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One thing that came out of several discussions about naming conventions was Hiding suggesting the idea of an "overview page". I don't know if he is the first to suggest it, but I first heard of it from him, so I'll credit him with the idea until corrected : )
Overview pages are different than list pages, and different than articles.
They consist of an overview of related fictional persons/places/things (or characters/locations/objects, if you prefer).
For example, Robin (comics) is an overview page. It isn't merely a list of characters with a couple sentences of text, but each section is a sort of "mini-article".
According to mergist philosophy, this is the best way to deal with stub articles.
What makes the "overview page" different, is that such information is not necessarily limited to a single location. For example, the use of Template:main, for those sections which are merely an overview of another article.
Consider the Dick Grayson who was Robin, and later became Nightwing of the Titans. An overview of him as Dick Grayson (explaining his various heroic personas) would be at Dick Grayson. An overview of all mainstream DC Comics characters which have gone by the name Robin, including this specific Dick Grayson, would be at Robin (comics) (the parenthetical required to differentiate between the character and the bird, among other things).
Each overview page would have a focus, a criteria for inclusion. And inclusion on an overview page does not preclude that the subject of a section cannot have it's own article. Such pages are an incredible boon to navigation, and quite simply, aid in understanding how such topics/characters/etc. relate or are different.
I explained the above because it occurred to me that perhaps not everyone knew or understood about such pages. And I think that knowing about them might help for some of the current discussions.
(Also, if I've misrepresented them in any way, I hope Hiding clarifies : )
Hope this helps. - jc37 10:13, 27 January 2007 (UTC)
User:Netkinetic has chosen to leave Wikipedia. While it is unfortunate that this project has lost a contributor, I think now we'll be able to discuss the fate of the articles brought up in this discussion without any of his recent WP:POINT-violating article disruptions. -- Ace ETP 02:12, 29 January 2007 (UTC)
Because this site has become a wiki, and because a significant amount of the material it has taken on from the Wikia Marvel site is plagiarized from Wikipedia, I no longer feel this is a reliable source and should not be linked from articles. -- Chris Griswold ( ☎ ☓) 23:51, 27 January 2007 (UTC)
Hey guys, it seems someone (stupid enough to try to impersonate me [lol]) is trying to create a silly rivalry between WP:COMICS and DCDP. Please, check this. If you know any admin at DCDP we could try to find out who's the poor bastard. — Lesfer (t/ c/ @) 22:45, 28 January 2007 (UTC)
Just recently I have been informed that there is a policy concerning the redlinks on this list. Currently I have removed the red links in the A-F categories. At the time I was unaware of any policy and just from my editing experience I found red links are bad.
Now I still havent been shown the policy and I dont know what it entails. If my actions were in fault then I apologize and will replace those links that I removed. To me the bad links were of no use to the list. Before I got rid of any of them I did try and find a link, my thinking being that maybe the link was not constructed right. This was true for some but not for most.
I just thought the list would appear more encyclopedia-esque with out all the broken links. Thefro552 03:54, 26 January 2007 (UTC)
Red links are not a bad thing. They allert readers to the lack of an article about a subject, which encourages people to create new articles.-- Drvanthorp 04:39, 31 January 2007 (UTC)
Well in the case of redirecting I didnt delete any link without doing a search to make sure that there wasnt a page for it. But in any case I have gone back and replaced all the links I removed. Thefro552 13:28, 31 January 2007 (UTC)
Multiple editors disagree in a survey related to whether the character Robin (Earth-Two) merits an article as a distinct and notable character, or whether the character is simply a derivative of an established chararacter. Support for merging such articles relates to condensing articles to provide more overview, support for splitting the article is for providing more detail. There has been precedent for allowing the existence of such articles or derrivative characters (please see: Superman (Kal-L), Batman (Earth-Two) Huntress (Helena Wayne)). During the discussion, two additional entries were added: Wonder Woman (Earth-Two) and Lex Luthor (Earth-One), which was viewed as not indicative of allowing the process to conclude in as satisfactory a fashion. This has been so noted and this nuance of protocol will in the future be respected by the initiator of said articles. A request for comment among the broader Wikipedian editorial community is whether the particular article in question is not noteworthy enough compared to other similar and undisputed articles. While the majority of the discussion supporting a split has been advocated by myself Netkinetic, the following editors have also supported such a decision (as to a split): jc37, Peregrinefisher, Exvicious, DavetheAvatar, Lasttan, while editor Ace Class Shadow expressed neutrality towards merging. The following editors support the opposite point of view (as to a merge): Ace ETP, J Greb, Basique, GentlemanGhost, Ipstenu, along with non-voting editors Hiding and Lesfer.
There may be questions per above on semantics and procedures that may or may not have occured during this process by this editor or that editor. These have already been commented on, and in the spirit of civility I ask that we not dredge up such viewpoints once more. This Request for Comment is strictly on the merits of Robin (Earth-Two), with consideration both to similar articles, and with the hope that a clear guideline can be established for such characters. Admittedly, each article has to be approached in a different fashion and in accordance with WP:FICTION. However a clear point of dispute, as shown by the lack of clear consensus in the survey above (with 50% for a split and 50% for a merge) is this particular line in the aforementioned Fiction guideline: "The difference between 'major' and 'minor' characters is intentionally vague; the main criterion is how much non-trivial information is available on the character." At this point, it appears from a certain viewpoint that the initial survey is evidence that with no clear consensus a split is not warranted. It appears from another viewpoint that as the initial survey was indicating a merge (not a split, which was warranted when reviewing precedents mentioned above without prior community discussion) that there is evidence that with no clear consensus a merge is not warranted. With this in mind, I invite a consensus of opinion solely on the merits of that mentioned in this RFC, and appreciate the clarification for all. Netkinetic | T / C / @ 05:35, 25 January 2007 (UTC)
I'd just like to state that my opinion is misrepresented above. Hiding Talk 20:24, 25 January 2007 (UTC)
Sigh... BBC hosting the article does not make it reputable, the writer has no comic credentials. Twomorrows may be reputable, but the reference is trivial. The moviepoopshoot.com reference is minor, and makes little reference to Earth-Two Robin but to say he's a non-person, and then it says he sacrifices himself. Little mention of his particular importance. As for the other articles you mentioned (e.g. Firestorm (Jason Rusch)), those are red herrings when the issue is Robin (Earth-Two). The article itself should stand on its own merits, and if it can't, the mere mention of other articles similarly extant does not prove that it should be kept. -- Psyphics Ψ Φ 02:56, 27 January 2007 (UTC)
I'm for
Superman (Kal-L) article. Period. All the other ones can perfectly exist within main articles
Batman,
Dick Grayson,
Huntress (comics) and
Wonder Woman.
I see what you are trying to do, Netkinetic, but maybe you should try to develop this wikiversion of
DCU guide in
DC Database Project Wiki. —
Lesfer
(t/
c/
@) 22:51, 27 January 2007 (UTC)
Woah. Have we gone just a little bit overboard and over-reactionary? Netkinetic's recent contributions look like a mad dash to remerge EVERYTHING under the sun. How about we start with asking for references first. (and FWIW, my 'supporting' merges which is mentioned above is taken a little out of context. I supported that merge, not every merge. Please don't put words in my mouth. I'm perfectly capable of shoving my own foot up there :) -- Ipstenu ( talk| contribs) 18:52, 28 January 2007 (UTC)
* do state your case on AfD in favour of the article. * don't list hundreds of non-deletable articles on AfD in one day in order to try to save it.
I think what everyone's ignoring is that we won't be necessarily deleting pages. The best option is to redirect pages to lists. After all, if someone's looking for a character via the search engine, we still need to redirect them to the lists. Thus we shouldn't be putting scores of articles up for AFD. There'll be merging and all that jazz instead. WesleyDodds 06:13, 2 February 2007 (UTC)
Fine! You want me to be all sugary? Please tell RonBatfreak ( talk · contribs) their show no regard for proper grammar, punciation, spelling, syntax, et cetera. He'a been contacted and warned about his behavior. His edits have been reverted when they're really problematic. He almost single handedly created a copyediting a major problem at Bart Allen not too long ago. Seriously, his edits seem more damaging than leaving the articles unupdated. 63.3.4.2 21:56, 31 January 2007 (UTC).
Just noticed the film WikiProject have been working on some notability guidance. If any project may mirror ours, their's is the most likely to, and the guidance they are proposing would probably work for comics. The guidance is at Wikipedia:Notability (films), is it worth utilising a variation? Hiding Talk 20:03, 4 February 2007 (UTC)
I've noticed that an editor has been on a spree replacing infobox images the pas couple of days. This in and of itself isn't a big thing. What concerns me though is that it seems he is taking the new images from a fan web site and isn't trying to track down when/where/how the original publisher used them. Is this acceptable or should the images be tagged for removal?
Thanks for listening... — J Greb 20:31, 4 February 2007 (UTC)
I just stumbled across Zonestar. There's no external sources or references listed, nothing links to it within Wikipedia, a quick Google search turns up nothing of relevance, and the article itself sounds pretty iffy (The character is claimed to be "regarded as one of the most famous and popular comic book superheroes of all time", the name of both the guy who created him and the company that published him were "Zonestar" as well, etc.). I was going to AfD it, which I rarely do, but figured I'd run it by the experts first. Bryan Derksen 22:37, 4 February 2007 (UTC)
Are we covering the fantastic looking Buffy season 8 comics in addition to WP:BUFFY or does WP:COMIC strictly focus on DC, Marvel, Image etc.? ~ Zythe Talk to me! 00:18, 5 February 2007 (UTC)
This article has recently been reverted twice now with no explaination given for either. I'd revert it back myself, but I suspect the same thing will only happen again. Any help would be welcome. Stephen Day 22:13, 5 February 2007 (UTC)
As we mentioned above these titles tend to get overshadowed - they aren't usually from the big publishers and fans of the franchise are often focused on getting crufty about the core and don't look at the various spin offs, in particular the comics and novels. Looks like we have a good focus on the latest Buffy outtings and I have been working on the Alien/Predator spin offs (although they need a lot more work) and suggesting ways to draw things together for 40k. Dark Horse deals with a number and Dynamite Entertainment produces an awful lot (Highlander, Battlestar Galactica and Army of Darkness. The last one makes my point as it is getting a lot of heat now when it pops up on the radar through the Marvel crossover: Marvel Zombies vs. The Army of Darkness). It is only when the fanbase is big and obssessive do well rounded entries appear like: Star Trek comics, List of Star Wars comic books and Stargate Comics.
From experience the Comics Project's involvement is important in a number of ways:
Anyway just some thoughts about tightening up the whole area. ( Emperor 14:43, 6 February 2007 (UTC))
2000s in comics got PRODed and deleted. I don't mind but was hoping to use it as a way to address the entire issue. It came up here and as I say there it works well in all the other major project areas like 2005 in literature, 2005 in film, 2005 in television, etc. and 2006 in comics is a great example of what can be done. What I added to 2000s in comics (which is now gone with the entry was (I think) a couple of suggestions:
So to summarise I think they are worth having but we do need to sort some issues out (decades in comics), decide on a standard format (I'd suggest 2006 in comics) and get more people involved in editing them through both passive (linking in) and active (adding entries to the to do list) means. Thoughts? ( Emperor 20:27, 1 February 2007 (UTC))
I've tagged this for clean up. That was the best tag I could find. Specifically the synosis sections of the trades needs heavy pruning.
Could someone familiar with the synopsis criteria and the books take a run at this?
Thanks for listening... — J Greb 05:35, 7 February 2007 (UTC)
Marvel Comics has been selected as the Comics WikiProject's new Collaboration of the Month. Please help improve this article to featured article standards. Hiding Talk 19:55, 7 February 2007 (UTC)
It might be nothing, but would you please take a look at recent edits by SWJC ( talk · contribs) at Liberty Belle (comics)? It looks like a huge text copied from someplace else. — Lesfer (t/ c/ @) 03:01, 5 February 2007 (UTC)
There's a copyvio complaint here in the Arana talk page. It's only a small one but I'm not sure since I haven't got the time at the mo to check it out and actually don't know what to do. Just thought I'd give you the heads up. Cheers y'all. RIANZ 03:41, 5 February 2007 (UTC)
Actually it was two paragraphs. I was not a member of Wikipedia back then (and neither were any of the mods form Marvel.com). Someone else had plagiarised of of Wikipedia, but I wrote a seperate part which was mistakenly thought also plagiarised. I wouldn't care too much but Marvel.com's policy states the paragrapgh is copyright of Marvel. Sononsj 02:52, 9 February 2007 (UTC)
I've fixed it. Hope that's better.
Hi, I am not in this WikiProject, but as a great fan of the Tintin comic books, I created a new template based on the {{Popes}} template having a wikilink to each episode of the series (from the Soviets to the Alph-art). I added it on the pages, so I just wanted to let you know! I might contribute a little more on the Tintin articles ^^
Oh, and I almost forgot: you can see the new template here, {{Tintinbooks}}
Thanks for reading, if you have any suggestions, insults, comments, propositions, or whatever, I'm here!
Zouavman Le Zouave ( Talk to me! • O)))) 18:21, 7 February 2007 (UTC)
Oops... Yeah I hadn't thought about those little links... They probably linked to the Popes template hahaha ^^ Thanks for fixing that! That would've been pretty odd... Zouavman Le Zouave ( Talk to me! • O)))) 16:55, 8 February 2007 (UTC)
Just thought you'd want to know. Wiki-newbie 17:21, 9 February 2007 (UTC)
Lenin and McCarthy ( talk · contribs) decided to simply ignore CfD results by creating Category:Enemies of Batman. Would an admin please explain the matter to him? — Lesfer (t/ c/ @) 20:55, 9 February 2007 (UTC)
Some TV shows creep into List of films based on American comic books. While they aren't in the right place there isn't really a right place. So I was thinking we need List of television programs based on comics and there is a category full of material Category:Television programs based on comics that can be stripmined for the list. Thoughts? ( Emperor 23:19, 9 February 2007 (UTC))
Could an admin please see about deleting the following to clear the CfD?
Thanks... — J Greb 23:07, 9 February 2007 (UTC)
Would you please add your opinions in here Talk:List of Justice League members? — Lesfer (t/ c/ @) 17:57, 11 February 2007 (UTC)
The entry was moved and heavily edited without any consensus and the idea of sorting it out has been floating around for a while with some other suggested merges (like movies based on graphic novels) [12] and I'd like to get this resolved so wouldn't mind more input over there. Also note the entry has been tagged for clean-up which is badly needs as there is a lot of crystal ball gazing so it needs a few knowledgable eyes to check through things. ( Emperor 15:13, 6 February 2007 (UTC))
There is currently a vote on resolving the title of List of films based on American comic books and the more input the better. ( Emperor 14:54, 13 February 2007 (UTC))
This has now been resolved. What it has now done is also helped resolve the general mess left behind when "List of films based on comic books" was move to "List of films based on American comic books". When that happened all the mentions of non-American comics were dumped. I have now restored all those missing mentions and expanded on them a bit so we now have these entries:
Hopefully it should allow us to keep the scope as international as possible and it should also help focus attention on entries that need doing (as there are quite a few non-English and non-manga entries lacking).
Take a look over those and see what you think. I won't spread the linking for abit to give people the chance to look them over.
Two independent sites are gone that I read heavily, http://sequentialtart.com and http://ninthart.com. Were those and their archives RS? Do we have a list of commonly acceptable RS for comics, or could we put one together? Maybe a simple text list of acceptable domains to draw news/references from? - Denny 00:40, 10 February 2007 (UTC)
Could someone please give me a clear, concise reason why this cat hasn't had the character article removed? As it stands right now it looks like a "team members" cat hiding among a spttering of team articles and sub cats.
As a side note, this is being used as a template/reason for the revived Category:Thunderbolts.
Thanks for listening... — J Greb 23:24, 9 February 2007 (UTC)
Addendum: Add to that Category:New Warriors — J Greb 00:26, 10 February 2007 (UTC)
The fix seems to be to add those cats to Category:Marvel Comics titles rather than just: Category:Marvel Comics superhero teams as this reflects the refocusing. ( Emperor 22:54, 14 February 2007 (UTC))
Both IDW Publishing and Top Shelf Productions have been tagged as being unreferenced and not conforming to notability guidelines for companies. If anyone has the relevant information feel free to throw it in. ( Emperor 00:43, 9 February 2007 (UTC))
Someone has removed the Oni Press tag and while I wonder about the abruptness of adding these tags to a number of similar pages (it makes it tricky to address them all if someone does ultimately have deletion in mind) but they are, in essence, right that they need to conform to WP:V and prove WP:N. Perhaps the act of tagging (and de-tagging) got editors stirred up enough they might improve the entry ;)
Also a side note they have added the Category: Oni Press which reminds that a number of those smaller companies need their own categories under Category:Comic book publishing companies with "NAME" and then then "NAME title". So those that need doing: Category:IDW Publishing/ Category:IDW Publishing titles, Category:Top Shelf Productions/ Category:Top Shelf Productions titles, Category:Boom! Studios/ Category:Boom! Studios titles, Category:Arcana Studio/ Category:Arcana Studio titles, Category:Antarctic Press/ Category:Antarctic Press titles and Category:Virgin Comics/ Category:Virgin Comics titles. If that all seems OK I can run through those tonight and we can do a general updating. One thing to note is the naming convention: there are names like Category:Image Comics titles but also sometimes the ending is dropped so you get: Category:Dark Horse titles and Category:Top Cow titles so if anyone spots one of the proposed titles categories that would work in a shortened form then throw the suggestion in.
Also while on the subject there is a Category:Top Cow titles under Image Comics - would it be worth creating Category:Top Cow Productions under Image Comics? ( Emperor 14:34, 13 February 2007 (UTC))
The IDW Publishing has been expanded. I've taken out examples of marketspeak and it needs a few more references for some of the statements but is looking solid enough that once they are addressed it should be looking good enough to remove the notability tags. A few more eyes wouldn't go amiss giving it a polish ;) ( Emperor 02:55, 17 February 2007 (UTC))
Does this category exist? Either that or Fictional characters with the power to manipulate radiation? After the category covering radiation based powers was deleted, nothing with a broader scope was put forward to replace it in Firestorm, Radioactive Man, Nuke and other related articles. -- 69.136.111.100 21:12, 14 February 2007 (UTC)
I've suggested a split of the Silent Hills comic books and would appreciate any ideas or input on it (is the name OK? Would (comics) or (comic book series) be better? Even if it is a good idea). That kind of thing. ( Emperor 02:49, 17 February 2007 (UTC))
This is currently up on the Feb 17 CfD. I could have sworn we had seen it up and deleted previously. Anyone know if this was the case? And if so, are there any links to the previous CfD(s)?
Thanks... — J Greb 21:18, 17 February 2007 (UTC)
Blimey that archiving bot is enthusiastic. As a reminder the problems have been clarified and we now have a number of related entries connected with List of films based on comics. They need more work but look fine as a start.
I am also concerned about List of live-action films based on cartoons and comics and have suggested a solution. It seems the best solution and would fill the gap (although it would move it out of remit). ( Emperor 16:31, 18 February 2007 (UTC))
Can an admin move Black Cat (Marvel Comics) back to Black Cat (comics) as there is no DC/Image/Dark Horse/whatever Comics version? ~ Zythe Talk to me! 18:58, 18 February 2007 (UTC)
Could an admin please take a look at this article?
An editor decided to boldly rename it from Matrix (comics). I'm not sure if the move is a good idea, but I'd like an admin to look at it as well.
Thanks... — J Greb 18:16, 19 February 2007 (UTC)
I'm posting this here because I believe the Project needs to look at this before things start to show up en mass as CfDs.
Currently there have been a lot of categories coming up for deletion that fall under the "Profession by Project" formatting and based on employers. The precedents be set there are going to affect some of the categories the Project is currently using as well as a few that have recently been created.
The cats this would affect include:
I think the Project may need to look at these and decide on a "yea" or "nay" guideline for these. Do we keep these? Do we set a criteria for creation of new one in the same veins? Do we endorse their removal? Or do we just throw them to the CfD?
Thanks for listening... — J Greb 02:33, 21 February 2007 (UTC)
Need a quick vote and merge, or just plain merge of Caiera (comics) into Caiera. -- 69.136.111.100 21:24, 21 February 2007 (UTC)
I'm posting this here because I believe the Project needs to look at this before things start to show up en mass as CfDs.
Currently there have been a lot of categories coming up for deletion that fall under the "Profession by Project" formatting and based on employers. The precedents be set there are going to affect some of the categories the Project is currently using as well as a few that have recently been created.
The cats this would affect include:
I think the Project may need to look at these and decide on a "yea" or "nay" guideline for these. Do we keep these? Do we set a criteria for creation of new one in the same veins? Do we endorse their removal? Or do we just throw them to the CfD?
Thanks for listening... — J Greb 02:33, 21 February 2007 (UTC)
Need a quick vote and merge, or just plain merge of Caiera (comics) into Caiera. -- 69.136.111.100 21:24, 21 February 2007 (UTC)
Anyone else noticing smaller text in the Infoboxes? -- 69.136.111.100 00:07, 21 February 2007 (UTC)
Template | Width | Font | Note |
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Alternateearth | 22em | 100% | |
Infobox Comics creator | 21em | 90% | This is based on the Bio Proj templates |
Comicbookspecies | 22em | 100% | |
Superaliasbox | 20em | 90% | |
Supercbbox | 22em | 100% | |
Superherobox | 20em | 90% | |
Superteambox | 22em | 100% |
Would some other editors take a look at this article and see what they can do to clean it up? Several of this article's editors have contacted me about this article, saying that Micro-heroes have not been covered anywhere, but I feel they are prevalent online and so must have been written about somewhere. It's a pretty notable subject, at least in terms of Internet and comics, and it would be nice if we could add some good references and remove the excess uncited business. -- Chris Griswold ( ☎ ☓) 09:12, 24 February 2007 (UTC)
Is there a substantive difference between Category:Comic conventions and Category:Comic book conventions? -- GentlemanGhost 18:59, 24 February 2007 (UTC)
We have Category:Comics based on video games and I was thinking we need: Category:Comics based on films and Category:Comics based on television programs. I also proposed a number of comic publishing companies (and titles sub-cats) [17] and might as well do those unless anyone has objections or ideas for changes. So thoughts? ( Emperor 16:58, 25 February 2007 (UTC))
On a sidenote it has been suggested List of video games based on licensed properties which would result in List of video games based on comics and I'd suggest Category:Video games based on comics. I've bumped the suggestion and it needs more input and ideas just to make sure the suggestion is solid. [18] ( Emperor 14:30, 26 February 2007 (UTC))
People might want to take a look at this: Comic Book Movie Age. ( Emperor 19:35, 26 February 2007 (UTC))
I'm not sure if I'm missing something here, but... Roy of the Rovers is listed as a featured article on the main WP:CMC page, but isn't categorised as a WP:CMC project article (although it is marked as in scope for WP:FOOTY?). On the other hand, Megatokyo, which is categorised as a comics Featured Article, isn't listed on the main WP:CMC page list...? -- Mrph 22:08, 26 February 2007 (UTC)
Apparently, there were discussions about this long before I got here, but at the moment comic book collecting redirects to panelology. Am I the only one who thinks that this should be the other way around? -- GentlemanGhost 19:14, 24 February 2007 (UTC)
After a couple of months of inactivity, there's a sudden flurry of activity. Input is solicited. CovenantD 01:32, 28 February 2007 (UTC)
This is probably a stupid question, but I take it that I can use the superhero infobox for super villains too?
perfectblue 14:04, 28 February 2007 (UTC)
Yes. Thefro552 14:18, 28 February 2007 (UTC)
It's something I've been thinking about for a while now, as a way to drastically reduce the number of stubs. If an article's page is rated low enough, but there's a decent amount of information, it would be moved to the minor character or minor group list page. Modeled on this page List of Avatar: The Last Airbender major secondary characters. Otherwise it gets deleted. It's a huge startup but it would save work later on. Once the qualifying stubs were moved, any new stubs that fit the criteria would get hit with a (merge to list) tag. -- Basique 18:41, 28 February 2007 (UTC)
This article isn't in the best of shape. The problem is the section of the character bio dealing with the superhero versions. That section seems to have thrown the histories of both the classic Squadron Supreme and the current Supreme Power together as if they are they same character. I'd simplly revert the whole mess but the anonomous editor seems to be the same one who keeps reverting Blood Brothers (comics) and I don't want to get into a revert war over this. I'm not sure how to deal with this. Stephen Day 03:49, 26 February 2007 (UTC)
Please do not bring up the debate on the validity of the categories I am about to discuss. We're all aware the tree will probably be up fighting CfD in a week or so.
Should the category Category:Fictional characters who can move at superhuman speeds be subdivided in the same way as superhuman strength and flight (into Marvel and DC characters)? The category had grown to around 200 entries, and like the other two is one of the three big conventions in superhero fiction. I thought I should bring it up here before being quite so bold as to incur the wrath of an immediate CfD response.~ Zythe Talk to me! 18:52, 28 February 2007 (UTC)
Thought you guys might be interested in this (look at the bottom). A ringing endorsement of the project? -- InShaneee 04:54, 1 March 2007 (UTC)
I just made a fix to the entry for Spirit of '76 (comics). The description of the character's history implied that Marvel had published stories in the 1940's in which Steve Rogers went MIA and was replaced in the custome by other heroes. The actual stories of Steve Rogers' replacements were not published until the 1970's, and were what are comonly reffered to as retcons. In the past I have made similar corrections to other Wikipedia entries, primarily to entries about Golden Age characters that have had significant appearances or revivals after the golden age. We really need to watchdog entries to eliminate disinformation that results from people confusing fictional contiuty with real world history. For the record, the All Star Comics did not get cancelled fue to actions of the House Unamerican Activity Commitee. Sivana did not imprison Captain Marvel in suspendium metal due to a lawsuit. Hypolyte did not debute as Wonder Woman in Sensation Comics #1, and Marvel did not publish any comics in the 1940's in which Captain America vanished and had his mantle passed on. I propose a new project to comb through comic book related entries, and fix factual errors of this type.-- Drvanthorp 02:03, 2 March 2007 (UTC)
This is very deceptive. I just realized that the article states that the last published issue of Green Lantern was in 1972! Seriously, it just stops talking about it after cancellation. CovenantD 18:39, 2 March 2007 (UTC)
How should these be handled? I'm thinking specifically of Liberty: The American Girl, by Alan Brzozowski, which was up on powerheroes.com for a few years. That URL, however, is now defunct; he took it down because it had been hacked. I've since been in touch with him, and he's sent me all the Liberty material to support a Wiki article, and there is an article pointer in the list of female superheroes. Thanks. Jackytar 20:14, 2 March 2007 (UTC)
I've just been fixing up a merge over at List of films based on comics but there are comments here suggesting lists replicating categories are being deleted. I'd rather not waste my time if such entries are going to go to the wall (there are, for example, still merges to be clarified for List of films based on English-language comics) so can someone with a better grasp on the minutiae of policy/guidelines let me know how the land lies? Thanks. ( Emperor 14:11, 3 March 2007 (UTC))
What is the policy on blogs as WP:RS. Now some fan blog may not hold much weight but if a comic creator announces a project or explains some of their influences on their blog (or on a forum like The Engine) then this is really the equivalent of a statement made in an interview (they might be wrong, exagerating, having fun at everyone's expense) but it counts as coming straight from the horses mouth. I have used such things before but have noticed in deletion discussion and elsewhere that blogs are not considered WP:RS which seems a little too sweeping. I know we have discussed online sites we might considered as WP:RS and I'd like to clarify this angle and get at least a verbal agreement that this is OK so we are all on the same page. ( Emperor 14:23, 3 March 2007 (UTC))
Just to add to the above, as with most Wikipedia policies and guidelines, the ones about WP:RS etc were primarily written to deal with biographies and current affairs and science etc, rather than creative fiction. I see absolutely no reason why you can't use an artists own blog (or even a "quality blog" that interview transcripts in) as a source for anything to do with the creative process, plot, script or even the history of comic.
The rules on self publication etc are mostly only there to prevent people from trying to pass off pet hypothesis in a book somebody paid to have printed, as if it peer reviewed work that has been vetted and published by a third party. These rules and regulations etc are simply not applicable when it comes to an artist saying that they made their character green as a homage to the hulk, or something similar.
perfectblue 13:41, 4 March 2007 (UTC)
Ok, the previous characters were both known as Power Boy.
The current character, who is apparently unrelated to the previous ones, is known as Powerboy.
Since the spelling is one word, as opposed to two, should Powerboy be moved to a separate article? -- DrBat 14:51, 3 March 2007 (UTC)
I've just added Anarky to the list of GA nominees (and added a little explanatory text) - which raised another thought, as the FA list is accompanied by dates whereas the GA list isn't. I'm no expert on the GA process... what's the convention with this? Should the date be listed - if so, should it be the version date or the date the GA nomination was approved? Opinions? -- Mrph 13:28, 4 March 2007 (UTC)
Just a note to say concerns have been raised about the name of the entry which need clarifying and sorting out [25] and I have no idea how it ended up where it did. ( Emperor 16:58, 4 March 2007 (UTC))
If possible, could someone knowledgeable take a look at the above site, judge its notability, and see if it can be improved. The page was created by the owner of the site - I was trying to help him with establishing notability and providing sources. However, I'm not really knowledgeable enough to judge whether the site should be included in Wikipedia, or whether the sources and awards merit inclusion per WP:WEB. I had him leave the references on the article's talk page - the article has currently been proposed for deletion but I believe it can be improved enough for inclusion with the help of a comics-knowledgeable editor. Thanks... RJASE1 Talk 17:34, 4 March 2007 (UTC)
The criticism section of this article regarding a comic book grading company is about three times as long as the basic information about the company. I could use some help whittling this down. -- GentlemanGhost 18:56, 4 March 2007 (UTC)
The radiation category is up for a third strike vote, so if you want to keep it, head over to this link and register your position. -- Basique 21:41, 4 March 2007 (UTC)
Basique, it is inappropriate for you to solicit "Keep" votes. You may inform people that a discussion is happening, but you are attempting to recruit meatpuppets to sway an outcome. CovenantD 06:11, 5 March 2007 (UTC)
According to the guide at Template:Superherobox, "for the debut field, provide the first appearance of the character." I noticed Superman and Wonder Woman are split into "historical" and "modern". My question is for the Captain Marvel (DC Comics) article: should his "modern" first appearance be The Power of Shazam! graphic novel (which presented his current origin) or Legends #1 (the character's actual first appearance in the current DC Universe, which is sill in continuity to the best of my knowledge)? Does continuity even matter in this case? -- FuriousFreddy 00:31, 5 March 2007 (UTC)
"First appearance" and "debut" mean what they say: The character's first appearance or debut. There's no need to add unnecessary detail to this. Put any relevant details in the article. Infoboxes are supposed to hold only the most pertinent information, which can be followed up on in the article. -- Chris Griswold ( ☎ ☓) 03:08, 7 March 2007 (UTC)
I guess I don't necessarily object to two dates when there's a cut-and-dry modern revamp of a character (like Superman), although I agree that we're probably better off not using it upfront and including information about revamps within the article itself. These are in the end all the same character, just different takes on the material, and anything that alludes otherwise should be avoided. What I'm very concerned about is articles which include retroactive dates that predate actual publication dates -- although I am having trouble finding an example now. In still other instances, such as Black Canary, the details may be valuable in order to clarify confusing characters. ~CS 03:50, 7 March 2007 (UTC)
We have entries for Twilight (comics) and Twilight (DC Comics). While these are both separate entries for separate things, this is obviously a bad naming convention, since both are in comics and both are in DC comics. Neither has a link pointing to the other, either. Ken Arromdee 18:02, 5 March 2007 (UTC)
Just wondering, between writings by Eisner and McCloud and I don't know how many else, wouldn't this term justify an article with specifics of its own instead of redirecting to Comics? I understand much is covered in the articles of the individual books, but there could be something to bringing united sources together. Apologies if this is depth-discussed in the archives.. —and hey, I found the discussion in May 2005 archive. Would a consensus land on the same decision today? MURGH disc. 21:02, 5 March 2007 (UTC)
Can I get some oversight on Thanos there's a bit of an image delete/add/resize war going on. -- Basique 21:26, 6 March 2007 (UTC)
A pet peeve of mine -- although I might be preaching to the choir considering who reads the project pages: The comic book community borrows certain words -- such as canon, continuity and retroactive -- from other areas such as literary and film studies, and law. This is cool -- nothing wrong with that. There's also nothing wrong with these words taking on slightly different meanings in discussion of comics. But if you're going to use terms like these in formal writing, please, please, please, please: look them up in a literary handbook (not Wikipedia) and be absolutely certain that you understand what they mean, what part of speech they are, and how and when they are used. The way we might use these words in conversational speech often looks awful and seems uninformed when used in formal writing.
And please, if you're going to write about a "retcon," write out "retroactively" in full. Non-comics readers are going to understand what "retroactive" means, but "retcon" is an insider colloquialism that in most cases can be written around. ~CS 04:17, 7 March 2007 (UTC)
Since not everybody is going to have a literary handbook (or is too lazy to look for it/them ;), would you give a brief tutorial in the proper use of those words? CovenantD 06:32, 7 March 2007 (UTC) [26]
Easy enough. Don't use these words if it can be avoided. Or provide a brief, possibly parenthasized, explaination of what the word means.-- Drvanthorp 19:48, 7 March 2007 (UTC)
I'm not a member yet of the Comic project, but would just like to note that I spent a little bit of time rewriting & expanding Batman: Knightfall. Thoguht this may be of some interest & maybe it is enough to remove the tag on the top of the article. Hopefully I'll be around more often. Thanks, Spawn Man 07:36, 7 March 2007 (UTC). P.S. In the references section (if there is one), are we allowed to cite comics as references, such as Batman #500. Page blah blah blah.... Etc? Thanks again...
Has anyone heard of this team? Or the members in it for that matter. Looks a bit suspect I think. RIANZ 08:27, 7 March 2007 (UTC)
I killed all of these, btw. Postdlf 17:16, 7 March 2007 (UTC)
Hi everyone. I need some help with a new portal I've started - the Archie Comics Portal. I just started the portal last night, and this is my first major project here at Wikipedia (my other contributions have generally been minor edits to various articles that are of interest to me).
My biggest need at the moment is for someone to help me get this portal to the point where it can be moved out of the "Under Construction" category. Once that's done, we can work on expanding the portal, creating projects, etc.
If you'd be interested in helping, just jump right in wherever you feel comfortable, and leave a note on the portal talk page (or reply to this comment) briefly stating what you've done and what else (if anything) you're planning to do. I think that there's a lot of potential for this project, and any help that you could provide would be greatly appreciated.
Oldiesmann 18:02, 7 March 2007 (UTC)
Needs work on the actual graphic novels the film was based on. [27] ( Emperor 20:36, 7 March 2007 (UTC))
This user is mourning the death of The Star-Spangled Avenger |
Thought it would be fitting. 8-/.
Phoenix741 13:12, 9 March 2007 (UTC)
Ms. Marvel says he is still alive and hidden in Civil War: The Initiative. -- Chris Griswold ( ☎ ☓) 10:23, 10 March 2007 (UTC)
Is there a userbox for "This user wonders if anyone learned their lesson after last time"? - A Man In Bl♟ck ( conspire | past ops) 02:49, 11 March 2007 (UTC)
Help needed. In the CfD linked above, there were sections like "Category:comics artists" and "Category:comics writers", where the conclusion was to merge all subcategories (like "Category:Superman writers") to the main category. Looks like a good decision at first, but the consequence is that e.g. lots of people who have only written for the Superman movies (like Mario Puzo or Richard Donner) are now listed in Category:Comics writers, where they don't belong at all (as far as I can conclude from their articles). Now, there are many more similar ones (both in "writers" and "artists"), so anyone who feels so inclined may have a go and remove all those that clearly don't belong in these categories. Simultaneously moving those that are correctly labeled "comics writer" or "artist", and that clearly have one nationality, from the general category to a nationality-based subcategory (like "american comics writers), is an optional bonus :-) Fram 14:51, 9 March 2007 (UTC)
A handful of pages link to this non-existent entry. This seems to be referring to the villain hang out bar that has been shown in several comics over the past 15 years or so. Can anyone confirm if these villain hang out bars are all supposed to be the same establishment? Would anyone care to write the article? Elijya 22:31, 9 March 2007 (UTC)
seeing as how less than 10 articles link here, i think we should fix the articles so there are no more links. Until a page with good references is made.
Phoenix741 15:49, 10 March 2007 (UTC)
Please review the merger of Orion (comic book) into Orion (comics) and New Gods. Apparently certain parties were unsatisfied with the merge, and decided to recreate the material from Orion (comic book) in Orion (DC Comics comic book). you can follow the discussions that led up to this here, here and here. -- Basique 18:52, 11 March 2007 (UTC)
Has the Project ever come to a consensus about including a list of "episode appeared in" for the "In other media" sections of character articles?
I'm asking based on this edit history: Special:Contributions/69.156.95.98 is adding them for certain characters for only one Spider-Man series.
I've fixed on since the edits are playing hobs with the headers. But I want to make sure this is within guidelines and consensus for the articles before fixing anymore.
— J Greb 03:09, 12 March 2007 (UTC)
I hope I'm asking this in the right place, but what criteria determines if a comic book-related article is part of the Project. Are all such articles automatically part of the Project? Or jsut ones that need work? I've been advised that I need more Project work on WP to be an admin. Thanks. Nightscream 09:24, 12 March 2007 (UTC)
::"It's part of the project if someone feels this project's guidelines, advice, and tools are useful". Interesting. This is not at all directed at you, but I question how useful some of the constraining aspects of this project on individual articles actually is...it seems honestly that anything remotely comicbook related is bound by the decisions of an established few with a specific agenda.
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Someone created a separate page for the same character. Figuring Mr. Fear should be merged into the more detailed page. 204.153.84.10 19:20, 12 March 2007 (UTC)
In order to satisfy the Listify ruling by Radiant, just tie your newly created powers lists into List of comic book superpowers and use the lists to replace the names in the Example: field. -- Basique 02:09, 14 March 2007 (UTC)
This category has been deleted and its subcategories have all been nominated. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2007_March_7#Category:Fictional_characters_by_superhuman_power How do we get this reversed? This category represents several hours of work by multiple people and it would be a shame if future visitors to wikipedia could no longer benefit from it. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Irate velociraptor ( talk • contribs)
See Contesting_after_deletion. That's your best bet. Honestly, remember that this isn't 'your' site. All of us have had hard work deleted, and while we don't always agree with it, if the majority comes down and says 'this goes', then it goes. Essentially you want a Deletion Review (see WP:DRV). Also, please don't forget to sign your posts :) -- Ipstenu ( talk| contribs) 13:39, 14 March 2007 (UTC)
found it in deletion review log here http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Deletion_review/Log/2007_March_13#Category:Fictional_characters_by_superhuman_power_and_subcategories So if we want it kept we put arguments to try and keep it here? Irate velociraptor 06:10, 15 March 2007 (UTC)
Another user and I have been working on Ultimate X-Men (story arcs), aiming for an A class article. I would appreciate it if people would go to Wikipedia:WikiProject Comics/Peer review/Ultimate X-Men (story arcs) and add their thoughts. Thanks. - Peregrine Fisher 04:53, 15 March 2007 (UTC)
Suggestion: Status should be added to the box. like Active, in prison, deceased...etc. JayDub 19:50, 16 March 2007 (UTC)
Has anyone heard of this character. It isn't the Transformer or the band and I've tried googling both the character and the comic series it supposedly appeared in. RIANZ 00:03, 18 March 2007 (UTC)
I've been reading comics for almost 20 years, and work in a comic shop that has tens of thousands of back issues, much of which I have sorted and priced. If this character really had the publication history claimed in the article, I would have heard of him. If Marvel had really published a comic called "Super Squad" in the 1960's, DC would not have created an All Star Super Squad in the seventies; this title is also not indexed in Overstreet. The concept of a rival to a major hero like Iron Man is not the kind of thing that would have been published in the 60's; this is the kind of thing that started to appear in comics in the 80's and 90's. If this character were real, he would have shown up in a more recent Iron Man comic, or in the Iron Man TV series, or as an action figure. This is someone's fan fiction piece.-- Drvanthorp 16:33, 18 March 2007 (UTC)
Would an admin move Sinestro Corp to Sinestro Corps, please? — Lesfer (t/ c/ @) 21:09, 19 March 2007 (UTC)
I was wondering if there would be any way we could add a chart at the bottom of each superhero's page showing all the costumes they have ever and from time periods they worn them from. I am not talking about every little change but like big changes.IE: superman to the electric superman red/blue, and Ms.Marvel's change into warbird and such. Phoenix741 21:26, 19 March 2007 (UTC)
No.
Doczilla 07:09, 20 March 2007 (UTC)
Could somebody point me towards any wiki-pages on comics or animation that cover how fans reacted to an issue/character/story ark, or how this reaction influenced the writers future decisions.
Are there any wiki-policies/guidelines covering fan reactions? I've checked the MOS but all I can find is a short passage saying not to use fan-fiction as a source because it's non-canonical.
perfectblue 08:53, 21 March 2007 (UTC)
Could those with a moment and inclination to establish a Spirit image consensus, pop over to Talk:The_Spirit#Image_consensus and voice an opinion before a removed image is orphaned for too long. MURGH disc. 21:20, 21 March 2007 (UTC)
Steve Gerber, who is currently writing Doctor Fate and created Jennifer Kale, thinks it is ludicrous that you rate Fate as low importance and Kale as mid-importance. Fate should be mid-level importance, no question. -- Scottandrewhutchins 16:33, 15 March 2007 (UTC)
I just checked Gerber's blog. See [32] and search for 'Wikipedia'. -- Ipstenu ( talk| contribs) 17:25, 15 March 2007 (UTC)
I'd very much like to see some words exchanged about the reasoning behind the hierarchy, beyond what is stated in the " Meaning of status". Some things about how articles are classified right now doesn't make sense to me, some may not be intentional, but some may be. Quick looks at current Top and High importance selections seem to me to reveal some elaboration in the project's philosophy would be useful. For instance, what makes an article about Mary Jane Watson, Clayface or Bucky high-importance? What's top-important about Lex Luthor, The Hulk or Archie? I for one would like to understand the reasoning. MURGH disc. 13:05, 18 March 2007 (UTC)
basicly high/top importance means the people who are the most popular, most recognized, or have made a really big/important change in comics history. Mid lvl importance are for thoese who have done stuff, but are not popular or people don't know who they are. Low is for the small "only true comic geeks know this kinda stuff". no goes under "why the f*&k is this on here" kinda stuff. Phoenix741 14:33, 18 March 2007 (UTC)
What costume do you think should be used for the main SHB image; the Arsenal one, or the Red Arrow one (the Red Arrow one being the one he's currently wearing over in JLA)? -- DrBat 02:00, 20 March 2007 (UTC)
Wow, that article sucks. One of the few geniunely notable comics characters and the article only mentions "My sidekick is a JUNKIE!" in passing. :/ - A Man In Bl♟ck ( conspire | past ops) 03:42, 20 March 2007 (UTC)
JonBidinger has now taken the exhaustive set of cover images out of Marvel Zombies - and has moved them to Marvel Zombies covers, an article of their own. If anyone who has a better grasp of the fair use guidelines than I have can spare a second, it might be worth checking that this is all ok...? I know the debate about the images in the original article was quite lengthy, I'm not sure how/if moving them to an article of their own affects this, though. Thanks! -- Mrph 21:30, 20 March 2007 (UTC)
Gallerys are bad, m'kay. Seriously, I think it's overkill. And it looks like the consensus on the talk page was for delete (Looks like 1, maybe 2 people want to keep it), but no real consensus was reached. I'd put the covers page up for AfD. -- Ipstenu ( talk| contribs) 22:53, 20 March 2007 (UTC)
There's no way the images in this article meet fair use policies. Copyrighted images should only be used when they are important to illustrate the subject matter. When it comes to illustrating Marvel Zombies and their homages to older publications, we could make an argument for one Marvel Zombies cover paired with the one cover it is a homage and our own text explaining that each cover is a homage such as this one. That's using just enough to cover the material. The Marvel Zombies covers page is a gallery that might be suitable for someone's fansite, but on Wikipedia it raises copyright concerns. That said -- I don't see a problem with a list of what each issue of Marvel Zombies is a homage of. This seems like content that is noteworthy enough to: a) warrant inclusion and b) expect that people will come to Wikipedia to look up this information. ~CS 17:02, 21 March 2007 (UTC)
Been a while. Since I logged in to post the thing, I might as well link why here - see my user page. - SoM 04:55, 23 March 2007 (UTC)
Lots of alliances have commas instead of breaks like < br >we should fix that. Brian Boru is awesome 19:12, 23 March 2007 (UTC)
I am wary of articles like X-Men: Endangered Species, which are about details from comics that have not been published. I understand that there are articles about upcoming movies and the like on Wikipedia, but the majority of comics preview press is unreliable because the comics companies rely more on hype than truth when promoting their upcoming releases. As I noted above, our urgency in reporting on upcoming comics led us to be factually inaccurate when we used the fake-out Justice League #1 cover. We just can't trust this material - convention panels, solicitation info, and preview interviews - and expect to be taken seriously as a source for relatively accurate information about comics.
Because of this concern, I feel that using only preview information as a source for an article should be grounds for the article's deletion/merge into an appropriate place until the comic is actually published. -- Chris Griswold ( ☎ ☓) 06:44, 20 March 2007 (UTC)
Has anyone been working on this? I am very interested in being part of the discussion. As we have discussed previously, we really need to do some weeding, and this will help us decide what needs to stay, what needs to go, and what needs to be merged. -- Chris Griswold ( ☎ ☓) 06:46, 20 March 2007 (UTC)
This AfD has generated some discussion about whether this article would be better served in WikiComics Project space rather than pagespace. I'm sure project members' input would be valuable there. ~CS 01:10, 25 March 2007 (UTC)
Ok so there are no references, and there is nothing about him on google. Shall we delete this article? Phoenix741 19:50, 27 March 2007 (UTC)
Well it is gone now. Phoenix741 20:07, 27 March 2007 (UTC)
People had been dumping information on the artist of the same name into Matt Smith (comics) but that isn't the right person. I was about to start a new entry but was wondering if it was actually this guy: Matt Smith (illustrator). The comics artist has done work on The Clock Maker, The Keep (graphic novel), Sentinels of Magic, Hellboy, Stormwatch PHD, etc. (I have a list). The artist has a Mignola-like style and there are similarities between the examples of comic work on those entries and this comic from the illustrator. [33] So anyone got any ideas? Should I make a new entry as I started doing and merge them later or stick that information into the illustrator entry and if they aren't the same people we can extract it later? ( Emperor 18:45, 28 March 2007 (UTC))
Wondering if something could/should be done about this. There are 2 so far listed comics-related articles at Neutron (disambiguation). The Marvel character at Neutron (comics) (clocks about 24,600 Google), the DC character Neutron (DC Comics) (27,400 Google), Maybe something should be reassessed or harmonised? Additionally there is Guido Crepax' slightly more obscure charcter/series Neutron (comic book) which ought to be renamed per WP:Comics naming convention, but I'm unsure into what. What do folk think? MURGH disc. 22:25, 28 March 2007 (UTC)
That should take care of it. Phoenix741 23:42, 28 March 2007 (UTC)
Could someone look over Ghost (Dark Horse comics) as it has massively bloated recently with little recognition of the MoS. I have spent this eveining cleaning up after User:Writersblock81 (who is the recent major editor) and have run out of steam - I also don't feel I know enough about the series to properly get it in hand. The same goes for X (Dark Horse Comics). I have dropped in various tags about some of the problems and added a note on the Ghost talk page. ( Emperor 19:10, 26 March 2007 (UTC))
I notice List of comics with vampires is up for deletion. As per my comments there should be a way to have something on Vampire comics. I found that while starting Category:Vampires in comics which might be one solution (although it isn't necessarily either or). Thoughts? ( Emperor 15:50, 27 March 2007 (UTC))
What the hell do people think "omnipotence" means when List_of_omnipotent_fictional_characters includes dozens of Marvel and DC characters? You can't have multiple omnipotent characters. A whole bunch of characters listed have never been shown to be omnipotent. The Watchers? Give me a break. Shoester 07:32, 1 April 2007 (UTC)
(Unindent)It looks like a case of a miss-applied term for the sake of brevity in writing. Both "omnipotence" and "invulnerability" have become short hand for "As close to it as it makes no difference." In the strictest of senses, neither "omnipotence" nor "invulnerability" should be used in an encyclopedic article, except maybe following "all but". That being said, there is a strong tendency in what sources are being used to bandy the terms about with out a second thought. - J Greb 05:47, 2 April 2007 (UTC)
You guys should go read WP:OR. We aren't the ones who pass judgement on what omnipotent means. - Peregrine Fisher 10:07, 4 April 2007 (UTC)
While trying to move some articles by the WPC naming guideline I've met some unexpected opposition to altering XIII (comic book), Soda (comic strip) and Rat-Man (comic), so more voices voicing in would be appreciated. MURGH disc. 11:05, 4 April 2007 (UTC)
The above request still stands. Consensus is needed to perform the policy moves.. MURGH disc. 12:24, 7 April 2007 (UTC)
Would anyone mind helping out with this article? There's this anonymous user who insists on adding his biased origin of the Juggernaut, negatively slanted to make him appear worse than he really is.
The latest reversion can be seen here. [34] Examples include changing "Juggernaut underwent a crisis of conscience and joined the team" to "Juggernaut underwent a number of retcons which were used to help remake him into a heroic figure", and stuff like "In an extremely unusual turn for someone of Cain's nature, he immediately befriended people at the mansion as he'd never befriended people before" and "Cain and Xavier had a conversation in which they recounted their past in a way much different from previously shown, and based on these new revelations immediately reconsiled their longtime feud."
I don't know if the user is connected to this fansite, which was added by an anon-user to the Juggernaut's article. The site is run by a Juggernaut fan who is angry at his current redemption, talking about "The rampant disregard of the Juggernaut's prior history and the savage removal of his genitals is far too much for a former fan to watch." I can't help but wonder if this is the guy making all these edits.
Please, any help would be appreciated. -- DrBat 21:16, 5 April 2007 (UTC)
I just closed Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Tommy (comics) as merge. I have no idea where this should be merged to, so I'm leaving it up to you guys. John Reaves (talk) 05:45, 6 April 2007 (UTC)
In the last week, Batman cast lists got turned into List of Batman films cast members. I find the charts interesting, but the extreme alterations -- (1) turning the lists into charts, (2) changing the title, and (3) removing all of the TV shows, both live and animated -- turn it into a different article altogether. I'm posting here to ask for comment because I like the old version enough that I might not view the new version objectively. I'm not sure I like the thought of redoing an article so extremely that it's not the same article any more unless the old version had been delete-worthy terrible. Doczilla 21:26, 6 April 2007 (UTC)
Marvel Database is a wiki-based user created encyclopedia like wikipedia. I've found that a lot of the material in the Silver Surfer article is very similar from the article from Marvel Database (or possibly Marvel Universe). Don't know if this constitutes a copyright violation. Anyone care to comment? Zuracech lordum 09:55, 9 April 2007 (UTC)
I've begun to add {{ Infobox fictional planet}} to DC planets, and will get around to adding them to Marvel planets. I've only added basic info and need someone more expert to update them with better or more relevant info.-- NeilEvans 17:14, 8 April 2007 (UTC)
Can anyone else look at the disscussion that is going on at the x-men talk page and put in there input. Phoenix741 17:05, 9 April 2007 (UTC)
The main image on the Dick Grayson page is being contested. We removed an older image, due to guideline violations, and have been having a dispute as to how policy dictates we should go forward. Third party intervention would be greatly appreciated, as we're having a bit of a deadlock. -- Ipstenu ( talk| contribs) 02:20, 11 April 2007 (UTC)
I notice that Orphanbot is deleting all the titlecards from List of Batman: The Animated Series episodes. T-Man did a good job making this page very slick. Is it worth it for us to go through all these images and attribute them so that the old list format will be preserved? ~CS 15:26, 14 April 2007 (UTC)
yes, yes it is, since they are tv screen shots, they should say that, and all should be good. Phoenix741 15:59, 14 April 2007 (UTC)
It looks like most articles on Virgin Comics series are copyvios. I just checked some ( Snakewoman, The Sadhu (comics), Ramayan 3392 A.D., Devi (comics)) and the characters sections were copied from the company's website on all those, and the issue summaries read like solicitation material (I couldn't find the solicitations on their website, maybe someone else knows where to find them?). -- Fritz S. ( Talk) 20:47, 6 April 2007 (UTC)
What shipping month(s) are we looking at? It's possible that it's a copy from the printed Previews that Diamond sends out. I've got a stockpile of those so if I had a specific month I could do a bit of checking... - J Greb 06:14, 7 April 2007 (UTC)
Just remove anything that's a copy vio. The sooner it's gone, the sooner someone will replace it with something legal. - Peregrine Fisher 07:44, 7 April 2007 (UTC)
Why is this such a common problem in entries for small comic publishers? Are the publishers creating these entries themselves?-- Drvanthorp 16:49, 15 April 2007 (UTC)
Many of you may have seen that the Portal:Archie Comics has now been created. Just letting you know. John Carter 01:09, 16 April 2007 (UTC)
Any problems adding user generated images of copyrighted characters if they are of sufficient quality?
perfectblue 14:58, 16 April 2007 (UTC)
Honestly, I say if you get paid to draw that character, then you can put it on here, other than that, nah. Phoenix741 02:29, 17 April 2007 (UTC)
A lot of the articles (perhaps all?) for the animated series have huge plots. They need to be condensed, anyone care to help? A full list of the episodes can be found here: List of Spider-Man (1994 animated series) episodes. Seeing as how each episode was around 20 minutes: it should be a summary, not a detailed guide to every little thing that happened (which is what they seem to be). RobJ1981 06:38, 19 April 2007 (UTC)
Now List of films based on comics is looking solid, it looks like we also need List of television programs based on comics based around Category:Television programs based on comics. Should be fairly straightforward but (like the list of films based on English-language comics) it will need policing. If no one else gets started on it I'll gear up to kicking it off possibly over the weekend, as time allows. ( Emperor 17:03, 20 April 2007 (UTC))
To make the portal:comics more interesting, we have a new, daily changing section (well, for 364 of the next 366 days at least): Portal:Comics/Anniversaries. With the much appreciated help of user Murgh, I have assembled for each date between 1 and 13 anniversaries; births and deaths of comics authors, or first and last appearances of comics. We have tried to make it international and pretty complete (so including both the important and the fairly unknown ones), but still most of the entries are American. Since US comic books don't have a true "date" of publication (only a month, usually), there aren't that much comic books included, although their authors are of course included, if their dates of birth and/or death were given in their article (it is missing from quite a lot of biographies). We had to keep the entries fairly short, and haven't used any pictures. Still, we hope it is interesting and can lead people to unexpected articles. Additions, corrections, ... are always welcome: please do not introduce dates which are not given in the articles though, and please do not include redlinks if possible. There are still two dates without any entries: Portal:Comics/Anniversaries/March/March 18 and Portal:Comics/Anniversaries/May/May 19, with 8 dates with one entry and all other dates with at least two (obviously), making a total of about 2,000 entries (I haven't counted them again). All comics related categories should be searched and included, but we may well have missed tons of other potential entries in the mass of comics articles. Fram 20:04, 18 April 2007 (UTC)
Do very many WikiProject Comics participants really pay attention to the project notice board? People post things, but how many read other people's postings? I was going to post a notice about the AfD for List_of_character_counterparts_in_the_DC_multiverse ( see AfD) until I noticed how seriously outdated a lot of items on the notice board are (like items dated October in a section where things are supposed to be archived after 60 days). Doczilla 06:59, 22 April 2007 (UTC)
List of comic book superpowers is the current Collaboration of the month. For those interested, place {{ User ComicsCollab}} on your userpage (or wherever you place your userboxes, or notice templates) to stay aware of the current collaboration. - jc37 14:13, 22 April 2007 (UTC)
not so sure this is a good idea -- Fredrick day 23:03, 22 April 2007 (UTC)
Just stumbled across this and wouldn't mind folks taking a peek at it: Star Wars: Legacy. It is obviously tricky getting the right balance but there are entries for individual issues. There was a big merge of Star Wars Tales so things weren't grouped by issue but by their trade collections and although I wasn't 100% happy with it I think it helped cut down on the bloating that was happening. The problem is I don't know the series but it made me raise an eyebrow or three as it was bordering on a loose collection of information (some like Star Wars Legacy 0 containing a large block of publisher's blurb and a list of characters which I assume must be fairly standard along with planets and ships that appeared. Very listy and not that helpful). It strikes me a lot of this would be better of at Wookiepedia but I don't really know where one could make easy merges (as far as I can tell only Broken has been collected). An older series is Star Wars: Empire bt I don't know if that can be used as an example or should be of equal concern (see e.g. Star Wars Empire 7: Sacrifice), although it could be merged by the trades (although it looks like 7 isn't collected anywhere. ( Emperor 00:58, 24 April 2007 (UTC))
Since Civil War is over and The Initative has started, the question of who counts as an avenger or not is confusing. In previews on newsarama.com, War Machine cried "Avengers Assemble" when leading the recruits at the training base into battle. Does this mean that Every registered US hero counts as an avenger. That would be a stretch because then the Thunderbolts would be included also. Comments? The Placebo Effect 00:29, 24 April 2007 (UTC)
The Mighty and New teams are definitely avengers.The rest i am not sure about. He could of said it to be like "one day your going to be avengers" or something liek that, but no unless they are in a comic with the word avengers in it, they are not avengers. Phoenix741 00:37, 24 April 2007 (UTC)
Previously I asked about the comic artist Matt Smith and now a Matthew Dow Smith crops up on Supernatural: Origins (and a fill in on Stormwatch: PHD #5) and you can see a preview here. The work (and comments elsewhere) suggest a Mignola influence. This seems like a pretty solid match. He doesn't have a home page but unless someone comes up with something better I'll bring together the various resources. If they aren't the same person we can still split off to another entry but I think this has pinned it down. Anyone know anything else? Catch an publicity doing the rounds? Thoughts? ( Emperor 23:59, 26 April 2007 (UTC))
Seeing Videoman get his own OHOTMU entry in the Spider-Man--Back in Black edition, and the entry sort-of making the continuity of Spider-Man and His Amazing Friends a canon alternate reality, inspired me to try and whip up a Videoman article. I started writing up the article using episodes of Amazing Friends posted on YouTube to refresh my memory, but after viewing and writing about the first two appearances of the character, I found that there was no videos of Videoman's final appearance to be found. I don't trust my memory for clarity of detail on a cartoon episode I last viewed about twenty-three years ago--all I know for sure is that a nerdy kid named Francis Byte got the Videoman powers, ended up as a rookie hero and was sent to the X-Men for training at the end of the episode. Does anyone with access to that episode want to chip in on this article? I've already written up material on the villain Videoman from its first two appearances, and I have at hand the Spider-Man Family special where Videoman appeared in Marvel continuity (as well as the OHOTMU special).
Also--is there any way to make a "test" page for others to view without actually creating an "official" article, so I can put up what I've already written for perusal?
Thanks -- Pennyforth 15:10, 29 April 2007 (UTC)
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One thing that came out of several discussions about naming conventions was Hiding suggesting the idea of an "overview page". I don't know if he is the first to suggest it, but I first heard of it from him, so I'll credit him with the idea until corrected : )
Overview pages are different than list pages, and different than articles.
They consist of an overview of related fictional persons/places/things (or characters/locations/objects, if you prefer).
For example, Robin (comics) is an overview page. It isn't merely a list of characters with a couple sentences of text, but each section is a sort of "mini-article".
According to mergist philosophy, this is the best way to deal with stub articles.
What makes the "overview page" different, is that such information is not necessarily limited to a single location. For example, the use of Template:main, for those sections which are merely an overview of another article.
Consider the Dick Grayson who was Robin, and later became Nightwing of the Titans. An overview of him as Dick Grayson (explaining his various heroic personas) would be at Dick Grayson. An overview of all mainstream DC Comics characters which have gone by the name Robin, including this specific Dick Grayson, would be at Robin (comics) (the parenthetical required to differentiate between the character and the bird, among other things).
Each overview page would have a focus, a criteria for inclusion. And inclusion on an overview page does not preclude that the subject of a section cannot have it's own article. Such pages are an incredible boon to navigation, and quite simply, aid in understanding how such topics/characters/etc. relate or are different.
I explained the above because it occurred to me that perhaps not everyone knew or understood about such pages. And I think that knowing about them might help for some of the current discussions.
(Also, if I've misrepresented them in any way, I hope Hiding clarifies : )
Hope this helps. - jc37 10:13, 27 January 2007 (UTC)
User:Netkinetic has chosen to leave Wikipedia. While it is unfortunate that this project has lost a contributor, I think now we'll be able to discuss the fate of the articles brought up in this discussion without any of his recent WP:POINT-violating article disruptions. -- Ace ETP 02:12, 29 January 2007 (UTC)
Because this site has become a wiki, and because a significant amount of the material it has taken on from the Wikia Marvel site is plagiarized from Wikipedia, I no longer feel this is a reliable source and should not be linked from articles. -- Chris Griswold ( ☎ ☓) 23:51, 27 January 2007 (UTC)
Hey guys, it seems someone (stupid enough to try to impersonate me [lol]) is trying to create a silly rivalry between WP:COMICS and DCDP. Please, check this. If you know any admin at DCDP we could try to find out who's the poor bastard. — Lesfer (t/ c/ @) 22:45, 28 January 2007 (UTC)
Just recently I have been informed that there is a policy concerning the redlinks on this list. Currently I have removed the red links in the A-F categories. At the time I was unaware of any policy and just from my editing experience I found red links are bad.
Now I still havent been shown the policy and I dont know what it entails. If my actions were in fault then I apologize and will replace those links that I removed. To me the bad links were of no use to the list. Before I got rid of any of them I did try and find a link, my thinking being that maybe the link was not constructed right. This was true for some but not for most.
I just thought the list would appear more encyclopedia-esque with out all the broken links. Thefro552 03:54, 26 January 2007 (UTC)
Red links are not a bad thing. They allert readers to the lack of an article about a subject, which encourages people to create new articles.-- Drvanthorp 04:39, 31 January 2007 (UTC)
Well in the case of redirecting I didnt delete any link without doing a search to make sure that there wasnt a page for it. But in any case I have gone back and replaced all the links I removed. Thefro552 13:28, 31 January 2007 (UTC)
Multiple editors disagree in a survey related to whether the character Robin (Earth-Two) merits an article as a distinct and notable character, or whether the character is simply a derivative of an established chararacter. Support for merging such articles relates to condensing articles to provide more overview, support for splitting the article is for providing more detail. There has been precedent for allowing the existence of such articles or derrivative characters (please see: Superman (Kal-L), Batman (Earth-Two) Huntress (Helena Wayne)). During the discussion, two additional entries were added: Wonder Woman (Earth-Two) and Lex Luthor (Earth-One), which was viewed as not indicative of allowing the process to conclude in as satisfactory a fashion. This has been so noted and this nuance of protocol will in the future be respected by the initiator of said articles. A request for comment among the broader Wikipedian editorial community is whether the particular article in question is not noteworthy enough compared to other similar and undisputed articles. While the majority of the discussion supporting a split has been advocated by myself Netkinetic, the following editors have also supported such a decision (as to a split): jc37, Peregrinefisher, Exvicious, DavetheAvatar, Lasttan, while editor Ace Class Shadow expressed neutrality towards merging. The following editors support the opposite point of view (as to a merge): Ace ETP, J Greb, Basique, GentlemanGhost, Ipstenu, along with non-voting editors Hiding and Lesfer.
There may be questions per above on semantics and procedures that may or may not have occured during this process by this editor or that editor. These have already been commented on, and in the spirit of civility I ask that we not dredge up such viewpoints once more. This Request for Comment is strictly on the merits of Robin (Earth-Two), with consideration both to similar articles, and with the hope that a clear guideline can be established for such characters. Admittedly, each article has to be approached in a different fashion and in accordance with WP:FICTION. However a clear point of dispute, as shown by the lack of clear consensus in the survey above (with 50% for a split and 50% for a merge) is this particular line in the aforementioned Fiction guideline: "The difference between 'major' and 'minor' characters is intentionally vague; the main criterion is how much non-trivial information is available on the character." At this point, it appears from a certain viewpoint that the initial survey is evidence that with no clear consensus a split is not warranted. It appears from another viewpoint that as the initial survey was indicating a merge (not a split, which was warranted when reviewing precedents mentioned above without prior community discussion) that there is evidence that with no clear consensus a merge is not warranted. With this in mind, I invite a consensus of opinion solely on the merits of that mentioned in this RFC, and appreciate the clarification for all. Netkinetic | T / C / @ 05:35, 25 January 2007 (UTC)
I'd just like to state that my opinion is misrepresented above. Hiding Talk 20:24, 25 January 2007 (UTC)
Sigh... BBC hosting the article does not make it reputable, the writer has no comic credentials. Twomorrows may be reputable, but the reference is trivial. The moviepoopshoot.com reference is minor, and makes little reference to Earth-Two Robin but to say he's a non-person, and then it says he sacrifices himself. Little mention of his particular importance. As for the other articles you mentioned (e.g. Firestorm (Jason Rusch)), those are red herrings when the issue is Robin (Earth-Two). The article itself should stand on its own merits, and if it can't, the mere mention of other articles similarly extant does not prove that it should be kept. -- Psyphics Ψ Φ 02:56, 27 January 2007 (UTC)
I'm for
Superman (Kal-L) article. Period. All the other ones can perfectly exist within main articles
Batman,
Dick Grayson,
Huntress (comics) and
Wonder Woman.
I see what you are trying to do, Netkinetic, but maybe you should try to develop this wikiversion of
DCU guide in
DC Database Project Wiki. —
Lesfer
(t/
c/
@) 22:51, 27 January 2007 (UTC)
Woah. Have we gone just a little bit overboard and over-reactionary? Netkinetic's recent contributions look like a mad dash to remerge EVERYTHING under the sun. How about we start with asking for references first. (and FWIW, my 'supporting' merges which is mentioned above is taken a little out of context. I supported that merge, not every merge. Please don't put words in my mouth. I'm perfectly capable of shoving my own foot up there :) -- Ipstenu ( talk| contribs) 18:52, 28 January 2007 (UTC)
* do state your case on AfD in favour of the article. * don't list hundreds of non-deletable articles on AfD in one day in order to try to save it.
I think what everyone's ignoring is that we won't be necessarily deleting pages. The best option is to redirect pages to lists. After all, if someone's looking for a character via the search engine, we still need to redirect them to the lists. Thus we shouldn't be putting scores of articles up for AFD. There'll be merging and all that jazz instead. WesleyDodds 06:13, 2 February 2007 (UTC)
Fine! You want me to be all sugary? Please tell RonBatfreak ( talk · contribs) their show no regard for proper grammar, punciation, spelling, syntax, et cetera. He'a been contacted and warned about his behavior. His edits have been reverted when they're really problematic. He almost single handedly created a copyediting a major problem at Bart Allen not too long ago. Seriously, his edits seem more damaging than leaving the articles unupdated. 63.3.4.2 21:56, 31 January 2007 (UTC).
Just noticed the film WikiProject have been working on some notability guidance. If any project may mirror ours, their's is the most likely to, and the guidance they are proposing would probably work for comics. The guidance is at Wikipedia:Notability (films), is it worth utilising a variation? Hiding Talk 20:03, 4 February 2007 (UTC)
I've noticed that an editor has been on a spree replacing infobox images the pas couple of days. This in and of itself isn't a big thing. What concerns me though is that it seems he is taking the new images from a fan web site and isn't trying to track down when/where/how the original publisher used them. Is this acceptable or should the images be tagged for removal?
Thanks for listening... — J Greb 20:31, 4 February 2007 (UTC)
I just stumbled across Zonestar. There's no external sources or references listed, nothing links to it within Wikipedia, a quick Google search turns up nothing of relevance, and the article itself sounds pretty iffy (The character is claimed to be "regarded as one of the most famous and popular comic book superheroes of all time", the name of both the guy who created him and the company that published him were "Zonestar" as well, etc.). I was going to AfD it, which I rarely do, but figured I'd run it by the experts first. Bryan Derksen 22:37, 4 February 2007 (UTC)
Are we covering the fantastic looking Buffy season 8 comics in addition to WP:BUFFY or does WP:COMIC strictly focus on DC, Marvel, Image etc.? ~ Zythe Talk to me! 00:18, 5 February 2007 (UTC)
This article has recently been reverted twice now with no explaination given for either. I'd revert it back myself, but I suspect the same thing will only happen again. Any help would be welcome. Stephen Day 22:13, 5 February 2007 (UTC)
As we mentioned above these titles tend to get overshadowed - they aren't usually from the big publishers and fans of the franchise are often focused on getting crufty about the core and don't look at the various spin offs, in particular the comics and novels. Looks like we have a good focus on the latest Buffy outtings and I have been working on the Alien/Predator spin offs (although they need a lot more work) and suggesting ways to draw things together for 40k. Dark Horse deals with a number and Dynamite Entertainment produces an awful lot (Highlander, Battlestar Galactica and Army of Darkness. The last one makes my point as it is getting a lot of heat now when it pops up on the radar through the Marvel crossover: Marvel Zombies vs. The Army of Darkness). It is only when the fanbase is big and obssessive do well rounded entries appear like: Star Trek comics, List of Star Wars comic books and Stargate Comics.
From experience the Comics Project's involvement is important in a number of ways:
Anyway just some thoughts about tightening up the whole area. ( Emperor 14:43, 6 February 2007 (UTC))
2000s in comics got PRODed and deleted. I don't mind but was hoping to use it as a way to address the entire issue. It came up here and as I say there it works well in all the other major project areas like 2005 in literature, 2005 in film, 2005 in television, etc. and 2006 in comics is a great example of what can be done. What I added to 2000s in comics (which is now gone with the entry was (I think) a couple of suggestions:
So to summarise I think they are worth having but we do need to sort some issues out (decades in comics), decide on a standard format (I'd suggest 2006 in comics) and get more people involved in editing them through both passive (linking in) and active (adding entries to the to do list) means. Thoughts? ( Emperor 20:27, 1 February 2007 (UTC))
I've tagged this for clean up. That was the best tag I could find. Specifically the synosis sections of the trades needs heavy pruning.
Could someone familiar with the synopsis criteria and the books take a run at this?
Thanks for listening... — J Greb 05:35, 7 February 2007 (UTC)
Marvel Comics has been selected as the Comics WikiProject's new Collaboration of the Month. Please help improve this article to featured article standards. Hiding Talk 19:55, 7 February 2007 (UTC)
It might be nothing, but would you please take a look at recent edits by SWJC ( talk · contribs) at Liberty Belle (comics)? It looks like a huge text copied from someplace else. — Lesfer (t/ c/ @) 03:01, 5 February 2007 (UTC)
There's a copyvio complaint here in the Arana talk page. It's only a small one but I'm not sure since I haven't got the time at the mo to check it out and actually don't know what to do. Just thought I'd give you the heads up. Cheers y'all. RIANZ 03:41, 5 February 2007 (UTC)
Actually it was two paragraphs. I was not a member of Wikipedia back then (and neither were any of the mods form Marvel.com). Someone else had plagiarised of of Wikipedia, but I wrote a seperate part which was mistakenly thought also plagiarised. I wouldn't care too much but Marvel.com's policy states the paragrapgh is copyright of Marvel. Sononsj 02:52, 9 February 2007 (UTC)
I've fixed it. Hope that's better.
Hi, I am not in this WikiProject, but as a great fan of the Tintin comic books, I created a new template based on the {{Popes}} template having a wikilink to each episode of the series (from the Soviets to the Alph-art). I added it on the pages, so I just wanted to let you know! I might contribute a little more on the Tintin articles ^^
Oh, and I almost forgot: you can see the new template here, {{Tintinbooks}}
Thanks for reading, if you have any suggestions, insults, comments, propositions, or whatever, I'm here!
Zouavman Le Zouave ( Talk to me! • O)))) 18:21, 7 February 2007 (UTC)
Oops... Yeah I hadn't thought about those little links... They probably linked to the Popes template hahaha ^^ Thanks for fixing that! That would've been pretty odd... Zouavman Le Zouave ( Talk to me! • O)))) 16:55, 8 February 2007 (UTC)
Just thought you'd want to know. Wiki-newbie 17:21, 9 February 2007 (UTC)
Lenin and McCarthy ( talk · contribs) decided to simply ignore CfD results by creating Category:Enemies of Batman. Would an admin please explain the matter to him? — Lesfer (t/ c/ @) 20:55, 9 February 2007 (UTC)
Some TV shows creep into List of films based on American comic books. While they aren't in the right place there isn't really a right place. So I was thinking we need List of television programs based on comics and there is a category full of material Category:Television programs based on comics that can be stripmined for the list. Thoughts? ( Emperor 23:19, 9 February 2007 (UTC))
Could an admin please see about deleting the following to clear the CfD?
Thanks... — J Greb 23:07, 9 February 2007 (UTC)
Would you please add your opinions in here Talk:List of Justice League members? — Lesfer (t/ c/ @) 17:57, 11 February 2007 (UTC)
The entry was moved and heavily edited without any consensus and the idea of sorting it out has been floating around for a while with some other suggested merges (like movies based on graphic novels) [12] and I'd like to get this resolved so wouldn't mind more input over there. Also note the entry has been tagged for clean-up which is badly needs as there is a lot of crystal ball gazing so it needs a few knowledgable eyes to check through things. ( Emperor 15:13, 6 February 2007 (UTC))
There is currently a vote on resolving the title of List of films based on American comic books and the more input the better. ( Emperor 14:54, 13 February 2007 (UTC))
This has now been resolved. What it has now done is also helped resolve the general mess left behind when "List of films based on comic books" was move to "List of films based on American comic books". When that happened all the mentions of non-American comics were dumped. I have now restored all those missing mentions and expanded on them a bit so we now have these entries:
Hopefully it should allow us to keep the scope as international as possible and it should also help focus attention on entries that need doing (as there are quite a few non-English and non-manga entries lacking).
Take a look over those and see what you think. I won't spread the linking for abit to give people the chance to look them over.
Two independent sites are gone that I read heavily, http://sequentialtart.com and http://ninthart.com. Were those and their archives RS? Do we have a list of commonly acceptable RS for comics, or could we put one together? Maybe a simple text list of acceptable domains to draw news/references from? - Denny 00:40, 10 February 2007 (UTC)
Could someone please give me a clear, concise reason why this cat hasn't had the character article removed? As it stands right now it looks like a "team members" cat hiding among a spttering of team articles and sub cats.
As a side note, this is being used as a template/reason for the revived Category:Thunderbolts.
Thanks for listening... — J Greb 23:24, 9 February 2007 (UTC)
Addendum: Add to that Category:New Warriors — J Greb 00:26, 10 February 2007 (UTC)
The fix seems to be to add those cats to Category:Marvel Comics titles rather than just: Category:Marvel Comics superhero teams as this reflects the refocusing. ( Emperor 22:54, 14 February 2007 (UTC))
Both IDW Publishing and Top Shelf Productions have been tagged as being unreferenced and not conforming to notability guidelines for companies. If anyone has the relevant information feel free to throw it in. ( Emperor 00:43, 9 February 2007 (UTC))
Someone has removed the Oni Press tag and while I wonder about the abruptness of adding these tags to a number of similar pages (it makes it tricky to address them all if someone does ultimately have deletion in mind) but they are, in essence, right that they need to conform to WP:V and prove WP:N. Perhaps the act of tagging (and de-tagging) got editors stirred up enough they might improve the entry ;)
Also a side note they have added the Category: Oni Press which reminds that a number of those smaller companies need their own categories under Category:Comic book publishing companies with "NAME" and then then "NAME title". So those that need doing: Category:IDW Publishing/ Category:IDW Publishing titles, Category:Top Shelf Productions/ Category:Top Shelf Productions titles, Category:Boom! Studios/ Category:Boom! Studios titles, Category:Arcana Studio/ Category:Arcana Studio titles, Category:Antarctic Press/ Category:Antarctic Press titles and Category:Virgin Comics/ Category:Virgin Comics titles. If that all seems OK I can run through those tonight and we can do a general updating. One thing to note is the naming convention: there are names like Category:Image Comics titles but also sometimes the ending is dropped so you get: Category:Dark Horse titles and Category:Top Cow titles so if anyone spots one of the proposed titles categories that would work in a shortened form then throw the suggestion in.
Also while on the subject there is a Category:Top Cow titles under Image Comics - would it be worth creating Category:Top Cow Productions under Image Comics? ( Emperor 14:34, 13 February 2007 (UTC))
The IDW Publishing has been expanded. I've taken out examples of marketspeak and it needs a few more references for some of the statements but is looking solid enough that once they are addressed it should be looking good enough to remove the notability tags. A few more eyes wouldn't go amiss giving it a polish ;) ( Emperor 02:55, 17 February 2007 (UTC))
Does this category exist? Either that or Fictional characters with the power to manipulate radiation? After the category covering radiation based powers was deleted, nothing with a broader scope was put forward to replace it in Firestorm, Radioactive Man, Nuke and other related articles. -- 69.136.111.100 21:12, 14 February 2007 (UTC)
I've suggested a split of the Silent Hills comic books and would appreciate any ideas or input on it (is the name OK? Would (comics) or (comic book series) be better? Even if it is a good idea). That kind of thing. ( Emperor 02:49, 17 February 2007 (UTC))
This is currently up on the Feb 17 CfD. I could have sworn we had seen it up and deleted previously. Anyone know if this was the case? And if so, are there any links to the previous CfD(s)?
Thanks... — J Greb 21:18, 17 February 2007 (UTC)
Blimey that archiving bot is enthusiastic. As a reminder the problems have been clarified and we now have a number of related entries connected with List of films based on comics. They need more work but look fine as a start.
I am also concerned about List of live-action films based on cartoons and comics and have suggested a solution. It seems the best solution and would fill the gap (although it would move it out of remit). ( Emperor 16:31, 18 February 2007 (UTC))
Can an admin move Black Cat (Marvel Comics) back to Black Cat (comics) as there is no DC/Image/Dark Horse/whatever Comics version? ~ Zythe Talk to me! 18:58, 18 February 2007 (UTC)
Could an admin please take a look at this article?
An editor decided to boldly rename it from Matrix (comics). I'm not sure if the move is a good idea, but I'd like an admin to look at it as well.
Thanks... — J Greb 18:16, 19 February 2007 (UTC)
I'm posting this here because I believe the Project needs to look at this before things start to show up en mass as CfDs.
Currently there have been a lot of categories coming up for deletion that fall under the "Profession by Project" formatting and based on employers. The precedents be set there are going to affect some of the categories the Project is currently using as well as a few that have recently been created.
The cats this would affect include:
I think the Project may need to look at these and decide on a "yea" or "nay" guideline for these. Do we keep these? Do we set a criteria for creation of new one in the same veins? Do we endorse their removal? Or do we just throw them to the CfD?
Thanks for listening... — J Greb 02:33, 21 February 2007 (UTC)
Need a quick vote and merge, or just plain merge of Caiera (comics) into Caiera. -- 69.136.111.100 21:24, 21 February 2007 (UTC)
I'm posting this here because I believe the Project needs to look at this before things start to show up en mass as CfDs.
Currently there have been a lot of categories coming up for deletion that fall under the "Profession by Project" formatting and based on employers. The precedents be set there are going to affect some of the categories the Project is currently using as well as a few that have recently been created.
The cats this would affect include:
I think the Project may need to look at these and decide on a "yea" or "nay" guideline for these. Do we keep these? Do we set a criteria for creation of new one in the same veins? Do we endorse their removal? Or do we just throw them to the CfD?
Thanks for listening... — J Greb 02:33, 21 February 2007 (UTC)
Need a quick vote and merge, or just plain merge of Caiera (comics) into Caiera. -- 69.136.111.100 21:24, 21 February 2007 (UTC)
Anyone else noticing smaller text in the Infoboxes? -- 69.136.111.100 00:07, 21 February 2007 (UTC)
Template | Width | Font | Note |
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Alternateearth | 22em | 100% | |
Infobox Comics creator | 21em | 90% | This is based on the Bio Proj templates |
Comicbookspecies | 22em | 100% | |
Superaliasbox | 20em | 90% | |
Supercbbox | 22em | 100% | |
Superherobox | 20em | 90% | |
Superteambox | 22em | 100% |
Would some other editors take a look at this article and see what they can do to clean it up? Several of this article's editors have contacted me about this article, saying that Micro-heroes have not been covered anywhere, but I feel they are prevalent online and so must have been written about somewhere. It's a pretty notable subject, at least in terms of Internet and comics, and it would be nice if we could add some good references and remove the excess uncited business. -- Chris Griswold ( ☎ ☓) 09:12, 24 February 2007 (UTC)
Is there a substantive difference between Category:Comic conventions and Category:Comic book conventions? -- GentlemanGhost 18:59, 24 February 2007 (UTC)
We have Category:Comics based on video games and I was thinking we need: Category:Comics based on films and Category:Comics based on television programs. I also proposed a number of comic publishing companies (and titles sub-cats) [17] and might as well do those unless anyone has objections or ideas for changes. So thoughts? ( Emperor 16:58, 25 February 2007 (UTC))
On a sidenote it has been suggested List of video games based on licensed properties which would result in List of video games based on comics and I'd suggest Category:Video games based on comics. I've bumped the suggestion and it needs more input and ideas just to make sure the suggestion is solid. [18] ( Emperor 14:30, 26 February 2007 (UTC))
People might want to take a look at this: Comic Book Movie Age. ( Emperor 19:35, 26 February 2007 (UTC))
I'm not sure if I'm missing something here, but... Roy of the Rovers is listed as a featured article on the main WP:CMC page, but isn't categorised as a WP:CMC project article (although it is marked as in scope for WP:FOOTY?). On the other hand, Megatokyo, which is categorised as a comics Featured Article, isn't listed on the main WP:CMC page list...? -- Mrph 22:08, 26 February 2007 (UTC)
Apparently, there were discussions about this long before I got here, but at the moment comic book collecting redirects to panelology. Am I the only one who thinks that this should be the other way around? -- GentlemanGhost 19:14, 24 February 2007 (UTC)
After a couple of months of inactivity, there's a sudden flurry of activity. Input is solicited. CovenantD 01:32, 28 February 2007 (UTC)
This is probably a stupid question, but I take it that I can use the superhero infobox for super villains too?
perfectblue 14:04, 28 February 2007 (UTC)
Yes. Thefro552 14:18, 28 February 2007 (UTC)
It's something I've been thinking about for a while now, as a way to drastically reduce the number of stubs. If an article's page is rated low enough, but there's a decent amount of information, it would be moved to the minor character or minor group list page. Modeled on this page List of Avatar: The Last Airbender major secondary characters. Otherwise it gets deleted. It's a huge startup but it would save work later on. Once the qualifying stubs were moved, any new stubs that fit the criteria would get hit with a (merge to list) tag. -- Basique 18:41, 28 February 2007 (UTC)
This article isn't in the best of shape. The problem is the section of the character bio dealing with the superhero versions. That section seems to have thrown the histories of both the classic Squadron Supreme and the current Supreme Power together as if they are they same character. I'd simplly revert the whole mess but the anonomous editor seems to be the same one who keeps reverting Blood Brothers (comics) and I don't want to get into a revert war over this. I'm not sure how to deal with this. Stephen Day 03:49, 26 February 2007 (UTC)
Please do not bring up the debate on the validity of the categories I am about to discuss. We're all aware the tree will probably be up fighting CfD in a week or so.
Should the category Category:Fictional characters who can move at superhuman speeds be subdivided in the same way as superhuman strength and flight (into Marvel and DC characters)? The category had grown to around 200 entries, and like the other two is one of the three big conventions in superhero fiction. I thought I should bring it up here before being quite so bold as to incur the wrath of an immediate CfD response.~ Zythe Talk to me! 18:52, 28 February 2007 (UTC)
Thought you guys might be interested in this (look at the bottom). A ringing endorsement of the project? -- InShaneee 04:54, 1 March 2007 (UTC)
I just made a fix to the entry for Spirit of '76 (comics). The description of the character's history implied that Marvel had published stories in the 1940's in which Steve Rogers went MIA and was replaced in the custome by other heroes. The actual stories of Steve Rogers' replacements were not published until the 1970's, and were what are comonly reffered to as retcons. In the past I have made similar corrections to other Wikipedia entries, primarily to entries about Golden Age characters that have had significant appearances or revivals after the golden age. We really need to watchdog entries to eliminate disinformation that results from people confusing fictional contiuty with real world history. For the record, the All Star Comics did not get cancelled fue to actions of the House Unamerican Activity Commitee. Sivana did not imprison Captain Marvel in suspendium metal due to a lawsuit. Hypolyte did not debute as Wonder Woman in Sensation Comics #1, and Marvel did not publish any comics in the 1940's in which Captain America vanished and had his mantle passed on. I propose a new project to comb through comic book related entries, and fix factual errors of this type.-- Drvanthorp 02:03, 2 March 2007 (UTC)
This is very deceptive. I just realized that the article states that the last published issue of Green Lantern was in 1972! Seriously, it just stops talking about it after cancellation. CovenantD 18:39, 2 March 2007 (UTC)
How should these be handled? I'm thinking specifically of Liberty: The American Girl, by Alan Brzozowski, which was up on powerheroes.com for a few years. That URL, however, is now defunct; he took it down because it had been hacked. I've since been in touch with him, and he's sent me all the Liberty material to support a Wiki article, and there is an article pointer in the list of female superheroes. Thanks. Jackytar 20:14, 2 March 2007 (UTC)
I've just been fixing up a merge over at List of films based on comics but there are comments here suggesting lists replicating categories are being deleted. I'd rather not waste my time if such entries are going to go to the wall (there are, for example, still merges to be clarified for List of films based on English-language comics) so can someone with a better grasp on the minutiae of policy/guidelines let me know how the land lies? Thanks. ( Emperor 14:11, 3 March 2007 (UTC))
What is the policy on blogs as WP:RS. Now some fan blog may not hold much weight but if a comic creator announces a project or explains some of their influences on their blog (or on a forum like The Engine) then this is really the equivalent of a statement made in an interview (they might be wrong, exagerating, having fun at everyone's expense) but it counts as coming straight from the horses mouth. I have used such things before but have noticed in deletion discussion and elsewhere that blogs are not considered WP:RS which seems a little too sweeping. I know we have discussed online sites we might considered as WP:RS and I'd like to clarify this angle and get at least a verbal agreement that this is OK so we are all on the same page. ( Emperor 14:23, 3 March 2007 (UTC))
Just to add to the above, as with most Wikipedia policies and guidelines, the ones about WP:RS etc were primarily written to deal with biographies and current affairs and science etc, rather than creative fiction. I see absolutely no reason why you can't use an artists own blog (or even a "quality blog" that interview transcripts in) as a source for anything to do with the creative process, plot, script or even the history of comic.
The rules on self publication etc are mostly only there to prevent people from trying to pass off pet hypothesis in a book somebody paid to have printed, as if it peer reviewed work that has been vetted and published by a third party. These rules and regulations etc are simply not applicable when it comes to an artist saying that they made their character green as a homage to the hulk, or something similar.
perfectblue 13:41, 4 March 2007 (UTC)
Ok, the previous characters were both known as Power Boy.
The current character, who is apparently unrelated to the previous ones, is known as Powerboy.
Since the spelling is one word, as opposed to two, should Powerboy be moved to a separate article? -- DrBat 14:51, 3 March 2007 (UTC)
I've just added Anarky to the list of GA nominees (and added a little explanatory text) - which raised another thought, as the FA list is accompanied by dates whereas the GA list isn't. I'm no expert on the GA process... what's the convention with this? Should the date be listed - if so, should it be the version date or the date the GA nomination was approved? Opinions? -- Mrph 13:28, 4 March 2007 (UTC)
Just a note to say concerns have been raised about the name of the entry which need clarifying and sorting out [25] and I have no idea how it ended up where it did. ( Emperor 16:58, 4 March 2007 (UTC))
If possible, could someone knowledgeable take a look at the above site, judge its notability, and see if it can be improved. The page was created by the owner of the site - I was trying to help him with establishing notability and providing sources. However, I'm not really knowledgeable enough to judge whether the site should be included in Wikipedia, or whether the sources and awards merit inclusion per WP:WEB. I had him leave the references on the article's talk page - the article has currently been proposed for deletion but I believe it can be improved enough for inclusion with the help of a comics-knowledgeable editor. Thanks... RJASE1 Talk 17:34, 4 March 2007 (UTC)
The criticism section of this article regarding a comic book grading company is about three times as long as the basic information about the company. I could use some help whittling this down. -- GentlemanGhost 18:56, 4 March 2007 (UTC)
The radiation category is up for a third strike vote, so if you want to keep it, head over to this link and register your position. -- Basique 21:41, 4 March 2007 (UTC)
Basique, it is inappropriate for you to solicit "Keep" votes. You may inform people that a discussion is happening, but you are attempting to recruit meatpuppets to sway an outcome. CovenantD 06:11, 5 March 2007 (UTC)
According to the guide at Template:Superherobox, "for the debut field, provide the first appearance of the character." I noticed Superman and Wonder Woman are split into "historical" and "modern". My question is for the Captain Marvel (DC Comics) article: should his "modern" first appearance be The Power of Shazam! graphic novel (which presented his current origin) or Legends #1 (the character's actual first appearance in the current DC Universe, which is sill in continuity to the best of my knowledge)? Does continuity even matter in this case? -- FuriousFreddy 00:31, 5 March 2007 (UTC)
"First appearance" and "debut" mean what they say: The character's first appearance or debut. There's no need to add unnecessary detail to this. Put any relevant details in the article. Infoboxes are supposed to hold only the most pertinent information, which can be followed up on in the article. -- Chris Griswold ( ☎ ☓) 03:08, 7 March 2007 (UTC)
I guess I don't necessarily object to two dates when there's a cut-and-dry modern revamp of a character (like Superman), although I agree that we're probably better off not using it upfront and including information about revamps within the article itself. These are in the end all the same character, just different takes on the material, and anything that alludes otherwise should be avoided. What I'm very concerned about is articles which include retroactive dates that predate actual publication dates -- although I am having trouble finding an example now. In still other instances, such as Black Canary, the details may be valuable in order to clarify confusing characters. ~CS 03:50, 7 March 2007 (UTC)
We have entries for Twilight (comics) and Twilight (DC Comics). While these are both separate entries for separate things, this is obviously a bad naming convention, since both are in comics and both are in DC comics. Neither has a link pointing to the other, either. Ken Arromdee 18:02, 5 March 2007 (UTC)
Just wondering, between writings by Eisner and McCloud and I don't know how many else, wouldn't this term justify an article with specifics of its own instead of redirecting to Comics? I understand much is covered in the articles of the individual books, but there could be something to bringing united sources together. Apologies if this is depth-discussed in the archives.. —and hey, I found the discussion in May 2005 archive. Would a consensus land on the same decision today? MURGH disc. 21:02, 5 March 2007 (UTC)
Can I get some oversight on Thanos there's a bit of an image delete/add/resize war going on. -- Basique 21:26, 6 March 2007 (UTC)
A pet peeve of mine -- although I might be preaching to the choir considering who reads the project pages: The comic book community borrows certain words -- such as canon, continuity and retroactive -- from other areas such as literary and film studies, and law. This is cool -- nothing wrong with that. There's also nothing wrong with these words taking on slightly different meanings in discussion of comics. But if you're going to use terms like these in formal writing, please, please, please, please: look them up in a literary handbook (not Wikipedia) and be absolutely certain that you understand what they mean, what part of speech they are, and how and when they are used. The way we might use these words in conversational speech often looks awful and seems uninformed when used in formal writing.
And please, if you're going to write about a "retcon," write out "retroactively" in full. Non-comics readers are going to understand what "retroactive" means, but "retcon" is an insider colloquialism that in most cases can be written around. ~CS 04:17, 7 March 2007 (UTC)
Since not everybody is going to have a literary handbook (or is too lazy to look for it/them ;), would you give a brief tutorial in the proper use of those words? CovenantD 06:32, 7 March 2007 (UTC) [26]
Easy enough. Don't use these words if it can be avoided. Or provide a brief, possibly parenthasized, explaination of what the word means.-- Drvanthorp 19:48, 7 March 2007 (UTC)
I'm not a member yet of the Comic project, but would just like to note that I spent a little bit of time rewriting & expanding Batman: Knightfall. Thoguht this may be of some interest & maybe it is enough to remove the tag on the top of the article. Hopefully I'll be around more often. Thanks, Spawn Man 07:36, 7 March 2007 (UTC). P.S. In the references section (if there is one), are we allowed to cite comics as references, such as Batman #500. Page blah blah blah.... Etc? Thanks again...
Has anyone heard of this team? Or the members in it for that matter. Looks a bit suspect I think. RIANZ 08:27, 7 March 2007 (UTC)
I killed all of these, btw. Postdlf 17:16, 7 March 2007 (UTC)
Hi everyone. I need some help with a new portal I've started - the Archie Comics Portal. I just started the portal last night, and this is my first major project here at Wikipedia (my other contributions have generally been minor edits to various articles that are of interest to me).
My biggest need at the moment is for someone to help me get this portal to the point where it can be moved out of the "Under Construction" category. Once that's done, we can work on expanding the portal, creating projects, etc.
If you'd be interested in helping, just jump right in wherever you feel comfortable, and leave a note on the portal talk page (or reply to this comment) briefly stating what you've done and what else (if anything) you're planning to do. I think that there's a lot of potential for this project, and any help that you could provide would be greatly appreciated.
Oldiesmann 18:02, 7 March 2007 (UTC)
Needs work on the actual graphic novels the film was based on. [27] ( Emperor 20:36, 7 March 2007 (UTC))
This user is mourning the death of The Star-Spangled Avenger |
Thought it would be fitting. 8-/.
Phoenix741 13:12, 9 March 2007 (UTC)
Ms. Marvel says he is still alive and hidden in Civil War: The Initiative. -- Chris Griswold ( ☎ ☓) 10:23, 10 March 2007 (UTC)
Is there a userbox for "This user wonders if anyone learned their lesson after last time"? - A Man In Bl♟ck ( conspire | past ops) 02:49, 11 March 2007 (UTC)
Help needed. In the CfD linked above, there were sections like "Category:comics artists" and "Category:comics writers", where the conclusion was to merge all subcategories (like "Category:Superman writers") to the main category. Looks like a good decision at first, but the consequence is that e.g. lots of people who have only written for the Superman movies (like Mario Puzo or Richard Donner) are now listed in Category:Comics writers, where they don't belong at all (as far as I can conclude from their articles). Now, there are many more similar ones (both in "writers" and "artists"), so anyone who feels so inclined may have a go and remove all those that clearly don't belong in these categories. Simultaneously moving those that are correctly labeled "comics writer" or "artist", and that clearly have one nationality, from the general category to a nationality-based subcategory (like "american comics writers), is an optional bonus :-) Fram 14:51, 9 March 2007 (UTC)
A handful of pages link to this non-existent entry. This seems to be referring to the villain hang out bar that has been shown in several comics over the past 15 years or so. Can anyone confirm if these villain hang out bars are all supposed to be the same establishment? Would anyone care to write the article? Elijya 22:31, 9 March 2007 (UTC)
seeing as how less than 10 articles link here, i think we should fix the articles so there are no more links. Until a page with good references is made.
Phoenix741 15:49, 10 March 2007 (UTC)
Please review the merger of Orion (comic book) into Orion (comics) and New Gods. Apparently certain parties were unsatisfied with the merge, and decided to recreate the material from Orion (comic book) in Orion (DC Comics comic book). you can follow the discussions that led up to this here, here and here. -- Basique 18:52, 11 March 2007 (UTC)
Has the Project ever come to a consensus about including a list of "episode appeared in" for the "In other media" sections of character articles?
I'm asking based on this edit history: Special:Contributions/69.156.95.98 is adding them for certain characters for only one Spider-Man series.
I've fixed on since the edits are playing hobs with the headers. But I want to make sure this is within guidelines and consensus for the articles before fixing anymore.
— J Greb 03:09, 12 March 2007 (UTC)
I hope I'm asking this in the right place, but what criteria determines if a comic book-related article is part of the Project. Are all such articles automatically part of the Project? Or jsut ones that need work? I've been advised that I need more Project work on WP to be an admin. Thanks. Nightscream 09:24, 12 March 2007 (UTC)
::"It's part of the project if someone feels this project's guidelines, advice, and tools are useful". Interesting. This is not at all directed at you, but I question how useful some of the constraining aspects of this project on individual articles actually is...it seems honestly that anything remotely comicbook related is bound by the decisions of an established few with a specific agenda.
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Someone created a separate page for the same character. Figuring Mr. Fear should be merged into the more detailed page. 204.153.84.10 19:20, 12 March 2007 (UTC)
In order to satisfy the Listify ruling by Radiant, just tie your newly created powers lists into List of comic book superpowers and use the lists to replace the names in the Example: field. -- Basique 02:09, 14 March 2007 (UTC)
This category has been deleted and its subcategories have all been nominated. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2007_March_7#Category:Fictional_characters_by_superhuman_power How do we get this reversed? This category represents several hours of work by multiple people and it would be a shame if future visitors to wikipedia could no longer benefit from it. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Irate velociraptor ( talk • contribs)
See Contesting_after_deletion. That's your best bet. Honestly, remember that this isn't 'your' site. All of us have had hard work deleted, and while we don't always agree with it, if the majority comes down and says 'this goes', then it goes. Essentially you want a Deletion Review (see WP:DRV). Also, please don't forget to sign your posts :) -- Ipstenu ( talk| contribs) 13:39, 14 March 2007 (UTC)
found it in deletion review log here http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Deletion_review/Log/2007_March_13#Category:Fictional_characters_by_superhuman_power_and_subcategories So if we want it kept we put arguments to try and keep it here? Irate velociraptor 06:10, 15 March 2007 (UTC)
Another user and I have been working on Ultimate X-Men (story arcs), aiming for an A class article. I would appreciate it if people would go to Wikipedia:WikiProject Comics/Peer review/Ultimate X-Men (story arcs) and add their thoughts. Thanks. - Peregrine Fisher 04:53, 15 March 2007 (UTC)
Suggestion: Status should be added to the box. like Active, in prison, deceased...etc. JayDub 19:50, 16 March 2007 (UTC)
Has anyone heard of this character. It isn't the Transformer or the band and I've tried googling both the character and the comic series it supposedly appeared in. RIANZ 00:03, 18 March 2007 (UTC)
I've been reading comics for almost 20 years, and work in a comic shop that has tens of thousands of back issues, much of which I have sorted and priced. If this character really had the publication history claimed in the article, I would have heard of him. If Marvel had really published a comic called "Super Squad" in the 1960's, DC would not have created an All Star Super Squad in the seventies; this title is also not indexed in Overstreet. The concept of a rival to a major hero like Iron Man is not the kind of thing that would have been published in the 60's; this is the kind of thing that started to appear in comics in the 80's and 90's. If this character were real, he would have shown up in a more recent Iron Man comic, or in the Iron Man TV series, or as an action figure. This is someone's fan fiction piece.-- Drvanthorp 16:33, 18 March 2007 (UTC)
Would an admin move Sinestro Corp to Sinestro Corps, please? — Lesfer (t/ c/ @) 21:09, 19 March 2007 (UTC)
I was wondering if there would be any way we could add a chart at the bottom of each superhero's page showing all the costumes they have ever and from time periods they worn them from. I am not talking about every little change but like big changes.IE: superman to the electric superman red/blue, and Ms.Marvel's change into warbird and such. Phoenix741 21:26, 19 March 2007 (UTC)
No.
Doczilla 07:09, 20 March 2007 (UTC)
Could somebody point me towards any wiki-pages on comics or animation that cover how fans reacted to an issue/character/story ark, or how this reaction influenced the writers future decisions.
Are there any wiki-policies/guidelines covering fan reactions? I've checked the MOS but all I can find is a short passage saying not to use fan-fiction as a source because it's non-canonical.
perfectblue 08:53, 21 March 2007 (UTC)
Could those with a moment and inclination to establish a Spirit image consensus, pop over to Talk:The_Spirit#Image_consensus and voice an opinion before a removed image is orphaned for too long. MURGH disc. 21:20, 21 March 2007 (UTC)
Steve Gerber, who is currently writing Doctor Fate and created Jennifer Kale, thinks it is ludicrous that you rate Fate as low importance and Kale as mid-importance. Fate should be mid-level importance, no question. -- Scottandrewhutchins 16:33, 15 March 2007 (UTC)
I just checked Gerber's blog. See [32] and search for 'Wikipedia'. -- Ipstenu ( talk| contribs) 17:25, 15 March 2007 (UTC)
I'd very much like to see some words exchanged about the reasoning behind the hierarchy, beyond what is stated in the " Meaning of status". Some things about how articles are classified right now doesn't make sense to me, some may not be intentional, but some may be. Quick looks at current Top and High importance selections seem to me to reveal some elaboration in the project's philosophy would be useful. For instance, what makes an article about Mary Jane Watson, Clayface or Bucky high-importance? What's top-important about Lex Luthor, The Hulk or Archie? I for one would like to understand the reasoning. MURGH disc. 13:05, 18 March 2007 (UTC)
basicly high/top importance means the people who are the most popular, most recognized, or have made a really big/important change in comics history. Mid lvl importance are for thoese who have done stuff, but are not popular or people don't know who they are. Low is for the small "only true comic geeks know this kinda stuff". no goes under "why the f*&k is this on here" kinda stuff. Phoenix741 14:33, 18 March 2007 (UTC)
What costume do you think should be used for the main SHB image; the Arsenal one, or the Red Arrow one (the Red Arrow one being the one he's currently wearing over in JLA)? -- DrBat 02:00, 20 March 2007 (UTC)
Wow, that article sucks. One of the few geniunely notable comics characters and the article only mentions "My sidekick is a JUNKIE!" in passing. :/ - A Man In Bl♟ck ( conspire | past ops) 03:42, 20 March 2007 (UTC)
JonBidinger has now taken the exhaustive set of cover images out of Marvel Zombies - and has moved them to Marvel Zombies covers, an article of their own. If anyone who has a better grasp of the fair use guidelines than I have can spare a second, it might be worth checking that this is all ok...? I know the debate about the images in the original article was quite lengthy, I'm not sure how/if moving them to an article of their own affects this, though. Thanks! -- Mrph 21:30, 20 March 2007 (UTC)
Gallerys are bad, m'kay. Seriously, I think it's overkill. And it looks like the consensus on the talk page was for delete (Looks like 1, maybe 2 people want to keep it), but no real consensus was reached. I'd put the covers page up for AfD. -- Ipstenu ( talk| contribs) 22:53, 20 March 2007 (UTC)
There's no way the images in this article meet fair use policies. Copyrighted images should only be used when they are important to illustrate the subject matter. When it comes to illustrating Marvel Zombies and their homages to older publications, we could make an argument for one Marvel Zombies cover paired with the one cover it is a homage and our own text explaining that each cover is a homage such as this one. That's using just enough to cover the material. The Marvel Zombies covers page is a gallery that might be suitable for someone's fansite, but on Wikipedia it raises copyright concerns. That said -- I don't see a problem with a list of what each issue of Marvel Zombies is a homage of. This seems like content that is noteworthy enough to: a) warrant inclusion and b) expect that people will come to Wikipedia to look up this information. ~CS 17:02, 21 March 2007 (UTC)
Been a while. Since I logged in to post the thing, I might as well link why here - see my user page. - SoM 04:55, 23 March 2007 (UTC)
Lots of alliances have commas instead of breaks like < br >we should fix that. Brian Boru is awesome 19:12, 23 March 2007 (UTC)
I am wary of articles like X-Men: Endangered Species, which are about details from comics that have not been published. I understand that there are articles about upcoming movies and the like on Wikipedia, but the majority of comics preview press is unreliable because the comics companies rely more on hype than truth when promoting their upcoming releases. As I noted above, our urgency in reporting on upcoming comics led us to be factually inaccurate when we used the fake-out Justice League #1 cover. We just can't trust this material - convention panels, solicitation info, and preview interviews - and expect to be taken seriously as a source for relatively accurate information about comics.
Because of this concern, I feel that using only preview information as a source for an article should be grounds for the article's deletion/merge into an appropriate place until the comic is actually published. -- Chris Griswold ( ☎ ☓) 06:44, 20 March 2007 (UTC)
Has anyone been working on this? I am very interested in being part of the discussion. As we have discussed previously, we really need to do some weeding, and this will help us decide what needs to stay, what needs to go, and what needs to be merged. -- Chris Griswold ( ☎ ☓) 06:46, 20 March 2007 (UTC)
This AfD has generated some discussion about whether this article would be better served in WikiComics Project space rather than pagespace. I'm sure project members' input would be valuable there. ~CS 01:10, 25 March 2007 (UTC)
Ok so there are no references, and there is nothing about him on google. Shall we delete this article? Phoenix741 19:50, 27 March 2007 (UTC)
Well it is gone now. Phoenix741 20:07, 27 March 2007 (UTC)
People had been dumping information on the artist of the same name into Matt Smith (comics) but that isn't the right person. I was about to start a new entry but was wondering if it was actually this guy: Matt Smith (illustrator). The comics artist has done work on The Clock Maker, The Keep (graphic novel), Sentinels of Magic, Hellboy, Stormwatch PHD, etc. (I have a list). The artist has a Mignola-like style and there are similarities between the examples of comic work on those entries and this comic from the illustrator. [33] So anyone got any ideas? Should I make a new entry as I started doing and merge them later or stick that information into the illustrator entry and if they aren't the same people we can extract it later? ( Emperor 18:45, 28 March 2007 (UTC))
Wondering if something could/should be done about this. There are 2 so far listed comics-related articles at Neutron (disambiguation). The Marvel character at Neutron (comics) (clocks about 24,600 Google), the DC character Neutron (DC Comics) (27,400 Google), Maybe something should be reassessed or harmonised? Additionally there is Guido Crepax' slightly more obscure charcter/series Neutron (comic book) which ought to be renamed per WP:Comics naming convention, but I'm unsure into what. What do folk think? MURGH disc. 22:25, 28 March 2007 (UTC)
That should take care of it. Phoenix741 23:42, 28 March 2007 (UTC)
Could someone look over Ghost (Dark Horse comics) as it has massively bloated recently with little recognition of the MoS. I have spent this eveining cleaning up after User:Writersblock81 (who is the recent major editor) and have run out of steam - I also don't feel I know enough about the series to properly get it in hand. The same goes for X (Dark Horse Comics). I have dropped in various tags about some of the problems and added a note on the Ghost talk page. ( Emperor 19:10, 26 March 2007 (UTC))
I notice List of comics with vampires is up for deletion. As per my comments there should be a way to have something on Vampire comics. I found that while starting Category:Vampires in comics which might be one solution (although it isn't necessarily either or). Thoughts? ( Emperor 15:50, 27 March 2007 (UTC))
What the hell do people think "omnipotence" means when List_of_omnipotent_fictional_characters includes dozens of Marvel and DC characters? You can't have multiple omnipotent characters. A whole bunch of characters listed have never been shown to be omnipotent. The Watchers? Give me a break. Shoester 07:32, 1 April 2007 (UTC)
(Unindent)It looks like a case of a miss-applied term for the sake of brevity in writing. Both "omnipotence" and "invulnerability" have become short hand for "As close to it as it makes no difference." In the strictest of senses, neither "omnipotence" nor "invulnerability" should be used in an encyclopedic article, except maybe following "all but". That being said, there is a strong tendency in what sources are being used to bandy the terms about with out a second thought. - J Greb 05:47, 2 April 2007 (UTC)
You guys should go read WP:OR. We aren't the ones who pass judgement on what omnipotent means. - Peregrine Fisher 10:07, 4 April 2007 (UTC)
While trying to move some articles by the WPC naming guideline I've met some unexpected opposition to altering XIII (comic book), Soda (comic strip) and Rat-Man (comic), so more voices voicing in would be appreciated. MURGH disc. 11:05, 4 April 2007 (UTC)
The above request still stands. Consensus is needed to perform the policy moves.. MURGH disc. 12:24, 7 April 2007 (UTC)
Would anyone mind helping out with this article? There's this anonymous user who insists on adding his biased origin of the Juggernaut, negatively slanted to make him appear worse than he really is.
The latest reversion can be seen here. [34] Examples include changing "Juggernaut underwent a crisis of conscience and joined the team" to "Juggernaut underwent a number of retcons which were used to help remake him into a heroic figure", and stuff like "In an extremely unusual turn for someone of Cain's nature, he immediately befriended people at the mansion as he'd never befriended people before" and "Cain and Xavier had a conversation in which they recounted their past in a way much different from previously shown, and based on these new revelations immediately reconsiled their longtime feud."
I don't know if the user is connected to this fansite, which was added by an anon-user to the Juggernaut's article. The site is run by a Juggernaut fan who is angry at his current redemption, talking about "The rampant disregard of the Juggernaut's prior history and the savage removal of his genitals is far too much for a former fan to watch." I can't help but wonder if this is the guy making all these edits.
Please, any help would be appreciated. -- DrBat 21:16, 5 April 2007 (UTC)
I just closed Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Tommy (comics) as merge. I have no idea where this should be merged to, so I'm leaving it up to you guys. John Reaves (talk) 05:45, 6 April 2007 (UTC)
In the last week, Batman cast lists got turned into List of Batman films cast members. I find the charts interesting, but the extreme alterations -- (1) turning the lists into charts, (2) changing the title, and (3) removing all of the TV shows, both live and animated -- turn it into a different article altogether. I'm posting here to ask for comment because I like the old version enough that I might not view the new version objectively. I'm not sure I like the thought of redoing an article so extremely that it's not the same article any more unless the old version had been delete-worthy terrible. Doczilla 21:26, 6 April 2007 (UTC)
Marvel Database is a wiki-based user created encyclopedia like wikipedia. I've found that a lot of the material in the Silver Surfer article is very similar from the article from Marvel Database (or possibly Marvel Universe). Don't know if this constitutes a copyright violation. Anyone care to comment? Zuracech lordum 09:55, 9 April 2007 (UTC)
I've begun to add {{ Infobox fictional planet}} to DC planets, and will get around to adding them to Marvel planets. I've only added basic info and need someone more expert to update them with better or more relevant info.-- NeilEvans 17:14, 8 April 2007 (UTC)
Can anyone else look at the disscussion that is going on at the x-men talk page and put in there input. Phoenix741 17:05, 9 April 2007 (UTC)
The main image on the Dick Grayson page is being contested. We removed an older image, due to guideline violations, and have been having a dispute as to how policy dictates we should go forward. Third party intervention would be greatly appreciated, as we're having a bit of a deadlock. -- Ipstenu ( talk| contribs) 02:20, 11 April 2007 (UTC)
I notice that Orphanbot is deleting all the titlecards from List of Batman: The Animated Series episodes. T-Man did a good job making this page very slick. Is it worth it for us to go through all these images and attribute them so that the old list format will be preserved? ~CS 15:26, 14 April 2007 (UTC)
yes, yes it is, since they are tv screen shots, they should say that, and all should be good. Phoenix741 15:59, 14 April 2007 (UTC)
It looks like most articles on Virgin Comics series are copyvios. I just checked some ( Snakewoman, The Sadhu (comics), Ramayan 3392 A.D., Devi (comics)) and the characters sections were copied from the company's website on all those, and the issue summaries read like solicitation material (I couldn't find the solicitations on their website, maybe someone else knows where to find them?). -- Fritz S. ( Talk) 20:47, 6 April 2007 (UTC)
What shipping month(s) are we looking at? It's possible that it's a copy from the printed Previews that Diamond sends out. I've got a stockpile of those so if I had a specific month I could do a bit of checking... - J Greb 06:14, 7 April 2007 (UTC)
Just remove anything that's a copy vio. The sooner it's gone, the sooner someone will replace it with something legal. - Peregrine Fisher 07:44, 7 April 2007 (UTC)
Why is this such a common problem in entries for small comic publishers? Are the publishers creating these entries themselves?-- Drvanthorp 16:49, 15 April 2007 (UTC)
Many of you may have seen that the Portal:Archie Comics has now been created. Just letting you know. John Carter 01:09, 16 April 2007 (UTC)
Any problems adding user generated images of copyrighted characters if they are of sufficient quality?
perfectblue 14:58, 16 April 2007 (UTC)
Honestly, I say if you get paid to draw that character, then you can put it on here, other than that, nah. Phoenix741 02:29, 17 April 2007 (UTC)
A lot of the articles (perhaps all?) for the animated series have huge plots. They need to be condensed, anyone care to help? A full list of the episodes can be found here: List of Spider-Man (1994 animated series) episodes. Seeing as how each episode was around 20 minutes: it should be a summary, not a detailed guide to every little thing that happened (which is what they seem to be). RobJ1981 06:38, 19 April 2007 (UTC)
Now List of films based on comics is looking solid, it looks like we also need List of television programs based on comics based around Category:Television programs based on comics. Should be fairly straightforward but (like the list of films based on English-language comics) it will need policing. If no one else gets started on it I'll gear up to kicking it off possibly over the weekend, as time allows. ( Emperor 17:03, 20 April 2007 (UTC))
To make the portal:comics more interesting, we have a new, daily changing section (well, for 364 of the next 366 days at least): Portal:Comics/Anniversaries. With the much appreciated help of user Murgh, I have assembled for each date between 1 and 13 anniversaries; births and deaths of comics authors, or first and last appearances of comics. We have tried to make it international and pretty complete (so including both the important and the fairly unknown ones), but still most of the entries are American. Since US comic books don't have a true "date" of publication (only a month, usually), there aren't that much comic books included, although their authors are of course included, if their dates of birth and/or death were given in their article (it is missing from quite a lot of biographies). We had to keep the entries fairly short, and haven't used any pictures. Still, we hope it is interesting and can lead people to unexpected articles. Additions, corrections, ... are always welcome: please do not introduce dates which are not given in the articles though, and please do not include redlinks if possible. There are still two dates without any entries: Portal:Comics/Anniversaries/March/March 18 and Portal:Comics/Anniversaries/May/May 19, with 8 dates with one entry and all other dates with at least two (obviously), making a total of about 2,000 entries (I haven't counted them again). All comics related categories should be searched and included, but we may well have missed tons of other potential entries in the mass of comics articles. Fram 20:04, 18 April 2007 (UTC)
Do very many WikiProject Comics participants really pay attention to the project notice board? People post things, but how many read other people's postings? I was going to post a notice about the AfD for List_of_character_counterparts_in_the_DC_multiverse ( see AfD) until I noticed how seriously outdated a lot of items on the notice board are (like items dated October in a section where things are supposed to be archived after 60 days). Doczilla 06:59, 22 April 2007 (UTC)
List of comic book superpowers is the current Collaboration of the month. For those interested, place {{ User ComicsCollab}} on your userpage (or wherever you place your userboxes, or notice templates) to stay aware of the current collaboration. - jc37 14:13, 22 April 2007 (UTC)
not so sure this is a good idea -- Fredrick day 23:03, 22 April 2007 (UTC)
Just stumbled across this and wouldn't mind folks taking a peek at it: Star Wars: Legacy. It is obviously tricky getting the right balance but there are entries for individual issues. There was a big merge of Star Wars Tales so things weren't grouped by issue but by their trade collections and although I wasn't 100% happy with it I think it helped cut down on the bloating that was happening. The problem is I don't know the series but it made me raise an eyebrow or three as it was bordering on a loose collection of information (some like Star Wars Legacy 0 containing a large block of publisher's blurb and a list of characters which I assume must be fairly standard along with planets and ships that appeared. Very listy and not that helpful). It strikes me a lot of this would be better of at Wookiepedia but I don't really know where one could make easy merges (as far as I can tell only Broken has been collected). An older series is Star Wars: Empire bt I don't know if that can be used as an example or should be of equal concern (see e.g. Star Wars Empire 7: Sacrifice), although it could be merged by the trades (although it looks like 7 isn't collected anywhere. ( Emperor 00:58, 24 April 2007 (UTC))
Since Civil War is over and The Initative has started, the question of who counts as an avenger or not is confusing. In previews on newsarama.com, War Machine cried "Avengers Assemble" when leading the recruits at the training base into battle. Does this mean that Every registered US hero counts as an avenger. That would be a stretch because then the Thunderbolts would be included also. Comments? The Placebo Effect 00:29, 24 April 2007 (UTC)
The Mighty and New teams are definitely avengers.The rest i am not sure about. He could of said it to be like "one day your going to be avengers" or something liek that, but no unless they are in a comic with the word avengers in it, they are not avengers. Phoenix741 00:37, 24 April 2007 (UTC)
Previously I asked about the comic artist Matt Smith and now a Matthew Dow Smith crops up on Supernatural: Origins (and a fill in on Stormwatch: PHD #5) and you can see a preview here. The work (and comments elsewhere) suggest a Mignola influence. This seems like a pretty solid match. He doesn't have a home page but unless someone comes up with something better I'll bring together the various resources. If they aren't the same person we can still split off to another entry but I think this has pinned it down. Anyone know anything else? Catch an publicity doing the rounds? Thoughts? ( Emperor 23:59, 26 April 2007 (UTC))
Seeing Videoman get his own OHOTMU entry in the Spider-Man--Back in Black edition, and the entry sort-of making the continuity of Spider-Man and His Amazing Friends a canon alternate reality, inspired me to try and whip up a Videoman article. I started writing up the article using episodes of Amazing Friends posted on YouTube to refresh my memory, but after viewing and writing about the first two appearances of the character, I found that there was no videos of Videoman's final appearance to be found. I don't trust my memory for clarity of detail on a cartoon episode I last viewed about twenty-three years ago--all I know for sure is that a nerdy kid named Francis Byte got the Videoman powers, ended up as a rookie hero and was sent to the X-Men for training at the end of the episode. Does anyone with access to that episode want to chip in on this article? I've already written up material on the villain Videoman from its first two appearances, and I have at hand the Spider-Man Family special where Videoman appeared in Marvel continuity (as well as the OHOTMU special).
Also--is there any way to make a "test" page for others to view without actually creating an "official" article, so I can put up what I've already written for perusal?
Thanks -- Pennyforth 15:10, 29 April 2007 (UTC)