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Here is how this individual's name is spelled in English-language reference works. If you have access to other major English-language reference works, please add to this list. Thank you. -- Elonka 00:29, 28 June 2006 (UTC)
The result of the debate was Boleslaw I of Poland, per above consensus poll
The WP:RM entry for this article mentions that consensus was reached. The above poll does not prove consensus in my eyes, as there are too many votes against "Boleslaw I of Poland". It is obvious that "Bolslav I of Poland", the current title, is not preferred, but I would rather a poll with just the two options. So here it is. Thankyou -- liquidGhoul 02:18, 19 July 2006 (UTC)
Poll to rename article to "Boleslaw I of Poland"
Support:
Oppose:
Comments:
Well, we did have consensus, with 5 out of 7 people willing to support "Boleslaw I of Poland". But then SylwiaS came and threw her support behind "Boleslaw I the Brave", which made the numbers 5 out of 8. SylwiaS, Lysy, or Charles, would you be willing to support "Boleslaw I of Poland", to prove consensus? Or do we have to re-vote this entire thing again? -- Elonka 04:38, 19 July 2006 (UTC)
What do you think of 'Boleslaw I the Brave of Poland' as a compromise? I really think that 'the Brave' (Chrobry) is more useful then 'of Poland', but why not have both in the title?-- Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus | talk 23:34, 31 July 2006 (UTC)
I don't know where to put this,
BUT this information :
"In 1015 Bolesław I sent a detachment of Polish horsemen to aid his nephew Canute the Great, son of his sister Swietoslawa, in his conquest of England.[11]"
can not be fund in the mentioned source. I have the book in front of me. Jan Eskildsen 87.57.196.164 ( talk) —Preceding undated comment added 16:28, 2 September 2010 (UTC).
It is not in Davies' book, and it is not in Lawson's book either. So if you can't specify from wheer you have it, delete it. Jan Eskildsen 93.165.30.156 ( talk) 18:23, 7 December 2012 (UTC)
Now it says, that it is in the books God's Playground, which I do not believe. Why is there no page mentioned? Why not mention the original source, if is true? 22:26, 14 September 2014 (UTC)Jan Eskildsen — Preceding unsigned comment added by 87.57.193.238 ( talk)
I heard that Boleslaw introduced some protection of beavers but I cannot cite any sources. If anyone could, I think that the information is worth placing here as that would make him one of pioneers of environmental protection. Zbihniew 23:00, 21 November 2006 (UTC)
I removed the comment that he was the "first real Christian" ruler of Poland as this is a statement of faith rather than one of fact. A person who converts to Christianity is as much a Christian as someone born into the faith. Velkyal ( talk) 12:50, 4 March 2008 (UTC)
Other editors have raised questions about the appropriateness of this redirect. Can we confirm or deny that it is appropriate? This should go to WP:RfD depending on consensus. Enviroboy Talk Cs 19:52, 4 August 2008 (UTC)
While some may be surprised by it, I do prefer the translation of royal nicknames, i.e. Chrobry to Brave, as Brave is much more meaningful to English readers of this article than Chrobry. -- Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| talk 01:29, 13 March 2009 (UTC)
Vojtech was a Czech from a Czech dynasty so his Slavic name should be used primarily. The German name, "Adalbert" should of course be included in parentheses the first time around as Encyclopedic information. radek ( talk) 14:49, 5 July 2009 (UTC)
For WP:POLAND: failed. Reasons: insufficient inline citations. -- Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 06:16, 16 March 2013 (UTC)
English Gbook hits: "Bolesław the Brave" (ca. 50), "Bolesław I the Brave" (35), "Boleslaw the Great" (11), "Bolesław I the Great" (5). Gscholar hits: "Bolesław the Brave" (174), "Bolesław I the Brave" (33), "Bolesław the Great" (21), "Bolesław I the Great" (2). Also note Polish use: Gbooks: "Bolesław Chrobry" (210+) and "Bolesław I Chrobry" (62) vs. "Bolesław Wielki" (179) and "Bolesław I Wielki" (17); Gscholar "Bolesław Wielki" (46) and "Bolesław I Wielki" (4) vs. "Bolesław Chrobry" (1000+) and "Bolesław I Chrobry" (134).-- Zoupan 01:59, 7 August 2015 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: moved to Bolesław I the Brave. Jenks24 ( talk) 10:51, 23 August 2015 (UTC)
Bolesław I Chrobry →
Bolesław the Brave – Common name as per above section.
Zoupan 02:00, 7 August 2015 (UTC) Relisted.
Jenks24 (
talk) 08:08, 15 August 2015 (UTC)
Bolesław the Brave
Bolesław the Brave
Bolesław the Brave
Boleslaw the Brave (Chrobry)
Bolesław the Brave
Bolesław the Brave (Bolesław Chrobry)
Bolesław the Brave
Bolesław the Brave
Bolesław the Brave
I want to thank User:Borsoka for the recent edits. I think it is reasonable to try to aim for a WP:GA here. I have scans of the PSB entry (unfortunately, this being letter B, they are old, from the 1930s, I think). I will try to see if they can help here. We need to lose some unreferenced content, and replace few refs or verify page numbers. This is almost B-class, perhaps B-class already (would like a 2nd opinion on that). -- Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 07:14, 24 August 2015 (UTC)
OK, so I am done with PSB. Still there is are a few unreferenced tidbits that need a better source... -- Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 07:55, 23 September 2015 (UTC)
The following was a totally unreferenced section. I am moving it here - feel free to restore, with sources added. -- Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 08:38, 4 September 2015 (UTC)
Bolesław inherited from his father a realm that was close in dimensions to modern-day Poland. It centered on the core of Polanian country, the later Greater Poland (Wielkopolska). Greater Poland encompassed the valley of river Warta, stretched to the north to the Noteć river and to the south it encompassed Kalisz. Outside of this core the nascent Poland included the surrounding areas recently subdued by Bolesław's father, Mieszko I which included: parts of Pomerania to the north, including Kołobrzeg in the west and Gdańsk in the east, Mazovia with its capital at Płock to the east and Silesia to the south-west. It is disputed whether Lesser Poland, centered around Kraków, was incorporated into the Polish realm by Mieszko I before 992 or whether it was added by Bolesław in 999. Either way by the year 1000 Bolesław was the lord of a domain larger than contemporary England, Denmark, León or Burgundy.
I think we can leave it in the lead. It is not a common name for him, but Google Books does show several English and few dozens Polish books using this term, so it's not a hoax. -- Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 07:57, 23 September 2015 (UTC)
There is a move discussion in progress on Talk:Augustus II the Strong which affects this page. Please participate on that page and not in this talk page section. Thank you. — RMCD bot 14:01, 25 April 2020 (UTC)
Why is Jan Matejko's art considered ,,fantasy portrayal"? For example, Walery Eljasz Radzikowski's art of the Piast the Wheelwright is accepted. Both of those artists lived in the same time period, so why is art accepted only from one of them?
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Here is how this individual's name is spelled in English-language reference works. If you have access to other major English-language reference works, please add to this list. Thank you. -- Elonka 00:29, 28 June 2006 (UTC)
The result of the debate was Boleslaw I of Poland, per above consensus poll
The WP:RM entry for this article mentions that consensus was reached. The above poll does not prove consensus in my eyes, as there are too many votes against "Boleslaw I of Poland". It is obvious that "Bolslav I of Poland", the current title, is not preferred, but I would rather a poll with just the two options. So here it is. Thankyou -- liquidGhoul 02:18, 19 July 2006 (UTC)
Poll to rename article to "Boleslaw I of Poland"
Support:
Oppose:
Comments:
Well, we did have consensus, with 5 out of 7 people willing to support "Boleslaw I of Poland". But then SylwiaS came and threw her support behind "Boleslaw I the Brave", which made the numbers 5 out of 8. SylwiaS, Lysy, or Charles, would you be willing to support "Boleslaw I of Poland", to prove consensus? Or do we have to re-vote this entire thing again? -- Elonka 04:38, 19 July 2006 (UTC)
What do you think of 'Boleslaw I the Brave of Poland' as a compromise? I really think that 'the Brave' (Chrobry) is more useful then 'of Poland', but why not have both in the title?-- Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus | talk 23:34, 31 July 2006 (UTC)
I don't know where to put this,
BUT this information :
"In 1015 Bolesław I sent a detachment of Polish horsemen to aid his nephew Canute the Great, son of his sister Swietoslawa, in his conquest of England.[11]"
can not be fund in the mentioned source. I have the book in front of me. Jan Eskildsen 87.57.196.164 ( talk) —Preceding undated comment added 16:28, 2 September 2010 (UTC).
It is not in Davies' book, and it is not in Lawson's book either. So if you can't specify from wheer you have it, delete it. Jan Eskildsen 93.165.30.156 ( talk) 18:23, 7 December 2012 (UTC)
Now it says, that it is in the books God's Playground, which I do not believe. Why is there no page mentioned? Why not mention the original source, if is true? 22:26, 14 September 2014 (UTC)Jan Eskildsen — Preceding unsigned comment added by 87.57.193.238 ( talk)
I heard that Boleslaw introduced some protection of beavers but I cannot cite any sources. If anyone could, I think that the information is worth placing here as that would make him one of pioneers of environmental protection. Zbihniew 23:00, 21 November 2006 (UTC)
I removed the comment that he was the "first real Christian" ruler of Poland as this is a statement of faith rather than one of fact. A person who converts to Christianity is as much a Christian as someone born into the faith. Velkyal ( talk) 12:50, 4 March 2008 (UTC)
Other editors have raised questions about the appropriateness of this redirect. Can we confirm or deny that it is appropriate? This should go to WP:RfD depending on consensus. Enviroboy Talk Cs 19:52, 4 August 2008 (UTC)
While some may be surprised by it, I do prefer the translation of royal nicknames, i.e. Chrobry to Brave, as Brave is much more meaningful to English readers of this article than Chrobry. -- Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| talk 01:29, 13 March 2009 (UTC)
Vojtech was a Czech from a Czech dynasty so his Slavic name should be used primarily. The German name, "Adalbert" should of course be included in parentheses the first time around as Encyclopedic information. radek ( talk) 14:49, 5 July 2009 (UTC)
For WP:POLAND: failed. Reasons: insufficient inline citations. -- Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 06:16, 16 March 2013 (UTC)
English Gbook hits: "Bolesław the Brave" (ca. 50), "Bolesław I the Brave" (35), "Boleslaw the Great" (11), "Bolesław I the Great" (5). Gscholar hits: "Bolesław the Brave" (174), "Bolesław I the Brave" (33), "Bolesław the Great" (21), "Bolesław I the Great" (2). Also note Polish use: Gbooks: "Bolesław Chrobry" (210+) and "Bolesław I Chrobry" (62) vs. "Bolesław Wielki" (179) and "Bolesław I Wielki" (17); Gscholar "Bolesław Wielki" (46) and "Bolesław I Wielki" (4) vs. "Bolesław Chrobry" (1000+) and "Bolesław I Chrobry" (134).-- Zoupan 01:59, 7 August 2015 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: moved to Bolesław I the Brave. Jenks24 ( talk) 10:51, 23 August 2015 (UTC)
Bolesław I Chrobry →
Bolesław the Brave – Common name as per above section.
Zoupan 02:00, 7 August 2015 (UTC) Relisted.
Jenks24 (
talk) 08:08, 15 August 2015 (UTC)
Bolesław the Brave
Bolesław the Brave
Bolesław the Brave
Boleslaw the Brave (Chrobry)
Bolesław the Brave
Bolesław the Brave (Bolesław Chrobry)
Bolesław the Brave
Bolesław the Brave
Bolesław the Brave
I want to thank User:Borsoka for the recent edits. I think it is reasonable to try to aim for a WP:GA here. I have scans of the PSB entry (unfortunately, this being letter B, they are old, from the 1930s, I think). I will try to see if they can help here. We need to lose some unreferenced content, and replace few refs or verify page numbers. This is almost B-class, perhaps B-class already (would like a 2nd opinion on that). -- Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 07:14, 24 August 2015 (UTC)
OK, so I am done with PSB. Still there is are a few unreferenced tidbits that need a better source... -- Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 07:55, 23 September 2015 (UTC)
The following was a totally unreferenced section. I am moving it here - feel free to restore, with sources added. -- Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 08:38, 4 September 2015 (UTC)
Bolesław inherited from his father a realm that was close in dimensions to modern-day Poland. It centered on the core of Polanian country, the later Greater Poland (Wielkopolska). Greater Poland encompassed the valley of river Warta, stretched to the north to the Noteć river and to the south it encompassed Kalisz. Outside of this core the nascent Poland included the surrounding areas recently subdued by Bolesław's father, Mieszko I which included: parts of Pomerania to the north, including Kołobrzeg in the west and Gdańsk in the east, Mazovia with its capital at Płock to the east and Silesia to the south-west. It is disputed whether Lesser Poland, centered around Kraków, was incorporated into the Polish realm by Mieszko I before 992 or whether it was added by Bolesław in 999. Either way by the year 1000 Bolesław was the lord of a domain larger than contemporary England, Denmark, León or Burgundy.
I think we can leave it in the lead. It is not a common name for him, but Google Books does show several English and few dozens Polish books using this term, so it's not a hoax. -- Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 07:57, 23 September 2015 (UTC)
There is a move discussion in progress on Talk:Augustus II the Strong which affects this page. Please participate on that page and not in this talk page section. Thank you. — RMCD bot 14:01, 25 April 2020 (UTC)
Why is Jan Matejko's art considered ,,fantasy portrayal"? For example, Walery Eljasz Radzikowski's art of the Piast the Wheelwright is accepted. Both of those artists lived in the same time period, so why is art accepted only from one of them?