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Dear Floquenbeam/Archive 11,
I'd like to extend a cordial invitation to you to join the Ten Year Society, an informal group for editors who've been participating in the Wikipedia project for ten years or more.
Best regards, Chris Troutman ( talk) 23:27, 13 August 2018 (UTC)
... and thanks for the hard work you've put into wiki over the last 10 years! I'm heartened to see that you're still floquating around: sustaining the level of energy you were expending is, however, all but impossible to keep up without burning out. Take care of yourself, and a general 'hi' from me.
! --
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I have been wikignoming recently, and while bored went to WP:ANI and made this contribution and earlier. I am now attempting to look for details of Betacommands ban, but am chasing my mangy and aged tail. If you could reply here or on my talkpage before I stumble across it myself, I would be grateful. LessHeard vanU ( talk) 17:42, 14 August 2018 (UTC) (ps - wasn't Oversight the pits? It was for me...)
something consider if you arent Wikipedia:Service awards JarrahTree 14:50, 20 August 2018 (UTC)
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.No reason to clog up the ban discussion with this, but the way I read Wikipedia:Sock puppetry, "block evasion" is one specific type of sockpuppetry, while "multiple accounts at the same time" is another form of sockpuppetry. Basically, sockpuppetry is having over your career multiple accounts for illegitimate reasons, no matter if these are parallel, sequential, or both. So I don't think that you are correct when you claim that "sock puppetry and block evasion are technically different", but it's not really helpful if I would add that to the ANI discussion... Fram ( talk) 14:42, 6 September 2018 (UTC)
In this particular context, I'm concerned that this thread might be closed before everyone has had an opportunity to state the exact same opinion 2 more times
seems a trifle unfair. Multiple people all of the same opinion is how we judge whether that opinion has consensus or not; if the close had been challenged and nobody—or only one person—defended, it would be quite legitimate to say that the close was out-of-process and should be reverted. ‑
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[2] It's just plain funny. ᛗᛁᛟᛚᚾᛁᚱPants Tell me all about it. 19:36, 11 September 2018 (UTC)
I still think it was a valid question to ask. Determining consensus on Wikipedia is one of those things that seems to make nobody happy, and "within admin discretion" is such a wide, all encompassing zone. Mr Ernie ( talk) 19:22, 13 September 2018 (UTC)
Thanks for your comments regarding Yom Kippur. I do agree with you about your comment. How do we go about changing the policy? At the very least certain "major" holidays should be afforded front page status unless it's really terrible. Sir Joseph (talk) 18:44, 20 September 2018 (UTC)
I already thanked Kirbanzo and offered the editor a hug (via an edit summary, sneakily enough tehehe).
I kinda got when I posted that proposal that Most editors would oppose as not feasible (legitimate) or some silliness.
That said, I don't believe I made any wrong statements or made any proposals that couldn't ONE DAY get realized.
I would like a real response, so I'd like to re-open. I believe I pose very legitimate criticisms.
If for no other reason, editors would surely benefit from the opportunity to ponder about wikipedia's weaknesses.
I asked Kirbanzo for the okay, but in case I don't get a response:
Can you give me the okay to re-open that proposal at least for a little while to see if a constructive discussion sparks?
Thank you for your involvement, and your caring!
Eaterjolly ( talk) 00:22, 29 September 2018 (UTC)
I noticed the notice - "not here" - but hope that you are because of this. Whoever it is, they're not giving up, despite the warnings and explanations. - Sitush ( talk) 06:00, 4 October 2018 (UTC)
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Hi, thanks for your edits on Ana María Campos. The Resistance Campaign section outlines the whole story, including date of arrest and by whom, and the Torture and Death section goes into detail. Perhaps the text should be streamlined so it isn't so repetitive. Yoninah ( talk) 01:11, 17 October 2018 (UTC)
You'll be interested to see this SPI report, where the username similarities and behavioral evidence are certain; it's an open-and-shut case to me. I didn't want to update the block you applied without your prior approval, however, since you added a very descriptive rationale in the block reason. Let me know what you'd like me to do (ping me). Cheers - ~Oshwah~ (talk) (contribs) 13:03, 18 October 2018 (UTC)
Hi. I hope you are well. If you dont mind, can you tell in which age group you are? Like 20's, 30's, 70's, 80's, 120's? Please feel free to say "no", but if you answer, kindly dont lie —usernamekiran (talk) 23:42, 25 October 2018 (UTC)
You and I have had our differences on occasions, yes. But nothing that changes my opinion that you are one of the admins that we need to have around. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง ( talk) 07:22, 26 October 2018 (UTC)
May I ask - once so capable admins are in sight - that someone please close the RfC on Talk:Arvo Pärt? The one who iniated it already made the change that most want, - no point to keep it open. -- Gerda Arendt ( talk) 20:51, 26 October 2018 (UTC)
...I'd be pressing it hard for this one. Thryduulf ( talk) 21:29, 19 October 2018 (UTC)
Great edit summary Floq. This should bring a smile. I know Andy K's version is out there but I prefer the original. Cheers. MarnetteD| Talk 17:40, 30 October 2018 (UTC)
Since you were involved with Special:Diff/866655500, I'd suggest keeping an eye at List of TCP and UDP port numbers edit history and the behavior of both parties. 84.250.17.211 ( talk) 15:42, 1 November 2018 (UTC)
I went ahead and followed the directions that you provided.
I included link references to the New York District Attorney office press release, which was referenced on Wikipedia in the past. It's just strange to me that her main description doesn't mention that fact that she's facing six counts of grand larceny or anything about her alleged criminal conduct whatsoever. That seems like kind of an important aspect of her life description to me.
She wasn't even an actual socialite as some Wikipedia publishers seem to think...
Anyways, thank you for the helpful response.
Astro7770 ( talk) 18:37, 31 October 2018 (UTC)
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Might I recommend a block here? He removed your comment from the talk page. I reverted him but the dude is clearly not here to build an encyclopedia. -- Tarage ( talk) 23:27, 8 November 2018 (UTC)
By that time someone else will probably be AAG valereee ( talk) 19:33, 9 November 2018 (UTC)
Not that it matters but I just wanted to clarify I have no idea what the heck he meant by "doxing on social media". I wasn't even aware he HAD a social media... -- Tarage ( talk) 19:40, 15 November 2018 (UTC)
(that's what I read on top, not looking closely ;) ) - DYK that Sam Korn was declared awesome 10 years ago, and I can't tell him because the talk is protected, and a little bird told me that's not needed any more? -- Gerda Arendt ( talk) 19:20, 18 November 2018 (UTC)
I just wanted to formally approve of you unblocking both users. I don't consider either on to be a "rogue unblock" in the least. Have a good one. Jauerback dude?/ dude. 16:04, 23 November 2018 (UTC)
I want to undo this page to my latest. The current version is not relevant anymore and needs updating. Also, I'm intending to add more contents about the district geography, population, etc. Cn5900 ( talk) 02:28, 23 November 2018 (UTC)
Excuse me, but surely something needs to be done about this sort of thing from Flyer22 Reborn. Your comment on my talk page seems to contradict what she's saying, and she's not going to stop spreading around the idea that I was reprimanded for doing something egregious and am on the edge of a block. Curly "JFC" Turkey 🍁 ¡gobble! 23:10, 26 November 2018 (UTC)
Thanks for this edit, but you inadvertently removed the bolding. Please fix before it hits the main page. Cheers, - Zanhe ( talk) 23:35, 28 November 2018 (UTC)
... or not is not the question, living memory is. -- Gerda Arendt ( talk) 15:02, 28 November 2018 (UTC)
Flo - your comment aroused my curiosity because if my oppose was one of the 5 you found "kind of nuts, and I don't want to look like I'm part of that", I'd like to know so I can improve my arguments. Atsme ✍🏻 📧 16:33, 30 November 2018 (UTC)
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Now, since I satisfied the two initial complainers (Azdaja and Surtsicna) who based their complaints on the lack of sources, what's the problem now? I understand now that I can't refer to other Wikipedia pages as a source, but changing that and having the information in the text in regard - what would possibly be a reasonable, additional reason to delete these facts? I want an answer from a factual perspective about the actual text, not a problem about references and other thing that are no problem fixing — Preceding unsigned comment added by Filipjako ( talk • contribs) 22:59, 3 December 2018 (UTC)
I'm sorry I lost my temper. - Dank ( push to talk) 22:59, 30 November 2018 (UTC)
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For consistent exercise of good judgement, and acting to defuse minor conflicts (that weren't going anywhere anyway), I award you with a diplomat's barnstar. And not just because "per" me ;)
I rarely think to thank people for positive actions; not so rarely to chide them for negative ones. If the good were rewarded as often as the bad condemned, there might very well be less bitterness manifesting in minutia. Mr rnddude ( talk) 08:53, 5 December 2018 (UTC) |
Why thank you, @ Mr rnddude:, that's kind of you to say. I wonder which noticeboard WP:Bitterness manifesting in minutia should be a redirect for; maybe it needs to be a disambiguation page to multiple noticeboards... -- Floquenbeam ( talk) 21:42, 5 December 2018 (UTC)
Hi there, I'm inexperienced with tagging things for deletion and only vaguely up to date with policy for deleting content. So I was wondering if you could take a look at something which I think is suspicious? I've removed one of the user's non-notable list entry contributions from the main-space but now they've started adding suspected self promotional material to their user page. The user page is: User:The_Real_Steele. Thank you in advance. -=Troop=- ( talk) 22:10, 5 December 2018 (UTC)
DYK Tönet, ihr Pauken!, which they shall do today ;) -- Gerda Arendt ( talk) 13:25, 8 December 2018 (UTC)
I don't much care whether Aspentsi is banned or not, but I don't see how you can close a ban discussion when so many people have already voted (support rather overwhelmingly) just because you think it's dumb. I strongly urge you to revert your closure.-- Bbb23 ( talk) 23:47, 8 December 2018 (UTC)
Welcome to the Well-Meaning Fuckup Club, Floq. Our next meeting starts at 6:00, but if you get there at 5:53 you will be asked to leave and come back at 6:00, or 7:15, or 11:30, or next February. 28bytes ( talk) 16:27, 9 December 2018 (UTC)
Have fun! <3, Writ Keeper ⚇ ♔ 15:04, 12 December 2018 (UTC)
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Wishing you and yours a Happy Holiday Season, from the horse and bishop person. May the year ahead be productive and troll-free. Ealdgyth - Talk 16:56, 18 December 2018 (UTC) |
Thanks, Ealdgyth, my best to you and yours in 2019. -- Floquenbeam ( talk) 15:27, 21 December 2018 (UTC)
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Hello Floq, Early in A Child's Christmas in Wales the young Dylan and his friend Jim Prothero witness smoke pouring from Jim's home. After the conflagration has been extinguished Dylan writes that My thanks to you for your efforts to keep the 'pedia readable in case the firemen chose one of our articles :-) Best wishes to you and yours and happy editing in 2019. MarnetteD| Talk 20:47, 18 December 2018 (UTC) |
Instead of presents 🎁 this year...I'm giving everyone my opinion. Get excited!!! 😂 Atsme ✍🏻 📧 02:40, 15 December 2018 (UTC)
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Wishing you all the best for x-mass, hope it is a time of, some but not too much, cheer. Giving this as a "voice of reason 2018" award. Ceoil ( talk) 22:28, 23 December 2018 (UTC) |
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-- Gerda Arendt ( talk) 18:17, 1 January 2019 (UTC)
Hi Floquenbeam. I'm contacting you since you imposed the original block on USN007 from Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/IncidentArchive994#Legal threats. USN007 was blocked for sockpuppetry for editing while logged out, but originally came to attention at AN/I for borderline legal threats. Recently, another anonymous user, 108.178.78.26, has responded to a talk page thread created by USN007's previously associated IP. That anonymous user has also made related edits at Circle jerk and Wikipedia_talk:Spam#Trademark_issues. The edits are not constructive, and the behavior strongly suggests block evasion by USN007 and, if you agree, I think a block of the IP may be appropriate. Thanks. -- Bsherr ( talk) 03:05, 4 January 2019 (UTC)
I am telling you because you interacted previously with user User:AveTory. I think he definitely has a problem with BLP policy. I talked with him before, talked now, but without much success [4], [5]. Well, I do not care too much and can leave "his" version of a page about a Ukrainian presidential candidate, but his recent addition is definitely not consistent with our BLP requirements in my opinion. My very best wishes ( talk) 18:21, 8 January 2019 (UTC)
If you have a moment, check out User:Gerda Arendt/Images 2019 (formerly Christmas), for a smile, and sharing (a Nobel Peace Prize), and resolutions. I wanted that for 1 January, but then wasn't sad about having our music pictured instead. Not too late for resolutions, New Year or not. DYK that he probably kept me on Wikipedia, back in 2012? By the line (which brought him to my attention, and earned the first precious in br'erly style) that I added to my editnotice, in fond memory? -- Gerda Arendt ( talk) 17:03, 12 January 2019 (UTC)
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It is on the most frequently used emoji list on my phone. In part thanks to IRC cloud and Wikipedia. TonyBallioni ( talk) 16:47, 13 January 2019 (UTC)
Hi and thanks for your move on this page. Yours, LouisAlain ( talk) 16:57, 18 January 2019 (UTC)
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... for the rescue where I complained about lost content! Back from vacation -- Gerda Arendt ( talk) 07:29, 31 January 2019 (UTC)
I can't even spell your name right in an apology edit summary. Bad morning.-- Bbb23 ( talk) 19:43, 31 January 2019 (UTC)
Hi, I noticed you blocked Anaxagoras13 in 2017 for "frequent inappropriate accusations of vandalism". He is up to it again by attacking my edits as vandalism. As seen here [7], [8] and [9]. Can something be done about this? Sportsfan 1234 ( talk) 16:17, 31 January 2019 (UTC)
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come across Guy's thread over ANI aprior to my actions. Curiously, I see that the one who closed it thanked me, for my edit. Being bold is usually good (though probably stupid on my part, given that he was blocked and ranting semi-coherently) and, it won't harm to assume some good faith. Cheers. ∯WBG converse 20:17, 5 February 2019 (UTC)
Please help out, trying to revert to the original text while there's at least two users who are editing away some terms with a clear agenda (since those terms are factual and not directly provocative)
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Filipjako ( talk) 15:18, 6 February 2019 (UTC)
Hi Floquenbeam. I would take a look at the history of vandalism from this IP account over the last few weeks/months. I think a block longer than 7 days is needed? Kind regards. Britishfinance ( talk) 22:18, 7 February 2019 (UTC)
Hi,
Just dropping you a note to let you know I had to block this user. We received a report at AIV from Gaelan regarding their behaviour. I read your notice on their talk page and blocked them for one month. At least they're now reading their talk page. Feel free to undo me if you think the block is wrong -- 5 albert square ( talk) 22:26, 12 February 2019
Welcome to Wikipedia. Although everyone is welcome to contribute constructively to the encyclopedia, we would like to remind you not to attack yourself, as you did on WP:ERRORS. Please comment on the contributions and not yourself. If you make any further self-attacks you may have to report yourself to yourself, which may result in a self-block. Thank you. MANdARAX • XAЯAbИAM 23:09, 14 February 2019 (UTC)
After my recon-by-fire came up negative at 89.32.123.60, I thought we were treeless. Dlohcierekim (talk) 01:13, 20 February 2019 (UTC)
Re: "I have generally shared JzG's exasperation with B2C's general approach..."
I welcome suggestions/advice/critique at any time. Thank you. -- В²C ☎ 19:36, 27 February 2019 (UTC)
Hi, Floq! Just so you know (in case you missed my comment elsewhere), I am no longer mentoring IW. I had told him I wouldn't be able to help him if he didn't listen to my advice, and he flatly rejected my advice to stop throwing GA articles into GA-review (I see he has even done it with an FA now). Direct quote, from his talk page: "It doesn't really matter how many of them don't want me to review." A mentee (is that a word?) has to be willing to accept advice, so I have withdrawn my offer to mentor him. In other words, any time you think he needs a warning or a block, no need to consult me; I will not be standing in the way. -- MelanieN ( talk) 21:34, 27 February 2019 (UTC)
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Really? The font is only 12pt which I figured to be pretty standard... seems to be the same size as the rest of the text for me? I really didn't expect this to be an issue for anyone :( Ben · Salvidrim! ✉ 14:58, 12 March 2019 (UTC)
Pedantic I know, but I don't think I noticed the header of that query, just the text of the query itself. Jo-Jo Eumerus ( talk, contributions) 20:57, 12 March 2019 (UTC)
Hello, I'm Jax 0677. I noticed that you made a comment on the page User_talk:MelanieN#March_2019 that didn't seem very civil, so it has been removed. Wikipedia is built on collaboration, so it's one of our core principles to interact with one another in a polite and respectful manner. If you have any questions, you can leave me a message on my talk page. Thank you. -- Jax 0677 ( talk) 15:58, 14 March 2019 (UTC)
Hello, I'm Ritchie333. I noticed you called another editor a fuckwit, which didn't seem very unambigious, so it has been queried. Wikipedia is built on collaboration, so it's one of my core principles to enquire whether you were referring to "fuckwit" to mean "A very stupid person" or "A contemptible person." If you have any questions, you can leave a message on Jimbo's talk page, where the issue will be debated to death by people who've got too much time on their hands. Meanwhile, I have found the video you requested here. Thank you. Ritchie333 (talk) (cont) 16:54, 14 March 2019 (UTC)
Wikipedia:Don't make a smarmy valediction part of your default signature, a page which you created or substantially contributed to, has been nominated for deletion. Your opinions on the matter are welcome; you may participate in the discussion by adding your comments at Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/Wikipedia:Don't make a smarmy valediction part of your default signature and please be sure to sign your comments with four tildes (~~~~). You are free to edit the content of Wikipedia:Don't make a smarmy valediction part of your default signature during the discussion but should not remove the miscellany for deletion template from the top of the page; such a removal will not end the deletion discussion. Thank you. Jc86035 ( talk) 14:26, 18 March 2019 (UTC)
Hi. Many thanks for the revdel on this article. Lugnuts Fire Walk with Me 09:09, 19 March 2019 (UTC)
Sorry you ended up involved. I like to include a little humour in my talk page contributions to try and avoid people taking things personally, I clearly need to add a disclaimer in a signature for my next "tirade". Koncorde ( talk) 23:28, 19 March 2019 (UTC)
If I post a brief statement here, would you be willing to proxy it to WP:AE for me? This would be keeping in line with my years-long personal policy of having zero direct interaction with a certain user. I'll admit the request is unorthodox, but I don't see it as harmful or potentially controversial. Thanks. Joefromrandb ( talk) 16:35, 25 March 2019 (UTC)
(Note: I am posting this at User talk:Floquenbeam and asking him to copy it to WP:AE. I have taken this unusual step for the sole purpose of continuing to, as I have for years, voluntarily refrain from any interaction with the filer of this report. It should not be taken as a slight against readers of this page by refusing to answer directly, nor should it been seen as an endorsement of the content by Floquenbeam.)
In short: mea culpa. I let my frustration get the better of me. I should have stopped after the first revert and left it to others to correct the errors I found. Going forward I will strive to do so in the future. I do feel the need to note that the complainant in the AN3 report was my counterpart in the edit war. That doesn't exonerate me, nor does it mitigate my culpability in edit-warring. Still, I have to say I find it outrageous for a user who performed three reverts within a period of several hours to show up at AN3 acting like the injured party. It's true, I broke WP:3RR and he did not. However, as far as both the spirit and the letter of Wikipedia's overall policy on edit-warring goes, he was every bit as guilty as I. Whatever the case, I acknowledge my part in this edit war, and pledge to strive to refrain from such behavior in the future. This is an isolated incident, occurring more than six months after I resumed editing following the ArbCom block. I don't see a new block being particularly productive, but of course, that's not for me to decide. Joefromrandb ( talk) 23:48, 25 March 2019 (UTC)
They sometimes don't get notified - it's a known software bug. Boing! said Zebedee ( talk) 00:51, 26 March 2019 (UTC)
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... is the birthday of de:Jörg Streli, at least where you are. Shown on the German Main page, in fond memory. - Above, you find my latest travel pics, below some musical plans. Come 1 September for the Monteverdi Vespers. -- Gerda Arendt ( talk) 23:30, 26 March 2019 (UTC)
remember the link and look from time to time because we really should have better pics than this -- Gerda Arendt ( talk) 15:58, 27 March 2019 (UTC)
Now, there's gonna be a huge swell of people all jumping to run the RfA gauntlet just so as they can...
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You immediately resumed the behavior that led to the previous block. Watch it. Also, congratulations on the the AN close, very nice. Bishonen | talk 16:05, 5 May 2019 (UTC).
FYI diff was after your close. it was another bizarre hostile comment, considering my user page is very easy to find. Thanks -- Fæ ( talk) 15:39, 6 May 2019 (UTC)
This looks like trying to needle after the ANI closing. [ [10]] Springee ( talk) 23:25, 6 May 2019 (UTC)
There is currently a discussion at Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard regarding an issue with which you may have been involved. The thread is " Review of closure that appears to invent new policy out of nowhere". Thank you. — SMcCandlish ☏ ¢ 😼 02:24, 7 May 2019 (UTC)
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For finding a reasonable way to close a contentious dispute that was partly about pronouns and partly about two editors, and was partly policy and partly conduct. Robert McClenon ( talk) 17:38, 7 May 2019 (UTC) |
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Hi, don't want to be a target of personal criticism, so here is a completely neutral note that this has happened. Thanks -- Fæ ( talk) 14:09, 8 May 2019 (UTC)
Posting this here because I don't know where else I would post it (apart from Guy Macon's talk page, but he's made it clear he doesn't want to talk to me) – I want to acknowledge that while I don't think Guy Macon was acting appropriately with regard to Fæ's pronouns (which in turn, in my view, means he also wasn't acting appropriately in regard to my pronouns: as my user page notes, I also prefer they/them pronouns), I do think I was a little hotheaded throughout the process and I want to apologize for that. I should've tried opening a dialogue with Guy on his talk page before going to ANI, I should've been a little more careful and thoughtful with the wording of the ANI, and I shouldn't have posted anything to Guy's talk page afterwards without being much more thoughtful about it. WanderingWanda ( talk) 16:08, 8 May 2019 (UTC)
I have just seen the final version of the AN discussion on Legacypac. I think you did an excellent job of bringing a hopelessly confused and incoherent discussion to the best close that was possible under the circumstances. JamesBWatson ( talk) 11:38, 9 May 2019 (UTC)
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Just a note about this [ [11]]. Slatersteven ( talk) 12:27, 9 May 2019 (UTC)
Floquenbeam do you think my sandbox section about Fae is unacceptable, if so I will remove it. Slatersteven ( talk) 13:27, 9 May 2019 (UTC)
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Admin don't just make "difficult blocks", they also make difficult unblocks and difficult closes. You've been quietly taking on a lot of difficult admin tasks lately–thoughtful closes of encyclopedia-length discussions, quick responses to real-time urgent situations–and doing it in a way that shows sound judgment and a desire to do what's best for the community and the project. Thank you for the good work. Leviv ich 15:50, 10 May 2019 (UTC) |
Why thank you, @ Levivich:, what a kind thing to say. -- Floquenbeam ( talk) 17:10, 10 May 2019 (UTC)
Never fix the printer, lest you become The One What Fixes The Printer. Writ Keeper ⚇ ♔ 14:45, 9 May 2019 (UTC)
Bishzilla breathes a puff of atomic deathray at the little Bbb23 from close range. Looks at smoldering remains with some concern. Stuffs them in pocket.] Oops. Feel better, little user! bishzilla ROARR!! pocket 19:00, 10 May 2019 (UTC). (See how well Zilla gadget work?)
Hi! Based on your comment and your close message, you seem unhappy with the thread I opened, but I'm having trouble understanding why. Can you explain a bit more what I should have done differently? Isa ( talk) 19:51, 14 May 2019 (UTC)
The Real Life Barnstar | |
You handled that real life situation with a deft touch. 7&6=thirteen ( ☎) 21:19, 15 May 2019 (UTC) |
Well, we'll see. All they have to do is post the same thing again and I'll have egg all over my face. But thanks much for the kind words. -- Floquenbeam ( talk) 21:22, 15 May 2019 (UTC)
Hi there, do I understand correctly you do some IP and range blocking to address block evasion? Would you mind looking into recent edit warring at User talk:Awilley? Thanks in advance. R2 ( bleep) 21:02, 23 May 2019 (UTC)
Re: this despite my general nitpickery (stick-in-the-muddery?), you're free to move any of my comments or correct any typos or whatever whenever :) Also, for range blocks just go here copy and paste the IPs in question in (it can include User: in front of it) and it will tell you want the range is. TonyBallioni ( talk) 20:58, 23 May 2019 (UTC)
I just was removing vandalism and came across that was he threatening me ? my first time with that kind of situation was kind of lost with that Jack90s15 ( talk) 01:49, 6 June 2019 (UTC)
News and updates for administrators from the past month (May 2019).
Regarding Wikipedia:Community response to Wikimedia Foundation's ban of Fram: throwing yourself under the bus is both brave and understandable, but this may not be the right bus. What happens if Fram diffuses tensions by agreeing not to edit WP until the present crisis is resolved, in exchange for an unblock? What happens if Jimbo, or the board, or someone else steps in and puts things on hold? If there are just a few casualties (such as you) and then there's a sudden lull, then maybe everything will turn out fine ... or, maybe, to make a point, the WMF will insist that the casualties stay dead. Food for thought. (Feel free to delete this message if you don't want the drama spilling over onto your talk page.) - Dank ( push to talk) 14:55, 11 June 2019 (UTC)
You made me post from my phone, which I hate! Yeah, the problem is that the meeting is interesting; I wouldn't mind so much if you were distracting me from a meeting about TPS reports (oh good, I typed "TPS" and predictive text knew what I was going for). I've always been impressed with your willingness to go ahead and get shit done, in cases where I'd still be hemming and hawing. I can't say "you guys should wait because there's significant progress happening behind the scenes" but I can say "I dont think this is likely to prompt any new progress, and might actually reinforce some bad ideas some people have". Opabinia externa ( talk) 19:05, 11 June 2019 (UTC)
[13] Black Kite (talk) 19:02, 11 June 2019 (UTC)
The Admin's Barnstar | |
Going against the opinion of those one might see as superiors is an action that ought to be merited with plaudits. Please accept this barnstar as but one of many. — Javert2113 ( Siarad.| ¤) 19:46, 11 June 2019 (UTC) |
Couldn't find the whiskey, sorry. Best of luck mate, whatever happens. —— SerialNumber 54129 19:02, 11 June 2019 (UTC) |
The Defender of the Wiki Barnstar | |
Thank you for your actions! Huldra ( talk) 20:06, 11 June 2019 (UTC) |
The Special Barnstar | |
Your unblocking of Fram is not only brave but it's also very much appreciated so thank you, If I could I would give you all of the beers in the world and then some!, |
The Special Barnstar | |
However this ends, I stand with you. EclipseDude ( Chase Totality) 20:14, 11 June 2019 (UTC) |
The Socratic Barnstar | ||
You are an outstanding credit to the world we work in, and, for setting this precedent Wikipedia for as long as it survives will remain indebted to you. Nishidani ( talk) 21:11, 11 June 2019 (UTC) |
The Defender of the Wiki Barnstar | |
Good move. Brave, possibly foolhardy, but if you have to go through RfA again I'll be adding a strong support for you doing the right thing. Cheers - SchroCat ( talk) 19:40, 11 June 2019 (UTC) |
All of the above, with bells on. -- bonadea contributions talk 19:52, 11 June 2019 (UTC)
Yeah, yeah, another award. I know you're being flooded with these. I appreciate your willingness to potentially sacrifice yourself for the good of the wiki, though, and I thought that deserved a reward. Thanks for your amazing adminning. -A lad insane (Channel 2) 21:23, 11 June 2019 (UTC) |
Got you a beer. I'm actually in a secret cabal, and will block you in a half an hour from a never-before used WMF account, so get ready for that. Don't worry--I won't explain why. In the meantime, enjoy. Thanks Floq. Drmies ( talk) 22:21, 11 June 2019 (UTC) |
The Admin's Barnstar | |
In recognition of what is probably the boldest admin action I've ever known. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง ( talk) 23:31, 11 June 2019 (UTC) |
The Defender of the Wiki Barnstar | ||
I support you standing up to the WMF. Benjamin ( talk) 00:54, 12 June 2019 (UTC) |
The Admin's Barnstar | |
Yeah I know, Another damn barnstar- but I've been meaning to give you this for a while. Consistently, I've seen you as the most level headed, brave, and genius editors on the site. 💵Money💵emoji💵 💸 02:17, 12 June 2019 (UTC) |
The Barnstar of Good Humor | |
In addition to the bravery and forthrightness noted by many above, you have handled this with an inspirational level of goof humor, given the circumstances. bd2412 T 02:52, 12 June 2019 (UTC) |
I have very little idea what's going on, but congratulations on decisive and brave action. Yngvadottir ( talk) 23:58, 11 June 2019 (UTC)
The Barnstar of Integrity | ||
Thank you for acting in the best tradition of the Wikipedia admins. Nick Thorne talk 03:42, 12 June 2019 (UTC) |
The Defender of the Wiki Barnstar | |
I think you can guess what this is for by now. — pythoncoder ( talk | contribs) 04:18, 12 June 2019 (UTC) |
The Admin's Barnstar | |
Thank you very much. Oshawott 12 ==()== Talk to me! 04:32, 12 June 2019 (UTC) |
The Barnstar of Diplomacy | |
There are never good reasons to compromise on obvious truth. Thanks for sticking to facts. Fæ ( talk) 06:55, 12 June 2019 (UTC) |
The Admin's Barnstar | |
I don't know if you know, but you've been listed at User:Swarm/recall#Users who can simply request the removal of my admin rights since I was promoted in 2011. I've long since forgotten why I felt that you belonged in that list in 2011. But you have reminded me why you were one of the users I trusted and respected most in those earlier days. MelanieN stole my sentiments—you are a hero. I've never had that thought about anyone throughout my career here, and I quite genuinely mean that right now. Don't doubt that you did the right thing. If a new RfA will be required, it will be my honor to wholeheartedly support, if not nominate you (though I know the line for co-noms will be disgustingly long). Thanks for all you've done and especially for what you did today. Best, ~Swarm~ {sting} 07:18, 12 June 2019 (UTC) |
The Admin's Barnstar | |
For standing up for the community in the face of personal cost, thank you, Floquenbeam. starship .paint ( talk) 07:35, 12 June 2019 (UTC) |
The Admin's Barnstar | ||
Reading what happened in this whole mess, and this is absolutely deserved barnstar for such a brave act. Kudos. Jovanmilic97 ( talk) 07:43, 12 June 2019 (UTC) |
Bravery Barnstar. | ||
A courageous action for sure. You have my vote should you need another RfA! In losing the Mop, you've shown us all that you were truly worthy of the Mop. Captain Eek Edits Ho Cap'n! ⚓ 08:37, 12 June 2019 (UTC) |
Barnstar of Integrity | |
Thank you for your personal sacrifice in the service of good and right. |
I was going to give you another Defender of the Wiki barnstar, but then I thought which would I rather have, a barnstar or a brownie and realized there was no contest! Doug Weller talk 11:30, 12 June 2019 (UTC) |
Hey Floq. I don't do barnstars, but you have earned 12 points. Spend them wisely. While proxying for a blocked user is of course a no no, you are not blocked, just temporarily de-adminned, therefore if you find any admin tasks what need doing over the next 29 days and 14 hours or so, feel free to ping me. Fish+ Karate 10:39, 12 June 2019 (UTC)
First, I'm really embarrassed about the mass of messages above. I mean thanks, but... geez. Anyone who can't stand a month without the admin bit is a little too attached to it anyway. I was fairly sure I'd get a slap on the wrist; the person/people who unblock Fram after this are much braver than I was.
I should have let Bish go first after all; while it might be bluster, WMF is making it sound like they'll deal more harshly with anyone else who unblocks Fram. Wikipedia will be worse off without her than without me, especially if she's not an admin for a long time while I'm only in the doghouse for a month. Bish is a grownup and can do whatever she wants - pretty sure I know what that will be once she wakes up - but I will certainly not be seeking to regain the admin bit until everyone who is desysopped for unblocking Fram is resysopped (if they want to be). Whether it's just Bish, or a half dozen admins, or all the admins; it isn't up to me anymore.
I will say to whoever wrote the WMFOffice message about my desysop, the insinuation that I might be tempted to evade this is deeply insulting wait, no, it's deeply puzzling. How, exactly, would I go about "attempting to evade the sanctions announced against me today"? Unless you mean using
User:Aardvark Floquenbeam to resysop myself. OK, fair warning, I won't do that. {{
eyeroll emoji}} --
Floquenbeam (
talk) 02:27, 12 June 2019 (UTC)
The same applies for any attempts made by Floquenbeam to evade the sanctions announced against them today or by attempts by others to override that sanction" and I kinda conflated both into "resysopping Floq" since the only attempt to evade from you I could think of was "requesting resysopping". :p Ben · Salvidrim! ✉ 02:41, 12 June 2019 (UTC)
The Special Barnstar | |
I'm not sure that I agree with what you did, but I appreciate that you did what you could to defend your values. StudiesWorld ( talk) 19:49, 11 June 2019 (UTC) |
...but still <insert primal scream here>. You are now truly the deposed King from Ashara Kor. -- Jezebel's Ponyo bons mots 16:02, 12 June 2019 (UTC)
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Thank you for standing up for the community. ~ Awilley ( talk) 17:07, 12 June 2019 (UTC) |
See Wikipedia:Village pump (proposals)#Allow bureaucrats to quickly re-sysop admins temporarily de-sysoped by WMF for carrying out out community consensus. Cheers! bd2412 T 19:34, 12 June 2019 (UTC)
Redeemable for a real one if you're ever in the neighbourhood. Every admin action carries with it the chance of a desysop. You did what you thought was right, and that's all anyone can do. Hawkeye7 (discuss) 21:52, 12 June 2019 (UTC) |
The Tank Man Award | |
You did it. You put yourself out there and you got their attention. And maybe, just maybe, even a start toward a resolution. You are a hero today. MelanieN ( talk) 19:26, 11 June 2019 (UTC) |
Well now you're just embarrassing me. On a good day I have 1/100,000 the courage that guy had. Please don't say stuff like that. I mean, thanks, of course, but please don't. Some might interpret that as evidence my motivation is personal attention-seeking. -- Floquenbeam ( talk) 19:32, 11 June 2019 (UTC)
I see no valid reason for the removal of your administrator rights, which were granted to you by the enwiki community. ArbCom has not mandated their removal. I have accordingly restored them. Fuller reasons for my actions can be found at WP:BN WJBscribe (talk) 23:37, 12 June 2019 (UTC)
Whew what times we live in Floq. In an attempt to bring a small amount of levity to the day I'll mention that WJBscribe has a user box mentioning that they live in London so any post on their talk page should spell it honourable :-) If my joke falls flat and is annoying you please remove it post haste. MarnetteD| Talk 23:56, 12 June 2019 (UTC)
I just don't have the energy to reply individually. I'm glad I unblocked Fram. I acknowledged before I did it that I'd be sad to be desysopped, but at peace with it, and I am: sad yet at peace. Still, can't say I'm motivated right now to be as active as I would have to be to reply to each of you. Plus I'm a little embarrassed at the attention and some of the more over-the-top phrasing. But I don't want it to look like I don't appreciate the kind words and thoughts. Especially when I reply to some people and not others. That's mostly a reflection on whether I happened to be doing something at the very moment I got the orange bar, or if I saw something particularly funny or raising an interesting question. So thanks everybody. I do appreciate it, whether it looks that way or not. -- Floquenbeam ( talk) 22:22, 12 June 2019 (UTC)
For if you put me to death, you will not easily find another, who, to use a rather absurd figure, attaches himself to the city as a gadfly to a horse, which, though large and well bred, is sluggish on account of his size and needs to be aroused by stinging. I think the god fastened me upon the city in some such capacity, and I go about arousing, (προσκείμενον τῇ πόλει ὑπὸ τοῦ θεοῦ ὥσπερ ἵππῳ μεγάλῳ μὲν καὶ γενναίῳ, ὑπὸ μεγέθους δὲ νωθεστέρῳ καὶ δεομένῳ ἐγείρεσθαι ὑπὸ μύωπός τινος, οἷον δή μοι δοκεῖ ὁ θεὸς ἐμὲ τῇ πόλει προστεθηκέναι τοιοῦτόν τινα, ὃς ὑμᾶς ἐγείρων καὶ πείθων καὶ ὀνειδίζων ἕνα ἕκαστον )
The Admin's Barnstar | ||
For standing up for the community and unblocking User:Fram Afootpluto ( talk) 22:18, 14 June 2019 (UTC) |
The Admin's Barnstar | ||
When you were given the choice between protecting your titles and privileges and advocating for the community, you chose the latter. CoffeeCrumbs ( talk) 00:46, 15 June 2019 (UTC) |
For your awe-inspiring unblock of Fram. 67.164.113.165 ( talk) 02:21, 15 June 2019 (UTC)
Hi Floq!
I'm a reporter at BuzzFeed News and I'd like to speak with you about the Fram situation for a story I'm considering. If you have a moment, I'm joe.bernstein@buzzfeed.com or [redacted phone number]. Sorry for the inelegant way of reaching out to you — but I wasn't sure how to otherwise!
All best,
Joe — Preceding unsigned comment added by JosephABernstein ( talk • contribs) 15:05, 17 June 2019 (UTC)
Done-- Floquenbeam ( talk) 17:23, 19 June 2019 (UTC)
Based on your comments at the top of the page, I'm considering blocking you as NOTHERE, ALMOSTNOTHERE, and/or/but INCOUNTENANCE. This is your final warning (until the next warning, which may not be placed HERE).-- Bbb23 ( talk) 15:34, 3 June 2019 (UTC)
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Freundliche Vision |
There's the cabal of the outcasts thanking you for your appreciation of member (by what he did, like yourself) Malik Shabazz. -- Gerda Arendt ( talk) 06:46, 6 June 2019 (UTC)
Same cabal - with a new member it seems - thanking you for a clear statement about not wanting to serve a certain system. I remember the last time well that I debated with myself to stay or not (2012). -- Gerda Arendt ( talk) 15:10, 11 June 2019 (UTC)
Outcast making flowers bigger, with the message of the day: vision of friendliness, - the last thing I will give up. -- Gerda Arendt ( talk) 06:26, 12 June 2019 (UTC)
I just had reason to look back in time, to musings in your talk archive on how little it can take to get banned here ;) -- Gerda Arendt ( talk) 13:18, 16 June 2019 (UTC)
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With great pleasure, and keep beaming, Floq ;) -- Gerda Arendt ( talk) 09:36, 19 June 2019 (UTC)
I dropped in to see if a few people I respected back in the day were still around. Mark me very impressed; principles are the stuff of hero(in)es. LessHeard vanU ( talk) 15:49, 22 June 2019 (UTC)
Hi Floq. I previously quoted Community & Audience Engagement Associate
, which you repeated at
User talk:Jimbo Wales
[16]. I have since redacted that particular description, since it was from a meta-wiki profile. I am sticking to Twitter descriptions, in case there are impersonators, and if the meta-wiki person did not post that.
starship
.paint (
talk) 05:16, 28 June 2019 (UTC)
Just wanted to offer a kind word - you're good people Floq. Hope IRL is better for you than here. — Ched : ? — 15:29, 28 June 2019 (UTC)
I assume there are quite a few others in a holding pattern, not taking any administrative or maintenance actions until this is clarified but not jumping as long as there's even the slimmest possibility the WMF was in the right. There's still a slight but not zero chance that the ban was enacted for good reason and the silence and stonewalling is the result of Legal ordering staff not to disclose anything. If it does transpire that both the ban, and the unwillingness to talk, were for good reason, then every functionary who's resigned will be taken by the WMF that Wikipedia is dominated by a group of hotheads who can't be trusted to run their own affairs, and needs T&S to install a viceroy to keep the natives in order.I do recommend remaining in that holding pattern; if it does transpire that Fram was banned for uploading ostrich-pornography or mailing used condoms to editors with whom he was in dispute, every admin resignation will be taken by the WMF as evidence that the existing editor base are a clique who protect their own come-what-may, and who need Jan Eissfeldt installed as benevolent dictator to protect the public from them. ‑ Iridescent 16:10, 28 June 2019 (UTC)
Floq, I know I have contributed to your stress. I am sorry for having done so, and I hope you will get better soon. starship .paint ( talk) 01:10, 29 June 2019 (UTC)
I've been avoiding this for 2 weeks mostly out of respect for WJBscribe (80%), and a general hesitancy to do something irrevocable when maybe just maybe a good result will come of this in the end if I just waited (20%). But ultimately, Will didn't resysop me because he thought I should remain an admin, he resysopped me because it was an out of process abuse of power. If ArbCom had desysopped me, I am sure he would never have considered a resysop, even if he strongly disagreed with the decision. (He might have strongly agreed with the decision, I don't know.) I believe he did it because only the people who have the right to decide whether I'm an admin or not should decide my adminship status.
I am one of the people who have the right to decide whether I'm an admin or not.
So I think (or, at least, hope) that WJBscribe won't feel that his sticking his neck out was for nothing. I want to thank WJBscribe once more for doing the right thing, and paying a deep price for it. I also have an even better guess about how hard it was for him to resign from something he cares about, knowing it's irrevocable.
Anyway, I've resigned my adminship. I acknowledge I'm doing it under a cloud, so regardless of the result of the ArbCom case, I will need to go thru an RFA to get it back. I cannot imagine going thru that again, so this is for keeps. I'll really miss it; it's mostly been fun, and I hope somewhat useful, and a bigger share of how I've spent my free time than is healthy. But I find it increasingly humiliating to participate in something when the higher powers in the organization have such contempt for me and my peers (and my betters, the people who actually write articles). It is irrefutable that the WMF CEO thinks I am a free, easily replaceable work unit, a cog in the machine that allows her to travel the world. Those who don't drink the Koolaid are to be mocked. It is irrefutable that the WMF thinks of itself as the Master, and local communities as the Servants. Complain, and they will find a way to remove you under false pretexts. It is 99% irrefutable that regardless of Doc James' good will (I'm sorry for not waiting longer, Doc, I know this situation is painful for you), nothing is going to come of this; the WMF's plan is, and always has been, to simply wait it out.
I am no longer in any sense a part of the power structure of this site. -- Floquenbeam ( talk) 16:36, 28 June 2019 (UTC)
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Thank you for everything! We can fix this... Doc James ( talk · contribs · email) 20:16, 28 June 2019 (UTC) |
Thanks Doc James, I appreciate it, and feel sorry for the position you've been put in.
FYI, two simple things T&S could do that would take 5 minutes and would at least turn the burner off. No need for anything else in the coming week, and you can have that holiday after all. Lots of work in the coming months.
1. Keep Fram's ban in place, but give whatever evidence they feel they can to ArbCom, and say the ban is appealable to ArbCom, who would not take into account the existence or non-existence of other confidential evidence. It is literally impossible that there is some set of secret evidence that (a) they can't give to ArbCom which is simultaneously (b) so horrid that this would be impossible, but (c) that would have justified a time limited en.wiki-only ban. There is no need to identify any accusers; contrary to myth, ArbCom is perfectly capable of dealing with this kind of thing.
2. T&S can say that they will wait before making any more of these bans until after a discussion with the community results in a consensus of what to do.
Then, all time pressure is off. I have opinions, obviously, but would respect any *consensus-driven* discussion about what T&S's role in policing civility on en.wiki would be, even if I disagree.
For reasons I am too demoralized to go into, I am confident this will not happen. We are being gaslighted, and T&S is emotionally invested in not giving an inch. Your CEO is having too much fun on airplanes to know or care. -- Floquenbeam ( talk) 20:40, 28 June 2019 (UTC)
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Thank you for your service, Floq. Kudos for your decision. Please do stop on over at Wikipediocracy and have a good vent. It does a body good. —tim /// Carrite ( talk) 02:26, 29 June 2019 (UTC) |
How do you pronounce your name?
Benjamin (
talk) 04:25, 29 June 2019 (UTC)
Sorry. Benjamin ( talk) 07:28, 30 June 2019 (UTC)
Thank you Floq for your support. I hope this whole situation turns around and you'll feel better soon! starship .paint ( talk) 07:21, 1 July 2019 (UTC) |
The Admin's Barnstar | ||
Gobsmacked Dom from Paris ( talk) 16:33, 1 July 2019 (UTC) |
Franz Kafka: Das Schloss | |
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... about about alienation,
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Who will write the best short story Kafka style about the incident and its consequences, unresponsive bureaucracy and non-transparent, seemingly arbitrary controlling systems, in short, about frustration? -- Gerda Arendt ( talk) 06:11, 3 July 2019 (UTC)
The Defender of the Wiki Barnstar | |
Thanks for all your contribution to improve Wikipedia. Sincere regards. -- Titodutta ( talk) 17:04, 3 July 2019 (UTC) |
The Arbitration Committee has accepted the WJBscribe case request under the title Reversion of office actions and resolved it by motion as follows:
Community advised Office actions are actions taken by Wikimedia Foundation staff, and are normally expected not to be reversed or modified by members of the community even if they have the technical ability to do so. In this case an office action was taken against Fram ( talk · contribs · blocks · protections · deletions · page moves · rights · RfA), who was blocked and whose administrator rights were removed by the role account User:WMFOffice in implementing a Partial Foundation ban ( [17]). No similar action had been taken before on the English Wikipedia, and it proved highly controversial.
In response, Floquenbeam ( talk · contribs · blocks · protections · deletions · page moves · rights · RfA) and Bishonen ( talk · contribs · blocks · protections · deletions · page moves · rights · RfA) both used their administrator user rights to unblock Fram ( [18]). Floquenbeam's administrator rights were temporarily removed by WMFOffice ( talk · contribs) ( [19]). WJBscribe ( talk · contribs · blocks · protections · deletions · page moves · rights · RfA) used his bureaucrat rights first to restore Floquenbeam's administrator rights, and later to restore Fram's ( [20]).
Although
official WMF policy states that Unauthorized modifications to office actions will not only be reverted, but may lead to sanctions by the Foundation, such as revocation of the rights of the individual involved
,
JEissfeldt (WMF) (
talk ·
contribs) indicated that the WMF would not implement further sanctions against the admins involved in reversing these actions (
[21]). In recognition of that decision, and of the exceptional nature of the circumstances, the committee notes without comment this series of events. The community is advised that administrators and bureaucrats are normally expected not to act when they know they do not have all of the relevant facts, and that this is especially important with regard to office actions where those facts may be highly sensitive. As a general rule,
wheel warring may be grounds for removal of administrative rights by the committee as well as by the WMF. Lack of sanctions under these exceptional circumstances should not set expectations around similar future actions.
For the Arbitration Committee, – bradv 🍁 02:18, 5 July 2019 (UTC)
This user still arbitrary deletes chassis codes from italian cars that were uploaded by me:
Special:Diff/905790969
Special:Diff/538038099 and
Special:Diff/883957905
There already was a discussion about how important they are and are also in
Automobiles WikiProject guidelines.
Please react.
YBSOne (
talk) 13:28, 11 July 2019 (UTC)
Saw it again, thinking of you, and enjoy excellent concerts, see my talk, Schumann today, pianist outstanding. -- Gerda Arendt ( talk) 22:00, 12 July 2019 (UTC)
I'd have supported you in a new RfA even if you hadn't indicated that's what you'd insist on, but I really admire you voluntarily choosing that. Hats off. -- valereee ( talk) 18:37, 12 July 2019 (UTC)
This goat used to be homeless before I sent him here as a token of my appreciation.
Rong Qiqi (
talk) 17:53, 18 July 2019 (UTC)
but hey, if you can risk it, I suppose I could. :-) ... good to see you back too Floq. — Ched : ? — 02:10, 23 July 2019 (UTC)
Yo, just as a quick FYI in the RfA, I did indeed get two pings, so pinging from the edit summary worked. (I had no idea.)
For what it's worth, I like "re-oust from sysop role", but it's wordy. Or we could go super poor and have de-de-desysop. I'm sure I'll come up with something. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ( talk • contribs) 06:24, 23 July 2019 (UTC)
even-keeled option! :p —— SerialNumber 54129 10:19, 23 July 2019 (UTC)
looks like you're heading into dhmo/Giggy or Cullen territory. Stay positive my friend. — Ched : ? — 01:57, 26 July 2019 (UTC)
Floq,
I added an additional question at your RfC."
WP:Admin states "Candidates are also required to disclose whether they have ever edited for pay." You seem to have missed that requirement. If a candidate were to pass RfC without fulfilling that requirement, would he or she be an admin?"
This is not really a substantive question - it does not state that you would be blocked from becoming an admin if you had been paid for editing, it only says that you should answer the question, presumably so that editors !voting on the RfC can consider that information.
Note that I'm not accusing you of editing for pay. I'm just saying that you missed answering that question. It's quite an important question as it will help prevent our core of admins from becoming advocates or supporters for paid editors. Please correct your omission as soon as possible.
Smallbones( smalltalk) 14:11, 29 July 2019 (UTC)
For what it’s worth. My vote wouldn’t have counted for anything, seeing as how I’m just someone’s wife (so not a real person), but pulling for you anyways. Kafka Liz ( talk) 22:36, 29 July 2019 (UTC)
70+ opposes and almost 20 neutral votes for someone who had been an admin for 9 years with an established record is not a good sign. If it weren't for your many admin friends, I doubt you'd have that many supports. Do the honorable thing and withdraw, and maybe come back after a year or so because it's clear you're not wanted around anymore by a lot of people. The RfA might likely head into 'crat chat and you'd put 'crats in a difficult position once more because they'd likely favor promoting due to their familiarity with you making the chat non-neutral and would upset a lot of people. Just withdraw. Also, all the recent drama starting with WP:FRAM might actually make you understand what I meant by "the dirty politics of Wikipedia". Regards. 91.134.2.190 ( talk) 08:48, 26 July 2019 (UTC)
Congratulations on bumping me into 2nd place at Wikipedia:RFX300. It has been kind of lonely there for the past two years. Cullen328 Let's discuss it 04:31, 30 July 2019 (UTC)
... with thanks from QAI for being you |
final elapsed: 99 hrs
record:
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With 1/2 of the available pool of 'crats now having come down on one side, the other side, or the recuse side - I think it's safe to say that. — Ched : ? — 13:28, 1 August 2019 (UTC)
I know you'll have bad withdrawal symptoms, now that you won't be able to undo any office action. I allow you to undo any of my admin actions without asking me, even if it crosses into the wheel warring territory. I hope that helps ease the pressure :D Have fun adminning the third time around. Lourdes 11:21, 3 August 2019 (UTC)
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That's ... a lot of messages to see on a Monday morning. I've hopefully either replied to you directly (for those left on Friday), or at the very least thanked those left over the weekend (for those left since then - sorry, just can't keep up); if I forgot you, I'm sorry, didn't mean anything by it. It was quite the experience, thanks for the kind words and (where applicable) the support at RFA. -- Floquenbeam ( talk) 16:26, 5 August 2019 (UTC)
The 'crat chat has closed as successful. Welcome back to the corps. You'll have to find whichever closet you put your t-shirt in, since I don't think we've got any spare ones. But here's a new mop for ya (sanitation and all). Primefac ( talk) 16:39, 2 August 2019 (UTC)
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Dear Floquenbeam/Archive 11,
I'd like to extend a cordial invitation to you to join the Ten Year Society, an informal group for editors who've been participating in the Wikipedia project for ten years or more.
Best regards, Chris Troutman ( talk) 23:27, 13 August 2018 (UTC)
... and thanks for the hard work you've put into wiki over the last 10 years! I'm heartened to see that you're still floquating around: sustaining the level of energy you were expending is, however, all but impossible to keep up without burning out. Take care of yourself, and a general 'hi' from me.
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I have been wikignoming recently, and while bored went to WP:ANI and made this contribution and earlier. I am now attempting to look for details of Betacommands ban, but am chasing my mangy and aged tail. If you could reply here or on my talkpage before I stumble across it myself, I would be grateful. LessHeard vanU ( talk) 17:42, 14 August 2018 (UTC) (ps - wasn't Oversight the pits? It was for me...)
something consider if you arent Wikipedia:Service awards JarrahTree 14:50, 20 August 2018 (UTC)
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.No reason to clog up the ban discussion with this, but the way I read Wikipedia:Sock puppetry, "block evasion" is one specific type of sockpuppetry, while "multiple accounts at the same time" is another form of sockpuppetry. Basically, sockpuppetry is having over your career multiple accounts for illegitimate reasons, no matter if these are parallel, sequential, or both. So I don't think that you are correct when you claim that "sock puppetry and block evasion are technically different", but it's not really helpful if I would add that to the ANI discussion... Fram ( talk) 14:42, 6 September 2018 (UTC)
In this particular context, I'm concerned that this thread might be closed before everyone has had an opportunity to state the exact same opinion 2 more times
seems a trifle unfair. Multiple people all of the same opinion is how we judge whether that opinion has consensus or not; if the close had been challenged and nobody—or only one person—defended, it would be quite legitimate to say that the close was out-of-process and should be reverted. ‑
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[2] It's just plain funny. ᛗᛁᛟᛚᚾᛁᚱPants Tell me all about it. 19:36, 11 September 2018 (UTC)
I still think it was a valid question to ask. Determining consensus on Wikipedia is one of those things that seems to make nobody happy, and "within admin discretion" is such a wide, all encompassing zone. Mr Ernie ( talk) 19:22, 13 September 2018 (UTC)
Thanks for your comments regarding Yom Kippur. I do agree with you about your comment. How do we go about changing the policy? At the very least certain "major" holidays should be afforded front page status unless it's really terrible. Sir Joseph (talk) 18:44, 20 September 2018 (UTC)
I already thanked Kirbanzo and offered the editor a hug (via an edit summary, sneakily enough tehehe).
I kinda got when I posted that proposal that Most editors would oppose as not feasible (legitimate) or some silliness.
That said, I don't believe I made any wrong statements or made any proposals that couldn't ONE DAY get realized.
I would like a real response, so I'd like to re-open. I believe I pose very legitimate criticisms.
If for no other reason, editors would surely benefit from the opportunity to ponder about wikipedia's weaknesses.
I asked Kirbanzo for the okay, but in case I don't get a response:
Can you give me the okay to re-open that proposal at least for a little while to see if a constructive discussion sparks?
Thank you for your involvement, and your caring!
Eaterjolly ( talk) 00:22, 29 September 2018 (UTC)
I noticed the notice - "not here" - but hope that you are because of this. Whoever it is, they're not giving up, despite the warnings and explanations. - Sitush ( talk) 06:00, 4 October 2018 (UTC)
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Hi, thanks for your edits on Ana María Campos. The Resistance Campaign section outlines the whole story, including date of arrest and by whom, and the Torture and Death section goes into detail. Perhaps the text should be streamlined so it isn't so repetitive. Yoninah ( talk) 01:11, 17 October 2018 (UTC)
You'll be interested to see this SPI report, where the username similarities and behavioral evidence are certain; it's an open-and-shut case to me. I didn't want to update the block you applied without your prior approval, however, since you added a very descriptive rationale in the block reason. Let me know what you'd like me to do (ping me). Cheers - ~Oshwah~ (talk) (contribs) 13:03, 18 October 2018 (UTC)
Hi. I hope you are well. If you dont mind, can you tell in which age group you are? Like 20's, 30's, 70's, 80's, 120's? Please feel free to say "no", but if you answer, kindly dont lie —usernamekiran (talk) 23:42, 25 October 2018 (UTC)
You and I have had our differences on occasions, yes. But nothing that changes my opinion that you are one of the admins that we need to have around. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง ( talk) 07:22, 26 October 2018 (UTC)
May I ask - once so capable admins are in sight - that someone please close the RfC on Talk:Arvo Pärt? The one who iniated it already made the change that most want, - no point to keep it open. -- Gerda Arendt ( talk) 20:51, 26 October 2018 (UTC)
...I'd be pressing it hard for this one. Thryduulf ( talk) 21:29, 19 October 2018 (UTC)
Great edit summary Floq. This should bring a smile. I know Andy K's version is out there but I prefer the original. Cheers. MarnetteD| Talk 17:40, 30 October 2018 (UTC)
Since you were involved with Special:Diff/866655500, I'd suggest keeping an eye at List of TCP and UDP port numbers edit history and the behavior of both parties. 84.250.17.211 ( talk) 15:42, 1 November 2018 (UTC)
I went ahead and followed the directions that you provided.
I included link references to the New York District Attorney office press release, which was referenced on Wikipedia in the past. It's just strange to me that her main description doesn't mention that fact that she's facing six counts of grand larceny or anything about her alleged criminal conduct whatsoever. That seems like kind of an important aspect of her life description to me.
She wasn't even an actual socialite as some Wikipedia publishers seem to think...
Anyways, thank you for the helpful response.
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Might I recommend a block here? He removed your comment from the talk page. I reverted him but the dude is clearly not here to build an encyclopedia. -- Tarage ( talk) 23:27, 8 November 2018 (UTC)
By that time someone else will probably be AAG valereee ( talk) 19:33, 9 November 2018 (UTC)
Not that it matters but I just wanted to clarify I have no idea what the heck he meant by "doxing on social media". I wasn't even aware he HAD a social media... -- Tarage ( talk) 19:40, 15 November 2018 (UTC)
(that's what I read on top, not looking closely ;) ) - DYK that Sam Korn was declared awesome 10 years ago, and I can't tell him because the talk is protected, and a little bird told me that's not needed any more? -- Gerda Arendt ( talk) 19:20, 18 November 2018 (UTC)
I just wanted to formally approve of you unblocking both users. I don't consider either on to be a "rogue unblock" in the least. Have a good one. Jauerback dude?/ dude. 16:04, 23 November 2018 (UTC)
I want to undo this page to my latest. The current version is not relevant anymore and needs updating. Also, I'm intending to add more contents about the district geography, population, etc. Cn5900 ( talk) 02:28, 23 November 2018 (UTC)
Excuse me, but surely something needs to be done about this sort of thing from Flyer22 Reborn. Your comment on my talk page seems to contradict what she's saying, and she's not going to stop spreading around the idea that I was reprimanded for doing something egregious and am on the edge of a block. Curly "JFC" Turkey 🍁 ¡gobble! 23:10, 26 November 2018 (UTC)
Thanks for this edit, but you inadvertently removed the bolding. Please fix before it hits the main page. Cheers, - Zanhe ( talk) 23:35, 28 November 2018 (UTC)
... or not is not the question, living memory is. -- Gerda Arendt ( talk) 15:02, 28 November 2018 (UTC)
Flo - your comment aroused my curiosity because if my oppose was one of the 5 you found "kind of nuts, and I don't want to look like I'm part of that", I'd like to know so I can improve my arguments. Atsme ✍🏻 📧 16:33, 30 November 2018 (UTC)
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Now, since I satisfied the two initial complainers (Azdaja and Surtsicna) who based their complaints on the lack of sources, what's the problem now? I understand now that I can't refer to other Wikipedia pages as a source, but changing that and having the information in the text in regard - what would possibly be a reasonable, additional reason to delete these facts? I want an answer from a factual perspective about the actual text, not a problem about references and other thing that are no problem fixing — Preceding unsigned comment added by Filipjako ( talk • contribs) 22:59, 3 December 2018 (UTC)
I'm sorry I lost my temper. - Dank ( push to talk) 22:59, 30 November 2018 (UTC)
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For consistent exercise of good judgement, and acting to defuse minor conflicts (that weren't going anywhere anyway), I award you with a diplomat's barnstar. And not just because "per" me ;)
I rarely think to thank people for positive actions; not so rarely to chide them for negative ones. If the good were rewarded as often as the bad condemned, there might very well be less bitterness manifesting in minutia. Mr rnddude ( talk) 08:53, 5 December 2018 (UTC) |
Why thank you, @ Mr rnddude:, that's kind of you to say. I wonder which noticeboard WP:Bitterness manifesting in minutia should be a redirect for; maybe it needs to be a disambiguation page to multiple noticeboards... -- Floquenbeam ( talk) 21:42, 5 December 2018 (UTC)
Hi there, I'm inexperienced with tagging things for deletion and only vaguely up to date with policy for deleting content. So I was wondering if you could take a look at something which I think is suspicious? I've removed one of the user's non-notable list entry contributions from the main-space but now they've started adding suspected self promotional material to their user page. The user page is: User:The_Real_Steele. Thank you in advance. -=Troop=- ( talk) 22:10, 5 December 2018 (UTC)
DYK Tönet, ihr Pauken!, which they shall do today ;) -- Gerda Arendt ( talk) 13:25, 8 December 2018 (UTC)
I don't much care whether Aspentsi is banned or not, but I don't see how you can close a ban discussion when so many people have already voted (support rather overwhelmingly) just because you think it's dumb. I strongly urge you to revert your closure.-- Bbb23 ( talk) 23:47, 8 December 2018 (UTC)
Welcome to the Well-Meaning Fuckup Club, Floq. Our next meeting starts at 6:00, but if you get there at 5:53 you will be asked to leave and come back at 6:00, or 7:15, or 11:30, or next February. 28bytes ( talk) 16:27, 9 December 2018 (UTC)
Have fun! <3, Writ Keeper ⚇ ♔ 15:04, 12 December 2018 (UTC)
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Wishing you and yours a Happy Holiday Season, from the horse and bishop person. May the year ahead be productive and troll-free. Ealdgyth - Talk 16:56, 18 December 2018 (UTC) |
Thanks, Ealdgyth, my best to you and yours in 2019. -- Floquenbeam ( talk) 15:27, 21 December 2018 (UTC)
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Hello Floq, Early in A Child's Christmas in Wales the young Dylan and his friend Jim Prothero witness smoke pouring from Jim's home. After the conflagration has been extinguished Dylan writes that My thanks to you for your efforts to keep the 'pedia readable in case the firemen chose one of our articles :-) Best wishes to you and yours and happy editing in 2019. MarnetteD| Talk 20:47, 18 December 2018 (UTC) |
Instead of presents 🎁 this year...I'm giving everyone my opinion. Get excited!!! 😂 Atsme ✍🏻 📧 02:40, 15 December 2018 (UTC)
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Hi Floquenbeam. I'm contacting you since you imposed the original block on USN007 from Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/IncidentArchive994#Legal threats. USN007 was blocked for sockpuppetry for editing while logged out, but originally came to attention at AN/I for borderline legal threats. Recently, another anonymous user, 108.178.78.26, has responded to a talk page thread created by USN007's previously associated IP. That anonymous user has also made related edits at Circle jerk and Wikipedia_talk:Spam#Trademark_issues. The edits are not constructive, and the behavior strongly suggests block evasion by USN007 and, if you agree, I think a block of the IP may be appropriate. Thanks. -- Bsherr ( talk) 03:05, 4 January 2019 (UTC)
I am telling you because you interacted previously with user User:AveTory. I think he definitely has a problem with BLP policy. I talked with him before, talked now, but without much success [4], [5]. Well, I do not care too much and can leave "his" version of a page about a Ukrainian presidential candidate, but his recent addition is definitely not consistent with our BLP requirements in my opinion. My very best wishes ( talk) 18:21, 8 January 2019 (UTC)
If you have a moment, check out User:Gerda Arendt/Images 2019 (formerly Christmas), for a smile, and sharing (a Nobel Peace Prize), and resolutions. I wanted that for 1 January, but then wasn't sad about having our music pictured instead. Not too late for resolutions, New Year or not. DYK that he probably kept me on Wikipedia, back in 2012? By the line (which brought him to my attention, and earned the first precious in br'erly style) that I added to my editnotice, in fond memory? -- Gerda Arendt ( talk) 17:03, 12 January 2019 (UTC)
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It is on the most frequently used emoji list on my phone. In part thanks to IRC cloud and Wikipedia. TonyBallioni ( talk) 16:47, 13 January 2019 (UTC)
Hi and thanks for your move on this page. Yours, LouisAlain ( talk) 16:57, 18 January 2019 (UTC)
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I can't even spell your name right in an apology edit summary. Bad morning.-- Bbb23 ( talk) 19:43, 31 January 2019 (UTC)
Hi, I noticed you blocked Anaxagoras13 in 2017 for "frequent inappropriate accusations of vandalism". He is up to it again by attacking my edits as vandalism. As seen here [7], [8] and [9]. Can something be done about this? Sportsfan 1234 ( talk) 16:17, 31 January 2019 (UTC)
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come across Guy's thread over ANI aprior to my actions. Curiously, I see that the one who closed it thanked me, for my edit. Being bold is usually good (though probably stupid on my part, given that he was blocked and ranting semi-coherently) and, it won't harm to assume some good faith. Cheers. ∯WBG converse 20:17, 5 February 2019 (UTC)
Please help out, trying to revert to the original text while there's at least two users who are editing away some terms with a clear agenda (since those terms are factual and not directly provocative)
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Hi Floquenbeam. I would take a look at the history of vandalism from this IP account over the last few weeks/months. I think a block longer than 7 days is needed? Kind regards. Britishfinance ( talk) 22:18, 7 February 2019 (UTC)
Hi,
Just dropping you a note to let you know I had to block this user. We received a report at AIV from Gaelan regarding their behaviour. I read your notice on their talk page and blocked them for one month. At least they're now reading their talk page. Feel free to undo me if you think the block is wrong -- 5 albert square ( talk) 22:26, 12 February 2019
Welcome to Wikipedia. Although everyone is welcome to contribute constructively to the encyclopedia, we would like to remind you not to attack yourself, as you did on WP:ERRORS. Please comment on the contributions and not yourself. If you make any further self-attacks you may have to report yourself to yourself, which may result in a self-block. Thank you. MANdARAX • XAЯAbИAM 23:09, 14 February 2019 (UTC)
After my recon-by-fire came up negative at 89.32.123.60, I thought we were treeless. Dlohcierekim (talk) 01:13, 20 February 2019 (UTC)
Re: "I have generally shared JzG's exasperation with B2C's general approach..."
I welcome suggestions/advice/critique at any time. Thank you. -- В²C ☎ 19:36, 27 February 2019 (UTC)
Hi, Floq! Just so you know (in case you missed my comment elsewhere), I am no longer mentoring IW. I had told him I wouldn't be able to help him if he didn't listen to my advice, and he flatly rejected my advice to stop throwing GA articles into GA-review (I see he has even done it with an FA now). Direct quote, from his talk page: "It doesn't really matter how many of them don't want me to review." A mentee (is that a word?) has to be willing to accept advice, so I have withdrawn my offer to mentor him. In other words, any time you think he needs a warning or a block, no need to consult me; I will not be standing in the way. -- MelanieN ( talk) 21:34, 27 February 2019 (UTC)
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Really? The font is only 12pt which I figured to be pretty standard... seems to be the same size as the rest of the text for me? I really didn't expect this to be an issue for anyone :( Ben · Salvidrim! ✉ 14:58, 12 March 2019 (UTC)
Pedantic I know, but I don't think I noticed the header of that query, just the text of the query itself. Jo-Jo Eumerus ( talk, contributions) 20:57, 12 March 2019 (UTC)
Hello, I'm Jax 0677. I noticed that you made a comment on the page User_talk:MelanieN#March_2019 that didn't seem very civil, so it has been removed. Wikipedia is built on collaboration, so it's one of our core principles to interact with one another in a polite and respectful manner. If you have any questions, you can leave me a message on my talk page. Thank you. -- Jax 0677 ( talk) 15:58, 14 March 2019 (UTC)
Hello, I'm Ritchie333. I noticed you called another editor a fuckwit, which didn't seem very unambigious, so it has been queried. Wikipedia is built on collaboration, so it's one of my core principles to enquire whether you were referring to "fuckwit" to mean "A very stupid person" or "A contemptible person." If you have any questions, you can leave a message on Jimbo's talk page, where the issue will be debated to death by people who've got too much time on their hands. Meanwhile, I have found the video you requested here. Thank you. Ritchie333 (talk) (cont) 16:54, 14 March 2019 (UTC)
Wikipedia:Don't make a smarmy valediction part of your default signature, a page which you created or substantially contributed to, has been nominated for deletion. Your opinions on the matter are welcome; you may participate in the discussion by adding your comments at Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/Wikipedia:Don't make a smarmy valediction part of your default signature and please be sure to sign your comments with four tildes (~~~~). You are free to edit the content of Wikipedia:Don't make a smarmy valediction part of your default signature during the discussion but should not remove the miscellany for deletion template from the top of the page; such a removal will not end the deletion discussion. Thank you. Jc86035 ( talk) 14:26, 18 March 2019 (UTC)
Hi. Many thanks for the revdel on this article. Lugnuts Fire Walk with Me 09:09, 19 March 2019 (UTC)
Sorry you ended up involved. I like to include a little humour in my talk page contributions to try and avoid people taking things personally, I clearly need to add a disclaimer in a signature for my next "tirade". Koncorde ( talk) 23:28, 19 March 2019 (UTC)
If I post a brief statement here, would you be willing to proxy it to WP:AE for me? This would be keeping in line with my years-long personal policy of having zero direct interaction with a certain user. I'll admit the request is unorthodox, but I don't see it as harmful or potentially controversial. Thanks. Joefromrandb ( talk) 16:35, 25 March 2019 (UTC)
(Note: I am posting this at User talk:Floquenbeam and asking him to copy it to WP:AE. I have taken this unusual step for the sole purpose of continuing to, as I have for years, voluntarily refrain from any interaction with the filer of this report. It should not be taken as a slight against readers of this page by refusing to answer directly, nor should it been seen as an endorsement of the content by Floquenbeam.)
In short: mea culpa. I let my frustration get the better of me. I should have stopped after the first revert and left it to others to correct the errors I found. Going forward I will strive to do so in the future. I do feel the need to note that the complainant in the AN3 report was my counterpart in the edit war. That doesn't exonerate me, nor does it mitigate my culpability in edit-warring. Still, I have to say I find it outrageous for a user who performed three reverts within a period of several hours to show up at AN3 acting like the injured party. It's true, I broke WP:3RR and he did not. However, as far as both the spirit and the letter of Wikipedia's overall policy on edit-warring goes, he was every bit as guilty as I. Whatever the case, I acknowledge my part in this edit war, and pledge to strive to refrain from such behavior in the future. This is an isolated incident, occurring more than six months after I resumed editing following the ArbCom block. I don't see a new block being particularly productive, but of course, that's not for me to decide. Joefromrandb ( talk) 23:48, 25 March 2019 (UTC)
They sometimes don't get notified - it's a known software bug. Boing! said Zebedee ( talk) 00:51, 26 March 2019 (UTC)
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... is the birthday of de:Jörg Streli, at least where you are. Shown on the German Main page, in fond memory. - Above, you find my latest travel pics, below some musical plans. Come 1 September for the Monteverdi Vespers. -- Gerda Arendt ( talk) 23:30, 26 March 2019 (UTC)
remember the link and look from time to time because we really should have better pics than this -- Gerda Arendt ( talk) 15:58, 27 March 2019 (UTC)
Now, there's gonna be a huge swell of people all jumping to run the RfA gauntlet just so as they can...
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You immediately resumed the behavior that led to the previous block. Watch it. Also, congratulations on the the AN close, very nice. Bishonen | talk 16:05, 5 May 2019 (UTC).
FYI diff was after your close. it was another bizarre hostile comment, considering my user page is very easy to find. Thanks -- Fæ ( talk) 15:39, 6 May 2019 (UTC)
This looks like trying to needle after the ANI closing. [ [10]] Springee ( talk) 23:25, 6 May 2019 (UTC)
There is currently a discussion at Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard regarding an issue with which you may have been involved. The thread is " Review of closure that appears to invent new policy out of nowhere". Thank you. — SMcCandlish ☏ ¢ 😼 02:24, 7 May 2019 (UTC)
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For finding a reasonable way to close a contentious dispute that was partly about pronouns and partly about two editors, and was partly policy and partly conduct. Robert McClenon ( talk) 17:38, 7 May 2019 (UTC) |
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Hi, don't want to be a target of personal criticism, so here is a completely neutral note that this has happened. Thanks -- Fæ ( talk) 14:09, 8 May 2019 (UTC)
Posting this here because I don't know where else I would post it (apart from Guy Macon's talk page, but he's made it clear he doesn't want to talk to me) – I want to acknowledge that while I don't think Guy Macon was acting appropriately with regard to Fæ's pronouns (which in turn, in my view, means he also wasn't acting appropriately in regard to my pronouns: as my user page notes, I also prefer they/them pronouns), I do think I was a little hotheaded throughout the process and I want to apologize for that. I should've tried opening a dialogue with Guy on his talk page before going to ANI, I should've been a little more careful and thoughtful with the wording of the ANI, and I shouldn't have posted anything to Guy's talk page afterwards without being much more thoughtful about it. WanderingWanda ( talk) 16:08, 8 May 2019 (UTC)
I have just seen the final version of the AN discussion on Legacypac. I think you did an excellent job of bringing a hopelessly confused and incoherent discussion to the best close that was possible under the circumstances. JamesBWatson ( talk) 11:38, 9 May 2019 (UTC)
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Just a note about this [ [11]]. Slatersteven ( talk) 12:27, 9 May 2019 (UTC)
Floquenbeam do you think my sandbox section about Fae is unacceptable, if so I will remove it. Slatersteven ( talk) 13:27, 9 May 2019 (UTC)
The Admin's Barnstar | |
Admin don't just make "difficult blocks", they also make difficult unblocks and difficult closes. You've been quietly taking on a lot of difficult admin tasks lately–thoughtful closes of encyclopedia-length discussions, quick responses to real-time urgent situations–and doing it in a way that shows sound judgment and a desire to do what's best for the community and the project. Thank you for the good work. Leviv ich 15:50, 10 May 2019 (UTC) |
Why thank you, @ Levivich:, what a kind thing to say. -- Floquenbeam ( talk) 17:10, 10 May 2019 (UTC)
Never fix the printer, lest you become The One What Fixes The Printer. Writ Keeper ⚇ ♔ 14:45, 9 May 2019 (UTC)
Bishzilla breathes a puff of atomic deathray at the little Bbb23 from close range. Looks at smoldering remains with some concern. Stuffs them in pocket.] Oops. Feel better, little user! bishzilla ROARR!! pocket 19:00, 10 May 2019 (UTC). (See how well Zilla gadget work?)
Hi! Based on your comment and your close message, you seem unhappy with the thread I opened, but I'm having trouble understanding why. Can you explain a bit more what I should have done differently? Isa ( talk) 19:51, 14 May 2019 (UTC)
The Real Life Barnstar | |
You handled that real life situation with a deft touch. 7&6=thirteen ( ☎) 21:19, 15 May 2019 (UTC) |
Well, we'll see. All they have to do is post the same thing again and I'll have egg all over my face. But thanks much for the kind words. -- Floquenbeam ( talk) 21:22, 15 May 2019 (UTC)
Hi there, do I understand correctly you do some IP and range blocking to address block evasion? Would you mind looking into recent edit warring at User talk:Awilley? Thanks in advance. R2 ( bleep) 21:02, 23 May 2019 (UTC)
Re: this despite my general nitpickery (stick-in-the-muddery?), you're free to move any of my comments or correct any typos or whatever whenever :) Also, for range blocks just go here copy and paste the IPs in question in (it can include User: in front of it) and it will tell you want the range is. TonyBallioni ( talk) 20:58, 23 May 2019 (UTC)
I just was removing vandalism and came across that was he threatening me ? my first time with that kind of situation was kind of lost with that Jack90s15 ( talk) 01:49, 6 June 2019 (UTC)
News and updates for administrators from the past month (May 2019).
Regarding Wikipedia:Community response to Wikimedia Foundation's ban of Fram: throwing yourself under the bus is both brave and understandable, but this may not be the right bus. What happens if Fram diffuses tensions by agreeing not to edit WP until the present crisis is resolved, in exchange for an unblock? What happens if Jimbo, or the board, or someone else steps in and puts things on hold? If there are just a few casualties (such as you) and then there's a sudden lull, then maybe everything will turn out fine ... or, maybe, to make a point, the WMF will insist that the casualties stay dead. Food for thought. (Feel free to delete this message if you don't want the drama spilling over onto your talk page.) - Dank ( push to talk) 14:55, 11 June 2019 (UTC)
You made me post from my phone, which I hate! Yeah, the problem is that the meeting is interesting; I wouldn't mind so much if you were distracting me from a meeting about TPS reports (oh good, I typed "TPS" and predictive text knew what I was going for). I've always been impressed with your willingness to go ahead and get shit done, in cases where I'd still be hemming and hawing. I can't say "you guys should wait because there's significant progress happening behind the scenes" but I can say "I dont think this is likely to prompt any new progress, and might actually reinforce some bad ideas some people have". Opabinia externa ( talk) 19:05, 11 June 2019 (UTC)
[13] Black Kite (talk) 19:02, 11 June 2019 (UTC)
The Admin's Barnstar | |
Going against the opinion of those one might see as superiors is an action that ought to be merited with plaudits. Please accept this barnstar as but one of many. — Javert2113 ( Siarad.| ¤) 19:46, 11 June 2019 (UTC) |
Couldn't find the whiskey, sorry. Best of luck mate, whatever happens. —— SerialNumber 54129 19:02, 11 June 2019 (UTC) |
The Defender of the Wiki Barnstar | |
Thank you for your actions! Huldra ( talk) 20:06, 11 June 2019 (UTC) |
The Special Barnstar | |
Your unblocking of Fram is not only brave but it's also very much appreciated so thank you, If I could I would give you all of the beers in the world and then some!, |
The Special Barnstar | |
However this ends, I stand with you. EclipseDude ( Chase Totality) 20:14, 11 June 2019 (UTC) |
The Socratic Barnstar | ||
You are an outstanding credit to the world we work in, and, for setting this precedent Wikipedia for as long as it survives will remain indebted to you. Nishidani ( talk) 21:11, 11 June 2019 (UTC) |
The Defender of the Wiki Barnstar | |
Good move. Brave, possibly foolhardy, but if you have to go through RfA again I'll be adding a strong support for you doing the right thing. Cheers - SchroCat ( talk) 19:40, 11 June 2019 (UTC) |
All of the above, with bells on. -- bonadea contributions talk 19:52, 11 June 2019 (UTC)
Yeah, yeah, another award. I know you're being flooded with these. I appreciate your willingness to potentially sacrifice yourself for the good of the wiki, though, and I thought that deserved a reward. Thanks for your amazing adminning. -A lad insane (Channel 2) 21:23, 11 June 2019 (UTC) |
Got you a beer. I'm actually in a secret cabal, and will block you in a half an hour from a never-before used WMF account, so get ready for that. Don't worry--I won't explain why. In the meantime, enjoy. Thanks Floq. Drmies ( talk) 22:21, 11 June 2019 (UTC) |
The Admin's Barnstar | |
In recognition of what is probably the boldest admin action I've ever known. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง ( talk) 23:31, 11 June 2019 (UTC) |
The Defender of the Wiki Barnstar | ||
I support you standing up to the WMF. Benjamin ( talk) 00:54, 12 June 2019 (UTC) |
The Admin's Barnstar | |
Yeah I know, Another damn barnstar- but I've been meaning to give you this for a while. Consistently, I've seen you as the most level headed, brave, and genius editors on the site. 💵Money💵emoji💵 💸 02:17, 12 June 2019 (UTC) |
The Barnstar of Good Humor | |
In addition to the bravery and forthrightness noted by many above, you have handled this with an inspirational level of goof humor, given the circumstances. bd2412 T 02:52, 12 June 2019 (UTC) |
I have very little idea what's going on, but congratulations on decisive and brave action. Yngvadottir ( talk) 23:58, 11 June 2019 (UTC)
The Barnstar of Integrity | ||
Thank you for acting in the best tradition of the Wikipedia admins. Nick Thorne talk 03:42, 12 June 2019 (UTC) |
The Defender of the Wiki Barnstar | |
I think you can guess what this is for by now. — pythoncoder ( talk | contribs) 04:18, 12 June 2019 (UTC) |
The Admin's Barnstar | |
Thank you very much. Oshawott 12 ==()== Talk to me! 04:32, 12 June 2019 (UTC) |
The Barnstar of Diplomacy | |
There are never good reasons to compromise on obvious truth. Thanks for sticking to facts. Fæ ( talk) 06:55, 12 June 2019 (UTC) |
The Admin's Barnstar | |
I don't know if you know, but you've been listed at User:Swarm/recall#Users who can simply request the removal of my admin rights since I was promoted in 2011. I've long since forgotten why I felt that you belonged in that list in 2011. But you have reminded me why you were one of the users I trusted and respected most in those earlier days. MelanieN stole my sentiments—you are a hero. I've never had that thought about anyone throughout my career here, and I quite genuinely mean that right now. Don't doubt that you did the right thing. If a new RfA will be required, it will be my honor to wholeheartedly support, if not nominate you (though I know the line for co-noms will be disgustingly long). Thanks for all you've done and especially for what you did today. Best, ~Swarm~ {sting} 07:18, 12 June 2019 (UTC) |
The Admin's Barnstar | |
For standing up for the community in the face of personal cost, thank you, Floquenbeam. starship .paint ( talk) 07:35, 12 June 2019 (UTC) |
The Admin's Barnstar | ||
Reading what happened in this whole mess, and this is absolutely deserved barnstar for such a brave act. Kudos. Jovanmilic97 ( talk) 07:43, 12 June 2019 (UTC) |
Bravery Barnstar. | ||
A courageous action for sure. You have my vote should you need another RfA! In losing the Mop, you've shown us all that you were truly worthy of the Mop. Captain Eek Edits Ho Cap'n! ⚓ 08:37, 12 June 2019 (UTC) |
Barnstar of Integrity | |
Thank you for your personal sacrifice in the service of good and right. |
I was going to give you another Defender of the Wiki barnstar, but then I thought which would I rather have, a barnstar or a brownie and realized there was no contest! Doug Weller talk 11:30, 12 June 2019 (UTC) |
Hey Floq. I don't do barnstars, but you have earned 12 points. Spend them wisely. While proxying for a blocked user is of course a no no, you are not blocked, just temporarily de-adminned, therefore if you find any admin tasks what need doing over the next 29 days and 14 hours or so, feel free to ping me. Fish+ Karate 10:39, 12 June 2019 (UTC)
First, I'm really embarrassed about the mass of messages above. I mean thanks, but... geez. Anyone who can't stand a month without the admin bit is a little too attached to it anyway. I was fairly sure I'd get a slap on the wrist; the person/people who unblock Fram after this are much braver than I was.
I should have let Bish go first after all; while it might be bluster, WMF is making it sound like they'll deal more harshly with anyone else who unblocks Fram. Wikipedia will be worse off without her than without me, especially if she's not an admin for a long time while I'm only in the doghouse for a month. Bish is a grownup and can do whatever she wants - pretty sure I know what that will be once she wakes up - but I will certainly not be seeking to regain the admin bit until everyone who is desysopped for unblocking Fram is resysopped (if they want to be). Whether it's just Bish, or a half dozen admins, or all the admins; it isn't up to me anymore.
I will say to whoever wrote the WMFOffice message about my desysop, the insinuation that I might be tempted to evade this is deeply insulting wait, no, it's deeply puzzling. How, exactly, would I go about "attempting to evade the sanctions announced against me today"? Unless you mean using
User:Aardvark Floquenbeam to resysop myself. OK, fair warning, I won't do that. {{
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Floquenbeam (
talk) 02:27, 12 June 2019 (UTC)
The same applies for any attempts made by Floquenbeam to evade the sanctions announced against them today or by attempts by others to override that sanction" and I kinda conflated both into "resysopping Floq" since the only attempt to evade from you I could think of was "requesting resysopping". :p Ben · Salvidrim! ✉ 02:41, 12 June 2019 (UTC)
The Special Barnstar | |
I'm not sure that I agree with what you did, but I appreciate that you did what you could to defend your values. StudiesWorld ( talk) 19:49, 11 June 2019 (UTC) |
...but still <insert primal scream here>. You are now truly the deposed King from Ashara Kor. -- Jezebel's Ponyo bons mots 16:02, 12 June 2019 (UTC)
The Admin's Barnstar | |
Thank you for standing up for the community. ~ Awilley ( talk) 17:07, 12 June 2019 (UTC) |
See Wikipedia:Village pump (proposals)#Allow bureaucrats to quickly re-sysop admins temporarily de-sysoped by WMF for carrying out out community consensus. Cheers! bd2412 T 19:34, 12 June 2019 (UTC)
Redeemable for a real one if you're ever in the neighbourhood. Every admin action carries with it the chance of a desysop. You did what you thought was right, and that's all anyone can do. Hawkeye7 (discuss) 21:52, 12 June 2019 (UTC) |
The Tank Man Award | |
You did it. You put yourself out there and you got their attention. And maybe, just maybe, even a start toward a resolution. You are a hero today. MelanieN ( talk) 19:26, 11 June 2019 (UTC) |
Well now you're just embarrassing me. On a good day I have 1/100,000 the courage that guy had. Please don't say stuff like that. I mean, thanks, of course, but please don't. Some might interpret that as evidence my motivation is personal attention-seeking. -- Floquenbeam ( talk) 19:32, 11 June 2019 (UTC)
I see no valid reason for the removal of your administrator rights, which were granted to you by the enwiki community. ArbCom has not mandated their removal. I have accordingly restored them. Fuller reasons for my actions can be found at WP:BN WJBscribe (talk) 23:37, 12 June 2019 (UTC)
Whew what times we live in Floq. In an attempt to bring a small amount of levity to the day I'll mention that WJBscribe has a user box mentioning that they live in London so any post on their talk page should spell it honourable :-) If my joke falls flat and is annoying you please remove it post haste. MarnetteD| Talk 23:56, 12 June 2019 (UTC)
I just don't have the energy to reply individually. I'm glad I unblocked Fram. I acknowledged before I did it that I'd be sad to be desysopped, but at peace with it, and I am: sad yet at peace. Still, can't say I'm motivated right now to be as active as I would have to be to reply to each of you. Plus I'm a little embarrassed at the attention and some of the more over-the-top phrasing. But I don't want it to look like I don't appreciate the kind words and thoughts. Especially when I reply to some people and not others. That's mostly a reflection on whether I happened to be doing something at the very moment I got the orange bar, or if I saw something particularly funny or raising an interesting question. So thanks everybody. I do appreciate it, whether it looks that way or not. -- Floquenbeam ( talk) 22:22, 12 June 2019 (UTC)
For if you put me to death, you will not easily find another, who, to use a rather absurd figure, attaches himself to the city as a gadfly to a horse, which, though large and well bred, is sluggish on account of his size and needs to be aroused by stinging. I think the god fastened me upon the city in some such capacity, and I go about arousing, (προσκείμενον τῇ πόλει ὑπὸ τοῦ θεοῦ ὥσπερ ἵππῳ μεγάλῳ μὲν καὶ γενναίῳ, ὑπὸ μεγέθους δὲ νωθεστέρῳ καὶ δεομένῳ ἐγείρεσθαι ὑπὸ μύωπός τινος, οἷον δή μοι δοκεῖ ὁ θεὸς ἐμὲ τῇ πόλει προστεθηκέναι τοιοῦτόν τινα, ὃς ὑμᾶς ἐγείρων καὶ πείθων καὶ ὀνειδίζων ἕνα ἕκαστον )
The Admin's Barnstar | ||
For standing up for the community and unblocking User:Fram Afootpluto ( talk) 22:18, 14 June 2019 (UTC) |
The Admin's Barnstar | ||
When you were given the choice between protecting your titles and privileges and advocating for the community, you chose the latter. CoffeeCrumbs ( talk) 00:46, 15 June 2019 (UTC) |
For your awe-inspiring unblock of Fram. 67.164.113.165 ( talk) 02:21, 15 June 2019 (UTC)
Hi Floq!
I'm a reporter at BuzzFeed News and I'd like to speak with you about the Fram situation for a story I'm considering. If you have a moment, I'm joe.bernstein@buzzfeed.com or [redacted phone number]. Sorry for the inelegant way of reaching out to you — but I wasn't sure how to otherwise!
All best,
Joe — Preceding unsigned comment added by JosephABernstein ( talk • contribs) 15:05, 17 June 2019 (UTC)
Done-- Floquenbeam ( talk) 17:23, 19 June 2019 (UTC)
Based on your comments at the top of the page, I'm considering blocking you as NOTHERE, ALMOSTNOTHERE, and/or/but INCOUNTENANCE. This is your final warning (until the next warning, which may not be placed HERE).-- Bbb23 ( talk) 15:34, 3 June 2019 (UTC)
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There's the cabal of the outcasts thanking you for your appreciation of member (by what he did, like yourself) Malik Shabazz. -- Gerda Arendt ( talk) 06:46, 6 June 2019 (UTC)
Same cabal - with a new member it seems - thanking you for a clear statement about not wanting to serve a certain system. I remember the last time well that I debated with myself to stay or not (2012). -- Gerda Arendt ( talk) 15:10, 11 June 2019 (UTC)
Outcast making flowers bigger, with the message of the day: vision of friendliness, - the last thing I will give up. -- Gerda Arendt ( talk) 06:26, 12 June 2019 (UTC)
I just had reason to look back in time, to musings in your talk archive on how little it can take to get banned here ;) -- Gerda Arendt ( talk) 13:18, 16 June 2019 (UTC)
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With great pleasure, and keep beaming, Floq ;) -- Gerda Arendt ( talk) 09:36, 19 June 2019 (UTC)
I dropped in to see if a few people I respected back in the day were still around. Mark me very impressed; principles are the stuff of hero(in)es. LessHeard vanU ( talk) 15:49, 22 June 2019 (UTC)
Hi Floq. I previously quoted Community & Audience Engagement Associate
, which you repeated at
User talk:Jimbo Wales
[16]. I have since redacted that particular description, since it was from a meta-wiki profile. I am sticking to Twitter descriptions, in case there are impersonators, and if the meta-wiki person did not post that.
starship
.paint (
talk) 05:16, 28 June 2019 (UTC)
Just wanted to offer a kind word - you're good people Floq. Hope IRL is better for you than here. — Ched : ? — 15:29, 28 June 2019 (UTC)
I assume there are quite a few others in a holding pattern, not taking any administrative or maintenance actions until this is clarified but not jumping as long as there's even the slimmest possibility the WMF was in the right. There's still a slight but not zero chance that the ban was enacted for good reason and the silence and stonewalling is the result of Legal ordering staff not to disclose anything. If it does transpire that both the ban, and the unwillingness to talk, were for good reason, then every functionary who's resigned will be taken by the WMF that Wikipedia is dominated by a group of hotheads who can't be trusted to run their own affairs, and needs T&S to install a viceroy to keep the natives in order.I do recommend remaining in that holding pattern; if it does transpire that Fram was banned for uploading ostrich-pornography or mailing used condoms to editors with whom he was in dispute, every admin resignation will be taken by the WMF as evidence that the existing editor base are a clique who protect their own come-what-may, and who need Jan Eissfeldt installed as benevolent dictator to protect the public from them. ‑ Iridescent 16:10, 28 June 2019 (UTC)
Floq, I know I have contributed to your stress. I am sorry for having done so, and I hope you will get better soon. starship .paint ( talk) 01:10, 29 June 2019 (UTC)
I've been avoiding this for 2 weeks mostly out of respect for WJBscribe (80%), and a general hesitancy to do something irrevocable when maybe just maybe a good result will come of this in the end if I just waited (20%). But ultimately, Will didn't resysop me because he thought I should remain an admin, he resysopped me because it was an out of process abuse of power. If ArbCom had desysopped me, I am sure he would never have considered a resysop, even if he strongly disagreed with the decision. (He might have strongly agreed with the decision, I don't know.) I believe he did it because only the people who have the right to decide whether I'm an admin or not should decide my adminship status.
I am one of the people who have the right to decide whether I'm an admin or not.
So I think (or, at least, hope) that WJBscribe won't feel that his sticking his neck out was for nothing. I want to thank WJBscribe once more for doing the right thing, and paying a deep price for it. I also have an even better guess about how hard it was for him to resign from something he cares about, knowing it's irrevocable.
Anyway, I've resigned my adminship. I acknowledge I'm doing it under a cloud, so regardless of the result of the ArbCom case, I will need to go thru an RFA to get it back. I cannot imagine going thru that again, so this is for keeps. I'll really miss it; it's mostly been fun, and I hope somewhat useful, and a bigger share of how I've spent my free time than is healthy. But I find it increasingly humiliating to participate in something when the higher powers in the organization have such contempt for me and my peers (and my betters, the people who actually write articles). It is irrefutable that the WMF CEO thinks I am a free, easily replaceable work unit, a cog in the machine that allows her to travel the world. Those who don't drink the Koolaid are to be mocked. It is irrefutable that the WMF thinks of itself as the Master, and local communities as the Servants. Complain, and they will find a way to remove you under false pretexts. It is 99% irrefutable that regardless of Doc James' good will (I'm sorry for not waiting longer, Doc, I know this situation is painful for you), nothing is going to come of this; the WMF's plan is, and always has been, to simply wait it out.
I am no longer in any sense a part of the power structure of this site. -- Floquenbeam ( talk) 16:36, 28 June 2019 (UTC)
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Thank you for everything! We can fix this... Doc James ( talk · contribs · email) 20:16, 28 June 2019 (UTC) |
Thanks Doc James, I appreciate it, and feel sorry for the position you've been put in.
FYI, two simple things T&S could do that would take 5 minutes and would at least turn the burner off. No need for anything else in the coming week, and you can have that holiday after all. Lots of work in the coming months.
1. Keep Fram's ban in place, but give whatever evidence they feel they can to ArbCom, and say the ban is appealable to ArbCom, who would not take into account the existence or non-existence of other confidential evidence. It is literally impossible that there is some set of secret evidence that (a) they can't give to ArbCom which is simultaneously (b) so horrid that this would be impossible, but (c) that would have justified a time limited en.wiki-only ban. There is no need to identify any accusers; contrary to myth, ArbCom is perfectly capable of dealing with this kind of thing.
2. T&S can say that they will wait before making any more of these bans until after a discussion with the community results in a consensus of what to do.
Then, all time pressure is off. I have opinions, obviously, but would respect any *consensus-driven* discussion about what T&S's role in policing civility on en.wiki would be, even if I disagree.
For reasons I am too demoralized to go into, I am confident this will not happen. We are being gaslighted, and T&S is emotionally invested in not giving an inch. Your CEO is having too much fun on airplanes to know or care. -- Floquenbeam ( talk) 20:40, 28 June 2019 (UTC)
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Thank you for your service, Floq. Kudos for your decision. Please do stop on over at Wikipediocracy and have a good vent. It does a body good. —tim /// Carrite ( talk) 02:26, 29 June 2019 (UTC) |
How do you pronounce your name?
Benjamin (
talk) 04:25, 29 June 2019 (UTC)
Sorry. Benjamin ( talk) 07:28, 30 June 2019 (UTC)
Thank you Floq for your support. I hope this whole situation turns around and you'll feel better soon! starship .paint ( talk) 07:21, 1 July 2019 (UTC) |
The Admin's Barnstar | ||
Gobsmacked Dom from Paris ( talk) 16:33, 1 July 2019 (UTC) |
Franz Kafka: Das Schloss | |
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... about about alienation,
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Who will write the best short story Kafka style about the incident and its consequences, unresponsive bureaucracy and non-transparent, seemingly arbitrary controlling systems, in short, about frustration? -- Gerda Arendt ( talk) 06:11, 3 July 2019 (UTC)
The Defender of the Wiki Barnstar | |
Thanks for all your contribution to improve Wikipedia. Sincere regards. -- Titodutta ( talk) 17:04, 3 July 2019 (UTC) |
The Arbitration Committee has accepted the WJBscribe case request under the title Reversion of office actions and resolved it by motion as follows:
Community advised Office actions are actions taken by Wikimedia Foundation staff, and are normally expected not to be reversed or modified by members of the community even if they have the technical ability to do so. In this case an office action was taken against Fram ( talk · contribs · blocks · protections · deletions · page moves · rights · RfA), who was blocked and whose administrator rights were removed by the role account User:WMFOffice in implementing a Partial Foundation ban ( [17]). No similar action had been taken before on the English Wikipedia, and it proved highly controversial.
In response, Floquenbeam ( talk · contribs · blocks · protections · deletions · page moves · rights · RfA) and Bishonen ( talk · contribs · blocks · protections · deletions · page moves · rights · RfA) both used their administrator user rights to unblock Fram ( [18]). Floquenbeam's administrator rights were temporarily removed by WMFOffice ( talk · contribs) ( [19]). WJBscribe ( talk · contribs · blocks · protections · deletions · page moves · rights · RfA) used his bureaucrat rights first to restore Floquenbeam's administrator rights, and later to restore Fram's ( [20]).
Although
official WMF policy states that Unauthorized modifications to office actions will not only be reverted, but may lead to sanctions by the Foundation, such as revocation of the rights of the individual involved
,
JEissfeldt (WMF) (
talk ·
contribs) indicated that the WMF would not implement further sanctions against the admins involved in reversing these actions (
[21]). In recognition of that decision, and of the exceptional nature of the circumstances, the committee notes without comment this series of events. The community is advised that administrators and bureaucrats are normally expected not to act when they know they do not have all of the relevant facts, and that this is especially important with regard to office actions where those facts may be highly sensitive. As a general rule,
wheel warring may be grounds for removal of administrative rights by the committee as well as by the WMF. Lack of sanctions under these exceptional circumstances should not set expectations around similar future actions.
For the Arbitration Committee, – bradv 🍁 02:18, 5 July 2019 (UTC)
This user still arbitrary deletes chassis codes from italian cars that were uploaded by me:
Special:Diff/905790969
Special:Diff/538038099 and
Special:Diff/883957905
There already was a discussion about how important they are and are also in
Automobiles WikiProject guidelines.
Please react.
YBSOne (
talk) 13:28, 11 July 2019 (UTC)
Saw it again, thinking of you, and enjoy excellent concerts, see my talk, Schumann today, pianist outstanding. -- Gerda Arendt ( talk) 22:00, 12 July 2019 (UTC)
I'd have supported you in a new RfA even if you hadn't indicated that's what you'd insist on, but I really admire you voluntarily choosing that. Hats off. -- valereee ( talk) 18:37, 12 July 2019 (UTC)
This goat used to be homeless before I sent him here as a token of my appreciation.
Rong Qiqi (
talk) 17:53, 18 July 2019 (UTC)
but hey, if you can risk it, I suppose I could. :-) ... good to see you back too Floq. — Ched : ? — 02:10, 23 July 2019 (UTC)
Yo, just as a quick FYI in the RfA, I did indeed get two pings, so pinging from the edit summary worked. (I had no idea.)
For what it's worth, I like "re-oust from sysop role", but it's wordy. Or we could go super poor and have de-de-desysop. I'm sure I'll come up with something. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ( talk • contribs) 06:24, 23 July 2019 (UTC)
even-keeled option! :p —— SerialNumber 54129 10:19, 23 July 2019 (UTC)
looks like you're heading into dhmo/Giggy or Cullen territory. Stay positive my friend. — Ched : ? — 01:57, 26 July 2019 (UTC)
Floq,
I added an additional question at your RfC."
WP:Admin states "Candidates are also required to disclose whether they have ever edited for pay." You seem to have missed that requirement. If a candidate were to pass RfC without fulfilling that requirement, would he or she be an admin?"
This is not really a substantive question - it does not state that you would be blocked from becoming an admin if you had been paid for editing, it only says that you should answer the question, presumably so that editors !voting on the RfC can consider that information.
Note that I'm not accusing you of editing for pay. I'm just saying that you missed answering that question. It's quite an important question as it will help prevent our core of admins from becoming advocates or supporters for paid editors. Please correct your omission as soon as possible.
Smallbones( smalltalk) 14:11, 29 July 2019 (UTC)
For what it’s worth. My vote wouldn’t have counted for anything, seeing as how I’m just someone’s wife (so not a real person), but pulling for you anyways. Kafka Liz ( talk) 22:36, 29 July 2019 (UTC)
70+ opposes and almost 20 neutral votes for someone who had been an admin for 9 years with an established record is not a good sign. If it weren't for your many admin friends, I doubt you'd have that many supports. Do the honorable thing and withdraw, and maybe come back after a year or so because it's clear you're not wanted around anymore by a lot of people. The RfA might likely head into 'crat chat and you'd put 'crats in a difficult position once more because they'd likely favor promoting due to their familiarity with you making the chat non-neutral and would upset a lot of people. Just withdraw. Also, all the recent drama starting with WP:FRAM might actually make you understand what I meant by "the dirty politics of Wikipedia". Regards. 91.134.2.190 ( talk) 08:48, 26 July 2019 (UTC)
Congratulations on bumping me into 2nd place at Wikipedia:RFX300. It has been kind of lonely there for the past two years. Cullen328 Let's discuss it 04:31, 30 July 2019 (UTC)
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With 1/2 of the available pool of 'crats now having come down on one side, the other side, or the recuse side - I think it's safe to say that. — Ched : ? — 13:28, 1 August 2019 (UTC)
I know you'll have bad withdrawal symptoms, now that you won't be able to undo any office action. I allow you to undo any of my admin actions without asking me, even if it crosses into the wheel warring territory. I hope that helps ease the pressure :D Have fun adminning the third time around. Lourdes 11:21, 3 August 2019 (UTC)
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Congratulations on a successful RfA! Mona.N ( talk) 23:34, 3 August 2019 (UTC) |
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Yay. EllenCT ( talk) 08:10, 5 August 2019 (UTC) |
That's ... a lot of messages to see on a Monday morning. I've hopefully either replied to you directly (for those left on Friday), or at the very least thanked those left over the weekend (for those left since then - sorry, just can't keep up); if I forgot you, I'm sorry, didn't mean anything by it. It was quite the experience, thanks for the kind words and (where applicable) the support at RFA. -- Floquenbeam ( talk) 16:26, 5 August 2019 (UTC)
The 'crat chat has closed as successful. Welcome back to the corps. You'll have to find whichever closet you put your t-shirt in, since I don't think we've got any spare ones. But here's a new mop for ya (sanitation and all). Primefac ( talk) 16:39, 2 August 2019 (UTC)
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Bit late, but congratulations! I hardly need to tell you that your RfA is the most supported in English Wikipedia history! Linguist111 my talk page 15:18, 3 August 2019 (UTC)