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When should we delete stubs?There's a lot of them. DC Comics has at least 637 stub articles, Marvel Comics has 820 or so and so on and so on. WE should depopulate the stub articles. Brian Boru is awesome 01:08, 5 October 2006 (UTC)
And it seems when I delete a stub from the 200 category it still says 200 not 199 or something. Also is it just stub articles, or they should be at least like Captain America, Spider-Man, Superman, Batman articles for them to be considered not stubs anymore? Brian Boru is awesome 14:02, 5 October 2006 (UTC)
A stub is thought to be anything of a paragraph or less. The category issue is a bit of a bug, if there are more than 200 it will display 200, 200 is the highest it can count to, from what I remember. Hiding Talk 15:10, 5 October 2006 (UTC)
So five sentences is a stub? Brian Boru is awesome 16:00, 5 October 2006 (UTC)
Would you guys please take a look at my recent edits in Nuklon and compare it with User:Netkinetic's? Then take a look at his recent edits regarding categories. — Lesfer (t/ c/ @) 02:27, 5 October 2006 (UTC)
And I have promptly reverted them all. Never disrupt WP to prove a point. — Lesfer (t/ c/ @) 13:37, 5 October 2006 (UTC)
Chris hit the point, I agree with him. I'm cool with the way it looks right now. What could be done about it, though: Renaming articles. Instead of "Carter Hall (comics)" model, we could follow "Starman (Ted Knight)" model. Just an idea, I don't even know if I agree with it myself (lol). But I do know this won't work for characters like Albert Rothstein — Lesfer (t/ c/ @) 14:20, 5 October 2006 (UTC)
If people are going to edit war on this issue there are going to be an awful lot of protected pages about. I'm now thinking we delete these categories as well and listify. If we can't accept that the issues need to be dealt with case by case and through discussion and consensus, then perhaps it's better to represent the issues through a list. I might remind people that our categorisation guidance notes Unless it is self-evident and uncontroversial that something belongs in a category, it should not be put into a category. Now if we are here discussing an issue and people dispute that certain articles should be categorised in a certain manner, I'd say that constitutes a controversial categorisation and such a categorisation should not be implemented until the discussion is through. Hiding Talk 18:55, 6 October 2006 (UTC)
Well, I suggested a
straw poll in order to determine consensus but I got no response about it. As I told before, majority decides. And this is exactly what is happening in cfd.
Anyway, if the deletion proposal fails I suggest we fit cats in redirects such as "Nuklon (Al Rothstein)", "Skyman (Sylvester Pemberton)" and "Green Lantern (Hal Jordan)" in order to solve the issue. —
Lesfer
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Something needs to be done about User talk:CrystalB4. This user keeps reverting the SHB on the Hyperion page, as well as deleted info on superman's regeneration even when I provided a source. Please help me in resolving this matter. T-1000 04:06, 5 October 2006 (UTC)
I just spent the past half hour trying to read a Wizard magazine (#181), and the more I read, the less reliable I realize it is. After having a subscription for several years, I gave up on it about six years back, and I check in every once in a while to see if they have hired writers or editors yet. Wizard is mostly embellished press releases and speculation. When they do report on something, they get it wrong. They say the new Art Assylum has the "first-ever batch" of DC Mini-Mates figures coming out soon, despite the two series of DC Mini-Mates already released. Additionally, when they finally got around to mentioning Mad in the EC Comics article, they repeated the urban legend that the comic became a magazine because of the comics code. Any use of Wizard as a source really needs to be double-checked because there are times that Wizard presents subjects in a way that is unclear to the reader how true or factual the basis is. For instance, the Brothers in Arms feature, about a possible Brotherhood of Evil Mutants team that Wizard made up has no basis in anything, and they re-designed a couple costumes and re-named Jamie Madrox. Another feature takes two pages to evaluate which of nine X-Men are on which side of the Superhuman Registration Act debate (against, except for Bishop), but it's pure speculation with an assistant editor from Marvel who does not actually participate in the writing of the relevent series. Just be careful with this fan-zine. -- Chris Griswold ( ☎ ☓) 14:07, 5 October 2006 (UTC)
Comic book resources, comics continuum, and comic bloc. with Geoff Johns forum there at comic bloc. Well Wizarduniverse.com is doing pretty good with 52, though it's like the wikipedia article. Brian Boru is awesome 22:40, 6 October 2006 (UTC)
Also look up www.spider-bob.com they have, under news resources various comic book news and other stuff as well. Brian Boru is awesome 23:04, 6 October 2006 (UTC)
Wizard absolutely blows as an objective news source; I don't think anyone disagrees with that. However, it's essential for its interviews and sales charts. Just use your best judgement on what to cite, and of course, if you find a more reliable source, go with that instead. WesleyDodds 23:55, 6 October 2006 (UTC)
Yeah, but have you ever gone to a Wizard Convention? Brian Boru is awesome 15:02, 7 October 2006 (UTC)
Somebody want to write up a guideline for this? CovenantD 02:48, 9 October 2006 (UTC)
The category is not a comics category but it is too big now. Would it be a good idea to subcategorise it by Category:DC Comics characters with telekinesis and Category:Marvel Comics characters with telekinesis? It would take a large load off the page and wouldn't damage the purpose of the category to keep the Jean Greys away from the Prue Halliwells. And if anyone agrees with me, would someone care to help in moving characters over? ~ Zythe Talk to me! 15:25, 5 October 2006 (UTC)
The problem is a confusion between a simple power to move an object with your mind, and the fact that that power has been expanded so that you can potentially manipulate/move any particulate matter, and possibly even energy. Nearly every power on List of comic book superpowers can now be duplicated telekinetically. It's become a category that will be hard to define, and may be hard to maintain, even if we restrict it to those who can simply move visible objects (rather than matter and energy). I hesitate to delete, since simple TK is a definable power, but it's a power that nearly every comic book character may now claim to have in one way or other (and through the nuveau tactile telekinesis, even Superman is a telekinetic). Perhaps as an umbrella category, but I think it will end up duplicating category:Fictional characters by superhuman power. - jc37 17:08, 5 October 2006 (UTC)
Fictional characters by power is a fannish, lame way of categorizing things, though, and ultimately runs into problems with the fluid, inconsistent, often nonsensical way that superpowers are described. The fact that Fictional characters by telekinesis is running into problems is a symptom of this systemic problem, and I think the only cure is to scrap the lot. - A Man In Bl♟ck ( conspire | past ops) 17:28, 5 October 2006 (UTC)
The other powers aside for a moment, do we have a concensus to listify characters with telekinesis powers? And I'd like to ask that we do the same with characters with magical powers, as well. - jc37 19:49, 5 October 2006 (UTC)
Thought this might be a good place to point it out: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/711_%28Quality_Comics%29
Good news is that most of the votes are for keep, but others may have something to add. Curiousbadger 14:49, 6 October 2006 (UTC)
The more categories an article belongs to, the less meaningful any of them become. I just looked at Magneto and saw it belongs to thirty categories (for reference, even George W. Bush has fewer than that). I think this is a good moment to start thinking about listifying several of them. For instance, "members of <group>" would be better off as a list, because many characters have changed groups over the time of a story arc. Categories: Articles to be expanded | Wikipedia articles needing their fiction made clear | Articles with unsourced statements | Acolytes members | Brotherhood of Mutants members | Depowered mutants | Excalibur members | Fictional characters who are opposed to humanity | Fictional megalomaniacs | Fictional geniuses | Fictional characters with the power to manipulate magnetic fields | Fictional orphans | Fictional scientists | Fictional terrorists | Fictional widows and widowers | Computer and video game bosses | Hellfire Club members | Jewish comic book characters | Marvel Comics mutants | Marvel Comics titles | Marvel Legends | Marvel vs. Series characters | Marvel Comics characters who can fly | New Mutants and X-Force members | Polish superheroes | Spider-Man villains | Ultimate Marvel | X-Men members | X-Men villains | 1963 introductions
>Radiant< 20:24, 6 October 2006 (UTC)
As for teams, I think that the discussion about team navboxes (unfortunately) applies to categories too (sigh). As stated above, the teams need citations (when, and underwhat circumstances was a member, a member?). I'd offer to tag them, but I still haven't heard of any offers help to help merge the Elemental category yet, which means I'm going to have to spend a fair amount of time slogging through it myself : ( - jc37 02:11, 7 October 2006 (UTC)
Another article with too many categories: Sabretooth (comics). Currently he has 23 categories. Something really should be done about this problem, too many categories is just clutter and doesn't help the article a whole lot. RobJ1981 19:06, 8 October 2006 (UTC)
This category is currently a dumping ground for every article on a Marvel Comics character who has ever appeared in an Ultimates comic, as opposed to articles that are specifically about Ultimate fictional subjects. Should this continue? I say nay, let us pruneth this insolent category to focus only on articles that are specifically on topic, like Ultimate Spider-Man or Ultimates. There is already a List of Ultimate Marvel characters. Postdlf 18:54, 8 October 2006 (UTC)
Yet another category excess that just lumps in articles on every Marvel character who has an action figure in this toy line. Few, if any of these articles have sections on character merchandise, so the category tag "Marvel Legends" just appears at the bottom without context or explanation. Once again, the Marvel Legends article has a complete list already. I'd like to CFD this: any complaints? Postdlf 19:28, 8 October 2006 (UTC)
Please see CFD here for Category:Marvel Legends and the similar Category:Spider-Man Classics. Postdlf 22:07, 8 October 2006 (UTC)
Here's one we need to discuss rather than let random deletionists or inclusionists who don't know comics decide for us: Category: Comic Book Movie actors Doczilla 00:48, 9 October 2006 (UTC)
..needs work. I have nominated it for the next month's collab. Wikipedia:WikiProject Comics/Collab/Peanuts - Mike | trick or treat 22:09, 8 October 2006 (UTC)
Those dreadful photos of the 3-D plastic Peanuts characters at Universal Studios Japan should be removed. We don't gain anything by using them, because a fair use claim is still needed for the copyrighted works depicted in the photographs. We should just use comics panels or screenshots where needed. Postdlf 01:13, 9 October 2006 (UTC)
In case anyone didn't know, there's a CfD up for DC Comics group members. [1]. No matter which way you'd vote, I think it's important that this gets decided by WikiProjects Comics members and not by whoever just happens to go through the CfD lists for the fun of it. (Now, if you'll excuse, I'm about to go through the CfD lists for the fun of it.) Wryspy 16:45, 9 October 2006 (UTC)
I've just added an image requests section to the task template above. Lemme have 'em. I like searching for this stuff, and I am sure other people do as well. -- Chris Griswold ( ☎ ☓) 21:41, 9 October 2006 (UTC)
Wasn't there a concensus here about not using the term "Golden Age"? Now there's Category:Golden Age superheroes. -- Chris Griswold ( ☎ ☓) 03:31, 10 October 2006 (UTC)
So, just in case, how should I call golden age heroes? Is golden age not ok? How else can they be called?-- 201 04:56, 10 October 2006 (UTC)
And no, 201, Golden Age heroes would not be okay. There are other kinds of Golden Ages. There were heroes in the Golden Age of mythology. Doczilla 06:48, 10 October 2006 (UTC)
I've just put up a bunch of "So-and-so" television series categories up for deletion, including Wonder Woman, Flash, Teen Titans, Justice League, Aquaman, and Green Lantern. I don't think that any of them are large enough or distinct enough from the parent, Category:Television programs based on DC Comics, to justify their own subcat. Let your opinions be known at Wikipedia:Categories for deletion/Log/2006 October 10. CovenantD 22:42, 10 October 2006 (UTC)
Is this category really needed? There certainly is no category for superheroes with costumes (for good reason: it would be too long, and it's just obvious they wear costumes). Heroes without costumes isn't a common thing, but I don't think this category is notable. I'm going to put CFD on it pretty soon, if no one objects. RobJ1981 04:17, 11 October 2006 (UTC)
Good lord, no! And frankly, using the term "costume" invokes POV. If somebody wears the same coat all the time, doesn't that become his or her costume? Did Jubilee wear a costume or not? The costumed heroes sometimes do heroics without wearing costumes, and those who don't normally wear costumes have sometimes worn disguises or even costumes. In one of his earliest appearances, Dr. Occult wore a costume before Superman ever did. Doczilla 04:54, 11 October 2006 (UTC)
I can't figure out if we discussed this at all and now Netkinetic is moving them (I noticed Nightwing (Dick Grayson) first). IMO, a massive change like this has the potential for pretty huge ramifications, since we have a ton of pages like 'Hal Jordan' out there, for all the multiple heroes with one 'code name'. So even though this isn't my idea, I'm putting it out here for everyone to discuss, since I do agree that we need some kind of standard, no matter what it is. -- Ipstenu ( talk| contribs) 13:15, 11 October 2006 (UTC)
No offense but the way the article looks like now is weird.Too much articles!!! Brian Boru is awesome 16:21, 11 October 2006 (UTC)
I think that the following process takes place, or at least used to:
Would I be right? -- Jamdav86 16:56, 11 October 2006 (UTC)
Besides the articles now look worse than they do before!!! Brian Boru is awesome 17:13, 11 October 2006 (UTC)
What do you think we should split WikiProject Comics into some others like DC Project and Marvel Project?To ease up on the articles to make it more accesscible to other users?There's wikiproject superman. Why not with the others?Just an idea. Brian Boru is awesome 17:20, 11 October 2006 (UTC)
[2] You didn't know that?Well there's the link.Thoughts? Brian Boru is awesome 17:37, 11 October 2006 (UTC)
I think the naming issues are endemic of a larger promblem: tendency of fans to split pages to emphasize all the incarnations of the characters. Sure, someone like Hal Jordan simply cannot be discussed in the confines of the Green Lantern article. But many of these successor characters are simply that: variations on the same core character/concept. Usually separate article become mere repositories for fictional biography, which can veer quickly into fancruft, and infoboxes that in many cases are longer than the prose itself. I myself would emphasize merging over splitting. Fictional biographies should be downplayed in deference to the character's real world notability. I'm sure anyone can fill a 15kb page about Jaime Reyes' recent stories, but from a real-world perspective, what else is there to say beyond "Jaime Reyes is the new incarnation of Blue Beetle introduced in the Infinite Crisis miniseries and now stars in the current Blue Beetle title"? And all that can go on the Blue Beetle page. WesleyDodds 19:37, 11 October 2006 (UTC)
To unify the discussions, I might suggest that we move the discussion(s) at User talk:Netkinetic to this page, since similar things are being discussed there, as well. - jc37 18:15, 11 October 2006 (UTC)
Really. I can't understand these splits:
Aren't these supposed to be simply within Superman, Batman, Aquaman and Green Arrow? — Lesfer (t/ c/ @) 23:41, 11 October 2006 (UTC)
No, no, no, no, no! These splits only add to confusion. "Ollie Queen" is not even accurate. Ollie is a nickname, for crying out loud. He is frequently called Oliver. Having both Aquamen in the same article, both Batmen in the same, and both Green Arrows in the same will explain the difference better for people who don't already know what the damn difference is. This kind of thing will confuse others. Doczilla 00:03, 12 October 2006 (UTC)
I just realized that I added to the confusion by moving Wally West (Flash) (one of NetK's moves) to Flash (Wally West) when it should have been moved back to Wally West, since he's had more than one code name. Can an admin take care of this? Thanks! CovenantD 00:31, 12 October 2006 (UTC)
The articles in question have been tagged for speedy delete by myself. I did not anticipate the reaction creating new character articles would receive, for had I then I would not have introduced these articles to begin with. My apologies for any concern this may have caused, and all I can state in my defense is I honestly felt each of these characters was separate and distinct, each deserving of their own article. I still do. That said, consensensus says otherwise, and I will abide. For those of you who addressed me in a cordial manner, I thank them and hope that they will see my long list of contributions on the whole as that of a balanced contributor. I was WP:BOLD although this was only due to my appreciation for this artform and my desire to represent it in the manner I felt reflected how the industry itself had in such reference works as Who's Who and the like. Thank you for your time. NetK 00:35, 12 October 2006 (UTC)
I'm about to hit three reverts of User:205.176.22.232's edits to Wonder Woman, prepending 'vast' to her superhuman strength. Can someone else lend a hand? I already asked 205.176.22.232 to please stop on their talk page. -- Ipstenu ( talk| contribs) 19:07, 11 October 2006 (UTC)
A note on the top of the cat says: Articles about teenagers and sometimes young adults who have starred in their own comic book series. The category is a little broad, so either a split should happen (into Teen comic characters, teen comic titles, etc) or just remove the category altogether. Is there an adult comic cat? If there isn't, I don't think this cat really needs to exist. Also, I don't think all of the articles listed have their own titles (like the category note suggests). Plus, if you take X-Men for example... that's not completely a teen book. Characters like Professor X and Wolverine certainly aren't teenagers or young adults. If a book contains adults and teens, I don't think it really qualifies to fall under a teen category. That's just misleading. RobJ1981 20:36, 11 October 2006 (UTC)
201.239.238.20 ( talk · contribs) is adding/re-adding categories like Marvel Comics characters with superhuman speed. What was decided about these categories? -- Chris Griswold ( ☎ ☓) 23:28, 11 October 2006 (UTC)
I'm sure this will be of interest to some people here... Category talk:Marvel Comics cosmic entities CovenantD 01:12, 12 October 2006 (UTC)
An idea I've raised on Talk:Aquaman in regards to this whole renaming debacle is to create an "Earth-Two" article, which would serve as a great way to cover this area of DC lore instead of making long separate character biographies. Right now the term simply redirects to an article about DC's multiple earths, but I feel the topic has enough notability and relevance ot be its own article. I do have concerns about such a page devolving into fancruft, which is why I ask that if such a page is started that it be an active collaboration between members of the Wikiproject.
My ideas for structure are as follows. The lead section identifies Earth-Two as an alternate reality that has appeared in DC Comics. It first appeared in Flash #123 in order to to team up two versions of the flash. Subseuquent team-ups between different versions of the same character occured, with variations of other heroes being created to fill out this world. DC eventually published a number of titles that dealt with Earth-Two exclusively (All-Star Squadron, Infinity Inc.), and its success also lead to other alternate earths to emerge. Earth-Two was eliminated by Crisis on Infinite Earths and the Earth-Two titles had to adjust to the changes. Earth-Two characters have appeared since then, either integrated into the main DC universe (JSA) or existing outside of it or as anomalies as plot points in stories (Power Girl, Psycho-Pirate in Animal Man, Kal-L). The articles would discuss the history of Earth-Two from a real-wold publication point of view; Gardner Fox's original idea and DC building on the idea would be the focal points to remember. We discuss the earth-two titles, Crisis, and Infinite Crisis, then a section about the variations created for characters who didn't disappear during the Golden Age (and not people like Alan Scott or Jay Garrick; that would be redundant with their articles since they are entirely different characters from Hal Jordan and Barry Allen, unlike the Earth 1 and 2 versions of Superman) and a section about new characters (Power Girl, Huntress, Infinity Inc.) Then maybe something characters who crossed over, like Ultra-Humanite, Spectre, and Solomon Grundy. Above all we should avoid constructing a history of Earth-2, otherwise the article becomes inward-looking and focuses on the fiction itself. We'd need listings of Earth-Two titles and miniseries, as well as references and citations from the creators about the topic (Gardner Fox and Roy Thomas would be particularly relevant).
Thoughts? WesleyDodds 04:15, 12 October 2006 (UTC)
Another discussion that might interest some of the members of this project... WT:NOT#Plot_summaries_part_3. CovenantD 08:09, 12 October 2006 (UTC)
- Strong agreement on addition of "Wikipedia is not a fan site." In the Comics Project, certainly, there is a tendency among some editors to treat their favorite characters' articles as their own personal fan sites, with overly detailed, issue-by-issue plot synopses, rumors, breaking news that may or may not be encyclopedic ("So-and-so appears on the cover of the next issue!" Seriously, that's a real one.), and lots of original research speculation/analysis/conclusion. While various of these can be deleted on things like WP:POV, etc., an overall "this is not a fan site" dictum would streamline and simplify matters, and save time and effort.
Discussion like that always worry me. - Lex 14:01, 13 October 2006 (UTC)
“ | This is the heart of this wiki. The storyline is a quick summary of what has happened in this title for the last few months, up until the last issue. Do NOT include storyline information on the issue currently on the stands.
For the most recent six issues, the storyline information should be detailed enough that a new reader picking up the book for the first time will be able to follow the story, but not so detailed as to violate fair use. Summaries for each issue should be no longer than a short paragraph. For older issues, storyline information can be combined into a "what came before" archive. These can be as long as needed to give the history of a title or the main characters of the title. Just keep in mind that you are trying to inform your readers, not bore them to death. |
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Looks like a great idea. Any efficient way to transfer them across, or do we just cut-'n'-paste? -- Jamdav86 18:36, 13 October 2006 (UTC)
Also [4] or [5] for the plot summaries. I like the plot summaries anyway. We should transfer it there. They need it more than we do.They need way more articles than we do.Look at main page. Brian Boru is awesome 16:51, 14 October 2006 (UTC)
I agree with the idea of this current plot summary discussion. I also think that we need to seriously pair down the plot summaries I see in comics articles. I have several articles on my to-do list where that is my main goal. So in that, I agree. But my concern is that this will lead to a mass culling of comics-related articles. Instead of fixing the summaries, I'm worried that some editors will see this as an excuse to delete a huge number of articles. I'd rather not see that happen. My hope is that editors will first work at fixing existing articles before deleting them. - Lex 19:52, 13 October 2006 (UTC)
This category is in sad shape. There appears to be a lot of vandalism from User:198.189.198.2 dating back to Dec 15, 2005. Betty White? Tallulah Bankhead? Please...
Also, many of the actors who portrayed specific roles, e.g. Danny DeVito as the Penguin, have suffered because subcats were deleted instead of merged. I haven't looked yet, but I suspect that the Superman-related actors have also been unceremoniously dumped as well. CovenantD 18:55, 12 October 2006 (UTC)
All right, I created Batman (TV): Guest appearances and episodes earlier. The Batman (TV series) article was too long and needed that split off anyway. Simple enough. I've now played around with some different approaches to how to categorize or list Batman actors in order to avoid a puzzling mess like Category:Batman actors. I've created the bare bones for some possible alternatives:
Before I put any more time into fleshing these out, I'd like some feedback as to which way to go. There needs to be only one list -- or maybe an umbrella category that links the lists, but that actually has some problems. I'm not committed to any or all of these. The work I put into any can easily be translated into something. I'm not worried about what to title the list at the moment, just how people would like to see it formatted. It won't hurt my feelings for anybody to say they all suck, but what will work? What's preferred? Doczilla 07:31, 13 October 2006 (UTC)
Would an admin please rename this to Citadel (comics) in keeping with naming conventions? The creator moved it around so much that I, a mere editor, can't correct it. CovenantD 19:27, 12 October 2006 (UTC)
A lot of the articles for the characters from VfV have more information on the movie version than the book version ( Peter Creedy, Gordon Deitrich, Roger Dascombe, Anthony James Lilliman). Would anyone mind cleaning it up, and if both versions of the character are similiar, merging them together? -- DrBat 22:12, 12 October 2006 (UTC)
Add {{ Reqimagecomics}} to an article's talk page to request an image for the article. Add a piped argument to specify the type of image needed: {{Reqimagecomics|Magneto punching a face}}. The template puts the talk page in Category:Wikipedia requested images-comics. Editors should patrol this category to see what images are needed. -- Chris Griswold ( ☎ ☓) 18:31, 13 October 2006 (UTC)
I just re-worked the resources section on the project page. Please take a look and see what needs to be changed. We should also start taking a look at our project subpages and see how we can update them. Finally, any suggestions for promoting the Comics Cleanup subproject or the notice board? Thanks, Chris Griswold ( ☎ ☓) 19:59, 13 October 2006 (UTC)
It's rather disappointing that these were created without any discussion after all of the debate about the last versions. CovenantD 03:27, 15 October 2006 (UTC)
I'd like to work to reduce the footprints of {{ Superman}} and {{ Batman}}. They are both much larger than they need to be. Who's with me? -- Chris Griswold ( ☎ ☓) 19:33, 16 October 2006 (UTC)
I want to write a short piece about Dolman (another of the Dredd clones), we have not seen enough of him for an article of his own but it would be nice to be complete when discussing the Bloodline - where can I stick a couple of paragraphs on this character? -- Charlesknight 20:10, 15 October 2006 (UTC)
Can we cite the Marvel Handbooks or DC Who's Who info that is not statistics? Thoughts? -- Chris Griswold ( ☎ ☓) 21:52, 15 October 2006 (UTC)
We have discussed articleas about characters and series; can we now find the concensus on how to handle articles about crossovers?
I think that one-shots and mini-series that are derived from, and wholly dependent upon crossovers should be a part of the article covering the main crossover, barring the normal conditions for splitting articles given on WP:CMC/EG. For instance, Civil War (comics) should contain the information in Civil War Files and Civil War: Choosing Sides. Please give your opinion. -- Chris Griswold ( ☎ ☓) 22:18, 15 October 2006 (UTC)
I've added Rodolphe Topffer, William Hogarth and A Harlot's Progress to the Wikiproject, but I'm not sure if these count as comics. (Surely as sequential art?) And what about Lynd Ward, Frans Masereel and Max Ernst's A Week of Kindness? Brutannica 04:24, 16 October 2006 (UTC)
Per our naming conventions, shouldn't this be at Stature (comics)? After all, Stinger was only an MC2 codename. CovenantD 01:05, 17 October 2006 (UTC)
Someone (Chris? Psy?) should go comment on this thread on ANI. It's a mess. - A Man In Bl♟ck ( conspire | past ops) 04:36, 17 October 2006 (UTC)
Can I get some help patrolling Tarantula (Marvel Comics)? I'm in a revert war with some unregistered users who keep adding speculation/independent analysis as to the identity of Ultimate Tarantula. I have cited the policy backing up my removal of this information in most edit summaries (of the original edit and the reverts), posted something to one unregistered talk pages, and the article's talk page but still I'm in this revert war. Anything other than policing/patrolling that can be done, or can anyone help me do that? At what point, if any, would this repetitive reverting become vandalism. My hands are near tied because of the Three-revert rule. -- Newt Ψ Φ 15:54, 17 October 2006 (UTC)
Can anyone point me toward information on the designing of the characters in the Wildstorm Comics series Wildsiderz on the actors in the film Airborne? I read about it a few years ago when the comic was in its early stages, but I can't fins a reference to it now. Thanks, Chris Griswold ( ☎ ☓) 19:48, 17 October 2006 (UTC)
Category:DC Comics superhero teams
There are only two subcats there now. Was it really neccessary to commit category genocide like that? I found them useful.-- Kross Talk 22:28, 17 October 2006 (UTC)
Please let us know here if anyone takes the CFD to Wikipedia:Deletion review; just don't repost them without going through that process first. Postdlf 15:57, 18 October 2006 (UTC)
This is somewhat related, in that it was just deleted when the super-teams were deleted.
I think it is an entirely different sort of team, than the Outsiders, or the Teen Titans, and it should be re-created. (I suggested the same about the Darkstars in the CfD, but, I think that ithat would be too small to concern ourselves with atm.)
I think the category name should be: Category:Green Lantern Corps members; which would then be a sub-cat of Category:Green Lantern.
Interested in everyone's opinions. - jc37 21:48, 18 October 2006 (UTC)
I've had to re-add the cleanup tag to it several times. The page is almost all lists: only the small history section isn't a bulleted list. Either split the article into several articles, or clean the article and remove most or all of the lists. People that have removed the tag, either don't give a reason or their reasoning is wrong. RobJ1981 00:03, 18 October 2006 (UTC)
I'll put it on my watch list and take a look at it -- I like Gary Carlson's work. Icarus 23 05:05, 18 October 2006 (UTC)
Could people please have a look at this:
http://mail.wikipedia.org/pipermail/wikien-l/2006-October/055675.html
and keep in mind it's comments and look out for stuff ripped from www.marvunapp.com . Geni 11:25, 19 October 2006 (UTC)
There is a little dispute at Talk:Avengers Disassembled over the mention of parodies of the event. Please lend your voice to the discussion. -- Chris Griswold ( ☎ ☓) 15:06, 19 October 2006 (UTC)
Category:Depowered mutants, which I see as being just as ephemeral as the dead character categories; also Category:Marvel vs. Series characters, which just plops in every character that has been included in one of those video games like X-Men vs. Street Fighter, no more significant than their merchandising in a particular toy line. I think we should CFD both. Postdlf 23:55, 19 October 2006 (UTC)
I started a discussion on the Talk page for his wife, Maggie Thompson on whether Don merits an entry by noteability guidelines. Rather than repeeat it here, I refer folks interested to that Talk page.
I also added Don to the Don Thompson disambiguation page, and created a redirect to maggie's page. I would also suggest we change it from Don Thompson (Comics Buyer's Guide) to Don Thompson (writer).
I am trying to enter the biographical information on the writers who contributed to The Comic-Book Book into here. So far I haven't got past Don and Dick Lupoff.
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When should we delete stubs?There's a lot of them. DC Comics has at least 637 stub articles, Marvel Comics has 820 or so and so on and so on. WE should depopulate the stub articles. Brian Boru is awesome 01:08, 5 October 2006 (UTC)
And it seems when I delete a stub from the 200 category it still says 200 not 199 or something. Also is it just stub articles, or they should be at least like Captain America, Spider-Man, Superman, Batman articles for them to be considered not stubs anymore? Brian Boru is awesome 14:02, 5 October 2006 (UTC)
A stub is thought to be anything of a paragraph or less. The category issue is a bit of a bug, if there are more than 200 it will display 200, 200 is the highest it can count to, from what I remember. Hiding Talk 15:10, 5 October 2006 (UTC)
So five sentences is a stub? Brian Boru is awesome 16:00, 5 October 2006 (UTC)
Would you guys please take a look at my recent edits in Nuklon and compare it with User:Netkinetic's? Then take a look at his recent edits regarding categories. — Lesfer (t/ c/ @) 02:27, 5 October 2006 (UTC)
And I have promptly reverted them all. Never disrupt WP to prove a point. — Lesfer (t/ c/ @) 13:37, 5 October 2006 (UTC)
Chris hit the point, I agree with him. I'm cool with the way it looks right now. What could be done about it, though: Renaming articles. Instead of "Carter Hall (comics)" model, we could follow "Starman (Ted Knight)" model. Just an idea, I don't even know if I agree with it myself (lol). But I do know this won't work for characters like Albert Rothstein — Lesfer (t/ c/ @) 14:20, 5 October 2006 (UTC)
If people are going to edit war on this issue there are going to be an awful lot of protected pages about. I'm now thinking we delete these categories as well and listify. If we can't accept that the issues need to be dealt with case by case and through discussion and consensus, then perhaps it's better to represent the issues through a list. I might remind people that our categorisation guidance notes Unless it is self-evident and uncontroversial that something belongs in a category, it should not be put into a category. Now if we are here discussing an issue and people dispute that certain articles should be categorised in a certain manner, I'd say that constitutes a controversial categorisation and such a categorisation should not be implemented until the discussion is through. Hiding Talk 18:55, 6 October 2006 (UTC)
Well, I suggested a
straw poll in order to determine consensus but I got no response about it. As I told before, majority decides. And this is exactly what is happening in cfd.
Anyway, if the deletion proposal fails I suggest we fit cats in redirects such as "Nuklon (Al Rothstein)", "Skyman (Sylvester Pemberton)" and "Green Lantern (Hal Jordan)" in order to solve the issue. —
Lesfer
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Something needs to be done about User talk:CrystalB4. This user keeps reverting the SHB on the Hyperion page, as well as deleted info on superman's regeneration even when I provided a source. Please help me in resolving this matter. T-1000 04:06, 5 October 2006 (UTC)
I just spent the past half hour trying to read a Wizard magazine (#181), and the more I read, the less reliable I realize it is. After having a subscription for several years, I gave up on it about six years back, and I check in every once in a while to see if they have hired writers or editors yet. Wizard is mostly embellished press releases and speculation. When they do report on something, they get it wrong. They say the new Art Assylum has the "first-ever batch" of DC Mini-Mates figures coming out soon, despite the two series of DC Mini-Mates already released. Additionally, when they finally got around to mentioning Mad in the EC Comics article, they repeated the urban legend that the comic became a magazine because of the comics code. Any use of Wizard as a source really needs to be double-checked because there are times that Wizard presents subjects in a way that is unclear to the reader how true or factual the basis is. For instance, the Brothers in Arms feature, about a possible Brotherhood of Evil Mutants team that Wizard made up has no basis in anything, and they re-designed a couple costumes and re-named Jamie Madrox. Another feature takes two pages to evaluate which of nine X-Men are on which side of the Superhuman Registration Act debate (against, except for Bishop), but it's pure speculation with an assistant editor from Marvel who does not actually participate in the writing of the relevent series. Just be careful with this fan-zine. -- Chris Griswold ( ☎ ☓) 14:07, 5 October 2006 (UTC)
Comic book resources, comics continuum, and comic bloc. with Geoff Johns forum there at comic bloc. Well Wizarduniverse.com is doing pretty good with 52, though it's like the wikipedia article. Brian Boru is awesome 22:40, 6 October 2006 (UTC)
Also look up www.spider-bob.com they have, under news resources various comic book news and other stuff as well. Brian Boru is awesome 23:04, 6 October 2006 (UTC)
Wizard absolutely blows as an objective news source; I don't think anyone disagrees with that. However, it's essential for its interviews and sales charts. Just use your best judgement on what to cite, and of course, if you find a more reliable source, go with that instead. WesleyDodds 23:55, 6 October 2006 (UTC)
Yeah, but have you ever gone to a Wizard Convention? Brian Boru is awesome 15:02, 7 October 2006 (UTC)
Somebody want to write up a guideline for this? CovenantD 02:48, 9 October 2006 (UTC)
The category is not a comics category but it is too big now. Would it be a good idea to subcategorise it by Category:DC Comics characters with telekinesis and Category:Marvel Comics characters with telekinesis? It would take a large load off the page and wouldn't damage the purpose of the category to keep the Jean Greys away from the Prue Halliwells. And if anyone agrees with me, would someone care to help in moving characters over? ~ Zythe Talk to me! 15:25, 5 October 2006 (UTC)
The problem is a confusion between a simple power to move an object with your mind, and the fact that that power has been expanded so that you can potentially manipulate/move any particulate matter, and possibly even energy. Nearly every power on List of comic book superpowers can now be duplicated telekinetically. It's become a category that will be hard to define, and may be hard to maintain, even if we restrict it to those who can simply move visible objects (rather than matter and energy). I hesitate to delete, since simple TK is a definable power, but it's a power that nearly every comic book character may now claim to have in one way or other (and through the nuveau tactile telekinesis, even Superman is a telekinetic). Perhaps as an umbrella category, but I think it will end up duplicating category:Fictional characters by superhuman power. - jc37 17:08, 5 October 2006 (UTC)
Fictional characters by power is a fannish, lame way of categorizing things, though, and ultimately runs into problems with the fluid, inconsistent, often nonsensical way that superpowers are described. The fact that Fictional characters by telekinesis is running into problems is a symptom of this systemic problem, and I think the only cure is to scrap the lot. - A Man In Bl♟ck ( conspire | past ops) 17:28, 5 October 2006 (UTC)
The other powers aside for a moment, do we have a concensus to listify characters with telekinesis powers? And I'd like to ask that we do the same with characters with magical powers, as well. - jc37 19:49, 5 October 2006 (UTC)
Thought this might be a good place to point it out: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/711_%28Quality_Comics%29
Good news is that most of the votes are for keep, but others may have something to add. Curiousbadger 14:49, 6 October 2006 (UTC)
The more categories an article belongs to, the less meaningful any of them become. I just looked at Magneto and saw it belongs to thirty categories (for reference, even George W. Bush has fewer than that). I think this is a good moment to start thinking about listifying several of them. For instance, "members of <group>" would be better off as a list, because many characters have changed groups over the time of a story arc. Categories: Articles to be expanded | Wikipedia articles needing their fiction made clear | Articles with unsourced statements | Acolytes members | Brotherhood of Mutants members | Depowered mutants | Excalibur members | Fictional characters who are opposed to humanity | Fictional megalomaniacs | Fictional geniuses | Fictional characters with the power to manipulate magnetic fields | Fictional orphans | Fictional scientists | Fictional terrorists | Fictional widows and widowers | Computer and video game bosses | Hellfire Club members | Jewish comic book characters | Marvel Comics mutants | Marvel Comics titles | Marvel Legends | Marvel vs. Series characters | Marvel Comics characters who can fly | New Mutants and X-Force members | Polish superheroes | Spider-Man villains | Ultimate Marvel | X-Men members | X-Men villains | 1963 introductions
>Radiant< 20:24, 6 October 2006 (UTC)
As for teams, I think that the discussion about team navboxes (unfortunately) applies to categories too (sigh). As stated above, the teams need citations (when, and underwhat circumstances was a member, a member?). I'd offer to tag them, but I still haven't heard of any offers help to help merge the Elemental category yet, which means I'm going to have to spend a fair amount of time slogging through it myself : ( - jc37 02:11, 7 October 2006 (UTC)
Another article with too many categories: Sabretooth (comics). Currently he has 23 categories. Something really should be done about this problem, too many categories is just clutter and doesn't help the article a whole lot. RobJ1981 19:06, 8 October 2006 (UTC)
This category is currently a dumping ground for every article on a Marvel Comics character who has ever appeared in an Ultimates comic, as opposed to articles that are specifically about Ultimate fictional subjects. Should this continue? I say nay, let us pruneth this insolent category to focus only on articles that are specifically on topic, like Ultimate Spider-Man or Ultimates. There is already a List of Ultimate Marvel characters. Postdlf 18:54, 8 October 2006 (UTC)
Yet another category excess that just lumps in articles on every Marvel character who has an action figure in this toy line. Few, if any of these articles have sections on character merchandise, so the category tag "Marvel Legends" just appears at the bottom without context or explanation. Once again, the Marvel Legends article has a complete list already. I'd like to CFD this: any complaints? Postdlf 19:28, 8 October 2006 (UTC)
Please see CFD here for Category:Marvel Legends and the similar Category:Spider-Man Classics. Postdlf 22:07, 8 October 2006 (UTC)
Here's one we need to discuss rather than let random deletionists or inclusionists who don't know comics decide for us: Category: Comic Book Movie actors Doczilla 00:48, 9 October 2006 (UTC)
..needs work. I have nominated it for the next month's collab. Wikipedia:WikiProject Comics/Collab/Peanuts - Mike | trick or treat 22:09, 8 October 2006 (UTC)
Those dreadful photos of the 3-D plastic Peanuts characters at Universal Studios Japan should be removed. We don't gain anything by using them, because a fair use claim is still needed for the copyrighted works depicted in the photographs. We should just use comics panels or screenshots where needed. Postdlf 01:13, 9 October 2006 (UTC)
In case anyone didn't know, there's a CfD up for DC Comics group members. [1]. No matter which way you'd vote, I think it's important that this gets decided by WikiProjects Comics members and not by whoever just happens to go through the CfD lists for the fun of it. (Now, if you'll excuse, I'm about to go through the CfD lists for the fun of it.) Wryspy 16:45, 9 October 2006 (UTC)
I've just added an image requests section to the task template above. Lemme have 'em. I like searching for this stuff, and I am sure other people do as well. -- Chris Griswold ( ☎ ☓) 21:41, 9 October 2006 (UTC)
Wasn't there a concensus here about not using the term "Golden Age"? Now there's Category:Golden Age superheroes. -- Chris Griswold ( ☎ ☓) 03:31, 10 October 2006 (UTC)
So, just in case, how should I call golden age heroes? Is golden age not ok? How else can they be called?-- 201 04:56, 10 October 2006 (UTC)
And no, 201, Golden Age heroes would not be okay. There are other kinds of Golden Ages. There were heroes in the Golden Age of mythology. Doczilla 06:48, 10 October 2006 (UTC)
I've just put up a bunch of "So-and-so" television series categories up for deletion, including Wonder Woman, Flash, Teen Titans, Justice League, Aquaman, and Green Lantern. I don't think that any of them are large enough or distinct enough from the parent, Category:Television programs based on DC Comics, to justify their own subcat. Let your opinions be known at Wikipedia:Categories for deletion/Log/2006 October 10. CovenantD 22:42, 10 October 2006 (UTC)
Is this category really needed? There certainly is no category for superheroes with costumes (for good reason: it would be too long, and it's just obvious they wear costumes). Heroes without costumes isn't a common thing, but I don't think this category is notable. I'm going to put CFD on it pretty soon, if no one objects. RobJ1981 04:17, 11 October 2006 (UTC)
Good lord, no! And frankly, using the term "costume" invokes POV. If somebody wears the same coat all the time, doesn't that become his or her costume? Did Jubilee wear a costume or not? The costumed heroes sometimes do heroics without wearing costumes, and those who don't normally wear costumes have sometimes worn disguises or even costumes. In one of his earliest appearances, Dr. Occult wore a costume before Superman ever did. Doczilla 04:54, 11 October 2006 (UTC)
I can't figure out if we discussed this at all and now Netkinetic is moving them (I noticed Nightwing (Dick Grayson) first). IMO, a massive change like this has the potential for pretty huge ramifications, since we have a ton of pages like 'Hal Jordan' out there, for all the multiple heroes with one 'code name'. So even though this isn't my idea, I'm putting it out here for everyone to discuss, since I do agree that we need some kind of standard, no matter what it is. -- Ipstenu ( talk| contribs) 13:15, 11 October 2006 (UTC)
No offense but the way the article looks like now is weird.Too much articles!!! Brian Boru is awesome 16:21, 11 October 2006 (UTC)
I think that the following process takes place, or at least used to:
Would I be right? -- Jamdav86 16:56, 11 October 2006 (UTC)
Besides the articles now look worse than they do before!!! Brian Boru is awesome 17:13, 11 October 2006 (UTC)
What do you think we should split WikiProject Comics into some others like DC Project and Marvel Project?To ease up on the articles to make it more accesscible to other users?There's wikiproject superman. Why not with the others?Just an idea. Brian Boru is awesome 17:20, 11 October 2006 (UTC)
[2] You didn't know that?Well there's the link.Thoughts? Brian Boru is awesome 17:37, 11 October 2006 (UTC)
I think the naming issues are endemic of a larger promblem: tendency of fans to split pages to emphasize all the incarnations of the characters. Sure, someone like Hal Jordan simply cannot be discussed in the confines of the Green Lantern article. But many of these successor characters are simply that: variations on the same core character/concept. Usually separate article become mere repositories for fictional biography, which can veer quickly into fancruft, and infoboxes that in many cases are longer than the prose itself. I myself would emphasize merging over splitting. Fictional biographies should be downplayed in deference to the character's real world notability. I'm sure anyone can fill a 15kb page about Jaime Reyes' recent stories, but from a real-world perspective, what else is there to say beyond "Jaime Reyes is the new incarnation of Blue Beetle introduced in the Infinite Crisis miniseries and now stars in the current Blue Beetle title"? And all that can go on the Blue Beetle page. WesleyDodds 19:37, 11 October 2006 (UTC)
To unify the discussions, I might suggest that we move the discussion(s) at User talk:Netkinetic to this page, since similar things are being discussed there, as well. - jc37 18:15, 11 October 2006 (UTC)
Really. I can't understand these splits:
Aren't these supposed to be simply within Superman, Batman, Aquaman and Green Arrow? — Lesfer (t/ c/ @) 23:41, 11 October 2006 (UTC)
No, no, no, no, no! These splits only add to confusion. "Ollie Queen" is not even accurate. Ollie is a nickname, for crying out loud. He is frequently called Oliver. Having both Aquamen in the same article, both Batmen in the same, and both Green Arrows in the same will explain the difference better for people who don't already know what the damn difference is. This kind of thing will confuse others. Doczilla 00:03, 12 October 2006 (UTC)
I just realized that I added to the confusion by moving Wally West (Flash) (one of NetK's moves) to Flash (Wally West) when it should have been moved back to Wally West, since he's had more than one code name. Can an admin take care of this? Thanks! CovenantD 00:31, 12 October 2006 (UTC)
The articles in question have been tagged for speedy delete by myself. I did not anticipate the reaction creating new character articles would receive, for had I then I would not have introduced these articles to begin with. My apologies for any concern this may have caused, and all I can state in my defense is I honestly felt each of these characters was separate and distinct, each deserving of their own article. I still do. That said, consensensus says otherwise, and I will abide. For those of you who addressed me in a cordial manner, I thank them and hope that they will see my long list of contributions on the whole as that of a balanced contributor. I was WP:BOLD although this was only due to my appreciation for this artform and my desire to represent it in the manner I felt reflected how the industry itself had in such reference works as Who's Who and the like. Thank you for your time. NetK 00:35, 12 October 2006 (UTC)
I'm about to hit three reverts of User:205.176.22.232's edits to Wonder Woman, prepending 'vast' to her superhuman strength. Can someone else lend a hand? I already asked 205.176.22.232 to please stop on their talk page. -- Ipstenu ( talk| contribs) 19:07, 11 October 2006 (UTC)
A note on the top of the cat says: Articles about teenagers and sometimes young adults who have starred in their own comic book series. The category is a little broad, so either a split should happen (into Teen comic characters, teen comic titles, etc) or just remove the category altogether. Is there an adult comic cat? If there isn't, I don't think this cat really needs to exist. Also, I don't think all of the articles listed have their own titles (like the category note suggests). Plus, if you take X-Men for example... that's not completely a teen book. Characters like Professor X and Wolverine certainly aren't teenagers or young adults. If a book contains adults and teens, I don't think it really qualifies to fall under a teen category. That's just misleading. RobJ1981 20:36, 11 October 2006 (UTC)
201.239.238.20 ( talk · contribs) is adding/re-adding categories like Marvel Comics characters with superhuman speed. What was decided about these categories? -- Chris Griswold ( ☎ ☓) 23:28, 11 October 2006 (UTC)
I'm sure this will be of interest to some people here... Category talk:Marvel Comics cosmic entities CovenantD 01:12, 12 October 2006 (UTC)
An idea I've raised on Talk:Aquaman in regards to this whole renaming debacle is to create an "Earth-Two" article, which would serve as a great way to cover this area of DC lore instead of making long separate character biographies. Right now the term simply redirects to an article about DC's multiple earths, but I feel the topic has enough notability and relevance ot be its own article. I do have concerns about such a page devolving into fancruft, which is why I ask that if such a page is started that it be an active collaboration between members of the Wikiproject.
My ideas for structure are as follows. The lead section identifies Earth-Two as an alternate reality that has appeared in DC Comics. It first appeared in Flash #123 in order to to team up two versions of the flash. Subseuquent team-ups between different versions of the same character occured, with variations of other heroes being created to fill out this world. DC eventually published a number of titles that dealt with Earth-Two exclusively (All-Star Squadron, Infinity Inc.), and its success also lead to other alternate earths to emerge. Earth-Two was eliminated by Crisis on Infinite Earths and the Earth-Two titles had to adjust to the changes. Earth-Two characters have appeared since then, either integrated into the main DC universe (JSA) or existing outside of it or as anomalies as plot points in stories (Power Girl, Psycho-Pirate in Animal Man, Kal-L). The articles would discuss the history of Earth-Two from a real-wold publication point of view; Gardner Fox's original idea and DC building on the idea would be the focal points to remember. We discuss the earth-two titles, Crisis, and Infinite Crisis, then a section about the variations created for characters who didn't disappear during the Golden Age (and not people like Alan Scott or Jay Garrick; that would be redundant with their articles since they are entirely different characters from Hal Jordan and Barry Allen, unlike the Earth 1 and 2 versions of Superman) and a section about new characters (Power Girl, Huntress, Infinity Inc.) Then maybe something characters who crossed over, like Ultra-Humanite, Spectre, and Solomon Grundy. Above all we should avoid constructing a history of Earth-2, otherwise the article becomes inward-looking and focuses on the fiction itself. We'd need listings of Earth-Two titles and miniseries, as well as references and citations from the creators about the topic (Gardner Fox and Roy Thomas would be particularly relevant).
Thoughts? WesleyDodds 04:15, 12 October 2006 (UTC)
Another discussion that might interest some of the members of this project... WT:NOT#Plot_summaries_part_3. CovenantD 08:09, 12 October 2006 (UTC)
- Strong agreement on addition of "Wikipedia is not a fan site." In the Comics Project, certainly, there is a tendency among some editors to treat their favorite characters' articles as their own personal fan sites, with overly detailed, issue-by-issue plot synopses, rumors, breaking news that may or may not be encyclopedic ("So-and-so appears on the cover of the next issue!" Seriously, that's a real one.), and lots of original research speculation/analysis/conclusion. While various of these can be deleted on things like WP:POV, etc., an overall "this is not a fan site" dictum would streamline and simplify matters, and save time and effort.
Discussion like that always worry me. - Lex 14:01, 13 October 2006 (UTC)
“ | This is the heart of this wiki. The storyline is a quick summary of what has happened in this title for the last few months, up until the last issue. Do NOT include storyline information on the issue currently on the stands.
For the most recent six issues, the storyline information should be detailed enough that a new reader picking up the book for the first time will be able to follow the story, but not so detailed as to violate fair use. Summaries for each issue should be no longer than a short paragraph. For older issues, storyline information can be combined into a "what came before" archive. These can be as long as needed to give the history of a title or the main characters of the title. Just keep in mind that you are trying to inform your readers, not bore them to death. |
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Looks like a great idea. Any efficient way to transfer them across, or do we just cut-'n'-paste? -- Jamdav86 18:36, 13 October 2006 (UTC)
Also [4] or [5] for the plot summaries. I like the plot summaries anyway. We should transfer it there. They need it more than we do.They need way more articles than we do.Look at main page. Brian Boru is awesome 16:51, 14 October 2006 (UTC)
I agree with the idea of this current plot summary discussion. I also think that we need to seriously pair down the plot summaries I see in comics articles. I have several articles on my to-do list where that is my main goal. So in that, I agree. But my concern is that this will lead to a mass culling of comics-related articles. Instead of fixing the summaries, I'm worried that some editors will see this as an excuse to delete a huge number of articles. I'd rather not see that happen. My hope is that editors will first work at fixing existing articles before deleting them. - Lex 19:52, 13 October 2006 (UTC)
This category is in sad shape. There appears to be a lot of vandalism from User:198.189.198.2 dating back to Dec 15, 2005. Betty White? Tallulah Bankhead? Please...
Also, many of the actors who portrayed specific roles, e.g. Danny DeVito as the Penguin, have suffered because subcats were deleted instead of merged. I haven't looked yet, but I suspect that the Superman-related actors have also been unceremoniously dumped as well. CovenantD 18:55, 12 October 2006 (UTC)
All right, I created Batman (TV): Guest appearances and episodes earlier. The Batman (TV series) article was too long and needed that split off anyway. Simple enough. I've now played around with some different approaches to how to categorize or list Batman actors in order to avoid a puzzling mess like Category:Batman actors. I've created the bare bones for some possible alternatives:
Before I put any more time into fleshing these out, I'd like some feedback as to which way to go. There needs to be only one list -- or maybe an umbrella category that links the lists, but that actually has some problems. I'm not committed to any or all of these. The work I put into any can easily be translated into something. I'm not worried about what to title the list at the moment, just how people would like to see it formatted. It won't hurt my feelings for anybody to say they all suck, but what will work? What's preferred? Doczilla 07:31, 13 October 2006 (UTC)
Would an admin please rename this to Citadel (comics) in keeping with naming conventions? The creator moved it around so much that I, a mere editor, can't correct it. CovenantD 19:27, 12 October 2006 (UTC)
A lot of the articles for the characters from VfV have more information on the movie version than the book version ( Peter Creedy, Gordon Deitrich, Roger Dascombe, Anthony James Lilliman). Would anyone mind cleaning it up, and if both versions of the character are similiar, merging them together? -- DrBat 22:12, 12 October 2006 (UTC)
Add {{ Reqimagecomics}} to an article's talk page to request an image for the article. Add a piped argument to specify the type of image needed: {{Reqimagecomics|Magneto punching a face}}. The template puts the talk page in Category:Wikipedia requested images-comics. Editors should patrol this category to see what images are needed. -- Chris Griswold ( ☎ ☓) 18:31, 13 October 2006 (UTC)
I just re-worked the resources section on the project page. Please take a look and see what needs to be changed. We should also start taking a look at our project subpages and see how we can update them. Finally, any suggestions for promoting the Comics Cleanup subproject or the notice board? Thanks, Chris Griswold ( ☎ ☓) 19:59, 13 October 2006 (UTC)
It's rather disappointing that these were created without any discussion after all of the debate about the last versions. CovenantD 03:27, 15 October 2006 (UTC)
I'd like to work to reduce the footprints of {{ Superman}} and {{ Batman}}. They are both much larger than they need to be. Who's with me? -- Chris Griswold ( ☎ ☓) 19:33, 16 October 2006 (UTC)
I want to write a short piece about Dolman (another of the Dredd clones), we have not seen enough of him for an article of his own but it would be nice to be complete when discussing the Bloodline - where can I stick a couple of paragraphs on this character? -- Charlesknight 20:10, 15 October 2006 (UTC)
Can we cite the Marvel Handbooks or DC Who's Who info that is not statistics? Thoughts? -- Chris Griswold ( ☎ ☓) 21:52, 15 October 2006 (UTC)
We have discussed articleas about characters and series; can we now find the concensus on how to handle articles about crossovers?
I think that one-shots and mini-series that are derived from, and wholly dependent upon crossovers should be a part of the article covering the main crossover, barring the normal conditions for splitting articles given on WP:CMC/EG. For instance, Civil War (comics) should contain the information in Civil War Files and Civil War: Choosing Sides. Please give your opinion. -- Chris Griswold ( ☎ ☓) 22:18, 15 October 2006 (UTC)
I've added Rodolphe Topffer, William Hogarth and A Harlot's Progress to the Wikiproject, but I'm not sure if these count as comics. (Surely as sequential art?) And what about Lynd Ward, Frans Masereel and Max Ernst's A Week of Kindness? Brutannica 04:24, 16 October 2006 (UTC)
Per our naming conventions, shouldn't this be at Stature (comics)? After all, Stinger was only an MC2 codename. CovenantD 01:05, 17 October 2006 (UTC)
Someone (Chris? Psy?) should go comment on this thread on ANI. It's a mess. - A Man In Bl♟ck ( conspire | past ops) 04:36, 17 October 2006 (UTC)
Can I get some help patrolling Tarantula (Marvel Comics)? I'm in a revert war with some unregistered users who keep adding speculation/independent analysis as to the identity of Ultimate Tarantula. I have cited the policy backing up my removal of this information in most edit summaries (of the original edit and the reverts), posted something to one unregistered talk pages, and the article's talk page but still I'm in this revert war. Anything other than policing/patrolling that can be done, or can anyone help me do that? At what point, if any, would this repetitive reverting become vandalism. My hands are near tied because of the Three-revert rule. -- Newt Ψ Φ 15:54, 17 October 2006 (UTC)
Can anyone point me toward information on the designing of the characters in the Wildstorm Comics series Wildsiderz on the actors in the film Airborne? I read about it a few years ago when the comic was in its early stages, but I can't fins a reference to it now. Thanks, Chris Griswold ( ☎ ☓) 19:48, 17 October 2006 (UTC)
Category:DC Comics superhero teams
There are only two subcats there now. Was it really neccessary to commit category genocide like that? I found them useful.-- Kross Talk 22:28, 17 October 2006 (UTC)
Please let us know here if anyone takes the CFD to Wikipedia:Deletion review; just don't repost them without going through that process first. Postdlf 15:57, 18 October 2006 (UTC)
This is somewhat related, in that it was just deleted when the super-teams were deleted.
I think it is an entirely different sort of team, than the Outsiders, or the Teen Titans, and it should be re-created. (I suggested the same about the Darkstars in the CfD, but, I think that ithat would be too small to concern ourselves with atm.)
I think the category name should be: Category:Green Lantern Corps members; which would then be a sub-cat of Category:Green Lantern.
Interested in everyone's opinions. - jc37 21:48, 18 October 2006 (UTC)
I've had to re-add the cleanup tag to it several times. The page is almost all lists: only the small history section isn't a bulleted list. Either split the article into several articles, or clean the article and remove most or all of the lists. People that have removed the tag, either don't give a reason or their reasoning is wrong. RobJ1981 00:03, 18 October 2006 (UTC)
I'll put it on my watch list and take a look at it -- I like Gary Carlson's work. Icarus 23 05:05, 18 October 2006 (UTC)
Could people please have a look at this:
http://mail.wikipedia.org/pipermail/wikien-l/2006-October/055675.html
and keep in mind it's comments and look out for stuff ripped from www.marvunapp.com . Geni 11:25, 19 October 2006 (UTC)
There is a little dispute at Talk:Avengers Disassembled over the mention of parodies of the event. Please lend your voice to the discussion. -- Chris Griswold ( ☎ ☓) 15:06, 19 October 2006 (UTC)
Category:Depowered mutants, which I see as being just as ephemeral as the dead character categories; also Category:Marvel vs. Series characters, which just plops in every character that has been included in one of those video games like X-Men vs. Street Fighter, no more significant than their merchandising in a particular toy line. I think we should CFD both. Postdlf 23:55, 19 October 2006 (UTC)
I started a discussion on the Talk page for his wife, Maggie Thompson on whether Don merits an entry by noteability guidelines. Rather than repeeat it here, I refer folks interested to that Talk page.
I also added Don to the Don Thompson disambiguation page, and created a redirect to maggie's page. I would also suggest we change it from Don Thompson (Comics Buyer's Guide) to Don Thompson (writer).
I am trying to enter the biographical information on the writers who contributed to The Comic-Book Book into here. So far I haven't got past Don and Dick Lupoff.