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The result was redirect to List of Hazbin Hotel and Helluva Boss characters#Vaggie. Content can be merged from the history if desired. A 1:1 merger would overwhelm the target article, though. Sandstein 16:58, 2 April 2024 (UTC)
Vaggie
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This article relies mostly about her relationship to Charlie Morningstar. But, despite that, it seems like this [1] is the only good source. BEFORE, most of the sources were from the film reviews and Vaggie was just a passing mention. Fails WP:GNG. GreenishPickle! ( 🔔) 10:11, 26 March 2024 (UTC)
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Owen×
☎ 10:19, 26 March 2024 (UTC)
- Merge to character list/draftify per reasons for nom. 91.219.238.98 ( talk) 15:24, 27 March 2024 (UTC)
- Delete per WP:NOTE Royz-vi Tsibele ( talk) 14:59, 26 March 2024 (UTC)
- Delete. I saw this one coming, no in depth coverage or even a massive fan following to warrant inclusion. We aren't Fandom. ~
GoatLordServant(
Talk) 01:04, 27 March 2024 (UTC)
- I was honestly surprised when I saw 4 individual articles for Hazbin Hotel characters, as typically Wikipedia is pretty strict on these kinds of things. I think Alastor and Charlie are notable enough, but Angel Dust and Vaggie don't feel as fitting for individual articles. XanderK09 ( talk) 19:30, 1 April 2024 (UTC)
DeleteMerge to List of Hazbin Hotel and Helluva Boss characters. Unless we find more independent sources talking about Vaggie specifically and not ones depending on her relationship with Charlie, Vaggie doesn't deserve an article. -- Turtletennisfogwheat ( talk) 06:05, 28 March 2024 (UTC)- Delete -
Lionel Cristiano
? 14:43, 27 March 2024 (UTC)
- Ok, but why? Historyday01 ( talk) 04:17, 28 March 2024 (UTC)
- Merge to List of Hazbin Hotel and Helluva Boss characters per WP:TOOSOON. In the future the continued popularity of Hazbin Hotel and this character could warrant an article, but the information should be put somewhere rather than the history being purged as a full delete would do. Original Alastorian ( talk) 16:19, 27 March 2024 (UTC)
- Merge or keep Whatever happened to
WP:Alternatives to deletion? I believe the multiple sources together provide enough significant coverage to establish
WP:Notability. I agree that most coverage is about the relationship to Charlie Morningstar, i.e. applies equally to both characters. I don't see a problem in having some of the same coverage in two places on Wikipedia, based on
WP:NOTPAPER. But if that's seen as an issue, and if one wants to discount sources like ScreenRant with regard to notability, deletion still goes against the spirit of
WP:AtD, as it e.g. would remove the coverage by what also the nominator sees as a good source from Wikipedia alltogether, because what we have here is not present anywhere else yet (I think). Therefore the reception information with regard to the relationship should be merged to
Charlie Morningstar and other relevant information to
List of Hazbin Hotel and Helluva Boss characters#Vaggie.
Daranios (
talk) 16:24, 27 March 2024 (UTC)
- Merge to List of Hazbin Hotel and Helluva Boss characters#Vaggie, or keep, per Daranios. Eve Would Never ( talk) 18:53, 27 March 2024 (UTC)
- I agree completely. As such I also vote to merge to the page link that Eve Would Never suggested, or to Keep. To say that this page should be deleted is incorrect.. Those who want to delete this page are either citing weak or no arguments, or are not considering any alternatives to deletion. Like with the
Charlie Morningstar AfD (which is also faulty by the way), the OP just slapped on a notability tag on the article and nominated it for deletion, but did not seem to do the work prior to the nomination which could have addressed these concern. I hope that this AfD is withdrawn like the
Charlie Morningstar AfD. The work that users put into building this page should be respected.
Historyday01 (
talk) 12:47, 28 March 2024 (UTC)
- The difference is, unlike Charlie's article whose sources make her the subject and analyze her character traits, all of the sources in Vaggie's article mostly talk about her in regards to her relationship with Charlie. Turtletennisfogwheat ( talk) 01:35, 2 April 2024 (UTC)
- Merge with
List of Hazbin Hotel and Helluva Boss characters: As a valid
WP:ATD.
StreetcarEnjoyer
(talk) 02:51, 28 March 2024 (UTC)
I can agree with that as well, but I would also believe it can be kept, as the nom's arguments are invalid. As such I vote merge as well, but also keep per the other arguments on here.71.179.137.86 ( talk) 02:55, 28 March 2024 (UTC)
- Redirect or merge to List of Hazbin Hotel and Helluva Boss characters#Vaggie, per the article being WP:TOOSOON and the preferable vote for an WP:ATD. Spinixster (trout me!) 13:29, 30 March 2024 (UTC)
- Merge with list of hazbin/helluva characters, i don't think vaggie particularly needs a seperate article XanderK09 ( talk) 19:28, 1 April 2024 (UTC)
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The result was redirect to List of Hazbin Hotel and Helluva Boss characters#Vaggie. Content can be merged from the history if desired. A 1:1 merger would overwhelm the target article, though. Sandstein 16:58, 2 April 2024 (UTC)
Vaggie
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This article relies mostly about her relationship to Charlie Morningstar. But, despite that, it seems like this [1] is the only good source. BEFORE, most of the sources were from the film reviews and Vaggie was just a passing mention. Fails WP:GNG. GreenishPickle! ( 🔔) 10:11, 26 March 2024 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the
deletion sorting lists for the following topics:
Fictional elements and
Comics and animation.
Owen×
☎ 10:19, 26 March 2024 (UTC)
- Merge to character list/draftify per reasons for nom. 91.219.238.98 ( talk) 15:24, 27 March 2024 (UTC)
- Delete per WP:NOTE Royz-vi Tsibele ( talk) 14:59, 26 March 2024 (UTC)
- Delete. I saw this one coming, no in depth coverage or even a massive fan following to warrant inclusion. We aren't Fandom. ~
GoatLordServant(
Talk) 01:04, 27 March 2024 (UTC)
- I was honestly surprised when I saw 4 individual articles for Hazbin Hotel characters, as typically Wikipedia is pretty strict on these kinds of things. I think Alastor and Charlie are notable enough, but Angel Dust and Vaggie don't feel as fitting for individual articles. XanderK09 ( talk) 19:30, 1 April 2024 (UTC)
DeleteMerge to List of Hazbin Hotel and Helluva Boss characters. Unless we find more independent sources talking about Vaggie specifically and not ones depending on her relationship with Charlie, Vaggie doesn't deserve an article. -- Turtletennisfogwheat ( talk) 06:05, 28 March 2024 (UTC)- Delete -
Lionel Cristiano
? 14:43, 27 March 2024 (UTC)
- Ok, but why? Historyday01 ( talk) 04:17, 28 March 2024 (UTC)
- Merge to List of Hazbin Hotel and Helluva Boss characters per WP:TOOSOON. In the future the continued popularity of Hazbin Hotel and this character could warrant an article, but the information should be put somewhere rather than the history being purged as a full delete would do. Original Alastorian ( talk) 16:19, 27 March 2024 (UTC)
- Merge or keep Whatever happened to
WP:Alternatives to deletion? I believe the multiple sources together provide enough significant coverage to establish
WP:Notability. I agree that most coverage is about the relationship to Charlie Morningstar, i.e. applies equally to both characters. I don't see a problem in having some of the same coverage in two places on Wikipedia, based on
WP:NOTPAPER. But if that's seen as an issue, and if one wants to discount sources like ScreenRant with regard to notability, deletion still goes against the spirit of
WP:AtD, as it e.g. would remove the coverage by what also the nominator sees as a good source from Wikipedia alltogether, because what we have here is not present anywhere else yet (I think). Therefore the reception information with regard to the relationship should be merged to
Charlie Morningstar and other relevant information to
List of Hazbin Hotel and Helluva Boss characters#Vaggie.
Daranios (
talk) 16:24, 27 March 2024 (UTC)
- Merge to List of Hazbin Hotel and Helluva Boss characters#Vaggie, or keep, per Daranios. Eve Would Never ( talk) 18:53, 27 March 2024 (UTC)
- I agree completely. As such I also vote to merge to the page link that Eve Would Never suggested, or to Keep. To say that this page should be deleted is incorrect.. Those who want to delete this page are either citing weak or no arguments, or are not considering any alternatives to deletion. Like with the
Charlie Morningstar AfD (which is also faulty by the way), the OP just slapped on a notability tag on the article and nominated it for deletion, but did not seem to do the work prior to the nomination which could have addressed these concern. I hope that this AfD is withdrawn like the
Charlie Morningstar AfD. The work that users put into building this page should be respected.
Historyday01 (
talk) 12:47, 28 March 2024 (UTC)
- The difference is, unlike Charlie's article whose sources make her the subject and analyze her character traits, all of the sources in Vaggie's article mostly talk about her in regards to her relationship with Charlie. Turtletennisfogwheat ( talk) 01:35, 2 April 2024 (UTC)
- Merge with
List of Hazbin Hotel and Helluva Boss characters: As a valid
WP:ATD.
StreetcarEnjoyer
(talk) 02:51, 28 March 2024 (UTC)
I can agree with that as well, but I would also believe it can be kept, as the nom's arguments are invalid. As such I vote merge as well, but also keep per the other arguments on here.71.179.137.86 ( talk) 02:55, 28 March 2024 (UTC)
- Redirect or merge to List of Hazbin Hotel and Helluva Boss characters#Vaggie, per the article being WP:TOOSOON and the preferable vote for an WP:ATD. Spinixster (trout me!) 13:29, 30 March 2024 (UTC)
- Merge with list of hazbin/helluva characters, i don't think vaggie particularly needs a seperate article XanderK09 ( talk) 19:28, 1 April 2024 (UTC)
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