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I was wondering why Steel Spider redirects to Ollie Osnick since he is known more as Steel Spider than Ollie Osnick. I noticed the same thing happened to Pietro Maximoff/Quicksilver. Quicksilver (comics) redirected to Pietro Maximoff but was changed due to Pietro being more popularly known as Quicksilver. Anyway, should Ollie Osnick more or less redirect to Steel Spider and not the way it currently does?
RIANZ 23:38, 2 May 2007 (UTC)
Would you please drop your thoughts at Talk:Huntress (comics)#Split/Breakout? Thanks, guys. — Lesfer (t/ c/ @) 17:34, 3 May 2007 (UTC)
A heads up to one and all to keep up-to-date on all your DC-related pages on your watchlists. After "52" Week (issue) 52 came out a couple days ago, a few users have added several uncited references on several pages. Of particular note, identities of and details about several characters appearing in panels of the new Earths, which have little factual detail, are being cited as fact in several articles. Mister Fax 18:46, 4 May 2007 (UTC)
There are an incredible number of biographical articles in wikipedia, many/most of which fall within the scope of WikiProject Biography. I have recently proposed that the Biography project perhaps be involved in a number of subprojects to work on smaller, and perhaps more focused, areas. One such proposal relates to comic creators. This proposal can be found at Wikipedia:WikiProject Council/Proposals#Comics creators. Any member of this project who would be interested in working specifically on biographical content relating to comics creators would be more than welcome to indicate as much there. Thank you. John Carter 16:44, 5 May 2007 (UTC)
The Article is Omaha the Cat Dancer and at looks like I am the only one add the Plot summary?-- Brown Shoes22 18:21, 5 May 2007 (UTC)
Hey y'all.
I think that this article is a copy violation of what appeared in the Official Handbook of the Marvel Universe: Horror 2005 (or 2006). RIANZ 00:09, 4 May 2007 (UTC)
There's current a debate (not a war, just a debate) about the lead image for the Superman article. One editor would like to replace the previous fair use image with a free image. Actually, based on his talk page points, I think he may be right. But, given that this is an important featured article for this project, I want to solicit others' input. -- GentlemanGhost 21:43, 5 May 2007 (UTC)
Currently, the WWIII article is just about the four-part miniseries. Does anyone think it should be more about the actual event in the comics? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by DrBat ( talk • contribs) 17:22, 6 May 2007 (UTC).
I was doing a light tidy up on Category:Comics but I think it needs a bit of a concerted effort. For now I'd like to focus on the pages not the sub-categories as there are issues there I'd like to address but it'd require more debate. The pages in the top category are often just stuck there because people couldn't think of anything better to do with them (or the category is redundnt as it is already in more specific child categories). This might also mean they are new or in need of attention so keep an eye open for that and throw in the comics projet header and flag any causes for concern. If anyone is unsure about anything then drop the link in here and someone else will look at it. ( Emperor 16:47, 9 May 2007 (UTC))
I think that the best way to handle this would be to empty the cat of everything but sub-cats, and add Template:Parent category, which was developed due to similar issues with the Wikipedian categories. - jc37 19:40, 9 May 2007 (UTC)
Ok, I added the template to the category. We may want to add List of comic books and List of comic strips to the category? - jc37 20:07, 9 May 2007 (UTC)
I can understand both sides of the debate when it comes to whether or not characters with the same alias should get separate articles or be grouped together. However, I have found one case where having multiple articles definitely feels like overkill. Andreas von Strucker's fictional biography is currently spread out over three articles! These are the titular article, Fenris (comics), and Swordsman (comics). The "main" article is currently tagged with a request for expansion. It seems to me that this won't be necessary if we merge at least two of the articles. Any thoughts? -- GentlemanGhost 01:30, 8 May 2007 (UTC)
Does this really need to exist? I think this leans towards a price guide, which is what an encyclopedia shouldn't be about. RobJ1981 04:47, 11 May 2007 (UTC)
If any reads the extensive reasoning I give in the AfD up on the article now, you'll see that it may not be possible to write an article on the subject. -- Jeffrey O. Gustafson - Shazaam! - <*> 17:01, 11 May 2007 (UTC)
An edit on Magneto reverted a category I added for Magneto: 'fictional mass murderers'. The category is defined as such with "the killing of four or more people in a single incident". How does this not apply to Magneto with all his acts of terrorism and destruction against humanity?-- CyberGhostface 23:09, 11 May 2007 (UTC)
There is a bit of a merge going on over there and we need to plot a course through everything. Discussion here: Talk:Wildstorm#Merges My thinking is that not all Wildstorm titles are in the main fictional universe so a Wildstorm Universe entry could really help sort things out. Anyway let us know your thoughts over there. ( Emperor 00:21, 12 May 2007 (UTC))
What happened to this page?
Having it be at (Marvel Comics), as opposed to just (comics) is redundant; that should only apply to characters like Captain Marvel, where multiple companies have characters of the same name.
And why is the main image the obscure alien one? I'd like to change it, but it seems like most of the article's history got deleted. -- DrBat 22:40, 11 May 2007 (UTC)
Now we have addressed the comics category it is Category:Comic books that is causing me concern. Not only has it been used as a dumping ground for all sorts of random entries (like the main category - in fact a lot of things in there are just replicated in the parent category) but it troubles me conceptually.
It goes back to the name convention business that cropped up when everything was being renamed from (comic) or (comis) to (comic book). The term comic book isn't universal as the entry itself correctly outlines: " In the United Kingdom, the term comic book is used to refer to American comic books by their readers and collectors, while the general populace would likely consider a comic book a hardcover book collecting comics stories. The analogous term in the UK is a comic, short for comic paper or comic magazine."
So we are in a position when a lot of the categories and entries under Category:Comic books (and a lot of things in entries like "Comic book titles") aren't comic books. So what is the fix?
Looking through the category I'd suggest we don't need it. It is basically replicating the function of the Comics Category.
Quick fixes are changing "Comic book titles" to "Comics titles". A lot of the other things in there should be elsewhere anyway. French comics should be under European comics, for example. Most of the rest are comics and should be under the titles category - we can do another blitz on them and sort the bulk of that category to more appropriate ones. Other should be rationalised and marged (we don't need Category:Comic conventions and Category:Comic book conventions.
We also need at least one new category to collect graphic novels, comic strips, comic books, manga (and regional forms), minicomics, comic magazines, etc. and I would suggest: "Comics forms" (or "Comics types"). It may also be that we need a "Comics businesses" which would hold organisations, stores and conventions.
So this one will take a bit more discussion than the Comics Category cleanup. To summarise: "Comic book" is a problemtic terms (and not international) but that might not be such a big deal as we can rename "Comic book titles" and just about everything should be in other categories anyway.
There are things that can be done to tidy things up. I'm going to move the regional comics out of the comic book cat for starters. If we can agree on the new categories and reach a consensus on the way forward we can then blitz the comic book category too and sort it out.
Thoughts? ( Emperor 00:14, 10 May 2007 (UTC))
Taking a bit of a stab at it, I moved everything in Indian comic book publishers to Comic book publishing companies of India, based on the naming conventions used by the other subcats there. -- Ipstenu ( talk| contribs) 14:08, 15 May 2007 (UTC)
I have an idia for an article, but it stands a good chance of being deleted if I create it.
A several years ago, I decided to create a full list of DC Comics' characters. I kept an eye out for similar, shorter lists of characters (DC characters based on animals, Charlton Action Hero villains, etc) and added these lists to my own to create one massive list of over 3000 characters. I also tried to include creator and first appearance information when I could. This list could be useful to researchers and fans, and could also bennefit from the contrubutions of the same.
I could easily convert the list to Wiki format, with links and all that jazz, but it would probably be the largest list-type article ever created on Wikipedia. Also, many of the characters in the list are obscure one-appearance characters that some people might not consider (the magic word) "notable".
Nonetheless, the list contains information that IS notable, and should be useful to SOMEONE in this compiled format.
I know that there are more fan-oriented Wiki's where notability would not be in question, but Wikipedia seems like the place where the list would bennefit the most people, and would recieve the most attention in the realm of edition and fixing.
If I were to post this list, how should this be done? Should it be split into alphabetical sections?-- Drvanthorp 18:56, 11 May 2007 (UTC)
Check this out: List of Grand Prix motorcycle racers. (The template is found at Template:A-Z multipage list.)
Follow the format of that page and it's subsequent alphabetical pages. (For example: List of Grand Prix motorcycle racers: A.)
I suggest that the page name(s) be:
See also: Wikipedia:Naming conventions (long lists).
Note that List of DC Comics characters will need to be subdivided. (I'm thinking that we have several long comics-related lists that probably should be split this way.) And the ABC pages (and other appropraite lists) should be categorised under Category:Lists of DC Comics characters.
Per User:Emperor's comments, he's right about lists and categories. See: WP:CLS for more information.
And if you're willing to do this, that would be awesomely great : )
Please keep this page informed, I'm sure you'll have help if you would like it : ) - jc37 19:26, 11 May 2007 (UTC)
Ok, I've split the list. Feel free to update with your 3000+ names : ) - jc37 22:19, 13 May 2007 (UTC)
Do we need more of these articles? It's just a pop culture guide to everything that mentions/hints at Silver Surfer. Songs, movies, television, and so on. There is a discussion here about it: Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Trivia_Cleanup#Silver_Surfer_in_popular_media_deletion_notice. If anyone wants to contribute, feel free. RobJ1981 19:51, 11 May 2007 (UTC)
I'm still chasing the various franchises based on comics or whiich comics are based on and the curent big issue is video games based on comics. It is actually pretty straightforward as the work has been done here: List of video games based on licensed properties it all needs splitting off into separate sections and I have done some work on categories so they should all slot into their respective homes quite easily. We just need some extra input and ideas to make sure it is done properly. ( Emperor 16:59, 12 May 2007 (UTC))
Take a look at these. On the Not Quite Felicity talk page the person who created the entry owns up to being the author of the comic and hed of publicity for the company. Now they might be notable but nothing on the three entries shows they are so I've tagged them up but someone may know more and be able to help them out. ( Emperor 00:16, 13 May 2007 (UTC))
I say if it is legit, like it is an actual comic, from an actual company, that people sell. I think it should be ok. I looked for it on google, and there is not much there but there is something. Phoenix741 00:59, 13 May 2007 (UTC)
I've noticed this in two separate articles: Jason Todd and Mary Marvel.
Someone is getting hold of preview copies of Countdown and putting the information into articles well ahead of the book actually shipping.
I've got a feeling there are a lot more instances of this happening.
- J Greb 16:47, 14 May 2007 (UTC)
I could hardly believe it myself, but it's an interesting scam scheme. I mean, not everyone reads Newsarama, and they're trying to jack up sales. But then it begs the question - Since we all learned the hard way that DC LIES with their promos (Green Lantern anyone?) how far do we trust this? Since they're putting out whole sheets of issues, I'd say 'It's reliable enough to put on Wikipedia.' But obviously YMMV. Anyone? --
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There are several things in the text that just call out that this was copied from somewhere. (Not listing them yet, since they may be useful for finding other such cvs.)
Perhaps we should go through User:Tgunn2's contributions. Just a cursory look shows me several articles "created". I'd like some other eyes on this though. - jc37 21:14, 14 May 2007 (UTC)
Something odd on the Multiverse (DC Comics) entry: The first paragraph of the history section includes this statement:
I have read much about the history of comic books, and have never heard of any such house ads, so I did a Google search for the phrase, as a quoted string, and found nothing. I also don't beleive that the phrase "golden age of comics" had even been coined in 1956, much less become well enought known to be referenced in a house ad in a kiddie comic book. I'm pretty sure that "golden age" and "silver age" terminology emerged from a nostalgiac fan movement that really didn't emerge untill at least the early 1960's. Can someone verify this?-- Drvanthorp 16:46, 15 May 2007 (UTC)
There are a number of comics that films are based on but the comics themselves don't have entries . This seems awfully odd. Granted the films are going to be more famous but does that mean they get to take the top slot? Taking this slot then tends to hamper the development of the entry itself as the film is then "blocking" the slot. Examples I have found are Road to Perdition, The Haunted World of El Superbeasto and Bulletproof Monk (the latter say it is loosely based on a comic of the same name - never having read it I'd be interested to see how loosely but that is all it warrants). On all those talk pages I have suggested a couple of solutions - both involve moving the film to X (film) but could involve either the comic taking the top slot or the slot being taken by a disambiguation page. So I'm looking for some input on the best way to move forward. ( Emperor 16:53, 15 May 2007 (UTC))
Okay, the "Sword of Atlantis" section of the Aquaman article is a disaster. I can tell nothing about this new character, including who or what he is, from this. It's sort of written in a "and this was revealed, then this" format, with key bits ommitted. It needs a lot of contraction, copy editing and fictional events need placing within their own chronological order, using the <ref> system to preserve the publication history. As I don't read Aquaman, I'm not equipped to do this myself, I just felt it was an issue which needed pointing out.~ Zythe Talk to me! 15:08, 16 May 2007 (UTC)
So here's the deal, I changed the above one-shot to a redirect to Marvel Zombies stating that because civil war one-shots were redirected, this should also. An editor than reverted it saying those two situation are unrelated and I should bring up discussions on it. So should is stay an article or redirect to Marvel Zombies? The Placebo Effect 20:18, 16 May 2007 (UTC)
One of our regular comics article editors is catching flack for canvassing in connection to a nomination for adminship. I understand the arguments against canvassing, although I don't wholeheartedly agree. Votestacking - bad. Notifying interested parties - good. Selectively notifying a lot of interested parties because you think they'll agree with you - okay, that could be attempted votestacking. How about notifying one person because you believe that person is more knowledgeable and can make a more constructive contribution than other interested parties? That can be a tougher call.
Back to the issue of canvassing with regard to a nomination for adminship: When someone who contributes frequently to the comics articles is up for adminship, I want to know. Period. All regular contributors in WikiProject Comics deserve to know and deserve the opportunity to have their say. Anybody who frequently edits the comics article damn well better let us know. It would be appropriate for them to notify ALL WikiProject Comics members. Unfortunately, most of the people voting on the RfA will not be our members, and once one mistakes such notification for canvassing, constructive discussion will end as people focus on canvassing instead of qualifications. So what then? The candidacy needs to be announced to us either on our project notice board or on our project talk page. Every time. (I am therefore posting this message on both of the relevant talk pages.) Doczilla 05:49, 18 May 2007 (UTC)
Does this really need to be here, cause if it does than that means we should do it for all major comics which is not right 8-/. Phoenix741 13:15, 20 May 2007 (UTC)
I've listed this on the notice board, but since the repeated moves of the disputed article are causing edit histories to be lost and the discussion to be fragmented, I think this deserves more urgent attention. The main dispute is over whether or not to merge the "Golden Age" Vision (Timely Comics) with the Marvel Comics version, moving the combined page to Vision (comics). As per the dispute resolution suggestions, I am notifying the WikiProject Comics members at large. If this doesn't work, I suppose the next step would be an "Request for comment". -- GentlemanGhost 17:09, 20 May 2007 (UTC)
Do we need to adjust the copyright templates for image uploads to reflect that it is now 2007? I just noticed that the Marvel Comics one still says © 1941-2006. -- GentlemanGhost 20:19, 20 May 2007 (UTC)
Ok i can deffenitly add a variable to this, and i can go into all the pages and add the info, but I am not quite sure when these images were actually published, which is what would be put into the variable year that I could make. So it would be really confusing. What i will do is make the changes then revert it back so you all can see what I did then decide what we should do about it. Phoenix741 14:28, 21 May 2007 (UTC)
I've expanded this article quite a bit & added a picture too. It's now un-stubbed, cited, referenced & well written (If I don't say so myself). ;) Just so you know... Cheers, Spawn Man 05:34, 21 May 2007 (UTC)
You can also list new comics articles at Wikipedia:WikiProject_Comics/Notice_Board#Recent_creations, although no one will respond there, either. ;) Thanks for the hard work! -- GentlemanGhost 10:36, 22 May 2007 (UTC)
I just found this while searching through the Time.com archive: [8]. There's plenty more. Make sure you always check through mainstream media websites (Time, CNN, MSNBC, BBC, Entertainment Weekly, etc.) when digging for reliable sources; there's a surprising amount of good info to be had. WesleyDodds 09:45, 21 May 2007 (UTC)
Could I get some input on this? I've just spotted what is going on and have dropped in a note here Talk:World War III (comics)#Redirecting. Basically an editor has recreated World War III (comics) at World War III (DC Comics) apparently with no discussion (breaking edit histories) and then keep turning the original over to a redirect not to the new page but to World War III which links to the new page. All very confusing and messy. Could I get some input over there on fixing things? I assume the best appraoch would be to speedy delete World War III (DC Comics) as wherever the original ends up you can't just copy and paste and entry to a new location. ( Emperor 20:08, 21 May 2007 (UTC))
The articles: Runaways story arcs, Ultimate Fantastic Four (story arcs), Ultimate Spider-Man (story arcs) and Ultimate X-Men (story arcs). Why do these exist still? I'm tempted to AFD them. Articles of just issue/plot summaries is simply cruft, in my opinion. While they are in a different condition now: I still don't think they need to exist. RobJ1981 09:52, 22 May 2007 (UTC)
I dunno but wasn't this category deleted. It's popping up throughout the Marvel female superheroes characters. RIANZ 20:18, 22 May 2007 (UTC)
Not sure if people are aware, but there is now a Portal:Archie Comics. I'm not convinced one is necessary, but I'm willing to live and let live. Just thought I'd bring it to the attention of whoever maintains the portals now. Hiding Talk 21:41, 22 May 2007 (UTC)
There have been some concerns about the notability of Charles Crumb. I suggest that this material be merged into a new article called Crumb family, which would discuss the artist family Crumb, including some material about the best-known members Robert Crumb and Aline Kominsky-Crumb (who would retain their own articles), as well as lesser-known members such as Charles Crumb and Maxon Crumb. I think the Sophie Crumb article should be merged into the Crumb family article for the time being as well – she's definitely an emerging artist, however, she has yet to produce a body of work that justifies an article longer than stub-length.
There is precedent in Wikipedia for doing family biographies, BTW – there are articles on the Dupont family and the Krupp family, for example.
Please discuss at Talk:Charles Crumb.
Peter G Werner 01:19, 23 May 2007 (UTC)
I get tired of people who aren't involved with WikiProject Comics or apparently even comics in any form piling up votes in discussions of comics categories -- e.g., the CfD at Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2007_May_21#Category:Female_superheroes. Even though I voted in the CfD, I don't have strong feelings about the actual outcome, just about who decides the issue. It should mainly be us. Doczilla 04:59, 23 May 2007 (UTC)
Fence sitting. We're not a democracy, but part of the concept behind Wikipedia, as I understood it, was that people who knew about a topic could edit. It logically follows that the people who know more about a subject would be in a key position to reply clearly and factually about any given AfD/CfD. Rob's right. We don't own the articles, and we shouldn't determine everything. Community is bigger than us. but we should be aware of changes in status quo as they affect us. -- Ipstenu ( talk| contribs) 16:10, 23 May 2007 (UTC)
I created Comic book original art collecting just now, as I couldn't find anything that really covered it. I think there's sufficient differences from comic book collecting as a whole to have a separate page...specifically, the information I think should be captured is
Moments later, it was tagged for speedy deletion...:-) Have a look and see what you think. Of course, we could move the content somewhere else if that's better...my pride won't be offended :) Afabbro 19:03, 24 May 2007 (UTC)
People of the Project, can you please decide on the medium or high importance of Mafalda? It's now rated as "unknown importance", which is hilarious. -- Damifb 20:16, 24 May 2007 (UTC)
I started a discussion at Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_LGBT_studies#Category:LGBT_characters_in_comics to discuss whether to match the Category:Black superheroes, Category:Hispanic superheroes, Category:Asian supervillains scheme of categorisation, LGBT characters in comics should be replaced with several new categories such as Category:Gay supervillains, Category:Lesbian superheroes etc. with minor characters such as Terry Berg categorised interdependently as a supporting character and as gay like a ethnic minority supporting character is. I figure the current system of dual categories for LGBT characters is left over from a transition from LGBT characters to the various subcategories, with LGBT characters in comics being a child category of that. I feel it might be necessary in making the categorisation system more efficient to intersect these categories, but I felt it required much prior discussion before putting to CfD.~ Zythe Talk to me! 21:56, 24 May 2007 (UTC)
One I stumbled across on my tidying up: White wing and entries for their comics like Combat (comic), Sistine Lacustrene, Hyde Vancolle, Iuppitr and Sleuth (comic). Has anyone hard of these? If so can they help with the notability concerns? ( Emperor 12:53, 18 May 2007 (UTC))
They seem to have no web presence outside of the Wikipedia entry, and other web sites that mirror the entry. of the listed artists, Mavrick Magnolia has no web mentions, Chase Black has a few fan-art pieces and illustrations on the web (might be a coincidence), and Spike McAlister shares a name with a character on Buffy the Vampire Slayer. Dr. Blue turns out to be a more common name than you might expect, including a self described general practitioner with a blog. The entries don't read like the work of a professional writer or public relations person, so I don't think that this article was created for an advance publicity campaign. I say that this company might not exist outside the imagination of the guy that created the entries.-- Drvanthorp 22:09, 18 May 2007 (UTC)
well then, lets get to the deleting. Phoenix741 22:18, 18 May 2007 (UTC)
This, {{ Steve Gerber}}, seems to have just popped up.
Is this something we really need or want? It looks like it's being used to tie together anything Gerber even slightly touched as opposed to things he created, owns, or defined.
- J Greb 18:34, 22 May 2007 (UTC)
Not too sure where best to raise the issue, but I try here: An increasing amount of comics characters are being placed in character infoboxes that are custom made for superheroes, which in quite a few cases seems a bit silly. I haven't found any character infoboxes for "mortal" characters (not counting Supersupportingbox use of the superhero template) except for the Asterix template. Which gang of editors are most likely to want to have a say in developing a project-wide character infobox for "plain" characters? Murgh disc. 19:08, 22 May 2007 (UTC)
The Walt Simonson article mentions Simonson's signature, which is very distinctive and recognizable. I scanned a copy of an example and put it on the page (signatures and autographs are not eligible for copyright, except in extreme cases like Disney's which was trademarked). It looks nice in the infobox and adds a kind of personality to the artist's page...well, at least I think so. I expect eventually an image of Walt will appear either above or below in the infobox. Many comic book artists have distinctive signatures...I can provide several. What does everything think about this? If no one likes it, I can put Simonson's near the line in the article that discusses his signature instead. Afabbro 05:43, 24 May 2007 (UTC)
See:
There are many signature/autograph images that are tagged as {{pd-ineligible}}. Afabbro 16:33, 24 May 2007 (UTC)
There's another edit war with Vision (comics) happen. One user versus the world by the looks of things. What do we do about edit wars actually? RIANZ 02:21, 25 May 2007 (UTC)
There are now over 10,000 WikiProject Comics articles! (There are probably even more, but that's how many have the template on their talk page.) Next milestone, 10 Featured Articles? Good job, all around! -- GentlemanGhost 13:49, 25 May 2007 (UTC)
I think the Comic book code article should certainly be included in a comics-related category...but which one? I don't see a general "comics" category - they all seem to be sub-specialized. Quite possible that I'm not looking in the right place. It is part of the Category:Comics-related organizations category...but the history of censorship of comics contained on its page seems to transcend a simple description of an organization. Afabbro 18:12, 25 May 2007 (UTC)
Hum - do we have something like "Comic History"? maybe we should? or something similar? -- Fredrick day 18:16, 25 May 2007 (UTC)
I need some help tracking down the original sources of the following:
All of them show signs of Photoshopping: lens flares added, highlighting/color changes, and background manipulations. A few also had frames added (removed at this point, but those were "easy" fixes).
If possible we should get unadulterated scans loaded over these. If not, should the be taken down?
- J Greb 19:28, 23 May 2007 (UTC)
I think it's getting way too big and should have been split into two articles some time ago. One or Mister Mind, the other for the Monster Society of Evil. -- Basique 00:06, 27 May 2007 (UTC)
Recently, I created the Graphic Novels (Warhammer 40,000) to put up information on Warhammer 40,000 and characters involved in the board game that have stories based on them in the graphic novel format. The focus is only on warhammer, not on comic books, comic book companies, or the like. Recently, people from here have tried to hijack the group without showing respect to the original wikiproject. I would ask you kindly to cease such attempts and if you want your own page on the matter, to do so. As the (Warhammer 40,000) tag shows, this is only an extension of the Warhammer 40,000 page. Please respect that and respect our Wikiproject. SanchiTachi 15:48, 25 May 2007 (UTC)
FYI, I posted over on the Warhammer Proj to bring their attention, since it hadn't already been posted there. -- Ipstenu ( talk| contribs) 20:12, 25 May 2007 (UTC)
There is a dispute at L-Ron the robot's article about how important his connection to L. Ron Hubbard really is. Would anyone like to check it out and put in an opinion? Thanks. Steve Dufour 05:06, 27 May 2007 (UTC)
I finally got around to requesting the merger of Category:Comic conventions and Category:Comic book conventions as was discussed back in February. Please feel free to comment in the CfM/R discussion. (Doczilla's so quick, he already has!) -- GentlemanGhost 17:55, 27 May 2007 (UTC)
Basique ( talk · contribs) seems to insist on giving people a hard time by making poor edits to each of these articles. His stance is that the articles don't fit the WikiComics guidelines of separating the publication history and fictional character history. While I agree in the case of the Black Adam article (which is a mess), the Captain Marvel article is a different case altogether. While some of the detail can be trimmed from sections, the article was structured the way it is because, unlike Spider-Man for example, Captain Marvel has no cohesive "fictional biography". The article instead chronicles the character's publication history, and discusses how different writers and companies have utilized the character. Now, if someone feels the need to have a fictional character biography for Captain Marvel, what would - or should - it contain?
In addition, Basique has a bad habit of obliterating the lead sections on each of these articles, lumping them instead into the body of the article. These headers were written in accordance with Wikipedia: Lead section; since they summarize topics already covered in the body, making the lead sections part of the body introduces redundancy.
Discussing this matter with the editor has proved futile, and I have little patience for people who continuously try to force large (and poorly done) changes upon an established article that more experienced (and likely older) editors have already made a significant number of contributions to. -- FuriousFreddy 15:53, 28 May 2007 (UTC)
Even though we very frequently have separate sections for publication history and fictional character history, my understanding from the manual of style [16] is that a blending of the two would be preferred. I don't foresee that happening in all comic-related articles, but when an article successfully mixes them together with no in-universe text, we should not turn around and break it back up into separate publication history and fictional character history sections. When articles still have stretches of in-universe text, of course we have to separate them. Doczilla 06:18, 30 May 2007 (UTC)
I think we're going to have to revisit the exemplars. They were written a long time ago now, before the appropriate section of the manual of style was written, and probably need an overhaul. Hiding Talk 07:41, 31 May 2007 (UTC)
The Silver Surfer article is currently under review for becoming a good article. It is put on hold by Fritzpoll as general copyediting (grammar, syntax etc) and NPOV violations are in the way. I requested the help of Wikipedia:Cleanup Taskforce but have not obtained a response. I'd like to request the help of any wikipedians from wikiproject comics to help. Please see the talk page of the article for additional information. Zuracech lordum 09:12, 29 May 2007 (UTC)
The "Villains by adversary" categories are reappearing, despite having been salted. To whit: Category:Thor Villains and Category:Daredevil Villains. I've given the creator, a new user, a heads-up on his talk page. I don't have time to initiate a CfD right now, so if someone else wants to do it, feel free. -- GentlemanGhost 21:13, 31 May 2007 (UTC)
I just noticed some reverts relating to the "In other media" sections of a few articles. There is a disagreement about how much detail to put into video game descriptions within this section. The WikiProject Comics exemplars don't go into much detail regarding this section. (As noted above, the exemplars should probably be revisited.) Is a mere mention that a character appears in a particular game enough? Is it necessary to summarize the plot of the game as it pertains to that character? My personal feeling is that plot details belong in the main article for the game. Unless it contributes something regarding the game's characterization of the subject, I don't feel that plot synopses are helpful. I could just let sleeping dogs lie, but I thought this might be of interest to the project at large. -- GentlemanGhost 14:26, 1 June 2007 (UTC)
I was concerned specifically about video games, but expanding the topic to the "In other media" section in general is fine with me. I agree that my examples are pretty minor changes. What caught my attention is that they are all on my watchlist and they all showed up at the same time. It's not currently an edit war, but it concerns me that it might become one. So, I checked the exemplars page and discovered how little it had to say about that section. Now, I also don't want the project guidelines to become too strict, since Wikipedia is not a bureaucracy. But, it did surprise me; I had assumed that the exemplars backed up my point of view. Disputes can certainly be addressed on a case-by-case basis (Lord knows, guidelines never stopped edit wars anyway), but I thought it might be interesting to discuss. I had presumed consensus where there was none, so I figured I'd better seek input. -- GentlemanGhost 16:53, 1 June 2007 (UTC)
Anyone else heard of it, apparently it gave him omnipotence, and there is no article on it. Phoenix741 22:36, 1 June 2007 (UTC)
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I was wondering why Steel Spider redirects to Ollie Osnick since he is known more as Steel Spider than Ollie Osnick. I noticed the same thing happened to Pietro Maximoff/Quicksilver. Quicksilver (comics) redirected to Pietro Maximoff but was changed due to Pietro being more popularly known as Quicksilver. Anyway, should Ollie Osnick more or less redirect to Steel Spider and not the way it currently does?
RIANZ 23:38, 2 May 2007 (UTC)
Would you please drop your thoughts at Talk:Huntress (comics)#Split/Breakout? Thanks, guys. — Lesfer (t/ c/ @) 17:34, 3 May 2007 (UTC)
A heads up to one and all to keep up-to-date on all your DC-related pages on your watchlists. After "52" Week (issue) 52 came out a couple days ago, a few users have added several uncited references on several pages. Of particular note, identities of and details about several characters appearing in panels of the new Earths, which have little factual detail, are being cited as fact in several articles. Mister Fax 18:46, 4 May 2007 (UTC)
There are an incredible number of biographical articles in wikipedia, many/most of which fall within the scope of WikiProject Biography. I have recently proposed that the Biography project perhaps be involved in a number of subprojects to work on smaller, and perhaps more focused, areas. One such proposal relates to comic creators. This proposal can be found at Wikipedia:WikiProject Council/Proposals#Comics creators. Any member of this project who would be interested in working specifically on biographical content relating to comics creators would be more than welcome to indicate as much there. Thank you. John Carter 16:44, 5 May 2007 (UTC)
The Article is Omaha the Cat Dancer and at looks like I am the only one add the Plot summary?-- Brown Shoes22 18:21, 5 May 2007 (UTC)
Hey y'all.
I think that this article is a copy violation of what appeared in the Official Handbook of the Marvel Universe: Horror 2005 (or 2006). RIANZ 00:09, 4 May 2007 (UTC)
There's current a debate (not a war, just a debate) about the lead image for the Superman article. One editor would like to replace the previous fair use image with a free image. Actually, based on his talk page points, I think he may be right. But, given that this is an important featured article for this project, I want to solicit others' input. -- GentlemanGhost 21:43, 5 May 2007 (UTC)
Currently, the WWIII article is just about the four-part miniseries. Does anyone think it should be more about the actual event in the comics? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by DrBat ( talk • contribs) 17:22, 6 May 2007 (UTC).
I was doing a light tidy up on Category:Comics but I think it needs a bit of a concerted effort. For now I'd like to focus on the pages not the sub-categories as there are issues there I'd like to address but it'd require more debate. The pages in the top category are often just stuck there because people couldn't think of anything better to do with them (or the category is redundnt as it is already in more specific child categories). This might also mean they are new or in need of attention so keep an eye open for that and throw in the comics projet header and flag any causes for concern. If anyone is unsure about anything then drop the link in here and someone else will look at it. ( Emperor 16:47, 9 May 2007 (UTC))
I think that the best way to handle this would be to empty the cat of everything but sub-cats, and add Template:Parent category, which was developed due to similar issues with the Wikipedian categories. - jc37 19:40, 9 May 2007 (UTC)
Ok, I added the template to the category. We may want to add List of comic books and List of comic strips to the category? - jc37 20:07, 9 May 2007 (UTC)
I can understand both sides of the debate when it comes to whether or not characters with the same alias should get separate articles or be grouped together. However, I have found one case where having multiple articles definitely feels like overkill. Andreas von Strucker's fictional biography is currently spread out over three articles! These are the titular article, Fenris (comics), and Swordsman (comics). The "main" article is currently tagged with a request for expansion. It seems to me that this won't be necessary if we merge at least two of the articles. Any thoughts? -- GentlemanGhost 01:30, 8 May 2007 (UTC)
Does this really need to exist? I think this leans towards a price guide, which is what an encyclopedia shouldn't be about. RobJ1981 04:47, 11 May 2007 (UTC)
If any reads the extensive reasoning I give in the AfD up on the article now, you'll see that it may not be possible to write an article on the subject. -- Jeffrey O. Gustafson - Shazaam! - <*> 17:01, 11 May 2007 (UTC)
An edit on Magneto reverted a category I added for Magneto: 'fictional mass murderers'. The category is defined as such with "the killing of four or more people in a single incident". How does this not apply to Magneto with all his acts of terrorism and destruction against humanity?-- CyberGhostface 23:09, 11 May 2007 (UTC)
There is a bit of a merge going on over there and we need to plot a course through everything. Discussion here: Talk:Wildstorm#Merges My thinking is that not all Wildstorm titles are in the main fictional universe so a Wildstorm Universe entry could really help sort things out. Anyway let us know your thoughts over there. ( Emperor 00:21, 12 May 2007 (UTC))
What happened to this page?
Having it be at (Marvel Comics), as opposed to just (comics) is redundant; that should only apply to characters like Captain Marvel, where multiple companies have characters of the same name.
And why is the main image the obscure alien one? I'd like to change it, but it seems like most of the article's history got deleted. -- DrBat 22:40, 11 May 2007 (UTC)
Now we have addressed the comics category it is Category:Comic books that is causing me concern. Not only has it been used as a dumping ground for all sorts of random entries (like the main category - in fact a lot of things in there are just replicated in the parent category) but it troubles me conceptually.
It goes back to the name convention business that cropped up when everything was being renamed from (comic) or (comis) to (comic book). The term comic book isn't universal as the entry itself correctly outlines: " In the United Kingdom, the term comic book is used to refer to American comic books by their readers and collectors, while the general populace would likely consider a comic book a hardcover book collecting comics stories. The analogous term in the UK is a comic, short for comic paper or comic magazine."
So we are in a position when a lot of the categories and entries under Category:Comic books (and a lot of things in entries like "Comic book titles") aren't comic books. So what is the fix?
Looking through the category I'd suggest we don't need it. It is basically replicating the function of the Comics Category.
Quick fixes are changing "Comic book titles" to "Comics titles". A lot of the other things in there should be elsewhere anyway. French comics should be under European comics, for example. Most of the rest are comics and should be under the titles category - we can do another blitz on them and sort the bulk of that category to more appropriate ones. Other should be rationalised and marged (we don't need Category:Comic conventions and Category:Comic book conventions.
We also need at least one new category to collect graphic novels, comic strips, comic books, manga (and regional forms), minicomics, comic magazines, etc. and I would suggest: "Comics forms" (or "Comics types"). It may also be that we need a "Comics businesses" which would hold organisations, stores and conventions.
So this one will take a bit more discussion than the Comics Category cleanup. To summarise: "Comic book" is a problemtic terms (and not international) but that might not be such a big deal as we can rename "Comic book titles" and just about everything should be in other categories anyway.
There are things that can be done to tidy things up. I'm going to move the regional comics out of the comic book cat for starters. If we can agree on the new categories and reach a consensus on the way forward we can then blitz the comic book category too and sort it out.
Thoughts? ( Emperor 00:14, 10 May 2007 (UTC))
Taking a bit of a stab at it, I moved everything in Indian comic book publishers to Comic book publishing companies of India, based on the naming conventions used by the other subcats there. -- Ipstenu ( talk| contribs) 14:08, 15 May 2007 (UTC)
I have an idia for an article, but it stands a good chance of being deleted if I create it.
A several years ago, I decided to create a full list of DC Comics' characters. I kept an eye out for similar, shorter lists of characters (DC characters based on animals, Charlton Action Hero villains, etc) and added these lists to my own to create one massive list of over 3000 characters. I also tried to include creator and first appearance information when I could. This list could be useful to researchers and fans, and could also bennefit from the contrubutions of the same.
I could easily convert the list to Wiki format, with links and all that jazz, but it would probably be the largest list-type article ever created on Wikipedia. Also, many of the characters in the list are obscure one-appearance characters that some people might not consider (the magic word) "notable".
Nonetheless, the list contains information that IS notable, and should be useful to SOMEONE in this compiled format.
I know that there are more fan-oriented Wiki's where notability would not be in question, but Wikipedia seems like the place where the list would bennefit the most people, and would recieve the most attention in the realm of edition and fixing.
If I were to post this list, how should this be done? Should it be split into alphabetical sections?-- Drvanthorp 18:56, 11 May 2007 (UTC)
Check this out: List of Grand Prix motorcycle racers. (The template is found at Template:A-Z multipage list.)
Follow the format of that page and it's subsequent alphabetical pages. (For example: List of Grand Prix motorcycle racers: A.)
I suggest that the page name(s) be:
See also: Wikipedia:Naming conventions (long lists).
Note that List of DC Comics characters will need to be subdivided. (I'm thinking that we have several long comics-related lists that probably should be split this way.) And the ABC pages (and other appropraite lists) should be categorised under Category:Lists of DC Comics characters.
Per User:Emperor's comments, he's right about lists and categories. See: WP:CLS for more information.
And if you're willing to do this, that would be awesomely great : )
Please keep this page informed, I'm sure you'll have help if you would like it : ) - jc37 19:26, 11 May 2007 (UTC)
Ok, I've split the list. Feel free to update with your 3000+ names : ) - jc37 22:19, 13 May 2007 (UTC)
Do we need more of these articles? It's just a pop culture guide to everything that mentions/hints at Silver Surfer. Songs, movies, television, and so on. There is a discussion here about it: Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Trivia_Cleanup#Silver_Surfer_in_popular_media_deletion_notice. If anyone wants to contribute, feel free. RobJ1981 19:51, 11 May 2007 (UTC)
I'm still chasing the various franchises based on comics or whiich comics are based on and the curent big issue is video games based on comics. It is actually pretty straightforward as the work has been done here: List of video games based on licensed properties it all needs splitting off into separate sections and I have done some work on categories so they should all slot into their respective homes quite easily. We just need some extra input and ideas to make sure it is done properly. ( Emperor 16:59, 12 May 2007 (UTC))
Take a look at these. On the Not Quite Felicity talk page the person who created the entry owns up to being the author of the comic and hed of publicity for the company. Now they might be notable but nothing on the three entries shows they are so I've tagged them up but someone may know more and be able to help them out. ( Emperor 00:16, 13 May 2007 (UTC))
I say if it is legit, like it is an actual comic, from an actual company, that people sell. I think it should be ok. I looked for it on google, and there is not much there but there is something. Phoenix741 00:59, 13 May 2007 (UTC)
I've noticed this in two separate articles: Jason Todd and Mary Marvel.
Someone is getting hold of preview copies of Countdown and putting the information into articles well ahead of the book actually shipping.
I've got a feeling there are a lot more instances of this happening.
- J Greb 16:47, 14 May 2007 (UTC)
I could hardly believe it myself, but it's an interesting scam scheme. I mean, not everyone reads Newsarama, and they're trying to jack up sales. But then it begs the question - Since we all learned the hard way that DC LIES with their promos (Green Lantern anyone?) how far do we trust this? Since they're putting out whole sheets of issues, I'd say 'It's reliable enough to put on Wikipedia.' But obviously YMMV. Anyone? --
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There are several things in the text that just call out that this was copied from somewhere. (Not listing them yet, since they may be useful for finding other such cvs.)
Perhaps we should go through User:Tgunn2's contributions. Just a cursory look shows me several articles "created". I'd like some other eyes on this though. - jc37 21:14, 14 May 2007 (UTC)
Something odd on the Multiverse (DC Comics) entry: The first paragraph of the history section includes this statement:
I have read much about the history of comic books, and have never heard of any such house ads, so I did a Google search for the phrase, as a quoted string, and found nothing. I also don't beleive that the phrase "golden age of comics" had even been coined in 1956, much less become well enought known to be referenced in a house ad in a kiddie comic book. I'm pretty sure that "golden age" and "silver age" terminology emerged from a nostalgiac fan movement that really didn't emerge untill at least the early 1960's. Can someone verify this?-- Drvanthorp 16:46, 15 May 2007 (UTC)
There are a number of comics that films are based on but the comics themselves don't have entries . This seems awfully odd. Granted the films are going to be more famous but does that mean they get to take the top slot? Taking this slot then tends to hamper the development of the entry itself as the film is then "blocking" the slot. Examples I have found are Road to Perdition, The Haunted World of El Superbeasto and Bulletproof Monk (the latter say it is loosely based on a comic of the same name - never having read it I'd be interested to see how loosely but that is all it warrants). On all those talk pages I have suggested a couple of solutions - both involve moving the film to X (film) but could involve either the comic taking the top slot or the slot being taken by a disambiguation page. So I'm looking for some input on the best way to move forward. ( Emperor 16:53, 15 May 2007 (UTC))
Okay, the "Sword of Atlantis" section of the Aquaman article is a disaster. I can tell nothing about this new character, including who or what he is, from this. It's sort of written in a "and this was revealed, then this" format, with key bits ommitted. It needs a lot of contraction, copy editing and fictional events need placing within their own chronological order, using the <ref> system to preserve the publication history. As I don't read Aquaman, I'm not equipped to do this myself, I just felt it was an issue which needed pointing out.~ Zythe Talk to me! 15:08, 16 May 2007 (UTC)
So here's the deal, I changed the above one-shot to a redirect to Marvel Zombies stating that because civil war one-shots were redirected, this should also. An editor than reverted it saying those two situation are unrelated and I should bring up discussions on it. So should is stay an article or redirect to Marvel Zombies? The Placebo Effect 20:18, 16 May 2007 (UTC)
One of our regular comics article editors is catching flack for canvassing in connection to a nomination for adminship. I understand the arguments against canvassing, although I don't wholeheartedly agree. Votestacking - bad. Notifying interested parties - good. Selectively notifying a lot of interested parties because you think they'll agree with you - okay, that could be attempted votestacking. How about notifying one person because you believe that person is more knowledgeable and can make a more constructive contribution than other interested parties? That can be a tougher call.
Back to the issue of canvassing with regard to a nomination for adminship: When someone who contributes frequently to the comics articles is up for adminship, I want to know. Period. All regular contributors in WikiProject Comics deserve to know and deserve the opportunity to have their say. Anybody who frequently edits the comics article damn well better let us know. It would be appropriate for them to notify ALL WikiProject Comics members. Unfortunately, most of the people voting on the RfA will not be our members, and once one mistakes such notification for canvassing, constructive discussion will end as people focus on canvassing instead of qualifications. So what then? The candidacy needs to be announced to us either on our project notice board or on our project talk page. Every time. (I am therefore posting this message on both of the relevant talk pages.) Doczilla 05:49, 18 May 2007 (UTC)
Does this really need to be here, cause if it does than that means we should do it for all major comics which is not right 8-/. Phoenix741 13:15, 20 May 2007 (UTC)
I've listed this on the notice board, but since the repeated moves of the disputed article are causing edit histories to be lost and the discussion to be fragmented, I think this deserves more urgent attention. The main dispute is over whether or not to merge the "Golden Age" Vision (Timely Comics) with the Marvel Comics version, moving the combined page to Vision (comics). As per the dispute resolution suggestions, I am notifying the WikiProject Comics members at large. If this doesn't work, I suppose the next step would be an "Request for comment". -- GentlemanGhost 17:09, 20 May 2007 (UTC)
Do we need to adjust the copyright templates for image uploads to reflect that it is now 2007? I just noticed that the Marvel Comics one still says © 1941-2006. -- GentlemanGhost 20:19, 20 May 2007 (UTC)
Ok i can deffenitly add a variable to this, and i can go into all the pages and add the info, but I am not quite sure when these images were actually published, which is what would be put into the variable year that I could make. So it would be really confusing. What i will do is make the changes then revert it back so you all can see what I did then decide what we should do about it. Phoenix741 14:28, 21 May 2007 (UTC)
I've expanded this article quite a bit & added a picture too. It's now un-stubbed, cited, referenced & well written (If I don't say so myself). ;) Just so you know... Cheers, Spawn Man 05:34, 21 May 2007 (UTC)
You can also list new comics articles at Wikipedia:WikiProject_Comics/Notice_Board#Recent_creations, although no one will respond there, either. ;) Thanks for the hard work! -- GentlemanGhost 10:36, 22 May 2007 (UTC)
I just found this while searching through the Time.com archive: [8]. There's plenty more. Make sure you always check through mainstream media websites (Time, CNN, MSNBC, BBC, Entertainment Weekly, etc.) when digging for reliable sources; there's a surprising amount of good info to be had. WesleyDodds 09:45, 21 May 2007 (UTC)
Could I get some input on this? I've just spotted what is going on and have dropped in a note here Talk:World War III (comics)#Redirecting. Basically an editor has recreated World War III (comics) at World War III (DC Comics) apparently with no discussion (breaking edit histories) and then keep turning the original over to a redirect not to the new page but to World War III which links to the new page. All very confusing and messy. Could I get some input over there on fixing things? I assume the best appraoch would be to speedy delete World War III (DC Comics) as wherever the original ends up you can't just copy and paste and entry to a new location. ( Emperor 20:08, 21 May 2007 (UTC))
The articles: Runaways story arcs, Ultimate Fantastic Four (story arcs), Ultimate Spider-Man (story arcs) and Ultimate X-Men (story arcs). Why do these exist still? I'm tempted to AFD them. Articles of just issue/plot summaries is simply cruft, in my opinion. While they are in a different condition now: I still don't think they need to exist. RobJ1981 09:52, 22 May 2007 (UTC)
I dunno but wasn't this category deleted. It's popping up throughout the Marvel female superheroes characters. RIANZ 20:18, 22 May 2007 (UTC)
Not sure if people are aware, but there is now a Portal:Archie Comics. I'm not convinced one is necessary, but I'm willing to live and let live. Just thought I'd bring it to the attention of whoever maintains the portals now. Hiding Talk 21:41, 22 May 2007 (UTC)
There have been some concerns about the notability of Charles Crumb. I suggest that this material be merged into a new article called Crumb family, which would discuss the artist family Crumb, including some material about the best-known members Robert Crumb and Aline Kominsky-Crumb (who would retain their own articles), as well as lesser-known members such as Charles Crumb and Maxon Crumb. I think the Sophie Crumb article should be merged into the Crumb family article for the time being as well – she's definitely an emerging artist, however, she has yet to produce a body of work that justifies an article longer than stub-length.
There is precedent in Wikipedia for doing family biographies, BTW – there are articles on the Dupont family and the Krupp family, for example.
Please discuss at Talk:Charles Crumb.
Peter G Werner 01:19, 23 May 2007 (UTC)
I get tired of people who aren't involved with WikiProject Comics or apparently even comics in any form piling up votes in discussions of comics categories -- e.g., the CfD at Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2007_May_21#Category:Female_superheroes. Even though I voted in the CfD, I don't have strong feelings about the actual outcome, just about who decides the issue. It should mainly be us. Doczilla 04:59, 23 May 2007 (UTC)
Fence sitting. We're not a democracy, but part of the concept behind Wikipedia, as I understood it, was that people who knew about a topic could edit. It logically follows that the people who know more about a subject would be in a key position to reply clearly and factually about any given AfD/CfD. Rob's right. We don't own the articles, and we shouldn't determine everything. Community is bigger than us. but we should be aware of changes in status quo as they affect us. -- Ipstenu ( talk| contribs) 16:10, 23 May 2007 (UTC)
I created Comic book original art collecting just now, as I couldn't find anything that really covered it. I think there's sufficient differences from comic book collecting as a whole to have a separate page...specifically, the information I think should be captured is
Moments later, it was tagged for speedy deletion...:-) Have a look and see what you think. Of course, we could move the content somewhere else if that's better...my pride won't be offended :) Afabbro 19:03, 24 May 2007 (UTC)
People of the Project, can you please decide on the medium or high importance of Mafalda? It's now rated as "unknown importance", which is hilarious. -- Damifb 20:16, 24 May 2007 (UTC)
I started a discussion at Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_LGBT_studies#Category:LGBT_characters_in_comics to discuss whether to match the Category:Black superheroes, Category:Hispanic superheroes, Category:Asian supervillains scheme of categorisation, LGBT characters in comics should be replaced with several new categories such as Category:Gay supervillains, Category:Lesbian superheroes etc. with minor characters such as Terry Berg categorised interdependently as a supporting character and as gay like a ethnic minority supporting character is. I figure the current system of dual categories for LGBT characters is left over from a transition from LGBT characters to the various subcategories, with LGBT characters in comics being a child category of that. I feel it might be necessary in making the categorisation system more efficient to intersect these categories, but I felt it required much prior discussion before putting to CfD.~ Zythe Talk to me! 21:56, 24 May 2007 (UTC)
One I stumbled across on my tidying up: White wing and entries for their comics like Combat (comic), Sistine Lacustrene, Hyde Vancolle, Iuppitr and Sleuth (comic). Has anyone hard of these? If so can they help with the notability concerns? ( Emperor 12:53, 18 May 2007 (UTC))
They seem to have no web presence outside of the Wikipedia entry, and other web sites that mirror the entry. of the listed artists, Mavrick Magnolia has no web mentions, Chase Black has a few fan-art pieces and illustrations on the web (might be a coincidence), and Spike McAlister shares a name with a character on Buffy the Vampire Slayer. Dr. Blue turns out to be a more common name than you might expect, including a self described general practitioner with a blog. The entries don't read like the work of a professional writer or public relations person, so I don't think that this article was created for an advance publicity campaign. I say that this company might not exist outside the imagination of the guy that created the entries.-- Drvanthorp 22:09, 18 May 2007 (UTC)
well then, lets get to the deleting. Phoenix741 22:18, 18 May 2007 (UTC)
This, {{ Steve Gerber}}, seems to have just popped up.
Is this something we really need or want? It looks like it's being used to tie together anything Gerber even slightly touched as opposed to things he created, owns, or defined.
- J Greb 18:34, 22 May 2007 (UTC)
Not too sure where best to raise the issue, but I try here: An increasing amount of comics characters are being placed in character infoboxes that are custom made for superheroes, which in quite a few cases seems a bit silly. I haven't found any character infoboxes for "mortal" characters (not counting Supersupportingbox use of the superhero template) except for the Asterix template. Which gang of editors are most likely to want to have a say in developing a project-wide character infobox for "plain" characters? Murgh disc. 19:08, 22 May 2007 (UTC)
The Walt Simonson article mentions Simonson's signature, which is very distinctive and recognizable. I scanned a copy of an example and put it on the page (signatures and autographs are not eligible for copyright, except in extreme cases like Disney's which was trademarked). It looks nice in the infobox and adds a kind of personality to the artist's page...well, at least I think so. I expect eventually an image of Walt will appear either above or below in the infobox. Many comic book artists have distinctive signatures...I can provide several. What does everything think about this? If no one likes it, I can put Simonson's near the line in the article that discusses his signature instead. Afabbro 05:43, 24 May 2007 (UTC)
See:
There are many signature/autograph images that are tagged as {{pd-ineligible}}. Afabbro 16:33, 24 May 2007 (UTC)
There's another edit war with Vision (comics) happen. One user versus the world by the looks of things. What do we do about edit wars actually? RIANZ 02:21, 25 May 2007 (UTC)
There are now over 10,000 WikiProject Comics articles! (There are probably even more, but that's how many have the template on their talk page.) Next milestone, 10 Featured Articles? Good job, all around! -- GentlemanGhost 13:49, 25 May 2007 (UTC)
I think the Comic book code article should certainly be included in a comics-related category...but which one? I don't see a general "comics" category - they all seem to be sub-specialized. Quite possible that I'm not looking in the right place. It is part of the Category:Comics-related organizations category...but the history of censorship of comics contained on its page seems to transcend a simple description of an organization. Afabbro 18:12, 25 May 2007 (UTC)
Hum - do we have something like "Comic History"? maybe we should? or something similar? -- Fredrick day 18:16, 25 May 2007 (UTC)
I need some help tracking down the original sources of the following:
All of them show signs of Photoshopping: lens flares added, highlighting/color changes, and background manipulations. A few also had frames added (removed at this point, but those were "easy" fixes).
If possible we should get unadulterated scans loaded over these. If not, should the be taken down?
- J Greb 19:28, 23 May 2007 (UTC)
I think it's getting way too big and should have been split into two articles some time ago. One or Mister Mind, the other for the Monster Society of Evil. -- Basique 00:06, 27 May 2007 (UTC)
Recently, I created the Graphic Novels (Warhammer 40,000) to put up information on Warhammer 40,000 and characters involved in the board game that have stories based on them in the graphic novel format. The focus is only on warhammer, not on comic books, comic book companies, or the like. Recently, people from here have tried to hijack the group without showing respect to the original wikiproject. I would ask you kindly to cease such attempts and if you want your own page on the matter, to do so. As the (Warhammer 40,000) tag shows, this is only an extension of the Warhammer 40,000 page. Please respect that and respect our Wikiproject. SanchiTachi 15:48, 25 May 2007 (UTC)
FYI, I posted over on the Warhammer Proj to bring their attention, since it hadn't already been posted there. -- Ipstenu ( talk| contribs) 20:12, 25 May 2007 (UTC)
There is a dispute at L-Ron the robot's article about how important his connection to L. Ron Hubbard really is. Would anyone like to check it out and put in an opinion? Thanks. Steve Dufour 05:06, 27 May 2007 (UTC)
I finally got around to requesting the merger of Category:Comic conventions and Category:Comic book conventions as was discussed back in February. Please feel free to comment in the CfM/R discussion. (Doczilla's so quick, he already has!) -- GentlemanGhost 17:55, 27 May 2007 (UTC)
Basique ( talk · contribs) seems to insist on giving people a hard time by making poor edits to each of these articles. His stance is that the articles don't fit the WikiComics guidelines of separating the publication history and fictional character history. While I agree in the case of the Black Adam article (which is a mess), the Captain Marvel article is a different case altogether. While some of the detail can be trimmed from sections, the article was structured the way it is because, unlike Spider-Man for example, Captain Marvel has no cohesive "fictional biography". The article instead chronicles the character's publication history, and discusses how different writers and companies have utilized the character. Now, if someone feels the need to have a fictional character biography for Captain Marvel, what would - or should - it contain?
In addition, Basique has a bad habit of obliterating the lead sections on each of these articles, lumping them instead into the body of the article. These headers were written in accordance with Wikipedia: Lead section; since they summarize topics already covered in the body, making the lead sections part of the body introduces redundancy.
Discussing this matter with the editor has proved futile, and I have little patience for people who continuously try to force large (and poorly done) changes upon an established article that more experienced (and likely older) editors have already made a significant number of contributions to. -- FuriousFreddy 15:53, 28 May 2007 (UTC)
Even though we very frequently have separate sections for publication history and fictional character history, my understanding from the manual of style [16] is that a blending of the two would be preferred. I don't foresee that happening in all comic-related articles, but when an article successfully mixes them together with no in-universe text, we should not turn around and break it back up into separate publication history and fictional character history sections. When articles still have stretches of in-universe text, of course we have to separate them. Doczilla 06:18, 30 May 2007 (UTC)
I think we're going to have to revisit the exemplars. They were written a long time ago now, before the appropriate section of the manual of style was written, and probably need an overhaul. Hiding Talk 07:41, 31 May 2007 (UTC)
The Silver Surfer article is currently under review for becoming a good article. It is put on hold by Fritzpoll as general copyediting (grammar, syntax etc) and NPOV violations are in the way. I requested the help of Wikipedia:Cleanup Taskforce but have not obtained a response. I'd like to request the help of any wikipedians from wikiproject comics to help. Please see the talk page of the article for additional information. Zuracech lordum 09:12, 29 May 2007 (UTC)
The "Villains by adversary" categories are reappearing, despite having been salted. To whit: Category:Thor Villains and Category:Daredevil Villains. I've given the creator, a new user, a heads-up on his talk page. I don't have time to initiate a CfD right now, so if someone else wants to do it, feel free. -- GentlemanGhost 21:13, 31 May 2007 (UTC)
I just noticed some reverts relating to the "In other media" sections of a few articles. There is a disagreement about how much detail to put into video game descriptions within this section. The WikiProject Comics exemplars don't go into much detail regarding this section. (As noted above, the exemplars should probably be revisited.) Is a mere mention that a character appears in a particular game enough? Is it necessary to summarize the plot of the game as it pertains to that character? My personal feeling is that plot details belong in the main article for the game. Unless it contributes something regarding the game's characterization of the subject, I don't feel that plot synopses are helpful. I could just let sleeping dogs lie, but I thought this might be of interest to the project at large. -- GentlemanGhost 14:26, 1 June 2007 (UTC)
I was concerned specifically about video games, but expanding the topic to the "In other media" section in general is fine with me. I agree that my examples are pretty minor changes. What caught my attention is that they are all on my watchlist and they all showed up at the same time. It's not currently an edit war, but it concerns me that it might become one. So, I checked the exemplars page and discovered how little it had to say about that section. Now, I also don't want the project guidelines to become too strict, since Wikipedia is not a bureaucracy. But, it did surprise me; I had assumed that the exemplars backed up my point of view. Disputes can certainly be addressed on a case-by-case basis (Lord knows, guidelines never stopped edit wars anyway), but I thought it might be interesting to discuss. I had presumed consensus where there was none, so I figured I'd better seek input. -- GentlemanGhost 16:53, 1 June 2007 (UTC)
Anyone else heard of it, apparently it gave him omnipotence, and there is no article on it. Phoenix741 22:36, 1 June 2007 (UTC)