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How about we add sections on Template:X-Men members devoted to X-Men teams such as add Excalibur, Generation X, New Mutants, X-Corps, X-Force, X-Factor and X-Statix? We can then keep the top section for those characters who have served in the main team. We can also list the members chronologically, like on Template:Avengers members. Thoughts? -- Jamdav86 16:28, 30 August 2006 (UTC)
I disagree with the alphabetising, and would argue that in the chronological order you get more information out of the template, for example you can see who are the newer members are and get a good idea of how long some of the older members of the team have been around. What are your thoughts on my other points, Chris? -- Jamdav86 16:42, 30 August 2006 (UTC)
I look through the comics related pages, and I see lots of entries that read as if they were written by the subject's own advertsing agency. I strongly suspect that these entries contain text copied from the subject's own web site. Too examples that come to mind immediately are Dark Horse Comics and CrossGen comics. This kind of hyperbolic promotional writing has no place in a web site that aspires to be a subjective information source. I have found similar pages in other catagories, but they seem to plague the subject of comics more than most other subjects. A list should be created of pages that need to be re-written to eliminate copied advertising content. -- Drvanthorp 06:14, 3 September 2006 (UTC)
I have just greatly expanded the article (stub) for this Gary Larson book. People may want to check the formatting or offer other suggestions. marbeh raglaim 23:29, 3 September 2006 (UTC)
I'd like to come up with a guideline concerning the use of lists of appearances in character articles. For some, such as Professor X, it just seems like a little too much space used up for a list of appearances, many of which are inconsequential. But then, to cut such a list down to what is consequential is to apply POV, and of course, that is wrong. Finally, we have to consider that Wikipedia is not a collection of indiscriminate information. Thoughts? -- Chris Griswold ( ☎ ☓) 05:32, 4 September 2006 (UTC)
I'm trying to solve a sticky problem on Talk: Smallville (TV series)#Character basis where User:Bignole absolutely refuses to allow a neutral statement about what character Smallville is based on. There is an ongoing legal dispute about whether the character is Superboy or Superman (Superboy has a different legal status than Superman and is not considered the same character). Since the character is disputed, a statement that the series is based on one specific character should not be stated as a fact, but should be described in a NPOV manner which includes both claims.
I've variously tried:
Is anyone willing to look at and comment on the RFC? Ken Arromdee 20:41, 5 September 2006 (UTC)
For a quick link, the RFC is located here (comment there). - Royalguard11( Talk)( Desk) 00:54, 10 September 2006 (UTC)
{{ Acolytes}} {{ Avengers members}} {{ Brotherhood members}} {{ Excalibur members}} {{ Exiles}} {{ Flight members}} {{ Gene nation members}} {{ Generation x members}} {{ Hellfire Club members}} {{ Hellions}} {{ Heroes for Hire}} {{ Morlocks}} {{ Mutant liberation front}} {{ Newmutants}} {{ Nextwave members}} {{ X-Factor members}} {{ Thunderbolts members}} {{ X-Men members}}
Augh. We're starting to see navboxes detailing the membership of every single team ever formed. This lump is from Magneto (comics), but it's creeping into other articles, too. Should something be done about this? - A Man In Bl♟ck ( conspire | past ops) 05:54, 6 September 2006 (UTC)
I like them too. Actually if we could mix that technology with a superherobox (to use only for some special cases, of course), it'd be a great thing. -- The Judge 17:15, 6 September 2006 (UTC)
I just found the rest of these. New ones keep appearing. (see above) This absurd. I don't think these are worth the space they take up. Templates should be kept to a minimum in articles. This includes infoboxes, successionboxes, and navboxes. -- Chris Griswold ( ☎ ☓) 02:54, 7 September 2006 (UTC)
Wow, I thought someone was going to I think I'm an asshole for adding all those navboxes above. And then I took a look at the new bottom of the Professor X article: four of those things stacked atop one another. I think it's time to renew the navbox discussion. -- Chris Griswold ( ☎ ☓) 06:52, 7 September 2006 (UTC)
Augh, these hurt my brain. Why does the Tbolts template list every single villain they've detained in a recent storyline? - A Man In Bl♟ck ( conspire | past ops) 21:21, 7 September 2006 (UTC)
We're also seeing "Current status" rear its ugly head again in some of these templates; many of them italicize "current members". - A Man In Bl♟ck ( conspire | past ops) 21:27, 7 September 2006 (UTC)
They just keep multiplying. We have one for Nextwave now. Is there anyone here who thinks that these templates are a good idea? Does anyone have any ideas what to do with them? - A Man In Bl♟ck ( conspire | past ops) 23:27, 9 September 2006 (UTC)
I just created
Category:Fictional characters who can fly to replace the list that someone had started (accidentally, apparently) at
Fictional characters who can fly. After creating it, I realized it'd been deleted a few months ago. However, it seems to have been deleted for being potentially too big, which I don't think is a very strong reason. There are better ways to deal with big categories than deleting them, and flight is the last really common superpower to not have a category.
On a tangent, can anyone think of a better name for
Category:Fictional lygokineticists? I have no idea what a lygo is. -
HKMarks 04:50, 7 September 2006 (UTC)
And I googled the word lygokineticist. The word ain't out there. It looks like a neologism in violation of Wikipedia policy. Uses of the related term lygokinesis appear to pull the word from Wikipedia, again a problem. Doczilla 05:19, 7 September 2006 (UTC)
Oh, come on! It's ovious it implies "fictional human-like characters who can fly". And it'd be useful.-- The Judge 06:58, 7 September 2006 (UTC)
I've started a discussion on the -kinesis stuff at Talk:List of comic book superpowers#Neologisms. - HKMarks 23:24, 8 September 2006 (UTC)
I would like to start adding more detailed information to The Punisher (1987 series) but I don't know what the consensus is on how to do it. Are there any good examples? - Peregrinefisher 06:43, 7 September 2006 (UTC)
Maybe It could use some table to make it look good.-- The Judge 06:54, 7 September 2006 (UTC)
I urge everyone to acquaint themselves with the WP:CMC editorial guidelines, as well as the associated talk page. I proposed a number of new guidelines and would like some help in shaping them before they are included on the guideline page. -- Chris Griswold ( ☎ ☓) 07:38, 7 September 2006 (UTC)
I would kind of like to see the superherobox and supersupportingbox (and maybe others, I don't know what all of them are) combined:
Just a thought - HKMarks 19:39, 9 September 2006 (UTC)
I can teach you to do that. That's why I feel so secure about the infoboxes, because I (we) can modify them until perfection.-- The Judge 20:33, 9 September 2006 (UTC)
I'm still wondering about this. Is anyone interested? - HKMarks 02:46, 16 September 2006 (UTC)
I could combine the two templates, no sweat, if that would help. - A Man In Bl♟ck ( conspire | past ops) 05:46, 16 September 2006 (UTC)
I'm going to bring this up, along with some other template monkeying, at Template talk:superherobox#Redesign time!. I'll bring up a SSB merge, disabling status and relatives for good, merging affiliations, and some design changes. - A Man In Bl♟ck ( conspire | past ops) 05:59, 16 September 2006 (UTC)
Please take a look at Feedback (Matthew Atherton), a recent article about the wining character from Who Wants to be a Superhero?. Any references anyone can provide for this article are appreciated; currently, there is a lot of unreferenced info about a character who has not yet seen print. Oh, and I want to make clear that I am not bashing in any way the work editors have done on the article; I just know that some people from outside comics readership will be interested in the article, and if it's to be popular, I'd like it to also be as good as it can be. -- Chris Griswold ( ☎ ☓) 17:08, 8 September 2006 (UTC)
From what understand those tie together, Superhero teams. I get that several people don't like it, but is there like a rule those are breaking? I say that for the sake of understanding the rules.-- The Judge 05:08, 10 September 2006 (UTC). I mean, I see those as handy. Let's say you're reading about Vision, the probable next thing a reader would read is another avenger or an enemy of the avengers. And the thing only cupy a line in the computers, how much better can it get? Is there a better infobox?-- The Judge 05:14, 10 September 2006 (UTC)
Well my whole point is that if everyone feels so sure about that, It should be written down in the project as a rule, or at least as something that is recomended to follow. Consensus is too relative. If we don't want people feeling all frustrated when they find out they threw hours of well intended work to the garbage can. I know it because I've been there. You know, let's get over with this get some votation done and leave no further space for doubts by writing down the conclutions in the project as a guide to newcomers.
This discusion ha been done over and over, by writing it down in the project conflics like the past one would be substancially reduced.-- The Judge 09:10, 10 September 2006 (UTC)
For one, they're navboxes, not infoboxes.
They clutter pages, they look awful, the hide code screws up some browsers, many of these teams have less thana dozen members ever, they frequently have duplicate information, nearly every character who has headlined a book and many who haven't have been on two different teams, some teams are so massive (Avengers, X-Men, JLA) that their templates are nearly unworkable, some of these templates include many redlinks and non-links and repeated links, some of these templates include characters who were a member for an issue or two tops, some of these teams aren't so big that they need a template (Tbolts and Nextwave), and the redundant linking fucks up Special:Whatlinkshere.
And those are the minor issues. The major issue is that we already have a category or a list (sometimes both!) for each and every one of these teams, so there's no need to put an ugly, redundant, unnecessary list in every single character article. - A Man In Bl♟ck ( conspire | past ops) 02:54, 11 September 2006 (UTC)
Also, for "history" purposes is the main reason I put in characters how have had as much exposure as I have in the US... practically nothing. An example would be Nuwa and Selby of the Mutant Liberation Front. They both have only appeared in one issue as a member and with Decimation going about are most likely to disappear into oblivion... HOWEVER, they are still classed as a member of said team. Granted I did do a lot of the so-called "damage" but I still like them. And like I said earlier, their has to be a way to integrate them somehow. I know the wikipedia isn't stupid... i've seen some smart things done on this site. And I still reckon that the navboxes are useful regardless if they crash some peoples browsers. Haven't had the problem personally and i use the wiki at work, home, on my laptop, in the public library, at internet cafes and still no evil crashing navboxes. Evermore
If there were only one navbox per article, I'd be all for it. Since there is no fair way to limit the number for multi-team characters, the only other course of action is to remove all of them. Sorry dude, I like the idea but not the implementation. CovenantD 05:33, 11 September 2006 (UTC)
Thing is, I like these navboxes. Heck, I made the Avengers one, but they are getting out of hand. I mean, we really don't need one for the MLF or Nextwave, but I still think that really big teams like the X-Men and Avengers can benefit from them. They hardly take up space and are a quick and easy guide. There needs to be a way to limit them however, but I have no idea of how to do that without going into POV territory. Kusonaga 08:06, 11 September 2006 (UTC)
I think that we should keep some of the that are promanent like the Xmen(after it is uncluttered), Avengers, FF, JLA ect. Teams that have played a BIG role and have appeared frequently and with great effect should appear.Cnriaczoy42 12:46, 11 September 2006 (UTC)
I agree with the general consensus that something needs to be done. I enjoy the navboxes and have learned from them, but teams with less than a dozen members shouldn't have one. The idea of just putting it on the team page is interesting, but doesn't seem exactly fruitful to me since the herobox should include all the members already. My one big complaint, which I think Originalsinner fixed in his boxes, is further classification. People who are just associates of a team (for example, Pulse) should be listed as an associate. If this is further divided, then it would leave the editor open to adding other influencial characters who maybe weren't ON the team (like Moira MacTaggert, who played a huge role in the lives of the X-Men but was never on the team, Charlotte Jones, Evangeline Whedon, etc). Maybe for the smaller sister teams, the navbox can be replaced by a simple "see also" place which would redirect the reader to other prevalent articles including that team page if they missed it in the herobox. Tullyman 17:36, 11 September 2006 (UTC)
The Avengers and X-Men and JLA templates would still be a problem. These are teams that have had dozens of members, and there's no way to make the template something other than a huge lump of unexplicated links. - A Man In Bl♟ck ( conspire | past ops) 22:06, 11 September 2006 (UTC)
At the moment the category seems limited to characters known primarily for their speed. Its parrallel categories, like for super strength, flight and telekinesis aren't limited to characters who possess solely those powers. Should various Kryptonians and Captain Marvel Family members be added, or would those additions be reverted?~ Zythe Talk to me! 18:13, 10 September 2006 (UTC)
I've created
Category:Fictional characters by secret identity and need help populating it. If a characters name is a redirect page use {{
r from secret identity|last, first}}
. Thanks!
Dread Lord CyberSkull
✎☠ 12:01, 11 September 2006 (UTC)
I'm thinking of deleting relatives info and the status in the superherobox or any others. Thoughts? Brian Boru is awesome 23:52, 11 September 2006 (UTC)
Well, relatives has been invisible for quite a while now so it won't be missed. CovenantD 00:18, 12 September 2006 (UTC)
Personally, I like the "grouping of nouns" navboxes. Though I think they should be much more "to the point".
Let's use this as an example:
{{ The Batman}}
This nav box could be broken down into separate ones. Obvious splits are:
{{ Batmanmovies}}
All that said, another option is to not list examples, but just to the source lists or articles.
Cut the navboxes down to size, and don't mass use them on every article, and I would presume they should be fine. - jc37 04:42, 12 September 2006 (UTC)
I'd like some feedback on what I've done so far. -- Scottandrewhutchins 02:13, 13 September 2006 (UTC)
Here's a possible solution to both problems:
Issue | Title | Writer | Pencils | Host(s) | Notes | |
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#1 | July-Aug 1972 | |||||
Introduction | Marv Wolfman | Bernie Wrightson | Destiny | |||
Horoscope Phenomenon or Witch Queen of Ancient Sumeria? | Jack Kirby | Jack Kirby | Dr. E. Leopold Maas | originally written for Spirit World #2 | ||
The Brothers Beaumont! | Howard Purcell | Howard Purcell | Destiny | Destiny illustration by E. Nelson Bridwell | ||
Special Delivery, based upon notes compiled from research done in conjunction with Dr. E. Leopold Maas | Mark Evanier, Steve Sherman | none | Dr. E. Leopold Maas | |||
#2 | Sep-Oct 1972 | |||||
Toxl the World Killer! | Jack Kirby | Jack Kirby | Dr E. Leopold Maas and Destiny | originally written for Spirit World #2 | ||
Titanic | Howard Purcell | Howard Purcell | Destiny and Death | cover by Howard Purcell | ||
They're Still Up There! | - | - | none |
There are several issues which I think need to be discussed/clarified.
- jc37 03:34, 13 September 2006 (UTC)
In examining OriginalSinner's recent {{ alternateearth}} template, I found a number of articles detailing "Earths" depicted in Marvel Comics storylines ( Earth-2122, Earth-120185, Earth-712, Earth-98125, Earth-1121). These should be deleted/merged into the appropriate storyline or universe-related article. Additionally, we need to discuss whether such a topic warrants it own article. I can't think of a single alternate Earth that deserves its own article. -- Chris Griswold ( ☎ ☓) 21:08, 13 September 2006 (UTC)
1) Maria Hill is not a villain. I've removed that category from her article twice now.
2) All the Milligan X-Forcers who were killed off in the first issue have their own article. Seeing as how they only appeared in one issue (with the exception of Zeitgeist, appearing later in flashbacks, but he's still pretty minor), do they really need their own articles? --
DrBat 22:20, 13 September 2006 (UTC)
Why not--if the entries are small enough--combine them into the X-Statix page? I'm sure some people worked hard on their articles (I'm just speculating since I haven't looked at them) and wouldn't appreciate losing that. Are you only talking about the first wave of X-Force (with Battering Ram, La Nuit, Gin Genie, etc)? Tullyman 00:09, 14 September 2006 (UTC)
Hello all. I just wanted to bring up some discussion on the Category:Marvel Comics characters with super strength. I think that there need to be more stringent criteria for who should populate this list. By the title, I inferred (as I'm sure other readers did) that the main people in this category would have superhuman strength as one of their primary or secondary mutations/abilities. I think that people such as Wolfsbane, Lady Deathstrike and TOAD!!! should be removed. Characters who have heightened strength due to some animalistic mutation or cybernetic adjustment shouldn't be on the list. Someone tried to put it on Feral but I removed it from that one... Let me know what you think. Tullyman 00:42, 14 September 2006 (UTC)
Agreed. Heightened strength is not superstrength. We need objective criteria, though. Stronger than any recorded real person? Doczilla 02:25, 14 September 2006 (UTC)
I've listed the superteam member-list templates (all that I could find) for deletion. You all are invited to comment on the discussion at Wikipedia:Templates for deletion/Log/2006 September 14#Superteam member templates (multiple). - HKMarks 00:48, 14 September 2006 (UTC)
Let's make guidlines for comic series. My ideas;
A template would help people conform. Examples would be the best way to show how to create comic series pages.
I'm seeing a lot of pages that look like The Punisher: Purgatory. We need to be proactive and decide what the next step should be. - Peregrinefisher 05:39, 14 September 2006 (UTC)
- HKMarks 06:07, 14 September 2006 (UTC)
I would like your help with one issue I can't seem to fix with this template I'm creating: it creates a white space of a few lines at the top of the article (or wherever you put the box of course). If you compare King Ottokar's Sceptre (the old box, no white space) with User talk:Fram/Sandbox (the new template, with white space), you'll see what I mean. You can use that last page to test it as well, if you like. I would be very grateful, as I've put quite some time in that template and think it would be useful, but I just can't get that last bit to work correctly, which is frsutrating. Thank you very much! Fram 08:23, 14 September 2006 (UTC)
Template:Superteam member templates (multiple) has been nominated for deletion. You are invited to comment on the discussion at the template's entry on the Templates for Deletion page. Thank you.
Specifically, I notice that there is a lively two-sided discussion here, while the TfD page seems to run 100% Delete, therefore inspiring my attempt at due notice -- Roninbk 09:36, 14 September 2006 (UTC)
Category:Daredevil television series and Category:Blade video games and Category:The Punisher video games are up for CFD now. Daredevil has never had a series of his own, just cameo roles. Blade has appeared in one game as of now (and will be one of many to be in the upcoming Marvel Ultimate Alliance game). The same thing applies for Punisher, except he has been in two games. RobJ1981 18:15, 14 September 2006 (UTC)
Based on recent discussions, I have proposed a new guidline concerning navboxes for WikiProject Comics. Please take a look at it and help me make it represent the concensus of the WikiProject. -- Chris Griswold ( ☎ ☓) 19:37, 14 September 2006 (UTC)
I'm thinking of going through Amalgam pages and just putting redirects to List of Amalgam Comics characters] on pages that have characters that only appeared once and for lesser characters. I personally think this is the right thing to do. Lesser characters and one time characters don't need pages of their own. The list page can easily describe the character in a few sentences (I don't see why some Amalgam articles are so long, when at most..some characters in Amalgam appeared maybe a handful number of times). Anyone that knows alot about Amalgam can help me out. Also: any Amalgam character that was just mentioned in a comic, doesn't need a page. I remember in the Amalgam comics letter pages, there was several references to characters that never actually appeared in the comics. Red Vision is a good example of that. Useless characters like Red Vision don't even need to be mentioned on the list, in my opinion. RobJ1981 21:09, 14 September 2006 (UTC)
Would it be... "proper," I guess is the term, to include a note on the DC & Marvel characters pages about their Amalgam counterparts/hybrids? -- Dr Archeville 03:19, 15 September 2006 (UTC)
List of locations of the DC Universe reads almost like a todo list of articles that need to be cleaned up, merged, and/or presented from a real-world perspective. Check out Amertek, for instance. -- Chris Griswold ( ☎ ☓) 04:06, 15 September 2006 (UTC)
It seems a bit long to me. Take a look if you have the chance. The information seems to be fine (from what I've read at least), so that's not the problem. Would a split into other pages be reasonable somehow? From the looks of it, there is only 2 major things for Doom Patrol on Wikipedia: the main page and a category for all the character pages. Either a page of the different rosters, or some other page is certainly needed. RobJ1981 06:48, 15 September 2006 (UTC)
I was thinking about starting a catagory called something like "Created by Chris Claremont" or "Fictional characters created by Chris Claremont" (b/c I think it's amazing how many places he's had his hands in over the years and how many monumental characters he thought up. If I were to do such a thing, would it be deleted? I don't want to spend hours of work on this to have it be deleted. Feedback much appreciated. Tullyman 18:03, 15 September 2006 (UTC)
Template:Graphicnovelbox ( | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
Tintin: King Ottokar's Sceptre (Le sceptre d'Ottokar) | |
---|---|
Date | 1939 |
Series | The Adventures of Tintin (Les aventures de Tintin) |
Publisher | Casterman |
Creative team | |
Writers | Hergé |
Artists | Hergé |
Original publication | |
Published in | Le Petit Vingtième |
Date of publication | August 4 1938 - August 10, 1939 |
Language | French |
Translation | |
Publisher | Methuen |
Everyone, meet {{ Graphicnovelbox}}, a template Fram ( talk · contribs) and I cooked up last night, since a template was needed for European-style comic books (comic collections, not ongoing series/publications). It turns out that this template, based partially on {{ Supercbbox}} with a little of the more-mundane book templates thrown in, will (IMO) perfect for both the Asterix and Tintin collections that have a variety of inconsistent templates, as well as the American miniseries and graphic novels (e.g. Watchmen, DKR, etc.) that are crammed, somewhat ill-fitting, into Supercbbox.
This template has a TON of features for translated comics (handling alternate titles, a whole section for translation credits), which, if everyone likes them, I can add to Supercbbox, but they all disappear if you're not using them.
Any thoughts? Qualms? Ideas? Complaints? It's pretty well documented on its talk page. - A Man In Bl♟ck ( conspire | past ops) 01:40, 16 September 2006 (UTC)
Can anyone here understand Equipment of the Batmobile?-- Chris Griswold ( ☎ ☓) 05:54, 16 September 2006 (UTC)
Can someone please update the collab as a matter of urgency, as it is half a month overdue. -- Jamdav86 13:02, 16 September 2006 (UTC)
Can someone make me a "suporting team" box using Supersupportingbox as a template? -- Basique 16:09, 16 September 2006 (UTC)
I'm currently revamping the Xorn article and I'm wondering: how much should other articles acknowledge the real-world mess the character has become? To me, the Xorn, Magneto (comics), and Planet X (comics) should definitely acknowledge this, but should other articles that reference the character still refer to events during New X-men as the actions of a "Magneto imposter" or other such phrases that utilize the current Marvel explanation of the situation? WesleyDodds 21:57, 16 September 2006 (UTC)
Jamdav86 and I are having a fairly minor argument about how to order the items on {{ Marvel Comics films}} (he thinks it should be done alphabetically, while I think it should be done via the weight of the franchise and release date). Could people weigh in at Template talk:Marvel Comics films#Template overhaul? Thanks! EVula 19:33, 17 September 2006 (UTC)
(I mis-placed this at a different talk page)
Though I tend to edit, organize, and clean up "all over". I tend to focus on lists, categories, grammar, and dealing with
WP:OR. (Did I mention that I like to organise? : )
Please feel free to drop off requests on my
requests talk page. -
jc37 18:02, 16 September 2006 (UTC)
For the past few months, here and there, I've worked not only to improve articles but also to make editing comics-related articles better, doing things like drafting guidelines and creating and categorizing templates, and I'm not the only one. There are a number of editors here who are really dedicated to cleaning up articles, and for these editors, I've started Wikipedia:WikiProject Comics Cleanup. If you're interested, go and sign up. I've noticed that when an article gets a major makeover, it stays relatively clean for quite a while. The gist of the new project is that every so often we pick an article or a group of articles and then edit them as a group to get them into shape, copy editing, condensing summaries where needed, finding sources, that sort of thing. We can also make requests for comment and even try for Good status. This is similar to already existing comics collab, but we have a lot more articles near to being Good status than to Feature, and we have many more that could use a good scrubbing. Additionally, I will be starting a list of good, reliable sources that we can draw from - this is not to limit editors but to point out good, interesting sources like [ "Comic Book Urban Legends Revealed". Wikipedia:WikiProject Comics Cleanup is not at all to detract from this WikiProject, but to supplement it, to focus editors on specific tasks and provide support for each other. I've seen some great articles come together out of everyday infoslop articles when editors agree to work together on an article and make it great. Come lend your efforts. -- Chris Griswold ( ☎ ☓) 23:51, 17 September 2006 (UTC)
This is an archive of past discussions. Do not edit the contents of this page. If you wish to start a new discussion or revive an old one, please do so on the current talk page. |
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How about we add sections on Template:X-Men members devoted to X-Men teams such as add Excalibur, Generation X, New Mutants, X-Corps, X-Force, X-Factor and X-Statix? We can then keep the top section for those characters who have served in the main team. We can also list the members chronologically, like on Template:Avengers members. Thoughts? -- Jamdav86 16:28, 30 August 2006 (UTC)
I disagree with the alphabetising, and would argue that in the chronological order you get more information out of the template, for example you can see who are the newer members are and get a good idea of how long some of the older members of the team have been around. What are your thoughts on my other points, Chris? -- Jamdav86 16:42, 30 August 2006 (UTC)
I look through the comics related pages, and I see lots of entries that read as if they were written by the subject's own advertsing agency. I strongly suspect that these entries contain text copied from the subject's own web site. Too examples that come to mind immediately are Dark Horse Comics and CrossGen comics. This kind of hyperbolic promotional writing has no place in a web site that aspires to be a subjective information source. I have found similar pages in other catagories, but they seem to plague the subject of comics more than most other subjects. A list should be created of pages that need to be re-written to eliminate copied advertising content. -- Drvanthorp 06:14, 3 September 2006 (UTC)
I have just greatly expanded the article (stub) for this Gary Larson book. People may want to check the formatting or offer other suggestions. marbeh raglaim 23:29, 3 September 2006 (UTC)
I'd like to come up with a guideline concerning the use of lists of appearances in character articles. For some, such as Professor X, it just seems like a little too much space used up for a list of appearances, many of which are inconsequential. But then, to cut such a list down to what is consequential is to apply POV, and of course, that is wrong. Finally, we have to consider that Wikipedia is not a collection of indiscriminate information. Thoughts? -- Chris Griswold ( ☎ ☓) 05:32, 4 September 2006 (UTC)
I'm trying to solve a sticky problem on Talk: Smallville (TV series)#Character basis where User:Bignole absolutely refuses to allow a neutral statement about what character Smallville is based on. There is an ongoing legal dispute about whether the character is Superboy or Superman (Superboy has a different legal status than Superman and is not considered the same character). Since the character is disputed, a statement that the series is based on one specific character should not be stated as a fact, but should be described in a NPOV manner which includes both claims.
I've variously tried:
Is anyone willing to look at and comment on the RFC? Ken Arromdee 20:41, 5 September 2006 (UTC)
For a quick link, the RFC is located here (comment there). - Royalguard11( Talk)( Desk) 00:54, 10 September 2006 (UTC)
{{ Acolytes}} {{ Avengers members}} {{ Brotherhood members}} {{ Excalibur members}} {{ Exiles}} {{ Flight members}} {{ Gene nation members}} {{ Generation x members}} {{ Hellfire Club members}} {{ Hellions}} {{ Heroes for Hire}} {{ Morlocks}} {{ Mutant liberation front}} {{ Newmutants}} {{ Nextwave members}} {{ X-Factor members}} {{ Thunderbolts members}} {{ X-Men members}}
Augh. We're starting to see navboxes detailing the membership of every single team ever formed. This lump is from Magneto (comics), but it's creeping into other articles, too. Should something be done about this? - A Man In Bl♟ck ( conspire | past ops) 05:54, 6 September 2006 (UTC)
I like them too. Actually if we could mix that technology with a superherobox (to use only for some special cases, of course), it'd be a great thing. -- The Judge 17:15, 6 September 2006 (UTC)
I just found the rest of these. New ones keep appearing. (see above) This absurd. I don't think these are worth the space they take up. Templates should be kept to a minimum in articles. This includes infoboxes, successionboxes, and navboxes. -- Chris Griswold ( ☎ ☓) 02:54, 7 September 2006 (UTC)
Wow, I thought someone was going to I think I'm an asshole for adding all those navboxes above. And then I took a look at the new bottom of the Professor X article: four of those things stacked atop one another. I think it's time to renew the navbox discussion. -- Chris Griswold ( ☎ ☓) 06:52, 7 September 2006 (UTC)
Augh, these hurt my brain. Why does the Tbolts template list every single villain they've detained in a recent storyline? - A Man In Bl♟ck ( conspire | past ops) 21:21, 7 September 2006 (UTC)
We're also seeing "Current status" rear its ugly head again in some of these templates; many of them italicize "current members". - A Man In Bl♟ck ( conspire | past ops) 21:27, 7 September 2006 (UTC)
They just keep multiplying. We have one for Nextwave now. Is there anyone here who thinks that these templates are a good idea? Does anyone have any ideas what to do with them? - A Man In Bl♟ck ( conspire | past ops) 23:27, 9 September 2006 (UTC)
I just created
Category:Fictional characters who can fly to replace the list that someone had started (accidentally, apparently) at
Fictional characters who can fly. After creating it, I realized it'd been deleted a few months ago. However, it seems to have been deleted for being potentially too big, which I don't think is a very strong reason. There are better ways to deal with big categories than deleting them, and flight is the last really common superpower to not have a category.
On a tangent, can anyone think of a better name for
Category:Fictional lygokineticists? I have no idea what a lygo is. -
HKMarks 04:50, 7 September 2006 (UTC)
And I googled the word lygokineticist. The word ain't out there. It looks like a neologism in violation of Wikipedia policy. Uses of the related term lygokinesis appear to pull the word from Wikipedia, again a problem. Doczilla 05:19, 7 September 2006 (UTC)
Oh, come on! It's ovious it implies "fictional human-like characters who can fly". And it'd be useful.-- The Judge 06:58, 7 September 2006 (UTC)
I've started a discussion on the -kinesis stuff at Talk:List of comic book superpowers#Neologisms. - HKMarks 23:24, 8 September 2006 (UTC)
I would like to start adding more detailed information to The Punisher (1987 series) but I don't know what the consensus is on how to do it. Are there any good examples? - Peregrinefisher 06:43, 7 September 2006 (UTC)
Maybe It could use some table to make it look good.-- The Judge 06:54, 7 September 2006 (UTC)
I urge everyone to acquaint themselves with the WP:CMC editorial guidelines, as well as the associated talk page. I proposed a number of new guidelines and would like some help in shaping them before they are included on the guideline page. -- Chris Griswold ( ☎ ☓) 07:38, 7 September 2006 (UTC)
I would kind of like to see the superherobox and supersupportingbox (and maybe others, I don't know what all of them are) combined:
Just a thought - HKMarks 19:39, 9 September 2006 (UTC)
I can teach you to do that. That's why I feel so secure about the infoboxes, because I (we) can modify them until perfection.-- The Judge 20:33, 9 September 2006 (UTC)
I'm still wondering about this. Is anyone interested? - HKMarks 02:46, 16 September 2006 (UTC)
I could combine the two templates, no sweat, if that would help. - A Man In Bl♟ck ( conspire | past ops) 05:46, 16 September 2006 (UTC)
I'm going to bring this up, along with some other template monkeying, at Template talk:superherobox#Redesign time!. I'll bring up a SSB merge, disabling status and relatives for good, merging affiliations, and some design changes. - A Man In Bl♟ck ( conspire | past ops) 05:59, 16 September 2006 (UTC)
Please take a look at Feedback (Matthew Atherton), a recent article about the wining character from Who Wants to be a Superhero?. Any references anyone can provide for this article are appreciated; currently, there is a lot of unreferenced info about a character who has not yet seen print. Oh, and I want to make clear that I am not bashing in any way the work editors have done on the article; I just know that some people from outside comics readership will be interested in the article, and if it's to be popular, I'd like it to also be as good as it can be. -- Chris Griswold ( ☎ ☓) 17:08, 8 September 2006 (UTC)
From what understand those tie together, Superhero teams. I get that several people don't like it, but is there like a rule those are breaking? I say that for the sake of understanding the rules.-- The Judge 05:08, 10 September 2006 (UTC). I mean, I see those as handy. Let's say you're reading about Vision, the probable next thing a reader would read is another avenger or an enemy of the avengers. And the thing only cupy a line in the computers, how much better can it get? Is there a better infobox?-- The Judge 05:14, 10 September 2006 (UTC)
Well my whole point is that if everyone feels so sure about that, It should be written down in the project as a rule, or at least as something that is recomended to follow. Consensus is too relative. If we don't want people feeling all frustrated when they find out they threw hours of well intended work to the garbage can. I know it because I've been there. You know, let's get over with this get some votation done and leave no further space for doubts by writing down the conclutions in the project as a guide to newcomers.
This discusion ha been done over and over, by writing it down in the project conflics like the past one would be substancially reduced.-- The Judge 09:10, 10 September 2006 (UTC)
For one, they're navboxes, not infoboxes.
They clutter pages, they look awful, the hide code screws up some browsers, many of these teams have less thana dozen members ever, they frequently have duplicate information, nearly every character who has headlined a book and many who haven't have been on two different teams, some teams are so massive (Avengers, X-Men, JLA) that their templates are nearly unworkable, some of these templates include many redlinks and non-links and repeated links, some of these templates include characters who were a member for an issue or two tops, some of these teams aren't so big that they need a template (Tbolts and Nextwave), and the redundant linking fucks up Special:Whatlinkshere.
And those are the minor issues. The major issue is that we already have a category or a list (sometimes both!) for each and every one of these teams, so there's no need to put an ugly, redundant, unnecessary list in every single character article. - A Man In Bl♟ck ( conspire | past ops) 02:54, 11 September 2006 (UTC)
Also, for "history" purposes is the main reason I put in characters how have had as much exposure as I have in the US... practically nothing. An example would be Nuwa and Selby of the Mutant Liberation Front. They both have only appeared in one issue as a member and with Decimation going about are most likely to disappear into oblivion... HOWEVER, they are still classed as a member of said team. Granted I did do a lot of the so-called "damage" but I still like them. And like I said earlier, their has to be a way to integrate them somehow. I know the wikipedia isn't stupid... i've seen some smart things done on this site. And I still reckon that the navboxes are useful regardless if they crash some peoples browsers. Haven't had the problem personally and i use the wiki at work, home, on my laptop, in the public library, at internet cafes and still no evil crashing navboxes. Evermore
If there were only one navbox per article, I'd be all for it. Since there is no fair way to limit the number for multi-team characters, the only other course of action is to remove all of them. Sorry dude, I like the idea but not the implementation. CovenantD 05:33, 11 September 2006 (UTC)
Thing is, I like these navboxes. Heck, I made the Avengers one, but they are getting out of hand. I mean, we really don't need one for the MLF or Nextwave, but I still think that really big teams like the X-Men and Avengers can benefit from them. They hardly take up space and are a quick and easy guide. There needs to be a way to limit them however, but I have no idea of how to do that without going into POV territory. Kusonaga 08:06, 11 September 2006 (UTC)
I think that we should keep some of the that are promanent like the Xmen(after it is uncluttered), Avengers, FF, JLA ect. Teams that have played a BIG role and have appeared frequently and with great effect should appear.Cnriaczoy42 12:46, 11 September 2006 (UTC)
I agree with the general consensus that something needs to be done. I enjoy the navboxes and have learned from them, but teams with less than a dozen members shouldn't have one. The idea of just putting it on the team page is interesting, but doesn't seem exactly fruitful to me since the herobox should include all the members already. My one big complaint, which I think Originalsinner fixed in his boxes, is further classification. People who are just associates of a team (for example, Pulse) should be listed as an associate. If this is further divided, then it would leave the editor open to adding other influencial characters who maybe weren't ON the team (like Moira MacTaggert, who played a huge role in the lives of the X-Men but was never on the team, Charlotte Jones, Evangeline Whedon, etc). Maybe for the smaller sister teams, the navbox can be replaced by a simple "see also" place which would redirect the reader to other prevalent articles including that team page if they missed it in the herobox. Tullyman 17:36, 11 September 2006 (UTC)
The Avengers and X-Men and JLA templates would still be a problem. These are teams that have had dozens of members, and there's no way to make the template something other than a huge lump of unexplicated links. - A Man In Bl♟ck ( conspire | past ops) 22:06, 11 September 2006 (UTC)
At the moment the category seems limited to characters known primarily for their speed. Its parrallel categories, like for super strength, flight and telekinesis aren't limited to characters who possess solely those powers. Should various Kryptonians and Captain Marvel Family members be added, or would those additions be reverted?~ Zythe Talk to me! 18:13, 10 September 2006 (UTC)
I've created
Category:Fictional characters by secret identity and need help populating it. If a characters name is a redirect page use {{
r from secret identity|last, first}}
. Thanks!
Dread Lord CyberSkull
✎☠ 12:01, 11 September 2006 (UTC)
I'm thinking of deleting relatives info and the status in the superherobox or any others. Thoughts? Brian Boru is awesome 23:52, 11 September 2006 (UTC)
Well, relatives has been invisible for quite a while now so it won't be missed. CovenantD 00:18, 12 September 2006 (UTC)
Personally, I like the "grouping of nouns" navboxes. Though I think they should be much more "to the point".
Let's use this as an example:
{{ The Batman}}
This nav box could be broken down into separate ones. Obvious splits are:
{{ Batmanmovies}}
All that said, another option is to not list examples, but just to the source lists or articles.
Cut the navboxes down to size, and don't mass use them on every article, and I would presume they should be fine. - jc37 04:42, 12 September 2006 (UTC)
I'd like some feedback on what I've done so far. -- Scottandrewhutchins 02:13, 13 September 2006 (UTC)
Here's a possible solution to both problems:
Issue | Title | Writer | Pencils | Host(s) | Notes | |
---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
#1 | July-Aug 1972 | |||||
Introduction | Marv Wolfman | Bernie Wrightson | Destiny | |||
Horoscope Phenomenon or Witch Queen of Ancient Sumeria? | Jack Kirby | Jack Kirby | Dr. E. Leopold Maas | originally written for Spirit World #2 | ||
The Brothers Beaumont! | Howard Purcell | Howard Purcell | Destiny | Destiny illustration by E. Nelson Bridwell | ||
Special Delivery, based upon notes compiled from research done in conjunction with Dr. E. Leopold Maas | Mark Evanier, Steve Sherman | none | Dr. E. Leopold Maas | |||
#2 | Sep-Oct 1972 | |||||
Toxl the World Killer! | Jack Kirby | Jack Kirby | Dr E. Leopold Maas and Destiny | originally written for Spirit World #2 | ||
Titanic | Howard Purcell | Howard Purcell | Destiny and Death | cover by Howard Purcell | ||
They're Still Up There! | - | - | none |
There are several issues which I think need to be discussed/clarified.
- jc37 03:34, 13 September 2006 (UTC)
In examining OriginalSinner's recent {{ alternateearth}} template, I found a number of articles detailing "Earths" depicted in Marvel Comics storylines ( Earth-2122, Earth-120185, Earth-712, Earth-98125, Earth-1121). These should be deleted/merged into the appropriate storyline or universe-related article. Additionally, we need to discuss whether such a topic warrants it own article. I can't think of a single alternate Earth that deserves its own article. -- Chris Griswold ( ☎ ☓) 21:08, 13 September 2006 (UTC)
1) Maria Hill is not a villain. I've removed that category from her article twice now.
2) All the Milligan X-Forcers who were killed off in the first issue have their own article. Seeing as how they only appeared in one issue (with the exception of Zeitgeist, appearing later in flashbacks, but he's still pretty minor), do they really need their own articles? --
DrBat 22:20, 13 September 2006 (UTC)
Why not--if the entries are small enough--combine them into the X-Statix page? I'm sure some people worked hard on their articles (I'm just speculating since I haven't looked at them) and wouldn't appreciate losing that. Are you only talking about the first wave of X-Force (with Battering Ram, La Nuit, Gin Genie, etc)? Tullyman 00:09, 14 September 2006 (UTC)
Hello all. I just wanted to bring up some discussion on the Category:Marvel Comics characters with super strength. I think that there need to be more stringent criteria for who should populate this list. By the title, I inferred (as I'm sure other readers did) that the main people in this category would have superhuman strength as one of their primary or secondary mutations/abilities. I think that people such as Wolfsbane, Lady Deathstrike and TOAD!!! should be removed. Characters who have heightened strength due to some animalistic mutation or cybernetic adjustment shouldn't be on the list. Someone tried to put it on Feral but I removed it from that one... Let me know what you think. Tullyman 00:42, 14 September 2006 (UTC)
Agreed. Heightened strength is not superstrength. We need objective criteria, though. Stronger than any recorded real person? Doczilla 02:25, 14 September 2006 (UTC)
I've listed the superteam member-list templates (all that I could find) for deletion. You all are invited to comment on the discussion at Wikipedia:Templates for deletion/Log/2006 September 14#Superteam member templates (multiple). - HKMarks 00:48, 14 September 2006 (UTC)
Let's make guidlines for comic series. My ideas;
A template would help people conform. Examples would be the best way to show how to create comic series pages.
I'm seeing a lot of pages that look like The Punisher: Purgatory. We need to be proactive and decide what the next step should be. - Peregrinefisher 05:39, 14 September 2006 (UTC)
- HKMarks 06:07, 14 September 2006 (UTC)
I would like your help with one issue I can't seem to fix with this template I'm creating: it creates a white space of a few lines at the top of the article (or wherever you put the box of course). If you compare King Ottokar's Sceptre (the old box, no white space) with User talk:Fram/Sandbox (the new template, with white space), you'll see what I mean. You can use that last page to test it as well, if you like. I would be very grateful, as I've put quite some time in that template and think it would be useful, but I just can't get that last bit to work correctly, which is frsutrating. Thank you very much! Fram 08:23, 14 September 2006 (UTC)
Template:Superteam member templates (multiple) has been nominated for deletion. You are invited to comment on the discussion at the template's entry on the Templates for Deletion page. Thank you.
Specifically, I notice that there is a lively two-sided discussion here, while the TfD page seems to run 100% Delete, therefore inspiring my attempt at due notice -- Roninbk 09:36, 14 September 2006 (UTC)
Category:Daredevil television series and Category:Blade video games and Category:The Punisher video games are up for CFD now. Daredevil has never had a series of his own, just cameo roles. Blade has appeared in one game as of now (and will be one of many to be in the upcoming Marvel Ultimate Alliance game). The same thing applies for Punisher, except he has been in two games. RobJ1981 18:15, 14 September 2006 (UTC)
Based on recent discussions, I have proposed a new guidline concerning navboxes for WikiProject Comics. Please take a look at it and help me make it represent the concensus of the WikiProject. -- Chris Griswold ( ☎ ☓) 19:37, 14 September 2006 (UTC)
I'm thinking of going through Amalgam pages and just putting redirects to List of Amalgam Comics characters] on pages that have characters that only appeared once and for lesser characters. I personally think this is the right thing to do. Lesser characters and one time characters don't need pages of their own. The list page can easily describe the character in a few sentences (I don't see why some Amalgam articles are so long, when at most..some characters in Amalgam appeared maybe a handful number of times). Anyone that knows alot about Amalgam can help me out. Also: any Amalgam character that was just mentioned in a comic, doesn't need a page. I remember in the Amalgam comics letter pages, there was several references to characters that never actually appeared in the comics. Red Vision is a good example of that. Useless characters like Red Vision don't even need to be mentioned on the list, in my opinion. RobJ1981 21:09, 14 September 2006 (UTC)
Would it be... "proper," I guess is the term, to include a note on the DC & Marvel characters pages about their Amalgam counterparts/hybrids? -- Dr Archeville 03:19, 15 September 2006 (UTC)
List of locations of the DC Universe reads almost like a todo list of articles that need to be cleaned up, merged, and/or presented from a real-world perspective. Check out Amertek, for instance. -- Chris Griswold ( ☎ ☓) 04:06, 15 September 2006 (UTC)
It seems a bit long to me. Take a look if you have the chance. The information seems to be fine (from what I've read at least), so that's not the problem. Would a split into other pages be reasonable somehow? From the looks of it, there is only 2 major things for Doom Patrol on Wikipedia: the main page and a category for all the character pages. Either a page of the different rosters, or some other page is certainly needed. RobJ1981 06:48, 15 September 2006 (UTC)
I was thinking about starting a catagory called something like "Created by Chris Claremont" or "Fictional characters created by Chris Claremont" (b/c I think it's amazing how many places he's had his hands in over the years and how many monumental characters he thought up. If I were to do such a thing, would it be deleted? I don't want to spend hours of work on this to have it be deleted. Feedback much appreciated. Tullyman 18:03, 15 September 2006 (UTC)
Template:Graphicnovelbox ( | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
Tintin: King Ottokar's Sceptre (Le sceptre d'Ottokar) | |
---|---|
Date | 1939 |
Series | The Adventures of Tintin (Les aventures de Tintin) |
Publisher | Casterman |
Creative team | |
Writers | Hergé |
Artists | Hergé |
Original publication | |
Published in | Le Petit Vingtième |
Date of publication | August 4 1938 - August 10, 1939 |
Language | French |
Translation | |
Publisher | Methuen |
Everyone, meet {{ Graphicnovelbox}}, a template Fram ( talk · contribs) and I cooked up last night, since a template was needed for European-style comic books (comic collections, not ongoing series/publications). It turns out that this template, based partially on {{ Supercbbox}} with a little of the more-mundane book templates thrown in, will (IMO) perfect for both the Asterix and Tintin collections that have a variety of inconsistent templates, as well as the American miniseries and graphic novels (e.g. Watchmen, DKR, etc.) that are crammed, somewhat ill-fitting, into Supercbbox.
This template has a TON of features for translated comics (handling alternate titles, a whole section for translation credits), which, if everyone likes them, I can add to Supercbbox, but they all disappear if you're not using them.
Any thoughts? Qualms? Ideas? Complaints? It's pretty well documented on its talk page. - A Man In Bl♟ck ( conspire | past ops) 01:40, 16 September 2006 (UTC)
Can anyone here understand Equipment of the Batmobile?-- Chris Griswold ( ☎ ☓) 05:54, 16 September 2006 (UTC)
Can someone please update the collab as a matter of urgency, as it is half a month overdue. -- Jamdav86 13:02, 16 September 2006 (UTC)
Can someone make me a "suporting team" box using Supersupportingbox as a template? -- Basique 16:09, 16 September 2006 (UTC)
I'm currently revamping the Xorn article and I'm wondering: how much should other articles acknowledge the real-world mess the character has become? To me, the Xorn, Magneto (comics), and Planet X (comics) should definitely acknowledge this, but should other articles that reference the character still refer to events during New X-men as the actions of a "Magneto imposter" or other such phrases that utilize the current Marvel explanation of the situation? WesleyDodds 21:57, 16 September 2006 (UTC)
Jamdav86 and I are having a fairly minor argument about how to order the items on {{ Marvel Comics films}} (he thinks it should be done alphabetically, while I think it should be done via the weight of the franchise and release date). Could people weigh in at Template talk:Marvel Comics films#Template overhaul? Thanks! EVula 19:33, 17 September 2006 (UTC)
(I mis-placed this at a different talk page)
Though I tend to edit, organize, and clean up "all over". I tend to focus on lists, categories, grammar, and dealing with
WP:OR. (Did I mention that I like to organise? : )
Please feel free to drop off requests on my
requests talk page. -
jc37 18:02, 16 September 2006 (UTC)
For the past few months, here and there, I've worked not only to improve articles but also to make editing comics-related articles better, doing things like drafting guidelines and creating and categorizing templates, and I'm not the only one. There are a number of editors here who are really dedicated to cleaning up articles, and for these editors, I've started Wikipedia:WikiProject Comics Cleanup. If you're interested, go and sign up. I've noticed that when an article gets a major makeover, it stays relatively clean for quite a while. The gist of the new project is that every so often we pick an article or a group of articles and then edit them as a group to get them into shape, copy editing, condensing summaries where needed, finding sources, that sort of thing. We can also make requests for comment and even try for Good status. This is similar to already existing comics collab, but we have a lot more articles near to being Good status than to Feature, and we have many more that could use a good scrubbing. Additionally, I will be starting a list of good, reliable sources that we can draw from - this is not to limit editors but to point out good, interesting sources like [ "Comic Book Urban Legends Revealed". Wikipedia:WikiProject Comics Cleanup is not at all to detract from this WikiProject, but to supplement it, to focus editors on specific tasks and provide support for each other. I've seen some great articles come together out of everyday infoslop articles when editors agree to work together on an article and make it great. Come lend your efforts. -- Chris Griswold ( ☎ ☓) 23:51, 17 September 2006 (UTC)