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Hi again! While researching for the creation of Draft:1918-1920 New York City rent strikes I came across a kind of interesting slideshow of tenant history that I thought you might find a useful reference so I'm sharing it here. Tenant Movement History Timeline Slides - English.pdf
Of particular interest covered in it I think is the Draft:United Workers Cooperative Colony which was a socialist non-segregated cooperative housing project that was started by garment workers in the Bronx in 1925 with around 2,000 residents living there. There seems to be an entire PBS documentary on it surprisingly. Anyways hope its helpful! -- LoomCreek ( talk) 07:13, 19 August 2023 (UTC)
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Hello again, comrade! It's been a long time, and I see neither of us have been that active on enwiki lately. As for me, I've been going through some major life changes, and have written a bit about queer topics in Nynorsk. It's a much more pleasant experience, though sadly feels much less social. :) I'm currently no longer active on the Fediverse; if you have tried to tell me something important, I'm always available on Wikipedia (I stay logged in even if I don't edit) as well as per e-mail.
I see you've been making progress on that topic ban of yours. You've clearly done a good job being "rehabilitated", even under a ban I would modestly describe as very unfair. I'm still ready to write that epistle I talked about in my !vote, should the tables show signs of turning so late in the discussion. In any case, I'm looking excitedly forward to seeing your great contribution to queer articless again soon. <3 -- Maddy from Celeste ( WAVEDASH) 20:49, 15 November 2023 (UTC)
Congrats on the lifting of your topic ban! Loki ( talk) 05:43, 16 November 2023 (UTC)
There is absolutely a cabal of troon editors on Wikipedia who push an extremely pro-TRA editorial slant on any article even tangentially related to their fetish lifestyle. That said, singling out one person in this respect seems a little myopic. If you're going to target a specific Wikipedia user then it should probably be TheTranarchist, who I've noticed is particularly prominent in writing hitpieces on various TERFs and has an outsized influence in directing the course of discussion on the topic. The articles they wrote about SEGM and Genspect (these are just two examples, there are many others) blatantly violate Wikipedia's guidelines on neutrality and their userpage and Mastodon profile indicate they enjoy antagonizing their targets. But again, it's more of an issue with the site in general than with any one person, and harassing them would merely enable them to wallow in their self-appointed victim status more than they already do.Take out the gratuitous insults, leave in calling articles on QUACKS with 2 years of consensus "hit pieces" that "blatantly violate Wikipedia's guidelines", leave in the revelation "it's more of an issue with the site [ie: NPOV, RS, and FRINGE] in general than with any one person" for the comedic effect of saying the quite part out loud and voila... TheTranarchist ⚧ Ⓐ ( talk) 18:23, 16 November 2023 (UTC)
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We didn't interact much, but I saw a lot of your editing. Welcome back to editing GenSex. I still liked your old username! it sure did get the attention of the anti-wikipedia Twitter mobs. Zenomonoz ( talk) 09:16, 21 November 2023 (UTC)
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Hi again! Hope you're doing well. I finished the 1918-20 New York City rent strikes finally. It was kind of a beast to try to fully tackle and integrate all the different sources, undoubtly there are also still some oversights even if the broad strokes are there.
Currently it's writing is still a bit messy, which I'll have to improve on in the coming months. But I decided to publish as it's still accurate & gives a fairly good picture. it just needs to have some smoother transitions between sections, some general wording cleanup and a couple paragraph consolidations. Let me know if I've missed anything in the article and any feedback would be greatly appreciated!
On an unrelated note, I think it might be useful to spin off the Wikipedia:WikiProject New York City/Housing and Tenant Rights Task Force to instead a general Housing and Tenant Rights Task Force. I think New York would likely still remain a focus because of it's deep history, but I do think it could be a good idea to make the criteria a bit more flexible and open to new wiki members. Please let me know what you think!
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I would say at this point that Draft:Association for a Better New York is in good enough shape to be moved to mainspace. Unless you would prefer to keep working in draft, I would be happy to make the move. Cheers! BD2412 T 02:24, 10 December 2023 (UTC)
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So I've noticed you in the past on the article talk pages of wiki articles talking about LGBT issues, and I've always loved what additions you've made to Wikipedia. Now, I'm even more struck by awe when I know that some organisations tried to rally together a lynch mob against a freaking Wikipedia editor with a straight face, and you just stood still in the middle of the trolls, continuing your efforts. But I've heard that you've been topic banned from articles talking about LGBT subjects. How did that happen? Why? How can I help? Can I help to bring you back somehow? I really wish I could see you back on there :3 So, if you or anyone could tell me why you've been banned and what's going to happen now, that'd be great ;3 Alwaysgonnaedit ( talk) 19:03, 18 January 2024 (UTC)
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I never knew her but the community of queer historians is small and the people who knew her in my circles are grieving hard. Thanks for taking the time to make this. Computer-ergonomics (he/him; talk; please ping me in replies ) 15:01, 7 February 2024 (UTC) |
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I'm very glad to see that your topic ban is lifted! Of course, it shouldn't have been imposed in the first place at all. Please receive my (belated) congratulations for that, I wasn't aware of its lifting until today. Same goes for your new username – when did you change it? Anyway, I hope that you are well, and that now you'll be able to continue your important work in the GENSEX area, your prime focus of interest and expertise here. — Sundostund mppria ( talk / contribs) 09:07, 10 February 2024 (UTC)
Lost track of where I first heard of the History/rights table in your sandbox, probably at WP:LGBT, but anyway, I have some feedback for you at its Talk page. Mathglot ( talk) 05:09, 12 February 2024 (UTC)
I'll look at passing in the regions from the config because that should theoretically definitely be possible.
Am I correct that this template is the generalization of what we've been working on, so that it could be used for more general topics, and that with the appropriate config or params, will generate the same table we have been talking about?Yep! The next big step is the regional notes, but I think I know a way to pass them as params to make the template usage simple (something like {{Regional articles|title|another title|regions=countries|UnitedStatesNotes=Some notes|BrazilNotes=More notes|...}} ), followed by handling languages in a similar fashion. I'll get back to you in the config section below after trying that out, but very brief response I think the current organization is good if needing extension, and if I can get that param passing working then it'll be easy to keep that behind the scenes for handling defaults and let people not bother with it.
I feel like we're getting close to something really usefulMe too! I just cleaned up the doc per your notes and hope it better illustrates the current functionality, though it's going to have to grow as I add more features lol. Your Friendly Neighborhood Sociologist ⚧ Ⓐ ( talk) 22:58, 15 March 2024 (UTC)
Hi, YFNS, I've been working on a related decoration template for article size, because I think the icons emitted by {{ alr}} are too opaque. It's at Draft:Article length bar, and it's emitting the right diagram, but it's displaying in block mode, instead of inline mode. The style at Draft:Article length bar/styles.css derives from {{ Thermometer/styles.css}}, and may be the source of the problem; in particular, I think the first two divs can be combined. Be that as it may, you seem pretty good at this stuff; do you see how to update the draft template so that it emits the image in inline display mode? Mathglot ( talk) 12:05, 19 February 2024 (UTC)
We talked about the config above, and I was also somewhat leery of using a config as I hadn't seen that kind of thing before here, but having thought over various approaches, decided to go with it. I was still hoping to find other uses of config files to have comfort in numbers and precedent, and now I have some examples: User:MusikBot II/TemplateProtector/config and Module:Footnotes/whitelist. They both look like JSON to me, though I'm not familiar with JSON commenting, so maybe it's some variant, or a plain vanilla Lua hash with Lua comments.
In any case, one is for a bot and the other is for the Footnotes module that deals with Sfn and all that, and it makes me more comfortable that the config approach here is okay; I have a hard time seeing how one could say it's okay for a Module, but not for a template. So I feel we're good to go now with a config, and needn't worry further about that approach; but I wanted to solicit your feedback about that. (I also just found {{ Infobox element/symbol-to-term-symbol}} while writing this, which provides even more support; it's harder to find them when they don't have 'config' in the title, so there may be lots more of these.)
Secondarily—and of less concern, but as long as we're talking about configs—there's the issue of what language/style the config should be. I had considered JSON at the outset, because I see it being used in the WP:TemplateData sections in the /doc for many templates to drive the Visual editor users who want to use the template. But in the end, I decided that we write templates in "template language" (so to speak) and it seemed most natural to me to just continue that; after all, if we didn't have a config, that's how that functionality would have to be coded back in the template, and why search around for a JSON-parsing template just to grab config data via transclusion that didn't need any special handling? So just having the config as a big switch seemed like a natural choice to me, just as a Lua array/JSON might be natural for a Module. (I even considered other possibilities; a list of easily matchable key/value pairs; a page with separate sections where each section has one value and you do selective transclusion to grab the value, as in this edit at Leslie Feinberg supported by a subtemplate config, since userfied to here.)
I ended up going with a config also for the {{ Article length bar}} (at {{ Alb/c}} ) as well, with some override params, the idea being that the config establishes the sitewide defaults but is separate from the template to facilitate adjustment without mucking with the bowels of somewhat intricate template code, while the override params allow any editor who wishes to transclude the template to use different values than the config on a case-by-case basis. (And I know I still owe you a response above on the Alb template, and I'll loop back to that eventually.) Thoughts? Mathglot ( talk) 08:04, 15 March 2024 (UTC)
Wrote this comment up and lost it, somehow. Anyway, {{
Article attribute decoration}} is released from Draft and is now live. There was a fair bit of housekeeping, if anything is broken, I probably forgot something. I fixed one call in {{
Article info}}, so hopefully that propagates, but if something is broken anyway, try purging the page. The 'all' subtemplate will dump several icons (or unicode chars), so you can have {{
aad/all|Transgender history in Argentina}}
→
(or the lightweight, character-based version: {{
aad/all|Transgender history in Argentina|raw=y}}
→ ↳18.8kb Ⓝд ). Since I see you are using exists/DNE in the Regions template, should I add something to add for that as well?
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Have been away and mostly inactive for a couple of weeks, as you probably noticed, but would like to pick up on this again. I'd like to see this table development platform (or whatever we want to call it) get used in one place at least (Argentina? Templates that are not used end up at Tfd from an active group scouring for them) where it could then serve as a model for use elsewhere. Am happy to collaborate with you on this, but as you created the initial concept it makes sense for you to take lead on it. Am happy to assist further in whatever way you need. Maybe start with bringing me up to date where things stand now? Mathglot ( talk) 22:02, 17 April 2024 (UTC)
This was deleted from mainspace as an advertisement, and I have restored it to draft per a WP:RFU request. The organization is clearly notable, but the current presentation of the article is a no-go. Let me know what you think. Cheers! BD2412 T 19:52, 13 February 2024 (UTC)
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Per your comments at Talk:Puberty blocker#Science based medicine. I've seen this before, where anything concerning trans matters from the UK is dismissed per "TERF Island" prejudicial comments. I strongly advise you stop that right now as that path leads to an Arbcom topic ban. It isn't even like the US is any better, so such an prejudicial attitude is liable to mockery, never mind having no place on Wikipedia. -- Colin° Talk 15:37, 19 March 2024 (UTC)
If we would not treat a review by the Russian equivalent of NICE finding homosexuality to be infectious or etc to be infallible, then we shouldn't give a lot of weight to a review by anonymous authors criticized by leading international professional groups from a country a Council of Europe report found to have a human rights problem due mass vilification of trans people, rising anti-trans sentiment, and rollbacks and attacks on transgender civil liberties due to the rise in power of the gender-critical movement.[20] The United Kingdom's abyssal treatment of trans people is internationally considered WP:FRINGE.is the sort of comment that will make eyes roll and admins reach for sanctions. You might as well have gone full Godwin's Law and compared the UK to Nazi Germany. An all this FOI request stuff is insinuation that is not befitting a medical article on Wikipedia. Save it for a blog. Stop throwing that WP:FRINGE link around too. That's for flat earth stuff, not the medical guidelines from the experts of a country of 60 million. Please go examine some other NICE guidelines, pick a non-controversial topic, like epilepsy treatment in children, say. I think you'll find that NICE routinely report that medical therapies lack evidence. This review would be quite surprising if it did otherwise.
not the medical guidelines from the experts of a country of 60 millionraises the immediate question to "who chooses the experts?" and "what country". Is the position democratically elected or by appointment? Is the subject a minority group the government is internationally known to mistreat? You repeat the point,
You cannot dismiss an entire democracy of 60 million people. It is outrageously offensive, but I am not "dismissing" an "entire democracy" as you put it, I am saying we need to consider all RS, including those saying a country's government and medical institutions have a bad track record with certain human rights. On that last note, I'm somewhat confused, are you arguing 1) that the UK Government and NHS haven't been internationally criticized for their treatment of trans people or 2) that they have but it holds absolutely no weight to the discussion?
23 million people, was it
outrageously offensivewhen I noted their track record and the fact their medical recommendations were political in that specific situation? Or is it only a problem when the UK's government is questioned? Which governmental medical organizations are OK to question as due and when? Your Friendly Neighborhood Sociologist ⚧ Ⓐ ( talk) 20:39, 19 March 2024 (UTC)
::::::::I mean, see point 1) from the second comment in this thread. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ --
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If the purpose of that sentence is to attempt to undermine a MEDRS source because it may have been written by a baddie, that’s even worse.and
NICE are specifically named on WP:MEDRS as an example of widely respected governmental and quasi-governmental health authorities. Your attempt to redefine this as WP:FRINGE is misplaced. The whole purpose of that discussion is to discredit NICE as a source for whether puberty blockers are an evidence-based effective/safe therapy. Except, outside of I'm guessing some little twitter bubble, NICE's reputation is intact, as is the UK's reputation for evidence based medicine, which is world leading. Reputation is about the long term and multiple cases. This is what matters on Wikipedia. Editors cannot come here with their own opinions about what is the right or wrong treatment for one particular medical issue, and because they think X is wrong on this one matter, claim X's reputation must be bad, because, you know, Putin. That's not how "reliable sources" works. -- Colin° Talk 14:11, 20 March 2024 (UTC)
thus discredit anything anyone in the UKwhere am I doing this????? A government != every british person... When I said the Florida medical board was politically appointed, was I criticizing a government and it's institutions or literally ever Floridian????
yes, they fully support "inclusion" of the NICE review, relegated to the criticism section- care to strike that? I explicitly supported moving it from the criticism section days ago [4]. I didn't put it in that section, but if you want to blame me for that go ahead I guess...
as is the UK's reputation for evidence based medicineexcept in trans healthcare, an internationally recognized problem...
Editors cannot come here with their own opinions about what is the right or wrong treatment for one particular medical issue,... You do realize I oppose the use of puberty blockers for trans youth in all but rare circumstances, right? But there's a difference between my own opinions and the international consensus, which supports them. One flawed review (and that's the opinion of multiple international medical organizations) doesn't change international consensus about whether puberty blockers should be used for trans youth. If I was editing by my opinion and not RS, the article would be a lot more critical of their use for trans minors.
literally all british people are unreliable on trans topics alwaysand not
we should consider the UK government's track record on trans rights and healthcare when writing about their recommendations. Your Friendly Neighborhood Sociologist ⚧ Ⓐ ( talk) 14:39, 20 March 2024 (UTC)
still relegatedThere is a separate discussion on how to include them in the lead, and I also supported including it there [6]. The criticism section was a recent addition (please, reflect on the Bipartisan nature of both me and Void agreeing it shouldn't be there), and it makes sense the UK guidelines would go in *checks notes* the section on UK guidelines. Still shadowboxing - I have pushed more for including the NICE report on that talk page than you have and you keep trying to argue I'm
deprecatingor
relegatingit...
It is also becoming increasingly difficult for individuals and organisations to publicly affirm young trans people without being subject to hostility and disproportionate questioning from wider society,
[the GC campaign] has been instrumental in creating a situation in which legal gender recognition processes still require a clinical diagnosis of gender dysphoria, and remain inaccessible to non-binary people and anyone under 18.,
There is also a concerning, growing account of parents who (due to difficulties in accessing timely public health care) pursue private health care on behalf of their child, being investigated by State authorities.,
Trans healthcare is also being erroneously portrayed as a form of LGB conversion therapy. The TLDR, the UK is not respecting the rights of transgender youth, making it difficult for them to access timely care and investigating those who get it through other means, and making ridiculous statements about trans healthcare. It also calls on member states to protect
legal gender recognition, the bodily integrity of intersex people, the protection of rainbow families, access to trans-specific healthcare
clinical guidelines of a major liberal democracy are tarnished by xenophobic commentsThey haven't actually released clinical guidelines. As a friend, I'm telling you you're shadowboxing a point I never made:
The idea that we might deprecate NICE. I support inclusion of the report (and, it is a single review that was criticized by leading health organizations for ignoring relevant evidence, not an official guideline as you keep referring to it as). Questioning its weight in relation to other sources does not mean I am calling for removing it from the article, much less
deprecatingit.
can we include "a FOI request was denied". It was never
should we include the NICE reportbecause nobody is arguing we shouldn't. You've now left multiple comments on my talk page about the NICE report, and not the actual thing that thread was discussing (the FOI request).
you'll see other European nations have taken similar approaches.Please point me to the other European country saying RCTs are needed for puberty blockers? Only the UK has called for those, which is silly as even every other study in their report explicitly noted how unethical and infeasible those are. I actually had to spent a fair bit of time fixing up the PB article because it was full of misinformation portraying countries as banning care when they hadn't and their national medical organizations fully endorse it. The U.K.s treatment of transgender people continues to be a medical outlier internationally.
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A view that puberty blockers lack [GRADE high-quality evidence] and should be treated with varying degrees of caution is "typical"everywhere. WPATH says the same. Nobody denies that more research is needed. Nobody denies we're basing it on observational studies instead of the normally more rigourous RCTs. But only the UK is calling for RCTs.
How to resolve that problem is a matter for clever people, not Wikipedian's or twitterati- And those clever people, such as those the NICE report reviewed, WPATH, EPATH, etc, have said
the way you're proposing to do it is highly unethical. Only the UK has proposed the problem be resolved that way. RCTs are not unethical according to my opinion as a wikipedian, it's scientific consensus from decades of research into the topic (and, notably, they are even considered unethical for precocious puberty). Your Friendly Neighborhood Sociologist ⚧ Ⓐ ( talk) 14:49, 20 March 2024 (UTC)
using modified GRADE, they did not use all available evidence, just some of it, placing a premium on an unethical type of evidence (RCTs).
The healthcare approach of an entire liberal democratic stable country cannot possibly be FRINGE.- And yet, in the case of Florida,
The healthcare approach of an entire liberal democratic stable state of 23 millioncan be WP:FRINGE. The GOP plan is to federally ban trans healthcare in 2025 on this side of the pond, and when they do, it'll still be medically FRINGE. Many liberal democracies require trans people be sterilized to change their ID, this is considered FRINGE from an international human rights and medical consensus. Nowhere, in all of WP:MEDRS, does it say
a healthcare approachstops being FRINGE as long as 1 country endorses it. Your Friendly Neighborhood Sociologist ⚧ Ⓐ ( talk) 16:01, 20 March 2024 (UTC)
as badas each other (and I regret it coming off that way), because the UK is certainly far ahead of Russia in terms of LGBT treatment. It was to highlight that we can and do take political situations into account all the time when weighing medical organizations by pointing to an obvious, if extreme, example. Your Friendly Neighborhood Sociologist ⚧ Ⓐ ( talk) 19:26, 20 March 2024 (UTC)
@ Mathglot I've had a fair bit of time to work on Template:Regional articles in the last few days. I got the notes handled (doc's updated to match)! But, I'm now stuck on a bug I was hoping you could help me with regarding languages (hence the name of this section lol).
If you check out Template:Regional articles, you can see that there's a Template loop error where the languages should be. What this should look like is at Template:Regional articles/row. Template:Article info uses a Template:for nowiki loop (through Template:For loop delimited) to generate the language links ( Template:Regional articles/row/col passes the default languages per region as I defined in Template:Regional articles/config). However, this is giving a template loop error as the Regional articles template uses a for nowiki loop to generate the rows for each region. I think there should be a way to get nested for loops working, but idk where to start, I spent a few hours trying to fix it last night without any luck. Any thoughts? (question also open to talk page stalkers good with templating) Your Friendly Neighborhood Sociologist ⚧ Ⓐ ( talk) 13:27, 20 March 2024 (UTC)
|region_list=Argentina
) but already had it in the back of my mind to suggest exactly what you just did, namely, clone the repeatedly called template. I'd add some kind of note that it should be kept in sync with the original (although, maybe it doesn't have to be, if the cloned piece does what you want, and you don't care about whatever changes happen to the original?). Anyway, glad you managed to fix it!
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You've been trouted! After making some changes to {{ Translation request}} some weeks back and discovering that substing was broken due to upstream unsubsted template {{ Sitelink}}, I hesitated to change Sitelink because I had never worked on it and only recently seen it for the first time. Eventually, after waiting a while, I did make some changes to subst-protect it so the {{ Translation request}} would work properly substed, and all looked good. At least, for a while.
Today, I made some changes to {{ Dual fluency}}, and once again, there was a subst problem traceable to {{ Sitelink}}. It looked like I had missed subst-protecting one #if statement, so I went ahead and fixed that one, too, feeling rather abashed that I had missed one last time around, thinking I had tested it properly the first time, but apparently not. Upon further reflection, wondering how that one had snuck through, I had another look at {{ Sitelink}} again. Turns out, my earlier update to add subst-protection was good, but another editor came along afterward and made an update to the code to add a new parameter, 'shortlinked', and neglected to subst-protect it. My subsequent edit and "Oops" comment blaming myself turns out to have been misplaced. Wh-a-a-a-c-c-c-k! You've been whacked by a wet trout! Mathglot ( talk) 08:19, 23 March 2024 (UTC)
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Hello again, comrade! It's been a long time, and I see neither of us have been that active on enwiki lately. As for me, I've been going through some major life changes, and have written a bit about queer topics in Nynorsk. It's a much more pleasant experience, though sadly feels much less social. :) I'm currently no longer active on the Fediverse; if you have tried to tell me something important, I'm always available on Wikipedia (I stay logged in even if I don't edit) as well as per e-mail.
I see you've been making progress on that topic ban of yours. You've clearly done a good job being "rehabilitated", even under a ban I would modestly describe as very unfair. I'm still ready to write that epistle I talked about in my !vote, should the tables show signs of turning so late in the discussion. In any case, I'm looking excitedly forward to seeing your great contribution to queer articless again soon. <3 -- Maddy from Celeste ( WAVEDASH) 20:49, 15 November 2023 (UTC)
Congrats on the lifting of your topic ban! Loki ( talk) 05:43, 16 November 2023 (UTC)
There is absolutely a cabal of troon editors on Wikipedia who push an extremely pro-TRA editorial slant on any article even tangentially related to their fetish lifestyle. That said, singling out one person in this respect seems a little myopic. If you're going to target a specific Wikipedia user then it should probably be TheTranarchist, who I've noticed is particularly prominent in writing hitpieces on various TERFs and has an outsized influence in directing the course of discussion on the topic. The articles they wrote about SEGM and Genspect (these are just two examples, there are many others) blatantly violate Wikipedia's guidelines on neutrality and their userpage and Mastodon profile indicate they enjoy antagonizing their targets. But again, it's more of an issue with the site in general than with any one person, and harassing them would merely enable them to wallow in their self-appointed victim status more than they already do.Take out the gratuitous insults, leave in calling articles on QUACKS with 2 years of consensus "hit pieces" that "blatantly violate Wikipedia's guidelines", leave in the revelation "it's more of an issue with the site [ie: NPOV, RS, and FRINGE] in general than with any one person" for the comedic effect of saying the quite part out loud and voila... TheTranarchist ⚧ Ⓐ ( talk) 18:23, 16 November 2023 (UTC)
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Hi again! Hope you're doing well. I finished the 1918-20 New York City rent strikes finally. It was kind of a beast to try to fully tackle and integrate all the different sources, undoubtly there are also still some oversights even if the broad strokes are there.
Currently it's writing is still a bit messy, which I'll have to improve on in the coming months. But I decided to publish as it's still accurate & gives a fairly good picture. it just needs to have some smoother transitions between sections, some general wording cleanup and a couple paragraph consolidations. Let me know if I've missed anything in the article and any feedback would be greatly appreciated!
On an unrelated note, I think it might be useful to spin off the Wikipedia:WikiProject New York City/Housing and Tenant Rights Task Force to instead a general Housing and Tenant Rights Task Force. I think New York would likely still remain a focus because of it's deep history, but I do think it could be a good idea to make the criteria a bit more flexible and open to new wiki members. Please let me know what you think!
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I would say at this point that Draft:Association for a Better New York is in good enough shape to be moved to mainspace. Unless you would prefer to keep working in draft, I would be happy to make the move. Cheers! BD2412 T 02:24, 10 December 2023 (UTC)
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So I've noticed you in the past on the article talk pages of wiki articles talking about LGBT issues, and I've always loved what additions you've made to Wikipedia. Now, I'm even more struck by awe when I know that some organisations tried to rally together a lynch mob against a freaking Wikipedia editor with a straight face, and you just stood still in the middle of the trolls, continuing your efforts. But I've heard that you've been topic banned from articles talking about LGBT subjects. How did that happen? Why? How can I help? Can I help to bring you back somehow? I really wish I could see you back on there :3 So, if you or anyone could tell me why you've been banned and what's going to happen now, that'd be great ;3 Alwaysgonnaedit ( talk) 19:03, 18 January 2024 (UTC)
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I never knew her but the community of queer historians is small and the people who knew her in my circles are grieving hard. Thanks for taking the time to make this. Computer-ergonomics (he/him; talk; please ping me in replies ) 15:01, 7 February 2024 (UTC) |
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I'm very glad to see that your topic ban is lifted! Of course, it shouldn't have been imposed in the first place at all. Please receive my (belated) congratulations for that, I wasn't aware of its lifting until today. Same goes for your new username – when did you change it? Anyway, I hope that you are well, and that now you'll be able to continue your important work in the GENSEX area, your prime focus of interest and expertise here. — Sundostund mppria ( talk / contribs) 09:07, 10 February 2024 (UTC)
Lost track of where I first heard of the History/rights table in your sandbox, probably at WP:LGBT, but anyway, I have some feedback for you at its Talk page. Mathglot ( talk) 05:09, 12 February 2024 (UTC)
I'll look at passing in the regions from the config because that should theoretically definitely be possible.
Am I correct that this template is the generalization of what we've been working on, so that it could be used for more general topics, and that with the appropriate config or params, will generate the same table we have been talking about?Yep! The next big step is the regional notes, but I think I know a way to pass them as params to make the template usage simple (something like {{Regional articles|title|another title|regions=countries|UnitedStatesNotes=Some notes|BrazilNotes=More notes|...}} ), followed by handling languages in a similar fashion. I'll get back to you in the config section below after trying that out, but very brief response I think the current organization is good if needing extension, and if I can get that param passing working then it'll be easy to keep that behind the scenes for handling defaults and let people not bother with it.
I feel like we're getting close to something really usefulMe too! I just cleaned up the doc per your notes and hope it better illustrates the current functionality, though it's going to have to grow as I add more features lol. Your Friendly Neighborhood Sociologist ⚧ Ⓐ ( talk) 22:58, 15 March 2024 (UTC)
Hi, YFNS, I've been working on a related decoration template for article size, because I think the icons emitted by {{ alr}} are too opaque. It's at Draft:Article length bar, and it's emitting the right diagram, but it's displaying in block mode, instead of inline mode. The style at Draft:Article length bar/styles.css derives from {{ Thermometer/styles.css}}, and may be the source of the problem; in particular, I think the first two divs can be combined. Be that as it may, you seem pretty good at this stuff; do you see how to update the draft template so that it emits the image in inline display mode? Mathglot ( talk) 12:05, 19 February 2024 (UTC)
We talked about the config above, and I was also somewhat leery of using a config as I hadn't seen that kind of thing before here, but having thought over various approaches, decided to go with it. I was still hoping to find other uses of config files to have comfort in numbers and precedent, and now I have some examples: User:MusikBot II/TemplateProtector/config and Module:Footnotes/whitelist. They both look like JSON to me, though I'm not familiar with JSON commenting, so maybe it's some variant, or a plain vanilla Lua hash with Lua comments.
In any case, one is for a bot and the other is for the Footnotes module that deals with Sfn and all that, and it makes me more comfortable that the config approach here is okay; I have a hard time seeing how one could say it's okay for a Module, but not for a template. So I feel we're good to go now with a config, and needn't worry further about that approach; but I wanted to solicit your feedback about that. (I also just found {{ Infobox element/symbol-to-term-symbol}} while writing this, which provides even more support; it's harder to find them when they don't have 'config' in the title, so there may be lots more of these.)
Secondarily—and of less concern, but as long as we're talking about configs—there's the issue of what language/style the config should be. I had considered JSON at the outset, because I see it being used in the WP:TemplateData sections in the /doc for many templates to drive the Visual editor users who want to use the template. But in the end, I decided that we write templates in "template language" (so to speak) and it seemed most natural to me to just continue that; after all, if we didn't have a config, that's how that functionality would have to be coded back in the template, and why search around for a JSON-parsing template just to grab config data via transclusion that didn't need any special handling? So just having the config as a big switch seemed like a natural choice to me, just as a Lua array/JSON might be natural for a Module. (I even considered other possibilities; a list of easily matchable key/value pairs; a page with separate sections where each section has one value and you do selective transclusion to grab the value, as in this edit at Leslie Feinberg supported by a subtemplate config, since userfied to here.)
I ended up going with a config also for the {{ Article length bar}} (at {{ Alb/c}} ) as well, with some override params, the idea being that the config establishes the sitewide defaults but is separate from the template to facilitate adjustment without mucking with the bowels of somewhat intricate template code, while the override params allow any editor who wishes to transclude the template to use different values than the config on a case-by-case basis. (And I know I still owe you a response above on the Alb template, and I'll loop back to that eventually.) Thoughts? Mathglot ( talk) 08:04, 15 March 2024 (UTC)
Wrote this comment up and lost it, somehow. Anyway, {{
Article attribute decoration}} is released from Draft and is now live. There was a fair bit of housekeeping, if anything is broken, I probably forgot something. I fixed one call in {{
Article info}}, so hopefully that propagates, but if something is broken anyway, try purging the page. The 'all' subtemplate will dump several icons (or unicode chars), so you can have {{
aad/all|Transgender history in Argentina}}
→
(or the lightweight, character-based version: {{
aad/all|Transgender history in Argentina|raw=y}}
→ ↳18.8kb Ⓝд ). Since I see you are using exists/DNE in the Regions template, should I add something to add for that as well?
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Have been away and mostly inactive for a couple of weeks, as you probably noticed, but would like to pick up on this again. I'd like to see this table development platform (or whatever we want to call it) get used in one place at least (Argentina? Templates that are not used end up at Tfd from an active group scouring for them) where it could then serve as a model for use elsewhere. Am happy to collaborate with you on this, but as you created the initial concept it makes sense for you to take lead on it. Am happy to assist further in whatever way you need. Maybe start with bringing me up to date where things stand now? Mathglot ( talk) 22:02, 17 April 2024 (UTC)
This was deleted from mainspace as an advertisement, and I have restored it to draft per a WP:RFU request. The organization is clearly notable, but the current presentation of the article is a no-go. Let me know what you think. Cheers! BD2412 T 19:52, 13 February 2024 (UTC)
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Per your comments at Talk:Puberty blocker#Science based medicine. I've seen this before, where anything concerning trans matters from the UK is dismissed per "TERF Island" prejudicial comments. I strongly advise you stop that right now as that path leads to an Arbcom topic ban. It isn't even like the US is any better, so such an prejudicial attitude is liable to mockery, never mind having no place on Wikipedia. -- Colin° Talk 15:37, 19 March 2024 (UTC)
If we would not treat a review by the Russian equivalent of NICE finding homosexuality to be infectious or etc to be infallible, then we shouldn't give a lot of weight to a review by anonymous authors criticized by leading international professional groups from a country a Council of Europe report found to have a human rights problem due mass vilification of trans people, rising anti-trans sentiment, and rollbacks and attacks on transgender civil liberties due to the rise in power of the gender-critical movement.[20] The United Kingdom's abyssal treatment of trans people is internationally considered WP:FRINGE.is the sort of comment that will make eyes roll and admins reach for sanctions. You might as well have gone full Godwin's Law and compared the UK to Nazi Germany. An all this FOI request stuff is insinuation that is not befitting a medical article on Wikipedia. Save it for a blog. Stop throwing that WP:FRINGE link around too. That's for flat earth stuff, not the medical guidelines from the experts of a country of 60 million. Please go examine some other NICE guidelines, pick a non-controversial topic, like epilepsy treatment in children, say. I think you'll find that NICE routinely report that medical therapies lack evidence. This review would be quite surprising if it did otherwise.
not the medical guidelines from the experts of a country of 60 millionraises the immediate question to "who chooses the experts?" and "what country". Is the position democratically elected or by appointment? Is the subject a minority group the government is internationally known to mistreat? You repeat the point,
You cannot dismiss an entire democracy of 60 million people. It is outrageously offensive, but I am not "dismissing" an "entire democracy" as you put it, I am saying we need to consider all RS, including those saying a country's government and medical institutions have a bad track record with certain human rights. On that last note, I'm somewhat confused, are you arguing 1) that the UK Government and NHS haven't been internationally criticized for their treatment of trans people or 2) that they have but it holds absolutely no weight to the discussion?
23 million people, was it
outrageously offensivewhen I noted their track record and the fact their medical recommendations were political in that specific situation? Or is it only a problem when the UK's government is questioned? Which governmental medical organizations are OK to question as due and when? Your Friendly Neighborhood Sociologist ⚧ Ⓐ ( talk) 20:39, 19 March 2024 (UTC)
::::::::I mean, see point 1) from the second comment in this thread. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ --
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If the purpose of that sentence is to attempt to undermine a MEDRS source because it may have been written by a baddie, that’s even worse.and
NICE are specifically named on WP:MEDRS as an example of widely respected governmental and quasi-governmental health authorities. Your attempt to redefine this as WP:FRINGE is misplaced. The whole purpose of that discussion is to discredit NICE as a source for whether puberty blockers are an evidence-based effective/safe therapy. Except, outside of I'm guessing some little twitter bubble, NICE's reputation is intact, as is the UK's reputation for evidence based medicine, which is world leading. Reputation is about the long term and multiple cases. This is what matters on Wikipedia. Editors cannot come here with their own opinions about what is the right or wrong treatment for one particular medical issue, and because they think X is wrong on this one matter, claim X's reputation must be bad, because, you know, Putin. That's not how "reliable sources" works. -- Colin° Talk 14:11, 20 March 2024 (UTC)
thus discredit anything anyone in the UKwhere am I doing this????? A government != every british person... When I said the Florida medical board was politically appointed, was I criticizing a government and it's institutions or literally ever Floridian????
yes, they fully support "inclusion" of the NICE review, relegated to the criticism section- care to strike that? I explicitly supported moving it from the criticism section days ago [4]. I didn't put it in that section, but if you want to blame me for that go ahead I guess...
as is the UK's reputation for evidence based medicineexcept in trans healthcare, an internationally recognized problem...
Editors cannot come here with their own opinions about what is the right or wrong treatment for one particular medical issue,... You do realize I oppose the use of puberty blockers for trans youth in all but rare circumstances, right? But there's a difference between my own opinions and the international consensus, which supports them. One flawed review (and that's the opinion of multiple international medical organizations) doesn't change international consensus about whether puberty blockers should be used for trans youth. If I was editing by my opinion and not RS, the article would be a lot more critical of their use for trans minors.
literally all british people are unreliable on trans topics alwaysand not
we should consider the UK government's track record on trans rights and healthcare when writing about their recommendations. Your Friendly Neighborhood Sociologist ⚧ Ⓐ ( talk) 14:39, 20 March 2024 (UTC)
still relegatedThere is a separate discussion on how to include them in the lead, and I also supported including it there [6]. The criticism section was a recent addition (please, reflect on the Bipartisan nature of both me and Void agreeing it shouldn't be there), and it makes sense the UK guidelines would go in *checks notes* the section on UK guidelines. Still shadowboxing - I have pushed more for including the NICE report on that talk page than you have and you keep trying to argue I'm
deprecatingor
relegatingit...
It is also becoming increasingly difficult for individuals and organisations to publicly affirm young trans people without being subject to hostility and disproportionate questioning from wider society,
[the GC campaign] has been instrumental in creating a situation in which legal gender recognition processes still require a clinical diagnosis of gender dysphoria, and remain inaccessible to non-binary people and anyone under 18.,
There is also a concerning, growing account of parents who (due to difficulties in accessing timely public health care) pursue private health care on behalf of their child, being investigated by State authorities.,
Trans healthcare is also being erroneously portrayed as a form of LGB conversion therapy. The TLDR, the UK is not respecting the rights of transgender youth, making it difficult for them to access timely care and investigating those who get it through other means, and making ridiculous statements about trans healthcare. It also calls on member states to protect
legal gender recognition, the bodily integrity of intersex people, the protection of rainbow families, access to trans-specific healthcare
clinical guidelines of a major liberal democracy are tarnished by xenophobic commentsThey haven't actually released clinical guidelines. As a friend, I'm telling you you're shadowboxing a point I never made:
The idea that we might deprecate NICE. I support inclusion of the report (and, it is a single review that was criticized by leading health organizations for ignoring relevant evidence, not an official guideline as you keep referring to it as). Questioning its weight in relation to other sources does not mean I am calling for removing it from the article, much less
deprecatingit.
can we include "a FOI request was denied". It was never
should we include the NICE reportbecause nobody is arguing we shouldn't. You've now left multiple comments on my talk page about the NICE report, and not the actual thing that thread was discussing (the FOI request).
you'll see other European nations have taken similar approaches.Please point me to the other European country saying RCTs are needed for puberty blockers? Only the UK has called for those, which is silly as even every other study in their report explicitly noted how unethical and infeasible those are. I actually had to spent a fair bit of time fixing up the PB article because it was full of misinformation portraying countries as banning care when they hadn't and their national medical organizations fully endorse it. The U.K.s treatment of transgender people continues to be a medical outlier internationally.
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A view that puberty blockers lack [GRADE high-quality evidence] and should be treated with varying degrees of caution is "typical"everywhere. WPATH says the same. Nobody denies that more research is needed. Nobody denies we're basing it on observational studies instead of the normally more rigourous RCTs. But only the UK is calling for RCTs.
How to resolve that problem is a matter for clever people, not Wikipedian's or twitterati- And those clever people, such as those the NICE report reviewed, WPATH, EPATH, etc, have said
the way you're proposing to do it is highly unethical. Only the UK has proposed the problem be resolved that way. RCTs are not unethical according to my opinion as a wikipedian, it's scientific consensus from decades of research into the topic (and, notably, they are even considered unethical for precocious puberty). Your Friendly Neighborhood Sociologist ⚧ Ⓐ ( talk) 14:49, 20 March 2024 (UTC)
using modified GRADE, they did not use all available evidence, just some of it, placing a premium on an unethical type of evidence (RCTs).
The healthcare approach of an entire liberal democratic stable country cannot possibly be FRINGE.- And yet, in the case of Florida,
The healthcare approach of an entire liberal democratic stable state of 23 millioncan be WP:FRINGE. The GOP plan is to federally ban trans healthcare in 2025 on this side of the pond, and when they do, it'll still be medically FRINGE. Many liberal democracies require trans people be sterilized to change their ID, this is considered FRINGE from an international human rights and medical consensus. Nowhere, in all of WP:MEDRS, does it say
a healthcare approachstops being FRINGE as long as 1 country endorses it. Your Friendly Neighborhood Sociologist ⚧ Ⓐ ( talk) 16:01, 20 March 2024 (UTC)
as badas each other (and I regret it coming off that way), because the UK is certainly far ahead of Russia in terms of LGBT treatment. It was to highlight that we can and do take political situations into account all the time when weighing medical organizations by pointing to an obvious, if extreme, example. Your Friendly Neighborhood Sociologist ⚧ Ⓐ ( talk) 19:26, 20 March 2024 (UTC)
@ Mathglot I've had a fair bit of time to work on Template:Regional articles in the last few days. I got the notes handled (doc's updated to match)! But, I'm now stuck on a bug I was hoping you could help me with regarding languages (hence the name of this section lol).
If you check out Template:Regional articles, you can see that there's a Template loop error where the languages should be. What this should look like is at Template:Regional articles/row. Template:Article info uses a Template:for nowiki loop (through Template:For loop delimited) to generate the language links ( Template:Regional articles/row/col passes the default languages per region as I defined in Template:Regional articles/config). However, this is giving a template loop error as the Regional articles template uses a for nowiki loop to generate the rows for each region. I think there should be a way to get nested for loops working, but idk where to start, I spent a few hours trying to fix it last night without any luck. Any thoughts? (question also open to talk page stalkers good with templating) Your Friendly Neighborhood Sociologist ⚧ Ⓐ ( talk) 13:27, 20 March 2024 (UTC)
|region_list=Argentina
) but already had it in the back of my mind to suggest exactly what you just did, namely, clone the repeatedly called template. I'd add some kind of note that it should be kept in sync with the original (although, maybe it doesn't have to be, if the cloned piece does what you want, and you don't care about whatever changes happen to the original?). Anyway, glad you managed to fix it!
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talk) 22:43, 20 March 2024 (UTC)Just wanted to say I've been browsing through the talk pages of a lot of transgender related pages and have seen you're name come up a lot. Your comments seem to always be useful and insightful. Having seen what you had to go through with the ban I wanted you to know I admire your fortitude and resilience as well as your dedication to making sure that Wikipedia pages accurately represent anti-trans groups and individuals. Your presence on Wikipedia has truly bettered my life. LunaHasArrived ( talk) 16:25, 21 March 2024 (UTC)
You've been trouted! After making some changes to {{ Translation request}} some weeks back and discovering that substing was broken due to upstream unsubsted template {{ Sitelink}}, I hesitated to change Sitelink because I had never worked on it and only recently seen it for the first time. Eventually, after waiting a while, I did make some changes to subst-protect it so the {{ Translation request}} would work properly substed, and all looked good. At least, for a while.
Today, I made some changes to {{ Dual fluency}}, and once again, there was a subst problem traceable to {{ Sitelink}}. It looked like I had missed subst-protecting one #if statement, so I went ahead and fixed that one, too, feeling rather abashed that I had missed one last time around, thinking I had tested it properly the first time, but apparently not. Upon further reflection, wondering how that one had snuck through, I had another look at {{ Sitelink}} again. Turns out, my earlier update to add subst-protection was good, but another editor came along afterward and made an update to the code to add a new parameter, 'shortlinked', and neglected to subst-protect it. My subsequent edit and "Oops" comment blaming myself turns out to have been misplaced. Wh-a-a-a-c-c-c-k! You've been whacked by a wet trout! Mathglot ( talk) 08:19, 23 March 2024 (UTC)
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