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@
CountHackerWP:NCKO says to use go with the common usage in English sources. The two English sources in the article (Reuters and NYTimes) both use "Yoon Gwan". Of course, that said, Google ngrams doesn't even have data for anything other than Yun Kwan. --
Ahecht (
TALK PAGE) 20:51, 22 April 2024 (UTC)reply
Did you try searching in Google Books? There are plenty of hits for Yun Kwan there. As seen here:
[1],
[2][3],
[4],
[5],
[6].
WP:NCKO states that if there is an established common name, it should be used. However, in this case, there is no established common name, so the McCune-Reischauer Romanization should be used.
⁂CountHacker (
talk) 01:33, 23 April 2024 (UTC)reply
Per
David Stewart (footballer, born 1869) and some other examples at the
David Stewart disambig page, I believe the next option here would be David Stewart (producer, born XXXX). Unfortunately his year of birth is not given in the article (or in
his father's article) and I can't find it in any reliable source. ---DOOMSDAYER520 (
TALK|
CONTRIBS) 13:06, 22 April 2024 (UTC)reply
I recommend updating the reference to Dave Stewart (Eurythmics) to either Dave Stewart (English musician, born 1952) or simply Dave Stewart (musician, born 1952). This ensures clear disambiguation, as Dave Stewart's birthdate cannot be verified, leaving only the producer disambiguation.
Btspurplegalaxy💬🖊️ 14:34, 22 April 2024 (UTC)reply
@
Btspurplegalaxy, @
Doomsdayer520: possible to slide this under
WP:ABOUTSELF:
David Stewart (English producer, born 1989)? He had been wishing himself happy birthday on his social
32 in 2021, and
33 in 2022 around December each year, and his sister had referred to him has her older brother by five years in various interviews
in 2022 and
in 2017. She's born in Jan 1995, while if his socials are right, Dec 1989. While we tend to go by calendar year for age calculation, their natural age difference is 5 years and 1-2 months apart. Anecdotally, I have known of Dec-Jan siblings counting it this way as well.
– robertsky (
talk) 16:57, 22 April 2024 (UTC)reply
This feels a bit too OR-y for my taste. And in any event as the current title resulted from a seven-day move discussion any new moves would need one as well.
* Pppery *it has begun... 17:57, 22 April 2024 (UTC)reply
@
Robertsky: It seems that there is some debate about this, and the closure of the RM
[7] may have been premature. I urge you to consider undoing the close and relisting.
162 etc. (
talk) 18:37, 22 April 2024 (UTC)reply
@
GuardianH: As this was subject to a previous move discussion, as well as several moves, it is not eligible as a technical request.
Station1 (
talk) 18:55, 18 April 2024 (UTC)reply
@
MrMkG I don't know too much about how Indian names/titles work, but only one of the sources in the article uses Bhanwar Jitendra Singh, while most just Jitendra Singh or Shri Jitendra Singh seem more common. --
Ahecht (
TALK PAGE) 14:48, 18 April 2024 (UTC)reply
It's like a first first name, if that makes sense. Some people have it. Shri is a honorific like Mister. Only two of the sources in the article are independent news sources and Bhanwar is used by one of them. News sources commonly use Bhanwar so that he doesn't get confused with another Jitendra Singh who is an active politician. Even if it were less used which it isn't, it would still be more accessible without the disambiguation (who knows birth years?).
MrMkG (
talk) 22:17, 18 April 2024 (UTC)reply
I think this might benefit from a discussion, just to be on the safe size. It's almost always referred to in the plural, so could be an exception to WP:SINGULAR. —
Amakuru (
talk) 09:36, 19 April 2024 (UTC)reply
I have no objection to discussion if that is the case, but the first instance I saw was
Assize of Clarendon, which then brought me to the general topic. —
Ost (
talk) 16:47, 19 April 2024 (UTC)reply
MSA is the standard and common name; Modern Arabic contains various variations. '''[[User:CanonNi]]''' (
talk|
contribs) 12:47, 21 April 2024 (UTC)reply
No, but it is not standard. Normative means that it takes a standard for deducing rules, but this is not true. Classical Arabic is the one that takes a standard for rules.
أرمز (
talk) 13:16, 21 April 2024 (UTC)reply
If you want something from me, please tag me. I am on the Arabic Wikipedia + I am not fluent in English. Please search carefully to verify my words.
أرمز (
talk) 20:20, 21 April 2024 (UTC)reply
@
أرمز: This move is
potentially controversial, so it would require a requested-move discussion, which you can begin by clicking "discuss" on your request. You can remove this request after opening a discussion (or if you do not want to continue).
SilverLocust💬 23:21, 21 April 2024 (UTC)reply
Where do I place the request?
أرمز (
talk) 04:53, 22 April 2024 (UTC)reply
The previous version went through an
AfD and was closed as redirect in November 2023. Please go through AfC for a closer evaluation by AfC reviewers.
– robertsky (
talk) 15:35, 22 April 2024 (UTC)reply
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(
Discuss) – İskenderun → Iskenderun – According to
Ngram, Iskenderun is a much more common spelling. I was unable to differentiate the spelling on Google Scholar. However, Iskenderun appears to be more common among the foremost publications there:
[8] (Even more common when Turkish sources are discounted.) Iskenderun also uses letters found in the English alphabet:
WP:ENGLISHAintabli (
talk) 23:45, 22 April 2024 (UTC)reply
(
Discuss) – Rei Hance → Heather Donahue – This article was moved to 'Rei Hance' without any discussion, and I believe that it should be moved back to the subject's prior name per
WP:COMMONNAME and
WP:SPNC-- this seems much more analogous to the
Cat Stevens/Yusuf Islam example. The subject is only notable for her acting work as Heather Donahue, with the name change coming after retirement and she hasn't had any new work to warrant notability under her new name.
Shivertimbers433 (
talk) 22:56, 22 April 2024 (UTC)reply
(
Discuss) – Apple → Apple (fruit) – Heya, I have serval reasons arguing that there is
no primary topic, let’s get into it. We’re gonna abide by
WP:PTOPIC, which reads as follows: 1. A topic is primary for a term with respect to usage if it is highly likely—much more likely than any other single topic, and more likely than all the other topics combined—to be the topic sought when a reader searches for that term. As evident by
page view statistics,
strong popularity and usage of iPhone services and products,
the trillion-dollar company is the most likely topic that Wikipedia readers will look for. But wait, there also exists the second point: 2. A topic is primary for a term with respect to long-term significance if it has substantially greater enduring notability and educational value than any other topic associated with that term.Apples have huge symbolism in historical mythology, human consumption, and cultural influence. In contemporary times, both the corporation and the fruit are widely recognized and significant. I say neither topic deserves merit as a primary topic, who’s with me?
DS537(WIR) 21:16, 22 April 2024 (UTC)reply
(
Discuss) – 2022–2023 mpox outbreak →
Global mpox outbreak – Please see the previous two brief headings on this page. The global outbreak did not actually end in 2023 (see also
[9]), and it is more properly described as the global outbreak to distinguish it from outbreaks in previously endemic regions. There is no need for naming specific years in the title; other disease outbreak/epidemic articles do not do this. Crossroads-talk- 18:48, 22 April 2024 (UTC)reply
(
Discuss) – Prince Christian of Hanover → Christian von Hannover – Per
WP:NCROY and the outcome of past discussions in exceedingly similar cases:
1 and
2. There are no princes of Hanover born post 1918; the correct response to the request
here should have been to move the two mis-titled sibling pages, not this one.
JBL (
talk) 17:28, 22 April 2024 (UTC)reply
(
Discuss) – Prince Ernst August of Hanover (born 1983) → Ernst August von Hannover (born 1983) – In Germany titles of royals and nobles were abolished in 1919 and are not recognised today by Germany which is a republic. The convention in
WP:NCROY states: "Do not use hypothetical, dissolved or defunct titles, including pretenders (real or hypothetical), unless this is what the majority of reliable sources use." Therefore I do not believe Prince should be used in the title Regarding the surname - "of Hanover" is a translation of his surname "von Hannover". Names and surnames should not be translated. We don't do it for other German surnames and I don't see why we should do it here.
D1551D3N7 (
talk) 17:08, 22 April 2024 (UTC)reply
(
Discuss) – Convention Centre Precinct →
Te Pae – As per the discussion above, there is a case for this article to be renamed. The question is: what should the new name be? You can read my contribution above and I have a slight preference for "Te Pae" as it's what The Press uses most commonly, and they would be the one who write about this facility most regularly. This name is also the most
WP:PRECISE. That said, I won't mind if this lands on any of the longer name options. Schwede66 22:12, 14 April 2024 (UTC) — Relisting.Wikiexplorationandhelping (
talk) 14:46, 22 April 2024 (UTC)reply
(
Discuss) – 2024 Ju County attack →
2024 Ju County massacre – I've just renamed this article, adding the year (2024) into the start of the article, but I'm not sure if it's the best. I personally see how this could be a massacre rather than merely an attack considering how attacks with fewer casualties were referred to a "massacre" (examples:
Columbine High School massacre and
Munich massacre). Really what is a massacre as per common name isn't very stringently defined, and I'd like to start a discussion as to whether this constitutes as a massacre or not, and which specific noun should be used as this article's title.
Josethewikier (
talk) 14:38, 22 April 2024 (UTC)reply
(
Discuss) – Callum "Halfway" Highway → Callum Highway – With all due respect, he hasn't been called "Halfway" in a long time. He is no longer credited as such and most news sources published within the last few years just call him Callum Highway. The show itself acknowledged that nobody really calls him Halfway anymore so I was just wondering if it was time for a move. Thanks!
FishLoveHam (
talk) 08:43, 22 April 2024 (UTC)reply
(
Discuss) – South Africa v. Israel (Genocide Convention) → South Africa v. Israel – The "(Genocide Convention)" part of the name is not necessary since there is no other notable legal case filed by South Africa against Israel.
Officially, the title of the case is Application of the Convention on the Prevention and Punishment of the Crime of Genocide in the Gaza Strip (South Africa v. Israel), so this South Africa v. Israel (Genocide Convention) name doesn't appear to have any official status, it seems to be just nomenclature Wikipedia editors have invented. Per the article title policy, we don't use disambiguating parentheses unless it is necessary to disambiguate with another article (there isn't one), or there is some other strong reason to do it (which there isn't either).
SomethingForDeletion (
talk) 07:44, 22 April 2024 (UTC)reply
(
Discuss) – Currents (Tame Impala album) → Currents (album) – There are only two other albums mentioned on the
disambiguation page titled Currents: the
In Vain album is a redirect, which leaves us the
Eisley album, in which, even going back to July 2015, the Tame Impala album overweighs it in pageviews by a ratio of
almost 90:1. This, along with its numerous accolades and certifications, and also the fact that it continues to make Billboard year-end charts years later, makes this seem like a clear
WP:PDABPRIMARY.
LoTrWiki (
talk) 23:15, 21 April 2024 (UTC)reply
(
Discuss) – John McKay Jr. → J. K. McKay – McKay was known throughout his professional career by his initials, not by the junior suffix.
APM (
talk) 14:38, 21 April 2024 (UTC) This is a contested technical request (
permalink).
162 etc. (
talk) 16:48, 21 April 2024 (UTC)reply
(
Discuss) – Dave Finlay Sr. →
Dave Finlay (wrestling coach) – While his background is in professional wrestling, his recent acceptance of an MBE relates to Olympic wrestling. It may also differentiate him from his son Fit Finlay, who has since become known for his role in women's professional wrestling.
APM (
talk) 14:38, 21 April 2024 (UTC) This is a contested technical request (
permalink).
162 etc. (
talk) 16:47, 21 April 2024 (UTC)reply
(
Discuss) – Stan Seymour Jr. →
Stan Seymour (football chairman) – His occupation might be a better disambiguator here, as it has never been clear whether he had the exact same name as his father. For context, he did not become a footballer like his father, but he was Newcastle United's chairman in the 1980s. The press called him Stan Seymour Jr anyway.
APM (
talk) 14:38, 21 April 2024 (UTC) This is a contested technical request (
permalink).
162 etc. (
talk) 16:47, 21 April 2024 (UTC)reply
(
Discuss) – Muhammad al-Bukhari → Al-Bukhari – This is simply the most famous al-Bukhari.
Al-Bukhari even redirects here. This is common with Arabic nisbas where strictly speaking, there's a lot of people who share a portion of the fullest version of the name, so we just follow the
WP:RS sources for the short form used. Such as his student,
al-Tirmidhi (not Muhammad al-Tirmidhi),
al-Tabari (not Muhammad al-Tabari),
al-Nasa'i (not Ahmad al-Nasa'i) etc. "Bukhari" without the Arabic definite article can be a disambiguation, though al-Bukhari is clearly
WP:COMMONNAME per this figure.
Aqsian313 (
talk) 20:35, 14 April 2024 (UTC) Sockstrike☿
Apaugasma (
talk☉) 14:51, 21 April 2024 (UTC)reply
(
Discuss) – Yol →
Yol (film) – Yet another disambiguation page with no primary topic. Based on pageview data,
Yol (the film) does seem to actually be the top choice, but the combined notability of the other topics still seems to overcome it.
Duckmather (
talk) 04:48, 21 April 2024 (UTC)reply
(
Discuss) – Aerosol paint → Spray paint – "Spray paint" is currently a redirect to this article, but based on [WP:COMMONNAME]] it seems it would make more sense for "spray paint" to be the name of the article, as that is the name used in almost all the references used.
-- NotCharizard🗨 04:07, 21 April 2024 (UTC)reply
(
Discuss) – Bailiff Byrd → Petri Hawkins-Byrd – His full name is very well known. A google search gives as many hits for his full name as for Bailiff Byrd. Therefor I think we shall use his full name.
DrKilleMoff (
talk) 21:19, 19 April 2024 (UTC)reply
(
Discuss) – Ira Robbins (disambiguation) → Ira Robbins – The current target is a redirect to a magazine, as Robbins (the founder of that magazine) does not have a main article. No primary topic for this name.
Natg 19 (
talk) 17:22, 19 April 2024 (UTC)reply
(
Discuss) – Kyle Hamilton (American football) →
Kyle Hamilton – The current page for "Kyle Hamilton" is a disambiguation page with only two people, the football player, and a rower of the same name. The football player averages 249 out of 254 daily page views across the three pages, and 98.6% of all pageviews since the beginning of April, despite the NFL not being in season. The football player should have the base, non-disambiguated name, and move the disambiguation page to "Kyle Hamilton (disambiguation)".
Debartolo2917 (
talk) 15:45, 19 April 2024 (UTC) This is a contested technical request (
permalink).
microbiologyMarcuspetri dish·
growths 17:16, 19 April 2024 (UTC)reply
(
Discuss) – Karkat →
Karkat, Afghanistan – No one (or very close to no one) is going to look up "Karkat" expecting to find info about a random village in Afghanistan. The primary topic for "Karkat" seems to clearly be
Karkat Vantas, but since
Karkat still gets more views somehow (maybe this is because the page
Karkat Vantas is only a redirect?), I think disambiguating the base title would be better. (As an aside, if we were to confer upon Karkat Vantas primary topic status, then this RM would just be moving
Karkat to
Karkat, Afghanistan and then retargeting the redirect.)
Duckmather (
talk) 16:18, 19 April 2024 (UTC)reply
(
Discuss) – Patricia Quinn → Patricia Quinn (disambiguation) – I suggest that the British actress is the primary topic. She does have a fairly lengthy career, including important parts in two very well-known productions, "The Rocky Horror Picture Show" and "I, Claudius". The other two are not quite on this scale. (This also avoids the problem of whether we should call her a British actress when she comes from Belfast.)
PatGallacher (
talk) 14:46, 19 April 2024 (UTC)reply
(
Discuss) – Lucent → Lucent Technologies – Usually I am more in favour of shorter names, but in this case I think that the longer name is better. Lucent used "Technologies" in their logo. And it makes it more clear it is about a technology company.
PhotographyEdits (
talk) 13:38, 19 April 2024 (UTC)reply
(
Discuss) – Hamme → Hamme, Belgium – I had disambiguated this recently, and
Talk:Hamme (disambiguation) contains a pretty good explanation based on data on why there is no primary topic by usage. User Fram reverted this move now, just as I was typing the most recent reply in that discussion. I suppose it's better to have a formal RM to gather more community input. Fundamentally, we do not have much reason to believe that the term "Hamme" is strongly associated by the average English reader with the Belgian location, and a simple disambiguation list is the easy and reliable solution here. With regard to long-term significance, it's not clear that the town would come even close to overshadowing the other homonyms, which include a river in Germany and another settlement there.
Joy (
talk) 16:41, 10 April 2024 (UTC) — Relisting.Extraordinary Writ (
talk) 07:52, 19 April 2024 (UTC)reply
(
Discuss) – 2024 Israeli strikes on Iran → 2024 Israeli strikes in Isfahan – This is a retaliation to a retaliation, but that article was not named as a retaliation. So the same should apply here, and it would get more confusing if Iran retaliates to this attack. It would be weird to call such article a retaliation to a retaliation to a retaliation, this hasn't been done before.
Bigfatman8766 (
talk) 05:14, 19 April 2024 (UTC)reply
(
Discuss) – Shake Your Moneymaker → Shake Your Money Maker – Although the song is sometimes spelled with a spaced "Money Maker", mostly in covers, all instances of "Shake Your Moneymaker", unspaced, refer to the song, as that was the spelling used on the original Elmore James version. So, per
WP:SMALLDIFFS and
WP:CONCISE, this title should be that of the song article, and the dab title should have a space.
Mach61 23:38, 18 April 2024 (UTC)reply
(
Discuss) – Ecclesiastical polity → Church polity – Concision and recognizability. "Church" and "ecclesiastical" are exactly equivalent, but "church" is a more common term to the average user. According to
Ngram, the two phrases are now roughly as common as one another, though "ecclesiastical" is more historically prevalent.
Dirkwillems (
talk) 00:18, 11 April 2024 (UTC) — Relisting.Natg 19 (
talk) 23:32, 18 April 2024 (UTC)reply
(
Discuss) – Rasna → Rasna (drink) – I had disambiguated this recently, and
Talk:Rasna (disambiguation) contains a pretty good explanation based on data on why there is no primary topic by usage. User Fram reverted this move now, so here's a formal RM to gather more community input. Fundamentally, we do not have much reason to believe that the term "Rasna" is strongly associated by the average English reader with the drink made in India, and a simple disambiguation list is the easy and reliable solution here. India is certainly a huge English-speaking country, but this product does not appear to be well-known globally (at least according to the current article content). With regard to long-term significance, it's not clear that the drink would come even close to overshadowing the other homonyms, which include the Etruscan civilization, and half a dozen small settlements across Europe.
Joy (
talk) 17:55, 10 April 2024 (UTC) — Relisting.Natg 19 (
talk) 23:30, 18 April 2024 (UTC)reply
(
Discuss) – Nicaragua Canal → ? – As the opening sentence of this article puts it, "there is a long history of attempts to build a canal across Nicaragua to connect the Atlantic Ocean with the Pacific Ocean", from as early as the 1500s to the most recent and hence most notable one in the 2010s. Currently, the general article is at "History of" and the specific one about the 2010s project at "Nicaragua Canal". Each has a section summarizing the other,
Nicaragua Canal § History and
History of the Nicaragua Canal § HKND project (2010–present), with {{
main}} hatnote crosslinks. This likely made sense when said project was active and there was reason to expect it to result in an actual canal, which would obviously have been vastly more notable than any mere plan to build one. But by the end of that decade, the project had been essentially abandoned, and I don't think it makes sense any longer. "Nicaragua Canal" has about 200 incoming article links (
[18]), of which I surveyed the first 20. The result is pretty much an even split between links that should indeed go to the 2010s project, and links that should go to the general page, or in some cases ideally one of its sections about earlier specific projects. But it's more confusing to follow a link to an article that's about the wrong specific thing than to an article that's too general, especially when that specific article has an unspecific title. So a switch would clarify the situation, IMO. The most obvious choice for a new title for the specific article is "Nicaraguan Canal and Development Project", per its opening sentence - though something that includes a date, as the "HKND project (2010–present)" section title does, might be more informative, so I left that open. -
2A02:560:58C3:0:B0B9:6993:EC37:F849 (
talk) 15:34, 10 April 2024 (UTC) — Relisting.Natg 19 (
talk) 23:29, 18 April 2024 (UTC)reply
(
Discuss) – Unge Ferrari → Stig Brenner – He changed his artist name from "Unge Ferrari" to "Stig Brenner" in 2020. The Norwegian article was moved in 2022, and the German article also uses his newer artist name.
12u (
talk) 21:08, 9 April 2024 (UTC) — Relisting.Natg 19 (
talk) 23:24, 18 April 2024 (UTC)reply
(
Discuss) – 3α-Hydroxysteroid dehydrogenase → AKR1C4 – This article covers the type 1 isoform of the enzyme, which is encoded by the gene AKR1C4. The current title is ambiguous with the other isoforms of this enzyme, which each have an article under the name of the gene which encode them (
AKR1C2,
AKR1C3). This title could be made more
precise by lengthening it to
3α-Hydroxysteroid dehydrogenase type 1. However, to make it more
concise and
consistent as well, I propose moving the page to AKR1C4 (which was the title until
2012).
SilverLocust💬 19:39, 9 April 2024 (UTC) — Relisting.Natg 19 (
talk) 23:21, 18 April 2024 (UTC)reply
(
Discuss) – Pedro Pagés → ? – "
Pedro Pagés" is currently the title of a biographical article of a guy who played two seasons in the major Negro Leagues and does not appear to meet the notability criteria for an article. (Historians don't even know when the guy died). He's certainly less notable than the current Pedro Pagés. If that article is even kept, it should be moved to "Pedro Pagés (outfielder)" and this article moved to "Pedro Pagés."
Dennis C. Abrams (
talk) 13:26, 8 April 2024 (UTC)
Rotideypoc41352 (
talk·contribs) 00:38, 9 April 2024 (UTC) — Relisting.Natg 19 (
talk) 23:17, 18 April 2024 (UTC)reply
(
Discuss) – If a tree falls in a forest → If a tree falls in a forest and no one is around to hear it, does it make a sound? – or
If a tree falls ...? It is not clear why the question that is the subject of this article is truncated after the first seven words, leaving the rest unstated and the question mark absent. No ellipsis is provided to show that something is missing. The topic is a question, and that can be seen from the opening sentence, but the article title doesn't show that. The
Bruce Cockburn song title truncates it after only four words. If we think the question is just too long, let's stop at four like he did, but add the ellipsis and the question mark. —
BarrelProof (
talk) 02:56, 7 April 2024 (UTC) — Relisting.Natg 19 (
talk) 23:11, 18 April 2024 (UTC)reply
(
Discuss) – Median state → Median kingdom – The term "kingdom" is more common and natural as evidenced in the article itself.
Mawer10 (
talk) 21:38, 31 March 2024 (UTC) This is a contested technical request (
permalink).
Mawer10 (
talk) 01:13, 3 April 2024 (UTC) — Relisting.Natg 19 (
talk) 23:05, 18 April 2024 (UTC)reply
(
Discuss) – Afon Tanat → River Tanat –
Ngrams shows "River Tanat" is used more in English, therefore the
WP:COMMONNAME. As used by
CPAT[19],
NRW[20], and
UK Gov. A lot of search results seem to take after Wikipedia when searching the current name. Plus the current name is from Welsh, but not the apparent common Welsh name itself, which is
Afon Tanad, so the current is neither the common Welsh or English name. DankJae 12:05, 2 April 2024 (UTC) — Relisting.Natg 19 (
talk) 23:01, 18 April 2024 (UTC)reply
(
Discuss) – The Lion's Share →
The lion's share – Since this disambiguation page's first entry —
Lion's share — uses the lowercase form, the main title header could be also in lowercase, thus enabling the move of
The Lion's Share (1971 film) →
The Lion's Share. This film's title represents English Wikipedia's sole header bearing this exact form, thus obviating need for the parenthetical qualifier "(1971 film)". Likewise,
Lion's Share (band) is the sole such header — no need for the qualifier "(band)". Hatnotes atop all the standalone articles would, of course, point to
The lion's share dab page. —
Roman Spinner(talk •
contribs) 18:41, 10 April 2024 (UTC) — Relisting. ASUKITE 19:04, 18 April 2024 (UTC)reply
(
Discuss) – Dallas Green (baseball) →
Dallas Green – Following the recent page move of the musician to "City and Colour", there is no need to have the disambiguation for the baseball manager. After all, the musician was named after the baseball manager! A hatnote could be used to different between the two, as well with the unrelated baseball team Dallas Green Monarchs.
APM (
talk) 18:57, 18 April 2024 (UTC)reply
(
Discuss) – Star Wars: Clone Wars (2003 TV series) → Star Wars: Clone Wars – Per
WP:SMALLDETAILS, this article doesn't need to be disambiguated from every article titled something resembling Star Wars: Clone Wars, it only has to be disambiguated from other works that could be referred to with that exact title. The
2008 show and the
movie have a "the" in the title, and should thus be different enough to avoid problems. Although both are colloquially referred to as Clone Wars, just as this show is, neither is really ever referred to or could be titled here as Star Wars: Clone Wars because that title would be wrong. The only article titled exactly Star Wars: Clone Wars is the one about
the comics, which is much less important than this article (it's basically just a list of comics titled something like Clone Wars or The Clone Wars, and has less than 400 views in the last month compared to over 27,000 for this article). If this goes through, I would recommend adding a hatnote to the movie, and maybe one for
Clone Wars (Star Wars), just to help with navigation.
Ladtrack (
talk) 15:47, 18 April 2024 (UTC)reply
(
Discuss) – Obi-Wan Kenobi (TV series) →
Obi-Wan Kenobi (miniseries) – Per the above discussion and
WP:NCTV, "(miniseries)" is the correct disambiguation for this article. The fact that there are no further seasons planned is stated and well supported in the article. If don't think this should be controversial but started this discussion to make sure there is visibility first. -
adamstom97 (
talk) 09:50, 18 April 2024 (UTC)reply
(
Discuss) – AMD Radeon Software →
AMD Software – Officially rebranded to 'AMD Software' since mid 2022, sources:
[21],
[22]. However I am not sure if "AMD Software" is a recognisable and precise title, hence starting a discussion on this. —
AP 499D25(talk) 08:54, 18 April 2024 (UTC)reply
(
Discuss) – Palestine → Palestine (disambiguation) – Per
WP:COMMONNAME and the upcoming UNSC vote on Friday to have Palestine upgraded as a UN member, I suggest this article be renamed to simply "Palestine" like all other country articles in this Wikipedia. It doesn't make sense to use Ireland as the Republic of Ireland or the Republic of China as two articles with one on the mainland and the other on Taiwan. Even the Google Trends uses Palestine more than the State of Palestine itself. Kindly keep this debate civil.
Silence of Lambs (
talk) 00:03, 18 April 2024 (UTC)reply
(
Discuss) – Woo Bum-kon →
Woo Bum-kon incident – Per
WP:BIO1E. Woo is notable for murdering a lot of people in one event, and not much else. Someone had previously tried to change this article to
Uiryeong massacre, however this title is original research: all of the later Korean sources call it some variation of "Woo Bom-kon incident", "Woo Bom-kon shooting incident", etc, see (
우범곤 사건, lit Woo Bum-kon incident). It is the clear common name, and we can't just make up our own titles. I believe this means it will be delisted as a vital article though, since it no longer fits the category it is listed in. Also, this article still has the problem of being overwhelmingly tilted towards 80s English news coverage instead of the boatload of later, more accurate, Korean language sourcing, but as I do not speak Korean this is a difficult issue to fix. Hopefully someone will, someday.
PARAKANYAA (
talk) 20:56, 17 April 2024 (UTC)reply
(
Discuss) – Socialist Republic of Romania → Socialist Romania – Here we are again. Two years ago I proposed a move to
Communist Romania[23], which was unsuccessful. Many of the opposers focused on the appropriate use of Marxist terminology, as Romania did not achieve
communism, which would imply if I am not mistaken an abolishment of the state, despite meeting the definition used at
Communist state. Now that the page has been subject to some moves I think it is a good moment to revisit the alternative I proposed and which went largely undiscussed,
Socialist Romania This article deals with all of Romania's communist regime. During this time, Romania was known by two names, Romanian People's Republic (1947–1965) and Socialist Republic of Romania (1965–1989). The current title, using the last of the two names, leaves out 40% of this period. This is not based on any policy, convention or common practice.
People's Socialist Republic of Albania uses the second out of three official names, which was used only half the time the first one was;
Czechoslovak Socialist Republic also uses the second out of three official names, this time it is the one used for the longest. Most other Eastern Bloc states had only one official name throughout their history and are not valid comparisons. Per
WP:OFFICIALNAMES we are not required to stick to official names and can resort to descriptive rather than proper names if there is good reason.
"Socialist Romania" gives 4,890 results in Google Scholar, while
"Socialist Republic of Romania" gives 4,950 (and
"Romanian People's Republic" gives 711). The proposed title is practically just as common (
WP:COMMONNAME) as the current one. Worth noting that
"Communist Romania" gives 12,700 results and is the most common name, but it is not the focus of this RM, because it was rejected on the last one. Thus, "Socialist Romania", while not violating
WP:OFFICIALNAMES and
WP:COMMONNAME, is shorter than the current title (
WP:CONCISE), actually covers the whole period (
WP:PRECISE) and is seemingly in line with Marxist terminology. The choice of using the last official name is not based on any formal procedure (and is thus arbitrary by definition), and we are not pressed to keep it. For all of these reasons I believe the proposed title is a better alternative. By the way, this will be my last attempt at altering this article's title.
SuperΨDro 20:11, 17 April 2024 (UTC)reply
(
Discuss) – Forwarding plane → Data plane – This page treats 'forwarding plane' and 'data plane' pretty much as synonyms. The term 'data plane' is by far the more common name -
evidence from Google Trends. There is already a redirect at
Data plane. The proposal is to rename this page to 'Data plane', and have a redirect from 'Forwarding plane' to this, m.m.
Chumpiht 17:49, 17 April 2024 (UTC)reply
(
Discuss) – Shoulder (road) → Hard shoulder – natural disambiguation
WP:NATDAB. There is a reason why
sidewalk is not titled
pavement because that term can also mean the road surface. Similarly,
elevator is not titled
lift because that also has another meaning. So why isn;t it the case here? Yes the term is British but that doesn't require disambiguation, but shoulder does as that commonly refers to the body part. It is also permitted to switch between English varieties if 'the change reduces ambiguity', as shown at
WP:RETAIN. This article has no (strong) ties to any English speaking land and since no ENGVAR is established, if this move is successful, then British English should be established for this article.
JuniperChill (
talk) 17:39, 17 April 2024 (UTC)reply
(
Discuss) – XO-2 (star) →
XO-2 –
XO-2 currently disambiguates between this article and
OLPC XO-2, which is a redirect. This can be resolved with a hatnote; the disambiguation page is unnecessary. Also,
OLPC XO-3 is an article but
XO-3 is an article about the star system, not a disambiguation page. (Since this move involves deleting the page currently at the target, is an AFD also needed?)
SevenSpheres (
talk) 16:00, 17 April 2024 (UTC)reply
(
Discuss) – Catalan cinema → Cinema of Catalonia –
WP:TITLECON. The article defines it as the cinema of Catalonia, including films in Catalan and Spanish. That means 'Catalan' refers to Catalonia, not the Catalan language, and excludes Valencia, the Baleares and Andorra. Any hypothetical article about films in Catalan should be named "Catalan-language cinema" or somesuch.
NLeeuw (
talk) 14:05, 14 April 2024 (UTC) This is a contested technical request (
permalink).
NLeeuw (
talk) 15:17, 17 April 2024 (UTC)reply
(
Discuss) – Maratha Empire → Maratha Confederacy – The Maratha state had been a confederation of some sort for much of its existence from at least 1721 when the Baroda State was founded and 1732 when Indore and Gwalior States were founded till 1818. The Maratha state during the Deccan wars under Shivaji and his descendents was not in the slightest an "empire", rather a quasi-state or rebel kingdom from 1674 till 1707. Besides in most scholarly sources the Maratha realm has been referred to as the "Maratha Confederacy" or "Maratha States". (Look at the infobox map itself. It says "Maratha States".) Calling it an empire is an overly biased PoV.
PadFoot2008 (
talk) 14:31, 17 April 2024 (UTC)reply
(
Discuss) – Limitarianism → Limitarianism (disambiguation) – (The last set of moves is not a requested move but a
histmerge, considering one was copied-pasted to the other.) I'm seeking consensus on whether the (ethical) article is a
broad concept article that should occupy the base page name; it was moved in 2017. If consensus is that (ethical) is not a broad concept article (or the primary topic) [or there is no consensus], I plan to open further discussions to see if a
split (
#Should be several articles above) is in order. Thanks in advanced!
Rotideypoc41352 (
talk·contribs) 17:17, 4 April 2024 (UTC) — Relisting.– robertsky (
talk) 13:21, 17 April 2024 (UTC)reply
(
Discuss) – Asha, Cyprus → Assia, Cyprus – Page was moved from 'Askia' to 'Asha, Cyprus' back in 2014 without any explanation (or discussion). As far as I can see, no English-language sources are using the current name; they use either 'Assia', 'Askia' or 'Ashia', where the first seems to be the most common, especially in the sources used in the article.
T*U (
talk) 13:10, 17 April 2024 (UTC)reply
(
Discuss) – Sexual intercourse →
Sexual intercourse in humans – This is common article about sexual intercourse which should be renamed as sexual intercourse (in common) or sexual intercourse in animals instead of the article sexual intercourse which is about human only, thus should be renamed as sexual intercourse in humans.
202.134.11.235 (
talk) 10:25, 6 April 2024 (UTC) — Relisting.SilverLocust💬 09:17, 17 April 2024 (UTC)reply
(
Discuss) – Raptor → Raptor (disambiguation) – Raptor as
bird of prey is clearly the
WP:PRIMARYTOPIC, and I'm a little bit perturbed at the opposing reasoning on the last discussion. Hit counts do not dictate primary topics. First, dinosaurs like Velociraptor or Dakotaraptor are named for their resemblance to extant raptors -- raptor literally meaning "robber" for the way that birds of prey generally take quarry. Second, everything with the "raptor" name refers directly or indirectly (through
dromaeosaurid dinosaurs) to birds of prey. The NBA team, computer code, fighter jet, et all are named as such to draw a parallel to the ferocity and power of either raptors (the birds) or raptors (the dromaeosaurs). Lastly, dromaeosaurs are only colloquially called "raptors", whereas birds of prey can be formally referred to as such.
wound theology◈ 06:32, 17 April 2024 (UTC)reply
(
Discuss) – Karma (2024 song) → Karma's a Bitch – This page keeps getting moved. The previous rationale was "The song was originally called that in the Miley Cyrus demo, and the Brit Smith demo. It also takes away the disambiguating, so it more succinct." I’m unsure, however. The article is about the song as an entity, but that 'entity' hasn’t got a name, but it’s clear that there are two versions of the same song, and that they are not covers of each other. I don’t think this has ever happened before. Plus the proposed title is already a redirect to the page, so seems like the most logical title. This is a case of 'what came first, the chicken or the egg?' Another suggestion is Karma and Karma's a Bitch.
109.235.247.80 (
talk) 01:57, 17 April 2024 (UTC)reply
April 16, 2024
(
Discuss) – Battle of Jackson → Battle of Jackson (disambiguation) – The battle in Mississippi is the primary topic for "Battle of Jackson". The Tennessee battle was a minor cavalry raid whereas the battle in Mississippi was a major battle during the
Vicksburg campaign. Without any context, "Battle of Jackson" refers to the Mississippi battle, it is the Tennessee battle alone that should require disambiguation. The Mississippi article is getting ~5x the page views. Hatnotes can easily address the other topics; the dab page can probably be deleted but might as well move it for now.
Mdewman6 (
talk) 20:26, 16 April 2024 (UTC)reply
(
Discuss) – List of NBCUniversal television programs →
List of Comcast television programs – This article lists shows produced by Sky Studios (and it's subsidiaries), which is not part of NBCUniversal but rather part of
Sky Group, another company owned by Comcast. Additionally, Sky has its own section in the article with other companies that are owned by NBCU, which is misleading and confusing as it can make people assume it's part of NBCU. It would be more suitable if most of the sections were put into an NBCU section, which would exist with the Sky section.
Inpops (
talk) 18:19, 16 April 2024 (UTC)reply
(
Discuss) – Reification (linguistics) → ? – Given the mentions of tooling and synonym discovery I think the content of this page was already more in the realm of natural language processing than linguistics. Consider merging the bottom part with semantic parsing.
Sean Lewis Bethard (
talk) 05:31, 25 March 2024 (UTC) — Relisting.Bensci54 (
talk) 16:57, 1 April 2024 (UTC) — Relisting.❯❯❯ Raydann(Talk) 17:54, 16 April 2024 (UTC)reply
(
Discuss) – Biblical and Quranic narratives →
Biblical narratives in the Quran – The current title is unclear. It is impossible to tell what the article is really about. An alternative to my suggestion might be "Biblical figures in the Quran". The subject of the article is clearly Biblical persons and stories found in some form also in the Quran.
Srnec (
talk) 01:29, 7 April 2024 (UTC) — Relisting.❯❯❯ Raydann(Talk) 17:26, 16 April 2024 (UTC)reply
(
Discuss) – Orlando (disambiguation) → Orlando – I realise that this was discussed before in 2016, but consensus may have changed. A recent discussion at
Talk:Orlando, Florida showed no consensus that this is the primary topic. I would put forward two reasons. Firstly, the sheer number of entries on this page means that we should be cautious about deciding that there is a primary topic. Secondly, some people argued that the Florida city is widely known outside the USA because it attracts a large number of tourists as the location of Disney World. However, speaking as a European who has never visited the USA, the extent to which US cities are widely known elsewhere is not necessarily a function of the number of tourists, it's not like e.g. Chicago or Los Angeles.
PatGallacher (
talk) 17:07, 16 April 2024 (UTC)reply
(
Discuss) – Bahmani-Vijayanagara War (1375 - 1378) → Mujahid Shah's Vijayanagara campaigns – Not found any sources calling the event as "Bahmani-Vijayanagar War" of 1375-78. The article is based on the campaign of Mujahid Shah of Bahmani Sultanate after the death of his father
Mohammed Shah I. Mujahid Shah's campaign against the Vijayanagara empire is notable, but no
WP:RS, nor any Historians referred this to as the current title. As we can't invent names for the military conflicts such as X-Y War, proposing move.
Imperial[AFCND] 09:37, 9 April 2024 (UTC) — Relisting.Bensci54 (
talk) 16:56, 16 April 2024 (UTC)reply
The 7-day listing period has elapsed. Items below may be closed if there's a consensus, or if discussion has run its course and consensus could not be achieved.
(
Discuss) – Diane O'Connor → Diane Hutchinson – Diane has now been credited as "Hutchinson" for the past 1- years - longer than O'Connor. She is no longer called "O'Connor" in the show, and more importantly, reliable sources list her using "Hutchinson", indicating that it is her
WP:COMMONNAME. Searching "O'Connor" does not get as many results as Hutchinson, so I recommend this move.
DaniloDaysOfOurLives (
talk) 12:12, 16 April 2024 (UTC)reply
(
Discuss) – Charlotte Drake → ? – Charlotte has never been credited as Charlotte Drake - she used it once as an alias in a flashback in the final episode, but nothing more - other characters have not even referenced to her as that throughout the show's duration. Furthermore, her
WP:COMMONNAME is either Charlotte DiLaurentis or Cece Drake. I hence propose a move to one of these.
DaniloDaysOfOurLives (
talk) 11:43, 16 April 2024 (UTC)reply
(
Discuss) – I Am... (Beyoncé tour) → I Am... World Tour – This request is to restore the former name of the page. The previous move was closed under a quintaessential example of why
supervoting is inappropriate and why Wikipedia is built upon consensus and not a polling democracy. The argument provided by the closer, @
BilledMammal:, reads as follows: Consensus to move per
WP:PRECISION; the current title is ambiguous. Ambiguity was never a reason provided for the move by itself; the argument was "There are multiple albums by multiple artists called I Am which could be easily confused as being the subject of this tour", which is not a valid argument to move a page. The tour is not a subsection of an album to argue such thing. Furthermore, being ambiguous is not a reason to move pages mainly because the
titling criteria is not a set of imposed rules. The closing didn't address the arguments provided by either side and it never explained where the consensus arised. Additionally, it was never demonstrated that the official name is the
WP:COMMONAME, why we should follow an
WP:OFFICIALNAME, why
WP:SMALLDETAILS is not applicable, why
WP:NATURAL is not applicable, and since the page was moved and the redirects corrected,
exactly where is the ambiguity in the title, since the Lewis tour has not improved its views caused by the alleged ambiguity.
(CC)Tbhotch™ 01:49, 16 April 2024 (UTC)reply
(
Discuss) – 2023 Georgian protests →
2023–2024 Georgian protests – The protests have been
restarted after the practically the same law was reinstroduced into the Parliament. All sides are same and the matter of protests is still the same, so it is basically a same thing and there is no point to write a new article. The protests are expected to continue so this article should be moved to 2023–2024 Georgian protests page
38.51.157.23 (
talk) 19:31, 15 April 2024 (UTC)reply
(
Discuss) – Iran–Israel proxy conflict → Iran–Israel conflict – Iran and Israel are now attacking each other directly, and in the past they have carried out cyber attacks, direct covert operations and other actions other than supporting proxies. Therefore, the title is not correct and needs to be changed.
Parham wiki (
talk) 19:04, 15 April 2024 (UTC)reply
(
Discuss) – November Uprising (Lviv, 1918) →
November act – per all languages that have an article on this. * The article suggests that there was uprising in Lviv, while in reality, the Ukrainians took the city without a fight and disarmed Austrian soldiers. * The article characterizes the Ukrainian capture of the city as an uprising. However, shortly thereafter, the Poles also rose up against the Ukrainians, which could also be described as an uprising. Rather then the article being named "November Uprising (Lviv,1918)" the name should get redirected to
Battle of Lemberg (1918) .
Olek Novy (
talk) 19:03, 15 April 2024 (UTC)reply
(
Discuss) – Tbilisi Spiritual Seminary → Tbilisi Theological Seminary – The institution's own website uses
uses Tbilisi Theological Academy and Seminary. Most sources seem to use "Theological" (see
Google books for "Tiflis Theological Seminary", or high-quality sources like Brill's Encyclopedia of Islam (which inexplicably talks about Christian seminaries in Tiflis in some detail! Available on the Wikipedia library if you want to check.). More generally, "Spiritual" is an awkward, literal translation that isn't that accurate to idiomatic English usage. It's a seminary for learning theology, not a monastery. There are a few sources that use "Spiritual" in GBooks (
[24]), but they drop off the front page quickly from ~5 or so hits, and many are books written in the past decade when the Wikipedia article was at "spiritual" and may have simply trusted the Wikipedia usage. One complication is that the institution is most notable when the city was known as "Tiflis" in the 19th and early 20th centuries, and the article was originally created under the "Tiflis" name in 2013. Given that there is a successor institution, it seems reasonable to use the modern name of the successor institution, though, even if there's fewer sources on the contemporary era. But I wouldn't be totally opposed to "Tiflis Theological Seminary" as a backup option.
SnowFire (
talk) 17:12, 15 April 2024 (UTC)reply
(
Discuss) – This Summer (Squeeze song) →
This Summer – Since this just
got kept at AfD, this is the next move. The other This Summer, the Alessia Cara EP, I found unquestionably non-notable and
redirected a week ago. Since nobody's questioned that decision yet, and I still stand by it, it seems fair to call this PTOPIC. Target can either be deleted and converted to hatnotes or moved to
This Summer (disambiguation). The latter might be preferable since there are two other entries in the see also section, though a hatnote for all three might not be unreasonable. I'm fine either way.
QuietHere (
talk |
contributions) 16:36, 15 April 2024 (UTC)reply
(
Discuss) – Lee Jun-seok → Lee Junseok – Lee uses the name Lee Junseok in all official documents.His Harvard University graduate's name is also Junseok. Additionally, the revised Korean romanization system recommends not using spaces between given names.
Ehgud2077 (
talk) 07:28, 15 April 2024 (UTC)reply
(
Discuss) – 2024 Iranian strikes in Israel → ? – The previous discussion was on moving 'Strikes' to 'strike' version, and it was speedy closed by me as there is a speedy consensus on that matter. However, what had been raised in that discussion is which proposition to be used in the article title. : The previous discussion was moving "Strikes" to "strikes", rather than to "strike", I believe? I mention this because there may be further strikes by Iran on Israel later in the year, and it's not clear whether this article would include those, or if they would get their own articles. I think clearest would be to include the full date, so this article is specifically about the missile and drone attack on the one day, which I think would be 14 April 2024 (starting in the early morning hours local time).
Warren Dew (
talk) 05:23, 15 April 2024 (UTC)reply
(
Discuss) – Arthur Morgan (Red Dead) →
Arthur Morgan – I checked every existing "Arthur Morgan" article page views, but obviously this fictional character page views is way too far compare from the others. And when you look up Arthur Morgan, of course the fictional character is more well known than others.
Greenish Pickle! (
🔔) 05:22, 15 April 2024 (UTC)reply
(
Discuss) – Nihon Shōgakkō fire →
Japanese mission school fire – per
WP:USEENGLISH, even in article it's stated 'English-language newspapers covering the incident in 1923 usually called it the Japanese mission school fire or the Buddhist mission fire.'. The article title appears to be just the school's old Japanese name given from the website with 'fire' added to it - there is no evidence of 'Nihon Shōgakkō fire' that doesn't appear to be
WP:CIRCULAR, I also couldn't find any evidence of the presumable Japanese translation of the title.
Traumnovelle (
talk) 00:32, 15 April 2024 (UTC)reply
(
Discuss) – Milyang Park clan → Miryang Park clan – Per
WP:TITLECON &
WP:COMMONNAME, the article name should be the Miryang Park clan. Other Korean clans from Miryang, such as the
Miryang No clan and the
Miryang Dang clan are also titled this way instead of the Milyang variant. The current article title seems to be at its current location based on it being an
WP:OFFICIALNAME, however the example cited is based on the url of the Korean-language website of this clan. There are no other indicators on this website that contain the English term "Milyang Park". The term "Miryang Park" or its variants is also used by a variety of sources and appears to be the
WP:COMMON NAME: The Korea Times
[1][2], the Christian Science Monitor
[3], this research paper from the Journal of People Plants and Environment
[4], this research paper from the Korean Anthropology Review
[5], and A History of Korea: From Antiquity to the Present[6].
⁂CountHacker (
talk) 23:31, 14 April 2024 (UTC)reply
(
Discuss) – Lapinjärvi (village) → Lapinjärven kirkonkylä – All of these articles about Finnish church villages begin with The X church village (also known as X; Finnish: X:n kirkonkylä, Swedish: X Kapellby), where X is the name of the municipality. However, there are no references to establish "also known as X" part and the current article names. The official Finnish name of each village is either X:n kirkonkylä or an ambiguous Kirkonkylä (which makes total sense locally). I also did not find an established translation for kirkonkylä (the literal 'church village' is not found in many sources), which is why I am suggesting to use the Finnish name for each village.
Jähmefyysikko (
talk) 14:45, 14 April 2024 (UTC)reply
(
Discuss) – Cumnock (original) railway station → Old Cumnock railway station – I've been tidying up disambiguation for former railway stations in Scotland per
WP:UKSTATIONDAB and I'm not 100% sure what the best solution is for these two stations. The first was a Glasgow, Paisley, Kilmarnock and Ayr Railway station opened as Old Cumnock in 1850, renamed to Cumnock in 1955 and closed in 1965. The second was a Glasgow and South Western Railway station that was only ever known as Cumnock, opened in 1872 and closed in 1951. I feel the natural disambiguation (using Old Cumnock and Cumnock) works best as there was only a brief period where the first station was known as Cumnock and they had different names when they were both in operation. The other options for disambiguation don't really work either as they are both in the same town and they were both run by the same company as the Glasgow, Paisley, Kilmarnock and Ayr Railway became the Glasgow and South Western Railway shortly after the first station opened. The current naming pattern doesn't work with the policy so they will have to move, I don't know what the disambiguation for the second station should be though as their is also a Cumnock railway station in Australia and
Cumnock railway station needs to be a dab page.
Stevie fae Scotland (
talk) 10:47, 14 April 2024 (UTC)reply
(
Discuss) – Nigerien crisis (2023–present) →
Nigerien crisis (2023–2024) – Some discussion topics on this talk page seem to agree that the crisis is over, hence this request to move the page title. ECOWAS withdrew sanctions and France withdrew troops, there seem to be no "original crisis" still present.
Yxuibs (
talk) 03:00, 14 April 2024 (UTC)reply
(
Discuss) – S.T.S. →
S.T.S. (band) – Whether an abbreviation is spelled with a terminal period or not is a triviality. In all of these cases the title without the terminal period redirects somewhere else, so the title with the period should do the same.
* Pppery *it has begun... 21:50, 13 April 2024 (UTC)reply
(
Discuss) – Postmodernism (international relations) →
Poststructuralism (international relations) – The current (9th, 2023) edition of the only source cited in this stub discusses this topic under the heading of "poststructuralism", with "postmodernism" being mentioned only as a loose synonym in a box on p. 183. (In the absence of additional sources supporting this being a real sub-field of international relations, I would also support deletion rather than renaming. However this is outside my area of expertise.)
Patrick J. Welsh (
talk) 19:00, 13 April 2024 (UTC)reply
(
Discuss) – Vi vil oss et land... →
Vi vil oss et land... (film) – A series of titles with ellpises where the primary topic for the name without the ellipses could reasonably be referred to with ellipses and hence they fail to disambiguate at all. In particular: *
Vi vil oss et land is the beginning of a poem - the ellipses could refer to the rest of the poem *
Canta y no llores is part of the lyrics of a song - the ellipses could refer to the rest of the lyrrics *
A Man Walks Into a Bar is the beginning of a joke - the ellipses could refer to the rest of the joke *
Yes, Virginia redirects to
Yes, Virginia, there is a Santa Claus, a newspaper editorial. The ellipses could refer to either "there is a Santa Claus" or the entire rest of the article *
There Was a Crooked Man is the first line of a nursery rhyme - the ellipses could refer to the rest of the nursery rhyme. Disambiguate both films by year in the spirit of
WP:PRIMARYFILM* Pppery *it has begun... 16:50, 13 April 2024 (UTC)reply
(
Discuss) – Ravi Gulati →
Ravi Gulati (activist) – With all due respect, the EastEnders character is simply more well-known. When searched, the vast majority of the results are related to the fictional character, even on searches like "Ravi Gulati activist". This is also reflected in the "References" headings for both, with the real person having only three cited sources. In this case,
Ravi Gulati (EastEnders) would also be a redirect. As a plan B,
Ravi Gulati could be a disambiguation page, but I think is unnecessary as the character is significantly better documented.
FishLoveHam (
talk) 15:46, 13 April 2024 (UTC)reply
(
Discuss) – London Country South East → Kentish Bus – This is the common name used by the operator since 1987.[4] Considering the operator was founded in 1986 - the article lead references that, too - I don't think it makes a lot of sense to use an anachronistic name used for only one year as the page title.
Hullian111 (
talk) 14:23, 13 April 2024 (UTC)reply
(
Discuss) – Samajbadi Morcha, Nepal → Socialist Front (Nepal) – I see no evidence that the current title is used more than Socialist Front. In fact, when I googled it pretty much every result used Samajwadi Morcha which could also be the common name.
Charles Essie (
talk) 17:26, 5 April 2024 (UTC) — Relisting.Anarchyte (
talk) 07:25, 13 April 2024 (UTC)reply
(
Discuss) – 2024 Mozambique boat disaster → ? – Mozambique is quite a big place. Surely we can get more specific. I am not familiar with the region, however, and will let more informed editors decide on a new name.
Bremps... 03:40, 13 April 2024 (UTC)reply
(
Discuss) – Polish–Muscovite Wars (1605–1618) → Polish–Russian War (1605–1618) – The term "Muscovy" is not quite correct in the context of historical events. After the establishment of a unified centralized authority, the country called itself the Tsardom of Russia, not Muscovy. Such a name was relevant only during the times when Moscow existed independently, but the formation of the Tsardom of Russia happened long before the war. This can also confuse the reader since the article refers to Tsardom of Russia, which uses a different designation. Additionally, it should be clarified that this term was often used by the Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth during the conflict between it and the Tsardom of Russia for propaganda purposes, as the term clearly implies feudal fragmentation of the state. Nowadays, the term is also used as a derogatory term towards Russia -
https://www.svoboda.org/a/ukraina-moskoviya-i-drugie-yaroslav-shimov-o-borjbe-za-vostok-evropy/32330846.html,
https://www.pravda.com.ua/rus/news/2022/11/29/7378557/.
PawelSULKUL (
talk) 21:47, 12 April 2024 (UTC)reply
(
Discuss) – France Olympic football team → France national under-23 football team – Per
WP:COMMONNAME: sources are referring to this team as the France U23s (
see FFF source.) Also, like in most cases, the "general name" of the team is the under-23s, which "takes the place" of the Olympic team at the Olympics. This is the more general name in that the team also competes in friendly matches outside of the Olympics. And again COMMONNAME.
Paul Vaurie (
talk) 22:28, 26 March 2024 (UTC) — Relisting.Bensci54 (
talk) 17:02, 11 April 2024 (UTC)reply
(
Discuss) – Kalolaa-kumukoa → Kalola-a-Kumukoa – Inline with the few reliable sources on the subject. *In the source (Esther T. Mookini "Keopuolani: Sacred Wife, Queen Mother, 1778-1823", p. 10) used Kalolaakumukoa not Kalolaa-kumukoa, with a break in the line on the page. The hyphen is used to connect the two parts of the name. See the
pdf Kalola-a-Kumukoa in some variation is used in: Kamakau's Ruling Chiefs of Hawaii, p.
476; Edith Kawelohea McKinzie's Hawaiian Genealogies: Extracted from Hawaiian Language Newspapers, Vol. 2, p. 13, Kapiikauinamoku's (Sammy Amalu) Story of Maui Royalty [The story of Maui royalty — Ulukau books link], and this newspaper article by Robert W. Wilcox [Robert Wilcox sounds off, 1898. | nupepa (nupepa-hawaii.com) link].
KAVEBEAR (
talk) 04:51, 2 April 2024 (UTC) — Relisting.Bensci54 (
talk) 16:36, 11 April 2024 (UTC)reply
(
Discuss) – Legal status of fictional pornography depicting minors → Legal status of fictional child pornography – I am making a move request as
User:EggRoll97 has reverted my move using with the basis of
WP:RMUM. According to
WP:RMUM; Autoconfirmed editors may move a page without discussion if all of the following apply: No article exists at the new target title; 'There has been no previous discussion about the title of the page that expressed any objection to a new title; and It seems unlikely that anyone would reasonably disagree with the move.' & 'If you disagree with a prior bold move, and the new title has not been in place for a long time, you may revert the move yourself.' My move was done on the basis of
WP:CONCISE &
WP:PRECISE, as 'child pornography' is much shorter and more concise than 'pornography depicting minors', & the page for
Child pornography is not titled '
Pornography depicting minors', or maybe rename it to 'Legal status of
simulated child pornography', To fit with the aforementioned article. Why would you object to this?
Formerlychucks (
talk) 11:35, 19 March 2024 (UTC) — Relisting.Natg 19 (
talk) 16:37, 28 March 2024 (UTC) — Relisting.– robertsky (
talk) 11:25, 7 April 2024 (UTC)reply
(
Discuss) – Vincent Lee Chuan Leong →
1999 Singapore kidnapping case – The current title is effectively
WP:BLP1E and
WP:BLPCRIME. "Kidnapping of X" may not work given that the victim's name is generally not available outside, and even if so, we should generally avoid naming the victim here was 14yo when it happened. The proposed title is a descriptive one, and if there is a better alternative title, I am amenable to the proposed title as well.
– robertsky (
talk) 14:31, 22 March 2024 (UTC) — Relisting.asilvering (
talk) 22:48, 29 March 2024 (UTC) — Relisting.BilledMammal (
talk) 04:23, 7 April 2024 (UTC)reply
(
Discuss) – Francis, Duke of Guise → François, Duke of Guise – Requesting move of these articles per WP:COMMONNAME. I will begin my argument with ngrams, even though I find them largely overcrowded by noise. Please see
[33][34][35][36] Moving beyond ngrams, my argument revolves around the English literature that focuses on the family, the era of the Italian Wars, and the era French Wars of Religion, both areas of which they played a central role in and are therefore not an incidental mention in. Stuart Carroll (2011) Martyr's and Murderers: The Guise Family and the Making of Europe, is the most recent English language biography of the family - it refers to the second duke of Guise as François, his son the third duke as Henri and the fifth duke of Guise as Henri II (also the seventh duke of Guise as François-Joseph though that Wikipedia article is already at François-Joseph, so does not require changing.) The other recent English book which discusses them in the title is Mark Konnert's (2006) Local Politics in the French Wars of Religion: The Towns of Champagne, the duc de Guise and the Catholic League (1560-1595) - it refers to François, and Henri. I will now briefly survey English academics who have written on this area in the last couple of decades, and their various positions on the names. Gould (2006) = François; Roelker (1968) = François, Henri; Knecht (2014) = François, Henri; Diefendorf (1991) = François, Henri; Roberts (2013) = François, Henri; Sutherland (1962) = François, Henri; Tullchin (2012) = François, Henri; Roelker (1996) = François, Henri; Baumgartner (1986) = Henri; Harding (1978) = François, Henri; Heller (2003) = Henri; Potter (1997) = François, Henri; Carroll (2005) = François, Henri; Bernstein (2004) = Henri; Konnert (1997) = François, Henri; Benedict (2003) = François, Henri; Salmon (1979) = François, Henri; Shaw (2019) [only English language survey of the Italian Wars] = François; Pitts (2012) = François, Henri; Neuschel (1989) = François; Kingdon (1967) = François, Henri; Greengrass (1988) = François; Conner (2000) = François, Spangler (2016) = Henri Tingle (2006) is a little unusual, refers to François, and Henry; likewise Shimizu (1970) refers to Francis, and Henri Holt (2002) = Francis, Henry, he is the only French Wars of Religion era academic I am aware of who throughout all his works consistently calls them this way. Wood (2002) never refers to either duke by their first name.
sovietblobfish (
talk) 11:21, 13 March 2024 (UTC) — Relisting.Robertus Pius (
Talk •
Contribs) 19:24, 20 March 2024 (UTC) — Relisting.asilvering (
talk) 00:28, 30 March 2024 (UTC) — Relisting.BilledMammal (
talk) 04:21, 7 April 2024 (UTC)reply
(
Discuss) – Lady L →
Lady L (film) – For disambiguation. The film gets more pageviews but it was based on the novel so it's best to say no primary topic. In any event whether the initials have a period or not is trivial.
* Pppery *it has begun... 04:31, 22 March 2024 (UTC) — Relisting.– robertsky (
talk) 00:55, 31 March 2024 (UTC) — Relisting.BilledMammal (
talk) 02:53, 7 April 2024 (UTC)reply
(
Discuss) – Joint Light Tactical Vehicle →
Joint Light Tactical Vehicle competition – There are basically two extremely similar articles about the JLTV.
Actually three.
Joint Light Tactical Vehicle resembles an article about the development program, while
Oshkosh L-ATV is about the JLTV selected for production. There is enough content for two articles, but I would guess that most people searching for "JLTV" would expect to find an article about the production vehicle than the competition that produced it. Background: "L-ATV" was the marketing name for the truck originally designed by Oshkosh for the JLTV program, which Oshkosh won in 2015. Presumably Oshkosh did not wish to tie the vehicle's success to the JLTV program, and so branded it as Each branch of the U.S. military calls it the "JLTV". Oshkosh usually refers to the L-ATV as the JLTV, although
very occasionally Oshkosh will market a variant of the JLTV as an L-ATV on their own initiative. Here is a
press release where Oshkosh announces the sale of "JLTVs", not "L-ATVs", to European countries. AM General will take over production of the JLTV from Oshkosh at the end of the year. They will be calling their version the
JLTV A2. If this move is carried out there should be a section about the competition with a pointer to
Joint Light Tactical Vehicle competition.
Schierbecker (
talk) 02:44, 28 March 2024 (UTC) — Relisting.Bensci54 (
talk) 16:08, 4 April 2024 (UTC)reply
(
Discuss) – Polish–Ukrainian ethnic conflict →
Polish–Ukrainian relations (1939–1947) – The article's author was unable to demonstrate the source basis for the existence of a Polish-Ukrainian ethnic conflict in 1942-47; the very fact that he places the Polish anti-communist and pro-independence Freedom and Independence Association on the Ukrainian side demonstrates his poor grasp of the subject, but also, and above all, the inability to narrate the entire history solely through the optics of "ethnic conflict." For indeed, this is a misleading take. First, because it is difficult to define the actors. The Polish side is not homogeneous: there are many organizations, and the three main currents (the Home Army, the Nationalists and the Communists) had different attitudes toward the Ukrainian cause and did not pursue a uniform policy. Likewise, on the Ukrainian side, there is the OUN-M, OUN-B (and UPA), UCK collaborators, Bulbovets, Ukrainian Soviet partisans, Ukrainian SSR authorities, etc. Second, despite generally hostile relations, there were also periods of peace, attempts at agreement, and actual alliances. There is an entire book by Grzegorz Motyka and Rafał Wnuk on this subject: "Pany and rezuny. Cooperation of the AK-WiN and the UPA 1945-1947". Many Ukrainians served in the Polish army in 1939 and in the Polish armed forces in the west. Pavlo Shandruk cooperated with the Polish government in exile etc. These are things largely not currently described on Wikipedia. In the current situation, I see two choices: # due to the fact that the article is a translation from the Polish Wiki of the article under the title " Polish-Ukrainian partisan fighting", we can move it under this title and change the scope to describe the skirmishes between the two partisan movement. # or, as I suggest, move it under the title I proposed and describe the whole of Polish-Ukrainian relations during the war. I believe that such an article would be valuable and would be a " container" tying together all the topics currently described in isolation (the massacres of Poles in Volhynia, the Hrubieszów revolution, the WiN-UPA alliance, etc.).
Marcelus (
talk) 20:30, 14 March 2024 (UTC) — Relisting.– robertsky (
talk) 02:04, 23 March 2024 (UTC) — Relisting.NW1223<
Howl at me•
My hunts> 19:04, 30 March 2024 (UTC)reply
(
Discuss) – Anarchist St. Imier International → Anti-Authoritarian International – In my experience, the term "Anti-Authoritarian International" appears to be the
common name for this organisation in historical sources.
[38] I rarely see it referred to as the "Anarchist International", as the term "anarchist" wasn't even formally adopted by members of the organisation until after it had already collapsed (see Graham 2019, p. 339). But we do know that they referred to themselves as "anti-authoritarians", in order to distance themselves from the Marxist International.
Grnrchst (
talk) 11:22, 19 March 2024 (UTC) — Relisting.Natg 19 (
talk) 16:38, 28 March 2024 (UTC)reply
(
Discuss) – Genital modification and mutilation → Genital modification – Fails
WP: CRITERIA. 1.) It lacks precision, as it encompasses related but dissimilar topics, often being misinterpreted by users to mean that all genital modifications listed on the page are mutilations. 2.) It fails the criteria of concision. As all genital mutilations are forms of genital modifications, genital modification would suffice. (e.g. It is like if a page was termed "List of dogs and bulldogs" instead of "List of dogs") 3.) It fails the criteria of neutrality, as it implies to readers (problematically) that
gender-affirming surgery,
labiaplasty,
circumcision, and
pearling are mutilation. It also associates "modification" with exclusively negative changes. To make it meet
WP: NPOV, you'd have to add "enhancement" or another positive term, a proposal that would further fail the criteria of concision. 4.) The title goes against article precedents surrounding
body modification articles. All of which leave out titles that give positive or negative personal judgements.
KlayCax (
talk) 03:30, 26 February 2024 (UTC) — Relisting.estar8806 (
talk)
★ 13:09, 28 March 2024 (UTC)reply
(
Discuss) – Novogrudok → Navahrudak – Belarusian is the native language of Belarus, so the name should be transliterated from that native language. --
W (
talk) 13:06, 6 March 2024 (UTC) — Relisting.Natg 19 (
talk) 17:25, 27 March 2024 (UTC)reply
When the subject of an article is referred to mainly by a single common name, as evidenced through usage in a significant majority of English-language sources, Wikipedia generally follows the sources and uses that name as its article title (subject to the other naming criteria). Sometimes that common name includes non-neutral words that Wikipedia normally avoids (e.g. Alexander the Great, or the Teapot Dome scandal). In such cases, the prevalence of the name, or the fact that a given description has effectively become a proper name (and that proper name has become the common name), generally overrides concern that Wikipedia might appear as endorsing one side of an issue. An article title with non-neutral terms cannot simply be a name commonly used in the past; it must be the common name in current use.
(
Discuss) – Fremantle Football Club → Fremantle Dockers – Discussing titles for the
new Tasmanian team has me thinking about how our AFL clubs' articles are named – in my view, they're not up to scratch with
modern titling policy. For context, of the 18 AFL clubs,
Gold Coast Suns,
Greater Western Sydney Giants,
Sydney Swans,
West Coast Eagles and
Western Bulldogs currently use the "[location] [mascot]" combo, with the other 13 currently at "[location] Football Club". In my view, we should be using the "[location] [mascot]" combination more often, if not in all cases, because it is more concise, recognisable and is used more often by our sources. Past justifications for using "[location] Football Club" have tended to rest on the idea that articles should use whatever the club's official name is, which is
not necessarily true. Aside from this general rationale, some points specific to Fremantle: *Clubs that have acquired their current name after the 1980s – Sydney (relocated 1982), West Coast (entered 1987), Western Bulldogs (rebranded 1996), Gold Coast (entered 2011) and GWS (entered 2012) – all use "[location] [mascot]". The exception is Adelaide (entered 1991, title is "Adelaide Football Club") but their article also probably needs to be moved. Because Fremantle entered in 1995, using "[location] [mascot]" is especially consistent with the more recent clubs tending to use this format. *Many third-party sources use "Fremantle Dockers":
PerthNow,
Fox,
The West,
ZeroHanger,
Nine,
Seven,
The RoarSydney Morning Herald,
ABC. I'm not exactly going to say "Fremantle Dockers" is the
WP:COMMONNAME, because the actual COMMONNAME is probably just "Fremantle" or "the Dockers", but those names aren't suitable options. *Fremantle consistently use "Dockers" over "Football Club" in their own branding. It's on their logo, their social media accounts, their official app and so on. *"Dockers" is consistent across time. During their time in the AFL, Fremantle have never been known by a name other than the Dockers. *"Dockers" is consistent across teams. There's no reserves or AFLW team using a different name. And some other notes: *This move request is intended as a warm-up to gauge community sentiment and avoid changing too much at once, not to suggest Fremantle is the only club that needs their article moved. *If this move request succeeds, associated articles with "Fremantle Football Club" in their title (e.g.
List of Fremantle Football Club players) should be moved to the equivalent title with "Fremantle Dockers". –
Teratix₵ 08:41, 12 March 2024 (UTC) — Relisting. —
Amakuru (
talk) 14:24, 21 March 2024 (UTC)reply
Do not use hypothetical, dissolved or defunct titles, including pretenders (real or hypothetical), unless this is what the majority of reliable sources use.
(
Discuss) – Sarukhan, Bey of Magnesia → Saruhan – Already redirects here. Else, it can be Saruhan Bey or something similar, because this is the only person with the name on Wikipedia if I'm not mistaken. Magnesia is only a settlement, and he and his descendants ruled a region, more than just one town. So, "Magnesia" should definitely be removed in some way.
Aintabli (
talk) 01:55, 9 March 2024 (UTC) — Relisting.asilvering (
talk) 05:01, 16 March 2024 (UTC)reply
(
Discuss) – Frederik IX of Denmark → Frederik IX – He's the only monarch with this exact name, so we should move per
WP:PRECISE, and the move will make the article title consistent with his daughter and now his grandson, whose name is spelled without the C.
Векочел (
talk) 01:56, 15 January 2024 (UTC)reply Note: A mistake on my part in saying Frederik IX was the only monarch with this name. He is the only king with this exact name.Векочел (
talk) 09:21, 15 January 2024 (UTC) — Relisting.FOARP (
talk) 14:36, 15 February 2024 (UTC)reply
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@
CountHackerWP:NCKO says to use go with the common usage in English sources. The two English sources in the article (Reuters and NYTimes) both use "Yoon Gwan". Of course, that said, Google ngrams doesn't even have data for anything other than Yun Kwan. --
Ahecht (
TALK PAGE) 20:51, 22 April 2024 (UTC)reply
Did you try searching in Google Books? There are plenty of hits for Yun Kwan there. As seen here:
[1],
[2][3],
[4],
[5],
[6].
WP:NCKO states that if there is an established common name, it should be used. However, in this case, there is no established common name, so the McCune-Reischauer Romanization should be used.
⁂CountHacker (
talk) 01:33, 23 April 2024 (UTC)reply
Per
David Stewart (footballer, born 1869) and some other examples at the
David Stewart disambig page, I believe the next option here would be David Stewart (producer, born XXXX). Unfortunately his year of birth is not given in the article (or in
his father's article) and I can't find it in any reliable source. ---DOOMSDAYER520 (
TALK|
CONTRIBS) 13:06, 22 April 2024 (UTC)reply
I recommend updating the reference to Dave Stewart (Eurythmics) to either Dave Stewart (English musician, born 1952) or simply Dave Stewart (musician, born 1952). This ensures clear disambiguation, as Dave Stewart's birthdate cannot be verified, leaving only the producer disambiguation.
Btspurplegalaxy💬🖊️ 14:34, 22 April 2024 (UTC)reply
@
Btspurplegalaxy, @
Doomsdayer520: possible to slide this under
WP:ABOUTSELF:
David Stewart (English producer, born 1989)? He had been wishing himself happy birthday on his social
32 in 2021, and
33 in 2022 around December each year, and his sister had referred to him has her older brother by five years in various interviews
in 2022 and
in 2017. She's born in Jan 1995, while if his socials are right, Dec 1989. While we tend to go by calendar year for age calculation, their natural age difference is 5 years and 1-2 months apart. Anecdotally, I have known of Dec-Jan siblings counting it this way as well.
– robertsky (
talk) 16:57, 22 April 2024 (UTC)reply
This feels a bit too OR-y for my taste. And in any event as the current title resulted from a seven-day move discussion any new moves would need one as well.
* Pppery *it has begun... 17:57, 22 April 2024 (UTC)reply
@
Robertsky: It seems that there is some debate about this, and the closure of the RM
[7] may have been premature. I urge you to consider undoing the close and relisting.
162 etc. (
talk) 18:37, 22 April 2024 (UTC)reply
@
GuardianH: As this was subject to a previous move discussion, as well as several moves, it is not eligible as a technical request.
Station1 (
talk) 18:55, 18 April 2024 (UTC)reply
@
MrMkG I don't know too much about how Indian names/titles work, but only one of the sources in the article uses Bhanwar Jitendra Singh, while most just Jitendra Singh or Shri Jitendra Singh seem more common. --
Ahecht (
TALK PAGE) 14:48, 18 April 2024 (UTC)reply
It's like a first first name, if that makes sense. Some people have it. Shri is a honorific like Mister. Only two of the sources in the article are independent news sources and Bhanwar is used by one of them. News sources commonly use Bhanwar so that he doesn't get confused with another Jitendra Singh who is an active politician. Even if it were less used which it isn't, it would still be more accessible without the disambiguation (who knows birth years?).
MrMkG (
talk) 22:17, 18 April 2024 (UTC)reply
I think this might benefit from a discussion, just to be on the safe size. It's almost always referred to in the plural, so could be an exception to WP:SINGULAR. —
Amakuru (
talk) 09:36, 19 April 2024 (UTC)reply
I have no objection to discussion if that is the case, but the first instance I saw was
Assize of Clarendon, which then brought me to the general topic. —
Ost (
talk) 16:47, 19 April 2024 (UTC)reply
MSA is the standard and common name; Modern Arabic contains various variations. '''[[User:CanonNi]]''' (
talk|
contribs) 12:47, 21 April 2024 (UTC)reply
No, but it is not standard. Normative means that it takes a standard for deducing rules, but this is not true. Classical Arabic is the one that takes a standard for rules.
أرمز (
talk) 13:16, 21 April 2024 (UTC)reply
If you want something from me, please tag me. I am on the Arabic Wikipedia + I am not fluent in English. Please search carefully to verify my words.
أرمز (
talk) 20:20, 21 April 2024 (UTC)reply
@
أرمز: This move is
potentially controversial, so it would require a requested-move discussion, which you can begin by clicking "discuss" on your request. You can remove this request after opening a discussion (or if you do not want to continue).
SilverLocust💬 23:21, 21 April 2024 (UTC)reply
Where do I place the request?
أرمز (
talk) 04:53, 22 April 2024 (UTC)reply
The previous version went through an
AfD and was closed as redirect in November 2023. Please go through AfC for a closer evaluation by AfC reviewers.
– robertsky (
talk) 15:35, 22 April 2024 (UTC)reply
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(
Discuss) – İskenderun → Iskenderun – According to
Ngram, Iskenderun is a much more common spelling. I was unable to differentiate the spelling on Google Scholar. However, Iskenderun appears to be more common among the foremost publications there:
[8] (Even more common when Turkish sources are discounted.) Iskenderun also uses letters found in the English alphabet:
WP:ENGLISHAintabli (
talk) 23:45, 22 April 2024 (UTC)reply
(
Discuss) – Rei Hance → Heather Donahue – This article was moved to 'Rei Hance' without any discussion, and I believe that it should be moved back to the subject's prior name per
WP:COMMONNAME and
WP:SPNC-- this seems much more analogous to the
Cat Stevens/Yusuf Islam example. The subject is only notable for her acting work as Heather Donahue, with the name change coming after retirement and she hasn't had any new work to warrant notability under her new name.
Shivertimbers433 (
talk) 22:56, 22 April 2024 (UTC)reply
(
Discuss) – Apple → Apple (fruit) – Heya, I have serval reasons arguing that there is
no primary topic, let’s get into it. We’re gonna abide by
WP:PTOPIC, which reads as follows: 1. A topic is primary for a term with respect to usage if it is highly likely—much more likely than any other single topic, and more likely than all the other topics combined—to be the topic sought when a reader searches for that term. As evident by
page view statistics,
strong popularity and usage of iPhone services and products,
the trillion-dollar company is the most likely topic that Wikipedia readers will look for. But wait, there also exists the second point: 2. A topic is primary for a term with respect to long-term significance if it has substantially greater enduring notability and educational value than any other topic associated with that term.Apples have huge symbolism in historical mythology, human consumption, and cultural influence. In contemporary times, both the corporation and the fruit are widely recognized and significant. I say neither topic deserves merit as a primary topic, who’s with me?
DS537(WIR) 21:16, 22 April 2024 (UTC)reply
(
Discuss) – 2022–2023 mpox outbreak →
Global mpox outbreak – Please see the previous two brief headings on this page. The global outbreak did not actually end in 2023 (see also
[9]), and it is more properly described as the global outbreak to distinguish it from outbreaks in previously endemic regions. There is no need for naming specific years in the title; other disease outbreak/epidemic articles do not do this. Crossroads-talk- 18:48, 22 April 2024 (UTC)reply
(
Discuss) – Prince Christian of Hanover → Christian von Hannover – Per
WP:NCROY and the outcome of past discussions in exceedingly similar cases:
1 and
2. There are no princes of Hanover born post 1918; the correct response to the request
here should have been to move the two mis-titled sibling pages, not this one.
JBL (
talk) 17:28, 22 April 2024 (UTC)reply
(
Discuss) – Prince Ernst August of Hanover (born 1983) → Ernst August von Hannover (born 1983) – In Germany titles of royals and nobles were abolished in 1919 and are not recognised today by Germany which is a republic. The convention in
WP:NCROY states: "Do not use hypothetical, dissolved or defunct titles, including pretenders (real or hypothetical), unless this is what the majority of reliable sources use." Therefore I do not believe Prince should be used in the title Regarding the surname - "of Hanover" is a translation of his surname "von Hannover". Names and surnames should not be translated. We don't do it for other German surnames and I don't see why we should do it here.
D1551D3N7 (
talk) 17:08, 22 April 2024 (UTC)reply
(
Discuss) – Convention Centre Precinct →
Te Pae – As per the discussion above, there is a case for this article to be renamed. The question is: what should the new name be? You can read my contribution above and I have a slight preference for "Te Pae" as it's what The Press uses most commonly, and they would be the one who write about this facility most regularly. This name is also the most
WP:PRECISE. That said, I won't mind if this lands on any of the longer name options. Schwede66 22:12, 14 April 2024 (UTC) — Relisting.Wikiexplorationandhelping (
talk) 14:46, 22 April 2024 (UTC)reply
(
Discuss) – 2024 Ju County attack →
2024 Ju County massacre – I've just renamed this article, adding the year (2024) into the start of the article, but I'm not sure if it's the best. I personally see how this could be a massacre rather than merely an attack considering how attacks with fewer casualties were referred to a "massacre" (examples:
Columbine High School massacre and
Munich massacre). Really what is a massacre as per common name isn't very stringently defined, and I'd like to start a discussion as to whether this constitutes as a massacre or not, and which specific noun should be used as this article's title.
Josethewikier (
talk) 14:38, 22 April 2024 (UTC)reply
(
Discuss) – Callum "Halfway" Highway → Callum Highway – With all due respect, he hasn't been called "Halfway" in a long time. He is no longer credited as such and most news sources published within the last few years just call him Callum Highway. The show itself acknowledged that nobody really calls him Halfway anymore so I was just wondering if it was time for a move. Thanks!
FishLoveHam (
talk) 08:43, 22 April 2024 (UTC)reply
(
Discuss) – South Africa v. Israel (Genocide Convention) → South Africa v. Israel – The "(Genocide Convention)" part of the name is not necessary since there is no other notable legal case filed by South Africa against Israel.
Officially, the title of the case is Application of the Convention on the Prevention and Punishment of the Crime of Genocide in the Gaza Strip (South Africa v. Israel), so this South Africa v. Israel (Genocide Convention) name doesn't appear to have any official status, it seems to be just nomenclature Wikipedia editors have invented. Per the article title policy, we don't use disambiguating parentheses unless it is necessary to disambiguate with another article (there isn't one), or there is some other strong reason to do it (which there isn't either).
SomethingForDeletion (
talk) 07:44, 22 April 2024 (UTC)reply
(
Discuss) – Currents (Tame Impala album) → Currents (album) – There are only two other albums mentioned on the
disambiguation page titled Currents: the
In Vain album is a redirect, which leaves us the
Eisley album, in which, even going back to July 2015, the Tame Impala album overweighs it in pageviews by a ratio of
almost 90:1. This, along with its numerous accolades and certifications, and also the fact that it continues to make Billboard year-end charts years later, makes this seem like a clear
WP:PDABPRIMARY.
LoTrWiki (
talk) 23:15, 21 April 2024 (UTC)reply
(
Discuss) – John McKay Jr. → J. K. McKay – McKay was known throughout his professional career by his initials, not by the junior suffix.
APM (
talk) 14:38, 21 April 2024 (UTC) This is a contested technical request (
permalink).
162 etc. (
talk) 16:48, 21 April 2024 (UTC)reply
(
Discuss) – Dave Finlay Sr. →
Dave Finlay (wrestling coach) – While his background is in professional wrestling, his recent acceptance of an MBE relates to Olympic wrestling. It may also differentiate him from his son Fit Finlay, who has since become known for his role in women's professional wrestling.
APM (
talk) 14:38, 21 April 2024 (UTC) This is a contested technical request (
permalink).
162 etc. (
talk) 16:47, 21 April 2024 (UTC)reply
(
Discuss) – Stan Seymour Jr. →
Stan Seymour (football chairman) – His occupation might be a better disambiguator here, as it has never been clear whether he had the exact same name as his father. For context, he did not become a footballer like his father, but he was Newcastle United's chairman in the 1980s. The press called him Stan Seymour Jr anyway.
APM (
talk) 14:38, 21 April 2024 (UTC) This is a contested technical request (
permalink).
162 etc. (
talk) 16:47, 21 April 2024 (UTC)reply
(
Discuss) – Muhammad al-Bukhari → Al-Bukhari – This is simply the most famous al-Bukhari.
Al-Bukhari even redirects here. This is common with Arabic nisbas where strictly speaking, there's a lot of people who share a portion of the fullest version of the name, so we just follow the
WP:RS sources for the short form used. Such as his student,
al-Tirmidhi (not Muhammad al-Tirmidhi),
al-Tabari (not Muhammad al-Tabari),
al-Nasa'i (not Ahmad al-Nasa'i) etc. "Bukhari" without the Arabic definite article can be a disambiguation, though al-Bukhari is clearly
WP:COMMONNAME per this figure.
Aqsian313 (
talk) 20:35, 14 April 2024 (UTC) Sockstrike☿
Apaugasma (
talk☉) 14:51, 21 April 2024 (UTC)reply
(
Discuss) – Yol →
Yol (film) – Yet another disambiguation page with no primary topic. Based on pageview data,
Yol (the film) does seem to actually be the top choice, but the combined notability of the other topics still seems to overcome it.
Duckmather (
talk) 04:48, 21 April 2024 (UTC)reply
(
Discuss) – Aerosol paint → Spray paint – "Spray paint" is currently a redirect to this article, but based on [WP:COMMONNAME]] it seems it would make more sense for "spray paint" to be the name of the article, as that is the name used in almost all the references used.
-- NotCharizard🗨 04:07, 21 April 2024 (UTC)reply
(
Discuss) – Bailiff Byrd → Petri Hawkins-Byrd – His full name is very well known. A google search gives as many hits for his full name as for Bailiff Byrd. Therefor I think we shall use his full name.
DrKilleMoff (
talk) 21:19, 19 April 2024 (UTC)reply
(
Discuss) – Ira Robbins (disambiguation) → Ira Robbins – The current target is a redirect to a magazine, as Robbins (the founder of that magazine) does not have a main article. No primary topic for this name.
Natg 19 (
talk) 17:22, 19 April 2024 (UTC)reply
(
Discuss) – Kyle Hamilton (American football) →
Kyle Hamilton – The current page for "Kyle Hamilton" is a disambiguation page with only two people, the football player, and a rower of the same name. The football player averages 249 out of 254 daily page views across the three pages, and 98.6% of all pageviews since the beginning of April, despite the NFL not being in season. The football player should have the base, non-disambiguated name, and move the disambiguation page to "Kyle Hamilton (disambiguation)".
Debartolo2917 (
talk) 15:45, 19 April 2024 (UTC) This is a contested technical request (
permalink).
microbiologyMarcuspetri dish·
growths 17:16, 19 April 2024 (UTC)reply
(
Discuss) – Karkat →
Karkat, Afghanistan – No one (or very close to no one) is going to look up "Karkat" expecting to find info about a random village in Afghanistan. The primary topic for "Karkat" seems to clearly be
Karkat Vantas, but since
Karkat still gets more views somehow (maybe this is because the page
Karkat Vantas is only a redirect?), I think disambiguating the base title would be better. (As an aside, if we were to confer upon Karkat Vantas primary topic status, then this RM would just be moving
Karkat to
Karkat, Afghanistan and then retargeting the redirect.)
Duckmather (
talk) 16:18, 19 April 2024 (UTC)reply
(
Discuss) – Patricia Quinn → Patricia Quinn (disambiguation) – I suggest that the British actress is the primary topic. She does have a fairly lengthy career, including important parts in two very well-known productions, "The Rocky Horror Picture Show" and "I, Claudius". The other two are not quite on this scale. (This also avoids the problem of whether we should call her a British actress when she comes from Belfast.)
PatGallacher (
talk) 14:46, 19 April 2024 (UTC)reply
(
Discuss) – Lucent → Lucent Technologies – Usually I am more in favour of shorter names, but in this case I think that the longer name is better. Lucent used "Technologies" in their logo. And it makes it more clear it is about a technology company.
PhotographyEdits (
talk) 13:38, 19 April 2024 (UTC)reply
(
Discuss) – Hamme → Hamme, Belgium – I had disambiguated this recently, and
Talk:Hamme (disambiguation) contains a pretty good explanation based on data on why there is no primary topic by usage. User Fram reverted this move now, just as I was typing the most recent reply in that discussion. I suppose it's better to have a formal RM to gather more community input. Fundamentally, we do not have much reason to believe that the term "Hamme" is strongly associated by the average English reader with the Belgian location, and a simple disambiguation list is the easy and reliable solution here. With regard to long-term significance, it's not clear that the town would come even close to overshadowing the other homonyms, which include a river in Germany and another settlement there.
Joy (
talk) 16:41, 10 April 2024 (UTC) — Relisting.Extraordinary Writ (
talk) 07:52, 19 April 2024 (UTC)reply
(
Discuss) – 2024 Israeli strikes on Iran → 2024 Israeli strikes in Isfahan – This is a retaliation to a retaliation, but that article was not named as a retaliation. So the same should apply here, and it would get more confusing if Iran retaliates to this attack. It would be weird to call such article a retaliation to a retaliation to a retaliation, this hasn't been done before.
Bigfatman8766 (
talk) 05:14, 19 April 2024 (UTC)reply
(
Discuss) – Shake Your Moneymaker → Shake Your Money Maker – Although the song is sometimes spelled with a spaced "Money Maker", mostly in covers, all instances of "Shake Your Moneymaker", unspaced, refer to the song, as that was the spelling used on the original Elmore James version. So, per
WP:SMALLDIFFS and
WP:CONCISE, this title should be that of the song article, and the dab title should have a space.
Mach61 23:38, 18 April 2024 (UTC)reply
(
Discuss) – Ecclesiastical polity → Church polity – Concision and recognizability. "Church" and "ecclesiastical" are exactly equivalent, but "church" is a more common term to the average user. According to
Ngram, the two phrases are now roughly as common as one another, though "ecclesiastical" is more historically prevalent.
Dirkwillems (
talk) 00:18, 11 April 2024 (UTC) — Relisting.Natg 19 (
talk) 23:32, 18 April 2024 (UTC)reply
(
Discuss) – Rasna → Rasna (drink) – I had disambiguated this recently, and
Talk:Rasna (disambiguation) contains a pretty good explanation based on data on why there is no primary topic by usage. User Fram reverted this move now, so here's a formal RM to gather more community input. Fundamentally, we do not have much reason to believe that the term "Rasna" is strongly associated by the average English reader with the drink made in India, and a simple disambiguation list is the easy and reliable solution here. India is certainly a huge English-speaking country, but this product does not appear to be well-known globally (at least according to the current article content). With regard to long-term significance, it's not clear that the drink would come even close to overshadowing the other homonyms, which include the Etruscan civilization, and half a dozen small settlements across Europe.
Joy (
talk) 17:55, 10 April 2024 (UTC) — Relisting.Natg 19 (
talk) 23:30, 18 April 2024 (UTC)reply
(
Discuss) – Nicaragua Canal → ? – As the opening sentence of this article puts it, "there is a long history of attempts to build a canal across Nicaragua to connect the Atlantic Ocean with the Pacific Ocean", from as early as the 1500s to the most recent and hence most notable one in the 2010s. Currently, the general article is at "History of" and the specific one about the 2010s project at "Nicaragua Canal". Each has a section summarizing the other,
Nicaragua Canal § History and
History of the Nicaragua Canal § HKND project (2010–present), with {{
main}} hatnote crosslinks. This likely made sense when said project was active and there was reason to expect it to result in an actual canal, which would obviously have been vastly more notable than any mere plan to build one. But by the end of that decade, the project had been essentially abandoned, and I don't think it makes sense any longer. "Nicaragua Canal" has about 200 incoming article links (
[18]), of which I surveyed the first 20. The result is pretty much an even split between links that should indeed go to the 2010s project, and links that should go to the general page, or in some cases ideally one of its sections about earlier specific projects. But it's more confusing to follow a link to an article that's about the wrong specific thing than to an article that's too general, especially when that specific article has an unspecific title. So a switch would clarify the situation, IMO. The most obvious choice for a new title for the specific article is "Nicaraguan Canal and Development Project", per its opening sentence - though something that includes a date, as the "HKND project (2010–present)" section title does, might be more informative, so I left that open. -
2A02:560:58C3:0:B0B9:6993:EC37:F849 (
talk) 15:34, 10 April 2024 (UTC) — Relisting.Natg 19 (
talk) 23:29, 18 April 2024 (UTC)reply
(
Discuss) – Unge Ferrari → Stig Brenner – He changed his artist name from "Unge Ferrari" to "Stig Brenner" in 2020. The Norwegian article was moved in 2022, and the German article also uses his newer artist name.
12u (
talk) 21:08, 9 April 2024 (UTC) — Relisting.Natg 19 (
talk) 23:24, 18 April 2024 (UTC)reply
(
Discuss) – 3α-Hydroxysteroid dehydrogenase → AKR1C4 – This article covers the type 1 isoform of the enzyme, which is encoded by the gene AKR1C4. The current title is ambiguous with the other isoforms of this enzyme, which each have an article under the name of the gene which encode them (
AKR1C2,
AKR1C3). This title could be made more
precise by lengthening it to
3α-Hydroxysteroid dehydrogenase type 1. However, to make it more
concise and
consistent as well, I propose moving the page to AKR1C4 (which was the title until
2012).
SilverLocust💬 19:39, 9 April 2024 (UTC) — Relisting.Natg 19 (
talk) 23:21, 18 April 2024 (UTC)reply
(
Discuss) – Pedro Pagés → ? – "
Pedro Pagés" is currently the title of a biographical article of a guy who played two seasons in the major Negro Leagues and does not appear to meet the notability criteria for an article. (Historians don't even know when the guy died). He's certainly less notable than the current Pedro Pagés. If that article is even kept, it should be moved to "Pedro Pagés (outfielder)" and this article moved to "Pedro Pagés."
Dennis C. Abrams (
talk) 13:26, 8 April 2024 (UTC)
Rotideypoc41352 (
talk·contribs) 00:38, 9 April 2024 (UTC) — Relisting.Natg 19 (
talk) 23:17, 18 April 2024 (UTC)reply
(
Discuss) – If a tree falls in a forest → If a tree falls in a forest and no one is around to hear it, does it make a sound? – or
If a tree falls ...? It is not clear why the question that is the subject of this article is truncated after the first seven words, leaving the rest unstated and the question mark absent. No ellipsis is provided to show that something is missing. The topic is a question, and that can be seen from the opening sentence, but the article title doesn't show that. The
Bruce Cockburn song title truncates it after only four words. If we think the question is just too long, let's stop at four like he did, but add the ellipsis and the question mark. —
BarrelProof (
talk) 02:56, 7 April 2024 (UTC) — Relisting.Natg 19 (
talk) 23:11, 18 April 2024 (UTC)reply
(
Discuss) – Median state → Median kingdom – The term "kingdom" is more common and natural as evidenced in the article itself.
Mawer10 (
talk) 21:38, 31 March 2024 (UTC) This is a contested technical request (
permalink).
Mawer10 (
talk) 01:13, 3 April 2024 (UTC) — Relisting.Natg 19 (
talk) 23:05, 18 April 2024 (UTC)reply
(
Discuss) – Afon Tanat → River Tanat –
Ngrams shows "River Tanat" is used more in English, therefore the
WP:COMMONNAME. As used by
CPAT[19],
NRW[20], and
UK Gov. A lot of search results seem to take after Wikipedia when searching the current name. Plus the current name is from Welsh, but not the apparent common Welsh name itself, which is
Afon Tanad, so the current is neither the common Welsh or English name. DankJae 12:05, 2 April 2024 (UTC) — Relisting.Natg 19 (
talk) 23:01, 18 April 2024 (UTC)reply
(
Discuss) – The Lion's Share →
The lion's share – Since this disambiguation page's first entry —
Lion's share — uses the lowercase form, the main title header could be also in lowercase, thus enabling the move of
The Lion's Share (1971 film) →
The Lion's Share. This film's title represents English Wikipedia's sole header bearing this exact form, thus obviating need for the parenthetical qualifier "(1971 film)". Likewise,
Lion's Share (band) is the sole such header — no need for the qualifier "(band)". Hatnotes atop all the standalone articles would, of course, point to
The lion's share dab page. —
Roman Spinner(talk •
contribs) 18:41, 10 April 2024 (UTC) — Relisting. ASUKITE 19:04, 18 April 2024 (UTC)reply
(
Discuss) – Dallas Green (baseball) →
Dallas Green – Following the recent page move of the musician to "City and Colour", there is no need to have the disambiguation for the baseball manager. After all, the musician was named after the baseball manager! A hatnote could be used to different between the two, as well with the unrelated baseball team Dallas Green Monarchs.
APM (
talk) 18:57, 18 April 2024 (UTC)reply
(
Discuss) – Star Wars: Clone Wars (2003 TV series) → Star Wars: Clone Wars – Per
WP:SMALLDETAILS, this article doesn't need to be disambiguated from every article titled something resembling Star Wars: Clone Wars, it only has to be disambiguated from other works that could be referred to with that exact title. The
2008 show and the
movie have a "the" in the title, and should thus be different enough to avoid problems. Although both are colloquially referred to as Clone Wars, just as this show is, neither is really ever referred to or could be titled here as Star Wars: Clone Wars because that title would be wrong. The only article titled exactly Star Wars: Clone Wars is the one about
the comics, which is much less important than this article (it's basically just a list of comics titled something like Clone Wars or The Clone Wars, and has less than 400 views in the last month compared to over 27,000 for this article). If this goes through, I would recommend adding a hatnote to the movie, and maybe one for
Clone Wars (Star Wars), just to help with navigation.
Ladtrack (
talk) 15:47, 18 April 2024 (UTC)reply
(
Discuss) – Obi-Wan Kenobi (TV series) →
Obi-Wan Kenobi (miniseries) – Per the above discussion and
WP:NCTV, "(miniseries)" is the correct disambiguation for this article. The fact that there are no further seasons planned is stated and well supported in the article. If don't think this should be controversial but started this discussion to make sure there is visibility first. -
adamstom97 (
talk) 09:50, 18 April 2024 (UTC)reply
(
Discuss) – AMD Radeon Software →
AMD Software – Officially rebranded to 'AMD Software' since mid 2022, sources:
[21],
[22]. However I am not sure if "AMD Software" is a recognisable and precise title, hence starting a discussion on this. —
AP 499D25(talk) 08:54, 18 April 2024 (UTC)reply
(
Discuss) – Palestine → Palestine (disambiguation) – Per
WP:COMMONNAME and the upcoming UNSC vote on Friday to have Palestine upgraded as a UN member, I suggest this article be renamed to simply "Palestine" like all other country articles in this Wikipedia. It doesn't make sense to use Ireland as the Republic of Ireland or the Republic of China as two articles with one on the mainland and the other on Taiwan. Even the Google Trends uses Palestine more than the State of Palestine itself. Kindly keep this debate civil.
Silence of Lambs (
talk) 00:03, 18 April 2024 (UTC)reply
(
Discuss) – Woo Bum-kon →
Woo Bum-kon incident – Per
WP:BIO1E. Woo is notable for murdering a lot of people in one event, and not much else. Someone had previously tried to change this article to
Uiryeong massacre, however this title is original research: all of the later Korean sources call it some variation of "Woo Bom-kon incident", "Woo Bom-kon shooting incident", etc, see (
우범곤 사건, lit Woo Bum-kon incident). It is the clear common name, and we can't just make up our own titles. I believe this means it will be delisted as a vital article though, since it no longer fits the category it is listed in. Also, this article still has the problem of being overwhelmingly tilted towards 80s English news coverage instead of the boatload of later, more accurate, Korean language sourcing, but as I do not speak Korean this is a difficult issue to fix. Hopefully someone will, someday.
PARAKANYAA (
talk) 20:56, 17 April 2024 (UTC)reply
(
Discuss) – Socialist Republic of Romania → Socialist Romania – Here we are again. Two years ago I proposed a move to
Communist Romania[23], which was unsuccessful. Many of the opposers focused on the appropriate use of Marxist terminology, as Romania did not achieve
communism, which would imply if I am not mistaken an abolishment of the state, despite meeting the definition used at
Communist state. Now that the page has been subject to some moves I think it is a good moment to revisit the alternative I proposed and which went largely undiscussed,
Socialist Romania This article deals with all of Romania's communist regime. During this time, Romania was known by two names, Romanian People's Republic (1947–1965) and Socialist Republic of Romania (1965–1989). The current title, using the last of the two names, leaves out 40% of this period. This is not based on any policy, convention or common practice.
People's Socialist Republic of Albania uses the second out of three official names, which was used only half the time the first one was;
Czechoslovak Socialist Republic also uses the second out of three official names, this time it is the one used for the longest. Most other Eastern Bloc states had only one official name throughout their history and are not valid comparisons. Per
WP:OFFICIALNAMES we are not required to stick to official names and can resort to descriptive rather than proper names if there is good reason.
"Socialist Romania" gives 4,890 results in Google Scholar, while
"Socialist Republic of Romania" gives 4,950 (and
"Romanian People's Republic" gives 711). The proposed title is practically just as common (
WP:COMMONNAME) as the current one. Worth noting that
"Communist Romania" gives 12,700 results and is the most common name, but it is not the focus of this RM, because it was rejected on the last one. Thus, "Socialist Romania", while not violating
WP:OFFICIALNAMES and
WP:COMMONNAME, is shorter than the current title (
WP:CONCISE), actually covers the whole period (
WP:PRECISE) and is seemingly in line with Marxist terminology. The choice of using the last official name is not based on any formal procedure (and is thus arbitrary by definition), and we are not pressed to keep it. For all of these reasons I believe the proposed title is a better alternative. By the way, this will be my last attempt at altering this article's title.
SuperΨDro 20:11, 17 April 2024 (UTC)reply
(
Discuss) – Forwarding plane → Data plane – This page treats 'forwarding plane' and 'data plane' pretty much as synonyms. The term 'data plane' is by far the more common name -
evidence from Google Trends. There is already a redirect at
Data plane. The proposal is to rename this page to 'Data plane', and have a redirect from 'Forwarding plane' to this, m.m.
Chumpiht 17:49, 17 April 2024 (UTC)reply
(
Discuss) – Shoulder (road) → Hard shoulder – natural disambiguation
WP:NATDAB. There is a reason why
sidewalk is not titled
pavement because that term can also mean the road surface. Similarly,
elevator is not titled
lift because that also has another meaning. So why isn;t it the case here? Yes the term is British but that doesn't require disambiguation, but shoulder does as that commonly refers to the body part. It is also permitted to switch between English varieties if 'the change reduces ambiguity', as shown at
WP:RETAIN. This article has no (strong) ties to any English speaking land and since no ENGVAR is established, if this move is successful, then British English should be established for this article.
JuniperChill (
talk) 17:39, 17 April 2024 (UTC)reply
(
Discuss) – XO-2 (star) →
XO-2 –
XO-2 currently disambiguates between this article and
OLPC XO-2, which is a redirect. This can be resolved with a hatnote; the disambiguation page is unnecessary. Also,
OLPC XO-3 is an article but
XO-3 is an article about the star system, not a disambiguation page. (Since this move involves deleting the page currently at the target, is an AFD also needed?)
SevenSpheres (
talk) 16:00, 17 April 2024 (UTC)reply
(
Discuss) – Catalan cinema → Cinema of Catalonia –
WP:TITLECON. The article defines it as the cinema of Catalonia, including films in Catalan and Spanish. That means 'Catalan' refers to Catalonia, not the Catalan language, and excludes Valencia, the Baleares and Andorra. Any hypothetical article about films in Catalan should be named "Catalan-language cinema" or somesuch.
NLeeuw (
talk) 14:05, 14 April 2024 (UTC) This is a contested technical request (
permalink).
NLeeuw (
talk) 15:17, 17 April 2024 (UTC)reply
(
Discuss) – Maratha Empire → Maratha Confederacy – The Maratha state had been a confederation of some sort for much of its existence from at least 1721 when the Baroda State was founded and 1732 when Indore and Gwalior States were founded till 1818. The Maratha state during the Deccan wars under Shivaji and his descendents was not in the slightest an "empire", rather a quasi-state or rebel kingdom from 1674 till 1707. Besides in most scholarly sources the Maratha realm has been referred to as the "Maratha Confederacy" or "Maratha States". (Look at the infobox map itself. It says "Maratha States".) Calling it an empire is an overly biased PoV.
PadFoot2008 (
talk) 14:31, 17 April 2024 (UTC)reply
(
Discuss) – Limitarianism → Limitarianism (disambiguation) – (The last set of moves is not a requested move but a
histmerge, considering one was copied-pasted to the other.) I'm seeking consensus on whether the (ethical) article is a
broad concept article that should occupy the base page name; it was moved in 2017. If consensus is that (ethical) is not a broad concept article (or the primary topic) [or there is no consensus], I plan to open further discussions to see if a
split (
#Should be several articles above) is in order. Thanks in advanced!
Rotideypoc41352 (
talk·contribs) 17:17, 4 April 2024 (UTC) — Relisting.– robertsky (
talk) 13:21, 17 April 2024 (UTC)reply
(
Discuss) – Asha, Cyprus → Assia, Cyprus – Page was moved from 'Askia' to 'Asha, Cyprus' back in 2014 without any explanation (or discussion). As far as I can see, no English-language sources are using the current name; they use either 'Assia', 'Askia' or 'Ashia', where the first seems to be the most common, especially in the sources used in the article.
T*U (
talk) 13:10, 17 April 2024 (UTC)reply
(
Discuss) – Sexual intercourse →
Sexual intercourse in humans – This is common article about sexual intercourse which should be renamed as sexual intercourse (in common) or sexual intercourse in animals instead of the article sexual intercourse which is about human only, thus should be renamed as sexual intercourse in humans.
202.134.11.235 (
talk) 10:25, 6 April 2024 (UTC) — Relisting.SilverLocust💬 09:17, 17 April 2024 (UTC)reply
(
Discuss) – Raptor → Raptor (disambiguation) – Raptor as
bird of prey is clearly the
WP:PRIMARYTOPIC, and I'm a little bit perturbed at the opposing reasoning on the last discussion. Hit counts do not dictate primary topics. First, dinosaurs like Velociraptor or Dakotaraptor are named for their resemblance to extant raptors -- raptor literally meaning "robber" for the way that birds of prey generally take quarry. Second, everything with the "raptor" name refers directly or indirectly (through
dromaeosaurid dinosaurs) to birds of prey. The NBA team, computer code, fighter jet, et all are named as such to draw a parallel to the ferocity and power of either raptors (the birds) or raptors (the dromaeosaurs). Lastly, dromaeosaurs are only colloquially called "raptors", whereas birds of prey can be formally referred to as such.
wound theology◈ 06:32, 17 April 2024 (UTC)reply
(
Discuss) – Karma (2024 song) → Karma's a Bitch – This page keeps getting moved. The previous rationale was "The song was originally called that in the Miley Cyrus demo, and the Brit Smith demo. It also takes away the disambiguating, so it more succinct." I’m unsure, however. The article is about the song as an entity, but that 'entity' hasn’t got a name, but it’s clear that there are two versions of the same song, and that they are not covers of each other. I don’t think this has ever happened before. Plus the proposed title is already a redirect to the page, so seems like the most logical title. This is a case of 'what came first, the chicken or the egg?' Another suggestion is Karma and Karma's a Bitch.
109.235.247.80 (
talk) 01:57, 17 April 2024 (UTC)reply
April 16, 2024
(
Discuss) – Battle of Jackson → Battle of Jackson (disambiguation) – The battle in Mississippi is the primary topic for "Battle of Jackson". The Tennessee battle was a minor cavalry raid whereas the battle in Mississippi was a major battle during the
Vicksburg campaign. Without any context, "Battle of Jackson" refers to the Mississippi battle, it is the Tennessee battle alone that should require disambiguation. The Mississippi article is getting ~5x the page views. Hatnotes can easily address the other topics; the dab page can probably be deleted but might as well move it for now.
Mdewman6 (
talk) 20:26, 16 April 2024 (UTC)reply
(
Discuss) – List of NBCUniversal television programs →
List of Comcast television programs – This article lists shows produced by Sky Studios (and it's subsidiaries), which is not part of NBCUniversal but rather part of
Sky Group, another company owned by Comcast. Additionally, Sky has its own section in the article with other companies that are owned by NBCU, which is misleading and confusing as it can make people assume it's part of NBCU. It would be more suitable if most of the sections were put into an NBCU section, which would exist with the Sky section.
Inpops (
talk) 18:19, 16 April 2024 (UTC)reply
(
Discuss) – Reification (linguistics) → ? – Given the mentions of tooling and synonym discovery I think the content of this page was already more in the realm of natural language processing than linguistics. Consider merging the bottom part with semantic parsing.
Sean Lewis Bethard (
talk) 05:31, 25 March 2024 (UTC) — Relisting.Bensci54 (
talk) 16:57, 1 April 2024 (UTC) — Relisting.❯❯❯ Raydann(Talk) 17:54, 16 April 2024 (UTC)reply
(
Discuss) – Biblical and Quranic narratives →
Biblical narratives in the Quran – The current title is unclear. It is impossible to tell what the article is really about. An alternative to my suggestion might be "Biblical figures in the Quran". The subject of the article is clearly Biblical persons and stories found in some form also in the Quran.
Srnec (
talk) 01:29, 7 April 2024 (UTC) — Relisting.❯❯❯ Raydann(Talk) 17:26, 16 April 2024 (UTC)reply
(
Discuss) – Orlando (disambiguation) → Orlando – I realise that this was discussed before in 2016, but consensus may have changed. A recent discussion at
Talk:Orlando, Florida showed no consensus that this is the primary topic. I would put forward two reasons. Firstly, the sheer number of entries on this page means that we should be cautious about deciding that there is a primary topic. Secondly, some people argued that the Florida city is widely known outside the USA because it attracts a large number of tourists as the location of Disney World. However, speaking as a European who has never visited the USA, the extent to which US cities are widely known elsewhere is not necessarily a function of the number of tourists, it's not like e.g. Chicago or Los Angeles.
PatGallacher (
talk) 17:07, 16 April 2024 (UTC)reply
(
Discuss) – Bahmani-Vijayanagara War (1375 - 1378) → Mujahid Shah's Vijayanagara campaigns – Not found any sources calling the event as "Bahmani-Vijayanagar War" of 1375-78. The article is based on the campaign of Mujahid Shah of Bahmani Sultanate after the death of his father
Mohammed Shah I. Mujahid Shah's campaign against the Vijayanagara empire is notable, but no
WP:RS, nor any Historians referred this to as the current title. As we can't invent names for the military conflicts such as X-Y War, proposing move.
Imperial[AFCND] 09:37, 9 April 2024 (UTC) — Relisting.Bensci54 (
talk) 16:56, 16 April 2024 (UTC)reply
The 7-day listing period has elapsed. Items below may be closed if there's a consensus, or if discussion has run its course and consensus could not be achieved.
(
Discuss) – Diane O'Connor → Diane Hutchinson – Diane has now been credited as "Hutchinson" for the past 1- years - longer than O'Connor. She is no longer called "O'Connor" in the show, and more importantly, reliable sources list her using "Hutchinson", indicating that it is her
WP:COMMONNAME. Searching "O'Connor" does not get as many results as Hutchinson, so I recommend this move.
DaniloDaysOfOurLives (
talk) 12:12, 16 April 2024 (UTC)reply
(
Discuss) – Charlotte Drake → ? – Charlotte has never been credited as Charlotte Drake - she used it once as an alias in a flashback in the final episode, but nothing more - other characters have not even referenced to her as that throughout the show's duration. Furthermore, her
WP:COMMONNAME is either Charlotte DiLaurentis or Cece Drake. I hence propose a move to one of these.
DaniloDaysOfOurLives (
talk) 11:43, 16 April 2024 (UTC)reply
(
Discuss) – I Am... (Beyoncé tour) → I Am... World Tour – This request is to restore the former name of the page. The previous move was closed under a quintaessential example of why
supervoting is inappropriate and why Wikipedia is built upon consensus and not a polling democracy. The argument provided by the closer, @
BilledMammal:, reads as follows: Consensus to move per
WP:PRECISION; the current title is ambiguous. Ambiguity was never a reason provided for the move by itself; the argument was "There are multiple albums by multiple artists called I Am which could be easily confused as being the subject of this tour", which is not a valid argument to move a page. The tour is not a subsection of an album to argue such thing. Furthermore, being ambiguous is not a reason to move pages mainly because the
titling criteria is not a set of imposed rules. The closing didn't address the arguments provided by either side and it never explained where the consensus arised. Additionally, it was never demonstrated that the official name is the
WP:COMMONAME, why we should follow an
WP:OFFICIALNAME, why
WP:SMALLDETAILS is not applicable, why
WP:NATURAL is not applicable, and since the page was moved and the redirects corrected,
exactly where is the ambiguity in the title, since the Lewis tour has not improved its views caused by the alleged ambiguity.
(CC)Tbhotch™ 01:49, 16 April 2024 (UTC)reply
(
Discuss) – 2023 Georgian protests →
2023–2024 Georgian protests – The protests have been
restarted after the practically the same law was reinstroduced into the Parliament. All sides are same and the matter of protests is still the same, so it is basically a same thing and there is no point to write a new article. The protests are expected to continue so this article should be moved to 2023–2024 Georgian protests page
38.51.157.23 (
talk) 19:31, 15 April 2024 (UTC)reply
(
Discuss) – Iran–Israel proxy conflict → Iran–Israel conflict – Iran and Israel are now attacking each other directly, and in the past they have carried out cyber attacks, direct covert operations and other actions other than supporting proxies. Therefore, the title is not correct and needs to be changed.
Parham wiki (
talk) 19:04, 15 April 2024 (UTC)reply
(
Discuss) – November Uprising (Lviv, 1918) →
November act – per all languages that have an article on this. * The article suggests that there was uprising in Lviv, while in reality, the Ukrainians took the city without a fight and disarmed Austrian soldiers. * The article characterizes the Ukrainian capture of the city as an uprising. However, shortly thereafter, the Poles also rose up against the Ukrainians, which could also be described as an uprising. Rather then the article being named "November Uprising (Lviv,1918)" the name should get redirected to
Battle of Lemberg (1918) .
Olek Novy (
talk) 19:03, 15 April 2024 (UTC)reply
(
Discuss) – Tbilisi Spiritual Seminary → Tbilisi Theological Seminary – The institution's own website uses
uses Tbilisi Theological Academy and Seminary. Most sources seem to use "Theological" (see
Google books for "Tiflis Theological Seminary", or high-quality sources like Brill's Encyclopedia of Islam (which inexplicably talks about Christian seminaries in Tiflis in some detail! Available on the Wikipedia library if you want to check.). More generally, "Spiritual" is an awkward, literal translation that isn't that accurate to idiomatic English usage. It's a seminary for learning theology, not a monastery. There are a few sources that use "Spiritual" in GBooks (
[24]), but they drop off the front page quickly from ~5 or so hits, and many are books written in the past decade when the Wikipedia article was at "spiritual" and may have simply trusted the Wikipedia usage. One complication is that the institution is most notable when the city was known as "Tiflis" in the 19th and early 20th centuries, and the article was originally created under the "Tiflis" name in 2013. Given that there is a successor institution, it seems reasonable to use the modern name of the successor institution, though, even if there's fewer sources on the contemporary era. But I wouldn't be totally opposed to "Tiflis Theological Seminary" as a backup option.
SnowFire (
talk) 17:12, 15 April 2024 (UTC)reply
(
Discuss) – This Summer (Squeeze song) →
This Summer – Since this just
got kept at AfD, this is the next move. The other This Summer, the Alessia Cara EP, I found unquestionably non-notable and
redirected a week ago. Since nobody's questioned that decision yet, and I still stand by it, it seems fair to call this PTOPIC. Target can either be deleted and converted to hatnotes or moved to
This Summer (disambiguation). The latter might be preferable since there are two other entries in the see also section, though a hatnote for all three might not be unreasonable. I'm fine either way.
QuietHere (
talk |
contributions) 16:36, 15 April 2024 (UTC)reply
(
Discuss) – Lee Jun-seok → Lee Junseok – Lee uses the name Lee Junseok in all official documents.His Harvard University graduate's name is also Junseok. Additionally, the revised Korean romanization system recommends not using spaces between given names.
Ehgud2077 (
talk) 07:28, 15 April 2024 (UTC)reply
(
Discuss) – 2024 Iranian strikes in Israel → ? – The previous discussion was on moving 'Strikes' to 'strike' version, and it was speedy closed by me as there is a speedy consensus on that matter. However, what had been raised in that discussion is which proposition to be used in the article title. : The previous discussion was moving "Strikes" to "strikes", rather than to "strike", I believe? I mention this because there may be further strikes by Iran on Israel later in the year, and it's not clear whether this article would include those, or if they would get their own articles. I think clearest would be to include the full date, so this article is specifically about the missile and drone attack on the one day, which I think would be 14 April 2024 (starting in the early morning hours local time).
Warren Dew (
talk) 05:23, 15 April 2024 (UTC)reply
(
Discuss) – Arthur Morgan (Red Dead) →
Arthur Morgan – I checked every existing "Arthur Morgan" article page views, but obviously this fictional character page views is way too far compare from the others. And when you look up Arthur Morgan, of course the fictional character is more well known than others.
Greenish Pickle! (
🔔) 05:22, 15 April 2024 (UTC)reply
(
Discuss) – Nihon Shōgakkō fire →
Japanese mission school fire – per
WP:USEENGLISH, even in article it's stated 'English-language newspapers covering the incident in 1923 usually called it the Japanese mission school fire or the Buddhist mission fire.'. The article title appears to be just the school's old Japanese name given from the website with 'fire' added to it - there is no evidence of 'Nihon Shōgakkō fire' that doesn't appear to be
WP:CIRCULAR, I also couldn't find any evidence of the presumable Japanese translation of the title.
Traumnovelle (
talk) 00:32, 15 April 2024 (UTC)reply
(
Discuss) – Milyang Park clan → Miryang Park clan – Per
WP:TITLECON &
WP:COMMONNAME, the article name should be the Miryang Park clan. Other Korean clans from Miryang, such as the
Miryang No clan and the
Miryang Dang clan are also titled this way instead of the Milyang variant. The current article title seems to be at its current location based on it being an
WP:OFFICIALNAME, however the example cited is based on the url of the Korean-language website of this clan. There are no other indicators on this website that contain the English term "Milyang Park". The term "Miryang Park" or its variants is also used by a variety of sources and appears to be the
WP:COMMON NAME: The Korea Times
[1][2], the Christian Science Monitor
[3], this research paper from the Journal of People Plants and Environment
[4], this research paper from the Korean Anthropology Review
[5], and A History of Korea: From Antiquity to the Present[6].
⁂CountHacker (
talk) 23:31, 14 April 2024 (UTC)reply
(
Discuss) – Lapinjärvi (village) → Lapinjärven kirkonkylä – All of these articles about Finnish church villages begin with The X church village (also known as X; Finnish: X:n kirkonkylä, Swedish: X Kapellby), where X is the name of the municipality. However, there are no references to establish "also known as X" part and the current article names. The official Finnish name of each village is either X:n kirkonkylä or an ambiguous Kirkonkylä (which makes total sense locally). I also did not find an established translation for kirkonkylä (the literal 'church village' is not found in many sources), which is why I am suggesting to use the Finnish name for each village.
Jähmefyysikko (
talk) 14:45, 14 April 2024 (UTC)reply
(
Discuss) – Cumnock (original) railway station → Old Cumnock railway station – I've been tidying up disambiguation for former railway stations in Scotland per
WP:UKSTATIONDAB and I'm not 100% sure what the best solution is for these two stations. The first was a Glasgow, Paisley, Kilmarnock and Ayr Railway station opened as Old Cumnock in 1850, renamed to Cumnock in 1955 and closed in 1965. The second was a Glasgow and South Western Railway station that was only ever known as Cumnock, opened in 1872 and closed in 1951. I feel the natural disambiguation (using Old Cumnock and Cumnock) works best as there was only a brief period where the first station was known as Cumnock and they had different names when they were both in operation. The other options for disambiguation don't really work either as they are both in the same town and they were both run by the same company as the Glasgow, Paisley, Kilmarnock and Ayr Railway became the Glasgow and South Western Railway shortly after the first station opened. The current naming pattern doesn't work with the policy so they will have to move, I don't know what the disambiguation for the second station should be though as their is also a Cumnock railway station in Australia and
Cumnock railway station needs to be a dab page.
Stevie fae Scotland (
talk) 10:47, 14 April 2024 (UTC)reply
(
Discuss) – Nigerien crisis (2023–present) →
Nigerien crisis (2023–2024) – Some discussion topics on this talk page seem to agree that the crisis is over, hence this request to move the page title. ECOWAS withdrew sanctions and France withdrew troops, there seem to be no "original crisis" still present.
Yxuibs (
talk) 03:00, 14 April 2024 (UTC)reply
(
Discuss) – S.T.S. →
S.T.S. (band) – Whether an abbreviation is spelled with a terminal period or not is a triviality. In all of these cases the title without the terminal period redirects somewhere else, so the title with the period should do the same.
* Pppery *it has begun... 21:50, 13 April 2024 (UTC)reply
(
Discuss) – Postmodernism (international relations) →
Poststructuralism (international relations) – The current (9th, 2023) edition of the only source cited in this stub discusses this topic under the heading of "poststructuralism", with "postmodernism" being mentioned only as a loose synonym in a box on p. 183. (In the absence of additional sources supporting this being a real sub-field of international relations, I would also support deletion rather than renaming. However this is outside my area of expertise.)
Patrick J. Welsh (
talk) 19:00, 13 April 2024 (UTC)reply
(
Discuss) – Vi vil oss et land... →
Vi vil oss et land... (film) – A series of titles with ellpises where the primary topic for the name without the ellipses could reasonably be referred to with ellipses and hence they fail to disambiguate at all. In particular: *
Vi vil oss et land is the beginning of a poem - the ellipses could refer to the rest of the poem *
Canta y no llores is part of the lyrics of a song - the ellipses could refer to the rest of the lyrrics *
A Man Walks Into a Bar is the beginning of a joke - the ellipses could refer to the rest of the joke *
Yes, Virginia redirects to
Yes, Virginia, there is a Santa Claus, a newspaper editorial. The ellipses could refer to either "there is a Santa Claus" or the entire rest of the article *
There Was a Crooked Man is the first line of a nursery rhyme - the ellipses could refer to the rest of the nursery rhyme. Disambiguate both films by year in the spirit of
WP:PRIMARYFILM* Pppery *it has begun... 16:50, 13 April 2024 (UTC)reply
(
Discuss) – Ravi Gulati →
Ravi Gulati (activist) – With all due respect, the EastEnders character is simply more well-known. When searched, the vast majority of the results are related to the fictional character, even on searches like "Ravi Gulati activist". This is also reflected in the "References" headings for both, with the real person having only three cited sources. In this case,
Ravi Gulati (EastEnders) would also be a redirect. As a plan B,
Ravi Gulati could be a disambiguation page, but I think is unnecessary as the character is significantly better documented.
FishLoveHam (
talk) 15:46, 13 April 2024 (UTC)reply
(
Discuss) – London Country South East → Kentish Bus – This is the common name used by the operator since 1987.[4] Considering the operator was founded in 1986 - the article lead references that, too - I don't think it makes a lot of sense to use an anachronistic name used for only one year as the page title.
Hullian111 (
talk) 14:23, 13 April 2024 (UTC)reply
(
Discuss) – Samajbadi Morcha, Nepal → Socialist Front (Nepal) – I see no evidence that the current title is used more than Socialist Front. In fact, when I googled it pretty much every result used Samajwadi Morcha which could also be the common name.
Charles Essie (
talk) 17:26, 5 April 2024 (UTC) — Relisting.Anarchyte (
talk) 07:25, 13 April 2024 (UTC)reply
(
Discuss) – 2024 Mozambique boat disaster → ? – Mozambique is quite a big place. Surely we can get more specific. I am not familiar with the region, however, and will let more informed editors decide on a new name.
Bremps... 03:40, 13 April 2024 (UTC)reply
(
Discuss) – Polish–Muscovite Wars (1605–1618) → Polish–Russian War (1605–1618) – The term "Muscovy" is not quite correct in the context of historical events. After the establishment of a unified centralized authority, the country called itself the Tsardom of Russia, not Muscovy. Such a name was relevant only during the times when Moscow existed independently, but the formation of the Tsardom of Russia happened long before the war. This can also confuse the reader since the article refers to Tsardom of Russia, which uses a different designation. Additionally, it should be clarified that this term was often used by the Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth during the conflict between it and the Tsardom of Russia for propaganda purposes, as the term clearly implies feudal fragmentation of the state. Nowadays, the term is also used as a derogatory term towards Russia -
https://www.svoboda.org/a/ukraina-moskoviya-i-drugie-yaroslav-shimov-o-borjbe-za-vostok-evropy/32330846.html,
https://www.pravda.com.ua/rus/news/2022/11/29/7378557/.
PawelSULKUL (
talk) 21:47, 12 April 2024 (UTC)reply
(
Discuss) – France Olympic football team → France national under-23 football team – Per
WP:COMMONNAME: sources are referring to this team as the France U23s (
see FFF source.) Also, like in most cases, the "general name" of the team is the under-23s, which "takes the place" of the Olympic team at the Olympics. This is the more general name in that the team also competes in friendly matches outside of the Olympics. And again COMMONNAME.
Paul Vaurie (
talk) 22:28, 26 March 2024 (UTC) — Relisting.Bensci54 (
talk) 17:02, 11 April 2024 (UTC)reply
(
Discuss) – Kalolaa-kumukoa → Kalola-a-Kumukoa – Inline with the few reliable sources on the subject. *In the source (Esther T. Mookini "Keopuolani: Sacred Wife, Queen Mother, 1778-1823", p. 10) used Kalolaakumukoa not Kalolaa-kumukoa, with a break in the line on the page. The hyphen is used to connect the two parts of the name. See the
pdf Kalola-a-Kumukoa in some variation is used in: Kamakau's Ruling Chiefs of Hawaii, p.
476; Edith Kawelohea McKinzie's Hawaiian Genealogies: Extracted from Hawaiian Language Newspapers, Vol. 2, p. 13, Kapiikauinamoku's (Sammy Amalu) Story of Maui Royalty [The story of Maui royalty — Ulukau books link], and this newspaper article by Robert W. Wilcox [Robert Wilcox sounds off, 1898. | nupepa (nupepa-hawaii.com) link].
KAVEBEAR (
talk) 04:51, 2 April 2024 (UTC) — Relisting.Bensci54 (
talk) 16:36, 11 April 2024 (UTC)reply
(
Discuss) – Legal status of fictional pornography depicting minors → Legal status of fictional child pornography – I am making a move request as
User:EggRoll97 has reverted my move using with the basis of
WP:RMUM. According to
WP:RMUM; Autoconfirmed editors may move a page without discussion if all of the following apply: No article exists at the new target title; 'There has been no previous discussion about the title of the page that expressed any objection to a new title; and It seems unlikely that anyone would reasonably disagree with the move.' & 'If you disagree with a prior bold move, and the new title has not been in place for a long time, you may revert the move yourself.' My move was done on the basis of
WP:CONCISE &
WP:PRECISE, as 'child pornography' is much shorter and more concise than 'pornography depicting minors', & the page for
Child pornography is not titled '
Pornography depicting minors', or maybe rename it to 'Legal status of
simulated child pornography', To fit with the aforementioned article. Why would you object to this?
Formerlychucks (
talk) 11:35, 19 March 2024 (UTC) — Relisting.Natg 19 (
talk) 16:37, 28 March 2024 (UTC) — Relisting.– robertsky (
talk) 11:25, 7 April 2024 (UTC)reply
(
Discuss) – Vincent Lee Chuan Leong →
1999 Singapore kidnapping case – The current title is effectively
WP:BLP1E and
WP:BLPCRIME. "Kidnapping of X" may not work given that the victim's name is generally not available outside, and even if so, we should generally avoid naming the victim here was 14yo when it happened. The proposed title is a descriptive one, and if there is a better alternative title, I am amenable to the proposed title as well.
– robertsky (
talk) 14:31, 22 March 2024 (UTC) — Relisting.asilvering (
talk) 22:48, 29 March 2024 (UTC) — Relisting.BilledMammal (
talk) 04:23, 7 April 2024 (UTC)reply
(
Discuss) – Francis, Duke of Guise → François, Duke of Guise – Requesting move of these articles per WP:COMMONNAME. I will begin my argument with ngrams, even though I find them largely overcrowded by noise. Please see
[33][34][35][36] Moving beyond ngrams, my argument revolves around the English literature that focuses on the family, the era of the Italian Wars, and the era French Wars of Religion, both areas of which they played a central role in and are therefore not an incidental mention in. Stuart Carroll (2011) Martyr's and Murderers: The Guise Family and the Making of Europe, is the most recent English language biography of the family - it refers to the second duke of Guise as François, his son the third duke as Henri and the fifth duke of Guise as Henri II (also the seventh duke of Guise as François-Joseph though that Wikipedia article is already at François-Joseph, so does not require changing.) The other recent English book which discusses them in the title is Mark Konnert's (2006) Local Politics in the French Wars of Religion: The Towns of Champagne, the duc de Guise and the Catholic League (1560-1595) - it refers to François, and Henri. I will now briefly survey English academics who have written on this area in the last couple of decades, and their various positions on the names. Gould (2006) = François; Roelker (1968) = François, Henri; Knecht (2014) = François, Henri; Diefendorf (1991) = François, Henri; Roberts (2013) = François, Henri; Sutherland (1962) = François, Henri; Tullchin (2012) = François, Henri; Roelker (1996) = François, Henri; Baumgartner (1986) = Henri; Harding (1978) = François, Henri; Heller (2003) = Henri; Potter (1997) = François, Henri; Carroll (2005) = François, Henri; Bernstein (2004) = Henri; Konnert (1997) = François, Henri; Benedict (2003) = François, Henri; Salmon (1979) = François, Henri; Shaw (2019) [only English language survey of the Italian Wars] = François; Pitts (2012) = François, Henri; Neuschel (1989) = François; Kingdon (1967) = François, Henri; Greengrass (1988) = François; Conner (2000) = François, Spangler (2016) = Henri Tingle (2006) is a little unusual, refers to François, and Henry; likewise Shimizu (1970) refers to Francis, and Henri Holt (2002) = Francis, Henry, he is the only French Wars of Religion era academic I am aware of who throughout all his works consistently calls them this way. Wood (2002) never refers to either duke by their first name.
sovietblobfish (
talk) 11:21, 13 March 2024 (UTC) — Relisting.Robertus Pius (
Talk •
Contribs) 19:24, 20 March 2024 (UTC) — Relisting.asilvering (
talk) 00:28, 30 March 2024 (UTC) — Relisting.BilledMammal (
talk) 04:21, 7 April 2024 (UTC)reply
(
Discuss) – Lady L →
Lady L (film) – For disambiguation. The film gets more pageviews but it was based on the novel so it's best to say no primary topic. In any event whether the initials have a period or not is trivial.
* Pppery *it has begun... 04:31, 22 March 2024 (UTC) — Relisting.– robertsky (
talk) 00:55, 31 March 2024 (UTC) — Relisting.BilledMammal (
talk) 02:53, 7 April 2024 (UTC)reply
(
Discuss) – Joint Light Tactical Vehicle →
Joint Light Tactical Vehicle competition – There are basically two extremely similar articles about the JLTV.
Actually three.
Joint Light Tactical Vehicle resembles an article about the development program, while
Oshkosh L-ATV is about the JLTV selected for production. There is enough content for two articles, but I would guess that most people searching for "JLTV" would expect to find an article about the production vehicle than the competition that produced it. Background: "L-ATV" was the marketing name for the truck originally designed by Oshkosh for the JLTV program, which Oshkosh won in 2015. Presumably Oshkosh did not wish to tie the vehicle's success to the JLTV program, and so branded it as Each branch of the U.S. military calls it the "JLTV". Oshkosh usually refers to the L-ATV as the JLTV, although
very occasionally Oshkosh will market a variant of the JLTV as an L-ATV on their own initiative. Here is a
press release where Oshkosh announces the sale of "JLTVs", not "L-ATVs", to European countries. AM General will take over production of the JLTV from Oshkosh at the end of the year. They will be calling their version the
JLTV A2. If this move is carried out there should be a section about the competition with a pointer to
Joint Light Tactical Vehicle competition.
Schierbecker (
talk) 02:44, 28 March 2024 (UTC) — Relisting.Bensci54 (
talk) 16:08, 4 April 2024 (UTC)reply
(
Discuss) – Polish–Ukrainian ethnic conflict →
Polish–Ukrainian relations (1939–1947) – The article's author was unable to demonstrate the source basis for the existence of a Polish-Ukrainian ethnic conflict in 1942-47; the very fact that he places the Polish anti-communist and pro-independence Freedom and Independence Association on the Ukrainian side demonstrates his poor grasp of the subject, but also, and above all, the inability to narrate the entire history solely through the optics of "ethnic conflict." For indeed, this is a misleading take. First, because it is difficult to define the actors. The Polish side is not homogeneous: there are many organizations, and the three main currents (the Home Army, the Nationalists and the Communists) had different attitudes toward the Ukrainian cause and did not pursue a uniform policy. Likewise, on the Ukrainian side, there is the OUN-M, OUN-B (and UPA), UCK collaborators, Bulbovets, Ukrainian Soviet partisans, Ukrainian SSR authorities, etc. Second, despite generally hostile relations, there were also periods of peace, attempts at agreement, and actual alliances. There is an entire book by Grzegorz Motyka and Rafał Wnuk on this subject: "Pany and rezuny. Cooperation of the AK-WiN and the UPA 1945-1947". Many Ukrainians served in the Polish army in 1939 and in the Polish armed forces in the west. Pavlo Shandruk cooperated with the Polish government in exile etc. These are things largely not currently described on Wikipedia. In the current situation, I see two choices: # due to the fact that the article is a translation from the Polish Wiki of the article under the title " Polish-Ukrainian partisan fighting", we can move it under this title and change the scope to describe the skirmishes between the two partisan movement. # or, as I suggest, move it under the title I proposed and describe the whole of Polish-Ukrainian relations during the war. I believe that such an article would be valuable and would be a " container" tying together all the topics currently described in isolation (the massacres of Poles in Volhynia, the Hrubieszów revolution, the WiN-UPA alliance, etc.).
Marcelus (
talk) 20:30, 14 March 2024 (UTC) — Relisting.– robertsky (
talk) 02:04, 23 March 2024 (UTC) — Relisting.NW1223<
Howl at me•
My hunts> 19:04, 30 March 2024 (UTC)reply
(
Discuss) – Anarchist St. Imier International → Anti-Authoritarian International – In my experience, the term "Anti-Authoritarian International" appears to be the
common name for this organisation in historical sources.
[38] I rarely see it referred to as the "Anarchist International", as the term "anarchist" wasn't even formally adopted by members of the organisation until after it had already collapsed (see Graham 2019, p. 339). But we do know that they referred to themselves as "anti-authoritarians", in order to distance themselves from the Marxist International.
Grnrchst (
talk) 11:22, 19 March 2024 (UTC) — Relisting.Natg 19 (
talk) 16:38, 28 March 2024 (UTC)reply
(
Discuss) – Genital modification and mutilation → Genital modification – Fails
WP: CRITERIA. 1.) It lacks precision, as it encompasses related but dissimilar topics, often being misinterpreted by users to mean that all genital modifications listed on the page are mutilations. 2.) It fails the criteria of concision. As all genital mutilations are forms of genital modifications, genital modification would suffice. (e.g. It is like if a page was termed "List of dogs and bulldogs" instead of "List of dogs") 3.) It fails the criteria of neutrality, as it implies to readers (problematically) that
gender-affirming surgery,
labiaplasty,
circumcision, and
pearling are mutilation. It also associates "modification" with exclusively negative changes. To make it meet
WP: NPOV, you'd have to add "enhancement" or another positive term, a proposal that would further fail the criteria of concision. 4.) The title goes against article precedents surrounding
body modification articles. All of which leave out titles that give positive or negative personal judgements.
KlayCax (
talk) 03:30, 26 February 2024 (UTC) — Relisting.estar8806 (
talk)
★ 13:09, 28 March 2024 (UTC)reply
(
Discuss) – Novogrudok → Navahrudak – Belarusian is the native language of Belarus, so the name should be transliterated from that native language. --
W (
talk) 13:06, 6 March 2024 (UTC) — Relisting.Natg 19 (
talk) 17:25, 27 March 2024 (UTC)reply
When the subject of an article is referred to mainly by a single common name, as evidenced through usage in a significant majority of English-language sources, Wikipedia generally follows the sources and uses that name as its article title (subject to the other naming criteria). Sometimes that common name includes non-neutral words that Wikipedia normally avoids (e.g. Alexander the Great, or the Teapot Dome scandal). In such cases, the prevalence of the name, or the fact that a given description has effectively become a proper name (and that proper name has become the common name), generally overrides concern that Wikipedia might appear as endorsing one side of an issue. An article title with non-neutral terms cannot simply be a name commonly used in the past; it must be the common name in current use.
(
Discuss) – Fremantle Football Club → Fremantle Dockers – Discussing titles for the
new Tasmanian team has me thinking about how our AFL clubs' articles are named – in my view, they're not up to scratch with
modern titling policy. For context, of the 18 AFL clubs,
Gold Coast Suns,
Greater Western Sydney Giants,
Sydney Swans,
West Coast Eagles and
Western Bulldogs currently use the "[location] [mascot]" combo, with the other 13 currently at "[location] Football Club". In my view, we should be using the "[location] [mascot]" combination more often, if not in all cases, because it is more concise, recognisable and is used more often by our sources. Past justifications for using "[location] Football Club" have tended to rest on the idea that articles should use whatever the club's official name is, which is
not necessarily true. Aside from this general rationale, some points specific to Fremantle: *Clubs that have acquired their current name after the 1980s – Sydney (relocated 1982), West Coast (entered 1987), Western Bulldogs (rebranded 1996), Gold Coast (entered 2011) and GWS (entered 2012) – all use "[location] [mascot]". The exception is Adelaide (entered 1991, title is "Adelaide Football Club") but their article also probably needs to be moved. Because Fremantle entered in 1995, using "[location] [mascot]" is especially consistent with the more recent clubs tending to use this format. *Many third-party sources use "Fremantle Dockers":
PerthNow,
Fox,
The West,
ZeroHanger,
Nine,
Seven,
The RoarSydney Morning Herald,
ABC. I'm not exactly going to say "Fremantle Dockers" is the
WP:COMMONNAME, because the actual COMMONNAME is probably just "Fremantle" or "the Dockers", but those names aren't suitable options. *Fremantle consistently use "Dockers" over "Football Club" in their own branding. It's on their logo, their social media accounts, their official app and so on. *"Dockers" is consistent across time. During their time in the AFL, Fremantle have never been known by a name other than the Dockers. *"Dockers" is consistent across teams. There's no reserves or AFLW team using a different name. And some other notes: *This move request is intended as a warm-up to gauge community sentiment and avoid changing too much at once, not to suggest Fremantle is the only club that needs their article moved. *If this move request succeeds, associated articles with "Fremantle Football Club" in their title (e.g.
List of Fremantle Football Club players) should be moved to the equivalent title with "Fremantle Dockers". –
Teratix₵ 08:41, 12 March 2024 (UTC) — Relisting. —
Amakuru (
talk) 14:24, 21 March 2024 (UTC)reply
Do not use hypothetical, dissolved or defunct titles, including pretenders (real or hypothetical), unless this is what the majority of reliable sources use.
(
Discuss) – Sarukhan, Bey of Magnesia → Saruhan – Already redirects here. Else, it can be Saruhan Bey or something similar, because this is the only person with the name on Wikipedia if I'm not mistaken. Magnesia is only a settlement, and he and his descendants ruled a region, more than just one town. So, "Magnesia" should definitely be removed in some way.
Aintabli (
talk) 01:55, 9 March 2024 (UTC) — Relisting.asilvering (
talk) 05:01, 16 March 2024 (UTC)reply
(
Discuss) – Frederik IX of Denmark → Frederik IX – He's the only monarch with this exact name, so we should move per
WP:PRECISE, and the move will make the article title consistent with his daughter and now his grandson, whose name is spelled without the C.
Векочел (
talk) 01:56, 15 January 2024 (UTC)reply Note: A mistake on my part in saying Frederik IX was the only monarch with this name. He is the only king with this exact name.Векочел (
talk) 09:21, 15 January 2024 (UTC) — Relisting.FOARP (
talk) 14:36, 15 February 2024 (UTC)reply