ask for official mediation to resolve the dispute concerning St Volodymyr's Cathedral article. Whould you agree?-- AndriyK 18:07, 12 November 2005 (UTC)
I've got an e-mail from the mediator. Please check your mailsbox so that we can start the dispute resolution.-- AndriyK 15:32, 18 November 2005 (UTC)
Dear Irpen, please devote more of your time to reading books on Ukrainian history, if you would like to make a really usefull contributions to the corresponding articles. Try, for the beginning, to learn the most basic things, for instance the difference between Cossack Hetmanate and Zaporozhian Host.
Wuld you like to correct your edits to the article Polkovnyk yourself? It would be the most preferble way, if you read the literature and correct the mistakes you made.-- AndriyK 18:27, 12 November 2005 (UTC)
No, I was just putting a feeler in case sb does create an article with this title. -- Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus Talk 13:53, 14 November 2005 (UTC)
Please stop from merging Polish military ranks into article about Russian military ranks. -- Molobo 12:04, 15 November 2005 (UTC)
Yes it was in responce to your post about your intent to do so.-- Molobo 21:54, 15 November 2005 (UTC) This is under discussion and I offered Polish editors to have a say on this. Where did I say anything about my intent? In any case say whatever you have to say on the issue at the article's talk where the discussion is ongoing. -- Irpen 22:02, 15 November 2005 (UTC)
I think you would be interested in voting here. Besides, Halibutt have been accused of anti-Russian bias - I wonder how you would reply to this. -- Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus Talk 17:48, 16 November 2005 (UTC)
I'd have thought you would have an opinion on this? Aren't you going to vote?-- Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus Talk 16:19, 18 November 2005 (UTC)
Thanks for your comment left at Ezhiki's page, it helped us clear some things a tad. I would only like to comment on the Massacre of Praga. The previous title of that article was not a sign of my nationalism or anything, it's simply an exact translation of how it is called in Polish historiography (compare [11] with [12] and note that both articles in the latter refer to the Czech capital, and that the term "Bitwa pod Pragą [13] also refers to a battle at the Bohemian city). It is simply that the actual battle is much less notable than the ensuing massacre, which was its exact outcome. While I don't say it's right or wrong, it's simply how it is. Hence that's quite natural that the Polish wiki article is at Rzeź Pragi and not elsewhere - and that was the most natural title for me to post that article under. Halibu tt 00:43, 19 November 2005 (UTC)
In wikipedia un-caninical status UOC-KP is mentionned more than 10 articles, but for the rest internet beside 70 sites. (see Google searching for in Talk:St_Volodymyr's_Cathedral#Yakudza:) Necessary this POV in article Ukrainians? In the personal letter You wrote that do not suppose this necessary. However You continue edit Wars, not considering arguments on Talk:St_Volodymyr's_Cathedral -- Yakudza 19:42, 22 November 2005 (UTC)
Don't twist my words. These are events of different scale. All I mean is that crimes of Stalinism are as much relevant to the Soviet History as the lack of standing of UOC-KP as an Orthodox church to the UOC-KP. -- Irpen 19:59, 22 November 2005 (UTC)
This is not the article about the architecture, this is the article about the church. If you want to expand a Ukrainian Baroque article with more info about different churches, there indeed would be no need to go into discussion of who owns what and who is (un)canonical. However, if we are writing about a particular Orthodox cathedral, the fact that the organization operating is not recognized as representing the Eastern Orthodoxy is relevant. -- Irpen 23:32, 22 November 2005 (UTC)
-- Irpen 23:32, 22 November 2005 (UTC)
An arbitration request involving you has been filed.— Ëzhiki (erinaceus amurensis) 17:40, 23 November 2005 (UTC)
I am not sure. Maybe you can't if you are not a part of an arbitration, but perhaps there is a procedure for that somewhere. I've never been involved with arbitration because I was always able to discuss things with most people. So, I am not an expert to ask. -- Irpen 21:57, 23 November 2005 (UTC)
Naklep?(copy from User_talk:Yakudza) Yakudza, you wrote at Maidan:
"Мушу вибачитись перед АК я дещо помилявся відносно Ірпіня. Ось його чергова дія: не маючи аргументів, щоб довести свою правоту вони звернулись з наклепом в арбітраж вікіпедії."
Could you please elaborate on this statement of yours or appologize for it because this is a real "naklep". Please note the broad spectrum of users who co-signed. I didn't write for them, btw. I am not sure you can respond to the ArbCom, but I would be interested to see your response here. Feel free to write in Russian or Ukrainian if you have to. I hope this slipped out of your mouth by an accident. So far, you've been a mostly civil and respecful guy. Regards, -- Irpen 00:25, 24 November 2005 (UTC)
Irpen, если не возражаете размещу ответ здесь, не знаю правильно ли это, если посчитаете это неуместным, можете свободно его вытереть сейчас или через несколько дней, я скопирую его на свою страницу. -- Yakudza 22:34, 24 November 2005 (UTC)
Я написал, что это поклеп, так как полагаю, что выдвинутые обвинения несправедливы, односторонне представлены и сильно передернуты. Не знаю, может быть уместно было употребить иное слово. Я действительно раньше считал , писал об этом на форуме Майдана, и сейчас продолжаю считать, что поведение AnriyK в то время, когда он пришел на вики было довольно необдуманным, его обвинения в ваш адрес довольно обидными и во многом несправедливыми. Даже несмотря на то, что такая реакция была спровоцирована Вашим поведением, и в частности привлечением к войне редактирования таких людей как User:Ghirlandajo. Это довольно своеобразный редактор. При большом количестве редактирований, он довольно нетерпим к чужому мнению, регулярно оскорбляет других ( см. список, меня он назвал бандеровцем), попытки прояснить ситуацию на его странице называет "персональными атаками" и вытирает записи. Делая откаты он практически никогда не обсуждает это в дискуссиях. При этом в его правках огромное количество POV. Справедливости следует сказать, что он действительно сделал много полезного в "украинской" части вики, написал и дополнил много нейтральных "украинских" статей, противодействовал польскому POV в "украинских" страницах, но все вышеперечисленное, совершенно нивелирует полезный вклад.
Поясню почему считаю обвинения, поданные в арбитраж, сильно передернутыми:
In modern contexts and indirect historical contexts I see no harm in leaving Chernihiv an reference to city. mikka (t) 22:26, 23 November 2005 (UTC)
Have a look at this http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Belarus#Russian_occupation, and tell me do you see this as History of Belarus or more like the history of Poland and the Polish Partitions, lets modify it I have an excellent source on 19th century history in Belarus, it is slightly religiously orientiated but good nevertheless. http://www.pravoslavie.ru/arhiv/050513111111 Kuban kazak 23:27, 26 November 2005 (UTC)
Thanks for the note. The case looks like a huge headache. You have my sympathy! I'll keep an eye on AndriyK when he shows up on my watchlist. For now I may not be able to offer too much help, as I have my hands full with Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of modern day dictators. I'm a bit worried that the crusade on behalf of the list is going to establish a precedent undermining consensus against "original research." BTW, your input on the AfD will be much appreciated, of course. Best regards, 172 09:38, 27 November 2005 (UTC)
Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/AndriyK has been accepted. Please place evidence on Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/AndriyK/Evidence. Proposals and comments may be placed on Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/AndriyK/Proposed decision. Fred Bauder 02:26, 28 November 2005 (UTC)
I thought you'd like to know, the page was unprotected (without an ensuing revert spree). I dawdled a bit much, but I've now submitted a revision to the page for everyone's consideration. Please see my comments at talk:Russian architecture. Regards, Michael Z. 2005-12-1 05:50 Z
Just when I was about to respond I noticed that you removed the comment. Anyway, as I already mentioned somewhere I'm not so convinced the RfC could do anything as I definitely wouldn't like the "good Ghirlandajo" to be blocked just because the "bad Ghirlandajo" is who he is. On the other hand I simply felt that something has to be done and I lost hope in all attempts at mediation. Now I shall wait and see what happens. Finally, take note that I'm not questioning Ghirlandajo's POV as he is 100% entitled to it, just like anyone else. What I am questioning is his behaviour, which is a completely different thing. Halibu tt 15:59, 3 December 2005 (UTC)
Irpen, thanks for your comments at my talk page. I know that there are risks, as there is always a risk of doing something wrong. As I said during my RfA - the only person not to commit mistakes is the one never to do anything. Having said that, I'm not sure if further antagonization, as you put it, is possible at all. After all I heard I saw no other option but to ask for help. I simply lost all hope in Ghirlandajo and certainly would not like his behaviour to continue. As the attempts at changing his offensive behaviour failed, I simply have no ideas as to what more could I do.
And this RfC is basically it: I'm asking the community what could be done about it. Got any idea? Halibu tt 02:56, 6 December 2005 (UTC)
Ok, now I get your point (hopefully), though I still dissagree. My main objection is that we are supposed to work as a community. Not some Polish club versus Russian club or whatever, despite what Ghirlandajo tries to present. I understand that you had some problems with some of the Polish contributors (I'm guessing Molobo, Witkacy, Space Cadet or such..?), and I surely understand that their ways might be disturbing. However, if they break the laws of the wiki, it is the duty of all of the community to set their paths straight. Note that I never held Mikka responsible for the actions of Ghirlandajo nor did I held the fact that he did not try to cool him down against him as it would be absurd. Apart from the country of origin the two have simply close to nothing in common and I see no way Mikka should be obliged to do the job of the entire community. Same applies to me and the problematic users who happen to be Polish. At times their actions are as they are and at times I tend to leave some comments on their talk pages so as to cool them down, as it's always easier to get in touch with own countrymen (as was the recent case of Molobo, for instance, or the not-so-recent dissagreement I had with Witkacy). We are different people and it is not my job to correct the behaviour of other contributors. It is our job. Get the difference?
Having said that, I still believe that asking the community for ideas (not condemnation of Ghirlandajo, just ideas on how could this problem be solved) is the best way I could handle that. There is a serious problem which disturbs several wikipedians and it needs to be solved, not hidden under the carpet. Alternatively I could ask for Ghirlandajo's block - and I believe it would be supported, especially after some of the most outraging remarks of his. However, the guy does a great deal of great job as well and I still believe that there is some way he could improve. Banning him at this point would mean that wikipedia would loose a problem user, but also a great contributor. However, so far I see no possibility of ever having a disagreement with him about the content of the articles as he is simply too offensive to start a discussion with him. Imagine what would you do in my shoes? How could one discuss with someone, who simply cannot explain his edits and instead continues to offend all the people involved, assume their bad will and so on?
As to Battle of Volodarka - note that the main disagreement was between what you found to be doubtful and what was written in the sources. Sure, both were Polish and you found one of them of little credibility, though still they were sources, while you had none. After umpteenth revert I indeed lost my nerves, for which I'm sorry, but I'm pretty sure you understand that there was some reason behind that. So, I believe my situation is quite different from that of Ghirlandajo, who offends even people whom he never met in his life, just because they seem to be Polish to him. BTW, as to the battle - I even started a tedious work of translating an entire chapter of Wyszczelski for you before I noticed that you withdrew. I'm still open to suggestions and discussion there, though not until you find some sources to discuss with. Get my point? We already discovered that our noses tell us different things and there's no way we could convince one another there. However, what could make me (or others, for that matter) change my (or ours) mind(s) would be hard facts and sources. And take note that in most cases I'm willing to accept even the compromises I like the least (as was the case of Danzig, Domeyko, Warsaw Uprising, and lots of other articles). If I have a problem with reaching a compromise, it's usually a case where I present my sources and the opposing side presents none, not where I call people stupid, their edits malicious and their intentions bad.
Finally, what would my withdrawal of the RfC change? Ghirlandajo has explicitly said that he does not want to be cooperative and that he shall not change his offensive and disruptive behaviour. So, should I simply wipe the spit of my face and go on, until he offends me again and again? Sadly, I'm not that good of a Christian. And when will this stop then? I believe it's still not too late to change something peacefully, without asking the community to block Ghirlandajo, which is the other alternative here. Call me an idealist, but I still believe that a way could be found to make him continue his valuable edits and back down on disruptive behaviour. Halibu tt 02:56, 9 December 2005 (UTC)
There are arbitration committee mambers who will read this page and they will rearange it or will request it to be done by other users if they find it necessary. Alternatively, you may propose Andrew Alexander to rearange his comments. You behave like you privatized this page.-- AndriyK 18:18, 10 December 2005 (UTC)
Yet again, I suggest you read the instructions. It is your arbitration and knowing the procedure may help you defend yourself and convinse the ArbCom to come up with a not so harsh sentence. -- Irpen 18:27, 10 December 2005 (UTC)
Definitely, you are not at best writing about Bukowina and city of Cernauti, as you dislike the region. Please refrain on reverting without reading or thinking on others contribution. -- Vasile 14:36, 26 December 2005 (UTC)
Hi Irpen. Thanks for contacting me. Firstly, I think you're making a bit of conspiracy of the whole case here. I don't know what you're trying to get at - either that I was the person who did the reverting and then logged in to block Mikka, or I was tipped off by one of the trolls as part of a conspiracy to block Mikka, I really don't know. But I assure you that nothing of the kind took place. The way I got to WP:ANI was by looking at Bonaparte and Anittas' contributions - which I often do, to check for any problems - and I got to WP:ANI/3RR's entry on Ghirlandajo and Anittas. And there, at the bottom of the page, was the entry on Mikka. And indeed, there was a 3RR breach.
As to the legality of blocking him under 3RR - Mikka had no right to block the "trolls". It was an edit war, and both Mikka and the "trolls" were equal players. That you personally think the article version that the "trolls" were reverting to is "disgusting" (the disgusting Antiromanianism article) is your personal opinion. I appreciate that you tried to NPOV it. However, Mikka should not have reverted that many times, since he knew about the 3RR. As to Ghirlandajo's block, if Ghirla was simply reverting the deletion of a disputed tag, he should not have been blocked. Finally, I'd like to tell all of you that this case has been blown out of proportion. Everyone is suspecting things, getting offended, etc. It shouldn't be that way, really. 3RR bans are for 24 hours, they're not a big deal and as I've always said, they're not a judgement call. I don't see why I should apologise to him. I'm someone who believes very much in checks and balances and despises abuses of power, as you can see at my talk page and my Wikipedia:Ombudsman proposal. So, I thought about the case before I blocked him. I don't see why I should apologise for fairly enforcing a Wikipedia policy. Thanks, Ronline ✉ 08:56, 4 January 2006 (UTC)
As for your not feeling guilty I said it all at your talk. You can't possibly compensate Mikka's departure by keeping bonapartes at bay, but by your doing it, at least, you will do something useful unlike blocking the most respectable editor in E. European topics whose only fault here was not being decisive enough dealing with vandals who edited through anonymous open proxies. -- Irpen 16:03, 4 January 2006 (UTC)
So very happy! Let's hope it'll all be all right now. And thanks for your support - Introvert ? @ 21:54, 6 January 2006 (UTC).
Hi. I'm going to suggest Khreschatyk for both the DYK and the FA (although never did). Please help editing and promoting with whatever you can do and as soon as you can. Thanks, Ukrained 22:49, 7 January 2006 (UTC).
Dear Ukrained. Frankly, I appreciate your work here. An extra pair of hands and an extra pair of eyes is always helpful to us, especially in a state when there are so few editors concerned about Ukraine and a good quarter of those who join bring net-negative contribution by starting the naming wars, accusing opponents in all sorts of sins and otherwise wasting time of those who are prepared to contribute to articles, but have instead to do the damage control of the actions of those fellows. I do not consider you to be one of them. We managed to agree on things and civilly disagree on others. That's fine of course. However, I noticed that you tend to react too harshly to disagreements, assume bad faith of opponents and react uncivilly. Not once I told you that this is very counterproductive. Wikipedia's talk pages are not usenet newsgroups where the idea is to geth the message through in the most voicefull form smearing the opponents if necessary. We discuss the articles and try to find how to improve them. I suggest that you always keep that in mind. Some well known trolls must be dealt with reprimands, warning and through administrative actions but until you have strong reasons to beleive that your opponent is one of them, you should remember to assume good faith and act accordingly. I am saying all this here not to get pleasure of lecturing you but to avoid future article disagreements getting ugly. Your tone of mine and several talk pages is unhelpful.
Now, to the DYK submission. What I did with it may be found here. This was preceded by Michael's reformatting of the original submission. As you can see, after Michael's expansion (that took place on Jan. 9) the proposed DYK entry had so little in common with the original entry, that it was practically a new suggestion. As such, in my edit I moved it without altering to the new date (Jan 9), the date of Michael's reformatting it. The DYK-keeper admin then contacted me to point out that the entries are sorted not by the date of submissions but by the date of the article's creation. This is done for his convenience in selecting the featured entries among the proposed one since the article creation date is an important factor and the proposal submission isn't. At the same time he contacted Michael to let him know that when the entry suggestion is rephrased, both the new and the old variants should be presented.
My only other edit of that DYK submission after that was this image substitution. I inserted the image that you proposed yourself BTW since it most accurately represents the subject of the article.
I hope you are now satisfied by the complete information that you asked for. In the future, to find what was done and by whom, you just need to go to the article's or talk page's history and use the "Compare selected versions" button. -- Irpen 21:12, 14 January 2006 (UTC)
Hi! Could you help me please in discussion about Comparative military ranks of World War II. My opponents tend to indicate for example Soviet Generalissimo as having the same rank as British Field Marshal of RAF or US General of the Army. Since there is no factual support to this point of view, I strongly disagree. Also they delete Soviet Marshal of (specific arm) ranks, which were invented in 1943. My arguments you can find on my talk page. Thank you!-- Nixer 03:02, 11 January 2006 (UTC)
Стосовно диференціації румун/молдаванів у Чернівецькій області можу додати таке. Коли я був влітку у Чернівцях прочитав у офіційному довіднику, що розподілення на румун/молдован йде в залежності від місця проживання. Населення Новоселицького района, що межує з Молдовою, вважає себе молдаванами, а деяких інших румунами. На жаль не вийшло знайти такої детальної статистики по районах в інтернеті - може просто погано шукав. Тобто, це самоідентифікація без ніякого примусу з боку влади. -- Yakudza 11:59, 11 January 2006 (UTC)
Please mark this images as {{ fair use in}}. I don't think that {{ PD-UA-exempt}} is applicable to images, and doubt that nobody could copyrights photos from Ukrainian Parliament. -- EugeneZelenko 15:14, 12 January 2006 (UTC)
He, I've just been on the Moldovan Wikipedia - it's fun. Bonaparte is there, trolling as usual. The interesting page is at: [14]. There is a vote whether to keep of ditch the Moldovan Wikipedia. It's about Node ue in favour of keeping it and a Romanian gang if favour of abolishing it. It's in may languages, mostly English and Romanian and Bonny is trying to get everyone to speak Romanian or leave - he says it is disrespectful. That doesn't stop him speaking Romanian on the English Wikipedia though ;-) Izehar 21:02, 14 January 2006 (UTC)
You sure you meant me? I have never-ever edited the article, neither recently nor long ago... Halibu tt 19:59, 23 January 2006 (UTC)
You might want to know that at Kiev Metro, there seems to be an edit war with a hypocrite, not to insult him, but demanding sources for existance of street vendors in subways, weather removal of plaques and sculptures of Lenin damaged the original architectural composition and design of the stations, and, you will love this one. If Serpukhovskaya in Moscow, looks similar to Lybedskaya in Kiev that is original research and it is no way possible that one could have influenced each other. Also there seems to be a problem wether it is more correct if the Soviet Union broke up or Ukraine bacame indepedent.á Maybe this is for the laugh of it but can you help me convince this skeptic to realise that original research and some general logic are not necessary the same things. -- Kuban kazak 22:03, 25 January 2006 (UTC)
I think I have used all of the material you gave me (Take a good look at recent developments and future plans for each line), but I seemed to lost the original message, can you re-post it, preferably here. -- Kuban kazak 23:08, 12 February 2006 (UTC)
Please let me know whether this is a general complaint in the Romanian press or specific complaint made by a "Romanian organization inside Ukraine". I don't doubt that Romanian press has such an opinion over the issue. I tagged the statement that complaints are being made by "Romanian organizations in Ukraine". --Irpen 20:52, 25 January 2006 (UTC)
A general complaint in Romanian press? Not at all. I don't understand your request. -- Vasile 13:47, 26 January 2006 (UTC)
The AndriyK RfAr has been closed. Until by consensus he has agreed to a suitable and mutually agreed naming convention using the guideline Wikipedia:Naming conflict, AndriyK is prohibited from moving pages, or changing the content of articles which relate to Ukrainian names, especially those of historical interest. AndriyK is banned for one month from Wikipedia for creating irreversible page moves. Andrew Alexander, AndriyK, and MaryMaidan are warned to avoid copyright violations and to cooperate with the efforts of others to remove copyright violations. Ghirlandajo is warned to avoid incivility or personal attacks.
On behalf of the Arbitration Committee, Kelly Martin ( talk) 04:57, 27 January 2006 (UTC)
Hi Irpen. I know we do not agree on all issues but I would like you to know that Duca by no means represents the opinions of the Romanian wikipedians here nor does he represent my own opinion. As I do not want one individual to stain my position as well as the positions of others on the bukovina article, I propose that we all just take a brake from there, stop reverting it for a while and come to it later when all our heads have been cleared. On top of that he cannot continue his rhetoric if nobody will be there to listen. What do you say? Constantzeanu 02:57, 28 January 2006 (UTC)
I agree that if it's an open proxy it should be banned - I am not an admin though so I'm just left going through the warning/reporting motions for standard vandalism. You might report it at WP:AN somewhere. ( ESkog)( Talk) 21:01, 28 January 2006 (UTC)
What is going on with 221.169.51.189? Here you're saying that it's an open proxy. If so, then it should be indefinitely blocked - you should take it to WP:AIV. Latinus 21:08, 28 January 2006 (UTC)
Do you think the meeting place is really worth a separate article? Sashazlv 02:02, 29 January 2006 (UTC)
As to Фигуры ХХ столетия. Юзеф Плисудский: начальник, который создал себе государство - I know that the more exact translation (word for word) is the one you propose. However, I believe that in English his office of Naczelnik (начальник) is called not Chief but Chief of State. Hence my translation, which is a tad further from the original, but at the same time IMO explains the title a tad better. Halibu tt 14:51, 4 February 2006 (UTC)
Hello,
Thanks for your efforts in preserving the integrity of the Battle of Borodino article. Please be mindful that anonymous editors may be new users unaware of the edit history function, and as such, may not see comments left for them in edit summaries. You may find it more helpful to leave a note on their talk page.
I've gone ahead and left a message for User:199.111.242.235 informing them of Wikipedia's three revert rule. You can do the same by entering {{subst:3RR}} on a talk page and signing your name.
Warm Regards, Adrian Lamo ·· 04:44, 5 February 2006 (UTC)
I would participate but I am not the most active editor to this article nor am I the most interested one. Unless others agree to participate in mediation they are in no way bound by its course or the outcome. As such, without getting others of board, we will be wasting our time. If, OTOH, you get others, especially Ghirlandajo, agree to the mediation, I am in. So, pls take it as a conditional yes. -- Irpen 06:07, 5 February 2006 (UTC)
I think your list is good to start with. As for "your" article, believe it or not but I made no connection between you as a wiki-user and that article at that time. I simply followed the edits of an anon IP prompted by a kind of message s/he left at the different user's talk page that happened to be on my watchlist. I saw "your" article in that user's contributions and reverted it because after the original message I had reasons to view her edits with suspicion. I haven't realized that this was the article of the same person who left me a message at talk because we met only briefly by then and I didn't take a note of your name at that time. Now, I will remember of course. Cheers, -- Irpen 07:59, 5 February 2006 (UTC)
I agree. I wish I was notable for a wikiarticle too. Maybe sometime :). See you around and thanks for getting in touch with me. Cheers, -- Irpen 08:46, 5 February 2006 (UTC)
See my comment in the edit summary. I suggest you check those anons for being open proxies. I just have my hands full and I am sure you know how to do it. Once determined as such, post a note at WP:AN/I and they'll be permabaned. There was a fellow who ran a sophisticated botnet and used proxies even to register different accounts to rig votings, 3RR's, etc. Permabanned now of course. Take care, -- Irpen 09:19, 5 February 2006 (UTC)
I remember back when Lamo was featured on TV they specifically mentioned his birthday was once every 4 years (eg, Feb 30th). Here's a google search that might help [15] you can look through the results. Lamo is on line right now and I'm sure he would have denied that if it wasn't true. I'm placing his birthday back in the article, let me know if you intend to revert it. 68.223.43.236 07:45, 5 February 2006 (UTC)
Hi,
Can you figure out who destroyed "Government of Ukraine"? Someone changed it to a redirect to Politics of Ukraine and important information was lost (i.e., country code, long/short name, state symbols, other governmental institutions, etc.). This saddens me a lot, but I don't have time for extensive search.
I think the proper way in such cases is to ask for a discussion to combine the articles. And certainly not to destroy one article in such an ugly way. Sashazlv 04:01, 9 February 2006 (UTC)
Thanks and thanks for restore, I think I already had minor clashes over Ukrainian articles with that overly self-confident Dutch lawyer before. Sashazlv 13:57, 9 February 2006 (UTC)
Huh: http://www.inosmi.ru/translation/225474.html -- Ghirla | talk 12:08, 10 February 2006 (UTC)
I know he "took part". What I asked was whether he commanded the attack. -- Lysy talk 09:27, 13 February 2006 (UTC)
Hi; sorry I didn't take a look at image:Tank factory.jpg sooner. I'm afraid they're all KV-1 tanks on the factory floor, but I did find a good place for it in Soviet armored fighting vehicle production during World War II. Thanks.
In related matters, have you had a look at Wikipedia:Templates for deletion#Russian copyrights? Lots of images are in danger of disappearing, but the justification for doing so does not seem completely clear. — Michael Z. 2006-02-13 17:19 Z
Beg your pardon ? Ukrained 17:37, 13 February 2006 (UTC)
Hi, Irpen. One clueless guy and his likely sock attack the article, adding here silly pseudoscientific claims aired by a TV-show. We need to counter the assault promptly. Please take a look. -- Ghirla | talk 18:12, 13 February 2006 (UTC)
I've left an apology at User talk:Mariah-Yulia. CambridgeBayWeather (Talk) 05:11, 14 February 2006 (UTC)
Urban and Goebbels, Goebbels and Urban. Fasolt and Fafner, Fafner and Fasolt. Irpen, don't waste time with him. In fact, I once asked him if he was writing a resume for a job in the Ministry of Propaganda, but not to bother, since Dr. Goebbels was dead, and the Ministry was kaputt. This was after a series of ad hominen attacks on me, plus the usual rants and missrepresentations of facts. Dr. Dan 06:29, 14 February 2006 (UTC)
Dear Irpen. First, I didn't badmouth you like you state here. If you're talking about this my post... there are no names there (except one, of a user many times warned by administrators), there is no YOUR name. If you like to confess in POV-pushing and trollism by "signing the trend", that's up to you :)))) .
Second, please don't LIE in your "battle for hearts and minds" :). In this post to Duca, I was evidently protecting you and WP principles. I was and is grateful for you policy towards Romanian nationalists. But I'm not going to back you again. Not so good wishes already, Ukrained 20:57, 14 February 2006 (UTC)
Sorry. I appologize then. I didn't see that K.K.'s also welcome the user. In no way I support your opinion of him as a troll but he was incivil at times, granted. In any case, your accusation of me lying was totally undeserved. I stand by my demand that section titles for messages left at my talk be appropriate. Let's now put the issue behind and return to improving WP. -- Irpen 21:49, 14 February 2006 (UTC)
Hi, Are you available to answer a quick question? (I "watch" your page -- no need to reply on my talk). Sashazlv 01:16, 18 February 2006 (UTC)
Dear Irpen, if you DO want to co-operate with me civilly, simply to discuss things with me, you should stop applying double standards and tricky PR-practices to me. Particularly, you should not:
Also, if you insist on not trolling between us, you may concider renunciation of some of your posts made [17].
As for your recent suggestions on my talk, you may or may not discuss them there. Ukrained 12:42, 18 February 2006 (UTC)
It would be very interesting to see the way Britannica is presenting the subject. I guess is not very different of that released from the University of Toronto in association with the Ukrainian cultural organisation in Canada. -- Vasile 02:12, 22 February 2006 (UTC)
Hi Irpen, thanks for the links; what you have done and proposed is in the right direction as sockpuppetry is a serious allegation. -- Gurubrahma 02:43, 23 February 2006 (UTC)
Russkaya Pravda have also an entry in wikisource now. It is an accurate translation? -- Vasile 03:59, 23 February 2006 (UTC)
was:I was blocked but then he changed his mind, but I would much rather talk about Russia with You :D
Wanna talk some Russia and Ukraine stuff? If so I will get the ball rolling
Do you think Russia and Ukraine will unite again? I think it is possible if Russias economy started grwoing even more then now and lots of ukranians moved there to get jobs. After a few years of that some people might say hey why dont we unite again we all seem to be working in russia so why not become the same again?
What do you think, is it possible?-- Deng 01:09, 24 February 2006 (UTC)
Nonsense :(
But I want them to unite :D
I am sorry I dont know Russian, not yet anyway ;)
I am from Sweden. Schools here are free, but to study Russian at an uni level is no joke so I dont know if I want to do that AND to study what I am allready studying which is math but I will most likely jump to physics.
And nice seeing you to ;)
( Deng 01:46, 24 February 2006 (UTC))
Hi, thanks for your voting on my RFA. It has finished with the result 88/14/9, and I am promoted. I am really overwhelmed with the amount of support I have got. With some of you we have edited many articles as a team, with some I had bitter arguments in the past, some of you I consider to be living legends of Wikipedia and some nicks I in my ignorance never heard before. I love you all and I am really grateful to you.
If you feel I can help you or Wikipedia as a human, as an editor or with my newly acquired cleaning tools, then just ask and I will be happy to assist. If you will feel that I do not live up to your expectation and renegade on my promises, please contact me. Maybe it was not a malice but just ignorance or a short temper. Thank you very mach, once more! abakharev 07:34,
Thank you for supporting me in my request for adminship! It ended with a tally of 39/5/4, and I am now an admin. I'm glad to have earned the trust of the community, and I will make use of it responsibly. Of course, you can let me know of any comments or concerns you have.
With a million articles in front of me, I'd better get mopping.
rspeer /
ɹəədsɹ 05:11, 3 March 2006 (UTC)
The debate has restarted, your input would be much appreciated, as the discussed propoasal is the one incorporating your previous suggestions and comments. -- Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus Talk 16:51, 19 October 2005 (UTC)
It's not tru that UPC-KP came to existance in 1991 or in 1992. In fact, the Ukrainian Orthodox Church existed before this timepoint. In 1991-1992 it bacame independent from Moscow Patriarchy and change its name. Accordxing to the Civil Law UPC-KP is a successor of Ukranian Exarchate and autonomous UOC. You perfectly know this. "Retained" is just the right word there. Other people have already explained it to you. Will you start to listen other editor's arguments at last?-- AndriyK 18:49, 7 November 2005 (UTC)
I downloaded it from somewhere maybe two years ago. All I remember is that it was not copyrighted. Sorry. But I have some more in my collection, give me your e-mail and I'll send it over. Kasmicheskiy Pyeshyekhod aka Space Cadet 01:35, 12 December 2005 (UTC)
I just sent some pictures your way. Let me know if you got them fine. Space Cadet 02:25, 12 December 2005 (UTC)
"If you know Rusyn, could you please translate for me the caption to the picture there that says: "Перед кунківском церквю капітан ПВ одберат мельдунок"."
I do not speak Rusyn, but since I speak Serbian, I can understand part of the sentence. Translation would be like this: "In front of the Kunkivska(?) church, the captain PV (одберат мельдунок)(?)". I do not understand last two words. PANONIAN (talk) 18:02, 12 December 2005 (UTC)
Maybe "confiscates property"? Ukrainian: одбирає майно. Any Rusyns speakers please? -- Irpen 18:13, 12 December 2005 (UTC)
Here is what User:Yakudza wrote on my talk page about this:
PANONIAN (talk) 18:58, 12 December 2005 (UTC)
I was talking about this article. The phrase in question is the caption to the third image from top. -- Irpen 02:39, 15 December 2005 (UTC)
Hi Irpen,
Can you please look over the history of development and add your comments/suggestions to the Talk:Kiev_Metro#Line_map?
Thanks, mno 10:42, 6 February 2006 (UTC)
I see you have reinserted Polonization as an example of Russophobia. How these are relevant ? -- Lysy talk 21:24, 9 February 2006 (UTC)
You add {{fact}} in that article, I realy don't know why, because it's so obvious for Cieszynioks (inhabitants of Cieszyn Silesia) :) that here really was the invasion. See Talk:Cieszyn. Regards, D T G 19:28, 11 February 2006 (UTC)
It has been a while since I talked with you. I was wonder if an article exist on the Russian TV station ΡΤΡ (Russia Television)? User:Zscout370 (Return Fire) Fair use policy 02:34, 13 February 2006 (UTC)
I'm waiting for a reply from you... Are we having a discussion or not? Thanks. Dmaftei 16:43, 16 February 2006 (UTC)
proszę nie wywolywać agresji na forum, jeśli dodajesz cytaty w języku polskim to chyba wiesz co tam pisze ! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 83.22.212.170 ( talk • contribs) 27 February 2006 (UTC)
Alex, thanks for removing the inapropriate entry. Anon: Прошу писати менi однiєю з мов, вказаних на моєї сторiнцi користувача. -- Irpen 06:29, 1 March 2006 (UTC)
See Wikipedia:Requests for comment/Chisinau. mikka (t) 20:52, 1 March 2006 (UTC)
He logged in again. His first action was to snatch a couple of userboxes from my user page (as he had done before). Check his other contributions, they are pretty obvious. -- Ghirla -трёп- 18:50, 4 March 2006 (UTC)
Hi there! I noticed you asked Piotrus about the toponyms used on one of my maps (I guess it was the one for the article on Polish-Muscovite War). As a rule of thumb, I chose to use consistent naming in all of the maps pertaining to the series. That is: German names for towns in Germany, Silesia and parts of Austria, Hungarian names where applicable (I would use Turkish names for the northernmost eyalets, but I simply forgot them so I use Hungarian instead, Polish names for all parts of the Commonwealth (even in variants of the map depicting the period before Polish replaced Old Ruthenian as a chancery language in GDL - for simplicity's sake) and modern English transcryption for places in Russia. And English names wherever applicable (Moscow, Warsaw).
I know this system is not perfect, but I made the first map shortly after one of the Talk:Danzig wars ended and I decided not to give people too many reasons to start endless quarrels over the naming. I adopted one common naming system for all the Rzeczpospolita series and used it consistently ever since. BTW, in case someone wanted to prepare a localized version for his own native language wikipedia - I made the source code available through the commons, so there's no problem with that either. I initially also wanted to prepare a map in the Lithuanian version for the Lithuanian wiki, as some of the contributors from that country seem to be alerged to Polish or Ruthenian, but DeirYassin lost interest in wikipedia lately and no other Lithuanian seems to be interested any more. Halibu tt 03:19, 7 November 2005 (UTC)
Irpen, after talking to Ghirla, I feel like I am talking to a diplomat with you and I honestly do not want to fight with you over every single issue about cernauti or bukovina. If you want Chernivtsi Oblast to stand alone without a Romanian name, then so be it(provided herta, cernauti city and bucovina will keep their romanian name too). Currently I have no major issues over either article. I propose we stop the revert war and leave them as they are (save for additions in other fields like economics, etc. etc.). Constantzeanu 02:07, 30 January 2006 (UTC)
What do you think?
-- Kuban Cossack 02:18, 7 March 2006 (UTC)
Well, I think you know me well enough to judge whether you can trust me when I say that I respect my country and my nation as well as all the others. The problem with an old map is that it is incorrect because it does not reflect the new station. K.K. pledged to make one. If anyone makes it earlier, I will support the substitution. Personally, I am too a bad artist to draw it. I have no reason to mistrust K. K. who says that the English map will be there in one-two day time. On a side note, anonymous, even if you contribute occasionally, please reregister. It would make communication easier. Schasty, -- Irpen 08:25, 7 March 2006 (UTC)
And now trolls are attacking it! Help. -- Kuban Cossack 19:59, 7 March 2006 (UTC)
I will explain at the article's talk. -- Irpen 04:18, 8 March 2006 (UTC)
You know what? I see potential trouble coming out of your version and you know the reason why exactly as much as I do. I would have reverted it myself, but since it has English names, I find it useful despite the excessive "letters" you put there. I say, keep the Russian names only when necessary and don't insert them when not necessary. Modern names on modern maps is the place when they are not necessary IMO. Take my suggestion into account when you make a final drawing. In the meanwhile, because your version uses latin letters while the old ones used the cyrillic ones, I will not revert it for now only. Please don't be surprized if the ususal suspects have less tolerance then myself. You could have avoided the problem altogether if you did this the right way. We will talk about this again, when your final version is ready. Goodnight. -- Irpen 00:17, 10 March 2006 (UTC)
Personally, I didn't mind the dual transliteration map. My consern was that others might and I wanted to spare some blood over the issue where I think the second transliteration, while useful, is not necessary enough in order to produce more conflicts and sour feelings. As long as everyone is fine with it, I don't mind. It is useful to be able to distinguish on when to take a firm stand and when to let it go. We should all remember that. -- Irpen 02:02, 20 March 2006 (UTC)
He is trying to sneack back. Check WP:AN. -- Ghirla -трёп- 17:56, 9 March 2006 (UTC)
Can you please help me to stop Halibutt inserting the copyrighted image into the FAI article?
He looks like he cant read English text in rules on fair use-- Nixer 13:42, 12 March 2006 (UTC)
You believe Communist Poland in 1945 was independent ? -- Molobo 21:07, 15 March 2006 (UTC)
At [25]. I think we all want to avoid another RfC (or something more serious), but really, there are limits of Wikipedia:Civility that should not be broken. Swearing in edit summaries is one of them, IMHO. I doubt that any attempt from me or other Polish user to talk to Ghirla would do any good. Can you do something? -- Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus Talk 03:25, 17 March 2006 (UTC)
Thank you for your support in my RfA.
Sadly, my RfA failed (on my birthday out of all days!), mainly due to it's closeness to the previous one. I hope that in any future RfAs I'll have your support!
Nonetheless, if I can do anything for you don't hesitate to ask me.
Have a nice St Patrick's Day!
Computerjoe 's talk 21:53, 17 March 2006 (UTC)
If you read the earlier discussion you posted a link to, you'd probably notice that I proposed it myself. And I'm fine with the move if that's the decision of the community (unless it's going to be moved to some bizarre title like List of famous L'vivians, of course). I opposed deleting the section outright, but not it's removal into a separate article. Of course, IMO the article is still not long enough for such a partition to be done and I really don't see a need to divide it, but if others do - then why not. We could do the same with other sections as well, BTW. History section comes to my mind.
As a side-note, I find it quite comforting that, despite all the national conflicts in wikipedia, all the Ghirlandajos, Molobos, Zivinbudas' and other hot-minded guys, the article has retained much of my original version from 2004... Isn't it some kind of a record? Halibu tt 00:59, 18 March 2006 (UTC)
I never slandered Molobo. I agree with you that he is rather polite for the person with such extreme views. His general mission to expose the injustices that Poles suffered from Russians and Germans is an acceptable, while rather strange, agenda. His not being able to put aside his extreme views in editing and, sometimes, getting hysterical over the disagreements is extremely unproductive. I advised him several times to write rather than revert, delete and paste, and he sometimes does some writing. I think I am totally objective to Molobo and I even think that he doesn't hate me as he does many of his opponents. If Molobo reduces the edit warring and hysteria while continues to write the content (which he occasionally does, I must say), I would consider the overall impact of his presence at wiki to be positive rather than negative. However, even if we forget about the rest and see an amount of content, the comparison to Ghirla just doesn't fly.
The useful contribution of Ghirla towards the Polish articles can be seen in that thanks to his intervention these articles are sometimes corrected from the common biases in the Polish national historiography. Besides, in Polish-Russian related articles, which are up to now mostly written by the Polish contributors, he often brings additional information. The examples are abundant and there is no need even to elaborate. Besides he often brings the perspective from the non-Polish viewpoint and these articles eventually end up more balanced. If you say that Ghirla is sometimes rude and being rude is wrong, I would agree with you. However, as far as the compromise over the content goes, I have seen Ghirla agreeing to compromise and I have never ever seen that from Halibutt, at least not voluntarily. Still, I also consider Halibutt an excellent contributor despite several problems as I wrote at my comment at his RfA (which I supported nevertheless). -- Irpen 02:53, 20 March 2006 (UTC)
This above suggestion by Halibutt is not a compromise in any way. This is not about his vs mine edits. This is an attempt to mediate in connection with the Molobo's edits wich, as usually, were rather extreme. -- Irpen 07:57, 22 March 2006 (UTC)
Users Halibutt and Irpen should rejoice at this splendid news. In order to have an informative analysis of Soviet policies in occupied Poland during 1939-1941 I acquired a throughout scholary work on this issue, mainly Educational policy in occupied eastern areas of the Second Polish Republic in 1939-1941 by doctor Elżbieta Trela-Mazur(here are her qualifications [34] and the publication Forms of constraint applied by the Soviet authorities in relation to the people of Wilejka region by renoknown scholar of Slavic studies in Wrocław Professor Franciszek Sielicki.
Both publications present an excellent analysis of Soviet occupation and are full of various interesting data. -- Molobo 22:56, 20 March 2006 (UTC)
I simply have a computer that logs off sometimes during my edits. I don't know why. Also I clicked on new password. So I will have to wait before I can log again. Never hid that the IP is mine. --Molobo
The solution is simple: let's talk. It always worked in the past, didn't it?-- Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus Talk 03:23, 23 March 2006 (UTC)
Don't worry, Irpen. I never saw you add sources to articles or take part in a discussion on sources after people get seriously involved in it. So no, I am not stalking you. Mostly because I don't believe you'd ever source any article. Of course, it would be really lovely if you either took your blatant POV pushing campaign elsewhere - or at least try to support it with sources at the relevant talk pages, but apparently that's not going to happen and I'm fine with that.
I noticed some time ago that this is your normal modus operandi and there's no way anyone could change that. First your pal Ghirlandajo comes up to some article, adds as much Soviet/Great Russian prop to it as he can. When people revert his inventions, often based on sources as credible as Great Soviet Encyclopedia or katyn.ru, and that's when you come and cry murder. When people finally manage to stop the revert war and gather at the talk page to settle the issues you two raise, at first all is ok. But when the discussion is going in the right direction, that is people gather enough sources to prove that most of your (plural) POV is completely absurd, you all of a sudden loose interest in the discussion, abandon it and move on to some other article. That was the case of numerous articles so far, where you managed to repeat your stance over and over again, yet failed to convince anyone with sources and then, after seeing that your POV will simply not hold, moved along. Katyn, history of Belarus, Polish-Lithuanian-Muscovite union, Polish-Bolshevik War, Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth, History of Poland, Międzymorze, Polish contribution to WWII, Wołodarka... Of course, I appreciate that you're the reasonable guy to help stopping the revert wars. However, loosing my time and nerves to find solutions to your problems is a simple loss of time apparently. Piotrus believes it's beneficial to the project in the long run, I'm not so sure about it.
As I said, I consider such "retaliation" childish and below my dignity, so I won't adopt your stance, although I admit I find it tempting. I could take some article quite notable for the Russian community here in wikipedia, add as much Polish POV to it (I mean Molobo-style, of course), start a revert war, then force the people to loose their time and nerves to try to convince me that what I wrote was a complete rubbish (eventhough I'd perfectly know that by myself) and even add some pictures. You know, some Russian people greeting the Nazi forces liberating them from the Soviets, some statements about the Polonophobe traditions of the Moscow University, some books to argue that the Russian Civil War was not a Red's victory... And then I'd quit the discussion. However, I doubt it would be as funny to me as it is to you. Over and out. // Halibu tt 10:35, 25 March 2006 (UTC)
I have found an analysis of this formation by IPN. Lots of interesting facts. I shall add them soon. -- Molobo 23:56, 23 March 2006 (UTC)
Mikka clearly said about the slogan. [35] -- Molobo 01:43, 28 March 2006 (UTC)
TOC?-- Molobo 06:02, 28 March 2006 (UTC)
regarding the names of tsarinas of Russia: if from abroad, they changed their first name, such as Wilhelmina became Natalia Alexeievna, etc. Now, Wikipedia has certain rules that the so-called consort name is not to be used, because of several persons being e.g Empress Maria Fedorovna. And that a pre-marital name should be used. But I feel that it is acceptable to make a formulation "Natalia Alexeievna of Darmstadt" (the "of Darmstadt" being for disambiguation purposes) instead of using "Wilhelmina of Darmstadt". Now, as there are plenty of Germanist and anglicist opinions, I would like to know some of international opinion as well as of Russian opinion. In other words, I am asking you to think whether from the perspective a Russian, (1) would it be acceptable to say "Natalia Alexeievna of Darmstadt" and (2) would that be better or worse than "Wilhelmina of Darmstadt". 62.78.105.68 08:50, 21 July 2005 (UTC)
I tried to find article about Alexandra Fyodorovna of Hesse (wife of Nicholas II, not of Nicholas I) in the Russian wikipedia, but I did not find such article. Could you check whether any such exists? If yes or no, it would anyway be nice to have the English article to have interwiki link to her Russian aricle (please create such article if it does not yet exist in russian wp). 217.140.193.123 19:58, 23 July 2005 (UTC)
Please kindly check Alexandra Romanova - welcome to comment. 217.140.193.123 00:36, 31 July 2005 (UTC)
Maybe it'll be easier to explain in personal talk page ? You're saying that the "PoP" name is common in English usage only in the context of history of Poland. What is the other possible context. The article describes an event from the history of Poland exactly, so what's your point ? What would be the most used name for this from "wider European perspective" then ? -- Lysy ( talk) 20:43, 15 December 2005 (UTC)
Correct me if I'm wrong, but it seems that:
Does it not seem to you like double standards, especially that the Stalinist repressions agains Ukraine are very closely tied together, and only the broader context allows to explain the purpose of the artificial famine. Why do you think that hiding this (documented) information would be useful ? -- Lysy ( talk) 18:02, 18 December 2005 (UTC)
Hi there. Why have you reopened the vote to rename after it's been closed by an admin ? -- Lysy ( talk) 22:04, 3 January 2006 (UTC)
No, I explained clearly that whoever closed the vote violated the policy which doesn't call for premature closure for the lack of consensus. It only calls for premature closure to implement the move if consensus is easy to determine early enough. Please continue this at the article's talk. --
Irpen 22:13, 3 January 2006 (UTC)
P.S. I am surprized by your accusation but I guess I have to take it though I thought you knew me better by now. --
Irpen 22:13, 3 January 2006 (UTC)
Have you seen these edits: [36], [37], [38] ? Wonder why he did not care to post a similar message in the Polish message board ? Sigh. -- Lysy ( talk) 22:29, 4 January 2006 (UTC)
I don't think I posted it anywhere. Have you seen me recruiting on Polish message board ? Still, Partitions of Poland are relevant to Poland, don't you think ? How is the Koniuchy massacre relevant to Ukraine, Belarus or Russia ? And who is a nationalist here ? I wonder why are you still defending this attitude. -- Lysy ( talk) 22:57, 4 January 2006 (UTC)
Many thanks, Irpen. I am not sure I desreve all this. Thanks abakharev 06:53, 7 January 2006 (UTC)
The article was interesting to say the least. And easy enough to read and understand without needing a dictionary or help from some translation program. Thank you. The Marshal and Colonel were amateurs next to their mentor, Pilsudski. If I'm not mistaken, I believe Beck was actually Hitler's guest at Berchtesgaden for New Years, 1939. The facts concerning their blunders need to be brought forth accurately and without bias. That it will be vociferously challenged, is to be expected. One should be prepared. It seems this group of editors enjoys entrapping people into reverting wars, and they then try to have them blocked, or removed from participation in the Wikipedia project. Hopefully, the powers that be, will begin to see what's going on here. Dr. Dan 06:22, 13 February 2006 (UTC)
Irpen, why can't you stay on topic? As to your latest comment, either point me to a text where you see my applause or strike the comment. You don't value me highly, but you don't have to resort to slander, do you. Halibu tt 21:34, 2 March 2006 (UTC)
Please do not mix apples with oranges. Jimbo and Ghirla have nothing to do with this. The discussion was between you, Piotrus, Molobo and myself. And when Molobo started his habitual trolling there was a dead silence from both of you and my desperate attempts to undo his damage. This stuff is still in the article, he periodically restored megabytes of outside material at the talk page, making it unreadable and I can't simply succeed if I oppose such a dedicated and fervent troll just on my own. Instead of doing something to help restore the working climate in the article, you went into unrelated jokes about clocks and watches which is not only off-topic but also insensitive, as I explained at the article's talk. -- Irpen 19:58, 3 March 2006 (UTC)
I said I won't use your talk page any more but apparently I was wrong. After you recently accused me of being a troll and told me to read one of the definitions of who a troll is, I'd like to point you to some of the definition you perfectly seem to fit. For instance WP:TROLL#Edit_warring, WP:TROLL#Misuse of process might come in handy. Are you satisfied now? Halibu tt 15:39, 6 March 2006 (UTC)
Just wanted to drop a quick note — nothing fancy! — to say thanks for your vote of confidence in my recent request for adminship. As you might have noticed it was unsuccessful; most objections related to my lack of experience. While I disagree that nearly 4000 edits, whether spread over two months or ten, constitutes a lack of experience, I respect the vote and will try again at a later date. I'm disappointed that I won't be able to help out in the meantime as much as I could with admin access, but again I appreciate your support and hope I'll have it the next time I am nominated. ⇒ BRossow T/ C 18:50, 6 March 2006 (UTC)
I suggest we revote on the name В Харькове русскому языку придан статус официального-- Kuban Cossack 02:59, 7 March 2006 (UTC)
Kazak, it's all very simple. We follow the prevailing modern usage in English language media. Once the major papers search shows the prevailance of Kharkiv, the decision of this or that organization won't affect the article's name. -- Irpen 23:37, 8 April 2006 (UTC)
Yes, we are ignoring what the Ukrainian state or state-own organizations use for whatever because they have zero jurisdiction over English. The only thing that matters is the prevailing modern usage. The best indication of the latter in the major English language media and other language encyclopedia. While LexisNexis major papers search shows an overwhelming advantage of Khrarkiv AND Britannica uses Kharkiv as well, the answer is clear. The article titles should not be changed with each new momental event. Wikipedia articles titles reflect the long term trends, avaraged over time. So far, it is Kharkiv. I will do a LexisNexis major paper search one of these days and update you with the results since you seem interested. Stay around! -- Irpen 01:40, 10 April 2006 (UTC)
Irpen, so kind and so nice of you! (Портрет мне, конечно, льстит :) Wishing all the best and all the success - Vera - Introvert ~? 19:36, 11 March 2006 (UTC)
Any ideas who are the other generals on the Image:Polish Mil Victory Parade 1945.jpg photo?-- Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus Talk 23:16, 13 March 2006 (UTC)
Another Tribuna article Irpen ? :) Anyway something for Piotrus:.. [removed incomprehensible by Irpen]... You see now why I have objections towards photo of those being presented as representative picture of Polish contribution in WW2 ? -- Molobo 02:34, 14 March 2006 (UTC)
Your tactic to delete other users comments is most offensive. -- Molobo 22:02, 14 March 2006 (UTC)
Molobo, please praise the achievements of Polish culture in the Polish culture article. This has nothing to do with Kievan Rus and its talk.
-- Molobo 20:05, 15 March 2006 (UTC)
-- Molobo 22:28, 15 March 2006 (UTC)
When Piotrus set up a sect fact tag to point out to the disputed section it was removed. Will you agree to setting up it again over the disputed section of the article. -- Molobo 20:23, 15 March 2006 (UTC)
Refs were added only to population numbers which we were hardly disputing. -- Molobo 20:32, 15 March 2006 (UTC) Also-are you going adress Ghirandajo over his bringing of Polish culture subject since you mistakenly believed it was my while it was him ? -- Molobo 20:23, 15 March 2006 (UTC)
Here is where Ghirandajo started to bring Poland as subject [ [43]] -- Molobo 20:29, 15 March 2006 (UTC)
Would you agree then to more general Sect Fact template over the disputed section rather then citatitons required tags ? -- Molobo 20:41, 15 March 2006 (UTC)
Thanks for the book. It was a long time since I had seen such amount of hatred for Poland combined with antipolish propaganda. I will add information from it to polonophobia article. Especially comic was the schocked statement that Poles didn't want to live under the benevolennt scepter of Russian emperor. I guess it was a Jesuit intrigue :D -- Molobo 04:57, 29 March 2006 (UTC)
Irpen, can we please make that article as balanced as possible? Molobo did not contribute to ths article, and trying to justify bad practices by what he does is completely out of order. Furthermore, it borders on WP:Point.
BTW, please archive more of your talk. The page is so long that editing it is very slow, on my computer at least. Balcer 19:31, 3 April 2006 (UTC)
Please stop removing the source tag from the image Image:Rycina 1752 Palac Branickich.jpg and making remarks about "copyright paranoia". All images need to have a source, this one has no source and not even who the artist is. If a source is provided, then all is fine, until then this image will be tagged. Gryffindor 21:10, 6 April 2006 (UTC)
If you can't figure it that the image's old, I can't help. 3RR rule applies to everyone, yourself included. WP:IAR is a very important reminder and it is written exactly for cases like this. Pls no wikilawyering and use some common sense. If you have time on your hands, please help add content to WP rather than remove it. Removal has to be justified by some real danger. This vintage image doesn't pose any of it. I suggest you leave it alone. See m:Copyright paranoia. -- Irpen 21:27, 6 April 2006 (UTC)
Irpen, count me in for 3RR matters involving commons sense and paintings. I tried looking for the soure of this painting and couldn't find it - but we can as well assume it was a photo made by Witkacy or something. It is old and pd-art obviously applies.-- Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus Talk 01:24, 7 April 2006 (UTC)
Thanks! Yes indeed. Even the orchestra is beautiful! - Irpen 07:13, 1 April 2006 (UTC)
Because they were trhown off and never returned. And you of course hint to your ill-fated Volodarka crusade. There is a difference. In Volodarka, Soviets failed to break Polish defences but:
By your logic, all defences consist of defenders victories (how many, I wonder. As many as there are hours, minutes, or seconds?) How many Russian victories was there at Siege of Smolensk (1609-11) that Poles eventually captured?
I explained that to you earlier. Please stop pestering and please use descriptive section titles. How meaningful is LOL in TOC? -- Irpen 13:39, 7 April 2006 (UTC)
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Благодарю за приглашение. Мне померещилось или право русская община на Вики захилела(кажется англоязычных статей о России и СССР порядком больше чем русских)? Crocodilicus 10:22, 9 April 2006 (UTC)
Before we start another revert war on List of invasions, please read carefully what our Invasion article says:
An invasion is a military action consisting of armed forces of one geopolitical entity entering territory controlled by another such entity, generally with the objective of conquering territory or altering the established government. An invasion can be the cause of a war, it can be used as a part of a larger strategy to end a war, or it can constitute an entire war in and of itself.
Balcer 15:15, 13 April 2006 (UTC)
The Vorkuta article has been locked from editing. Discution continues at Talk:Vorkuta. -- Petri Krohn 15:31, 13 April 2006 (UTC)
A friendly note: use Talk:Polish September Campaign page for discussion on Polish September Campaign. For discussions related to User:Halibutt use User talk:Halibutt. As simple as that. It keeps the talk pages clean from spam. // Halibu tt 20:05, 13 April 2006 (UTC)
Well, it's one of those neverending low intensity conflicts that have been going on for centuries in various parts of Europe. To quote Ogden Nash:
And so it goes for ages and eons Between these neighboring Europeans, I hope that such perpetual motion Stays where it started, across the ocean. :-)
Ahasuerus 20:13, 13 April 2006 (UTC)
The version at Commons has no source information either. I came here from there. Jkelly 19:42, 14 April 2006 (UTC)
I blanked the exchange that has no info and no value and I responded in the edit summary. I keep any criticism in my talk and in archives and you can check it. I don't need to keep the exchanges that are pointless. But since you are willing to make a ethics issue out of this, I will sure keep it from now on, don't worry.
The m:Copyright paranoia is very tiresome. This image is clearly an OK one. Old enough so that there is no threat of the infringement lawsuite against Wiki foundation. Too bad that some overzealous users turn themsleves into a self-appointed Copyright police and aggressively tag clearly harmless and non-threatening images endangering the WP content and adding work to people who would like to write some content during the time the real life leaves them for Wikipedia. Besides, this image is plastered all over internet and you can't really claim that every and each site it is posted owns its copyright. If you really have so much time on yout hands, please spend it on looking for sources of really problematic images. Not the images like this one. Or spend time yourself on finding a source of this image and a copyright excuse that would satisfy you. That would be much more productive for the community than your actions that cause a content removal and/or extra work for the others. -- Irpen 19:46, 15 April 2006 (UTC)
Hi Irpen,
Can you please help me out with Chisinau ( talk · contribs)? (aka you-know-who) So far, he's reverted the following pages:
Please contact other people if you feel that it's necessary, thank you. — Khoikhoi 19:58, 15 April 2006 (UTC)
The "dubious" tag is exactly what is needed, thanks. As this quote is given pride of place in the article, we really ought to have certainty that it has been translated correctly. Furthermore, the very placement of the quote is highly unusual, and almost certainly violates Wikipedia's manual of style. But then again, that is to be expected in an article that is a monument to POV. Balcer 01:36, 16 April 2006 (UTC)
Balcer, dubious info I tagged in Polish article is still there some after months and I haven't deleted it yet. Please give at least some reasonable time. Only info that not only unrefed but incredulous should be deleted. This is not the case. -- Irpen 16:23, 16 April 2006 (UTC)
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It was a clear massacre by any definition: shooting of a crowd, just like Bloody Sunday `' mikka (t) 19:14, 18 April 2006 (UTC)
In response to this, I was just trying to work out a compromise so Constantzeanu wouldn't revert again. I did it based on mikka's edit here. — Khoikhoi 01:56, 19 April 2006 (UTC)
Since we are trying to neutralize controversial articles, I would like to point out the Khatyn massacre article, and in particular your recent . Why do you think it warranted to remove any mention of the fact that some people believe the close resemblance of Khatyn and Katyn names is not a coincidence, but that in fact Khatyn was chosen on purpose out of hundreds of massacred Belarusian villages, to score a propaganda point? You don't even want to allow that this was a possibility. Do you really think the resemblance is pure, innocent coincidence?
Anyway, even if you disagree with this, the whole idea of NPOV is that all valid points of view are discussed. So, could we at least work into the article the statements along the lines: "some people believe the choice of Khatyn as the main war memorial in Belarus had political motives, while others believe it was just a coincidence".
Incidentally, now that Ghirlandajo has moved Khatyn to Khatyn Massacre, I am assuming you will no longer complain about the use of the word massacre in article titles. Unless of course you don't support Ghirlandajo's move, in which case I invite you to move the article back. Balcer 04:59, 19 April 2006 (UTC)
Balcer, my view is that Massacres and Genocides in titles should be used only when there are no good alternative titles. Here, since the places are mostly known by these events, the solution to use just placenames exists. The message on whether something was indeed a massacre or a genocide can be conveyed to the reader from the article itself. There is no need to send this message from a title. Besides, for almost every massacre and genocide there is a POV that this wasn't one. Such debate need to be presented in the article text and, the title should not prejudge such discussion.
I honestly never thought about the connection between the two. I view Khatyn as well as other similar actions by Nazis as a horrific crime. Debate on the Soviets picking this one may be mentioned provided it doesn't make half-an-article which would be difficult now, while the article is small. Similar debate about whether Holodomor was a genocide is presented in the Holodomor article along even with the lunatic view that Holodomor never happened or was caused by natural reasons. However, the Holodomor article is sufficiently detailed on the events to accord some space to such discussion and such discussion don't obscure the info about the Holodomor itslef. In Khatyn we may get the article about the massacre almost entirely devoted to the speculations about its role in the Soviet propaganda. -- Irpen 05:47, 19 April 2006 (UTC)
This is your Very Sterm Warning re WP:3RR at Uprising of Khotin. Please don't do it, no matter how correct you are. And I suppose a reminder about no-ownership-of-articles, too. But since I've protected the article you escape a block William M. Connolley 18:55, 20 April 2006 (UTC)
William, I have not even 3 but only two reverts. I only reverted two times within 24 hours and even those where to remove the trollish unexplained tag. No matter how right I felt I would have never violated the 3RR. If dealing with good faith users, I try to avoid reverting at all as much as possible. Blocking a user or even leaving an warning message with an accusatory edit summary at someone's talk should not be taken lightly without studying the matter. I provided a detailed analysis here. I hope now, once we are clear about the facts, we can move on to creating content. Please be careful about strangely placed compliants with ommitted time stamps and placed clearly by someone's socks. -- Irpen 00:29, 21 April 2006 (UTC)
William, I had not 4 and not 3 but only 2 reverts according even to the strictest rules. I analyzed this in every detail here. The whole matter is now well behind and the issue is moot anyway, since 1) there was never 4 edits, let alone reverts, within 24 hours; 2) Even though 2 per day is better to avoid, I was clearly dealing with a bad faith editor who refused to talk; 3) My opponent was obviously a sock on a mission to provoke me into 3RR which he failed anyway. The bottomline is in the end of my message at the 3RR board. -- Irpen 23:53, 21 April 2006 (UTC)
FYI: Predictions of Soviet collapse. Travb 07:53, 21 April 2006 (UTC)
Maybe of interest to you ... there is a discussion on Wikipedia:Stub_types_for_deletion (scroll down to April 20, Transnistria) about the Transnistria-stub and I am the only one who is participacing who has even the slightest knowledge of the region. You may want to chip in with your own view of the situation. So far, I am the only outsider who is replying to the "Stub Gods". - Mauco 12:46, 24 April 2006 (UTC)
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Sorry that I have neglected to respond further to Piotrus' request for mediation, back at the end of March. I've been drawn away from Wikipedia by other responsibilities and don't expect to spend much time back here for a while yet. Apologies and best regards, — Michael Z. 2006-05-03 15:20 Z
Thanks so much for the recognition. I appreciate it very much, and it means a little more comming from you, since you are an editor whose work I admire. I hope I can live up to the high standards of WP in the future, and I hope we can work together on more Ukraine-related tpoics. Thanks again. Kevlar67 23:36, 9 May 2006 (UTC)
Sorry, I had no intention to contribute to the article on Kostomarov. I merely pointed to the fact that the guy represented quite a one-sided view on history and that much of what he wrote (and of what you quoted as a source) is factually inaccurate. So far I didn't have time to finish the chapter. It is fascinating as a monument to Russian vision of history, but I simply left for the weekend (a German wikipedians' meeting on Usedom island) and did not return until 4am today.
As to EB being a decent source - I admit I have (rather bad) experience only with EB1911, which is not a best source for the history of Central Europe as it is known to reflect only the Russian 19th-centurish view and for a complete disregard on other views. I hope modern EB is better than its predecessor. Anyway, I always prefer to discuss original sources rather than other encyclopedias, as it is easier to check the sources the author used - and the author himself. Cheers! Halibu tt 00:47, August 30, 2005 (UTC)
The source that is available online says clearly that it was a Polish victory. So, in fact it's not that it's my conclusion, it's Fudakowski's conclusion. Halibu tt 04:06, 8 October 2005 (UTC)
Also, from now on I'm stopping to watch your talk page. As a sign of courtesy you could reply at my talk page. Halibu tt 21:43, 9 October 2005 (UTC)
Check again WP:Civil. An academic source does not call it a victory. The one that does is, as I explained, not credible in this respect for two reasons. If you cite that Davies also agrees that it is a defeat, I will accept it. -- Irpen 21:49, 9 October 2005 (UTC)
Very well, could you ask Piotrus to check then? As I said, I will accept the Davies' version. I thought you said you don't have Davies in English but have him in Polish. So, I assumed you cold check that. -- Irpen 22:09, 9 October 2005 (UTC)
Hi there, Irpen! First of all, thank you for your kind words on my "Siege of..." articles. I hope they won't be badly butchered by our Polish wikipedians :). As for the voting, I really feel that some admin or sysop (whatever they're called) should intervene and sort out this mess with sock puppets and one-time visitors. Otherwise, this voting doesn't make any sense and will have to be moved to arbitration committee or something. Btw, was this AndriyK blocked? Do you know? Take care and I'll see you in the Russian Portal, as always. KNewman 18:08, 2 November 2005 (UTC)
I am prepared to go for ArbCom on the issue as way as in general against the user who made all this trouble. This is, however, rather time consuming. OTOH, recruiting voters at forums popular among the Russian chauvinists may result in future debates that would be even more time consuming. Personally, I prefer the ArbCom as I explained earleir. -- Irpen 07:02, 3 November 2005 (UTC)
If I should revert this or not. Ghirlandajo comment, unsuprisingly, is not helpful. What do you think? In other news, I have been thinking about making our EENoticeboard more active. One thing that would be useful would be a listing of pages with disputes involving our editors (like currently Międzymorze, and maybe others I might be interested in but am not aware of). We can also have a list of past discussions with a summary of a compromise reached (like on Domeyko and Polish-Soviet War). -- Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus Talk 02:09, 5 November 2005 (UTC)
Map was done by Halibutt, and it is still beta. Feel free to nag him to do a new, better version :) I just got tired of waiting :) -- Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus Talk 14:41, 6 November 2005 (UTC)
Why I insist on stricter naming rules. This is specifically important from Polish perspective. As you know, territory of Poland was shifted a lot after WW2. Now, having the naming rules defined will not allow the Polish more nationalistic editors for the schizophrenic behaviour they are exercising now, where they would like to see more historical names in the East, while at the same time insisting on the modern Polish names in the west of the country. Generally, most of the towns in northern and western Poland has their German names, while also most of the countries in Lithuania, Belarus and Ukraine have Polish names. That is why I'm against "leaving it up to the authors". I think it should be set either one or another way. -- Lysy ( talk) 00:47, 6 November 2005 (UTC)
Please have a look at Wikipedia:Civility#Examples.
As I pointed you out many times, the city name Chernihiv is applied by creadible English-language sources to all periods of history: [46], [47], [48], [49], [50] [51], [52].
Why do you misinform other users telling that it's "anachronism". Don't you have a better argument except lies?-- AndriyK 16:30, 7 November 2005 (UTC)
You lie again! You did not show me that "Chernigov is preferred in historic context". You've cited something using both"Chernigov" and "Chernihiv" without any reference to the source.
Even if other sources use "Chernigov", this is not a reason to to call "Chernihiv" "anachronism". Or you pretend to be more competent in modern English than the authors and editorial board members of the sources I cited above?-- AndriyK 16:47, 7 November 2005 (UTC)
AndriyK, voting at talk:Oleg of Chernihiv have shown that Wikipedians somehow see this an anachronism and most of those who think optherwise are recruited by you absentee voters with no clue of the issue, just like those recruited by Yanuk and his fellow criminals in former zlochynna vlada. As for the real academic specialists, read my response to you at Wikipedia_talk:Naming_conventions/Geographic_names#Text_of_the_Article as well as what almost every Wikipedian who established himslef my his contributions have been telling you. And please discuss things at the relevant talk pages, so that more editors can see you.
By your "you lies!" BS you are just making a fool of yourself. Better yet, do it at more public discussion pages than at my talk. OTOH, I do not object to your using my talk for showing off and I did not delete any of your comments so far from it. -- Irpen 17:21, 7 November 2005 (UTC)
I copied your answer because the discussion is not about the naming convention but rather about your dispute style and your ignoring of facts.-- AndriyK 18:29, 7 November 2005 (UTC)
AndriyK, too bad that when you decided to join the discussion, your input is mainly a twist and a personal attack.
As for the links you posted, several are just WP mirrors that prove nothing. Link to Encartha is a dead link and I can't check it. PDF file from fco.gov.uk indeed uses Chernihiv for historic times, but it is hardly an academic publication and more like a CIA fact book (still notable but would be more important if it was a book by a historian). Your link to Britannica disproves your point more than it proves it. Yes, EB uses Chernihiv in Chernihiv article but, as I have shown at Talk:Chernihiv#Britannica.27s_use_in_historical_context, EB uses Chernigov in the articles of every historical person (and there are several articles like that).
The whole point about the text usage, is not about manipulating, but about writing articles. I wrote the Chernihiv article and you came in and the only thing you did was name manipulation. That's why a proposed an additional ethics rule at EE portal but too bad you don't support that because otherwise you would have to write things in order to see your favorite names, much harder than edit warring. You started to write an article about the principality and you started to use Chernihiv there. Too bad you abandoned that. The flexible rule might have allowed you to keep it but I guess writing articles is just too hard and not very interesting. -- Irpen 01:36, 7 November 2005 (UTC)
I did not say that Encarta's is invalid, I said that I cannot comment until I read it. The link you posted was not to an abstract which can be expaned upon supscription but to an error message. Maybe it is an Encarta's bug. I will check the new links you posted and will comment on them at Talk:Chernihiv. I don't know what you mean by learning of the past usage at Wikipedia from mirrors. All histories in WP are available as only the stuff like copyvios (like what you or your buddy used to add), threatening texts and other similarly inappropriate stuff are deleted from history too. Chernihiv article was written by me from scratch as you can check here and later expanded by other editors. You don't need to go to mirrors to find this out, check the histories. I have elaborated on Britannica's usage at Talk:Chernihiv#Britannica.27s_use_in_historical_context. I have elaborated on the Church debates at the appropriate talk pages too. Take the discussion there, so that others can see it if you have anything more to say.
You are wasting yours and my time by limiting this just to me and by trying to make your position more convinsing through a name calling or resorting to the Party of Regions tactics of recruiting absentee voters and/or revert warriors that would, like this user wrote "shoot under your command" (I hope they didn't use sockpuppets for that, I will try my best to have this whole matter indestigated). Your time will be used more effectively if you debate this at article's talk and see whether it is just me, or others too find your arguments unconvinsing. -- Irpen 19:00, 7 November 2005 (UTC)
Please think once more. Is it nice to have one spelling in the title and another one is the article?-- AndriyK 20:21, 9 November 2005 (UTC)
If you doubt the validity of the vote, please provide the reference to WP Policies confirming your assertions. In any case, the present title of the article is Oleg of Chernihiv. Is it nice to use another spelling in the text?-- AndriyK 09:52, 10 November 2005 (UTC)
So, I was right about the ensuing battle for Holodomor, wasn't I? Sashazlv 06:07, 19 November 2005 (UTC)
thanks for pointing out what's going on there. I may need support, though. Dietwald 20:51, 19 November 2005 (UTC)
Not long ago you did not believe that creation of the "Polish Imperialism" redirect was a purposeful provocation by Ghirlandajo. I'm curious to see your opinion now, after a new redirect of his: Polish invasion of Russia. -- Lysy ( talk) 10:21, 20 November 2005 (UTC)
Personally, I disagree with this redirect and I would be willing to mediate but it isn't very likely that all sides accept me as a mediator. Personally, I think that the "Polish Invasion of Russia" should be used for a different war, that it the Polish-Muscovite War (1605-1618). Reasons I outlined at that article's talk as well as the other alternative name (Russo-Polish War). -- Irpen 23:44, 20 November 2005 (UTC)
Hi Irpen, please see my message Edit wars on the Talk:Oleg of Chernihiv page.
I don't agree on A-M, N-Z bs. I agree to discuss the naming convention and I am discussing it already. However, all versions there, so far, include historical usage, where appropriate. I am prepared to go to arbitration regarding your frivolous bad-faith page moving, redirect creation, vote fraud, copyright violations, disruptive behavior and personal attacks (including off-site forums). -- Irpen 15:46, 22 November 2005 (UTC)
I prefer to deal with your behavior in the way prescribed by the policies. I described your offences above. I haven't seen any change and/or appology. I agree on specific resolutions topic by topic, like St V's. As for your general pattern, you simply can't do this and come back and say "let's negotiate". Neither you would undo your frivolous moves/redirects, nor you would admit to vote fraud and appologize, nor would you appologize for the personal attacks. At least not yet. -- Irpen 15:59, 22 November 2005 (UTC)
I will provide the evidence of this as well as of other policy and ethics violations by you soon, don't worry. And I don't mean just the two moves where you engaged into vote fraud. Others are made in a simial bad faith. As for "slandering", that's really funny to hear that from you. -- Irpen 16:13, 22 November 2005 (UTC)
No, I'm not troubled about it being mentioned as long as you think this is credible. I'm only interested to learn more and would be happy to see some sources supporting it, other than magazine articles. I don't have any sources that would be useful WRT whether there was siginficant plundering or not. What is plundering anyway ? Civilians killed or raped ? Villages burnt ? I hope Poles did not do it, especially that Piłsudski apparently respected Ukrainians, but it would be good to know. You said you'll try to research this when you have time and that's fine with me. Thanks. -- Lysy ( talk) 21:30, 27 November 2005 (UTC)
Thanks Irpen. І Вас з Новим Роком! Веселих Свят! Ukrained 00:19, 1 January 2006 (UTC)
Thanks a lot! Happy New Year! C Новым Годом! З Новим Роком! abakharev 00:28, 1 January 2006 (UTC)
Hey Irpen. I'm adding my thanks and best wishes also. May 2006 be a good year for you and your close ones ;) mno 01:21, 1 January 2006 (UTC)
З новим роком. Thanks for adding an entry on my talk page ^^ - Iopq 06:21, 1 January 2006 (UTC)
Thanks. Good to see you around too! Happy New Year! 172 07:44, 1 January 2006 (UTC)
Спасибо, Ирпенюшка! Тебя также с праздниками! А газ им всё-таки отключили... KNewman 08:33, 1 January 2006 (UTC)
very thoughtful of you:) Best wishes Dietwald 19:02, 1 January 2006 (UTC)
Thanks Irpen. Щасливого нового pокy!-- SylwiaS | talk 19:24, 1 January 2006 (UTC)
Best regards and thanks for the congratulation. I just want to let you know that after reading the replies on Zach's discussion page, I have decided to suspend my participation until the issue with advertisements gets clarified. My impression is that they (administrators) discussed it amongst themselves and agreed it would be "a lesser evil" to keep things going. As soon as the first ad is posted, I will quit permanently. I feel I was cheated out. Sashazlv 20:07, 1 January 2006 (UTC)
Thanks. Happy New Year to you, too ! -- Lysy ( talk) 20:15, 1 January 2006 (UTC)
Спасибо за поздравление! И тебя тоже с праздником!-- Pecher 19:02, 2 January 2006 (UTC)
Perhaps you need to make sure that you compare the original with the current text in Ukrainian language prior to posting and reposting ridiculous warnings. There is no even remote semblance of copyright violation. Just imagination.-- Andrew Alexander 08:24, 29 January 2006 (UTC)
What I would like to do first of all, is to restore much of the removed information from the article deleted by your now blocked friend as well as by yourself. I made a committment to myself to get back to this article once the arbitration is over. If my expansion of the article will prompt a discussion and in the end it would be decided to restore the phrases you "borrowed" from wumag, we will discuss their modifications. I will need a little time to go over several months of edits to not forget good faith changes of so many users to be included. -- Irpen 08:49, 29 January 2006 (UTC)
Hi Irpen,
Thank you for your support with Novostroika. I admit there's a lot of issues with the article, and my comments on the request to delete page was that they're free to do as they wish. I am generally disappointed with the state of wikipedia, where if information is not necessarily relevat it is deleted rather than changed/moved. Best, mno 20:43, 1 March 2006 (UTC)
I like help out where I can. You've done some good work here. Tufkaa 04:55, 3 March 2006 (UTC)
Take a look there should be expanded, but some heavy POV-pushing is going on. (I started to neturalise it) -- Kuban Cossack 22:40, 14 March 2006 (UTC)
I really want to thank you for going over the article and pointing out where online citations are needed. On this subject, could you provide a link for your (I think) ref #7 (Britannica, Union of Lublin - middle of the 2nd lead para)? Btw, you've called my request for citation for Kiev Rus 'pestering' yet you have asked for same data in the PLC article. As I have provided that date for PLC article, can I assume you'll go back and add the relevant citation to the KR article? :) -- Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus Talk 17:31, 19 March 2006 (UTC)
Please read Wikipedia:Verifiability carefully. Now you have to options:
What will you choose this time?-- AndriyK 19:02, 21 March 2006 (UTC)
Would not it better to give a single reference instead of writing two long paragraphs about ethics, Common sense and bla-bla-bla? Or you do not have any reference and the "Stalinist style" of the Verkhovna Rada building is just your own fantasy?-- AndriyK 12:29, 22 March 2006 (UTC)
"Any article can be disrupted by continues pestering disguised as "calling for sources""
"Any number of fact tags may be thrown into any articles at any time."
This is exactly what your friend does
[55].--
AndriyK 16:28, 22 March 2006 (UTC)
I've just blocked Molobo and he isn't taking it well. Oddly enough. If you felt like having a word over at his talk page I'd be grateful, as you've been a moderating influence in the past, I think (I'm not very sure how the factions or whatever around this line up, so please forgive me if I'm embarassing myself here). If you have any comments on his block, I'll listen (reply here, SVP) William M. Connolley 22:22, 29 March 2006 (UTC)
As you already know, Molobo will be taking a break ( Wikipedia:Administrators'_noticeboard/Incidents#Molobo_blocked_for_disruptive_edit_warring). Hopefully this will lower the temperature in Polish-Russian and Polish-German relations on Wikipedia, so to speak.
I hope that the Alexander Nevsky Cathedral, Warsaw controversy that we had such a long argument over is now resolved. Reading back over my comments towards you I see that I have used some words that might have hurt your feelings. I should also not have claimed you acted in bad faith. It is not my place to judge the motives of another editor. For all this, I apologize. Balcer 22:31, 10 April 2006 (UTC)
Balcer, please view my answer shortly at Piotrus' talk. Thanks! -- Irpen 23:44, 10 April 2006 (UTC)
Balcer, and, yes, I was proposing the exact same solution you just said regarding the ocntroversy of "Soviet liberation". I kept saying "liberation from Nazis", not just "liberation". Just check the article's talk! Piotrus was inclined to agree. Molobo of course not. Halibutt, who lately got inclreasingly radicalized, was also staunchly opposing to any word that might have given any credit to those evil Russkie and even made a mockery out of the image (see this.) -- Irpen 02:02, 11 April 2006 (UTC)
I should say that I find your revert back into Soviet propaganda version deeply disturbing. But moving onto less personal observations:
-- Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus Talk 05:03, 16 April 2006 (UTC)
Your revert of Number 6 was done as if in haste. When I followed on Molobo's article, I almost never reverted him wholesale but tried to merge whatever I could from his edits into the following version. If you join and article, spend an adequate time there, that's all.
I still hope you will help me with the mess of massacres article titles. -- Irpen 05:11, 16 April 2006 (UTC)
Piotrus, I think the parade belongs to a narrower Battle of Brześć Litewski article. Similarly, I didn't add the Rydz' Kiev parade and vandalizing Kiev to an entire PSW article, only to an article devoted to a narrower episode of it. -- Irpen 03:23, 19 April 2006 (UTC)
My protege - Dnieper Hydroelectric Station, if we can't put it on the main, we can certainly put it on the portal where the Hero of Ukraine featured article is long in need of replacement. -- Kuban Cossack 13:54, 20 April 2006 (UTC)
==Happy Easter==
Don't know if you celebrate Orthodox Easter, or not. If you do, Happy Easter, if you do not, Greetings to you, and Best Wishes anyway! Dr. Dan 21:29, 22 April 2006 (UTC)
I think AndriyK just got himself a sock [57]. -- Kuban Cossack 16:57, 25 April 2006 (UTC)
Well, it just looks that I am so much more cruel than you are :)— Ëzhiki (ërinacëus amurënsis) • ( yo?); 17:31, 26 April 2006 (UTC)
Alex, thanks for caring for the civility at Wikipedia! I fully share your concern and appreciate you reminding me to keep my cool. Most involved with the Eastern European history article can always use such a reminder and myself included.
As far as the specific difflink is concerned, several qualifications are in order. First of all, my expressed opinion that certain users put a shame on the Ukrainian wiki-community was based entirely on those users incivility. Three users I named are notable for the fierce personal attacks on their opponents, and especially, perpetual bad faith accusations (applies to all three). Two of the three users mentioned in the difflink above while engaged into attacking the others are also guilty in using an extremely horrific language unacceptable not only in Wikipedia but even at the internet fora, where the civility rules are much more laxed. One example is just above, more can be found in checking that user's contributions and in AndriyK's arbitration case.
As such, my statement is basically that those with the filthy mouth put an entire community they claim to represent in the bad light. If you find it disputable, please let me know and we can continue this discussion.
Also, I notice your message starts with the "People complain" thingy. I checked the contributions of those three involved users and haven't seen their complaints. Moreover, no entries at WP:AN/I, no RfC's filings, actually nothing. So, I guess one of them, and I can even guess who, contacted you privately, picking up on you recent (too mild, IMO) warning to the owner of an extremely filthy mouth trying to embarrass you into getting involved and "prove your fairness and even-handiness". Caught in this embarrassing situation in a trap set by the bad-faith user, you rushed to "act", and perhaps didn't check what was going on thoroughly enough. If AndriyK, instead of contacting you, brought up his request at WP:AN/I, the issue would have been investigated and seen by anyone uninvolved as a hollow one. He might have been even warned himself for trolling. This reminds me of a similar clumsy trap [58] [59] set against you earlier by user:Ukrained. A striking similarity! Please take investigating the complaints you receive more seriously.
Finally, I would more than welcome any of the "offended" to file an RfC against me if they see my entry as a personal attack, harassment or such. That in the months of being here they found nothing to instigate any action just shows how much merit their accusations have.
More of passionate responses of those involved would not surprize me. -- Irpen 01:43, 4 May 2006 (UTC)
Dear Irpen, if you disagree that the difinition of Ukrainization in the corresponding article is an Original Research, please proviode the reference to a creadible source where this definition came from.
Removing the OR-tag does not solve the problem. If you do not agree with me that the definition should be taken from a creadible source rather than invented by a wikipedian, let's go through the dispute resolution procedure. (see WP:DR).
In any case, the tag should be there, until the dispute is resolved.-- AndriyK 08:56, 5 May 2006 (UTC)
Hello, Irpen/archived closed issues, and thank you for vote on my recent RfA! With a final vote of 62/2/4, I have now been entrusted with the mop, bucket and keys. As I acclimate myself to my new tools, feel free to let me know how you believe I might be able to use them to help the project. Thanks again! Radio Kirk talk to me 05:38, 6 May 2006 (UTC) |
-- Kuban Cossack 00:46, 9 May 2006 (UTC)
Поздравляю с великим праздником - Днём Победы! Ура!
Cossack 02:44, 9 May 2006 (UTC)
Thanks :) I am not leaving, but I don't have as much Wikitime as I used to, so I tend to pick random short articles and uplift them when I have a few minutes :) Ahasuerus 03:40, 9 May 2006 (UTC)
Hello, Irpen. I hope you approve of my latest edits at Wikipedia:Selected anniversaries/May 9 & Victory Day (Eastern Europe). Let me, or other admins like abakharev, know if there are still problems on the MainPage. Thanks. -- PFHLai 09:53, 9 May 2006 (UTC)
Discussion regarding revert has been left in the Victory Day (Eastern Europe) article discussion.
Hello! I am seeking detailed information on the history of the villages of Ясенівці and Залісся (Золочівський район, Lviv 'oblast'). They may be in English, Polish, Ukrainian or Russian. Zalissia was called Zalesie in Polish. Yasenivtsi (also spelled Yasenovtsy, Jasenivci) was spelled Jasienowce, Jasieniowce and Jasionowce in Polish. The only information I've got come from Slownik Geograficzny Krolestwa Polskiego 1880-1902 and Księga Adresowa Polski(=Poland Business Directories) of the years 1891,1926-1930 - there are some population data and some surnames. I have placed these information at uk.wikipedia.org (Залісся, Ясенівці). So far, the largest source on them is there... I would be grateful if you could help me and provide me with some additional information on the history of these villages. These may be some Ukrainian encyclopedias/glossaries/guide-books entries. Word or scanned documents. I am willing to help you in the things you are interested in... I may look up some information for you. Have a nice day! -- Riva72 21:32, 12 May 2006 (UTC)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Effects_of_World_War_II
Article now presents a picture that Germany was the main victim of WW2, nothing is mentioned about the enourmous devestation made by German armies in WW2 in terms of infrastracture, industry that needed to be rebuilded after WW2 in territories of Poland and Soviet Union, the claim of organised rapes is being repeated. The Red Army rape claims are repeated. Perhaps you know the date on destruction in SU ? -- Molobo 17:36, 13 May 2006 (UTC)
Can you add your 2 cents to the Stalin discussion page. ( Deng 21:44, 13 May 2006 (UTC))
I wonder how you would square the claims the Poles blew up Kiev's railway station in 1920 with information given here and here. My Ukrainian is not that great, so please use the information contained in these links to make appropriate changes in Kiev Offensive article. Balcer 21:51, 13 May 2006 (UTC)
Now let me ask some more questions about the Poles blowing up the Kiev electric power station. How come there is no mention of that in this timeline? How come it is not mentioned in this detailed article? Again, my Ukrainian is rudimentary, so insights would be appreciated. Balcer 23:23, 13 May 2006 (UTC)
Sorry, Balcer. Haven't got to this yet. But it's high on my list. Just give me a little time. Also, in connection to my previous message at your talk, this is another interesting reading. Is this typical attitude in Polish press, I wonder? -- Irpen
I didn't mean graphics, I meant the text. I have a translation and found the article totally disgusting and there is much other similar stuff coming from that paper. If PSW is going to the mainpage, it should get the utmost attention now. I am sorry to see such a POV article to be at the mainpage soon, but I will try to do what I can to have at least some problems addressed. -- Irpen 04:34, 15 May 2006 (UTC)
From what I see those links don't mention these events. However, the power station links don't have a word for an entire 1910-1955 period (no doubt other notable events took place at that time). The railway station links speak generally about the building of the station and not the junctions infrastructure. I don't think Poles blew up the building as I see them as no vandals. The article makes sourced claims, and goes into length explaining that claims are restricted to particular sources only. I've seen this claimed made elsewhere on the web and I can't remember sites. Will need time to dig them up if you insist on more sources. More on that paper: [60], [61] and this is just a small part (in no way I want to say this is related to K.O. but this is in regards to another dispute we had). -- Irpen 05:17, 15 May 2006 (UTC)
Balcer, we are not talking about "vandalism" here anyway. It is a POV term at any rate. What objects of the city's infrastructure were destroyed by Poles is the issue here, no more, no less. Yes, I've seen other writings about the Polish actions in Kiev on the Net in the past. That prompted me to look for a serious claims on that and that's how I found the Meltyukhov's reference. I plan on digging up other sites where I saw that (I don't now remember) as I didn't save them preferring to use a serious books rather than web-sites to support the claim. Due to your persistence, I am going to go find other refs.
Since your point here is that the claim even referenced to an otherwise acceptable source can be removable if, in view of anything else, it makes little sense, may I ask you to take a look at the statement at Halibutt's Treatment of Polish citizens by occupiers that as late as in '39 Soviets used "Dicatorship of Proletariat" slogans during the Sovietization of Western Ukraine annexed from Poland. This term seems a total anachronism for late 30s' as I explained at talk (Search for "Dictatorship" string if you can't read an entire talk page). Halibutt sources this to some book but I have a feeling that either he misquotes (non-deliberately) or the author messed up. In the meanwhile, I will check the ru- and ua-nets for more evidence on Polish behavior. -- Irpen 18:56, 15 May 2006 (UTC)
Heh, that is because of the edit conflict between you and me lol... Anyway, I reworded my statement accordingly. Cheers, -- Grafikm (AutoGRAF) 23:18, 14 May 2006 (UTC)
I recently expanded the Warsaw Uprising (1794) article, and I added two (probably polonized) names of Russian generals. I hope that you can correct them, maybe link to existing articles (for the first one I couldn't even find a first name). The first one is gen. Chruszczow whom Igelstrom sent from Warsaw to intercept Kościuszka with part of the W. garrison, the second one is Ivan Nowickij who was apparently stationed nearby or part of the garrison. If you could add names of other prominent Russian commanders that were involved in the event, it would be great: currently majority of the names are Polish. PS. Perhaps you could also add names of the Russian commanders to other battle of the K. Insurrection?-- Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus Talk 01:28, 17 May 2006 (UTC)
I have not thanked you yet for the honour you gave me. Thank you very much, I really feel very honoured and will carry your barnstar wherever I go... :-) -- Daniel Bunčić 06:15, 18 May 2006 (UTC)
Thank you for your vote on my RfA. Unfortunately there was no consensus reached at 43 support, 18 oppose and 8 neutral. I've just found out that there is a feature in "my preferences" that forces me to use edit summaries. I've now got it enabled :) Thanks again. Sukh | ਸੁਖ | Talk 15:46, 20 May 2006 (UTC)
Is there a way to block an anon vandal relatively quickly? Some guy keeps adding an offensive, unsourced photo there and I've grown tired of reverting it repeatedly (as have others). Regards, Faustian 18:06, 22 May 2006 (UTC)
Hi, I'm sorry to see that with this edit you have removed the map illustrating the war. What was the purpose of this edit ? What's happening to you ? -- Lysy talk 16:53, 25 May 2006 (UTC)
If all that interests you is my own views on these, I have no problem explaining them here. However, I would like to discuss the article-related issues such that other interested parties may take part. Please see my recent entry at talk:PSW on the infobox image. -- Irpen 18:07, 25 May 2006 (UTC)
The problem that I have is that your edits at Polish-Soviet War and Polish-Muscovite War (1605–1618) have different nature, and it's therefore difficult to discuss both at talk:PSW. I do not intend to offend you but I think your removal of the map from Polish-Muscovite War (1605–1618) is on the verge of trolling. At PSW we simply do not have a good single map to illustrate the article. -- Lysy talk 18:15, 25 May 2006 (UTC)
If this can't be called trolling, I don't know what can. I don't "accuse" Molobo of trolling as frequently as you state because he is not trolling that much. When he is trolling (like above), it's a different story. As for your accusation of WP:POINT, please elaborate if you really want to make a record. As far as I remember, I made this edit. By it not only I replaced the questionable painting by a neutral map in the infobox (note that I didn't remove the painting, but moved it to an article section) but tidied up the images layout, organizing them in columns rather than having them messing up the text making it horribly looking. The main thing of that edit, however, was not tiding up but NPOVing. In no time Lysy not only reverted me, restoring the questionable image in the infobox, but claimed in the edit summary that this was only a "layout" restoration. Now, who was acting in bad faith? I hope no one, really. -- Irpen 05:34, 27 May 2006 (UTC)
Kindly then share your knowledge in a constructive manner, telling exactly what is the solution and what are its reasons. A summary opinion does not help. Marrtel 08:37, 26 May 2006 (UTC)
This user has recently done some minor damage to the articles on my watchlist. He doesn't seem to be a vandal, rather a newcomer who doesn't know yet how to properly edit articles. Sashazlv 20:29, 26 May 2006 (UTC)
Hi - I have removed the Image:Warsaw uprising.jpg section of the PUI page since the image has been deleted. The discussion can be found here and the summary from the file deletion is:
If you feel the deletion was incorrect, please start by contacting Nv8200p directly. If there is still a disagreement, the issue can be brought up at WP:DRV. Thanks - SCEhard T 18:32, 28 May 2006 (UTC)
I am sorry but I don't understand Russian what do these words mean which you used: it meant "kill", similar to Russian "Bey polyakov" or "Bey nemtsev".? I don't know about Russian language much since we no longer are forced to learn it, but in Polish bij means to beat up somebody. Cheers. -- Molobo 19:00, 28 May 2006 (UTC)
So Molobo that would meant that learning Russian had some use...;) Since it was Irpen,perhaps he should learn Polish ;) -- Molobo 10:26, 29 May 2006 (UTC)
I know that PL bij = RU bey literally means "beat". I was talking the closest in context translation, not the literal one. "Bij Polaka" or "Bij Bolszewika" in the context of war certainly doesn't imply "beat" or "kick his ass". In the war it implies killing the enemy. Do you see this differently? -- Irpen 05:47, 31 May 2006 (UTC)
See Special:Contributions/Vlachul. — Khoikhoi 18:15, 29 May 2006 (UTC)
1. It's no secret that Ukraine's independence, in Pilsudki's view, depended on democratic principals, in contrast to the threats posed by the totalitarianism of Soviet Russia. There's nothing else to it; cold, hard facts. And if Soviet Russia cant be called totalitarian (anachronistic woes?), then what? 2. Quote has been faithfuly translated. Dont know what you mean. PS The diligent and very militant Ghirla took no delay in reverting me, so no worries. Reichenbach 08:23, 31 May 2006 (UTC)
Hey Irpen,
When you have the time, could you check out the Hutsuls article and make sure it's neutral? Thanks. — Khoikhoi 18:22, 2 June 2006 (UTC)
Sorry for bothering you, but I have a question about Russian/Ukrainain pronounciation. I have always been intrigued as to why words that have the /h/ sound in other language are often transliterated using г in Russian and pronounced likewise. Then I saw that the г letter involves the /h/ sound in native words as well, for example "ого" which would be pronounced as oho rather than ogo. I was wondering whether it is always correct to pronounce the letter г as h in Russian if you know that the word has an /h/ sound in the word's native tongue, for example Гитлер or Робин Гуд, even though conventionally the sounds are pronounced as /g/.
Then I saw that in Ukrainian the letter г actually denotes the /h/ sound whereas the letter ґ represents the /h/ sound. My question about that is in words where the letter г is used would that sound be pronounced like /h/ in the word "hello" for instance? Then for the words холод and голод the difference is only between the /h/ and /kh/ sound, right, the word голод is not pronounced using a g sound like in Russian?
Thank you, Vox Populi (TSO) 20:23, 2 June 2006 (UTC)
You're welcome and thanks for your constructive position in many contentious articles. Cheers, -- Irpen 01:35, 3 June 2006 (UTC)
Hi Irpen. That's an interesting addition to the template. A bit ironic that a template about labour is full of links to organizing ideas, and not the people themselves. :) -- Bookandcoffee 19:16, 3 June 2006 (UTC)
Keep an eye on GDP, Bonny's new sockpuppet. Also add Romania to your watchlist. Spasibo! — Khoikhoi 19:21, 3 June 2006 (UTC)
I will take care of this, don't worry. And as I always behave properly (LOL), I am not afraid of any repercussions. -- Irpen 19:28, 3 June 2006 (UTC)
Дякую! I wanted to thank you for the newcommer award you gave me. I admire your work, so it means a lot. I tried to thank you earlier and accidentally added in to your archived talk page. Thanks again, I hope to work on more projects will you in the future. Kevlar67 02:08, 4 June 2006 (UTC)
[62] What you described as "sneaky vandalism" is actually present in every history book. The city was renamed after a General who captured it in FIRST World War. -- Molobo 11:46, 6 June 2006 (UTC)
Hello Irpen! Would you mind taking a look at ru:Изображение:Teuton knights.jpg and ru:Изображение:Zamok.jpg to see if the images can be transferred to the Commons or used on the English wiki? Olessi 01:16, 7 June 2006 (UTC)
thanks for fixing this up and getting it nominatable... + + Lar: t/ c 17:54, 7 June 2006 (UTC)
Would you care to visit at Talk:Wladyslaw_II_Jagiellon_of_Poland#Survey. The simple "Jagiello" - for that there is now a formal listing going on to sign support or opposition. ObRoy 21:26, 7 June 2006 (UTC)
Hi Irpen, do you know if there exists an article about the 1864 abolition of serfdom by the czar? Appleseed ( Talk) 03:23, 8 June 2006 (UTC)
Are you thinking what I am thinking? See talk of that page. I was quite suprised when I followed the link and found... that.-- Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus Talk 02:51, 9 June 2006 (UTC)
Hi. I have proposed to move the following monarchs from their current, generally Polish-spelled names (with diacriticals) to the systematical English name, citing my general ground that English should be used, not Polish. Would you share your opinion at Talk:Bolesław I the Brave , Talk:Bolesław II the Bold, Talk:Mieszko II Lambert, Talk:Władysław III Spindleshanks, Talk:Jan I Olbracht and Talk:Kazimierz III the Great. Marrtel 19:43, 12 June 2006 (UTC)
You are correct. It is sometimes funny how one sees different things differently. You are correct that both of those events can be named invasion. I would still argue that there are important differences, and that we should aboid the use of word 'invasion' as a rule, but I will not revert this issue in Minin again.-- Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus Talk 00:59, 13 June 2006 (UTC)
Content moved to Talk:Russian architecture#Causion against removing the POV tags. for better exposure of the problem. -- Irpen 06:31, 21 June 2006 (UTC)
Can you take a look at the recent edits and see if I was out of line? Thanks!-- tufkaa 03:38, 15 June 2006 (UTC)
I was under the impression that it isn't neccessary, looking at the example of Ghirandajo [64] who moved a page without consultation. Ok thanks for the notice. -- Molobo 21:47, 16 June 2006 (UTC)
Mentioned at Social cycle theory as "an important Russian philospoher". Red link - if it rings a bell, perhaps you can redirect it or stub it? -- Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus Talk 16:25, 18 June 2006 (UTC)
Polish led is certainly more NPOV then dominated. As for democractic... you yourself note that it is word hard to define. Nonetheless I think it is important to note that it would have been a federation of independent, likely democratic countries, and not, let's say, a federation of republics or states in a single country with strong president.-- Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus Talk 20:37, 19 June 2006 (UTC)
Re: User:Travb
Thanks for the collage. You and the User:CJK have inspired me. Spaciba balshoy commrade! (Is this correct Russian?) Travb ( talk) 06:45, 21 June 2006 (UTC)
[65] and you dare to call me a troll and a vandal... // Halibu tt 07:12, 22 June 2006 (UTC)
Thank you very much! Biruitorul 11:44, 23 June 2006 (UTC)
Please vote. By the way, this talk page may get some award for being the longest user talk page in WP. You need to do something about it. Cheers, Ghirla -трёп- 13:42, 4 July 2006 (UTC)
I believe that the name is Ukrainian, not Polish. Would you correct? Xx236 10:21, 5 July 2006 (UTC)
I am surpised en wiki has no article on that, but I refuse to believe Russian wiki would also have no article to interwiki? On another note, would you happen to have a list of Russian ambassadors to PLC? I know Repnin, I found an article on pl wiki about pl:Otto Magnus von Stackelberg and on German about de:Jacob Johann Sievers. I wonder if there were other notable ambassadors? It would appear it was a pretty important posting (at least until it became obsolete :>). Last but not least: I wonder if Jan Walenty Węgierski was of Orthodox faith?-- Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus Talk 03:09, 7 July 2006 (UTC)
Thanks, Alex for being faster then me and thanks, Piotrus for the question. I think Ghirla is much more familiar with the Russian history of the time. He would be the best person to ask. To answer myself, I would need to do some reading first. -- Irpen 03:28, 7 July 2006 (UTC)
As a past participant in the discussion on how to handle the Georgia pages, I thought you might be interested to know that there's a new attempt to reach consensus on the matter being addressed at Talk:Georgia (country)#Requested_Move_-_July_2006. Please come by and share your thoughts to help form a consensus. -- Vengeful Cynic 03:40, 8 July 2006 (UTC)
Oh, a novelty, I was not reverted on sight... Anyway, the borders did not change officially until 1945. So, the section is legitimate where it is as Soviet partisans operated on Polish territory. It was not until after the war that the areas were ceded by Stalin to himself. Feel free to merge some info from the sections on Baltic States, Ukraine and Belarus to the Polish section though. // Halibu tt 18:39, 1 May 2006 (UTC)
Halibutt, please! I am trying to talk here. If you want to exchange barbs, pls go to Wilno Uprising and/or Volodarka where we seem to not have a common ground. I am always trying my best to be reasonable. I think that either the article needs restructured or your material belongs to other section. I could take time and rewrite it but I am really busy and you know your stuff better anyway. So, why not consider my suggestion to add the material to other sections yourself? Spitting is of no use for the articles. And, BTW, you know that I prefer to talk in the one place. If you transferred the discussion to my talk, fine, let's continue it here. If you prefer not to talk, than don't. But next time, I would prefer to see a response at your talk (see a message on top of my page). This is a non-controvesial request and I don't see what prevents you from doing it.
Anyway, that's secondary. Please give a thought to my suggestions on the partisans article. That fellow's approach leads to the dead-end, as of now. Your edit, OTOH, brings some referenced material. I like information and want it in WIkipedia no matter what you might be thinking. -- Irpen 18:47, 1 May 2006 (UTC)
Thank you for contributing on Alex's talk page. I gather that both you and Alex see Ghirlandajo's actions as rather harmless. It is easy to come to that conclusion if you are not on the receiving end of them. As for Ghirlandajo being a prolific editor making some very useful contributions, that might well be true, but it does not change the fact that his contributions and attitude in articles related in any way to Poland are counterproductive and divisive.
As for Ukrainization, I am afraid that I completely lack the knowledge about the issue to make any useful comments. Balcer 12:10, 6 May 2006 (UTC)
Balcer, see above. -- Irpen 18:38, 8 May 2006 (UTC)
Balcer, I don't know about my opponent, but from my end this has nothing to do with Volodarka. Moreover, following the Volodarka, I still voted support on Halibutt's RfA and spoke highly of him [66] at that time and many times after that which I think is telling. As for the new Halibutt's diatribe above, too bad he doesn't provide diffs as I don't recall ever calling him a troll or a vandal. I do consider some of his edits trollish, and I said so at times, but that's not the same thing as calling someone a troll. The latter is an editor who does nothing but trolling. Halibutt is clearly a great editor, just a short-tempered one and with strong certain views. Just for one example, see the games with the Soviet tankists in Lodz picture or an attempt to use the copyright issues to get an upper hand in a POV dispute. Still times after that we discussed things normally even after Halibutt started to "use popups" to revert me even after I requested clearly not to do it. I would rather not continue this discussion. When (not if) new issues arize, I hope they will be resolved on their own merin. OTOH, if they won't, Balcer, please follow up on both of us and the issues as well. -- Irpen 23:40, 8 May 2006 (UTC)
[67] What do you think? (reply to the e-mail as well); Speaking of which did that Kiev Metro site answer you and can we use their photos? -- Kuban Cossack 20:15, 6 May 2006 (UTC)
Have you seen Kiev Offensive on Main Page? If not, take a look. -- Ghirla -трёп- 07:43, 7 May 2006 (UTC)
I don't appreciate being accused of Copyright Paranoia and of damaging Wikipedia. That usually applies when an old image of unknown provenance with unclear copyright status is listed for deletion. But in this case things are crystal clear. This image comes from a very popular atlas, which I have used frequently myself and which is available in bookstores as we speak. You can buy the newest, unused 2004 edition yourself from amazon.com right away. It would really be great if we could scan all the images from that atlas and put them into Wikipedia under fair use, but that is just not how Wikipedia works. Balcer 18:45, 7 May 2006 (UTC)
Hello
Could you please take a look on the Talk:Georgy Zhukov page and add your two cents to the matter ( Deng 18:56, 9 May 2006 (UTC))
Bolshoi spasibo!!! Eto ya nye ozhidal!-- Smerus 14:13, 10 May 2006 (UTC)
Good work on destubbing this one. + + Lar: t/ c 02:57, 12 May 2006 (UTC)
I presented a list of reasons why the current paragraph on "Poles vandalising Kiev" cannot stand, based on the currently given sources anyway. Please respond to the points I made. I believe they provide good grounds for completely removing that section and the references backing it up.
I also have a general question: what is your opinion on using books published in the 1930s in the Soviet Union as sources, especially when they are books on controversial, politically sensitive topics? I also wonder how you would feel about using sources published in Nazi Germany during the same period. Balcer 20:31, 12 May 2006 (UTC)
Thank you for your welcome, Irpen. I am utterly new at this, so forgive any missteps. Despite our disagreements I value our interaction; it is always pleasant to deal with a well educated person on an interesting topic. Faustian 20:36, 12 May 2006 (UTC)
Thank you for your kind words in the discussion, btw. I 've had a crazy day involving 8+ hours of travel. I'll think about the question of "liberating" Russian cities over the weekend and be back online Sunday night at the latest. Hope all is well. I'll let Grafikm know as well.-- tufkaa 02:54, 13 May 2006 (UTC)
You appear to have recreated this recently-deleted "stub type", with the unenlightening edit summaries of "cat" and "recat". What gives? Alai 07:33, 14 May 2006 (UTC)
I have just re-speedied this stub. The vote for deletion was 6-2 in favour of its deletion. More specifically, several of those votes were "populate or delete" - that is, get the stub up to threshold size (60) before the end of this debate or delete of it. There were far fewer than the required number of articles at the end of the deletion debate, therefore it was deleted as per the comments of those who took part in the debate. Even now, several weeks after its deletion, there are less than half the number of stubs that would be needed for this template to reach threshold. If at some point in the future you believe there are enough stubs for this stub type, feel free to re-propose it at WP:WSS/P. DO NOT simply re-create a template that was deleted by due process, otherwise it may be taken as an act of vandalism. Grutness... wha? 08:14, 15 May 2006 (UTC)
I'd be happy to use this stub and vote 'keep' if I am appraised of any similar vote.-- Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus Talk 01:30, 17 May 2006 (UTC)
... is not to ignore rules for the sake of ignoring rules, or because you happen to dislike the consequence of their application (or the rule in general), but to do so in a manner that's seen to benefit the Encyclopaedia. As there's considerable long-standing consensus at WSS that having many under-sized stub types is counter-productive, and an explicit consensus on deleting this particular type, repeatedly creating it was hardly such an application. Alai 19:28, 14 August 2006 (UTC)
A bunch of Russophobes keeps attacking the article. Please intervene. -- Ghirla -трёп- 14:33, 16 May 2006 (UTC)
Greetings, Please see my comments on the discussiuon section of that stub. As time allows I would like to contribute to that page. As I mentioned, regional differences seems better (it's more than east/west - central Ukraine is as distinct from Galicia and the Donbas). And perhaps writing about how these differences impacted history can be very important. I'm thinking of making a section on the events of 1917-1921. regards Faustian 20:12, 16 May 2006 (UTC)
Irpen, I wouldn't allow him if I were you. Ghirlandajo is a strictly anti-Ukrainian editor. E.g., he advocated Crimea's parting from UA several times. Being civil with him ... OK, but being friendly? And that Soviet цяцька was in fact given to many anti-Ukrainian figures in real life. I think this is not funny, Андрій, this is disgusting and blasphemous. By allowing him you declared yourself not only pro-Russian, but also an anti-Ukrainian editor. Feel free to erase my comment till anybody else notices it (like you always do with the truth). Ukrained 08:31, 22 May 2006 (UTC)
Irpen, you removed a necessary and explained tag from Ukrainische Gruppe Nachtigall, just to have me substituting them with others, slightly different, hours later. This was a technicality which you could do easily. So, you didn't see an evidently bad Ukraine-related page? Or you wanted it to stay such for purpose? You were saying ... I'm as Ukrainian as... what? Ukrained 08:13, 22 May 2006 (UTC)
I will respond to all this when I have time. Let me just say that you are as wrong as you always are assuming bad faith of others. While I am tired of this, I since I know this habbit of yours well by now, I don't care much. Later, -- Irpen 19:33, 22 May 2006 (UTC)
Since you haven't presented any sources that would support the view that Ukrainians were polonophobic I deleted the information. While some of it might be historically correct I don't see any connection to expression of Polonophobia. -- Molobo 23:05, 22 May 2006 (UTC)
I added the context to the statement that the hostility to Poles you refer to were all due to the Soviets The statement is unsourced.I removed it.Since you insist on putting it in, please give source.Otherwise I shall remove it again. I never said Ukrainians were Polonophobic. Then I see no reason for your edits there. -- Molobo 11:12, 23 May 2006 (UTC)
The article is assumed to be ready for mainpage when it passes FA, if one disagrees there is the FARev and FARC processes. If you have any complains about the artcle being NPOV (and remembering it passed FA) may I suggest discussion at talk? I promise a swift reply. Volodarka: as I replied on talk of PSW a minute ago, it is not in index under V/W, where should I look? I'll check the other three in a minute. As for other articles, perhaps this will shed the light on my opposal to your edits: in PSW we should use the same words for P and S (if possible): I can agree that P. occupied some territories but Soviets did the same. In PSC and HoP39-45 the equivalent wording can be applied to S and NG, but this logic certainly is no basis to remove the wording and whitewash Soviet actions of 17th September.-- Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus Talk 03:19, 25 May 2006 (UTC)
When I was a child, I saw a cartoon where two guys were fighting, and a third guy tried to stop them. He said, "Gentlemen, gentlemen, let there be peace." They then proceeded to attack him, instead of fighting each other. I hope that's not what is about to happen to me. Irpen and Piotrus, I value your contributions and imput to Wikipedia. I value your intelligence, and I understand the perspectives from which both of you are coming from. Aftr reading certain spats you've had recently (like in the Polish September Campaign talk pages), I think you both need a small recess or mini vacation from each other. Leave it alone for a while. You'll be glad you did. Dr. Dan 03:38, 25 May 2006 (UTC)
I'd like to congratulate you on your Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth section of the Polonization article. Very well put ! -- Lysy talk 18:18, 30 May 2006 (UTC)
Would you like to co-mentor Deng? - FrancisTyers 12:12, 4 June 2006 (UTC)
You might enjoy this article from Pravda.ru . It made me chuckle, but I honestly don't know what to make out of it. Is this some kind of joke or are they serious about this? Anyway, lately Google News spits out such strange links when searching for Poland, for example. Seems their standards in selecting news items are nil. Balcer 11:03, 6 June 2006 (UTC)
An arbitration request involving you has been filed.-- AndriyK 19:51, 13 June 2006 (UTC)
I am a bit puzzled with your manner to answer the questions of other users.
Even if somebody by mistake asked the same question twice, is it not easier to answer the questions briefly that immediately blame your colleague for trolling?-- Mbuk 21:28, 21 June 2006 (UTC)
I think a potentially very disruptive template is on verge of being kept. If you have time, please take a look at this TfD discussion. [68] Regards. 172 | Talk 21:48, 1 July 2006 (UTC)
I'll respond here, since it is not relevant for Russian architecture any more. After I've included the picture of palace in Warsaw in the article you've accused me of "Polonizing Russian topics just for the sake of it". I feel this is unjust and untrue. Are you aware of my attempts to "Polonize" Russian articles other than adding the obviously missing illustration to Russian Architecture ? -- Lysy talk 16:23, 4 July 2006 (UTC)
You are making a big mistake by allowing yourself to be blindly lead by AndriyK whose remaining tenure at WP will likely be short despite my attempts to turn his efforts into anything creative. You should make your judgements yourself rather than allow others to tell you what to do. The explanation was detailed and elaborate and sufficient to the proponent of the change. Please raise issues at the article talk and on your own behalf. -- Irpen 00:02, 6 July 2006 (UTC)
Did you read the link above. Here is only some quotes from there:
Mbuk, I have a strong feeling that you are not behaving in good faith and are just trying to make a point and waste my time. I hope I am wrong. Your endless questioning for easy to find answers borders trolling if it's not one. I request that you start acting on your own and please start adding content to WP instead wasting other people's and your own time. From now on, I firmly request that you use article's talk to conduct article's related discussion. I will see it there and will respond if I see the response warranted. -- Irpen 06:26, 6 July 2006 (UTC)
I leave it to others to judge who is right here. I fed you too much and have no intention to do it. Your disregard to advise to do any editing except pestering is blatantly obvious. Until you change the habbits, do not expect others to take your entries seriously. -- Irpen 21:37, 6 July 2006 (UTC)
A request for mediation has been filed with the Mediation Committee that lists you as a party. The Mediation Committee requires that all parties listed in a mediation must be notified of the mediation. Please review the request at [[Wikipedia:Requests for mediation/ Battle of the Lower Dnieper/ Lviv]], and indicate whether you agree or refuse to mediate. If you are unfamiliar with mediation, please refer to Wikipedia:Mediation. There are only seven days for everyone to agree, so please check as soon as possible.
My tags were inserted properly. And your POV-pushing and incompetence multiplied by your stubborness and persistence in edit warring, is a real catastrophy for Ukraine-related segment of Wikipedia. --
AndriyK 18:50, 7 July 2006 (UTC)
Please re-read WP:NPA. You seem to be making statements just to provoke people [69].
As general rule, please do not use article talk pages to make comments about users. Use the users' talk pages instead. The article talk page is reserved to discuss the article. Flooding it with unrelated stuff makes it difficult to read and follow the discussion. Thanks.-- Mbuk 08:19, 8 July 2006 (UTC)
Thanks for your help on the Yulia Tymoshenko article! I'm planing a trip to Ukraine, how are you all feeling out there? -- Mariah-Yulia 21:27, 8 July 2006 (UTC)
I think, it would be helpfull if you pay attantion to the following:
and Note: There are certain Wikipedia users who are unpopular, perhaps because of foolish or boorish behavior in the past. Such users may have been subject to disciplinary actions by the Arbitration Committee. It is only human to imagine that such users might be fair game for personal attacks. This notion is misguided; people make mistakes, often learn from them and change their ways. The NPA rule applies to all users irrespective of their past history or how others regard them. (From WP:NPA).-- Mbuk 06:58, 10 July 2006 (UTC)
Has your RFC been closed yet? I've got myself one too now... -- Tēlex 18:32, 11 July 2006 (UTC)
You may want to draw inspiration from mine, launched this morning by Mbuk. It seems that tags are very important to them. -- Tēlex 18:40, 11 July 2006 (UTC)
That User:Mbuk is exhausting. Look at the bottom of Talk:Ukrainization: he has been asked a simple question and he persistently evades answering it. In the meantime, he won't actually edit the article and insists on the tag, and will edit war to maintain it. Are we supposed to guess what he wants or something? He does not say what he wants. It's like someone going into a shop and saying I want you to guess what I want, and I won't leave until you do. -- Tēlex 22:02, 11 July 2006 (UTC)
Irpen, you've asked me to postpone our dispute on Ukrainization article, I agreed and then you've immediately changed the lead to your version. What do you mean ? I hope it was a mistake, as I'm always assuming your good faith. -- Lysy talk 10:30, 14 July 2006 (UTC)
Tyrenius, I don't have a selfless stance on the matter. When I undo someone's work, I only do so when I think the other version needs changed (it can surely happen that I am wrong in the end of the day). I asked Lysy to leave the article in my version assuming that the differences are not so great that would make leaving an article in my version totally unacceptable for him. It was up to him to decide. -- Irpen 01:42, 15 July 2006 (UTC)
Here is the list of edits you ate talking about:
I don't know what you mean by missing. This is the chronological list and it is easy to check. I am surprized by your lack of AGF but fine. You have your suspicions, you bring them up. -- Irpen 19:22, 17 July 2006 (UTC)
I'm always assuming your good faith at first, as I mentioned above, bit now I'm starting to wonder what game are you playing with me. Did you revert the article to your version before or after I agreed for a break ? -- Lysy talk 19:56, 17 July 2006 (UTC)
I am going to develop the article further as soon as I can get to it. I explicitly wrote in my message to you that I hope you agree that the article is not so bad anyway to leave it as it was. I also explained at talk what was wrong with the previous version before chamging it. Per lack of action from you for more than a day, I thought you agree either with my explanation or that the difference between my version and what you see it should be is not so huge to leave as is for a while. I really don't see what you are leading this to. If you want to accuse me of anything, just say so directly and at public pages. Your fuzzy (I always assumed good faith from you but...) lacks clearity on what you are trying to say. -- Irpen 20:38, 17 July 2006 (UTC)
Thanks Grafikm, I really don't understand what's Lysy's fussing about. I did not need to ask him of anything if I found his version agreeable. I could just leave it at that. My request at his talk asking him to interrupt the edit dispute could not have meant that it was at his version, otherwise it would have been a tautology. After I elaborately explained the problems at talk, changed the article accordingly and so no reaction for a while, I thought the article could have just stay as it was until the trolling of AndriyK and Mbuk is settled separately. Now, after several days passed Lysy starts to accuse me in things and I really don't see where this is coming from or where it is leading to. Sigh. -- Irpen 21:38, 17 July 2006 (UTC)
Lysy, after your accusing me over nothing that I did wrong, dragged this discussion over nothing for that long and made it even an attack on my integrity, I am really not looking forward towards discussion anything with you at all. But if you force me to by making controverisal edits and persisting with them, I will have to respond. You can call it "discuss the article" if you want. -- Irpen 06:12, 18 July 2006 (UTC)
Right, and exactly this surprized me in Lysy's accusations. Whatever... -- Irpen 06:37, 18 July 2006 (UTC)
To me situation became simple as well, although I did not expect that kind of situation from you. I should not have spent time responding to your assumptions of bad-faith and baseless accusations and should have followed instead the "Dealing with pestering and misplaced criticism" instructions. -- Irpen 17:44, 18 July 2006 (UTC)
I am not trying to offend you. I am explaining how it feels to be accused in something one hasn't done by a person from who one did not expect a baselessly attacked when nothing wrong was done.
I can tell you though, that any given Wikipedian can only insult me a one single time. From that moment on I stop caring about what that person is saying to me or about me. You grossly violated the AGF guideline and then unleashed a baseless attack while anyone can see that you are either making it up or refuse to see what's plain obvious.
So, your talking about being "disgusted" here seems to me a disgusting hypocricy and I have no intention to spend any more time to convince you there was no foul play, especially when this is so plain obvious and especially after I spent so much time on writing to explain this to you. You are free to say whatever you want and I would be happy if you raise your accusations in a more public place to request other people's opinion, be it RfC, arbitration or whatever. Now, if you want to continue this, please do so at the public pages rather than at my talk so that you will get more feedback. -- Irpen 23:38, 18 July 2006 (UTC)
Hi, Irpen! I don't know if you are still following this discussion; I am posting this just in case you aren't. I requested your opinion in my today's post. Nothing urgent, though. And hey, congrats with your cool new awards above! Perhaps I should get you a jewelry box soon to keep them all there :)) Cheers!— Ëzhiki (Igels Hérissonovich Ïzhakoff-Amursky) • ( yo?); 16:14, 17 July 2006 (UTC)
I'm deleting your recent comment on Talk:Mikhail Leontyev [70] as it provided zero information on the subject. Please avoid such comments as "unleashing this incivil trollish diatribe", and don't escalate conflicts. KPbIC 01:31, 19 July 2006 (UTC)
Please help NPOV the article as per your suggestions, I am afraid I lack the needed sources.-- Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus talk 04:55, 23 July 2006 (UTC)
Hello, why don't you draft an arbitration case against the new AndriyK? His ban is long overdue, Ghirla -трёп- 10:13, 25 July 2006 (UTC)
Forgive me! I was just trying to standardize the article names. Thanks for the explanation. — A.S. Damick talk contribs 12:04, 25 July 2006 (UTC)
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You can find information on the project page about the WikiProject, as well as how to join and how to indicate that you are a member of the project. Additionally, you may be interested in helping out with our collaboration of the month. I hope you'll consider joining and thank you for your contributions thus far! — A.S. Damick talk contribs 12:04, 25 July 2006 (UTC)
Hi. User:Mack2 keeps listing the National Institute for Strategic Studies (NISS) among other bodies of government of Ukraine. NISS is a think tank with only an advisory status, and it is not a proper body of government per se. There's no law of Ukraine (or even a proposed law) defining NISS's scope of authority as it must be the case for any body of government. From his comments it is clear he is somehow affiliated with that institution.
Also, he has deleted NBU from the list and denies that. I don't know why since it's so easy to check the article history. Sashazlv 23:46, 25 July 2006 (UTC)
I need your help there. And archive at least 2/3 of this page. --19:18, 26 July 2006 (UTC)
My sock stalker has returned -- Ghirla -трёп- 15:06, 3 August 2006 (UTC)
Irpen, thanks for dropping by and writing a note. Will see you in the editing "field."-- Riurik 15:58, 3 August 2006 (UTC)
Hi Irpen,
Could you please help me out with Bonaparte? He's trolling agian. Thanks. — Khoikhoi 18:09, 4 August 2006 (UTC)
I restored the talk page that I deleted, as you requested, and I also removed the speedy deletion tag so that does not happen again. I'm not sure why someone wanted it deleted an an attack page. Academic Challenger 07:25, 8 August 2006 (UTC)
Thank you so much for the award *blush* the ukrainian communittee on wikipedia have been really incredible. Thanks you again. Odessaukrain 23:03, 10 August 2006 (UTC)
Hehehe, I knew right from the start but only decided to report him when he started to piss me off. Next time I'll be less tolerant. ;) Пока. — Khoikhoi 01:12, 16 August 2006 (UTC)
I've read all the relevant talk pages before I posted my comments, I wonder what made you think that I didn't. Perhaps I haven't noticed some of the arguments and repeated them, but it was certainly not done in bad faith. Also note that I'm not reverting some of your controversial edits and instead I'm using the talk page. I appreciate your will of discussion and I hope to hear some arguments or a list of things that are actually disputed. Halibu tt 00:35, August 30, 2005 (UTC)
Anyway, I prefer to respond on people's talk pages as it is easier for them to notice that there is some discussion going on. Otherwise, I'd have to open about 1000 User talk pages every time someone posts a comment there... Halibu tt 01:37, August 30, 2005 (UTC)
I understand your frustration. Anyway, maybe a short break and returning to the articles afresh in a couple of days is a good idea. In the meantime, what do you think of my suggestion of writing more articles about the battles/events of the 1920 campaign that would add more balanced view ? As I tried to explain, the articles written by Polish editors are based mostly on Polish historiography, therefore their selection may be intrinsically biased. -- Lysy ( talk) 20:04, 31 August 2005 (UTC)
No, no! I did loose my temper and therefore withdrew. As for your specific example, I view it like this. If one is trying to attack, fails and the seige fails because of that (besieging army withdraws), this is the victory of a defender ( Battle of Moscow). If the attack did not suceed and things return to where they were, this is inconclusive. Another attack at a later time may or may not be a victory. -- Irpen 21:48, August 31, 2005 (UTC)
I will respond to your comments at article's talk. I really had no time today for much. I will get to this on the weekend. If/When you feel I am not responding within a reasonable time, you may remove the mention of the dispute of course. I may resurrect it when I respond but I think a couple of days isn't too much to ask. Also, I owe you responses in different discusions which I also plan to get to soon. Regards, -- Irpen 07:42, September 2, 2005 (UTC)
I have edited the article a bit further and then removed the POV tag. Let me know if there are any specific issues that you still consider POV and that remained in the article. -- Lysy ( talk) 14:19, 4 September 2005 (UTC)
Yes, I will respond at article's talk. -- Irpen 14:03, September 8, 2005 (UTC)
Point me to page moves that need to be listed at WP:RM. — Michael Z. 2005-10-27 19:47 Z
I'd be interested to discuss your view of Piłsudski as being nationalistic. I think the perception in Poland is quite the contrary, he was the main opponent of nationalism. I'm curious what made you think he was a nationalist ? Maybe it was the Soviet propaganda, that attempted to picture him as a facist ? -- Lysy ( talk) 08:58, 3 November 2005 (UTC)
Lysy, FYI, the Soviet propaganda preferred not to cover Pilsudski at all because he was associated with not so successful military campaign of the Soviet Russia. If you are interested in modern view of mainstream historiography in Ukraine, you may read the following article in Ukrainian or in Russian (whichever you can read more easily).
I did not expect at all that the statement that he was a nationalist would startle Poles. OTOH, I beleive, that my statement to the contrary was equally unexpected for you to see. That's the consequence of systemic biases we may have been exposed too. That's the good thing about international projects, such as WP, that it brings people with such different views together. -- Irpen 22:42, 3 November 2005 (UTC)
The question is would there ever be such a multinational state even if Pilsudski would have gotten it his way and managed to be its leader. I don't know how genuine his words were but even if believing that he was sincere saying that, I doubt his policies would follow up. His army's behaviour in Galicia and Volhynia after the suppression of WUR leave me in doubt about him being able to accept equality of Ukraine and Poland and, perhaps, others in the Polish-centered mega-state. His army's mauradeering in the central Ukraine during the PSW may not prove much, because it may have been common at the time, but he could have taken measures here too. The most important thing, though, is that unlike some Polish people I've seen believe, the equality of nobility and religions in PLC is a myth or at least it is a myth from what I read. It may be unprecedentedly "equal" compared to other multiethnic states, but other states never claimed to be "federations", or "Democracies of nobles". Other states never proclaimed religious freedom too and Warsaw compact was unprecedented. The truth perhaps is that the proponents of such federations throughout history always assumed a Polish domination there, even if subconsciously. I see no reason that Pilsudski was any different in this respect. -- Irpen 01:52, 4 November 2005 (UTC)
I understand that the stated form of the state was a federation but I am sure that what was had in mind was a Polish dominated federation as I explained above. As for Ukrainian events, I am talking not about joint operation with Petliura's which I find strange to call "allies" but so be it if this is used in Polish books (collaborators seem more exact to me). What I meant, are events that happened before Petliura was subdued and had to sell out the the aspirations of Ukrainians in what is now Western Ukraine for Pilsudski's help in installing himself in Kiev. From the article linked above (sorry for the Russian):
P.S. I have no objection to moving the discussion to Pilsudski's talk. -- Irpen 04:58, 4 November 2005 (UTC)
Irpen you should get another Bohdan order for helping new users like myself. Thank you for your comment and look forward to working on these projects-- Riurik 23:17, 27 December 2005 (UTC)
I've not forgotten to look for the brutality of Polish against Ukrainians in 1918. I've looked up several potential sources, but so far found nothing notable. It may be because all these sources were of Polish origin. One of them menioned that the early fights were desperate and resulted in later hatred. However I was not able to find anything more specific, particularly anything that would imply that Poles were more brutal than Ukrainians. Have you had any success on this in the meantime ? -- Lysy ( talk) 22:44, 29 December 2005 (UTC)
Thanks for the link to the Himka article! The link is especially helpful following the constructive suggestion by Dietwald on Talk:Holodomor: "What SHOULD be done is to expand the discussion on politization. The issue is unduly politicised, which in itself deserver a considerable discussion." [71] I'm also expecting to gather support for writing a much-needed entry on the Soviet famine of 1932-1934. Perhaps such an entry would be a strong candidate for Wikipedia:Collaboration of the week?
You're right about Andrew Alexander. I'm not too optimistic about the Holodomor since he is somewhat on the territorial side. Still, he has demonstrated an interest in adding well-sourced factual content and is relatively civil. We'll see how the discussion goes on the talk page. If it goes well enough, hopefully you will feel inclined to return to the article. Thanks again for the help! 172 20:06, 11 January 2006 (UTC)
Hi. If you get the chance, will you be able to restore the NPOV version of the Holodomor intro? Ultramarine kept on restoring the Andrew Alexander version until I'd used up my three reverts. Interestingly, he does indeed seem to be stalking me. Cold War, for example, was an article that wasn't on his watchlist until yesterday, when he probably found out that the article had been in my recent user contributions history. 172 20:50, 21 January 2006 (UTC)
Thanks for the reply. Also, thanks for the thought-provoking comments on nationalism and education in Ukraine. I'm about to leave my computer so my reply has to be too brief. I'll continue to try to do my best on the Holodomor article. In the meantime, I suppose we'll have to put up with more grandstanding from the usual quarters before much progress can be made. I'll be able to put up with them for at least another week, given that the famine is now such an important topic. Thanks again! 172 21:24, 21 January 2006 (UTC)
I don't mind anons editing. I object to using anonymous accounts for edit warring, that's all. Please . This wasn't an edit at all. -- Irpen 20:46, 15 March 2006 (UTC)
The problem with the conflict between AndriyK's version and the one which was there for months (admitedly written by myself) is that the advantage of the latter is explained in detail at the article's talk. Compromising is good but not for the sake of the compromise itself. Otherwise, we would have to "compromise" Ukrainian articles with the views that, say, the Ukrainian language is the dialect of the Russian or that UPA was a Nazi organization or that Holodomor was caused by bad weather. If someone just makes a random statement at talk, it does not mean that we have to compromise with it. Check recent edits by anon at Orange Revolution. I reverted him without even discussing them. In Khreschatyk the current version is explained and AndriyK failed to provide any explanation to the opposite. His reason is that he doesn't like it. Sorry, that's not good enough to force a compromise. Kuban kazak, doesn't like "I" in Kharkiv. I simply explained to him what's wrong with "O" in modern usage and he withdrew rather than insisting that we look for a compromise with "E". AndriyK just reverts such edits are not worthy of discussion in order to restore to the stable version. He does the same at Russian architecture and a whole bunch of other articles. In fact, for now, that's all he does. I am willing to put aside any issues I have with this editor and discuss things with him based on the merit of his points. He isn't making any points. Just attacks things that he happens to "not like". What should I discuss and compromise then?
Finally, that you edit the articles with ongoing conflicts anonymously is discourteous and unfair. It takes 1 minute to register a throwaway account but that would allow others to talk to you in case of disagreement. It would be best if you put yourself on the equal footing with others and reregister a stable account so that the dialog is possible and you can't pretend to not see what's being said to you. I am talking fairness to others only. But this is only as far as conflicting articles are concerned. Anonymous small corrections are totally all right. But please consider what I've said since you are obviously interested and able to contribute more than that and I know you will. Besides you know that you will. The only reason people actually leave WP is the edit conflicts or sudden sudden changes in life, not the "lack of time". It is too addictive. -- Irpen 21:58, 15 March 2006 (UTC)
Yes you are right and check how much time people spent on the issue in response to his tag, checking the academic sources. BTW, tagging was the second thing he did. The first one was moving it to another title Architecture of Rus, that is despite it goes into the Socialist realism times, and we his trademark dirty trick with artificial history to make sure his point is forced upon others. Then he pasted the whole chapter to Architecture of Kievan Rus without any acknowledgement of the authorship, making an impression that he wrote such a superior article. Only after that he placed a tag and it was given a fare amount of thought by the community.
Michael even took an effort to go to the city library and saw that in academia the approach is similar to the one taken in the article. What more you could ask for from the editors who listened to his objections and gave the matter such a thorough study? Third parties mostly agreed as well. If there is a bias all over the world due to a historic influence of the Russian scholarship in the historiography, the way to address it is in the new scholarly works, not in encyclopedia whose aim is to summarize the matter based on the existing knowledge, rather than to "correct" it. This is very similar to Kiev/Kyiv issue. Both are correct, Kiev is primarily used, hence we use Kiev. We mast defer to the mainstream view and mention the minority view, if they are substantial but clearly as minority view, like Holocaust denial in the Holocaust article, or the whether theory in Holodomor or that Russia is not a descendant of Kievan Rus' but of Finno-Ugric tribes in the North, like some fierce Ukrainian nationalists are trying to portray it. -- Irpen 02:19, 16 March 2006 (UTC)
Yes, my point is that he is acting in bad faith here as he has shown in the past he is able to, like frivolous moves of the articles and falsified voting to prevent moving them back. If someone throws a tag, we must study his objections first and address them the best we can. Nothing can prevent a bad-faith user from persisting by just saying "I don't agree". He cannot be allowed to screw the articles just because his views differ from the reality. One thing is ignoring someone's objection. Another thing is to persist with objections that were addressed just to stubbornly make a point. -- Irpen 03:34, 16 March 2006 (UTC)
Irpen's actions:
Saint's actions:
—Preceding unsigned comment added by 134.84.5.19 ( talk • contribs)
Well, not quite like this. That is I am not a saint for sure, but this is not how it was. I don't even remember whether he was blocked when I removed the tag because this was not a thing I was keeping in mind. There was a considerable amount of time (perhaps even a month) when there were enough ArbCom votes to see that he was going to be blocked and the date when the case was closed and the block applied. During that month he was almost inactive, except trolling at Alex's first RfA. If you reread the ArbCom, I did not call for blocking him. I wanted him banned from moving articles (which was done), from substituting the terminology by revert warring rather than proposing and discussing (which was also done) and to restrict his right to revert war (that is, say, 2RR per day rather than 4) which was not done. Stripped of his trolling tools, he might have started to contribute. I removed the tag because I saw the objections answered, no new objections were raised and the tag was there long enough. Besides, his faithful revert war proxy user:Andrew Alexander was around anyway.
I thought of welcoming him because I actually wanted to do it. The reason I didn't was that I thought that it would have just annoyed him. He sees me as a true evil, worse than Ghirla. The latter is just a Russian, it is normal for Russians to be bad in the eyes of a Russophobe. Myself being a Ukrainian and seeing the Ukrainian nationalism as repugnant at the same time, amounts in the eyes of some as a treason (I see any other nationalism repugnant as well). It's like Vlasovets versus a German, who was more hated at the time of the war? You can see even from talk:Khreschatyk, that I offered him to work things out and this was one of the countless times. He chose to bite a hand I stretched to him every time. I am not an ill-tempered person and I hold no grudge for his badmouthing me at en- and ua-wikis as well as at the outside forums and his emails to others. But if he sees me as such and I "welcome him back", he would just get mad because he won't beleive in my sincerety.
Anyway, if he starts writing articles, and I see how I can help, I will be around. If he just goes around spitting, reverting and deleting, I can't do much about that, can I? Besides, I had enough of his attitude and I have no intention to talk to him, unless absolutely necessary because every time it provokes another set of outbursts. -- Irpen 09:01, 16 March 2006 (UTC)
BTW have you seen this? -- Latinus 19:29, 16 March 2006 (UTC)
What amuses you?-- AndriyK 19:52, 16 March 2006 (UTC)
Anonymous, you don't need to tell me how to be nice. Modesty aside, most people don't consider me ill-tempered, either in life or at Wikipedia. I will deal with AndriyK's edits based on their merit, not on what I think about him. So far, there were no edits. Just reverts and I explained what was wrong with the versions he was reverting to and he gave no answer. Once he makes a first new edit, I will deal with it totally based on that edit's own merit. -- Irpen 21:27, 16 March 2006 (UTC)
I am sure I can find specific edits of yours but your crusade by itself, pretty much outlined at your arbitration, speaks much already. I never made a single Ukrainophobic edit. Moreover, the curious and impossible combination of accusations I've heard towards myself (like Ukrainian nationalism, Ukrainophobia, Russian nationalism, Russophobia, etc.) just convince me that I am doing the right thing. That my view that Ukrainian nationalism is repugnant (like any other BTW) annoys Ukrainian nationalists is not surprising. You've been told by several compatriots of ours (including the anonymous editor here) that you are mistaken in calling me all those names. That you, nevertheless, remain unconvinced is telling.
I suggest you go to Talk:Russian architecture and outline your specific objections to justify your tag and not in a general rant-like form, but with a specific point by point list. Otherwise, please don't complain if it is removed as unexplained.
You were extremely rude in the past and such things, you know, stick to memory. In any case, as I wrote earlier, when I deal with any specific article disagreements with you I am putting this all aside. Please start writing. It's about time. -- Irpen 08:56, 17 March 2006 (UTC)
I can't prove anything to you regarding the real life. All I am saying is that's how that is. I have no revengeful passions against you whatever you think. If you can't take my word for it, I can't do much about it, can I. Now, please edit Wikipedia. -- Irpen 09:01, 17 March 2006 (UTC)
AndriyK, you just try to offend me in the worst possible way. It won't work. It worked in the beginning, but I developed the immunity to your offensive language. Don't waste your time making a fool of yourself again. Besides, it may get you in trouble some day. Your last arbitration was not prompted by your rudeness but by gross disruption of Wikipedia through the move fraud, followed by vote fraud and combined by relentless edit warring over anachronistic terminology substitution caused by your Russophobic desire to purge any Russian names from Ukraine related article even at cost of introducing anachronisms. However, while we were at it, the evidence of your rudeness only made the case convincing in the eyes of the arbitrators that, at Wikipedia, you are nothing but a troll with an agenda. Since your return, you resumed exactly what you were doing. I suggest you reconsider this.
Start writing articles and we will discuss them if I disagree with something in them. Bring up your objections civilly if you disagree with what I write in articles. Do not troll the talk pages with new outbursts. Finish writing about Vasyl Stus. Finish Polkovnyk. Write Povazhny kozak or write whatever you want. Put your agenda, whatever it is, aside and you will find a totally different attitude from everyone. That said, I will not be responding to any more of your offenses. Have a nice weekend. -- Irpen 18:22, 17 March 2006 (UTC)
Kuban kazak, this discussion is pointless. Let's put a line here. -- Irpen 18:22, 17 March 2006 (UTC)
Hi Irpen, I'm surprised that you reverted my move. You participated in the discussion on the board, and you didn't voice any objections to the name I proposed. What don't you like about the title? Appleseed ( Talk) 00:48, 17 March 2006 (UTC)
Please let me know which articles (and preferably which edits) do you want me to look over, and if the stuff was pasted, where from. I don't have time to stalk Molobo and check on his every edit. As for that pic, I know you had good intentions and in that particular case others overreacted way to strongly - and when Ghirla joined the outcome was a mess. Happens - and I think we have it fixed somewhat (although the photo issue will not be resolved until we have an article about London victory parade and why Polish forces in the West could not take part in it). As for tags, in that particular case I think 1 of them was not needed, but there were six facts that I really wanted to see referenced. Yes, tagging creates more work - but useful work. In other news, I can check the English spellings in Davies WERS book you requested, but plese let me know exactly what names (index? page nr?) you want me to look at, so when I go to the library I can do it as quickly as possible.-- Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus Talk 05:51, 1 April 2006 (UTC)
Irpen, may I ask why you insist on your version of the article? I know, you started the article, and it was DYK, but the particular paragraph in question doesn't look like been initially written neutrally. Previously, there was an edit war about the paragraph; as a result a quite reasonable version by Michael gained support, the version written better than yours. Now, after a month since the conflict, you are bringing the issue again, providing not a single additional argument, nothing at the talk page, and yet insisting on your version of the paragraph. You don't like a shorter version of tne paragraph, you don't like a longer version of the paragraph (listing all the forces), it seems like you only want to see your version of the paragraph. Or, am I missing something? --Anonymous, 19:33, 21 April 2006 (UTC)
Irpen's version has minor problems like typos and duplicate links to the same page (Kiev offense), and one significant proplem as it's biased in describing differently Ukrainian forces vs. other forces. Michael's version, and the version with listing all forces are both describing all forces in pair. This is what makes these versions superior compare to Irpen's version.--Anonymous 20:39, 21 April 2006 (UTC)
134, compromise is a good thing but there must be some reason under each of the opposing version between which we seek a compromise. My version is explained at article's talk. AndriyK's version is not explained at talk despite my persistent calls to him. A while ago he said that "short-lived is scornful". To this I responded and others agreed that this is just BS. It's purely factual and not scornful. He came up with no other reasons. Michael, being a nice guy, offered a compromise just for the sake of accomodating AndriyK. I disagree with such motivation. Compromise should be made for accomodating between two reasonable versions, not two or more people. We've got no explanation whatsoverer from AndriyK on his persistence (exact same situation in Russian architecture). As such, there is nothing to compromise with so far.
Typos? Correct them by all means. Twice connected to Kiev Offensive? Because we are talking about two parts of it: victorious Polish part with the parade (linked to the K. O. section about Polish victories) and Poles defeated part (linked to another section). -- Irpen 22:43, 21 April 2006 (UTC)
It seems that in the discussion you are using as an argument the fact that AndriyK has contributed less to the articles in comparison to your contributions. While it's correct, hope you would agree that switching from a subject to personalities is not so civil. KPbIC 04:43, 2 May 2006 (UTC)
Yes, you misinterpreted which is easy if you take to phrases out of context of an entire discussion. -- Irpen 01:19, 4 May 2006 (UTC)
I have restored the article History of Russo-Turkish wars. If you do not like the content, please go through the AfD process. -- Petri Krohn 10:34, 6 May 2006 (UTC)
I have removed the article from our attention list, as there have been almost no edits or discussions there for the past few weeks. I am not much familiar with the article or the sources, but as you seem to be unhappy about it, may I suggest that yous start by writing a review of the article on the talk page (if you don't want to edit it). I'd like for the attention tab at WP:PWNB to contain only articles which are in current revert wars and other grave problems.-- Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus Talk 22:35, 30 May 2006 (UTC)
Piotrus, I sincerely doubt that anything is perfect when it comes to NPOV. NPOV in WP is the product of the cooperative work of the reasonable editors with elimination of the input of the trollish ones. NPOV in EB (and any respected scholarly work) is the product of high reputation and topical grasp by the world's top scholars who are aware of the state of the art in the field and are required to write reflecting this state of the art, rather their own views. I bet if Davies was writing an PL article for EB it would be much less polonophile than his "God's Playground". Additionally, EB's articles get peer-reviewed and they sure get some feedback after the publication to take into account in the next update. Doesn't make it perfect but EB's usage is important since it surely reflects the widely accepted usage.
Speaking again of the attitude words, they are usable in Wikipedia when something's fitting towards the general definition is generally accepted, such as that the " Holocaust was a Genocide", " creationism is unscientific" (doesn't make it wrong), "'39 and '41 were occupations" and "44 was liberation", etc. If some fringe nationalist, be it Polish, Russian or Ukrainian, purges the liberation from the battle of Dnieper (or purges the occupation from the PSC, replacing it with liberation) it's no different then calling some event with the same word just for the POV reason. [78] NPOV isn't the same as a ban to use any word that implies any attitude at all (occupation, liberation, genocide, mass murder, salvation, etc). Otherwise, many articles would be gone.
As for your "goodwill gesture", everyone does those things. Besides I've always considered you (and some others, I hope Sylwia will be back as well) as moderate editors rather than some other others. Regards, -- Irpen 03:29, 2 June 2006 (UTC) If some fringe nationalist, be it Polish(...) purges the liberation You believe this is a fringe nationalist opinion in Poland? :) -- Molobo 16:27, 2 June 2006 (UTC)
Nothing is perfect. EB may err too. But much less likely than many other places. -- Irpen 05:39, 5 June 2006 (UTC)
I'm afraid our mutual friend has a sockpuppet. Could you investigate this curious affair? Thanks, Ghirla -трёп- 17:42, 27 June 2006 (UTC)
Please note that you are not permitted to edit comments of the users who criticize you at your RfC page. Your recent edit [80] is illegal.-- AndriyK 09:26, 3 July 2006 (UTC)
I'd appreciate your help with NPOVing this and possibly formulating an NPOVed DYK hook.-- Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus | talk 17:34, 13 August 2006 (UTC)
Irpen, could you please explain what a "conditional vote" is exactly? Even more important, could you point to some Wikipedia policy that even mentions such votes, especially in connection with RM surveys? To be even more specific, why not simply vote "oppose" if you are against some move, period.
"Conditional support" might be a valid vote choice when voting for an FA article, when one demands some changes before the article is acceptable. But in an RM case there are only two possible, clear outcomes. There is no need to make things more complicated.
Anyway, your attempt to try to link various issues muddies the waters, and introduces unnecessary controversy. If you really think that there is a global problem with naming articles related to Polish history, consider making some general proposal somewhere on how things should be corrected. Balcer 17:22, 21 August 2006 (UTC)
::August 24th, 2006
Happy Independence Day - Ukraine! З Днем Незалежності України! |
-- Riurik 04:16, 23 August 2006 (UTC)
I merged List of Polish Martyrdom sites to World War II atrocities in Poland. Also, just out of curiosity, why do you think that Massacre of Lwów professors is an inappropriate title? What would you suggest instead? Balcer 18:56, 23 August 2006 (UTC) "Killing of Lwow professors" is the first name that comes to mind. And all those other massacres titles can be demassacred without a slightest loss of clarity. Examples of names that could be used are:
This will not preclude the referenced usage of the terms like "massacre" and even "genocide" inside the article but titles would be more appropriate. -- Irpen 19:02, 23 August 2006 (UTC)
No, it's POV because it prejudges that this particular event was a massacre. Not every death is a murder, not every murder of several people is a massacre or a mass murder and not every mass murder is a Genocide. Whether the event qualifies is best resolved by the sources cited in the articles anot not by the editor who takes it upon himself to decide on his own via creating an article under a specific name (or a page move). -- Irpen 19:16, 23 August 2006 (UTC)
First, it was not just a Nazi crime. A Ukrainian Nachtigall took part in it. Second, it does not matter whose crime it was. If we manage to make a change in EE and demonstrate that it is working, we would be able to make a case wikiwide. -- Irpen 19:42, 23 August 2006 (UTC)
I'm really not trying to be contentious with this article. The simple fact is that, as it is now, it contains one citation (which I put there), and WP:CITE states that citations should be used "to ensure that the content of articles is credible and can be checked by any user" and further, that "[i]f you add any information to an article, particularly if it's contentious or likely to be challenged, you should supply a source. If you don't know how to format the citation, others will fix it for you. Simply provide any information you can." Finally, WP:V states that "[t]he burden of evidence lies with the editors who have made an edit or wish an edit to remain. Editors should therefore provide references. If an article topic has no reputable, reliable, third-party sources, Wikipedia should not have an article on that topic." I don't think its out of line to apply that standard to the current content of articles in addition to new content, nor do I think that pointing out the obvious (that the article lacks citations) using a template is particularly objectionable, especially when it may attract the attention of editors who have citations handy. If it will make you happier, I can go through and add {{citation needed}} tags to every claim that needs a citation, but that's going to be a lot messier. - Smahoney 22:28, 23 August 2006 (UTC)
Smahoney, I am well aware of all or most WP policies. At the same time, whatever position on common knowledge you have, there is such a thing like common sense too. Any number of "citation needed" templates may be added to any article, no matter how well referenced, at any time and by appealing to common sense I mean that whoever contends anything has to be reasonable at the same time. I am not opposed to citing sources and, as you may check, I add plenty of them to things I write. At the same time, I oppose going overboard on anything, including this issue.
By your accusing me in being at Wikipedia for the sake of being contentious you added a completely unsubstantiated and unprovoked insult to an injury I am not going to even discuss this ridiculous accusation. As for your giving me a set of choices between this or that, I am not here to tell you what to do. The tl:unreferenced gives you one hint: "There is currently no consensus about where to place this template; most suggest either the bottom of the article page (in an empty 'References' section), or on the article's talk page." If you choose "throughout the article" solution, again, I am not here to tell you how many tags are reasonable and how many aren't. A committed tagger can easily insert 20 "citation needed" to any paragraph. Do as you please.
As a suggestion, you may consider referencing by yourself some of the statements seem to you as needed a ref, at least those that would take no more than 5 minutes of googling around. You may want to check this thread for a related discussion. -- Irpen 04:32, 24 August 2006 (UTC)
Hi. I didn't quite get why the comment on (dual) citizenship was important. It looked a bit out of place in the discussion of voting rights. Sashazlv 03:59, 28 August 2006 (UTC)
I just noticed that this admin has deleted some important stuff from at least one article I wrote, namely Vadym Hetman. And it seems (s)he was ready to do the same in Pavlo Lazarenko. The alleged reason is that (s)he thinks the stuff isn't properly cited.
I don't understand this strategy. Someone with apparently little knowledge of Ukrainian politics - but with admin powers - runs across an article (which was so hard to write from scratch) and deletes the stuff (s)he doesn't like. Why wasn't factual accuracy disputed first? Sashazlv 04:28, 28 August 2006 (UTC)
Зачем Вы маркируете голоса "против" на белорусском голосовании. У Вас есть конкретный план насчёт "флешмоберов"? Будут ли такие голоса в будущем при подсчёте голосов? Спасибо за внимание. -- 82.209.208.69 19:47, 28 August 2006 (UTC)
Thanks!! You showed up just in time. — Alex ( T| C| E) 03:19, 2 September 2006 (UTC)
Incidentally, Zscout has deleted the photo of Yushchenko and Hetman's widow. I don't know the reason. Sashazlv 16:37, 2 September 2006 (UTC)
Genocides in history the Soviet Union section has been rewritten by another user. I thought it was creating a fork as it argues the definition of genocide right there and not in the main article, so I reverted to the previous version, however this user disagrees. Take a look as my take on this may be incorrect.-- Riurik (discuss) 19:07, 4 September 2006 (UTC)
Hi there, I just wanted to explain my point why I did remove (Gedimin) in Battle on the Irpen' River article. In my opinion Gedimin is quite nice recognizable in Gedimin-as, and another adition of the same name in shorter form is a bit clutersome. But it it's just my opinion, if you think it is not, you may put it back to the article. And I just wanted to assure you, that i do not have wish to completely Lithuanise Gediminas by removing other language forms from it's main article. Sorry, if this edit seemed too abrupt for you, jus I'm just tired of this ongoing Polish-Lithuanian "discussion", so looks like I began loosing temper sometimes. This wont happen again.-- Lokyz 13:05, 8 September 2006 (UTC)
I hope youll cease calling me a stalker. I have no bad intentions against Ghirla and hold him in high esteem for his Russia-related artciels. Yet where spheres of influence clash, I usually have to restore a delicate NPOV, and am happy with the compromise reached on the Muscovite Russia naming issue, though technically All-Russia was formed in the 17th century (at Poland's expense). Hope you understand and take this issue to heart. Regards, Truthseeker 85.5 21:13, 9 September 2006 (UTC)
PS Please join the discussion at Baranovichi (sic). Proof the above holds.
Thanks for your improvement there. Are you going to write something yourself, or are you going to emulate De Gaulle (called the "Sphynx" between 1946 and 1958, just check with grafik if you do not understand the comparison) and stay out of this fight and just leave people quoting you. Until, like the Sphynx, you have become indispensable at ArbCom?
It is not a joke, actually - my suggesting you to stay away there. I think that under the present conditions, we are fighting against windmills, because some people are hellbent on having Ghirla banned just long enough (and not one hour more) so as to get him to leave the project altogether. Have a look at this one.-- Pan Gerwazy 07:37, 10 September 2006 (UTC)
Hello - I'm sure you'll agree, on consideration, that your lengthy comment on RFA talk, which amounts to a list of complaints about Tony's behavior, has nothing to do with RFA. Please work it out on his user talk page or move it to dispute resolution; do not force it on unrelated community pages. — Dan | talk 07:58, 10 September 2006 (UTC)
"Removing a main source of disruption" cannot be accomplished by discussing it further at RFA talk. It can be accomplished with an Arbcom case. Don't replace your screed at RFA talk; its sole relevance to RFA lies in the fact that the actions of Tony's with which you take issue occurred there. This belongs at dispute resolution; you're free to continue avoiding that, so long as your dispute does not spread further into public venues of discussion. — Dan | talk 08:30, 10 September 2006 (UTC)
You cannot name people who have opinions different from yours as radicals, simple because their opinions are different. Nobody nominated you to be in the middle. Please, don't move the discussion from the subject to personalities. -- KPbIC 00:34, 12 September 2006 (UTC)
And this is funny part "I resolved hundreds of articles with good-faith opponents". So, if you resolved something, your opponent was good-faith opponent, and if you failed to resolve then... let me guess... your opponent was bad-faith opponent, wasn't he? My point is: "Don't mix your POV and NPOV". You are a good editor overall, but there are small specific problems. Actually, I was one of endorsers of the summary of Wikipedia:Requests for comment/Irpen. Any luck to see your response to that? -- KPbIC 00:53, 12 September 2006 (UTC)
It would be nice if you could save yours and my time, and avoid any personal attacks in the first place. This is what is putting both of us into the circles over the past. State your arguments on a subject, not on personalities. As simple as that. Here are the things to avoid:
And if you want to keep your ethics up to high standards, then it would be nice to stop bothering editors with requests to "re-evaluate" their votes [88] -- KPbIC 22:06, 12 September 2006 (UTC)
You may be interested in the conversation here [89] Regards Giano | talk 10:15, 12 September 2006 (UTC)
What's wrong with the article? I plan also to start articles Northern betrayal, Southern betrayal and Internal betrayal - note, all about Poland.-- Nixer 12:34, 14 September 2006 (UTC)
Dear Irpen: It is some time since I began contributing to the Wikipedia and we collaborated together on our Kostomarov piece (before I registered), and I was somewhat surprised to meet you again in Volodymyr Kubiyovych. But here we are. I appreciate your additions to the article. However, I think that you underestimate the limited tactical nature of Kubiyovych's collaboration with the Germans and are in too much of a hurry to write him off as a Nazi, or something like one. Now, I admit that am not an expert on Kubiyovych, or even on the Second World War, but from what I have read of his writings and about him, he seems to have been no fascist. Certainly, his memoirs read very well and he comes across in them as a civilized man. In these memoirs, he compares himself to the Soviet Ukrainian academics who were evacuated to Ufa during the war and, of course, collaborated with Stalin's regime. He implies by this, I think, that they both did what little they could for the Ukrainian people in those terrible days "when evil was most free."
As to the citations on K's moderate position on Ukrainian-Polish relations during the war, and his saving Jews during the war, these come from I. Pidkova and R. Shust, Dovidnyk z istorii Ukrainy, 2nd ed. (K, 2002), article on Kubiyovych, which is available on line and could be linked to this article. But I do not know how to do this and it would be good if someone could do it for me.
Finally, I have again smoothed out the English in the article and tried to "encyclopedize" the language, to use an expression that you once taught me with regard to Kostomarov, and of which, I think, Kubiyovych would approve..
Best wishes... Mike Stoyik 16:40, 14 September 2006 (UTC)
Hey Irpen. Just in case you weren't aware it was this post of mine to AN/I that triggered a larger awareness of what was going on with regards to the NAS article and thus lead within a day or so of other people getting involved to the ArbCom request. The main issue has decreased in proportion to the increase in awareness of the issue -- I guess editors are being more self-conscious with regards to how their actions can be perceived. If you go back in the archived of that article's talk page and content edit history to before September 8th, you'll see a distinctly different situation that what is there now. -- Ben Houston 19:13, 14 September 2006 (UTC)
Uh, Irpen, what're you doing to me, deleting the comment I responded to? [90] Didn't you get an edit conflict? Bishonen | talk 23:18, 14 September 2006 (UTC).
I think your level of aggression toward Tony Sidaway has grown a bit more intense than is appropriate for Wikipedia. — Bunchofgrapes ( talk) 02:31, 15 September 2006 (UTC)
Your removal of my comment from Giano's talk page is okay, and I appreciate your opinion. I think your judgement on this matter is okay. -- Tony Sidaway 05:24, 16 September 2006 (UTC)
As I have been absent for over three weeks there might have been instances where I could have missed something serious, what is going on with our images on the commons? What other issues were there? -- Kuban Cossack 15:52, 16 September 2006 (UTC)
The place sounds Russian... any ideas? All I get are wiki mirror hits.-- Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus | talk 18:29, 16 September 2006 (UTC)
Please see here. Tyrenius 21:44, 16 September 2006 (UTC)
hello. do you know if the Order of Victory exist today??
secondly, you know what are the two symbols on the left side in his jacket? http://www.awards-orel.ru/img/baluevskiy.jpg Superzohar 16:50, 18 September 2006 (UTC)
I request we all leave Tony Sidaway alone for the time being. He is indeed trying to take a limited break so let's let him do so. Lets just all go about our business and not further flame the situation. I would really appreciate it if you could comply with this polite request. Thanks.-- MONGO 22:26, 21 September 2006 (UTC)
An arbitration case has been submitted to review the actions surround the recent Giano case on AN. I've listed you as an involved party, and you may wish to view the case here. -- InkSplotch 18:05, 22 September 2006 (UTC)
Hello,
An Arbitration case involving you has been opened: Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/Giano. Please add any evidence you may wish the arbitrators to consider to the evidence sub-page, Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/Giano/Evidence. You may also contribute to the case on the workshop sub-page, Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/Giano/Workshop.
On behalf of the Arbitration Committee, MacGyverMagic - Mgm| (talk) 22:07, 24 September 2006 (UTC)
Note that the Library of Congress source link for the Image:Red Army fighter save us.jpg you uploaded has expired. Unfortunately, when you search the Library of Congress websites, the search results and links to them are kept for only a finite time. So, the only way to supply information about the image in a permanent way is to cut and paste the image reference numbers. This takes only seconds, but is a sure way to help find the image source in the future, if needed to verify the license. For an example, take a look at Image:Niels Bohr Date Unverified LOC.jpg, Balcer 07:49, 30 September 2006 (UTC)
Which strong statements are u talking about? Sosomk 02:12, 5 October 2006 (UTC)
Irpen, I don't expect you to find the original Polish newspaper. What I do expect is that you will create a proper cite.php ref footnote, with as much info as you can gather from Mirchiuk book. I was able to find out the names of three of four journals he quotes, the last one is in Jewish and I am not sure how to proceed in this case. PS. As I wrote on talk, please update the info with dates and if possible pages of the journals.-- Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus | talk 02:43, 5 October 2006 (UTC)
Thanks to you too. Always ready for cooperation.-- Kober 10:09, 6 October 2006 (UTC)
In fact an admin blocked me instead of Fisss three days ago for 48 hours. I know no way how to make him to discuss his changes.-- Nixer 18:34, 6 October 2006 (UTC)
Can you please restore the article which I was working on and which was deleted out of process by sysop TheProject. He advocated the action that the article is crystall ball, but in my view the topic is entirely valid (just as space colonization). The article was based on citations from a reputable research and I planned to add some more sources. Besides it is a major topic in science fiction.-- Nixer 11:13, 7 October 2006 (UTC)
Hi Irpen. Can I ask you to partially protect the Georgia (country) page because of repeated vandalism and offending POV pushing by a bunch of IPs? Thanks, -- Kober 18:17, 7 October 2006 (UTC)
Thanks. I've added citations to the map's image page. The map is unfortunately Mercator projection, which causes some distortion and may make Sviatoslav's empire look unrealistically big. Briangotts (Talk) (Contrib) 19:11, 11 October 2006 (UTC)
You, or anyone else, is free to contact the arbitration committee. The wholesale way is to mail to the arbcom-l list, arbcom-l@Wikipedia.org Fred Bauder 11:50, 13 October 2006 (UTC)
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My administratorship candidacy succeeded with a final tally of 81/0/1. I appreciate your support. Results are at Wikipedia:Recently_created_admins#Durova. Warmly, Durova 21:13, 17 October 2006 (UTC)
Hi, Irpen! Thanks much for creating the article on Admiral Makarov. I was going to do it for, well, almost a year now, but never got to it. Hopefully we'll develop it into something more than a stub it currently is. Ëzhiki (erinaceus europeaus) 21:03, Mar 18, 2005 (UTC)
One of the remarks I wanted to make is in regards to the transliteration of "Великий князь". As you undoubtedly know, there are millions of ways to transliterate any given Russian word. What you may not be aware of, is that we are trying to make sure that all Russian words used in Wikipedia conform to the same transliteration standard, which is described in this article. I am not saying this is the "final final" version everybody must stick to (and indeed, there is a discussion going on on its talk page trying to work out some details), nor I am saying that this is the only correct version in the whole world. It is, however, only logical to at least try using one transliteration system across all of Wikipedia to maintain consistency.
As per the articles guidelines, "великий князь" would be transliterated as "veliky knyaz" (see also knyaz).
Let me know if you have questions, and I am looking forward to working with you in future!— Ëzhiki (erinaceus europeaus) 21:03, Mar 18, 2005 (UTC)
Thanks for your compliments. I don't remember much more about Admiral Makarov than what I wrote in the stub. I agree with the need of consistency in transliteration. I think, however, that when some Russian term is already established in English, the established transliteration should take precedence of the letter by letter rule. My impression (not confirmed though a thorough search though) is that Kniaz iz a more common English usage of the Russian word Князь. However, the google counts for kniaz and knyaz are close enough, so my impression is rather subjective. Also, the article you refered me to gives two choices for transliteration of Великий as both Velikiy or Veliky. The former term seems better to me, but again this is rather subjective. What do you think? I would be happy to abide with a consensus decision in the future. Regards, Irpen 21:31, Mar 18, 2005 (UTC)
Hi Irpen. I dropped by to tell you that I disagree with one of your edits fiercely. FC Arsenal Kyiv is a contemporary club of independent Ukraine. Not to mention that it is free to name itself however they decide. Thus, you've gone too far in your Kiev edits. Don't cross the line of fighting Ukrainian language. So far, I've been tolerating and sometimes supporting your edits regarding you a cooperative discussing Wikifellow. It would be unpleasant changing my opinion on you. Best wishes, AlexPU
Replied at User_talk:AlexPU#Arsenal. Irpen 22:42, Mar 18, 2005 (UTC)
I don't know how the text doublicated. I had some "wikipedia is busy" message and reloaded. thanks for informing me and for reverting. I put the link again. Ben (talk) 15:44, Mar 21, 2005 (UTC)
Well, I don't know much enough on this subject to make any kind of decision either! I will, however, try to do some research on this when/if I have time. Sorry for not being of much help for now.— Ëzhiki (erinaceus europeaus) 18:36, Mar 21, 2005 (UTC)
Hi Irpen - I note that you've added a couple of new stub categories. While I think they will probably be useful, can I suggest that if you intend to add any more you check out Wikipedia: WikiProject Stub sorting/Criteria first? Quite a thorough debating process goes on before the creation of stub categories, to ensure that they fit in with current criteria. I suspect also that most stub sorters and editors wouldn't be able to tell which Russian history items were more correctly expressed as East Slavic history or vice versa (and stubs categories are primarily for the benefit of editors). what's more, the templates aren't correctly formed (they shouldn't remain in Category:Historical stubs if they are also in one of its subcategories). Grutness| hello? 02:42, 28 Mar 2005 (UTC)
The proposal to create these stubs was up for comments at Wikipedia talk:Russian wikipedians' notice board talk page for about a week. There was one response in support and none objecting. This forum is attended by many editors who frequently post in these topics. The reasons for a separate East-Slavic-history and Russian-history templates are given there too. East-Slavic-history-stub is for events that relate to the history of several East Slavic nations and will help to avoid controversies and reverts on whether it should be in, say, Russian or Ukrainian category when in fact it belongs to both and there seems to be a consensus that many stub templates per article is a bad style. I only created the stubs after giving time to editors to object and, sorry, I did not know about Wikipedia: WikiProject Stub sorting/Criteria page. Editors who would create new articles in the topics most likely will be able to tell which of the two categories are more appropriate. I am sorry, if I formed them incorrectly. I tried to follow the instructions at Wikipedia:Stub_categories. After creating the stubs I listed them at Wikipedia:Stub_categories and Wikipedia:WikiProject_Stub_sorting/Stub_types as per instructions. Sorry, if I made any mistakes. Irpen 03:24, Mar 28, 2005 (UTC)
You wrote: Sorry, I had to undo some of your changes because some articles you placed into East-Slavic-History-stub category should not be there, I think. BTW, what would you say about WWI and WWII history stubs?
You wrote: Sure, this can wait if you think it'd better to. As for mil-war-stub, I was thinking that there was a difference between articles that would best fit into mil-stub and those best tagged with mil-war-stub. But maybe it's better to stick with mil-stub. Anyway, I will wait if necessary, and once WW stubs are created, I will help in moving there some articles from other categories.
Hi again Irpen - I've just created {{ WWII-stub}}, and with any luck I'll add {{ WWI-stub}} later today. Grutness| hello? 00:04, 10 Apr 2005 (UTC)
It may have been my fault of not explaining this properly. East Slavs are only Russians, Belorussians and Ukrainians. Poles and Lithuanians are not East Slavs. Poland and Lithuania related articles may get the east-slavic-history-stub note only when the article is primarily about the events related to the three East-Slavic nations territories of the time when Poland and Lithuania dominated them.
Why are you accusing me of bad faith? I am perfectly willing to discuss whatever you like, wherever you like, so long as you are polite. And I havn't commited any sort of copyright vio! I found that accusation quite disturbing. Sam Spade 23:46, 6 May 2005 (UTC)
Irpen you are too high in the sky - You are not the cleverest man on Earth (unsigned by anon user)
Oh come on, I don't mind at all! As long as we keep civil discussion it's all right with me. Halibu tt 21:46, May 19, 2005 (UTC)
Thank you for the kind words. I do admit that WikiPortals are new to me, and I hope this works out. Zscout370 (Sound Off) 04:01, 21 May 2005 (UTC)
Offhand, I don't think your suggested merge of Rus' (people) is a good idea, though I might be wrong; please state your case rather than just adding the "merge" tag, and please see my comment at Talk:Rus' (people)#Merge?. -- Jmabel | Talk 01:23, May 26, 2005 (UTC)
Replied at Talk:Kiev#Kijów_in_Kiev_article - Irpen 18:59, Jun 9, 2005 (UTC)
Delete the unnecessary Russian name and none of my homies will bother you no more. Space Cadet 03:30, 10 Jun 2005 (UTC)
Stop the exadge! As if mentioning Kijów brought an actual "havoc" to anything! Shyaa...riiight! Logically if Danzig belongs in the Gdansk article, then Kijów belongs in Kiev! Unless you agree with the Britannica convention: current English name throughout, native name bolded in the first sentence, nothing else, unless in the "history" section. In the above case, however, help in getting rid of German names from Gdansk, Szczecin and Wroclaw articles. Your support of logic and common sense will be appreciated. Sincerely, Space Cadet 04:06, 10 Jun 2005 (UTC)
Dear Irpen, I'm not on any campaign per se, except of course the "campaign for logic, consistency and justice for all". Your "sobriety" remark was very rude. Your consistent ignoring of my point, only a little annoying. Tell me what you think about the way Britannica handles those issues. Space Cadet 04:40, 10 Jun 2005 (UTC)
I guess I wasn't sober, yesterday. Space Cadet 09:52, 10 Jun 2005 (UTC)
I think we should first fix the voting (survey) policy itself, otherwise, any new vote will suffer the same fate as Gdansk/Vote - i.e. resolve little. See Template_talk:Gdansk-Vote-Notice#Constructive_proposal for my proposal and arguments. -- Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus Talk 10:29, 12 Jun 2005 (UTC)
Did you know? has been updated. A fact from the article Garrison school, which you recently created, has been featured in that section on the Main Page. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently-created article, then please suggest it on the "Did you know?" talk page. |
I see nothing disputed in this page. -- Vasile 04:55, 14 Jun 2005 (UTC) I am not able to see what are the the statements and ideas really DISPUTED in the article. It's just a pretention of POV. -- Vasile 13:43, 14 Jun 2005 (UTC)
You definetely know nothing about the subject as you pretend. You just want make this article to disappear, disturbing and harassing anyone wants to edit this article. You don't respect the wikipedia rules and you should report yourself to the wikipedia staff. -- Vasile 18:31, 16 Jun 2005 (UTC)
Stop the propaganda. It ain't working! Obviously there are tons of people that disagree with you. The smartest way would have been to provide some proof along with your complaints but you did not do that.
So I will politely ask you to either adress the subject of Transnistria in a mature manner or stop herassing the discussion page. Duca
So that the Gdansk/Vote horror never repeats itself :) Please see the proposal at my userspace, it is an updated version of Template_talk:Gdansk-Vote-Notice#Constructive_proposal. After I hear (or not) and incorporate comments from you and several other users I know are interested in fixing this, I will officialy move this to Wikipedia:Village pump (policy) and I would like you to be one of the co-signatures of the proposal. -- Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus Talk 20:10, 13 Jun 2005 (UTC)
Thanks for the help! - Kazak 23:28, 23 Jun 2005 (UTC)
Hi, Irpen! I just thought you might be interested to comment on what's going with the article on Igor of Kiev. You may want to check User_talk:Dbachmann as well. -- Ghirlandajo 19:30, 26 Jun 2005 (UTC)
Hello! I think we need the new inobox for Ukrainian Oblasts. I inserted flag and CoA of Zhytomyr Oblast, but without an infobox it seems...
If you want - create this infobox, please- then I will try to find more flags and CoAs.
Secundo: Could you check English names for the raions in Zhytomyr Oblast. Cheers! Vuvar1 18:57, 26 Jun 2005 (UTC)
Hi! First let me say that I'm not going to pretend to know anything about the subject of this article, so I will not get involved in discussions on the content of the article. That said, when I saw the request for protection I felt that the parties involved here might benefit from me, as an outsider, monitoring the debate and intervening if necessary. My take on the situation at the moment is that there appears to be useful (if not always civil) discussion going on on the talk page for this article, and that the edit war on the article itself is not out of control. So I have chosen to take a low-key approach—making sure that editors are aware of, and stick to the the three revert rule, but not (yet) procecting the article. Protection at this point might cause a further hardening of positions rather than fostering compromise, however, if within the next day or so it looks like this strategy is not working I will protect the article (if no one else has done so before me). JeremyA 5 July 2005 04:37 (UTC)
Your only contribution in "dispute" is restoring tags. Please stop these obstructing manoeuvres, read more wiki-regulations and try something new. -- Vasile 11:46, 12 July 2005 (UTC)
It is hard for me to contibute anything useful to this discussion between editors who know much more on the topic than I do. However, what's wrong with Slavic name of Constantinople (Tsargrad) mentioned in this particular article. No one is talking about inserting it to every article. However, if there is a context to mention it in WP, there is nothing closer to it than this article. I don't understand why it was completely removed. Having it mentioned as a second name (with Constantinople as the first one) would still be OK, I think. Completely removing it from the middle of the article seems to me unwarranted. Any objections to restore it? - Irpen 03:33, Jun 27, 2005 (UTC)
When reverting anons, like you did in Crimea, please look into their contributions. From my experience a 69% of vandals are not satisfied with a single page. mikka (t) 29 June 2005 22:05 (UTC)
Hmmm, except for this edit, all his other contributions seem quite strange to me. Not that they were nonsensical, but they're simply badly worded and use the Polish names not in the historical context (as it is accepted) but in modern context (which hardly makes any sense). I see no reason not to revert - or at least reword his entries. Halibu tt July 1, 2005 10:31 (UTC)
(moved to Wikipedia:Votes for deletion/Old Ruthenia. mikka (t) 19:11, 19 July 2005 (UTC))
I was wondering if I would have no problems using photos from the website of the Ukrainian President and Ministry of Defense for my article on Hero of Ukraine? Zscout370 (Sound Off) 20:55, 20 July 2005 (UTC)
I just answered your question at Wikipedia:Wikiportal/Ukraine/Ukraine-related_Wikipedia_notice_board#Ukrainian_copyright_law.27s_very_important_excemption. Thanks for raising the issue. I am sure it would be good to know for others too. Cheers, - Irpen 00:53, July 21, 2005 (UTC)
I think I read this in Jasienica, with colorful descriptions of buildings full of severed heads awaiting Mazepa and such. I can find the book and check it if you want. -- Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus Talk 22:59, 20 July 2005 (UTC)
What exactly did he and Kuchma do to "devaluate" the Hero of Ukraine titles? Zscout370 (Sound Off) 07:53, 24 July 2005 (UTC)
Thanks, I am trying to make a fork article/list with everyone who was presented with the title, regardless of they got the Gold Star or State order. I also noticed you presented someone on here with the Hero of Ukraine medal. Zscout370 (Sound Off) 01:07, 26 July 2005 (UTC)
Another topic, I think I figured out what some of the Law passed in 2002 by Kuchma [1] is saying (I should add uk-1 to my babel template). The last three things talk about the design of the decorations. The miniature medal, comparing the other decorations I worked on, is most likely the wearer's copy I mentioned about. And the decorations have not changed at all in design or composition. Zscout370 (Sound Off) 04:53, 26 July 2005 (UTC)
Even though I do not have much time to work on the article right now, I will happily translate whatever you need. The simple translation from ru/ua languages for another user (not to be placed directly into the article) that I do not have polish don't take much time at all. Just ask and send links. -- Irpen 05:38, July 26, 2005 (UTC) P.S. I think we are not yet close to the stage to submit the article for featured candidates, but we'll get there. Thanks again for your enthusiazm to RU/UA topics. Cheers,-- Irpen 05:38, July 26, 2005 (UTC)
Hi Irpen, I thought you might be interested to know that I've just started an article about "Wisła" Action. It's not much yet, and I plan to considerably develop it in near future. However, if you are willing to contribute or simply watch progress of this article, you're very welcome. -- SylwiaS 12:16, 27 July 2005 (UTC)
I got the drawing of the medal that you wanted. Zscout370 (Sound Off) 23:53, 27 July 2005 (UTC)
Thanks for your efforts, but as I said, User:Witkacy is a troll. This edit should quell any doubts about that. Tomer TALK 12:18, July 31, 2005 (UTC)
Tnx for the translation! -- Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus Talk 10:37, 1 August 2005 (UTC)
Большую часть текста я взял с официального сайта, поэтому возможно что и не везде НТЗ. С удовольствием прийму участие в обсуждении данного вопроса. -- Untifler 16:29, 2 August 2005 (UTC)
Hi. Have you considered voting for it? Wikipedia:Featured article candidates/Hero of Ukraine. Sashazlv 03:53, 11 August 2005 (UTC)
Hey Irpen. To let you know, I have replaced this image with a jpg image at Image:Order_Friendship_of_Peoples.jpg. Because of this, I have put your image up for deletion at WP:IFD. FYI, we should upload photographs as .jpg files instead of png files. Zscout370 (Sound Off) 00:39, 13 August 2005 (UTC)
Thank you, I didn't know this portal ! :) -- Bogatyr 16:42, 14 August 2005 (UTC)
Thanks for supporting my RFA. It couldn't have happened without your effort. FeloniousMonk 18:22, 15 August 2005 (UTC)
Thanks for the comments. I implemented your suggestions on the Lubomyr Cardinal Husar page. Let me know what you think of the changed text. Pmadrid 23:46, 25 August 2005 (UTC)
I had to fix up the template/portal due to it changing name spaces and due to lack of activity. I will not do the same for the Russian portal, unless it is requested. Zscout370 (Sound Off) 04:54, 28 August 2005 (UTC)
Мы мирные люди...
(но наш бронепоезд
стоит на запасном пути)
--
Irpen 05:07, August 28, 2005 (UTC)
RU/UA portals were moved by scripts, I think. All subpages were moved too, so everything is fine. As for reader-friendlyness, I agree that it's just not too many people doing anything at all. The new articles are well announced and sometimes there is some communication on another board, but that's about it. Unupdated news make a pity impression. The rest could also be improved. Unfortunately, I am almost alone at UA-portal with other participants showing up less and less. RU, portal, to the contrary, is very active. Just check its new article's board. Maybe it's good, for what it's worth, to ask at the portal's talk. If you do, I will make sure it is noticed. I am glad you came over this silly fights with prudes. I am also glad to see that you seem no too upset by their sockpuppet allies. Read the verse above one more time :) (бронепоезд is and armored train, BTW) -- Irpen 05:18, August 28, 2005 (UTC)
Well, it goes further than that we're just peaceful :). It says that "we are peaceful people but our armored train is parked at the reserve track" :) Have a good one! -- Irpen 05:43, August 28, 2005 (UTC)
Ghirlandajo's massive deletions can not be considered to be anything but vandalism. There had long been a request for the inclusion of material from Rus' (people) and when I added relevant information under the paragraph "earliest evidence" he just mass removed everything. That is not an acceptable attitude to editing an article, and simple vandalism.
I do not take pleasure by arguing with Russians about their earliest history, and FYI, I am married to a Russian woman, and I have a Russian history professor as a mother-in-law. Unfortunately, my strong Russian connections, and my interest in medieval Scandinavian history makes it important for me that this part of Russo-Scandinavian history is treated fairly.-- Wiglaf 23:28, 29 August 2005 (UTC)
Thanks for supporting my request for administrator powers, which has been successful. If you have any questions or concerns, please contact me on my talk page. Thanks again! Scimitar parley 17:09, 1 September 2005 (UTC)
I'm really not sure if it makes sense to continue this chat on the article's talk page, therefore I'm responding here. I'm not a Belarusia myself, but from what I've heard they were complaining that "Belorussia" was coined by tsarist ochrana, and then further exploited by Soviet propagandists, primarilty to make an impression in the West, that "BeloRussia" is just some kind of "Russia", so this was clearly attached to Russian ideology of imperialism. They also accused Moscovites of stealing the word "Rus" from Kievan Rus (or actually from Ukraine this time). I don't know how much truth there is to it, but particularly the Belarusians that I knew were quite grave about this. You'd probably know better about the Ukraine. Are you Russian, by the way ? I meant no offence. -- Lysy ( talk) 22:57, 5 September 2005 (UTC)
Sure, there are some who take offense on things. In Ukraine, for example, there are fringe circles who still call things that are Russian as "Muscovite" and refuse to apply the Rus-rooted word on principle. I only said that this attitude isn't typical. Also, Lysy, please check your mailbox. -- Irpen 06:27, September 6, 2005 (UTC)
I don't mind you changed it. If Khrushchev's ethnical background is not clear, be it so. I think, Korolev is a person prominent enough to replace him. Voyevoda 17:35, 5 October 2005 (CET)
Hello, I am wondering if you could help me with a problem I have encountered. A certain "Kurt Leyman" in the Stalingrad artcile keeps changing the Red Army casualties into the millions. The number given by William Craig (and the numbers I use) in his well-respected "Enemy at the Gates" is 850000 Axis military, 750000 Soviet military, and 40000 Soviet civilain casualties, while Leymann never offers any sources for his numbers. In addition, he never comments on his edits and never responds on his user talk page (there have been many other complaints against him). Also, Kurt Leymann has been deleting the passage about the losses of the German sattelites for no apparent reason - thus I am forced to correct him far too often. Is there any way to stop him from doing this? Kazak 01:51, 7 October 2005 (UTC)
RfC can be used if the situation gets out of hand but this unsourced intrusion may not require it. Just revert and let me know if you are approaching a 3RR limit. So that I will revert him when you can't. I will keep an eye but can't promise to me quick on my own. I have my hands full with several disputes right now. In any case I will try to help and don't hesitate to drop me a note. -- Irpen 02:23, 7 October 2005 (UTC)
I'm not sure if you saw this from yesterday; since there was some vandalism afterwards it is possible that it got lost in the shuffle. Some, but not all, of it has been addressed. It looks rather POV to me... Olessi 18:32, 13 October 2005 (UTC)
As personal attack. I only wanted AndriyK to know that I find diversity of opinions of value to keep articles neutral and rich in information otherwise unknown to other users.My comment was in now way connected to you. -- Molobo 17:50, 9 November 2005 (UTC)
Your stupid homeboy called me a "demented spaceman", but I don't see you reprimanding him! Another thing: did my "rm nonsensical chauvinistc claims" comment really mislead you? When I removed a loose "r"? Thought you were smarter than that. Space Cadet 20:53, 11 November 2005 (UTC)
You are mistaken. I did talk to him about this in the past and it is not my business to tell adult people what to do more than once, unless I am dealing with activity that hurts the articles themsleves, like vandalism and POV issues. However, I would not have gone to your talk page just to reprimand you for inflamatory summaries in the first place. For me, having to waste my time checking the edits when you only corrected the typo was a more significant issue. I never go to check edits marked (m - typo) when I know the editor as a reasonable person. -- Irpen 21:23, 11 November 2005 (UTC)
I believe you would be interested in checking the latest entry on Molobo's talk. Dab clearly states that RfC is an important prerequisite for RfAr. Can you check it for me? Thanks, Ghirlandajo 01:45, 19 November 2005 (UTC)
Chernihiv article has only external links. If external links are in fact references, they should be labeled them as such, as they are not the same thing. I have been following the ( Wikipedia:Cite_sources#External_links.2FFurther_reading which states clearly that ==External links== or ==Further reading== section is placed after the references section, and offers books, articles, and links to websites related to the topic that might be of interest to the reader, but which have not been used as sources for the article. Thus I concluded that if article has only elinks or further reading, it has no references, and this template should be added. See also Wikipedia:WikiProject Fact and Reference Check.-- Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus Talk 05:17, 25 November 2005 (UTC)
Hello! There have been a number of recent extensive edits to the Kaliningrad Oblast article. The additions look to be in good faith, but I am not terribly familiar with the great amount of Lithuanian history presented now. I also am not sure if that article is the proper place for that content. You might be interested in taking a look at it. Olessi 21:17, 17 August 2005 (UTC)
I'm concerned that you've added references to a weekly magazine articles to Polish-Soviet War article. While I have nothing against this particular weekly (and I admin I do not know it), I doubt if a popular magazine features research articles that qualify for encyclopedic references in a historical article. What do you think ? -- Lysy ( talk) 21:35, 28 August 2005 (UTC)
Irpen, thanks for the nice welcome message:) I will try to contribute more to the topics, and I hope we can get along. You will notice every once in a while that I am a staunch Russophile, and do not hesitate to point out the errors of my ways when I talk about THE Ukraine...;)
-- Dietwald 13:22, 17 September 2005 (UTC)
Hi, can you help me with translating his biography in Talk:Yuriy_Yekhanurov? There is some popular demand for that. Sashazlv 03:20, 23 September 2005 (UTC)
Hi, I had a very difficult week and could not answer the e-mail earlier.
I think what you say makes sense.
I also recall my late grandfather telling me that his mother instructed him and his sisters to stay at home and beware of strangers. Those strangers were hungry and dying peasants (and their children) who flooded Kherson from neighboring communities. The grandfather was about 10-11 at that time. He told me the story some time before the collapse of SU (in fact, he died in 1991): without witnesses and I wasn't supposed to share it.
I don't know exactly where the grandfather's family originated from. I heard that his mother fled with children from either Donetsk or Luhansk regions, where they had a farm (khutor). In order to avoid persecution. No details about exact location and time are available. In the process, they modified their last name and, apparently, the mother concealed the details from the children.
Strangely enough, I haven't heard the story from the other grandfather's family. His parents lived in a village between Nikolayev and Kherson. One of the reasons may be that they were very reluctant to share the memories.
Best, Sashazlv 21:55, 23 September 2005 (UTC)
"Rm nonsensical chauvinistic claims" is my standard comment for fixing typos, missing punctuation or spelling errors. I just like the sound of it. This time I corrected "past" to "passed". The "three hundred years" comment I deleted by mistake. Sorry to have startled you. Kasmicheskiy Pyeshyekhod aka Space Cadet 17:54, 29 October 2005 (UTC)
Space, this discussion is only about the other names to be mentioned in the second line and nothing else. The rest we can decide separately. What do you say then? -- Irpen 19:08, 29 October 2005 (UTC)
I'll say I'll stick to the way Britannica does it! Space Cadet 21:13, 29 October 2005 (UTC)
No Russian wiki article (interlink)? -- Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus Talk 03:04, 8 November 2005 (UTC)
User:Molobo's unrestrained chauvinism constrained me to make some harsh editing on Russophobia, but I'm afraid it's the only language our Polish friends understand. Trusting your expertise in wikilaws, may I ask your advice as to whether his/her endless and pointless reverts on Belovezhskaya Pushcha (I don't know why the Polish name is preferred here) should be classified as a 3RR violation? -- Ghirlandajo 15:56, 9 November 2005 (UTC)
-- Molobo 16:48, 9 November 2005 (UTC)
Anyway, we are not kids and we all know that it has been a favourite Polish strategem for centuries - to drive wedges between East Slavic nations, which have been speaking the same language up to the 16th century at least.
Ekhem ? What are you saying that I am part of some conspiracy ?
The West Slavs have had different destinies
And your constant classfification of various diverse nations such as Poles or Czechs as some Slavs(which are just language group really) with alledged unfied goals and policies.) Sorry but this is hilerious.
--
Molobo 17:03, 9 November 2005 (UTC)
I found a Ukrainian beer with a picture of Semen Paliy on its logo. What would be a copyright status of this picture and is it possible to use it in the article ? Thank in advance for any info. Fisenko 18:47, 16 November 2005 (UTC)
In principle, I agree. Editors must use their resources efficiently. Changing name ordering for its own sake is a waste of scarce time.
However, such a policy may be hard (if at all possible) to enforce. There are too few people who work on Ukrainian articles. And such people may be more productive if they spend time elsewhere rather than check whether other users voluntarily follow the policy.
So, don't worry too much about it. Reasonable people will follow the policy. And there's nothing we can do about unreasonable users. Sashazlv 15:56, 12 August 2005 (UTC)
Do you think we could make this Featured, with some work? Zach (Sound Off) 04:34, 22 September 2005 (UTC)
Sorry, I was not editing for some days. I will look into it. Thanks! -- Irpen 05:41, 2 October 2005 (UTC)
Dear Irpen, I invite you to answer some questions about L'viv on Talk:Lviv -- Gutsul
Hi, i don't view your work as "Українофобія" and you can delete this paragraph afterwards. So, please, excuse my if i hurt your feelings. I have written "Українофобія?" which means that i was not sure about your goals. I analyzed your contributions and have found some things which can be classified as anti-ukrainian propaganda (for instance: "Ukrainian language is underdeveloped"). If you write in English wikipedia about Ukraine you should use not only russian (ex USSR) sources but also ukrainian and english one. I advise you to read Encyclopedia of Ukraine, works of ukrainian historian Mykhailo Hrushevsky. History of Ukraine is very difficult and has a lot of "gray zones". You should understand that english-talking users to 95% have no knowledge about Ukraine and can't check your information. English wikipedia is already arena of russian-ukrainian information war and i don't like it.
Good luck! -- Gutsul 09:12, 8 October 2005 (UTC)
Could you look on the page ? Right now it makes even Partitions of Poland seem a reaction to Russophobia :) Not to mention it doesn't seem to source any of the various serious claims. It also lists Serbs, Orthodox religion etc.Both of which fit into other articles (leaving aside if they are true or not). -- Molobo 16:48, 9 November 2005 (UTC)
I will look at the article soon. I would have anyway. Thanks. -- Irpen 17:17, 9 November 2005 (UTC)
Irpen, yes. I undertood you well. I left AlexPU a comment which I hope he'll read as an objective and calm one. Will he take it to RfC? I don't think so, esp. if he's guilty of similar behaviour.
However, the remarks are another thing, and I am really sick of it. I believe that people can talk about articles without leaving offending remarks, and I've read enough of them already (not only the ones made by Ghirlandajo). I know that people are sometimes frustrated by other users, but they should think twice before pushing the post button. I don't know if or how Ghirlandajo will react, but I'm just not going to read things like that anymore without saying a word. Also, if you don't mind, I'd like to write you something in an email. -- SylwiaS 04:23, 24 November 2005 (UTC)
I invite to join a very heated discusion on the Talk: List of Ukrainians regarding whether the list may continue as it is or must be purged of all, or almost all, non-ethnic Ukrainians. It will be nice a have another sane voice in the debate.-- Pecher 10:40, 27 November 2005 (UTC)
I'm wondering why you deleted the edits by Jkelly and others about Wc3forum.tk. You said they were strange, but they were legitimate complaints about an article he wrote which later got deleted. - Mgm| (talk) 10:02, 2 December 2005 (UTC)
I've been in touch with that user several times over several articles and I had an impression that User:Iopq is a reasonable editor with an interest to contribute. I was surprized to see the harsh words and I thought of them, as possibly, unjustified. I wanted to check and followed the link to the article over which the argument was only to find out that the article was deleted. As such, I had no way of checking what this was all about and, since I have reasons to assume good faith from the user from my past experiences, I deleted what seemed to me a strange intrusion to his talk page. If I was mistaken, I would like to apologize. As I wrote in my edit, I don't mind the restoration of what I deleted. -- Irpen 02:57, 3 December 2005 (UTC)
Hi. I mentioned you (peripherally) in my summary at Wikipedia:Requests_for_comment/Iopq. It is currently uncertified. In the case that a second user certifies it, you may wish to add any appropriate feedback as an "Outside view". Thanks. Jkelly 03:27, 3 December 2005 (UTC)
Saying allegations isn't the same as saying "a report from Jane's" a credible and well respected source of information.So I do think the changes do have an influence on the quality of the article.By adding Jane's we improve the value of information. -- Molobo 20:18, 5 December 2005 (UTC)
Why did you delete my comment on Talk:Patriarch Filaret (Mykhailo Denysenko)? Please restore it.-- AndriyK 15:49, 9 December 2005 (UTC)
Where do you stand on the conflict on Snake Island? How do you feel about Southern Basarabia and Northern Bukovina? Do you think it was unfair for Soviet to take the land away from Romania, or was it fair? -- Anittas 06:50, 27 December 2005 (UTC)
We're not editing any articles now and I don't think you can criticize me for being biased on the Bukovina article. Also, the situation on these Iroquis and Mohegans that you mention is a bit different. They don't have their own state. I agree that history is not "fair", but I still wanted your opinion; but it's cool. -- Anittas 07:18, 27 December 2005 (UTC)
My main problem with describing the Theotokos of Vladimir as one of the most exquisite icons created is that it sounds like an opinion on the part of the article's author -- something we generally steer clear of. Could we source it, do you think? It's certainly exquisite, so it should be no problem finding someone of note and reputation who says so. Philip Arthur 06:25, 10 August 2005 (UTC)
Thanks for spotting that...must have reverted in between when I viewed the page and when I protected it :) Ral 315 WS 22:59, 22 October 2005 (UTC)
Ok I want to create a massive web portal on all metro systems of the USSR and I am writing to you because of your position and experience, and I think you can give this project the impulse it needs to take off. Я тебя лично приглашаю на форум метролюбителей и надеюсь тебя там увидеть. Kuban kazak 15:00, 23 October 2005 (UTC)
Hello Irpen, thank you for helping settle the conflict over the use of the History template. Your energy, calm and persuasiveness played extremely important role and helped, beyond words. Thanks! Now that I was thinking over what has happened there, let me throw a suggestion: how about we change the title of the template from "History of Russia" to "History of Russia series"? And same for the template History of Ukraine which you created? Or maybe "this article is part of the series History of ..."? I think this can help (newcomers especially) better understand the role and significance of these templates just from looking at it. I checked Wikipedia:Series_templates and Wikipedia:List of article series; the templates differ in format and in their contents, but I really like the looks and the intelligence of, for example, the template:History of Greece in Byzantine Empire. Also, the "in series" templates in History of Australia, History of Poland look great - to name just a few. I'd post this suggestion at the noticeboards and see what people have to say. What do you think? Cheers! - Introvert talk 09:12, 2 November 2005 (UTC)
As you observed, I'm exceptionally firm with those people who think it's okay to revert war. That means, unfortunately that the bystanders sometimes get hurt - Ghirlandajo also violated the policy, instead of asking for administrator intervention. As I'm aware of his good faith, I blocked him for only half the time. I'm sure he can accept it amiably. Rob Church Talk 17:05, 4 November 2005 (UTC)
Irpen - could you explain the situation to me more fully? I'm not sure I understand what the discussion is about. john k 00:12, 5 November 2005 (UTC)
Irpen, sorry to abuse your page for mentoring an alien from outta space. On a more positive side, I found a quotation I had been talking about. It is in the Britannica entry on Tsar Alexis: "His main fault was weakness; throughout most of his reign, matters of state were handled by favourites, some of whom were incompetent or outright fools". What a pity they didn't name a single one. -- Ghirlandajo 21:31, 11 November 2005 (UTC)
I neder said that EB is infallable. What I meant was that, unlike Wikipedia, EB is peer reviewed by academics and we can be sure that what it writes is within the mainstream. Of course this doesn't guarantee a complete neutrality and infallability. -- Irpen 22:05, 11 November 2005 (UTC)
Please have a look at Michael's announcement Portal:Ukraine/New article announcements#Announcements and take it into account when making comments to your edits.
We were discussed the first paragraph of Ukrainian language at my talk page. I explained you my view. Why do you type "rv unexplained reversion,..." in your comment? [5] Is it nice to misinform your colleagues? Please be fair next time.-- AndriyK 09:24, 15 November 2005 (UTC)
P.S. BTW, "revert bully" [6] is not appropriate in the comment either. You should respect your colleagues.-- AndriyK 09:29, 15 November 2005 (UTC)
Originally I wrote the line articles with Russian translits, however another user AndriyK (who you might have come across before, who has a tendency of not actually writing any articles but changing their translits), has decided (even though I asked him to wait with tranlits) to move the line articles to ukranian tranlits. As I know commenced to creating templates the issues with two spellings became an absoloute bugger, I tried to revert to Russian translit but wiki wont let me, so I had to change the spelling. Can someone unlock my original translit and change it (no space before after dash).
Please note that links to disambiguation pages from the articles are discauraged. I is very inconvenient for the reader, if s/he gets a list of terms instead of the appropriate article. It is often not clear wich of several terms should be chosen. Why do you mess up the links I have recently corrected?-- AndriyK 16:34, 22 November 2005 (UTC)
Was the river renamed very recently? If no, please revert your changes in the article Pereiaslav-Khmelnytskyi.-- AndriyK 15:29, 23 November 2005 (UTC)
Please do not ignore my message. Trubezh is another river. Why do you link the article to the wrong place?-- AndriyK 15:44, 23 November 2005 (UTC)
I was not sure where to write. Let's try here. Thank you for comments and links. Here is my answer and reasoning: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Ukrainian_subdivisions#On_WP_naming_conventions I assume, community here closed this topic already, but let's see what you think on my reasoning. I did only minor changes in the [Dnipro]. Better would be to change name of course... :) but lets discuss first.-- Bryndza 22:38, 24 November 2005 (UTC)
Irpen, hi. This is your post from one of the discussion. I just use it to support next questions: do you check all Ukrainian names in the news before posting them on WP? Why press has such high credibility in your eyes? This "red" line - "usage of the name in media" and "not to dissapoint Anglophones by correct pelling" goes through all your posts. I ask again (my questions on Naming Conventions are still unaswered), why these two factors must determine everything (like in this case - wrong spelling of poor guy Hryhorenko must stay because there are more mistakes in the press than correct spellings. Why do we have redirects then in WP?). And how do you see evolution of proper names if you support wrong ones yourself?
P.S. I stopped writing anything to English WP, I just read talks. So far my impression - even Poles on Polish WP are much more tolerant in articles on "hot" for them Ukrainian topics than people here.-- Bryndza 02:22, 27 November 2005 (UTC)
OK, Irpen, you can discuss on my page if you like. Or wherever you see more convenient, just keep an eye on the talk somehow. We are fighting with Kazak now on Talk:Kuban Cossacks. Please see and read the paragraph that he is triyng to push. Do you agree with it? About templates - I have no problems to take care of all Kyiv metro system templates and tables. But you know my conditions. And as I understand, you agree, that names should be in Ukrainian. I would like to work with Kazak in the articles. Templates - me. Text - him.-- Bryndza 05:31, 29 November 2005 (UTC) If you like - remove this post.
Hi Irpen,
Can you put in some words about this? [ [7]] - someone said that there is nothing in the laws that state that this image is under fair use. As far as I can tell under Ukrainian copyright laws, it falls under fair use because of one of the articles. Can you assign a proper copyright tag to this? mno 20:33, 30 November 2005 (UTC)
Ghirlandajo is out of control. Mediation and input from more Eastern Europeans editors is needed before he managse to portray this as some kind of Polish-Russian war. Your input would be appreciated.-- Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus Talk 22:58, 1 December 2005 (UTC)
Hello. I just thought such move could have solved the dispute which was then in place, I did not thought that someone could object the new name I have proposed as it was self descriptive and probably the only way to describe exactly *those* territories (and it seems that two other users as well moved or tried to move the same article in few last weeks without discussing). I did not create artificial history, but deleted spaces in redirects (at first I, due to copying and pasting the redirect, incidently wrote "Redirect New name" with space instead of "Redirect New name"). Now I noticed that my solution was not approved by the other people, therefore I will disucuss and think of other proposals which, I hope, will work better; I like to solve neutrality disputes in Wikipedia. Kaiser 747 09:42, 14 December 2005 (UTC)
Hi and thanks for a warm wellcome on my talk page. Ukrained 17:20, 14 December 2005 (UTC)
I restored the image Image:Lipovan monument.jpg from a mirror site and rv the edit to Lipovans. I deleted the image because the uploader had not made a contribution in a few months and I figured the odds of them showing up and sourcing the image were small. The speedy delete process for no source images does not require posting on the articles talk page. That would be too time consuming and we would never get rid of the backlog of no source images. Although, I might consider doing that on some of the nicer images like this one - Nv8200p talk 20:37, 15 December 2005 (UTC)
An image or media file that you uploaded, Image:Lipovan monument.jpg, has been listed at Wikipedia:Images and media for deletion. Please look there to see why this is (you may have to search for the title of the image to find its entry), if you are interested in it not being deleted. Thank you. |
You've got 7 days to find a source and tag properly. - Nv8200p talk 20:37, 15 December 2005 (UTC)
Images are back. Please source and tag or they will have to be deleted. - Nv8200p talk 05:43, 16 December 2005 (UTC)
Hi. Take a look at here. Wishes, Ukrained 12:07, 21 December 2005 (UTC)
Hi. Take a look at the article's naming issue and its recent moves. Your comment is welcome. -- Ghirlandajo 09:25, 22 December 2005 (UTC)
Just thought you might be interested to follow the links:
Hi. I agreed with your criteria for inclusion of Ukrainians in List of Ukrainians. There is an edit war going on with me and User:Pecher over the inclusion of ethnic Poles (and a few others) born in the territory of Ukraine but having no cultural or linguistic connection with Ukraine. Can you please support me in my exclusion of these people from the list, as they are in no way Ukrainian. I wish for this edit war to end. Thanks. Antidote
You do realise that my talk page is not the place for you to bicker on - you have your own talk pages for that. Izehar 19:59, 30 December 2005 (UTC)
I think that sparing the 3RR blocks was not a mistake - the amount of tormenting Ghirla has had on his talk page is proof of that. I understand that he is very unpopular over at the Romanian and Polish fronts, but that immature behavior is unacceptable - I wonder who all those anons really are. David seems to think that 3RR blocks were more appropriate in this case - my latest advice to him was to turn a blind eye. Anyway, Ghirla and Anittas will be back tomorrow, so the revert war will resume. Izehar 21:46, 30 December 2005 (UTC)
Hi,
I never thought this would even be considered. Please, have a look at http://business.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,9075-1962714,00.html.
I object to the very idea in strongest terms. I agreed to write articles for free under an implicit condition that noone would be allowed to make money on my contributions. Otherwise, I should be entitled to a share in profits and profit distribution in this particular case is technically not feasible.
If Mr. Wales had this idea from the very beginning, I would have to reluctantly conclude that Wikipedia project is a fraud.
I will destroy my contributions as soon as they post the first add and suggest that you do the same.
Sincerely, Sashazlv 08:13, 31 December 2005 (UTC)
Too early -- maybe, but you never know. Placing an ad is not a technically challenging task. Since he controls the charitable organization that owns the hardware - who are we to prevent him from turning the thing into a money-making device? In any event, I would not want to participate in a commercial project for free. And I am just pissed off by the very fact he even considers a change in the rules of the game. Sashazlv 08:37, 31 December 2005 (UTC)
Check User talk:Zscout370. They started threatening me. Here comes the disillusionment. So fast. Sashazlv 08:45, 31 December 2005 (UTC)
Frankly, I am strongly for placing the ads on wikipedia. I would prefer to see some modest avertisements (kinda sponsored links on Google) than the current fundraizer. I have already donated $100 that could spent elsewhere. I franky find annoying to have to pay to work on usable project and prefer somebody else to fund wikipedia activities. Wikipedia needs a lot of hardware, more paid developers (than two fulltimers as now) and, probably, some prize money for sysadmins and editors. Jimbo Wales made a good project, usefull for the entire humankind and deserve to have some money either (at least on par with the creators of junk dotcoms)
abakharev 12:42, 31 December 2005 (UTC)
Anybody knows if there is any Wikipedia namespace page discussing the pros and cons as add, as well as the current developments? When I saw this article I did a quick search but couldn't find anything concrete.-- Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus Talk 17:07, 31 December 2005 (UTC)
It may not be up your alley, but very few people have came through RfC I posted about History of the World, and there is a slow but pointless revert war there (see Talk:History_of_the_World#Graph_straw_poll), so I am now down to asking fellow Wikipedians to take a look if you have time and will.-- Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus Talk 17:07, 31 December 2005 (UTC)
Thanks for the note. I don't remember having written the content myself, but it's possible. The sentence removed by CJK refers to the work of some Western Cold War scholars who argue that the U.S. had tacitly (looking back I see that the sentence needs a note that the pressure was tacit, not explicit) used its nuclear monopoly to attempt to threaten and intimidate Stalin. The most notable work on that subject has dealt with the U.S. decision to use atomic weapons against Japan. First, there was British physicist P.S.M. Blackett as early as 1948, who wrote in Fear, War, and the Bomb that the destruction of Hiroshima and Nagasaki was "not so much the last military act of the second World War as the first major operation of the cold diplomatic war with Russia." Later, Gar Alperovitz wrote a scholarly account of the Blackett thesis in his Atomic Diplomacy (1965). Now, regarding the military history of the Soviet Union article, I wouldn't favor the removal of the sentence myself, but I don't think it's worth the fight with CJK to restore it. The sentence isn't really important for the development of the rest of the article; and it does lend itself to the possibility of steering editors off the topic of the article to a discussion of the historiography of the Cold War. Further, I see that CJK does have a point in removing the sentence, in that it may likely generate misunderstandings, especially among U.S. readers. At any rate, thanks for letting me know about the edit. 172 07:35, 3 January 2006 (UTC)
The problem with the current wording is that it suggests that the Soviets were aggressively threatened by Truman with nukes, which I believe is untrue. In fact, it would be more accurate the other way around.
172 suggests that the "threat" was created by dropping the nukes on Japan, but that is merely an opinion which is impossible to prove, and therfore does not belong as a fact. CJK 21:17, 4 January 2006 (UTC)
Please, have a look at the article. I added there some information from Polish sources, but probably you can have more to say. Also, I translated some Ukrainian names from Polish into English. Maybe they have other equivalents.-- SylwiaS | talk 19:12, 4 January 2006 (UTC)
Hi Irpen, to check whether an IP is an open proxy, you must configure your PC to use that IP as a proxy. If it works and you can edit through it, then it is an open proxy; if it displays an error message, then it isn't an open proxy. My advice to you though, do not revert their contributions; Mikkalai and Ghirlandajo did that and they both got blocked for violating the three-revert rule. If you find an IP is an open proxy, bear in mind that it's probably a sockpuppet and report it to WP:AN or tell an administrator so that they can block it. Izehar 14:17, 9 January 2006 (UTC)
I think it is an open proxy, and User:Kelly Martin, who has CheckUser Access told me that if I can edit through an IP, then it is an open proxy and should be indefinitely blocked. Are we sure it's Bonaparte though. It could be anyone impersonating him. Izehar 21:43, 13 January 2006 (UTC)
Unfortunately, there's nothing I can do. I may suspect it's Bonaparte, but I cannot block after one abusive edit summary - especially considering the "productive" edits made. I would block it, if I could prove it's an open proxy, but I can't. I'll try again and we'll see. I see very little point in blocking individual proxies - he comes back with a different one every time. Izehar 23:01, 13 January 2006 (UTC)
Sorry, I deleted your message at Talk:Khreschatyk by mistake.-- AndriyK 18:23, 18 January 2006 (UTC)
He replaced my entry with his. This was inapropriate and was reverted. Once you posted it properly, I didn't erase it. I welcome any checkuser, including on myself. To be called AndriyK's sockpuppet was rather bemusing. -- Irpen 00:44, 20 January 2006 (UTC)
Irpen, would you please rephrase that very phrase in Viktor Medvedchuk in an NPOV way? My English feels bad today... Thanks, Ukrained 21:24, 25 January 2006 (UTC)
LOL -- Ghirla | talk 15:22, 26 January 2006 (UTC)
By the way, please do other editors a favour and archive this page. It takes quite some time to upload. Thanks, Ghirla | talk 15:24, 26 January 2006 (UTC)
I like it! One question: you mentioned boards on my talk page... where are they? mno
See Wikipedia talk:Wikiportal/Ukraine re double edit. Sashazlv 7 July 2005 06:46 (UTC).
I also very well understand what is behind your editings and would like to remind you that Wikipedia is not a propaganda machine. Any wrong information should be removed from the articles and, be sure, it will be removed. This my positive contribution to the Wikipedia. It improves the quality of the resource, because wrong information is much worse than lack of information. If you are not agree and would like put the information back, please folow the Wikipedia_official_policy and cite a cite credible sources. Switch yourself to a constructive work, it will help you to find mutural understanding with most of Wikipedians, including myself.-- AndriyK 07:44, 6 October 2005 (UTC)
You both must really have guts to say this. I mean that's funny who's talking about propaganda machine. -- Irpen 14:46, 6 October 2005 (UTC)
Halibutt, you may turn this into an ethics dispute if you want. I would only welcome you or this fellow to start an RfC against me to expose your unsourced POV pushing and my attempt to resist that to which you respond with personal attacks. As for your "no offence", I take everything you said at the face value and I am capable to figure out your intentions from what you say rather than from what you claim you are saying. -- Irpen 22:35, 6 October 2005 (UTC)
Halibutt, how many times do I have to say that this is not about sources. This is about the liberty you take to interprete them and derive conclusions you favor that are just not there. And never have I "ignored". If you refuse to see the answers repeated so many times, I can't do much about it, can I? We can only wait for others to agree or disagree whether the answers to your and my conserns are adequate. Those "others" didn't show up for a while. Still no reason to beleive that the dispute was somehow solved by itself. As for your claimed "politeness" the article's talk page speaks for that. But as for "offence", if I were so easily offended, I would not be able to be at Wikipedia. We all have seen worse than that. It is not for thin-skinned to edit history articles. You should see AndriyK's language he used and even that didn't make me loose my sleep. -- Irpen 02:49, 7 October 2005 (UTC)
Dear Irpen! Sorry if I chose the wrong words for expressing my frustration with AndriyK's behavior. I didn't mean to hurt anybody's feelings. It's just that I've seen a lot of stuff done to a few of my articles that deal with Ukraine's people or geography in one way or another, so I decided to stay away from such topics. I appreciate your hard work in the Russian Portal! Keep it up and see you there. KNewman 05:59, 9 October 2005 (UTC)
Irpen, I would try to support you, although my knowledge of Ukrainian history is mostly limited to Soviet schoolbooks, and discourse is mostly the imperialistic one. I like your edits better, thou I am not sure if it is the right way to weed out all the Polish names from the cities that were Polish. Would it hurt that much if we would add the third (Polish) name in the first string if they want it so badly? abakharev 09:47, 9 October 2005 (UTC)
We may ask to ban him but, as I told him at his talk page, I was trying to avoid it as much as I could. He violated 3RR multiple times and I showed it to him warning that he may get banned but I never actually proceeded in listing him for banning. Besides, after 24-48 hour ban he will be back even more aggravated and will continue his crusade with even more rigor. He may also find ways to circumvent 3RR or simply stay just under it and this pain will go on.
On the other hand, IMO he've done enough for the full-blown arbitration, which may result in a longer ban. If anyone would want to compile an arbitration case, I will comment on it. But as of yet, I would not start it myself. Several people are trying to talk to him and I hope he would listen. But if nothing changes, he will en up banned for sure. -- Irpen 04:11, 12 October 2005 (UTC)
I agree that there are differences of opinions on this. The article provides references that support both versions and both should be mentioned. I explained that some of the sources brought up by this user are controversial but this is no reason to totally dismiss them. What I oppose is that the user simply blanks from the article a sourced version he doesn't like. -- Irpen 01:29, 13 October 2005 (UTC)
Hi, I've read that discussion with some interest. Your characterization as "User Irpen is a very cunning, ingenious, and stubborn troll." ("Користувач Irpen - дуже хитрий, винахідливий і наполегливий троль.") was especially amusing. What can I say - ці западенці зовсім з глузду з'їхали. Maybe, not all of them, but a significant proportion for sure. Sashazlv 01:43, 23 October 2005 (UTC)
And how do we know he is not paid for what he does? It may be a form of an information war strategy. Similar to specifically hired participants in popular forums, like pravda.com.ua or inosmi.ru. They often pick an active user and start dumping sh-t on him. You would be quite a natural choice.
I posted a note to him: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:AndriyK#Discussion_at_maidanua.org. Let's wait and see if he has anything sensible to say. Sashazlv 02:36, 23 October 2005 (UTC)
You wrote: "Compare IP of this account with user:Geminifromukraine" at Talk:Mikhail of Chernihiv. How I can check user's IP? mikka (t) 17:54, 28 October 2005 (UTC)
Well, user Pani, from Maidan said in plain Ukrainian that she reverted Kotlyarevsky under two different names. Since she didn't know what she was doing, I did not make fuss about this. Now, that we are getting new registrants coming over just to vote at Oleg of Chernigov, I am less sure of what to do. -- Irpen 20:02, 29 October 2005 (UTC)
The map is his, I just added it. It is still a beta - we need more places, more arrows and smaller fragment of the map (no need for the west and south). I am glad you like it, though. Do you think we can FAC it now? -- Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus Talk 20:38, 30 October 2005 (UTC)
Please stop pushing Russian Orthodox POV to the articles. Please pay attention that canonicity
Please read WP:NPOV carefully.
Please pay attention that pushing Orthodox POV is against the WP policies.-- AndriyK 20:57, 6 November 2005 (UTC)
I've explained you at Talk:St Volodymyr's Cathedral that if you decided to present the POV of Russian Orthodox Church, the POV of Ukrainian Orthodox Church - Kiev Patriarchy shoud be equally well presented, along with all other POVs. I proposed to discuss the canonicity issue in the article on UOC-KP. But if you decided on the contrary then please present all POVs in every article where you decided to mention "canonicuty" issue.-- AndriyK 08:40, 7 November 2005 (UTC)
If you consider "canonicity" be improtant enough to be mentioned in the article about St. Volodymyr's Cathedral, this is your own POV (or Russian Orthodox POV). But other readers/editors may find other information about UOC-KP be even more important. Finally you end up with the whole article about OUC-KP coppied to St. Volodymyr's Cathedral.
Please decide whether you give all the details abou UOC-KP representing all possible POVs in every article where OUC-KP is mentioned, or you stick at my proposal to give all the detaiuls only in the UOC-KP article, without giving details at every mentioning of UOC-KP in other articles.
Whatevere you decide, please make sure that your decision conforms the Wikipedia NPOV policy. Using Wikipedia for propaganda of Russian Orthodoxy (as well as any other religion) is inadmissible!-- AndriyK 09:13, 7 November 2005 (UTC)
In fact, you have! Presenting only one POV in several articles, without mentioning other POVs is nothing else as propaganda. Your edits are against WP:NPOV.-- AndriyK 13:45, 7 November 2005 (UTC)
I'll have a look at O.R. and the geographic naming, probably by tomorrow night.
In the mean time, I'll ask you to lend me your eyes. Please have a quick look at T-34. I know it's not your cup of tea, but I've done too much writing there to look at the whole thing objectively. Just let me know if the article answers the basic questions early on. Is there too much detail in some parts that should be spun off to other articles? I'd like to start polishing it up for FA, but I need to formulate a general plan first. Cheers. — Michael Z. 2005-11-7 17:36 Z
I would like to poin out once more that your comments misinform the Wikipedia users. There is actibe discussion going on at Talk:St Volodymyr's Cathedral. Consensus is not reached yet. Why do you lie saying "restoring consenus" replaced the article by your extremely biased, Russian Orthodox POV version? If you agree abot something with Ghirlandajo, Kuban Kazak or alike, this is not a consensus yet. Pay attention to other user's opinion. Or you just like the edit war?-- AndriyK 16:29, 8 November 2005 (UTC)
You should chill out and listen to what Wikipedians with experience told you about things, in general, and about me, in particular. You should also have listened to what IlyaK and Gutsul told you at uk-wiki. You should also have listened to what Anatol (Yakudza), Nemesis (N8Sl8er) and others said at Maidan. You should have noted that Ukrainian (or interested in Ukraine) Wikipedians you contacted at their talk pages to try recruit them for your crusade crusade (Berkut, Halibutt, perhaps others too, I didn't follow) and those who you might have tried off Wikipedia did not join.
It could be that I am indeed not anti-Ukrainian. It could be that there is no anti-Ukrainian consipracy at wiki. It could be that Ghirlandajo (whom you called "відвертий і агресивний російський шовініст. Спеціалізується на перекручуванні українських географічних та інших назв на російський манер"), with whom I disageed many times and discussed differences at many talk pages, is a valuable contributor perceptive to communication who contributed a wealth of info about the Ukrainian people, history and culture. It could be that myself, MichaelZ, Sashazlv and all these others were the few who actually tried to present the mainstream Ukrainian POV here and it is your and your namesake's POV's are harming Ukraine at Wikipedia
But the best you could do, is start writing. You just added info to Boyko. Please keep up with contributing as several users offered you to help. -- Irpen 19:49, 9 November 2005 (UTC)
Please do not remove factural information and references from the article Boyko. Please pay attention that any information ypou add should be confirmed by creadible sources. Original research or your privat opinion is not appropriate for the Wikipedia articles.-- AndriyK 09:46, 10 November 2005 (UTC)
I propose to ask for official mediation to resolve the dispute concerning St Volodymyr's Cathedral article. Whould you agree?-- AndriyK 18:07, 12 November 2005 (UTC)
I've got an e-mail from the mediator. Please check your mailsbox so that we can start the dispute resolution.-- AndriyK 15:32, 18 November 2005 (UTC)
Dear Irpen, please devote more of your time to reading books on Ukrainian history, if you would like to make a really usefull contributions to the corresponding articles. Try, for the beginning, to learn the most basic things, for instance the difference between Cossack Hetmanate and Zaporozhian Host.
Wuld you like to correct your edits to the article Polkovnyk yourself? It would be the most preferble way, if you read the literature and correct the mistakes you made.-- AndriyK 18:27, 12 November 2005 (UTC)
No, I was just putting a feeler in case sb does create an article with this title. -- Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus Talk 13:53, 14 November 2005 (UTC)
Please stop from merging Polish military ranks into article about Russian military ranks. -- Molobo 12:04, 15 November 2005 (UTC)
Yes it was in responce to your post about your intent to do so.-- Molobo 21:54, 15 November 2005 (UTC) This is under discussion and I offered Polish editors to have a say on this. Where did I say anything about my intent? In any case say whatever you have to say on the issue at the article's talk where the discussion is ongoing. -- Irpen 22:02, 15 November 2005 (UTC)
I think you would be interested in voting here. Besides, Halibutt have been accused of anti-Russian bias - I wonder how you would reply to this. -- Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus Talk 17:48, 16 November 2005 (UTC)
I'd have thought you would have an opinion on this? Aren't you going to vote?-- Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus Talk 16:19, 18 November 2005 (UTC)
Thanks for your comment left at Ezhiki's page, it helped us clear some things a tad. I would only like to comment on the Massacre of Praga. The previous title of that article was not a sign of my nationalism or anything, it's simply an exact translation of how it is called in Polish historiography (compare [11] with [12] and note that both articles in the latter refer to the Czech capital, and that the term "Bitwa pod Pragą [13] also refers to a battle at the Bohemian city). It is simply that the actual battle is much less notable than the ensuing massacre, which was its exact outcome. While I don't say it's right or wrong, it's simply how it is. Hence that's quite natural that the Polish wiki article is at Rzeź Pragi and not elsewhere - and that was the most natural title for me to post that article under. Halibu tt 00:43, 19 November 2005 (UTC)
In wikipedia un-caninical status UOC-KP is mentionned more than 10 articles, but for the rest internet beside 70 sites. (see Google searching for in Talk:St_Volodymyr's_Cathedral#Yakudza:) Necessary this POV in article Ukrainians? In the personal letter You wrote that do not suppose this necessary. However You continue edit Wars, not considering arguments on Talk:St_Volodymyr's_Cathedral -- Yakudza 19:42, 22 November 2005 (UTC)
Don't twist my words. These are events of different scale. All I mean is that crimes of Stalinism are as much relevant to the Soviet History as the lack of standing of UOC-KP as an Orthodox church to the UOC-KP. -- Irpen 19:59, 22 November 2005 (UTC)
This is not the article about the architecture, this is the article about the church. If you want to expand a Ukrainian Baroque article with more info about different churches, there indeed would be no need to go into discussion of who owns what and who is (un)canonical. However, if we are writing about a particular Orthodox cathedral, the fact that the organization operating is not recognized as representing the Eastern Orthodoxy is relevant. -- Irpen 23:32, 22 November 2005 (UTC)
-- Irpen 23:32, 22 November 2005 (UTC)
An arbitration request involving you has been filed.— Ëzhiki (erinaceus amurensis) 17:40, 23 November 2005 (UTC)
I am not sure. Maybe you can't if you are not a part of an arbitration, but perhaps there is a procedure for that somewhere. I've never been involved with arbitration because I was always able to discuss things with most people. So, I am not an expert to ask. -- Irpen 21:57, 23 November 2005 (UTC)
Naklep?(copy from User_talk:Yakudza) Yakudza, you wrote at Maidan:
"Мушу вибачитись перед АК я дещо помилявся відносно Ірпіня. Ось його чергова дія: не маючи аргументів, щоб довести свою правоту вони звернулись з наклепом в арбітраж вікіпедії."
Could you please elaborate on this statement of yours or appologize for it because this is a real "naklep". Please note the broad spectrum of users who co-signed. I didn't write for them, btw. I am not sure you can respond to the ArbCom, but I would be interested to see your response here. Feel free to write in Russian or Ukrainian if you have to. I hope this slipped out of your mouth by an accident. So far, you've been a mostly civil and respecful guy. Regards, -- Irpen 00:25, 24 November 2005 (UTC)
Irpen, если не возражаете размещу ответ здесь, не знаю правильно ли это, если посчитаете это неуместным, можете свободно его вытереть сейчас или через несколько дней, я скопирую его на свою страницу. -- Yakudza 22:34, 24 November 2005 (UTC)
Я написал, что это поклеп, так как полагаю, что выдвинутые обвинения несправедливы, односторонне представлены и сильно передернуты. Не знаю, может быть уместно было употребить иное слово. Я действительно раньше считал , писал об этом на форуме Майдана, и сейчас продолжаю считать, что поведение AnriyK в то время, когда он пришел на вики было довольно необдуманным, его обвинения в ваш адрес довольно обидными и во многом несправедливыми. Даже несмотря на то, что такая реакция была спровоцирована Вашим поведением, и в частности привлечением к войне редактирования таких людей как User:Ghirlandajo. Это довольно своеобразный редактор. При большом количестве редактирований, он довольно нетерпим к чужому мнению, регулярно оскорбляет других ( см. список, меня он назвал бандеровцем), попытки прояснить ситуацию на его странице называет "персональными атаками" и вытирает записи. Делая откаты он практически никогда не обсуждает это в дискуссиях. При этом в его правках огромное количество POV. Справедливости следует сказать, что он действительно сделал много полезного в "украинской" части вики, написал и дополнил много нейтральных "украинских" статей, противодействовал польскому POV в "украинских" страницах, но все вышеперечисленное, совершенно нивелирует полезный вклад.
Поясню почему считаю обвинения, поданные в арбитраж, сильно передернутыми:
In modern contexts and indirect historical contexts I see no harm in leaving Chernihiv an reference to city. mikka (t) 22:26, 23 November 2005 (UTC)
Have a look at this http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Belarus#Russian_occupation, and tell me do you see this as History of Belarus or more like the history of Poland and the Polish Partitions, lets modify it I have an excellent source on 19th century history in Belarus, it is slightly religiously orientiated but good nevertheless. http://www.pravoslavie.ru/arhiv/050513111111 Kuban kazak 23:27, 26 November 2005 (UTC)
Thanks for the note. The case looks like a huge headache. You have my sympathy! I'll keep an eye on AndriyK when he shows up on my watchlist. For now I may not be able to offer too much help, as I have my hands full with Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of modern day dictators. I'm a bit worried that the crusade on behalf of the list is going to establish a precedent undermining consensus against "original research." BTW, your input on the AfD will be much appreciated, of course. Best regards, 172 09:38, 27 November 2005 (UTC)
Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/AndriyK has been accepted. Please place evidence on Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/AndriyK/Evidence. Proposals and comments may be placed on Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/AndriyK/Proposed decision. Fred Bauder 02:26, 28 November 2005 (UTC)
I thought you'd like to know, the page was unprotected (without an ensuing revert spree). I dawdled a bit much, but I've now submitted a revision to the page for everyone's consideration. Please see my comments at talk:Russian architecture. Regards, Michael Z. 2005-12-1 05:50 Z
Just when I was about to respond I noticed that you removed the comment. Anyway, as I already mentioned somewhere I'm not so convinced the RfC could do anything as I definitely wouldn't like the "good Ghirlandajo" to be blocked just because the "bad Ghirlandajo" is who he is. On the other hand I simply felt that something has to be done and I lost hope in all attempts at mediation. Now I shall wait and see what happens. Finally, take note that I'm not questioning Ghirlandajo's POV as he is 100% entitled to it, just like anyone else. What I am questioning is his behaviour, which is a completely different thing. Halibu tt 15:59, 3 December 2005 (UTC)
Irpen, thanks for your comments at my talk page. I know that there are risks, as there is always a risk of doing something wrong. As I said during my RfA - the only person not to commit mistakes is the one never to do anything. Having said that, I'm not sure if further antagonization, as you put it, is possible at all. After all I heard I saw no other option but to ask for help. I simply lost all hope in Ghirlandajo and certainly would not like his behaviour to continue. As the attempts at changing his offensive behaviour failed, I simply have no ideas as to what more could I do.
And this RfC is basically it: I'm asking the community what could be done about it. Got any idea? Halibu tt 02:56, 6 December 2005 (UTC)
Ok, now I get your point (hopefully), though I still dissagree. My main objection is that we are supposed to work as a community. Not some Polish club versus Russian club or whatever, despite what Ghirlandajo tries to present. I understand that you had some problems with some of the Polish contributors (I'm guessing Molobo, Witkacy, Space Cadet or such..?), and I surely understand that their ways might be disturbing. However, if they break the laws of the wiki, it is the duty of all of the community to set their paths straight. Note that I never held Mikka responsible for the actions of Ghirlandajo nor did I held the fact that he did not try to cool him down against him as it would be absurd. Apart from the country of origin the two have simply close to nothing in common and I see no way Mikka should be obliged to do the job of the entire community. Same applies to me and the problematic users who happen to be Polish. At times their actions are as they are and at times I tend to leave some comments on their talk pages so as to cool them down, as it's always easier to get in touch with own countrymen (as was the recent case of Molobo, for instance, or the not-so-recent dissagreement I had with Witkacy). We are different people and it is not my job to correct the behaviour of other contributors. It is our job. Get the difference?
Having said that, I still believe that asking the community for ideas (not condemnation of Ghirlandajo, just ideas on how could this problem be solved) is the best way I could handle that. There is a serious problem which disturbs several wikipedians and it needs to be solved, not hidden under the carpet. Alternatively I could ask for Ghirlandajo's block - and I believe it would be supported, especially after some of the most outraging remarks of his. However, the guy does a great deal of great job as well and I still believe that there is some way he could improve. Banning him at this point would mean that wikipedia would loose a problem user, but also a great contributor. However, so far I see no possibility of ever having a disagreement with him about the content of the articles as he is simply too offensive to start a discussion with him. Imagine what would you do in my shoes? How could one discuss with someone, who simply cannot explain his edits and instead continues to offend all the people involved, assume their bad will and so on?
As to Battle of Volodarka - note that the main disagreement was between what you found to be doubtful and what was written in the sources. Sure, both were Polish and you found one of them of little credibility, though still they were sources, while you had none. After umpteenth revert I indeed lost my nerves, for which I'm sorry, but I'm pretty sure you understand that there was some reason behind that. So, I believe my situation is quite different from that of Ghirlandajo, who offends even people whom he never met in his life, just because they seem to be Polish to him. BTW, as to the battle - I even started a tedious work of translating an entire chapter of Wyszczelski for you before I noticed that you withdrew. I'm still open to suggestions and discussion there, though not until you find some sources to discuss with. Get my point? We already discovered that our noses tell us different things and there's no way we could convince one another there. However, what could make me (or others, for that matter) change my (or ours) mind(s) would be hard facts and sources. And take note that in most cases I'm willing to accept even the compromises I like the least (as was the case of Danzig, Domeyko, Warsaw Uprising, and lots of other articles). If I have a problem with reaching a compromise, it's usually a case where I present my sources and the opposing side presents none, not where I call people stupid, their edits malicious and their intentions bad.
Finally, what would my withdrawal of the RfC change? Ghirlandajo has explicitly said that he does not want to be cooperative and that he shall not change his offensive and disruptive behaviour. So, should I simply wipe the spit of my face and go on, until he offends me again and again? Sadly, I'm not that good of a Christian. And when will this stop then? I believe it's still not too late to change something peacefully, without asking the community to block Ghirlandajo, which is the other alternative here. Call me an idealist, but I still believe that a way could be found to make him continue his valuable edits and back down on disruptive behaviour. Halibu tt 02:56, 9 December 2005 (UTC)
There are arbitration committee mambers who will read this page and they will rearange it or will request it to be done by other users if they find it necessary. Alternatively, you may propose Andrew Alexander to rearange his comments. You behave like you privatized this page.-- AndriyK 18:18, 10 December 2005 (UTC)
Yet again, I suggest you read the instructions. It is your arbitration and knowing the procedure may help you defend yourself and convinse the ArbCom to come up with a not so harsh sentence. -- Irpen 18:27, 10 December 2005 (UTC)
Definitely, you are not at best writing about Bukowina and city of Cernauti, as you dislike the region. Please refrain on reverting without reading or thinking on others contribution. -- Vasile 14:36, 26 December 2005 (UTC)
Hi Irpen. Thanks for contacting me. Firstly, I think you're making a bit of conspiracy of the whole case here. I don't know what you're trying to get at - either that I was the person who did the reverting and then logged in to block Mikka, or I was tipped off by one of the trolls as part of a conspiracy to block Mikka, I really don't know. But I assure you that nothing of the kind took place. The way I got to WP:ANI was by looking at Bonaparte and Anittas' contributions - which I often do, to check for any problems - and I got to WP:ANI/3RR's entry on Ghirlandajo and Anittas. And there, at the bottom of the page, was the entry on Mikka. And indeed, there was a 3RR breach.
As to the legality of blocking him under 3RR - Mikka had no right to block the "trolls". It was an edit war, and both Mikka and the "trolls" were equal players. That you personally think the article version that the "trolls" were reverting to is "disgusting" (the disgusting Antiromanianism article) is your personal opinion. I appreciate that you tried to NPOV it. However, Mikka should not have reverted that many times, since he knew about the 3RR. As to Ghirlandajo's block, if Ghirla was simply reverting the deletion of a disputed tag, he should not have been blocked. Finally, I'd like to tell all of you that this case has been blown out of proportion. Everyone is suspecting things, getting offended, etc. It shouldn't be that way, really. 3RR bans are for 24 hours, they're not a big deal and as I've always said, they're not a judgement call. I don't see why I should apologise to him. I'm someone who believes very much in checks and balances and despises abuses of power, as you can see at my talk page and my Wikipedia:Ombudsman proposal. So, I thought about the case before I blocked him. I don't see why I should apologise for fairly enforcing a Wikipedia policy. Thanks, Ronline ✉ 08:56, 4 January 2006 (UTC)
As for your not feeling guilty I said it all at your talk. You can't possibly compensate Mikka's departure by keeping bonapartes at bay, but by your doing it, at least, you will do something useful unlike blocking the most respectable editor in E. European topics whose only fault here was not being decisive enough dealing with vandals who edited through anonymous open proxies. -- Irpen 16:03, 4 January 2006 (UTC)
So very happy! Let's hope it'll all be all right now. And thanks for your support - Introvert ? @ 21:54, 6 January 2006 (UTC).
Hi. I'm going to suggest Khreschatyk for both the DYK and the FA (although never did). Please help editing and promoting with whatever you can do and as soon as you can. Thanks, Ukrained 22:49, 7 January 2006 (UTC).
Dear Ukrained. Frankly, I appreciate your work here. An extra pair of hands and an extra pair of eyes is always helpful to us, especially in a state when there are so few editors concerned about Ukraine and a good quarter of those who join bring net-negative contribution by starting the naming wars, accusing opponents in all sorts of sins and otherwise wasting time of those who are prepared to contribute to articles, but have instead to do the damage control of the actions of those fellows. I do not consider you to be one of them. We managed to agree on things and civilly disagree on others. That's fine of course. However, I noticed that you tend to react too harshly to disagreements, assume bad faith of opponents and react uncivilly. Not once I told you that this is very counterproductive. Wikipedia's talk pages are not usenet newsgroups where the idea is to geth the message through in the most voicefull form smearing the opponents if necessary. We discuss the articles and try to find how to improve them. I suggest that you always keep that in mind. Some well known trolls must be dealt with reprimands, warning and through administrative actions but until you have strong reasons to beleive that your opponent is one of them, you should remember to assume good faith and act accordingly. I am saying all this here not to get pleasure of lecturing you but to avoid future article disagreements getting ugly. Your tone of mine and several talk pages is unhelpful.
Now, to the DYK submission. What I did with it may be found here. This was preceded by Michael's reformatting of the original submission. As you can see, after Michael's expansion (that took place on Jan. 9) the proposed DYK entry had so little in common with the original entry, that it was practically a new suggestion. As such, in my edit I moved it without altering to the new date (Jan 9), the date of Michael's reformatting it. The DYK-keeper admin then contacted me to point out that the entries are sorted not by the date of submissions but by the date of the article's creation. This is done for his convenience in selecting the featured entries among the proposed one since the article creation date is an important factor and the proposal submission isn't. At the same time he contacted Michael to let him know that when the entry suggestion is rephrased, both the new and the old variants should be presented.
My only other edit of that DYK submission after that was this image substitution. I inserted the image that you proposed yourself BTW since it most accurately represents the subject of the article.
I hope you are now satisfied by the complete information that you asked for. In the future, to find what was done and by whom, you just need to go to the article's or talk page's history and use the "Compare selected versions" button. -- Irpen 21:12, 14 January 2006 (UTC)
Hi! Could you help me please in discussion about Comparative military ranks of World War II. My opponents tend to indicate for example Soviet Generalissimo as having the same rank as British Field Marshal of RAF or US General of the Army. Since there is no factual support to this point of view, I strongly disagree. Also they delete Soviet Marshal of (specific arm) ranks, which were invented in 1943. My arguments you can find on my talk page. Thank you!-- Nixer 03:02, 11 January 2006 (UTC)
Стосовно диференціації румун/молдаванів у Чернівецькій області можу додати таке. Коли я був влітку у Чернівцях прочитав у офіційному довіднику, що розподілення на румун/молдован йде в залежності від місця проживання. Населення Новоселицького района, що межує з Молдовою, вважає себе молдаванами, а деяких інших румунами. На жаль не вийшло знайти такої детальної статистики по районах в інтернеті - може просто погано шукав. Тобто, це самоідентифікація без ніякого примусу з боку влади. -- Yakudza 11:59, 11 January 2006 (UTC)
Please mark this images as {{ fair use in}}. I don't think that {{ PD-UA-exempt}} is applicable to images, and doubt that nobody could copyrights photos from Ukrainian Parliament. -- EugeneZelenko 15:14, 12 January 2006 (UTC)
He, I've just been on the Moldovan Wikipedia - it's fun. Bonaparte is there, trolling as usual. The interesting page is at: [14]. There is a vote whether to keep of ditch the Moldovan Wikipedia. It's about Node ue in favour of keeping it and a Romanian gang if favour of abolishing it. It's in may languages, mostly English and Romanian and Bonny is trying to get everyone to speak Romanian or leave - he says it is disrespectful. That doesn't stop him speaking Romanian on the English Wikipedia though ;-) Izehar 21:02, 14 January 2006 (UTC)
You sure you meant me? I have never-ever edited the article, neither recently nor long ago... Halibu tt 19:59, 23 January 2006 (UTC)
You might want to know that at Kiev Metro, there seems to be an edit war with a hypocrite, not to insult him, but demanding sources for existance of street vendors in subways, weather removal of plaques and sculptures of Lenin damaged the original architectural composition and design of the stations, and, you will love this one. If Serpukhovskaya in Moscow, looks similar to Lybedskaya in Kiev that is original research and it is no way possible that one could have influenced each other. Also there seems to be a problem wether it is more correct if the Soviet Union broke up or Ukraine bacame indepedent.á Maybe this is for the laugh of it but can you help me convince this skeptic to realise that original research and some general logic are not necessary the same things. -- Kuban kazak 22:03, 25 January 2006 (UTC)
I think I have used all of the material you gave me (Take a good look at recent developments and future plans for each line), but I seemed to lost the original message, can you re-post it, preferably here. -- Kuban kazak 23:08, 12 February 2006 (UTC)
Please let me know whether this is a general complaint in the Romanian press or specific complaint made by a "Romanian organization inside Ukraine". I don't doubt that Romanian press has such an opinion over the issue. I tagged the statement that complaints are being made by "Romanian organizations in Ukraine". --Irpen 20:52, 25 January 2006 (UTC)
A general complaint in Romanian press? Not at all. I don't understand your request. -- Vasile 13:47, 26 January 2006 (UTC)
The AndriyK RfAr has been closed. Until by consensus he has agreed to a suitable and mutually agreed naming convention using the guideline Wikipedia:Naming conflict, AndriyK is prohibited from moving pages, or changing the content of articles which relate to Ukrainian names, especially those of historical interest. AndriyK is banned for one month from Wikipedia for creating irreversible page moves. Andrew Alexander, AndriyK, and MaryMaidan are warned to avoid copyright violations and to cooperate with the efforts of others to remove copyright violations. Ghirlandajo is warned to avoid incivility or personal attacks.
On behalf of the Arbitration Committee, Kelly Martin ( talk) 04:57, 27 January 2006 (UTC)
Hi Irpen. I know we do not agree on all issues but I would like you to know that Duca by no means represents the opinions of the Romanian wikipedians here nor does he represent my own opinion. As I do not want one individual to stain my position as well as the positions of others on the bukovina article, I propose that we all just take a brake from there, stop reverting it for a while and come to it later when all our heads have been cleared. On top of that he cannot continue his rhetoric if nobody will be there to listen. What do you say? Constantzeanu 02:57, 28 January 2006 (UTC)
I agree that if it's an open proxy it should be banned - I am not an admin though so I'm just left going through the warning/reporting motions for standard vandalism. You might report it at WP:AN somewhere. ( ESkog)( Talk) 21:01, 28 January 2006 (UTC)
What is going on with 221.169.51.189? Here you're saying that it's an open proxy. If so, then it should be indefinitely blocked - you should take it to WP:AIV. Latinus 21:08, 28 January 2006 (UTC)
Do you think the meeting place is really worth a separate article? Sashazlv 02:02, 29 January 2006 (UTC)
As to Фигуры ХХ столетия. Юзеф Плисудский: начальник, который создал себе государство - I know that the more exact translation (word for word) is the one you propose. However, I believe that in English his office of Naczelnik (начальник) is called not Chief but Chief of State. Hence my translation, which is a tad further from the original, but at the same time IMO explains the title a tad better. Halibu tt 14:51, 4 February 2006 (UTC)
Hello,
Thanks for your efforts in preserving the integrity of the Battle of Borodino article. Please be mindful that anonymous editors may be new users unaware of the edit history function, and as such, may not see comments left for them in edit summaries. You may find it more helpful to leave a note on their talk page.
I've gone ahead and left a message for User:199.111.242.235 informing them of Wikipedia's three revert rule. You can do the same by entering {{subst:3RR}} on a talk page and signing your name.
Warm Regards, Adrian Lamo ·· 04:44, 5 February 2006 (UTC)
I would participate but I am not the most active editor to this article nor am I the most interested one. Unless others agree to participate in mediation they are in no way bound by its course or the outcome. As such, without getting others of board, we will be wasting our time. If, OTOH, you get others, especially Ghirlandajo, agree to the mediation, I am in. So, pls take it as a conditional yes. -- Irpen 06:07, 5 February 2006 (UTC)
I think your list is good to start with. As for "your" article, believe it or not but I made no connection between you as a wiki-user and that article at that time. I simply followed the edits of an anon IP prompted by a kind of message s/he left at the different user's talk page that happened to be on my watchlist. I saw "your" article in that user's contributions and reverted it because after the original message I had reasons to view her edits with suspicion. I haven't realized that this was the article of the same person who left me a message at talk because we met only briefly by then and I didn't take a note of your name at that time. Now, I will remember of course. Cheers, -- Irpen 07:59, 5 February 2006 (UTC)
I agree. I wish I was notable for a wikiarticle too. Maybe sometime :). See you around and thanks for getting in touch with me. Cheers, -- Irpen 08:46, 5 February 2006 (UTC)
See my comment in the edit summary. I suggest you check those anons for being open proxies. I just have my hands full and I am sure you know how to do it. Once determined as such, post a note at WP:AN/I and they'll be permabaned. There was a fellow who ran a sophisticated botnet and used proxies even to register different accounts to rig votings, 3RR's, etc. Permabanned now of course. Take care, -- Irpen 09:19, 5 February 2006 (UTC)
I remember back when Lamo was featured on TV they specifically mentioned his birthday was once every 4 years (eg, Feb 30th). Here's a google search that might help [15] you can look through the results. Lamo is on line right now and I'm sure he would have denied that if it wasn't true. I'm placing his birthday back in the article, let me know if you intend to revert it. 68.223.43.236 07:45, 5 February 2006 (UTC)
Hi,
Can you figure out who destroyed "Government of Ukraine"? Someone changed it to a redirect to Politics of Ukraine and important information was lost (i.e., country code, long/short name, state symbols, other governmental institutions, etc.). This saddens me a lot, but I don't have time for extensive search.
I think the proper way in such cases is to ask for a discussion to combine the articles. And certainly not to destroy one article in such an ugly way. Sashazlv 04:01, 9 February 2006 (UTC)
Thanks and thanks for restore, I think I already had minor clashes over Ukrainian articles with that overly self-confident Dutch lawyer before. Sashazlv 13:57, 9 February 2006 (UTC)
Huh: http://www.inosmi.ru/translation/225474.html -- Ghirla | talk 12:08, 10 February 2006 (UTC)
I know he "took part". What I asked was whether he commanded the attack. -- Lysy talk 09:27, 13 February 2006 (UTC)
Hi; sorry I didn't take a look at image:Tank factory.jpg sooner. I'm afraid they're all KV-1 tanks on the factory floor, but I did find a good place for it in Soviet armored fighting vehicle production during World War II. Thanks.
In related matters, have you had a look at Wikipedia:Templates for deletion#Russian copyrights? Lots of images are in danger of disappearing, but the justification for doing so does not seem completely clear. — Michael Z. 2006-02-13 17:19 Z
Beg your pardon ? Ukrained 17:37, 13 February 2006 (UTC)
Hi, Irpen. One clueless guy and his likely sock attack the article, adding here silly pseudoscientific claims aired by a TV-show. We need to counter the assault promptly. Please take a look. -- Ghirla | talk 18:12, 13 February 2006 (UTC)
I've left an apology at User talk:Mariah-Yulia. CambridgeBayWeather (Talk) 05:11, 14 February 2006 (UTC)
Urban and Goebbels, Goebbels and Urban. Fasolt and Fafner, Fafner and Fasolt. Irpen, don't waste time with him. In fact, I once asked him if he was writing a resume for a job in the Ministry of Propaganda, but not to bother, since Dr. Goebbels was dead, and the Ministry was kaputt. This was after a series of ad hominen attacks on me, plus the usual rants and missrepresentations of facts. Dr. Dan 06:29, 14 February 2006 (UTC)
Dear Irpen. First, I didn't badmouth you like you state here. If you're talking about this my post... there are no names there (except one, of a user many times warned by administrators), there is no YOUR name. If you like to confess in POV-pushing and trollism by "signing the trend", that's up to you :)))) .
Second, please don't LIE in your "battle for hearts and minds" :). In this post to Duca, I was evidently protecting you and WP principles. I was and is grateful for you policy towards Romanian nationalists. But I'm not going to back you again. Not so good wishes already, Ukrained 20:57, 14 February 2006 (UTC)
Sorry. I appologize then. I didn't see that K.K.'s also welcome the user. In no way I support your opinion of him as a troll but he was incivil at times, granted. In any case, your accusation of me lying was totally undeserved. I stand by my demand that section titles for messages left at my talk be appropriate. Let's now put the issue behind and return to improving WP. -- Irpen 21:49, 14 February 2006 (UTC)
Hi, Are you available to answer a quick question? (I "watch" your page -- no need to reply on my talk). Sashazlv 01:16, 18 February 2006 (UTC)
Dear Irpen, if you DO want to co-operate with me civilly, simply to discuss things with me, you should stop applying double standards and tricky PR-practices to me. Particularly, you should not:
Also, if you insist on not trolling between us, you may concider renunciation of some of your posts made [17].
As for your recent suggestions on my talk, you may or may not discuss them there. Ukrained 12:42, 18 February 2006 (UTC)
It would be very interesting to see the way Britannica is presenting the subject. I guess is not very different of that released from the University of Toronto in association with the Ukrainian cultural organisation in Canada. -- Vasile 02:12, 22 February 2006 (UTC)
Hi Irpen, thanks for the links; what you have done and proposed is in the right direction as sockpuppetry is a serious allegation. -- Gurubrahma 02:43, 23 February 2006 (UTC)
Russkaya Pravda have also an entry in wikisource now. It is an accurate translation? -- Vasile 03:59, 23 February 2006 (UTC)
was:I was blocked but then he changed his mind, but I would much rather talk about Russia with You :D
Wanna talk some Russia and Ukraine stuff? If so I will get the ball rolling
Do you think Russia and Ukraine will unite again? I think it is possible if Russias economy started grwoing even more then now and lots of ukranians moved there to get jobs. After a few years of that some people might say hey why dont we unite again we all seem to be working in russia so why not become the same again?
What do you think, is it possible?-- Deng 01:09, 24 February 2006 (UTC)
Nonsense :(
But I want them to unite :D
I am sorry I dont know Russian, not yet anyway ;)
I am from Sweden. Schools here are free, but to study Russian at an uni level is no joke so I dont know if I want to do that AND to study what I am allready studying which is math but I will most likely jump to physics.
And nice seeing you to ;)
( Deng 01:46, 24 February 2006 (UTC))
Hi, thanks for your voting on my RFA. It has finished with the result 88/14/9, and I am promoted. I am really overwhelmed with the amount of support I have got. With some of you we have edited many articles as a team, with some I had bitter arguments in the past, some of you I consider to be living legends of Wikipedia and some nicks I in my ignorance never heard before. I love you all and I am really grateful to you.
If you feel I can help you or Wikipedia as a human, as an editor or with my newly acquired cleaning tools, then just ask and I will be happy to assist. If you will feel that I do not live up to your expectation and renegade on my promises, please contact me. Maybe it was not a malice but just ignorance or a short temper. Thank you very mach, once more! abakharev 07:34,
Thank you for supporting me in my request for adminship! It ended with a tally of 39/5/4, and I am now an admin. I'm glad to have earned the trust of the community, and I will make use of it responsibly. Of course, you can let me know of any comments or concerns you have.
With a million articles in front of me, I'd better get mopping.
rspeer /
ɹəədsɹ 05:11, 3 March 2006 (UTC)
The debate has restarted, your input would be much appreciated, as the discussed propoasal is the one incorporating your previous suggestions and comments. -- Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus Talk 16:51, 19 October 2005 (UTC)
It's not tru that UPC-KP came to existance in 1991 or in 1992. In fact, the Ukrainian Orthodox Church existed before this timepoint. In 1991-1992 it bacame independent from Moscow Patriarchy and change its name. Accordxing to the Civil Law UPC-KP is a successor of Ukranian Exarchate and autonomous UOC. You perfectly know this. "Retained" is just the right word there. Other people have already explained it to you. Will you start to listen other editor's arguments at last?-- AndriyK 18:49, 7 November 2005 (UTC)
I downloaded it from somewhere maybe two years ago. All I remember is that it was not copyrighted. Sorry. But I have some more in my collection, give me your e-mail and I'll send it over. Kasmicheskiy Pyeshyekhod aka Space Cadet 01:35, 12 December 2005 (UTC)
I just sent some pictures your way. Let me know if you got them fine. Space Cadet 02:25, 12 December 2005 (UTC)
"If you know Rusyn, could you please translate for me the caption to the picture there that says: "Перед кунківском церквю капітан ПВ одберат мельдунок"."
I do not speak Rusyn, but since I speak Serbian, I can understand part of the sentence. Translation would be like this: "In front of the Kunkivska(?) church, the captain PV (одберат мельдунок)(?)". I do not understand last two words. PANONIAN (talk) 18:02, 12 December 2005 (UTC)
Maybe "confiscates property"? Ukrainian: одбирає майно. Any Rusyns speakers please? -- Irpen 18:13, 12 December 2005 (UTC)
Here is what User:Yakudza wrote on my talk page about this:
PANONIAN (talk) 18:58, 12 December 2005 (UTC)
I was talking about this article. The phrase in question is the caption to the third image from top. -- Irpen 02:39, 15 December 2005 (UTC)
Hi Irpen,
Can you please look over the history of development and add your comments/suggestions to the Talk:Kiev_Metro#Line_map?
Thanks, mno 10:42, 6 February 2006 (UTC)
I see you have reinserted Polonization as an example of Russophobia. How these are relevant ? -- Lysy talk 21:24, 9 February 2006 (UTC)
You add {{fact}} in that article, I realy don't know why, because it's so obvious for Cieszynioks (inhabitants of Cieszyn Silesia) :) that here really was the invasion. See Talk:Cieszyn. Regards, D T G 19:28, 11 February 2006 (UTC)
It has been a while since I talked with you. I was wonder if an article exist on the Russian TV station ΡΤΡ (Russia Television)? User:Zscout370 (Return Fire) Fair use policy 02:34, 13 February 2006 (UTC)
I'm waiting for a reply from you... Are we having a discussion or not? Thanks. Dmaftei 16:43, 16 February 2006 (UTC)
proszę nie wywolywać agresji na forum, jeśli dodajesz cytaty w języku polskim to chyba wiesz co tam pisze ! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 83.22.212.170 ( talk • contribs) 27 February 2006 (UTC)
Alex, thanks for removing the inapropriate entry. Anon: Прошу писати менi однiєю з мов, вказаних на моєї сторiнцi користувача. -- Irpen 06:29, 1 March 2006 (UTC)
See Wikipedia:Requests for comment/Chisinau. mikka (t) 20:52, 1 March 2006 (UTC)
He logged in again. His first action was to snatch a couple of userboxes from my user page (as he had done before). Check his other contributions, they are pretty obvious. -- Ghirla -трёп- 18:50, 4 March 2006 (UTC)
Hi there! I noticed you asked Piotrus about the toponyms used on one of my maps (I guess it was the one for the article on Polish-Muscovite War). As a rule of thumb, I chose to use consistent naming in all of the maps pertaining to the series. That is: German names for towns in Germany, Silesia and parts of Austria, Hungarian names where applicable (I would use Turkish names for the northernmost eyalets, but I simply forgot them so I use Hungarian instead, Polish names for all parts of the Commonwealth (even in variants of the map depicting the period before Polish replaced Old Ruthenian as a chancery language in GDL - for simplicity's sake) and modern English transcryption for places in Russia. And English names wherever applicable (Moscow, Warsaw).
I know this system is not perfect, but I made the first map shortly after one of the Talk:Danzig wars ended and I decided not to give people too many reasons to start endless quarrels over the naming. I adopted one common naming system for all the Rzeczpospolita series and used it consistently ever since. BTW, in case someone wanted to prepare a localized version for his own native language wikipedia - I made the source code available through the commons, so there's no problem with that either. I initially also wanted to prepare a map in the Lithuanian version for the Lithuanian wiki, as some of the contributors from that country seem to be alerged to Polish or Ruthenian, but DeirYassin lost interest in wikipedia lately and no other Lithuanian seems to be interested any more. Halibu tt 03:19, 7 November 2005 (UTC)
Irpen, after talking to Ghirla, I feel like I am talking to a diplomat with you and I honestly do not want to fight with you over every single issue about cernauti or bukovina. If you want Chernivtsi Oblast to stand alone without a Romanian name, then so be it(provided herta, cernauti city and bucovina will keep their romanian name too). Currently I have no major issues over either article. I propose we stop the revert war and leave them as they are (save for additions in other fields like economics, etc. etc.). Constantzeanu 02:07, 30 January 2006 (UTC)
What do you think?
-- Kuban Cossack 02:18, 7 March 2006 (UTC)
Well, I think you know me well enough to judge whether you can trust me when I say that I respect my country and my nation as well as all the others. The problem with an old map is that it is incorrect because it does not reflect the new station. K.K. pledged to make one. If anyone makes it earlier, I will support the substitution. Personally, I am too a bad artist to draw it. I have no reason to mistrust K. K. who says that the English map will be there in one-two day time. On a side note, anonymous, even if you contribute occasionally, please reregister. It would make communication easier. Schasty, -- Irpen 08:25, 7 March 2006 (UTC)
And now trolls are attacking it! Help. -- Kuban Cossack 19:59, 7 March 2006 (UTC)
I will explain at the article's talk. -- Irpen 04:18, 8 March 2006 (UTC)
You know what? I see potential trouble coming out of your version and you know the reason why exactly as much as I do. I would have reverted it myself, but since it has English names, I find it useful despite the excessive "letters" you put there. I say, keep the Russian names only when necessary and don't insert them when not necessary. Modern names on modern maps is the place when they are not necessary IMO. Take my suggestion into account when you make a final drawing. In the meanwhile, because your version uses latin letters while the old ones used the cyrillic ones, I will not revert it for now only. Please don't be surprized if the ususal suspects have less tolerance then myself. You could have avoided the problem altogether if you did this the right way. We will talk about this again, when your final version is ready. Goodnight. -- Irpen 00:17, 10 March 2006 (UTC)
Personally, I didn't mind the dual transliteration map. My consern was that others might and I wanted to spare some blood over the issue where I think the second transliteration, while useful, is not necessary enough in order to produce more conflicts and sour feelings. As long as everyone is fine with it, I don't mind. It is useful to be able to distinguish on when to take a firm stand and when to let it go. We should all remember that. -- Irpen 02:02, 20 March 2006 (UTC)
He is trying to sneack back. Check WP:AN. -- Ghirla -трёп- 17:56, 9 March 2006 (UTC)
Can you please help me to stop Halibutt inserting the copyrighted image into the FAI article?
He looks like he cant read English text in rules on fair use-- Nixer 13:42, 12 March 2006 (UTC)
You believe Communist Poland in 1945 was independent ? -- Molobo 21:07, 15 March 2006 (UTC)
At [25]. I think we all want to avoid another RfC (or something more serious), but really, there are limits of Wikipedia:Civility that should not be broken. Swearing in edit summaries is one of them, IMHO. I doubt that any attempt from me or other Polish user to talk to Ghirla would do any good. Can you do something? -- Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus Talk 03:25, 17 March 2006 (UTC)
Thank you for your support in my RfA.
Sadly, my RfA failed (on my birthday out of all days!), mainly due to it's closeness to the previous one. I hope that in any future RfAs I'll have your support!
Nonetheless, if I can do anything for you don't hesitate to ask me.
Have a nice St Patrick's Day!
Computerjoe 's talk 21:53, 17 March 2006 (UTC)
If you read the earlier discussion you posted a link to, you'd probably notice that I proposed it myself. And I'm fine with the move if that's the decision of the community (unless it's going to be moved to some bizarre title like List of famous L'vivians, of course). I opposed deleting the section outright, but not it's removal into a separate article. Of course, IMO the article is still not long enough for such a partition to be done and I really don't see a need to divide it, but if others do - then why not. We could do the same with other sections as well, BTW. History section comes to my mind.
As a side-note, I find it quite comforting that, despite all the national conflicts in wikipedia, all the Ghirlandajos, Molobos, Zivinbudas' and other hot-minded guys, the article has retained much of my original version from 2004... Isn't it some kind of a record? Halibu tt 00:59, 18 March 2006 (UTC)
I never slandered Molobo. I agree with you that he is rather polite for the person with such extreme views. His general mission to expose the injustices that Poles suffered from Russians and Germans is an acceptable, while rather strange, agenda. His not being able to put aside his extreme views in editing and, sometimes, getting hysterical over the disagreements is extremely unproductive. I advised him several times to write rather than revert, delete and paste, and he sometimes does some writing. I think I am totally objective to Molobo and I even think that he doesn't hate me as he does many of his opponents. If Molobo reduces the edit warring and hysteria while continues to write the content (which he occasionally does, I must say), I would consider the overall impact of his presence at wiki to be positive rather than negative. However, even if we forget about the rest and see an amount of content, the comparison to Ghirla just doesn't fly.
The useful contribution of Ghirla towards the Polish articles can be seen in that thanks to his intervention these articles are sometimes corrected from the common biases in the Polish national historiography. Besides, in Polish-Russian related articles, which are up to now mostly written by the Polish contributors, he often brings additional information. The examples are abundant and there is no need even to elaborate. Besides he often brings the perspective from the non-Polish viewpoint and these articles eventually end up more balanced. If you say that Ghirla is sometimes rude and being rude is wrong, I would agree with you. However, as far as the compromise over the content goes, I have seen Ghirla agreeing to compromise and I have never ever seen that from Halibutt, at least not voluntarily. Still, I also consider Halibutt an excellent contributor despite several problems as I wrote at my comment at his RfA (which I supported nevertheless). -- Irpen 02:53, 20 March 2006 (UTC)
This above suggestion by Halibutt is not a compromise in any way. This is not about his vs mine edits. This is an attempt to mediate in connection with the Molobo's edits wich, as usually, were rather extreme. -- Irpen 07:57, 22 March 2006 (UTC)
Users Halibutt and Irpen should rejoice at this splendid news. In order to have an informative analysis of Soviet policies in occupied Poland during 1939-1941 I acquired a throughout scholary work on this issue, mainly Educational policy in occupied eastern areas of the Second Polish Republic in 1939-1941 by doctor Elżbieta Trela-Mazur(here are her qualifications [34] and the publication Forms of constraint applied by the Soviet authorities in relation to the people of Wilejka region by renoknown scholar of Slavic studies in Wrocław Professor Franciszek Sielicki.
Both publications present an excellent analysis of Soviet occupation and are full of various interesting data. -- Molobo 22:56, 20 March 2006 (UTC)
I simply have a computer that logs off sometimes during my edits. I don't know why. Also I clicked on new password. So I will have to wait before I can log again. Never hid that the IP is mine. --Molobo
The solution is simple: let's talk. It always worked in the past, didn't it?-- Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus Talk 03:23, 23 March 2006 (UTC)
Don't worry, Irpen. I never saw you add sources to articles or take part in a discussion on sources after people get seriously involved in it. So no, I am not stalking you. Mostly because I don't believe you'd ever source any article. Of course, it would be really lovely if you either took your blatant POV pushing campaign elsewhere - or at least try to support it with sources at the relevant talk pages, but apparently that's not going to happen and I'm fine with that.
I noticed some time ago that this is your normal modus operandi and there's no way anyone could change that. First your pal Ghirlandajo comes up to some article, adds as much Soviet/Great Russian prop to it as he can. When people revert his inventions, often based on sources as credible as Great Soviet Encyclopedia or katyn.ru, and that's when you come and cry murder. When people finally manage to stop the revert war and gather at the talk page to settle the issues you two raise, at first all is ok. But when the discussion is going in the right direction, that is people gather enough sources to prove that most of your (plural) POV is completely absurd, you all of a sudden loose interest in the discussion, abandon it and move on to some other article. That was the case of numerous articles so far, where you managed to repeat your stance over and over again, yet failed to convince anyone with sources and then, after seeing that your POV will simply not hold, moved along. Katyn, history of Belarus, Polish-Lithuanian-Muscovite union, Polish-Bolshevik War, Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth, History of Poland, Międzymorze, Polish contribution to WWII, Wołodarka... Of course, I appreciate that you're the reasonable guy to help stopping the revert wars. However, loosing my time and nerves to find solutions to your problems is a simple loss of time apparently. Piotrus believes it's beneficial to the project in the long run, I'm not so sure about it.
As I said, I consider such "retaliation" childish and below my dignity, so I won't adopt your stance, although I admit I find it tempting. I could take some article quite notable for the Russian community here in wikipedia, add as much Polish POV to it (I mean Molobo-style, of course), start a revert war, then force the people to loose their time and nerves to try to convince me that what I wrote was a complete rubbish (eventhough I'd perfectly know that by myself) and even add some pictures. You know, some Russian people greeting the Nazi forces liberating them from the Soviets, some statements about the Polonophobe traditions of the Moscow University, some books to argue that the Russian Civil War was not a Red's victory... And then I'd quit the discussion. However, I doubt it would be as funny to me as it is to you. Over and out. // Halibu tt 10:35, 25 March 2006 (UTC)
I have found an analysis of this formation by IPN. Lots of interesting facts. I shall add them soon. -- Molobo 23:56, 23 March 2006 (UTC)
Mikka clearly said about the slogan. [35] -- Molobo 01:43, 28 March 2006 (UTC)
TOC?-- Molobo 06:02, 28 March 2006 (UTC)
regarding the names of tsarinas of Russia: if from abroad, they changed their first name, such as Wilhelmina became Natalia Alexeievna, etc. Now, Wikipedia has certain rules that the so-called consort name is not to be used, because of several persons being e.g Empress Maria Fedorovna. And that a pre-marital name should be used. But I feel that it is acceptable to make a formulation "Natalia Alexeievna of Darmstadt" (the "of Darmstadt" being for disambiguation purposes) instead of using "Wilhelmina of Darmstadt". Now, as there are plenty of Germanist and anglicist opinions, I would like to know some of international opinion as well as of Russian opinion. In other words, I am asking you to think whether from the perspective a Russian, (1) would it be acceptable to say "Natalia Alexeievna of Darmstadt" and (2) would that be better or worse than "Wilhelmina of Darmstadt". 62.78.105.68 08:50, 21 July 2005 (UTC)
I tried to find article about Alexandra Fyodorovna of Hesse (wife of Nicholas II, not of Nicholas I) in the Russian wikipedia, but I did not find such article. Could you check whether any such exists? If yes or no, it would anyway be nice to have the English article to have interwiki link to her Russian aricle (please create such article if it does not yet exist in russian wp). 217.140.193.123 19:58, 23 July 2005 (UTC)
Please kindly check Alexandra Romanova - welcome to comment. 217.140.193.123 00:36, 31 July 2005 (UTC)
Maybe it'll be easier to explain in personal talk page ? You're saying that the "PoP" name is common in English usage only in the context of history of Poland. What is the other possible context. The article describes an event from the history of Poland exactly, so what's your point ? What would be the most used name for this from "wider European perspective" then ? -- Lysy ( talk) 20:43, 15 December 2005 (UTC)
Correct me if I'm wrong, but it seems that:
Does it not seem to you like double standards, especially that the Stalinist repressions agains Ukraine are very closely tied together, and only the broader context allows to explain the purpose of the artificial famine. Why do you think that hiding this (documented) information would be useful ? -- Lysy ( talk) 18:02, 18 December 2005 (UTC)
Hi there. Why have you reopened the vote to rename after it's been closed by an admin ? -- Lysy ( talk) 22:04, 3 January 2006 (UTC)
No, I explained clearly that whoever closed the vote violated the policy which doesn't call for premature closure for the lack of consensus. It only calls for premature closure to implement the move if consensus is easy to determine early enough. Please continue this at the article's talk. --
Irpen 22:13, 3 January 2006 (UTC)
P.S. I am surprized by your accusation but I guess I have to take it though I thought you knew me better by now. --
Irpen 22:13, 3 January 2006 (UTC)
Have you seen these edits: [36], [37], [38] ? Wonder why he did not care to post a similar message in the Polish message board ? Sigh. -- Lysy ( talk) 22:29, 4 January 2006 (UTC)
I don't think I posted it anywhere. Have you seen me recruiting on Polish message board ? Still, Partitions of Poland are relevant to Poland, don't you think ? How is the Koniuchy massacre relevant to Ukraine, Belarus or Russia ? And who is a nationalist here ? I wonder why are you still defending this attitude. -- Lysy ( talk) 22:57, 4 January 2006 (UTC)
Many thanks, Irpen. I am not sure I desreve all this. Thanks abakharev 06:53, 7 January 2006 (UTC)
The article was interesting to say the least. And easy enough to read and understand without needing a dictionary or help from some translation program. Thank you. The Marshal and Colonel were amateurs next to their mentor, Pilsudski. If I'm not mistaken, I believe Beck was actually Hitler's guest at Berchtesgaden for New Years, 1939. The facts concerning their blunders need to be brought forth accurately and without bias. That it will be vociferously challenged, is to be expected. One should be prepared. It seems this group of editors enjoys entrapping people into reverting wars, and they then try to have them blocked, or removed from participation in the Wikipedia project. Hopefully, the powers that be, will begin to see what's going on here. Dr. Dan 06:22, 13 February 2006 (UTC)
Irpen, why can't you stay on topic? As to your latest comment, either point me to a text where you see my applause or strike the comment. You don't value me highly, but you don't have to resort to slander, do you. Halibu tt 21:34, 2 March 2006 (UTC)
Please do not mix apples with oranges. Jimbo and Ghirla have nothing to do with this. The discussion was between you, Piotrus, Molobo and myself. And when Molobo started his habitual trolling there was a dead silence from both of you and my desperate attempts to undo his damage. This stuff is still in the article, he periodically restored megabytes of outside material at the talk page, making it unreadable and I can't simply succeed if I oppose such a dedicated and fervent troll just on my own. Instead of doing something to help restore the working climate in the article, you went into unrelated jokes about clocks and watches which is not only off-topic but also insensitive, as I explained at the article's talk. -- Irpen 19:58, 3 March 2006 (UTC)
I said I won't use your talk page any more but apparently I was wrong. After you recently accused me of being a troll and told me to read one of the definitions of who a troll is, I'd like to point you to some of the definition you perfectly seem to fit. For instance WP:TROLL#Edit_warring, WP:TROLL#Misuse of process might come in handy. Are you satisfied now? Halibu tt 15:39, 6 March 2006 (UTC)
Just wanted to drop a quick note — nothing fancy! — to say thanks for your vote of confidence in my recent request for adminship. As you might have noticed it was unsuccessful; most objections related to my lack of experience. While I disagree that nearly 4000 edits, whether spread over two months or ten, constitutes a lack of experience, I respect the vote and will try again at a later date. I'm disappointed that I won't be able to help out in the meantime as much as I could with admin access, but again I appreciate your support and hope I'll have it the next time I am nominated. ⇒ BRossow T/ C 18:50, 6 March 2006 (UTC)
I suggest we revote on the name В Харькове русскому языку придан статус официального-- Kuban Cossack 02:59, 7 March 2006 (UTC)
Kazak, it's all very simple. We follow the prevailing modern usage in English language media. Once the major papers search shows the prevailance of Kharkiv, the decision of this or that organization won't affect the article's name. -- Irpen 23:37, 8 April 2006 (UTC)
Yes, we are ignoring what the Ukrainian state or state-own organizations use for whatever because they have zero jurisdiction over English. The only thing that matters is the prevailing modern usage. The best indication of the latter in the major English language media and other language encyclopedia. While LexisNexis major papers search shows an overwhelming advantage of Khrarkiv AND Britannica uses Kharkiv as well, the answer is clear. The article titles should not be changed with each new momental event. Wikipedia articles titles reflect the long term trends, avaraged over time. So far, it is Kharkiv. I will do a LexisNexis major paper search one of these days and update you with the results since you seem interested. Stay around! -- Irpen 01:40, 10 April 2006 (UTC)
Irpen, so kind and so nice of you! (Портрет мне, конечно, льстит :) Wishing all the best and all the success - Vera - Introvert ~? 19:36, 11 March 2006 (UTC)
Any ideas who are the other generals on the Image:Polish Mil Victory Parade 1945.jpg photo?-- Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus Talk 23:16, 13 March 2006 (UTC)
Another Tribuna article Irpen ? :) Anyway something for Piotrus:.. [removed incomprehensible by Irpen]... You see now why I have objections towards photo of those being presented as representative picture of Polish contribution in WW2 ? -- Molobo 02:34, 14 March 2006 (UTC)
Your tactic to delete other users comments is most offensive. -- Molobo 22:02, 14 March 2006 (UTC)
Molobo, please praise the achievements of Polish culture in the Polish culture article. This has nothing to do with Kievan Rus and its talk.
-- Molobo 20:05, 15 March 2006 (UTC)
-- Molobo 22:28, 15 March 2006 (UTC)
When Piotrus set up a sect fact tag to point out to the disputed section it was removed. Will you agree to setting up it again over the disputed section of the article. -- Molobo 20:23, 15 March 2006 (UTC)
Refs were added only to population numbers which we were hardly disputing. -- Molobo 20:32, 15 March 2006 (UTC) Also-are you going adress Ghirandajo over his bringing of Polish culture subject since you mistakenly believed it was my while it was him ? -- Molobo 20:23, 15 March 2006 (UTC)
Here is where Ghirandajo started to bring Poland as subject [ [43]] -- Molobo 20:29, 15 March 2006 (UTC)
Would you agree then to more general Sect Fact template over the disputed section rather then citatitons required tags ? -- Molobo 20:41, 15 March 2006 (UTC)
Thanks for the book. It was a long time since I had seen such amount of hatred for Poland combined with antipolish propaganda. I will add information from it to polonophobia article. Especially comic was the schocked statement that Poles didn't want to live under the benevolennt scepter of Russian emperor. I guess it was a Jesuit intrigue :D -- Molobo 04:57, 29 March 2006 (UTC)
Irpen, can we please make that article as balanced as possible? Molobo did not contribute to ths article, and trying to justify bad practices by what he does is completely out of order. Furthermore, it borders on WP:Point.
BTW, please archive more of your talk. The page is so long that editing it is very slow, on my computer at least. Balcer 19:31, 3 April 2006 (UTC)
Please stop removing the source tag from the image Image:Rycina 1752 Palac Branickich.jpg and making remarks about "copyright paranoia". All images need to have a source, this one has no source and not even who the artist is. If a source is provided, then all is fine, until then this image will be tagged. Gryffindor 21:10, 6 April 2006 (UTC)
If you can't figure it that the image's old, I can't help. 3RR rule applies to everyone, yourself included. WP:IAR is a very important reminder and it is written exactly for cases like this. Pls no wikilawyering and use some common sense. If you have time on your hands, please help add content to WP rather than remove it. Removal has to be justified by some real danger. This vintage image doesn't pose any of it. I suggest you leave it alone. See m:Copyright paranoia. -- Irpen 21:27, 6 April 2006 (UTC)
Irpen, count me in for 3RR matters involving commons sense and paintings. I tried looking for the soure of this painting and couldn't find it - but we can as well assume it was a photo made by Witkacy or something. It is old and pd-art obviously applies.-- Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus Talk 01:24, 7 April 2006 (UTC)
Thanks! Yes indeed. Even the orchestra is beautiful! - Irpen 07:13, 1 April 2006 (UTC)
Because they were trhown off and never returned. And you of course hint to your ill-fated Volodarka crusade. There is a difference. In Volodarka, Soviets failed to break Polish defences but:
By your logic, all defences consist of defenders victories (how many, I wonder. As many as there are hours, minutes, or seconds?) How many Russian victories was there at Siege of Smolensk (1609-11) that Poles eventually captured?
I explained that to you earlier. Please stop pestering and please use descriptive section titles. How meaningful is LOL in TOC? -- Irpen 13:39, 7 April 2006 (UTC)
FC St. Pauli has been selected as this week's collaboration. Please do help in working to improve it.
Благодарю за приглашение. Мне померещилось или право русская община на Вики захилела(кажется англоязычных статей о России и СССР порядком больше чем русских)? Crocodilicus 10:22, 9 April 2006 (UTC)
Before we start another revert war on List of invasions, please read carefully what our Invasion article says:
An invasion is a military action consisting of armed forces of one geopolitical entity entering territory controlled by another such entity, generally with the objective of conquering territory or altering the established government. An invasion can be the cause of a war, it can be used as a part of a larger strategy to end a war, or it can constitute an entire war in and of itself.
Balcer 15:15, 13 April 2006 (UTC)
The Vorkuta article has been locked from editing. Discution continues at Talk:Vorkuta. -- Petri Krohn 15:31, 13 April 2006 (UTC)
A friendly note: use Talk:Polish September Campaign page for discussion on Polish September Campaign. For discussions related to User:Halibutt use User talk:Halibutt. As simple as that. It keeps the talk pages clean from spam. // Halibu tt 20:05, 13 April 2006 (UTC)
Well, it's one of those neverending low intensity conflicts that have been going on for centuries in various parts of Europe. To quote Ogden Nash:
And so it goes for ages and eons Between these neighboring Europeans, I hope that such perpetual motion Stays where it started, across the ocean. :-)
Ahasuerus 20:13, 13 April 2006 (UTC)
The version at Commons has no source information either. I came here from there. Jkelly 19:42, 14 April 2006 (UTC)
I blanked the exchange that has no info and no value and I responded in the edit summary. I keep any criticism in my talk and in archives and you can check it. I don't need to keep the exchanges that are pointless. But since you are willing to make a ethics issue out of this, I will sure keep it from now on, don't worry.
The m:Copyright paranoia is very tiresome. This image is clearly an OK one. Old enough so that there is no threat of the infringement lawsuite against Wiki foundation. Too bad that some overzealous users turn themsleves into a self-appointed Copyright police and aggressively tag clearly harmless and non-threatening images endangering the WP content and adding work to people who would like to write some content during the time the real life leaves them for Wikipedia. Besides, this image is plastered all over internet and you can't really claim that every and each site it is posted owns its copyright. If you really have so much time on yout hands, please spend it on looking for sources of really problematic images. Not the images like this one. Or spend time yourself on finding a source of this image and a copyright excuse that would satisfy you. That would be much more productive for the community than your actions that cause a content removal and/or extra work for the others. -- Irpen 19:46, 15 April 2006 (UTC)
Hi Irpen,
Can you please help me out with Chisinau ( talk · contribs)? (aka you-know-who) So far, he's reverted the following pages:
Please contact other people if you feel that it's necessary, thank you. — Khoikhoi 19:58, 15 April 2006 (UTC)
The "dubious" tag is exactly what is needed, thanks. As this quote is given pride of place in the article, we really ought to have certainty that it has been translated correctly. Furthermore, the very placement of the quote is highly unusual, and almost certainly violates Wikipedia's manual of style. But then again, that is to be expected in an article that is a monument to POV. Balcer 01:36, 16 April 2006 (UTC)
Balcer, dubious info I tagged in Polish article is still there some after months and I haven't deleted it yet. Please give at least some reasonable time. Only info that not only unrefed but incredulous should be deleted. This is not the case. -- Irpen 16:23, 16 April 2006 (UTC)
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It was a clear massacre by any definition: shooting of a crowd, just like Bloody Sunday `' mikka (t) 19:14, 18 April 2006 (UTC)
In response to this, I was just trying to work out a compromise so Constantzeanu wouldn't revert again. I did it based on mikka's edit here. — Khoikhoi 01:56, 19 April 2006 (UTC)
Since we are trying to neutralize controversial articles, I would like to point out the Khatyn massacre article, and in particular your recent . Why do you think it warranted to remove any mention of the fact that some people believe the close resemblance of Khatyn and Katyn names is not a coincidence, but that in fact Khatyn was chosen on purpose out of hundreds of massacred Belarusian villages, to score a propaganda point? You don't even want to allow that this was a possibility. Do you really think the resemblance is pure, innocent coincidence?
Anyway, even if you disagree with this, the whole idea of NPOV is that all valid points of view are discussed. So, could we at least work into the article the statements along the lines: "some people believe the choice of Khatyn as the main war memorial in Belarus had political motives, while others believe it was just a coincidence".
Incidentally, now that Ghirlandajo has moved Khatyn to Khatyn Massacre, I am assuming you will no longer complain about the use of the word massacre in article titles. Unless of course you don't support Ghirlandajo's move, in which case I invite you to move the article back. Balcer 04:59, 19 April 2006 (UTC)
Balcer, my view is that Massacres and Genocides in titles should be used only when there are no good alternative titles. Here, since the places are mostly known by these events, the solution to use just placenames exists. The message on whether something was indeed a massacre or a genocide can be conveyed to the reader from the article itself. There is no need to send this message from a title. Besides, for almost every massacre and genocide there is a POV that this wasn't one. Such debate need to be presented in the article text and, the title should not prejudge such discussion.
I honestly never thought about the connection between the two. I view Khatyn as well as other similar actions by Nazis as a horrific crime. Debate on the Soviets picking this one may be mentioned provided it doesn't make half-an-article which would be difficult now, while the article is small. Similar debate about whether Holodomor was a genocide is presented in the Holodomor article along even with the lunatic view that Holodomor never happened or was caused by natural reasons. However, the Holodomor article is sufficiently detailed on the events to accord some space to such discussion and such discussion don't obscure the info about the Holodomor itslef. In Khatyn we may get the article about the massacre almost entirely devoted to the speculations about its role in the Soviet propaganda. -- Irpen 05:47, 19 April 2006 (UTC)
This is your Very Sterm Warning re WP:3RR at Uprising of Khotin. Please don't do it, no matter how correct you are. And I suppose a reminder about no-ownership-of-articles, too. But since I've protected the article you escape a block William M. Connolley 18:55, 20 April 2006 (UTC)
William, I have not even 3 but only two reverts. I only reverted two times within 24 hours and even those where to remove the trollish unexplained tag. No matter how right I felt I would have never violated the 3RR. If dealing with good faith users, I try to avoid reverting at all as much as possible. Blocking a user or even leaving an warning message with an accusatory edit summary at someone's talk should not be taken lightly without studying the matter. I provided a detailed analysis here. I hope now, once we are clear about the facts, we can move on to creating content. Please be careful about strangely placed compliants with ommitted time stamps and placed clearly by someone's socks. -- Irpen 00:29, 21 April 2006 (UTC)
William, I had not 4 and not 3 but only 2 reverts according even to the strictest rules. I analyzed this in every detail here. The whole matter is now well behind and the issue is moot anyway, since 1) there was never 4 edits, let alone reverts, within 24 hours; 2) Even though 2 per day is better to avoid, I was clearly dealing with a bad faith editor who refused to talk; 3) My opponent was obviously a sock on a mission to provoke me into 3RR which he failed anyway. The bottomline is in the end of my message at the 3RR board. -- Irpen 23:53, 21 April 2006 (UTC)
FYI: Predictions of Soviet collapse. Travb 07:53, 21 April 2006 (UTC)
Maybe of interest to you ... there is a discussion on Wikipedia:Stub_types_for_deletion (scroll down to April 20, Transnistria) about the Transnistria-stub and I am the only one who is participacing who has even the slightest knowledge of the region. You may want to chip in with your own view of the situation. So far, I am the only outsider who is replying to the "Stub Gods". - Mauco 12:46, 24 April 2006 (UTC)
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Sorry that I have neglected to respond further to Piotrus' request for mediation, back at the end of March. I've been drawn away from Wikipedia by other responsibilities and don't expect to spend much time back here for a while yet. Apologies and best regards, — Michael Z. 2006-05-03 15:20 Z
Thanks so much for the recognition. I appreciate it very much, and it means a little more comming from you, since you are an editor whose work I admire. I hope I can live up to the high standards of WP in the future, and I hope we can work together on more Ukraine-related tpoics. Thanks again. Kevlar67 23:36, 9 May 2006 (UTC)
Sorry, I had no intention to contribute to the article on Kostomarov. I merely pointed to the fact that the guy represented quite a one-sided view on history and that much of what he wrote (and of what you quoted as a source) is factually inaccurate. So far I didn't have time to finish the chapter. It is fascinating as a monument to Russian vision of history, but I simply left for the weekend (a German wikipedians' meeting on Usedom island) and did not return until 4am today.
As to EB being a decent source - I admit I have (rather bad) experience only with EB1911, which is not a best source for the history of Central Europe as it is known to reflect only the Russian 19th-centurish view and for a complete disregard on other views. I hope modern EB is better than its predecessor. Anyway, I always prefer to discuss original sources rather than other encyclopedias, as it is easier to check the sources the author used - and the author himself. Cheers! Halibu tt 00:47, August 30, 2005 (UTC)
The source that is available online says clearly that it was a Polish victory. So, in fact it's not that it's my conclusion, it's Fudakowski's conclusion. Halibu tt 04:06, 8 October 2005 (UTC)
Also, from now on I'm stopping to watch your talk page. As a sign of courtesy you could reply at my talk page. Halibu tt 21:43, 9 October 2005 (UTC)
Check again WP:Civil. An academic source does not call it a victory. The one that does is, as I explained, not credible in this respect for two reasons. If you cite that Davies also agrees that it is a defeat, I will accept it. -- Irpen 21:49, 9 October 2005 (UTC)
Very well, could you ask Piotrus to check then? As I said, I will accept the Davies' version. I thought you said you don't have Davies in English but have him in Polish. So, I assumed you cold check that. -- Irpen 22:09, 9 October 2005 (UTC)
Hi there, Irpen! First of all, thank you for your kind words on my "Siege of..." articles. I hope they won't be badly butchered by our Polish wikipedians :). As for the voting, I really feel that some admin or sysop (whatever they're called) should intervene and sort out this mess with sock puppets and one-time visitors. Otherwise, this voting doesn't make any sense and will have to be moved to arbitration committee or something. Btw, was this AndriyK blocked? Do you know? Take care and I'll see you in the Russian Portal, as always. KNewman 18:08, 2 November 2005 (UTC)
I am prepared to go for ArbCom on the issue as way as in general against the user who made all this trouble. This is, however, rather time consuming. OTOH, recruiting voters at forums popular among the Russian chauvinists may result in future debates that would be even more time consuming. Personally, I prefer the ArbCom as I explained earleir. -- Irpen 07:02, 3 November 2005 (UTC)
If I should revert this or not. Ghirlandajo comment, unsuprisingly, is not helpful. What do you think? In other news, I have been thinking about making our EENoticeboard more active. One thing that would be useful would be a listing of pages with disputes involving our editors (like currently Międzymorze, and maybe others I might be interested in but am not aware of). We can also have a list of past discussions with a summary of a compromise reached (like on Domeyko and Polish-Soviet War). -- Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus Talk 02:09, 5 November 2005 (UTC)
Map was done by Halibutt, and it is still beta. Feel free to nag him to do a new, better version :) I just got tired of waiting :) -- Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus Talk 14:41, 6 November 2005 (UTC)
Why I insist on stricter naming rules. This is specifically important from Polish perspective. As you know, territory of Poland was shifted a lot after WW2. Now, having the naming rules defined will not allow the Polish more nationalistic editors for the schizophrenic behaviour they are exercising now, where they would like to see more historical names in the East, while at the same time insisting on the modern Polish names in the west of the country. Generally, most of the towns in northern and western Poland has their German names, while also most of the countries in Lithuania, Belarus and Ukraine have Polish names. That is why I'm against "leaving it up to the authors". I think it should be set either one or another way. -- Lysy ( talk) 00:47, 6 November 2005 (UTC)
Please have a look at Wikipedia:Civility#Examples.
As I pointed you out many times, the city name Chernihiv is applied by creadible English-language sources to all periods of history: [46], [47], [48], [49], [50] [51], [52].
Why do you misinform other users telling that it's "anachronism". Don't you have a better argument except lies?-- AndriyK 16:30, 7 November 2005 (UTC)
You lie again! You did not show me that "Chernigov is preferred in historic context". You've cited something using both"Chernigov" and "Chernihiv" without any reference to the source.
Even if other sources use "Chernigov", this is not a reason to to call "Chernihiv" "anachronism". Or you pretend to be more competent in modern English than the authors and editorial board members of the sources I cited above?-- AndriyK 16:47, 7 November 2005 (UTC)
AndriyK, voting at talk:Oleg of Chernihiv have shown that Wikipedians somehow see this an anachronism and most of those who think optherwise are recruited by you absentee voters with no clue of the issue, just like those recruited by Yanuk and his fellow criminals in former zlochynna vlada. As for the real academic specialists, read my response to you at Wikipedia_talk:Naming_conventions/Geographic_names#Text_of_the_Article as well as what almost every Wikipedian who established himslef my his contributions have been telling you. And please discuss things at the relevant talk pages, so that more editors can see you.
By your "you lies!" BS you are just making a fool of yourself. Better yet, do it at more public discussion pages than at my talk. OTOH, I do not object to your using my talk for showing off and I did not delete any of your comments so far from it. -- Irpen 17:21, 7 November 2005 (UTC)
I copied your answer because the discussion is not about the naming convention but rather about your dispute style and your ignoring of facts.-- AndriyK 18:29, 7 November 2005 (UTC)
AndriyK, too bad that when you decided to join the discussion, your input is mainly a twist and a personal attack.
As for the links you posted, several are just WP mirrors that prove nothing. Link to Encartha is a dead link and I can't check it. PDF file from fco.gov.uk indeed uses Chernihiv for historic times, but it is hardly an academic publication and more like a CIA fact book (still notable but would be more important if it was a book by a historian). Your link to Britannica disproves your point more than it proves it. Yes, EB uses Chernihiv in Chernihiv article but, as I have shown at Talk:Chernihiv#Britannica.27s_use_in_historical_context, EB uses Chernigov in the articles of every historical person (and there are several articles like that).
The whole point about the text usage, is not about manipulating, but about writing articles. I wrote the Chernihiv article and you came in and the only thing you did was name manipulation. That's why a proposed an additional ethics rule at EE portal but too bad you don't support that because otherwise you would have to write things in order to see your favorite names, much harder than edit warring. You started to write an article about the principality and you started to use Chernihiv there. Too bad you abandoned that. The flexible rule might have allowed you to keep it but I guess writing articles is just too hard and not very interesting. -- Irpen 01:36, 7 November 2005 (UTC)
I did not say that Encarta's is invalid, I said that I cannot comment until I read it. The link you posted was not to an abstract which can be expaned upon supscription but to an error message. Maybe it is an Encarta's bug. I will check the new links you posted and will comment on them at Talk:Chernihiv. I don't know what you mean by learning of the past usage at Wikipedia from mirrors. All histories in WP are available as only the stuff like copyvios (like what you or your buddy used to add), threatening texts and other similarly inappropriate stuff are deleted from history too. Chernihiv article was written by me from scratch as you can check here and later expanded by other editors. You don't need to go to mirrors to find this out, check the histories. I have elaborated on Britannica's usage at Talk:Chernihiv#Britannica.27s_use_in_historical_context. I have elaborated on the Church debates at the appropriate talk pages too. Take the discussion there, so that others can see it if you have anything more to say.
You are wasting yours and my time by limiting this just to me and by trying to make your position more convinsing through a name calling or resorting to the Party of Regions tactics of recruiting absentee voters and/or revert warriors that would, like this user wrote "shoot under your command" (I hope they didn't use sockpuppets for that, I will try my best to have this whole matter indestigated). Your time will be used more effectively if you debate this at article's talk and see whether it is just me, or others too find your arguments unconvinsing. -- Irpen 19:00, 7 November 2005 (UTC)
Please think once more. Is it nice to have one spelling in the title and another one is the article?-- AndriyK 20:21, 9 November 2005 (UTC)
If you doubt the validity of the vote, please provide the reference to WP Policies confirming your assertions. In any case, the present title of the article is Oleg of Chernihiv. Is it nice to use another spelling in the text?-- AndriyK 09:52, 10 November 2005 (UTC)
So, I was right about the ensuing battle for Holodomor, wasn't I? Sashazlv 06:07, 19 November 2005 (UTC)
thanks for pointing out what's going on there. I may need support, though. Dietwald 20:51, 19 November 2005 (UTC)
Not long ago you did not believe that creation of the "Polish Imperialism" redirect was a purposeful provocation by Ghirlandajo. I'm curious to see your opinion now, after a new redirect of his: Polish invasion of Russia. -- Lysy ( talk) 10:21, 20 November 2005 (UTC)
Personally, I disagree with this redirect and I would be willing to mediate but it isn't very likely that all sides accept me as a mediator. Personally, I think that the "Polish Invasion of Russia" should be used for a different war, that it the Polish-Muscovite War (1605-1618). Reasons I outlined at that article's talk as well as the other alternative name (Russo-Polish War). -- Irpen 23:44, 20 November 2005 (UTC)
Hi Irpen, please see my message Edit wars on the Talk:Oleg of Chernihiv page.
I don't agree on A-M, N-Z bs. I agree to discuss the naming convention and I am discussing it already. However, all versions there, so far, include historical usage, where appropriate. I am prepared to go to arbitration regarding your frivolous bad-faith page moving, redirect creation, vote fraud, copyright violations, disruptive behavior and personal attacks (including off-site forums). -- Irpen 15:46, 22 November 2005 (UTC)
I prefer to deal with your behavior in the way prescribed by the policies. I described your offences above. I haven't seen any change and/or appology. I agree on specific resolutions topic by topic, like St V's. As for your general pattern, you simply can't do this and come back and say "let's negotiate". Neither you would undo your frivolous moves/redirects, nor you would admit to vote fraud and appologize, nor would you appologize for the personal attacks. At least not yet. -- Irpen 15:59, 22 November 2005 (UTC)
I will provide the evidence of this as well as of other policy and ethics violations by you soon, don't worry. And I don't mean just the two moves where you engaged into vote fraud. Others are made in a simial bad faith. As for "slandering", that's really funny to hear that from you. -- Irpen 16:13, 22 November 2005 (UTC)
No, I'm not troubled about it being mentioned as long as you think this is credible. I'm only interested to learn more and would be happy to see some sources supporting it, other than magazine articles. I don't have any sources that would be useful WRT whether there was siginficant plundering or not. What is plundering anyway ? Civilians killed or raped ? Villages burnt ? I hope Poles did not do it, especially that Piłsudski apparently respected Ukrainians, but it would be good to know. You said you'll try to research this when you have time and that's fine with me. Thanks. -- Lysy ( talk) 21:30, 27 November 2005 (UTC)
Thanks Irpen. І Вас з Новим Роком! Веселих Свят! Ukrained 00:19, 1 January 2006 (UTC)
Thanks a lot! Happy New Year! C Новым Годом! З Новим Роком! abakharev 00:28, 1 January 2006 (UTC)
Hey Irpen. I'm adding my thanks and best wishes also. May 2006 be a good year for you and your close ones ;) mno 01:21, 1 January 2006 (UTC)
З новим роком. Thanks for adding an entry on my talk page ^^ - Iopq 06:21, 1 January 2006 (UTC)
Thanks. Good to see you around too! Happy New Year! 172 07:44, 1 January 2006 (UTC)
Спасибо, Ирпенюшка! Тебя также с праздниками! А газ им всё-таки отключили... KNewman 08:33, 1 January 2006 (UTC)
very thoughtful of you:) Best wishes Dietwald 19:02, 1 January 2006 (UTC)
Thanks Irpen. Щасливого нового pокy!-- SylwiaS | talk 19:24, 1 January 2006 (UTC)
Best regards and thanks for the congratulation. I just want to let you know that after reading the replies on Zach's discussion page, I have decided to suspend my participation until the issue with advertisements gets clarified. My impression is that they (administrators) discussed it amongst themselves and agreed it would be "a lesser evil" to keep things going. As soon as the first ad is posted, I will quit permanently. I feel I was cheated out. Sashazlv 20:07, 1 January 2006 (UTC)
Thanks. Happy New Year to you, too ! -- Lysy ( talk) 20:15, 1 January 2006 (UTC)
Спасибо за поздравление! И тебя тоже с праздником!-- Pecher 19:02, 2 January 2006 (UTC)
Perhaps you need to make sure that you compare the original with the current text in Ukrainian language prior to posting and reposting ridiculous warnings. There is no even remote semblance of copyright violation. Just imagination.-- Andrew Alexander 08:24, 29 January 2006 (UTC)
What I would like to do first of all, is to restore much of the removed information from the article deleted by your now blocked friend as well as by yourself. I made a committment to myself to get back to this article once the arbitration is over. If my expansion of the article will prompt a discussion and in the end it would be decided to restore the phrases you "borrowed" from wumag, we will discuss their modifications. I will need a little time to go over several months of edits to not forget good faith changes of so many users to be included. -- Irpen 08:49, 29 January 2006 (UTC)
Hi Irpen,
Thank you for your support with Novostroika. I admit there's a lot of issues with the article, and my comments on the request to delete page was that they're free to do as they wish. I am generally disappointed with the state of wikipedia, where if information is not necessarily relevat it is deleted rather than changed/moved. Best, mno 20:43, 1 March 2006 (UTC)
I like help out where I can. You've done some good work here. Tufkaa 04:55, 3 March 2006 (UTC)
Take a look there should be expanded, but some heavy POV-pushing is going on. (I started to neturalise it) -- Kuban Cossack 22:40, 14 March 2006 (UTC)
I really want to thank you for going over the article and pointing out where online citations are needed. On this subject, could you provide a link for your (I think) ref #7 (Britannica, Union of Lublin - middle of the 2nd lead para)? Btw, you've called my request for citation for Kiev Rus 'pestering' yet you have asked for same data in the PLC article. As I have provided that date for PLC article, can I assume you'll go back and add the relevant citation to the KR article? :) -- Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus Talk 17:31, 19 March 2006 (UTC)
Please read Wikipedia:Verifiability carefully. Now you have to options:
What will you choose this time?-- AndriyK 19:02, 21 March 2006 (UTC)
Would not it better to give a single reference instead of writing two long paragraphs about ethics, Common sense and bla-bla-bla? Or you do not have any reference and the "Stalinist style" of the Verkhovna Rada building is just your own fantasy?-- AndriyK 12:29, 22 March 2006 (UTC)
"Any article can be disrupted by continues pestering disguised as "calling for sources""
"Any number of fact tags may be thrown into any articles at any time."
This is exactly what your friend does
[55].--
AndriyK 16:28, 22 March 2006 (UTC)
I've just blocked Molobo and he isn't taking it well. Oddly enough. If you felt like having a word over at his talk page I'd be grateful, as you've been a moderating influence in the past, I think (I'm not very sure how the factions or whatever around this line up, so please forgive me if I'm embarassing myself here). If you have any comments on his block, I'll listen (reply here, SVP) William M. Connolley 22:22, 29 March 2006 (UTC)
As you already know, Molobo will be taking a break ( Wikipedia:Administrators'_noticeboard/Incidents#Molobo_blocked_for_disruptive_edit_warring). Hopefully this will lower the temperature in Polish-Russian and Polish-German relations on Wikipedia, so to speak.
I hope that the Alexander Nevsky Cathedral, Warsaw controversy that we had such a long argument over is now resolved. Reading back over my comments towards you I see that I have used some words that might have hurt your feelings. I should also not have claimed you acted in bad faith. It is not my place to judge the motives of another editor. For all this, I apologize. Balcer 22:31, 10 April 2006 (UTC)
Balcer, please view my answer shortly at Piotrus' talk. Thanks! -- Irpen 23:44, 10 April 2006 (UTC)
Balcer, and, yes, I was proposing the exact same solution you just said regarding the ocntroversy of "Soviet liberation". I kept saying "liberation from Nazis", not just "liberation". Just check the article's talk! Piotrus was inclined to agree. Molobo of course not. Halibutt, who lately got inclreasingly radicalized, was also staunchly opposing to any word that might have given any credit to those evil Russkie and even made a mockery out of the image (see this.) -- Irpen 02:02, 11 April 2006 (UTC)
I should say that I find your revert back into Soviet propaganda version deeply disturbing. But moving onto less personal observations:
-- Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus Talk 05:03, 16 April 2006 (UTC)
Your revert of Number 6 was done as if in haste. When I followed on Molobo's article, I almost never reverted him wholesale but tried to merge whatever I could from his edits into the following version. If you join and article, spend an adequate time there, that's all.
I still hope you will help me with the mess of massacres article titles. -- Irpen 05:11, 16 April 2006 (UTC)
Piotrus, I think the parade belongs to a narrower Battle of Brześć Litewski article. Similarly, I didn't add the Rydz' Kiev parade and vandalizing Kiev to an entire PSW article, only to an article devoted to a narrower episode of it. -- Irpen 03:23, 19 April 2006 (UTC)
My protege - Dnieper Hydroelectric Station, if we can't put it on the main, we can certainly put it on the portal where the Hero of Ukraine featured article is long in need of replacement. -- Kuban Cossack 13:54, 20 April 2006 (UTC)
==Happy Easter==
Don't know if you celebrate Orthodox Easter, or not. If you do, Happy Easter, if you do not, Greetings to you, and Best Wishes anyway! Dr. Dan 21:29, 22 April 2006 (UTC)
I think AndriyK just got himself a sock [57]. -- Kuban Cossack 16:57, 25 April 2006 (UTC)
Well, it just looks that I am so much more cruel than you are :)— Ëzhiki (ërinacëus amurënsis) • ( yo?); 17:31, 26 April 2006 (UTC)
Alex, thanks for caring for the civility at Wikipedia! I fully share your concern and appreciate you reminding me to keep my cool. Most involved with the Eastern European history article can always use such a reminder and myself included.
As far as the specific difflink is concerned, several qualifications are in order. First of all, my expressed opinion that certain users put a shame on the Ukrainian wiki-community was based entirely on those users incivility. Three users I named are notable for the fierce personal attacks on their opponents, and especially, perpetual bad faith accusations (applies to all three). Two of the three users mentioned in the difflink above while engaged into attacking the others are also guilty in using an extremely horrific language unacceptable not only in Wikipedia but even at the internet fora, where the civility rules are much more laxed. One example is just above, more can be found in checking that user's contributions and in AndriyK's arbitration case.
As such, my statement is basically that those with the filthy mouth put an entire community they claim to represent in the bad light. If you find it disputable, please let me know and we can continue this discussion.
Also, I notice your message starts with the "People complain" thingy. I checked the contributions of those three involved users and haven't seen their complaints. Moreover, no entries at WP:AN/I, no RfC's filings, actually nothing. So, I guess one of them, and I can even guess who, contacted you privately, picking up on you recent (too mild, IMO) warning to the owner of an extremely filthy mouth trying to embarrass you into getting involved and "prove your fairness and even-handiness". Caught in this embarrassing situation in a trap set by the bad-faith user, you rushed to "act", and perhaps didn't check what was going on thoroughly enough. If AndriyK, instead of contacting you, brought up his request at WP:AN/I, the issue would have been investigated and seen by anyone uninvolved as a hollow one. He might have been even warned himself for trolling. This reminds me of a similar clumsy trap [58] [59] set against you earlier by user:Ukrained. A striking similarity! Please take investigating the complaints you receive more seriously.
Finally, I would more than welcome any of the "offended" to file an RfC against me if they see my entry as a personal attack, harassment or such. That in the months of being here they found nothing to instigate any action just shows how much merit their accusations have.
More of passionate responses of those involved would not surprize me. -- Irpen 01:43, 4 May 2006 (UTC)
Dear Irpen, if you disagree that the difinition of Ukrainization in the corresponding article is an Original Research, please proviode the reference to a creadible source where this definition came from.
Removing the OR-tag does not solve the problem. If you do not agree with me that the definition should be taken from a creadible source rather than invented by a wikipedian, let's go through the dispute resolution procedure. (see WP:DR).
In any case, the tag should be there, until the dispute is resolved.-- AndriyK 08:56, 5 May 2006 (UTC)
Hello, Irpen/archived closed issues, and thank you for vote on my recent RfA! With a final vote of 62/2/4, I have now been entrusted with the mop, bucket and keys. As I acclimate myself to my new tools, feel free to let me know how you believe I might be able to use them to help the project. Thanks again! Radio Kirk talk to me 05:38, 6 May 2006 (UTC) |
-- Kuban Cossack 00:46, 9 May 2006 (UTC)
Поздравляю с великим праздником - Днём Победы! Ура!
Cossack 02:44, 9 May 2006 (UTC)
Thanks :) I am not leaving, but I don't have as much Wikitime as I used to, so I tend to pick random short articles and uplift them when I have a few minutes :) Ahasuerus 03:40, 9 May 2006 (UTC)
Hello, Irpen. I hope you approve of my latest edits at Wikipedia:Selected anniversaries/May 9 & Victory Day (Eastern Europe). Let me, or other admins like abakharev, know if there are still problems on the MainPage. Thanks. -- PFHLai 09:53, 9 May 2006 (UTC)
Discussion regarding revert has been left in the Victory Day (Eastern Europe) article discussion.
Hello! I am seeking detailed information on the history of the villages of Ясенівці and Залісся (Золочівський район, Lviv 'oblast'). They may be in English, Polish, Ukrainian or Russian. Zalissia was called Zalesie in Polish. Yasenivtsi (also spelled Yasenovtsy, Jasenivci) was spelled Jasienowce, Jasieniowce and Jasionowce in Polish. The only information I've got come from Slownik Geograficzny Krolestwa Polskiego 1880-1902 and Księga Adresowa Polski(=Poland Business Directories) of the years 1891,1926-1930 - there are some population data and some surnames. I have placed these information at uk.wikipedia.org (Залісся, Ясенівці). So far, the largest source on them is there... I would be grateful if you could help me and provide me with some additional information on the history of these villages. These may be some Ukrainian encyclopedias/glossaries/guide-books entries. Word or scanned documents. I am willing to help you in the things you are interested in... I may look up some information for you. Have a nice day! -- Riva72 21:32, 12 May 2006 (UTC)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Effects_of_World_War_II
Article now presents a picture that Germany was the main victim of WW2, nothing is mentioned about the enourmous devestation made by German armies in WW2 in terms of infrastracture, industry that needed to be rebuilded after WW2 in territories of Poland and Soviet Union, the claim of organised rapes is being repeated. The Red Army rape claims are repeated. Perhaps you know the date on destruction in SU ? -- Molobo 17:36, 13 May 2006 (UTC)
Can you add your 2 cents to the Stalin discussion page. ( Deng 21:44, 13 May 2006 (UTC))
I wonder how you would square the claims the Poles blew up Kiev's railway station in 1920 with information given here and here. My Ukrainian is not that great, so please use the information contained in these links to make appropriate changes in Kiev Offensive article. Balcer 21:51, 13 May 2006 (UTC)
Now let me ask some more questions about the Poles blowing up the Kiev electric power station. How come there is no mention of that in this timeline? How come it is not mentioned in this detailed article? Again, my Ukrainian is rudimentary, so insights would be appreciated. Balcer 23:23, 13 May 2006 (UTC)
Sorry, Balcer. Haven't got to this yet. But it's high on my list. Just give me a little time. Also, in connection to my previous message at your talk, this is another interesting reading. Is this typical attitude in Polish press, I wonder? -- Irpen
I didn't mean graphics, I meant the text. I have a translation and found the article totally disgusting and there is much other similar stuff coming from that paper. If PSW is going to the mainpage, it should get the utmost attention now. I am sorry to see such a POV article to be at the mainpage soon, but I will try to do what I can to have at least some problems addressed. -- Irpen 04:34, 15 May 2006 (UTC)
From what I see those links don't mention these events. However, the power station links don't have a word for an entire 1910-1955 period (no doubt other notable events took place at that time). The railway station links speak generally about the building of the station and not the junctions infrastructure. I don't think Poles blew up the building as I see them as no vandals. The article makes sourced claims, and goes into length explaining that claims are restricted to particular sources only. I've seen this claimed made elsewhere on the web and I can't remember sites. Will need time to dig them up if you insist on more sources. More on that paper: [60], [61] and this is just a small part (in no way I want to say this is related to K.O. but this is in regards to another dispute we had). -- Irpen 05:17, 15 May 2006 (UTC)
Balcer, we are not talking about "vandalism" here anyway. It is a POV term at any rate. What objects of the city's infrastructure were destroyed by Poles is the issue here, no more, no less. Yes, I've seen other writings about the Polish actions in Kiev on the Net in the past. That prompted me to look for a serious claims on that and that's how I found the Meltyukhov's reference. I plan on digging up other sites where I saw that (I don't now remember) as I didn't save them preferring to use a serious books rather than web-sites to support the claim. Due to your persistence, I am going to go find other refs.
Since your point here is that the claim even referenced to an otherwise acceptable source can be removable if, in view of anything else, it makes little sense, may I ask you to take a look at the statement at Halibutt's Treatment of Polish citizens by occupiers that as late as in '39 Soviets used "Dicatorship of Proletariat" slogans during the Sovietization of Western Ukraine annexed from Poland. This term seems a total anachronism for late 30s' as I explained at talk (Search for "Dictatorship" string if you can't read an entire talk page). Halibutt sources this to some book but I have a feeling that either he misquotes (non-deliberately) or the author messed up. In the meanwhile, I will check the ru- and ua-nets for more evidence on Polish behavior. -- Irpen 18:56, 15 May 2006 (UTC)
Heh, that is because of the edit conflict between you and me lol... Anyway, I reworded my statement accordingly. Cheers, -- Grafikm (AutoGRAF) 23:18, 14 May 2006 (UTC)
I recently expanded the Warsaw Uprising (1794) article, and I added two (probably polonized) names of Russian generals. I hope that you can correct them, maybe link to existing articles (for the first one I couldn't even find a first name). The first one is gen. Chruszczow whom Igelstrom sent from Warsaw to intercept Kościuszka with part of the W. garrison, the second one is Ivan Nowickij who was apparently stationed nearby or part of the garrison. If you could add names of other prominent Russian commanders that were involved in the event, it would be great: currently majority of the names are Polish. PS. Perhaps you could also add names of the Russian commanders to other battle of the K. Insurrection?-- Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus Talk 01:28, 17 May 2006 (UTC)
I have not thanked you yet for the honour you gave me. Thank you very much, I really feel very honoured and will carry your barnstar wherever I go... :-) -- Daniel Bunčić 06:15, 18 May 2006 (UTC)
Thank you for your vote on my RfA. Unfortunately there was no consensus reached at 43 support, 18 oppose and 8 neutral. I've just found out that there is a feature in "my preferences" that forces me to use edit summaries. I've now got it enabled :) Thanks again. Sukh | ਸੁਖ | Talk 15:46, 20 May 2006 (UTC)
Is there a way to block an anon vandal relatively quickly? Some guy keeps adding an offensive, unsourced photo there and I've grown tired of reverting it repeatedly (as have others). Regards, Faustian 18:06, 22 May 2006 (UTC)
Hi, I'm sorry to see that with this edit you have removed the map illustrating the war. What was the purpose of this edit ? What's happening to you ? -- Lysy talk 16:53, 25 May 2006 (UTC)
If all that interests you is my own views on these, I have no problem explaining them here. However, I would like to discuss the article-related issues such that other interested parties may take part. Please see my recent entry at talk:PSW on the infobox image. -- Irpen 18:07, 25 May 2006 (UTC)
The problem that I have is that your edits at Polish-Soviet War and Polish-Muscovite War (1605–1618) have different nature, and it's therefore difficult to discuss both at talk:PSW. I do not intend to offend you but I think your removal of the map from Polish-Muscovite War (1605–1618) is on the verge of trolling. At PSW we simply do not have a good single map to illustrate the article. -- Lysy talk 18:15, 25 May 2006 (UTC)
If this can't be called trolling, I don't know what can. I don't "accuse" Molobo of trolling as frequently as you state because he is not trolling that much. When he is trolling (like above), it's a different story. As for your accusation of WP:POINT, please elaborate if you really want to make a record. As far as I remember, I made this edit. By it not only I replaced the questionable painting by a neutral map in the infobox (note that I didn't remove the painting, but moved it to an article section) but tidied up the images layout, organizing them in columns rather than having them messing up the text making it horribly looking. The main thing of that edit, however, was not tiding up but NPOVing. In no time Lysy not only reverted me, restoring the questionable image in the infobox, but claimed in the edit summary that this was only a "layout" restoration. Now, who was acting in bad faith? I hope no one, really. -- Irpen 05:34, 27 May 2006 (UTC)
Kindly then share your knowledge in a constructive manner, telling exactly what is the solution and what are its reasons. A summary opinion does not help. Marrtel 08:37, 26 May 2006 (UTC)
This user has recently done some minor damage to the articles on my watchlist. He doesn't seem to be a vandal, rather a newcomer who doesn't know yet how to properly edit articles. Sashazlv 20:29, 26 May 2006 (UTC)
Hi - I have removed the Image:Warsaw uprising.jpg section of the PUI page since the image has been deleted. The discussion can be found here and the summary from the file deletion is:
If you feel the deletion was incorrect, please start by contacting Nv8200p directly. If there is still a disagreement, the issue can be brought up at WP:DRV. Thanks - SCEhard T 18:32, 28 May 2006 (UTC)
I am sorry but I don't understand Russian what do these words mean which you used: it meant "kill", similar to Russian "Bey polyakov" or "Bey nemtsev".? I don't know about Russian language much since we no longer are forced to learn it, but in Polish bij means to beat up somebody. Cheers. -- Molobo 19:00, 28 May 2006 (UTC)
So Molobo that would meant that learning Russian had some use...;) Since it was Irpen,perhaps he should learn Polish ;) -- Molobo 10:26, 29 May 2006 (UTC)
I know that PL bij = RU bey literally means "beat". I was talking the closest in context translation, not the literal one. "Bij Polaka" or "Bij Bolszewika" in the context of war certainly doesn't imply "beat" or "kick his ass". In the war it implies killing the enemy. Do you see this differently? -- Irpen 05:47, 31 May 2006 (UTC)
See Special:Contributions/Vlachul. — Khoikhoi 18:15, 29 May 2006 (UTC)
1. It's no secret that Ukraine's independence, in Pilsudki's view, depended on democratic principals, in contrast to the threats posed by the totalitarianism of Soviet Russia. There's nothing else to it; cold, hard facts. And if Soviet Russia cant be called totalitarian (anachronistic woes?), then what? 2. Quote has been faithfuly translated. Dont know what you mean. PS The diligent and very militant Ghirla took no delay in reverting me, so no worries. Reichenbach 08:23, 31 May 2006 (UTC)
Hey Irpen,
When you have the time, could you check out the Hutsuls article and make sure it's neutral? Thanks. — Khoikhoi 18:22, 2 June 2006 (UTC)
Sorry for bothering you, but I have a question about Russian/Ukrainain pronounciation. I have always been intrigued as to why words that have the /h/ sound in other language are often transliterated using г in Russian and pronounced likewise. Then I saw that the г letter involves the /h/ sound in native words as well, for example "ого" which would be pronounced as oho rather than ogo. I was wondering whether it is always correct to pronounce the letter г as h in Russian if you know that the word has an /h/ sound in the word's native tongue, for example Гитлер or Робин Гуд, even though conventionally the sounds are pronounced as /g/.
Then I saw that in Ukrainian the letter г actually denotes the /h/ sound whereas the letter ґ represents the /h/ sound. My question about that is in words where the letter г is used would that sound be pronounced like /h/ in the word "hello" for instance? Then for the words холод and голод the difference is only between the /h/ and /kh/ sound, right, the word голод is not pronounced using a g sound like in Russian?
Thank you, Vox Populi (TSO) 20:23, 2 June 2006 (UTC)
You're welcome and thanks for your constructive position in many contentious articles. Cheers, -- Irpen 01:35, 3 June 2006 (UTC)
Hi Irpen. That's an interesting addition to the template. A bit ironic that a template about labour is full of links to organizing ideas, and not the people themselves. :) -- Bookandcoffee 19:16, 3 June 2006 (UTC)
Keep an eye on GDP, Bonny's new sockpuppet. Also add Romania to your watchlist. Spasibo! — Khoikhoi 19:21, 3 June 2006 (UTC)
I will take care of this, don't worry. And as I always behave properly (LOL), I am not afraid of any repercussions. -- Irpen 19:28, 3 June 2006 (UTC)
Дякую! I wanted to thank you for the newcommer award you gave me. I admire your work, so it means a lot. I tried to thank you earlier and accidentally added in to your archived talk page. Thanks again, I hope to work on more projects will you in the future. Kevlar67 02:08, 4 June 2006 (UTC)
[62] What you described as "sneaky vandalism" is actually present in every history book. The city was renamed after a General who captured it in FIRST World War. -- Molobo 11:46, 6 June 2006 (UTC)
Hello Irpen! Would you mind taking a look at ru:Изображение:Teuton knights.jpg and ru:Изображение:Zamok.jpg to see if the images can be transferred to the Commons or used on the English wiki? Olessi 01:16, 7 June 2006 (UTC)
thanks for fixing this up and getting it nominatable... + + Lar: t/ c 17:54, 7 June 2006 (UTC)
Would you care to visit at Talk:Wladyslaw_II_Jagiellon_of_Poland#Survey. The simple "Jagiello" - for that there is now a formal listing going on to sign support or opposition. ObRoy 21:26, 7 June 2006 (UTC)
Hi Irpen, do you know if there exists an article about the 1864 abolition of serfdom by the czar? Appleseed ( Talk) 03:23, 8 June 2006 (UTC)
Are you thinking what I am thinking? See talk of that page. I was quite suprised when I followed the link and found... that.-- Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus Talk 02:51, 9 June 2006 (UTC)
Hi. I have proposed to move the following monarchs from their current, generally Polish-spelled names (with diacriticals) to the systematical English name, citing my general ground that English should be used, not Polish. Would you share your opinion at Talk:Bolesław I the Brave , Talk:Bolesław II the Bold, Talk:Mieszko II Lambert, Talk:Władysław III Spindleshanks, Talk:Jan I Olbracht and Talk:Kazimierz III the Great. Marrtel 19:43, 12 June 2006 (UTC)
You are correct. It is sometimes funny how one sees different things differently. You are correct that both of those events can be named invasion. I would still argue that there are important differences, and that we should aboid the use of word 'invasion' as a rule, but I will not revert this issue in Minin again.-- Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus Talk 00:59, 13 June 2006 (UTC)
Content moved to Talk:Russian architecture#Causion against removing the POV tags. for better exposure of the problem. -- Irpen 06:31, 21 June 2006 (UTC)
Can you take a look at the recent edits and see if I was out of line? Thanks!-- tufkaa 03:38, 15 June 2006 (UTC)
I was under the impression that it isn't neccessary, looking at the example of Ghirandajo [64] who moved a page without consultation. Ok thanks for the notice. -- Molobo 21:47, 16 June 2006 (UTC)
Mentioned at Social cycle theory as "an important Russian philospoher". Red link - if it rings a bell, perhaps you can redirect it or stub it? -- Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus Talk 16:25, 18 June 2006 (UTC)
Polish led is certainly more NPOV then dominated. As for democractic... you yourself note that it is word hard to define. Nonetheless I think it is important to note that it would have been a federation of independent, likely democratic countries, and not, let's say, a federation of republics or states in a single country with strong president.-- Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus Talk 20:37, 19 June 2006 (UTC)
Re: User:Travb
Thanks for the collage. You and the User:CJK have inspired me. Spaciba balshoy commrade! (Is this correct Russian?) Travb ( talk) 06:45, 21 June 2006 (UTC)
[65] and you dare to call me a troll and a vandal... // Halibu tt 07:12, 22 June 2006 (UTC)
Thank you very much! Biruitorul 11:44, 23 June 2006 (UTC)
Please vote. By the way, this talk page may get some award for being the longest user talk page in WP. You need to do something about it. Cheers, Ghirla -трёп- 13:42, 4 July 2006 (UTC)
I believe that the name is Ukrainian, not Polish. Would you correct? Xx236 10:21, 5 July 2006 (UTC)
I am surpised en wiki has no article on that, but I refuse to believe Russian wiki would also have no article to interwiki? On another note, would you happen to have a list of Russian ambassadors to PLC? I know Repnin, I found an article on pl wiki about pl:Otto Magnus von Stackelberg and on German about de:Jacob Johann Sievers. I wonder if there were other notable ambassadors? It would appear it was a pretty important posting (at least until it became obsolete :>). Last but not least: I wonder if Jan Walenty Węgierski was of Orthodox faith?-- Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus Talk 03:09, 7 July 2006 (UTC)
Thanks, Alex for being faster then me and thanks, Piotrus for the question. I think Ghirla is much more familiar with the Russian history of the time. He would be the best person to ask. To answer myself, I would need to do some reading first. -- Irpen 03:28, 7 July 2006 (UTC)
As a past participant in the discussion on how to handle the Georgia pages, I thought you might be interested to know that there's a new attempt to reach consensus on the matter being addressed at Talk:Georgia (country)#Requested_Move_-_July_2006. Please come by and share your thoughts to help form a consensus. -- Vengeful Cynic 03:40, 8 July 2006 (UTC)
Oh, a novelty, I was not reverted on sight... Anyway, the borders did not change officially until 1945. So, the section is legitimate where it is as Soviet partisans operated on Polish territory. It was not until after the war that the areas were ceded by Stalin to himself. Feel free to merge some info from the sections on Baltic States, Ukraine and Belarus to the Polish section though. // Halibu tt 18:39, 1 May 2006 (UTC)
Halibutt, please! I am trying to talk here. If you want to exchange barbs, pls go to Wilno Uprising and/or Volodarka where we seem to not have a common ground. I am always trying my best to be reasonable. I think that either the article needs restructured or your material belongs to other section. I could take time and rewrite it but I am really busy and you know your stuff better anyway. So, why not consider my suggestion to add the material to other sections yourself? Spitting is of no use for the articles. And, BTW, you know that I prefer to talk in the one place. If you transferred the discussion to my talk, fine, let's continue it here. If you prefer not to talk, than don't. But next time, I would prefer to see a response at your talk (see a message on top of my page). This is a non-controvesial request and I don't see what prevents you from doing it.
Anyway, that's secondary. Please give a thought to my suggestions on the partisans article. That fellow's approach leads to the dead-end, as of now. Your edit, OTOH, brings some referenced material. I like information and want it in WIkipedia no matter what you might be thinking. -- Irpen 18:47, 1 May 2006 (UTC)
Thank you for contributing on Alex's talk page. I gather that both you and Alex see Ghirlandajo's actions as rather harmless. It is easy to come to that conclusion if you are not on the receiving end of them. As for Ghirlandajo being a prolific editor making some very useful contributions, that might well be true, but it does not change the fact that his contributions and attitude in articles related in any way to Poland are counterproductive and divisive.
As for Ukrainization, I am afraid that I completely lack the knowledge about the issue to make any useful comments. Balcer 12:10, 6 May 2006 (UTC)
Balcer, see above. -- Irpen 18:38, 8 May 2006 (UTC)
Balcer, I don't know about my opponent, but from my end this has nothing to do with Volodarka. Moreover, following the Volodarka, I still voted support on Halibutt's RfA and spoke highly of him [66] at that time and many times after that which I think is telling. As for the new Halibutt's diatribe above, too bad he doesn't provide diffs as I don't recall ever calling him a troll or a vandal. I do consider some of his edits trollish, and I said so at times, but that's not the same thing as calling someone a troll. The latter is an editor who does nothing but trolling. Halibutt is clearly a great editor, just a short-tempered one and with strong certain views. Just for one example, see the games with the Soviet tankists in Lodz picture or an attempt to use the copyright issues to get an upper hand in a POV dispute. Still times after that we discussed things normally even after Halibutt started to "use popups" to revert me even after I requested clearly not to do it. I would rather not continue this discussion. When (not if) new issues arize, I hope they will be resolved on their own merin. OTOH, if they won't, Balcer, please follow up on both of us and the issues as well. -- Irpen 23:40, 8 May 2006 (UTC)
[67] What do you think? (reply to the e-mail as well); Speaking of which did that Kiev Metro site answer you and can we use their photos? -- Kuban Cossack 20:15, 6 May 2006 (UTC)
Have you seen Kiev Offensive on Main Page? If not, take a look. -- Ghirla -трёп- 07:43, 7 May 2006 (UTC)
I don't appreciate being accused of Copyright Paranoia and of damaging Wikipedia. That usually applies when an old image of unknown provenance with unclear copyright status is listed for deletion. But in this case things are crystal clear. This image comes from a very popular atlas, which I have used frequently myself and which is available in bookstores as we speak. You can buy the newest, unused 2004 edition yourself from amazon.com right away. It would really be great if we could scan all the images from that atlas and put them into Wikipedia under fair use, but that is just not how Wikipedia works. Balcer 18:45, 7 May 2006 (UTC)
Hello
Could you please take a look on the Talk:Georgy Zhukov page and add your two cents to the matter ( Deng 18:56, 9 May 2006 (UTC))
Bolshoi spasibo!!! Eto ya nye ozhidal!-- Smerus 14:13, 10 May 2006 (UTC)
Good work on destubbing this one. + + Lar: t/ c 02:57, 12 May 2006 (UTC)
I presented a list of reasons why the current paragraph on "Poles vandalising Kiev" cannot stand, based on the currently given sources anyway. Please respond to the points I made. I believe they provide good grounds for completely removing that section and the references backing it up.
I also have a general question: what is your opinion on using books published in the 1930s in the Soviet Union as sources, especially when they are books on controversial, politically sensitive topics? I also wonder how you would feel about using sources published in Nazi Germany during the same period. Balcer 20:31, 12 May 2006 (UTC)
Thank you for your welcome, Irpen. I am utterly new at this, so forgive any missteps. Despite our disagreements I value our interaction; it is always pleasant to deal with a well educated person on an interesting topic. Faustian 20:36, 12 May 2006 (UTC)
Thank you for your kind words in the discussion, btw. I 've had a crazy day involving 8+ hours of travel. I'll think about the question of "liberating" Russian cities over the weekend and be back online Sunday night at the latest. Hope all is well. I'll let Grafikm know as well.-- tufkaa 02:54, 13 May 2006 (UTC)
You appear to have recreated this recently-deleted "stub type", with the unenlightening edit summaries of "cat" and "recat". What gives? Alai 07:33, 14 May 2006 (UTC)
I have just re-speedied this stub. The vote for deletion was 6-2 in favour of its deletion. More specifically, several of those votes were "populate or delete" - that is, get the stub up to threshold size (60) before the end of this debate or delete of it. There were far fewer than the required number of articles at the end of the deletion debate, therefore it was deleted as per the comments of those who took part in the debate. Even now, several weeks after its deletion, there are less than half the number of stubs that would be needed for this template to reach threshold. If at some point in the future you believe there are enough stubs for this stub type, feel free to re-propose it at WP:WSS/P. DO NOT simply re-create a template that was deleted by due process, otherwise it may be taken as an act of vandalism. Grutness... wha? 08:14, 15 May 2006 (UTC)
I'd be happy to use this stub and vote 'keep' if I am appraised of any similar vote.-- Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus Talk 01:30, 17 May 2006 (UTC)
... is not to ignore rules for the sake of ignoring rules, or because you happen to dislike the consequence of their application (or the rule in general), but to do so in a manner that's seen to benefit the Encyclopaedia. As there's considerable long-standing consensus at WSS that having many under-sized stub types is counter-productive, and an explicit consensus on deleting this particular type, repeatedly creating it was hardly such an application. Alai 19:28, 14 August 2006 (UTC)
A bunch of Russophobes keeps attacking the article. Please intervene. -- Ghirla -трёп- 14:33, 16 May 2006 (UTC)
Greetings, Please see my comments on the discussiuon section of that stub. As time allows I would like to contribute to that page. As I mentioned, regional differences seems better (it's more than east/west - central Ukraine is as distinct from Galicia and the Donbas). And perhaps writing about how these differences impacted history can be very important. I'm thinking of making a section on the events of 1917-1921. regards Faustian 20:12, 16 May 2006 (UTC)
Irpen, I wouldn't allow him if I were you. Ghirlandajo is a strictly anti-Ukrainian editor. E.g., he advocated Crimea's parting from UA several times. Being civil with him ... OK, but being friendly? And that Soviet цяцька was in fact given to many anti-Ukrainian figures in real life. I think this is not funny, Андрій, this is disgusting and blasphemous. By allowing him you declared yourself not only pro-Russian, but also an anti-Ukrainian editor. Feel free to erase my comment till anybody else notices it (like you always do with the truth). Ukrained 08:31, 22 May 2006 (UTC)
Irpen, you removed a necessary and explained tag from Ukrainische Gruppe Nachtigall, just to have me substituting them with others, slightly different, hours later. This was a technicality which you could do easily. So, you didn't see an evidently bad Ukraine-related page? Or you wanted it to stay such for purpose? You were saying ... I'm as Ukrainian as... what? Ukrained 08:13, 22 May 2006 (UTC)
I will respond to all this when I have time. Let me just say that you are as wrong as you always are assuming bad faith of others. While I am tired of this, I since I know this habbit of yours well by now, I don't care much. Later, -- Irpen 19:33, 22 May 2006 (UTC)
Since you haven't presented any sources that would support the view that Ukrainians were polonophobic I deleted the information. While some of it might be historically correct I don't see any connection to expression of Polonophobia. -- Molobo 23:05, 22 May 2006 (UTC)
I added the context to the statement that the hostility to Poles you refer to were all due to the Soviets The statement is unsourced.I removed it.Since you insist on putting it in, please give source.Otherwise I shall remove it again. I never said Ukrainians were Polonophobic. Then I see no reason for your edits there. -- Molobo 11:12, 23 May 2006 (UTC)
The article is assumed to be ready for mainpage when it passes FA, if one disagrees there is the FARev and FARC processes. If you have any complains about the artcle being NPOV (and remembering it passed FA) may I suggest discussion at talk? I promise a swift reply. Volodarka: as I replied on talk of PSW a minute ago, it is not in index under V/W, where should I look? I'll check the other three in a minute. As for other articles, perhaps this will shed the light on my opposal to your edits: in PSW we should use the same words for P and S (if possible): I can agree that P. occupied some territories but Soviets did the same. In PSC and HoP39-45 the equivalent wording can be applied to S and NG, but this logic certainly is no basis to remove the wording and whitewash Soviet actions of 17th September.-- Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus Talk 03:19, 25 May 2006 (UTC)
When I was a child, I saw a cartoon where two guys were fighting, and a third guy tried to stop them. He said, "Gentlemen, gentlemen, let there be peace." They then proceeded to attack him, instead of fighting each other. I hope that's not what is about to happen to me. Irpen and Piotrus, I value your contributions and imput to Wikipedia. I value your intelligence, and I understand the perspectives from which both of you are coming from. Aftr reading certain spats you've had recently (like in the Polish September Campaign talk pages), I think you both need a small recess or mini vacation from each other. Leave it alone for a while. You'll be glad you did. Dr. Dan 03:38, 25 May 2006 (UTC)
I'd like to congratulate you on your Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth section of the Polonization article. Very well put ! -- Lysy talk 18:18, 30 May 2006 (UTC)
Would you like to co-mentor Deng? - FrancisTyers 12:12, 4 June 2006 (UTC)
You might enjoy this article from Pravda.ru . It made me chuckle, but I honestly don't know what to make out of it. Is this some kind of joke or are they serious about this? Anyway, lately Google News spits out such strange links when searching for Poland, for example. Seems their standards in selecting news items are nil. Balcer 11:03, 6 June 2006 (UTC)
An arbitration request involving you has been filed.-- AndriyK 19:51, 13 June 2006 (UTC)
I am a bit puzzled with your manner to answer the questions of other users.
Even if somebody by mistake asked the same question twice, is it not easier to answer the questions briefly that immediately blame your colleague for trolling?-- Mbuk 21:28, 21 June 2006 (UTC)
I think a potentially very disruptive template is on verge of being kept. If you have time, please take a look at this TfD discussion. [68] Regards. 172 | Talk 21:48, 1 July 2006 (UTC)
I'll respond here, since it is not relevant for Russian architecture any more. After I've included the picture of palace in Warsaw in the article you've accused me of "Polonizing Russian topics just for the sake of it". I feel this is unjust and untrue. Are you aware of my attempts to "Polonize" Russian articles other than adding the obviously missing illustration to Russian Architecture ? -- Lysy talk 16:23, 4 July 2006 (UTC)
You are making a big mistake by allowing yourself to be blindly lead by AndriyK whose remaining tenure at WP will likely be short despite my attempts to turn his efforts into anything creative. You should make your judgements yourself rather than allow others to tell you what to do. The explanation was detailed and elaborate and sufficient to the proponent of the change. Please raise issues at the article talk and on your own behalf. -- Irpen 00:02, 6 July 2006 (UTC)
Did you read the link above. Here is only some quotes from there:
Mbuk, I have a strong feeling that you are not behaving in good faith and are just trying to make a point and waste my time. I hope I am wrong. Your endless questioning for easy to find answers borders trolling if it's not one. I request that you start acting on your own and please start adding content to WP instead wasting other people's and your own time. From now on, I firmly request that you use article's talk to conduct article's related discussion. I will see it there and will respond if I see the response warranted. -- Irpen 06:26, 6 July 2006 (UTC)
I leave it to others to judge who is right here. I fed you too much and have no intention to do it. Your disregard to advise to do any editing except pestering is blatantly obvious. Until you change the habbits, do not expect others to take your entries seriously. -- Irpen 21:37, 6 July 2006 (UTC)
A request for mediation has been filed with the Mediation Committee that lists you as a party. The Mediation Committee requires that all parties listed in a mediation must be notified of the mediation. Please review the request at [[Wikipedia:Requests for mediation/ Battle of the Lower Dnieper/ Lviv]], and indicate whether you agree or refuse to mediate. If you are unfamiliar with mediation, please refer to Wikipedia:Mediation. There are only seven days for everyone to agree, so please check as soon as possible.
My tags were inserted properly. And your POV-pushing and incompetence multiplied by your stubborness and persistence in edit warring, is a real catastrophy for Ukraine-related segment of Wikipedia. --
AndriyK 18:50, 7 July 2006 (UTC)
Please re-read WP:NPA. You seem to be making statements just to provoke people [69].
As general rule, please do not use article talk pages to make comments about users. Use the users' talk pages instead. The article talk page is reserved to discuss the article. Flooding it with unrelated stuff makes it difficult to read and follow the discussion. Thanks.-- Mbuk 08:19, 8 July 2006 (UTC)
Thanks for your help on the Yulia Tymoshenko article! I'm planing a trip to Ukraine, how are you all feeling out there? -- Mariah-Yulia 21:27, 8 July 2006 (UTC)
I think, it would be helpfull if you pay attantion to the following:
and Note: There are certain Wikipedia users who are unpopular, perhaps because of foolish or boorish behavior in the past. Such users may have been subject to disciplinary actions by the Arbitration Committee. It is only human to imagine that such users might be fair game for personal attacks. This notion is misguided; people make mistakes, often learn from them and change their ways. The NPA rule applies to all users irrespective of their past history or how others regard them. (From WP:NPA).-- Mbuk 06:58, 10 July 2006 (UTC)
Has your RFC been closed yet? I've got myself one too now... -- Tēlex 18:32, 11 July 2006 (UTC)
You may want to draw inspiration from mine, launched this morning by Mbuk. It seems that tags are very important to them. -- Tēlex 18:40, 11 July 2006 (UTC)
That User:Mbuk is exhausting. Look at the bottom of Talk:Ukrainization: he has been asked a simple question and he persistently evades answering it. In the meantime, he won't actually edit the article and insists on the tag, and will edit war to maintain it. Are we supposed to guess what he wants or something? He does not say what he wants. It's like someone going into a shop and saying I want you to guess what I want, and I won't leave until you do. -- Tēlex 22:02, 11 July 2006 (UTC)
Irpen, you've asked me to postpone our dispute on Ukrainization article, I agreed and then you've immediately changed the lead to your version. What do you mean ? I hope it was a mistake, as I'm always assuming your good faith. -- Lysy talk 10:30, 14 July 2006 (UTC)
Tyrenius, I don't have a selfless stance on the matter. When I undo someone's work, I only do so when I think the other version needs changed (it can surely happen that I am wrong in the end of the day). I asked Lysy to leave the article in my version assuming that the differences are not so great that would make leaving an article in my version totally unacceptable for him. It was up to him to decide. -- Irpen 01:42, 15 July 2006 (UTC)
Here is the list of edits you ate talking about:
I don't know what you mean by missing. This is the chronological list and it is easy to check. I am surprized by your lack of AGF but fine. You have your suspicions, you bring them up. -- Irpen 19:22, 17 July 2006 (UTC)
I'm always assuming your good faith at first, as I mentioned above, bit now I'm starting to wonder what game are you playing with me. Did you revert the article to your version before or after I agreed for a break ? -- Lysy talk 19:56, 17 July 2006 (UTC)
I am going to develop the article further as soon as I can get to it. I explicitly wrote in my message to you that I hope you agree that the article is not so bad anyway to leave it as it was. I also explained at talk what was wrong with the previous version before chamging it. Per lack of action from you for more than a day, I thought you agree either with my explanation or that the difference between my version and what you see it should be is not so huge to leave as is for a while. I really don't see what you are leading this to. If you want to accuse me of anything, just say so directly and at public pages. Your fuzzy (I always assumed good faith from you but...) lacks clearity on what you are trying to say. -- Irpen 20:38, 17 July 2006 (UTC)
Thanks Grafikm, I really don't understand what's Lysy's fussing about. I did not need to ask him of anything if I found his version agreeable. I could just leave it at that. My request at his talk asking him to interrupt the edit dispute could not have meant that it was at his version, otherwise it would have been a tautology. After I elaborately explained the problems at talk, changed the article accordingly and so no reaction for a while, I thought the article could have just stay as it was until the trolling of AndriyK and Mbuk is settled separately. Now, after several days passed Lysy starts to accuse me in things and I really don't see where this is coming from or where it is leading to. Sigh. -- Irpen 21:38, 17 July 2006 (UTC)
Lysy, after your accusing me over nothing that I did wrong, dragged this discussion over nothing for that long and made it even an attack on my integrity, I am really not looking forward towards discussion anything with you at all. But if you force me to by making controverisal edits and persisting with them, I will have to respond. You can call it "discuss the article" if you want. -- Irpen 06:12, 18 July 2006 (UTC)
Right, and exactly this surprized me in Lysy's accusations. Whatever... -- Irpen 06:37, 18 July 2006 (UTC)
To me situation became simple as well, although I did not expect that kind of situation from you. I should not have spent time responding to your assumptions of bad-faith and baseless accusations and should have followed instead the "Dealing with pestering and misplaced criticism" instructions. -- Irpen 17:44, 18 July 2006 (UTC)
I am not trying to offend you. I am explaining how it feels to be accused in something one hasn't done by a person from who one did not expect a baselessly attacked when nothing wrong was done.
I can tell you though, that any given Wikipedian can only insult me a one single time. From that moment on I stop caring about what that person is saying to me or about me. You grossly violated the AGF guideline and then unleashed a baseless attack while anyone can see that you are either making it up or refuse to see what's plain obvious.
So, your talking about being "disgusted" here seems to me a disgusting hypocricy and I have no intention to spend any more time to convince you there was no foul play, especially when this is so plain obvious and especially after I spent so much time on writing to explain this to you. You are free to say whatever you want and I would be happy if you raise your accusations in a more public place to request other people's opinion, be it RfC, arbitration or whatever. Now, if you want to continue this, please do so at the public pages rather than at my talk so that you will get more feedback. -- Irpen 23:38, 18 July 2006 (UTC)
Hi, Irpen! I don't know if you are still following this discussion; I am posting this just in case you aren't. I requested your opinion in my today's post. Nothing urgent, though. And hey, congrats with your cool new awards above! Perhaps I should get you a jewelry box soon to keep them all there :)) Cheers!— Ëzhiki (Igels Hérissonovich Ïzhakoff-Amursky) • ( yo?); 16:14, 17 July 2006 (UTC)
I'm deleting your recent comment on Talk:Mikhail Leontyev [70] as it provided zero information on the subject. Please avoid such comments as "unleashing this incivil trollish diatribe", and don't escalate conflicts. KPbIC 01:31, 19 July 2006 (UTC)
Please help NPOV the article as per your suggestions, I am afraid I lack the needed sources.-- Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus talk 04:55, 23 July 2006 (UTC)
Hello, why don't you draft an arbitration case against the new AndriyK? His ban is long overdue, Ghirla -трёп- 10:13, 25 July 2006 (UTC)
Forgive me! I was just trying to standardize the article names. Thanks for the explanation. — A.S. Damick talk contribs 12:04, 25 July 2006 (UTC)
Hi there! I've noticed that you've edited articles pertaining to the Eastern Orthodox Church. I wanted to extend an invitation to you to join the WikiProject dedicated to organizing and improving articles on the subject, which can be found at: WikiProject Eastern Orthodoxy. This WikiProject was begun because a need was perceived to raise the level of quality of articles on Wikipedia which deal with the Eastern Orthodox Church.
You can find information on the project page about the WikiProject, as well as how to join and how to indicate that you are a member of the project. Additionally, you may be interested in helping out with our collaboration of the month. I hope you'll consider joining and thank you for your contributions thus far! — A.S. Damick talk contribs 12:04, 25 July 2006 (UTC)
Hi. User:Mack2 keeps listing the National Institute for Strategic Studies (NISS) among other bodies of government of Ukraine. NISS is a think tank with only an advisory status, and it is not a proper body of government per se. There's no law of Ukraine (or even a proposed law) defining NISS's scope of authority as it must be the case for any body of government. From his comments it is clear he is somehow affiliated with that institution.
Also, he has deleted NBU from the list and denies that. I don't know why since it's so easy to check the article history. Sashazlv 23:46, 25 July 2006 (UTC)
I need your help there. And archive at least 2/3 of this page. --19:18, 26 July 2006 (UTC)
My sock stalker has returned -- Ghirla -трёп- 15:06, 3 August 2006 (UTC)
Irpen, thanks for dropping by and writing a note. Will see you in the editing "field."-- Riurik 15:58, 3 August 2006 (UTC)
Hi Irpen,
Could you please help me out with Bonaparte? He's trolling agian. Thanks. — Khoikhoi 18:09, 4 August 2006 (UTC)
I restored the talk page that I deleted, as you requested, and I also removed the speedy deletion tag so that does not happen again. I'm not sure why someone wanted it deleted an an attack page. Academic Challenger 07:25, 8 August 2006 (UTC)
Thank you so much for the award *blush* the ukrainian communittee on wikipedia have been really incredible. Thanks you again. Odessaukrain 23:03, 10 August 2006 (UTC)
Hehehe, I knew right from the start but only decided to report him when he started to piss me off. Next time I'll be less tolerant. ;) Пока. — Khoikhoi 01:12, 16 August 2006 (UTC)
I've read all the relevant talk pages before I posted my comments, I wonder what made you think that I didn't. Perhaps I haven't noticed some of the arguments and repeated them, but it was certainly not done in bad faith. Also note that I'm not reverting some of your controversial edits and instead I'm using the talk page. I appreciate your will of discussion and I hope to hear some arguments or a list of things that are actually disputed. Halibu tt 00:35, August 30, 2005 (UTC)
Anyway, I prefer to respond on people's talk pages as it is easier for them to notice that there is some discussion going on. Otherwise, I'd have to open about 1000 User talk pages every time someone posts a comment there... Halibu tt 01:37, August 30, 2005 (UTC)
I understand your frustration. Anyway, maybe a short break and returning to the articles afresh in a couple of days is a good idea. In the meantime, what do you think of my suggestion of writing more articles about the battles/events of the 1920 campaign that would add more balanced view ? As I tried to explain, the articles written by Polish editors are based mostly on Polish historiography, therefore their selection may be intrinsically biased. -- Lysy ( talk) 20:04, 31 August 2005 (UTC)
No, no! I did loose my temper and therefore withdrew. As for your specific example, I view it like this. If one is trying to attack, fails and the seige fails because of that (besieging army withdraws), this is the victory of a defender ( Battle of Moscow). If the attack did not suceed and things return to where they were, this is inconclusive. Another attack at a later time may or may not be a victory. -- Irpen 21:48, August 31, 2005 (UTC)
I will respond to your comments at article's talk. I really had no time today for much. I will get to this on the weekend. If/When you feel I am not responding within a reasonable time, you may remove the mention of the dispute of course. I may resurrect it when I respond but I think a couple of days isn't too much to ask. Also, I owe you responses in different discusions which I also plan to get to soon. Regards, -- Irpen 07:42, September 2, 2005 (UTC)
I have edited the article a bit further and then removed the POV tag. Let me know if there are any specific issues that you still consider POV and that remained in the article. -- Lysy ( talk) 14:19, 4 September 2005 (UTC)
Yes, I will respond at article's talk. -- Irpen 14:03, September 8, 2005 (UTC)
Point me to page moves that need to be listed at WP:RM. — Michael Z. 2005-10-27 19:47 Z
I'd be interested to discuss your view of Piłsudski as being nationalistic. I think the perception in Poland is quite the contrary, he was the main opponent of nationalism. I'm curious what made you think he was a nationalist ? Maybe it was the Soviet propaganda, that attempted to picture him as a facist ? -- Lysy ( talk) 08:58, 3 November 2005 (UTC)
Lysy, FYI, the Soviet propaganda preferred not to cover Pilsudski at all because he was associated with not so successful military campaign of the Soviet Russia. If you are interested in modern view of mainstream historiography in Ukraine, you may read the following article in Ukrainian or in Russian (whichever you can read more easily).
I did not expect at all that the statement that he was a nationalist would startle Poles. OTOH, I beleive, that my statement to the contrary was equally unexpected for you to see. That's the consequence of systemic biases we may have been exposed too. That's the good thing about international projects, such as WP, that it brings people with such different views together. -- Irpen 22:42, 3 November 2005 (UTC)
The question is would there ever be such a multinational state even if Pilsudski would have gotten it his way and managed to be its leader. I don't know how genuine his words were but even if believing that he was sincere saying that, I doubt his policies would follow up. His army's behaviour in Galicia and Volhynia after the suppression of WUR leave me in doubt about him being able to accept equality of Ukraine and Poland and, perhaps, others in the Polish-centered mega-state. His army's mauradeering in the central Ukraine during the PSW may not prove much, because it may have been common at the time, but he could have taken measures here too. The most important thing, though, is that unlike some Polish people I've seen believe, the equality of nobility and religions in PLC is a myth or at least it is a myth from what I read. It may be unprecedentedly "equal" compared to other multiethnic states, but other states never claimed to be "federations", or "Democracies of nobles". Other states never proclaimed religious freedom too and Warsaw compact was unprecedented. The truth perhaps is that the proponents of such federations throughout history always assumed a Polish domination there, even if subconsciously. I see no reason that Pilsudski was any different in this respect. -- Irpen 01:52, 4 November 2005 (UTC)
I understand that the stated form of the state was a federation but I am sure that what was had in mind was a Polish dominated federation as I explained above. As for Ukrainian events, I am talking not about joint operation with Petliura's which I find strange to call "allies" but so be it if this is used in Polish books (collaborators seem more exact to me). What I meant, are events that happened before Petliura was subdued and had to sell out the the aspirations of Ukrainians in what is now Western Ukraine for Pilsudski's help in installing himself in Kiev. From the article linked above (sorry for the Russian):
P.S. I have no objection to moving the discussion to Pilsudski's talk. -- Irpen 04:58, 4 November 2005 (UTC)
Irpen you should get another Bohdan order for helping new users like myself. Thank you for your comment and look forward to working on these projects-- Riurik 23:17, 27 December 2005 (UTC)
I've not forgotten to look for the brutality of Polish against Ukrainians in 1918. I've looked up several potential sources, but so far found nothing notable. It may be because all these sources were of Polish origin. One of them menioned that the early fights were desperate and resulted in later hatred. However I was not able to find anything more specific, particularly anything that would imply that Poles were more brutal than Ukrainians. Have you had any success on this in the meantime ? -- Lysy ( talk) 22:44, 29 December 2005 (UTC)
Thanks for the link to the Himka article! The link is especially helpful following the constructive suggestion by Dietwald on Talk:Holodomor: "What SHOULD be done is to expand the discussion on politization. The issue is unduly politicised, which in itself deserver a considerable discussion." [71] I'm also expecting to gather support for writing a much-needed entry on the Soviet famine of 1932-1934. Perhaps such an entry would be a strong candidate for Wikipedia:Collaboration of the week?
You're right about Andrew Alexander. I'm not too optimistic about the Holodomor since he is somewhat on the territorial side. Still, he has demonstrated an interest in adding well-sourced factual content and is relatively civil. We'll see how the discussion goes on the talk page. If it goes well enough, hopefully you will feel inclined to return to the article. Thanks again for the help! 172 20:06, 11 January 2006 (UTC)
Hi. If you get the chance, will you be able to restore the NPOV version of the Holodomor intro? Ultramarine kept on restoring the Andrew Alexander version until I'd used up my three reverts. Interestingly, he does indeed seem to be stalking me. Cold War, for example, was an article that wasn't on his watchlist until yesterday, when he probably found out that the article had been in my recent user contributions history. 172 20:50, 21 January 2006 (UTC)
Thanks for the reply. Also, thanks for the thought-provoking comments on nationalism and education in Ukraine. I'm about to leave my computer so my reply has to be too brief. I'll continue to try to do my best on the Holodomor article. In the meantime, I suppose we'll have to put up with more grandstanding from the usual quarters before much progress can be made. I'll be able to put up with them for at least another week, given that the famine is now such an important topic. Thanks again! 172 21:24, 21 January 2006 (UTC)
I don't mind anons editing. I object to using anonymous accounts for edit warring, that's all. Please . This wasn't an edit at all. -- Irpen 20:46, 15 March 2006 (UTC)
The problem with the conflict between AndriyK's version and the one which was there for months (admitedly written by myself) is that the advantage of the latter is explained in detail at the article's talk. Compromising is good but not for the sake of the compromise itself. Otherwise, we would have to "compromise" Ukrainian articles with the views that, say, the Ukrainian language is the dialect of the Russian or that UPA was a Nazi organization or that Holodomor was caused by bad weather. If someone just makes a random statement at talk, it does not mean that we have to compromise with it. Check recent edits by anon at Orange Revolution. I reverted him without even discussing them. In Khreschatyk the current version is explained and AndriyK failed to provide any explanation to the opposite. His reason is that he doesn't like it. Sorry, that's not good enough to force a compromise. Kuban kazak, doesn't like "I" in Kharkiv. I simply explained to him what's wrong with "O" in modern usage and he withdrew rather than insisting that we look for a compromise with "E". AndriyK just reverts such edits are not worthy of discussion in order to restore to the stable version. He does the same at Russian architecture and a whole bunch of other articles. In fact, for now, that's all he does. I am willing to put aside any issues I have with this editor and discuss things with him based on the merit of his points. He isn't making any points. Just attacks things that he happens to "not like". What should I discuss and compromise then?
Finally, that you edit the articles with ongoing conflicts anonymously is discourteous and unfair. It takes 1 minute to register a throwaway account but that would allow others to talk to you in case of disagreement. It would be best if you put yourself on the equal footing with others and reregister a stable account so that the dialog is possible and you can't pretend to not see what's being said to you. I am talking fairness to others only. But this is only as far as conflicting articles are concerned. Anonymous small corrections are totally all right. But please consider what I've said since you are obviously interested and able to contribute more than that and I know you will. Besides you know that you will. The only reason people actually leave WP is the edit conflicts or sudden sudden changes in life, not the "lack of time". It is too addictive. -- Irpen 21:58, 15 March 2006 (UTC)
Yes you are right and check how much time people spent on the issue in response to his tag, checking the academic sources. BTW, tagging was the second thing he did. The first one was moving it to another title Architecture of Rus, that is despite it goes into the Socialist realism times, and we his trademark dirty trick with artificial history to make sure his point is forced upon others. Then he pasted the whole chapter to Architecture of Kievan Rus without any acknowledgement of the authorship, making an impression that he wrote such a superior article. Only after that he placed a tag and it was given a fare amount of thought by the community.
Michael even took an effort to go to the city library and saw that in academia the approach is similar to the one taken in the article. What more you could ask for from the editors who listened to his objections and gave the matter such a thorough study? Third parties mostly agreed as well. If there is a bias all over the world due to a historic influence of the Russian scholarship in the historiography, the way to address it is in the new scholarly works, not in encyclopedia whose aim is to summarize the matter based on the existing knowledge, rather than to "correct" it. This is very similar to Kiev/Kyiv issue. Both are correct, Kiev is primarily used, hence we use Kiev. We mast defer to the mainstream view and mention the minority view, if they are substantial but clearly as minority view, like Holocaust denial in the Holocaust article, or the whether theory in Holodomor or that Russia is not a descendant of Kievan Rus' but of Finno-Ugric tribes in the North, like some fierce Ukrainian nationalists are trying to portray it. -- Irpen 02:19, 16 March 2006 (UTC)
Yes, my point is that he is acting in bad faith here as he has shown in the past he is able to, like frivolous moves of the articles and falsified voting to prevent moving them back. If someone throws a tag, we must study his objections first and address them the best we can. Nothing can prevent a bad-faith user from persisting by just saying "I don't agree". He cannot be allowed to screw the articles just because his views differ from the reality. One thing is ignoring someone's objection. Another thing is to persist with objections that were addressed just to stubbornly make a point. -- Irpen 03:34, 16 March 2006 (UTC)
Irpen's actions:
Saint's actions:
—Preceding unsigned comment added by 134.84.5.19 ( talk • contribs)
Well, not quite like this. That is I am not a saint for sure, but this is not how it was. I don't even remember whether he was blocked when I removed the tag because this was not a thing I was keeping in mind. There was a considerable amount of time (perhaps even a month) when there were enough ArbCom votes to see that he was going to be blocked and the date when the case was closed and the block applied. During that month he was almost inactive, except trolling at Alex's first RfA. If you reread the ArbCom, I did not call for blocking him. I wanted him banned from moving articles (which was done), from substituting the terminology by revert warring rather than proposing and discussing (which was also done) and to restrict his right to revert war (that is, say, 2RR per day rather than 4) which was not done. Stripped of his trolling tools, he might have started to contribute. I removed the tag because I saw the objections answered, no new objections were raised and the tag was there long enough. Besides, his faithful revert war proxy user:Andrew Alexander was around anyway.
I thought of welcoming him because I actually wanted to do it. The reason I didn't was that I thought that it would have just annoyed him. He sees me as a true evil, worse than Ghirla. The latter is just a Russian, it is normal for Russians to be bad in the eyes of a Russophobe. Myself being a Ukrainian and seeing the Ukrainian nationalism as repugnant at the same time, amounts in the eyes of some as a treason (I see any other nationalism repugnant as well). It's like Vlasovets versus a German, who was more hated at the time of the war? You can see even from talk:Khreschatyk, that I offered him to work things out and this was one of the countless times. He chose to bite a hand I stretched to him every time. I am not an ill-tempered person and I hold no grudge for his badmouthing me at en- and ua-wikis as well as at the outside forums and his emails to others. But if he sees me as such and I "welcome him back", he would just get mad because he won't beleive in my sincerety.
Anyway, if he starts writing articles, and I see how I can help, I will be around. If he just goes around spitting, reverting and deleting, I can't do much about that, can I? Besides, I had enough of his attitude and I have no intention to talk to him, unless absolutely necessary because every time it provokes another set of outbursts. -- Irpen 09:01, 16 March 2006 (UTC)
BTW have you seen this? -- Latinus 19:29, 16 March 2006 (UTC)
What amuses you?-- AndriyK 19:52, 16 March 2006 (UTC)
Anonymous, you don't need to tell me how to be nice. Modesty aside, most people don't consider me ill-tempered, either in life or at Wikipedia. I will deal with AndriyK's edits based on their merit, not on what I think about him. So far, there were no edits. Just reverts and I explained what was wrong with the versions he was reverting to and he gave no answer. Once he makes a first new edit, I will deal with it totally based on that edit's own merit. -- Irpen 21:27, 16 March 2006 (UTC)
I am sure I can find specific edits of yours but your crusade by itself, pretty much outlined at your arbitration, speaks much already. I never made a single Ukrainophobic edit. Moreover, the curious and impossible combination of accusations I've heard towards myself (like Ukrainian nationalism, Ukrainophobia, Russian nationalism, Russophobia, etc.) just convince me that I am doing the right thing. That my view that Ukrainian nationalism is repugnant (like any other BTW) annoys Ukrainian nationalists is not surprising. You've been told by several compatriots of ours (including the anonymous editor here) that you are mistaken in calling me all those names. That you, nevertheless, remain unconvinced is telling.
I suggest you go to Talk:Russian architecture and outline your specific objections to justify your tag and not in a general rant-like form, but with a specific point by point list. Otherwise, please don't complain if it is removed as unexplained.
You were extremely rude in the past and such things, you know, stick to memory. In any case, as I wrote earlier, when I deal with any specific article disagreements with you I am putting this all aside. Please start writing. It's about time. -- Irpen 08:56, 17 March 2006 (UTC)
I can't prove anything to you regarding the real life. All I am saying is that's how that is. I have no revengeful passions against you whatever you think. If you can't take my word for it, I can't do much about it, can I. Now, please edit Wikipedia. -- Irpen 09:01, 17 March 2006 (UTC)
AndriyK, you just try to offend me in the worst possible way. It won't work. It worked in the beginning, but I developed the immunity to your offensive language. Don't waste your time making a fool of yourself again. Besides, it may get you in trouble some day. Your last arbitration was not prompted by your rudeness but by gross disruption of Wikipedia through the move fraud, followed by vote fraud and combined by relentless edit warring over anachronistic terminology substitution caused by your Russophobic desire to purge any Russian names from Ukraine related article even at cost of introducing anachronisms. However, while we were at it, the evidence of your rudeness only made the case convincing in the eyes of the arbitrators that, at Wikipedia, you are nothing but a troll with an agenda. Since your return, you resumed exactly what you were doing. I suggest you reconsider this.
Start writing articles and we will discuss them if I disagree with something in them. Bring up your objections civilly if you disagree with what I write in articles. Do not troll the talk pages with new outbursts. Finish writing about Vasyl Stus. Finish Polkovnyk. Write Povazhny kozak or write whatever you want. Put your agenda, whatever it is, aside and you will find a totally different attitude from everyone. That said, I will not be responding to any more of your offenses. Have a nice weekend. -- Irpen 18:22, 17 March 2006 (UTC)
Kuban kazak, this discussion is pointless. Let's put a line here. -- Irpen 18:22, 17 March 2006 (UTC)
Hi Irpen, I'm surprised that you reverted my move. You participated in the discussion on the board, and you didn't voice any objections to the name I proposed. What don't you like about the title? Appleseed ( Talk) 00:48, 17 March 2006 (UTC)
Please let me know which articles (and preferably which edits) do you want me to look over, and if the stuff was pasted, where from. I don't have time to stalk Molobo and check on his every edit. As for that pic, I know you had good intentions and in that particular case others overreacted way to strongly - and when Ghirla joined the outcome was a mess. Happens - and I think we have it fixed somewhat (although the photo issue will not be resolved until we have an article about London victory parade and why Polish forces in the West could not take part in it). As for tags, in that particular case I think 1 of them was not needed, but there were six facts that I really wanted to see referenced. Yes, tagging creates more work - but useful work. In other news, I can check the English spellings in Davies WERS book you requested, but plese let me know exactly what names (index? page nr?) you want me to look at, so when I go to the library I can do it as quickly as possible.-- Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus Talk 05:51, 1 April 2006 (UTC)
Irpen, may I ask why you insist on your version of the article? I know, you started the article, and it was DYK, but the particular paragraph in question doesn't look like been initially written neutrally. Previously, there was an edit war about the paragraph; as a result a quite reasonable version by Michael gained support, the version written better than yours. Now, after a month since the conflict, you are bringing the issue again, providing not a single additional argument, nothing at the talk page, and yet insisting on your version of the paragraph. You don't like a shorter version of tne paragraph, you don't like a longer version of the paragraph (listing all the forces), it seems like you only want to see your version of the paragraph. Or, am I missing something? --Anonymous, 19:33, 21 April 2006 (UTC)
Irpen's version has minor problems like typos and duplicate links to the same page (Kiev offense), and one significant proplem as it's biased in describing differently Ukrainian forces vs. other forces. Michael's version, and the version with listing all forces are both describing all forces in pair. This is what makes these versions superior compare to Irpen's version.--Anonymous 20:39, 21 April 2006 (UTC)
134, compromise is a good thing but there must be some reason under each of the opposing version between which we seek a compromise. My version is explained at article's talk. AndriyK's version is not explained at talk despite my persistent calls to him. A while ago he said that "short-lived is scornful". To this I responded and others agreed that this is just BS. It's purely factual and not scornful. He came up with no other reasons. Michael, being a nice guy, offered a compromise just for the sake of accomodating AndriyK. I disagree with such motivation. Compromise should be made for accomodating between two reasonable versions, not two or more people. We've got no explanation whatsoverer from AndriyK on his persistence (exact same situation in Russian architecture). As such, there is nothing to compromise with so far.
Typos? Correct them by all means. Twice connected to Kiev Offensive? Because we are talking about two parts of it: victorious Polish part with the parade (linked to the K. O. section about Polish victories) and Poles defeated part (linked to another section). -- Irpen 22:43, 21 April 2006 (UTC)
It seems that in the discussion you are using as an argument the fact that AndriyK has contributed less to the articles in comparison to your contributions. While it's correct, hope you would agree that switching from a subject to personalities is not so civil. KPbIC 04:43, 2 May 2006 (UTC)
Yes, you misinterpreted which is easy if you take to phrases out of context of an entire discussion. -- Irpen 01:19, 4 May 2006 (UTC)
I have restored the article History of Russo-Turkish wars. If you do not like the content, please go through the AfD process. -- Petri Krohn 10:34, 6 May 2006 (UTC)
I have removed the article from our attention list, as there have been almost no edits or discussions there for the past few weeks. I am not much familiar with the article or the sources, but as you seem to be unhappy about it, may I suggest that yous start by writing a review of the article on the talk page (if you don't want to edit it). I'd like for the attention tab at WP:PWNB to contain only articles which are in current revert wars and other grave problems.-- Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus Talk 22:35, 30 May 2006 (UTC)
Piotrus, I sincerely doubt that anything is perfect when it comes to NPOV. NPOV in WP is the product of the cooperative work of the reasonable editors with elimination of the input of the trollish ones. NPOV in EB (and any respected scholarly work) is the product of high reputation and topical grasp by the world's top scholars who are aware of the state of the art in the field and are required to write reflecting this state of the art, rather their own views. I bet if Davies was writing an PL article for EB it would be much less polonophile than his "God's Playground". Additionally, EB's articles get peer-reviewed and they sure get some feedback after the publication to take into account in the next update. Doesn't make it perfect but EB's usage is important since it surely reflects the widely accepted usage.
Speaking again of the attitude words, they are usable in Wikipedia when something's fitting towards the general definition is generally accepted, such as that the " Holocaust was a Genocide", " creationism is unscientific" (doesn't make it wrong), "'39 and '41 were occupations" and "44 was liberation", etc. If some fringe nationalist, be it Polish, Russian or Ukrainian, purges the liberation from the battle of Dnieper (or purges the occupation from the PSC, replacing it with liberation) it's no different then calling some event with the same word just for the POV reason. [78] NPOV isn't the same as a ban to use any word that implies any attitude at all (occupation, liberation, genocide, mass murder, salvation, etc). Otherwise, many articles would be gone.
As for your "goodwill gesture", everyone does those things. Besides I've always considered you (and some others, I hope Sylwia will be back as well) as moderate editors rather than some other others. Regards, -- Irpen 03:29, 2 June 2006 (UTC) If some fringe nationalist, be it Polish(...) purges the liberation You believe this is a fringe nationalist opinion in Poland? :) -- Molobo 16:27, 2 June 2006 (UTC)
Nothing is perfect. EB may err too. But much less likely than many other places. -- Irpen 05:39, 5 June 2006 (UTC)
I'm afraid our mutual friend has a sockpuppet. Could you investigate this curious affair? Thanks, Ghirla -трёп- 17:42, 27 June 2006 (UTC)
Please note that you are not permitted to edit comments of the users who criticize you at your RfC page. Your recent edit [80] is illegal.-- AndriyK 09:26, 3 July 2006 (UTC)
I'd appreciate your help with NPOVing this and possibly formulating an NPOVed DYK hook.-- Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus | talk 17:34, 13 August 2006 (UTC)
Irpen, could you please explain what a "conditional vote" is exactly? Even more important, could you point to some Wikipedia policy that even mentions such votes, especially in connection with RM surveys? To be even more specific, why not simply vote "oppose" if you are against some move, period.
"Conditional support" might be a valid vote choice when voting for an FA article, when one demands some changes before the article is acceptable. But in an RM case there are only two possible, clear outcomes. There is no need to make things more complicated.
Anyway, your attempt to try to link various issues muddies the waters, and introduces unnecessary controversy. If you really think that there is a global problem with naming articles related to Polish history, consider making some general proposal somewhere on how things should be corrected. Balcer 17:22, 21 August 2006 (UTC)
::August 24th, 2006
Happy Independence Day - Ukraine! З Днем Незалежності України! |
-- Riurik 04:16, 23 August 2006 (UTC)
I merged List of Polish Martyrdom sites to World War II atrocities in Poland. Also, just out of curiosity, why do you think that Massacre of Lwów professors is an inappropriate title? What would you suggest instead? Balcer 18:56, 23 August 2006 (UTC) "Killing of Lwow professors" is the first name that comes to mind. And all those other massacres titles can be demassacred without a slightest loss of clarity. Examples of names that could be used are:
This will not preclude the referenced usage of the terms like "massacre" and even "genocide" inside the article but titles would be more appropriate. -- Irpen 19:02, 23 August 2006 (UTC)
No, it's POV because it prejudges that this particular event was a massacre. Not every death is a murder, not every murder of several people is a massacre or a mass murder and not every mass murder is a Genocide. Whether the event qualifies is best resolved by the sources cited in the articles anot not by the editor who takes it upon himself to decide on his own via creating an article under a specific name (or a page move). -- Irpen 19:16, 23 August 2006 (UTC)
First, it was not just a Nazi crime. A Ukrainian Nachtigall took part in it. Second, it does not matter whose crime it was. If we manage to make a change in EE and demonstrate that it is working, we would be able to make a case wikiwide. -- Irpen 19:42, 23 August 2006 (UTC)
I'm really not trying to be contentious with this article. The simple fact is that, as it is now, it contains one citation (which I put there), and WP:CITE states that citations should be used "to ensure that the content of articles is credible and can be checked by any user" and further, that "[i]f you add any information to an article, particularly if it's contentious or likely to be challenged, you should supply a source. If you don't know how to format the citation, others will fix it for you. Simply provide any information you can." Finally, WP:V states that "[t]he burden of evidence lies with the editors who have made an edit or wish an edit to remain. Editors should therefore provide references. If an article topic has no reputable, reliable, third-party sources, Wikipedia should not have an article on that topic." I don't think its out of line to apply that standard to the current content of articles in addition to new content, nor do I think that pointing out the obvious (that the article lacks citations) using a template is particularly objectionable, especially when it may attract the attention of editors who have citations handy. If it will make you happier, I can go through and add {{citation needed}} tags to every claim that needs a citation, but that's going to be a lot messier. - Smahoney 22:28, 23 August 2006 (UTC)
Smahoney, I am well aware of all or most WP policies. At the same time, whatever position on common knowledge you have, there is such a thing like common sense too. Any number of "citation needed" templates may be added to any article, no matter how well referenced, at any time and by appealing to common sense I mean that whoever contends anything has to be reasonable at the same time. I am not opposed to citing sources and, as you may check, I add plenty of them to things I write. At the same time, I oppose going overboard on anything, including this issue.
By your accusing me in being at Wikipedia for the sake of being contentious you added a completely unsubstantiated and unprovoked insult to an injury I am not going to even discuss this ridiculous accusation. As for your giving me a set of choices between this or that, I am not here to tell you what to do. The tl:unreferenced gives you one hint: "There is currently no consensus about where to place this template; most suggest either the bottom of the article page (in an empty 'References' section), or on the article's talk page." If you choose "throughout the article" solution, again, I am not here to tell you how many tags are reasonable and how many aren't. A committed tagger can easily insert 20 "citation needed" to any paragraph. Do as you please.
As a suggestion, you may consider referencing by yourself some of the statements seem to you as needed a ref, at least those that would take no more than 5 minutes of googling around. You may want to check this thread for a related discussion. -- Irpen 04:32, 24 August 2006 (UTC)
Hi. I didn't quite get why the comment on (dual) citizenship was important. It looked a bit out of place in the discussion of voting rights. Sashazlv 03:59, 28 August 2006 (UTC)
I just noticed that this admin has deleted some important stuff from at least one article I wrote, namely Vadym Hetman. And it seems (s)he was ready to do the same in Pavlo Lazarenko. The alleged reason is that (s)he thinks the stuff isn't properly cited.
I don't understand this strategy. Someone with apparently little knowledge of Ukrainian politics - but with admin powers - runs across an article (which was so hard to write from scratch) and deletes the stuff (s)he doesn't like. Why wasn't factual accuracy disputed first? Sashazlv 04:28, 28 August 2006 (UTC)
Зачем Вы маркируете голоса "против" на белорусском голосовании. У Вас есть конкретный план насчёт "флешмоберов"? Будут ли такие голоса в будущем при подсчёте голосов? Спасибо за внимание. -- 82.209.208.69 19:47, 28 August 2006 (UTC)
Thanks!! You showed up just in time. — Alex ( T| C| E) 03:19, 2 September 2006 (UTC)
Incidentally, Zscout has deleted the photo of Yushchenko and Hetman's widow. I don't know the reason. Sashazlv 16:37, 2 September 2006 (UTC)
Genocides in history the Soviet Union section has been rewritten by another user. I thought it was creating a fork as it argues the definition of genocide right there and not in the main article, so I reverted to the previous version, however this user disagrees. Take a look as my take on this may be incorrect.-- Riurik (discuss) 19:07, 4 September 2006 (UTC)
Hi there, I just wanted to explain my point why I did remove (Gedimin) in Battle on the Irpen' River article. In my opinion Gedimin is quite nice recognizable in Gedimin-as, and another adition of the same name in shorter form is a bit clutersome. But it it's just my opinion, if you think it is not, you may put it back to the article. And I just wanted to assure you, that i do not have wish to completely Lithuanise Gediminas by removing other language forms from it's main article. Sorry, if this edit seemed too abrupt for you, jus I'm just tired of this ongoing Polish-Lithuanian "discussion", so looks like I began loosing temper sometimes. This wont happen again.-- Lokyz 13:05, 8 September 2006 (UTC)
I hope youll cease calling me a stalker. I have no bad intentions against Ghirla and hold him in high esteem for his Russia-related artciels. Yet where spheres of influence clash, I usually have to restore a delicate NPOV, and am happy with the compromise reached on the Muscovite Russia naming issue, though technically All-Russia was formed in the 17th century (at Poland's expense). Hope you understand and take this issue to heart. Regards, Truthseeker 85.5 21:13, 9 September 2006 (UTC)
PS Please join the discussion at Baranovichi (sic). Proof the above holds.
Thanks for your improvement there. Are you going to write something yourself, or are you going to emulate De Gaulle (called the "Sphynx" between 1946 and 1958, just check with grafik if you do not understand the comparison) and stay out of this fight and just leave people quoting you. Until, like the Sphynx, you have become indispensable at ArbCom?
It is not a joke, actually - my suggesting you to stay away there. I think that under the present conditions, we are fighting against windmills, because some people are hellbent on having Ghirla banned just long enough (and not one hour more) so as to get him to leave the project altogether. Have a look at this one.-- Pan Gerwazy 07:37, 10 September 2006 (UTC)
Hello - I'm sure you'll agree, on consideration, that your lengthy comment on RFA talk, which amounts to a list of complaints about Tony's behavior, has nothing to do with RFA. Please work it out on his user talk page or move it to dispute resolution; do not force it on unrelated community pages. — Dan | talk 07:58, 10 September 2006 (UTC)
"Removing a main source of disruption" cannot be accomplished by discussing it further at RFA talk. It can be accomplished with an Arbcom case. Don't replace your screed at RFA talk; its sole relevance to RFA lies in the fact that the actions of Tony's with which you take issue occurred there. This belongs at dispute resolution; you're free to continue avoiding that, so long as your dispute does not spread further into public venues of discussion. — Dan | talk 08:30, 10 September 2006 (UTC)
You cannot name people who have opinions different from yours as radicals, simple because their opinions are different. Nobody nominated you to be in the middle. Please, don't move the discussion from the subject to personalities. -- KPbIC 00:34, 12 September 2006 (UTC)
And this is funny part "I resolved hundreds of articles with good-faith opponents". So, if you resolved something, your opponent was good-faith opponent, and if you failed to resolve then... let me guess... your opponent was bad-faith opponent, wasn't he? My point is: "Don't mix your POV and NPOV". You are a good editor overall, but there are small specific problems. Actually, I was one of endorsers of the summary of Wikipedia:Requests for comment/Irpen. Any luck to see your response to that? -- KPbIC 00:53, 12 September 2006 (UTC)
It would be nice if you could save yours and my time, and avoid any personal attacks in the first place. This is what is putting both of us into the circles over the past. State your arguments on a subject, not on personalities. As simple as that. Here are the things to avoid:
And if you want to keep your ethics up to high standards, then it would be nice to stop bothering editors with requests to "re-evaluate" their votes [88] -- KPbIC 22:06, 12 September 2006 (UTC)
You may be interested in the conversation here [89] Regards Giano | talk 10:15, 12 September 2006 (UTC)
What's wrong with the article? I plan also to start articles Northern betrayal, Southern betrayal and Internal betrayal - note, all about Poland.-- Nixer 12:34, 14 September 2006 (UTC)
Dear Irpen: It is some time since I began contributing to the Wikipedia and we collaborated together on our Kostomarov piece (before I registered), and I was somewhat surprised to meet you again in Volodymyr Kubiyovych. But here we are. I appreciate your additions to the article. However, I think that you underestimate the limited tactical nature of Kubiyovych's collaboration with the Germans and are in too much of a hurry to write him off as a Nazi, or something like one. Now, I admit that am not an expert on Kubiyovych, or even on the Second World War, but from what I have read of his writings and about him, he seems to have been no fascist. Certainly, his memoirs read very well and he comes across in them as a civilized man. In these memoirs, he compares himself to the Soviet Ukrainian academics who were evacuated to Ufa during the war and, of course, collaborated with Stalin's regime. He implies by this, I think, that they both did what little they could for the Ukrainian people in those terrible days "when evil was most free."
As to the citations on K's moderate position on Ukrainian-Polish relations during the war, and his saving Jews during the war, these come from I. Pidkova and R. Shust, Dovidnyk z istorii Ukrainy, 2nd ed. (K, 2002), article on Kubiyovych, which is available on line and could be linked to this article. But I do not know how to do this and it would be good if someone could do it for me.
Finally, I have again smoothed out the English in the article and tried to "encyclopedize" the language, to use an expression that you once taught me with regard to Kostomarov, and of which, I think, Kubiyovych would approve..
Best wishes... Mike Stoyik 16:40, 14 September 2006 (UTC)
Hey Irpen. Just in case you weren't aware it was this post of mine to AN/I that triggered a larger awareness of what was going on with regards to the NAS article and thus lead within a day or so of other people getting involved to the ArbCom request. The main issue has decreased in proportion to the increase in awareness of the issue -- I guess editors are being more self-conscious with regards to how their actions can be perceived. If you go back in the archived of that article's talk page and content edit history to before September 8th, you'll see a distinctly different situation that what is there now. -- Ben Houston 19:13, 14 September 2006 (UTC)
Uh, Irpen, what're you doing to me, deleting the comment I responded to? [90] Didn't you get an edit conflict? Bishonen | talk 23:18, 14 September 2006 (UTC).
I think your level of aggression toward Tony Sidaway has grown a bit more intense than is appropriate for Wikipedia. — Bunchofgrapes ( talk) 02:31, 15 September 2006 (UTC)
Your removal of my comment from Giano's talk page is okay, and I appreciate your opinion. I think your judgement on this matter is okay. -- Tony Sidaway 05:24, 16 September 2006 (UTC)
As I have been absent for over three weeks there might have been instances where I could have missed something serious, what is going on with our images on the commons? What other issues were there? -- Kuban Cossack 15:52, 16 September 2006 (UTC)
The place sounds Russian... any ideas? All I get are wiki mirror hits.-- Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus | talk 18:29, 16 September 2006 (UTC)
Please see here. Tyrenius 21:44, 16 September 2006 (UTC)
hello. do you know if the Order of Victory exist today??
secondly, you know what are the two symbols on the left side in his jacket? http://www.awards-orel.ru/img/baluevskiy.jpg Superzohar 16:50, 18 September 2006 (UTC)
I request we all leave Tony Sidaway alone for the time being. He is indeed trying to take a limited break so let's let him do so. Lets just all go about our business and not further flame the situation. I would really appreciate it if you could comply with this polite request. Thanks.-- MONGO 22:26, 21 September 2006 (UTC)
An arbitration case has been submitted to review the actions surround the recent Giano case on AN. I've listed you as an involved party, and you may wish to view the case here. -- InkSplotch 18:05, 22 September 2006 (UTC)
Hello,
An Arbitration case involving you has been opened: Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/Giano. Please add any evidence you may wish the arbitrators to consider to the evidence sub-page, Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/Giano/Evidence. You may also contribute to the case on the workshop sub-page, Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/Giano/Workshop.
On behalf of the Arbitration Committee, MacGyverMagic - Mgm| (talk) 22:07, 24 September 2006 (UTC)
Note that the Library of Congress source link for the Image:Red Army fighter save us.jpg you uploaded has expired. Unfortunately, when you search the Library of Congress websites, the search results and links to them are kept for only a finite time. So, the only way to supply information about the image in a permanent way is to cut and paste the image reference numbers. This takes only seconds, but is a sure way to help find the image source in the future, if needed to verify the license. For an example, take a look at Image:Niels Bohr Date Unverified LOC.jpg, Balcer 07:49, 30 September 2006 (UTC)
Which strong statements are u talking about? Sosomk 02:12, 5 October 2006 (UTC)
Irpen, I don't expect you to find the original Polish newspaper. What I do expect is that you will create a proper cite.php ref footnote, with as much info as you can gather from Mirchiuk book. I was able to find out the names of three of four journals he quotes, the last one is in Jewish and I am not sure how to proceed in this case. PS. As I wrote on talk, please update the info with dates and if possible pages of the journals.-- Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus | talk 02:43, 5 October 2006 (UTC)
Thanks to you too. Always ready for cooperation.-- Kober 10:09, 6 October 2006 (UTC)
In fact an admin blocked me instead of Fisss three days ago for 48 hours. I know no way how to make him to discuss his changes.-- Nixer 18:34, 6 October 2006 (UTC)
Can you please restore the article which I was working on and which was deleted out of process by sysop TheProject. He advocated the action that the article is crystall ball, but in my view the topic is entirely valid (just as space colonization). The article was based on citations from a reputable research and I planned to add some more sources. Besides it is a major topic in science fiction.-- Nixer 11:13, 7 October 2006 (UTC)
Hi Irpen. Can I ask you to partially protect the Georgia (country) page because of repeated vandalism and offending POV pushing by a bunch of IPs? Thanks, -- Kober 18:17, 7 October 2006 (UTC)
Thanks. I've added citations to the map's image page. The map is unfortunately Mercator projection, which causes some distortion and may make Sviatoslav's empire look unrealistically big. Briangotts (Talk) (Contrib) 19:11, 11 October 2006 (UTC)
You, or anyone else, is free to contact the arbitration committee. The wholesale way is to mail to the arbcom-l list, arbcom-l@Wikipedia.org Fred Bauder 11:50, 13 October 2006 (UTC)
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