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I'm seeing more and more where people with even a slightly ambiguous gender identity have pronouns stripped entirely from their article. I would like to bring attention to the concept of 'de-gendering' and point out that this isn't some perfect solution. I mean, James Barry (surgeon) went to great lengths to hide his identity, used he/him pronouns until death, and referred to himself as a man. Why are we caving to transphobia to remove the pronouns he chose? Taking away pronouns only for genderqueer people isn't a permanent solution. Sock-the-guy ( talk) 23:16, 28 February 2024 (UTC)
MOS:GENDERID states, in regard to terms relating to gender identity: Give precedence to self-designation as reported in the most up-to-date reliable sources, even when it doesn't match what's most common in reliable sources.
I boldly created Category:Non-binary gay men (with help of WP:PetScan but I'm questioning if there's another way of naming this category. Category:Gay non-binary people or Category:Non-binary gay people? Is this vague? Sure there are non-binary men, but not everyone in the category would be directly a non-binary man I guess. And terms such as veldian/turian, vincian, or uranian imply WP:NEO. Any comment? -- MikutoH talk! 00:14, 12 March 2024 (UTC)
@ LilianaUwU, Antisymmetricnoise, Historyday01, and Aerin17: The categories were nominated/considered for dicussion (CfD), see Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2024 April 7#Category:Non-binary lesbians. -- MikutoH talk! 00:28, 9 April 2024 (UTC)
Hi all, I just pushed The Abbey (bar) to mainspace. I am not great with categorization or formatting citations uniformly, so any help in those domains would be especially appreciated! Wracking talk! 22:07, 27 March 2024 (UTC)
" Charlie Morningstar" and " Vaggie" have been nominated for deletion at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Charlie Morningstar and Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Vaggie. Your comments on these AfDs would be appreciated. Historyday01 ( talk) 04:05, 28 March 2024 (UTC)
My draft is here, I’m particularly unsure if the lead, early life and death are done properly?
Thank you in advance! :) FortunateSons ( talk) 13:03, 29 March 2024 (UTC)
Article surrounds topics such as gender-affirming care, circumcision, labiaplasty, and other matters.
Current debate here. Move discussion has been extended. KlayCax ( talk) 02:13, 30 March 2024 (UTC)
Hi all
I just finished writing TikTok-A-Thon for Trans Healthcare, I would really appreciate some help with it, also please add it to your watchlist, I know trans related pages get trolls, vandals etc.
Thanks very much
John Cummings ( talk) 19:34, 1 April 2024 (UTC)
There is a dispute over whether to include this content in the International Transgender Day of Visibility article (variations of it have been added and removed by several different editors, myself included). Discussion on the talk page would be welcome. Funcrunch ( talk) 02:04, 2 April 2024 (UTC)
Gay and Lesbian Teachers and Students Association has had extensive work since being assessed as C-class a year or so ago, such that I believe it now belongs in B-class or better. Would someone with expertise in classifications please take a look and either move up to B-class or better, or provide feedback on what the article still needs? Chrisdevelop ( talk) 02:40, 5 April 2024 (UTC)
As an FYI, the user made some sweeping changes, some of which very erroneously implied that Intersex, Asexuality and Aromanticism were separate from LGBTQIA+ by creating new subcategories and moving things around. Part of this may stem from the confusion that we currently still have all pages be titled just LGBT, although we use it to mean the wider community. This may need a broad cleanup to correct. Raladic ( talk) 16:26, 7 April 2024 (UTC)
An editor has requested that Classification of transsexual and transgender people be moved to Classification of transgender people, which may be of interest to this WikiProject. You are invited to participate in the move discussion. GnocchiFan ( talk) 19:53, 9 April 2024 (UTC)
Presently there is a discussion here about whether Kino, the protagonist in Kino's Journey, should be included on the page listing non-binary characters (including all those which fall under the non-binary umbrella). I've responded to the original post, which asked in part, "Can someone familiar with this character please clear up the confusion? How is Kino's gender identity best described?", and challenged Kino's inclusion on the page, among other comments. However, your views would also be useful in this discussion. Thanks! Historyday01 ( talk) 20:43, 9 April 2024 (UTC)
There is a requested move discussion at Talk:Classification of transsexual and transgender people#Requested move 7 April 2024 that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. RodRabelo7 ( talk) 23:49, 9 April 2024 (UTC)
There's a proposal to amend the GENSEX arbitration decision, to make it explicitly clear that admins can make any article or Talk: page in the GENSEX area be protected to require extended-confirmed (300/50) access to edit it.
People may wish to read and/or contribute to that discussion. — OwenBlacker (he/him; Talk) 18:59, 10 April 2024 (UTC)
It may be relevant to this Wikipoject to know that this article has recently undergone a substantial pruning of content and reliable sources as well as changes in WP:STRUCTURE, from e.g. this on 6 April to this on 11 April.
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Beccaynr ( talk) 00:09, 12 April 2024 (UTC)
Hi all
A major review into trans healthcare, the Cass Review, has been published in the UK, I'd really appreciate if people with an understanding of medical research could read it, its currently a very edited article with quite high traffic. To put it mildly the report is being used by politicians and press to push for restrictions to healthcare provisions. The report has been criticised by academics and trans groups in the UK for issues with both its research methodology and its recommendations, but I don't have experience in writing about this kind of thing on Wikipedia.
Thanks
John Cummings ( talk) 11:00, 13 April 2024 (UTC)
Primary sources should generally not be used for medical content, so we should be watchful of this widely-criticised hatchet-job being accepted uncritically in other articles about gender.
Hi OwenBlacker thanks very much, please could you post this on the talk page of the article as well? Thanks so much, John Cummings ( talk) 13:25, 13 April 2024 (UTC)
This article seems to flit back-and-forth between using modern terms for gender and sexual identities ("gay" and "transgender"), but in other parts it uses outdated language ("transvestite", "transsexual"). Obviously this is a historical article and I am aware that terminology changes, but I think this could do with a copyedit from members of this Wikiproject for consistency (and any other edits you would reccomend for this article). Thank you! GnocchiFan ( talk) 16:45, 16 April 2024 (UTC)
Does this project include asexuality and pansexuality? If not why not? If so why not call it WikiProject LGBTQ studies?
Thanks for reading. SigurdsSister ( talk) 06:48, 19 April 2024 (UTC)
Ok that’s totally fine, just wondering. SigurdsSister ( talk) 15:29, 19 April 2024 (UTC)
I just published Wikipedia:No Queerphobes, an essay in the vein of WP:NONAZIS, WP:No Racists, WP:No Confederates, and WP:Hate is disruptive. I'd appreciate people's thoughts on it! Best, Your Friendly Neighborhood Sociologist ⚧ Ⓐ ( talk) 01:05, 22 April 2024 (UTC)
As it stands, I think the above article reads as an anti-gay marriage POV fork (not sure about the reliability of the source used for the quote used within) with a lot of outdated sources. Possibly due a merge into the main Marriage article or maybe a rewrite, was wondering what members of this WikiProject think about it? GnocchiFan ( talk) 16:38, 22 April 2024 (UTC)
WikiProject LGBT studies |
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I'm seeing more and more where people with even a slightly ambiguous gender identity have pronouns stripped entirely from their article. I would like to bring attention to the concept of 'de-gendering' and point out that this isn't some perfect solution. I mean, James Barry (surgeon) went to great lengths to hide his identity, used he/him pronouns until death, and referred to himself as a man. Why are we caving to transphobia to remove the pronouns he chose? Taking away pronouns only for genderqueer people isn't a permanent solution. Sock-the-guy ( talk) 23:16, 28 February 2024 (UTC)
MOS:GENDERID states, in regard to terms relating to gender identity: Give precedence to self-designation as reported in the most up-to-date reliable sources, even when it doesn't match what's most common in reliable sources.
I boldly created Category:Non-binary gay men (with help of WP:PetScan but I'm questioning if there's another way of naming this category. Category:Gay non-binary people or Category:Non-binary gay people? Is this vague? Sure there are non-binary men, but not everyone in the category would be directly a non-binary man I guess. And terms such as veldian/turian, vincian, or uranian imply WP:NEO. Any comment? -- MikutoH talk! 00:14, 12 March 2024 (UTC)
@ LilianaUwU, Antisymmetricnoise, Historyday01, and Aerin17: The categories were nominated/considered for dicussion (CfD), see Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2024 April 7#Category:Non-binary lesbians. -- MikutoH talk! 00:28, 9 April 2024 (UTC)
Hi all, I just pushed The Abbey (bar) to mainspace. I am not great with categorization or formatting citations uniformly, so any help in those domains would be especially appreciated! Wracking talk! 22:07, 27 March 2024 (UTC)
" Charlie Morningstar" and " Vaggie" have been nominated for deletion at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Charlie Morningstar and Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Vaggie. Your comments on these AfDs would be appreciated. Historyday01 ( talk) 04:05, 28 March 2024 (UTC)
My draft is here, I’m particularly unsure if the lead, early life and death are done properly?
Thank you in advance! :) FortunateSons ( talk) 13:03, 29 March 2024 (UTC)
Article surrounds topics such as gender-affirming care, circumcision, labiaplasty, and other matters.
Current debate here. Move discussion has been extended. KlayCax ( talk) 02:13, 30 March 2024 (UTC)
Hi all
I just finished writing TikTok-A-Thon for Trans Healthcare, I would really appreciate some help with it, also please add it to your watchlist, I know trans related pages get trolls, vandals etc.
Thanks very much
John Cummings ( talk) 19:34, 1 April 2024 (UTC)
There is a dispute over whether to include this content in the International Transgender Day of Visibility article (variations of it have been added and removed by several different editors, myself included). Discussion on the talk page would be welcome. Funcrunch ( talk) 02:04, 2 April 2024 (UTC)
Gay and Lesbian Teachers and Students Association has had extensive work since being assessed as C-class a year or so ago, such that I believe it now belongs in B-class or better. Would someone with expertise in classifications please take a look and either move up to B-class or better, or provide feedback on what the article still needs? Chrisdevelop ( talk) 02:40, 5 April 2024 (UTC)
As an FYI, the user made some sweeping changes, some of which very erroneously implied that Intersex, Asexuality and Aromanticism were separate from LGBTQIA+ by creating new subcategories and moving things around. Part of this may stem from the confusion that we currently still have all pages be titled just LGBT, although we use it to mean the wider community. This may need a broad cleanup to correct. Raladic ( talk) 16:26, 7 April 2024 (UTC)
An editor has requested that Classification of transsexual and transgender people be moved to Classification of transgender people, which may be of interest to this WikiProject. You are invited to participate in the move discussion. GnocchiFan ( talk) 19:53, 9 April 2024 (UTC)
Presently there is a discussion here about whether Kino, the protagonist in Kino's Journey, should be included on the page listing non-binary characters (including all those which fall under the non-binary umbrella). I've responded to the original post, which asked in part, "Can someone familiar with this character please clear up the confusion? How is Kino's gender identity best described?", and challenged Kino's inclusion on the page, among other comments. However, your views would also be useful in this discussion. Thanks! Historyday01 ( talk) 20:43, 9 April 2024 (UTC)
There is a requested move discussion at Talk:Classification of transsexual and transgender people#Requested move 7 April 2024 that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. RodRabelo7 ( talk) 23:49, 9 April 2024 (UTC)
There's a proposal to amend the GENSEX arbitration decision, to make it explicitly clear that admins can make any article or Talk: page in the GENSEX area be protected to require extended-confirmed (300/50) access to edit it.
People may wish to read and/or contribute to that discussion. — OwenBlacker (he/him; Talk) 18:59, 10 April 2024 (UTC)
It may be relevant to this Wikipoject to know that this article has recently undergone a substantial pruning of content and reliable sources as well as changes in WP:STRUCTURE, from e.g. this on 6 April to this on 11 April.
Changes include e.g.
examples of changes to the article between 6 April and 11 April
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---|
|
Beccaynr ( talk) 00:09, 12 April 2024 (UTC)
Hi all
A major review into trans healthcare, the Cass Review, has been published in the UK, I'd really appreciate if people with an understanding of medical research could read it, its currently a very edited article with quite high traffic. To put it mildly the report is being used by politicians and press to push for restrictions to healthcare provisions. The report has been criticised by academics and trans groups in the UK for issues with both its research methodology and its recommendations, but I don't have experience in writing about this kind of thing on Wikipedia.
Thanks
John Cummings ( talk) 11:00, 13 April 2024 (UTC)
Primary sources should generally not be used for medical content, so we should be watchful of this widely-criticised hatchet-job being accepted uncritically in other articles about gender.
Hi OwenBlacker thanks very much, please could you post this on the talk page of the article as well? Thanks so much, John Cummings ( talk) 13:25, 13 April 2024 (UTC)
This article seems to flit back-and-forth between using modern terms for gender and sexual identities ("gay" and "transgender"), but in other parts it uses outdated language ("transvestite", "transsexual"). Obviously this is a historical article and I am aware that terminology changes, but I think this could do with a copyedit from members of this Wikiproject for consistency (and any other edits you would reccomend for this article). Thank you! GnocchiFan ( talk) 16:45, 16 April 2024 (UTC)
Does this project include asexuality and pansexuality? If not why not? If so why not call it WikiProject LGBTQ studies?
Thanks for reading. SigurdsSister ( talk) 06:48, 19 April 2024 (UTC)
Ok that’s totally fine, just wondering. SigurdsSister ( talk) 15:29, 19 April 2024 (UTC)
I just published Wikipedia:No Queerphobes, an essay in the vein of WP:NONAZIS, WP:No Racists, WP:No Confederates, and WP:Hate is disruptive. I'd appreciate people's thoughts on it! Best, Your Friendly Neighborhood Sociologist ⚧ Ⓐ ( talk) 01:05, 22 April 2024 (UTC)
As it stands, I think the above article reads as an anti-gay marriage POV fork (not sure about the reliability of the source used for the quote used within) with a lot of outdated sources. Possibly due a merge into the main Marriage article or maybe a rewrite, was wondering what members of this WikiProject think about it? GnocchiFan ( talk) 16:38, 22 April 2024 (UTC)